💨・speedrunning

[graceful garden]

Now you know what i most go through

Maby get a bit more experience before coming to spedruns

[buoyant granite]

this clip came from a very late game save file, weapons and spells are lvl 19 so this is very deep into post game, not something youd come across in an any% speedrun

[opaque palm]

alright

[buoyant granite]

also regarding getting destroyed, if you're doing any% runs then thats gonna come down to learning boss movement and attack patterns more as well as what how much extra hitboxes are away from their models (a lot of the time you will find yourself getting hit and think you are nowhere near the enemy lmao)

in order to keep good weapon scaling without having to get higher level weapons we typically aim to get golden fleece unlocked asap, as it provides extra damage percent per enemy killed but it resets when you take damage AND you also take double damage so it is risk/reward for it

[opaque palm]

once your good enouigh im guessing that taking damage isnt that much of a problem

[buoyant granite]

the optimal speedrun is very much a "risk it for the biscuit" type scenario, where playing more aggro into enemies, mini bosses and bishops will get you better times and help scale golden fleece quicker but any wrong move can set you so far back tho

[buoyant granite]

when it comes to bosses it will ruin anyones run no matter how good you are if you get hit in them

[opaque palm]

yeah

[buoyant granite]

like you could go from potentially 1-2 hitting a boss completely if youve got like 400% on golden fleece buff and down to 0% after a hit which will then take way more time

[opaque palm]

wth

[buoyant granite]

id defs suggest watch some runs if you havent already to get a feel for how a full run plays out, the first 15-20 mins of the run (up to and just after beating leshy) is pretty heavily filled with most of the standardised tricks, skips and glitches that we use for the run, and from then on it really just turns into pure RNG and min-maxxing your potential route on the fly as you go

[opaque palm]

I literally bought the game 2 days ago so im js tryna kill the bishops and get a understanding of the game

and im tryna learn like what todo

[buoyant granite]

also yeah i forgot to mention - depending on the subcatagory of any%, a lot of runs are downpatched to version 1.0.11 because that was the last patch that golden fleece had uncapped scaling of its damage buff, whilst being at 10% gained per kill, since then it went through a few revisions and now is at 5% per kill

[buoyant granite]

oh wow yeah jeez id 100% suggest just enjoy the game if you're still that early into it haha

[opaque palm]

im js tryna figure out what to do cuz i playing w my friend on remote steamplay

so

[buoyant granite]

ooooohhh yeah ok nice!

tbf 2P catagories of speedruns is still very much uncharted territory for all of us haha, not sure if any 2P run has even been properly attempted yet lmao

let alone routed

[austere lark]

@opaque palm if you want to learn to run cotl, start iwth leshy% (from fresh file to killing leshy)

you get used to dodging

and basic fast movement

along with attack chaining

then you start moving to any%

then any other category

[opaque palm]

k thx

[keen sigil]

use the any% routing and glitch guide if you havent already

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jK-HHcYi41ytsTqaSXqmckhduLw3rcoxjzLqogG02I0/edit#heading=h.gjdgxs

[graceful garden]

@austere lark 1v1 me knucklebones

[astral dawn]

I've never gotten the crown cutscene skip to work. was that patched?

[graceful garden]

I never new i was always this unawear of bugs

[buoyant granite]

What platform are you playing on? And also what patch are you playing on?

[astral dawn]

steam (pc) and latest

[buoyant granite]

hmm yeah ok

lemme check rq

huh yeah ur right i cant get it to work either

i do remember hearing something about them patching it at some point but i couldnt remember if they made a keybind to skip it natively in game or not

you can always run quick start mode/pentinence mode to skip the entire tutorial bit completely

[astral dawn]

yeah but then I'm on a different category at that point

which i do plan to do at some point cuz i think i could get wr fairly easily on easy quick start

[buoyant granite]

yeah quick start/pentinence wasnt around when the initial speedrun hype for the game happened on launch, so thats why majority of the runs are under any% unrestricted

the other good thing about quick start/pentinence compared to downpatched unrestricted is that 1.0.11 was still super buggy and is renowned for softlocking speedrunners if you dont know what to look out for and avoid lmao

(can say ive had my fair share of lost runs to them in the past hahaha)

but it eventually becomes part of the fun trying to avoid them if you wanna pursue running that catagory

[austere lark]

I was sleepin lil dude

And i just woke up

[austere lark]

Also just came to the realization

If we do anythin goes for neo, we need to allow infinite health to be turned off for one death (similar situation as the coop addition for progress)

[graceful garden]

Uhm no thats not tru look at the requirements+ itz not unrestricted

Now 1v1 me knucklebones pls

[austere lark]

aight bet

[austere lark]

yo

i have a really fuckin bad feeling and im hopin its cus my gmae was created preupdate

nvm

it was already unlokced

i hate this game on so many levels

1. the follower room skip, not possible in darkwoods
2. another ? node, WAS A FUCKIN BOSS

[austere lark]

I need to test the follower room exploit in anchordeep and silk crafle still

[graceful garden]

So it might only work in anura if thats treu its usless becouse back their youre taking every follower you can get

[astral dawn]

i think I've done it in anchordeep

[graceful garden]

You think i need video proof im sceptical

[graceful garden]

It might not work after you kill narinder/usless to geoted super neo

[austere lark]

That clip i had was in a super neo file

At 95% completion

[astral dawn]

yeah where are you getting these assumptions from my guy

[graceful garden]

Well try anure pre endgame then

[austere lark]

Anura has only one follower node type

But the room in DW had the exit locked

You can see the exit in anura was unlocked

Now if its different in pre credits or not idk

And im too lazy to go to my pc and check rn

Cus im wiatin for tome to pass

[sharp whale]

Is early Midas still doable in the current version?

Or opening shamuras door with 7 followers

Otherwise what is the new strat for getting golden fleece

[austere lark]

Nope

[austere lark]

Same strat its always been, find mushroom guys and kill them, go to mushroom grotto at night talk to sozo and fox, go to pilgrims in the same night talk to fox and fisherman

[sharp whale]

I see, how does one downpatch to 1.0.11 to do so?

[austere lark]

check pinned

[sharp whale]

should i back up my save before downpatching

[modest stratus]

I think you should be fine.

With down patches (if I'm correct), the save is local.

doesn't hurt to back up in case though.

[buoyant granite]

I always back up just in case, I've had cases where taking a save between older patches and current patches multiple times sometimes messes things up when a file has progression built in that doesn't exist in a previous version, I've had dlc progress reset because of this a couple of times but usually it's fine tho

[sharp whale]

any tips for getting early midas? i can't seem to get it fast enough

[sharp whale]

nvm i got it

[buoyant granite]

If you're talking about the map teleport glitch then yeah it's pretty much just fine tuning the point of your cursor and moving it slightly back and forth to "grab" the warp point underneath the clouds as the map loads in

If you're talking about the talisman dupe within Midas well that's a whole different beast lmao

Idk if anyone ever found a consistent way to get all 3 dupes (in hundreds of attempts I've only managed to get all 3 like twice lol)

[timber fox]

There is a no clip glitch for 2p

It only works for bishops tho

[buoyant granite]

But essentially you just wanna lower your framerate to 30fps, and then in the animation of the lamb about to walk away to go back to the Midas menu, you quickly try to roll up into the little cave/platform thing, mash interact with whatever you can and pray to the almighty lamb that you are bestowed with lots of luck haha

[buoyant granite]

Yeah no it was patched out a while ago

[timber fox]

It still works

I did it yesterday

[buoyant granite]

Wait what

[timber fox]

It does still work

wait

[buoyant granite]

Tp glitch to early Midas before beating leshy?

[timber fox]

See

This was sent 2 days ago

#🎥・screenshots-vids message

[buoyant granite]

Nah that's not the glitch I'm talking about

1 sec lemme find an example

https://youtu.be/pqf4xuJavs0?si=upnS90-SCSuHRVof

Check around 19:40

This was on 1.0.11 patch too, I can't remember exactly when this glitch was patched out, I wanna say in one of the first dlcs tho

[buoyant granite]

Also yeah this I haven't personally done (deliberately at least lmao, it's probs accidentally been the reason for one of my many softlocks across the years haha)

[timber fox]

If one of the two noclips then goes to the exit

Walk into the exit and then up

Then you get the Heretics Defeated message

[buoyant granite]

wheres the actual clip point in the map?

and can you just do it yourself or do you have to be pushed out by an enemy/enemy attack?

[sharp whale]

How do you skip the interlude text? Like after you start the game where Clauneck is talking

[buoyant granite]

I'm pretty sure it's just press escape and it'll skip all those dialogue

[sharp whale]

Escape, okay. I couldn't figure out what button it was

[austere lark]

finally get the last talisman piece
close the game cus i accidentally rolled agian and got a follower gift
reopen thinking talisman autosaved
IT DID NOT

10 more sins to go

hey guys, has anyone found a poop in the temple before?

ill send ss in a sec

[austere lark]

SATAN?!

AY COME BACK HERE FOOL

WHERES MY BRIMSTONE AT

[tawdry agate]

Let’s do a deal

[austere lark]

MF ITS BEEN 96 RUNS

[tawdry agate]

I did

[austere lark]

WHERE IS IT

[tawdry agate]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-cult-of-gif-26610385

[austere lark]

Explain

[austere lark]

NAH FUCK THIS I WHIP OUT CHAOS CARD

[tawdry agate]

You give me 3 read heart containers and you will get your brimstone

[austere lark]

Aight bet (im playing the lost)

[tawdry agate]

Good luck

[austere lark]

Ok what are rocks gonna do, against the lost

[fossil prairie]

It is done

[robust verge]

nice, i got that one a while ago

And by a while i mean a week ago

good job

you 100 percented it. Congrats!!

[fossil prairie]

Thx sib, appreciated!

[austere lark]

Yo anyone got an extra controller?

If ya do can ya check and see if both lamb and goat can fish at the same time?

[sullen whale]

they always do, if you are playing multi'

[austere lark]

Aight cool

[austere lark]

USING BERS FLEECE GOT HEALTH

[sullen whale]

its possible

[austere lark]

it did get removed next node

[sullen whale]

they also dissapear if you get hit with inf hp

[austere lark]

that was a purgatory run

where i took no damage

coolest shit ever

i think im ready for tomorrow

[sullen whale]

nice

[terse ruin]

.

[austere lark]

to the new lads here

neo starts in 7 mins

i swear this shit feels like preparing for a helldive

[austere lark]

leshy down

[austere lark]

heket down

even made her not leave the arena for half the fight

13 followers saved

[austere lark]

Yo someone remind me, the golden fleece is obtained by

Mushroom
Give fish to death
Give follower to death
Fish once and give to fisherman right?

Cus my ass is alrwady cooked

Got two follower forms from fishing

In one fish

[austere lark]

31%

and im 4 hours in

[austere lark]

shamura dead

toww is next

[austere lark]

Not bad progresswise

5 hours and got sin building up

[austere lark]

bugged?

[austere lark]

nvm

skipped relic obtained animation

for both

[austere lark]

bad news

lost track of when breaks were

[austere lark]

so

i havent found a folloewr shop yet

[austere lark]

by 10:20 i had 67%

[austere lark]

follower shop visits 2/3
fire bug npc - non existent
lore tablets - 6/10
lore notes - 2/5
temple - 4/10

[austere lark]

Whoever wante to take the neo

Go ahead

Due to external forces that refuse to listen to reason im being forced to quit playing this game

Good game guys

Its been nice knowing ya

For now

Maybe ill return when i get more privacy, maybe i wont

But for once, cya

[keen sigil]

which neo did you try?

oh

they left

neo sounds funsies

i was planning on it, got it mostly routed, then college started and i got other stuff to do, probably within a month or so ill try my run, i dont think itll be impossible tbh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-crying-kitten-crying-05starrynight-gif-10141647709992578610

[buoyant granite]

wait no way iron actually left

a true warrior of neo

gone but never forgotten

[graceful garden]

Hell be remembered forever in me

[livid basin]

The GOATED with all accessability settings

He wants distance from the game and running neo is a herculian task

[graceful garden]

Indeed

Im sage

[clear oasis]

What’s neo?

[livid basin]

100% category with newer content

[woeful raptor]

[distant dome]

Hey guys. Is the speedrun guide old on speedrun.com? Is it still accurte and has everything that the top runners did in their runs?

Also I have another qustion. I saw no one sent a submissions to the newest patch. Do people just not do the recent patch and do older ones?

[livid basin]

The core stuff hasn't changed that much. NMG is ran with newer patches

[distant dome]

What does NMG mean? I'm new with speed running stuff. And thank you for telling me the other thing

[livid basin]

No major glitches. There were some sequence skips in first versions of the game and NMG bans those.

Sequence break is getting to a place or unlocking something before being possible on normal play, like opening door to the spider area with 7 followers

[distant dome]

OOO, Alright, So I wanted to do Any%? Does the Updated Guide To Speedrunning work with that one spefficaly

[livid basin]

It should

It should have any% and NMG routes

[distant dome]

HURRAYY! nice. I'ma run the newest patch and try to beat the world record 👍 Wish me luck.

Thank You so much

your a LIFE safer!!!

[livid basin]

GL HF! Use the NMG route for any%, since most of the discovered glitches in like 1.11.0 were patched off

[tawdry agate]

Good luck 🍀

[distant dome]

Sorry to distrube anyone again. But I tried to do this. But It didn't work? I could be doing it wrong tho. Is this patched out?

[livid basin]

Patched out in like 1.2. or so

or was it 1.1.16

[distant dome]

aww man. THANKS again though 👍

[distant dome]

Are the patches seprated? like if I ran the most recent patch and got the WR It doesn't have to compete against the previous patches WR?

[livid basin]

They are not, but routes are like any% and NMG (which has the same endgoal as any%)

Patches are displayed in ranges in the boards

[distant dome]

Hm, do you think it's still possible to get a world record in Unrestricted, or NMG since alot of the glitches in the guide seem to be patched out? Assuming I didn't find any other new glitches.

[livid basin]

Both are very competitive, but RNG plays role in both. With newer patches both are possible, but NMG has a better shot at it.

Any% has a better golden fleece and sequence breaks which speedup the game significally

Less fights = Faster, so pick routes and nodes with less full floors if possible

[distant dome]

O, well yeah I guess that makes sense. Where would I find the sequence breaks for the newer patches?

[livid basin]

There is possibly only one very minor, where you might get a virtual follower from the temple by triggering a cutscene fast enough to be able to open Anura door with 6 followers

[distant dome]

Is it hard to do? and how much time does it save?

[livid basin]

Reproduction is currently not known well, because it has not been investigated that much. It has something to do NPCs leaving the temple and spawning/despawning them. New entities are created in new area. And consistency is/has been 50/50

in my own experiences last year

[distant dome]

seems unlikely for it to work in a run awwww. Would it even be worth trying every run?

[livid basin]

No, because it would break NMG ruling and push you to any% category, which has more glitches available from older patches. There is a guide to downpatch in the pinned messages

and it is only available once or twice and not too deep into a run, so reset

[distant dome]

😭 THERE WAS A WAY TO DOWNPATCH THIS WHOLE TIME???? I'm so silly, I didn't even think of that. I think I'll just downpatch and attempt to do any% with glitches. Legit ur the best person on earth for telling me this

[livid basin]

If there are some issues with downpatch, just download the downpatched cotent to a folder, download the currect version of the game to another and copypaste the downpatched version to the current one and let the copying override files it wants

[distant dome]

👍 Alright will do. WISH ME LUCK! thank you so much. U legit helped me so much!!

[livid basin]

Happy to help! Gl!

[final turtle]

So i was comming up with some funny builds and i think i do a decent ammount of damage now. Just enugh to be honest.

[ripe bolt]

Not enough

Gotta go for that crash

So you can skip all that boss fight

That way you can saw

“I destroy the realm that why it crashed”

[final turtle]

no i dont wanna use tactics like. I want to only use what the game gives me.

[ripe bolt]

I was just joking btw

Do it in the way you want !!

[humble lynx]

Why don't we have runs categorized by patch? You gain double the benefit from the fleece you use in the run and on console we have no way to downpatch... My PC can't run this game but I'd still like to speedrun It, but it's not very fun knowing from the start I'm handicapped

[terse ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-transparent-gif-10525459801432068094

[buoyant granite]

We have different categories within any% that are respective of different patches

So unrestricted any% is mostly associated with 1.0.11

Quick start/Pentinence any% runs are done on current patch usually

We haven't found much need to differentiate within the smaller patch variants within each category as not much has changed in terms of major speedrun potential

But I do agree we could make it a bit clearer which categories are associated with which patches, cause atm I believe the boards are set up to allow any patch be listed in a run submission for any category

[light bloom]

hello, are runs on the steam deck/linux invalid due to proton?

i would like to start running the game but i don't use windows

[livid basin]

I have nothing against it, unless there are settings to increase speed etc. Though I do not have experience with Proton in that way.

Just follow the usual rules of having a timer etc

[light bloom]

thank you

[humble lynx]

I'd say atleast separate by the major patch of changing the percentage damage increase the fleece gives you, that is double the damage gain of somebody not playing on that version

So it would be 2 sub categories of "pre x.xx patch" and "post x.xx patch"

Because no matter how we look at it it's not fair to people without a PC, and if the main strat being double as effective in a patch no longer accessible to console users (outside of modded consoles) is considered even, I'm very confused

[livid basin]

There are labels which can be used to filter individually if so desired

[humble lynx]

Any patch CAN yes, but why would anyone run on the patch where the main strategy is half as good, maybe in this post x.xx patch there are better more optimized strats but they're overshadowed by the overpowered fleece

And I don't wanna come off as saying it's impossible to compete on current patch, because it's not, but all that extra effort is not worth the reward when the potential of the optimal strat hasn't been fully met yet

[frail cave]

hiiii I had a few questions about GOATED-Super-Neo-100% first of all, it is the most recent update right? also what are "crystal" doctrines?

[livid basin]

Yes.

The alternative doctrines are crystal doctrines. You unlock them with crystal tablets

[frail cave]

ohhhhh i forgot about that mechanic alright

[bright sleet]

Is there a way we could get a few rules changed/ modified for specification.
More or less for the categories for neo/ super neo/goated neo. The three categories have all the same "must haves". I was hoping some distinctions can be put in between the three.

As I'm guessing you wouldn't need any of the "new" 1.4 relics in a NEO run, but definitely do need them in a GOATED run.

I have super brainrot for the game so I can remember what category needs what achievements, but other new/casual Speedrunners may not.

[livid basin]

Those are the 100% categories and those are more or less a checklist what is needed. Those neo+ runs are like 10h+ also, and I have dropped a bit from newer content

[bright sleet]

Ahhh i get ya. Neo runs are my white whale. I keep practicing on them, and then a new update gets pushed out which I LOVE EVERY TIME <3, but then trashes the progress I make. I'm hoping I can get a Goated extra hard video out this year.

[glass swift]

I feel like your copying my name

[frail cave]

our names arent similar at all

[glass swift]

We both have fox

[frail cave]

and

[stiff chasm]

fox is a very common word

[glad canopy]

Can’t believe you copied the o in my name

[spice umbra]

How could you copy the p in my name and turn it upside down

[wary yacht]

Well you and the other guy both stole the Y from MY name

[wary yacht]

This guy

[light hazel]

Hey gang! I'm currently looking into Cult of the Lamb speedrunning and was wondering if there are any video guides to aide in the learning process or if it's just the google doc that's on Speedrun(dot)com

[gleaming topaz]

same

[modest stratus]

Hey! unfortunately we dont have any video tutorials on speedruns, the google doc is your best bet.
we also have these channels for when you're stuck on something.. like skips, tech, etc.

[light hazel]

Gotcha

Thanks!!

[buoyant granite]

Now that I'm wrapping up my last few things for uni this year, one of the things on my long list of things I wanna do over the break is to actually make proper tutorial vids for cotl runs, so hopefully they won't take toooo long to make 😅

I also wanna try and get back into daily runs again, I need to try and get that any% wr back finally lmao

[vast fossil]

hey guys i’m new to speedrunning here and i have a quick question. will mods like pilgrim pack affect the run???

[light hazel]

from what I saw on the speedrun(dot)com page it seems like any and all mods are a no-go but I'm not the expert on the matter as of right now

[vast fossil]

is there a way to disable it cause like i have þe mods not much i can do about it 😭

þe only thing þat is affects is if i get caught in þe dialogue relating to it i’ll automatically get Yarlen so a free person

[stuck orbit]

Hey I've noticed that speedrun routes tend to kill Shamura before Kallamar, why is that?

[whole lance]

not sure about others but I always found shamura easier to kill than kallamar

[stuck orbit]

Wouldn't you want to take out the harder one first because that's more likely to end the run?

[buoyant granite]

There's three main reasons for this:

1. When in Anchordeep or Anura, there are scripted dialogue scenes with all the bishops that are "meant" to be alive (assuming you follow the intended path of Darkwood - Anura - Anchordeep - Silk Cradle). If you kill Shamura first, the game won't activate those dialogue scenes in Anchordeep or Anura because it freaks out when it notices that Shamura is dead already.

2. Weapon unlocks are at scripted points, with the claws/gauntlets (or whatever else you want to call them lmao) being the first to unlock outside of the base weapons given to you in the Darkwood tutorial. As the claws have the best base damage scaling with its 3-hit combo (and also being relatively easy to animation-cancel and chain the 3rd major hit together back-to-back), most runners try to manipulate their potential weapon pool to be as small as possible with the claws available in hopes of getting them to appear more frequently.

3. As Silk Cradle is widely considered to be the most challenging biome with all the insane enemies, traps, crusade room lengths and everything else it can throw at you, most runners prefer to do it first just to get it out of the way early. This means that they both get more practice at the area and also means if they do happen to die, you can reset your run maybe 20-40-mins in rather than potentially at or around the hour mark.

There might be some other things I've forgotten as to why we do Silk Cradle and Shamura first (I haven't attempted a proper run in a good while now lmao) but when I eventually get around to making the tutorial/guide/tips video (whenever that may be haha) I'll try to remember more there

[stuck orbit]

Ooooh ty!!!

[buoyant granite]

Any time :))

[stark dragon]

hi

[vast fossil]

i just did my first full easy nmg speedrun of þe game 💪💪💪

(did it the morning of a calc test. unfortunately i cannot speedrun a good grade)

[signal wolf]

sr.c rules say I have to have "A timer such as Livesplit must be displayed during the entire run." but my macbook is a stupid macbook and cant run any onscreen timers

is there a way around this that anyone knows?

[livid basin]

How do you record? Do you use obs?

[signal wolf]

Yeah

[agile hare]

Hey I have played cult of the lamb for awhile and I love it, I want to start speedrunning 100% ideally and I'm on xbox and got the most recent update what category do I speedrun in

[livid basin]

Any%/NMG would be a good place to start from or bishops%
Just try to find out if you are able to incorporate a timer to your footage

100% category is very time consuming, like 8 to 12 hours

Any% is like 1.5 hours

[livid basin]

^

Any%/NMG ends when you submit to (or slay) the one who waits and bishops when you have slay them all again and get the God of Death fleece from ???

[agile hare]

Ok thank you and its going to be more for me and if i get good ill start recording them and pos5ing them

[livid basin]

Sounds good! GL HF!

[agile hare]

But it is doable on console right

[livid basin]

Yes

Though timer might be a bit more difficult

[agile hare]

Ya but ill figure that out when im recording it

[arctic meteor]

hello can anyone explain the difference between all these categories?

[modest stratus]

Yeah sure, so unrestricted is all major glitches.
NMG is no major glitches
Quick start skips the tutorial section of the game, which is an option when you start
Penitence is another option in the game

[hardy depot]

Augh

[mortal prawn]

Widdiwy took me 2 minuites to beat the whole game 100% everything

[livid basin]

Vid or did not happen

[vast fossil]

y’all how long should it take for a speedrun to get verified

[heady grove]

Beat the game in under 1 minute without even owning and playing the game 🔥

I'm so good

[rotund island]

Cap

[livid basin]

Been sick, so I haven't have motivation to go through the submissions. Sorry

[vast fossil]

no thats fine i was just curious how long it normally takes 😭😭

get better soon verifying runs is probably NOT a priority over getting better 😭

[rancid sonnet]

Should I submit my run in there?

[livid basin]

That is the board to keep track off the times

of course, you can also use #🏆・pb-posting

[frigid badger]

does the rule "Emulation of button presses is forbidden" mean I cant use any outside sources besides the in game setting's key binds to control a character?
bc i wanted to try something with coop, but it requires Steam's controller settings to do so. (Just wanna know if that'd be against the rules.)

[livid basin]

You can't use macros, auto clickers or TAS tools to do button press sequences

You can change your input settings how ever you like

[frigid badger]

would steam's controller setting be considered a macro?

[livid basin]

No

[frigid badger]

kk thanks

[midnight granite]

is there a way to beat the game full 100% in one hour?

the fighting mobs part takes very long

[livid basin]

100% is around 8-12 hour run

So much stuff is time gated

[livid basin]

I actually don't have time to mod. Is anyone interested on taking my mantle on the boards?

[spare marsh]

who's got the current record for fastest second credits roll?

just doing some comparison to my own speedrunning.

[livid basin]

That can be found under Bishops%

Currently Solipsistful holds it with around 3 hours

[spare marsh]

that's impressive my best is just under 10 hours.

[worn quiver]

YOU GUYS

me and my little brother just got the finale boss battle with the one who waits and we got it down in like 6 minutes🙏🏽🙏🏽

[knotty oracle]

kool

[livid basin]

Any thoughts about possibly allowing console versions of the game to not have a timer when submitting runs?

That would make runs on console more accessible

[vast fossil]

what about just editing a timer on top of it later

although i guess it’s just a matter of trust. i say it doesn’t sound too bad but why do you wanna run on console 💀💀💀💀 (i’ve tried it before and got soft locked from a random console glitch before even reaching leshy)

[clear oasis]

Why not console out of interest? I run on console

[livid basin]

Adding timer is a pain in the butt

so I'm asking if we should remove that requirement for console runs only

[tawny geyser]

I beat game within 30 days am i cool?

[livid basin]

Yes

[misty shore]

What are folks most game making item for speedrunning glitchless? I go for as many card anything draws, buys as possible on almost all time outside home. I love that attack speed shiny so much

[livid basin]

Golden fleece, but I run older version when I do

[modest stratus]

<@&353187254874931221>

[versed shuttle]

ty

[modest stratus]

no problemo haha

[swift tapir]

hi I'm looking into running chaoticly long stuff because I love being a massocist and o
curious what the differences between the 100% categorises are? I assume its what dlc releases were in the update range?

[modest stratus]

yep!

[livid basin]

Yeah! It is about the version of the game :)

[swift tapir]

cool I might start making general notes then to help me suffer with doing the 100% on the latest set of patches. I just wanna make sure since I don't see it on the notes the talor unlocks isn't required right?

[livid basin]

Yeah, those are not in the rules atm. Also purgatory is not required

And some of those outfits seem super grindy

Plus the category is already like a 10 hour marathon

[swift tapir]

the biggest thing I'm trying to figure out right now is sin generation since you need 72 for the run

Because doing runs seems inconsistent while at the same time If I were to do rituals I'd want to wait for Silk Cradle to be reopened since it'll cause desenting

[swift tapir]

what I'm hearing is there should be a max% then where you do all the grinding

[swift tapir]

At this point i have came up with a general idea for a route. The big thing im focusing on is geeting the level 10 and 7 follower for the 2 doors aswell as starting sin generaiton early. With the 1.4.6 roulette wheel I need to mostly at this point route out doing as minimum purgatory runs as Possible. Idealy getting the Bishops 1st and 2nd quests inbetween everything. The thing i can see dragging this on is how many days spent in purgatory

[sinful ledge]

Does anyone know a good speedrunning vid and could ya send the link?

[soft minnow]

no sry

[crude yoke]

https://youtu.be/pqf4xuJavs0?si=d1T0UxfXwdLB10bJ

:)

[soft minnow]

on one run beat boss w

[civic quiver]

im running Leshy% and im getting a double split for some reason

I have enter/leaving dw and starting/finishing leshy and first entering dw splits twice

[livid basin]

How have you set up your splitting? Are you using the file or the XML or both?

Sound like you might have two splitters at the same time

[civic quiver]

I think you're right. its weird that the auto splitters in the layout menu and the editor settings are different. I'm working on downpatching so I can actually hit skips but I think thats the answer for my split issue..

[sinful ledge]

Super impressive! Thank you!

[crude yoke]

you bet :)

[sturdy tundra]

Guys do you have any tips for leshy%???

[livid basin]

Go fast vroom vroom. Try choosing paths with least room floors

And don't get stuck on grinding any resources

[untold marsh]

For heket if you go to the side of the entrance they won't hit you if they jump there at the start

[uncut zodiac]

I used dodge and roll a lot for leshy. Try getting a bunch of tarot cards, blue hearts, and a good relic. Bane dagger did just fine for me too. (It poisons enemies) when he does the thing where he lands on your location I recommend running in circles till he stops, then dodge. After he does an attack hit him a few times then run away. (Sorry for late response I barely joined)

[terse ruin]

for people who havespeedrunned cotl, what fleece do you think would work for it?

[buoyant granite]

Golden Fleece has always been the majority of people's favourite, simply for its potential to speed up boss fights a heap (potentially being able to one-shot them lmao)

Some people in the past have preferred other options that fit their playstyle better, but I'm pretty sure most top runs have all used golden fleece ever since the leaderboards opened

It also depends on what category you run

Since the dlcs were added, technically Berserker Fleece has more potential than Golden Fleece just because you get the damage bonus from the start of the run instead of having to build up to it, but since it's a post-game unlock its only really applicable for the various 100% categories

[livid basin]

Berserker has a downside of no hits allowed in this quite clunky game

[narrow snow]

god damn i have been trolled by the server icon twice today. and i see we still get scams in here

[buoyant granite]

omg i totally forgot too lmao, considering its a day later here in aus i always forget i need to be on the lookout for trolls on the 2nd as well haha

[steep hawk]

Finaly did my first 2 runs Marriage % in easy and medium Im really happy

[halcyon folio]

beat narender on the first day from 10am - 6pm ( on easy)

[naive storm]

Good job!

[minor sparrow]

does anyone know if there is a way to finish the gaem extremely quick because i dont want to fight the enemies they take too long to kill , and i accidenally deleted my save

[livid basin]

It is less about enemies and more about cult management. You go fast when you ignore the cult stuff until later. Of course there needs to be some and you need a few high level cultists to open doors in the second half, but rush for the confession booth it boosts levels very quickly

[minor sparrow]

ok thank you

[lavish moon]

[minor sparrow]

Is there any other ways to enter the fights after killing narinder without using cultists because my cultists are only level 3

[wary marsh]

Nope

Get a confessional

[high crater]

Is there any way to record footage on a Steam Deck?

It's the only good device I have for speedrunning anything at all

I also. Figured since I seem to know more abt the game than anyone else has, having more than 1,000+ hours in it, I'd be a good runner

Plus I wanna be the first to attempt THIS:

[stuck orbit]

You're insane, good luck

[livid basin]

There seems to be some recording feature on it, but idk if that can include a timer. A timer is needed for a run to be accepted.

OBS on desktop mode could work. You could directly stream that gameplay to youtube then and avoid using disk space or as a redundancy.

[high crater]

Apparently there's guides to downloading the stuff needed to record, so

But for now practicing while using my iPhone stopwatch

Got killed by Gusion, but is 35 mins into the run on Gusion on extra hard good or meh timing?

[buoyant granite]

I'm assuming this was current patch and you did them in the game intended order?

If so it's kinda hard to say for me at least, I haven't done as much runs on current patch and defs haven't done many runs in intended order to know what a good benchmark time for that would be lmao

But I'd for extra hard mode that sounds pretty solid defs

Was it on quick start mode or just regular?

[high crater]

Yes and yes

[high crater]

Quick start as well

[crisp mirage]

little lamb little lamb 😄

[maiden phoenix]

smol

[regal glade]

Lol

[zealous oasis]

how to i dowload version 1.0.11?

[livid basin]

There is a pinned comment about it. You could also google "download patch from steam depo" or similar

[jolly pike]

not if you have infinite hp in the accessibility settings lol

[livid basin]

In speedrunning context that is not allowed. Or at least there isn't a category for it yet

[hallow kettle]

Hello gang. 👋 I shot a question about this on the SRC forums for CotL but didn't get any response, so figured I'd ask here.

I am very much wanting to do a 100% run on current patch (which I think is the GOATED-Super-Neo category if I'm not mistaken?). The one thing I'm not entirely sure about is how Purgatory factors into getting 100%.

I've done some segmented test runs as practice and have been doing enough of Purgatory to get 100% to display on the title screen - 101% in fact, so looks like I'm doing slightly more than required. The rules on SRC say nothing about Purgatory, so can anyone clarify how much or how little of it is required for a valid run?

[livid basin]

You don't have to do all of the purgatory for 100%. For the longest time the game did not display any percentages.

From the category rules you can find what you need to do

Having purgatory requirement would make an unreasonable run even more unreasonable :D

The 100% category is basically the unlock all category

[hallow kettle]

Gotcha, thank you. My route so far has been doing one run of each fleece in Purgatory and no more - I believe it goes up to 110% if you complete all of it?

[livid basin]

idk, I haven't played with the completion %s enough

[hallow kettle]

Oh, one other question: can 100% be done using Quick Start or does it have to include the tutorial? (I thought I saw a rule about this on SRC, but seems I may have been mistaken)

[livid basin]

You can pick how you start. I can add routes on the fly

[night wolf]

Yeah if you complete all of purgatory and also everything else it goes to 110%

[hushed violet]

<@&1008500065075212418> Anyone around and can tell us if "quick start" is allowed for leaderboard submissions?

I don't seem to see many people running Any% use it. Nor does it say it's not allowed in the rules on speedrun.com.

Is it something that was added later on and therefor can only be used on newer versions?

(we want to use it for co-op Any% NMG)

[rich jay]

There is a quick start leaderboard, so yes you can submit it for the leaderboard

[hushed violet]

OH, it's a completely different category huh

[livid basin]

You may use quick start yes

Just use the proper route marker

[hushed violet]

ok, thanks

[hallow kettle]

Oh thank god, was just doing some testing and found out you don't need to do any of Purgatory to reach 100% on current patch

That cuts almost two hours off the run time

[hushed violet]

"Force Weapon Mode - Choose a type of weapon to spawn at all times."

Is this allowed in speedruns? I don't see a rule on speedrun.com stating it's not

[livid basin]

Is it an accessibility feature?

[hushed violet]

Yeah I saw it on patch notes:

[livid basin]

I'd say that goes against the spirit of the speedrun, but what you think?

I haven't speedran this game for a good while, so I'm willing to hear your opinions

[hushed violet]

Yeah. I agree

[livid basin]

I made a poll about it in the #🎤・src-announcements

[hushed violet]

Maybe important to note is that you can only force a weapon from whenever you've unlocked/seen it once

so you can't force guns from the start

[livid basin]

Yeah, but you can force gauntlets quite early on and just steamroll with 3rd hits

Or some other non-hammer weapon

[hushed violet]

yeah. We'd definitely use it if it were not banned

But it looks very likely that it will be, so that's good 😛

[frigid ermine]

We also found a trick where a player grabs a wep and removes the second player and spawns the player back in and they both get the wep

so if a bad wep appears but one good one you can techincally both get the good one

was wondering if that would be allowed or not

only works in the first room

[livid basin]

Hmm... well, for any% that should be allowed. For NMG? Would that be considered a sequence breaky skip?

[frigid ermine]

depends what NMG mean as well is it that no glitches are allowed or are small exploits allowed like that

it seems semi intended because they wouldn't want a player to spawn in without a wep

[livid basin]

NMG, No Major Glitches. The standard was that all sequence breaks are major

Small skips are fine

Like dialogue skipping

or skipping rooms

[hushed violet]

Yeah weapon thing takes like 8-10 seconds to do as well iirc. So you do lose some time but you can avoid guns that way which is kinda nice

[livid basin]

But in 1.11. and earlier there were skips like opening all doors with like 6 followers. Or going to any map location arbitrarely

Those are major skips

[frigid ermine]

you can also get extra health by entering a level with one player and spawn in the second player the first player starts with an extra heart

[livid basin]

Is this how repeatable? Does it stack?

[frigid ermine]

no its because in co-op you get less health

so by entering solo you get the full health but the second player doesn't

[livid basin]

Ok, that sounds quite minor

[frigid ermine]

I think the main question would be are you allowed to spawn/despawn the co-op player at certain times and it still count as a co-op run

[livid basin]

If you were able to stack HP, then it would have been an issue imo

Just spawning the coop character makes it coop

Though, if one player controls two characters, should we see that as solo? With no macros, but input remap or using feet

[frigid ermine]

I feel like that kinda ruins the spirit of a co-op run

and would be its own thing imo

[frigid ermine]

what is consider the best wep to grab in speedruns? Also is there a tier of best to worst? And is it always worth grabbing a wep upgrade for a worse wep?

[livid basin]

I think it is up to preference. Some like the dagger after its buff. I used gauntlets, because you can chain the big hit, giving a lot of high area damage.

Hammer is the worst by far. Slow and clunky

The sword is mid.

For the gun I have no experience on

It is faster to reset than run hammer, so it tells enough (if not in 1st anchor)

[frigid ermine]

hammer with dodge attack always seemed super good to me 😄 but his is without the golden fleas so maybe that makes a difference

[livid basin]

Dodge attack? Any vids to demo that?

[frigid ermine]

its just the attack, dodge to cancel the animation and attack again

so you can attack again straight away after the attack

[hallow kettle]

Attempting the Goated Super Neo Hundo run on stream tomorrow.

My main fear is running out of snacks (for me, I mean, not my cult)

[jolly pike]

blunderbuss is peak, I have the always roll blunderbuss setting in settings

[jolly pike]

it’s been out for a while

[buoyant granite]

for anyone that is awake around the world somewhere I am starting up any% unrestricted runs on stream rn to get some practice in again before my mini-marathon run here in Melbourne at ACMI on Saturday!

[somber pagoda]

Can you do that with any weapon?

[jolly pike]

in accessibility

yes

[somber pagoda]

I’ll have to check. I never want to have to use hammers again

[livid basin]

It seems that there is a tie between disallowing and having a new category. I'll tie break and create the category when I got the time

[compact zealot]

<@&353180194690957334>

-# thanks guys :]

[nimble gust]

[static barn]

[uncut ridge]

[steady mirage]

💨

[sand wolf]

[pallid spade]

🔥1 tapped🔥

[stuck orbit]

Damn how many damage boosts did you have?

[frank breach]

How is this possible?!?

Sry still new to CotL speedrunning

[pallid spade]

Bro idk

[untold marsh]

Well one way to do it is the berserker fleece, godly dagger and use the heavy attack, divine Guardian also helps if you can get it

At least in normal difficulty

[narrow snow]

Oh hounds of fate. Yeah that checks out. Most broken spell in the game.

[nocturne sable]

[somber pagoda]

I like touch of ithaqua better since it can hit through cover and it has no range limit

Though i guess hounds of fate would be better against bosses

[warm fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-griffin-family-guy-jaw-drop-shock-gif-17665504

[little thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/pop'n-music-mimi-death-gif-14154240390025181324

[nimble gust]

como lo hiciste me enseñas

[thin glade]

Hey, I feel like it’s pestering people, but who would I talk with about Cotl speedrunning? I’ve been waiting for a response on the last speedrun as to if I’ve messed up somewhere.

[livid basin]

I have just been busy with everything else, so I haven't had time to mod

[thin glade]

That’s all good. Hope you’re doing alright.

[vague nymph]

God cutscenes take alot of time

[livid basin]

I was about to say that you can skip some of them, but not anymore :D

[stark cypress]

[rocky night]

Hello :>

[cursive reef]

Hello everyone, I’m new a speedruning and yesterday a did my sec try of speedruning cotl, I did it in 1h43 and 35sec, is that good or no cause idk what is pro player’s time

[rocky night]

I don't remember right now the best time but still welcome :> and good luck with your speed runs

[cursive reef]

Thanks

[rocky night]

Ya welcome

[topaz heart]

Claunecks shoe relic makes 3 projectiles per tarot card you have and they deal broken amounts of damage

[verbal pilot]

sup guys, i wanted to try running the game but the link on src to get the auto splitter and load remover seems to be broken, does anybody have the autosplitter files or a new link?

[verbal pilot]

also, in rules state that patch 1.3.0+ cant use unlimited hp and fervor, but if i depatch the game ill be able to use those right?

teleport glitch still works in 1.4?

[livid basin]

Teleport glitch is like 1.0.11

[livid basin]

If you find a way to use it. The option was added in 1.3.X

But not under accessibility settings

[verbal pilot]

its because like, i dont think its possible to be going for wr without it, so depatching feels like a must to compete with wr

[verbal pilot]

oh i didnt knew lol, sry

makes sense

[livid basin]

No worries. You'd have to dive quite deep into patch logs to know these things :D

[verbal pilot]

oh i was wondering one other thing aswell, in order to do that crown cutscene skip i gotta play in full screen, but when im playing in fullscreen i cant see the livesplit, i dont have 2 monitors i was wondering if u know a way around this, tried looking up for it but couldnt find a solution for this

[livid basin]

The game is quite a luck fest. I think it is possible with current builds if you can skip most if not all the fighting floors.

Old patches do have "QoL" like much better golden fleece, where it stacks faster (1.0.11 it stacks 10% instead of 5%)

[livid basin]

That is unskippable in the newer builds :D

[verbal pilot]

oh but i got that to work today

playing on 1.4

[livid basin]

Oh 👀

[verbal pilot]

i have that recorded

if u want

[livid basin]

Please do

[verbal pilot]

1 sec ill post private on yt and send the link

abt 5 min

sent it on dm

but well, i guess im downpatching then, looks like its the best way to run the game

[livid basin]

https://cult-of-the-lamb.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulties?so=search

[livid basin]

I can recommend 1.0.11, the 10% golden fleece + map glitch is the run maker for me

One shotting bosses with 2000% dmg multiplier is just fun

[verbal pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRVY6R1bmXQ

would anyone happen to know if that this skip is patched on 1.4?

[livid basin]

I think that has not been patched. It is just a difficult skip to do

[verbal pilot]

i can get that to work on every patch

except 1.4

maybe specifically this 1.4.6 idk

its impossible to dash while moving in ratau's direction

[verbal pilot]

how can i prevent this softlock? this one is driving me crazy...

[livid basin]

It is not a softlock imo

I have not seen that before

But if I remember correctly, mashing too fast can cause that

[verbal pilot]

happened to me like 5 times in a row

[livid basin]

Try smashing slower the Ratau text boxes

[verbal pilot]

ok ill try that

[thin glade]

Honestly awesome to see more speedrunning content here.
Now seeing Morgan talking about skips and different updates, its tempting to try downpatching and going for a full game run for the funsies

[verbal pilot]

thats so cool

if u find anything share it pls, im trying to learn as much as possible

im planning in running any% soon

but first im running leshy%

[verbal pilot]

if this worked on 1.4.6 would make my life much easier but i tried everything and couldnt make it work

maybe im missing something but i dont think so, since i managed to make this skip work in every version except 1.4

im testing all versions to see which is the best for leshy

even with this nerf of the follower skip i still think that 1.4.6 is the best version so far to run it

[thin glade]

Latest version is my preferred as I don't find downpatching that useful for leshy%

Maybe that's why people run the game on 1.2 for Leshy%?

[verbal pilot]

i guess 1.2 was the latest when the run happened thats why

but its undeniable how much faster the start is in 1.2 or bellow...

can save lik 20 secs

but RNG is by far the most relevant element of this category

[thin glade]

Truth

I just did a run. Got a PB, but no recording. Pain

[verbal pilot]

yeah thats painfully

i always record just in case

my current pb is 5 seconds behind WR

got a 15:55 today

[thin glade]

ITS POSSIBLE

Gimme 10 mins, I'll post a video link

I think there's a time limit before Ratau is forced to speak with you.

But I managed to roll left and almost hit the first enemy.

[verbal pilot]

oh wow, 1.4.6 rly? i need that video pls

[thin glade]

Excuse the clicks and keyboard spam.

[verbal pilot]

dude my dash feels like its just disabled when im walking in there

in other versions i can get that to work easily

but 1.4 not at all

[thin glade]

Hold on, looking at the frames, I think there's a trigger where if you get close to the cultists, it starts the dialogue.

Around 6s mark

[verbal pilot]

triggered the dialog because u went too far to the right

gotta go more up and hit in max range

[thin glade]

Oh, interesting. I'll try another run, honestly surprised I got close.

[verbal pilot]

im wondering now if its possible that i got a setting that wont allow me to do this dash

or something like that

[thin glade]

Maybe? I haven't messed with COTL's settings. Could also be a PC thing?

[verbal pilot]

hmmmm

idk

i even tested in 1.4.3

didnt work

felt like it was a 1.4 issue to me

[thin glade]

Maybe?

[verbal pilot]

i think so

but if it is working for u in 1.4+ than it should be working for me aswell

idk

[thin glade]

I changed my FPS to 60, and managed to kill the first cultist

It didn't skip Rataus dialogue, but it skipped the cultist

I'll get the clip, holdup

I managed to kill one of them, but I'm unsure if that skip was faster than my other attempts

General consensus: no. Compared the skip with my first run, and even the first cultist being dead didn't do much.

Timed from the last frame of the loading screen.

I think you're right, downpatching to 1.2 is the play here.

[verbal pilot]

yeah it would, but there is one thing that makes me go for 1.4.6

i havent seen this anywhere

but i found out there is a new glitch in 1.4.6

u can skip the commandment stones in 1.4

so you can skip doing the ritual

makes it worth

[thin glade]

Oh yeah, skipping commandment stones is required to keep up.

And getting stone for the temple building.

[thin glade]

Yep, got the skips in my last run.

[thin glade]

Honestly interested to see your current pb.

[verbal pilot]

i havent posted it yet

ill post it 1 sec

@thin glade pb posted

[verbal pilot]

LESHY% WR!!!

[thin glade]

Lowered my PB by 30 seconds, I feel like a fool.
Didn't realise that I could skip the crown cutscene if I have the game in Fullscreen instead of Borderless Windowed :/

[thin glade]

Got another PB, but only by 4 seconds. Current PB @ 17:04 for me.

[livid basin]

Damn, I got some modding to do it seems

[verbal pilot]

ggs

ive been grinding any% recently but damn its much harder than i thought it would be....

[thin glade]

Yeah, apologies. I've got about three runs backed up for Leshy%

[verbal pilot]

early silk cradle with golden fleece is much harder than i anticipated

[thin glade]

I wanna do Any%, but I'll give them proper cracks once I'm happy with my Leshy% time.

[verbal pilot]

ive been dying a lot on silk cradle

[thin glade]

Damn. Must be rough.

[verbal pilot]

it is

[thin glade]

Latest patch, or 1.2?

[verbal pilot]

1.0.11

[thin glade]

Oh yeah, forgot 1.0 is the best for running Any%

[verbal pilot]

u need teleport glitch and the buffed golden fleece

i think 1.2 teleport glitch is patched

and golden fleece stacks 5% instead of 10

per kill

[thin glade]

Yep

[verbal pilot]

still

is much harder than i thought it would be

i cant escape SC

Shamura killed me 3 times lol

[verbal pilot]

i went for the same thing basically

i just wanted the leshy% WR before going for any% attempts

[thin glade]

Fair enough

[verbal pilot]

it can get better but im ok with it rn

[thin glade]

Oh?

How so?

I think Leshy% will just be a game of chance for future runs.

[verbal pilot]

leshy% is basically a RNG gauntlet... u can always get luckier with it

if u attempt enough u eventually get there

[thin glade]

Yep.

[verbal pilot]

any% requires MUCH more skill than leshy

[thin glade]

I wish you the best of luck with Any%, mate.

[verbal pilot]

i think all the main categories do

thank u

wish u the same luck with your leshy grind

[thin glade]

Cheers.

[buoyant granite]

I've just finished uni for the year now so I can have a look at the queue too

[tribal garden]

Is there any guide on how to speedrun the game

Or anyone have any tips before starting out

[livid basin]

There should be some doc linked somewhere in the pins with the any% route.

My general tip is to minimize cult interactions as much as possible

[summer briar]

What would be a good name for an any% no-hit + penitence run? I don't plan on speedrunning that, but I am planning on trying it out just to see how bad it is

I'm gonna be tracking how long I take with LiveSplit and I wanna name the run for funsies

[livid basin]

Not hit challenge with survival mechanics?

[summer briar]

Something a little shorter than that. I went with Any% (Masochist Edition) for now

Although that's also a little long but oh well

[thin glade]

Pentience mode was added with the Don’t Starve crossover, so you could call it Starving Any%

[white pike]

How does it sound to blindrun% CotL full game

[livid basin]

Meaning playing it blindfolded?

I feel like the game is an rng fest, so it wouldn't be that enjoyable

or hiding some information like nodes?

[white pike]

Playing the game fully blindfolded

[woeful walrus]

For speed running purgatory max run, are totems banned?

Like the disciples prayer totems

[summer briar]

Since COTL is an RNGfest, and you can't do seeded runs for the crusades, I would say it's completely impossible

[summer briar]

I don't see a category on speedrun.com for max purg runs, but I'd imagine they'd either ban them or separate runs based on whether a runner used totems or not

Because if you build a lot of totems, if you're lucky enough, you can build up so many attack buffs, you can one-shot everything

Although I imagine it would take a while to recharge the totems, even if you have a stupid amount of disciples

[livid basin]

I have been thinking of creating purgatory categories. I do not know how these totems work. I'll create the categories if there is interest in running these

[white pike]

I know I can't do seeded runs as it's randomized, but I'm sure I can still figure something out

[narrow snow]

If there’s an audio cue when transitioning between rooms i could see maybe getting somewhere. But then also navigating the required cult stuff like building the temple and idol…

[white pike]

Simple metronome style. TTS for followers and bishops

[thin glade]

I’m really interested in how long the 100% speedrun will be, once Woolhaven is out.

Given RuffledBricks managed 1.4’s 100% in under 16 hours, I think Woolhaven will take the run up to 24 hours, maybe?

[buoyant granite]

It's entirely possible. It'll all depend on how much cult management content is added, but given they're marketing it as essentially doubling the content in the game then yeah I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at a 24+ hour run

[smoky pendant]

What does a true 100% cotl speed run look like?

[neat crane]

Hard work

It'll take a while

[livid basin]

A lot of speedup meditation

[hallow kettle]

It also depends on how the Woolhaven content is factored into the shown completion percentage. Bear in mind that Purgatory currently isn't required for the counter to show 100%, and in fact completing any of it brings you closer towards (I believe) 110%

[autumn slate]

Might start running this game, any% has some runs on modern patch and some on old patches, are depot downloads allowed and if so is it faster to play on the older patches

[livid basin]

It can be, but it is more about routing, and well, better golden fleece

[livid basin]

Modded the queue. Sorry for the delay. We got a new Leshy% WR

[autumn slate]

just had a medium run with an IGT of 2hr 10mins, i wasnt recording or timing because it was just a practice run while i learn categories but now im kind of kicking myself for not doing it

although i dont think i would have been able to sumbit it anyways befause i accidentally set my difficulty to hard while changing framerate for midas

[strange void]

amen🙏

[autumn slate]

just submitted a time

[night wolf]

not sure if this was asked before, but outta curiosity, should the different patches of the game be separated out? i noticed that theres some skips you can do on patches before 1.4.0 but cannot do on the 1.4.0 or newer patches. for instance, being able to leave the cult grounds when you still have the "collect bones and do the ritual" quest. in the newer patches you are not allowed to leave until you complete the ritual

[livid basin]

They are separated by marking them with version ran

But no categorical separation is done. Sounds like pain in the neck

[autumn slate]

Is there any chance I could get someone to verify one of my runs? I just want confirmation that I followed all of the rules so I can keep running, I don't want to do a bunch of runs then find out I was doing one thing wrong and none of them count

[livid basin]

I'll get to it when I have time. It is midnight now, but I'll check quickly tomorrow

[night wolf]

i also have a few runs pending currently - no rush tho

[livid basin]

Modded

[livid basin]

Crazy that you ran on 1.0.3 and it seems you even had a crash on Leshy. There shouldn't be that many balance issues between 1.0.3 and 1.0.11, but .11 is a bit more stable

[autumn slate]

ok i might try running on that if most of the major skips are intact. ive done some research on 1.0.3 to try and mitigate most of the crashes (that leshy one was avoidable if i just kill the enemy before grabbing the heart) but the softlock from the black summoners i have 0 idea how to avoid

[livid basin]

Yes, 1.0.12 has the nerfed golden fleece and 1.0.11 is more stable and has the skips

It is the most played

I think I got an OoB on like 1.0.4 or something like that, but we did a bit of research into OoB, but there are no triggers behind doors unless unlocked

[autumn slate]

OK I'll try running that and see if it feels better. I literally went to depot Downloader and got the earliest version it would let me download lmao

[autumn slate]

it seems better. the shamura SC3 softlock got patched out even though i think i got it figured out, and reading the patchnotes tells me that summoner softlock got fixed and they added guaranteed weapon drops on floors with bosses on them so ill probably run this patch now

unfortunately didnt fix the issue with SC ceiling sacs not hatching properly resulting in lost time

[autumn slate]

nvm ig lol

[buoyant granite]

Omg I'm having flashbacks to the torture that was attempting to run this game around launch hahaha

So. Many. Softlocks.

[wind zephyr]

should I speedrun

I've been doing a couple speedruns on other games but not cult of the lamb before

[autumn slate]

Routes don't take that long to learn so I'd just sit down and learn for a few hours and see if you like it

[verbal pilot]

ive been trying to run the game again but my load remover isnt working at all

idk what to do

[autumn slate]

try updating livesplit and the autosplitter? i installed both fresh a month ago and they work fine for me

[rocky yarrow]

do you guys how beat Yngya without attacking her?

[autumn slate]

Yeah

The boss damages itself during the fight so you just have to survive

[dapper tartan]

killed this boss extremely fast

[lavish ruin]

19 SECOND

[strange elm]

omggg

[dapper tartan]

More like 10 seconds because I started moving around 1 second in, and the boss died 11 seconds in

[lavish ruin]

[odd oyster]

apparently this is fast? i beat nari around day 79ish but could have done it way sooner but was getting stuff for 100% i was in the 40's when i unlocked the seal but didn't have 20 followers lmao

[fossil vault]

Only 2 minutes pretty cool

[thin abyss]

Came here mostly to see if people are still using the speedrun site? Top runner was uploaded 3 years ago! I'm playing through the game my first time right now so I'll be getting into speedruns soon, can't wait

[old gull]

красавчик

[true hedge]

My apple sauce has so perservatives that it survives rill may 12 2027

[real drum]

.

[torn violet]

Boredom got me here.

[torn violet]

I'm playing 1.5.23 do I need to start the timer of LiveSplit manually? It doesn't seem to auto start for me, unsure if that's a quality.

[torn violet]

I see, it is a feature. I'm unsure what's the most recent version of the game LiveSplit AutoSplit works for, since I rather just run that version. I'm getting "Mono image" errors from ASLhelper in DebugView at the moment with 1.5.23. I'll try to downgrade it later and see if it works.

[untold parrot]

I had that issue too. It seems to not work for the newest versions. Ive been playing on 1.4.4 for co-op speedruns and the timer works then. Not sure if it works on more recent ones or not, but I do have all the manifest codes for 1.4.3-1.4.6 if you need any

[torn violet]

I'm figuring out downgrading right now, yeah. Good to know it no work for new patch, I'm new to game, I didn't know recent DLC was reason for new patch, makes sense in hindsight now it no work.

[torn violet]

; ; it's beautiful. Hollow Knight downgrading was easier. Wasn't too bad to figure out though. Steam guide got me through. I made another save_file_folder and just going to rename them back and forth depending on what version I'm playing.

[torn violet]

I got sub 20 with Normal Leshy% :D it took like 35 run ish. and unexpected. I happened to get good dungeon RNG. I got close to sub 21 3-4 times, but then I realised it would take longer than I thought. I finally watched a Leshy% Easy and Medium too to see if there's anything I wasn't doing. I figured out you don't need to hold interact for unlocking research and confirming teleportation, saving like 15+ seconds at least I feel like per Leshy run.

EXCITEMENT. I'll run hard next.

[torn violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd3XOGu-9tE

[torn violet]

; ; I dind't know you can skip the intro cutscene. that's like 14 seconds. BRUH. well. now I know.

[torn violet]

I see. The game need to be in Full Screen for the red crown cutscene skip to work for me on 1.4.6. I was using Borderless so It'd run in the background if I change music and stuff. As the game pauses itself complete Fullscreen, I'm guessing it has something to do with that.

[latent gyro]

Hey @torn violet !!

I'm glad to see another player going for Leshy% runs!

I'm also trying to get some runs verified but tbh idk when that's gonna happen :/

Are you running NQS or QS category?

[torn violet]

NQS. Yeah, everyone is busy with things, verification takes time too, it's very understandable. I'm running Leshy% cause Any% is too difficult for me atm, and I'd like to get more attack timing before trying Any% again.

I'm trying for Easy best now. Though, I don't think it'll happen soon. My best segment is still a minute away. But, seeing the current best boss efficiency could have been better, especially at Leshy, it's not too difficult of a time to beat I think.

[latent gyro]

Same, I think Leshy% is a great start, it really helps to know darkwood for any%

Also, it would be pretty cool if someone could create a Woolhaven% category later on

[verbal pilot]

Leshy% is the funniest category to me

i tried running any% but its def hard and i didnt commit on the grind

i also tried getting back to do more runs but my load remover just wont work idk why

tried everything to make it work but it just wont

[latent gyro]

Same, there's no actual load remover for leshy% yet :/

[verbal pilot]

load remover works for all categories but theres no leshy% auto splitter

but my load remover is bugged so im unable to do runs currently

[torn violet]

What versions you speedsters Running on if Leshy% Load Remover isn't working? I'm on 1.4.6-596 and the Load Remover is working.

If Load Remover isn't working, does the LiveSplit at least auto start the timer for you? (Inidicating it is hooked to the game)

I'm using the AutoSplitter that you get from "Activate" button on LiveSplit after choosing COTL as the game. I'm splitting it to the exit of each Darkwood exit, and Leshy's kill. Though of course, whoever verifiying Leshy%, they will time it to the frame that Leshy HP bar has disappeared.

1.4+ seems to be the most adventagous, because it allows you to skip doing the doctrine once. You'll need to do that doctrine in earlier version, but you can skip the follow up ritual. In 1.5+ you can't skip doctrine nor skip ritual.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/debugview this is also "DebugView". When LiveSplit isn't working in some way, I try to use this to figure out why, may be useful.

I got tired of grinding Easy Leshy%, as I don't think I can meet 15:40 anytime soon. So I started an Extra Hard save and just playing the game. AHHH nice. (In UNSIGHTED, I only speedrun the game, I maybe have like an hour of playing the game itself, so this was a nice surprise.)

[torn violet]

If you don't recognise this file, probably why LiveSplit isn't picking up the game. Place this file in the /Components folder within your LiveSplit folder. Unlikely this is it if it was working and no longer works. but, perhaps.

[verbal pilot]

its probably the 1.5+ thing

i didnt bother depotting when i tried playing again

i was actually going to grind the other leshy categories

since i already got the Leshy% easy WR

im more interested in grinding the other difficulties and some cats like sacrifice

[autumn slate]

got reminded i should upload my 1:12:00 any%

i should keep running this game but i also just got a job so its unlikely. missing top 5 by less than a second is gonna haunt me tho

[torn violet]

Won't have it for too long I imagine lol. Though yeah, nothing is 100%. I may give up on Leshy% Easy eventually and move onto Any%, I mostly don't want to do Any% atm cause there's some glitches I'll need to learn. Though, I suppose nothing will defeat being hitless with Golden Fleece. I haven't seen many runs, but I imagine top runners get hits now and then still.

[autumn slate]

The glitches aren't that bad

[livid basin]

Hello, I have been very unactive due to hurries. I know the woolheaven has been released. Has anyone run that?

I added the tag for Woolheaven patch and modified the 1.4.0 tag to reflect the current status of the game

Also with 1.5+ I added a clarification that you may use Woolheaven DLC. Let me know if that needs to be changed

[verbal pilot]

running any% with golden fleece is really hard

to play like insanely good

despite difficulty

one mistake and ur basically done

[torn violet]

That's what I really like about Golden Fleece. When I first read about it, and seeing how difficult it is to dodge everything, I thought it'd be too difficult. But, overtime, it gets easier. There are invulnerability frames with Heavy_Attack as well I think. In UNSIGHTED, the last two bosses of that Any%, top runners uses an item that allows more damage but makes you 1 hit KO. It's only for the last two bosses though. I eventually worked up to it. And it is SO REWARDING.

It's one of those skill within game that's really nice to see, and ofc, very very well rewarded. In which a hitless run would be too difficult to defeat. Though again, yeah, RNG is a major factor too. Overall, I like Golden FLeece a lot. Since you can still show off your skills even with bad RNG.

Sigh. I just got a good Leshy% RNG. But I think I need more practise with Axe Spam to really make use of saving time with Leshy fight. I saw the Extra Hard Leshy% boss fight. I forget who the runner is. But it seems the 2nd axe attack spam is quicker than the 1st. Though it seems difficult to pull off if it's still possible in 1.4+

When you dash+attack over and over. it'll repeat whatever basic attack is in your current rotation. it is very adventageous with Claw_Weapon, since the third attack of that rotation does a lot more damage than the first 2 for half the time.

Bro is working toward Master Thesis. LAWL. big ups man. that's really cool. yeah, people be busy.

[verbal pilot]

that game has indeed a lot of depth in terms of skill, like doing those quick dash + atks, but the major factor still is rng for most categories, that made me quit the any% grind lol but the shorter categories interest me a lot

ill def be coming back to do some runs

[torn violet]

Yeah. That's where reset efficiency is offputting in ways, if going for best time.

You'd have to play a lot a lot. This the first RNG game I run, UNSIGHTED have very little RNG, and even then, going for best time required a lot of early resets.

COLT is definitely more difficult to get fast room clears. Stacking up enemies is essentials. I'll see what happens. I have a better idea of how difficult 15:40 for Leshy% Easy is now. My best segments still only 16:00

I bounce back and forth between progressing my regular playthrough of Extra Hard and Leshy% :,) I'll likely learn the Midas glitch today though so I can start practising Any% idk the doctrines route and stuff though. I suppose I'll have to look at the Any% run to see what they do.

[verbal pilot]

The glitch is pretty easy

Hardest part of the run is playing avoiding dmg

The glitches of COTL are overrall very easy to do

Leshy sub 16 is pretty hard already 15:40 is like godlike rng

I just kept grinding until i hit it

Eventually got the 15:39

[torn violet]

I think I'll stop running Leshy% now cause even if I get good RNG> I don't think I can capitalize on Leshy fight as much as I want to. The first two mini bosses are pretty set in stone now regarding what happens. The third I'm still a bit in the air about if I have dagger. But at same time, can't practise bosses unless run it :,) PARADOX

OH i remember now. I was just going to run NMG so I can play more similarly to what Woodhaven % will be.

I'll still have to look up Doctrine route though. I'll watch the current best later today to see what's up.

[torn violet]

Hmm, I'm guessing runners are allowed to use "Force Weapon" option? I just saw that was a thing. I didn't find rule against it in Any%. That'll save some RNG.

[torn violet]

Welp. idk what i did. i seem to have glitched it. I used that option last run to always get AXE. And now on a new run. All I'm getting is SWORD, for everything up to the Toad Boss, I think his name Heket, and the option to change isn't available now. idk if it's something you unlock. (Future Me: For version 1.5.3 it unlocks after first Doctrine completion at the Temple. For 1.4.6, it is having any Doctrine fragment and exiting Crusade, as completing Valefar dungeon with 2/3 fragment will still trigger requirement to complete said Doctrine in temple. in 1.4.6, you can skip Doctrine entirely for the Any%, though without "Force Weapon" option and Golden Fleece, no reason to besides Low% challenge)

Unless I've been getting incredible luck. I used to always get Axe for Valefar, and Dagger for whichever miniboss is next. and leshy would be the first randomish. figured it out

[torn violet]

Alright I see. It seems, if have "Force Weapon" setting enabled on any SaveFile, and then starting a new one, it'll occur. I reproduced the glitch on 1.5.23.1043 though it can be done on 1.4.6.LATEST as well.

Unfortunately. I deleted the save_file on 1.4.6 that had that unlocked. I'm still unsure where it unlocks at. so I'll play through a normal one real quick to see when.

If you really enjoy SWORD lol... u can use that glitch to have SWORD for the entirety of the run.... oi...

[livid basin]

Is it under "Accessability" settings? If so, only the button holding one can be enabled from there

or that has been the consensus

I'd just run gauntlets if that was an option, since those are OP when chained properly

[torn violet]

So what's the rule specifically? Can we Enable stuff like. Auto-Fish, Auto-Craft, etc? Or only the Button Holding option.

[livid basin]

Only the button holding is allowed

[torn violet]

♥ thanks yo.

I'm sure I had Auto-Craft on for my Leshy% Normal and Hard. I didn't know though. Can undo those two submissions if needed, it's cool. It had affected that first Berry_Meal cooked at base camp.

Though the Gauntlet weapon third attack is powerful. I had trouble chaining it well in boss fight. With axe, the first attack does a lot of damage too, so I wouldn't need to get to the third attack again if I need to break the chain. Idk how the AXE damage compared to the GAUNTLET third attack damage though.

[torn violet]

If I have a run for Any% NMG Normal category, am I also able to like submit that same run to that category AND the Unrestricted category as well? So like it would be the same run submited to both category.

[autumn slate]

Every hit of axe is 2 base damage, gauntlet first two is 1 damage with the third being 3.

[torn violet]

dang... it's probably my least favourite weapon. 50%+ over axe is a lot. i think over a long time. i'll get better. but atm. i dislike that weapon A LOT haha.

My preference right now is Hammer -> Axe . those my best two weapons. sword and dagger seems more difficult to use well, and the gun is just... i teleport out of dungeon whenever i get a gun.

[autumn slate]

I run with old fleece so hammer is one of the worst options for me, you usually get up to one shot scaling pretty quick so having a weapon as slow as hammer just becomes a liability when axe or gauntlets could one shot too. Gauntlets have a giant aoe on the third hit that makes crowd control super easy

Plus knockdown on weak enemies

[torn violet]

Is old fleece the Golden Fleece?

[verbal pilot]

i hate playing with hammer

god it feels awful

axe and dagger and the funniest to run

[autumn slate]

yeah

[torn violet]

in hindsight. it was clear that was a typo xD i thought there was a fleece that is Old Fleece

[autumn slate]

it wasnt, old fleece is the golden fleece that gives +10% dmg instead of +5%

[torn violet]

lok, u got me

lol*

[untold parrot]

I wasnt aware that Forcing a weapon was a thing. Is this viable for speedruns? I do co-op runs on 1.4.4 and solo on 1.0.11

[torn violet]

It's not allowed in submitted runs.

Though the glitch probably is allowed, cause you can skip doctrine altogether and the option would never show, but with the glitch, it can only be sword unfortunately.

[steel wing]

does anyone have a tip on how to softlock myself fast? (it's for the funnies)

[radiant knoll]

​

[livid basin]

Sometimes just playing with an older patch will do that for you. I had a 2x speed hammer once and softlocked

When doing my medium any% speedrun

[steel wing]

Works for me 👍

[static haven]

This is my first game I'm ever running and I'm looking to do leshy% but I can't seem to figure out how to do a quick return to cult right away in game after defeating a leshy follower so I'm stuck going through the cut scene with the one who waits. I hope this makes sense.

[torn violet]

Those cutscenes are not entirely skippable, they still occurs. If I'm understanding the message right. Got to spam through dialogues. The only noticeable cutscene that is "skippable" is the very first cinematic one where the Lamb gains the crown.

[static haven]

I was watching the world record and they didn't get those cutscenes because they did a quick return to cult instead of walking through the door

[torn violet]

Which runner/run was it? Link would be cool. I'm not familiar enough with the game.

It may have been a different game version. I think version 1.4.x is most adventageous for Leshy%. Cause you can skip doctrine and ritual altogether. And it seems no other versions can do that. And to do that, you simply just not pick up doctrines when they first appear, you'll be allowed to traverse to the next room once. if it's a split corridor, and unlucky, you'll have to pick up the doctrine, indicating likely to reset.

[static haven]

https://youtu.be/p3QkSV99TEo?si=v7idpIn00bSOT3po

Could it be because they have penitence on

Tried with penitence on and I still can't escape and quick return

[torn violet]

Is it not allowing you to attempt "Quick Return" at all? I don't run Penitence, without it, there is no Quick Return for Leshy%, as that ability is unlocked with a Boss Kill Heart.

It is QuickStart/Pentience that allows you to do it yeah, I just tried it. On version 1.4.6, it allows it. Perhaps you're running on a version that's earlier.

There will be a clear icon on the bottom right of screen that indicates it. (Default key is Q)

[chrome thunder]

Challenge: Faithless/DEATH OF THE LAMB %
Goal: kill the Lamb by having everyone die
Rules:

1. Must be on a fresh save and have quick start on
2. Run is complete when returning to the main menu after dying
3. Any version works

Have fun

[swift tapir]

currently in the process of routing out 100% with woolhaven expansion and I just want to confirm something since it isnt on the Sins patch but I see the WR doing it when I'm taking notes and figuring stuff out.

is every unique clothing form required? it dossnt say it in the rules at all just all blueprints and fleece

[livid basin]

IIRC yes. Purgatory was left out of the scope. Please remind me if I'm wrong

[swift tapir]

I beleive purgatory only adds 10% after 100%

on the actual percentage tracker

[swift tapir]

ah looking at the actual percentage calculations they are apart of both Woolhaven and Base game %

[frank lichen]

Hello! Is anyone else having issues with livesplit and the COTL autosplitter? If I have it active, either the timer won't start or it won't split at all. I'm wondering if having the Woolhaven DLC is affecting it or not. I'm super new to speedrunning.

[frank lichen]

thank you!!

[modest stratus]

Didn't know this was an issue. Id be willing to look into fixing it but I'm unsure if it's a patch thing or woolhaven thing. If it's not woolhaven I'll look into it.

[torn violet]

I didn't buy Woolhaven DLC yet when I ran.

Waited for that sale :,)

[modest stratus]

ah cool, and it didn't work on the latest without woolhaven?

[torn violet]

it did not.

[modest stratus]

Cool. I'll redownload COTL, boot up live split and VSCode and do some troubleshooting in the morning

[torn violet]

kind of lucky though. since I found out Leshy% was fastest on another version.

[modest stratus]

More then likely it'll be a simple fix LMFAO

[torn violet]

lots of new runners would appreciate I'm sure. since its' a headache to downpatch, if it's first time doing.

[modest stratus]

Oh yeah for sure fully agree.
Need to maintain that shit anyway with new options (maybe?)

Ill probably also look into woolhaven autosplitter. That is. When I'm not poor (which'll be for a while tbf)

Should be similar...ish...

@livid basin
Any other updates needed to the autosplitter while I'm at it?

Might as well knock em all out. I don't think there's been an update to it since the first major content patch so it's definitely lacking

[livid basin]

If there are options for book unlocks (marriage etc) and boss slays (when the boss HP-bar despawns), those could be added

[modest stratus]

Cool. Got it.
I'll check it the morning. Probably just push an update to fix it (if it's an easy fix) within the next day or 2 and check the other options from there.

[torn violet]

xD should be 3rd right? since can just put RTA as the LRT

[verbal pilot]

u are perfectly correct indeed

now its correct

ty for pointing out

[livid basin]

I also added an annotation for Woolhaven when I did things on the board

[swift tapir]

#🎤・src-announcements message
for woolhaven 100% big things outside of the standard stuff thats tracked in game would be the questslines for each building in woolhaven iirc

need to look at my notes I'm currently making a route for it

Bishops, Relics, Tarot Cards, Fleeces, Flockade Pieces, Outfits, Lamb Questlines, Legendary Weapons, Extra Lore Tablets, Getting Ratous Staff, and Sacraficing the 5 Animals are the things that actually affect Woolhavens% tracker from what I found

[livid basin]

I'll list those later on. Thank you! :)

[swift tapir]

Im working on compiling a full list. Ive currently in the process of attemting to datamine to actually see what the counters properly track

[swift tapir]

For the most part now I think i have 100% routed out. couple more things im checking to see if its apart of the requirements or not but. Compared to the route done for sins of the flesh 100% the revisits to each questline area are put in different spots due to the hide and seek questline and then Chosen Child Questline. Alot more wood is needed and a rancher is going to be needed early on to make sure have enough wool without having to do a end of game grind. I want to probs do a run this weekend of it and just see where it gets me