#💨・speedrunning

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buoyant granite
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My goal is to get it back into another GDQ at some point

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Maybe AGDQ in Jan, we'll see how we go

modest stratus
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we game

modest stratus
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one idea is maybe try to do a competition, see if we could get SRC mods on it and or devs lol

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i mean hey, something to ponder

buoyant granite
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Hmmm potentially maybe

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It'd probably have to be a different category than any% Unrestricted, given how much that category has been run already

livid basin
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ultra neo 100%

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or was it super neo 100%

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way to get good runs and myself sick with volunteer work

austere lark
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i was plannin on doin it in june

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so

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idk

livid basin
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Just joking

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Way too insane of a category for new comers, until they have the mind of iron like you have

austere lark
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lol

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i thrive in insanity

narrow snow
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Bishop% is a solid run that shows off different aspects of the game.

austere lark
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shows off toww fight, shows off the interdimensional trader (or at laest its existence) and its a nice long run

austere lark
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ngl might do one of those to prep for super neo

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imma just reply to this so i can refer to it when preppin for the run so i can either be mad at myself or impressed

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iether an overestimation or underestimation

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leanin more on the underestimation

long locust
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I got 1 minute and 14 seconds

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totally

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😎

austere lark
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Nice

austere lark
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ok

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we need a new doc

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just to keep track of super neo crap

buoyant granite
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oohh yeah good idea lmao

austere lark
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I can help with writing it after the 18th of june

buoyant granite
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yeah i will be around the same timeframe lmao

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maybe slightly earlier lol

austere lark
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any help is appreciated

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i got like 2 weeks before work starts

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id rather finish the super neo EARLY

austere lark
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so

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what optimizations can we go for

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early drinks and sex would be ideal due to sins being a massive thing (not looking forward to the temple upgrades)

narrow snow
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I haven’t played since SOTF so im afraid i can’t provide any help.

austere lark
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its fine

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its not like info from relics update wouldnt be helpful too

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like even minor improvements

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to layouts and shit

austere lark
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thankfully the neo docs can be copied

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most of the way

austere lark
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Putting together the document already

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So far got a lotta theoreticals

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And questions

austere lark
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Will send link later, feel freee to criticise as i literally did it at work

austere lark
fiery jewel
austere lark
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To me early heavy attacks means at least 4 crusades remain

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Counter argument tho, shield enemies dont spawn until you unlock heavy attacks

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And also the only way heavys are good is if you can unlock the upgrade for them (which is annoying as shit)

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For high damage potential we also do have a combo of relics (enlargement, tentacle, bomb for ads and boss, dice) and the roll combo to keep our highest damaging attack goin

austere lark
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relics being avaliable from the start makes it that much more worth

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heavy attack is such a late game unlock

narrow snow
austere lark
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shields are a massive time waster due to slow charge up of many heavy attacks

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it upgrades dagger from shit tier to A tier weapon

austere lark
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but overall gauntlet roll is hte best damage

austere lark
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good news

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i get to test tomorrow and update that doc i sent

cobalt olive
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Is the new fastest version for running 1.2.0? And if so how do I downpatch to the version? I have 1.0.11 still so idk I see that current WR has 1.2.0 so that's why I ask.

livid basin
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Same as you downgraded to 1.0.11. Pinned comment by glcoder

austere lark
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lads

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its happening

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on the 27th

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and wont be rescheduled or anythin

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unless somethin medical happens

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but like

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cmon

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how unlikely is that to happen

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pretty unlikely right

livid basin
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Knocked some wood

buoyant granite
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hell yeah cant wait!!

austere lark
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also in unrelated news

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PIRATE SOFTWARE IS STREAMIN CULT OF THE LAMB

austere lark
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No

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No

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CMON

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I HAVENT EVEN TRIED THE NEW NEO YET

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Thankfully it seems to just be coop implementation

modest stratus
austere lark
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I just hope its not extra content

livid basin
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There is most likely some minor additions at least, new follower forms, new set pieces

austere lark
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is it just gonna be a slight modification to super-neo?

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or new category?

austere lark
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wait

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new coop category?

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i might look into making the coop work off one keybaord

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if itd be allowed

austere lark
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yo question

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when i get to doing the neo run

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would ya want a camera feed to see the keyboard?

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or somethin

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cus i accidentally found the perfect place to put a camera for it

livid basin
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If you want so

austere lark
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aight

summer heath
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im sorry if this is asked a lot, but how does one downpatch this game?

modest stratus
summer heath
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ye where do i put that code?

livid basin
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Well, using the depotdownloader from commandline (cmd)

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or powershell

summer heath
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i see, thanks!

buoyant granite
austere lark
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welp

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time to start preppin

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cus i kinda lost track of tiem

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also been gettin unlucky a bit

austere lark
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also

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can say

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gun, is one of the worst weapons of all time

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leshy took forever with gun

austere lark
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got a new crash

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trying to enter DW-1

austere lark
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its random or tied to rain

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but

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theres a enw crash post boss arena

austere lark
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lads

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bad news

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ive been crashing

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after

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every bishop

crude ruin
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yikesssssss
thats a shame

crude ruin
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btw need help
i cant get the autosplitter script to work and when i go to the link in pinned it shows this

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austere lark
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you tried followin smallant's?

crude ruin
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oh no
can you link the video?

austere lark
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Just saw youre only addin auto splitter forget what i said

livid basin
austere lark
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guys imma be honest

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kinda gettin scared now

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the run is soon and i dont think my sanity can hold up that long

livid basin
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You can do it! But if it gets too bad, it ain't a shame to throw the towel to the ring.

austere lark
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thems is fightin words

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but no seriously im actually startin to get scared

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i think it took me 2 hours to reach silk cradle

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tho thats while managing the cult and the lambs hunger

austere lark
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GUYS

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I DONT BELIEVE THIS

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every other boss crashed the game

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SHAMURA DIDNT

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SHAMURA SPARED ME

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the one who waits is such a hater, he waited to get in the cult before crashing

austere lark
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yo guys

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we never found good strats for consistent lore right?

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or faster strats in the sins update

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right?

buoyant granite
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Could not tell you sorry

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Was never one particularly invested in lore strats hahaha

austere lark
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Shame

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Cus i need to cook somethin up

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In like a 36 hours

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To try to find the forsaken lore

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Also managing the cult is gettin kinda annoyin while playin the game

buoyant granite
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Godspeed soldier, may you go where no Lamb has gone before o7

austere lark
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I think today is where i prepare the last stuff

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So stuff like the tablets (which are kinda worrying since with sermon level ups you only get 1 stone rather than one from all)

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And if some of yall can join the stream and gimme some ideas id really appreciate that

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Cus theres probs somethin imma miss

austere lark
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And imma actually try to make the tracker site today just to keep track of stuff ive done for me

buoyant granite
austere lark
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Cheers lad

austere lark
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Ill probs run a stream in 3 hours or somethin

austere lark
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ok

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so think about the order of bishops post credits

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was thinkin since heket gets hungry quickly, if i get her last itd be better

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mating tent also has 3 follower forms locked behind it

austere lark
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lads

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thoughts on getting ton of offering statues?

austere lark
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7 hrs to get 60%

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On a segmented attempt

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For the run im gonna need to pull up how yall did doctrines cus that was a lot better

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Also thoughts on fishing for money?

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Since some of the fish can sell for 20 coins a pop

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At the start

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And tbh the super neo is a lot more money hungry

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Granted when i did neo i had a hitless start, but in this one it feels a lot harder to deal with

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Like ya need so many gold bars and shit

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Gold bars for mating tent

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Might go for 4 farms tbh

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Because food drinks and cotton are needed

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The only issue is that the inspiration tree is different

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So getting the mating tent early is good since you need a lotta eggs and shit

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Need golden for follower form

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Need regular for outfit

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Sin grinding is gonna be a pain too

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I legit found it hard to keep over 22 followers

buoyant granite
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Yeah I won't lie even in my casual playthrough of dlc (that I still haven't finished lmao) I did find it tricky to keep up my follower count enough to reopen all the doors haha

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Probs just my any% mindset to ignore my followers 24/7 tho lmao

austere lark
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I think they made the needs like food or age faster by a small bit

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Or maybe ots my luck for not finding the follower rooms in runs

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Cus i remember i used to get 2 in a run once

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45 mins thats when ill start the stream

austere lark
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Tbh

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For a tracker i moght just make a google spreadsheet

austere lark
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yo anyone got an idea for where doctrine page is?

austere lark
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2 crashes already

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and i aint even in silk cradel

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why is rain crashing the game

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the fuck

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had to restart the run

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cus rain crashed everythign

austere lark
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3rd attempt

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cus rain

austere lark
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5

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It took 5 attempts to reach the first break

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Here are the resutls
1st run - softlocked by rain
2nd run softlock by rain
Updated drivers and remembered to trun of wallpaper engine
3rd run - settings reset so i accidentally hit reset (shame it wasnt at the end this time)
4th forgot to start the timer

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5th run - an hour later i beat heket and got a devent amount of loot

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Wood aint as much of a problem rn

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Got squirrel form and saw the bug in the secret room

austere lark
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2nd break

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Its so slooooooowwwww

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Bad news rain is time loss from crusades

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Good news all areas are open and shamura id in 2 runs if i coutned rught

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Might have to start sacrificing tho

austere lark
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ok

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toww is dead now

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a lot slower than the practice run

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and slower than the neo

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but then agian, in last neo i dealt less with the cult

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only really cared at the end

austere lark
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made it to 2-dw-3

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i am taking note of roughly when the breaks happen

austere lark
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bros

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i may be throwing

austere lark
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ok so 8 hrs in imma see the progress

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60%

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help

austere lark
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guys

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all my cult memebers dissapeared

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ik its a bug

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but like

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all of them

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and everythin

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was gone

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GUYS

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I GOT A SWORD

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ITS PENITENCE MODE

livid basin
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Its gamer time I see

austere lark
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idek how

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i only got godly weapons and it spawned

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still behind tho

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stream is still goin

austere lark
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73% passed

austere lark
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yo

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imma need some serious help

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missing like 5 follower forms

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under general

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any ideas how to try to get them to drop

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cus cosmic trader only wants to give me dlc forms

livid basin
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Could the Wiki be helpful?

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There is a cotl wiki

austere lark
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only said appears in all biomes

livid basin
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Well, if these are the general ones, then could just griding woods help you find them?

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Or some other area

austere lark
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woods would definitely be the ssmart play since enemies there are weak af

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just needed ideas on where to grind

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so thx

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now to deal with painful rng

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cus i need eggs

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nmvm

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eggs done

livid basin
austere lark
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kinda

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first 2 eggs were gold

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one was the wrong form tho

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bet im at 80% done

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shamura skull retrieved

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now to kill kalmar

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friendship ended with card fleece
new friend is hobbled heels

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KALMAR IS GOING DOWN

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NVM

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THOUGHT I REACHED KALMAR

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one more run till the squid goes down

austere lark
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KALMAR

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GAVE THE TEARS

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84%

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FFS

austere lark
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LAST GOD TEAR

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CREDITS TIME

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88%

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...

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6 followers
1 locked behind lore
1 card behiond follower shop

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also got lotsa talisman left to get

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and forgotten stones

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and theres some inspiration left

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AND THATS MAXED SERMONS

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had somethin to say 17?

upper mirage
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Does anyone have a speedrun guide for 1.3.x? I don’t know how to/don’t want to downgrade for now and I’m not sure if all the skips still work. It’s ok if it’s not the fastest version.

austere lark
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those skips dont work anymore lad

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currently a guide for 1.3.x is still not out since most of the runs remain teh same

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its just most skips dont work

upper mirage
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Do any of them?

austere lark
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nope

upper mirage
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Darn

austere lark
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havent been since relics

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if you want them to work downpatch

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theres guides in pinned

upper mirage
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I’m assuming fast recall doesn’t work?

austere lark
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which one was that rn

upper mirage
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Using omnipresence after miniboss and still getting credit

austere lark
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thats not a glitch

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that works

upper mirage
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Ok cool

austere lark
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thats a feature that they forgot to disable post boss

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so techincally a feature

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i cant do it cus it crashes

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idk why

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if i count right

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2 forms left

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1 page of lore left

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at least 5 sacrifices left

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still need at least 3 dw runs tho

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91%

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ALL DECOR

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i neede some more sins and gold bars

upper mirage
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I’m reading the guide now, but it doesn’t say what to have the followers do while we’re crusading. I’m assuming we leave them on faith generation? Do we care about wood or stone at all? Do we need to farm for food at all?

austere lark
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you gonna do any%?

upper mirage
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Probably nmg because of the downgrading

austere lark
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aight so heres the thing

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you ignore the cult mostly

upper mirage
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Yeah I figured just wasn’t sure if we needed resources for anything

austere lark
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if youre fast enough you only need to feed like twice or 3

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NEO 100% progress
(91% at post)
what remains
1 visit to the follower shop
several to the clothes shop
1 lore room
a few inspirations
1 talisman from trader

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if ya wanna see this ending live

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i guess theres like 30 mins left

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good news and bad news

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shamura quit crashing the game

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leshy learnt how to

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95%

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ALL CARDS

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last doctine done

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ffs

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i see why 16 hours

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i would be done in 14

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autopilot is on

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note and inspiration

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is all that remian

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someone join in case i pass out

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im joking

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but no seriously

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im boutta throw the game to hell

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cus i was right where i needed to be

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and passed by it

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cus there is NOTHING indicatign there is something

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NOTE
INSPIRATION
SINS

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thats all that remains

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WE DOING ANOTHER TILL 3AM ONE

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97%?!

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DAMN SINS

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I WANT TO QUIT

austere lark
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SERIOUSLY

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IM LOOKIN FOR SINS AND THAT ONE FUCKIN ROOM

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guys

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i think

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i think i broke it

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idk who broke

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if its me or the game

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but someones broken

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nvm

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its the rain

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but im definitely broken

austere lark
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i swear

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if the note is all that remains and it hits 5am im off

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idc if its 99%

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or 100%

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im done

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which gives the run 40 mins of remaining life

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35 mins to get the last talisman and the note

austere lark
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Nope (ignroe the vent, i was unable to scream)

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Im goin to dleep

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Fuck super neo

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10m dollars might keep it goin

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But my energy wont

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reason for giving up mainly is the rng

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The lore i can deal with

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But not only do you need to also get notes, they decided to theow them in 5 rooms, 3 the same, 2 different

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FUCK THAT BUG WITH THE FIRE. I WAS RIGHT NEDT TO IT

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And then the sins requirement

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15 sins

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I was at my wits end by temple 6

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Sanity stopped being a thing by hour 13

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Had it dtarted when i wanted it to it cousla kept goin

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But no

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And also

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FUCK LEVELING UP THE BROOM MAN

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I THINK I WAS HALF WAY THROUGH THE LAST LRVEL

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WHICH BTW

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I WAS LEVELING THE ENTIRE FUCKINY TIME

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BY GIVING THEM BERRIES

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AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE COSMIC TRADER

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BECAUSE IF I WAS IN THE GAME ID TEAR HIM A NEW HOLE

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I THINK I GOT 5 missionary NECKLACES BY THE END

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AND I DIDNT USE ANY OF THEM

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CUS MISSIONAIRIES WERE ALMOST POINTLESS

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

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I WAS 1 TALISMAN PIECE AWAY FROM ALL FLEECE

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BUT NOOOO

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HAD TO ROLL A TWITCH FORM

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OR WHATEVER I ROLLED

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Money was flucuating so often i couldnt tell when i was up or down

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Seeds were running duper low

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I forgot the confession stand could do sins too

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But can i say god forbit you try ro extract more than 4 sins cus otherwise you gotta go on a manhunt again

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I wasted sins trying to get the fucking eggs

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Because some 75% chance failed

buoyant granite
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bruhhh that is crazy as

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sorry i couldnt be more present during the run, got a lot to organise in life rn lmao

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but it sounds like you went through all nine circles of hell and back my friend hahaha

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big ups tho, mad effort and achievement nonetheless

buoyant granite
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that is assuming you're running easy difficulty

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its only really viable to fully ignore your cult on easy difficulty as they will automatically heal themselves of issues eventually, and the faith loss buildup is slow enough to allow you to easily finish the run before anything becomes an issue

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going to any other harder difficulty tho im not sure what is optimal strats in terms of how much cult management you need to do to keep the run going, and therefore what resources/additional buildings youd require for it too

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95% of runs done across the game's lifetime have been on easy difficulty just cause its the fastest so noones really put heaps of time into theorycrafting other difficulties

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ik there are a couple of runs listed on the leaderboards for other difficulties, so id suggest probs check those out if you were interested in doing a harder difficulty

austere lark
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Seriously i think i was on the brink of cryin for tbe smallest bits of progress

austere lark
austere lark
# austere lark Because some 75% chance failed

And i forgot to mention…
The bugs
THE BUGS
Moonwalking followers, teleporting followers, invisible food, disapearring food, damage from enemies that are no where near me, pressing a dirextion and rolling in the kther, clicking a dirextion and accidentally hitting wasd (screws the attack up), big followeers, leshy…

austere lark
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im still highlighting the run

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but... fuck the game and its rng

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i normally like randomness

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but this

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is insane

austere lark
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tbh

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kinda wanna just open cotl and just stream the end of the file

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and just be like speedrun is done

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after 3 months XD

loud nimbus
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L

austere lark
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Unironically debating if i should try the super neo run again, but taking it less seriously and possibly slower (somehow that worked for the practice run cus that was faster <some 38% at 1:45>) while my run was slower

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Like id be willing to take random starting and stopping and having a longer time overall

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Cus i mighta been rewriting the guide i was writin before

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Ik where the mistakes were

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Especially the run ender

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Hell would even be willing to sleep on stream to keep it goin

austere lark
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And tbh i think hobbled heels fleece may be faster (was outrunning the camera) but it removes the ability to dodge roll

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So perfect for the gun

austere lark
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Shit for any other weapon

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But theres also no need to press space repeatedly

austere lark
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Ping

terse ruin
austere lark
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Ping

livid basin
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Pong (manually)

rain tree
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Ping

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Pong (made in china)

wheat vine
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I forgot to record my game when I got a 14th place any% nmg run LambertMisery

austere lark
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Ok guide for neo is almost done

jolly iris
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Ping

livid basin
balmy storm
austere lark
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In case anyone is insane enough to try the run that broke me

clear oasis
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What does neo involve?

livid basin
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Neo-100% would be all of the relics of the old faith content (minus purgatory)

clear oasis
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Ah ok

austere lark
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If ya try it, get a therapist ready

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Cus a 3-5am finish is mentally draining

terse ruin
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ma

last fern
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I can't really record anything because of my phone camera, but what's a category I could try just for fun?

livid basin
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Look under misc if you are interrested in shorter runs

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or just any%

austere lark
buoyant granite
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If you want to mess around more with cult management stuff then marriage% is great for that

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Knucklebones% is also very fun if you like more of the mini game grind haha

last fern
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Alright, I'll try that

austere lark
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Yo src mods

Recon this is a good time to call it super neo 2 since the changes to the run arent too big

Like the diff between ssj 1 and ssj 2?

solemn violet
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What’s the current version? It’s blocked by a store advertisement

livid basin
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I think something like 1.4.x

buoyant granite
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Also with the unholy alliance multiplayer update out today as well I'm assuming we're gonna need to split the leaderboards for duo runs as well?

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(Also I'd be hella down to work out routing and learn a multiplayer run of some category if there's interest from anyone else 😅)

austere lark
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Im more interested in finding a cuphead like glitch for neo

arctic copper
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Stupid question (someone mildly interested in speedrunning boss rush or smth like that)

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What is a Neo?

modest stratus
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and a new version of neo gets added every massive update

livid basin
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Yeah, we need a new neo category title. Any suggestions?

wet trench
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True Godhood%

glacial tiger
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Any% MatingWithGoat

livid basin
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Cursed

vestal dew
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is it possible to bypass rescuing new Follower?

livid basin
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With limitations and in older patches. Like you can open all the doors quite easily before like 1.3

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Except the final boss

austere lark
austere lark
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Its a mind numbing, brain killing and physically draining run

terse ruin
broken kettle
keen sigil
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whenever the new catagory for 100% comes out im going to route and run it because, because.

austere lark
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i already have a route for it lad

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just need mods to approve it

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just sayin, if you are gonna try it, GOOD FUCKIN LUCK

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that is the most draining run i can think off

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i ran basic neo

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and i hated it

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i ran super neo

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and i failed that run cus i hated it

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just need to add the coop update to the doc

livid basin
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lmao we don't need to approve routes, do we? Just to check the rules that all the new stuff is included

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Routes are just strategies to get to the finish line

austere lark
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True

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I mean mostly to see if i didnt say anythin wrong cus my sensors when it comes to that sorta stuff dont really work

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And i was writing it straight after the failed run

buoyant granite
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wait werent we gonna re-do the 100% categories to be more clear which was which?

narrow snow
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Yeah. All 100% runs are marathon runs.

The base game before relics released and neo 100% was created was still a 4 hour run. And they just keep adding to it

narrow snow
buoyant granite
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i dont remember what they added besides co-op

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but a split in leaderboards for 1P and 2P is probs needed now

narrow snow
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There was a quest line to take the bishops back to their temples.

livid basin
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We now have GOATED-Super-Neo-100% category under misc

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(I added it)

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To make it more bearable, co-op is allowed in that category

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Boards are a bit broken atm because I'm messing with them

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Ok, got the runs back. Forgot to add solo tag to all of them

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Now there is solo/co-op separation

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Also, new patch label! 1.4.0 or newer
1.3.0 or newer changed to 1.3.0 to 1.3.6

keen sigil
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im guessing i can do it in 17 hours or less

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so i wont need to sleep through it

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i might stream it too, but first ill route it out, need to figure out where and how to get the new content, maybe i just settle for god tears lol

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ill need a ton of those....

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🙂

austere lark
austere lark
keen sigil
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i have all the time in the world

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itd be a big achievement to do

livid basin
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Yo, there is new force weapons Accessibility setting. Should we ban it in general categories and create new Anything Goes category, which allowes all accessibility settings to be used, or just allow it?

keen sigil
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yeah, that and what about playing coop mode but it only being one player, does that count towards coop catagory or solo? prob coop but it does bring interesting questions

austere lark
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Id say allow or anythin goes

austere lark
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yo can someone confirm fo rme

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is it just vamp weapons that you getr

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cus i can tell its forced weapon type but idk if its just the vamp ones

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hey fried

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long time no see

narrow snow
austere lark
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wait

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would that have worked with follower ascensions?

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lads

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so for 100% you do need a gamepad

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so we would need to find a way to emulate a gamepad

narrow snow
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I stick my nose in here on occasion but i basically never play anymore.

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I don’t know why you would need a game pad at all. Unless you need one for co op.

austere lark
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so, some cards and relics are locked behind activating co-op at least once

keen sigil
narrow snow
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Zealous weapons. Collected fervor adds to devotion. And you can’t collect devotion from the shrine while doing so, we had a runner who figured it out

keen sigil
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ah okay, to me that seems mostly unviable? do you think its a viable strategy for a run? could you explain how it works a little better?

astral dawn
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hello! Just started doing speedruns and improved my time massively from my first run to my second. tip: don't use the temple after beating kallamar the sin tutorial is so long. video coming soon but this is for Any% NMG.

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(berserker was actually golden fleece i just didnt realise you couldn't get the berserker one from the beginning)

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oh wait there's a pb channel my bad

austere lark
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No worries lad

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Just go post it there

austere lark
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And that sin tutorial is only after beating your 3rd bishop

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Coulda beaten shamura, heket or anyone really

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Its always on 3rd bishop kill

graceful garden
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Evrywon its time for the night works of lambilion

graceful garden
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Hello deos anwpn know what the catagory geoted super neo is

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Means

astral dawn
graceful garden
astral dawn
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probably? i havent read the exact requirements lemme check

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looks like it is not required

graceful garden
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Good god almost commoted sucide their

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So more specificly just all the achievments right

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Becouse that would include lore

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I wanna be first but lore is so gruling ly painless torcher

astral dawn
graceful garden
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No acheivment requirments

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Shit didnt see the lore

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Nvn

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About ahh 12 hours id say if youre speedy

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O shit all followar skins ugh the amount of fucking sex that you need to have to get enough gold eggs to get the secret skins is so absurdly large that i feel bad for the amount of peaple that fucking die so i could have max sex

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Maby up fo 20 hours if i rethink it

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O shit all relics so not only do you have to kill avery bishop twice you also gotta do their qust

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Up to 35 if you sleep and youre slow

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35 fucking hours of sex lore drugs beer and cult manipulation

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And a bit of sleep

austere lark
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It needs to read 100% on EVERYTHING

austere lark
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12 hours was relics of the old faith update

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Trust me

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Purgatory is the bulk of the run

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Cus precredits can be beat in 2-3 hrs on a good day

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Looks like i got competition

livid basin
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I think full purgatory is not needed

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That is how I inteneded. When there is demand, I'll add separate Purgatory caregories

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but it still doesn't mean there isn't much to do and using purgatory is needed for quickly getting some tears

austere lark
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*most tears

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I need to see if they patched the reroll thing

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Cus FUCK getting more necklaces for nothing

narrow snow
# keen sigil ah okay, to me that seems mostly unviable? do you think its a viable strategy fo...

So disclaimer i haven’t significantly played since relics, i have basically no experience with Sins, or Alliance. This trick was found by a different runner who has sense moves on from speedrunning CotL.

So you collect about 450 devotion to get a divine inspiration and unlock part of the shrine. Once the shine is fully unlocked it then takes over 1000 devotion to get 1 god tear.
What a person found is that if you don’t unlock the shrine fully you keep getting divine inspirations every 450 devotion that are then converted to god tears later.

You can’t collect devotion from the shrine so you have to instead rely on zealous weapons and the tarrot cards the increase fervor drops. But yes its well worth it for the time save.

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also the fact that im responding two days after the fact is a testament that i don’t come around here or to the game often

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Honestly it would be fun turning attention back to base game 100%. That’s only a 4 hour run and I’m bad at the game.

keen sigil
keen sigil
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but i dont think it counts towards it saying 100% on the new game screen, does it?

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i never actually checked LambertMisery

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also as of my progress so far, ive found and written every single thing i need for goated 100% in a sheet, and im going to somewhat organize them by when ill complete them, as well as add some notes, and get some practice in, the main thing holding me back is not the run itself, but the prep lol

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off to sleep i go 🦑

graceful garden
# austere lark Yes

Nu uh i checked the bulk would be lore or skin grinding which combined can reach up to 20 hours with the rest

graceful garden
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This might just be me from previuse experience but how do we get all the sin that we need for shrine+gold eggs in an estmated total

austere lark
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Drink
Drum circle and ideally rite of lust

graceful garden
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Really that much

austere lark
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Not many ways exist of getting free sin

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Except from fighting minibosses

graceful garden
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Thatle probobly be a good surce taking into acunt lore

austere lark
austere lark
graceful garden
austere lark
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No

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Look at the top of the room youre in
If theres a statue, a matching statue exists so you gotta go hit it
If there aint move on

graceful garden
graceful garden
austere lark
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Lad i tried the super neo run (which is the sins update) ik what im talkin bout here

graceful garden
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Other than the few outliers

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Also is this just me but ive never gotten the lore tablet from the owl guu

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Y

austere lark
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And ngl that pfp of yours is really pissin me off (im jk like 96% of the way on this)

austere lark
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In secret rooms

graceful garden
austere lark
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Oh trust me

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The hidden node lore is the worst

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The others can tell ya what i mean probs

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Idk how much they saw of my run

graceful garden
narrow snow
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I know i looked at how you get lore and remember figuring you would need to do extra crusades beyond the 36 required ones to get them all.

austere lark
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Fried

graceful garden
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Also what about my pfp pisses you off

austere lark
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I can tell ya you can get all the lore in the 20 runs at the end

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Cus lore unlocks post credits

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But the chances for it to spawn is increased

graceful garden
graceful garden
narrow snow
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Im more familiar with 100% and relics.

austere lark
narrow snow
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Neo whatever. Hate that name still

graceful garden
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Monch is the geot

austere lark
austere lark
narrow snow
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I have never said you’re wrong.

austere lark
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It is pretty easy tho to get 15/15 of the lore pieces tho

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And now they added another run through of the areas

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So in total its 10 mandatory runs per area

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4 pre credits

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4 to recruit the bishops

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2 for bishop relics

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And no you cant get both relics in one

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The second relic run unlocks 10 days after the last relic quest of the bishop

narrow snow
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That’s when you take the bishops back to their temples?

austere lark
austere lark
narrow snow
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We always underestimate new runs. I was projecting neo to be like 9 hours and we both threw like 12 at it.

austere lark
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Fair

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Original estimates tho for super were at 15 ish hours

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And mid run i had a friend run an estimate and that came up to 14-15 too

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Cus iwas at some 50% by 7hrs

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Iirc

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Tho with this one

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17-19 wont be a surprise

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Simply cus theres more shit locked behind ???

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And thats bs

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Tho maybe faster cus of rerolls

narrow snow
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I remember save scumming when i did neo.

austere lark
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I did not even know about that

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And then agian in my neo i had great luck

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But in super it was so bad

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And i swear they made keeping the cult alive post sins harder

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They had to have done that cus 25 followers was hard to keep

austere lark
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They made it so if you meditate while collexting inspiration from the totem it insta collects all

narrow snow
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That’s nice. It was always possible to collect while meditating though so not the most significant

austere lark
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Yeah true

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But now it stops halfway and grabs the rest instantly

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But only for the totem

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Nothin else

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Which is just funny

fleet totem
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man i think I discovered a bug that can help in speedruns where can i post it ? i dont have recordings but i can explain what happened '-'

austere lark
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Whats the bug tho

fleet totem
# austere lark Whats the bug tho

In short, I killed a bishop, he dropped 45 times his drop, and at the same time "tried" to break the chain on the door of the one who waits 45 times, which allowed me to kill the one who waits without killing 2 of the 4 bishops.

austere lark
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what the

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so kinda bishop duplication?

fleet totem
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yes

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but i dont know how that happened

austere lark
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wait and he gave 45 times the drops

fleet totem
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yes

austere lark
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like 45 different alters?

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and 45 different chests

fleet totem
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kinda

austere lark
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...

fleet totem
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it was only one chest that exploded in drops

austere lark
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i see

fleet totem
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yes i got 45 heretic hearts

austere lark
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i need to replicate that glitch rn so we can get more tears rapidly

fleet totem
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there is a catch

austere lark
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ofc there is

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whats the catch

fleet totem
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the game tries to break the chains even when all of them are gone

austere lark
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i dont see the problem

fleet totem
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and the game kind of freezes trying to do this in an animation

austere lark
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theres teh problem

fleet totem
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but

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i discovered how to "manouver" it

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i did this (i posted on redit so this is what i said there)

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stay 1 step before the animation trigger (using the d pad) and then I would put the analog stick all the way forward to take a big step, but one frame before the lamb reached the trigger in the middle of the walking animation, I paused the game and activated the co-op that triggers an animation in the middle of the chain animation, which prevents the game from freezing

austere lark
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tahts

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a lot

fleet totem
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I'm starting to think this happened because to identify spies I named all the followers: a since spies have normal names and not a letter

austere lark
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ok

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thats kinda werid

fleet totem
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it is weird but it is efficient in identifying spies

austere lark
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i mean you do you

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if you wanna name em that go ahead

fleet totem
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man i will mod my switch just to dump my save game for someone to analyze it

austere lark
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wait, switch?

fleet totem
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yes

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I play on switch and on pc

austere lark
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i hope its not a switch only glitch

fleet totem
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yes

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me too

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but it can be related to the game beeing more "silly" on switch

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the best case scenario of it beeing a nintendo switch related bug would be the frame rate

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but the worst case scenario ... could be because Nintendo switch can't handle cult of the lamb very well

austere lark
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probs

fleet totem
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and i can tell that at least when i was playing the game behaved a little funky

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not to mention the giant loading times

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and the several times the game crashed or froze in an animation

austere lark
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rip

keen sigil
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that 45x would probably give a ton of divine inspo and god tears with zealous weapons but it was on the switch, soooooooo, probably not gonna happen

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though it could be great for a 100%, probably not too much for an any% cause you would still need the 20 followers, idk how much that would save really

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but defo interesting

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if you can record that and recreate it that would be amazing

fleet totem
graceful garden
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Bruh they better not allow this gliche or make a different cattagory if it works this is way too game breaking man sub 25 sub 20 might be plssible with god rng skill and that bug it just ruins the game please make it its own catagory if you can replicate it

astral dawn
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it would probably just be in the unrestricted category

keen sigil
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I don't think a sub 20 is possible at all, if you could do that on a perfect any% unrestricted run, while it would likely be faster, you would still have to get followers, around 12 more from what you have by the end of that on average, sub 40 might be possible

graceful garden
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It should still stay unristricted either way that just ruins the game but i see a tas getting up to sub 35 whith peak rng but that would be insane but its a nice reference as a limit

keen sigil
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mhm, still would be an insane almost halving of wr

graceful garden
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But sub 35 with that skip if its replicatable would need actual rng of of the rooms and the attacks of the anymis things that save secends is what i mean by peek rng

graceful garden
astral dawn
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could be the most consistent thing in the world once we figure out repro

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we don't know till we try

keen sigil
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for sure, but it happened on switch, sooo.....

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if it does become repricatable only on switch, a seperate catagory might need to be made lol

graceful garden
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Im a gud bug runner if he can tell me what happend before he kiled the bishop

astral dawn
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if it's that specific yeah

graceful garden
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Bit

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But

astral dawn
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i am a qa tester as my profession

graceful garden
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It might not safe that much time

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Qhat if it cant be done on leshy?

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We need more info ill try some stuff

astral dawn
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even if it could be done on leshy you'd need to farm followers to get to narinder

graceful garden
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I dont have nintedo though

graceful garden
astral dawn
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yeah for sure

austere lark
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SO

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turns out you can now skip follower recruitment thing

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(i cant remember if it was possible before)

graceful garden
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Wtf

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Wtf

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Wtf

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Dude

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So now where just ignoring the game completly are we?

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Tell me how

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Dude

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Fuck me

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At this point we might as well walk through the gate and skip the narinder fight

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Just make a mass bugs catagory please

crude yoke
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scoom

astral dawn
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i don't wanna sound like i'm rushing anything, just curious. how long does it generally take for runs to get verified?

keen sigil
#

mine has been waiting for almost a week, its been pretty dry recently in terms of runs it seems, so the mods might just be getting to it

keen sigil
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also about my 100% run, im only hold rn, my bf is coming over for a few days as well as college starting, so in a week or so is when ill kick it back up

austere lark
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I got 2 weeks before i can start my neo run

buoyant granite
#

I skim read through everything so correct me if I'm wrong - we think there's a new glitch that you can get duplicate bishops defeated checks/broken chains in 2P? Someone give me the TLDR on that lmao

buoyant granite
austere lark
buoyant granite
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Like skip the spawn in and indoctrination animation in your base?

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OH WTF

austere lark
#

I clipped it and forgot to send it

buoyant granite
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BRUH PLS I NEED THAT

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AND YOU STILL GET THE FOLLOWER???

austere lark
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Its legit just walk along the wall

austere lark
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Lose the follower

buoyant granite
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Aaahhh ok

austere lark
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But pretty good if youre grinding for resources

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Or not in the mood for more followers

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Rerolling rhe reward still works thankfully

buoyant granite
austere lark
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Iirc yes

buoyant granite
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Ooohhhh interesting

austere lark
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I cant remember exactly

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But you dont even go out of bounds

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It worked in anura

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Idk bout other areas

buoyant granite
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Was this on downpatched or current patch?

austere lark
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Current

buoyant granite
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Hmmm

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Interesting

austere lark
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Also im pretty sure my latest file is an impossible 100% now

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Cus i cant get one building

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The knucklebones table

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If i need to beat all 3 guys again its possible

buoyant granite
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Have you opened that file in downpatched versions and then come back to current version with it?

austere lark
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No

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I opened the sins of the flesh neo file

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On current patch only

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So pretty much i have never downpatched so far

buoyant granite
# astral dawn i don't wanna sound like i'm rushing anything, just curious. how long does it ge...

It depends a bit, there's only a few of us and we've been used to it being very dry over the past while so we will need to get back into the habit of checking through stuff again. It'll also depend on the category of the run and how competitive it is for top spots. Potentially if we see enough interest coming back to runs of the game (which early signs already are indicating yes) I will bring it up with the other mods to see if we may want to open up mod/verifier applications again to help speed up the process a bit LambAdore

austere lark
#

Heres the steps

  1. Selct follower node in map
  2. Walk backwards
  3. Walk towards the r exit while hugging the wall
  4. Exit
buoyant granite
buoyant granite
austere lark
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Kb+m

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Its all i use

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Like im pretty sure its just an oversight on the devs end

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Where they made the combat encounter area smaller

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But i havent ran enough to know if its replicateable

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Also did we reach a consensus on the god mode run?

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Cus ngl, i feel like that would be faster by like an hour max

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Less total inputs

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Makes tears easier to obtain and bers fleece the best

buoyant granite
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what exactly does god mode change? its been ages since ive played properly i cant remember

austere lark
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Infinite health fervor and forced weapon spawns

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So you can force only one type of weapon

buoyant granite
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this is all so exciting tho finally the game revival ive been waiting for and new things discovered!!! FastDance

austere lark
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Cant force the exact sub type like the inspiration or poison ones

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But you can force if its axe hammer guantlets or whatever

buoyant granite
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hmm yeah ok

austere lark
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If we get god mode

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Im so back to the run

buoyant granite
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do you get infinite faith/happiness/hunger etc on the cult side of things too?

austere lark
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No

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Tho tbh with infinite health

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You always get +50% resources

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Since no health lost

buoyant granite
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yeah true

austere lark
#

So im assuming gold fleece also keeps the combo mult goin

buoyant granite
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me personally i would like to see it, itll just depend on whether or not we want it in main category or seperate category

austere lark
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I see it bein a subcategory as better

buoyant granite
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yeah im probs agreeing with you there

austere lark
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Cus itd be a more scuffed version of proper

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And tbh itd make the game easier

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But tbh

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With 100%

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Ill take the small wins

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That make it easier

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Hell in both neos that i ran at around the 50% mark i get mega sloppy

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Stupid deaths and damage

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Even losing really good runs

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And with me and my crashes that shit adds up

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Which im yet to test out

buoyant granite
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cause lets look at some other games like portal or other source games with console command windows, im pretty sure most 100% catagories in those wouldnt allow noclip or god mode correct?

austere lark
#

Maybe today i test them live on stream

austere lark
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Tho then again, most of those runs arent over 10 hours long

buoyant granite
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like obvs this is a bit different given its an accessability option rather than dev toolkit, but the intent and premise still stands

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this is true

austere lark
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I agree with ya dez on that one

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Them being there but also optional

buoyant granite
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hmmm this is a very interesting conundrum lmao

austere lark
#

But like really out of the way to be dev tools

buoyant granite
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im very torn haha

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@livid basin thoughts on this?

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also what other games have similar length 100% catagories?

austere lark
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Im of the opinion that since its accessibility its allowed, but since theyre more game changing than auto fish and shit, id say seperate category

austere lark
buoyant granite
#

cause I might go have a chat with their mod teams and see what they would think if they had the same accessibility options available

austere lark
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Nvm

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Smg 1 242 is only sub 11hr

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For wr

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Smg 2 is only sub 9

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Thought itd be longer

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Mario oddessy?

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8:3x:xx

buoyant granite
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smo 100% is 8:33

austere lark
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Loz botw is just under 17hrs

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For extended

buoyant granite
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hmm yeah ok

austere lark
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Tho they get 3 breaks in 18 hour pool

buoyant granite
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and ig theres a lot of combatless grindy stuff in that too

austere lark
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But they pause the timer

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Im assuming pausing timer and having a long ass break

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HOLY SHIT

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TOTK IS 1D

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Nvm

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ITS 2

buoyant granite
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jesus christ ACNH is 1D 2H 10M for all golden tools lol

buoyant granite
austere lark
buoyant granite
#

animal crossing new horizons

austere lark
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Oh

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Wtf

austere lark
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1 day for v1.0.0

buoyant granite
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yeah im looking at it now holyyyy

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this is what they define as 100%

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for totk

austere lark
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Yeah…

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Wait what other rougelikes are there

buoyant granite
#

thats what i was thinking lmao

livid basin
austere lark
#

Tboi is useless to check since they have a racing mod

austere lark
livid basin
buoyant granite
austere lark
buoyant granite
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were you leaning a particular way on it so far?

austere lark
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The 100% is a category extention

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IT TAKES 4 DAYS

livid basin
#

I have been thinking of anything goes category which could include the God mode stuff

buoyant granite
#

yeah thatd be pretty cool

austere lark
#

Yeah…

buoyant granite
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is there anything else that we'd add into that ?

austere lark
#

Dude isaac doesnt even mention breaks

livid basin
#

I think some jrpgs take like 8-12 hours for a any% finish

austere lark
#

Yeah

austere lark
keen sigil
austere lark
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Yeah but creative mode gives flight (faster than sprint jumping) all the items and potions youd need, access to shortcuts and infinite eyes

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Minecraft speedruns take mere mintues to 3 hrs tops depending on the run

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Creative lets you avoid all gameplay

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Cotl still forces combat

keen sigil
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okay i said it was kinda like it

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i get that

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but like

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no, i dont think it can be used in regular catagories, def needs to be a special one, no question in my mind

austere lark
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Fair enough

austere lark
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@buoyant granite

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here it is lad

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BEHOLD

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THE COMBAT ENCOUNTER SKIP

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ignore the dougdoug video in the background

livid basin
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dougdoug our beloved

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I do feel like that background noise works very very well

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"ILLEGAL!"

fleet totem
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before I forget when I killed Kallamar and he dropped 45 times his drop, he was in the exact bottom left corner of the arena, now that I'm thinking about it, it could be the game's fault for trying to trigger the animation of picking up the heart in a place where Lamb can't walk, like outside the walkable arena

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im trying to find a logic in this '-'

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I'm linking this bug with the possibility of it being because the game didn't understand the walkable area of the arena, because sometimes when I picked up follower poop in the corner of the cult, the lamb would try to walk to the non-walkable area of the cult and would walk against the wall infinitely (I discovered that using behh he stops walking and the game returns to normal)

austere lark
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i swear at work i get ideas of shit to test

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but i forget by the time i get home

astral dawn
# austere lark

that's basically the same as the follower skip at the beginning of the game but it looks way easier. does it let you keep the follower?

austere lark
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no

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you dont get the follower

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no combat = no follower

graceful garden
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Ill still do any% if its somthing minor like that

graceful garden
# austere lark no combat = no follower

So only usefull if the only path that dosnt require another set of rooms has the follower thing and your on shamura and already have enough followers for narinder nice skip to know but kinda usless spedrun wise

austere lark
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oh big time on the useless part

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especially in neo

graceful garden
austere lark
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in any% every second counts

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in neo

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every shred of sanity counts

graceful garden
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Oh cmon its just up too 20 hours if you suck thpugh lore can be boring and so can other stuff ive done worse not to discredit it but dont make a bigger demen of youre monsters

austere lark
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lad when they add more unlockables to the cosmic trader

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my dread grows

opaque palm
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Im super new and I js killed leshy and im lowk confused cause the mini boss destroys me

buoyant granite
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if only we could replace cotl in game sound effects with dougdoug sound bites lol

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but goddamn that clip is wayyyyyyy easier than first follower skip lol

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and yeah could be extremely useful in any%, especially if you get good rng with followers early and have unskippable combat follower nodes in a crusade later

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holy shit im actually buzzing with excitement rn hahaha

austere lark
austere lark
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Or am i remembering really poorlu

buoyant granite
# austere lark Wasnt the first one you gotta go oob?

not oob, but you had to roll out of the enemy dialog trigger radius when entering the room, hug the side of the wall and then kill one of the frozen enemies from behind as to not trigger their dialogue, which will then break the room and allow you to just leave

austere lark
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Oh

buoyant granite
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its the one skip trick that is easier on controller than kb+m lmao

austere lark
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Yeah ngl never tried it before so i forgot what it was about

buoyant granite
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yeah i rarely get it on runs cause 1. i stick to keyboard and 2. i never learnt how to do it properly and consistently so i just kinda suck at it lmao

austere lark
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i tried controller for cotl

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never again

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ill only do it if i can use two bers fleece at once

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like tbh with coop mode the only real complain i have is teh camera

astral dawn
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I've been exclusively playing on controller so that's just what I'm used to