#💨・speedrunning

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austere lark
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But the rest ik where i fucked up

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Tho the inability to q warp has cost me at least 50s for sure

daring tartan
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do you not have it autostart?

austere lark
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Tutorials i realised in the same stream after the run that i can turn them off

austere lark
daring tartan
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would you like to

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this was the small relic which is worth it because you move faster

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wait do you do more damage as giant???

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:O

austere lark
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I couldnt even tell bout that

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I thought giant just meant area of attack up

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And are those size changes for the set of rooms, room or crusade?

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Ideally on the other hand, lightning strike against amdusias can 1 shot, that ik from experience

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Idk bout thr others

austere lark
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That woulda saved me a lot of time then

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Poppin them instantly

daring tartan
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also you have timed RTA

austere lark
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Yeah

daring tartan
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so its def below 10 minutes

austere lark
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Its ltr ik

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Rta theres at most the few ms before the black screen went away

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Im hopin thats just enough time

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Also, how rare are sword and fireball seperately

daring tartan
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dunno lol

austere lark
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Like seriously

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30 runs

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And not one sword or fireball

daring tartan
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i think that was a penitence glitch

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i had the same thing with hounds of fate

austere lark
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Either penitence or my game being itself

daring tartan
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and swords

austere lark
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Since even for the neo i dont think i ever grabbed a single sword

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And that was just quick dtart

daring tartan
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also you need to learn how to do the gaunlet spam

austere lark
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Yeah

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Getting used to the timings slowly for that

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Cus i used it against leshy in another run

daring tartan
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nice!

austere lark
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And also, idk if i ever said it but FUCK THE AXE

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That is my worst weapon to use

daring tartan
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fuck the hammer

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its terrible till you get to boss

austere lark
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Aiming one way

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Then press a direction and boom

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Miss

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Idk how it is with controller

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But id rather have another set of keys to press like isaac to determine where im attacking

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Rather yhan wasd to aim it too

austere lark
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Also, anyone else feel like the tentacles curse are a bit glitchy

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Cus they intercepted vales jump one time

daring tartan
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im not sure

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thank you devs for penitence!!! Trying to run without it at this point is so aggrivating as there is so much RNG to deal with in leshys realm its unbelievable

daring tartan
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Not to mention I shaved off 15 whole minutes BC of it

austere lark
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lol

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personally i still wouldnt try penitence for neo cus im shit

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and had like 4 deaths

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at like hour 8-9

narrow snow
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Why have we never thought of a Reunited% ? Get Alm and Baal back to their mother.

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Would require beating TOWW, completing at least 2 more crusades for god tears, and then using a summoning circle to take the kittens to their mother.

Between the summoning circle and unlocking quicker rituals to completion 2 sacrifices there’s a lot of pieces to consider.

austere lark
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Idk tbh

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I guess there could also be doctrine% or Allform%
Both depending on the version of the game

narrow snow
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Doctrine% like delacre a doctrine? That you have to do specifically after DW2?

austere lark
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I was thinking more like unlock all of them

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So could turn it into max doctrine and doctrine

daring tartan
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I worry sacrifice% will become obselete

austere lark
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Cus no one ran it in a while?

narrow snow
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That’s kinda the shame for us with these massive updates. The game gets these massive changes that totally alter how runs get done

austere lark
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Fair

livid basin
austere lark
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isnt sac% just beating any 4 bosses to unlock sacrifice

livid basin
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Basically yes

austere lark
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yo guys

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just got an idea

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anyone know how to downpatch on steam?

modest stratus
austere lark
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explain

livid basin
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but there was some other way by using steamdb

austere lark
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blindness once again

open cypress
austere lark
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not that easy to do since certain routes have specific strats that may be improved or fucked with due to updates

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hell some strats are only avaliable in certain modes the file is started in

livid basin
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Downpatching is an option

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or just not updating

austere lark
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yeah

daring tartan
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penitence allowed me to take around 15 minutes off so that was crazy

full latch
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Is cotl beatable within 100 days? (In game)

buoyant sage
full latch
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Ah yes than I’ll definitely be trying this

austere lark
narrow snow
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By a mile. My 100% run (before RotOF) ended before day 30

austere lark
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my neo 100% ended on day 51

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coulda ended earlier but im too shit at the game

austere lark
daring tartan
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Hey iron we know the mods are terrible here so the less I have to see of them the better lol so stop 🛑

austere lark
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k k

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i was just curious to see how far up that stick is

daring tartan
daring tartan
daring tartan
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this is cool!

austere lark
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im sorry, what?

narrow snow
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Someone just discovered recycling.

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Every time you get a new weapon or curse you can recycle the old one for a coin/god tear shard.

austere lark
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i get that

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i just wonder if thats gonna be useful at all

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cus i dont think the frames used to pick up the new weapon would be worth the 1 coin/shard

austere lark
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ok

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just gonna ask

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why are there no any% quick start runs?

livid basin
austere lark
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fair

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shoulda seen that second part comin

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i cant exactly do the penitence

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cus it crashes

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each q warp

livid basin
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damn, rip

austere lark
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so imma quickly do one run of that

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i swear

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all my leshy% attempts lost like 50s each to loot

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thats a new one

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game crashed while going to dw 4

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recon i bullied him too much in leshy%?

livid basin
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Leshy gets his revenge one way or the other

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but tbh, it was you who didn't see that coming this time

austere lark
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ahh yes

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because i definitely expected the game to crash

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THIS EARLY

buoyant granite
daring tartan
austere lark
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And early omnipresence making it easier to get back to the cult

austere lark
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I swear to god i need to figure out why the game has these crashes

livid basin
austere lark
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3 times

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Uninstalled after neo

livid basin
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Hmm... I see

austere lark
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And i cant use omni after a boss is all

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Omni anywhere before a boss, perfectly fine

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Omni after beating up any boss, death

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Leaving the cradle after beating shamura, death

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Kalmar does it randomly

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Going to leshy was the first time yesterday that i crashed

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And i did send a bug report tho no one said anythin back

livid basin
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Dev team might be busy fixing the sex update

austere lark
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yeah

crystal viper
austere lark
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the moment heket crashes me, thats when its over for speedrunning this game

daring tartan
austere lark
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idk tbh

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i mean with task manager keeping track of shit

daring tartan
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you are the only one i have heard having an issue like that

austere lark
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i saw no spikes

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like the game takes 30% on everything

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but gpu maxes out at some 60%

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and cpu doesnt even pass 100%

daring tartan
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you wanted to do a christmas race?

austere lark
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yeah

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i do need to try down patching tho

daring tartan
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what catagorey would should it be

austere lark
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cus all this happens on newest patch

daring tartan
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any% seems like it would be the most accessible

austere lark
daring tartan
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100% any% ?

austere lark
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*or

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forgot to add that

daring tartan
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i hope more people do it because that would be so fun

austere lark
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same

austere lark
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wow

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a new weapon

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cant wait to never see it in any run i do

daring tartan
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sex update and alcohol and guns for christmas

austere lark
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the american dream

daring tartan
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Did we decide what we would call the new catagorey for sins?

austere lark
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iirc we just came up with ideas and never concluded

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this is where it ended

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looks like we voted

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but not its not concrete

daring tartan
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Sins% Relics% 🍎
Super-Neo 🔥

livid basin
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sex%

daring tartan
daring tartan
# livid basin sex%

Unless you meant that was a new catagorey and not just what we will call the name of the new update runs

livid basin
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New misc most likely

daring tartan
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It could replace sacrifice

livid basin
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Sac can just sit there, no need to remove it per say

daring tartan
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Closer to the time I think you should do a proper big vote in announcements

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Did you have any thoughts about changing the breaks times - even if just for neo

livid basin
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Let's have a vote about that one. I'm personally more skewed towards 30 mins every 2 hours, since that would take less effort from me

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Vote up

daring tartan
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41 seconds

austere lark
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think so

daring tartan
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thats crazy i had no idea lol

austere lark
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Also i do wonder if using midas for more money and the white wriggling stuff is actually worth for a neo or is it just better to use the alternate to the main totem

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Juat wondering since its already a money hungry run

daring tartan
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I think the ferver strat is better

austere lark
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i mean mainly in case you run out of runs and still dont got enough inspiration

daring tartan
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you can do the ritual that spams u with money

austere lark
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true

narrow snow
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You should still do multiple small visits since the cost for devotion goes up exponentially

austere lark
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yeah fair

daring tartan
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You gonna post your time @swift geyser ?

swift geyser
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Soon still haven't opened the game the steam update is slow af rn

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11:58 min leshy% since I got horrible rng luck

daring tartan
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good job tho!

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leshy has the most rng its crazy

swift geyser
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yeah

austere lark
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yo got this bro

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cmon

swift geyser
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thx

daring tartan
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if i were to use beserker for bishops% how many times do you think i could die

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I guess we will just have to see

austere lark
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Once or 4 times per crusade max

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Unless you use the bug with tthe card that gives an extra hit

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or you get the incincivilty blast

daring tartan
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the card?

austere lark
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cards that give soul hearts

daring tartan
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I wonder if it works with spirit hearts

austere lark
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It was the spirit hearts OP got

daring tartan
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would it work with paean

austere lark
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according to teh mod

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yes

daring tartan
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lets give this a go then!

austere lark
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ehh fuck it, imma see if it crashes me if i try this

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only run i had with teh bers fleece actually did no hit weirdly

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and somehow

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the game managed to load a save with me not even trying to load shit

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or you know, forgot u gotta get lucky to get the card

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btw, opal, how much did you use spirits in your run?

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SPIRIT LETS YOU KEEP THE HEART

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FOOD DOESNT

austere lark
daring tartan
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But I really not feeling up for it today lol

austere lark
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fair

daring tartan
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But it seems like it's possible to significantly bring the bishop% down if it all goes accord to keikaku

austere lark
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keikaku?

daring tartan
austere lark
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good grief

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tho ngl, this does seem pretty funny to do

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ill just do it with my language and english

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only the arabs will understand me

austere lark
daring tartan
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Heh 😎

austere lark
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i think the only annoying part would be getting unlucky with follower forms for certain spirits

daring tartan
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I feel like I'm getting good anyway at hitless so that's good

austere lark
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nice

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i need to figure out the timings and get a better understanding of unity jank and hitboxes

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cus i swear, attacks that should hit, dont

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and attacks that shouldnt even touch me, hit

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also gotta know why the sword and fireball curse refuse to spawn

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like seriously

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in neo

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not one sword popped up

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and none of the leshy% attempts

daring tartan
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Could be wrong tho

austere lark
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thatd be goofy

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oh wait, it is goofy

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cus an actually decent weapon doesnt spawn

daring tartan
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I heard on the grapevine that the next sneak peak will ||involve sozo somehow||

austere lark
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couldnt find one with mushroom

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but you get the point

austere lark
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wait

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you dont think

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we get a c-side to the areas now

daring tartan
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What do you mean?

narrow snow
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A third run through areas. With Like eligos 3

daring tartan
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I think that the bishops were right about reversing death destroying the world and thats why the game is so buggy right now

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but also for real I think its going to decay more and more

daring tartan
austere lark
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Bugs o plenty

austere lark
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Ngl with the fact you gotta keep leveling up followers for spirits to be good and go through the process of giving them to become ghosts idk how worth the time it is

daring tartan
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what levels do they go up

austere lark
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From what i saw

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Per follower level

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A detriment to bishop%

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Tho useful af for 100%

daring tartan
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for faster crusades

austere lark
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damn

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also totaly didnt forget you can now bless multiple followers at once now

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instead of one by one

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tho i wish collecting the level was automatic

austere lark
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or you could do it to a group

daring tartan
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Are crashes subtracted?

austere lark
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idk

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i hope so

daring tartan
# austere lark i hope so

so it seems that the demon is linked to the character - so valefar will always be vosegus and you only need to level him up once for the purple

austere lark
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So its not even based on follower form?

daring tartan
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i have not tested that but i dont change them in the run so I dont know

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i suppose i could test if you wished me to

austere lark
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Try

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Maybe certain forms result in soecific demons

daring tartan
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ok

daring tartan
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Regular valefar will seemingly always be vosegus - but copies of valefar will have different ones

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in the same way aym and baal are always paean

austere lark
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I see

humble lynx
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Hey quick question, do speed runs use stop time on crusade?

buoyant granite
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Depends a bit on what category you're running

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And also when in the run it is

humble lynx
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What categories use it? I click the rules tab thing and it tells me to check the rules for each category but I'm not seeing a seperate rules button

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Like idk what NMG is or what penitence entails

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Maybe I'm just not seeing the proper spot for this stuff tho

buoyant granite
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If you're doing a run where you need multiple sermons to unlock various upgrades then no, but if you're doing an any% run or smth that you aren't needing any day-based events or purchases then it's probably best to stop time then so the followers you have made sick or hungry during crusades don't die as quickly, especially on higher difficulties

buoyant granite
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I believe you're free to toggle it on and off freely during runs unless the category your running had rules explicitly stating otherwise, @livid basin can you confirm this?

buoyant granite
# humble lynx Like idk what NMG is or what penitence entails

No major glitches (nmg) is essentially just a run that doesn't abuse any of the major skips we have, such as early Midas, follower dupe or talisman dupe, this really is only relevant for downpatched runs tho as these glitches have been patched out of the game since, and we haven't really been able to find any other huge game breaking skips for later versions (but we are always on the lookout for new ways to break it open!)

humble lynx
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Ohhhh ok

buoyant granite
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As for pentinence, this is a new game mode that was introduced with one of the latest updates that essentially introduces a hunger and sleep meter for the lamb which you need to consider replenishing throughout the run too, it also adds a quick start feature that skips the entire starting tutorial part of the game which saves a bunch of time, somewhere around 10 mins or so I'd say but I might be wrong haha

humble lynx
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Ohhh the survival mode

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Wait so why isn't quick start the standard and we deduct tutorial time from current runs?

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Like Mario Sunshine

austere lark
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quick start isnt as fast as penitence

humble lynx
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Wow it's wild I just opened discord randomly to check and you started typing

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LOL

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But can't you quick start penitence? And even so penitence is a seperate category so that wouldn't be relevant right?

austere lark
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pentience gives you the warp ability which lets you exit crusades the moment you indoctrinate bosses

humble lynx
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Cause quick start is same as any percent minus the tutorial section yes?

austere lark
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quick start is auto on with penitence

austere lark
humble lynx
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Once again I'm referring to quick start with any percent

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Pentinence holds no relevance here

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Different category all together

humble lynx
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So why seperate the categories, why not combine them and either reduce tutorial time from current runs or add tutorial time to future runs

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Mario Sunshine does this

austere lark
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well you see

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quick start just isnt the most reccomended way to play

humble lynx
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And why is that

austere lark
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only thing i can think of is that quick start and shit were added later on, people found penitnece to be faster so they play penitence and skip the quick start runs

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and so those old runs were kept as their own thing

humble lynx
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They should really work to modernize the board and make quick start the preferred option imo

austere lark
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again, quick start aint the preffered one, its penitence thats prefered

livid basin
daring tartan
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Neither quick start or penitence have to worry about tutorial stuff

daring tartan
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And there were timesave glitches in the tutorial to do

buoyant granite
# humble lynx They should really work to modernize the board and make quick start the preferre...

Unfortunately it's not that simple cause of how the game plays out in both scenarios. Both ways you still have to get through 4 crusades to reach leshy, but in non-quickstart modes they weave tutorial sections of dialogues and pre-determined rooms and stuff in throughout but still randomised where they sit cause it's a roguelike, and also different people run through all sections of the game differently depending on what strats they are going for, how they are wanting to route their run and other things too, so it's not really as simple as just removing the tutorial sections of the original runs to make them all the same

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Also another thing I saw a bit of confusion with earlier - we used to have two separate categories, one for quick start mode (without pentinence) and then one for pentinence (cause whenever you select pentinence mode in game it automatically turns on quick start and you can't turn it off). We eventually got rid of the quick start by itself category cause most people that were wanting to run one of those two preferred pentinence cause it was essentially exactly the same run but you had omnipresence auto-unlocked in pentinence which just saved even more time

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That mixed with having time pause on and easy difficulty meant you barely had to manage the lambs hunger and sleep if at all, it's been a while since I did a run of that category I can't remember lmao

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But yeah hopefully that answers some questions haha

daring tartan
daring tartan
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Oh boy the beserker fleece is magnificent

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Only problem is: it's too fast

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It doesn't give me enough time to get a level 10 follower easily

austere lark
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lmao

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even if ya start leveling from the start?

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what about gifts?

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or is that worse due to wasted frames on the freeze

daring tartan
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I will probably need to rely on gifts more

austere lark
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wait how far in the inspiration is the confession booth

daring tartan
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tier 3

austere lark
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hmmm

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recon thats viable

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its one way to be able to level up a follower further and be able to give the follower gifts without having to deal with the hordes

daring tartan
austere lark
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rip

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doctrines would already make shit slower than they need to be

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or would ya recon theyd be better?

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like bribe is can be unlokced instantly

daring tartan
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it will be trial and error

austere lark
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and maybe sermons can help level up

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granted not by much

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but it can go to getting stronger stuff (even tho you dont need much stronger shit since bers)

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also, just wondering... im not the insane one thinking a sermon a day is giving me a soul heart right?

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(and i already tried, they dont get taken to the crusade... its seems as tho the health is brought to 1/2 heart after loading in and the spirits give their health up after loading in or before the flag to not allow more health pickups is set)

daring tartan
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Stuff I can use - followers with a natural high devotion up - devotion necklace - sermons - coins - gifts - confession - faithful doctrine

austere lark
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you mean loyalty?

daring tartan
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whatever it is

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the level one

austere lark
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its loyalty, the white flowing stuff is devotion

humble lynx
daring tartan
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sorry it was a bit unclear ;;

daring tartan
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hope we all have a sinful christmas!

austere lark
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happy christmas lads

swift geyser
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Merry crisis

daring tartan
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and a fleshy new year

amber crypt
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And a pranky April's fools day

wraith mauve
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e

austere lark
daring tartan
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happy new year everyone!!1

austere lark
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happy new year

amber crypt
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Hbbynewuwar

buoyant granite
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happy new year fellow cultists!!!

daring tartan
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My current goal is to either get leshy% or bishops% down

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Or both

austere lark
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Id do that but i fuckin cant

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Im stuck waiting for the new patch first

austere lark
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WE FUCKING WIN THESE

austere lark
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I shouldnt be celebrating these

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But

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I AINT THE ONLY ONE

spark gust
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Hey for speed runs which difficulty is it?

crude yoke
austere lark
daring tartan
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This seems to be common in kallamars realm

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It happened with the regular ala's teeth too

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I think its the exploding ones that cause it

austere lark
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seems so

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what seems to have happened is the relic struck the two bombs and gone into recharge mode
the bombs hit each other which killed them and hit their offspring which blew them up as well
thus stacking enough damage to recharge

daring tartan
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Would have beaten neo last night but Shamura's skull decided not to spawn ;;

austere lark
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Rip

austere lark
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tho that is weird

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i had all the bishop's relics spawn instantly each time

daring tartan
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I think it was a bug

austere lark
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most definitely

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reloading game did nothing?

daring tartan
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I gave up lol

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But I found the auto relic thing so it wasn't too bad

austere lark
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Yeah

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A new viable relic tho with the enemies being launched randomly i do doubt the reliability

daring tartan
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I think it will just be something to keep in mind if you have the lightning relic in kallamars realm

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I have a feeling it would work on shamura's eggs too

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maybe ive seen it before but can't remember

austere lark
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HMM

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could be interesting to look into

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if only we had access to a debug mode or somethin

dire pike
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guys

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any advice for speed running?

austere lark
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try running leshy% to get a feel for how to be quick and learn the weapons well

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during these attempts try to get the highest possible dps which most of the time is attacking, instantly rolling and attacking again

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for example for gauntlets, youd end up constantly doing on the third hit which has increased speed, range and damage than the regular 3 hit one

dire pike
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yeah i can see it being a bit rng based with the random weapons

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do I need a new save each time for that?

austere lark
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yes

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tho leshy% doesnt take that long

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10-20 mins

dire pike
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ok

austere lark
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then when you feel confident enough

dire pike
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I'll go later to check the other categories

austere lark
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try to go for any category

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my only word of advice is do neo100% if you know you can waste a day of your life, that run for an experienced runner took 8 hours

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and do penitence mode too

dire pike
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Zamn

austere lark
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penitence has the fastest possible gameplay because it skips any midrun encounters with the bishops and skips like 99% of cutscenes

dire pike
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oh interesting

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isn't that the one where you need to eat?

austere lark
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yes

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tho, youd end up eating so little depending on speed and difficulty that it doesnt matter

dire pike
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there is a different category for each difficulty i assume

austere lark
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yup

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at most, difficulty just reduces damage outpuit

dire pike
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i know. I usually play on Hard but certain bosses get too fast...

austere lark
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fair

daring tartan
dire pike
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sounds lovely

daring tartan
dire pike
#

sure

daring tartan
#

;;

daring tartan
austere lark
#

Never thought its a possibility

daring tartan
#

got a potential scammer on speedrun.com dont click links if you get any

austere lark
#

lmfao

livid basin
#

I'd just block these types of messages and not even answer them. Even answering them can be enough to gain intel that this account works and increase value of the interaction. This is why sometimes there are callers to your phone who just hung-up instantly. Not every phone call, sometimes it can be genuine, but most likely nowadays.

austere lark
#

so thats why everyones like dont respond

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i usually just dm them "keep yourself safe" and other colourful words

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or my more prefered method

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fuck with them

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till they give u[p

daring tartan
#

Just a heads up since it was on speedrun.com and I knew someone names Monica so it there was a little bit of a "hmm maybe" for me but if it was her she would have given more detail lol

austere lark
#

lol

austere lark
#

ok random ass thought, yall never tried to see if theres a way to activate mediations speed up effect without staying in the meditaded state

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right?

austere lark
#

also, i tkae it no one has seen my last submission, right?

daring tartan
#

Finally sex will be real in 8 days

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Im determined to get a neo in that time

buoyant granite
daring tartan
#

Oh what was it?

buoyant granite
#

Leshy% if I'm not mistaken

daring tartan
#

@swift moat I private messaged you and if you could get to at some point I would be very grateful

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or @signal cipher when you are available for a discussion

austere lark
modest stratus
amber crypt
#

F

inland bough
amber crypt
#

Guh

inland bough
#

She kept complaining about how she didn’t like that she couldn’t discuss certain topics, kept leaving and saying she was going to make her own 18+ server but kept coming back anyways to complain some more 🤷

#

And she asked us to ban her

buoyant tree
#

More or less yeah

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It had nothing to do with Opal pinging mods lol

#

We don't ban people for that, never have

signal cipher
#

Unless it becomes spam

amber crypt
#

It's so fucking funny that three mods and completed each other's sentences

#

Lmfao

livid basin
austere lark
#

braincell sharing? nueral link? both are the same for the mods

austere lark
#

yo

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who wants to meditate

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and make the update release now

austere lark
#

Yo lads

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Got an idea

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Can only do it on the 6th

#

Can yall quickly 100% the new update

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And write the guide on whats the new stuff pls

buoyant granite
#

im on a uni trip till the 5th lmao

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so i will have like 3 days to play the update before i leave haha

austere lark
#

hf bro

bleak condor
#

go fast

terse ruin
#

Hi

austere lark
#

yo

austere lark
austere lark
#

yo btw, the new dlc pack, that includes a fleece for once, right?

#

i need to know what it does

sacred flax
#

just cosmetic, similar to the heretic fleece

austere lark
#

oh cool

#

thats good to know

#

yo @sacred flax while you were here, can ya explain these two

Knight Armour: heart demon drops once you unlock Tailor.
Fancy Robes: absolve Sin from Follower 5 times. is this one meant to say "from the same follower"?

sacred flax
austere lark
#

thanks lad

sacred flax
#

sure thing

austere lark
#

for the fancy robes i thought the same cus of somewhat similar wordin tho had to be sure

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but the knight armour

sacred flax
#

yeah i genuinely have no clue either it's muddy in explaining so i'll have to see it for myself in what it actually means

austere lark
#

and one last thing

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are the totems for the lore guaranteed to spawn in the crusades

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or is it random if they do or not

#

pls i just need that one checked out

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cus it can either be the biggest life saver or the biggest pain in the ass

austere lark
#

cus out of 4 runs ive done, only 3 gave me lore tablets

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the one that didnt i didnt focus on breaking decor

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and im just hopin thats why

sacred flax
#

i'm not sure, i've made a new save so i'll be exploring that as well

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will have to update you on that when i see them

austere lark
#

thx

buoyant granite
#

In postgame once all the doors are locked again, will every mini boss reward you with a follower again?

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Cause I fought one last night when I tested something quickly and I didn't get a follower, just a god tear

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It was when I was running berserker fleece and 3 hit the boss so idk if I broke it or something

sacred flax
#

they don't give you a follower to my knowledge, just the god tear

buoyant sage
austere lark
#

Oh

sacred flax
#

one tear for minibosses and three for bishops i think

austere lark
#

Yup

azure pollen
austere lark
#

Ok, THAT may be the most broken thing possible

azure pollen
#

Fornax momment

austere lark
#

What level was the follower

azure pollen
#

Hes lvl 13

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This was before sins of the flesh

austere lark
#

Oh

azure pollen
#

So he stuck lvl 13 now

austere lark
#

Ehh still good

#

Down patch is possible

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Wonder if usin the necklace woulda done anythin (that is if there is a necklace for it)

azure pollen
#

He has had the golden skull necklace for a while

austere lark
#

I meant a necklace to make the demon follower better

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Idk, never really looked into the gifts other than to get their level up

sacred flax
#

there is but it's only a flat +2 level up

#

and i think it's a post game item from ???

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other than that there isn't much

austere lark
#

I dont remember the damage for fornax

#

But it might just be crazy enough tk be busted

sacred flax
#

i managed to actually look at fornax and they basically have a base damage of 5

#

the calculation is basically 5*follower level with a follower level checking if a demonic necklace is present in which case it adds 2 more levels

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so a level 10 ends up dealing 50 damage

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this is assuming in a vacuum so no modifiers

#

i may be wrong though so if anyone else knows their value to correct me please do

azure pollen
#

What about a lvl 13 without the necklace?

austere lark
#

65

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Again without the damage modifiers

#

Cus then you got a million other factors

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Like difficulty and shit

sacred flax
#

yep

azure pollen
#

True

sacred flax
#

here's the block of the damage calculation

#

the demonic necklace is in a separate one for follower data

austere lark
#

Wait, you got access to the code?

sacred flax
#

not exactly its entirety but yeah got a tool

austere lark
#

I see

#

Was gonna ask if you can check on the code for the shamura boss door

#

Cus no matter what, whether it is the first thing i do in the day or last thing, it always crashes

#

And now i have a save file that cannot be completed cus it doesnt even save

austere lark
#

And too look into the quickstart mode code to see why swords and guns dont spawn there

sacred flax
#

well i'll have to look a bit as they aren't explicitly named

#

may i ask for the save file that has the issue? i'll also check it out and see what can be done with that

austere lark
#

All three

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Like its specifically after the reward screen

#

And for a few other events too

sacred flax
#

this was even after verifying the game files too?

austere lark
#

Yup

#

Reinstalling, verifyin

#

The whole shebang

#

Turned off shadowplay

#

But no part exceeded 90%

sacred flax
#

damn

austere lark
#

Need me to link the bug report i sent?

sacred flax
#

sure

#

though this might be a first i've heard of this one

austere lark
#

Bro fr?

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Its been happenin to me last dlc too

#

And other people too

sacred flax
#

yeah i don't see this bug often

#

usually it's the doors during crusades i see but not the unlocking one

#

not that i doubt you or anything it's that i haven't heard much about this bug

austere lark
#

Nah this one is wgen loadin cult hq

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One guy quite literally rage quit cus he couldnt get to TOWW

#

Ok rn i cant link it cus im on phone

sacred flax
#

i think i can check your past messages and find it there

austere lark
#

Pls do

austere lark
#

Cus theres a few events that have either halted progress forcing me to retry crusades or not even get past em

#

Yup

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Tho i reposted the last one for sins patch

sacred flax
#

yeah i don't think i recall seeing these before

austere lark
#

Damn

sacred flax
#

i'm not sure what's causing this either so your best option is to check the player session logs

#

they'll be in the same folder as where you find the save and backup folders

austere lark
#

Oh

#

I see

#

Ill check when i get home then

sacred flax
#

not sure what's going to appear but chances are they'll likely record the crash

austere lark
#

Aight

#

Ill look at the logs when i get home

sacred flax
#

sure thing

austere lark
#

Need me to dm it to ya or somethin?

sacred flax
#

yeah sure

austere lark
#

Cheers bro

sacred flax
#

i wish i can help but i'm as lost as you are

#

is anchordeep and silk cradle the only ones doing this?

austere lark
#

Gonna need like 2 hours before i send it

sacred flax
#

oh i might be asleep by then

#

it's 11 PM for me lol

#

it's fine you can drop it and i'll check when i can

austere lark
austere lark
sacred flax
#

yeah it's fine no rush

#

so the valefar crash was main game?

#

i'll have to test it if i can replicate the issue

austere lark
#

Again, omnipresence after any boss

#

Rather than specifically vale

#

Thats just the only one i can remember off the top of my head

sacred flax
#

i got a penitence save saved so i can try that when i get up tomorrow

austere lark
#

Cheers

#

I was boutta send one of my runs that had the issue happen live

#

The omni one

sacred flax
#

i'll check on something for a bit regarding the penitence omnipresence

austere lark
#

Aight

#

Thanks bro

sacred flax
#

yeah i checked some reports regarding penitence and the omnipresence interaction and got nothing

#

i'll still be testing it out despite that

austere lark
#

Its only after beatin the boss

#

But not takin one of the three rewards

austere lark
#

ok

#

so anyone got any clue the path to the save folders?

#

im in the cotl folder rn

buoyant granite
# austere lark so anyone got any clue the path to the save folders?

Windows: Hit Win+R and paste "%appdata%/../LocalLow\Massive Monster\Cult of the Lamb\saves" without quotes. It will be the slot_0.json file if it's your first slot, slot_1.json for second, slot_2.json for third.

Mac: From Finder up top, hit Go > Go to Folder... which will default to Library, then hit Application Support > Massive Monster > Cult of the Lamb > saves. It will be the slot_0.json file if it's your first slot, slot_1.json for second, slot_2.json for third.

austere lark
#

cheers lad

sacred flax
#

okay so something i noted with one of my penitence saves in silk cradle is that it also leads to a black screen even if i died, might have to check again if the result isn't because of something else

#

tried doing the omnipresence in post game and seems to be no issue, will have to try main game with this alongside the silk cradle one

austere lark
#

Try a new save then

#

Again, for most its not an issue

#

Its just weirdly mine that this happens a lot to

sacred flax
#

how is your game personalized to screw you over damn

austere lark
#

Idk

#

I lost like 30 mins in my wr to the no-save crashes

#

And another run i lost a min to not being able to use omni

#

I mean it might be the games way of saying “fuck you” for having the first file be a very hard one

#

And then having a buncha people just leave the cult

#

Cus i had no money, no food or materials

austere lark
#

umm

#

so are the json files meant to be inelligible?

#

cus all of these are

#

its just this

sacred flax
#

you'll need a save editor for it to be decrypted into actual text

austere lark
#

oh shit

#

thanks

#

so where would the crash report be

sacred flax
#

i don't think the game has its own generated report so you'll have to find the player session log

#

it's in the folder where the save folder is located

austere lark
#

oh

sacred flax
#

they'll be named as Player and Player-prev for the recent and second recent game session

austere lark
#

gotcha

#

ill go kill shamura and do the penitence thing rq

sacred flax
#

sure thing

austere lark
#

cus last time i opened it i just looked for some lore

buoyant sage
austere lark
#

i feel like i went to the wrong folder here

livid basin
austere lark
#

yeah

#

sent the localLow files to the mod

terse ruin
#

You’re next

austere lark
#

nope

strange pine
#

has anyone tried beating the game in reverse?

frail ether
#

No

neon jetty
#

tried speedrunning for the first time, got 12:30 real time on leshy %, pretty fun

neon jetty
#

downloaded livesplit, ran again!

crude yoke
#

Nice dude!!

neon jetty
#

thanks! Gotta figure out OBS once I start getting times closer to being worth posting

neon jetty
#

turns out that second run was incredibly lucky with zero extra forced fight areas in the entire run. Haven't gotten as lucky since.

livid basin
neon jetty
#

are most folks using youtube or twitch vods to post PBs?

austere lark
#

twitch

#

save the highlight and its done

#

and theres no need to store all the clips on pc

livid basin
#

Personally I'd prefer if people use yt, it is much better for archiving runs

#

So people can go back to the runs and see strats etc.

austere lark
#

ill switch over to yt again when mine doesnt have my personal info anymore

neon jetty
#

got a sub 10 but OBS wasn't recording even though I thought I'd set it to record. RIP

livid basin
#

Nice

austere lark
#

nice

neon jetty
neon jetty
#

rip, run isnt eligible this time because I was listening to a podcast and don't have clear game audio.

austere lark
#

Rip

austere lark
#

Need my game to stop crashing

lost dune
#

Can someone gives tips for me?I need to get better at the game

austere lark
#

uhhh

#

git gud

#

try easy mode to get used to weapons

#

do not get heavy attacks early as they leave you vulnerable for way too long

austere lark
sacred flax
austere lark
#

aight

#

take your time bro

#

just wanted to know if somethin happened since

austere lark
#

Cool

granite elbow
#

So what exactly are the categories for speedrunning?

narrow snow
#

Any%- reach the credits
100%-unlock every in the base game
Neo-100%- unlock everything in Relics of the Old Faith
Super neo 100% - unlock everything in Sins of the Flesh
Leshy% - defeat Leshy
Marriage% - complete the marriage ritual

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Sacrifice% - complete a sacrifice ritual
Bishop% - Indoctrinate all the bishops

austere lark
#

i might be able to run super neo soon

#

only need 3 days to go

#

or should i wait till the crashes are resolved

#

the ultimate dilemma

craggy bay
#

whats the current wr for bishop%?

#

curious cause that sounds actually insane

austere lark
#

the slower of the WRs did it in some 16 days

storm cloak
#

already done but i did use other fleeces but maybe being on the hardest difficulty makes up for that

austere lark
#

difficulty only determines how much damage you deal and thats it

#

on src it is a diff sub category

livid basin
#

Unless they have changed the i-frame stuff

austere lark
#

never nooticed the i frame changes

#

but the cult management is hell on higher difficulties

livid basin
#

You get like 2 secs of i-frames on easy difficulty, but only 0.5 on the highest

austere lark
#

damn

#

most i really recall on higher difficulties is it not bein as worth to run cus you start with 1 heart

#

so 2 hits and youre gone

#

ez if you can dodge

livid basin
#

Yeah, Kallamar is much more difficult because the i-frame thing. Your HP ban can just melt if you are not careful

austere lark
#

but you need to dodge and kill

livid basin
#

"just win"

#

ez game

austere lark
#

i dont even remember how i beat kallamar on my first file

austere lark
#

literally 52 days is the longest possible time one can spend on a run

#

atm

storm cloak
austere lark
#

im curious as to see how much more/less time super neo will take

#

ill do some trials tomorrow

low glade
#

Evening all, how is 🙂

livid basin
#

Hello, just woke up

slim merlin
#

Hi! 👋 I’m about to go to sleep FollowerSleepy

austere lark
#

LAST EXAM IS OVER

#

EZ

narrow snow
#

I find it weird that people are always like can this be done in under 100 days? Cause the game is not that large.

sharp trail
narrow snow
#

That’s reasonable. Especially on the newer updates.
But those that are doing speed runs have a couple dozen hours of experience at least and are most likely not dying once.

austere lark
#

and ya die a ton

bright lark
#

I tried speedrunning but failed

austere lark
#

try again

bright lark
#

Oki

#

I failed the speedrun so I pretty gonna stop speedrunning

terse ruin
#

what's the record for the glitchless run

buoyant granite
#

any% easy nmg record is 1h 10m 48s

narrow snow
#

What about the penitence mode? Cause that’s also done with no glitches.

buoyant granite
#

pretty sure thats around 55:26

bright sleet
#

Anyone know if super Neo, includes the follower forms you get only by eggs? An also I'm guessing ya gotta unlock all the clothing too, ya?

livid basin
#

The idea is to unlock everything that sticks

#

So no, one does not have to catch all fish nor make all the meals since those won't stick

bright sleet
#

Screaming crying, shitting. Had my last Neo run on extra hard down to 15 hours before the update. Good to have some more challenges added, tho. Lessgoooo

buoyant granite
livid basin
buoyant granite
#

Yeah, I can't remember if there are more talisman opportunities then there are fleeces to spend it on or not tho

austere lark
#

seems like someones goin for super neo before me

#

good

#

ill have somethin to aim for

subtle dust
#

There's also Sozo and Midas' requests

#

Declaring a doctrine only to use it once may be inefficient

#

then again, if you've got the fasting ritual there's not much need for the harvest ritual

frail cave
#

would you guys consider this game speedruns active?

modest stratus
bright sleet
#

As soon as I figure out how to do that live split stuff, imma definitely post. Light the only thing missin

buoyant granite
#

if you ever need any help setting up stuff like that feel free to ask! a lot of us here have had a bunch of experience and are more than happy to help LambAdore

quartz ferry
#

merb

glacial lintel
#

does relics of old faith count?

buoyant granite
glacial lintel
#

nothing i accindently write it here sorry

livid cedar
#

What does the Neo-100% category mean? Like, what is the objective of the speedrun

livid basin
#

or unlockables

austere lark
glad shard
#

wonder what they'll call it when a new update comes out

austere lark
#

all i hope is for less grinding

#

and that you can find stuff like the lore bits more than one per run

steep hawk
#

Just started speedrunning any%nmg any tip and trick for a newb

livid basin
#

Ignore cult management as much as possible

austere lark
#

the cult is useless

#

only required to open doors

crude ruin
#

since sotf added completion percent tracker would be cool to make a low% category

narrow snow
#

That depends on what counts for percent and if the route needs to be changed to avoid percentages.

austere lark
#

im betting ideally we try to find a way to not have to eat, which means, running through somethin like deepwoods and gather some 20 followers that you indoctrinate at once to unlock all 3 doors then try to access toww before they start dissenting

#

dark woods is the best place to farm from since you dont unlock many materials from there

#

berries and a few others

#

aint gonna do much

#

anything with the inspiration grants % i assume

#

anything with sermons and tablets is to be avoided too

#

tho itd be interesting to see if it is getting the tablets that does it or not

#

all the locations are off limits too

#

since you can buy shit from there

#

getting decor or forms is out of the question

#

so the follower farming is gonna be huge

#

beat shamuras place after dark woods since it is the longest and has the highest follower count

#

end at beating leshy

#

if you dont beat the bishop, the area would still be in its neutral state

#

however you cant keep farming a run without killing the witnesses

crude ruin
#

you also could probably clone followers with that one glitch

austere lark
#

i heard it was patched

#

but then again

#

cloning webber will result in even more % due to the decors

inland hamlet
#

Yo. Guys I'm making a roblox group

austere lark
silver badger
#

Who made this?

austere lark
cursive atlas
#

I finished my first cotl speed run at just over 7 hours

buoyant granite
#

Keep on keeping on and you'll only go up from here!!

cursive atlas
#

Thanks

austere lark
#

yo guys

#

thoughts if i do this?

buoyant granite
#

Insanity but I'm here for it haha

cosmic wyvern
#

the version for speedrunning is different than the modern update im guessing, so how to switch back versions?

austere lark
#

you can run any version you want

#

if you want to down patch chekc pinned

bright sleet
#

Anyone have a easy video on how to put in that timer speed runners use? I downloaded it but GOD DAMN, it looks VERY intimidating

cosmic wyvern
#

any idea what the 100% speedrun name will be next major content update?

cosmic wyvern
#

that didn't embed

#

there we go

bright sleet
#

Yes! Thank ya!!!

austere lark
cosmic wyvern
#

thats my guess

austere lark
#

still lamentin best manga creators death here

livid basin
#

super-neo-100%-over-9000

austere lark
#

lmao

#

thats the last update

#

super-neo-3
super-neo-god-super-neo
ultra-instinct-neo

#

THE-LEGENDARY-SUPER-NEO

cosmic wyvern
#

pretty sure that would be a 90 speedrun

#

hour

austere lark
#

Forneus, do you love your sons?

austere lark
#

30 max

#

cus what i can assume is the sins update only added like 3 hours of content

#

with all the sin points

#

idk i havent opened cotl in months

cosmic wyvern
#

then about 40 something hours if that stays the same

austere lark
#

ill try to do a run in summer

cosmic wyvern
#

im talking your run

#

the uh mega anime 100%

austere lark
cosmic wyvern
#

im excited to see your super neo 100% tho

austere lark
#

cant be that bad

#

ill need to pracitce the game again for a week

cosmic wyvern
#

It would require 6 new commandment stones, new follower forms, and new blueprints, I think thats it not much progression just fun conetnt

#

so 2 hour extra max and thats pushing it

austere lark
#

the main problem is getting enough sinpoints from alcohol and sex

cosmic wyvern
#

drum circle gives one every day, and confessions give 70% sin to one person every day

#

and sex takes sin sadly but you will need golden eggs for follower forms

#

and poop drinks give 50% sin

#

still a lot of time but not too much

austere lark
#

defeating 3 bishops early is ideal

#

preferably before the 1 hour mark

#

disciples will help a ton with collecting inspiration stuff

#

leads to some automation

#

and by the time the third bishop dies

#

bars, confession booth, the drum circle and the alters should be ready to be built

#

along with the ritual of auto build

cosmic wyvern
#

do you need all follower outfits?

austere lark
#

if it contributes to the %, its going in the run

#

and im pretty sure devs havent patched penitence locking out sword and gun

cosmic wyvern
#

when you did neo did you have a written planner that you were using?

austere lark
#

no

cosmic wyvern
#

first of all DAMN

austere lark
#

i literally looked up a few of the last quests mid run

#

while waitin for things

cosmic wyvern
#

second of all might be nice to (sins of the) flesh out the quickest route

austere lark
#

and tears werent the biggest problem

#

cus i finished those in time

#

i was just missing the inspiration stuff

#

AND I DIDNT EVEN KNOW ABOUT MEDITATING TILL PINEAPPLE WAS LIKE "WHY DONT YOU MEDITATE TO SPEED UP TIME"

#

AND THAT WAS LIKE WHEN I HAD LIKE 20 MINS LEFT

cosmic wyvern
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well I just learned something new about this game

austere lark
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Look if you wanna see all the prep i had for the run

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Go from when i joined the server till end of september

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Trust me its not a long history

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i decided to do it like 3 days before i joined the server

buoyant granite
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So a lot of runs of the game end up being starting with a rough general structure that you follow but ultimately end up being how well can you think and adapt on the fly with so many possible options that could save or lose even a few seconds each but add up pretty quickly

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Also there aren't that many people that have been brave enough to tackle a 100% run of any capacity (myself included lmao even tho it's on my list to attempt someday haha) so the amount of data we have of what has gone into failed/successful attempts is pretty limited, in saying that tho we are doing the best we can with what we've got LambAdore

pure drum
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I think 100% would be too much.

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So much lore and miscellaneous things to do.

austere lark
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Thats why my crazy is gonna try it

austere lark
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Random islander did it

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And i had the crashes to slow my run down by a good hour or so

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Idk i cant remember how long

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But tbh if im gonna try super neo all i ask is for at least an option of one long break

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Where i can sleep through the run and not have the timer tick

narrow snow
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The lore added to sins of yhe flesh is definitely the most brutal part. There’s what like 15 pieces of lore that have to be collected one per run?

austere lark
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yup

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only 20 possible runs to get 15 tablets

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idek if you can find them in purgatory runs

austere lark
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and i say 20 cus its only in post-game

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and ideally you do only 20 runs

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4 per area to get the bishop

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1 to get the relic and witnesses

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or were they 2 runs for witnesses and relic

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i cant remember

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i did part of the run while being completely out of the run

cosmic wyvern
austere lark
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Im plannin the super neo for summer

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But i need a weekend to do it

buoyant granite
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cant wait haha

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oh also I forgot to mention but I'll be running CotL any% unrestricted easy at DreamHack Melbourne 2024 next month! The run will be on <t:1714209300> (subject to change, I'll keep you posted), and it's looking to be a killer weekend filled with incredible runs all over and even featuring an Interactive Speedrunning Stage for DreamHack attendees to learn some cool runs and tricks from some of Australia's finest and fastest!

buoyant granite
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omg i totally forgot that existed LMAO

modest stratus
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that might be important and cool

thick granite
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anyone else only do the cursed speedruns instead of the main one

buoyant granite
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i would never dare haha

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i will one day when i become insane enough lmao

austere lark
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what could be worse than neo

livid basin
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neo inc. the whole purgatory

austere lark
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so glad it is not a thing for super neo

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its not right?

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right?

livid basin
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It is not

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Since it is not part of neo

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I have been thinking doing separate category for all the purgatory runs, but I'm lazy and there aren't enough active members to make it worth it

austere lark
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TAHNK GOD

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Q

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tbh only person i knew crazy enough to also try neo, i lost contact with her

pliant nest
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spid run

livid basin
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Cheater! Reeee
||/j||

austere lark
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Yo question, if i have a simple script to just press esc after 15 mins to end the break when theyre up, allowed or no?

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Hell ill even send the code here if need be

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Ill even try to do handcam if need be for that

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Or should it be still manually inputted

livid basin
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Just have second timer running on the side. The timer is more for making sure the footage is continuous

austere lark
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aight

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cus was plannin on keepin the same set up as i did for neo but when i take breaks, it unpauses the game for me to allow time to pass

livid basin
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Sounds like a TAS

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ree

austere lark
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fair

modest stratus
modest stratus
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WOOO GL @buoyant granite

modest stratus
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you did really well @buoyant granite

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kinda ass run but you did well on commentary

austere lark
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gg dez

buoyant granite
modest stratus
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im tempted to run the game to prove how ass the run was

buoyant granite
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Yeah I was tryna make up for the lack of a commentator for this one which I think got me less focussed on the game and played shitter

modest stratus
buoyant granite
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Which paired with one of the worst rng combinations throughout the run I've seen was kinda nuts tho

modest stratus
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like that whole run was entertaining

buoyant granite
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Lmao haha appreciate it 😊

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That's one of the hardest parts of commentating for this run is that there's so many things to talk about and they all happen so quickly that when you've finished one thing 10 others have already passed lmao

modest stratus
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yeah

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definitly a interesting speedgame if you can pump time into it

buoyant granite
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Fr tho

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Given I'm the only Aus runner (that I know of) it'd be cool if this gave the game a little bit more exposure and we could get some new blood pumping in the community