#💨・speedrunning
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i mean its frustrating to me
ok t hat sucks for you dude
it kind of just underlies a disrespect lol
and your response makes it clear that you do not care
if your gonna be upset about it this is a public discord server and im not disrespecting you
you shouldnt
then why are you here xdd
your acting like i want your time
i mean i get being the funny lil toxic gamer or whatever but like
i just wanted a answer
i thought this was all about being effecient with time
yet you waste yours arguing
youre just being annoying to people you dont know in a community youre interested in joining xdd
then why ask questions?
cause questions are questions
then do ur bad routes and do it alone!
why try to contribute?
:D
ok ill do my bad routes then
o/ kk
o/
ill break your pr in less than a few days bro
gl
Mine? Probably. I'm bad lol
no shovel
I don't think shovel has done a ton of runs either lol
I mean my PB was like 1:28
and then I started getting into other games and doing way more verification stuff because no one else was
ill just get into gdq
and then hayu fucking OBLITERATED the queue
and then who cares because im in gdq
anyways huff copium and play the game the way u want but frankly we dont want toxic sweaty gamers in our community
im not in ur community lmao
we want good gamers that make the community fun
i never said you were i just said you werent welcomed here
imagine speedrunning a game just to say "I'm not with them"
...i mean i feel like im repeating myself a lot
Disrespectful, toxic, "I don't want to be in your community", "Other runners are just npcs" (or at least that's what it read as)
speedrunning it because you guys are calling my ideas useless lmao and then getting pissed when i say the same about yours
i was just saying shit cause i didnt feel like typing
i dont think any of us said that?
i said that... after... your behavior???
my behavior?
I mean, my original answer to your question was if you had tried silk cradle without golden fleece or weapon upgrades. This was because if you haven't, you don't know why golden fleece is so good
how dare you reap what you sow
you were just being passive agressive
in which idk why
its a lamb game but you be you tbh
Adam are you running down patched or current?
ur the one who called the ideas of much more experienced people here stupid with very little insight as to why we made those decisions
patched
or most recent version
depends
im trying to find a new run that doesnt utilized gold fleece
trying to find a way around it
Knucklebones% :]
any percent though
we were gonna implement different categories for whatever fleeces but i think it wasnt really popular
i fucking refuse to believe one item gets you through a rouge like
1.0.11 or later is downpatch (full power golden fleece is the big diff). 1.0.12 has capped fleece, current patch is current patch
if your'e not using golden then I don't really see a reason to not run CP
Maybe Current could see use with Curse-Fleece, but who knows
golden fleece is THAT broken
unless they fixed tp glitch?
start believing it ig
They reverted back to 1.15
yeah, current has a lot more options.
gold fleece is actually such a boring run
But Tele glitch will be patched more than likely
i mean i think if we just accept that maybe we should test ideas before saying them blindly then everything here isnt a problem
im finding a faster way
can you explain?
I wish you luck
i personally think its really hype
But I doubt you beating Golden Fleece without ... Golden Fleece
rougelikes are fun to watch because you never know whats going to happen
once tp glitch gets fixed we'll need a third category 
no-hitting is mega skillful if u gotta do it fast
watching some guy use a non rng item that guarantees sucess is kinda zzzZzz to watch
i dont think this game is like many rougelikes in the first place though
Then don't watch it?
I mean, isn't that speedrunning?
i dont like rougelikes generally tbh
bro why cant you guys accept the fact that im looking for something new
but this game i really enjoyed bc the rougelike elements were pretty mellowed
This is the first roguelike I've ever played, and mostly .. it doesn't even feel like one
i mean none of us are saying you cant
good luck finding something! make the game faster that'd be sick idc how tf it gets faster
but like
we've tested and our findings have been that golden fleece is fastest
if you wanna write me out as bad i guess ill be a dickhead if you want me to be lmao
I love roguelikes, but every speedrun of one I know either ignores the rng because it's negligible, actively gets around them via rng manip, or goes headfirst because they're gamechanging
ok
dude holy shit
and while fun, the rng in this game just isn't that impactful
your victim complex is massive and all i said was be a bit more respectful to runners' ideas
and to research before blindly saying stuff
you just always attack me ngl
especially since the first like what. 6 crusades? Dont' even have rng of weapon
the ironic gif
almost like its intentional
Adam, you walk in having contributed nothing and then shittalk
what did you expect
xdd
i am serious about finding a new route though
ironic
2017 mario oddysey vs now is a venture
stay offended idc lmao
xdd
I don't even play this game anymore LUL
Hey an idea just crossed my mind for a category. Boss rush %
maybe im coping tho
elaborate
I haven't done a run in a while but I do plan on getting back into it. dota and job searching and making a game myself have eaten my time really hard recently lol
i'd like a boss rush but i think we'd have to mod the game for it
^
Like AllBoss%?
You p much bossrush anyway lol
which isnt impossible bc iirc this is a unity game But
All 5 bosses, shortest time possible just area hop and break open the statues ?
I mean my brother made an aimbot for Gunfire Reborn which is on unity
you speak not knowing I DONT EVEN OWN THE GAME
there is a modding community
ahhh i think that makes sense
its actually pretty active
That's basically just Any% then?
could i get a linkie
sure
I literally don't care about your personal life. I care about how you treat people in a community that I enjoy being in
Any% without the levels yea.
Ah then yeah how they explained. Would need a mod
There was a category I thought of the other day but I forgot it :]
would be interesting
boss rush could be fun but i dont know how i feel about it being a category
Like I said was just a random idea that could be fun
i dont particularly like categories that require mods
no one has put a death% run in #🏆・pb-posting and it makes me sad
speedrun mods can lick my mutated toes ngl
though technically any% does fill it too 
wow bro you really got me
I haven’t seen that one before what is that category?
arent you a sonic fan?
What entails a Death%? just die asap lol
damn im really owned now
how do you feel 18 misses in a row from your franchise
death% is a meme category that exists in most speedruns. Die asap.
Sometimes it's gameover%
yeah im obsessed
That's funny cause your first death is free. Is that included in the category or no?
can you guys take this to dm please
Alright. Game on give me a few minutes. Ng+ or new file?
It depends. Actually getting a gameover could actually be optimized
which would be funny
who is he
he
Risk of Rain 1's death% was like 6s was very funny lol
illusive
That's oddly impressive
neon white's death% (white falls down the stairs and dies) is under a second if u shuffle
ok ror2's was even faster holy LOL
iirc its .750 something
Time Alive: 00:03 LOL
True, so whichever you think would be better I’ll go get fired up for a run lol
I mean it's not actually going to go onto an official leaderboard
Oh no but for all memes sake
you die in the first cutscene
but I do have a meme leaderboard I get going
you get health during the first actual crusade right?
then why hasnt anyone done it 😡 😡😡😡😡
yeah
you can't die during tutorial land
still not too hard
gn
gn shovel o/
Sooooo new file by the sounds of it?
Night shovel
you wont be
thats a few months out tho
lmao
wish you luck shovel
GL bud
also shoutout to the other person who submitted cotl publicly i cant remember their name
I was gonna ask if multiple people could
More people that submit, more chances it will be on
ya ofc
maybe we should convince Dezi to
Dezi might have problems with timezones
probably way more private
Oh is it still remote?
game submissions close tonight iirc
I was assuming you'd have to fly there LOL
Id love to play CotL on GDQ but I lack the skill and the time lol
hes doing online gdq no way
ah
whats the point in doing gdq with shovel then
tldr is florida bad for covid safety measures and they cant move without losing A Ton of money
wouldnt they just take a better online run ner
Id need a lot more time to just program my brain to lamb up a hurricane of swords and Wool
ill get on my main and submit runs for gdq if they do it online what
Do they like, get sponsored by florida?
I can't imagine them getting less money if they move it for like 1 year
huh

huh
its like 3h long right
2h20m w/o loads
sounds about right
Alright loading a new file now for Death%
gl lmao
on speedrun?
from ground zero brand new file 7:23.22
Lol I would love to haha
Yeah probs couldn't fly out lmao
But if it's online I could potentially do it
My sleep schedule is already super fucked so I could make it whenever hopefully
But yeah I'll submit a req too if they're still open
ok so it looks like we can submit in the second submission period too (cause its for new games only)
which is from Nov 6th - Nov 12th
yeah so submissions for first round close in under 2 hours, not sure ill be able to get mine submitted by then (may need to record a run with a bit less aussie swearing in it lmao)
I think they didnt want to also because of there view on trans people
@grim kayak ur so lucky i got softlocked randomly
haha omg
I've got a new strat in mind but it's really rng and I've got no time to make runs 😬
Maybe in 2 weeks
Valefar in 9:51 is so good wtf
I did say GG signups were open - no one applied
what is the "their view of trans people" referring to in this?
Lol I just somehow missed this woopsies haha
i don't think it was JUST trans people, i believe it was there "don't say gay" policy
ah ok, it's the state's stance - thank you 😄
np
what is gg?
ahhh yeah
had a friend submit neon white for that
im just too busy to do marathons now
gdq is the like
one exception lol
awww
Version 1.0.4 on switch. Just in time for the weekend. Maybe.
yippee
Nope. Not getting a run this weekend. Just another week to try but not upgrade my pc.
sadge
I work a lot so it’s unrealistic to get a run during the week. Im a big MtG player and play 12-5 on Sunday which doesn’t give me enough time for the 7 hour 100% run.
So I have to do a run on Saturday and even then i really only have like a 10 hour window to do it in.
I sold out of MtG mostly to help find my wedding. However it has freed up allot of time for me lol
Yeah I stopped playing years ago. It's so expensive
as card games are
So.... Leshy% lol
is there livesplit templates yet
not really
we all kinda use different layouts
most people use the bosses as their splits
Trying to learn sacrifice% on current patch and keep losing a ton of time to the first few splits but I did get this accidentally so neat
Btw what is current patch wr for this catagory?
i am def following a non gold fleece run, i feel like the challenge of gold fleece is fun and exciting but also linear and boring for such a fun and random game like cult of the lamb
tip go to options disable tutorial popups
as for current patch wr i have No Clue
lol welp too late for that ig
I'll pb again with that info tho
sounds like a massive timesave
Also anyone know how many bones you get for the chest after the 1st boss of Anura?
around 24
you want to avoid taking damage during that area so you get extra rewards
oh wait bones
hmmm
i think its like 20 per?
ive never had issues with not enough bones
but might be give or take
yeah
u just gotta pay attention to how many you have
frankly as soon as you get 75 like
just get out no?
or whatever the actual number is
:V
If you play new patch it gives you the bones to prevent a softlock. Not sure about old. Regardless, so long as you lot the boss check I think it gives enough bones.
game keeps softlocking me after I talk to ratau for the first time and leave the room. just black screen. possibly related, the rocks didnt break when entering the room but i still rolled through them
I’ve found that if dialogue queues up an animation then skipping it has weird consequences. Maybe the convo idle animation is playing when you leave and that’s causing it? No idea otherwise. I’d try slowing down a tad and see if a particular sequence is breaking it.
you're skipping through toww's dialogue too fast
damn suffering from success
A similar vein of dialogue skipping, whenever one of the heretics shows up and makes you do the animation where you stare at the sky while your eyes bleed, if you manage to finish the dialogue before you reach the spot you will play out the whole animation anyway and lose like 5 seconds. You can even be attacked if they summon enemies during this time.
...you can do that???
yeah, I've had it done before
damn
though I thought you couldn't be hit
maybe i need to put more attempts into this game
at least in mine lol
when you have text animations enabled in settings it basically can't happen, but if you have it disabled and absolutely mash through the dialogue right before the cutscene then the game doesn't load the room properly and stone doesn't break visually and softlock
ahhh thats why its never happened to me
do text animations slow you down??
i havent noticed a difference tbh
probably takes longer to load them or something
having text animations makes each dialogue box need 2 button presses, 1 to skip scrolling animation and 1 to advance. without animations they load instantly and you only need 1 press. it probably saves only like 30 seconds in a 1h run (i assume, random number idk), but it's also much more relaxing for your button mashing finger lol
also funny how the boards were absolutely flooded but now there hasn't been a submitted run in almost a week
Yeah things to be calming down a lot. Unfortunately theres not a whole lot of depth to the run.
yea
i still think it could go sub hour if someone grindsets
but not enough competition for it rn
it's okay my agdq run will bring eyeballs on it at least 😈
I still think there's more ways to break this game
The main bottleneck is definitely not being able to get to toww without breaking the 4 chains and all that stuff but idk maybe there is a way to get into The Gateway without doing that
I feel like a tas knucklebones could be interesting. if there is a way we can manipulate the game to control the dice rolls
I mean yeah it's kinda just now a race to see who can get the best rng and use it to its fullest
I've been a bit busy with work and stuff recently so haven't been able to get many runs in
And I'm currently away on holiday too lmao
But yeah I reckon if we can successfully get it into agdq that'll definitely give it a better spotlight for people
Most games don't grow immensely on release
The game has only been out for a couple of months
I've been thinking of making an all in one stop shop tutorial video for movement optimisation, glitches and rng decision making to help new people get into the game easier
But yeah honestly I'm decently happy with nearly 50 runners in the time leaderboards have been open
That would be cool. Ive definitely thought about doing a 100% breakdown for one my runs. You know…if any were recorded.
I am tempted to do a 100% run one day on stream, but I kinds need a whole day to do one lmaoo
Yep. 7 hours.
that'll be cool!
\
do any of you guys have swag icons for livesplit dont feel like making them
i have one that signals what split i got the golden fleece on
otherwise i dont really like livesplit icons
I just looked up memes. Kallamar is a squid.
has anyone posted how to do glitches like these
i dont know any of the glitches, and im trying to do a nmg but i know there are still some, and are nmg runs valid for unrestricted as well
all of the glitches atm are p much "mash a direction and roll" or "mash interact while mousing over something" lol
that one has to do with mashing roll while holding away from where Ratau is going to spawn
if you finish mashing through his dialogue fast enough then you can act during the cutscene for some reason
@blazing forum do you guys require submissions without audio
idk if it affects anything or not
We require game audio
so if i stream and then just upload the recording im good
and we need it to be not absolutely completely drowned out
yeh
that's literally what I do lol
i mean ill just be talking so idk if thats drowning it out
ill most likely be explaining the run or what i know about it lol
naw that's fine
In my experience, it’s finishing the dialogue before reaching the conversation point. You can use this in base to good use on NMG.
If the conversation queues up an animation though (like when talking to bishops) it can cause issues.
theres no way i do my first speedrun then i softlock in the temple twice in a row
i dont have time for a whole run now fuck this game 😢
you have to be building from the bottom
you don't have time otherwise
if you're slightly late it locks
If this is the building grid for the temple always build on the tile I've marked in red, start holding up before the build is complete and then mash roll as soon as the build has finished
really random soft-lock, game froze on this frame
Finally ran a run in which I was on old patch. Despite having some of the worst RNG I've ever seen (impressively bad level gen, not enough shrooms or rare fish for fleece, made a mistake and missed lvl 4 weapons) I still managed to keep ahead of my record pace.
Right up until Kallamar killed me twice 😅
sounds about right
Old fleece is insane
yes
Kallamar is everyone's first wall, p much
Usually I blow him aside, so I was really surprised
first time I got dagger and worst possible map gen (I even recalled to re-roll and still got no paths with less than 2 dungeons between me and the boss) and took a ton of damage. That one was entirely my fault. Second time I got axe but managed to take damage to the very last enemy before him, so I fought with no damage boons and found out I don't actually know how to fight Kallamar 😅
So overall I need to git gud
But the fleece was just absurdly overpowered. I love it. Felt like having a cheat code enabled.
Wound up killing TOWW cause my time was screwed and I wanted the catharsis
I tried to use DepotDownloader to downgrade to the patch pre-cutscene fix, and it downloaded fine, but the game now crashes on the menu. Has it happened to anyone ? Should I redownload from the depot, maybe with a checksum at the end ?
Is the last version where you can skip cutscenes the one from 23 August 2022 ?
Hi, I'm up at 4 am being dumb to tell you that I think 1.0.13 was that one. 1.0.11 was full power golden fleece, 1.0.12 was capped fleece, 1.0.13 was half power fleece.
You can probably find the dates in #🎉・news-and-patchnotes
go to sleep
I haven't gone to bed yet 
technically you dont have to kill the run if you do this
just make sure to turn off the autosplitter reset checkbox, save during the softlock, go to menu, enter back
definitely loses time but is salvagable
especially if you only have x amount of time to do runs
Correct, unless you have fullfscreen marked (I think)
interesting
it happened consistently every time in a row
like its 100 percent soft lock due to some bug in my game
so i have no idea what to do, i might start running on a older version
i'd recommend it
downpatching isnt as intimidating as it seems
might make a video guide on it
just rq
What happens just before the softlock?
no
no
God drat. My niece’s birthday is being celebrated right in my window to try a full run. Im honestly getting to point if fuck it im going to try getting a run anyway. 2am here i come!
mood
Is it legal for NMG to unlock the door to Anura with 6 followers even though it says it requires 7?
Like does it have anything to do with follower cloning
metrick00's speedrun recording (mine)
example ^
Could be a coding error. Does it work like that on 1.0.11 patch?
Hmm... for me it is working correctly
I definitely recall once having to go into darkwood for a 7th follower one time.
i used to always go for 6, but then one time it wouldn't let me in so ive been 7 ever since
not sure what causes it
tried it, and it worked for me
using only 6 that is
and also just noticed this
i only have 6 but it says I have 8
possibly cause there are 2 followers un-indoctrinated yet?
definitely not, indoctrinated another and now its 9/12 with 7 followers
indoctrinated another, and now its 9/12 with 8 followers
so weird
Well, this sure is interesting
Did you do that thing to get fake followers to open the other doors?
nah I didn't do follower cloning. I bet its somehow related though
Did you get follower skip when you did your test run? I didn't and the door didn't open. Thinking if that could be it
i did do follower skip
ill try follower skip and see how many followers it says I have afterward
That one what comes to my mind, since it kind of messes up with followers
you might be right
nah that cant be right
ran it again without follower skip
this time unlocked it with 5 followers
I checked the follower count on the door before entering every crusade
entering DW2 it said I had 3 followers
then entering DW3 it said i had 4 (even though I had 3)
entering DW4 it said i had 5(even though I had 3)
then it just stays like that, always 2 followers ahead until I get 8 followers
then it says I have 9 followers (i have 8)
?
after another indoctrination it now says I have 11 (i have 9)?
another indoctrination now it says I have 11 (i have 10)
what in the world
Indeed
It then has something to do with DW2 and 3, or moving to them. Or could it have something to do with the temple?
im thinking temple
Because don't we use temple twice
maybe something about leaving while there are still followers in the temple
?
or leaving as followers exit the temple
Is this the dupe we have waited for?!
this could be big
Makes sense, since it'd works similarly to current dupe
tbh i havent done follower cloning so idek
also doesnt explain why it keeps alternating between 1 extra follower and 2 extra followers
You basically exit map/door room before followers despawn
as fast as possible
that is how that dupe works
ah ok then yeah it might be the same thing
But stacking that dupe could actually be extra broken, since we could run SC 0 followers
and I believe we can skip follower fights that way
if only we could skip the 20 followers for TOWW
Killing bishops resets that count unfortunately
with temple cloning it could work then
but if we can get some way to count how many dupes we can do with bigger mass to hit 20 without indoctronating all 20
would be huge
here is the clip of the temple, and after showing the extra follower
the second temple, showing circle skip aswell, then the two extra followers
its gotta be
when the player exits their base with followers still in the temple
i wasnt able to replicate it doing a sermon though
they just leave too fast
Whelp, it seems that we could have a new (way to do a) major glitch
How interesting.
Oooooohhhh very excitingggg
I'm out today, so I'll have to do some testing either later tonight or tomorrow
But yeah this could be an amazing development :)))
Ultimately we will still have to do all 16 runs and get to 20 followers so im unsure where the time save is.
if this is allowed in NMG I can see it being used to finish A2 a little faster. That way you have time to get both foxes before the end of the night.
cause youll skip two follower events and wont have to indoctrinate 2 followers
right now only the fastest runs are completing A2 before golden fleece
Oh right they get the mushrooms then quit out right? Since you have to go at night
you can fully complete A2 and still get both fox rewards
using omnipresense to leave is a different strategy aswell
for slower paces
Well, it is a sequence break, same as og follower dupe. We just didn't know what caused it. I'd personally put this to major glitch category, since it is functionally same glitch as follower dupe, if not just being a follower dupe but done in a different place
i mean follower cloning is giving you like 14 extra followers while this only gives 2
unless we can like farm it somehow
If we can get to consensus about this glitch, I'll go thru runs and move them away from NGM to any% to not waste any runs
its also sometimes hard to not do this glitch
like im not even trying to do it, and it still clones a follower
youd have to purposefully wait
or we could make a rule that in order to not disqualify/sequence break you must have proper amount of followers to open that door
Wouldn’t that disqualify the current follower exploit to get into silk cradle early?
Or is that not in current nmp
not in nmg
Follower dupe is banned for NMG
And yeah, it does seem to happen for the same exact reason lol
Alrighty. And follower duping is different then cloning.
Nevermind checked the speedrunning doc. Thought we had some way to indoctrinate identical followers
I guess my runs haven’t been NMG
I wonder if i can still do my intended route…follower counts are 7, 9, and 12… maybe…
Ill have to have 12 followers after 7 crusades. Ive been setting up the mind control ritual before AD2 when kalamar makes 5 followers sick and SC3 when you have to kill two followers. Its also a decent place to try getting the poop follower form since again no faith lose.
@modest stratus
Follower duping in church
THE DREAM (3 of 4 in 4 cast)
Rnjesus
GOD WHAT TRIGGERS THE POOP FORM?!?
What
eating some amount of poop meals iirc
also uhhhh idk if i am dumb but i dont know what this follower cloning method is but it is still follower cloning
i am also mega late
buuuut its ok to open things if u have enough anyways
Cooked and ate 10. The consistency is so frustrating. The strategy is going to have to be cooking a bowl on occasion to minimize faith loss.
Hello, could I please get some help with a bug I'm experiencing when speed running this game?
I was able to play the game and do regular attempts 2 patches ago, but since the last two patches the game will crash / stay a black screen when I enter the room after Ratau in the tutorial.
Has anyone else experienced this? Now when I uninstall / reinstall I still get the crash. I know the game is going to break when I hit the rocks to leave the first screen and the rocks don't do the break animation and the rocks are still there.
Livesplit is running, the game is in windowed mode 1080
I'm recording with OBS Studio. Thanks so much! I really like this game and the route is really fun and challenging. Thanks much ❤️
Could be because you're spamming though TOWW dialogue too fast
that was a problem I was having as well, it was because I was spamming through the TOWW dialogue too quick
ahhhh it doesn't register the "yes" button press to set up the other things calling / firing probably?
have you noticed it works when you slow down towards the "yes" option or is it just the text in general you think?
probably the "yes" button, but I just go slow during that whole dialogue to be sure
this seems to be a pretty common problem
trying now, thanks so much
probably should put it somewhere easier for new speedrunners to see, its come up many times
I can make a video real quick and post it and sticky it. This was sooo frustrating thanks so much!!!
I've been talking in the CotL speedrunning discord before I knew this one was here.. is there a section for specifically speedrunning the demo?
The demo board https://www.speedrun.com/cotl_demo
i think they meant in the discord 😅
Is there a separate server for speedrunning?
I thought they weren't trying to detach from the main
don't think there is
there is yeah, we're detaching
oh, huh
Is there a link somewhere?
mhm, check the demo SRC page
Here's a video that shows how to avoid the tutorial dialogue bug. Might be useful to folks, as before today I didn't know that that was what was crashing my game. Thanks again @knotty tusk !
TLDR; if you spam through The One Who Waits' dialogue in the beginning too quickly, then the room after Ratau will crash the game during the tutorial. just slow down and let the text load to avoid this.
I ran into a bug where the game crashes after the Ratau room in the tutorial. Thanks to ItzToxic for telling me how to avoid this bug. They mentioned it was a pretty common problem people run into so I thought I'd throw a video together to spread awareness of it. I stopped playing for weeks because of this and I thought maybe It was my computer ...
Damn this isn’t that different from deltarune
👀
I mean except the bull shut brain moments
mhm, deltarune was fucking weird sometimes
it issss
The more i look at this screen shot the more power it gives me.
lol
Haha no…
https://www.speedrun.com/cult_of_the_lamb/run/y6xvpn0y Apparently this run got moved to Unrestricted cause of a temple related follower dupe. Does anyone know where that occurred? I might not know enough to recognize it, but I can't find where it happened.
6:30?
I feel like its either under 6:30 and makes me sad or over 8 hours and makes me laugh.
Wait. Their run is like…over 12 hours. Oh my god.
I know medium makes things a fair bit tougher but good lord…
it's actually just barely over 11h
it being new patch definitely makes it slower aswell
wait i just realized
I mean im current console. On switch so.
Anything we wanna tell the devs? 😅
SHOW THEM FOLLOWER DUPE!!! and my that map thing
Am I too late?
I got all day here dw haha
Wait as in new follower dupe?
Cause I haven't even tried it out yet lmao
Give us old fleece back
tell them im getting the game into awesome games done quick
Hell yeah
Have they gotten back to you if you've been successful or not yet?
nah ill know when game schedule releases
but i know
game got popular
and im the fastest player that submitted it publicly
Letsgo
Yeah I'll still try to submit something when the new game applications open in November (I think??)
Cult as well
fight fight fight fight
The more submissions the better the chance to get it in haha
Surely we can get enough to submit a 4 player race at some point too
Yeah same tbh
Especially cause it's online so they should theoretically have room for more games if stream is just gonna run 24/7 essentially
i meaaaannn
doesn't it always run 24/7?
OR do you mean because there isn't as much setup time
Wait does in person run 24/7 too?
It's been a while since I've watched a irl one
But yeah even then the setup thing will give a bit more time
Maybe a couple of games worth across the week
But yeah still fingers crossed 🤞
I'm gonna try find the devs again and see if I can convince them to add legacy patches inbuilt to steam
Or a checkbox in settings for “speedrun settings”. That one would just unfix cutscene skip and revert fleece.
wouldnt work
new game submissions are for releases after the first submission period
both do yea
Oooohhhh I see
That makes a lot more sense haha
Guess I'll be submitting in 6 months lol 😆
lol
I keep reading about the game crashing when using the white fleece and Im amazed I haven’t had this issue since I use white fleece in my runs
WHERE
can't believe you didn't snatch that stuffed lamb on the table and run
Id get a life size joltic before id get a lamb plush
why do you tell him this NOWWWW
THAT WAS ALLOWED?
LEGAL??
it may not be legal but it's legal if no one sees
even if not i would've grabbed it and shouted "I AM NOT A HERETICCCC!" while running out the door
PAX Aus haha
Ik it was very tempting trust me haha
did you get to meet the devs 
supposedly they work remotely and this is their first time meeting in years all at the same time basically at PAX aus, they were partying it up there 
oh nice you went to their panel
Also some new news I found out from this panel talk
what is it
New combat update coming later this year (hopefully)
And new cult management update planned for sometime next year
i was under that impression because they've been working on a more difficult mode or something
something described as "pain"
I think they mentioned something about a boss rush mode or something?
these are all highly requested features so that's pretty cool
They had a demo to play at their booth and I didn't bother cause I just thought it was gonna be the regular demo or main game
But then after the panel they said they had a prototype version at their booth to play of the new mode
i think this month they are working on a holiday update, like decorations or something maybe 🤔 and a "post content update"
the devs don't tell me anything though, this is all from spying on them
Yeah now that the bug fixing and balance changes are slowing down post launch
Haha very nice
the only thing i hear about beforehand sometimes is if there's a bug fix coming that i tried to help with
They mentioned in their agreement with Devolver Digital that they are essentially contracted to complete each "milestone" (the word they used) every month
Whether or not that is internal milestones or new patches or new content I'm not sure
But definitely helps regulate the flow of development
didn't know digital devolver had such high standards
i mean
it does explain a little
devolver only publishes good games
like they actually are good at curating what they publish
the devs also promised to support the game as long as they could basically
so it's not a huge surprise they have higher standards to publish
they seem lax in some ways too
lots of publishers don't really want devs having direct communication with the community this much, i know mm seems quiet sometimes but still
did you get to play the newer version of the game btw
No unfortunately not, I tried going back after the panel but it was kinda packed and they were shutting the expo hall in half an hour so yeah big sadge 😥
Fingers crossed tho that update should be coming sooner rather than later if they've got a playable state out for the expo
Hahahaha yeah it'd be kinda sick to be a secret insider playtester or smth
devolver does do playtesters but i didn't see any options for COTL
Maybe I just apply for a job there 🤔
Also another thing I didn't realise but apparently some of the devs voiced a lot of the characters
https://betasquadron.devolverdigital.com/ here's devolvers application process for it but no cotl option 😤
fr? which devs voiced them?
Nah I'd apply to massive monster if anything haha
I'm pretty sure Jay said he voiced Ratau and TOWW
the play testing thing doesn't seem to be a paid position anyway 😈 often time play testers aren't really paid much if anything
i've done a lot of play testing for random companies and it's usually unpaid basically besides maybe gifts sometimes
usually you only pay playtesters if you don't have a rabid fanbase willing to do it for you lmao
also depends what stage of playtest
nowadays most of the super 'does this work' sort of testing is either automated or done by the devs, at least in my experience
the most i ever got as a play tester is free dinner basically 👀 it was good dinner though
it would be nice if pax uploads that panel btw
@nimble widget they announced things at the panel if you wanna scroll up
Ay what
here
It might have been streamed?
Not sure
New combat update coming this year?
Hmm
cult management update, plus boss rush mode?
That's the word atm
ye what I read
So we getting something before krimah? 👀
maybe they'll finally do more with follower thoughts
That would be nice aye
@sacred flax
Boss rush mode
You know what this means
i would enjoy if followers just randomly talked like their earlier versions of cotl (without you interacting with them)
I mean don't they do that already? I think that's how they become friends
they don't talk to you, but yeah they can talk to each other and befriend each other
in earlier versions you could actually see them saying random things
oh like the bubbles?
Just to clarify I'm not 100% sure if it's actually a boss rush mode (I didn't get to play it personally) but that's the vibe I was getting from what they were talking about. They never explicitly stated what it was or how it worked (or even if this supposed "boss rush mode" is gonna be part of the upcoming combat update or an idea for a future thing)
So yeah just don't wanna put words in the devs mouths and get people's hopes up
lots of people have been requesting ways to refight toww and i think they are considering that too
But yeah I'm fairly certain tho, just dont wanna confirm anything yet
But still get excited in general haha 😄
i'm sure they will just tell us in a hot second considering that they announced it at the panel
i wish the devs returned the usual iframes
the buffed fight was great compared to before
Something Jay mentioned close to the games launch was new game +
Did they mention anything about that?
Not sure how much they were actually meant to tell us haha (it was a pretty relaxed panel, they were very open about a lot of things)
Uuh maybe?
I don't think they explicitly stated ng+

But they did talk a decent amount about adding new modes for extra difficulty
finally
no hit mode to screw us over
So it can be more accessible and also challenging for multiple audiences wanting different things out of it
So I wouldn't be surprised if ng+ was a part of that
i've always wondered why there's a value in the save file to count how much you've been hit if no NPC ever talks about it or mentions it
it's just that enemy have x10 the health

wait what
there's a value in the save file that counts how much you've been hit over your entire run
but it's never used for anything, it's just counted silently
lol
there's a million little values in the save file that never get used, i have no idea what they are for
classic devs and having surprises in the future
They said in the panel that a lot of the time they can just work on something and add it in without really telling anyone else and it's a bit of a suprise for the others to find so I wouldn't be shocked if there was a lot of those small things like that in the code
i try messing with the save file a lot to see what all the values do and most of them just trigger nothing 😭
Also now that I actually have essentially a week free someone please remind me to actually do some more runs haha
Game changing tech: spamming spacebar
At all times or only when it's safe to do so?
No joke, if I could bind roll to my mouse wheel I would. (I’ve tried)
imagine playing JUST 1
could someone pin this btw :)
Yo, can I get a diagram of when the roll iframes start and end?
so i accidentally did a speedrun of toww
first time fighting him
minions died in 5 seconds each
first phase ended after what seemed to be 4
insert cutscene
and then i beat the 2nd phase in 14
i didnt even get to hit him at the final hit cause he just gave up
We kneeling here :^)
Lol.
Lmao.
(we have no idea)
(it seems inconsistent)
Bruh moment
It’s ruining my London% speedrun
CotL would be easy asl if I had obvious roll iframes like Dark Souls and Gungeon
Idk a cloud of dust like TUNIC or maybe even just make Lambert flash white or something
“If you complain about a problem without suggesting a solution, that’s called whining.” - Teddy Roosevelt
See, even TR agrees that I am currently based
the problem is that if you want to go as fast as possible it wouldnt even matter
since we downpatch nothing they change actually applies
if youre running for fun then so be it but
What is with speedrunners and not liking to update their game
Just choose the most fixed one
i feel like you can find the answer in that first sentence
speedrunners
going fast more important
besides if youre good not having iframes visible doesnt really matter
since youll just not get hit 4head
5head*
so true!
Anyways I still think fates is the best fleece in every scenario
that hasnt been demonstrated yet but if it is then that'd be cool
i dont think no one has done it
just that no one is fast with it
all top runners use golden fleece
it's just way more value
ngl i forget what fates is, it's the one that gives you cards at the start of a dungeon run correct
I still don’t like Yu gi yoh man
*yu-gi-oh
Yuh
yeah the problem with that is that it's complete rng
golden fleece is at the least mostly consistent
im sure if you get perfect fates draws every run you'll at least match average golden fleece
but comparing perfection with average is kinda....
honestly if golden fleece is routed out im way happier
the double damage is really rough
I still think fates+london=most fun speedrun
London is a category I made myself where it’s knife only and backstab only (except on bosses)
What? Ratoo’s challenge runs got too easy
I run with fates since i cant actually use golden, get hit too much.
Based
And fates isn’t going to consistently save time over golden. If single crusade speedruns pop up, maybe
Infinite crusade wave 12 any%?
If someone made a mod that let you always choose what cards you get it would be an easy way to see if its even hypothetically able to save time
Maybe
No Yu-gi-oh card man = he doesn’t get a room
No room = less rooms you have to clear to move on
oh wait fates removes tarot rooms??
thats cool
i dont think it'd matter at top level because you'd make choices based on room layouts but
also the room number you clear is rng anyways
White fleece stops him from spawning. I think it actually cost more time because it makes way more dead ends combat room that you have to fight through. Technically the card rooms do show up occasionally but he isn’t there to give you one.
Interesting if a card room shows up when selecting you path he will be there and you can get an extra card.
Having looked through all the tarot cards. Only 6 are really good for saving time and like half aren’t useful at all. Im going to keep doing a bit more digging and look at when the card unlocks.
The attack speed and raw damage cards are really nice. I used to get tarrots cause I needed the extra healing for speedrunning at the time.
But you can’t get them reliably enough to make it consistently worth.
Yeah a lot have healing effects which just shouldn’t be useful by capable speedrunners.
fr
plus you have to look at the ones we have unlocked at the start
sure 6 may be useful but that's considering all tarots
The 6 cards i felt were good were
Divine strength (default)
Divine curse (default)
Master of the Art (default)
Ambrosia (the cat)
The path (spore grove)
Fevours host
None of which are too hard to get in a run.
3 cards out of the default 27(???? i think)
streaming some any% unrestricted attempts :)
had a 23 minute darkwood exit that died bc i forgot to open anura
:[
had crusade floor skips on every dungeon
When I counted it, it seemed that half the cards contributed to damage or speed in some way. In practice, it turns out that only about 5 are worth the time it takes to pickup.
That lines up with what i was thinking. 16 bad, 14 helpful, 6 good.
And theres only like 15 cards at default. 12 from shops, 4 knucklebones, 5 from random things
oh okie
The default set does contain the raw damage and attack speed boons. Those ones can be really, really good when you get them. It’s just not consistent enough.
My advice, if you’re new to speedrunning the game then take the trot cards. They compensate for the difficulty caused by wearing fleece, and that allows you to learn the run better until eventually fleece is all you need.
Tons of healing too.
(I also take IV weapons cause it helps dagger and sword ramp up much, much faster)
My pattern (NMG) is
- Mandatory First Sermon
- Sermon with first Ritual, preferably after recruiting followers for Anura
- Sermon with Fleece
This gets IV weapons with the same trip, which saves time, and usually gets it early on the third day
Gonna try recording things. We’ll see how this goes
Looks like helob glitched again…so thid runs not going to be able to be submitted
how did helob glitch 🤔
oh you're playing on switch, i see
Ye
as far as i'm aware, often times he's gonna glitch out until you get your next patch which should be pretty soon honestly
maybe you could just practice other stuff until the patch fixes it 
Ima casual speedrunner. Im very much at the point where i just want to get a recorded run for the boards and then move on to other things. Anywho my capture card isn’t even playing nice and seems to have only saved about half my footage anyway.
New demo world record! ❤️ So happy!
https://twitter.com/Heiach/status/1581756578570854400
just had the dumbest softlock of all time
i hate playing this game so fucking much
ahahahahahaha yeah thats such a stupid one
I've also only had it in SC but I doubt it's related
i didnt even mean to pick up the gauntlets,,,, i wanted hounds,,,,,
but also How did i get hit
Yall lookin drippy mate
Interesting
i wont be too sad if it doesnt but i am hopeful
im also sure others have submitted it so we shall see if anyone else made it in
if anyone else gets it in and needs a commentator lmk i love talking
If it doesn’t, they have the late submission period, right?
nope
late submission period is only for games that released between initial submission period and then
so sonic frontiers troll
also live with any% unrestricted runs :)
FUCK YEAH
ill post here if we do
hoping that im home when they post game list so i can livestream a reaction
I saw there was someone else that submitted a run to it as well?
I don't remember who it was, but I didn't remember the name being familiar at all
yeah there was
there might be some people who submitted privately so could be more