#💨・speedrunning

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blazing forum
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the rest is 'how little can you get hit'

dull horizon
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i mean its frustrating to me

terse ruin
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ok t hat sucks for you dude

dull horizon
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it kind of just underlies a disrespect lol

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and your response makes it clear that you do not care

terse ruin
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if your gonna be upset about it this is a public discord server and im not disrespecting you

dull horizon
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so why should i even like

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consider taking time out of my night to talk to you

terse ruin
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you shouldnt

dull horizon
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then why are you here xdd

terse ruin
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your acting like i want your time

blazing forum
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Calling someone's ideas stupid is disrespectful.

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period

dull horizon
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i mean i get being the funny lil toxic gamer or whatever but like

terse ruin
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i just wanted a answer

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i thought this was all about being effecient with time

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yet you waste yours arguing

dull horizon
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youre just being annoying to people you dont know in a community youre interested in joining xdd

terse ruin
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im not intrested in joining a community

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i just want to post runs

dull horizon
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bad first impressions

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then why r u here xdd

terse ruin
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i dont care what fellow runners care about me

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actual npcs that keep me running

blazing forum
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then why ask questions?

terse ruin
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cause questions are questions

dull horizon
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then do ur bad routes and do it alone!

blazing forum
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why try to contribute?

dull horizon
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:D

terse ruin
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ok ill do my bad routes then

blazing forum
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o/ kk

dull horizon
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o/

terse ruin
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ill break your pr in less than a few days bro

dull horizon
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gl

blazing forum
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Mine? Probably. I'm bad lol

terse ruin
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no shovel

blazing forum
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I don't think shovel has done a ton of runs either lol

dull horizon
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get wr first then ill be impressed

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im okay ish

blazing forum
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I mean my PB was like 1:28

dull horizon
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id run more if i didnt have college

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or a job lol

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but its cool

blazing forum
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and then I started getting into other games and doing way more verification stuff because no one else was

dull horizon
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ill just get into gdq

blazing forum
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and then hayu fucking OBLITERATED the queue

dull horizon
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and then who cares because im in gdq

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anyways huff copium and play the game the way u want but frankly we dont want toxic sweaty gamers in our community

terse ruin
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im not in ur community lmao

dull horizon
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we want good gamers that make the community fun

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i never said you were i just said you werent welcomed here

terse ruin
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on what grounds

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im not welcomed because?

weak pike
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imagine speedrunning a game just to say "I'm not with them"

dull horizon
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...i mean i feel like im repeating myself a lot

blazing forum
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Disrespectful, toxic, "I don't want to be in your community", "Other runners are just npcs" (or at least that's what it read as)

terse ruin
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speedrunning it because you guys are calling my ideas useless lmao and then getting pissed when i say the same about yours

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i was just saying shit cause i didnt feel like typing

dull horizon
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i dont think any of us said that?

terse ruin
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your actually ignorant

weak pike
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you're *

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But k

terse ruin
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did you post that?

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mb

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must have been someone else

dull horizon
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i said that... after... your behavior???

terse ruin
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my behavior?

blazing forum
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I mean, my original answer to your question was if you had tried silk cradle without golden fleece or weapon upgrades. This was because if you haven't, you don't know why golden fleece is so good

terse ruin
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which was

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i mean i was never getting agressive

dull horizon
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how dare you reap what you sow

terse ruin
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you were just being passive agressive

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in which idk why

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its a lamb game but you be you tbh

weak pike
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Adam are you running down patched or current?

dull horizon
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ur the one who called the ideas of much more experienced people here stupid with very little insight as to why we made those decisions

terse ruin
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patched

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or most recent version

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depends

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im trying to find a new run that doesnt utilized gold fleece

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trying to find a way around it

weak pike
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Knucklebones% :]

terse ruin
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any percent though

weak pike
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It will be golden fleece

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Especially for downpatched

dull horizon
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we were gonna implement different categories for whatever fleeces but i think it wasnt really popular

terse ruin
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i fucking refuse to believe one item gets you through a rouge like

blazing forum
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1.0.11 or later is downpatch (full power golden fleece is the big diff). 1.0.12 has capped fleece, current patch is current patch

dull horizon
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in this game??

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yeah it will lol

blazing forum
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if your'e not using golden then I don't really see a reason to not run CP

weak pike
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Maybe Current could see use with Curse-Fleece, but who knows

dull horizon
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golden fleece is THAT broken

blazing forum
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unless they fixed tp glitch?

halcyon grove
weak pike
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They reverted back to 1.15

blazing forum
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yeah, current has a lot more options.

terse ruin
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gold fleece is actually such a boring run

weak pike
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But Tele glitch will be patched more than likely

dull horizon
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i mean i think if we just accept that maybe we should test ideas before saying them blindly then everything here isnt a problem

terse ruin
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im finding a faster way

halcyon grove
weak pike
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I wish you luck

dull horizon
weak pike
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But I doubt you beating Golden Fleece without ... Golden Fleece

terse ruin
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rougelikes are fun to watch because you never know whats going to happen

blazing forum
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once tp glitch gets fixed we'll need a third category LUL

dull horizon
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no-hitting is mega skillful if u gotta do it fast

terse ruin
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watching some guy use a non rng item that guarantees sucess is kinda zzzZzz to watch

dull horizon
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i dont think this game is like many rougelikes in the first place though

weak pike
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Then don't watch it?

blazing forum
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I mean, isn't that speedrunning?

dull horizon
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i dont like rougelikes generally tbh

terse ruin
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bro why cant you guys accept the fact that im looking for something new

dull horizon
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but this game i really enjoyed bc the rougelike elements were pretty mellowed

weak pike
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This is the first roguelike I've ever played, and mostly .. it doesn't even feel like one

dull horizon
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i mean none of us are saying you cant

terse ruin
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either get over yourself and move on or leave me alone

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god dayum

dull horizon
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it feels like you just want us to like

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believe ideas that havent been tested?

terse ruin
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keep typing

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write me a book

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please

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:

dull horizon
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good luck finding something! make the game faster that'd be sick idc how tf it gets faster

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but like

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we've tested and our findings have been that golden fleece is fastest

terse ruin
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if you wanna write me out as bad i guess ill be a dickhead if you want me to be lmao

blazing forum
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I love roguelikes, but every speedrun of one I know either ignores the rng because it's negligible, actively gets around them via rng manip, or goes headfirst because they're gamechanging

dull horizon
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dude holy shit

blazing forum
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and while fun, the rng in this game just isn't that impactful

dull horizon
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your victim complex is massive and all i said was be a bit more respectful to runners' ideas

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and to research before blindly saying stuff

terse ruin
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you just always attack me ngl

blazing forum
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especially since the first like what. 6 crusades? Dont' even have rng of weapon

terse ruin
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i said nothing

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bad about you

dull horizon
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the ironic gif

terse ruin
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almost like its intentional

blazing forum
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Adam, you walk in having contributed nothing and then shittalk

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what did you expect

terse ruin
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i wonder wh y

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read the gif maybe

halcyon grove
dull horizon
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xdd

terse ruin
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i am serious about finding a new route though

weak pike
terse ruin
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2017 mario oddysey vs now is a venture

blazing forum
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"Just kidding...unless?" is your bait?

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great backtracking

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except not

terse ruin
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stay offended idc lmao

dull horizon
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xdd

weak pike
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I don't even play this game anymore LUL

dull horizon
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being offended is when... laugh idk?

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this is funny

candid flame
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Hey an idea just crossed my mind for a category. Boss rush %

dull horizon
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maybe im coping tho

blazing forum
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I haven't done a run in a while but I do plan on getting back into it. dota and job searching and making a game myself have eaten my time really hard recently lol

dull horizon
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i'd like a boss rush but i think we'd have to mod the game for it

blazing forum
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^

blazing forum
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You p much bossrush anyway lol

dull horizon
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which isnt impossible bc iirc this is a unity game But

candid flame
dull horizon
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modding scene here seems pretty

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Non existent xdd

blazing forum
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I mean my brother made an aimbot for Gunfire Reborn which is on unity

terse ruin
halcyon grove
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there is a modding community

terse ruin
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I DONT HAVE IT

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or do i?

dull horizon
halcyon grove
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its actually pretty active

dull horizon
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didnt know that

weak pike
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That's basically just Any% then?

dull horizon
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could i get a linkie

halcyon grove
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sure

blazing forum
# terse ruin or do i?

I literally don't care about your personal life. I care about how you treat people in a community that I enjoy being in

candid flame
dull horizon
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trolling the cotl verifiers

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fortnite dance

weak pike
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Ah then yeah how they explained. Would need a mod

blazing forum
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That would be any% with TOWW fight

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unless he wants to mod

weak pike
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There was a category I thought of the other day but I forgot it :]

blazing forum
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would be interesting

dull horizon
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boss rush could be fun but i dont know how i feel about it being a category

candid flame
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Like I said was just a random idea that could be fun

dull horizon
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i dont particularly like categories that require mods

blazing forum
terse ruin
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speedrun mods can lick my mutated toes ngl

blazing forum
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though technically any% does fill it too kappa

dull horizon
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adam when all attention isnt on them

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anyways

terse ruin
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wow bro you really got me

candid flame
terse ruin
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arent you a sonic fan?

weak pike
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What entails a Death%? just die asap lol

dull horizon
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damn im really owned now

terse ruin
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how do you feel 18 misses in a row from your franchise

dull horizon
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idk i feel pretty good

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i like sonic

blazing forum
dull horizon
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pretty low hanging fruit

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cheap meme if you will

blazing forum
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Sometimes it's gameover%

dull horizon
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also damn ur obsessed with me

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pretty cute tbh

terse ruin
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yeah im obsessed

weak pike
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That's funny cause your first death is free. Is that included in the category or no?

halcyon grove
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can you guys take this to dm please

dull horizon
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LMAO

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no

candid flame
blazing forum
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It depends. Actually getting a gameover could actually be optimized

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which would be funny

terse ruin
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he called me cute bro

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he wants my dms

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hes weird

dull horizon
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who is he

terse ruin
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he

blazing forum
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Risk of Rain 1's death% was like 6s was very funny lol

dull horizon
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illusive

weak pike
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That's oddly impressive

dull horizon
blazing forum
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ok ror2's was even faster holy LOL

dull horizon
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iirc its .750 something

blazing forum
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Time Alive: 00:03 LOL

candid flame
halcyon grove
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death% in cotl would be pretty easy

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wait

blazing forum
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I mean it's not actually going to go onto an official leaderboard

candid flame
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Oh no but for all memes sake

terse ruin
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you die in the first cutscene

blazing forum
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but I do have a meme leaderboard I get going

halcyon grove
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you get health during the first actual crusade right?

dull horizon
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then why hasnt anyone done it 😡 😡😡😡😡

blazing forum
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yeah

dull horizon
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ya

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cant die in tutorial

blazing forum
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you can't die during tutorial land

halcyon grove
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still not too hard

dull horizon
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oh shit its 11 pm ok i gotta sleepy

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gn gamers

halcyon grove
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gn

blazing forum
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gn shovel o/

candid flame
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Sooooo new file by the sounds of it?

dull horizon
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hopefully youll see me on gdq's games list with cult

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:)

candid flame
terse ruin
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you wont be

dull horizon
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thats a few months out tho

terse ruin
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lmao

halcyon grove
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that would be cool

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ill try to make it

weak pike
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wish you luck shovel

dull horizon
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also shoutout to the other person who submitted cotl publicly i cant remember their name

blazing forum
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I was gonna ask if multiple people could

weak pike
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More people that submit, more chances it will be on

dull horizon
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ya ofc

blazing forum
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maybe we should convince Dezi to

dull horizon
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i think we have like

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4 submissions for neon white

weak pike
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Dezi might have problems with timezones

dull horizon
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probably way more private

blazing forum
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Oh is it still remote?

dull horizon
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game submissions close tonight iirc

blazing forum
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I was assuming you'd have to fly there LOL

candid flame
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Id love to play CotL on GDQ but I lack the skill and the time lol

dull horizon
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gdq made a thread on it

terse ruin
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hes doing online gdq no way

blazing forum
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ah

terse ruin
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whats the point in doing gdq with shovel then

dull horizon
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tldr is florida bad for covid safety measures and they cant move without losing A Ton of money

terse ruin
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wouldnt they just take a better online run ner

blazing forum
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oh is that what's going on

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lol

candid flame
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Id need a lot more time to just program my brain to lamb up a hurricane of swords and Wool

dull horizon
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its unfortunate but understandable

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plus the transparency is nice

terse ruin
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ill get on my main and submit runs for gdq if they do it online what

blazing forum
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Do they like, get sponsored by florida?

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I can't imagine them getting less money if they move it for like 1 year

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huh

dull horizon
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their event venue is in florida

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they have a contract

blazing forum
dull horizon
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so theyd have to pay a ton in cancelation fees

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if moved

blazing forum
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huh

dull horizon
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legal stuff

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sadge

weak pike
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I just realized there's a extra hard any% run up

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nice

dull horizon
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its like 3h long right

weak pike
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2h20m w/o loads

dull horizon
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sounds about right

candid flame
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Alright loading a new file now for Death%

dull horizon
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gl lmao

weak pike
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on speedrun?

candid flame
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from ground zero brand new file 7:23.22

buoyant granite
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Yeah probs couldn't fly out lmao

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But if it's online I could potentially do it

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My sleep schedule is already super fucked so I could make it whenever hopefully

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But yeah I'll submit a req too if they're still open

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ok so it looks like we can submit in the second submission period too (cause its for new games only)

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which is from Nov 6th - Nov 12th

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yeah so submissions for first round close in under 2 hours, not sure ill be able to get mine submitted by then (may need to record a run with a bit less aussie swearing in it lmao)

modest stratus
livid basin
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Good morning, it seemed to been a night

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Nothing special seemed to happen here

grim kayak
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Good morning 👋

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A GDQ run sure would be hype

hearty vapor
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@grim kayak ur so lucky i got softlocked randomly

grim kayak
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haha omg

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I've got a new strat in mind but it's really rng and I've got no time to make runs 😬

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Maybe in 2 weeks

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Valefar in 9:51 is so good wtf

copper trout
copper trout
buoyant granite
teal nest
modest stratus
copper trout
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ah ok, it's the state's stance - thank you 😄

modest stratus
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np

dull horizon
wheat trout
copper trout
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Green gaming

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Its an online marathon that happens every 6. Months

dull horizon
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ahhh yeah

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had a friend submit neon white for that

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im just too busy to do marathons now

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gdq is the like

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one exception lol

modest stratus
narrow snow
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Version 1.0.4 on switch. Just in time for the weekend. Maybe.

dull horizon
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yippee

gusty bramble
# teal nest

Bro… dont post this here, this is not a memes server (please) :)

narrow snow
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Nope. Not getting a run this weekend. Just another week to try but not upgrade my pc.

modest stratus
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sadge

narrow snow
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I work a lot so it’s unrealistic to get a run during the week. Im a big MtG player and play 12-5 on Sunday which doesn’t give me enough time for the 7 hour 100% run.
So I have to do a run on Saturday and even then i really only have like a 10 hour window to do it in.

weak pike
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I sold out of MtG mostly to help find my wedding. However it has freed up allot of time for me lol

copper trout
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Yeah I stopped playing years ago. It's so expensive

dull horizon
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as card games are

spare osprey
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So.... Leshy% lol

true glacier
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is there livesplit templates yet

dull horizon
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not really

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we all kinda use different layouts

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most people use the bosses as their splits

verbal violet
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Trying to learn sacrifice% on current patch and keep losing a ton of time to the first few splits but I did get this accidentally so neat

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Btw what is current patch wr for this catagory?

true glacier
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i am def following a non gold fleece run, i feel like the challenge of gold fleece is fun and exciting but also linear and boring for such a fun and random game like cult of the lamb

dull horizon
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as for current patch wr i have No Clue

verbal violet
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lol welp too late for that ig

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I'll pb again with that info tho

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sounds like a massive timesave

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Also anyone know how many bones you get for the chest after the 1st boss of Anura?

dull horizon
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around 24

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you want to avoid taking damage during that area so you get extra rewards

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oh wait bones

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hmmm

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i think its like 20 per?

knotty tusk
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ive never had issues with not enough bones

dull horizon
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but might be give or take

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yeah

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u just gotta pay attention to how many you have

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frankly as soon as you get 75 like

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just get out no?

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or whatever the actual number is

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:V

icy basin
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If you play new patch it gives you the bones to prevent a softlock. Not sure about old. Regardless, so long as you lot the boss check I think it gives enough bones.

knotty tusk
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game keeps softlocking me after I talk to ratau for the first time and leave the room. just black screen. possibly related, the rocks didnt break when entering the room but i still rolled through them

icy basin
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I’ve found that if dialogue queues up an animation then skipping it has weird consequences. Maybe the convo idle animation is playing when you leave and that’s causing it? No idea otherwise. I’d try slowing down a tad and see if a particular sequence is breaking it.

hearty vapor
knotty tusk
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damn suffering from success

icy basin
# knotty tusk damn suffering from success

A similar vein of dialogue skipping, whenever one of the heretics shows up and makes you do the animation where you stare at the sky while your eyes bleed, if you manage to finish the dialogue before you reach the spot you will play out the whole animation anyway and lose like 5 seconds. You can even be attacked if they summon enemies during this time.

dull horizon
blazing forum
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yeah, I've had it done before

dull horizon
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damn

blazing forum
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though I thought you couldn't be hit

dull horizon
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maybe i need to put more attempts into this game

blazing forum
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at least in mine lol

hearty vapor
# dull horizon ...you can do that???

when you have text animations enabled in settings it basically can't happen, but if you have it disabled and absolutely mash through the dialogue right before the cutscene then the game doesn't load the room properly and stone doesn't break visually and softlock

dull horizon
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ahhh thats why its never happened to me

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do text animations slow you down??

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i havent noticed a difference tbh

blazing forum
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probably takes longer to load them or something

hearty vapor
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having text animations makes each dialogue box need 2 button presses, 1 to skip scrolling animation and 1 to advance. without animations they load instantly and you only need 1 press. it probably saves only like 30 seconds in a 1h run (i assume, random number idk), but it's also much more relaxing for your button mashing finger lol

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also funny how the boards were absolutely flooded but now there hasn't been a submitted run in almost a week

narrow snow
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Yeah things to be calming down a lot. Unfortunately theres not a whole lot of depth to the run.

dull horizon
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yea

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i still think it could go sub hour if someone grindsets

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but not enough competition for it rn

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it's okay my agdq run will bring eyeballs on it at least 😈

verbal violet
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I still think there's more ways to break this game

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The main bottleneck is definitely not being able to get to toww without breaking the 4 chains and all that stuff but idk maybe there is a way to get into The Gateway without doing that

narrow snow
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I feel like a tas knucklebones could be interesting. if there is a way we can manipulate the game to control the dice rolls

buoyant granite
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I mean yeah it's kinda just now a race to see who can get the best rng and use it to its fullest

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I've been a bit busy with work and stuff recently so haven't been able to get many runs in

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And I'm currently away on holiday too lmao

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But yeah I reckon if we can successfully get it into agdq that'll definitely give it a better spotlight for people

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Most games don't grow immensely on release

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The game has only been out for a couple of months

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I've been thinking of making an all in one stop shop tutorial video for movement optimisation, glitches and rng decision making to help new people get into the game easier

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But yeah honestly I'm decently happy with nearly 50 runners in the time leaderboards have been open

narrow snow
buoyant granite
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I am tempted to do a 100% run one day on stream, but I kinds need a whole day to do one lmaoo

narrow snow
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Yep. 7 hours.

modest stratus
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let's all be honest. this games gonna be a cult classic

true glacier
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do any of you guys have swag icons for livesplit dont feel like making them

dull horizon
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i have one that signals what split i got the golden fleece on

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otherwise i dont really like livesplit icons

icy basin
true glacier
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i dont know any of the glitches, and im trying to do a nmg but i know there are still some, and are nmg runs valid for unrestricted as well

blazing forum
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all of the glitches atm are p much "mash a direction and roll" or "mash interact while mousing over something" lol

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that one has to do with mashing roll while holding away from where Ratau is going to spawn

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if you finish mashing through his dialogue fast enough then you can act during the cutscene for some reason

true glacier
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@blazing forum do you guys require submissions without audio

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idk if it affects anything or not

blazing forum
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We require game audio

true glacier
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so if i stream and then just upload the recording im good

blazing forum
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and we need it to be not absolutely completely drowned out

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yeh

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that's literally what I do lol

true glacier
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i mean ill just be talking so idk if thats drowning it out

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ill most likely be explaining the run or what i know about it lol

blazing forum
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naw that's fine

icy basin
true glacier
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theres no way i do my first speedrun then i softlock in the temple twice in a row

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i dont have time for a whole run now fuck this game 😢

knotty tusk
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make sure ur dodge rolling into the temple

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that helped for me

blazing forum
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you have to be building from the bottom

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you don't have time otherwise

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if you're slightly late it locks

buoyant granite
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If this is the building grid for the temple always build on the tile I've marked in red, start holding up before the build is complete and then mash roll as soon as the build has finished

knotty tusk
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really random soft-lock, game froze on this frame

icy basin
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Finally ran a run in which I was on old patch. Despite having some of the worst RNG I've ever seen (impressively bad level gen, not enough shrooms or rare fish for fleece, made a mistake and missed lvl 4 weapons) I still managed to keep ahead of my record pace.

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Right up until Kallamar killed me twice 😅

blazing forum
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sounds about right

icy basin
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Old fleece is insane

blazing forum
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yes

icy basin
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I hit %1010 bonus damage at one point

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and three shot shamura

blazing forum
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Kallamar is everyone's first wall, p much

icy basin
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Usually I blow him aside, so I was really surprised

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first time I got dagger and worst possible map gen (I even recalled to re-roll and still got no paths with less than 2 dungeons between me and the boss) and took a ton of damage. That one was entirely my fault. Second time I got axe but managed to take damage to the very last enemy before him, so I fought with no damage boons and found out I don't actually know how to fight Kallamar 😅

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So overall I need to git gud

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But the fleece was just absurdly overpowered. I love it. Felt like having a cheat code enabled.

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Wound up killing TOWW cause my time was screwed and I wanted the catharsis

limpid bane
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I tried to use DepotDownloader to downgrade to the patch pre-cutscene fix, and it downloaded fine, but the game now crashes on the menu. Has it happened to anyone ? Should I redownload from the depot, maybe with a checksum at the end ?

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Is the last version where you can skip cutscenes the one from 23 August 2022 ?

blazing forum
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Hi, I'm up at 4 am being dumb to tell you that I think 1.0.13 was that one. 1.0.11 was full power golden fleece, 1.0.12 was capped fleece, 1.0.13 was half power fleece.

blazing forum
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I haven't gone to bed yet lambderp

dull horizon
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i believe cutscene skip got patched this patch?

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but could be wrong

dull horizon
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just make sure to turn off the autosplitter reset checkbox, save during the softlock, go to menu, enter back

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definitely loses time but is salvagable

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especially if you only have x amount of time to do runs

icy basin
dull horizon
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interesting

true glacier
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like its 100 percent soft lock due to some bug in my game

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so i have no idea what to do, i might start running on a older version

dull horizon
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i'd recommend it

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downpatching isnt as intimidating as it seems

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might make a video guide on it

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just rq

true glacier
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i mean you just go to steam

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and go to a previous version

icy basin
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What happens just before the softlock?

halcyon grove
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no

true marsh
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no

narrow snow
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God drat. My niece’s birthday is being celebrated right in my window to try a full run. Im honestly getting to point if fuck it im going to try getting a run anyway. 2am here i come!

modest stratus
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mood

knotty tusk
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Is it legal for NMG to unlock the door to Anura with 6 followers even though it says it requires 7?

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Like does it have anything to do with follower cloning

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example ^

livid basin
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Wait what, how did that even happen? :D

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I didn't see any cloning tho

knotty tusk
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idk it just works

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if its legal that would be faster

livid basin
#

Could be a coding error. Does it work like that on 1.0.11 patch?

knotty tusk
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I think so

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looks like that run was on 1.0.11

livid basin
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Hmm... for me it is working correctly

narrow snow
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I definitely recall once having to go into darkwood for a 7th follower one time.

knotty tusk
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i used to always go for 6, but then one time it wouldn't let me in so ive been 7 ever since

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not sure what causes it

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tried it, and it worked for me

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using only 6 that is

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and also just noticed this

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i only have 6 but it says I have 8

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possibly cause there are 2 followers un-indoctrinated yet?

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definitely not, indoctrinated another and now its 9/12 with 7 followers

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indoctrinated another, and now its 9/12 with 8 followers

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so weird

livid basin
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Well, this sure is interesting

narrow snow
#

Did you do that thing to get fake followers to open the other doors?

knotty tusk
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nah I didn't do follower cloning. I bet its somehow related though

livid basin
knotty tusk
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i did do follower skip

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ill try follower skip and see how many followers it says I have afterward

livid basin
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That one what comes to my mind, since it kind of messes up with followers

knotty tusk
#

you might be right

knotty tusk
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nah that cant be right

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ran it again without follower skip

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this time unlocked it with 5 followers

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I checked the follower count on the door before entering every crusade

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entering DW2 it said I had 3 followers

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then entering DW3 it said i had 4 (even though I had 3)

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entering DW4 it said i had 5(even though I had 3)

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then it just stays like that, always 2 followers ahead until I get 8 followers

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then it says I have 9 followers (i have 8)

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?

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after another indoctrination it now says I have 11 (i have 9)?

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another indoctrination now it says I have 11 (i have 10)

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what in the world

livid basin
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Indeed

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It then has something to do with DW2 and 3, or moving to them. Or could it have something to do with the temple?

knotty tusk
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im thinking temple

livid basin
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Because don't we use temple twice

knotty tusk
#

maybe something about leaving while there are still followers in the temple

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?

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or leaving as followers exit the temple

livid basin
#

Is this the dupe we have waited for?!

knotty tusk
#

this could be big

livid basin
knotty tusk
#

tbh i havent done follower cloning so idek

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also doesnt explain why it keeps alternating between 1 extra follower and 2 extra followers

livid basin
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as fast as possible

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that is how that dupe works

knotty tusk
#

ah ok then yeah it might be the same thing

livid basin
#

But stacking that dupe could actually be extra broken, since we could run SC 0 followers

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and I believe we can skip follower fights that way

knotty tusk
#

if only we could skip the 20 followers for TOWW

livid basin
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Killing bishops resets that count unfortunately

knotty tusk
#

with temple cloning it could work then

livid basin
#

but if we can get some way to count how many dupes we can do with bigger mass to hit 20 without indoctronating all 20

knotty tusk
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would be huge

livid basin
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Possibility to 1-2 min timesave

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Depending how many can be duped

knotty tusk
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its gotta be

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when the player exits their base with followers still in the temple

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i wasnt able to replicate it doing a sermon though

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they just leave too fast

livid basin
#

Whelp, it seems that we could have a new (way to do a) major glitch

narrow snow
#

How interesting.

buoyant granite
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Oooooohhhh very excitingggg

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I'm out today, so I'll have to do some testing either later tonight or tomorrow

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But yeah this could be an amazing development :)))

narrow snow
#

Ultimately we will still have to do all 16 runs and get to 20 followers so im unsure where the time save is.

knotty tusk
#

if this is allowed in NMG I can see it being used to finish A2 a little faster. That way you have time to get both foxes before the end of the night.

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cause youll skip two follower events and wont have to indoctrinate 2 followers

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right now only the fastest runs are completing A2 before golden fleece

narrow snow
#

Oh right they get the mushrooms then quit out right? Since you have to go at night

knotty tusk
#

you can fully complete A2 and still get both fox rewards

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using omnipresense to leave is a different strategy aswell

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for slower paces

livid basin
#

Well, it is a sequence break, same as og follower dupe. We just didn't know what caused it. I'd personally put this to major glitch category, since it is functionally same glitch as follower dupe, if not just being a follower dupe but done in a different place

knotty tusk
#

i mean follower cloning is giving you like 14 extra followers while this only gives 2

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unless we can like farm it somehow

livid basin
#

If we can get to consensus about this glitch, I'll go thru runs and move them away from NGM to any% to not waste any runs

knotty tusk
#

its also sometimes hard to not do this glitch

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like im not even trying to do it, and it still clones a follower

#

youd have to purposefully wait

livid basin
#

or we could make a rule that in order to not disqualify/sequence break you must have proper amount of followers to open that door

knotty tusk
#

oh yeah

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that would work fine

narrow snow
#

Wouldn’t that disqualify the current follower exploit to get into silk cradle early?

#

Or is that not in current nmp

knotty tusk
#

not in nmg

blazing forum
#

Follower dupe is banned for NMG

#

And yeah, it does seem to happen for the same exact reason lol

narrow snow
#

Alrighty. And follower duping is different then cloning.

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Nevermind checked the speedrunning doc. Thought we had some way to indoctrinate identical followers

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I guess my runs haven’t been NMG

knotty tusk
#

lmao

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well atleast you found out now

narrow snow
#

I wonder if i can still do my intended route…follower counts are 7, 9, and 12… maybe…

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Ill have to have 12 followers after 7 crusades. Ive been setting up the mind control ritual before AD2 when kalamar makes 5 followers sick and SC3 when you have to kill two followers. Its also a decent place to try getting the poop follower form since again no faith lose.

livid basin
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Follower duping in church

narrow snow
#

THE DREAM (3 of 4 in 4 cast)

knotty tusk
#

Rnjesus

narrow snow
#

GOD WHAT TRIGGERS THE POOP FORM?!?

frigid hare
#

What

dull horizon
#

also uhhhh idk if i am dumb but i dont know what this follower cloning method is but it is still follower cloning

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i am also mega late

#

buuuut its ok to open things if u have enough anyways

narrow snow
#

Cooked and ate 10. The consistency is so frustrating. The strategy is going to have to be cooking a bowl on occasion to minimize faith loss.

iron forge
#

Hello, could I please get some help with a bug I'm experiencing when speed running this game?
I was able to play the game and do regular attempts 2 patches ago, but since the last two patches the game will crash / stay a black screen when I enter the room after Ratau in the tutorial.

Has anyone else experienced this? Now when I uninstall / reinstall I still get the crash. I know the game is going to break when I hit the rocks to leave the first screen and the rocks don't do the break animation and the rocks are still there.

Livesplit is running, the game is in windowed mode 1080
I'm recording with OBS Studio. Thanks so much! I really like this game and the route is really fun and challenging. Thanks much ❤️

knotty tusk
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Could be because you're spamming though TOWW dialogue too fast

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that was a problem I was having as well, it was because I was spamming through the TOWW dialogue too quick

iron forge
#

ahhhh it doesn't register the "yes" button press to set up the other things calling / firing probably?
have you noticed it works when you slow down towards the "yes" option or is it just the text in general you think?

knotty tusk
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probably the "yes" button, but I just go slow during that whole dialogue to be sure

#

this seems to be a pretty common problem

iron forge
#

trying now, thanks so much

knotty tusk
#

probably should put it somewhere easier for new speedrunners to see, its come up many times

iron forge
#

I can make a video real quick and post it and sticky it. This was sooo frustrating thanks so much!!!

cold sequoia
#

I've been talking in the CotL speedrunning discord before I knew this one was here.. is there a section for specifically speedrunning the demo?

modest stratus
#

i think they meant in the discord 😅

weak pike
#

Is there a separate server for speedrunning?

#

I thought they weren't trying to detach from the main

blazing forum
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don't think there is

modest stratus
blazing forum
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oh, huh

weak pike
#

Is there a link somewhere?

modest stratus
cold sequoia
#

they've all come here now

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and yeah I meant section of this discord

iron forge
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https://youtu.be/OCxcXZAaU38

Here's a video that shows how to avoid the tutorial dialogue bug. Might be useful to folks, as before today I didn't know that that was what was crashing my game. Thanks again @knotty tusk !

TLDR; if you spam through The One Who Waits' dialogue in the beginning too quickly, then the room after Ratau will crash the game during the tutorial. just slow down and let the text load to avoid this.

I ran into a bug where the game crashes after the Ratau room in the tutorial. Thanks to ItzToxic for telling me how to avoid this bug. They mentioned it was a pretty common problem people run into so I thought I'd throw a video together to spread awareness of it. I stopped playing for weeks because of this and I thought maybe It was my computer ...

▶ Play video
true marsh
#

Damn this isn’t that different from deltarune

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👀

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I mean except the bull shut brain moments

modest stratus
true marsh
#

it issss

narrow snow
#

The more i look at this screen shot the more power it gives me.

blazing forum
#

lol

dull horizon
#

guess how long this run is :)

#

also wtf insane

icy basin
#

5 hours?

#

well, I think you were going for 6

rich jay
#

Haha no…

icy basin
narrow snow
narrow snow
#

I feel like its either under 6:30 and makes me sad or over 8 hours and makes me laugh.

dull horizon
#

you're like... a little over halfway there

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🙂

narrow snow
#

Wait. Their run is like…over 12 hours. Oh my god.

#

I know medium makes things a fair bit tougher but good lord…

dull horizon
#

it's actually just barely over 11h

#

it being new patch definitely makes it slower aswell

#

wait i just realized

narrow snow
#

I mean im current console. On switch so.

buoyant granite
#

Anything we wanna tell the devs? 😅

tardy flare
#

"Praise be the Lamb.
This game is awesome."

#

Exactly those words.

modest stratus
#

Am I too late?

buoyant granite
#

I got all day here dw haha

buoyant granite
#

Cause I haven't even tried it out yet lmao

weak pike
#

Give us old fleece back

dull horizon
#

tell them im getting the game into awesome games done quick

buoyant granite
#

Have they gotten back to you if you've been successful or not yet?

dull horizon
#

nah ill know when game schedule releases

#

but i know

#

game got popular

#

and im the fastest player that submitted it publicly

buoyant granite
#

Letsgo

#

Yeah I'll still try to submit something when the new game applications open in November (I think??)

dull horizon
#

soooo good chances

#

what game?

buoyant granite
#

Cult as well

blazing forum
#

fight fight fight fight

buoyant granite
#

The more submissions the better the chance to get it in haha

blazing forum
#

fight for gdqs love

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:>

#

lol

#

I'd be a little surprised if it didn't get in

buoyant granite
#

Surely we can get enough to submit a 4 player race at some point too

#

Yeah same tbh

#

Especially cause it's online so they should theoretically have room for more games if stream is just gonna run 24/7 essentially

blazing forum
#

i meaaaannn

#

doesn't it always run 24/7?

#

OR do you mean because there isn't as much setup time

buoyant granite
#

Wait does in person run 24/7 too?

#

It's been a while since I've watched a irl one

#

But yeah even then the setup thing will give a bit more time

#

Maybe a couple of games worth across the week

#

But yeah still fingers crossed 🤞

#

I'm gonna try find the devs again and see if I can convince them to add legacy patches inbuilt to steam

icy basin
#

Or a checkbox in settings for “speedrun settings”. That one would just unfix cutscene skip and revert fleece.

dull horizon
#

new game submissions are for releases after the first submission period

dull horizon
buoyant granite
#

That makes a lot more sense haha

#

Guess I'll be submitting in 6 months lol 😆

dull horizon
#

lol

narrow snow
#

I keep reading about the game crashing when using the white fleece and Im amazed I haven’t had this issue since I use white fleece in my runs

spare cedar
split saddle
narrow snow
#

Id get a life size joltic before id get a lamb plush

modest stratus
#

THAT WAS ALLOWED?

#

LEGAL??

split saddle
modest stratus
#

even if not i would've grabbed it and shouted "I AM NOT A HERETICCCC!" while running out the door

buoyant granite
buoyant granite
split saddle
#

supposedly they work remotely and this is their first time meeting in years all at the same time basically at PAX aus, they were partying it up there LambPog

buoyant granite
#

Yes did defs meet the devs haha

#

They are all very nice

split saddle
#

oh nice you went to their panel

buoyant granite
#

Also some new news I found out from this panel talk

split saddle
#

what is it

buoyant granite
#

New combat update coming later this year (hopefully)

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And new cult management update planned for sometime next year

split saddle
#

i was under that impression because they've been working on a more difficult mode or something

#

something described as "pain"

buoyant granite
#

I think they mentioned something about a boss rush mode or something?

split saddle
#

these are all highly requested features so that's pretty cool

buoyant granite
#

They had a demo to play at their booth and I didn't bother cause I just thought it was gonna be the regular demo or main game

#

But then after the panel they said they had a prototype version at their booth to play of the new mode

split saddle
#

i think this month they are working on a holiday update, like decorations or something maybe 🤔 and a "post content update"

#

the devs don't tell me anything though, this is all from spying on them

buoyant granite
#

Yeah now that the bug fixing and balance changes are slowing down post launch

#

Haha very nice

split saddle
#

the only thing i hear about beforehand sometimes is if there's a bug fix coming that i tried to help with

buoyant granite
#

They mentioned in their agreement with Devolver Digital that they are essentially contracted to complete each "milestone" (the word they used) every month

#

Whether or not that is internal milestones or new patches or new content I'm not sure

#

But definitely helps regulate the flow of development

split saddle
#

didn't know digital devolver had such high standards

blazing forum
#

i mean

#

it does explain a little

#

devolver only publishes good games

#

like they actually are good at curating what they publish

split saddle
#

the devs also promised to support the game as long as they could basically

blazing forum
#

so it's not a huge surprise they have higher standards to publish

split saddle
#

they seem lax in some ways too

#

lots of publishers don't really want devs having direct communication with the community this much, i know mm seems quiet sometimes but still

split saddle
buoyant granite
split saddle
#

unfortunate

#

i would sign so many NDAs to playtest that thing

buoyant granite
#

Fingers crossed tho that update should be coming sooner rather than later if they've got a playable state out for the expo

#

Hahahaha yeah it'd be kinda sick to be a secret insider playtester or smth

split saddle
#

devolver does do playtesters but i didn't see any options for COTL

buoyant granite
#

Maybe I just apply for a job there 🤔

#

Also another thing I didn't realise but apparently some of the devs voiced a lot of the characters

split saddle
buoyant granite
#

Nah I'd apply to massive monster if anything haha

#

I'm pretty sure Jay said he voiced Ratau and TOWW

split saddle
#

the play testing thing doesn't seem to be a paid position anyway 😈 often time play testers aren't really paid much if anything

#

i've done a lot of play testing for random companies and it's usually unpaid basically besides maybe gifts sometimes

blazing forum
#

usually you only pay playtesters if you don't have a rabid fanbase willing to do it for you lmao

#

also depends what stage of playtest

#

nowadays most of the super 'does this work' sort of testing is either automated or done by the devs, at least in my experience

split saddle
#

the most i ever got as a play tester is free dinner basically 👀 it was good dinner though

#

it would be nice if pax uploads that panel btw

#

@nimble widget they announced things at the panel if you wanna scroll up

buoyant granite
#

Not sure

split saddle
#

it was one of the view theaters that wasn't streamed unfortunately

#

i did look

nimble widget
#

New combat update coming this year?

buoyant granite
#

Ik there were some panels streamed on the multiple pax channels

#

Aah unfortunate

nimble widget
#

Hmm

split saddle
buoyant granite
#

That's the word atm

nimble widget
#

So we getting something before krimah? 👀

split saddle
#

maybe they'll finally do more with follower thoughts

nimble widget
#

@sacred flax

#

Boss rush mode

#

You know what this means

sacred flax
#

ohoho

#

YES

split saddle
#

i would enjoy if followers just randomly talked like their earlier versions of cotl (without you interacting with them)

nimble widget
#

I mean don't they do that already? I think that's how they become friends

split saddle
#

they don't talk to you, but yeah they can talk to each other and befriend each other

#

in earlier versions you could actually see them saying random things

sacred flax
#

oh like the bubbles?

split saddle
#

little words above their head

#

yeah

sacred flax
#

damn

#

now i want that back :(

buoyant granite
#

Just to clarify I'm not 100% sure if it's actually a boss rush mode (I didn't get to play it personally) but that's the vibe I was getting from what they were talking about. They never explicitly stated what it was or how it worked (or even if this supposed "boss rush mode" is gonna be part of the upcoming combat update or an idea for a future thing)

#

So yeah just don't wanna put words in the devs mouths and get people's hopes up

split saddle
#

lots of people have been requesting ways to refight toww and i think they are considering that too

buoyant granite
#

But yeah I'm fairly certain tho, just dont wanna confirm anything yet

#

But still get excited in general haha 😄

split saddle
#

i'm sure they will just tell us in a hot second considering that they announced it at the panel

sacred flax
#

i wish the devs returned the usual iframes

#

the buffed fight was great compared to before

nimble widget
#

Did they mention anything about that?

buoyant granite
#

Not sure how much they were actually meant to tell us haha (it was a pretty relaxed panel, they were very open about a lot of things)

#

Uuh maybe?

#

I don't think they explicitly stated ng+

split saddle
buoyant granite
#

But they did talk a decent amount about adding new modes for extra difficulty

sacred flax
#

finally

no hit mode to screw us over

buoyant granite
#

So it can be more accessible and also challenging for multiple audiences wanting different things out of it

#

So I wouldn't be surprised if ng+ was a part of that

split saddle
#

i've always wondered why there's a value in the save file to count how much you've been hit if no NPC ever talks about it or mentions it

nimble widget
sacred flax
split saddle
#

there's a value in the save file that counts how much you've been hit over your entire run

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but it's never used for anything, it's just counted silently

nimble widget
#

Huh

#

Interesting

buoyant granite
#

Oh wait what that's whack

#

Potentially very useful for modding

sacred flax
#

so it recorded my fails in no hit videos

#

great

nimble widget
#

lol

split saddle
#

(this isn't my save file, i would never be hit)

#

mine is always at 0, don't worry

sacred flax
#

would probably be mine

#

probably

split saddle
#

there's a million little values in the save file that never get used, i have no idea what they are for

sacred flax
#

classic devs and having surprises in the future

buoyant granite
#

They said in the panel that a lot of the time they can just work on something and add it in without really telling anyone else and it's a bit of a suprise for the others to find so I wouldn't be shocked if there was a lot of those small things like that in the code

split saddle
#

i try messing with the save file a lot to see what all the values do and most of them just trigger nothing 😭

buoyant granite
#

Also now that I actually have essentially a week free someone please remind me to actually do some more runs haha

lilac aspen
#

Game changing tech: spamming spacebar

neat sparrow
#

At all times or only when it's safe to do so?

lilac aspen
#

All times

#

💯 accurate tactic

#

Frame perfect or nothing

icy basin
#

No joke, if I could bind roll to my mouse wheel I would. (I’ve tried)

dull horizon
#

i also would

#

but i play controller 😀😀😀

modest stratus
#

imagine playing JUST 1

dull horizon
#

could someone pin this btw :)

lilac aspen
#

Yo, can I get a diagram of when the roll iframes start and end?

olive pelican
#

so i accidentally did a speedrun of toww

#

first time fighting him

#

minions died in 5 seconds each

#

first phase ended after what seemed to be 4

#

insert cutscene

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and then i beat the 2nd phase in 14

#

i didnt even get to hit him at the final hit cause he just gave up

livid basin
#

We kneeling here :^)

dull horizon
#

Lmao.

#

(we have no idea)

#

(it seems inconsistent)

lilac aspen
#

Bruh moment

dull horizon
#

yeah

#

maybe one day we'll figure it out

#

could always test for yourself :)

lilac aspen
#

It’s ruining my London% speedrun

#

CotL would be easy asl if I had obvious roll iframes like Dark Souls and Gungeon

#

Idk a cloud of dust like TUNIC or maybe even just make Lambert flash white or something

#

“If you complain about a problem without suggesting a solution, that’s called whining.” - Teddy Roosevelt

#

See, even TR agrees that I am currently based

dull horizon
#

the problem is that if you want to go as fast as possible it wouldnt even matter

#

since we downpatch nothing they change actually applies

#

if youre running for fun then so be it but

lilac aspen
#

What is with speedrunners and not liking to update their game

#

Just choose the most fixed one

dull horizon
#

i feel like you can find the answer in that first sentence

#

speedrunners

#

going fast more important

#

besides if youre good not having iframes visible doesnt really matter

#

since youll just not get hit 4head

lilac aspen
dull horizon
#

so true!

lilac aspen
#

Anyways I still think fates is the best fleece in every scenario

dull horizon
#

that hasnt been demonstrated yet but if it is then that'd be cool

lilac aspen
#

No one has used fates in a speedrun?

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It skips the card guy entirely

dull horizon
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i dont think no one has done it

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just that no one is fast with it

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all top runners use golden fleece

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it's just way more value

dull horizon
lilac aspen
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I still don’t like Yu gi yoh man

dull horizon
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*yu-gi-oh

dull horizon
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yeah the problem with that is that it's complete rng

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golden fleece is at the least mostly consistent

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im sure if you get perfect fates draws every run you'll at least match average golden fleece

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but comparing perfection with average is kinda....

dull horizon
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honestly if golden fleece is routed out im way happier

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the double damage is really rough

lilac aspen
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I still think fates+london=most fun speedrun

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London is a category I made myself where it’s knife only and backstab only (except on bosses)

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What? Ratoo’s challenge runs got too easy

narrow snow
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I run with fates since i cant actually use golden, get hit too much.

lilac aspen
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Based

narrow snow
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And fates isn’t going to consistently save time over golden. If single crusade speedruns pop up, maybe

narrow snow
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If someone made a mod that let you always choose what cards you get it would be an easy way to see if its even hypothetically able to save time

lilac aspen
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Maybe

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No Yu-gi-oh card man = he doesn’t get a room

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No room = less rooms you have to clear to move on

dull horizon
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oh wait fates removes tarot rooms??

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thats cool

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i dont think it'd matter at top level because you'd make choices based on room layouts but

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also the room number you clear is rng anyways

narrow snow
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White fleece stops him from spawning. I think it actually cost more time because it makes way more dead ends combat room that you have to fight through. Technically the card rooms do show up occasionally but he isn’t there to give you one.

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Interesting if a card room shows up when selecting you path he will be there and you can get an extra card.

narrow snow
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Having looked through all the tarot cards. Only 6 are really good for saving time and like half aren’t useful at all. Im going to keep doing a bit more digging and look at when the card unlocks.

icy basin
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The attack speed and raw damage cards are really nice. I used to get tarrots cause I needed the extra healing for speedrunning at the time.

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But you can’t get them reliably enough to make it consistently worth.

narrow snow
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Yeah a lot have healing effects which just shouldn’t be useful by capable speedrunners.

dull horizon
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fr

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plus you have to look at the ones we have unlocked at the start

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sure 6 may be useful but that's considering all tarots

narrow snow
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The 6 cards i felt were good were
Divine strength (default)
Divine curse (default)
Master of the Art (default)
Ambrosia (the cat)
The path (spore grove)
Fevours host
None of which are too hard to get in a run.

dull horizon
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3 cards out of the default 27(???? i think)

dull horizon
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streaming some any% unrestricted attempts :)

dull horizon
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had a 23 minute darkwood exit that died bc i forgot to open anura

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:[

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had crusade floor skips on every dungeon

icy basin
narrow snow
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That lines up with what i was thinking. 16 bad, 14 helpful, 6 good.

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And theres only like 15 cards at default. 12 from shops, 4 knucklebones, 5 from random things

dull horizon
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oh okie

icy basin
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My advice, if you’re new to speedrunning the game then take the trot cards. They compensate for the difficulty caused by wearing fleece, and that allows you to learn the run better until eventually fleece is all you need.

Tons of healing too.

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(I also take IV weapons cause it helps dagger and sword ramp up much, much faster)

dull horizon
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yeah you def wanna have 3 sermons

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preferably all before 2nd area

icy basin
# dull horizon preferably all before 2nd area

My pattern (NMG) is

  1. Mandatory First Sermon
  2. Sermon with first Ritual, preferably after recruiting followers for Anura
  3. Sermon with Fleece

This gets IV weapons with the same trip, which saves time, and usually gets it early on the third day

narrow snow
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Gonna try recording things. We’ll see how this goes

narrow snow
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Looks like helob glitched again…so thid runs not going to be able to be submitted

split saddle
narrow snow
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Ye

split saddle
# narrow snow Ye

as far as i'm aware, often times he's gonna glitch out until you get your next patch which should be pretty soon honestly

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maybe you could just practice other stuff until the patch fixes it LambOoo

narrow snow
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Ima casual speedrunner. Im very much at the point where i just want to get a recorded run for the boards and then move on to other things. Anywho my capture card isn’t even playing nice and seems to have only saved about half my footage anyway.

cold sequoia
dull horizon
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just had the dumbest softlock of all time

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i hate playing this game so fucking much

wheat trout
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I've also only had it in SC but I doubt it's related

dull horizon
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i didnt even mean to pick up the gauntlets,,,, i wanted hounds,,,,,

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but also How did i get hit

pastel canopy
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Yall lookin drippy mate

dull horizon
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agdq's game list releases tomorrow

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we shall see if lamb got in

buoyant granite
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ooooooOOOoooo

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fingies crossed then

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and praise the lamb

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🙏

narrow snow
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Interesting

dull horizon
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i wont be too sad if it doesnt but i am hopeful

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im also sure others have submitted it so we shall see if anyone else made it in

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if anyone else gets it in and needs a commentator lmk i love talking

icy basin
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If it doesn’t, they have the late submission period, right?

dull horizon
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nope

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late submission period is only for games that released between initial submission period and then

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so sonic frontiers troll

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also live with any% unrestricted runs :)

modest stratus
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When I wake up. I shall see

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Im hoping we got in

dull horizon
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ill post here if we do

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hoping that im home when they post game list so i can livestream a reaction

buoyant granite
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I saw there was someone else that submitted a run to it as well?

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I don't remember who it was, but I didn't remember the name being familiar at all

dull horizon
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there might be some people who submitted privately so could be more