💨・speedrunning

[weak pike]

I've been able to do all the glitches in current still

[icy basin]

Thank you for the advice and introduction 😊

Well, I just got OoB by accidentally going too fast 😅

[autumn niche]

So follower cloning is allowed?

Interesting...

[terse ruin]

oh wait

how?

[weak pike]

Early Base Skip gets you OoB

Technically

[blazing forum]

no, that IS considered a major glitch so it is banned in No Major Glitches lol

[autumn niche]

[wheat trout]

cute speedrun.com favicon, mayhaps

imma drop it here, did it for fun

legit just made the eye larger so it reads better when smol

[limpid bane]

Hi peeps, is Controller or Keyboard prefered for this run ? Is there anything we cannot do on Controller ?

[jovial viper]

i think its mostly down to preference but most people play with keyboard

[fleet plaza]

With mouse you can aim hammer better

[jovial viper]

or at least it seems that way

[fleet plaza]

Also with mouse you can choose which direction to attack without moving

[limpid bane]

Nice ! Thanks :)

[fleet plaza]

I recommend also to play on pc

Console players seem to be experiencing exponentially more bugs

[little willow]

Most people play with controller iirc

But do the skips with kbm

[narrow snow]

They’re prioritizing updating pc and then every so often put out an update for console. Switch is on like 1.0.3 but pc is what, 1.0.14 now?

[grim kayak]

I tried a Marriage%, didn't have a route in mind
Got 26:16 and an interesting kiss

No autosplit though, not sure when to stop the timer

[livid basin]

If you have the loads removed, then it should be right

[grim kayak]

I mean the time is correct, I used autosplit to start timer and Base split, but I have to end the timer manually

[dull horizon]

question

did the tp glitch get patched in new patch?

i just remembered i never downpatched and that might be why i couldnt hit tp

[livid basin]

No?

I have played with like the newest patch and it has worked fine

[stuck tide]

Love me marrage

[dull horizon]

hm

incheresting

[grim kayak]

Take two doctrines in Law&Order (bottom right in doctrine pentacle), first doctrine doesn't matter but 2nd is marriage ritual

Ritual takes 75 bones, + 25 for bonfire

To get the 2 doctrines + bonfire, you need 3 stones
1 stone is guaranteed in tutorial
You need to get the 6 other fragments on your own, beating bosses, befriending followers, and you can find some in cat shop for free during crusades

I think the run is RNG heavy depending on how many cat shops you get, and because you don't do any crusade after max DW4 random layout generation is more important

Run is dead if you didn't find at least 1 fragment in a random room or with Cat shop. You get 3 from bosses, 1 from the follower Ratau gifted. You can try getting another one from a follower if you find a gift in a crusade.

[grim kayak]

That's the 6 fragments part :)
3 fragments = 1 stone

Oh right !
There's a knucklebone% in #🏆・pb-posting already, I didn't try myself

I've not tried sacrifice% yet

That's sacrificing through ritual as fast as possible right ?

[livid basin]

Any gameover% runners here :^)

[blazing forum]

Death% tho

[livid basin]

That could work too

[blazing forum]

Tbh, softlock% is evem better

[grim kayak]

First softlock is at temple building right ?

Oh no I softlocked around the first oob before

[blazing forum]

Lol

[grim kayak]

I just got the most insane RNG but didn't beat my no plan run 😬 Got 26:36

[modest stratus]

L

[grim kayak]

The category is just beating them in a row, you don't start from a fresh file

[strange coral]

Guys gonna do bingo events?

Like lockout bingo

[limpid bane]

Hey, can I get some help with the auto livesplitter ? :/ I have issues with events triggering multiple splits at once :

Would appreciate it a lot

Example of the setup :
Entering Base for the first time was at 2:37, it triggered 2 splits at once

Maybe I missed something in the explanation video, gotta check it again

[blazing forum]

Do you have the old autosplitter still active?

that's what generally does that

[limpid bane]

Ooh that might be the option I checked :

Should be disabled maybe ?

[blazing forum]

No

Is that the only autosplitter you've used?

[limpid bane]

Ever, yes

[blazing forum]

hmm

can I see your shamura options?

[blazing forum]

huh

[limpid bane]

2:37 was base first time, 20:52 was fleece (was checked at this time) 26:14 was Leshy, which triggered 2 splits

[blazing forum]

I'm not really sure what's causing this one if you don't have any other autosplitter. I think the option might be to just delete the livesplit folder and install again

if it still happens then then I'd talk to glcoder

[weak pike]

Did you take out the AutoLiveSplitter in the Edit Layout section?

[blazing forum]

or Steve's #1 Henchman

[weak pike]

Once you activate in the Edit Splits page. You should remove that

[blazing forum]

But leshy didn't double split and he said he's never used a previous one

but yeah, that's why I asked

[weak pike]

Could uncheck the box and re check it.

Sounds stupid, might fix it

[limpid bane]

Do you mean this layout editor ?

[weak pike]

Yes

[limpid bane]

So should I remove it ?

[weak pike]

Iirc yes you should remove it

[limpid bane]

I haven't figured out the dynamic and how everything magically works, thanks for your help :D

[weak pike]

It's further explained and better in the pinned messages too

[limpid bane]

Oh, this explains that then

That was exactly that, I had duplicate entry because I blindly followed the ytb tutorial without understanding :D Thanks both of you !

(And didn't check pinned messages)

[blazing forum]

lol that explains it

[weak pike]

Glad we can help :]

Nad gl on your runs ❤️

[sudden nacelle]

My time has come!

So, for the newest misc. category Knucklebones, do I have to submit a run from when I select my profile to beating the last player, or can I start the video from inside the lonely shake?

[narrow snow]

“Start from choosing your game file screen, a game that already been started may be chosen. All participants in Knuckle Bones may already be unlocked. Time starts when the first game of Knuckle Bones starts. Time Ends upon seeing the last victory screen after defeating all players.” -Speedrun.com rules

[stuck tide]

So you have to exit out of the game for every run and run back from the cult every time?

[icy basin]

So, the NMG rules don’t mention OoB on speedrun.com. Is that correct?

It only mention cloning and teleport

[modest stratus]

Well theres no real use for oob currently so yeah

[halcyon grove]

are there loading zones at the doors in the dungeon rooms?

[modest stratus]

/shrug

[jade stump]

Who made the autosplitter? Im interested in the autosplitter splitting for each mini boss being defeated

[terse ruin]

MAN WHY YALL HURT YOURSELEVS FOR THIS

;-;

[icy basin]

Fun fact learned the hard way, not feeding your followers makes them unworthy meals to eldritch horrors

The One in the Darkness wont' eat hungry followers, so I missed a cycle to get the golden fleece on NMG

[modest stratus]

I made the demo asl, which eventually got moved to the full one, made by @rancid dust. I can show you how if you'd like

[rancid dust]

The current ASL made by me. I'll check on weekend if I can add mini-boss splits. I'll let you know then.

[modest stratus]

i'll open dnspy up to see if there's anything you could use

okay yeah 100% just start on MiniBossManager
@rancid dust

[rancid dust]

ok, I'll check this later!

[grim kayak]

My gf suggested EatPoop%, timer stops when the lamb eats a poop meal

[grim kayak]

You can softlock the game before you chose your savefile.
On the starting screen, "Press a key to continue", press a key on your controller and immediately unplug it. Congrats you're softlocked on that screen

[little crest]

you can die to the spawned minions after you kill leshy???

wtf :(

i got the heart and then was locked in the cutscene and died to a monster

[grim kayak]

Yeah that got fixed, so it's only a bug in downpatch

[little crest]

damn

[grim kayak]

Another ultra early softlock is trying the crown cutscene skip too early

[dull horizon]

yeah

[little crest]

ok so maybe a dumb question here

if i dont get 30 gold in DW1 am i just screwed

i cant build the shrine and i cant leave the cult lmao

[buoyant granite]

depends what version youre running

[little crest]

1.0.11

[buoyant granite]

if its 1.0.11 or earlier then yes you get softlocked

[little crest]

unfortunater

[buoyant granite]

it happens

[little crest]

im just trying to get a run done and ive died to bugs both times

lol

or just flaws in game design

thats what i get for being greedy with golden fleece

also one more question

i dont rly get the thing about selecting the difficulty for a file before you start

how does that work

i have to select it mid run every time

[grim kayak]

When you start the game and create a save, default difficulty will be Normal.
By opening a save with Easy difficulty before your run, default difficulty for the tutorial will be easy instead. You still have to select easy when you first arrive to your cult

Having the tutorial being easy instead of normal is a good timesave because you can oneshot most of the enemies, and the 2 rocks on the 1st floor take 1 hit to break

[little crest]

oh i see

so i open it on another file?

bc im doing runs on easy and resetting the file but the tutorial is still normal

so i assume it has to be a different file

[grim kayak]

Try to have a saved file you can open and set to easy every time you launch the game.
If you don't close the game between runs, difficulty will stay easy

[little crest]

just to confirm
it shouldnt be the file on which i am doing the runs

unless i dont close the game?

[grim kayak]

If you just start a run, set it on easy and close it instantly, next tutorial will still be normal

[weak pike]

If you go to your settings and check to verify it will auto adjust to Medium.

A good way to make sure you're on Easy is after you get the red crown and dodge roll your heart out. If you one shot the rocks or not

[little crest]

ok i get all of this

but none of this is what im asking

[grim kayak]

Don't delete the fle you set to easy and start your run on a new one

[little crest]

will it work if i set the game to easy on one file, then while the game is still open, reset another file and start a run on that one

it is unclear

bc ive done what ur saying and it doesnt work

[weak pike]

But yes before starting every run you have to open an existing game set that to Easy, and when you create another file it will be on Easy

[little crest]

when i reset the file that im doing runs on, even if i dont close the game or go to settings

the rocks still take two hits

[weak pike]

I just delete the file I was speedrunning on and creat new

[little crest]

thats what ive been doing every time

[weak pike]

I don't think actually resetting it triggers it

Not sure actually. I just find something that works and stuck with that

[little crest]

by resetting i just mean deleting and creating a new save on the same file

[weak pike]

Oh then yeah

[buoyant granite]

as long as the file you played and are now deleting was set to easy then yes that will be fine

[little crest]

but it isnt fine

lmao

it doesnt work

[weak pike]

It does

[little crest]

idk what im doing wrong then

im trying it again rn

[weak pike]

If you open your settings to "check" it will set to Medium. You have to check by hitting rocks after you get the crown

[grim kayak]

You still have your casual file ? Set its difficulty on easy and open it when launching the game

[weak pike]

If you one hit rocks. You're on Easy

[little crest]

im aware

[buoyant granite]

just use another save and set that to easy first before swapping to a new save to be safe

[little crest]

i have not opened settings

yeah i just tried it again

two hits

jfc

[weak pike]

And your opening an existing file before and setting that to Easy?

Before starting a new

[little crest]

i reset my previous run that was easy

did not close the game or open settings

then started a new save on that file

[livid basin]

I think you still need to set the difficulty to easy when you can, so it isn't on normal on tutorial dungeon

not 100% sure

[weak pike]

Open File A. Save settings to Easy. Close that game and then "Start New Game". You will be in Easy in new game

[little crest]

repeating the same thing is not helpful lol

ill try to figure it out myself

[buoyant granite]

i mean yeah idk how to help anymore unfortunately sorry

its just usually worked for the rest of us

[little crest]

i appreciate the effort but i do understand how it is supposed to work in theory

its just not

[buoyant granite]

maybe try a fresh install if nothing else works?

[little crest]

if all else fails ill just try reinstalling

yeah

[weak pike]

Then you might be on current patch

[little crest]

then ill downpatch again

[grim kayak]

I'm current patch and it works

Just made a video for you

on its way

[little crest]

bruh

please

i understand how to do it

anything further just feels patronizing

like i dont want to seem ungrateful for the effort

but as i said, i have all the relevant info now

ill try to figure it out

[weak pike]

I mean we're just trying to help.

I had the same issue for a very long time and then Dez told me how it actually works

[little crest]

i understand

i appreciate it and am politely asking you to stop now

thank you

[grim kayak]

got it 👌 Good luck

[little crest]

ok well 17th times the charm

just randomly started working

[buoyant granite]

lmao lets go

gotta love the endless barrage of bugs

[little crest]

for some reason it didnt work with deleting the old easy save

i had to make a new one

and then do it on a different file

as long as it works

alright, barring all unforeseen bugs, ill try to complete my first full run

[wheat trout]

glhf

[grim kayak]

glhf!

[little crest]

oh joy

i softlocked

yay

rolled into the temple as soon as i finished building it

lmao

didnt realize that was a bad thing

[livid basin]

You did it too slowly :^)

[little crest]

oh is that an actual thing

didnt realize lmao

yeah unfortunately my movement is pretty bad rn since I moved to Thailand and I'm on my laptop now

completely different setup that I'm still adjusting to

[autumn niche]

lol

My new hobby is visiting speedrunning discord at least once a day to see if people got softlocked

[little crest]

cute pfp

[jade stump]

Going live with more runs for sub-1:20. Come hang out.

https://twitch.tv/allison8bit

[grim kayak]

Have you seen the softlock on the starting screen "Press any key to continue" ? :')

[autumn niche]

Not yet

@buoyant granite lvl 4 weapons upgrade really helps on current patch.

I tried running without the upgrade doing my downpatched route and got 1:20:49, then I ran again now with the upgrade and a different route and got 1:20:59 BUT I had terrible rng and played really bad as well

So maybe by having better rng and playing better a sub 1:15:00 is possible

[weak pike]

How much for lvl 4 weapons?

[icy basin]

Is this in NMG or Unrestricted?

[autumn niche]

Unrestricted, but I think it is possible for NMG too

[autumn niche]

It's the third unlockable sermon upgrade

[weak pike]

How much physical faith tho. Cause if you do one sermon maybe two sermons to help with time

[grim kayak]

@autumn niche What's your route for level 4 weapons ?

I do sermon at bonfire ritual, Leshy without fleece and A1 before SC1 for the remaining sermon

https://youtu.be/q3ebSeK19L8

I haven't watched sisuka's 1:14 current patch run yet but that's an impressive time

[wheat trout]

fuck that's current patch

I didn't even notice

[autumn niche]

This is Dezi's route

I made it different

I went until day 3 without the fleece > third sermon to get lvl 4 weapons upgrade > follower dupe and golden fleece

Don't know which one is faster still

[grim kayak]

I think DW4 without fleece can be fast, you'll most likely have axe and can spam it with dash attacks pretty easily
That means earlier omnipresence and future timesaves

I'll definetly give these routes a shot though, thanks !

[autumn niche]

I had dagger lol

[jade stump]

So, I've been doing DW1-3, sermon after bonfire at 7, dupe and gfleece, SC1+2, then unlock weapon upgrades

interesting to do AD1 and AN1 before DW4

but Im still on 1.0.11

idk, this is an interesting speedgame with some of the glitches, but it really just becomes frustrating when you roughly need to do hitless runs and get good rng to get good times.

[autumn niche]

I think going for hitless is rewarding

[jade stump]

It feels rewarding when you are successful and it becomes substantially easier as you do it more, but it doesnt feel particularly fun. especially when you get stuck on hammer or daggers somewhere

[buoyant granite]

You have to kill one if you go to SC1 so would be faster to do AN1 and AD1 instead

[buoyant granite]

Let's gooo

My hours of Microsoft paint streams seeming to pay off lmaoo

[icy basin]

I find the fleece to be kind of interesting, having a mechanic which makes times vary based on raw skill, but the luck gets frustrating. Especially with hammers being bad for speed, especially when you have fleece.

I wouldn’t mind a small buff to Glass Cannon and White Fleece to make them more viable. For white fleece, that one isn’t even good casually despite it being conceptually perfect for speed running. Getting tarot buffs immediately saves time, but 4 cards tends to give a bit of health and not much damage.

And the only reason I don’t run glass cannon is the halved melee damage.

[autumn niche]

Wait. How?

Dupe 4, kill 1 in SC1

That leaves us with 2 followers only

How do you get the other 6 needed for the sermon in only 2 maps?

[jade stump]

I get 2 each in SC1, SC2, one in DW4, and buy 1-2 from Helob

[autumn niche]

So that makes you always go for followers and not for the fastest route on your crusades

[jade stump]

Yeah. I literally force myself into follower paths through SC2

so its almost certainly faster to try other variations

On 1.0.11, do you still get the sermon for curses? or do you only ever do the first sermon?

[blazing forum]

we're trying to route in a third lol

[jade stump]

Yeah. I do 3, but it feels like a safety

[blazing forum]

it depends

[jade stump]

I thought the discussion was primarily for current patch

[blazing forum]

if you're there anyway it's barely a time loss but a huge gain in other areas

[jade stump]

Yeah. Im getting better at SC with my current route, but I lose like a minute per time I drop my gfleece it seems

the weapon/curse upgrade helps a ton with that

[wheat trout]

it's mental that sisuka got that 1h14 on 1.0.14

I won't stop talking ab this man

just tried a 1.0.14 run myself, comparing to pb (also 1h14 but it's downpatched)

1 min lead pre gfleece, got the fleece at 17:37

after that just steady 20 second loss per area

so much harder

[livid basin]

Yeah, losing gofleece is much more punishing in newer patches

[wheat trout]

why does the leaderboard still use the old AS?

[livid basin]

Working on it

I'll be fixing those when my classes are done for today

[visual anvil]

aw speedrunners kneel before toww?

what if you had to fight toww, kneeling is so sad in the story

[livid basin]

That is not fast smh

We will/might have category of all bosses later which includes killing TOWW

[icy basin]

TOWW would add about 4 minutes to the end of the game. 😅Gotta go fast.

[jade stump]

I think Im gonna mess around with alternative routes for weapon upgrades on 1.0.11 today when I stream.

[wheat trout]

didnt this happen last patch lol

[livid basin]

Yeah

[jade stump]

The question marks can be miniboss fights, but can they ever be a boss fight in the first crusade? I think they are always a miniboss you've already beaten, so it is free in any first crusade

[livid basin]

I have only seen ? minibosses in AD and SC

[grim kayak]

I have the same assumption

[jade stump]

I will try to intentionally path towards any ? in crusade #1s and potentially try to see if later ones have minibosses in AN/DW

I think there are definite time saves and reroute potential, but I think our overall game knowledge is just lacking. Like, there might be a certain pathing we can take to guarantee the maximize our chance of good weapons or something

Also, while we mostly agree that weapon/curse upgrades is not worth going for, I think it might be worth getting the extra curses in because of how strong hounds is

but also, I think it changes the weapons. maybe it is just superstition

[livid basin]

There are few set weapons, beginning sword, axe, dagger. After 1st boss is beaten gauntlets and hammer after 2nd

boss = bishop

[icy basin]

In my experience they seem to be toned down bosses too with more limited movesets. Faster than freeing a follower from a sacrifice if fleece is charged.

[icy basin]

I’ve actually been considering using the demon hearts to get the recall ability just to re-roll particularly bad RNG (specifically if you get more than two unskippable dungeon sections between the start and boss)

[icy basin]

Ya know, that’s interesting actually. I hate the hammer and removing it from the pool by not killing bosses in order might be worthwhile.

[jade stump]

Nah. Its just after a second bishop, you are forced into hammer

We already get the recall ability as it saves time to exit out of each crusade after we convert the miniboss/take the bishop's heart

[livid basin]

Order doesn't matter. This is actually routed by going Anchordeep 3rd, since hammer works there better than in Anura

[icy basin]

Really? I didn’t know that. That’s really nice actually.

[jade stump]

Saves like 15s per room and skips all the dialogue with TOWW

[icy basin]

I’ve just found I’m faster with the other weapons since I tend to break fleece with hammer, and the overkill often results in it being a slow weapon even when I don’t get hit

[grim kayak]

A lot of actual fighting techs are also unknown, we're not good a using our weapons yet

Like the sword for example, the most optimal way to use it I found is to chain 1 hit and 1 dash attack and just repeat that

And no one do that

[icy basin]

I’ve found that’s true of the axe too

And maximizing multi hits is critical for all weapons

[grim kayak]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxu18DQmePepz-ubFA6NgB5Qe7pj0wKUd1

[icy basin]

Also, spell casting at the right times. Occasionally the whole enemy groups lines up, or you can throw a projectile, dash under, and hit an enemy as soon as they spawn with both weapon and spell

[jade stump]

nah. axe has a better tech. if you watch eleotan's new wr, you can constantly get the third hit on axe by a roll cancel. it is used against sharmura

[icy basin]

Didn’t know you could do that with the axe too. I just knew roll-cancel on the gauntlets.

[grim kayak]

I agree axe is better, but if you're forced to use sword it's better to know how to use it optimally

There must be a way to do this with dagger too, I think it's possible to chain more hits before the bad finisher

[jade stump]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxrSiyyQ-DYRNOPBtWsJ0Y1vmrwbiWmbOn

idk if that is a roll cancel or what, but constantly getting the last attack

[grim kayak]

Yeah I like to do this but waiting for axe finisher is too slow, you can do it on first hit

That's roll cancel

[jade stump]

yeah, I usually roll cancel the first hit to remove all the end lag from the axe swing

Im need to get better at it for gauntlets

[icy basin]

I’ve found the axe is best cause of the AOE. Claws are similar but clunky. And I’m just the best with sword despite its abysmal DPS 😅

[grim kayak]

Also, on controller I found out that roll cancelling axe without touching your control stick will auto-roll into the enemy. That's handy to melt down bosses

[livid basin]

I usually just lose my fleece when doing these tricks :^)

[icy basin]

Gauntlets are hard, but rewarding when it lands.

[jade stump]

Yeah. I think my current ordering is Axe>Claws>Sword>Daggers>Hammer, though Hammer is okay sometimes. Both daggers and hammer I look to swap when possible, but the rest I just stick with

[icy basin]

Same 😅 it’s why I do best with sword. It’s simple so I can focus on dodging.

[grim kayak]

imo axe is better than gauntlets just because it hits hard from first hit. Gauntlets finisher and roll cancel is way better than axe's though

It just takes too long to get to the finisher

compared to axe roll cancel from 1st hit

[livid basin]

Axe is more consistant

[icy basin]

Hammer is great against bosses, but I find myself slowed cause it take time to reposition and chase. Otherwise it would be better.

[jade stump]

but the best thing about claws are the range

the hurtbox of those extends for miles

[icy basin]

Oh yeah, especially for follower freeing. You can hit whole spawn groups if you time it right.

[jade stump]

I think Ill try with no upgrades today. I get through most of SC hitless these days and AD is just trash with hammer.

Im interested in Eleotan's reasoning for no longer doing AN1 after AD2

[grim kayak]

That sword tech also allows faster tutorial split, it's like you one hit the enemies you're supposed to two-hit

[autumn niche]

Yes it is

[jade stump]

Going live with runs. Gonna try no safety strats and no upgrades. Lets not drop GFleece

[copper trout]

pro tip: if you drop fleece, it's bad

[autumn niche]

You should do them occasionally, like when there's only one big dude left in the room, or when fighting a boss or mini boss. Overall playing safe is still the best way of playing fast

[autumn niche]

I started indocrinating 8 followers after SC in order to get the bishops' cutscenes in AD1, AD2, A1, A3 and so skiping some fights there. So basically A1 after AD2 became my backup route in case I don't have enough followers after finishing SC

[haughty pecan]

I just posted my personal best and haven't posted anything else until now.
But last night I got banned. Because I posted spam.(?)
Maybe we are hacked without doing anything.

[sudden nacelle]

There have been a lot of hacks as of late

[haughty pecan]

If I get hacked again, I might quit this game because I can't get speedrun information.

[calm peak]

Hey can you have already have beaten all participants for knuckle bones& on the save file, it doesn't specify in the rules

[sudden nacelle]

The current runner has all of them beaten, that's what I am doing

[grim kayak]

The end of my first ever downpatch run

[blazing forum]

haven't seen that one

[grim kayak]

me neither :')

[autumn niche]

Lul wat

[grim kayak]

I just got your softlock for mashing too fast as well

[autumn niche]

🤝

[livid basin]

You would had had to recollect and cook that meal anyways, since you did that too quickly. The quest to cook the meal wasn't open

[grim kayak]

oh that's how it works ! Thanks

[narrow snow]

Oh hey there’s actually a 100% run up on the boards. Neat. Are they in here?

[weak pike]

If it was anyone I thought it would be you

[narrow snow]

I play on switch and haven’t been able to get a stable recording. also my unrecorded segmented run was about an hour shorter and ended on day 34 instead of 58

I think im going to have to try streaming the run to be able to record the whole thing. And im waiting for another patch for switch since im still getting crashes on occasion.

[buoyant granite]

starting up some more WR attempts on stream for those whose interest is piqued :))

[modest stratus]

just to make sure people know, we will not be doing the race this week, thank you and have a great rest of the week :)

[weak pike]

Good. I won't be embarrassed again this time 😄

[modest stratus]

lel

[grim kayak]

I think I need some clarification on the Sacrifice% rules from the leaderboard

We're talking about the ritual TOWW gives you right ? Because if we can use the sacrifice from Law&Order 1st doctrine it's roughly marriage% minus pressing wait for 1 day

[eager dagger]

is the gold fleeces still broken?

[narrow snow]

On current patch its uncapped but slower boost.

I think it doesn’t save enough time but im not sure.

[grim kayak]

That's still broken compared to other fleeces or fleeceless on current patch, just less broken than 1.0.11-

[narrow snow]

Well all the fleeces have a down side as well their benefit. Pretty clear from a design standpoint that none of the fleeces were supposed to be objectively better then the normal fleece.

[wheat trout]

well, if that were true how would they be upgrades?

or are you saying they're not even meant to be upgrades?

[blazing forum]

Im pretty sure they were all meant to be upgrades that depend on your playstyle lol

[narrow snow]

Exactly. Each encourages a type of play style while the basic is well rounded.

[sudden nacelle]

The KnuckleBones cat. is a little confused

There were some on medium, and now they're all on easy?

[blazing forum]

Knucklebones doesnt matter diff

They dont change based on difficulty

[icy basin]

Yep. They drastically change some aspect of play without providing an objective or direct boost. The closest to a straight upgrade is the purple fleece, which is only bad if you die.

[nimble widget]

On the surface that's probably the intention, but in practice only Golden and Glass really play differently from my experience. The former because it forces you to be become a dodgegod and the latter because it makes your entire thing about curses. The others are more like mutators than anything else. There's also the fact that Glass is bugged and doesn't actually halve your weapon damage currently, so there's that

[icy basin]

The white fleece is good for being fast casually. It usually gives a pretty hefty starting life boost and a bit of damage or resource boosts as well. The blue fleece is better on higher difficulties where your small life pool and low luck makes healing really hard.

[grim kayak]

I played with white and glasscanon fleeces for my casual run because they fitted my playstyle, I play golden on speedrun because that's the best for speedrun, people who get hit A LOT will play purple on their casual...
Just different options for different playstyles, that's pretty well designed :)

[icy basin]

That was my experience too. Purple fleece was fun casually, having (effectively) a regenerating shield.

I always felt the white fleece was a direct downgrade after the early game though. Later levels are long enough that you lose out on a ton of tarot cards, especially when you have the gold to buy the extra one. Plus, choosing from 2 instead of getting a random is incredibly useful, so the random 4 are usually underwhelming.

[grim kayak]

Speedrunning is a very niche playstyle, it sounds impossible to design fleeces that are all equally good for the same category. One has to be better, I believe golden fleece is really hard to use in a casual gameplay on current patch

[grim kayak]

That's why I switched to glass canon :p I believe it's the best fleece if you can afford to take the time to use tarot cards

[icy basin]

Absolutely. I also think designing around speed running isn’t good design. It’s nice to consider them (an example is how Deltarune has a hidden item for skipping dialogue, which is near impossible to find casually) but part of speed runnings fun is just beating the game itself and optimizing.

[nimble widget]

It currently pretty much is. But mostly because it's bugged as I said

[icy basin]

I may try glass cannon next time I speedrun. I’ve been having terrible luck with golden lately 😅

[icy basin]

Yeah, without the bug I’d say it’s too much dps loss, but with it the extra spells could prove really strong. Especially if you take the spell pack instead of bane weapons and get the weapon upgrades.

[nimble widget]

Mhm

Honestly, that's been talked about everywhere at this point but I do think most of the fleeces need some sort of redesign, as I said most of them aren't really all that different, and they're the only thing you can actually customise for crusades

[grim kayak]

I don't believe glasscanon has a speedrun potential, but you do you :) Still better than losing your golden fleece buff one room before the boss

Might be good if you unlock curse tarot cards and are lucky with them

But not WR viable

[icy basin]

I think they’re good for casual play. If they were too game changing it would discourage casual players from using them on the first run. Everyone I know of used fleeces near constantly once they unlocked their first one. Some DLC fleeces that are really game changing would be nice.

[icy basin]

Yeah, probably not. Overall I need to just stop taking damage

[nimble widget]

I've heard the opposite, some people straight up didn't use different fleeces because they viewed the downsides as too bad for the benefit

With the exception of Golden which was completely busted

[icy basin]

Old fleece was busted until a boss nicked you. Then people usually just die in three seconds.

[nimble widget]

Pretty much yeah

All your focus gone in an instant

[icy basin]

I did play my first play through on max difficulty though, so to me healing was useless and 1 diseased heart was massive, so blue and purple were good.

[narrow snow]

Ive always been running white fleece on 100%. Im god awful with gold fleese. I also do a lot more short runs for resources so the chance to get rabbits foot and then blue prints is pretty nice.

[nimble widget]

I find that I usually get heart cards or blue hearts often even on extra hard, so "more health" always took a precedent to combat ability. Your enemy can't damage you if they're dead

[icy basin]

That’s a good use for it

[icy basin]

Many a projectile would beg to differ 😅

[nimble widget]

Just deflect them

Or tank them with b l e a t

[narrow snow]

Huh haven’t seen that soft lock before. Went to grab a new curse during a crusade and the lamb just got stuck couldn’t do anything had to menu out.
I think i put in an attack input at the same time. Might be the cause

[visual anvil]

can you actually deflect yellow projectiles?

i know about the arrows

[nimble widget]

No, but you can destroy them with bleat

That turret in anchordeep that shoots a stack of fireballs that split after a second?

Just plant yourself in front of it and

[visual anvil]

incredible

thank you

[icy basin]

Bleat?!?!? Amazing

[nimble widget]

You are speedrunning a game, yet you haven't dissected its every mechanics down to the code like a proper crackhead? Smh my head

It is pretty weird that the game doesn't even tell you about this though

You'd think a button solely dedicated to would be considered essential gameplay like in Stray with the meow button

[icy basin]

I didn’t know about bleat my entire casual play through and felt cheated when I found out

[nimble widget]

I forgot about it in a lot of my kallahammer challenge runs lol

[narrow snow]

Aaaaaahhhhhh why is this soooo long

[charred mirage]

damn

[wheat trout]

????????

holy fug

[grim kayak]

I did not know that and will look at in the code tomorrow thank you

[wheat trout]

but yeah legit bleat is never mentioned even once by the game

I always found that odd

found out ab it only accidentally when I was remapping some controls

[pearl elbow]

Is there a list of speedrun tactics I can look at? Or just some basics for operating the game without meaningfully engaging with follower/cult management

I tried to wing it but I'm 20 days in now, I proved too weak

And they have to be usable by Xbox peasants

[autumn niche]

There is a doc in pinned messages

[pearl elbow]

I can't bleat

Ooo thanks

[pearl elbow]

Are there guides that don't rely on the assumption that you're skilled enough to never get hit

I'm not going for records just my own personal satisfaction

[terse ruin]

The longest i've made it without getting hit was up to the second bishop
Went into the fight and immediately got hit

[pearl elbow]

Yep

[narrow snow]

If you’re too unskilled for the golden fleece i think fleece of glass canon is a good back up?

[nimble widget]

Tbf, game encourages you to never get hit in the first placeblol

[pearl elbow]

Does the teleport glitch work on console?

Probably not, right?

[narrow snow]

No. You must use a mouse.

[pearl elbow]

Hmm ok

[narrow snow]

Awww I actually pulled of talisman glitch in my last run.

Wait @hearty vapor when you mention talisman cloning. Do you mean specifically sacrificing a 5th follower to cut off a talisman elsewhere?

[hearty vapor]

yea exactly

[narrow snow]

Hmhmhm. Yep these rules look good. We could require unlocking all recipes but thats just mild resource management. its also just a good strat to go for those 3 star recipes

[sudden nacelle]

I made a guide that I will be posting in a sec

It’s for Knucklebones

Unless I am not allowed to

Oh well, here I go

[blazing forum]

P much just do NMG route for console. If you want to still do unrestricted then you can include follower duping to unlock the areas early

[narrow snow]

Wheres the knucklebones guide?

[sudden nacelle]

On the leaderboards

Where it belongs

[sudden nacelle]

https://www.speedrun.com/cult_of_the_lamb/guides

[narrow snow]

Oh yeah that seems like a great place for that. I should put my 100% guide in there…you need a run submitted before you can post a guide dont you.

[sudden nacelle]

Already submitted

A run that is

I am number 1

[narrow snow]

….i have a document that i put together as a guide for 100%. I would submit it to the website but i don’t see how to. Which is possibly because i don’t have a run on it.

[sudden nacelle]

I think you need to have run at least once to submit a guide, me thinks

[narrow snow]

Feels like the more i play this game/runs i do the better feel i get at prioritizing things.

Really wish console play time wasn’t completely broken. Then i might have an actual idea on how things are going. Still 13 divine inspirations and 10 dungeon runs by day 11 feels pretty good.

[grim kayak]

After these foul allegations, as the proper crackhead I am I went into the code and did some testing : it seems that bleat makes you fully invincible for roughly .8 to 1 second. It also breaks projectiles.
The animation is a little bit longer than the invincibility frames, so you have to account for a few frames of vulnerability before you can roll
The animation can not be cancelled by roll nor attack

[copper trout]

That's probably good info for speed tech!

[nimble widget]

That's more like it! Though I already knew most of that, but the exact numbers is very useful

[dull horizon]

gonna get back into actually running this game soon

if i could get the damn game to downpatch....

crying

[autumn niche]

@dull horizon

[dull horizon]

i know how to

[opal root]

I think my game softlocked when I entered the temple for the first time?

Can't move, all I can do is open the menu and my inventory

[knotty tusk]

did you enter before you talked to the guy

cause mine does that if i enter too slowly

[opal root]

I entered as soon as it was finished building

[knotty tusk]

yeah dodge rolling in the building helped for me

[opal root]

Alright.

Thank you.

[icy basin]

If you enter at the same time that Ratau starts the conversation it soft locks

Gotta be really fast

[opal root]

so make sure your in the temple before his dialogue starts, got it.

[autumn niche]

That's called slow fast temple

If you enter the temple when Ratau's dialog has already started, the game softlocks

[lethal basin]

Oh so you can do sermons before Ratau's dialogue?

Like I accidentally got through the loading zone during one of Ratau's dialogues. But, I didn't think his dialogue was that broken.

Is there any way of getting into darkwood before finishing the tutorial yet?

[grim kayak]

Na, you'll get the dialogue but inside the temple

[lethal basin]

Oh cool

[grim kayak]

There's no way (that we know of) to skip any part of the tutorial :/

[lethal basin]

I accidentally clipped into the wall during a dungeon the other day by picking up and dropping my spells repeatedly.

It didn't do anything for where I was I just got stuck and had to restart.

[lethal basin]

Ah gotcha. Well maybe it'll come one day

[grim kayak]

I want to try that ._.

[lethal basin]

yeah it might be worth something if you can do it in the last room

like if you're on the first mini-boss and finish it and then clip outside in the final room. No clue if there's a loading zone there or not.

But, if there is maybe you could fight Leshy early.

[grim kayak]

I want to try it with the tarot card that gives you mapping so you know where to go
I believe floors are loaded all at once, maybe if you know where to go you can trigger a loading zone idk

[lethal basin]

But I don't think you can get any spells in that room.

So are all of the rooms and floors loaded into the same like... plane?

if so you could just wander around until you find the right room.

Either way it would skip a lot of fights if you can do something with it.

But like I said I just got stuck

[grim kayak]

One floor at the time but yeah I believe that's how it works. There's no loading time between rooms

[lethal basin]

okay cool

[grim kayak]

Yeah it will probably end like that anyway 😬 Still worth trying

[lethal basin]

Absolutely

[grim kayak]

For science

[hearty vapor]

only one room is loaded at all times

if you enter the next room the current room just gets replaced and ur position is at the opposite side

[lethal basin]

That makes sense

[grim kayak]

:(

thanks for clarifying :')

[lethal basin]

But yeah not sure if getting out of bounds during a dungeon would be helpful

[hearty vapor]

at least that's my interpretation, because for example when you kill an enemy who drops a bomb, if you enter the next room at just the right time, the bomb will explode in the next room instead and deal dmg there

[lethal basin]

the only room you'd really wanna do it in would be the portal room

Loading one room at a time per scene makes sense in code too. I mean the rooms are clearly pre-generated since you can see whether a room has Clauneck. So probably what's happening is the entire floor is loaded, but only one room is "enabled" at a time. When you go through a door the room that's enabled gets swapped. So if you wanted to use something like going out of bounds, you would first have to make sure the thing you want to exploit with going out of bounds is enabled.

Probably the only reason they disable rooms is to help with performance. Because they render quite a few assets on screen at a time to sell that beautiful 2.5D vibe lmao.

there isn't much you can even do in the portal room though right now. Aside from talking to seed guy and spider friend you just open and go through doors.

[narrow snow]

I do believe that the loading zone behind locked doors aren’t actually there until the door is opened. We know that’s true of the area doors at the cult.

[wheat trout]

yea game's made in such a way that theres no merit in going OOB

[prisma ridge]

The fastest I was able to beat the one who waits from a fresh save file was in 30 in game days

On max difficulty

Any tips -w-

[livid basin]

Ignore cult members, just keep em fed and tell them to lay down if sick (only in extreme situations and higher diff) and keep you cult as small as possible

and watch someone else's speedrun to see all the tricks like TP glitch follower duping

[prisma ridge]

Oh damn

Followe duping??

I’ll definitely look into it

[livid basin]

Look pins and there you should find any% easy guide

Glitch is outlined there and some others

[narrow snow]

Yeah any% just keeps all their followers waiting to be indoctrinated till the very end. Which is especially important to extra hard when they die quicker.

Good thing you said extra hard i was going be like my 100% only take around 35 in game days.

[limpid bane]

Omw to start my first recorded attempt :)

[grim kayak]

Just PBed at 1:21 with a death at the very end I'm malding 😬

[grim kayak]

gl hf :)

[icy basin]

Dang. Those late deaths are expensive too

[grim kayak]

Like I died 4 (!!) minutes into AN4, layout was terrible and I couldn't have picked a faster route, didn't even make it to Heket.
Then proceeded to kill him in 2:30 😬

Had a terrible start and bad AC as well, I know I can get 1:15 just keep grinding 💪

[limpid bane]

I softlocked twice today in new places, I keep learning new things everyday

[grim kayak]

We should have softlocks documented somewhere so people know how not to get stucked

[narrow snow]

Lol. 100% doesn’t even care if we die. Its a mild inconvenience if we were going for the full run but otherwise no problem

[dull horizon]

does someone wanna help me figure out early teleport glitch 👉 👈

ive never actually managed to do it lol

[hearty vapor]

https://youtu.be/X8Lg7KcHKEU

not trying to self-advertise, but welp

[dull horizon]

video tutorial interrobang!

since when

[hearty vapor]

since like a month lol

[dull horizon]

who cares lol

oh i see what im doing wrong

okay literally got it first try

LMFAO

[hearty vapor]

yea once you know what u have to do it's really simple, and even if you miss once u lose like 5 seconds only to go for a 2nd try

[dull horizon]

have there been any new strats?

ive been dead but im gonna try to get a good time so i can submit for gdq

[hearty vapor]

well you can speed up the game in cult by clicking Y (on xbox controller), if you do that between every indoctrination you save like a minute at the end

but not much else i think

[dull horizon]

oh really

never thought of that before

smart though

[icy basin]

I swear it’s always like that. I died to Kallamar earlier this week 9 minutes into DC4 after a long duel (lost my fleece just before and picked the wrong path), then killed him in 3 minutes in my second attempt. The first fight lasted a minute and the second about 8 seconds with fleece.

[hearty vapor]

1:15 is pretty much guaranteed if you keep fleece stacks when it matters

[icy basin]

It is submission time this week.

[dull horizon]

ya i know

ive already submitted my two other games but i havent actually done a run since teleport glitch

so gonna just grind one out rn

[icy basin]

I still haven’t gotten sub 1:30 (I got 1:30:00.37 tho 😅) and this game steadily becomes a no hit run as you get more skilled at it.

[hearty vapor]

yea exactly

that's what i like a lot about this game, the actual fighting skill does matter and you don't just do 6 frame perfect glitches in a row to wrong warp to credits

[dull horizon]

also isnt there a way to skip the talisman animation in midas?

i cannot recall

[errant jasper]

can you /actually/ speedrun cotl?

it seems like a game where its /very/ slow

[dull horizon]

its only an hour 10

[errant jasper]

what...

[blazing forum]

Easy mode is actually p damn easy ;P

[dull horizon]

wr is an 1:11:some amount of seconds for easy

[hearty vapor]

yea, you can interact with the shrine again before he gives you the piece if you're close enough, but that one is literally frame perfect and it's easier to cap the framerate to 30 before doing it

[errant jasper]

i spent 3 days trying to complete the game

[blazing forum]

you can beat the game w/o any upgrades

Yeah that's about normal for a casual playthrough

[dull horizon]

ah

[hearty vapor]

you basically only play half the game when speedrunning, you literally just never do anything in your cult past the tutorial, and on easy mode no one will die or anything

[blazing forum]

If you haven't tried easy mode, it's kinda insane. For the first bit a level 1 sword oneshots everything

[errant jasper]

i play easy mode, and i've died like 80 times

[blazing forum]

Most of the people who speedrun the game are p used to this genre (or very used to). Once you get good at reading the patterns and dodging the attacks it becomes a lot easier

Other than that, speedrunning is just a shitton of practice lol

[errant jasper]

i just spam space, and clicking

[blazing forum]

which admittedly I haven't been doing 😬

There's tricks to attacking faster, and the dodgeroll is invincible (most of the time?)

[grim kayak]

Welcome to speedrunning you are doing it right

[blazing forum]

Yeah the meme for speedrunning this game is "just mash harder" tbh

[errant jasper]

i've died 80 times doing that

[blazing forum]

Yeah, you gotta mash hard in the right spots 😛

[errant jasper]

how much harder is spamming

[blazing forum]

Can't be mashing in the bad spots

What do you mean?

[modest stratus]

just mash harder

if that doesn't work it's a skill issue

[blazing forum]

just do it faster

[blazing forum]

If you want to learn the speedrun, 99% of it will come down to practice.

Even if it looks challenging at first, you'll get it eventually

it's a pretty good speedrun for people just starting to get into them

[grim kayak]

Vouch, it's my first speedrun

[narrow snow]

It’s funny being like the 100% runner since everyone else is like “i got a 1:15!” And im over here with my 7 hour run

[blazing forum]

yeah but you'll be a WR holder lol

:>

[hearty vapor]

oh right i have to submit a speedrun for other difficulties

hello yes im a 5 times world record holder

[narrow snow]

Unofficially

[blazing forum]

LOL

the EZ wrs

[narrow snow]

Since ive yet to get a recorded run

[grim kayak]

Come on extensions ! I've got 24:59 on marriage% and 20:41 on sacrifice% (not validated yet)

[icy basin]

I died 6 or 7 times in my first easy speedrun attempt, and it took me 2 hours. I’m now down to 1:30 with an average of 1 death a run. (I also run on NMG cause it has a shallower learning curve)

[grim kayak]

Extensions runs are actually pretty convenient when you don't have time to grind any%

[blazing forum]

and still teaches you how to be good for any%

[grim kayak]

Marriage% you beat Leshy fleeceless and don't have to go past 3 followers, Sacrifice% you do DW3 + AN1.
Makes you practice the first 20 minutes, any% route is just not exactly the same

[blazing forum]

yeah but learning patterns and how to attakc quickly is good

though most runs will die in SC imo

[narrow snow]

Yeah. Like all fleece does a lot of the 100% stuff but doesn’t need to worry about devotion which basically defines 100%

[grim kayak]

trueeee

[blazing forum]

Oh wow

didn't think of all fleece

isn't that any% twice, basically :V

plus a fishing minigame

[narrow snow]

Plus ALL the side quest

[hearty vapor]

for me anchordeep is so much harder man, i hate the green things that charge at you and especially the boss (saleos), also the blue ones that charge across whole room are fked up

[blazing forum]

yeah the first boss in AD is definitely the hardest there

SO many adds

I've never had an issue with the blue squids

tbh

I'm unsure if I want to run Dez's route

tbh

I think I like going straight to SC

but am unsure

[narrow snow]

Fishing, all witnesses, sozo’s quest line (which requires over 50 mushrooms and like 20 gold bars). Are all additions to all fleeces.

[grim kayak]

What's Dez's route again ?
I just watched their PB today and that was their old route

[blazing forum]

I have to like

find it again for his exact thing

but it was basicalaly doing AN1 and AD1 and buying a follower to get to 11 and have an extra sermon so that you can get weapon upgrade while getting omnipresence

which makes SC more consistent

but I think you need to buy 2 followers

cause AD1 makes one sick and they don't do sermon 😠

and that killed one of my runs lol

[hearty vapor]

i don't think that's faster tho

like sure maybe more consistent in case you drop fleece stacks

but not better for WR attempts i think

[blazing forum]

I mean, it also makes earlier rooms w/ dagger like

way way faster

it's better on CP tho

[narrow snow]

100% buys three followers at least. I was actually wrong, you cant buy general blueprints and follower forms so sometimes you need to do an extra couple of runs to find them.

[grim kayak]

Does that mean you get hammer at SC1 ?

[blazing forum]

cause it makes most weapons start to oneshot pre-200%

[narrow snow]

Claws and hammer unlock after beating the first and second bishop.

[blazing forum]

though I suppose that doesn't matter as much now that current patch doesn't cap anyway

[grim kayak]

Don't you need to buy 5 from the spider for that one tarot card ?

[blazing forum]

but

[narrow snow]

I’ve consistently gotten at the third. There do seem to be some differences between console and pc. And im console.

Ive had more trouble with getting the poop form. I ended making like 13 bowls at the end of my last run and it was extremely annoying

[grim kayak]

There must be differences between PC and console then

[blazing forum]

i mean, console is on a previous patch

[grim kayak]

One day we're gonna get mind blown and discover console is faster for any%

[blazing forum]

who knows

[grim kayak]

Also, after watching Dez, I started to use the splash curses with mouse and right click at the start of bossfights, it's instant aiming, way better than controller

[narrow snow]

Console can’t do teleport glitch so i doubt it.

[autumn niche]

The other difficulties aren't even difficult in my opinion. They're just slower

[blazing forum]

True, but oneshotting things means less chance of getting hit

Getting hit when newer to the game is much more common

[autumn niche]

It's a perfect route for higher difficulties

Tried running medium doing his route yesterday

Lvl 4 weapons help A LOT

[blazing forum]

I'd appreciate a writeup/explanation doc for it. It's by far the most complicated route in Any% atm

with way more ways to fuck it up lol

[autumn niche]

You'll need to do a sermon before the follower clone glitch, usually with 7 followers

And then another one by day 3 with at least 8 followers

But the route itself doesn't matter really because it's basically decision making

Sometimes you already have 8 followers before beating Leshy, sometimes you don't

[rigid sonnet]

So what is the fastest end game no glitch run?

[icy basin]

On NMG I like to get lvl 4. You need 12 to open the door to SC anyway, so after the mandatory sermon you just have to do 1 sermon and 1 sac after opening SC.

I am by not means an expert at this speedrun though

[buoyant granite]

I'll write up a better outline of my route in a little bit

Make it more readable than the thing I drew in my paint stream lmaoo

Just gotta actually wake up first lol

[blazing forum]

Are you asking the fastest NMG? It's like 1:15 I think

atm I don't think we have a fully glitchless category, since there's very small glitches that basically just cut tiny (sub 5s) dialog that doesn't feel like it matters if we keep in

[rigid sonnet]

So I'm more or less talking the end game for the speed run would be killing TOWW.

[icy basin]

We’d have to update the rules every few days as new stuff is found if we wanted true glitchless.

If you want to avoid glitches, just try NMG. You can tack on small stuff later once you get some base optimizations and get better at the general combat. That’s what I did.

[blazing forum]

I'm not sure what this means in particular. You don't need to kill TOWW to beat the game. If you want to include that, I think we had some people talking about All Bosses, though idk if any runs were actually done on it

[icy basin]

100% needs to kill TOWW, but that’s the only one.

[blazing forum]

true, that one too

I think we have all of one run in that lol

yepp

[rigid sonnet]

I've never really speedrunned before but this game makes me want to

[blazing forum]

It's a very good speedrun for beginners

[rigid sonnet]

So how would I set up a timer on a PS5?

[narrow snow]

Wait ive been needing to kill TOWW?!? Just kidding. He was always the last thing i did. Expect for the run where i forgot a blueprint.

[rigid sonnet]

I'ma shoot for the kill all bosses speedrun not a 100%

[blazing forum]

all bosses is a lot

but it's up to you ;P

[weak pike]

all bosses is the Wtinesses too

[blazing forum]

^

[weak pike]

The Darkwood5 path if you will

But for each area

[blazing forum]

iirc you can stream directly off a ps5. Is there a way to have a camera? If so, you could point it at your phone or something w/ a timer on it. I don't think livesplit works for ps5 lol

[narrow snow]

All bosses is just 4 extra runs. No big deal. ~30 minutes longer?

[blazing forum]

bruh

like...

15?

maybe 20

[half lotus]

speedrun

[narrow snow]

IM SLOW SUE ME

[blazing forum]

LOL

[half lotus]

damn

[weak pike]

Yeah and with the current progressions of runs. I'm sure a sub 90min AllBoss is possible

[rigid sonnet]

Hey I don't care if it takes me 300 playthroughs I'ma be number one for all bosses but In the meantime gotta buy a PS5 camera

[narrow snow]

Actually i do believe ive been getting faster im not sure what my average dungeon time is.

[half lotus]

[narrow snow]

I know when i started i was getting consistent 8 mins. Oh and i use white fleece for the chance at rabbits foot.

[rigid sonnet]

My quickest so far in 8mins

For a dungeon that is.

[narrow snow]

100% is a very different beast.

[blazing forum]

that's a start 🙂

[rigid sonnet]

Bro I don't even want to contemplate 100%

[blazing forum]

100% WR is like 9h LOL

until friedpinnapple actually finishes their run

eventually

[narrow snow]

Official WR is just under nine.

[narrow snow]

Yes technicalities

100% isn’t THAT bad. Ritual on enrichment give more then enough money to buy everything out at the end. Then you just need to pick up a handful of things during the run and you’re golden. once you grind the devotion

[weak pike]

Would people say it's worth changing out weapons during a crusade

[blazing forum]

from dagger only imo

dagger big succ

[weak pike]

But if you can get a lvl 2 and/or lvl 3 weapon

Is there that much of a difference?

[blazing forum]

getting it from a merchant includes talking to them at least once, otherwise it's not a huge deal if it's once or twice but if you wait for every weapon to actually spawn that's going to be a decent amount of extra time

[rigid sonnet]

I'm a hammer guy with speed increase and you are a damage dealing god

[blazing forum]

for easy any% you don't take any tarots at all :V

[narrow snow]

Better to just skip them then hope you get something to speed yourself up

[blazing forum]

yeah it's a solid 5s+ per card pickup if you actually want to see them

and like 2s if you don't

probably underestimating it tbh

[weak pike]

I would say a 3-5s time loss depending on how fast you dialog spam

[blazing forum]

but if you're not looking at it whats the point

[rigid sonnet]

Well just the knowledge of hey now I can deal 1.5x damage or speed is better than base everything

You might save yourself 15 seconds wasteing 5 seconds

[weak pike]

I think upgrading weapons was more in the talk with current patch

[blazing forum]

that was a routing difference I think, smiiles

[weak pike]

Ahh

[icy basin]

Or to an axe. Animation cancelling axe attacks are op

[buoyant granite]

starting up some more any% runs on stream hunting for that WR again if anyone wants to see me rage at some archers hitting me out of nowhere and some silk sacs taking forever to drop lol

[wooden galleon]

Ew, you have smart golden fleece design in my overpowered as crap golden fleece design

True gamers play on the switch lite in a early patch

[narrow snow]

Why do i feel mildly called out.

[weak pike]

To be fair I just have yet to figure how to downpatch. And I haven't had time to sit down to mess with it lately

[grim kayak]

You have instructions to downpatch in pinned messages here :)
Don't hesite if you have any followup question

[grim kayak]

With dash cancel you can actually attack ~10 times with dagger before you get to the bad finisher
Not very useful though because you'll rarely have the time to attack so much without having to dodge

[weak pike]

Yeah I know. I forgot where I got lost. I might try after work today

[icy basin]

Glad to know I’m not the only one who hates that finisher.

Good strat though

Oh yeah, I accidentally found two bugs yesterday. Due to an accidental teleport skip I found that dungeon modifiers (like double damage) will carry over to the next crusade if you use the map teleport. I also discovered that map teleport will entirely negate that levels end cutscene with TOWW, which caused me to never receive the sacrifice ritual.

Not sure if these are useful, but they were interesting.

[hearty vapor]

how does the autosplitter work? when i enable "each time leaving darkwood" will it also split when i die? will it split twice after killing leshy when i have "kill leshy" enabled too?

[grim kayak]

Do we need to split category extensions between Unrestricted and NMG ? I feel like it's only relevant for "main" categories, any% and 100%

• there is no major skip relevant to knucklebones/marriage/sacrifice

[blazing forum]

that's a question for @rancid dust and maybe @modest stratus (IDK how much work each did tbh)

[rancid dust]

Dying in Darkwood will trigger "leaving Darkwood" cuz you are changing level and defeating Leshy will trigger only once (there is description that says "for the first time").

[dull horizon]

no but if we did now it'd be a lot of shifting stuff around? idk if we will tbh

[grim kayak]

I mean, there's like 2 marriage runs and 1 sacrifice run atm, the more we wait the more shifting around 😅

But I get it, I was just asking

[knotty tusk]

why do some people do silk cradle before anchordeep?

[grim kayak]

To skip some dialogues in anchor deep that only trigger if Shamura is alive

[knotty tusk]

ah like where you fight enemies from silk cradle on 3-4?

anchordeep door 4

another question, sometimes when I first get control of the lamb enemies seem to be set to medium difficulty while other times it seems to be easy. why is that and how can I ensure its always set to easy (so I don't have to change it in settings)?

[autumn niche]

The game stores the difficulty from the last save game file you ran

You'll need to open a save game file on easy and then create a new save game file every time you start the game

[knotty tusk]

ah thx

[icy basin]

I’ve found the tutorial enemies are still slightly more durable than in Darkwood, so it mostly helps by breaking the rocks faster.

[autumn niche]

Tried running today after almost a week since my last run

Died in DW3 lol

[grim kayak]

Welcome back

[chrome holly]

Hi, somebody have a link 4 a good autosplit? Ty

[hearty vapor]

use this

[icy basin]

Amazing

[icy basin]

I found that if you setup the splits editor correctly, it automatically has splits built in for the Tutorial, all 4 bosses, and TOWW. You then just have to setup those 6 splits and should be golden.

[chrome holly]

I tried that way but It Just don't work, fortunately i found another solution, Ty anyway @icy basin

[buoyant granite]

Are we doing races again this weekend?

[hearty vapor]

this game fking hates me man, 2h30min into 100% and game repeatedly softlocks when doing brainwashing ritual, reloading save file doesn't help gg

[autumn niche]

I'll be moving this weekend, so maybe I won't be able to race

[modest stratus]

yeah im out. maybe later on in the month?

[buoyant granite]

Yeah sounds good 👍

[narrow snow]

Wow based on those numbers that looks really good. Its the fleeces and crown upgrade that kinda freak me out with 2/4 hearts and 4/5 fleeces id wager you’ve completed DW and A with only, at most, 2 AD runs and 3 SC runs. I think i had 21 shrine nodes at 3 hours which doesn’t look to be ahead of that much if it all.

Id be curious to know what doctrines you declared. Since i can you’ve cleared fishing i can bet sustenance for half of them. Honestly if you were able to complete this id I wouldn’t be surprised if it was under 7 hours.

[hearty vapor]

i was doing early anura and anchordeep stages after DW3 because i wanted golden fleece for the longer stages, but it's kinda a waste of time to do the fishing without the ocean bounty ritual

[narrow snow]

Hmmm interesting. Id be very interested in watching what you did manage of your run if you have it saved.

[narrow snow]

Finished another 100%. segmented and untimed. Ended on day 34 again. But this time i spent 5 days grinding devotion. Im getting much faster at the other aspects of the run. I also have a slightly better idea at how to consistently get the poop follower.

For the record. The earliest ill be able to try and record a run to upload is going to be next weekend. I work week days so weekend are my only chance to be able to do the run and im watching my sisters dog as well as upgrading my pc so it’s not going to happen this weekend.

[sudden heath]

Lmao i speedran this game in 25 days

[livid basin]

Nice! It is a good place to start improving :)

[spare osprey]

What is the route looking like nowadays

[narrow snow]

I dont think unrestricted has had any real changes. I know people have been messing around with trying different sermon upgrades in NMG. Not sure what they’re actually doing though.

My 100% is getting a bit more rigid in when things are done.

[spare osprey]

Good so I dont have to learn anything new other than Midas tp

[narrow snow]

Yeah i don’t think any more glitches have really been found.

[calm peak]

What causes the early game cooking food softlock where the whole game freezes when you cook your first meal gotten it on two runs in a row now

[narrow snow]

God the most annoying thing about the game crashing is that its always during a run throws like 5 minutes in the trash.

[calm peak]

got it a third time and decides to stop running for the day I love bugs

[narrow snow]

I feel like im going to have a nother major improvement on my 100% time. 4:45 with 25/47 divine inspirations. The big thing is i only need one more witness eye and then its just grinding everything out. I’ll time out the last segment tomorrow, my switch is basically dead and im having trouble getting it to charge over here.

[sudden heath]

Lmao speedrunning is so easy

I can do 18 days about it now

[narrow snow]

Wow. I am pissed off. Im not even finishing this run anymore. Day 37 ~7:40 time and im still grinding devotion. The real problem was helob would not give me his tarot card so i kept going into dungeons to find him, not finding him, and just wasting more and more time. Followers were also just not praying at the shrine which was annoying but if i had at least had the tarot card i could have just been meditating through it.

[knotty tusk]

does unlocking the fishing area mean fish will start spawning, or are fish always spawning whether or not the area is unlocked?

[narrow snow]

shrug do a teleport glitch and check

Id assume they always spawn since you cant get there normally before meeting the fisherman

[hearty vapor]

the first time you enter pilgrims passage there's always only a few fish, so teleport glitching there will make the fish start spawning for later if that's what ur asking

[knotty tusk]

ah ok that makes sense

[buoyant granite]

HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE ONE WHO WAITS

[modest stratus]

Thats a problem for cutscene skip though

They patched it

[grim kayak]

Yeah I was gonna ask, cutscene skip was linked to the game pausing on alt tab imo

[buoyant granite]

Oh damn wait really?

That's unfortunate

[icy basin]

Random thought I had about GDQ. If we had an option on the timer that paused while the follower name text box was selected, they could read off donations and have the donator be the name of the follower.

[modest stratus]

i love that idea tbh

better idea? cult name incentive

[blazing forum]

We know exactly how many followers we're going to get, you could incentive each individual follower name lmao

[icy basin]

That too. Lots of ways they could go about it.

[icy basin]

This would be awesome

I don’t know how to reliably get the cult naming event (I only got it once on my casual play through) but if it isn’t hard to achieve reliably, that would be really cool.

[knotty tusk]

dont know if this is happening this weekend but id like to participate

[weak pike]

So they reverted back to 1.0.15

I mean to be honest the fact of the game pausing in the background isn't a huge problem for me. But maybe to the majority it is. Hopefully they can fix that without 'accidentally' patching tele hack

[split saddle]

i think they're going to repatch it soon, it was only reverted due to an unintended glitch with ritual freezes basically

i don't really know how much players cared about the pausing but i noticed some people weren't into it

[weak pike]

I think it matters more on the streamer side

anytime you would alt-tab your 'stream' basically froze

[timber cloak]

So is 1.0.16 playable at the moment or should we just wait?

[split saddle]

i would downgrade or wait, there's an issue going on with 1.0.16 where glitched followers may be written into your save, people are having issues with ritual freezes and freezes during quest dialogue due to that

[pearl elbow]

I'm gonna attempt a speedrun tonight now that Xbox finally got patched

[copper trout]

go vote in #🎤・src-announcements if u care about a new category 😄

[knotty tusk]

would be cool to see an example run for the category

[weak pike]

Is it about sacrificing Ratau to the Wolf dude?

[livid basin]

No
||You get a half a heart from Ratoo in Heart room in a crusade, if you give him a heart demon, which you can use summon circle with your cultists to get. That is the run, to get the HP up||

[weak pike]

Yeah I would need an example run then

[narrow snow]

Oh i have never done a summon circle. That explains why i had no idea what a heart demon was

[copper trout]

@knotty tusk i did ask for a vod when it was recommended to me

[mortal flicker]

quick question- is the main speedrun leaderboard for this game the one on speedrun.com?

[narrow snow]

I would assume so.

[mortal flicker]

I thought so but wanted to make sure because a lot of games use their own boards

[buoyant granite]

starting some more any% unrestricted wr attempts on stream for those interested : D

[copper trout]

yeah it's not often the Discord where the game is hosted also supports SRC.

[limpid bane]

Hi, the patch that disabled cutscene skips is from a few days ago, right ? I'm omw to downgrade to 9 September's patch

Hope it's the best one for category 1.0.13 or newer

[dull horizon]

had to record a quick unrestricted submission vid for gdq

pretty good run just played super safe lol

[blazing forum]

[dull horizon]

oh oops pb posting channel exists

xdd

[terse ruin]

is there already a percent for no hit runs

cause i need to know what its under

[dull horizon]

i mean

no?

bc completion percentage (where any% comes from) isnt calculating how many hits u take its just how much of the game's content u complete

any%, optimally, would be a no hit run

we havent had a no hit run i believe

sub hour is probably only possible if u no hit the whole game so

gl lol

unless you just do it slow and no hit

but there arent leaderboards for that :V

[blazing forum]

I think that's what he's talking about, and I don't think that's particularly a speedrun. More a challenge run

[terse ruin]

optimally tanking hits in order to do more damage would be more effecient

you dont get stunned after being hit i dont think

if u do its short

[blazing forum]

you do

and it's moreso about golden fleece

getting hit = dealing less damage

[terse ruin]

gold fleece is in the run

[blazing forum]

ye

[terse ruin]

that seems in effecient

i guess u make up the time?

[blazing forum]

Have you tried doing SC without any weapon upgrades?

it's very slow

golden fleece lets it be decently fast even without weapon upgrades

Almost every run I've seen where they don't get golden fleece, it's a 2h or so run

instead of like 1h 15 or (usually a better starting point:) 1h 30

[terse ruin]

i guess so but a lot of the run is rng

[blazing forum]

not particularly?

[terse ruin]

yeah

room layouts

[dull horizon]

a lot of the run is rng

[terse ruin]

tarot cards

[blazing forum]

sure, but not like

[dull horizon]

that doesnt make golden fleece bad

[blazing forum]

you don't take tarot cards

[dull horizon]

golden fleece alone carries

i would recommend looking at current runs

[blazing forum]

there's rng sure. but not enough to make a difference between runs

[terse ruin]

not taking tarot cards is stupid asf

ones from chests?

[dull horizon]

have you done a run

[blazing forum]

its like 5-10s per card lol

[terse ruin]

i dont grab every one lol

[blazing forum]

and most of them do p much nothing

you're taking a chance to slightly improve one crusade

[terse ruin]

yeah welcome to rougelike speedruns

they are draining

[dull horizon]

actually correction do you have a competitive time on (or off) the leaderboards

[terse ruin]

enter the gungeon got that way

no i dont im still making a path

[dull horizon]

gungeon is also a completely different game

[terse ruin]

gungeon is a rougelike

[blazing forum]

We're nowhere near that level of opimization

and it is a very different game

[dull horizon]

rougelikes have different mechanics

[terse ruin]

ok i dont know why you are hard defending the idea of tarot cards

[blazing forum]

A weapon change in this game barely effects anything, A good weapon just makes the runner feel more comfortable, an optimal run would be about the same time no matter what

[terse ruin]

optimization literally comes from finding new paths

[blazing forum]

getting an optimal gun in gungeon would be run changing

[dull horizon]

whenever you say youre crafting a route and then barge in and say "yeah this route's stupid" without testing your own route... you see how that's kind of silly right?

[terse ruin]

i never said any route is stupid

[dull horizon]

test your route first! and then maybe we'll be able to implement

[terse ruin]

i said the idea of not using the tarot cards is

[blazing forum]

Another thing is that each crusade is ~4 minutes

[dull horizon]

you said the idea of not grabbing tarot cards (a MAJOR route decision) is stupid

[blazing forum]

with most of it being oneshotting enemies

so most tarot cards don't change much

[dull horizon]

route doesnt just mean the path you take, it also means the decisions along that path

[terse ruin]

the speed boosts too

[blazing forum]

and we're including bosses in 'oneshotting enemies'

So you're rolling for like a 2 out of....10? 15?

IDK what you start with tbh

[terse ruin]

not when you grab specific cards

[blazing forum]

and it takes a solid 5+s per card

[dull horizon]

its very rare to be worth

[blazing forum]

does it save you 5s per card?

[terse ruin]

white fleece gives you tarots instantly

[dull horizon]

you cant know what tarots you pull theyre all rng

[terse ruin]

which is why im trying to see if it would be powerful

[blazing forum]

Ok but then you take literally 5x as long

[dull horizon]

white fleece also loses a ton of damage compared to golden

damage is always more important

[blazing forum]

(sadly)

[terse ruin]

if you get insanely lucky damage modfiers should be included

idk i feel like golden fleece isnt gonna end up being meta

[blazing forum]

even getting a rainbow damage + attack speed card

[terse ruin]

not much to expand upon

[blazing forum]

wouldn't get you close to golden fleece output

[dull horizon]

if you waste time on killing enemies it doesnt matter what else you do bc youll lose time killing

keep in mind bosses have significantly more hp

[terse ruin]

are all runs glitchless?

[blazing forum]

golden fleece lets you oneshot literally everything, including bosses. Since we're talking optimal runs.

[dull horizon]

thats most of what we play for is bosses

[terse ruin]

ive seen very little glitching in this game

[blazing forum]

afaik we don't have a category for pure no glitches. We have No Major Glitches though

and they also go after golden fleece

and we have unrestricted which lets you get golden fleece at DW3

and open up everything at DW3

[dull horizon]

this is my problem: you clearly haven't looked a ton into runs and are trying to barge in with your route ideas and calling runner decisions stupid. perfectly okay to have other ideas but please 1. research and 2. be a bit more considerate of other people's efforts

[terse ruin]

im looking in rn lmao

this is the speedrunning community lol

[blazing forum]

I should have been more professional too, sorry about that. But yeah, what shovel said

[dull horizon]

yeah but after you did the bad things

dont do the bad things

[terse ruin]

lmao i have to watch hours of top runs

[dull horizon]

and i wouldnt be saying it

[terse ruin]

i may as well ask questions in the mean time

[blazing forum]

Not really

most of it is just killing stuff

[dull horizon]

you can ask questions

thats not my problem

[terse ruin]

i said it was stupid not to do certain things

[blazing forum]

the important stuff happens like...before leshy

[terse ruin]

stupid isnt really meant to be offensive