💨・speedrunning

[grim bolt]

this finished but the game still starts with 1.0.12 😦

[north birch]

I stan Elo for the ultrawide resolution (as an ultrawide user myself)

[halcyon grove]

dez just clutched

but elo won i think

[warped breach]

Soft lock -> Splitter say goodbye -> Stream and capture full bug -> one freeze into death --> Ragequit, it wasn't my day 🥲

[halcyon grove]

rip

gg elo

[warped breach]

G g !

[halcyon grove]

NOOOOO

[warped breach]

What happend ?

[blazing forum]

@grim bolt did you start it from the depot .exe?

[wheat trout]

akdmaiwdmaiodjai two softlocks with unkillable enemies

;------;

I was having such pace at the beginning

grim

ggs everyoneeee

[autumn niche]

Didn't press the start recording button

I hat myself

[wheat trout]

xddd

TRAGIC

[halcyon grove]

tragic

i mean everyone saw it live lol

sucks that it cant get verified

[blazing forum]

yeah

[buoyant granite]

ignore the new AS (forgot to remove the manual script so kept double splitting), clutched on anchordeep somehow but then threw it away again on anura

still new pb tho

[halcyon grove]

src wr as well

[modest stratus]

Congrats to runners on the race, congrats to @wheat trout and @buoyant granite for the PB, and @autumn niche for the what would be wr

Hope you all had fun! Remember to continue praising the lamb, and continue working on your strats as we will hold another maybe soon.

[wheat trout]

AAAAA FFS I EVEN HAD TRIPLE MIDAS CUTSCENE SKIP

gnite peeps

good ol 4 am again

[grim bolt]

how is that?

[autumn niche]

@blazing forum you were streaming the race on Twitch, right?

Is there a vod?

[blazing forum]

yes and yes

not the greatest quality tho

I stream at https://www.twitch.tv/AmethystEspeon

can look under vods there

https://www.twitch.tv/AmethystEspeon/videos?filter=archives&sort=time the most recent one

[autumn niche]

Great

Thanks

❤️

[blazing forum]

it wasn't just on you so you won't see a TON of your own stuff 😛

if I could I would have done a better job for the stream but most people were lagging etc

so I think the best way is to just have everyone stream it and use the spectator part of racetime to see them all in one place

Can go from there

[hearty vapor]

was actually a PB for me too, but not a very good time regardless lol

[grim bolt]

I can't play the downpatched game 😦

[blazing forum]

??

what happens when you run the .exe?

[hearty vapor]

u need to have steam open and signed in

[grim bolt]

what .exe?

[blazing forum]

you do the stuff

and it will have a depot created

It says where in the console

in that depot is a cult of the lamb .exe

THAT is your downpatched version

not the one launched from steam

[grim bolt]

oh I see

nice

tyvm

[blazing forum]

npnp

[modest stratus]

Gj

[warped breach]

You can do that too, if you are like me and you prefer have all your games in same place , and in english for the red thing it's :
Add a non-steam game to the library

[blazing forum]

I mean you still need to get to it tho

[autumn niche]

How the hell did you do that?

I get like only 1 skip every 5 runs

[buoyant granite]

i was literally about to ask the same thing lmao

do we know of a consistent way to do it?

cause ive just been mashing interact and roll during the entire thing and praying to the rng gods lmao

[autumn niche]

That's what I do as well

And it's inconsistent af

[buoyant granite]

all i know is that when you interact with the plate and get moved to the bottom left corner of said plate you gotta sneak a roll in to be as close to the plate as possible so you can interact with it again before you get moved to the bottom right to collect the talisman piece

i think

i may be completely wrong

but thats how it works in my head

lmao

[autumn niche]

You are the guy who discovered this skip Dez

You should be the one teaching us lol

[buoyant granite]

wait did i

lmaoo

ill have to go back and watch the tapes haha

also i just realised Eleotan that it wouldve been yet another wr on current patch too lmao

so maybe current patch is just built different haha

[autumn niche]

Maybe

I'm watching Amethyst's vod rn

[blazing forum]

it's not the greatest

If people can use OBS and stream their own stuff I could do a LOT with it

[autumn niche]

Kiki lost like 1 minute because a spider went out of bounds in sc

[blazing forum]

DAMN LOL

yeah kiki was killing it early on

[autumn niche]

It made me laugh hard I must confess

[autumn niche]

Yeah he was like 1 minute ahead of me and Dez

And then the out of bounds spider happened

[blazing forum]

yeah :((

bro you can oob the summoner dude

who will summon non-flying enemies

out of bounds

what do you even do

[buoyant granite]

wait ok im watching the vod too and i just saw kikis pov for midas

kiki is actually just miles away from the plate when the dupe happens

[autumn niche]

YES!

[buoyant granite]

and doesnt even roll or anything

[autumn niche]

I don't understand

[buoyant granite]

so my theory is bust then lmao

[blazing forum]

kiki was streaming, they should have their own vods too

[autumn niche]

@wheat trout explain yourself

[fluid sleet]

i'm gonna watch the vod rn

relive my suffering

[buoyant granite]

oh also @blazing forum the reason why you couldnt hear my audio at least was cause i was streaming desktop screen not game application

im assuming the others were probs the same

[blazing forum]

oh

hm

I don't watch multiple at the same time very oftne

[fluid sleet]

hey, can someone explain to me what I was doing wrong at the pre base part?

the beginning

[blazing forum]

you can press escape to skip red quotes

[fluid sleet]

everyone got so ahead

[blazing forum]

you can alt tab twice (or press esc I'e heard?) to skip the title screen cutscene

also ratau skip and follower skip

[fluid sleet]

but the dialogue with the one who waits counts as red quote?

cause game start is the same with all, but when I get the crown I get really behind

[blazing forum]

hold up, mash a. hold up, mash a and left/right

then alt tab twice

spam esc before any of that for the red quotes

[fluid sleet]

got it

thx

[modest stratus]

for the people who did participate in the race / want too for the next one, MAKE SURE YOUR LIVESPLIT IS ON AND HAS THE RACE SET!!!1!

[blazing forum]

leaderboardsleaderboardsleaderboards

[modest stratus]

also make sure your recording

im looking at you @autumn niche

[autumn niche]

[modest stratus]

LMAO

[autumn niche]

I ran this race on both the old and the new auto splitters

[modest stratus]

sounds like a you problem

[autumn niche]

And even tho I beat my previews old as pb in 50 seconds, it was like 4 minutes+ on the new as

[wheat trout]

sheer luck, cause I have no idea

[blazing forum]

we'd need to retime eleotan

[autumn niche]

So I was thinking we should move all past runs on src to legacy

[blazing forum]

you can't just compare to a time when you literally took 5 minutes out w/o playing

[wheat trout]

I do think it s position dependent cause it felt like I hit a sweet spot with where lamb stopped, i didnt move at all just

spam next

[autumn niche]

So you just mash E and left mouse button?

[wheat trout]

yep

[wheat trout]

🥴🥴🥴 and then I had to recall prematurely on anura cause of an undying archer

so grim

uploading vod now, anyway

[wheat trout]

wish we could have a vods channel so we could link stuff without it being self advertising 😇

actually wait, should be fine to link speedruns in the speedrun channel right

brain smoof rn

[grim bolt]

what was the software to decrypt savefiles?

[fluid sleet]

ilspy i think

[buoyant granite]

aight hunting for sub 1:10 again on stream if people feel like swinging by :))

[buoyant granite]

https://clips.twitch.tv/InnocentConsiderateWalrusTwitchRaid-tfEqb5eHWUCvCVEG

real

[blazing forum]

This game is amazing and has zero bugs

I see no issues

[little willow]

tbf

this is what happens with day1 patch lol

[blazing forum]

1.0.11 isnt day 1

[little willow]

early patches then c:

[blazing forum]

Lol

[halcyon grove]

tragic

[little willow]

i have only been softlocked on downpatch

not on current, but that's probably just random

[blazing forum]

I havent played a ton on 1.0.12 tbh, but there's always going to be softlocks tbh

[little willow]

oh for sure

just annoying that i've been softlocked 4 times on old patch and 0 on current LUL

[blazing forum]

The way this game allows inputs before cinematics is just very...

[little willow]

suboptimal?

[blazing forum]

Helpful for getting into softlocks

[little willow]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveInexpensiveEggShazBotstix-Qbdi-1a_OB0cmrNt
apperantly if u mash interact this can happen

[buoyant granite]

back to back runs dying to softlocks

gotta love it lmao

[blazing forum]

that's a new one on me, bob

[grim kayak]

what's the reason to spam interact here?

[halcyon grove]

fast

[blazing forum]

to interact with the door as fast as possible

tbh you spam p much the ENTIRE run

mash god mash god

literally the WR will eventually just be held by the best masher

[grim kayak]

Oh that's interact spam on door opening, not during the cutscene

[blazing forum]

I'm calling it now

yeah

[grim kayak]

okok thx

[blazing forum]

I'm guessing it ended up queueing up the animation twice

and the game had NO idea what to do the second time

[grim kayak]

yeah it makes sense

[blazing forum]

but like why is that even possible

lolll

[grim kayak]

Maybe somewhere in the game there's a speedtech involving this "double interaction" thing

[blazing forum]

hmm

[grim kayak]

As long as it doesn't softlock every time :D

[blazing forum]

lol

[modest stratus]

JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW..

im god tier at mashing

don't ask me how

[blazing forum]

lol

[modest stratus]

nothing weird but...

heh

[blazing forum]

I learned to mash in Insaniquarium

[modest stratus]

i nearly developed carpal tunnel

[blazing forum]

it was impossible to feed the fish fast enough if you didn't mash stupidly fast

[modest stratus]

tell that to demo me

[blazing forum]

?

[modest stratus]

not even joking when i ran the demo everytime i mashed my hand would cramp up

[modest stratus]

yeah ik

love that game

made by popcap

[blazing forum]

yuh

stage 4 ius just

uhh

too much

i remember my pc just shitting itself so hard lol

[modest stratus]

i miss PVZ

i needa replay it

played it last year, finished it

[halcyon grove]

pvz is good

[modest stratus]

THERE'S A ZOMBIE ON YOUR LAWNNN WE ALL WANT ZOMBIES ON OUR LAWNNN

I KNOW YOUR TYPE, TALL, DARK AND DEAD

[halcyon grove]

pvz2 is good except for the god damn microtransactions

[modest stratus]

YOU WANNA BITE

[halcyon grove]

the music is great

[modest stratus]

ALL THE PETALS OFF OF MY HEAD

AND THEN EAT THE BRAINS OF THE ONE WHO PLANTED ME HEREEE

[modest stratus]

i love GW

this is getting off track now

point being i got good at mashing from.. stuff..
then got cramps from the demo of this game

[grim kayak]

I mash so hard when I go for gloves finisher hit spam that the hitbox doesn't have time to come out

[blazing forum]

yeah i saw someone die to that

[grim kayak]

wrong kind of mashing, it just gets me killed 😬

[modest stratus]

this is just sad

15:30 onto finishing leshy, got the first 0:54 start and i needa go for a shower, i swapped dagger for axe as well

[little willow]

dont attack bombs when they are far away from u i guess

https://clips.twitch.tv/IncredulousCourageousTubersPupper-290uuAs-cyutY0bf

[buoyant granite]

https://clips.twitch.tv/VenomousGiantPenguinShazBotstix-dQnaChFzz5jILkEs

im actually just plagued with softlocks today wtf

[torpid atlas]

thanks

[torpid atlas]

also thanks

speedrunner are good bug finder

they break the game unintentionally and dev can fix it lol

report bug here please: https://forms.gle/8mEJajjrtGSEoo3T9

[little willow]

these are all on old patch tho

so idk if they are fixed or not on current patch c:

[torpid atlas]

oh you guys downpatch

gg

i gonna make a mod that disable the golden fleece limit

[little willow]

that would be

so nice

cus that's the only reason we downpatch atm

[little willow]

this just happened to me aswell

and i was on his right side aswell, idk what is going on

PLUS i was capped to 60 fps so it wasnt fps that made it happen sadge

[torpid atlas]

is NoGoldenCap a good name?

[little willow]

imo yes c:

[torpid atlas]

@little willow @buoyant granite

[little willow]

oh my god yes

pls

[buoyant granite]

this is amazing

but will need to go through approval from the mods first obvs

[torpid atlas]

@blazing forum 👉 👈

[little willow]

would make current patch the most attractive run always basically and would be less softlocks from what i can tell 🥺

[narrow snow]

100% speedrun guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15P_ymedJPjcVkak5U9OG2FOfG4lOndoFC74597Y2IRQ/edit

Finally got enough of this worked out to feel its useable. Guide is a better descriptor then route since so much of it is just time management

[lethal lodge]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1oB4y1B7vH/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.0&vd_source=91e9b68f2034a76fa7e19207e5c62d44

[grand kestrel]

Live split dont set my pb when i finish a run. Can someone Help me 🙏

[livid basin]

Do you still have the times on?

You could try to save as to create a new file

[warped breach]

Bad idea, if you want the No golden cap -> Down patch / Else current patch , i'm totally against add mods to the current patch, speedrun is finish the game the faster you can, not modify the game for finish it faster because it is more comfortable OR Add a new category "Mod version"

[little willow]

there are other runs where a mod is enabled for the sake of the run not being bad

like on downpatch we have perma softlock issues for 0 reason

like i wouldnt mind playing on downpatch if it wasnt for the amount of random softlocks that can happen without it having to do with anything we do (as far as we know at least)

also if u wanna go as far as to say "pssedrun is finish the game the faster you can, not modify the game" you're by proxy saying we cant do the glitches we do

or at least that in ur eyes it's not a true speedrun on the patch, since it's exploiting something that isn't intentional

all this would actually do, would make the leaderboards even, make it easier to be a new runner and make the run more stable than when u gotta run it on downpatch

[wheat trout]

I do agree with Talone in that I feel like it's important to preserve the integrity of the game, and that modded (in any capacity) should be a separate leaderboard if people want to run modded

[warped breach]

You can't compare a glitch that's in the game and a mod,
If I'm the only one thinking that I wouldn't add anything, the category will just not make sense

[wheat trout]

Modding a game is very different than using glitches, glitches is just using what's already available to you as a player with the game as is, modding it is actively modifying it yourself

[warped breach]

For example Binding of Isaac , we have un modding version called racing +, but it's an another categ

[little willow]

Then let’s just remove downpatch as an option all together cus the game legit softlocks constantly and running on that patch is just a coinflip

[wheat trout]

whats the harm in keeping it as an option for the people who do want to run downpatch

they know what they're getting themselves into 😄

[little willow]

Like y’all said “it doesn’t make sense”

[wheat trout]

no it makes sense to have it but as a separate category

[little willow]

Not if it’s hardly runnable?

[warped breach]

I'm not agreed with that, most of soft lock in downpatch are known and can be avoid

• WR is on current patch , so isn't the golden cap the problem

[little willow]

Aight tell me how to not get softlocked by Shamura then

#💨・speedrunning message

[warped breach]

I said most , not all, and in 80 hours, never softlock on it so idk

[little willow]

Tell me how that was any of Dezis fault

[wheat trout]

But what's the harm in having as a category and an option for the people who do still want to run it despite the higher risk of getting softlocked, is what I meant

The worst case that I can think of is that it might thin out the competition

with the runners being more spread out

but this community's in its infancy rn so we've yet to see

[little willow]

My entire point is that it feels demotivating as hell losing runs to stuff like what I just linked

And while watching Dezi today it legit happened to him back to back for 0 reason

[wheat trout]

and you can always run newest patch to minimize the risk of bugging out

but modding the patches makes it harder to regulate, first of all

[little willow]

But what is the harm of adding the mod to make the newest patch even better?

[wheat trout]

if modifying game files is involved from the get go

increases the chances of people doing shady stuff

[warped breach]

Yeah yeah , and add a godmode because it's easier and not demotivating

non sens bro

[little willow]

?

How is that at all the same

[warped breach]

You complain about the golden cap , who isn't mendatory to do a good run

You don't like bug ? Play current patch that's all

[little willow]

No I’m complaining about downpatch being unstable

That’s such a shit take LMAO

Ah I don’t like getting softlocked what a weirdo I am

[warped breach]

Btw you argue with us but if a mod had said directly no I'm not sure you would have done the same

I don't like too

But it's a risk

[little willow]

Huh?

[warped breach]

I love both versions , and have no problem to reset a softlock run in downpatch

[little willow]

I would still advocate for the mod regardless of who I’m talking to what are you on about

[buoyant granite]

look, as much as i didnt like it happening, idm still running it with the risk of it

[wheat trout]

it ain't about that, but if you intentionally run really early versions of any game, not just COTL, you're always going to run a more unstable version of said game

that's mostly what I'm trying to say here

[buoyant granite]

if anything it just means we gotta figure out what causes them more so we can avoid it properly

its all just a learning curve

like majority of my runs have been fine

just today wasnt my day

which is fine

it happens

[little willow]

Idk I feel like when there’s a solution shown it would be awful not to take it for the sake of the game

[buoyant granite]

i mean the game still has a lot of patching to do, so theres always the chance that the devs bring it back

[little willow]

It would legit make the game more enjoyable to run imo, but I guess in Talones eyes that’s just as bad as using god mode

[warped breach]

Yup

Current patch is enjoyable like this

[buoyant granite]

yeah its like we split the catagories for a reason

so if you wanna take the risk go for it and run downpatch, but if you wanna play it a bit safer then just play current

[little willow]

We didn’t split cus one of them softlocked tho

[buoyant granite]

but its an added bonus

[wheat trout]

for me speedrunning games is doing the most you can do with the tools available to you given by the game from the start, and modding takes away from that

it opens the door to just modifying whatever you don't particularly like about the game

[warped breach]

That's it

[little willow]

Like I’m fine with having the category being split to uncapped and capped fleece, but why does uncapped have to play on softlock city patch

[wheat trout]

and again, there's nothing saying you can't have modded runs for a game, but imo it's better if kept separate

[buoyant granite]

yea

we are still in the very early days of the speedrun life cycle of the game, so i think talking about adding modded as a seperate catagory is a discussion worth having, but probs isnt at the front of peoples minds atm

like we dont even have a fully fleshed out optimal route yet

[little willow]

I mean someone made a tool for it, which is why it was brought up

And then people start talking about “the integrity of the run” as if other games don’t have mods that make it more stable for the sake of the run lol

[buoyant granite]

yeah no i appreciate the interest, im just saying people are more wanting to focus on vanilla atm, so modding can be something worked on those interested and potentially introduced at a later point

[wheat trout]

dont get me wrong I'm not against this particular modification, you're right it'd be just like running downpatched but with more stability, I just don't think it should replace any existing category for the reasons I specified above

I ain't unreasonable

[little willow]

Like I said, I would be fine with it being uncapped and capped categories

[warped breach]

Same, have 0 problem to have a modding version, but not in vanilla

[little willow]

But I don’t get the reason why we have to play on a patch that is more prone to soft locking

[little willow]

Litterally just make it so it’s called capped/uncapped and they can both be on same patch but with mod active or not

It doesn’t have to replace the current patch category

[warped breach]

This is a better idea yeah, since vanilla stay vanilla, havn't any objection

[terse ruin]

is there any better way to do follower skip other than hold dpad left and spam b

hi

did they patch it out or am i just horrible at it

im going to keep trying till i get it

[grim kayak]

I started a google doc with bosses AI breakdown.
I do them by reading game code, manual testing and watching leaderboard runs.
I started with Shamura, I should be able to add at least another one by the end of the week
Google doc at : https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTQHCtM_jS3_Ovt1cDE5rjSQDJXj4QEXR4FUy2vRL7bTDiRM1GOBRU1N7tyNtp3u5c3iey0ZI91LE4a/pub

Please tell me if you find it hard to read or if I should rephrase stuff, english isn't my first language

I'll go for Frog next I think

[fluid sleet]

not my first language either but I understood it

[verbal violet]

Is it okay to share links to videos here? Messed around a little with single expedition speedruns and got a pretty funny one.

[fluid sleet]

yes

[verbal violet]

https://youtu.be/Jj_Yiklci6s

on hindsight really should've just used the op curse for like most of the rooms but oh well

2 second Leshy kill lmao

[fluid sleet]

insta killing bosses always makes me giggle hahaha

[verbal violet]

Was hoping a sub 1 minute Darkwood would be possible but it doesn't look like it

Like even with best rng idk

Maybe

[weak pike]

Is that also Medium difficulty? Or because it was post first Leshy kill the enemies we're stronger

[verbal violet]

This is medium

[verbal violet]

Honestly if you got hounds of fate with curse fleece you could probably kill or atleast get extremely close to killing on every major boss

[weak pike]

I still need to string together a full run lol

Keep dying in SC

[verbal violet]

I'd have to learn the run but tbh I'm not really one to run hour long catagories too much either

I'll probably give it a shot further down the road when things are all figured out

[weak pike]

Well what I really like about this game is a lot of the skips/tricks are in the first 15min of the run. After that it's "just be good"

[verbal violet]

Is the curse fleece viable for runs if you get good random curses?

It's probably nowhere near as good as the gold fleece

[weak pike]

After fleece nerf I thought about it. But also without upgrading your curses I don't think it is

Or even the tarot card fleece is decent for new games

[fluid sleet]

I think only at the harder difficulties

[modest stratus]

WHAT

HOW

[grim kayak]

modded

[modest stratus]

ah

prolly not then

[livid basin]

Testing

For some reason I cannot send messages to the secret mod channel

[modest stratus]

hm

oh what neither

prolly something

[livid basin]

That is a new way dc has choked. Never have I had similar happen to me, like only 1 channel not working

[blazing forum]

generally people speedrun 1.0.11 by downpatching

but you can get fairly comparable times on current patch (for now)

it makes dagger in silk cradle harder by a decent amount though

[little willow]

Idk if mods saw what was written earlier, but older patch is very prone to soft locking compared to newer patch, is there perhaps a way we could make the boards be be uncapped fleece and capped fleece?

[fluid sleet]

no ruling against it right now, the current wr it's in 1.0.12

[little willow]

This would make the uncapped fleece basically function as in 1.0.11 but with the stability of 1.012

Correct

[blazing forum]

yeah it is

That's up to the community

just so we're clear here: the boards are owned by the community, no one else.

[little willow]

Kindda like how Bioshock infinite has the HRH mod for their main board

[blazing forum]

If, as a community we decide certain mods are allowed, then they're allowed

[little willow]

The only reason im asking is cus the Downpatched version is fairly unstable for no reason with the softlocks and it makes it a pain to run

[blazing forum]

yeah

[little willow]

Yeah nothing changes really

[fluid sleet]

but is there a way to check for mods? bc what makes me against it is if it would be harder to verify the run

[little willow]

It’s just so the game doesn’t softlock as much

[fluid sleet]

it's already a long job for the mods

[little willow]

I mean the fleece shoes the %

Shows*

So if you submit for capped fleece and u go over 200% it’s obvious ur modded

And all runs in uncapped fleece are just allowed to go over 200%, I don’t see where the problem would be with verifying c:

[fluid sleet]

I mean, u don't really need to justify it since both patches are being accepted rn

[little willow]

It wouldn’t really change anything at all except make the runs for uncapped fleece less likely to softlock

[blazing forum]

he wants the boards separated

[little willow]

^

[fluid sleet]

some games when u put in a mod u can hide another in the same file, making it harder to verify the run

I think minecraft had that issue

[warped breach]

Need to do a vote section btw

[little willow]

Right but, if people wanna cheat they are gonna cheat, regardless

[fluid sleet]

yes, but the point is making it harder to cheat

I'm not against the modding

I just don't know how it would be for the mods

[little willow]

I mean people can already mod it without us knowing even if we don’t allow the modding?

[fluid sleet]

but we haven't decide any rules for modding until now, when we do we'll have to show what we're using I think

[little willow]

Right but again the fleece shows on its own that it goes over 200%

So there’s already a visual cue so idk what else u want

[blazing forum]

right but we have to be MORE clear with mods

[fluid sleet]

dude, I'm not against the fleece being modded

[fluid sleet]

YES

[blazing forum]

we can't just assume what mods people have

[little willow]

Saying that people can mod it further will always be the case regardless

[fluid sleet]

yes, that's what I'm saying, we would need a way to verify what mods are being used

[little willow]

I don’t understand why, maybe I’m ignorant

[fluid sleet]

cause people can just go and put god mode, or change their hitboxes

[narrow snow]

Because people could slip in a mod that makes the lamb not die.

[blazing forum]

It's easier to slip in mods if they're allowed at all because they become more ubiquitous

[little willow]

What is stopping people from doing that right now tho, is my question

Isn’t it just a dll file?

[blazing forum]

The fact that it's hard

[fluid sleet]

fart

[little willow]

I’m unsure if it’s more than a dll file, but I can understand the concern if it opens up options to other exploits

[blazing forum]

the more examples there are, the easier it is to make your own

just being honest

[little willow]

Absolutely, but I would counter argue that with, people who wanna cheat WILL cheat

[blazing forum]

especially because most mod creators use github or other repository that makes it extremely easy to see what they did

[little willow]

Regardless of the src boards rules and mods

[blazing forum]

Atm you would literally need to be able to code yourself

I'm not super against it, tbh

But it's still super early on in the games life

[fluid sleet]

is there a way to check the files being used in the run?

[little willow]

Yeah I agree, this was mostly to try and save uncapped as a category before softlocks would kill the category

Cus it’s very frustrating atm, I’ve had 5 of them out of 7 runs today lol

[blazing forum]

I mean, I rarely softlock

You just have to be careful in certain parts

[warped breach]

Stop QQ about softlock in downpatch please, it's your only arg , on 10 runs yesterday only have 1 random stop

[fluid sleet]

I honestly haven't softlocked in the uncapped since I downpatched

[warped breach]

You want a little less ? Play current patch

[blazing forum]

Also, as a dev I think it's a bad idea to use mods while things are being actively patched like EVERY week

[little willow]

I’ve had Shamura softlock me for absolutely no reason other than him spawning in, and I can’t understand why at all

[fluid sleet]

true

[little willow]

Dude can u just not talk to me?

[blazing forum]

Speedrunning is, ultimately, a solo experience. Do it however you want

[warped breach]

lul, I'll talk to you as long as you want to pass on stuff of your personal opinion, there'll always be a debate sorry

[blazing forum]

Regardless of us allowing uncapped patch later, it's a really bad idea to do it while the devs are patching the game super often. Things will break constantly

[little willow]

Yeah it’s funny how personal opinions are, how do you say it, personal?

So maybe stop telling people what to do and not to do with what they wanna speedrun when litterally all I’ve been trying to do the entire time is making a category less soft locky

[warped breach]

You're only whining about invalid arguments sorry, and if you want speedrun this on current patch , go , do it, but stop here, 1 or 2 run of 10 or softlock on downpatch, instead 1/10 in current , now if you are too bad to run with the capped version isn't my problem

[little willow]

We actually just allow people talk to others like this?

[blazing forum]

I don't have any actual power over discord lol

[little willow]

“If u are too bad to run with the capped version isn’t my problem”

[blazing forum]

[warped breach]

You literally told me not to talk to you 'cause my opinion doesn't go your way

[little willow]

I don’t think my arguments about the game softlocking a lot is invalid, if people have a fix for Shamura not soft locking us constantly pls be my guest and educate me, I want nothing more than to understand it.

[warped breach]

Shamura dosn't softlock constantly , invalid arg

[little willow]

No that’s not why I told you to not talk to me. Ur very rude in how u phrase urself and u have been entire day, that’s why I don’t want you to talk to me

[blazing forum]

Man, you both need to stop tbh

[little willow]

Ah okay thank u based elitist

[halcyon grove]

oh my god wtf is happening

[warped breach]

80 hours 0 softlock in Shamura sorry bro , isn't constantly

[fluid sleet]

I don't know but I got popcorn

[halcyon grove]

same tbh

[blazing forum]

but also this is a bad showing of the speedrunning community

[little willow]

Whatever dude ill just run current patch since apparently asking for fixes on a patch we allow is apperantly just name being bad at a video game

[blazing forum]

people come in here and look at chat

[warped breach]

I stop here , sorry btw

[blazing forum]

if this was the first shit I saw I'd leave

[fluid sleet]

yeah, I guess you're right

[little willow]

Yeah you’re right I should just sit and let other people tell me im shit instead

[wheat trout]

play stupid games win stupid prizes

[halcyon grove]

i think its funny how disconnected this speedrun community is from everyone else lol

[fluid sleet]

no dude, it's not what he's saying

[blazing forum]

you have a block button

[fluid sleet]

why u think that?

[little willow]

Is it not?

[fluid sleet]

I like the community

[halcyon grove]

i like it too but i just dont see to many new people

[fluid sleet]

aaaa true

[wheat trout]

yeah it's certainly been the same couple folks from the start, I feel like

or it's only the same folks that talk in here anyways

[halcyon grove]

yeah

[fluid sleet]

since we only got a channel we can't really see who's starting here

[blazing forum]

there's a good number of people who submitted speedruns who straight don't talk

[wheat trout]

were there plans for making a cotl speedrunning server bt dubs?

[blazing forum]

it already exists

[wheat trout]

oh word?

[blazing forum]

we use this one for the most part though

[fluid sleet]

yesterday there were some people who don't speedrun either showing some interest

[halcyon grove]

its dead asf tho

[blazing forum]

we decided that this would be the one we used so not to fracture the community

p much

[wheat trout]

yeah that's fair

can I get a link regardless por favor?

[fluid sleet]

we're at the beginning of building the community too, so it's not that much needed rn

[fluid sleet]

também quero

[halcyon grove]

how are verifications going?

[blazing forum]

sent

basically not

we just decided on what to even time a good like

couple of days ago

old AS makes things hard

[fluid sleet]

the timing is automated?

[blazing forum]

it isn't

[fluid sleet]

sadge

[blazing forum]

with the new AS it might be considered automated

but some mods were saying that it's inconsistent

manually retiming it takes a HOT minute because of that

getting your exact time w/ loads is really easy

manually taking them out is just very tedious

If you remember the talk about the AS taking out the small fade to black screens?

[rancid dust]

@dull horizon and I've made a script to count loading frames which run at x10 speed of the video, looks pretty robust, but it needs python+ffmpeg to work

[blazing forum]

yeah we were manually taking out the time of every one of those

there's like 350+ of them

[grim kayak]

tbf there's no link to any server on speedrun.com, people have to get here on their own

[halcyon grove]

there is

[grim kayak]

Welp I missed it my bad

[grim kayak]

My blind ass

[halcyon grove]

lol the cotl website with no style is hilarious

the social links are HUGE

[north birch]

Wow a lot sure has happened since I woke up lmao

[blazing forum]

tbh not much

[north birch]

Just a lot of messages

[fluid sleet]

yes

[halcyon grove]

an argument

[fluid sleet]

I guess u can call it that hahaha

[little willow]

Difference of opinions c:

[north birch]

Alas, may compile some smaller time saves and put it in #🏁・speedtech in a bit that was taken from the race last on the weekend

[blazing forum]

no, it was more like poo throwing

tbh

[little willow]

Lol

[blazing forum]

oh, for sure! that sounds great!

[little willow]

I threw no poops

[north birch]

Just give me a bit cause I gotta record gameplay to show examples of such

[blazing forum]

"My shit is grade A fertilizer! HE was just throwing poop!"

[fluid sleet]

Oh I don't know if u guys know it but there's a softlock after making food

[little willow]

LMAO

[blazing forum]

oh, if you do it too quick?

or is there some other one?

[rancid dust]

@copper trout if you still need this

[fluid sleet]

also

[blazing forum]

yes plz

[little willow]

Nah but fr I don’t feel like I said anything as bad as they did, but it’s whatever

[fluid sleet]

but if u talk to a follower and cancel before ratal talks to you, you can freely move during his text speech

however

after u come back from the first mission u get softlocked

[halcyon grove]

huh

[fluid sleet]

u don't return to the cult

I'll have to leave rn

[blazing forum]

huh

weird

[fluid sleet]

but I come back in about 4 hours and I'll try to make a video

I found it a couple of days ago but didn't try it enough to be sure

the 4 times I tried the 4 times it softlocked

[blazing forum]

I'm assuming this is on github somewhere? If we actually use this as true then I can retime like

10 runs today

[halcyon grove]

pog

[rancid dust]

I need some test videos, I've got only 2 right now, if you can provide me a couple that would be great

[halcyon grove]

what about clutter like overlays?

[rancid dust]

is something above loading icon (red crown) well, this can't be timed by this script

I mean if there is no clear vision on it

[blazing forum]

yeah I'll need to retime a couple manually but that's still better than the ALL OF THEM that it was before lol

[rancid dust]

but I guess retime this would be pain in the ass as well

[blazing forum]

like I'll need to move my chat overlay for my own runs lmao

[rancid dust]

if you've got sample that I can test it would be great

I think chat overlay is ok if there still a lot of red crown visible

needs to be tested

[blazing forum]

would a twitch recording work?

[halcyon grove]

what about stuff like dez's stream layout, where he has the gameplay in a frame

[rancid dust]

yep, everything that I can download )

[blazing forum]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1571000289?t=1h17m55s&tt_content=twitch_logo&tt_medium=embed then ;P

that's mine lol

I haven't finished a run in a good while

[rancid dust]

ok, I'll try

[blazing forum]

it's highlighted so it's only the one run

@rancid dust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exk5iHNwqnY&feature=emb_logo this one for without extras and has been retimed manually

[rancid dust]

ok

[rancid dust]

loading timings

|  total|    5840|   194.67|

[blazing forum]

super super close to what I got

like .8s off

[terse ruin]

Yo!

I'm going to be doing some runs soon :)

[blazing forum]

lez gooooo

remember to record them if you want to submit them ;P

[terse ruin]

of course !

[blazing forum]

If you want the current route, it is pinned

[terse ruin]

I stream daily :)

Ill be doing some runs tonight if you wanna stop by

[blazing forum]

we currently run on downpatched to 1.0.11 so that golden fleece is uncapped ;P

we'll see

[terse ruin]

Uncapped?

oh

wait

[blazing forum]

Current patch your golden fleece gets capped at 200%

[terse ruin]

holy shit

[blazing forum]

go back one patch and it scales infinitely

[terse ruin]

so there is no cap for the old patch?

[blazing forum]

I mean WR is on current patch

[terse ruin]

HOLY SHITY

[blazing forum]

but yeah

[terse ruin]

HZAHA

CP World record is a massive youtuber lol

[blazing forum]

most encounters get oneshot once you hit 200% anyway (besides bosses) so it's nbd

and it comes down mostly to not getting hit and optimizing combat

[terse ruin]

Yeah

I'm achievement hunting the game currently

[blazing forum]

Eleotan?

[terse ruin]

Yup!

Pretty neat

[blazing forum]

I don't check that stuff so I wouldn't know ;P

He actually got another world record yesterday lol

except he uh

he forgot to record

[terse ruin]

bruh?

[blazing forum]

it was very funny

we were racing

[terse ruin]

Do you mind if I send you a message? I'd appreciate some tips and chat

[blazing forum]

sure!

[terse ruin]

Sweeet

[blazing forum]

and yeah @rancid dust it seems p good to me! I'll talk with the other mods to see if we can use it if you can dm me the github link and whatnot

lemme find another oen that got retimed

[rancid dust]

nice, I'm still struggling to download twitch-video, for some reason speed is super low, I need maybe like another 20-30 minutes, and after I'll test script with chat over it

[terse ruin]

wait there was a kickstarter for this game?

[blazing forum]

tbh I haven't retimed my own run yet 🙂

[rancid dust]

ok np, after I'll test and make it work with partially covered loading icon )

[terse ruin]

A retime on a hour run?

[rancid dust]

I think loading time in the whole any% run is close to 3 minutes, maybe on some top hardware it'll be 2-2.5 minutes idk

[terse ruin]

wait they don't count loading time?

[blazing forum]

yes

it is hard

well

[terse ruin]

bro wtf is this doc

[blazing forum]

easy but tedious

[terse ruin]

yall

this game came out two weeks ago

[blazing forum]

:>

[terse ruin]

huge ass community, a million followers and a speedrunning guide

actually insane, GG

/pos

[blazing forum]

@rancid dust I actually don't see any other runs that were retimed w/ only red crown besides that and hayu's which I think you already tested on

though I can send that one again if you want

[terse ruin]

What run should I try doing first?

[blazing forum]

any% easy

100% is still being routed and is like 7h or so

[wheat trout]

I'm a bit out of the loop regarding how old as vs new as is gonna be handled on src.com 😅

although as I understand everything ab the leaderboard is wip pretty much atm right

[terse ruin]

omg endy chicken??

[blazing forum]

?

oh his pfp

[wheat trout]

chickenderman??>

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/452207379103219735/1003891923284664434/937299797625430026.gif

[rancid dust]

ah yes, I've already got it

[blazing forum]

If you want to redo that one, I'd love to see what you get

idk what you've changed (if you changed anything) since then

[rancid dust]

changes output format to CSV, so it can be easy copy-pasted to spreadsheets

[blazing forum]

sick ty

[rancid dust]

let me run it on that run brb

[rancid dust]

you mean this video right? https://youtu.be/FU7S65X-jjw

[blazing forum]

ye

[rancid dust]

kk

[terse ruin]

@rancid dust Do you mind a dm? :)

[rancid dust]

sure, if I can help

[terse ruin]

Trying to meet new people from the community :)

[wheat trout]

man, sucks that you missed the speedrun race that happened just yesterday

we actually had 7 peeps believe it or not

[blazing forum]

I'm going to be hosting weekly speedrun races on saturdays at 4:00 PM PST

[weak pike]

Yo I'm down to join on those

One of us will sub hour. I believe it

[halcyon grove]

mello created a twitch channel for the races

[blazing forum]

yeppers

I don't quite have access to it yet though

[wheat trout]

man I used to think so but I dunnoooo

we'll see what new tech props up

[blazing forum]

I think it will happen tbh

we still basically have 0 tech using OOB

if we find a way to clip oob in combat rooms we could literally just go to he boss

[weak pike]

To be 2 weeks after release, and a fleece nerf. And a WR already being 1:10... It's not that far fetched I don't think

[blazing forum]

and skip like most of hte time

we usually don't run current patch, though some do

[halcyon grove]

low 1:0x is possible but i dont know about sub 1 hour

[blazing forum]

again, we don't know what tech will be found

[rancid dust]

I've tried some OOB with noclip, I think there is no locations there it can be exploited

[blazing forum]

i think the demo speedruns ruined that ;P

tbh

but who knows what we might find in the future

[rancid dust]

I thought maybe you can trigger loading behind the doors, but no, while you dont open the dungeon or gateway door you can't do this

[wheat trout]

I'm rly curious ab a clip I saw over on the speedrun server, I'll move over to #🏁・speedtech

[rancid dust]

last row is total

[blazing forum]

that one was ~6s off

I think

you said before that it saves the frames so that you can check just in case?

If you don't see any there that aren't red crown then it's because I missed something, not the bot ;P

because it's 6s LOWER time

(as in, 6s more red crown)

[rancid dust]

first load is the load before first quote screen I think

but it's only 0.7s anyway

[blazing forum]

Oh, I don't think the timer starts till after that load

so we'd not want to count that anyway

[rancid dust]

script don't know such details, only checks for loading icon, so some checks maybe needed

[blazing forum]

i mean if it just outputs to CSV we can just copy paste into excel, no?

and then use excel macros/formulas

[rancid dust]

you've also can specify how much frames from the start should be skipped

[rancid dust]

yep

well, loading detection on your video works fine, I need more obstructed loading icon for testing

[blazing forum]

oh

well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=TDCGZk7YXjw&feature=emb_logo would this one be possible?

[rancid dust]

sure, there is nothing obstructing loading icon

[blazing forum]

so it works w/ overlays then?

[rancid dust]

and I've removed first load before quote screen

[blazing forum]

if that's ok then we can just say the bottom left corner has to be left open

[rancid dust]

as I said, while loading icon is visible its position and scaling doesn't matter

[narrow snow]

Alright i think im going to step away from CotL for a bit. Dont have a good way to record a 7 hour 100% speed run and it probably would be best to wait for a more stable update so dont need to worry about crashes.

If anyone else want to give 100% a shot feel free to ping me, I’ll give some advice.

[rancid dust]

I've found one minor bug, it doesn't print the last loading segment, but it accounted in total loading time anyways

[blazing forum]

lol

[rancid dust]

and it can detect this as well:

so I guess it's ok, but I want to test it with stream chat over it or something like this )

[buoyant granite]

@rancid dust try it with this https://youtu.be/ciQes3xlx2c

It's not got a chat over the game but I wanna see how small the game can go before the program doesn't recognise it anymore

(And yes ik I need to edit the misinformation in the title and thumbnail lmaoo)

[terse ruin]

oh sweet

[torpid atlas]

@rancid dust i can help you work with the auto splitter

[blazing forum]

i think the autosplitter is done

tbh

[rancid dust]

thx for offer, but I guess there is nothing to do right now, the main work is done, maybe some bugs will pop out, and maybe I need to add a couple of splits for 100% run, it depends on mods requests

[terse ruin]

what is the slowest run so far

[halcyon grove]

my first run was 3 hours

not submitted though

[blazing forum]

oh

there IS a 3h run submitted

[terse ruin]

oh wait

[halcyon grove]

damn

[blazing forum]

unsure if we should even like...time it

or accept it

[terse ruin]

wait actually?

[blazing forum]

yeah

[terse ruin]

that means my first run isnt the slowest

huh

[blazing forum]

like the 2h one I posted? that one was the guy doing no tricks and just yeeting towards the end

idk how you get 3h

[halcyon grove]

i died like 10 times lmao

[terse ruin]

i got 3 hours

no 2

[halcyon grove]

it was basically just a casual playthrough

[blazing forum]

even if you died to kallimar 10 times

that's 40min or so

[terse ruin]

i died once

im relatively good i just dont have a good route of what to do

my splits got heket and shamura mixed up too

[fluid sleet]

I can confirm that dying to kallimar 2 times is about 10 min

[terse ruin]

i died to a miniboss

[torpid atlas]

@blazing forum do you like the mod btw

[blazing forum]

?

[fluid sleet]

I know the feeling haha

[torpid atlas]

the one that uncap golden fleece

and o other feature

[blazing forum]

never used it lol

[terse ruin]

i need it

is there any skips after leshy?

[torpid atlas]

speedrun dont allow mod

sadly

[terse ruin]

i know but it would still be fun

not as a speedrun

[fluid sleet]

like, other than midas?

[blazing forum]

i mean you can downpatch to get uncapped fleece

[terse ruin]

yes

[torpid atlas]

with benefit of softlocks

[fluid sleet]

don't think so

not that we know

[terse ruin]

also i sucks at midas skip

so i just get golden fleece at the first bit

[little willow]

Gets easier the more u do it c:

It’s just a muscle memory thing about where ur mouse should be and the movement, no doubt you’ll get it down eventually c:

[terse ruin]

only problem

im a controller player

[little willow]

Was there a video btw of someone going oob?

Like ever

[blazing forum]

I mean so am I

you can switch between M&K and controller at whim

[little willow]

Oh u don’t play on pc at catkip?

[terse ruin]

i do

[little willow]

Yeah cus switching to kbm for that skip definitely makes it easier

[terse ruin]

i use controller on pc

[little willow]

Yeah so do we

[terse ruin]

i just have to switch to mouse

[blazing forum]

you just click the mouse and it switches to M&K

[little willow]

But for that skip we swap to mouse and keyboard

[blazing forum]

and then once you get the skip, pressing any button on controller switches back

[little willow]

^

[terse ruin]

i switch to keyboard controls while accepting followers in

[little willow]

Also need to look into the timing of the follower golden cloning

Oh u can actually do it p fast with controller we found, since u can use circle/B depending on ur controller layout to go to the bottom to accept follower

[terse ruin]

meh

i prefer mouse

[little willow]

Fair enough c:

[terse ruin]

oh and for ratau skip

is it possible to do ratau skip if the exit is a straight line infront of you

instead of on one of the side

[little willow]

But yeah we could save a lot of time if we found consistency with with the duping of the gold statues so we would skip the dialogue animations and the medallion thingy

[terse ruin]

oh wait

because i didnt do midas skip i have my own (slower) of way of getting golden fleece

it probably isnt faster

how long does midas skip take to get medallion?

[little willow]

Uhhh I’m unsure how long it exactly takes actually

[terse ruin]

because of its long animations

would the hooded fox and 3 of the fishermen ones work

maybe a little bit slower

probably a little bit slower

[autumn niche]

It should take about 2 minutes to get the medallion and then unlocking the golden fleece

[terse ruin]

oh wait

really?

[autumn niche]

Yes

But if you are able to dump followers when sacrificing to Midas it takes about 1m20s

[terse ruin]

ph

mine is so much slower then

i have to work on my midas skip

[wheat trout]

so invested in how the follower dumping actually works

gotta be a consistent way to do it

[autumn niche]

It is a really easy skip tbh

[terse ruin]

guess im just bad

[wheat trout]

nah I wouldn't worry ab it

just takes some getting used to

the trick is to make sure u wiggle the cursor while mashing E / clicking

[terse ruin]

i saw a video on it

before i started my run

i actually watched some of hayu's videos before i started

which is how i learned how to do follower skip too

their midas skip one shows where you have to put the cursor so i will probably just practice with that

[fluid sleet]

me too, really wish somebody found out

[little willow]

God I hope we can find a consistent way to follower dump

Might be easier to do on 30 fps if it’s cus of mashin

So the window is bigger

[terse ruin]

whats follower dumping?

[wheat trout]

sometimes if you get lucky (of if you mash hard enough) you can sacrifice followers to midas in the same prompt

[little willow]

^

[wheat trout]

so you skip dialogue and the shard animation

[little willow]

Basically skipping a 15 second animation ish?

[wheat trout]

or so, yeah

[little willow]

And if we can do it 3 times it’s 45 seconds which is huge lol

[wheat trout]

I thought it was only possible to get 2 sacrifices in a row but during the race I managed to get 3

so theres no limit it seems

[autumn niche]

Kiki is the only cotl player in history to get 3 lol

[little willow]

Oh shit really

[autumn niche]

We should crown him

[wheat trout]

xddd

[little willow]

That’s insane LOL

[terse ruin]

so it just seems to be mashing?

[wheat trout]

https://youtu.be/5WKVmU-iNOM?t=1093

[autumn niche]

He saved like 1 minute on that

[wheat trout]

time stamped it, see if you can figure out what's actually going on there

[little willow]

We’re unsure but that is our best guess

[wheat trout]

cause I tried and I couldnt tell you lmao

[little willow]

I know we have something similar in other games where a prompt is available small frames

So maybe like I said 30 fps makes it easier

[terse ruin]

the game really seems to have a thing of being actionable between cutscenes

[wheat trout]

unity type beat

I didnt even mash that hard man, I dont get it

looking at my inputs now

wait a second

....

[halcyon grove]

i think its frame perfect

[wheat trout]

yeah I think it rly is being able to press E on the pedestal while the camera does the little pan, right before midas' dialogue starts playing

[little willow]

Yeah it’s either a timing thing or a frame thing probably

[wheat trout]

my cursor was always on it

thats my theory at least

[terse ruin]

hold on

i have a file where i havent done any midas sacrifices yet

i can just keep trying on there

[wheat trout]

follower dump training save lesgoooo

also are we in agreement this is called follower dumping from now on.

xdd

pretty catchy

[terse ruin]

2 for 1 offer followers

follower dumping sounds cool tho

[wheat trout]

midas steam sale

[terse ruin]

black friday

[wheat trout]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LCrmTRZVTbCXlWrUs1zEZ8jQ1XD18vKYULNGKcLn2XU/edit

would it be a medium skip on here

[grim bolt]

is the ratau tutorial cutscene allwed for skip? on NMG

[terse ruin]

oh wait

i just realised

when you turn a follower into gold you walk backwards then get the midas dialouge

when you did follower dump you didnt walk backwards

[wheat trout]

yeah I think you only start moving towards the designated dialogue spot once the dialogue actually begins

[terse ruin]

you move there then the dialogue begins

i think

OH

i just did it

i tried it while holding dpad up, spamming a and spamming b

hold on how do i get an input thing

[wheat trout]

I use Nohboard

free and ez to setup for obs

altho it's mainly for kb

[terse ruin]

does it work with controller?

[wheat trout]

for gamepad I've found this

https://gamepadviewer.com/

[terse ruin]

i got it

[terse ruin]

nevermind i just got lucky here

there is more to it

im not sleeping until i get this on camera again

what if you open the menu during the cutscene?

but it only shows you opening that menu after it ends

i got it again

it’s not spam it’s timing

i think

[weak pike]

Spam = timing in this case haha

[terse ruin]

some inputs can cancel out others

i think

that may just be some games

has anyone got follower dump not on the second sacrifice

it seems like spam

im gonna look into it tomorrow

or look into it more tomorrow

[little willow]

@terse ruin can u try 30 fps and mash?

See if that’s more consistent

[terse ruin]

uhhhh

sure

[warped breach]

It is

[terse ruin]

i just powered off my pc one sec

[warped breach]

In 30 FPS 4 in row, on 140 it's painful to have 1

[little willow]

Yeah that’s what I thought aswell

So maybe it’s smarter to swap to 30 as u get there to make it more consistent

[wheat trout]

lmaooo

[warped breach]

I think too yeah, or it's only luck on 30 fps try, but I don't think so

[wheat trout]

new strat just dropped

[terse ruin]

i will try

[little willow]

Thanks c:

What strat Kiki? 👁️

[wheat trout]

nah just this, switching to 30 fps midrun

[little willow]

Ah lmao

Yeah it’s been a thing in a lot of games, it’s super annoying but it makes sense I guess

[wheat trout]

ye

wonder if it would help with mashing dodge for follower skip too

[autumn niche]

Maybe

But it's not like a major skip

So I think you shouldn't botter

[wheat trout]

new peak speedrunner performance is adapting to 30 fps gameplay all the time and just run like that

[terse ruin]

it is much easier on 30fps

[wheat trout]

30 fps is the future

[terse ruin]

i got it first try

on 30fps

[warped breach]

Yup it works well on 30 , still not 100% but it's nice

Thanks for the idea @little willow (:

[little willow]

Ayyy my RE glitches has uses lets go

[terse ruin]

i found out something else

the you start moving to where you should usually move the moment the statue hits the ground

also is it just me or does the camera only pan down sometime

and sometimes when it does it doesnt even do follower dump

is there anything else you want me to test before i go to sleep

[buoyant granite]

Test if you can kill TOWW when he gives you the crown at the start of the game lmao

[little willow]

I don’t quite understand what u wrote here

[little willow]

Lolol

[terse ruin]

oh oops

when the statue hits the pile of gold that is when the lamb starts moving, therefore starting the cutscene with midas' dialogue

you want to either spam before then (which most of us already do) or do a frame perfect button press

[buoyant granite]

Are we able to develop something (I'm assuming it'd be a mod or something) that let's us have savestates for practice?

[terse ruin]

i have a save file already that is there

[buoyant granite]

Ik it's something they use in Hollow Knight to cycle between multiple bosses and skip locations

I mean not necessarily just for Midas dialogue

[fluid sleet]

it would be so good if we got it

[warped breach]

I ruin my save file , automatic save pranked me :(), but yeah it could be very nice to have a practice tool

[fluid sleet]

we could test so many things

[buoyant granite]

But for bosses, certain dialogues, npc room interactions, etc

[terse ruin]

wouldnt that just be a room teleport?

[little willow]

I know someone who made a save file organizer for Solar Ash, I could ask them?

[buoyant granite]

Well the thing is the room is always the same I'm pretty sure

Just the things inside it get replaced