💨・speedrunning

[dull horizon]

yeah

a bit

[little willow]

Just remember this isn’t ur job, it’s a thing u do for free and for the community, take the time it needs

[dull horizon]

ive been a neon white supermod for like 5 months and when the game released it was a bit of a nightmare

[little willow]

Oh god bless u lol

[dull horizon]

nah it was good

it's easier when youre doing nothing anyways

but its sad bc i was busy on release day

[little willow]

Oh for sure, but u mentioned college

Stuff like that piling on each other can get hectic real fast

[dull horizon]

neon white's a bit slow rn

mostly just ils and we use a spreadsheet for those

not src

full game category might have just been murdered

but yeah idm the responsibility because i like helping speedgames grow n shit

and i think i do a pretty alright job

hopefully

and its a side thing so i never take it tooooo seriously

speedrunning is just a hobby yaknow

[little willow]

I feel ya, glad you see it that way c:

The only “concerns” I had, had already been addressed kindda with the hole, downpatch or not for main category

[lean girder]

always, speedruns are for fun

[dull horizon]

speedrunners are also chill so like

its never gotten too taxing

[little willow]

You haven’t modded a RE game then

[dull horizon]

yeah patch is my main concern but it looks like we all agreed on a split

[lean girder]

Runners in general are usually more chill and reasonable yeah

[dull horizon]

ive watched re runs and they... are funny

[lean girder]

ppl are more childish? xd

[little willow]

So my only only concern with split boards is that it’s gonna “confuse” newcomers and more like, make 1 board obsolete almost since the other one is identical but faster if that makes sense?

[dull horizon]

there was a clip that circulated on twitter of a dude roasting one of his viewers for a pretty silly question and that about gave me the correct impression

[little willow]

Was it captain ezekiel?

Cus I edited that video LMAO

[dull horizon]

idk who it was i laughed at it and moved on lmao

[dull horizon]

i think thats fair but im more interested in making competition fair personally

[little willow]

That was a dude who came in and said complaining about rng was stupid

[lean girder]

oh sweet summer child

[little willow]

Which was just mind blowing

[dull horizon]

i think the viewer said to stop playing the game if you were complaining about it

or smth

[lean girder]

let's introduce CotL and other heavily based RNG games

[little willow]

Yeah that’s the one LOL

[dull horizon]

which i think is a fair criticism and also kind of silly

[little willow]

I litterally edited that video that’s so funny lol

[dull horizon]

people complaining all the time isnt good content but also speedrunning can be frustrating so some complaints are fine

ive malded on stream

i also dont really give a shit about my stream content so

shrug

[dull horizon]

nice

lmfao

[little willow]

So like, not to go too deep into it, cus people have the opinions they have. But I feel like as a speed runner u get frustrated and sometimes u vent frustration and move on, but when someone comments on it like that it’s pretty weirdge

[dull horizon]

it depends on circumstance

[lean girder]

ooooh boi the random hitboxes and weird out-of-suddent softlocks from CotL do piss me off sometimes

[dull horizon]

if the entire stream was that i get it

granted i think u just silently stop watching

if you think its ur job to tell mr. big man strimmer that youre not enjoying the content then gooooo fuck yourself honestly that shits mad annoying

[little willow]

Yeah its like if u don’t like the content u don’t need to stick around

[dull horizon]

kid shit fr

[lean girder]

I usually mald in a funny way

[little willow]

Also the video was made in like meme form

To joke about it and make a new pasta

[dull horizon]

yeah

it was a good pasta

[little willow]

But oh my it got blown out of proportion

Twitter is a wild place man lol

But to answer ur question @lean girder , RE runners are very glitchless runners usually, so when Village had a lot of glitches due to pipe bombs throwing us oob, there was a LOT of discussion about what the main cat should be

Which is fair, but it became stupid insult stuff instead of actually just running what u wanted

Which brings me back to my point of split boards, if the boards are split with let’s say 600% fleece and 200% fleece, I don’t see a reason why people would wanna run 200% over 600%

Hope my phrasing makes sense

[dull horizon]

oh dude you should see the sonic speedrunning community

sa2 is goin through that rn

[little willow]

Ah rip lmao

[dull horizon]

granted im not an sa2 runner but

im close enough to them to know its happening lol

[little willow]

Like I understand 200% fleece would be more accessible atm, but 600% fleece would for sure be faster always

[dull horizon]

i mean it comes down to personal preference

[lean girder]

that's one of the main reasons why I want the leaderboards split

[dull horizon]

its also massively unfair to have them all compared

[lean girder]

it's quite different having the chance to double hit a boss adn kill them

versus 10-15 hits

[dull horizon]

i frankly wish they wouldnt have patched it in the first place because its way more skillful to go hitless through an entire dungeon to 1hit a boss

like i dont see the harm there

shrug

alas im not a dev

[little willow]

Yeah so my only complaint with it would be that one of the boards will be not as ran as the other one if you get what I mean?

[west horizon]

[dull horizon]

yeah i know

[little willow]

LMAO

[dull horizon]

but its either that or new runners are massively disadvantaged until they decide to down patch

[little willow]

Hi friend c:

[dull horizon]

which imo is worse

[west horizon]

Nico

[little willow]

Well if downpatching is as easy as I was told it shouldn’t be a big problem c:

[dull horizon]

idk if it is

havent tried

also probably wont for a bit because i gotta grindset neon white for a marathon

[west horizon]

Is this one of those they patched something cool in the speedrun things

[little willow]

They patched an item that gives 200% dmg buff from 600%

But if u get hit u lose the buff

[west horizon]

600% does sound kinda broken

Ah I see

[little willow]

So it’s a weird like “if ur good it’s really op on downpatch”

[dull horizon]

uh

it didnt go from 600% to 200%

[little willow]

Did it not?

[dull horizon]

it went from uncapped to 200%

[little willow]

UNCAPPED LMAO

[dull horizon]

yeah

lmfao

ive gotten it to 2000

[little willow]

MY BAD LMAOOO

[dull horizon]

its sick

[west horizon]

Okay tbf uncapped seems broken lmao

[little willow]

Yeah so my point was

[dull horizon]

it is

[calm peak]

but it's so fun

[dull horizon]

until you get hit

you have to play mega safe for it to be worth which is slow asf

[west horizon]

Which is fair that it's fun

[little willow]

Why do we have two categories identical but with 1 being item is broken 1 being item is less broken c:

[dull horizon]

if you play risky you go fast and then boom

[calm peak]

let's goo

[dull horizon]

i dont think current patch would be the same fleece

it'd be different iirc

another fleece is better if golden is capped

[little willow]

Oh I was thinking fleeceless axtually

For current

[calm peak]

gg

[dull horizon]

oh i think fleeceless wont be split

[little willow]

Or at least not gold fleece

[dull horizon]

because there's no real difference between current patch and old patch fleeceless iirc

[little willow]

Like we would have to find a fleece that’s easily accessible

[calm peak]

pray to the rng gods mostly

[little willow]

I think I phrased myself horrible @dull horizon

I meant for current patch fleeceless/another fleece would be the way to go

Obviously idk what fleece since it would have to be a fleece that’s nearby and easily accessible

[lean girder]

just separate the leaderboards like every other game

[little willow]

Otherwise I don’t see what would be worth the time loss as much as gold fleece

[west horizon]

I often opt for current patch and old patch variables

[little willow]

Definitely nothing wrong with that unless more dmg nerfs come through monka

Then if gets split up to 3 and so on

Dang brother gg

[warped breach]

Thank you ❤️

[dull horizon]

the only problem is having patch on variables would be a bit unfair

[calm peak]

gg

[little willow]

Absolutely agree

[dull horizon]

wait hjarl what was your 1:10

[west horizon]

Different categories*

[dull horizon]

is this wr?

[calm peak]

1:10:06

[west horizon]

Not variables

[little willow]

Hjarl is wr iirc

[dull horizon]

oh yeah thats the plan salad

[west horizon]

Good good

Best way imo

[dull horizon]

okay i gotta go do some neon white stuff

[west horizon]

[dull horizon]

ty for talk gamers :catboo:

no catboo sadge

[little willow]

Salad u wanna discord route stuff? C:

Lmao

[lean girder]

50 secs on intro? how the fuck is that possible?

[little willow]

U2 shovel, have a good one fam

[west horizon]

Brother man I'm downstairs with a puppy

[little willow]

So go upstairs with puppy wtf

[west horizon]

Don't even own the game

[little willow]

LMAO

Ukaychamp

[west horizon]

I was coming here to check if this games timing method is any good

[little willow]

Ahhh man wanted to ask “y’all need an autosplitter? I can make one if someone buys me the game “

[warped breach]

Intro isn't the complete level for me , it's just when the cinematic is finish

[west horizon]

Autosplitters aren't free you know

[little willow]

I know brother ♥️

Toast does it for free tho c:

[lean girder]

autosplitter?

[west horizon]

Toast also retired coz he's sick of doing it for free lol

[little willow]

Nah I’d pay u any day of the week for it tho no cap

[warped breach]

Yup

[lean girder]

from 2:25 to 0:50, that's a huge difference

maybe my runs split that way are actually way faster than I think

[little willow]

Taleone ur downpatched correct?

[warped breach]

Yes

[little willow]

Do U have the link to downpatch?

Or anyone for that matter

[warped breach]

Look pinned message 😛

[lean girder]

pinned messages

welp, bb

[autumn niche]

Downpatched?

[calm peak]

yep

[autumn niche]

GG man

[calm peak]

@dull horizon I've added my run to speedrun.com

[dull horizon]

cool

it uses load remover correct

[little willow]

uhh

steam console just says command not found: depotdownloader.exe

anyone know why? i definetly have depotdownloader

[dull horizon]

uhhh

try reinstalling?

i wouldnt know

or reboot pc

[little willow]

already did reinstall depotdownloader

very weirdge

[autumn niche]

Type download_depot 1313140 1313141 1944981499758156304

[little willow]

and then i type in DepotDownloader.exe -app 1313140 -depot 1313141 -manifest 1944981499758156304 -dir X:\CotL\Downpatch -username <username> right?

@autumn niche

[autumn niche]

No

[little willow]

then i feel like the pinned message is misleading

[autumn niche]

Type this and then wait for it to download

[little willow]

aight

[autumn niche]

When the download is complete just add the game manually to steam and voila

[little willow]

kindda confused ngl

but imma try

there is also 0 indication of the game downloading

oh wait it's saying downloading depot 829 mb

i assume it will say when it's finito aswell?

ayy it worked

thanks c:

[autumn niche]

Np

[little willow]

could we maybe pin that instead, it's a bit easier

Type download_depot 1313140 1313141 1944981499758156304

wait til it says it's done and find the file location and add it manually to steam

[dull horizon]

can i ask if doing that got rid of your save files

[little willow]

i can check

i basically have 2 versions now

1 downpatched and 1 not downpatched

[autumn niche]

It doesn't

[dull horizon]

cool

[autumn niche]

You can run a save file in both versions

[little willow]

what's DP version supposed to be?

1.0.11?

[crimson ocean]

Yes

[little willow]

amazing

yeah save files works on both versions, verypog

shout out to shovelclaws for allowing me to be a guineapig regarding my savefiles

[dull horizon]

idk what i did but ill take it

[little willow]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-your-character-has-been-approved-congratulations-approved-knuckles-gif-25372783

[rancid dust]

Hey, I've spend some time to find a stable way in ASL to skip real loadings and not transitions between rooms (there is no actual load in them, just fadein/fadeout animation same on all configurations), and I also added support for the Demo version, so I'm planning to send request to this ASL to LiveSplit.xml

Next - adding support for 100% splits, locations, cards and so on.

[little willow]

amazing job!

@rancid dust i assume it works for both patches?

[dull horizon]

can we just remove fade-ins????

frankly having to go back and retime EVERYTHING because of that change will be a really big problem, especially when we're already behind on runs

i get it makes manual retiming a bit worse but its either that or adding back the fades to existing runs

i mean idk thats my opinion

[little willow]

im assuming this is pre asl runs that were submitted?

[dull horizon]

i'd rather retime runs sitting in queue rather than the ones already verified

[hearty vapor]

this 100% worked for me

[little willow]

yeah idk why it didnt work for me

but the other way worked

[hearty vapor]

just make sure ur in the directory of the exe file

[little willow]

so 🤷‍♂️

[rancid dust]

yes, it should work for any patch

[rancid dust]

Is it because of you cut transitions off while retiming runs?

[dull horizon]

its mostly because the runs currently using the load remover would now have to be retimed

[rancid dust]

The problem with using transitions is parts of the game where you can control your Lamb while still in transition state, so timer is paused, technically it is not a loading state.

But if it is such a problem I think I can revert this change.

[dull horizon]

its just that giving us more runs to retime doesnt seem like the best idea

i also think those screens can become loading screens if the game fails but i dont remember if this actually happened to me or if i just think it did

[rancid dust]

My only intention here was to make a good loading state detection, because it depends on runners hardware.

[little willow]

can confirm if u die the game takes a bit to load u into the last position

[dull horizon]

does it????

[little willow]

and i wouldnt be surprised if hardware decided stuff like some black screens but not all

since hidden load screens

[rancid dust]

if you dies it just run some real time animations, like 2 or 3 seconds halt etc

[little willow]

gotcha!

[rancid dust]

this delays just hardcoded into the game, and they are not hardware-dependent, well, maybe a millisecond or two difference is possible, but this is normal

same for the transition screens between rooms

[copper trout]

Hey Everyone

[rancid dust]

the rooms are generated on dungeon load, so there is no need to actual load them during dungeon run

[copper trout]

Quick thing

Boards are updated to have

• NMG
• Patch choice

[halcyon grove]

yooooo

nice

[copper trout]

with that, we'll move current runs appropriately to their new homes

but please select what you're submitting for ❤️

No Major Glitches

No teleport or follower duping

• anything else that might be found that doesn't belong in a NMG run

I'd have to see it

[calm peak]

https://youtu.be/eRVY6R1bmXQ

[rancid dust]

it is a hard choice actually, make a more accurate loading screen detection either do not create more work for the mods (

[buoyant granite]

Bruhh, I can't even get a good night's sleep and wake up with my record still in tact lmaoo

[livid basin]

Follower skip is a minor glitch. It doesn't sequence break the game like tp skip or follower dupe

[buoyant granite]

Ggs tho

[calm peak]

lol can't let you keep it for to long

[buoyant granite]

I'm coming for it again don't you worry 😉

Sub 1:10 today I can feel it haha

[copper trout]

if we can not count every door as a load, that'd be nice

just red crown screens is enough

[calm peak]

I believe in you

[dull horizon]

then literally every current load remover run will need to be retimed

[copper trout]

you want to time 6 or 22 runs? xD

[halcyon grove]

what happened to all the runs

[dull horizon]

that just adds runs for us to retime

we have to retime the rta runs anyways

lol

[copper trout]

ah yeah tru

[dull horizon]

it'd be either 22 or 28

[buoyant granite]

he says as he secretly already has a sub hour run completed ready to post

[copper trout]

I added a category + patch selection

[rancid dust]

that's actually like it works with this update, it detects loading screens with red crown icon

[dull horizon]

and 6 of those would have a completely different process

[copper trout]

we could reject everyone and ask to use the updated timer

[dull horizon]

i mean yes but also toxic

[copper trout]

LUL

[blazing forum]

I meannnnn

[copper trout]

moving to secret thread

[dull horizon]

lmfao

i'd actually much rather have it here tbh

[calm peak]

pls don't

[dull horizon]

that way non-mods can input

[blazing forum]

^

[rancid dust]

well I can make you a script that count frames skipping loading screens with red crown...

[copper trout]

ok hold on

it's up to you all what do u think is easier
timing every run that didn't use the auto splitter ( that's being updated to only time red crown loads, so you'll have to do it for every future run )
or retiming everything to only include the red crowns, making retiming less work and fit with future runs

[dull horizon]

if you can do that and have it be a choice between counting only the frames without the red crown and only the frames with the red crown it'd help

[blazing forum]

Retiming for only red imo

[halcyon grove]

i love watching arguments that dont affect me

[blazing forum]

The current splitter ive seen used has a ton of other small times where it pauses

[copper trout]

same, I think going through 28 runs will be a lot, but into the future will be easier

[buoyant granite]

So wait how much time will this add to runs on average?

[blazing forum]

The small transitions add on like 5min

[copper trout]

@buoyant granite estimated 3-5 min

[dull horizon]

it'd be basically nothing

[blazing forum]

We'd have to retime already verified runs

[dull horizon]

but there's a reasonable argument for it

[calm peak]

so sub 1:10 will be a lot harder

[blazing forum]

But after that it would be super easy and quick to verify

[dull horizon]

sub hour is possible hjarl

trust

believe

[copper trout]

Those runs need to be reverified anyways cause of the change to having a patch choice

[rancid dust]

I also no not want pause timer while title video plays and quote screen is active, because you can skip them.

[dull horizon]

ehhh

idm that not being timed too much

[blazing forum]

I honestly agree. The skips are technically a skill 😛

[dull horizon]

it needs to be a meaningful skill

imo

[copper trout]

button mash skill

[rancid dust]

maybe a couple of seconds

[copper trout]

and lets not forget input lag

[dull horizon]

plus it gives a good down time for a bit to just chill

i really hate running this game rta bc my hands get real hurty real fast

[blazing forum]

You telling me mashing isn't an important skill in this game?

[buoyant granite]

Can you prioritise verification of whoever has the wr contending run atm (I'm assuming it's still hjarls) with the new timing method so we know what our new time to beat is?

[dull horizon]

im saying mashing to skip those cutscenes isnt

[blazing forum]

We would be, yes

[dull horizon]

since you cant skip them on controller

[north birch]

I can sympathize with hands hurting after a run

[cobalt stratus]

Anyone trying Fleece of the glass canon build? Was on a sloppy 1h30 pace, working on a route to make it consistent ATM

[dull horizon]

we'd go from best time to worst

in terms of lb position

[rancid dust]

and this is what stops me from doing this )

[buoyant granite]

OK cool beans

[dull horizon]

shrug!

[rancid dust]

because it is possible using only mouse and keyboard, that would be unfair

[dull horizon]

im a bit indifferent

but i lean not timing them

frankly

we could run a poll

[copper trout]

yeah lemme poke @lyric ermine on the poll

[dull horizon]

but first speedrun announcement channel pausechamp?

[copper trout]

waiting for other staff approval for that one

[dull horizon]

also maybe a speedrunner opt-in role 🙏

that way we can tag the speedrunners about polls and stuff

[blazing forum]

Early midas is also m&k only though

[copper trout]

my boss is probably sleeping so, I'd expect an answer sometime tomorrow

[dull horizon]

np

[lyric ermine]

Yes? 😁

[copper trout]

how's the poll bot?

[lyric ermine]

Oof not quite ready yet

[copper trout]

kk

❤️

[lyric ermine]

I'd just make one yourself haha

1️⃣ 2️⃣

[copper trout]

I dunno coding NotLikeThis

[lyric ermine]

No no

Make a message and add reactions

[copper trout]

but I'm lazy :p

XD

[lyric ermine]

Aight shoot me the message text and I'll make it 😂

[copper trout]

ok that's fair

LUL

~~now I just need to get someone to approve the announcement / role ~~

[rancid dust]

you right, but early Midas gives you so much and skipping quote screens gives you a few seconds, I think it is ok

ok, so I conclude, cut only loading screens with red crown icon, time transitions, start there you gain control of the Lamb for the first time, end on credits begin to play

[blazing forum]

what do you mean 'time transitions' though :V

[rancid dust]

do not pause timer on room transitions

[blazing forum]

ah

yes plz

it's so annoying LOL

[rancid dust]

so, whoosh, here you go, new version is already available for tests

[autumn niche]

Great!

I've been waiting the whole week for this

[rancid dust]

I'm glad we decided to skip only true loading screens, because I've waste like 6 hours trying to find a way to do this. In the end I've found a good one to do this, but the data I need was in native Unity code and not in the managed one (ASLHelper unable to extract such data). I've used Cheat Engine to track down a valid offset and here we go.

[autumn niche]

And I have something funny to show you guys

This is my downpatched pb

And this is my currant patch pb

[dull horizon]

bruh

[calm peak]

GG

[copper trout]

GG

[dull horizon]

gg

[rancid dust]

@dull horizon if you can describe how you count frames while retiming video right now, I'll try to make some scripting magic.

[dull horizon]

frankly i havent retimed anything lmfao

been busy all week

[rancid dust]

<_<

[blazing forum]

uh

i go into a youtube video

I go to where it starts fading

pause

press , or . to advance frame by frame

[dull horizon]

what i do is use a retiming tool

[copper trout]

^this

lemme post one to the mod channel

[blazing forum]

rude, you didn't show me those

:O

[dull horizon]

if i was going to retime something then i'd take the time between that and then the first frame where its no longer loading

subtract it from final time

[blazing forum]

yeah p much

[calm peak]

Video?

[dull horizon]

or just add all loading times together and then subtract the sum

[rancid dust]

I know only one retime tool that counts frames from StartTime to FinishTime

I've used it to retime, I don't remember, that was Iconoclasts or Yestermorrow

[blazing forum]

but you have to actually get all the loading times, that's what I was doing lol

[dull horizon]

i use speedrun retime tool v2.0 @blazing forum

[dull horizon]

yeah i know

im saying i take all the loading times and add them and then subtract that

instead of subtracting 20000 times lol

[rancid dust]

yeah, my question was which frames you cut off while retime

[dull horizon]

yeah im not sure

[copper trout]

if we're doing red crown loads only, then subtract any frame where the lower left has the red crown on it

[blazing forum]

I mean I just use an excel document with formulas to do everything for me in terms of math

[rancid dust]

exactly my thoughts

[livid basin]

Red crowns are only about half of the loads (in time). Every room entry has a shorter loads we try to take into account

[blazing forum]

not anymore :>

[copper trout]

that's so much more work though D:

[rancid dust]

well, not anymore

[copper trout]

I'm gunna brb and get my sick kid upstairs

[rancid dust]

wish him well, my son first day without fever but still coughing

[autumn niche]

Uploading rn

[rancid dust]

@dull horizon can you give me a link to video for testing retime script?

[dull horizon]

would it work for both yt and twitch videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU7S65X-jjw here's an already verified run

[rancid dust]

well, I can make a script for downloaded video, idk if I can pull it out for online source, anyway the first goal is to retime downloaded video properly

[dull horizon]

gotchu

[blazing forum]

there's a lot of ways to download youtube videos

[dull horizon]

yea

[blazing forum]

if you just time the amount of time spent in red screens from that, we can just time the with loads (takes like 10s to do that) and subtract

[sudden nacelle]

Are the boards getting reorganized?

[modest stratus]

dammit

almost had a really good pace run

but autosplitter acted up

[dull horizon]

kinda

if boards look weird we're figuring stuff out

adding patch variables kinda fucked everything it seems

[hearty vapor]

proud WR holder

[dull horizon]

proud of you hayu

but also click filter > patch > any

sorry

we're fixin it

[hearty vapor]

i just won't but thanks for suggestion

[dull horizon]

lmfao

[wheat trout]

just found out I've been running for the past few days with faulty obs settings which cause severe input lag

fml

so much salt could've been avoided

[blazing forum]

lol

[wheat trout]

I was wondering why I cant even skip dialogue as fast as other people

and why my dodges glitch out 24/7

[modest stratus]

YO

SHIUT

[blazing forum]

Are you streaming or just recording? Streaming can be very gpu/cpu intensive (depending on what encoder you use).

[modest stratus]

I THINK I JUST FOUND CONSISTENT FOLLOWER SKIP

[halcyon grove]

for all follower rooms?

[modest stratus]

For the first

[blazing forum]

If you need to just record and not stream, you can manually upload to youtube later. That's not an issue. We don't really have a minimum resolution either, but make it watchable lol

[dull horizon]

it is consistent btw

[blazing forum]

hmmm, I wonder if the consistent follower skip is consistent 🤔

[modest stratus]

really?

WAIT WHAT

oh

dam

it was already found lmao

[dull horizon]

well i mean

i thought it was known so i never brought it up

but yeah i hold left and very slightly down and just time it

[halcyon grove]

yeah its in the document

[blazing forum]

oh lmao

I just hold left and just fucking mash

:3

mash god mash god

[north birch]

Same here. When in doubt, mash

[dull horizon]

if you just hold left its inconsistent

because you wanna be on the edge of the room

[modest stratus]

we working on shit so now runs are fully broken

woops

[dull horizon]

oops

[blazing forum]

WHOOSPIE

god I love that sticker

[buoyant granite]

50% of my runs have ended here to not being enough of a mash god

[blazing forum]

just mash harder

:>

[fierce tangle]

Still, I'd like to hear that lol

[blazing forum]

it's rolling left and slightly down

so not doable on M&K

but you can just go straight left and mashgod your way to victory, it's just less consistent

mash god mash god

[weak pike]

Whenever I roll left and 'slightly' down I clip the corner of the map and ratau triggers... Am I too far down?

[blazing forum]

then yeah

and it has to be immediate

brb, commissioning a lambert mash emote

for twitch

[rancid dust]

Good news, autosplitter was added to official LiveSplit database, so now you can turn it on by clicking "Activate" in "Splits Editor" window and configure by clicking "Settings" button.
Don't forget to remove "Scriptable Auto Splitter" from "Layout Editor" if you added one.
And you don't need to download LiveSplit.ASLHelper.bin manually, it will be downloaded automatically.

[dull horizon]

LETS GOOOO

huge

[blazing forum]

Just making sure, it auto starts no matter what right?

or does 'title video ends' need to be ticked for it

[high sinew]

is there any way to replicate this on keyboard this kills like 90% of my runs 😭

[blazing forum]

I don't think so

The problem of having digital inputs

[rancid dust]

it starts automatically if "Start" checkbox is active

[blazing forum]

figured, just making sure ;P

[hearty vapor]

tbf follower skip is like 10-15 seconds, it's not massive

[blazing forum]

if your combat is good enough you could get WR without it

no matter what, p much

there's always more to optimize in combat 🙂

[high sinew]

Any tips for daggers? always struggle to go fast with them

[hearty vapor]

standing still lets you attack faster

[rancid dust]

during this run my script found 173,4 seconds of loading screens (10405 frames)

[hearty vapor]

wait thats mine

[blazing forum]

about 3 minutes sounds about right

the small loading zones were the large majority

I think this was this run that I did?

I think someone else retimed it again after me though

[grim rain]

[rancid dust]

for testing purposes I've saved all the loading frames and check them afterwards

[blazing forum]

There are some frames where the red crown appears but hte circle does not

btw

but you have more than I do so who knows

[rancid dust]

yep, they counted as loading frames too

[rancid dust]

oh yes, there is 10405 frames )

[blazing forum]

7s difference is very very slight

that's only like....2 big loading zones lol

'big'

[rancid dust]

I also can calculate every loading zone and give you stats on that, brb

[blazing forum]

I honestly think that if you can make it so that we can link to the start of each loading zone (like, give us the time to go to in the video) then it would be a very easy way to check

since you just need to make sure each one is counted

I cannot imagine the bot messing up which ones have red crown on them considering it basically doesn't move

assuming it's made correctly ;P

[rancid dust]

several load zones from beginning (start frame and duration in seconds):

     317 -  0.783s
     528 -  3.23s
    4955 -  0.783s
    6633 -  0.683s
    8093 -  0.35s
    9069 -  2.48s

this is for the video https://youtu.be/FU7S65X-jjw

(first two occurs before timer starts)

ah, my bad, missing one frame from each zone, typical +/- 1 error ignore this, all good

[buoyant granite]

So will we need to update the script we have already in our auto splitter?

[rancid dust]

You can now use LiveSplit provided autosplitter #💨・speedrunning message

[buoyant granite]

Aaahh I see

That's amazing

You're amazing too 👏

[rancid dust]

thx, np

[blazing forum]

I'm finding I get the sword at 1min into the run. How were people getting 1min splits on tutorial

ok nevermind

[dull horizon]

wait 1 minute SPLITS on tutorial????

[rancid dust]

full video analyze https://pastebin.com/QhrH2Sa0

[rancid dust]

there is one short loading before first Quote screen and another loading before player gets control of the Lamb

[dull horizon]

oh wait

they meant

okay nevermind lol

[rancid dust]

and before you get to base you've got another 5 seconds of loading time

(time above in seconds yeah)

tomorrow I'll add some configuration to the script and post link here so anyone can use it, script is pretty dumb, just iterates through video frames and checks several points on screen for specific color

[buoyant granite]

So have the runs that have been transferred over to the new leaderboards been retimed yet?

[narrow snow]

Well i guess this will do… 2 hour 11 minute play session and i got 1 hour 53 minutes of footage.

And i got screwed hard with ratau. I lost two game before winning and he won the second game off his last roll

[grim bolt]

why is Talone's time in current patch? wasn't it in 1.10?

[modest stratus]

we working on it

[buoyant granite]

wait yeah the golden fleece is uncapped

aight

[grim bolt]

ah okay, ty ty

work faster

aaaaah

jk jk

take your time bois, just wanted to know

[blazing forum]

you wanna come verify things manually?

only takes an hour+ per run

[buoyant granite]

after the retime of hayu's run, how much time was added onto the run?

[grim bolt]

well, I did applied so, I would if I was verified, but seems like nahg

also, I said I was kidding, mister "you wanna do it?"

[blazing forum]

tbh we could use more people LOL

but it's not up to me

[grim bolt]

and I was talking about the records not showing the correct information, but steve said they are working on it

[verbal violet]

To people currently running + mods verifying good luck and have fun to all of you.

Also hi, figured I'd pop in the chat because after my casual playthrough I'll probably try out some speedrunning eventually.

[blazing forum]

it's a good speedrun game

[verbal violet]

From what I've played it probably converts well to a speedrun, very interested to see the creativity in catagories

[blazing forum]

aaaaaaaaah I'm going to do another run

I shouldn't but I'm going to LOL

going too fast so things spawn in AFTER you clear the room

and then getting hit by it

is so tilting 😦

[verbal violet]

Good luck, I've got like 10+ speedgames to do stuff in but I'm definitely gonna get to this one hopefully

Gotta casually finish first tho of course, lol

[bright patrol]

so I highly doubt this has any relevance to the run but during an attempt I found out the very first room you get sacrificed in can have room modifiers on it.

okay it wasn't random. I checked and the last path I was on before resetting my run before this had that same modifier

[halcyon grove]

that might be useful for the later rooms actually

[bright patrol]

it went away as soon as I went to the next area

[halcyon grove]

oh, that sucks

[bright patrol]

I mean it might be useful if you grab double damage while doing a hard mode run to break the rocks faster?

[halcyon grove]

true

thats less than a second of time save though

and you still have to set it up which would take some time

[bright patrol]

I'm just throwing out any way to possibly make this useful

[halcyon grove]

still an interesting discovery

modifier storage

[bright patrol]

Makes me wonder how the game stores that modifier

also makes me wonder if anything else can be carried over like that to a brand new run

[fierce tangle]

Guys, the autosplitter loaded from the splits editor splits two times on the ending of the title video, anyone knows why?

After the dialogue where oww gives you the crown I get 2 splits

[blazing forum]

try turning off the title video ends checkbox and lmk what happens

just quick debug things

Like, is there still a split? No split?

I'll try it too real quick

[fierce tangle]

Ok, tried to remove the title video ends

And now it splits correctly

[blazing forum]

like...it still splits there?

[fierce tangle]

Yep

[blazing forum]

that's weird, doesn't do that on my end

[fierce tangle]

After the red crown I have a split with Title video ends disabled

Wait

Ok, I am dumb

Was sure I removed the old autosplitter, seems like I closed it without pressing "ok"

[blazing forum]

ah

[modest stratus]

mods got it\

[weak pike]

Check recycle Bin?

Did you delete the file?

Yeah should just be in your recycle bin

Someone mentioned a newer version so I think not, I still have the old one. As I'm sure others do too

[thick elk]

How it is rn with current patch speedrun? Cuz they capped golden fleece at 200%, while the wr rn is without the cap

[buoyant granite]

Still needs to be verified, but we believe the fastest run across all patches is on current patch

Theoretically there should be a faster run on 1.0.11 if that's the case

But optimal routing is still not finalised

[wheat trout]

I can stream several games just fine with obs, this is an oddball issue that most peeps dont run into it seems, only had it with one other game before and I just found out how I fixed it back then so whew

Limit capture framerate gotta be ticket when using uncapped fps ingame for some reason

something along those lines anyway

runs well now so 👍

[buoyant granite]

does anyone know what the time difference between the old and new version of the autosplitter is?

cause i need to know what time im targeting as all the old wr runs are on old timer

[modest stratus]

new adds stuff and improves stuff

old is well.. old

[buoyant granite]

yeah no i get that, i just wanna know what the time difference on average in minutes or seconds or whatever it is

cause our previous expectations of what a wr time is is based on the old timer

[little willow]

Probably impossible to say

like you'd have to do a tas run with old and new splitter to know what the t ime difference is

[buoyant granite]

so wait we just dont know what wr is anymore then?

[little willow]

someone got a low 1.10 iirc

[buoyant granite]

yeah i saw someone get a 1:10:07 or something

but again thats on old timer

[little willow]

yeah so how can we know what their time would be

on new timer

c:

[buoyant granite]

well thats what im sayin

[little willow]

it's not possible to know 100%

you can specualte

that's about it

[buoyant granite]

i mean i just wanted to know if we were talking like 10 seconds difference or 10 minutes

[warped breach]

I think it's around 6/7 min

[wheat trout]

wait but was autosplitter fundamentally changed? why would there be a time difference

I thought it only got livesplit integration

[buoyant granite]

no they changed what the autosplitter counted as loads

so itll be ticking for more of the black screen segments that are more of just fadein/fadeout sections

[wheat trout]

oh shit so the fade animation talk is

yeah I see

[buoyant granite]

im assuming we cant use the old one for the time being so we have a 1:1 comparison of times right?

[wheat trout]

ah shit

here we go

[rancid dust]

new version pause timer only on loading screens and not on transitions between rooms

[little willow]

Is Kallamar just the dumbest boss ever, i think he is c:

[wheat trout]

for me shamura takes that cake

I can definitely see both sides tho

[little willow]

the amount of mobs and attacks

jesus christ man chill

[wheat trout]

yeee

[little willow]

and the instant dagger attack

rip % stacks

[wheat trout]

thing is tho, squiddy boy feels more consistent to me

shamura feels all over the place

[buoyant granite]

but like roughly around 6 mins right?

[rancid dust]

@copper trout @dull horizon ok, I think we don't need to pause timer on title video and quote screens, so retiming videos would be pretty easy, and those screens not depends on runners hardware

[rancid dust]

about 6 minutes yes

[buoyant granite]

ok cool

[copper trout]

nice

[rancid dust]

and I think that we can change the rules to start timer on select "New game" and stops on select Accept to be sacrificed

what do you think?

no reason to wait for Credits screen in fact, you can't control anything after accepting sacrifice

[buoyant granite]

is there a way for us to retime our old runs to see what they would be in the new format?

[rancid dust]

I think this will add couple of seconds to already done runs, I've made script to count loading time, but it need to be testes on different runs

[buoyant granite]

wait i thought you said it was gonna add around 6 minutes to runs?

[rancid dust]

this is for transitions, and couple of seconds if we start timer on selecting "New game"

[buoyant granite]

aaahh i see ok

@autumn niche do you have your 1:10:01 uploaded somewhere? i would love to watch if possible

[rustic shell]

any1 has de animation cancel guide? I can't find the vid
Edit: nvm i found it, linking in case anyone missed it back when it came out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPB2Nox7yqg

[rancid dust]

@copper trout @dull horizon what I propose it the start timing that looks like this:

1. Timer starts on "New save" selection.
2. Quote screens don't pause the timer.
3. Video after getting crown don't pause the timer.
4. Timer ends on accepting sacrifice.

[calm peak]

Shouldn't the speedruns get removed until they're verified with the new timer

[copper trout]

yeah lemme do that rq

there, board is empty 😄

I'm going to make a quick video for mods and community to show how we verify

[lyric valley]

Guessing these runs are going be changing frequently with all the patches and updates whats the best time currently ?

[fierce tangle]

Oh, so that's why I lose time in the intro section... Thought I was becoming older!

[copper trout]

there's a red crown load right after this, before you can see control of the lamb, would it be posible to have time start when that red crown disappears?

[rancid dust]

You mean where the first Quote screen appears right after short loading? Sure I can make timer starts there. But why don't you like starting timer on hitting "New Save"? Technically it's the first player input )

[copper trout]

it's easier to retime by a specific frame. I have no way of seeing the input when I'm using the frame timer

[rancid dust]

it's pretty easy to see - the color of "New save" label starts to fade to black (compare):

[copper trout]

and then we're depending on PC hardware to load from there

and we're removing loads anyways?

doesn't really make sense to time a loading screen anyways, right?

[rancid dust]

first short load will be removed of course, but fade to black animations are fixed time and not depends on hardware

if it's easy to check run on start after first short loading screen I can make it so

[copper trout]

I guess that's fair? It just feels like adding however many frames to the run before the run even starts

like I get what you're saying

[rancid dust]

ah, my point here to start the run on first player input and end it on last player input

[copper trout]

but it would be time > pause > go

but yeah Same can be said when I was thinking of ending the run

[rancid dust]

if you use GameTime - yes, RealTime would count from last to end input anyways, so you can compare how much loading screens you've got

[copper trout]

yeah true

[rancid dust]

I think it's a good starting point, but I won't insist

[copper trout]

I'll re-record that part of my video instruction then rq. I'm doing "how to remove load times" now

but yeah, your method makes sense, as long as we can find the specific frame when those inputs happen

[rancid dust]

I'll checking right now if this is harder to detect with button mashing in main menu

[copper trout]

yeah, cause otherwise it's easier to name a frame when we know the game is running through animations

[rancid dust]

Phew, finally made a split for "Accept sacrifice" choice, it was pretty challenging! Split at the exact moment the choice dialog starts to disappear:

[rancid dust]

yeah, mashing buttons in Main Menu totally screws up a valid way to detect clicking on "New save", so it's safer to start timer at first frame of the first Quote screen, right after after short loading (first black frame)

[wheat trout]

so will this be the new endpoint for runs? since it's the last player input iirc

[rancid dust]

I hope so, if @copper trout and other mods don't mind, I think this is perfect point to stop the timer

[copper trout]

cool, and I'll do what you're saying for the choice

[rancid dust]

and this is pretty easy to retime videos by hands, first black frame - timer starts, skip all frames with red crown, stop when Accept sacrifice confirmation dialog starts to disappear

[copper trout]

yeah I like this

though will it work if ppl decide to fight TOWW?

[rancid dust]

There is another split for defeating TOWW "The One Who Waits defeated for the first time"

[copper trout]

oh nice

[rancid dust]

good for 100% runs I guess, but I didn't test this extensively, will do after final updates for Any%

[copper trout]

back to verifying this run

[autumn niche]

https://youtu.be/bPaMHax66Zw here it is

[little willow]

so apperantly u can softlock if u kill ur last follower in the last caves lmao

[little willow]

wait do random softlocks just happen or what

legit the room im in turns red and nothing happens

just the dark music starts and nothing happens lol

[rancid dust]

AUTOSPLITTER UPDATE 27.08.2022

Changelog:

• Timer starts on first frame of the first quote screen.
• Default end time moved to moment where player accepts to kneel before the final boss.
• Loading screens with red crown icon will pause timer.
• Room transitions, quote screens and title video won't pause timer anymore.

You should restart LiveSplit and probably need to Deactivate and Activate ASL again from "Splits Editor" window, then check Settings:

• "End credits begins" should be turned off.
• "Kneel before The One Who Waits" should be turned on.
  PS. You also may use "Reset to Default" in Settings window to reset settings to default ASL state.

@copper trout

[split saddle]

thanks this is a cool vid

[verbal violet]

Are there any known plans to implement IGT in the game in the future? Just curious, would be pretty huge to have.

[blazing forum]

@rancid dust while updating it is nice, if we keep changing the rules then we'll never have a board. We need to actually choose one and stick to it.

[rancid dust]

I think Any% is done for now, next is add splits for 100%

I think we need splits like all Tarot cards collected, all locations unlocked and so on

[verbal violet]

Wouldn't it be possible for people to do certain 100% related things in a different order from others? Just curious

[rancid dust]

splits are isolated, they works in any order you trigger them

intendent order is set in "Splits Editor" as you want

[verbal violet]

Nice, just curious if a 100% run could ever change drastically enough between attempts so that certain splits may be completed before others in some runs but not in all runs

But I guess maybe that's not a thing for this game

[rancid dust]

there is no way in LiveSplit right now to dynamically change list of splits during run

you can change them manually by "undo split" / "make split" actions and editing splits, but idk if anyone do this during run )

[verbal violet]

Yeah so auto splits for 100% might be a little weird

[rancid dust]

anyway, I'll try to add splits that will make sense

[verbal violet]

Yea I've never really thought about how to manage that for a roguelite. I've ran some heavy rng games but they're so quick that they don't really have splits

[narrow snow]

You are correct. Gather devotion is the longest part it would make the most since to have be the marker for splits.

[blazing forum]

are we sure that's the longest part? not getting all follower forms?

but yeah, still definitely a long one

[narrow snow]

You take ritual of enrichment and easily buy everything out at the end. I had everything unlocked except for one or two more devotions.

And yeah 100% is very fast and loose with what we do.

[verbal violet]

It's just for the short rng based games I've played splits are near impossible because you constantly change the order you do things on circumstance

[narrow snow]

Exactly

[blazing forum]

ah, I see. Devotion will almost always be a set pace, so they're probably good markers

[narrow snow]

Yeah. The entire run is basically just trying to increase your devotion generation and then running of to grab stuff and return before it caps. I basically always start my crusades just before night since followers will be sleeping instead of praying.

[verbal violet]

I'm interested to see what shorter catagories can exist, like maybe Sacrifice% or Tailsman%

[blazing forum]

die%

not that short?

it's my favorite category 😦

[verbal violet]

I'm not sure how interesting Sacrifice% would be but I think Tailsman% has some merit

[dull horizon]

i mean you just do what you do in any%

[verbal violet]

Do you get a fleece in any%? I still haven't finished the game, working on that, lol

[blazing forum]

I would think so

[wheat trout]

welcome back

[verbal violet]

I'd assume any% is just slam 20 people into a cult and whack stuff but ig it is probably more in depth than that lol

[blazing forum]

any% is get golden fleece so you can wack stuff really hard, then slam 20 into a cult while wacking stuff really hard

[verbal violet]

Ah ok

[wheat trout]

it is just that but before you get to any whacking you have to break your keyboard mashing dodge to shave off seconds in the beginning

[verbal violet]

Based on just what I know it feels like getting a fleece wouldn't be worth but I'm guessing there's other faster ways of obtaining a tailsman than I've found

[wheat trout]

yeah you fool the game to tp to midas' cave before you actually unlock it

goodbye followers hello golden fleece

[blazing forum]

you don't even fool the game, it's just a silly bug

it's more of a "whoops we didn't disable the button please don't click it"

[wheat trout]

I still feel guilty when I do it

[blazing forum]

which is just so funny to me lol

[verbal violet]

Oh ok, so NMG would be what I described then?

[blazing forum]

p much

NMG current patch

in 1.0.11 you'd just get fleece a different way ( 1-2 fish + 1-2 fox + first sozo)

[verbal violet]

Also any hope for NG+ individual area runs or is that just not really worth having?

[blazing forum]

not atm, but there's a thread on speedrun.com for category extensions and whatnot

[verbal violet]

I'd assume you could just make it into a level leaderboard with subcatagories for each area but yea makes sense

[blazing forum]

reminder that I'm not a mod on speedrun.com, just a verifier ;P

also, more to the point, ARE WE FINISHED WITH THE TIMING RULES?

I'd love to start reverifying and retiming but this is like the 3rd time we've changed this

[verbal violet]

Does the run not start at creating a new file

[blazing forum]

not quite, but it's more of stuff like 'what load screen times are we removing'

[verbal violet]

I mean I think anything where it's loading and you aren't actively playing anything would fit the removal description but idk

[blazing forum]

ok, so

the red crown loads being removed always made sense. But what about room transitions?

what about the red quote text? That's skippable, so the speed at which you go through it is a skill

what about the title cutscene?

does it end on credits or last input?

[verbal violet]

Room transitions are treated as loads in most other speedgames so it would make sense to remove them

You aren't playing while the transition is occuring

[blazing forum]

ok, so let me know when you've got the time to manually remove 350+ room transitions down to the millisecond

per run

[verbal violet]

Oh you guys don't have a load remover set up yet

[blazing forum]

also, why remove something if it's the same amount of time for everyone?

if it was computer dependent (like load screens) then removing makes sense

[verbal violet]

Wait are room transitions entirely consistent?

Because then that's a fair point yea

[blazing forum]

the entirety of a combat node is loaded at once

[verbal violet]

Yea no reason to remove them then I guess

[blazing forum]

yeah, that's why things have been changing lol

But once we actually finish deciding, we can REALLY get to verifying and retiming and getting stuff up on the leaderboard

and it's not really a mod decision. The leaderboard is owned by the community, so it's a community decision

you can see in #🎤・src-announcements the current thoughts

so it starts on the first frame of the first red quote text, remove specifically the red crown loading screens (which are the ones you see between nodes for example), and ends on last input (which is the last 'yes' to kneel to TOWW)

[verbal violet]

I guess that's fair

[blazing forum]

so it doesn't remove red quote text nor the short fade to black screens

nor title screen, it seems

[verbal violet]

If they're consistent then makes sense

[blazing forum]

the quotes and title screens can be skipped

But because of that, player inputs matter and is therefore part of the speedrun

imo

the short fade to black screens seem to be programmed to last for a specific period of time for everyone (esp. since they don't ACTUALLY load anything), so we count those since it adds the same amount of time for everyone

red loading screens are super inconsistent and can add a decent amount of time depending on what nodes you get. Battle nodes are ~4s load times, but stuff like stone nodes are .5s. We remove those from the time

and they are dependent on computer

I think it's p good as we have it now, tbh

[verbal violet]

Yeah that all makes sense

[blazing forum]

wassup

you don't. verifiers do

but you should use the autosplitter

please make my job easier :V

ty

There will be people who can't (cough console players cough) so we'll still need to retime those manually

[verbal violet]

A lot of games just separate console boards from PC boards and this is probably the #1 reason why

[blazing forum]

I mean, tbh what you should do is use the autosplitter and just get a PB so we can just put no timer on your previous run

[blazing forum]

tbh the biggest reason to separate them is that consoles can't do early midas

that requires M&K

[little willow]

that is a huge deal too actually

[blazing forum]

early midas is optimally like a 8-9m save

it's p big

[verbal violet]

Yeah so maybe a separate console board without load removal just makes sense

[blazing forum]

It's that big because you get it a solid 4 runs earlier AND it's quicker to get

[blazing forum]

again, I'm not a mod. I can't change anything LOL

[little willow]

i'd recomend doing RTA for console if that's gonna be a thing

[blazing forum]

I verify runs and help people out whenever possible

[little willow]

but then there's the whole new gen consoles vs old gen

[blazing forum]

yeah

and switch vs literally any other console LOL

[little willow]

console always get's the short end of the stick when it comes to speedruns these days and theres actually 0 way to help them lol

[verbal violet]

Well that's why you specify your platform

[blazing forum]

but our current thing only removes red screens, which only takes 30-45m per run

[little willow]

right but then u want

[verbal violet]

If someone wanted to see the fastest Switch run just search fof it

[blazing forum]

which isn't bad

[little willow]

5 diferent boards?

[blazing forum]

yeah, that's what I was thinking, Ouija

[little willow]

like one for each console seems monkaS

[blazing forum]

yeppers

[verbal violet]

No you can have 1 console board, but the runners specify their version, it's a modifier I think

I forgot the name src calls it

[little willow]

well yeah i get that

[blazing forum]

as long as it's shown what you played it on it's fine imo

wassup petre

technically longer

[little willow]

but it's still gonna be ps5 or xbox series X in the top unless u filter

[blazing forum]

you remove less things

uhhh, depends which autosplitter you used to have

[verbal violet]

Yeah well, that's just how it is, you gotta filter to see the best Switch time and all

That just happens

[blazing forum]

if it was the other one that comes with livesplit then it's like <1m more. probably like 10s

[little willow]

i mean like i said, consoles always gonna get the short end of the stick regardless

[blazing forum]

if it was the one that removes the small fade times then it's like 5m LOL

[verbal violet]

Oh yea it's just how it works with multiplatform games

PC will always be the dominant and most used method to run the game but it's kinda really really hard to change that

[blazing forum]

I'd have to actually retime it, but something like that yeah

lemme actually go check

[little willow]

is there a reason we dont just delete the runs on the boards rn

and start again with the new timer

or make them legacy

something along those lines

oh did they get deleted actually LMAO

wait so

[blazing forum]

they did not get deleted, just unverified

[little willow]

i feel like people should just do runs with new timer then no?

[blazing forum]

I would like that, tbh

[little willow]

wouldnt that make it 100x easier for mods

i mean it's super early days

[blazing forum]

oh, sick run petre

[little willow]

no shot we've optimized the game enough yet

[blazing forum]

1:18 isn't slow LOL

[verbal violet]

PC runs can choose to require the load remover or, if you don't use it, your time will be submitted as RTA

[blazing forum]

oh this is old AS

so more like 1:23 or so

[little willow]

like

would peopel mind doing new runs with the timer really

[blazing forum]

bro my pb is 1:28 RT lol

[little willow]

just for the sake of the mods lmao

i doubt people couldnt optimize their current run

[blazing forum]

I keep messing up the current route 😦

I'm like 3m slower than you atm

remove ~10m if you want old AS times

always more to optimize!

one of my favorite parts of the speedrun tbh

[little willow]

follower skip is a lot easier with d pad i found

[blazing forum]

is that the optimizations aren't "do the same thing but faster" but "figure out how to do combat better"

really? just hold left and mash?

[little willow]

oh wait

i meant

follower duping

mbmb

[blazing forum]

OH

yeah agreed for that

hold down and mash

I'm going to commission a LambertMash emote

[little willow]

it's pretty "free" once u use d pad honestly c:

[blazing forum]

should it be animated or nah?

[little willow]

PLS YES LMAO

[blazing forum]

nah just mash even harder

it's super consistent when you mash stupidly hard

lemme check my presses/s

[little willow]

i still have to actually get good at dodging the enemies

feel like im baiting myself being too aggro half the time and i lose my gold fleece stacks

[blazing forum]

69/10s is my current

heh, 69

and yeah, that's the main problem most people have

[little willow]

also i still am to understand what the fk the red frog mobs hitbox is LOL

[blazing forum]

uh

I'd like to make sure that's legal

[little willow]

i dont think u can even bind other actions can u?

[blazing forum]

if you have to use an outside program to do so I'd say no

[little willow]

i tried rebinding controller actions and couldnt

at least not in settings

[blazing forum]

yeah, but you can just switch to M&K partway through

[little willow]

not for controller at least

[blazing forum]

and keyboard can totally be rebound

[little willow]

idk about kbm

ah i see

[blazing forum]

keyboard can be

[little willow]

wait u run on kbm Petre?

[blazing forum]

but most games don't let you rebind to scroll

[little willow]

huh

[verbal violet]

I'm definitely gonna wait a little bit to run anyways and just practice to let the chaos of new speedgame die down a bit

[little willow]

may i ask why c:

[blazing forum]

idk lol

[little willow]

no i meant why kbm running LUL

huh

interesting

[blazing forum]

you can actually go too fast on a scrollwheel for your computer to recognize lol

[little willow]

feel like movement is confined on kbm no?

like wasd is just d pad controls basically

i'd go insane i think lmao

but i guess if u started with it

it's no big deal

[blazing forum]

it definitely changes combat a bit

tbh I don't think there's anything it does faster

[little willow]

on controller imo

[blazing forum]

MAYBE follower recruitment 🤔

[little willow]

more fluent movement

[blazing forum]

since you can just over accept and mash

[little willow]

yes but also no

i tried that

[blazing forum]

You switch to M&K for it

[little willow]

u can go down with d pad before the accept button is shown

[blazing forum]

you can just click on the mouse and it switches to it

[little willow]

so it's like at best .1 seconds faster on mouse c:

[blazing forum]

yeppers

[little willow]

but yeah teleport skip we just use mouse

i mean up to u

if u dont like the feel of it i get it

but i feel like u would get more smooth movement

in terms of combat

obviously im saying this while having 0 time LMAO

and not even having seen urs

so take it all with a grain of salt

it's just my immediate thoughts

i was just surprised people actually went for kbm c:

[blazing forum]

just run with what you feel most comfortable with

[wheat trout]

I'm definitely considering switching to controller cause combat kinda kicking my ass rn

[blazing forum]

yeah if you're struggling on combat, it's WAY easier to be precise w/ a controller in it

because you have analog inputs

[wheat trout]

aye

one thing I'm confused on, does mouse placement matter?

[blazing forum]

for what

[wheat trout]

like is there actual aiming in this game

[wheat trout]

if Im next to an enemy but I hover my mouse on the opposite side of them will the attack not hit them, for instance

[blazing forum]

IDK

It's not super consistent i've found

I've heard about 'consistent follower skip' being holding left and slightly down, which would only be on controller

[wheat trout]

cause atm im used to games where the direction of your aim is just the direction where you're facing