💨・speedrunning

[barren summit]

I noticed pretty quickly, but I guess not everybody did

[lean girder]

What you guys mean Kallamari sucks?

He's the easiest of them all, he simply does not attack

[scarlet karma]

we need a category for getting a poop follower as fast as possible imo

[barren summit]

As Shovel said, sometimes he doesn't attack and just throws followers at you. Sometimes he immediately pulls out the grenade and spams fire projectiles.

[shadow smelt]

Sword curse saves my attempts at speeding him every time because of this, ok it's rng but helps to keep an eye out for it in anchordeep

[halcyon grove]

sorry i was afk

yeah i forgot about the fisherman

[haughty cargo]

assuming for any% you don’t even use fisherman

[grim bolt]

this is my pb

https://clips.twitch.tv/InnocentScaryUdonKappa-AF7JiY7mv7VMnqKg also take a look at this cutscene skip I got for leshy in DW

[lean girder]

Weird

[haughty cargo]

@halcyon grove my brains fried but yeah, glitchless easy should basically be easy to cut down on time so long as people are willing on resetting for rng after a few months of submissions

medium will probably just tackle on another few minutes to that and then so on and so forth since gold fleece is the entire run

[lean girder]

The fish RNG is fucking me up constantly

It's such a run killer

[haughty cargo]

the safe strat is just 1 fish, 1 sac, fox and shroom

bc you do the 1 fish and fox as soon as you beat leshy, immediately start Hekets area and then once you get access to it 1 sac to fox and then shrooms so youre gauranteed fleece by the 35ish minute mark at worst

[lean girder]

yeah Ik but it's the 4th time that not a single rare fish drops to me

making me bonkers already

[haughty cargo]

good god, I am so sorry

[lean girder]

gotta change my seed on the steam app

like you do in gambling websites

cause shesh mine's broken

[haughty cargo]

lol used to do that on mobile gacha games

was like shit luck ill just reset the seed bc surely thatll help

but ye, best of luck :) I definitely think you're capable of keeping a top time so long as you keep putting in the grind

[lean girder]

thanks, hope I'm strong enough

gotta sacrifice some to please the RNG God

[solid pine]

Has anyone done a 100% run already? I would love to see that

[north birch]

I'm super curious how long something like that would take

[jade stump]

For any%, I have seen a lot of glitches and looked at the route. I am actually more curious about the strategies within the runs themselves. I assume we rush Golden Fleece, go for hitless to maximize resources. Do we manage hunger with fasting? Grass eater? Do we do mushroom ritual? Do we grab or skip tarot cards? What are the weapon/curse tier lists? Guides for that aspect of the run are what are really interesting to me.

[narrow snow]

They literally blitz the dungeons and dont bother with the cult

[jade stump]

Nice

[halcyon grove]

the most you do with the cult is indoctrenate members, but even then most followers are queued up because its faster

you can go like 3 hours without managing your cult at all

100% requires more management i assume

[narrow snow]

As for 100%. Ive been working on it. Its a looong run. doctrines force it to be a minimum of 3 hours. And its all about managing the cult

Grinding Devotion is the most important thing.

[jade stump]

So I assume getting zealous weapons into the pool early is important for that

[narrow snow]

Yes they should be. Ive been slowly chunking through it im currently on day 27 and i still have 15 things to unlock in the cult tree. All there bishops are dead i just need two more eyes

[halcyon grove]

how are recipes going?

[narrow snow]

Like blueprints? They’re not bad you should grab them whenever you get a chance. Theres a good number of them. You just end up needing so much devotion you have a lot if time to grind things out.

[halcyon grove]

thats a good point

is it even possible to get all the rituals? or are you only able to get half of them

[narrow snow]

You can not. Most rituals are unlocked by doctrines and depending on which doctrine chooses which ritual.

[halcyon grove]

that sucks

[cyan viper]

so after the new update if you spam too much on the clear reward screen it may send you smugglers sanctuary instead of the next level

run

[narrow snow]

Its fine, most rituals get ignored any way. If we dont want to ignore one we get it. But we basically just use resurrection, sacrifice, and ascend a lot. We use a mind control kinda early, a marriage when we feel like it, and an ocean’s bounty at some point. Ritual fast is good in a pinch. glory though toil and rite of enlightenment can help with devotion.

[halcyon grove]

damn

what a different world from any%

[narrow snow]

Yeah any% is all about getting through the dungeon as quick as possible. 100% is basically an rts game.

[halcyon grove]

lmao

[vestal terrace]

about how long do we estimate for 100%?

[narrow snow]

I want to say like 5 hours but its really hard for me to be sure. My recordings have worked and ive been doing this run over a few days. I want to say ive done 4 hour of this run so far but im honestly not sure.

And in game time is useless on console. It says 13 hours. Which my other file thats 70 days longer is only one hour longer.

[halcyon grove]

you could probably talk to the src mods about that

[narrow snow]

Im not too worried about. The game is pretty unstable on console in general. Like it freezes for several seconds at the start of every day. Right now im just gathering experience working on my guide.

[north birch]

Well this was a huge bummer, I had wr pace on a run and somehow the game froze and crashed in the middle of the animation of me picking up the heart for Heket

[autumn niche]

On PC the game softlocks if you get hit while collecting a boss heart

Maybe this happened to you, but on console the game just crashes

[north birch]

I know, but this was like a hard freeze/crash that I got the funny crash error popup

[buoyant granite]

when killing leshy and any of the other bishops, is it just the blueprint for the trophy that we need to pick up to be let out of the door or do we need both?

[autumn niche]

Just the trophy blueprint

But after Leshy you can teleport out of the room using omnipresence

There's no need to collect the rewards

[buoyant granite]

aah yeah true

[grim bolt]

Fixed issue where spider trader doesn’t have a follower for sale in dungeon if purchased in the base (fix was not in 1.0.10)
speedrun strat has been fixed, easier to get all 20 followers

[modest stratus]

hopefully we can crack down on runs soon

[autumn niche]

If they could fix the issue where the cocoons in SC sometimes take an eternity to hatch even after defeating all mobs in the room I would be so happy

[grim bolt]

that's a fixed timing calculated on the type of mobs in the tile

like, if you have to fight big spider with tons of health, the cocoon will take longer than when the tile has only smol spider

[spare osprey]

for anyone who ran the newest update, have the game black screened at the first enemy room after doing cutscene skip?

[autumn niche]

I meant the ones on the ceiling

[grim bolt]

that's what I meant too

[autumn niche]

Ok now I'm sad 😦

[copper trout]

going through some runs today and verifying rq

big tip; if you use the pinned auto split, it'll get approved a lot faster

otherwise we gotta count frames for IGT

[calm peak]

Here's a link for my new best time https://youtu.be/NNQep7npTwA forgot to send it yesterday

[modest stratus]

Stop sending runs out the wazoo

[copper trout]

more runs plskthx

xD

[calm peak]

Lol

I've started to use autosplitter now

[modest stratus]

Yayy

Cant wait till its a finished product. Amen @rancid dust

[rancid dust]

yep, working on that, moving your code to one ASL file to support Demo, but my main job is taking some time too )

[modest stratus]

Fair nough, people have lives, marshmallows dont

@copper trout
Im still wondering why demo wont work if you have the actual game downloaded

[copper trout]

I dunno, I didn't code anything for MM lol

I just make sure comunity is happy

[modest stratus]

True

[rancid dust]

yeah, I'm using second Steam account to make it work

[hearty vapor]

the leaderboards are ordered by in game time???

should just be real time without loads, no need to even display the other columns

[dull horizon]

i think rta without loads is fine but agreed we dont need in-game time displayed

[dense sedge]

I mean, rta without loads is a giant point of any autosplitter

[north birch]

Oh cool I'll start using an autosplitter then if that's the case and makes it faster to get verified

[dense sedge]

Autosplitters are just nice in general to make things easier for you, definitely recommend it

[livid basin]

Yeah, and this game has some pretty long load times, about 10 mins in total

[dull horizon]

definitely not useless

a lot of games that time loadless also have time with loads visible on the leaderboards

just a good way to visualize the load time differences between players

makes it really obvious why you'd time loadless for newer players, avoids repetitive questions and answers

[livid basin]

I'd say the ordering rn is the hot topic. RTA w/o loads should be the determined factor. rn it is in game time, which is only shown in savefile

(and it only shows hours and mins, no (milli)seconds)

[dense sedge]

Agreed. I support having all three times for posterity, but the sorting should be done according to RTA without loads

[livid basin]

So I'd argue eleotan's in game time is wrong, if that is what we are looking at¨(since savefile doesn't include secs and millisecs)

[hearty vapor]

i also just put my time w/o loads into game time

it's just not needed

[livid basin]

I think it could be something "good to know", but shouldn't be mandatory

and it seems that savefile's times includes loadtimes

[dull horizon]

yeah i know

i dont think igt should show at all

[barren summit]

[lean girder]

Also, aren't the leaderboards going to separate Any% from Glitchless/NMG?

[livid basin]

Soon ™️

hopefully

[calm peak]

I think they are going to add it i want a NMG category

[lean girder]

I hope so cause I don't plan on doing Any% with MG lol

[livid basin]

You can submit those on any% board or bank the runs when the NMG opens

[lean girder]

I submitted one to the Any% but yeah my next ones I'm gonna bank

[north birch]

Wow I think one of my runs really really cursed nly got claws once and every other run since was either hammer or the dagger to start. Never saw another one even with the rooms spawning more weapons it was just hammer or dagger and occasionally the sword.

[river crescent]

i think daggers fine tbh

can agree on hammer sucking dirt

[buoyant granite]

pretty happy with my first full completed run, two stupid deaths in both Silk Cradle and Anura as well as a couple of minutes not getting TP glitch for whatever reason, could easily chase a sub 1:20, potentially push a 1:10 with a bit more practice too

[copper trout]

@lean girder I'm looking into a way to make a poll and see if enough people are interested in running NMG more than once or a few times

[hearty vapor]

i was on this pace

and my graphics card driver crashed

hehe

i'm never buying

AMD again

[north birch]

They are, but losing fleece buff is extremely painful since otherwise dagger does nothing lol

[hearty vapor]

just the 5th hit of dagger feels super weird

[north birch]

Yeah it's super slow

[hearty vapor]

i'm always making sure i only hit 4 times max

[north birch]

It's almost as slow as a hammer hit

[lean girder]

dude WTF happened

suddenly while I was going to Shamura boss fight ALL OF THEM died in an instant

holy shit

[livid basin]

Corona
BOTTOM TEXT

Possibly starved to death

[grim bolt]

I believe these 3 values of "time with loads" "time without loads" "in game time" is a little confusing, why not leave it just with in game time counted as the split final value?

[livid basin]

Or just "Time without loads"

oh wait

im dumb

[grim bolt]

whichever name but just submit the splitter final value

[livid basin]

Yeah, agreed

Let's do that and win at life

[autumn niche]

I agree

[grim bolt]

maybe they will also expect the delta unix value

[autumn niche]

Yep. I misunderstood the values when uploading the run. It may be something like 1h23m in game time, I'll check it soon

[vestal terrace]

what's the difference between real time without loads and in-game time?

[livid basin]

In game time includes loads and is counted by the game

can be found on a save file

[vestal terrace]

ok

follow up question, why is eleotan's realtime without loads and in game time the same?

[autumn niche]

As I said, I misunderstood the values

I'll correct it as soon as I can

[vestal terrace]

oh my bad I didn't read that lol

but isn't it the mods job to make sure something like that doesn't happen?

[copper trout]

yeah we're backed up with a ton of runs so we'll try to help correct times as we can

tbh the time that matters is time without loads

[vestal terrace]

unless I'm misreading this it seems to be organized by in-game time actually

[livid basin]

How much runs have been submitted thus far?

[copper trout]

there's 12 in review right now

[livid basin]

Let's up it by one. Gonna run some Medium Any% Kappa

[copper trout]

do it, you won't

Kappa

[vestal terrace]

if without loads was what matters Talone would be number 1

[livid basin]

I'd say Talone should be numbah 1 atm

[grim bolt]

Talone n1 kappa

[dull horizon]

because those are two different things

[vestal terrace]

true, but what I'm saying is it doesn't seem to be organized by without loads

[dull horizon]

i think we should ignore in game time since its basically irrelevant to how we measure the time

[livid basin]

yes

[dull horizon]

not my choice though

[livid basin]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-giga-chad-chad-gif-23788137

[grim bolt]

and time with load because, why do we care to compare?

[copper trout]

fixed

[livid basin]

It could be fun extra info, but basically irrelevant

[vestal terrace]

ty Cinaeth

[grim bolt]

ty Cinaeth

[dull horizon]

i like this a lot more

[copper trout]

I apologize if I'm slow to getting the board to be correct, especially soon. I'm starting college so I will be in ghost town here soon

why I'm trying to get experienced mods in first and then hopefully train new ones when they got time

[vestal terrace]

I feel you I just started my semester yesterday

[copper trout]

whatchu learnin?

[vestal terrace]

comp sci

[grim bolt]

I can't feel yah anymore, i werk

[copper trout]

nice

[grim bolt]

Cinaeth, what are you learning?

[narrow snow]

In game time is broken on consoles.

[autumn niche]

My previous pb was 1:26 w/o loads and 1:28 in game time. My new pb is 1:15 w/o loads and 1:22 in game time. So yea, in game time is irrelevant

[copper trout]

film and video editing

[hearty vapor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/LightSneakyArtichokeAsianGlow-OdQPwQREjK_NnXbP

how the fk did i get soft locked here

[haughty cargo]

wtf

Ive never seen that

[barren summit]

Shovel got modded

MonkaS

[dull horizon]

lmfaoooooo

[dull horizon]

yessir

da goat fr

[barren summit]

When do I get my verifier status

[halcyon grove]

theres an application on the src forums

[barren summit]

Which I submitted last week

PepeHands

[dull horizon]

it took me a week

[barren summit]

They'll get to it, I know. I'm just anxious about it.

I'm pretty sure I submitted mine as soon as it got posted in here.

Should I submit again?

[dull horizon]

probably not? afaik they've gone through every application

just gotta discuss who is best for the role

if something has changed to where your application is inaccurate (or your original was inaccurate from the get go, i had to resubmit bc i had a mistake) then yeah youre free to submit

also idk if thats leaking monkas

[livid basin]

It went so poorly. So poorly it isn't even funny... Why do I play this game where I suck at?

I got so many unnecessary hits, I tilted, I should have reseted

I died so many times

[halcyon grove]

my first run on easy was 3 and a half hours, dont feel too bad

[dull horizon]

everyone starts somewhere

you get better as you play

dw

is the medium route any different?

[livid basin]

I could have beaten this perhaps under 2 hours, but I got fricking softlocked...

[dull horizon]

i'd imagine the extra sermons might be best

[dull horizon]

sadge

[livid basin]

and then I got crap

[halcyon grove]

any% glitchless very hard run when?

[livid basin]

Tomorrow /j

[livid basin]

Ehh... idk. Pretty similar to easy. Enemies just take 33% more hits

and you get 1 heart less

[dull horizon]

fair enough

[livid basin]

Well, I opted for my special get level 4 weapons route™️

[vestal terrace]

Why not reset at that point lol?

[livid basin]

It is a tad bit slower than just fleece it thru

[livid basin]

I should have... I got too invested... I just wanted to get 1 time

[dull horizon]

nah

never reset first runs

you need the practice and experience

just absorb the mistakes and go again when youre ready

[livid basin]

True, and it will be an easy pb next time

[vestal terrace]

Oh this is medium lol I thought you were doing another easy run lol

[livid basin]

lol, no

I got "challenged"

I got my bluff called out, so I had to do it

I'll attempt this again at some point, but I'm just not good enough yet

I get hitted too many times

[hearty vapor]

yea, i'm also focussing on getting easy WR right now then i run other difficulties

[livid basin]

and it feels like sometimes enemies just don't get hit sometimes

and bomber dudes don't even take dmg before they are activated in a room

that felt so much bs, when I tried to snipe them out with curses

Hmm... Game over category?

Get the game over as fast as possible

[dull horizon]

what even is a game over

i havent ever seen it

all followers dying?

[livid basin]

No members and die

That will be permanent game over

btw, 2x atk speed hammer is amazing

It was so much fun to use

[dull horizon]

right?

its so cool

i just like hammer though

[livid basin]

I got that, and then softlocked just before Kallamar. I could have ended that run in a high note ;_;

[dull horizon]

sad

[livid basin]

Has anyone else ran medium any% or do I have (unoffical) WR? xD

also I believe it was a bad omen, that I didn't get temple resources from 1st Darkwoods. I'm blaming that and not my bad gaming skills /j

[lean girder]

Brooooooo, I died to Kallamar with like 5% of his HP

was doing extremely well, and the MF started spiriting around the room doing bullet hell like crazy

what a son of a **

[livid basin]

mood

my condolences-

[lean girder]

wasn't the worst time ever tho

would have gotten pretty close if not better time to the top runs rn, dammit

[livid basin]

damn, I should start getting better at this game, not sure if I'll be able to play for like 4 months, since I'm going to student exchange in another country

Since that is minute off from my best

[lean girder]

I'm gonna do the same, but in 6 months lol

Travelling abroad in December is hella expensive

[autumn niche]

I'll just beating my pb by 3 min and got softlocked randomly

sadge

[livid basin]

mood

[vestal terrace]

I was like 8 minutes ahead and that happened to me. SO MANY SOFTLOCKS BRO.

[north birch]

Softlocks seem to be present a lot lately

[livid basin]

How did you softlock? I got mine from a spawning dude whose minion didn't load properly

[north birch]

Mine varies

I one time softlocked just entering the temple as ratau wasn't showing up

So I was stuck in place indefinitely

[autumn niche]

Softlock here

[livid basin]

Slow fast temple

[autumn niche]

I guess there would be a cutscene in this floor

[north birch]

Another time I softlocked while it was trying to load the next set of rooms

[autumn niche]

But somehow the cutscene started before I passed the door

[north birch]

Which I already posted a clip of that

[livid basin]

Pro tip, get the auto reset off :)

[north birch]

Also is it me or does the newer patch make the follower duplication glitch copy less followers than before?

[autumn niche]

It depends on your speed as well

Sometimes I get 6 followers cloned

Sometimes only 3

Depends on your speed

[north birch]

Yeah I've been spamming dash like crazy but it just seems less consistant to me atm

I had to do the dupe twice just in case for my run

[livid basin]

I'm loading my bad normal any% run to yt, I'll be submitting it so everyone can laugh at it as how bad it is

last 1,5-2 hours are just pure struggle

[north birch]

The run I submitted has so many blunders lol

That I had was one hit on some of the sub bosses with no damage at all lol

[vestal terrace]

I softlock from a guy getting stunned on the ground and not getting back up and not being able to hit him

[north birch]

Painfully losing 800%+ to an arrow you thought you were way out of the way for yet it still hurts you

I swear the hitbox on those things are larger than they look

[vestal terrace]

TRUE

[livid basin]

I call them snipers for that reason

[halcyon grove]

that happened to me too

[vestal terrace]

it happened in the last split too so I wasted like an hour and ten minutes to get softlocked

[livid basin]

https://splits.io/9tbv
Pure pain 💀

[north birch]

Also I had this glitch happen twice that if you kill the boss apparently just as it was about to go to a new phase for being at half health, boss still lives but bar disappears and they don't die at all

[lean girder]

Oh the misery

[vestal terrace]

well theres alot of time save in ad at least lol

[livid basin]

yeah

The silver lining

[north birch]

Didn't know what to do since first time experiencing this bug but it does fix itself hitting him an additonal time lol

[livid basin]

Yeah, I have gotten that also

[vestal terrace]

I think that happens when you kill him to fast lol

[dull horizon]

i got cult of the lamb into a marathon https://s.ftlg.org/

lets fucking GOOOOOOOO

[halcyon grove]

nice

[livid basin]

Poggers! GL HF!

[dull horizon]

does anyone have any experience in marathons? im gonna try to grab a co-commentator or two

hmu

:)

[livid basin]

As a watcher, yeah

[haughty cargo]

Ive been on the couch for several runs before for gdq hotfixes and such but I work middle of the day most saturdays

[livid basin]

Where will this marathon be held?

[dull horizon]

its virtual

i went to gdq this year and i cant afford that shit lmfao

[haughty cargo]

its through FTLG's twitch page Drako, the casting would all be done over discord typically

[dull horizon]

ye

[haughty cargo]

I was going to but I moved across the country and that took priority

[dull horizon]

that or youll be asked to set up a portable obs stream

i havent seen the setup yet

[hearty vapor]

i'd love to help you but i'm really not very talkative, have fun tho xD

[dull horizon]

no prob

i can solo comm

have done it plenty

just like having others to represent the community more

:D

[haughty cargo]

honestly CoTL should be a pretty easy solo comm if your estimate is a 1:45! :) Ill try and tab the stream at work when it happens to support ya

[dull horizon]

i also like really structured runs so i'd have a good idea of what to talk about where

i havent practiced the new route yet so

gonna stream later to figure it out

[haughty cargo]

you've got this

this is true any% or glitchless?

[warped breach]

I would have liked to but my oral English is too bad lul

[livid basin]

Any% Easy

Or that is what it says in the web page

[dull horizon]

ye

[haughty cargo]

Well I can see what its listed as, just curious since we dont have separation of true any% and glitchless any% on the src boards yet haha

excited for you dude, its gonna be awesome

[dull horizon]

i did submit this a week ago before glitchless really became a topic

i will say im much more excited for the neon white run for a reason i cant leak but im glad i have an excuse to practice cult more

[livid basin]

I think Any% would be better to show off what we got. Good 1st show off

[dull horizon]

should really practice neon white frankly but....

[haughty cargo]

youll kill both Im sure

what cat of neon white are you running?

[dull horizon]

white's heaven rush, our most popular category

it's a level rush of all (except one) level in the main story

so super fast paced

done marathon runs of it before but this one has something very special and VERY cool

cant leak yet though

[haughty cargo]

good to know

[autumn niche]

@warped breach just watched your run on speedrun.com

You can disable the tutorials in the settings

Could have gotten an even better time if they were disabled

[warped breach]

Yup someone told me 🥲 I have disable it now lul Thank you btw

[lean girder]

Whats that

[dull horizon]

do you know gamesdonequick

[lean girder]

yeah, watched a lot of it

GDQ

it's the same, I see

[north birch]

Nice to see it appear on a schedule

I mean I could possibly commentate on it as I used to formally do let's play streams/videos back in my day

[lean girder]

I've always seen and dreamed of being part of one, but Idk how I would do

better leave it to someone more experienced with that

[north birch]

You can always practice and do a skit in a discord vc here

It'd be like a presentation

[gaunt stone]

ive been playing cotl and literally as soon as i started my first thought was "you can probably speedrun this" and words can not describe how excited i got when i joined the server and saw this channel

[lean girder]

welcome my dude

[north birch]

I'd probably be talking about all the speedtech and all the research/trouble it took to get them consistent lol

[lean girder]

issue would be that I'm not that used to TALKING in English anymore

[north birch]

More the reason to no? Unless you'll leave it to the couch to commentate most of it

[lean girder]

in Brazil hardly anyone anywhere knows english so it's nearly impossible to keep my grammar clear

[lean girder]

yeah but I'd be shy as hell xd

[north birch]

If you wanna schedule a practice run with how commentary would sound like, I'm down for it

[lean girder]

tempting... kinda hard to give an answer

but thanks for the willingness to help 🙂

I got mixed fellings rn xd

[north birch]

It's fine, no rush

I will say my voice on the other end sounds a lot higher pitch than normal lmao

[lean girder]

kekw

https://youtu.be/t069gOChBok?t=4923

New run, look at this specific time

the moment I cried out loud

[wheat trout]

I literally got into this game because I found out it had just come out which meant I could finally get into speedrunning a game where everyone doesn't have 10 years of prior experience over me lmao

[north birch]

Honestly I feel this is a pretty friendly game to get into speedrunning

[wheat trout]

only got it yesterday tho which means I still have some getting into it to do, wanna finish it at my own pace normally before runs

[north birch]

There's not too many strats that are too complicated or require near frame perfect inputs or something lol

[wheat trout]

enjoying it the way it's meant to be before breaking it into smithereens in cold blood

[north birch]

I 100% the game before speedrunning it

[wheat trout]

noice

[wheat trout]

thats the one concern I have tho, doesn't that mean the skill ceiling won't be all that high and times will start being rly close to each other?

or are there still lots of things you can get rly good at

game's simple as far as mechanics go

[north birch]

I'd say it's a decent range, until there's some other major glitch that hasn't been discovered yet

I would also say a fair bit of it is rng based since the crusade map layout can be either cruel or easygoing, same goes for what weapons you get.

One run I had hammer 50% of the time literally and it was just pain

[gaunt stone]

literally what im doing

i beat heket about 30 seconds ago LMFAO

[wheat trout]

thoroughly owned

I've only beaten leshy so far cause I'm literally only doing cult stuff, feel like I'm breaking progression a bit being on day 40 with 1 bishop killed lol

[narrow snow]

The Games is pretty great. Ive definitely been enjoying my time for the most part

[dull horizon]

you just gotta do it lmfao

[lean girder]

me too, I platinumed it

[dull horizon]

i started speedrunning a little under 2 years ago and ive appeared in quite a handful of marathons

kinda just gotta try it

there are tons of small marathons

[gaunt stone]

i speedrun hades a lot but never did ant of the marathons or anything

i think im pretty good but nowhere near that good LMFAO

[dull horizon]

im just good at public speaking

for most of the games ive run i wasnt in the top 10 at the time

[lean girder]

I'm shy but I've never had issues with public speaking

but only ever in my native language xd

[dull horizon]

what's your native language?

[lean girder]

Brazilian Portuguese

[dull horizon]

ah

there are a handful of brazillian marathons

[lean girder]

I'm more anxious about doing the marathon itself, like talking tech and such

[dull horizon]

as long as you have a pc that can stream and reliable internet tech teams make it very very painless

[lean girder]

like maybe not explaining that well some tricks, or Idk just anxiety xd

[dull horizon]

yeah nerves do get some

[lean girder]

yeah that's no issue

[dull horizon]

i understand it but if you ever want to there are def good, smaller ones to start with

[lean girder]

I'll try getting a better PB first to be a little more optimistic on doing it

that ought to help

[dull horizon]

yeah nerves for me always kinda go away once i start the run

[narrow snow]

I would totally enjoy commenting a 100% for this game. But at 5 hours it would definitely be a hard run to keep active conversation

[grim bolt]

I would accompany the any%

I would make a script cause I don't have a native fluent english

[wheat trout]

do y'all reckon difficulties other than easy will get all that much attention?

[grim bolt]

yeah for sure

[narrow snow]

Extra hard.

[wheat trout]

not for the marathon, in general

[grim bolt]

I'm trying to speedrun all diff, after easy going to normal

[wheat trout]

sweet

how do diffs work? damage and hp scaling or diff specific mechanics too?

[grim bolt]

only hp scaling and health containers

[lean girder]

Not only that, but I noticed enemies attack more often

[grim bolt]

nah, it's the same

[lean girder]

Idk if it was my imagination, but that's what I felt after 100% platinum the game on Extra Hard moving to Eas

y

[grim bolt]

kinda weird, I did the same on extra hard and feel no difference, let me test~

[lean girder]

@dull horizon I have a new tip/trick, do I comment it on here or in #🏁・speedtech ?

[dull horizon]

prob #🏁・speedtech

[lean girder]

ok

[grim bolt]

yeah I feel no difference from extra hard to easy

[narrow snow]

Enemies definitely have felt a bit softer on easy then of normal. I think.

[lean girder]

I see, so seems like it was just my imagination xd

[lean girder]

that's what I thought too

[grim bolt]

might be placebo, I would bet for it

unless a dev show's the literal variable of attack frequency haha

[glacial yoke]

i managed to skip the animation of getting the holy talisman piece in midas's cave by holding W while spamming E and clicking

I cant really get it to happen consistantly though

[copper trout]

Speaking of marathons

I run one

[north birch]

You can get better chances by rolling upward and interacting to scoot the lamb closer to the altar when the ritual happens.

[lean girder]

this is the ugliest new PB I'll probably do in my life xd

[buoyant granite]

Does in-game audio have to be clear in submission recordings? Like can I play music on my streams over the top?

Or would that invalidate the run?

[grim bolt]

I will eventually get the perfect run for 1:10 haha

does using the stream recording works for video proof? while the video renders

[narrow snow]

God that took forever

But im wrapping up this 100%.

[grim bolt]

you did a 100% speedrun?

[narrow snow]

Finished it. Segmented. Unrecorded but good foundation ideas

[grim bolt]

I guess the hardest will be all collectibles

[narrow snow]

Nope. Devotion. I’ve always said devotion and i was right. I was still grinding devotion after having everything else.

[grim bolt]

Oh yeah, you are right

A 100% devotion speedrun with a 100% game cause chad

[narrow snow]

Anyway i finished in game on day 37. The game says time was 14h 26m. But i really don’t believe that (my 101 day file has 14h 27m)

Today was a solid 2.5 hours. Id wager i had already put at least 5 hours in. So yeah somewhere in 7-8hours rta. There’s definitely major improvement to made. An obvious one is i dont use golden fleece, not good enougn.

Hitless bosses also give additional resources which is good. I’ll just have to start working on ironing out the document. Its less route and more guide, the most important thing for the run is to always have the shrine be accumulating devotion. Everything else can kinda be done when we feel like it

[grim bolt]

Do the glirchless route for gold fleece

But if you are still in devotion when you already have everything

Then kinda seems like doesn't matter what you do, devotion will be the peak

[bright patrol]

are we allowed to submit a second run while our first run is still pending verification?

[grim bolt]

What time you got? :0

[grim bolt]

Hooooly daaaaaamn

[bright patrol]

I submitted a run right when the boards open, without using auto splitter and going by time with loads. This one's got everything set up right proper

[grim bolt]

Nice :3

I want to improve the split by adding minor bosses, and I can't find the variables for minor bosses 😦

[narrow snow]

I literally cant use golden fleece. I take hits too often and i am way more likely to die and lose time. Which gets to important point. It only takes followers like 2 minutes to max out the shrine so every second in a dungeon after those 2 minutes cost more devotion. Devotion is the peak. But being faster in dungeons speeds it up as well.

[bright patrol]

It would be nice to add minor bosses to the split, maybe someone will figure it out someday.

also 100% sounds like a marathon

[grim bolt]

the average dungeon is 4 minutes for any% speedrun

[narrow snow]

Then thats a significant improvement to my typical 8.

Also entire dungeon runs arnt that big of a deal. Once we’ve gotten all the witnesses eyes we can enter a dungeon make our way through the first area and then see what room have spawned on the map and go to any we need to just warp out otherwise.

[buoyant granite]

i feel so ashamed that i only just discovered you could turn off the tutorials LMAO

i thought there was something different between my runs and the other videos of peoples runs haha

[grim bolt]

damn, I need that, I didn't know either! haha

[shrewd burrow]

Dudes really be out here taking off Golden Fleece when they get to Silk Cavern so they don't lose 20 minutes dying to bosses

It's me, I'm dudes

[modest stratus]

no, we're dudes

[grim bolt]

hi dudes

[livid basin]

I made a short ASL/Livesplit setup tutorial: https://youtu.be/iC0ItXpZ4fE

and by short, I mean I recorded it in one go and didn't edit much

Quickly could have been a better choice of a word

[livid basin]

RIP Golden Fleece

No longer we have those +1000% dmg oneshots ;_;

Are we gonna see Glass cannon starts now? 👀

[modest stratus]

who said that..?

i mean

[livid basin]

Since heat seeking missles/other curses could be a valid route

[modest stratus]

there's such things as downpatching

we can 100% downpatch

[livid basin]

Sure, and 200% is still a good amount of dmg

[modest stratus]

exactly

there really was no point to max it out though

[livid basin]

but I think it could be a bit more fun to have Glass cannon viable in new patch, more routing options

[modest stratus]

glass canon?

[livid basin]

Green fleece

2x curse dmg, 2x curses, 0,5x melee and 0,5x hp (like golden fleece 2x dmg)

[modest stratus]

wuzzat do again

ah yeah

that'll open some shit up

[livid basin]

but now we need new boards for legacy

or pre 1.0.12

[modest stratus]

not right now

we don't even know the time difference

no real point anyway

if it's faster, use it.

[graceful cobalt]

Hello,
I'm starting learning the run today, but i saw there's a new patch, do the glitches in the guide still work?

[dull horizon]

patch is lame

but the glitches still work i believe

i will not be running it

removes the most interesting thing abt the speedrun lmao

[hearty vapor]

welp, now getting golden fleece is kinda worthless tbh

[rustic shell]

I don't think x3 damage is worthless for a bit of fishing tbh but havent measured

[wheat trout]

any idea why quests can get automatically failed? especially if they involve rituals

I keep getting faith scammed like this

[calm peak]

if you include getting back the followers gold fleece takes maybe 3-4 minutes i still think it's worth it

[scarlet karma]

could it be faster now to just not get a fleece?

i mean 3x damage is big but golden isn’t nearly as good as it was

[calm peak]

it only takes like 3 or 4 min and you do 13 levels after getting it so you only need to save like 20 sec on every level

and i think it does that

[barren summit]

Aw, damn, it got nerfed?

Did follower dupe get murdered as well?

[north birch]

Should I post the difficulty chart here and get it pinned for reference on anyone wanting to try higher difficulties?

[calm peak]

Would be very useful is it written in google spreedsheets?

[north birch]

Oh sure, I can convert it to a google spreadsheet

[barren summit]

Well, glass cannon is interesting on extra hard, but golden fleece being gone will put a damper on the excitement for runs.

[calm peak]

Wait i could prob just add it as a picture in route doc

[north birch]

Oh yeah that tooo

Just in case though you still want a doc link version: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RE1tFpvPqMwoSdBqqnOA9J6SCugVqLNZD1X9lVPKy4c/edit?usp=sharing

[lean girder]

I really hope they rethink about the Golden Fleece 200% limit

200% is just sad

[autumn niche]

Unlimited damage multiplier isn't even that game breaking to casual players

[dapper sand]

Hey guys - is there a basic route written down somewhere that you all are referencing? I expect things to potentially change with the Golden Fleece cap - but if you happen to know what the essential basecamp meta is at the moment - because I'd love to try out y'all's route. This game is so much fun casually its wild. Nice to see the devs bugfixing too.

[livid basin]

I think it is still the same, perhaps golden fleece gets swapped out

or that green fleece (glass cannon) is also possibly viable

[dapper sand]

Is there a video of someone running according to the current meta - if not a written guide? Just want to jump in somewhere. If you guys don't know - don't worry I'll just watch all the runs I can and figure it out when I have time.

[livid basin]

@dapper sand This is pinned

[dapper sand]

Thanks - my bad for not searching the pins

[rancid dust]

that was expected, golden cape was overpowered and made other fleeces useless

[lean girder]

all fleeces are useless now xd

Useless for us speedrunners and casuals

[rancid dust]

well in fact yes, even glasscannon, keeping in mind that mana spends so quick

there is cards to help with that but, who uses cards in runs anyway?

[livid basin]

I feel I'd like to try Glass canon run on easy

[grim bolt]

I will keep with gold fleece

[lean girder]

cards maybe even an option now

[grim bolt]

Mostly i would load it to 300

Like with good luck run, I would only face 2 cross layers anyway

[lean girder]

I'll try vanilla fleece to see how it goes

not care at all about getting golden or whatever

[shadow skiff]

how is the gold fleece useless

[livid basin]

The nerf in newest patch

I wouldn't say it's useless but less good

[modest stratus]

should i make a downpatch guide?

YOOO

I JUST DOWNPATCHED

YOU DON'T NEED TO REPLACE THE FILES IN THE DEMO SO YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE VERSIONS

[river crescent]

i think white fleece is pretty good

4 cards at the start is pretty good

and because you can get the map one you can run through pretty early, though less of an issue on easy mode with smaller dungeons

[scarlet karma]

it’d be pretty rng heavy though

you might get no dmg cards

[river crescent]

a reset takes like 30 in game seconds with recall

but yeah

[fluid sleet]

I think even 300 isn't that good, the damage isn't free it's rewarding good players that can make a "hitless" run, I think 500% would be good. Being OP shouldn't be that big of a issue in a game that doesn't have multiplayer

[fluid sleet]

yes pls

[autumn niche]

Nah, too much rng and the best card you can get is 2x damage

[fluid sleet]

I tried the glass canon build, but golden fleece still is incomparably better

[narrow snow]

White fleece has potential in 100%. Specifically cause of rabbits foot. Better chest can mean more blue prints during the run and less buying them at the end.

[livid basin]

compered to nerfed gofleece?

[fluid sleet]

yes

[livid basin]

(y)

[fluid sleet]

golden fleece still gives damage to the curse

it's not just the melee damage

[livid basin]

Yeah, I was more thinking of spam potential

to oneshot stuff

[fluid sleet]

I did too, but you'd need absurd rng to get the good damage curses

[river crescent]

yeah green fleece halving melee damage is so harsh

seeing as it messes with your hp just as much in most cases

[fluid sleet]

I think they didn't think much when patching, the problem of the golden fleece isn't just the damage, overall the other ones suck comparing

I think even if it was only 100% damage i'd still be better just because it's less rng

[vestal terrace]

omg they nerfed golden fleece I'm gone for two days and this is how they welcome me back smh

[modest stratus]

im working on it now

[fluid sleet]

mvp

if they don't buff golden fleece, will there be another pre patch category?

[rustic shell]

honestly I don´t think anyone wants to run a category above 1.11 atm

[north birch]

I probably will cause why not, it'll just take a bit longer depending on some things.

[river crescent]

i think itll depend on what they do on later patches

cause im assuming there is going to be a 1.10 category and current patch category at current

unless something in a newer patch makes the speedrun signifigantly more fun

[hearty vapor]

i thought we just accept it and run latest version lol

[river crescent]

with how easy steam downpatching is

[hearty vapor]

accepting = deleting old runs / moving them to legacy or something

[river crescent]

and how fundamentally different giga gold fleece is

[north birch]

I'll admit that half the time I get to the boss I'm barely at 200% because I somehow get hit a few rooms before the boss lmao

[hearty vapor]

yea but like, feels very wrong to choose the exact patch based on your personal preferences

i think we should just accept what the developer decides is best

maybe in the future when there are drastic changes like DLC or whatever then it's worth talking about splitting the leaderboard by patches

[north birch]

@dull horizon Are you gonna run current patch or downgrade for the event btw? Curious on that.

[livid basin]

tl;dr?

[river crescent]

also pretty common practice for speedruns to just be any patch

[lean girder]

Tried a new run with no Gold Fleece and picking up cards whenever I run into them, didn't go TERRIBLY but oh well it's still lower

[dull horizon]

def downpatch

[lean girder]

I still have to compare it to the new 200% gold fleece tho

[dull horizon]

i dont think ill run without golden fleece

[modest stratus]

making a downpatch

guide

[livid basin]

Yeah, but is it just a start up command or what?

[river crescent]

oh nvm

[modest stratus]

command

[river crescent]

this game doesnt have the downpatch like other games

[modest stratus]

yeah

you need to type in it in steam console

[river crescent]

[modest stratus]

so open run

[modest stratus]

open run, type steam://open/console

[livid basin]

What's the command/flag? -patch=x?

[modest stratus]

then type in said steam console

download_depot 1313140 1313141 1944981499758156304

this opens and downloads the unlocked gold fleece ver

then what you want to do is open the directory it put it in

open it

and whallah

i need to create a tutorial for future versions though

[halcyon grove]

does it work with linux

[modest stratus]

sadly no

[halcyon grove]

the link opened the steam console

[modest stratus]

does the game even support linux?

[halcyon grove]

yeah

[livid basin]

probably since it is a webapp

[modest stratus]

oh then yeah

[livid basin]

and not a windows command

[halcyon grove]

you can play almost any game on linux with steam play

[modest stratus]

steam play..

oh

[hearty vapor]

voilà 💀

[blazing forum]

I mean considering this channel even exists, they seem to accept speedrunners. At worst I hope they end up putting in a beta branch for unlocked fleece

so that we don't need to downpatch using steam commands

[copper trout]

Well, I made this channel. Not the devs

[blazing forum]

oh

sadge

Well, one can hope :v

@modest stratus Is the savedata shared or nah? Like, if I play my casual savefile in the downpatched version, does it effect the live version? (I don't plan to, just curious)

[mighty pivot]

so are runs on old patch are valid?

[blazing forum]

We'll probably just continue to run on old patch

unless something gets found that only works on new patch that's faster lol

[mighty pivot]

sick i lost a run just now that was 2 mins faster than my 1:15 that i went to main menu because i thought it was a glitch lol

i had 3 rare fish in my first 4 fish and got a 3 min time save for it

[autumn niche]

First run on new patch compared to my pb on last patch

It was a pretty lame run to be honest, had some bad decision making and bad rng as well

But it's still a decent time

[copper trout]

Yeah I'm kinda waiting on changing the boards until we have better sense on if a new route is found

But console runners can't down patch, and with this being early, yeah don't know how we'll do it yet

[blazing forum]

is fish still faster than midas?

wouldn't midas still be faster

I suppose maybe if you got god rng w/ fish

[autumn niche]

Midas route takes like 2 minutes long

Fish route is too much rng I think

[mighty pivot]

i had fishing done before night

i had to wait for night to get the fleece

[blazing forum]

I think midas happens before that even though

[copper trout]

Only way to find out is to try

[blazing forum]

yeah

lol

Assuming perfect rng fish is probably faster

[copper trout]

Welcome to speed running

[autumn niche]

I'd say so

Midas = safe route
Fish = prayge

[blazing forum]

but I refuse to reset on that sort of a thing lmao

yeah lol

if your first 4 fish are all the special fish

you deserve WR

lol

[copper trout]

Death's door ended up doing a 1.0 board and a CP

So we could do the same for people who really want to run golden fleece

[autumn niche]

• gets 4 special fishes first catch
• gets killed by kallamar

[blazing forum]

I'm down!

[blazing forum]

also yeah, sounds about right

Other than leshy, they all attack almost right away and then have an easy attackable phase

leshy lets you shmack him first lol

what a swell fellow

[mighty pivot]

also i ran the command and i'm still on new patch

[copper trout]

I need more mods to go through pending runs lol

I don't have time

[blazing forum]

I mean I applied I thought :V

But tbh I need some teaching I suppose

[livid basin]

Whelp, time to apply

[blazing forum]

oh

well that was fast LMAO

[copper trout]

Derp

Like I said I've been busy

[blazing forum]

yeah, I figured it was something like that tbh

[copper trout]

Lemme know your src and if you need help I'll link you to a guide

[livid basin]

I'm going to have about 3,5 months my gameplay ability is limited, so why not mod

[copper trout]

Kay same for you

[rancid dust]

maybe with SteamCMD?

[blazing forum]

I'm AmethystEspeon on SRC lol

I'm named it everywhere :V

[halcyon grove]

at least they fixed the shrine lock

[blazing forum]

definitely. I could see casual players getting locked on it and that would suck

I remember a couple of softlocks in my casual run and they were annoying

[rancid dust]

oh sorry, I mean DepotDownloader https://github.com/SteamRE/DepotDownloader

[ebon field]

they fix bosses sliding outside of the screen when kill, that a good thing too, I lost 2 run because of that

[blazing forum]

haven't had that one happen yet, though it's come close w/ the...second? boss in anura

the flappy boi

[ebon field]

with the first

[blazing forum]

he loves flying off lol

[halcyon grove]

did they fix the bug where the upgrade tree menus are super laggy

[ebon field]

I kill both time with the explosive AOE Curse and he slide outside the screen

If you want a guide with download_depot and DepotDownloader, i know that sekiro speedrun board have a guide with both, just need to adapt with good value given before (this -> download_depot 1313140 1313141 1944981499758156304)

[halcyon grove]

found an interesting thing

turns out you can just burn the tutorial meal lol

[rancid dust]

not directly, and it's strange, cuz Unity...

[blazing forum]

really? So you can just spam the make meal button then

[halcyon grove]

yeah

[blazing forum]

small timesave yuhhh

[rancid dust]

but speaking of downpatching, I was able to download previous version with:

DepotDownloader.exe -app 1313140 -depot 1313141 -manifest 1944981499758156304 -dir X:\CotL\Downpatch -username <username>

Manifest 1944981499758156304 looks right before patching to current version https://steamdb.info/depot/1313141/manifests/

PS. You can get DepotDownloader from here https://github.com/SteamRE/DepotDownloader/releases

(for anyone wandering the magic numbers 1313140 it's AppId of CotL, 1313141 is Windows version of the game (it's 1313142 for MacOS) and 1944981499758156304 it's the patch (manifest) version for Windows (it's 3312167984004578503 for MacOS)

[mighty pivot]

you can also make the meal with the tutorial pop up still on screen

[rancid dust]

@modest stratus

ah, you've already did that, my bad, should read all the messages

[mighty pivot]

is there any talk of adding old patches in betas?

[lean girder]

I wish glitchless had even the possibility to go for Midas

[blazing forum]

would be nice, but the downpatch method steve said worked fine. 1.0.11 through the .exe in the folder. 1.0.12 through steam launcher

I mean, glitchless can run the old route, no? The shroom one

still way more rng tho

[lean girder]

that was nearly me, in my yesterday's PB I got 3 rare fishes + just as I finished fishing it got to night time and got the fox

[blazing forum]

that's sick

[halcyon grove]

god the wiki is so bare bones lmao

cant blame them tho

[lean girder]

and then.... Kallmar f*cked me

[blazing forum]

Generally I wait for them to do something first (except leshy, who I just shmack) and then start going

[livid basin]

yeah, the game is new and data mining is just under way

[lean girder]

yeah but Kallamar has basically 2 things that can happen

1st one which is the most common - With a high enough Gold Fleece bonus you can go full on bonkers on him and he doesn't even move a muscle, killing him in less than 5 secs

[river crescent]

especially with how annoying this game is to data mine

[blazing forum]

I mean, you only have to be super wary against the bell though

[river crescent]

if you see the damage dealt by a spell

it is like "Base damage x difficulty dmg x lvl x curse multi yadayada"

and its just tons of variables and you cant easily find the base damage or hp of anything

[lean girder]

2nd that rarely happens (at least to me) - He goes full on Japanese Bullet Hell and keeps sprinting through the map

and you can't even hit him with a Hammer cause it's too slow

[river crescent]

they really need to buff hammer

AOE up and/or a stun plz

[blazing forum]

this sounds like standard good coding. Do this and then have a list or something similar of the base damage for each spell

[river crescent]

oh yeah its not bad coding

[lean girder]

Hammer is good, just gotta be extra careful with it

[river crescent]

just annoying AF

[blazing forum]

lol

[fluid sleet]

I think the wiki doesn't even talk about the fleeces

[blazing forum]

hammer is honestly one of my favs

[lean girder]

Dagger is the most disgusting one

[river crescent]

cause the oppossite, while good for people like me, is terrible for others trying to change stuff

[lean girder]

Dagger's 4th attack is as slow as hammer's attack

[blazing forum]

hammer in spider zone is just

[river crescent]

like, if the damage was hard coded to 5xvariableABC

[lean girder]

I f*ckin hate dagger

[river crescent]

then you have to manually change the 5 in so many parts of the code

[lean girder]

low reach, low damage, and extremely slow 4th attack

[blazing forum]

yeah and attack cancel repeating the 4th attack is like

[river crescent]

yeah i basically never finish dagger combo

[blazing forum]

bad?

actually does less damage?

[river crescent]

the finisher is cringe

[blazing forum]

meanwhile gauntlets

[river crescent]

though gauntlet finisher chaining is ludicrous

[blazing forum]

have the range of a fucking house

[river crescent]

actually half screen range

[fluid sleet]

Honestly, pretty underrated

[blazing forum]

is it?

[river crescent]

not at all

[blazing forum]

casually it definitely is

[river crescent]

in fact very clearly and widely seen as the best weapon id say

[blazing forum]

but once you get attack canceling down it is so obviously the strongest weapon

[river crescent]

tbh even without it

[fluid sleet]

Pre-patch I really liked the hammer

[river crescent]

the range of the finisher is insane enough

[blazing forum]

lots of people don't like the slow damage part of it casually

the range of the finisher is just so freaking funny

[river crescent]

makes no sense

[livid basin]

This is why I always lose my gofleece stacks. I overstay my welcome and get greedy and take dmg

[blazing forum]

Gimme a sec, I have a clip from my channel

[river crescent]

i want to see the hitbox of that fucking thing

[fluid sleet]

First time seeing the range I thought it was glitched lmao

[blazing forum]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AlluringStrongStapleHeyGirl-x1E9TGAMRySBtsW4 this was from one of my earlier runs

and it's just so funny to me

[lean girder]

it's the best weapon in the game imo

[blazing forum]

oh, no doubt

[lean girder]

Fast, high damage attacks, with the 3rd attack having a gigantic reach with really high damage

and easy to keep spamming 3rd attack

[river crescent]

gauntlets moment

[halcyon grove]

dagger is worst weapon imo

[lean girder]

more like

[blazing forum]

imo weapon tierlist is
gauntlet
axe
sword
hammer

dagger

[river crescent]

i like dagger

[blazing forum]

lol "several people are typing"

[river crescent]

still not more than sword or axe

[halcyon grove]

i think the hammer is better than the sword, especially for bosses

[river crescent]

but

[livid basin]

Mine is
axe
sword
gauntlet
hammer

dagger

[blazing forum]

woah gauntlet not first

[livid basin]

I love the consistancy of sword and axe

[blazing forum]

hot take

[halcyon grove]

Mine is
gauntlet
axe
hammer
sword

dagger

fuck

oops

[river crescent]

hammer

[livid basin]

I'm just too greedy with gauntlet

[blazing forum]

honestly I was debating hammer being equal to or above sword

lol yeah I've been working on that w/ gauntlet

[lean girder]

Gauntlet
Hammer
Axe
Sword
Dagger

[blazing forum]

but the boss killing on it is absurd

[river crescent]

i so desperately want a hitbox visualiser for gauntlet

[blazing forum]

axe > hammer imo. it's gauntlet-lite but with less commitment

[halcyon grove]

until more advanced modding is developed there isnt a lot of testing possible

[lean girder]

I just did it up there in the chat xd

[river crescent]

yeah but like a proper in game one

thats like 1:1 actually accurate and uses coding stuff to show all hitboxes/hurtboxes yadayada

[scarlet karma]

theres no way it isnt a bug or something

[lean girder]

hitbox's bigger than that for sure

[river crescent]

still so funny

[halcyon grove]

although freespirit said he was experimenting with stuff but im not sure how he was doing that

[fluid sleet]

@river crescent do you know what's the multiplier for gauntlet's 3rd hit?

[lean girder]

probably 10x

[river crescent]

not how it works

[fluid sleet]

I had the impression that it was about 3 to 4 times

[river crescent]

cards listed damage has nothing to do with its damage

lmao

[lean girder]

cause that slap is Mario Speedrun slap damage

[fluid sleet]

Lol

[river crescent]

WeaponDMG listed = Dmg in combo/hits in combo

kek

[fluid sleet]

Wait, every weapon does more damage with full combo?

[lean girder]

Now I want a mod that changes the the gauntlet's sound effect to Mario's

[river crescent]

yep

i realised it properly with axe

[blazing forum]

idk....dagger tho

[river crescent]

when i wasnt doing 7.6 dmg

[copper trout]

Mod to give Lamb a gun

[fluid sleet]

That explains a lot of my time losses lmao

[river crescent]

[lean girder]

last hit is always the hardest

[blazing forum]

isn't axe canceling still faster though lmao

[river crescent]

almost definitely

[lean girder]

Hollow Knight style

[autumn niche]

Hammer combo

[fluid sleet]

The American way

[lean girder]

KKona

[halcyon grove]

if there was a speedrun timer mod would it be allowed on leaderboards

[fluid sleet]

Pog

[river crescent]

if you want i can grab the snippit of code

[lean girder]

Murica bois

[river crescent]

that specifically states what im saying

but im 100% confident

[blazing forum]

speedrun timer is just the autosplitter though p much lol

[copper trout]

@halcyon grove there's already a load remover for live split

[lean girder]

I don't like using autosplits

[fluid sleet]

Don't worry I believe

[halcyon grove]

yeah but livesplit isnt on linux :(

[blazing forum]

linux

sorry

[lean girder]

I like having to press the button

[blazing forum]

let me fix that

[fluid sleet]

Sadge

[copper trout]

I use Linux

[blazing forum]

Gaming on linux

linux otherwise is amazing

[fluid sleet]

Too late, already printed it

[halcyon grove]

aint no way im gonna pay 130 bucks for a license

[blazing forum]

nuuu

[copper trout]

I game on Linux with my steam deck

[lean girder]

become a pirate

[fluid sleet]

Oh, i thought you were going to edit to be nice

[river crescent]

i ran a script to visually remove the "install windows" watermark

[blazing forum]

I'm lucky, my father's been working at a company that just gives him free licenses he can use since I was like...5

[blazing forum]

I mean, coding on linux is fucking amazing. Way better than windows.

[lean girder]

I've probably never used a computer with an actual Windows License in my whole life

[copper trout]

I just bought windows for like $30 and have had the key since

[halcyon grove]

agreed

[fluid sleet]

Didn't they just give them out a while ago?

[halcyon grove]

plus i like not having a trillion background processes

[lean girder]

the last windows right? I don't think I got it

[fluid sleet]

I think they gave out when Windows 8 was still being used as an "apology"

[river crescent]

anyone messed around with building mode to see if you can stack buildings?

i wouldnt be surprised if there was a way

[narrow snow]

Holy crap. So ive been playing on switch which had a bug that prevented more then 6 followers from entering the temple. Now that that is fix every follower can be present for the ascend ritual and that give 50% loyalty to everyone and that is huge for 100%

[rancid dust]

yes, M60 is a good choice, first Magicka had one and it was fun

[wooden galleon]

Is cult of the lamb a good game for a like not beginner speedrunner but not an experienced one either to try?

Its exactly what I wanted

[blazing forum]

yes

that's me

[wooden galleon]

New, fun, cool gameplay, maybe some cool skips

[river crescent]

its a roguelike speedrun

if you are solid at the game youll pick it up pretty fast

[blazing forum]

Most of the tricks atm are tiny time savers, but easy to do. The only big skip (midas skip) you can retry as many times as you want and there's a screenshot to help. Most of the time optimization is just combat

[wooden galleon]

Midas skip?

What’a that?

[blazing forum]

yeah you can go to midas early

[river crescent]

its like a minecraft speedrun.

[blazing forum]

by uh

just kinda spaming while hovering over it

lol

and that lets you get golden fleece early

which makes you able to do EVERYTHING else super fast

[river crescent]

its nothing insane, its just kinda the game where you just ignore as much fluff as you can

[blazing forum]

but also makes perfect combat very important

[halcyon grove]

the hardest skip in the run is the ratau temple dialouge skip which isnt even really required

[wooden galleon]

Gotta love golden fleece

[blazing forum]

TRUE

ratau temple skip is either get the skip or softlock LOL

for like a 5 second timesave

[halcyon grove]

and even if you fail it its so early in the run so its easy to retry

[blazing forum]

tbh I don't even go for it atm

[wooden galleon]

I love this game and I think im okay at it so Imma try it out

[blazing forum]

yeah! the speedrun is fun even doing it kinda slow

[river crescent]

yeah its a pretty entry level speedrunner game id say

[halcyon grove]

the largest skip in the game is follower cloning which is rediculously easy

just spam space

or roll button on controller

[blazing forum]

yeah it's just "roll down roll up"

[wooden galleon]

If I stick with this one I could become one of the first speedrunners!

[river crescent]

one of the speedrunners of all time

[wooden galleon]

(Not that there’s a great champnce imma stick with it)

[blazing forum]

there's a lot of runs unverified atm

[halcyon grove]

theres 3 runs on the leaderboard atm

[blazing forum]

I'm actually verifying them rn

[halcyon grove]

oh nice

[blazing forum]

but we have to manually time w/o loads so it takes a while >.>

[wooden galleon]

Well, I play on switch, so no verified runs for me

[blazing forum]

sure you can!

[wooden galleon]

*switch lite

[blazing forum]

Oh

well

[halcyon grove]

just record with your phone or somthin

[blazing forum]

yeah

if your phone records at 30 fps that's p much what everyone else is recording at

[wooden galleon]

But, I can’t send that on discord?

[blazing forum]

Upload it to youtube

you don't send over discord

[wooden galleon]

Oh, that’s a great idea!

Omggggggg

But first, I have to download it on a different account, cause I REFUSE to lose my main save on most games

[halcyon grove]

there are 3 save files in the game

[blazing forum]

Oh, the biggest issue is going to be downpatching

[halcyon grove]

maybe not in console tho

[wooden galleon]

Nope

[blazing forum]

They just released a patch that nerfs golden fleece really hard

[wooden galleon]

Not for console 🙂

[blazing forum]

TRUE

[halcyon grove]

damn

[blazing forum]

I forgot they're different releases ;P

[wooden galleon]

See, there’s good to being a comsole player

[blazing forum]

It'll be pushed eventually though