hunt-general

[mortal nebula]

wouldnt be Great

[indigo hemlock]

doesn't every other game allow cross-play? doesn't fortnite allow cross-play on console? and don't they allow keyboard and mouse or is it just aim assist?

[mortal nebula]

but you could

[upper hemlock]

"Untrue" with no truth to back it up?

[gilded fossil]

"Infernal Bundle available now in the store." Like.... is everyone ok with this?

[indigo hemlock]

I just explained in the follow-up post

[opal dawn]

Maybe not everyone, but fomo sucks

[mortal nebula]

i personally dont like console because of the subscription service to play online

[upper hemlock]

All it see is you never played on console so idk how you think you know what you are talking about with no experience yourself?

[gilded fossil]

i mean they had these in the last battle pass why would you do that..

[mortal nebula]

and how pricy games are on console

[fathom shale]

Why wouldn't they? The skins weren't mythic so they are able to come back at any point and this is not the first time they have brought back other previous BP skins that were also not mythic

[flint jetty]

For people that missed out?

[indigo hemlock]

what are you talking about? please read the post about allowing two different lobbies, or cross-play, if you have a keyboard enough plugged in on console. it would solve the problem for everyone.

[gilded fossil]

i mean too soon maybe?

[fathom shale]

Like oh no people don't have to wait a year, is that the complaint?

[upper hemlock]

But there is no problem where you are fabricating one xD

[fathom shale]

They are still getting a worse deal than they would have from getting the skins through the BP

[crystal bay]

Keyboard/mouse is not the only difference between console + PC afaik

[fathom shale]

So people who put in the work and did it prior still get the benefit of getting them for much cheaper

[dreamy cave]

Frfr. I want to get a console just for some casual stuff but I do not want to have to pay a monthly fee lol

[gilded fossil]

the idea behind it is why dont bring back a previous thing not "the one" before the current

[mortal nebula]

You can get a PC for casual stuff

[indigo hemlock]

clearly is a problem. people are buying the keyboard and mouse adapter on console because they want to be able to use the keyboard and mouse. it's not just about one upping a player with gamepad because you have an advantage. it's about being able to use a better tool and have a better experience with the game, like you would on PC. like all the people that buy a PC just for hunt showdown.

[dreamy cave]

Nah i want to sit on my couch with my feet up. I can't do that with my pc. I gotta sit in a dumb chair lol

[opal dawn]

Seems like pc and console lobbies play on the same builds, since there was a bug where consoles and pc lobbies were thrown together

[mortal nebula]

But it really is about gaining an advantage over controller players tho

[mortal nebula]

I lay in my bed and use my pc all the time

[dreamy cave]

I also dont like SP games on pc lol

[crystal bay]

How does it run on console? Is it like capped at 60 fps or can it go higher

[dreamy cave]

I don't have the option to do that

[gilded fossil]

and imo they should bring back mythic stuff back at this point since atm we dont really have anything mythic

[opal dawn]

Capped

[upper hemlock]

So the issue is third party adapter.... I see. Carry on.

[mortal nebula]

Outside of God of war most games are on all platforms

[indigo hemlock]

and if you allowed keyboard and mouse, do you think those people are just going to stop playing the game? people that have the adapter will start using the native keyboard and mouse experience without the adapter and be able to play against PC players. and people without the adapter will just play against people that only have gamepad.

[dreamy cave]

Yeah. Lol 👍🏿

[indigo hemlock]

allowing it natively would literally get rid of the bad apples because the bad apples would migrate to the native keyboard and mouse function and play against PC at that point

[mortal nebula]

But I kinda understand it

Consoles let you just click 2 buttons and boom ur gamin

[indigo hemlock]

and then the people with a gamepad would have an option. if they want at any point they can plug in keyboard and mouse and play with their PC, friends or just play against other console players that have PC and mouse.

[fathom shale]

This sure is an argument, a PC player arguing against console players for something that console players have wanted for ages for the sake of fairness without it being something that affects them at all as a PC player

[indigo hemlock]

and then if crytek comes out with a sequel to hunt showdown for another game that is only on PC at first? those people will probably be more likely to buy the game on PC because they have keyboard and mouse experience now.

[upper hemlock]

Yeah console players buying adapters to hunt with m&k on console are trashy sporting hunters

[mortal nebula]

I'm not against cross play but crytek has denied it for ages. But if they implemented cross play and allowed mouse on console they would have to add input based matchmaking

[fathom shale]

Hunt is not the first game to ban for using KBM on console, even bigger recent games have done it too like BF6 for example

[raven totem]

Nope, all the mythic are mine, good thing their doing the legacy chonicals

[mortal nebula]

The easiest thing to do is just ban mouse users on console. Hunt is far from the first game to do that too

[raven totem]

They did, suspiciously before this hypergocused argument came up

[upper hemlock]

Or he does want m&k on console but the real answer is blocking the hardware cheaters

[mortal nebula]

He wants mnk on console lmao

[raven totem]

Of course

[upper hemlock]

I saw ARCM and was like ARC Mobile???? No way

Of course no way 😂

[mortal nebula]

Huh

[static briar]

just wiped hte whole server and my two randies dc'd so now Im alone running around an empty map 🙁

[mortal nebula]

Mood

[upper hemlock]

Mr glides server tag

[mortal nebula]

Oh I forgot arc raiders was a game

I played it hard for like 2 months than got bored

[upper hemlock]

Oh yeah, Hunt never left my tag since they made it

[indigo hemlock]

crytek is pretty uninnovative in the anti-cheat space. Even Arc raiders innovated better by giving back lost characters that were killed by cheaters. Hunt has been out for 10 years at this point almost and hasn't been able to do that? or thought of doing it?

they should be innovating allowing native keyboard and mouse on console and setting an industry standard that all players are welcome without having to invest in brand new hardware and can enjoy a PC gaming experience without investing in additional hardware.

it is bad enough form that they do not have a unified account to allow your progression from PC to console and vice versa. allowing keyboard and mouse on console would be a good middle ground in lieu of that.

[mortal nebula]

Nah

[upper hemlock]

Hows inferno? Compared to original inferno? Same same?

[mortal nebula]

It's peak

Less peak than before since it's dusk instead of midnight

[sly stump]

Damnnnn never played inferno ever! I missed that event

[mortal nebula]

But peak nonetheless

Stillwater inferno makes it infinitely better

[fathom shale]

They didn't "innovate" though, that has been done by games before Arc Raiders. Also while a nice feature, I don't see the value of it in Hunt when dying to actual cheaters is so rare as is

[mortal nebula]

95% less bushes to hide in

They're all on fire

[indigo hemlock]

how do you figure? they say they ban hundreds of thousands of accounts didn't they recently?

and that's only the people they can catch. The dma cheats and hardware cheats that are undetectable will not be spotted by even the new program they implemented

[fathom shale]

Yes but that number alone does not tell the full picture

[indigo hemlock]

so no, that is not true

so you figure all those hundreds of thousands of accounts never killed a single person?

[fathom shale]

No?

[indigo hemlock]

of course they did. they were cheating. they probably killed more people than the people that were not cheating

[mortal nebula]

Oh no. My 800 hunt dollars

Whatever will I do

[mild quiver]

also that only accounts for the detected cheaters and obviously less than 100% of cheaters are detected

[fierce gazelle]

What does these stars mean?

[indigo hemlock]

so what happens to all of those hunters? My time is not being respected. if I am killed by a cheater and crytek can obviously track that and they don't give me back my time

[dreamy cave]

Ranking

[mortal nebula]

The players mmr (matchmaking rank)
More stars = more skill

[fierce gazelle]

Wait, so im high rank?

[mortal nebula]

Kinda

Are you the 5 or 6

[dreamy cave]

The MMR is sorta whack but you're up there

[upper hemlock]

Bro dont you play on pc? You said you never played console 🤣

[fathom shale]

Can you share the source mentioning hundreds of thousands of accounts btw? I can't find it

[fierce gazelle]

Im the 3° 6 stars

[indigo hemlock]

it is not just the time I put into one match that is being cheated out of me. when I get killed by a cheater. that Hunter was used in previous matches. sometimes I I had invested multiple matches into that Hunter. it could be like a progression of 3 plus hours that I now don't get back because crytek is too lazy to implement something that ark raiders had on launch

[mortal nebula]

My source is I made it the fuck up

[mortal nebula]

You're a 6? Yeah you're pretty good

[indigo hemlock]

and I know they have all the statistics because people have done gdpr requests to crytek and all that information is logged

[mortal nebula]

5* is prolly the new average

[fierce gazelle]

i dont even know the game

[mortal nebula]

So easy to get into 6*

[upper hemlock]

Everyone knows console is cryteks ugly redheaded step child

[mortal nebula]

2-3 good games will put you there

[indigo hemlock]

I'm not sure on the exact number. The last fair fight or whatever they call it report that came out this week or the week before or something mentioned a number of hunters being banned

[mortal nebula]

Just play for awhile and your mmr will average out

[dreamy cave]

You gain MMR by killing people with more stars than you and you lose MMR by dying to people with less stars than you. The more you play your MMR will level out since you're new.

[fathom shale]

Idk what you are expecting but even if they implemented refund of lost hunters and gear to dying to cheaters, you would only see like maybe 1 out of 100-200 hunters returned if even that

[indigo hemlock]

I assume this was a recent number and not just an overall number since the game started because that would be misleading of them

[indigo hemlock]

so what?

[upper hemlock]

Im averaged in the middle because I got skills of a six star but the balls of a two star xDDD

[indigo hemlock]

are you saying my time isn't worth it? why am I playing the game then?

[mortal nebula]

Oh no. 800 hunt dollars. Woe is me

[fathom shale]

Yeah, pretty much

[indigo hemlock]

why am I playing the game when when 6 hours of my time gets flushed down the toilet because crytek is too lazy to implement logging

[fathom shale]

Not like Hunt has some rare progression related loot or something that you miss out on

Hunt is fundamentally different from Arc

A lost hunter is nothing

[indigo hemlock]

oh you mean like frag arrows?

[mortal nebula]

Highly doubt one death is wiping six hours of progress

[indigo hemlock]

which you can farm an entire day for and not find them?

[fierce gazelle]

I just lost an almost level 50 hunter to a 100 / 100 hunter

[indigo hemlock]

you are wrong sorry

My time is valuable.

[flint jetty]

Frag arrows?

[raven totem]

we didn't even get a year with our goodies

[mortal nebula]

You are choosing a really weird hill to die on

[dreamy cave]

That doesn't matter MMR wise. Its all about the stars.

[flint jetty]

So this isn't a airport btw you don't gotta announce your departure

[indigo hemlock]

because other games in the genre that came out recently innovate far better than crytek has in 10 years in the anti-cheat space? come on now.

[dreamy cave]

100 prestige just means a lot of play time lol iv seen 100p play like 2 stars lol

[mortal nebula]

What other games exactly?

[fathom shale]

Lol why do you keep calling it innovating

[indigo hemlock]

it's absolutely bonkers that that anyone in this Discord that is a player of the game would not want this feature. why would you not want to get your Hunter back if you were killed by a cheater? it makes no sense.

[raven totem]

it doesn't matter about stars, it's all about brackets

[fathom shale]

Arc was not the first game to do something like that

[mortal nebula]

The only one you have said is arc and that game is MASSIVELY different than hunt

[dreamy cave]

In the end nothing even matters 🙏🏿

[mortal nebula]

Idk I just say yee haw and go boom bam

[dreamy cave]

https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736

[flint jetty]

I mean it doesn't matter the amount of money you make is insane to the point you can fall upwards

You'd have to like but nothing but mosins and nitros to rlly run out

[indigo hemlock]

it's not just about spending $100. it's about having trades that will take time to get again, a level 50 Hunter that will take time to get again, frag arrows that could take days or weeks to find again or other scarce items.

it's about the time I put into the game.

[mortal nebula]

I mean, I wouldn't complain if they added it. But dying to cheaters happens so rarely that I feel like it would be a worthless addition

[upper hemlock]

I have never cried "cheater" once in my decades of pvp gaming.
Even if im killed by a cheater i dont even think about it.
If i died its my fault, somewhere I could have made a better decision to survive, especially in hunt where you can disengage and leave if necessary.

[flint jetty]

Why not just use something else that's similar? And getting to level 50 literally takes me a hour or two at most

[mortal nebula]

Honestly Its just "ok, GG go next"

Make a report, go next

[indigo hemlock]

so rare that cheats are advertised and sold for this game. and even posted publicly on forums. it sounds like you are just not in the know of the cheating situation.

[indigo hemlock]

because I worked to get the frag arrows? because I bought a Bow specifically for the frag arrows? and it took me days to find them? and then I lost them to a cheater?

[mortal nebula]

I mean, if you're on a cheating forum you're gonna find cheats

[indigo hemlock]

and if you play the game, you'll find cheaters.

[upper hemlock]

At least you get frag arrows at level 1 now and dont have to grind bow xp for it

[mortal nebula]

Frag arrows are scarce

[flint jetty]

Mb you should've just been better with the frag arrows idk what to tell you

[mortal nebula]

But like, just buy waxed frags for bomb launcher

Literally the same thing

[upper hemlock]

Cheaters are part of gaming life and if you ignore their presence watch them dissapear

[fathom shale]

Actually after looking into it more I guess Arc is the only extraction shooter that returns loot like that, I could have sworn there was another extraction game that did it but I guess I misremembered so my bad on that. Other games of different genre have done different compensation systems for dying to cheaters though so the core idea isn't new, but Arc doing it for loot seems to be a first

[raven totem]

I swear frag arrows are better

[mortal nebula]

Nah they're worse actually

They get put out by chokes and water

[raven totem]

arena breakout does as well I think but could be wrong

[indigo hemlock]

I'm prestige 100 so this doesn't really apply to me. My point is that the time I put in is not respected if crytek has the ability to give me back my time spent when a cheater kills me and they choose not to invest the resources to make it possible. instead, they are licensing a program to catch people that use avto macros which are far fewer than people that actually use undetectable cheats

[uneven flax]

Just kept losing for 3 hours straight. Fuckin amazing

[raven totem]

tony isn't entirely wrong about the getting hunters back, the keyboard thing feels wildly timed though

[mortal nebula]

Is....all of this just because you lost frag arrows?

[raven totem]

yo I lost my explosive bolts and am pissed, I really want those back

been sad, still sad

[fathom shale]

Except that it is for a lot more than just "avto macros", but you seem to have already convinced yourself with a narrative that fits your view so whatever

[mortal nebula]

Bros having withdrawal symptoms from frag arrows

Been there

I miss em too

[raven totem]

crytek loves stomping on me and my favorite toys, all the time

[mortal nebula]

I was a god with frag arrows

70m mortars

[raven totem]

kick sand in my eyes, call me names, take my lunch monsy and my explosive bolts and said "git rekt nerd"

[neon glacier]

bow or crossbow shot bolt

[uneven flax]

Extraction shooter makers should definitely prioritize compensation systems.

Losing in extraction shooters isnt just time wasted but also player progress. These devs should fucking understand how important it is to give back lost gear due to some bullshit

[mortal nebula]

I don't miss crossbow splodey bolts though

[raven totem]

I do very much

[mortal nebula]

Gunrunner made me fuckin hate that

Double boom bow was awful

[indigo hemlock]

what is it then? is it going to catch dma cheats and undetectable cheats like that?

[fathom shale]

It can

[raven totem]

fuckers just wanna sit in lair, but gun runner is gone now

[indigo hemlock]

how would it do that?

[fathom shale]

Considering it's tracking the actual player behavior, aim patterns and all that

[fierce gazelle]

Maybe the game thinks im that good

[mortal nebula]

Bro if you're so worried about running into cheaters just....don't play I guess? Every pvp game is gonna have its share of cheaters, I don't know why you're so convinced there's a massive population of undetectable cheaters.

[indigo hemlock]

no, it will not. cursor movement is not the same as seeing through walls. All you have to do is not pre-aim your shots through walls and leave your shots and you can still see through walls and will be undetected by the software coming out

[uneven flax]

Oh tony is the same guy who keeps whingeing about Anybrain not catching other cheats.

Friend that is EAC’s job.

[fierce gazelle]

But im not

[upper hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-poor-baby-whining-cry-baby-bad-moms-gif-16978541635915116122

[uneven flax]

Anybrain is an INPUT ANALYTICS TOOL

[neon glacier]

belive in yourself

[raven totem]

well I mean anybrain can ban, but then you have what arc is going through right nowe

[mortal nebula]

Dw I'm not good either and I've been in 6* since the 1896 update lol

[indigo hemlock]

100%

that's all it is.

[raven totem]

beast is lieing, he's pretty cracked

[mortal nebula]

Pffff

Flatterer

[neon glacier]

mr beast?

[opal dawn]

mr beast is cracked at hunt?

[raven totem]

I'm tired

[mortal nebula]

Same

[raven totem]

just trying to decompress after a 12 lol

[neon glacier]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sigma-misterbeast

[fresh fog]

new player, asking for honest thoughts on the Infernal Bundle. I'm tempted but still on the fence

[mortal nebula]

Glide u work tonight?

[fickle marten]

holy entitlement

[raven totem]

ye

[upper hemlock]

Buy what you like its all just cosmetic bro

[uneven flax]

This is your second time complaining about it. Is Crytek not allowed to use other technologies to do completely different things?

Why must you insist that something has to fix problem A when that something is trying to address problem B?

Is problem A the only problem in the world? @indigo hemlock

[mortal nebula]

Dammit

[neon glacier]

baad

[flint jetty]

I'd get one of the bandit ones or the new dlc cuz she prettiii

[dreamy cave]

Collect them all hunters are like pokemon

[neon glacier]

there are better skins

[raven totem]

someof them have fat profiles, and are kinda pay to lose (but not really) and glow in the dark. the specter is bad ass, and the medkit

[mortal nebula]

Off topic, which hunter y'all think gives the best hugs

[fickle marten]

carcass gunrunner

[uneven flax]

Redneck

[raven totem]

Carcus funrunner duh

[upper hemlock]

Well it depends on if Lucy is being paid or not

[indigo hemlock]

lots of reports of anybrain resulting in false positives. it won't catch ESP users, which are the biggest problem in hunt right now in the cheating space.

i would have rather saw the resources used to implement giving us back our hunters killed by cheaters. wouldn't surprise me if they don't want to do this because we'd end up with hundreds of hunters in our roster.

[raven totem]

shes a serial killer

pfft read the lore nerd

[mortal nebula]

So is like

[opal dawn]

That's kinda what hunters are, just killers of some variety

[mortal nebula]

Every hunter

[upper hemlock]

That doesn't mean its not the best hug of your life before she slits your throat

[mortal nebula]

Lol

[neon glacier]

lady maria

[fathom shale]

"hundreds of hunter"

[uneven flax]

Id rather they dont do anything but fix the UI 👍

[fathom shale]

Lmao, sure

[fickle marten]

i genuinely think it’s time to cut your losses

[mortal nebula]

Can you provide proof

[indigo hemlock]

why are there no numbers published by crytek?

[uneven flax]

Im much more annoyed by how little the bounty rewards are instead of dying to cheaters once in a blue moon

[mortal nebula]

This

Bounty needs to be worth something

[uneven flax]

I can cover one loss. But i cant cover the would be gains i didnt get from the piss poor fuckin rewards

[upper hemlock]

Yes dudes^ noticed last night they cut rewards wtf

[raven totem]

ya bounty pays like dogshit, aha needs to fess the fuck up

[mortal nebula]

I also think exfilling with unused dark sight should give you moar money

[upper hemlock]

Actually... I think they are promoting smaller teams.. solo players still get 400% bonus or whatever it is

[dreamy cave]

I agree

[fathom shale]

What numbers? Amount of bans? They have shared those prior, people just don't understand how to use those numbers to understand the actual state of cheating as they compare them to active playercounts which is entirely incorrect

[raven totem]

just solos

[mortal nebula]

Atp diiba I'd just ignore him

[opal dawn]

There's a slight bonus to duos in trios as well

[upper hemlock]

Right, but isnt duos like 200 something %

[mortal nebula]

Like you said earlier he's already convinced himself of a prior narrative

[uneven flax]

Solo rewards are ok but surely solos lose more often than trios. So solos should get even more

[mortal nebula]

Solos def deserve the increase in pay

[fathom shale]

I have done the math before by comparing to estimates of the correct number, amount of unique players in the same timeframe as the amount of bans in the same timeframe, and the number was somewhere below 1% of players being cheaters

I think it was closer to 0.1% IIRC

"But but but that's only the ones they catch!!!" yeah so even if we assumed they only caught 1 out of 5 cheaters it would still be around under 1%

[raven totem]

no last I knew they got rid of that

[uneven flax]

If they can double the base bounty rewards including clues im a happy man

[mortal nebula]

My vote for best hugger is mountain man

[uneven flax]

100 per clue should cover at least consumables and tools

[opal dawn]

To boost engagements I think they should give extracts with bounties more rewards IF they both kill a boss and extract with a bounty token

[raven totem]

well mountain mans really into hairy hugs so you're likely right

[opal dawn]

Y'all sleeping on grandma hugs

[uneven flax]

Isnt that clean sweep accolade? Dont worry you get 25 more hunt dollars.

VERY LUCRATIVE

[mortal nebula]

Shit you're right

[fickle marten]

mountain man canonically kisses boys

[mortal nebula]

Hell yeah

[raven totem]

idk I think grandma is going to stab me grug

[fickle marten]

men, not boys

[mortal nebula]

Even better

[opal dawn]

bruv, I'm arguing to increase this

Just a token? Not lucrative, kill and token? Lucrative

[flint jetty]

That's why he's a bear hunter it has a double meaning

[fickle marten]

my point being he’s a better kisser than he is a hugger

[uneven flax]

No i mean theres an accolade for that. I believe its called clean sweep or something

It does give u more money. 25 i think

Sick joke

[mortal nebula]

I misread that and thought your tag was part of the message

Meowntain man

[opal dawn]

Aha, like that

Ye I agree

[indigo hemlock]

in nov 2025 they reported in a 12 month time span they banned 14,000 cheaters. that's just who they caught using non-DMA cheats probably. you figure the cheaters wipe a lobby, that's 9 kills a game at least. you figure they get 2 or 3 games in an hour. maybe they play for a few hours a day.

At 4 hours/day

72 × 365 = 26,280 kills per cheater/year
26,280 × 14,000 = 367,920,000 kills

[mortal nebula]

Ah but the question was who was a good hugger, not who was a good kisser.

You don't ask Usain bolt how much he can deadlift afterall

[uneven flax]

Everything should at least double.

I have so much money in this game sure. But I watch a lot of streamers and half of them are fuckin broke

[indigo hemlock]

so yes, the likely reason they don't do it is because it would expose how many cheaters there are and how bad it impacts the ingame econony and how many hunters we'd get in our roster, probably would be hundreds or near a thousand for some players.

[upper hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-pd-trudy-platt-amy-morton-gif-24530851

[uneven flax]

Like how do u enjoy the game if u cant even buy a fuckin weak regen

[fathom shale]

You think every cheater wipes every lobby? I thought you thought they wanted to be undetectable

[fathom iris]

does anyone of u like the new fire zombie

[indigo hemlock]

some do, yeah.

[mortal nebula]

Makes me crash out but penny derringer puts him down

[indigo hemlock]

crytek outlines the types of cheaters in one of their blog posts. they aren't all ragers. some are stealth cheaters.

[uneven flax]

Tony speaks like he has access to the game’s full matches 24/7

[fathom shale]

Also idk what this estimation of amount of kills has to do with anything when the context was how many cheaters there really are in the game

[fathom iris]

derringer has become the most valuable tool in the game

[uneven flax]

Like how are yoh making these fuckin assumptions

[indigo hemlock]

wdym? do you think the cheaters fire up the game and sit at the title screen?

[mortal nebula]

Btw this is all cuz he lost a frag arrows

[fathom shale]

But since you insist on throwing in nothingburger math I can provide some real math as well with proper sources

[mortal nebula]

Wild

[fathom shale]

Here’s a look at the supposed cheating problem in Hunt using actual numbers given publicly and some basic math. The main problem when people try to prove there being a problem with cheating using math is that they do not use the correct numbers. You cannot compare shared ban counts to peak player counts as if that shows the ratio of cheaters to legit players. Instead of peak player counts you need the amount of actual unique players that have played in a given time frame and the latest public numbers for this that I can find is from the As The Crow Flies event from 2021. The numbers we can get from it are as follows:

Total unique players during the event: 695 305
(Source)

The event lasted from 24th of March, 2021 to 19th of April, 2021 (the event was extended from the original intended end date of 12th of April, 2021)
(Source)

This gives us 26 days or about 3.7 weeks of event duration where 695 305 unique players played the game. Let’s be generous and round that to 4 weeks to make the math easier even though it turns the math in favor of there being more cheaters, you’ll soon see that doesn’t matter.

Now for the average ban counts from back then. This post from 2021 from one of our previous Community Managers (great post by the way, I recommend reading it either way as it is from someone with years of experience in the industry and who has also worked with anti-cheat teams during that time) shares that bans averaged at about 150 per week.

Now if we run these numbers together:

4 * 150 / 695 305 * 100 = 0,086%

The approximate ratio of banned cheaters to total players back then was less than 0,1%.

[mortal nebula]

HOLY SHIT

fried

[indigo hemlock]

2021 numbers

[fickle marten]

i don’t see why you can’t

[fathom shale]

Yeah?

[indigo hemlock]

what about the numbers i just posted from 2025, from crytek?

[mortal nebula]

Diiba just put your ass in a lunchbox

Took you out to dinner

[uneven flax]

I will install cheats and test the experience for Tony

[mortal nebula]

PFF

[karmic quest]

Accidentally bought 2 2080tis

[mortal nebula]

sli cableeee

[opal dawn]

carry me plz? 😭

[uneven flax]

Got the 4160Titi

[jaunty patio]

Without knowing the individual unique players in a given year the same calculation is impossible

[karmic quest]

They dont have sli

[indigo hemlock]

the game barely had a cheating problem 6 years ago because it wasn't being picked apart as much. it only just started to ramp up at that time, now you can find address space values and pointers on forums updated this week or daily without even needing to log into them.

[fickle marten]

all of this over some mid ass frag arrows btw, just run waxed frags

[karmic quest]

Nvm they do

[fathom shale]

The game still barely has a cheating problem, in fact it never has had a cheating problem

[mortal nebula]

Has anyone tested the effectiveness of sli bridging and dedicating one GPU to lossless scaling?

[upper hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/cod-hackers-cheating-gaming-gif-20053706

[karmic quest]

It works well

But lossless scaling is ass

[fathom shale]

But in the end thinking that won't affect me, all it will do is spoil your own experience

So, your loss

[indigo hemlock]

wdym? crytek said 14k banned nov 2024-nov 2025.

how many kills minimum do you think each account got in a fair estimate?:

[jaunty patio]

How many unique players hopped onto Hunt in that time frame though?

[mortal nebula]

What software would you recommend instead

[neon glacier]

this guy cheating

[karmic quest]

Just dlss or fsr

Or xess

The proprietary solutions

[indigo hemlock]

whats that have to do with it? i'm talking about the hunters killed by cheaters not being reimbursed.

[fathom shale]

Oh wait my bad I did actually have text ready as well for the "What about more recent stats" argument

[indigo hemlock]

not talking about the disparity of cheaters:legit.

[fathom shale]

Even if we assume that the shared player count contained both console and PC players, that PC happens exclusively on PC and that 50% of the player base was on console (although it was likely less than 50%) we still get only 0,17%, less than 1%.

Even if we assume that they only catch a 5th of the cheaters, we get 0.86%, still less than 1%.

Now you might say “but these numbers are from 2021, we’re in 2025 and there are more players and cheaters”. This is true, but you need to keep in mind that there are still way more legitimate players than cheaters. For every new cheater we have at least over 100 new legitimate players as well. The ratio doesn’t fluctuate that much, likely still sitting below 1% even when being generous with the numbers in favor of there being more cheaters than there actually are.

To further prove this, lets again use more numbers that are more favorable to there being more cheaters. Let’s compare the 2021 unique player count numbers to more recent ban amount numbers that have been shared.

Between the launch of 2.0 and this post they shared that they had banned over 2300 people. Since they use the term “over”, lets be generous and say 2400.

Between the date of the 2.0 launch and the date of the blog post, there were 53 days or about 7,57 weeks. Lets again round this up to 8 weeks.

With 8 weeks and 2400 banned people, they banned 300 players weekly on average.

Now if we take the 4 week event from 2021 with 695 305 unique players and 300 weekly bans in late 2024:

4 * 300 / 695 305 * 100 = 0,17%

Once again less than 1%, although the total unique players playing in late 2024 with the launch of 2.0 was likely noticeable higher than we got during the 2021 event bringing the percentage even lower.

There you go

[neon glacier]

diba chill

[mortal nebula]

Diiba stop hes already dead

[indigo hemlock]

it's not console.

[left orbit]

wtffff

[indigo hemlock]

they addressed console separately in the latest post.

there are no console cheats, if you know how the modding scene on console works you can't get online with modded stuff. there's no playstation exploit that allows online play on newest firmware, or even a modded newest firmware.

the only console cheats are the ones from the input bans which only started recently and was only a few hundred players.

[mortal nebula]

All cuz he lost frag arrows once btw

Wild ass hill to die on

[storm flume]

https://tenor.com/4R2A.gif

[neon glacier]

sounds like every games problem , cheaters

[storm flume]

I sus smurfs are bigger issue than cheaters

[indigo hemlock]

so you figure 14,000 cheaters in one year. they each killed 5 players (being really generous here, they obviously killed a lot more). that's 70,000 hunters that should have been given back to the community for time lost.

"fair play"

[neon glacier]

thats a good idea

#game-ideas

[mortal nebula]

Yeah post that shit there

Or like

Send crytek an email

[fathom shale]

Even if we assume that to be the amount of total lost hunters, how many do you think ended up being yours

[mortal nebula]

All 70000 by how he's crashing out

[jaunty patio]

Diiba's point is about the amount of cheaters overall, not kills.
Trying to napkin math kills is impossible

• What kind of cheater are they? Rage hacker that instantly wipes lobbies and gets banned swiftly or toggle-ESP that die sometimes?
• What game mode do they play? Bounty clash cheaters can kill a lot more players in the same time frame
• How much time do they spend in matches? Do they run around and loot or extract quickly to go to the next game?
• How many cheaters in the provided statistic are alt accounts, meaning there's no overlap in the time they were killing?

[indigo hemlock]

i don't pitch ideas for the sake of myself. i do it for the better of the community and the game.

you should reflect on this. most people here are just shutting down great ideas because "it doesn't effect me lol"

[fathom shale]

That is not my point

[upper hemlock]

Its more like you arguing with fellow disorders who are powerless to change anything about it.

If you want to help out the comminuty make a class action lawsuit and take it to crytek for emotional damages

[fathom shale]

My point is that even excluding specifically you, on an invididual level you are barely losing anything that matters to a point where it's fair to question whether or not spending resources on implementing hunter/gear return system is worth it

Except maybe your frag arrows I guess

[mortal nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[indigo hemlock]

none of this matters because assuming 5 kills from each cheater there's at least 70,000 hunters killed that should be given back to players, regardless of whether they were rage hacking, walling, aimbotting, etc. i don't get this logic. dunno why none of the contributor tagged users here are agreeing. kind of weird.

[mortal nebula]

Cuz it honestly isn't that big a deal

[upper hemlock]

Bro i think people have agreed to say you have a point. What would you like us to do friend.

[indigo hemlock]

yeah that isn't a quality of life feature the game should have at all

[fathom shale]

Like again, a system like that would be nice, I'm not arguing that it's bad as it's obviously just a positive thing on paper. But looking at it as a whole with consideration of time and resources spent that could be used for something more meaningful that has more impact on everyone, it falls short quick

[mortal nebula]

OH NO, I LOST $800 HUNT DOLLARS, WHATEVER WILL I DO.

[bitter steeple]

who cares anyway

[jaunty patio]

70,000 Hunters is like half of a day's worth of dead hunters 🤷 It'd be nice if they could make such a system but the work required - ah Diiba's making my point for me.

[indigo hemlock]

none of us are devs on the game so to say the juice isn't worth the squeeze isn't fair.

[mild quiver]

What could possibly be the argument for not implementing a system that refunds losses connected to cheaters? Unless crytek is saying they are not capable or just simply dont care

[mortal nebula]

Id rather they spend their time on something more worthwhile

[indigo hemlock]

it would be equally fair for me to say that they won't do it because it would be bad PR for them and expose how many kills cheaters get.

[mild quiver]

I dont really care either way but it would make sense to have a system like that in place

[neon glacier]

possibly

[indigo hemlock]

No one said its a bad idea 🤣
well, diiba laughed and said "sure" when i said i may have lost hundreds of hunters, which isn't impossible depending on when the cheaters were active considering i played almost every day in the year of the statistics i cited.

[opal dawn]

bruh...

[mortal nebula]

Alright this conversation is terribly uninteresting, I'm gonna go make out with mountain man (gn y'all)

[upper hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-crystal-tissue-kleenex-tempo-stop-crying-gif-15048056

[jaunty patio]

Given how long things like UI changes take and how we've had to have less content last year to make up for the backend work required to fix the game's health, Crytek doesn't seem like a company that can move fast at all. So taking on a project like Hunter reimbursement would mean another event or two of less content, or even longer delays in past promised UI changes like the post-match rework.

[upper hemlock]

Someone on discord didn't validate you? You ok??

[neon glacier]

but then if we had that system imagine how people would always thing theyre losing to cheaters when theyre not just because of that

[fathom shale]

Amount of kills per day is definitely somewhere north of 128,904 based on the numbers from Plowshares and Pitchforks

And since that only tracked people using specific hunters

[jaunty patio]

Ye, and that's only counting people that participated

[fathom shale]

The number is likely closer to like 200k, likely even higher

[indigo hemlock]

yeah, they'll never catch everyone. but when they do catch people it would be better for the player. all the person does is buy another account, anyway. banning them doesn't really help the player in the long run when the cheater is up and running on an alt in no time.

[ornate nebula]

crycloud error???

[indigo hemlock]

at least reimbursement would reconcile the situation a bit with the player and attempt to make them whole again for their time wasted.

[indigo hemlock]

70,000 was being very generous. it's obvious someone doesn't install cheats and only kill 5 players in a year lol.

[mild quiver]

Imo its less about what anybody personally loses, and more about being fair. Its completely logical and fair to say that losses directly connected to a cheater should be refunded in a way. If the cost of implementing such a system outweigh the benefit that would also be logical and fair to say. What is not logical and fair to say imo is that a system that refunds losses connected to cheaters is pointless

[indigo hemlock]

14,000 cheaters
3 games/hour × 5 kills = 15 kills/hour
~6 hours/month total playtime

that’s:

90 kills/month per cheater
1,080 kills/year per cheater

1,080 × 14,000 = ~15,120,000 kills per year

really conservative estimate imo

you couldn't even fit that many hunters on a roster because they only do ban waves once a year, right? lol

[fathom shale]

What is also not logical is to imply that Crytek doesn't do anything meaningful against cheaters while arguing that the anybrain implementation, something that can help combat cheaters before you even end up dying to one, is somehow less meaningful than implementing a loss refund system that based on actual shared numbers would in practice end up refunding only like a handful of hunters to you even within a year and even if you are a super active player

[upper hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx-syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[fathom shale]

Anybrain implementation is much more meaningful for your supposed "cheater problem" than a hunter refund system and arguing otherwise makes me feel like even you don't know what you really want

[indigo hemlock]

it's less meaningful because why wouldn't you want 15 million hunters to be given back to the community every year? especially when the cheater can just buy a new account the next day and the ban wave (probably) won't occur for another 6 months to a year.

[fathom shale]

15 million based on your entirely made up math/estimates

[upper hemlock]

Probably because out of all the hundreds of thousands of hunters hunting... its you here alone on a soap box

[fathom shale]

That are in fact not a conservative estimate

[bitter steeple]

A refund compensation system against cheaters will never happen, move along

[indigo hemlock]

also you can just have ESP on and never get banned if you don't aim your cursor at the player behind the wall. anybrain will never detect it.

[fathom shale]

Not every kill = lost hunter first of all

[upper hemlock]

I think 6 hours a month is verryconservative

[fathom shale]

Cheaters aren't immortal, if they were they are a rage cheater who gets banned almost instantly

So cheaters are not winning every fight and finishing every team

[jaunty patio]

The work required for hunter reimbursement would be quite some data collection. Every single time you kill someone, there would have to be a snapshot of their entire gear, traits, xp amount, etc. and that data would be kept for some specified period of time, for 100% of kills every single day, when cheaters make up below 1% of players. That's a LOT of junk data.

[bitter steeple]

God mode in hunt 🤔

[indigo hemlock]

at least we can agree on one thing, crytek isn't releasing enough numbers about cheaters to provide meaningful data.

[fathom shale]

This is also pointless to argue about in this context, it doesn't make it any less useful for things other than ESP

[jaunty patio]

That's intentional, yeah

[opal dawn]

Seeing how this must be tied to a specific account, they might not even be legally allowed to do this

EU GDPR laws and all

[vagrant moth]

did the game flow improve with the addition of the scout towers

[fathom shale]

Crytek HAS released numbers that have shown the actual ban counts, the issue was the missing context of unique playercounts in that same timeframe

[neon glacier]

[indigo hemlock]

it does imo because the amount of people using ESP trumps people rage hacking and wiping lobbies. you only see the latter a few times a year because it's an instant account throwaway when it gets enough visibility. which is another issue entirely, that crytek doesn't have anything in place to autoban people doing magic bullets around mountains from the other side of the map, but we won't talk about that because it's just sad.

[jaunty patio]

GDPR gets thrown around a lot but it's purely game data, if they couldn't collect it that would mean they couldn't collect the stats necessary for the player profile system

[mild quiver]

This is the acceptable answer imo, ofc such a system would be nice but if its at the cost of other meaningful developments in the game its not worth. Implying that said system is pointless is pretty lame

[placid token]

I have a question. Although it sounds absurd, is it possible for us to restore the original map display through settings?

[fathom shale]

And again anybrain is not for just rage cheaters or such either

[indigo hemlock]

so hire someone that does log analysis.

[fathom shale]

Even subtle aimbot or such can be detected with it, that's in fact the whole point of it for the most part

[upper hemlock]

Original from 1895? Probably not

[indigo hemlock]

it's literally a career.

[bitter steeple]

no

[wicked fox]

Badabing Badaboom

[placid token]

I mean, those burnt-through areas trigger my trypophobia (yes, this is not a joke).

[indigo hemlock]

i guess other games that did it before arc raiders (per diiba) and arc raiders themselves are just log analysis masters if they could pull it off.

[fiery crystal]

id love to see those maps on an OLED monitor

[jaunty patio]

Sadly there's nothing to be done about that except to avoid Inferno maps, similar to arachnophobes dealing with Bileweavers & The Spider. Sucks that you have to go through that though

[upper hemlock]

Let's say it together "crytek sucks" there.... can we get past it now? XD

[fiery crystal]

isnt the game meant to be scary too

the games made me scream a few times

[opal dawn]

It's horror themed

[fiery crystal]

one time i screamed so loud my spouse game running out of the shower thinking someone broke in

[bitter steeple]

HUNT CAMPDOWN

[jaunty patio]

It's much easier to implement things like that as a foundation to the game than to wedge it into a long-running game like this. The resources required are factored in from the start and tradeoffs in other areas get made.

[placid token]

Thank you for your understanding; it means a lot to me.

My friends and I were just on Trio, and I changed the shortcut for opening the map to avoid it, but because I'm used to the new shortcut, I still accidentally pressed it. I almost immediately became uncontrollably hysterical.

It really reminds me of some bad things; I'm already on sedatives.

I mean, this is really awful.

[fathom shale]

I already corrected myself regarding the other games doing it as well if you would actually read my messages (which seems to not be the case considering you instantly pointed out 2021 when I posted my larger analysis like 5 seconds later, clearly before you could even read 2 sentences of it), and I don't see how log analysis is relevant nor something that Rai even implied? Obviously a system like hunter refunding and tracking gear for X time and all that would be entirely automated, Rai was saying there would be a lot of junk data in a system like that due to the fact how little amount of hunters would end up being refunded

[indigo hemlock]

yeah i get the technical reasons why that are foundational but it's a necessary change.

[fiery crystal]

turn the spiders to snakes

that way everyone can be scared

[opal dawn]

I'm not afraid of snakes

I just scream uncontrollably when I see them

[fiery crystal]

LOL

[bitter steeple]

it's a virtual spooder

[fiery crystal]

yu made me LOL

[upper hemlock]

If you can't handle map holes how are you surviving being shot and chased by monsters and spiders and being lit on fire and beeding and the stress of hunt combat all together??
I feel like if you can play hunt you have to work out your "fear of map holes"

[placid token]

You're right, because I wasn't strong enough, so I uninstalled the game.

[upper hemlock]

Your first mistake is telling yourself you are not strong enough

[jaunty patio]

None of those are really connected to psychological triggers that phobias cause, it's a kneejerk reaction to very specific stimuli

[fiery crystal]

man i have the urge to play but i suck too much to subject pugs to my gameplay and dont wanna be a rat

[upper hemlock]

What about overexposure and disensitization overtime?

[placid token]

No, I just wanted to shut you up. I know what the problem is, but I just don't want to cause a conflict.

[upper hemlock]

Sorry friend. Neither do I. I only want to encourage you to believe in yourself.

[bitter steeple]

i been playing this game for 8yrs & still get jump scares

and sweaty palms

[placid token]

Perhaps the internet makes trypophobia sound like a joke, but it does exist, just like acrophobia.

[river slate]

How does that work? I'm not trying to be mean or anything. Only reaction I get is that some things with holes or some sort of perforation is just displeasing to me

[placid token]

But that's not the main issue. U guys Have fun playing

[jaunty patio]

Depends on where someone is in trying to fight a phobia. Trying to play Hunt isn't the best time to test your limits when you just want to have a fun time

[opal dawn]

What's displeasing to you is awful to someone else. A phobia is irrational by nature

[river slate]

I'm trying to understand it

[placid token]

For me, it's like someone who faints at the sight of blood (I'm not sure). In short, I immediately experience physical discomfort, I start vomiting, get hives, and my blood pressure rises.

[upper hemlock]

Try playing without looking at the map! (:
Its possible really just use dark sight and sound cues

Unbound the map button or make it a key thats hard to press accidental

Sorry if unhelpful :/

[river slate]

Oh that sort of thing
Brother of my gf has that type of reaction whenever he sees blood as you described

[placid token]

No, thank you, it won't be useless, I mean, at least we've both tried.

[jaunty patio]

Inferno will be gone on June 9th so if nothing works out at least you'll be able to return then

[tall canopy]

where is that date coming from?

[placid token]

That's unfortunate. I wish him the best.

[mild quiver]

Would enjoy seeing it as a permanent random condition. It would make a good replacement of ash bloom

[placid token]

Yes, thank you, my friend. I'll download it back then.

[mild quiver]

That being said I would prefer to never play on ash bloom again hopefully its permanently gone

[jaunty patio]

June 10th was the end of the event but they changed it to one day earlier, announced in the inferno dev stream.
Even if they plan to make Inferno permanent eventually, they very likely won't do it immediately, like Bileweaver compounds taking a bit to get implemented into the game.

[tall canopy]

ah, i thought it was a confirmed date. i mean so far they did not say if its permanent or not. i sure hope it is, but it coming back later this year would make sense too

[thorny shard]

I feel like I played 6 1/2 hours yesterday and only got the fire map three times. I missed out the first time it was an event so I was really looking forward to seeing it more. hopefully tonight, I’ll get some more after work

[mild quiver]

out of my first 5 games today 4 of them were inferno

rng going to rng

[thorny shard]

send me your luck

I guess I put all of my RNG into duo pistols, huh?

[dusty palm]

bruh went to clash suddenly threw me in a 6 star match, a random team mate and my friend proceed to get head shot and dies at the start of the game what da hell

what the hell is the algorithm doing, last clash game ended in a lost and it decided to threw me to hell

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-die-laughing-gif-24902854

[mild quiver]

Is there a calculator for converting what your current sens is to what the values would need to be for your original sens but on a different fov?

[spark plaza]

amogus

[jaunty patio]

Only kinda. There's a sensitivity calculator for unifying your sensitivities that bases it off of your FOV
https://bloodlineranks.com/hunt-sensitivity
But you'd likely lose your preferred sensitivities for the various scopes by using it

[fair flume]

It unironically kind of is at the start
First time I saw the spider skittering towards me I actually fucking jumped
I still get spooked when I hear a surprise immolator screech at me from 15 feet away too

[neon glacier]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/xaviSREAkF

Poor guy

[left orbit]

clash is trash. lots of lines for spawnkill … and a 6* knows exactly what pixel to shoot for pure prefire kill so…

[left orbit]

"dude paid money for something it did not inspect BEFORE buying"

should be named that way

[fallow topaz]

I like how the burnt pax looks. Idk

[jaunty patio]

To be fair, how many times have you looked down the ADS of a skin in the 3d viewer before clicking purchase?

[fallow topaz]

I usually don't complain about sights in general.

[left orbit]

i don’t, cuz i never care. for reference, i can play vetterli just fine

every skin i bought, i’m fine with

[fallow topaz]

Remember when LeMat point of aim was off?

Petridge farms remembers

Thankfully I used it for the shotgun ammo.

[dusty palm]

Bruh fking pixels?! I know some spots can allow for spawn kill, I thought they patched it last time but I guess its only for long game

[jaunty patio]

I'm the same way but I can understand how someone might discover they have a distaste for the bulky skins after trusting all the other hundreds of skins, there's only two designs that actually change the expected sight picture so far, that pax and the post malone krag silencer

[fallow topaz]

Idk why I thought Vagabond (73c silencer) did too

[neon glacier]

I hate the pax one but whatever its from the battlepass i didn’t pay for the skin alone

[fallow topaz]

Actually any of the silencer skins...

[left orbit]

i’m just exagerating a bit, you get the idea

[dusty palm]

The guy was using vetterli silencer with velocity ammo

Head shot two of my team mate in like 5 sec in game that was the first time I see shit like that

[jaunty patio]

Some of them have different silencer shapes compared to others so you might be right, it's just not something that's too distinctive and in your face like these ones. Vagrant might even give more sight picture for being circular compared to the hexagonal OG frontier silencer, like how most of the Ranger Talon skins don't have the scope mount fixed to the side like the base weapon does.

[dusty palm]

And its like at least 80 meter

[left orbit]

i mean yeah

zero surprise in that

watch your surroundings and all

you’ve got 4 or 5 teams total iirc in clash, spawning around a single boss lair

contrary to hunt where eeeeerm… you get 3rd partied at best

(and no we won’t be talking about 15 players hunt, thank you)

[fallow topaz]

Maybe it's because it's a lower Elo, in bounty hunt there's been a few times almost the entire server is fighting over one random compound while the bounty is being left alone.

[left orbit]

well yes it does happen

but clash makes that systematic and for all teams

that’s where the big diff is

[dreamy cave]

bat rules ez 3 piece on these dumb grunts

[fallow topaz]

Yeah. I mean that's also the point right?

[left orbit]

i would prefer a 3-compound clash tbh 😄

but it is indeed the point

that’s why i say i’m not surprised about spawnkill

[unique trail]

WHEN TWITCH DROPS

[fallow topaz]

Capture the flag
Two compounds next to each other. The team needs to get to the extract behind the enemies compound

Have they even announced any or is this person just having a moment

[left orbit]

yet you gave 3 whacks because your brain didn’t compute what happened

[jaunty patio]

They haven't, but this is the first time they didn't have one in February since like 2020 so it feels like we're behind on TD and people don't know when to expect the next one

[dreamy cave]

yeah lol i didnt expect it to hit the 3rd i was swing happy lol

[opaque locust]

Does anyone know that when will the inferno time of day ends? I mean that like they plan on removing it or they leave it like this forever?

[dreamy cave]

i love the sword but the bat is in first place on my list lol

[fallow topaz]

Probably can expect it when they announce it.

[stark sparrow]

Probably 'till the end of the season

[left orbit]

roh shit. killed a duo. but i traded with both each time lul

vetterli headshots vs romero
spear (1 miss 1 hit) vs vandal melee (2 hits)

ffs XD

[dreamy cave]

https://tenor.com/view/step-brothers-dont-stop-scolding-hey-gif-7445379

[left orbit]

and now the second team is super confused lmao

[hoary pecan]

I need to not stop playing this game so I can be good at all 3 games I'm ghost face in

[astral moss]

If only discord would let me see it.

[hoary pecan]

Age of stars 🥹

[mild quiver]

Since the trade window change shotgun trading feels the exact same but how frequently I trade headshots with someone was reduced for sure. I used to trade headshots with people what felt like every other match now its a pretty uncommon occurrence

[astral moss]

Exactly, best ending.

[hoary pecan]

LIT

All the other ones r mid

Golden order one might unironically be the worst

Put y'all's faith in the dark moon not the erdtree Marika strips those of grace from their lives ✌️

[astral moss]

Yeah + she is dead so no waifu material.

[hoary pecan]

She's a dude

[shell geode]

something something but clearly the frenzied flame ending is the best

it's totally not just nihilism condensed down into its purest form

[hoary pecan]

Something something do you use reddit perchance

OH WAIT YOU KNOW LORE

I take back everything I ever aaid

[shell geode]

lol last year I got insane abt elden ring lore

insane abt elden ring period but yeah

[stark sparrow]

Same

[shell geode]

the frenzied flame ending is the worst I was just making a goofer

[hoary pecan]

Y'all don't know how much I was in the lore channel in the server

[shell geode]

I mean it's a really interesting ending but it's by far the worst for the world bc it's just the end, nothing new could ever eventually come back from it

[astral moss]

But...
You are an horrible person ?

[shell geode]

idk my wife varre seems to think I'm great

[stark sparrow]

Frr

[astral moss]

Like you kill everyone.

[shell geode]

it's really kinda dumb how people want an age of blood ending

[hoary pecan]

Don't even get me into night reign lore idk jack shite about it

[shell geode]

like the point of mohg is that his goal is impossible

the mohgwyn dynasty will never come to pass

but no clearly we need an age of blood ending

[hoary pecan]

Chudwyn dynasty

[astral moss]

Who care he is cringe with his 5k bleed damage.

[scenic plinth]

poopeater best ending

[hoary pecan]

He's a dirty omen

[scenic plinth]

false

[shell geode]

he's the boss of my wife varre be nice to mohg

[stark sparrow]

🙏

[scenic plinth]

hes a normal guy who thinks hes an omen, but at the same time is mega racist towards omen, so he hates himself

[left orbit]

that’s ah… not exactly the full story

[hoary pecan]

I know he beat the allegations but the name stuck

[hoary pecan]

Schrodinger's gender

[astral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-wallpaper-gif-8266287349020874611

[left orbit]

simp

[stark sparrow]

Simp

[astral moss]

[hoary pecan]

I don't choose it for ranni, I pick it because it's the least bad

[astral moss]

Its for Ranni and its the least bad.

Just advantage.

• you got a virtual wife.

[shell geode]

I think we should have an ending where my best friend patches gets control of everything

also how did hunt gen become elden ring gen

[astral moss]

Idk i kill patch in every single Soulsborne.

[shell geode]

Mods ban this guy

Patches is so silly I love him

[astral moss]

But his is a traitor ?

[shell geode]

I think patches should become an open source character and be in every game

You never end up any worse for it, he’s just helping you out

Just in his own way

[astral moss]

I think he is ?

[shell geode]

I think patches should be the next hunter in game

[astral moss]

Just not in bloodborne and Sekiro.

[shell geode]

I mean every game

Not just fromsoft games

[astral moss]

But the blade of the dark moon isn't in sekiro too.

[shell geode]

Also how could you forget about patches the spider in Bloodborne

[astral moss]

(And that's why Sekiro is a fraud btw.)

[tawny depot]

I think we should have more loadout slots before new hunter skins

[left orbit]

[astral moss]

Its true mate, i got the ring.

[left orbit]

ah good. now you give it to me and we can play one game together.

TOGETHAAAH

[astral moss]

You want the ring of my wife ?

[left orbit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eS4_GRNxQM

serpent is in hunt this is next event trailer trust

[scenic plinth]

https://tenor.com/bUph1.gif

[south shore]

Its a great idea because he can be both a hunter AND an event skin for spoder.

[frigid ibex]

Spoiler

[south shore]

Wha

[frigid ibex]

Anyway

[scenic plinth]

its been 6 years

[shell geode]

And he’s also my best friend :)

[frigid ibex]

Still is

Spoiler

[neon glacier]

When are we getting the real hunter

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-plain-doll-doll-hunter-souls-gif-24351576

[shell geode]

Idk whenever we get the squid update

[frigid ibex]

Hunt showdown

[south shore]

He can be part of the collab with your wife too 🥰

[shell geode]

:)

[frigid ibex]

Wrong sticker

[fallow topaz]

Isn't this highwayman?

[south shore]

Oh theres a lamb in his lap

I didnt notice

[shell geode]

yeah there's a lot of varre art with lambs

[fallow echo]

Anyone get codes from stream?

[south shore]

Which ones the wrong one

[tall canopy]

why is it called "hehehe" when cat just mad

[frigid ibex]

Opinion on bow

[astral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/what-have-you-done-winston-john-wick-gif-20034842

[shell geode]

dizz trying to reel chat back into being hunt gen

[hazy crest]

Don’t start

[frigid ibex]

I'm thinking remove movement penalty while drawing or add limb pen

[mild quiver]

disgustingly over tuned. Nothing should be able to 1 shot to the toe

[hazy crest]

I’m unfriending you

[mild quiver]

idc that it takes hundred hands and "only" under 7 meters it should not be possible

Bow users actively get rewarded for having bad aim

[frigid ibex]

I can change

[mild quiver]

It also just completely outclasses the crossbow as medium slot

[astral moss]

Are you the ragebaiter ?

[frigid ibex]

Give me a chance

[unborn cargo]

why are prestige 100 level 100 so bad btw?

[frigid ibex]

Nope

I can run and shoot with xbow. Bow forces me to play defensively which is not really good to apply for all situations

[mild quiver]

how else would you define rewarding players for hitting limb/toe with 150 damage? Imo that is actively rewarding bad aim

[mild quiver]

bow has no movement speed penalty while fully drawn

[hazy crest]

That would be dizz

[astral moss]

Cause bow one shot in the arm at like 9m with HH.

[frigid ibex]

You literally can't sprint while drawing or full drawn

[astral moss]

When cyclone 2 shot anywhere at 50m.

[frigid ibex]

Which you can with every weapon besides levering terminus

[mild quiver]

that is still rewarding bad aim

[astral moss]

Who say hunt was about aim ?

[civic ruin]

Which means you get headshot

lol

[mild quiver]

Its a fps obivously a huge part of it is having good aim

[frigid ibex]

Yeah

[astral moss]

• every weapon kill in 2 shot anywhere so why is bow the stupider ?

[civic ruin]

I'm tired of playing bow and just not being able to move or be a sitting duck

Might work for 3 star andies and bush wookies

[frigid ibex]

Playing bow against people that can aim is the worst

[civic ruin]

Literally

[astral moss]

Like bow is a cqc weapon so it one shot at close range, sound fair to me.

[frigid ibex]

Its literally lowest tier

[civic ruin]

I swapped to playing label spitzer

Just click head

[frigid ibex]

Even crossbow have full mobility

[civic ruin]

my life is easier now

[civic ruin]

this

[astral moss]

Thx Dizz for the free debate about bow btw.

[frigid ibex]

I just wanted hunt topic

I'm gonna walk away now

[whole mist]

Dizz slinking back to Off slopic

[mild quiver]

The fact that he uses asking about the state of bow balance as a form of rage bait basically implies its completely unbalanced

They know its not balanced and think its funny

If I didnt actually enjoy this game I would think its funny too

[hoary pecan]

Bornheim silenced with subsonic ammo

[frigid ibex]

No it's just the hot topic of hunt to keep chats going. In the past just mentioning uppercut would get everyone start talking cause everyone had so many opinions with it.

Right now that's the bow

[mild quiver]

a hot topic because its blatantly unbalanced

[frigid ibex]

This is like the 20th weapon going through a haze

[hoary pecan]

If you're bad it's pretty balanced

I am

[frigid ibex]

I couldn't disagree more but it's the trend to think so

[fair flume]

Rule of thumb for hunt
Literally everything is unbalanced and the game sucks and is terrible

We're gonna keep playing anyway

[hoary pecan]

Tell that to retry

[mild quiver]

how else could you possibly define a medium slot weapon that costs $50 as being anything other than over tuned? that one shots to the toe*

[frigid ibex]

Money is only relevant when it's about the bow is another fun thing

Should make a bow bingo card

[hoary pecan]

Why does the bow one shot but not a bolt action rifle

[mild quiver]

Its not the cost that annoys me its the 150 damage to limb that annoys me

Also probably the majority of players

[frigid ibex]

Its point blank range where it does that

[whole mist]

Rule of Hunt:

1. if you walk past a corner and get killed by a shotgun, shotguns are OP and should be nerfed

2. if you’re out in the open and die to long ammo, long ammo is OP and should be nerfed

🤗

[mild quiver]

It does not matter what range it does it at it should not be possible

[frigid ibex]

It does matter what

[mild quiver]

Nitro literally does not 1 shot to the toe as a 3 slot $1200 gun but bow does

Make it make sense

[whole mist]

Bow 1 shot to leg at 5m shouldn’t be a thing imo

[frigid ibex]

Nitro instead one shots 2.5-3x the distance of bow

[whole mist]

Only nitro should do that

[frigid ibex]

Don't downplay nitro

[hoary pecan]

Everytime you draw the bow there should be like a 1/100 chance to just clip your arm on the string and you take 25 damage to nerf it

[left orbit]

hunt 101

[frigid ibex]

Should also add nitro to the bow bingo card

[mild quiver]

Nothing in this game should be capable of dealing 150 damage to the toe, especially not a $50 medium slot weapon

Its really that simple

[stark sparrow]

“Because arrows are slower than bullets, so it has to deal more damage to compensate”

[astral moss]

Imagine nerfing the bow in big 2026.

[whole mist]

Doesn’t make the bow 1 shot to legs any less annoying tho

[hoary pecan]

Because bread taste better than key

[whole mist]

You eat keys?

[frigid ibex]

You're at a distance where everything should one tap you from romero handcannon price to auto 5 price range

[astral moss]

Not you ?

[frigid ibex]

If we're doing the price argument

[stark sparrow]

I do

[frigid ibex]

And medium to large slot

[frigid ibex]

The complaint is it one taps at 5m

[whole mist]

Not sure if anything should 1 tap to the legs at that range tbh

[frigid ibex]

Well the competitors does as well and more

Bro shotguns?

[hoary pecan]

Idk, I feel like getting shot in the legs with pennies might kill you

[whole mist]

If it’s 100% legs, no

[frigid ibex]

Penny let's you one tap legs that's a fact

[astral moss]

Dizz trying to understand the cope around bow.

[hoary pecan]

Why does sparks do 149 and not like 145 or 150

[frigid ibex]

I'm just tired of making exceptions to make the bow look better than it is

[mild quiver]

which are also insanely inacccurate

[frigid ibex]

If we ignore everything that exists in the game so we can make the bow look better than it's fine

[frigid ibex]

Its very accurate at bow one tap legs range

[mild quiver]

If you cant understand why bow is not balanced, I pray you have no weight in balancing choices

[astral moss]

Its already a fine weapon, let the coper cope.

[whole mist]

Make pennyshot 1 shot to legs at 5, not buckshot

[frigid ibex]

I can assure you that

[hoary pecan]

Dude we can revive each other through magic and you're drawing the line at shotguns killing you at point blank

[hoary pecan]

Make pennyshot 1 shot if it hits you at all from any range

[astral moss]

Crazy statement when you are complaining about a cqc weapon one shoting.

[frigid ibex]

If you're so easily emotional over dying to a particular weapon its also not very healthy for balancing decisions

[mild quiver]

Its not about emotion its about it being clearly unbalanced

[frigid ibex]

Try to think of pros and cons without exceptions

[mild quiver]

No weapon at all should be able to 1 shot to the toe no exceptions

[astral moss]

"clearly"

[frigid ibex]

And ignoring the cons for benefits is not really a good argument. None of the claims are good for the arguments when there's exceptions

[hoary pecan]

Pro is it's quiet, can one tap, can pick up ammo, has many useful ammo types,

Cons, it's kinda slow ig?

[hazy crest]

Dizz the bow is so far from balanced

[mild quiver]

yeah and apparently disagreeing with this logic is emotional?

[astral moss]

The bow hater are everywhere.

[hoary pecan]

Haters*

[mild quiver]

would hate to have your perspective, thankfully I am not a discord mod

[astral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

[fathom shale]

I don't think bow is anywhere near as strong as some seem to think

[frigid ibex]

Yeah my defining character is that I'm a discord mod

See diiba backs it up

We're both mods

[hoary pecan]

I'm bad so it's op, is my logic okay?

[fathom shale]

Fair enough

[mild quiver]

Discord mods are so well known for being grounded in reality for sure for sure

[astral moss]

Mods do something he is coping !

[mild quiver]

not known for being out of touch at all

definitely

[stark sparrow]

And doesn't Hundred Hands basically remove that Con? I kinda forgot what it does

[astral moss]

"Not emotionnal" btw.

[hoary pecan]

Dude you're in the same boat we on discord

[hoary pecan]

Idk bruh I'm ass 😭

[fathom shale]

Dizz I can unmod you to make your opinions have more value don't worry

[frigid ibex]

Worth it

[astral moss]

Can i take his place ?

I am an avto main i would be a great mod.

[scenic plinth]

https://tenor.com/PrRx.gif

[left orbit]

guys guys inferno is out

[hoary pecan]

Israels strongest warrior

[crystal bay]

Surely not

[scenic plinth]

its propaganda

[astral moss]

❔

[fathom shale]

Now I need to actually contemplate and double check if me removing Dizz's mod for the bit for like 1 minute actually causes some issues that I can't solve

[hoary pecan]

"inferno is out-"

[fathom shale]

I don't think it causes any issues but I am still scared

[astral moss]

Dizz got caught in his own ragebait about the bow.

[hoary pecan]

Whose the server owner? Otis Blackwell?

[crystal bay]

It'll bring back the lemat shotgun bug

[frigid ibex]

It was a hunt topic bait from all the off slopic

[stark sparrow]

Why yes

[fathom shale]

Nixa kicked me as a joke once and I lost my member since date, that's the main reason I am scared to joke around with stuff like this

[frigid ibex]

Oh rip its 2022

[left orbit]

we will swarm you. hive bombs. word filter bombs. dubious jokes bombs.

[frigid ibex]

Didn't notice that changed

[hoary pecan]

4 hive bombs

[fathom shale]

Actually I don't remember if the 2022 date is from when I left myself or from Nixa

Those were the only two times I left the server

[frigid ibex]

I'm OK with blaming nixa

[left orbit]

why meme removed

[frigid ibex]

I tried to remove one part

Not the gif

[left orbit]

it’s not modmail it’s modfail

[fathom shale]

modjail

[crystal bay]

Someone pay Dizz's modbail to spring him

[left orbit]

is that a reverse jailbrake?

[frigid ibex]

Jail for mods

[left orbit]

spring mentioned. gotta play springfield dum dum and hear people bleed to death with a delay.

[crystal bay]

Springy dumdum + FF is pretty fun

[left orbit]

W

[frigid ibex]

I need to remove my gpu and swap places with my m2s but im really not in the mood

[crystal bay]

You should hop on deadlock instead

[left orbit]

you’re absolutely right! just play dirt rally 2.0 instead

[crystal bay]

(I am at school, don't do it)

[frigid ibex]

I need to do that to play deadlock

Wow baited

[crystal bay]

rip

[frigid ibex]

🥀

Dying to a player

[jolly parcel]

nagant pistol and romero should just be made into perma free weapons

[fathom shale]

Detaching my GPU is probably in my top 10 of least favorite activities, I have a big noctua cpu cooler so to reach the latch on the PCIE slot I need to use a screwdriver to push it which risks me slipping and breaking the motherboard every time

[mild quiver]

mmr is only reduced or increased by who you kill and who you die to not winning or losing

[crystal bay]

Shoutout to when romero was 26 and basically free

[frigid ibex]

Yeah stuff like that makes me not want to fiddle around

[stark sparrow]

26!? In this economy??

[jolly parcel]

imagine a first aid kit costing $30 in 1896

[fathom shale]

I need to get an AIO cooler just for a peace of mind when I need to detach my GPU

[still totem]

That’s an entire mortgage payment

[frigid ibex]

My gpu and it's uhh like the arm thing holding its weight is blocking my m2-2 slot

[left orbit]

GPU stand

that thing

[frigid ibex]

Yes

[fathom shale]

Or an actual bracket? The stands usually aren't really in the way and easily removed

[frigid ibex]

My toolbox is also at my brothers apartment

[crystal bay]

Twas so good

[frigid ibex]

Its taking a lot of space under the gpu

For me

I only have a tiny screwdriver for m2 screws at hand

[left orbit]

i have a plan: steal you brother’s apartment, move to it, then do him a brainwash so that he thinks he lives at your -now old- place. then the toolbox will be usable again. ez.

[frigid ibex]

Good plan

He has better Internet than me

[fathom shale]

Mine is a tiny little support beam, and yes I should clean inside my PC again at some point

[dusty gorge]

play solo for an extended period

[spark plaza]

amogus

[jolly parcel]

playing this game with an eyepatch is a trip

[dusty gorge]

you have to lose badly a few times and solo necro and have a new person kill you cause mmr system is punishing u for dying to lower MMR people more than its rewarding you for killing lower MMR people

[whole mist]

https://tenor.com/view/husky-dirty-alaskanhusky-gif-12506265

[crystal bay]

Try playing it with two eye patches

[jolly parcel]

ill let you know how that goes

[crystal bay]

🫡

Best of luck

[raw harness]

how many times do i have to report cheaters in 6*?
It's the worst state right now.

[paper anvil]

Maybe i should try to play solo more

[left orbit]

4th immolator in a 50m^2 region… please someone kill me

[jolly parcel]

get video evidence

[paper anvil]

Cuz for the last 150h of 250 i have in hunt,i don't think i went solo more than 2 times

[jolly parcel]

me with 4000 hours in hunt and only like 2 matches played in soul survivor

[raw harness]

how if there is no replay and the fight is over?

[frigid ibex]

Which gpu is it

[jolly parcel]

make sure to die to them first and spectate idk

its how ive gotten cheaters banned before

[fathom shale]

5080

[ashen flume]

Im 14 right..am I very young for a hunt player because I cant find anyone my age or under 16 who plays it

[frigid ibex]

The super big gpus scare me, ever since I saw vlads PC get bent

And I have one of them

[empty eagle]

I also have the tiny kickstand on mine lol

[frigid ibex]

I'd buy the biggest weight support

[scenic plinth]

my pc sleeps on its side, so no sag

[frigid ibex]

Side?

Wait like flat

[scenic plinth]

yes on its side

[frigid ibex]

Damn

What about the mb

[scenic plinth]

its fine, there is a gap anyways inside the case

[ashen flume]

Guess it dont matter

[left orbit]

indeed it don’t

especially when you can find 40yo less mature than some 15yo

[granite acorn]

any idea what it may be?

[frigid ibex]

Legendary weapon skin name

[crystal bay]

Bug

[granite acorn]

damn

[ashen flume]

But still..my age impacts most LFGs i reckon I always need to mention im 14 but that also kinda makes people not want to join the lfg

[ashen flume]

Mouthful of a weapon name

[left orbit]

why do you mention your age?

[granite acorn]

yep

[ashen flume]

Because any time i play with someone I never do again..they usually say "sorry but you're to young I prefer playing with people my age" which is understandable but fucking sucks

[left orbit]

humpf

[ashen flume]

Humpf indeed

[left orbit]

maybe your age is not what bothers them and it’s something else 😂 maybe you’re too "bubbly" for us "grown ups" who became embittered from the torments of life

😭

[ashen flume]

Quite the opposite, i never flow with conversations..I think its grown ups who are too bubbly

[left orbit]

mmmh. maybe we should have a game together and i’ll tell you XD

[raw harness]

but this show never there sight and gameplay. i know about these. it wont help. we need replay asap

[left orbit]

@stark sparrow the fuck is that emote for? XD

[ashen flume]

Torments of life..are you referring to taxes or your PCs that cost 4k and the masses of debt most grown ups have amounted over the years

[stark sparrow]

Idk

[left orbit]

pffffrrt that amongst many other shits XD

[stark sparrow]

I'm old, I don't know nothing

[ashen flume]

What like paying off a mortgage?

[stark sparrow]

[left orbit]

ain’t all about money

[ashen flume]

Alot of its about money

[fathom shale]

@ashen flume While you are allowed to be on the server since discord is 13+, please stay safe and do not reveal your age publicly that openly. There's a bunch of creepy people on the internet and we have had to deal with some of them

[ashen flume]

Is that a rule or a suggestion

[left orbit]

that tru

[fathom shale]

Suggestion, like I said you are allowed to be here since you are above 13

[neon glacier]

bradar

[fathom shale]

Just saying for your sake

[ashen flume]

Ehh..ill watch my back on here its fine..thanks though

[neon glacier]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-67

[left orbit]

FIKF FEFEN

i hope this cat is doing well and is loved

or has been doing well and was loved before life abandoned him/her, should that be the case

also, dead tchat

[neon glacier]

i hate cats

[left orbit]

next level: wipe server with dusters. +2 Trillion hunt dollars.

[urban steppe]

krill issue

[left orbit]

i could show you a clip recorder by our enemy that singlehandedly wiped us all with a bomb launcher.

i have to spinup my backup disk 😭 tomorrow

[urban steppe]

Idk how they didn't think to bumrush the romero user

you could only 1 tap one of them

if all 3 came

[sour marsh]

I have no clue where to check owned skins, any idea because I dont want to cycle through every gun checking

[left orbit]

many players simply don’t play together… a coordinated trio is a death sentence for a solo

[stone basin]

Please crytek just add wildcard

[crystal bay]

what wildcard

Inferno?

[urban steppe]

yeah

[stone basin]

Yes let me just play inferno I dont want to play the regular maps I want to have fun

[fathom shale]

There is no way to view all owned skins

[sour marsh]

Well I will be back in 20 decades

[urban steppe]

lowkey why I always run romero talon

if people try to bumrush me

I turn a corner and hold down heavy melee 😆

[left orbit]

that’s how i discovered there was a talon variant for the romero.

by having one planted in my skull.

[urban steppe]

lowkey funny this has saved me

so many times

romero talon officer brawler combo..

[left orbit]

i just take a big FHATTT hammer

[urban steppe]

lets you easily 1 v 3

enough shots and melee options to drop a trio

without reloading

tru

[frigid ibex]

I thought you played silencers

And traps

[urban steppe]

not after the nerf

[frigid ibex]

And concertina bombs

Oh I need to get updated

[urban steppe]

only silencer I run now is silenced maynard

the rest are lowkey garbage

after the nerfs

[fathom shale]

I scream in voip to mask out my gunshot sounds, kinda like that one tutorial video showing how to open velcro silently

[frigid ibex]

Kinda funny how something is clearly better than the rest.
First it was vetterli and then krag and now uh Maynard silenced

[dusty gorge]

vetterli stays up there a bit

[fathom shale]

No need for a silencer

[urban steppe]

can't 1 tap guys missing a bar

useless

if you down someone and can't instantly put them back down

that's an issue if you are running silenced guns and camping a body

imo

[left orbit]

base vett can

[urban steppe]

yeah

but the silenced one can't anymore

[left orbit]

ah y’all talking about silenced

yeah