hunt-general

[lofty sinew]

I mean sounds rough. I guess i feel like solo is supposed to be rather than a thing that is meaningfully balanced vs teams. is it too much? eh. i guess i don't feel particularly strongly either way

idk how you would not make it affect solo most without just removing both

[astral moss]

Did i play enough for you ?

[dawn surge]

one time i got hanged man was right there.

like, if anyone knows kingsnake

[astral moss]

I am not solo, but random are useles.

[dawn surge]

you know its a huge open abyss around it

so even if i try to escape they can very easily shoot you

[astral moss]

Like yeah just give up when you got chariot and had a fight before that.

[dawn surge]

best to hunker down, especially if ur using a CQC weapon

like me for example when i was trying to use a bow lol

[fringe lance]

I see…I have a lot of trouble hitting these close quarter shots (10-20m). I really wanna figure out how much I need to lead those shots but it seems like nobody wants to play shooting range and the game doesn’t have moving dummies🫠

[dawn surge]

at 10-20 meters you won't need to lead

[lofty sinew]

in a game focused on team play it is hard for them to avoid adding things that support team v team play without negatively affecting solo. and i don't really want them to not add things that support team play just because it affects solos more honestly

but like most things i don't much mind if they are both changed or removed

[dawn surge]

don't get me wrong

stuff like chariot and hanged man is 10 times less problematic than fucking blademancer

[astral moss]

With the extract point being random its the same.

[lofty sinew]

for most guns this is just a thing you learn slowly as you use it over time, for each gun / velocity really. don't sweat it too much. just experiment a little and particularly with guns like winfields with a lot of ammo and relatively high rate of fire.. just shoot more. it's fine to miss

[astral moss]

Like i rarelly got 2 point beside the other one.

[dawn surge]

just a minor annoyance, but nothing gamebreaking

blademancer during PM event...horrible

torture, pain

the silenced meta event

[granite acorn]

Whats the best prestige reward? Im lv 2 and i dont know if xp or skin is better

[dawn surge]

skin

always

[granite acorn]

wouldnt PD give me faster prestige?

[dawn surge]

always pick the skin option when its available

you only get a limited amount of skins

later prestiges you don't get the option anymore

[lofty sinew]

if you intend to keep prestiging the xp is nice to make it faster but if you like the idea of getting new skins just do skins when you get the option

[dawn surge]

so pick it now

[granite acorn]

Okay

[dawn surge]

skins always cuz you could get something nice

[dawn surge]

thats very nice!

[granite acorn]

looks nice

Thanks for help 🫡

[dawn surge]

no problem

[lofty sinew]

lol the shocker skin. nice one

[dawn surge]

i got red riding hood in the twitch drops

[lofty sinew]

i got the most some-fuckin'-guy skin of all time in the most recent twitch drops

[granite acorn]

Is infanty nice weapon btw?

[lofty sinew]

so intensely some fuckin' guy that i don't remember their name or anything about them aside from that they look like they are wearing a fake, glued on mustache.

[dawn surge]

its a good rifle

[granite acorn]

i used vertelli before

[dawn surge]

Infantry is a strong fast-firing weapon

but its compact so it has limited range

[lofty sinew]

like any gun, it can be good. it is not a bad gun. but it is also not an overtly strong one.

[dawn surge]

back in my day we called it the winfield muh muh muh...

[lofty sinew]

i still do. the name change was dumb

and they should revert it

[dawn surge]

it works with levering too

since its a lever-action gun

[turbid dock]

why

[dawn surge]

Winfield sounded cooler

its also been called the Winfield since 2018

so we've been calling it winfield for over 7 years

[lofty sinew]

exactly

the change improved nothing and was entirely pointless as far as i can see.

it was changing something just for the sake of changing it

[turbid dock]

not at all

did you ever try telling a new player the difference between a Winfield M1873C and the M1873C Vandal and the Winfield M1873L or the Winfield M1876 Centennial

[lofty sinew]

you mean the winnie c and the winnie shorty?

it's not exactly complicated

[dense girder]

Who the heck calls the Centennial "Winfield M1876" tho?

No one

Lol

[wheat pilot]

Why do people use slugs on the Le Mat? I've been seeing that pretty often and I don't get why. Wouldn't buckshot be the best for close quarters? Slugs are obviously better at longer ranges but why would I want that when I already have 6 normal rounds.

[turbid dock]

there was a reason for the change and it's not that it was too complicated for multi-hundred hour players

[turbid dock]

it was what new players read

because it was what the weapon was called

[lofty sinew]

I refuse to believe this was an important new player onboarding thing.

[dense girder]

Yeah, and they'd proceed to just calling it Centennial lol

It really isn't that deep

[turbid dock]

you do you

[dense girder]

Name change was pointless

[dawn surge]

Winnie Vandal
Winnie C
Winnie
Centennial

[lofty sinew]

those poor confused newbies. but which one? which one is which? that's it i'm off to fortnite

[dawn surge]

regular lemat or the carbine

[turbid dock]

"the centennial? which one is that? I only see uuh winfield uuh M something something... what did you say, 73? i see 73 here... no, not that one?"

[dense girder]

Did you have the problem of not being able to differentiate them?

[lofty sinew]

apparently i am vastly overestimating the intelligence of the average game player

i suppose it wouldn't be the first time

[turbid dock]

you guys are infuriating

[wheat pilot]

I think I've been seeing it on the carbine more often but I'm pretty sure I found the regular one with slugs too recently

[turbid dock]

i actually played with new players a lot, still do

it was a real problem for them

the change massively simplified the process of just... seeing which weapon is which

[dawn surge]

i think a big problem the game had was naming the skins of the guns instead of the actual gun names

that i knew for a fact was confusing new players

[turbid dock]

yup, that one too

good change

[lofty sinew]

somehow, even when i started the game and knew nothing, I didn't find it at all confusing. And yet mensa have not yet contacted me about membership

[dawn surge]

i'm an old man (hunt-wise) so my knowledge isn't up to date with hunt but generally slugs are much more reliable on the lemat pistols due to the actual buckshot being poor to use

[turbid dock]

good to hear you have many experiences to draw from

[dawn surge]

the odds of killing a player with buckshot is unreliable

[wheat pilot]

As in, the buckshot has such short range that you need slugs even in close quarters?

[lofty sinew]

eh i would expect lemat slug to be less reliable than buck and personally never put slug in a lemat

[dawn surge]

for the lemat pistol, but again i know they change buckshot and slugs constantly

[fathom shale]

Yeah slugs are a bit meh ever since they buffed buckshot across the board

Even on the lemat pistol

[dawn surge]

some people just prefer the single shot kill guarantee if nothing else

[lofty sinew]

the slug is far from a garauntee

[dawn surge]

good i fucking hated them in their prime

/s

also i assume slugs on the homestead is 15 meters due to the long barrel

[lofty sinew]

i wouldn't ever waste money on putting slug in a lemat anyway

[rapid crystal]

now we have 4 same weapons but with different names lol. i wonder how you would explain that to a new player

[lofty sinew]

homestead can 2 tap to 40m with slug apparently, though i am sure if i tried it it would let me down

[dawn surge]

i remember old slugs 2-tapping me up to 50 meters

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mad-angry-cat-corner-gif-12553724565950260937

i do not miss those days

on top of the very easy 15m 1-shot

are slugs in a good state now? eh probably not

but i certainly don't want them to be like their day 1 version

[lofty sinew]

i still see them a bit, and they still kill obviously

i just don't think there are many solid arguments for using them

[rapid crystal]

they feel more like an option rather than must have

[dawn surge]

which is good

[rapid crystal]

yes

[dawn surge]

i don't want custom ammo options to be objectively better

[lofty sinew]

haha i have bad news

[dawn surge]

old nitro shredder
old slugs
old high velocity etc

[rapid crystal]

i want new stuff badly

[lofty sinew]

what kind of stuff

not weird little spiders or tarot cards apparently

[rapid crystal]

just anything to play with

[dawn surge]

i surprisingly like the scarce weapons

[raven rune]

blade mancer but for throwable melee tools in the world

[rapid crystal]

tools, weapons, consumables (permanent)

[lofty sinew]

eh. when new weapons are things like maynards and 1865 carbines it does nothing for me

i'm not gonna use em

[rapid crystal]

but you never know untill it's added

[dawn surge]

i think the game is in a state where we have too many weapons

something like the tarot cards are fine

i don't want more useless variants like the mosin carbine or whatever the heck it was

[lofty sinew]

i think choice is fine and it's fine to add guns that are just.. different but not better or worse than any other existing gun

[rapid crystal]

they are cool but not permanent and most of them are just copy paste of old traits

[dawn surge]

yeah but hanged man, chariot and the magicians are cool ideas

[raven rune]

i think the guns are already kinda oversaturated. more quest objectives would scale better as new content. like the relatively new high value bases in the center of the maps is good

[dawn surge]

i'm always in favour of new traits however

i like traits

[rapid crystal]

they are fun indeed

[dawn surge]

but if we want more guns, i want more pistols

[lofty sinew]

they need to make pistols more relevant if they do that

nerf QM

scarce it. whatever'

sounds a bit suss. because of the.. implication.

[rapid crystal]

ok i should correct myslef - i would love to see more pistols and utility type of weapons like chu ko nu or bomb launcher or pocket crossbow

[dawn surge]

i actually want to never see weapons like the cho ko nu again

[whole furnace]

#game-ideas message
Read and weep :V

[dawn surge]

spammy, annoying pathetic annoying spammy explosivey annoying AAA

STOP GIVING ME CHALLENGES FOR IT

Its an annoying weapon and i like nothing about it, i don't like using it, i don't like dying to it, and i don't like challenges on it

[indigo jewel]

what are the benefits to using the mosin match over obrez or normal

[dawn surge]

[dawn surge]

4 more damage

[low raptor]

next event will be like "The Artist" instead of "The Empress"??

[rapid crystal]

have same feeling towards bow

[lofty sinew]

i have no problem with either gun existing. they just do nothing for me. aside from supressed maynard. that one can go in the bin.

[dawn surge]

great input

[dawn surge]

at least u gotta pull the arrow back so somewhat of a weakness, but yeah bow can be annoying to die to

[indigo jewel]

so it just a worse version on the normal mosin ?

[whole furnace]

Fair enough :p
Joke was just I suggested another "non-addition" kind of gun lol

[dawn surge]

you can hate something even if its bad

i also think its the worst weapon

doesn't mean i'm supposed to like it

its an annoying little turd of a weapon

[lofty sinew]

i mean a single shot compact rifle should exist. give it a new ammo type, compact spitzer. make it the fastest bullet in the game.

[dawn surge]

i fucking hate Zangief and he was terrible for 3 games in a row...

[rapid crystal]

you need to reload chu ko nu as well lol

[whole furnace]

Actually didn't wanna give it HV, bc I do think that would make the weapon less interesting.
Like the balance between best bullet drop in the game, but not 100% the MV to support it.

[rapid crystal]

worst weapon is flaregun

[lofty sinew]

eh i just wanna shit on long ammo meta tbh

[rapid crystal]

you can shoot it so it's a weapon

[dawn surge]

anything that nerfs long ammo indirectly is a plus

well.

specifically the mosin

[lofty sinew]

i think flaregun is much better than chu ko nu.. you can tell because people actually use it

[rapid crystal]

they are not using it to kill people

CKN does explode barrels too

[lofty sinew]

some people certainly are. but i didn't say better weapon specifically for that reason.

[whole furnace]

We all do, but still, rather bring long ammo down to a balanced state instead of making everything busted lol

[dawn surge]

i really don't think u can tbh

long ammo is just fundamentally stronger from a design perspective

[indigo jewel]

what do u guys consider still new to the game in terms of hours

[low raptor]

long ammo = wallbang

[dawn surge]

Berthier my beloved

Mako too

Martini as well

Sparks is fine too

[low raptor]

sparks is good

[dawn surge]

it really is just the fucking Mosin and Krag that are the problem

buffing the krag to 126 and giving it more ammo was a mistake

[low raptor]

I need to try playing krag silenced

[indigo jewel]

i see more lebels than mosins

[lofty sinew]

if you remove both of those you will just have everyone using berthier

[rapid crystal]

i used to love krag before it became meta

[lofty sinew]

and lebel

[indigo jewel]

i do

[low raptor]

lebel cheaper

[whole furnace]

100-250 hours is where I feel most people are finally learning the flow of the game.

[lofty sinew]

yeah do not at all believe in seeing more lebels than mosins. has to be confirmation bias

[low raptor]

I haven't learned even after 300 hours

[dawn surge]

I can excuse the lebel for having a weaker rate of fire than both the mosin and krag and a really slow reload with bad ammo economy

[lofty sinew]

unless you mean like, i've seen 7 lebels and 4 mosins and i have been playing for a 100 hours or something

[dawn surge]

i remember when it was common to see 6 mosins, 9 uppercuts, a lebel and maybe a rival for funsies

[dawn mantle]

oh my god you know what

I bet you the hanged man triggers whatever cheat they have that tells them they're being spectated

[whole furnace]

New tarot card idea: Get a resupply of bullets, but take 10 damage for every bullet gained.

[indigo jewel]

in all my lobbies in the past week ive seen a lebel every game

[rapid crystal]

i see bows alot more often than mosins and i hate em alot more than mosins

[dawn mantle]

Not a thing anymore or?

Cause I know it was a thing a year ago.

[dawn surge]

Compact ammo users

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[lofty sinew]

you're in some weird lobbies from the sound. more bows than mosins. wild.

[dawn surge]

also

just reminder

you might be seeing more of X weapon cuz of challenges

like the bow

[rapid crystal]

eu 4-5 star lobbies. and i barely meet mosins honestly

[indigo jewel]

officer carbine still one of my favs

[lofty sinew]

compact is still usable if your aim is cracked

i mean it's usable anyway

usable is a low bar

[dawn surge]

we're at a point where all ammo types are relatively decent so

the medium ammo buff was good

long ammo is still the best but not by a huge margin anymore

[indigo jewel]

vetterli buff was nice

[lofty sinew]

sounds nice

[dawn surge]

before the compact ammo + levering trait compact ammo was so pathetic that 3 shots were common

[median musk]

With dolch

[indigo jewel]

ive gotten more avtos then regular mosins lmao

[median musk]

And spitzer

[lofty sinew]

i play all brackets and see mosin on the regular. not all. a lot of everything really. but in the sweaty lobbies it's a lot of mosin and krag

little bit of berthier (man it's weird when you play the same people enough you start to remember their loadout preferences)

[dawn surge]

i still think Berthier is fine, don't know why they buffed it

[indigo jewel]

what servers do u play on

[rapid crystal]

i played in 6 star lobbies but i barely met any players since everyone just sitting in bushes... so i can't even tell what they using. it was most boring time i ever had in hunt

[lofty sinew]

oce

[indigo jewel]

i see

[median musk]

Yes

Thats the main reason I sometimes play in NA

More weapon variation in 6*

[indigo jewel]

for me 6* is slates every single game without fail

[dawn surge]

slates?

interesting choice

[torpid sedge]

i am stuck in 5 Star hell

[spring mauve]

unironically i sometimes run blast sense in 6* lobbies just for that shit lol

[dawn surge]

you should stay there

[indigo jewel]

ill go in a game rn and find someone using a slate

[dawn surge]

its more fun in 5*

[lofty sinew]

i see slate a fair bit. isn't spectre basically the same but better value for money now

[torpid sedge]

its just close enough to MR6 and i get them a lot

[dawn surge]

yes, funny how the opposite used to be true

[torpid sedge]

id rather be MMR 4 or 3 as i have not playe in years

[rapid crystal]

oh lol! i thought i was unlucky with my lobbies

[torpid sedge]

my biggest problem with shotguns are slugs

[dawn surge]

slate has a cooler design so slate wins

[indigo jewel]

add slam fire to the slate and marathon :)

[torpid sedge]

unless they nerfed them i remember them being cancer

[spring mauve]

most people that play like that dont know how to play vs aggressive play though so thats usually what i go for anyway

[lofty sinew]

i only really see slugs in noob canons regularly (auto 4 auto 5) and still not sure why those people choose slug

[rapid crystal]

5 star lobbies are the toughest on eu it feels

[dawn surge]

they haven't been obnoxious for a while now thankfully

old slugs was a fucking nightmare

[lofty sinew]

yeah i don't understand that

[dawn surge]

Rival slugs+uppercut and then you had Crown with slugs

[rapid crystal]

slate is still nice with slugs

[dawn surge]

I know i just said i don't like seeing long ammo anywhere but ho-lee fuck was day 1 slugs annoying

same with Nitro shredder before it got nerfed

why yes i love being 1-shot across...how many meters?
and it went through brick?
and it applied a heavy bleed?

[rapid crystal]

i wish for nitro pen bug to be fixed lol

[torpid sedge]

wait so slugs where nerfed a white back?

[rapid crystal]

so.... what the numbers mean?

[dawn surge]

its a multiplier of damage when it goes through x amount of walls i imagine

[rapid crystal]

then what is brick wall

[dawn surge]

yep

[torpid sedge]

what the hell is 6 than

[dawn surge]

probably multiple walls

[rapid crystal]

they why nitro oneshots through brick but not a single sheet of metal????

[indigo jewel]

valid loadout?

[rapid crystal]

EXACTLY

unless they fixed it

cuz i didn't test since this update dropped

[granite blade]

missing shredder

[rapid crystal]

that is kinda odd

[night stratus]

guys where can i find the old graph where you can see player concentration in each mmr rating i cant find it anymore

[rapid crystal]

wonder why they did that

[night stratus]

ah damn it

[dense girder]

The vast majority of players are 3*

[rapid crystal]

mmr doesn't make any sense now

[night stratus]

just reached mmr 6 i wonder how that works

[rapid crystal]

i doesn't

[night stratus]

yea its getting weird

[rapid crystal]

i played solo and got to 5 stars, my friend played with me 1 match and killed 1 peson and got from 3 to 5 stars as well. then each game i kill multiple people and die like 0-1 times and drop to 3 stars in 2 games. my teammate who dies like 4 times and kills up to 4 people on a good run sits at 5 stars for a week already

it seems like all my kills go into his mmr

doesn't make any sense to me

[teal narwhal]

MMR goes down more if you get downed by lower MMR players

[night stratus]

for me too kinda i kill way too many people and i struggled climbing from mmr5 to 6

[rapid crystal]

the problem is - we play vs 5-6 mmr players

and im 3 star

permanently

so this whole system is broken

[rapid crystal]

honestly 4 star lobbies are more fun

so i don't mind my low mmr

i just don't get it how it works

[astral moss]

Are you playing with 5-6* ?

[dawn surge]

old system wasn't perfect either tbh

it was pathetically easy to derank yourself

[rapid crystal]

as solo im vs 3-4 stars and as duo vs 5-6

[dawn surge]

there was also just a stark difference between 4-5 stars and old 6 stars in the old mmr

[wheat pilot]

if you only play with other good players of course you are gonna feel average

[dawn surge]

old 6 stars was just fuckin cringe

[astral moss]

That's doesn't answer my question.

[astral moss]

And its still cringe.

[rapid crystal]

it does cuz i literraly wrote that above. my teammate got to 5 stars

and sitting there

[dawn surge]

kinda less cringe now cuz there's a lot more 6 stars

but ye, still cringe

[astral moss]

Then he is 5* ?

[rapid crystal]

yes

[astral moss]

Then you play against 5-6, look logic to me.

[scenic plinth]

now the problem becomes 'is he the above average player 6 star or literal top 50 global players 6 star'

[rapid crystal]

#hunt-general message

[dawn surge]

https://tenor.com/view/huntshowdown-gif-26584341

[scenic plinth]

well put all the 6 stars on a big rocket and send them to the sun

[mild flower]

this is missing 3 concertina traps, 2 poison traps and a beartrap at his feet.

[wheat pilot]

Is it possible to climb in mmr if you play with someone who is lower mmr than you? My friends aim kinda sucks to be honest, but I don't have anyone else to play this game with.

[mild flower]

most 6 stars are probably "fake 6 stars"

sadly, with such an mmr system, that's the kind of playstyle it rewards if you wanna climb. whatever lets you get the most downs and get downed the least

[rapid crystal]

traps feel too good when they work but they are most unreliable playstyle

[mild flower]

nah then people will just resort to sniper ratting

id rather just remove or rework mmr entirely

yea it didnt really fix it though

they just added more variables

[rapid crystal]

mmr should include successful extractions with bounty

[mild flower]

i don't have a problem with trapping, personally. Just watch where you step. it fits the game quite well

depending on how the traps are placed or how enemies are baited into them, they can definetely be an expression of skill

but most people who just mindlessly place traps on doorways and leave them there, sure yeah no thats not really expression of skill

[dawn surge]

the ever reliable 1 trait vigilant

[wheat pilot]

Wait it doesn't? Kills and deaths are the only thing that matters?

[rapid crystal]

true. but i feel sad that it's practically dead playstyle. i barely see any traps (which is good for me ngl) and if i see - they are super predictable and easy to notice

[mild flower]

most of the no-thought traps are pretty easy to avoid though..
especially with vigiliant, but that's not even necessary

[dawn surge]

remember when it used to be 5 meters

[torpid sedge]

and people fucking say MMR5 does not face MMR6 another team was also all MMR6 my whole team was MMR5

[rapid crystal]

it used to be! idk about current mmr rework

[astral moss]

Nobody say that.

[fathom shale]

Yeah I can't remember seeing anyone say that either

[teal narwhal]

mmr5 meeting mmr6 players is normal

[astral moss]

Once you are 6* you are trap in the mmr hell.

[fathom shale]

If anything expecting there to be 6 brackets for every star rating in every region is having your expectations too high

[teal narwhal]

and to be expected

[sage obsidian]

I see 3 stars if I play late enough.

[fathom shale]

Pretty sure even EU which is the most populated region has at most like 4 brackets

Meanwhile if you go to SA or OCE you have like 2

[mild flower]

i kinda wish repeat kills gave less mmr, unless they already did that. the fact you can [or used to be able to] grind mmr by just killing someone over and over as they get revived is kinda wacky. old necromancer made that even worse lol

[astral moss]

I don't see why extract and bounty should give mmr.

Like mmr is for pvp not pve.

[mild flower]

oce has 2 at most. that's generous.

[mild flower]

because thats the objective of the game

[astral moss]

Depend on people.

And #hunt-general message

[dawn surge]

old necromancer made deranking so easy it was very exploitable

[fathom shale]

But how is it relevant to player vs player performance?

[astral moss]

Grunt don't need mmr, do you understand me ?

[sage obsidian]

Not really a reflection of skill tho is the problem

[dawn surge]

a single game could knock you down from 5 to 3 stars if you died a lot of times

intentionally

[fathom shale]

How is someone getting out with the bounty without even facing other players a sign of skill that should be accounted for in a system designed to approximate skill to make player vs player interactions more fair?

[astral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/tekken-tekken8-next-gen-fight-king-gif-27608269

[dawn surge]

my glorious chariot card forcing people that immediately run to extract to FIGHT

[indigo jewel]

u get mmr for getting bounty and extracting?

[dawn surge]

https://tenor.com/view/armor-king-tekken-8-armor-king-goat-gif-2703327985722689923

[astral moss]

No.

[scenic plinth]

no, only killing, you only lose it by dying too

(to players)

[fathom shale]

There's also some win/loss streak factor

[indigo jewel]

i see i see

[toxic rivet]

I have 1.1kdr how am i 5 star

[fathom shale]

KDA is not a MMR factor

[dawn surge]

you kept killing 5 stars

[fathom shale]

What matters more is who you kill and die to rather than the raw amount of kills and deaths

[toxic rivet]

Oh okay

[indigo jewel]

kill big man get big mmr

[toxic rivet]

Lowk hate it in 5*

[fathom shale]

https://tenor.com/view/when-calls-the-heart-hearties-kevin-mcgarry-erin-krakow-it-gets-worse-gif-1542606712186165798

[wheat pilot]

I mean it makes sense kinda? In lower mmr you would probably have much higher kd. If you die about as much as you kill other players I would say that's a sign you are in the correct rank.

[toxic rivet]

Gonna get to 6*, save the screenshot and force myself back into 3-4* lobbies

Yep thanks discord thats what i meant to do

[rapid crystal]

i love traps and used to play with them alot but they almost never pay off. usually 5 possible things happen:
1 you set traps and noone shows up
2 you set traps and enemy comes from the most wacky direction noone ever comes from (even though you heard em coming from different angle)
3 you set traps and enemy team has some smart ass with vigilant or they all have antidote or they just passively sit in one spot etc.
4 you set traps and your teamates happily run into them while rushing the enemy team
5 you don't get a chance to use em cuz you spawned on the other side of the map from boss lair.

so i just stopped playing them. but still nothing beats a feeling of wiping an enemy team without making a single move just cuz you placed your taps perfectly

[scenic plinth]

is this mountie lore?

[astral moss]

R.I.P

You are now in the no-fun zone.

[primal tundra]

No fun. Keep getting placed with brand new players.

[tame magnet]

Ez kills

[royal tulip]

just bought the game and this is the first thing i see when loading up

this is uh, not promising

[whole mist]

The newest event just started so they're promoting it. The game doesn't shove micro transactions down your throat 24/7, and it's all cosmetics.

[whole furnace]

To be fair, people were complaining they couldn't find the event tab in the past

[wheat pilot]

eh every game with microtransactions promotes them heavily

Especially battle passes, they are always in the main lobby in every game that has a bp

[raven rune]

my favourite was people being mad that they accidentally bought the mission pass. So the next event they made you HOLD the button to buy it (it said HOLD on screen). So this discord was just full of people complaining that they couldnt buy the mission pass

[orchid shard]

literally this

[royal tulip]

thanks lol at least im getting some genuine feedback haha

[orchid shard]

how about you play the game before making snap judgements

you have an hour to return it

which is time for 1 or so games

[whole mist]

@royal tulip before buying, have you watched any videos about the game? Do you know a little of what to expect?

[raven rune]

all memes aside yeah there's loads of microtransactions in this game, its all optional and honestly pretty cheap as far as micros go

[whole furnace]

Naw that was a fair complaint, especially around the skins that is shown in your skin selection menu!
Having to play a game of minefield whenever you need to equip a new skin is devious.

[orchid shard]

all of the micro transactions have no effect on gameplay basically

aside from one or two skins

[royal tulip]

??? my snap judgement was of what you could see snapped to your screen on the boot before anything else

and it was a battlepass

[raven rune]

the buy button in your hunter screen was a different issue

[royal tulip]

that was the only snap judgement i made and a fair one

[orchid shard]

how do you expect the game to continue running after launch?

should they raise the price to 60 dollars? not put the game on sale so people can try the game for 12 dollars?

The skins in hunt are all so the game can continue to have content

[royal tulip]

sure mate whatever i think youve missed the point

[whole mist]

he's not saying battle passes are bad, just how it was initially presented

[orchid shard]

The game has always had ui problems

[raven rune]

bro relax...

[orchid shard]

Its nothing new

The game is in its most accessible state ever

and if you look at any of these screens, they look bad because they're designed for console players

thats why everything is bound to weird keys and stuff

[royal tulip]

you are on your own tangent rn

[whole mist]

🙏 we we could go wayyy back to the old Ui

[orchid shard]

I liked the ui in 2021

but I know that's a personal preference

everything after that has always been too chunky or too many menus

[whole mist]

although, it's in a good spot finally

for the most part

[orchid shard]

its not bad now

[rose elm]

Got so many cheaters etc in the game, broken matchmaking etc. Now it's a damn p100lvl100 mosin spitzer deranker in a 3 star lobby who doesn's miss. The game is so full of griefer sometimes

[indigo jewel]

thats the only time it actually shows a popup for a microtransaction just to show off the new event so dw about it :)

[orchid shard]

Which is pretty much why I was saying

[mild flower]

@royal tulip saw no one else saying it, so welcome to hunt. Good luck!

[orchid shard]

don't make snap judgements based off of prior experiences with OTHER games

I don't really get the scream dlc though

[royal tulip]

my bro in christ drop it already 😭

youre cool

its fine

[crystal bay]

Welcome to the bayou!

[grand grove]

https://tenor.com/view/good-hunting-chloe-rose-leslie-the-last-witch-hunter-lionsgate-gif-18245996

[grand grove]

Also, Happy Bday Naga :D

[rose elm]

!report

[graceful hedge]

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[whole mist]

Sergus goin thru it rn

[rose elm]

Hm?

[jolly canyon]

Is FMJ worth it in long ammo?

[crystal bay]

Not really is the general consensus I've seen

[tame magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-rider-negative-ghost-rider-nope-no-top-gun-gif-3052207666502768433

[crystal bay]

It's already really good at penetration/damage retention which is what FMJ helps with

And it'll slow down the MV

[orchid shard]

Thanks

[crystal bay]

I do enjoy it on Martini Henri Ironside because it just feels solid

[orchid shard]

with FMJ, I think it depends on the weapon a lot

[jolly canyon]

I tried it on mako. Fmj seems to add 10 damage over 50 meters

[orchid shard]

I'm pretty sure it slows velocity though right

[jolly canyon]

To 400

[tame magnet]

Sheesh

[orchid shard]

Yeah that can be a lot depending on the weapon

[grand grove]

It's same as Martini

[tame magnet]

Need a pigeon carrier for that round

[orchid shard]

A lot of guns are sub 400 in this game

[tame magnet]

I usually use cent hv

[orchid shard]

I think I usually use bleed instead of fmj

in my guns

[acoustic osprey]

Do you guys think that the devs are shying away from the idea of more gruesome Hunter designs?

[orchid shard]

chainpistol with fanning is pretty hard to beat

[orchid shard]

a lot of the skins are legit corpses with their insides hanging out

so I don't think so

[grand grove]

I just wish they would release Goth lady from trailer lol

[open edge]

Fanning with uppercut is garbage

[remote moss]

literally last event was a guy with his face going brrrr

lol

joker mf without the makeup

[orchid shard]

Uppercut fanning has always been pretty bad

[remote moss]

fanning uppercut only good with explo

[orchid shard]

it's bad even if you're kissing them

[remote moss]

spam floor twice so cant fight back, then direct hit

[open edge]

I didnt know that until today

[remote moss]

they survive with bulwark then you die

[orchid shard]

I mean, it's pretty hard to control the uppercut as is

[grand grove]

Yeah if you're gonna use explo fanning you need bulwark yourself haha

[orchid shard]

fanning only makes that worse

good fanning guns are usually light ammo

lematt was pretty bad back in the day but dunno if its been changed

I guess theres a lot of medium ammo pistols now too

[open edge]

Was a team fight everyone was dead except me and 1 other guy, he killed me with romero hatchet melee because I missed all uppercut shots 😭

[orchid shard]

tbf romero hatchet is pretty good at that

I keep trying to practice with the uppercut but can never get any kills with it

better off with pax lol

[open edge]

I closed the game after that

[grand grove]

Tightest fanning in the game (minus catalyst) is standard conversion pistol, try that next time :)

[open edge]

Or just dont use the trait again 😂

[grand grove]

Nah the trait's good! haha

Just, it can feel really bad xD

[open edge]

I like levering more

[orchid shard]

fanning is actually amazing

it's just, the thing you were trying to fan is gun that's meant to stop horses

[mild flower]

isnt it trueshot

[mild flower]

fanning is good usually, but in a meta where everyone can pull out a mini shotgun and just one shot you within fanning's effective range, it has limited use

dont get me wrong though i love fanning

[orchid shard]

idk I use the chain pistol and its basically a shotgun

[mild flower]

i like wallbanging with it and fmj

[undone sail]

Thought tightest fanning was Nagant 1895 because it had so little recoil anyway

[mild flower]

chain pistol is one of the worst fanning guns imo [no offense, you use what you want] because the accuracy is so low you have to get good rng to hit anyone past like 8m

[dawn surge]

true but everyone forgets that pistol exists anyway

[acoustic cloud]

What goth lady

[undone sail]

I mean I only use it with fanning or in pairs so fair enough. 😝

[astral moss]

More a melee than a shotgun.

[mild flower]

@orchid shard i do enjoy chain fanning for one thing, and that's penetration with fmj

there are some scenarios you just spray through a wall and hope for a lucky kill

[mild flower]

people who only use chain pistol for fanning give it a bad rep imo.. it's actually such a solid gun

[orchid shard]

true!

[indigo jewel]

has the match got anything over the regular mosin

[acoustic cloud]

she's goth?

[undone sail]

Ooh I can hear Evanescence just by looking at her

[lime mural]

What's fanning?

[orchid shard]

full auto for revolvers

[dawn surge]

Fan the hammer of your pistol

[orchid shard]

basically

[mild flower]

a trait that allows you to rapid fire single action revolvers from the hip.

[orchid shard]

too bad you can't fan the carbines

😭

[astral moss]

Two handed ?

[mild flower]

really misleading description tbh

[astral moss]

How did you fan 2 handed pistol ?

[grand grove]

catalyst

[orchid shard]

you hold it with one hand 😄

[mild flower]

use your feet

[weary yoke]

ive never seen it work 2 handed

[indigo jewel]

why cant we fan while dual wielding

[dawn surge]

its basekit now

catalyst no longer needed

[undone sail]

The way you'd have to hold it? Kiss your wrist ligaments goodbye. 🤣

[grand grove]

oh snap really? :O

[astral moss]

You are a genius !

[orchid shard]

well if we just sawed off the stock.. oh wait-

[true lotus]

does anyone know whats the max duration for how long ago witness trait can see dead zombies?

[astral moss]

Witness is pretty weak right now ngl.

[dawn surge]

yeah 1 sec i'll hop into practice range

[indigo jewel]

is there a new boss bounty

[true lotus]

thanks for the reply! i was just about to ask for meathead XD

[grand grove]

Well, in that case the Nagant P is the tightest fanning now right?

[astral moss]

Like why nerf witness ever.

[undone sail]

It's one of those "win more" traits like conduit

[mild flower]

iirc precisions get no fanning accuracy buff compared to their 1 slot counterparts.

[astral moss]

At least conduit give you stam effect.

[undone sail]

It's not that it's weak, it's just not essential

[dawn surge]

btw thats just how fast haymaker fanning is, its extremely slow

[undone sail]

It's a QoL perk at this point

[indigo jewel]

witness is more qol to me

[astral moss]

Idk how seeing the body is usefull beside loot them after fight.

[undone sail]

That. That's it. That's what it does

[mild flower]

Isn't witness really useful for keeping track of who's downed and who got revived

[indigo jewel]

i always use conduit one of my favs

[astral moss]

You can use your ears, work too.

[undone sail]

We use it to see when an enemy team rezzes a team member too

At range

[astral moss]

You know this little "Aaughh eeeeh" when a hunter died ?

[mild flower]

counting bodies to see how many people are left, seeing where people died to estimate where people are now, seeing when people get revived to get information for rotations or wallbangs, seeing if people aren't yet revived for information as well

[grand grove]

Main reason I use it! Also, it works on grunts too so you can see if someone is sneaking nearby and saved me more than once because of it :)

[dawn surge]

i cant remember where the other medium slot pistols are

[astral moss]

Doesn't need witness for any of that.

[dawn surge]

btu u get the point

no catalyst needed

[indigo jewel]

in 20 years hunt will finally have the 1911 guys

[mild flower]

sure but they said "entering an ongoing fight". you might have just come in and you couldnt hear exactly who got downed and revived and/or downed again, so you wanna know exactly with the trait

[undone sail]

See that's what i just said- you can use it to see when someone rezzes an enemy team member. 🫡

[astral moss]

I got the sound at 200db in my ears.

[open edge]

Thing is I always forget to do this while in a gunfight, I guess thats a skill issue

[mild flower]

you don't NEED traits in general. traits are to make things easier. you can win a match and/or wipe a lobby with no traits at all

[undone sail]

Resilience is the closest thing to essential when you're teaming

[astral moss]

So, for you witness have still value over a bolt thrower/conduit ?

Or a doctor.

[mild flower]

even that, it's really good, but it's not NECESSARY. i win matches all the time without doctor. it's a second match trait for me

[dawn surge]

a bullet to the head can counter all those fancypant traits

[whole mist]

I would say surefoot is super close to necessary

[astral moss]

Headshot counter eveything lol.

[dawn surge]

surefoot is pretty amazing tho

[astral moss]

Never used it.

[open edge]

Whats yall go to starter traits

[astral moss]

Depend my build.

[mild flower]

This

[undone sail]

"You activated my trap card!" bang

[dawn surge]

the homestead is sexy

[astral moss]

Like when i play bomb lance its like : Conduit, bolt thrower, the trait to see trap and the one that reduce fall damage.

I don't have all the name in english.

[raven rune]

is the homestead supposed to have a 50% spawnchance? Because in the past 20 times ive been to the nest, its only the wildlands

[mild flower]

who isn't using regen shots nowadays???

[dawn surge]

the humble poison enjoyer

[astral moss]

Better, use "The sun" card.

[granite acorn]

Any good way to lvl hunter btw?

also level after prestige

[junior marlin]

I got Ghoul, Blast sense, and Lightfoot

[astral moss]

That's why i recommend to extract if you got spawn fight.

[mild flower]

my bad, i wouldn't know. we dont get enough players here to get spawn fights really

and ifit does happen people just run away

[whole mist]

during this event tho, tons of people are going to have like 15-20min of regen easy

[mild flower]

https://tenor.com/q3dV.gif

[whole mist]

lol

[astral moss]

Spawn fight is cringe asf.

[open edge]

I go vulture, packmule, necro (or iron eye with the 1 point stamina trait)

[outer iron]

That's like levering speed.

[raven rune]

spawn fight is the most fun in the game

[dawn surge]

spawn fights in the old days and losing a bar without any ways of getting bars back?

understandable if u want to extract

[astral moss]

Yeah so funny to have nothing beside 1 bar down on all your team mate and no bullet.

[dawn surge]

cuz by then the bounty would already be banished by another team

[mild flower]

not when there's an event active that allows you to fully restore everything

[dawn surge]

and every fucker was using long ammo

[raven rune]

imagine not winning the fight unscathed

[dawn surge]

but nowadays? you can get bars back pretty decently

[open edge]

Spawn fights are fun, I dont like the sneaky win with no fighting

[astral moss]

I got a counter to chariot now.

[mild flower]

was 😭

[whole mist]

nowdays, we got recovery shots and the spider nest. No point in extracting unless u didnt take any and the nest is wayyyyyyyy across the map

[dawn surge]

its still annoying but not as bad as it used to be

[outer iron]

I've gotten more spawnfights this event than any other time I've played hunt.

If I wasn't dead sick. It's making me a terrible player.

[dawn surge]

hunt from 2018-2020 was peak abysmal dogshit in terms of balance and i wouldn't hear an argument about it

[mild flower]

no

[astral moss]

• every blood thirsty enemy will run toward the noise of the fight.

[lime mural]

Spawn fight means your teammate going rogue or running into another team when spawned?

[whole mist]

smh you're supposed to be blinded by nostalgia and complain about everything new in the game

[dawn surge]

another team

[astral moss]

So you got a 3v3v3v3 fight at spawn.

Why wont i extract ?

[dawn surge]

sometimes i do get blinded by nostalgia

but holy shit lads

losing a bar and having no ways of getting it back

against a triple long ammo squad

fuck yes i'm extracting

fuck that

[mild flower]

to have fun and fight

[outer iron]

Way back I'd get into rounds where we could SEE eachother at spawn.

[astral moss]

"Fun" ?
Sorry i am stuck in 6* idk what that mean.

[dawn surge]

godfucking damn Lawson was bad for that

[mild flower]

I'm sorry.

[whole furnace]

What a spawn

[outer iron]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-gif-8080800

[mild flower]

what skin does your teammate on the right have

[outer iron]

what it felt like

[astral moss]

No balls you fuse one.

[whole furnace]

Desert Rose

[mild flower]

ty

[open edge]

||Funny cause he shoots the kid after this 🤣||

[mild flower]

ty

[astral moss]

Spoiler man...

[dawn surge]

[hazy crest]

You haven’t watched breaking bad by now?

What hole do you live in no offense

talking to the guy that said spoiler

[open edge]

I think he was joking

[whole mist]

The primal urge to throw a hellfire at my feet

[astral moss]

Nah never seen it

And dont want to.

[hazy crest]

Don’t want to?

Why?

Spite?

Fucking great show

Perfect ending

Better than the sopranos

[astral moss]

[trail ether]

hello, will we keep the tarot cards after event ends ? Or is it just for the event ?

they are quite cool

[tame magnet]

We don’t know yet

[mild flower]

we dont know. but i hope they stay in some form, oftentimes event limited things are kept in some way after tweaking.

[strange walrus]

Pizza on Roof was an acident

[tame magnet]

I think locked extractions with chariot needs to stay

[whole furnace]

Maybe not kept directly after the event, but if received positively enough by many they might return or even become permanent.

[trail ether]

i really like playing them

[mild flower]

shockingly, with how much this community complains, i havent really seen much negative reception to the cards

[whole furnace]

There are some chariot haters :V

[mild flower]

yeah thats all ive seen.. which is ironic cause i think that is the healthiest one for the game lol

except maybe hanged man

nah if it was limited time there would just be more camping and waiting

[astral moss]

Imagine we can buy tarot card.

[tame magnet]

Forces more PvP imo

[mild flower]

i doubt theyll do that just because of the garden being a better vitality

[trail ether]

maybe at refill points, one card

[tame magnet]

That part does suck

I liked the new middle map extraction tho

[astral moss]

Then pop a chariot lol.

And take middle extract.

[tame magnet]

Really varies. Sometimes it’s all one area, other times it’s equally split

[astral moss]

Luck issue.

[tame magnet]

But when banish is top right corner, and all extracts are bottom left, walking simulator begins lol

[astral moss]

I think i have every card in like 6 stack.

I never use them.

I would like to use the sun but there à problem with it.

Nah just any effect stop the regen.

[dawn surge]

the suns effect is more useful for that it doesn't stop the regen if you take damage

but only 60 seconds so

make it count

[astral moss]

Since you can still get one shot...

Its more usefull in a mid range fight than for pushing.

[remote moss]

sun is interesting because you just repeek faster when you get tagged at mid range

yeah

you fuck up the timings of the guys fighting you

even with medkit doctor physician, theres a delay

but youre up and running very fast and constantly

vigor is strong to combo with it

[mild flower]

Does anyone actually make use out of the magician
Seems pretty bad to me

Maybe the worst even

[dawn surge]

the magician is the hardest to get value from

[trail ether]

what does it do exactly ?

blue dot ?

[astral moss]

Did the trait for the regen work with the sun ?

[dawn surge]

spawns a decoy that shows dark sight boost orange

[mild flower]

Places a fake orange hunter for dark sight boost

[trail ether]

well that's interesting

[dawn surge]

i think the world is worse

[trail ether]

you can lure what which you couldn't before

[dawn surge]

doesn't work off conduit, and finding where the boss is isn't exactly a hard feat

[astral moss]

The world doesnt prock conduit, so i hate it.

[trail ether]

i use lures often

[remote moss]

yep

[astral moss]

Lol must be funny.

[mild flower]

The world is broken imo. Breaks the gameplay dynamic

[astral moss]

Nah x2

[dawn surge]

i think breaking the gameplay dynamic is something like chariot or hanged man

but they're extremely fucking funny so idc

[astral moss]

Chariot should be deleted.

[mild flower]

Hanged man is fine if you're not bush camping

[astral moss]

When something is annoying for everyone but the user its not healthy for the game.

[dawn surge]

its only really unhealthy for a bounty team that doesn't want to fight and rushes to an extract

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral moss]

XD

I mean he is not wrong.

[mild flower]

Which is a lot of player sadly

[remote moss]

i really like the world, its good for sprinting straight to boss and screwing with everyone elses fight timing and spacing

[dawn surge]

which is why i like the chariot

[astral moss]

Just move when you got the warning and no problem.

[dawn surge]

i do play for the pvp and the chariot forces the pvp

[remote moss]

hanged man is for catching rats, really, making sure you dont get ambushed or flanked when youre getting near boss

[dawn surge]

no ez extracts for you nuh uh

[remote moss]

its not really that good when used otherwise except to catch a spawn fight

[astral moss]

Some fight arent winnable, that's why chariot is a problem.

[trail ether]

hanged man is just one guy anyway. In team fights you only know one or two guys if lucky, in solo there are many other potential threats

[dawn surge]

if you get spotted as a solo via hanged man

you might get fucked

pretty badly

[mild flower]

It is called hanged man not hanged men

[dawn surge]

but otherwise its not that bad

[remote moss]

hanged man is funny cause you hit the afk teammates if you use it too early

need to walk a few steps first so youre closer to people who are moving

[astral moss]

Chariot is more of a problem than hanged man.

[dawn surge]

I love the idea of the chariot and the locked extract in the middle

it makes the game flow more differently than no other event

[remote moss]

being at the middle is kind of weird, shouldve added two middle, one above and one below the middle compound

and open the other 3 extracts

[random nimbus]

It also makes it a pain to run across the map if the extraction near you is locked

[astral moss]

Yeah you got blocked from your extract every game.

Very funny for everyone.

You are very lucky.

[dawn surge]

i've done it to other players but it hasn't happened to me yet

[astral moss]

I think people in 6* have figure it out that they can just take the last team in an openfield to get a free win.

[mild flower]

I don't get why can't you just walk around the field

[astral moss]

Cause i am seen on the map and people have brain.

[random nimbus]

If I'm at the northwest corner of the map and the extraction 3 compounds over is locked so I have to run to the literal bottom of the map, then I'm very annoyed

[dawn zinc]

This player 100% checked my profile for game bans

[mild flower]

So then what? They see you on the map and.. they follow you? Great, so you can bring them somewhere to fight on your own terms.

[astral moss]

There is no way i can run to a compound while being extract locked.

And i got in the compound then what ?

[fathom shale]

Lol nice one

Random wallbangs are always such a dopamine rush

[mild flower]

Either bait them in or run away and use the compound behind you as cover. If they're playing at such a long range, you should be the next compound over by the time they reach the previous

[fathom shale]

Unless you are the one who gets wallbanged

[dawn zinc]

You can see me kind of pause in astonishment that I hit it lol

[wild glacier]

guys hunt keeps stealing half my XP despite my hunter being level 50 what do I do

[astral moss]

What you are saying is a random scenario in most game, the extarct is in an openfield and they pop chariot so you cant do anything beside walking in theyr scope.

[sullen olive]

🤑

[mild flower]

Elaborate

Bloodline exp?

[wild glacier]

yes, half of the match XP still goes to the hunter despite being level 50, is that a known visual glitch or is the game stealing my efforts?

[astral moss]

You can say "yeah but if that..." but in most scenario its just you locked in an openfield with long ammo in front of you.

[random nimbus]

[astral moss]

And that's pure BS.

[wild glacier]

noooo I'm farming prestige and the hunter has death cheat

[mild flower]

Extracts always have some kind of cover to escape with near them from my experience.. maybe I'm misremembering or just lucky? Maybe try bringing concertina bomb to create your own cover.

[random nimbus]

Some extractions are literal open field shooting ranges

With 0 cover

[astral moss]

One conso to counter a card that is possibly not even there.

Sound fair.

[icy elbow]

lmao what

[mild flower]

Ah righto. So why go to that extract specifically if you are running from a fight with an all sniper team? @astral moss

[random nimbus]

Greystone Pit, I think is the name. Absolute deathtrap with giant walls on each side that overlook the extraction boat

[astral moss]

Cause its the only one that we can reach maybe ?

[random nimbus]

Zero cover or place to go

[astral moss]

Idk all extract point of a map sorry boy.

Like you know this horrible map that is called Mammon gulch ?

I dont think there is many walls around extract.

[random nimbus]

Might not have a choice because the next closest one is locked

[mild flower]

Hey don't be rude to mammons gulch :(

[random nimbus]

Nah, bully that awful map

[astral moss]

Bro its the worst map ngl.

Clearly made for sniper enjoyer.

[random nimbus]

Well, it came with bullet drop

[astral moss]

wow

[random nimbus]

Which kinda killed long range sniping

[astral moss]

They dont need to be in very long range, just staying in an unpushable place is enough.

[urban steppe]

hanged man, but you end up spectating the worst guy on their team whose doing nothing important

[mild flower]

Stillwater bayou might be the best sniper map honestly cause of how open and flat it is and cause of all the shrubbery.

[urban steppe]

[astral moss]

Nah.

[random nimbus]

Lawson was the best sniping one imo

[mild flower]

Ok valid argument

I respect that

[astral moss]

You cant say that while even the forest on mammon gulch is flat.

[random nimbus]

Mostly flat with good sightlines. Desalle had some REALLY big sightlines but there's a lot of wooded areas between

[astral moss]

Like its just not true idk what to say.

[mild flower]

That's one part of the map, overall mammons has by far the most verticality

[urban steppe]

mammon's is probably the worst map for sniping due to all the cover provided by said verticality

[mild flower]

👆

[urban steppe]

too easy to duck behind cover ammo can't pen

there's like 3 billion pieces of metal or solid rock to hide behind

[astral moss]

Ok, say one name of compound, i tell you where are the sniper team.

And you told me how to push them.

[urban steppe]

on the other maps, it is mostly big trees (can be penned ) or dirt mounds with trees ontop (very narrow compared to what mammons has )

[astral moss]

Come on.

[urban steppe]

mammons has a literal tunnel network

[urban steppe]

gasworks

🧌

[astral moss]

I never fight in that beside when i am on Gordo.

[urban steppe]

yeah.. anyone with half a brain isn't pushing gasworks LOOOL

[mild flower]

You didn't say you were allowed to exclude a compound because of that :(

[remote moss]

pushing gasworks is fun though

[urban steppe]

gasworks is probably the worst compound ingame

[urban steppe]

it isn't

[remote moss]

it totally is

[astral moss]

Eh, they can be anywhere behind the wall and you cant push.

[remote moss]

the only problem is that you have very very bad movement options to counter a shotgun playing the corners at the top

in other words, frag spam

bomb lance

[urban steppe]

exactly
its a wallbang proof compound

outer layer of brick/metal
inner wall of metal sheets

[astral moss]

Was a response to that. #hunt-general message

[mild flower]

Ohh lmao my bad

[astral moss]

I mean for you to push them, the sniper team.

Like a sniper team wont push you, that make no sens.

[urban steppe]

that works until you realize how limited the entrances are into the inner portion of gasworks
= even if you frag someone through the wall, you are still funneled through one of the limited entrances... and right into shotgun range

[urban steppe]

o

[wild glacier]

third match in a row of having half my XP eating by the game

[plucky marten]

You people besmerching mammons when stillwater exists. Also, the reason most people don't like mammons is it was all we had for months. It's a good map.

[astral moss]

Tell me how i am supposed to push that.

[urban steppe]

I was gonna say from my experience, there's usually a team sitting in the back of the compound with the elevator LOL

[astral moss]

You dont play around Cqc build am i right ?

[wild glacier]

I summon a dev please

https://tenor.com/view/with-this-treasure-i-summon-gif-13157585410586563450

[astral moss]

I would like to play against that.

[wheat pilot]

hunt maps in general are really good imo

im a siege player and compared to that game every hunt map feels great

[wild glacier]

dont remind me

[astral moss]

If you play long/medium range its a good map for sure, but only cause it give you an advantage.

[wheat pilot]

and i dont even think siege maps are that bad, hunt just genuinely has great maps with very few frustrating locations imo

[plucky marten]

Sure, but half of stillwater is a dumb swamp that gator legs only exists because of. The area around scupper is bad and people just go around it. The area between pitching and blanchet is bad. I would also say that huge open area from curch to middle tower is far too open.

[astral moss]

I think i am gonna do screen of some unpushable sniper spot.
So you got the idea.

[wild glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-gif-24290449

[astral moss]

Lol

[wild glacier]

pitcher?

[urban steppe]

Mammons is the worst map ingame

You have
The shotgun haven known as gasworks
Basement compound 2.0 with the quarry, which drops your frames

Grizzly's lodge
which drops your frames

Split river: 0 cover approaching, third party central....

An obscene amount of wallbang proof cover
and what, tunnel connected compound entrances that play like the basement compounds due to the fact you can't hit through solid stone

[wanton chasm]

I think having areas on maps that are open and very dangerous to be in makes the environments feel more real. In actual warfare situations and armed combats, there are a lot of open areas you want to avoid, or move through very quickly if you have to

[urban steppe]

The verticality plays against your ability to choke out your team mates if they get downed and you need to throw a chokebomb 3 floors up

😂

[urban steppe]

idk why people complain about scupper
that entire area is able to be wallbanged

[wild glacier]

Mammons is a really cool map

You have
Cool tunnels

Lotta grizzly bears

a quarry

nice view from a mountain

[urban steppe]

arguably one of the easiest compounds to fight against

that thing is 100% wood lool

[urban steppe]

its cool until you have to fight guys hiding in those areas

and then you realize you can't pen the stone walls and are forced into shotgun range

[wild glacier]

secret technique: throw everything I have in my consumable slots and run

maybe its because I don't play in higher stars

3 is more than enough

[urban steppe]

HUH

[worldly copper]

just got killed by this exploit

[wild glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/ezio-revelations-gif-23237996

[wild glacier]

#bug-reports-pc

[astral moss]

Its more of a shooting range for sniper than a real good thing.

[cosmic blade]

are servers down:c

[wanton chasm]

Well yes, like I said, large open spaces are very deadly and dangerous and you want to avoid them. Due to people with guns.

[silk mist]

Been loading for 10 mins now, wtf

And the loading still goin on

[wild glacier]

the loading will continue until morale improves

[astral moss]

Didn't you see the problem of balance with that ?

[silk mist]

Guess you’re fun for your grandparents

[wild glacier]

no ;~;

[wanton chasm]

It’s not supposed to be balanced. Large open areas should be dangerous. I think the map should have dangerous areas you don’t want to be in. If every area has cover then every area feels the same

[astral moss]

Oh ok so sniper are unpushable and its normal.
Thx for your opinion.

[silk mist]

They definitely are pushable, just use your brain 😉

[dawn zinc]

Nothing makes me want to destroy my keyboard more than being screwed over by a team mates trap they placed INSIDE the building you're controlling

[tranquil musk]

Snipers are very much not unpushable.

Skill issue

[astral moss]

Yeah i will cross the openfield with my shotgun agains said long range weapon.

I would love to see you do it.

[silk mist]

Bruh, you don’t run straight into snipers wth 🤣

[left orbit]

just got called cheater for killing the same dude twice with lemat C buckshot lmao

[dawn zinc]

You keep saying open field like the game is just one big open field lmao

[silk mist]

You need to unlock more IQ to be able to understand how to kill snipers

[crystal bay]

It happens unfortunately

[wanton chasm]

Open areas are dangerous
“Well I want to walk at the sniper across the open field with a shotgun and be ok”
Huh. Alright. Maybe try and different approach?

[crystal bay]

Let's keep it respectful

[astral moss]

Bro there is an openfield between me and them, what i am supposed to do ?

[tranquil musk]

Not peak the sniper

[dawn zinc]

Where are you talking about?

[astral moss]

Mammon gulch is.

[crystal bay]

Not really?

[dawn zinc]

Because pretty much everywhere is possible to rotate round

[crystal bay]

I can think of the one part of the mountain perhaps that is

Granted I guess that has decent sightline to a few places

but not really

[silk mist]

Exactly! Just use the damn brain and equipment you’ve got

[astral moss]

La plata ?

[dawn zinc]

If you can only think of running through an open space then you need to be more creative

[spark plaza]

!amogus

[astral moss]

You know this big tower with nothing around ?

[crystal bay]

Maybe one day

[dawn zinc]

thats 100% a you problem

[wanton chasm]

If you are having issues with snipers I would recommend:
-avoid the location of the sniper
-equip long range weapons to counter snipe
-approach from cover
-use a telescope item to try and check for snipers from cover before crossing a open area

[astral moss]

If they see me whenever i go.

XXXDDD

Oh yeah the telescope, never think of this one.

[dawn zinc]

I dont even know what your point is but it sounds like you're just whining for the sake of it

You dont like that you don't know how to play against snipers?

[astral moss]

I will do a funny game later with some screen and you will tell me how you push the sniper team.

[wild glacier]

why are you going wherever they see you

[astral moss]

If i can do otherwise i did.

[wild glacier]

just don't walk where you get shot

[dawn zinc]

If its a team of snipers holding one of maybe 3 locations that are surrounded by open space, I'd probably just let them sit there

[astral moss]

Thx mate, wouldnt think of that.

[remote moss]

the corners are actually really good to run away from, you can frag the entrance to clear anyone nearby to take space, then pop spam it every corner peek

thats assuming you have a way to clear the corner other than decoy fuse though

its viable, just hard as shit

[astral moss]

Yeah but avoiding them isn't the issue here, i want to push them.

[urban steppe]

that and the fact the compound is 1 big circle
so if you try to frag 1 entrance

they just shift to the other side and aim their guns at said entrance

waiting for you to push

[dawn surge]

problem with most sniper gameplay is that they don't like to reveal themselves until there's a spitzer-sized bullet in your brain

which is very annoying

some of the counterplay is just, run away or have a sniper of your own

which isn't fun :/

[dawn zinc]

Name one location that you feel is impossible to push a team of snipers

[astral moss]

La plata, between the 2 tunnel.

[remote moss]

yes, very fun

[wild glacier]

on the mountain?

[astral moss]

And you are in the compound ofc.

[dawn zinc]

What? If they are on top of the mountain?

[astral moss]

Yes.

[dawn zinc]

Then rotate round into the mines lmao

[wild glacier]

use the tunnels????

[dawn zinc]

use your brain

[wild glacier]

that'S what they're for

[tranquil musk]

Push thru the mine

[astral moss]

Where lol ?

They will see me rotate.

[wild glacier]

you can literally stay behind a wall until you'Re in the tunnel and the just pzush them?

[astral moss]

They have visu on both.

[dawn surge]

why are we using hypothetical scenarios to describe sniper gameplay, snipers aren't going to be in the same spot every time

[dawn zinc]

Not if you go to the back of la plata and rotate from there

[wild glacier]

nu uh there'S literally 27 walls

[dawn surge]

its not like shotgun users in a compound

[astral moss]

Cause its often where sniper team is gonna be.

[dawn surge]

then they fire a shot and reposition, rinse and repeat

[dawn zinc]

I've literally never encountered a team of snipers who just sat at the top of la plata mountain

[dawn surge]

unless they're idiots

[dawn zinc]

Its a terrible place to snipe

[urban steppe]

yeah
whenever the enemy team is at gasworks, I just wait them out

0 point pushing it

same with quarry

[tranquil musk]

Ok but if you have a shotgun just go take the boss lair why you pushing the team at laplata make them play into you

[wild glacier]

pushing up the mountain and calling it unpushable, we got a brainiac here 💀

[astral moss]

Perfect spot tho, you should try it.

[dawn surge]

also if gasworks is annoying well

[dawn zinc]

Its not though

[dawn surge]

I hate pushing this compound

[astral moss]

Why ?
You got big rock all around you.

And an openfield between you and the compound.

[dawn surge]

the main building itself is a pain in the ass to get into

[dawn zinc]

Because any competent player will just rotate and force the sniper to either fight in an open space or drop back into the mines

[tame magnet]

have you tried knocking

[dawn surge]

i got buckshot in return sadly

[scenic plinth]

i like to announce my presence with a flare, as not to be rude

[astral moss]

Sniper dont want to fight between an open space ?
Strange logik.

[dawn surge]

or any competent player will just cut their losses because sniper gameplay is generally very safe and is extremely loadout dependant

and when you can just slap a dolch as your secondary well

good luck lol