lore-discussion

[narrow halo]

I was away for a week

Please tell me you didn't come up with more stupid

[small abyss]

😆

[wet goblet]

What is Bayou?

[narrow halo]

The swamp

Near a river

[wet goblet]

Real one or Hunt's?
In the Louisiana?

[narrow halo]

Basically any

But in this case Louisiana as a whole

Call it a swamp and you'll be right

[wet goblet]

a whole?

[narrow halo]

Короче заболоченый участок реки

В данном случае это то место где происходят события игры

[wet goblet]

А все три локации там?

Получается игра в штате Луизиана - в местности заболоченной реки Байо?

[narrow halo]

Луизиана по сути болото одно

Как Питер

[wet goblet]

из-за растёкшейся там Байо?

[narrow halo]

🤦

Переведи Байо в переводчике

[wet goblet]

Хм. Думал это наименование чего-то. Учитывая что длс называются в честь него.

[narrow halo]

Ну так в данном случае это то место где произошел инцидент

[narrow halo]

Anyhow, what do people hunt in louisiana?

Alligators?

[hasty raven]

people

[lime mango]

I’m scared of water the hentai monster tried to get me when I went in there

[rotund ferry]

There is like no hunt hentai

[narrow halo]

It's only a matter of time really

Those anime types are relentless

Malevolent

[earnest jungle]

Alligators, Boar, Deer, etc.

[small abyss]

Anything that walks or crawls

I live here

[narrow halo]

But there are swamps with alligators everywhere

[fiery sparrow]

Hunt them too

[noble scarab]

Gator tastes pretty good tbh

[narrow halo]

Aren't they under danger of extinction already?

[night sage]

damn shame really

[earnest jungle]

American Alligators were critically endangered during the 1890s but they have since fully recovered

[rotund ferry]

Redneck hentai when?

[night sage]

I tried to draw some but my art is so terrible I feel like I would be letting the community down

[rotund ferry]

You'd be doing what nobody else will step up and do. You could be the catalyst, Hunt showdown could replace overwatch as most porn from a game

[night sage]

No way if we had a community that was more focused on sauce over the game and I would be guilty of starting it I would shoot/stab a immolator

[rotund ferry]

I think hunt showdown hentai could fill a niche. Not many people are into fat sweaty rednecks with beer bellys

But they are out there 😉

[night sage]

Ugly bastard?

[rotund ferry]

How popular is the ugly baatard genre? I often forget it even exists

[night sage]

I dunno

I think everyone would just be after llorona heir and North Star sauce

And maybe just maybe the rat as well

[rotund ferry]

The triangle hat asian would make for good lewds

[night sage]

Dead blessing yeah

[rotund ferry]

Let's keep it lore related, have any of the legendary hunters banged each other?

[opaque glade]

What the

[night sage]

No they don’t have time for that

[hasty raven]

what the fuck is

[opaque glade]

I know

[potent merlin]

CEASE

[sudden glacier]

i like you

[dark pewter]

all of the hunters are canonically asexual

[hasty raven]

They actually are all infertile so kind of

[sudden glacier]

infertile doesn't equal asexual

[narrow halo]

They are capable of giving birth to Shrek

So they are cautios when it comes to procreation

[rotund ferry]

We aren't talking having kids, we talking hot nasty just survived hell sex

[dark pewter]

they dont know what intercourse is

[night sage]

Explain.

[dark pewter]

but they receive a degree of sexual pleasure when banishing monsters

[night sage]

Where is this eluded to?

[dark pewter]

its not i am trolling my man

[night sage]

Knew it

[dark pewter]

wonder if theyre actually infertile tho

[night sage]

I mean isn’t a match a telling of the day of the hunt

[hasty raven]

it's in the Meatheat lore that they're infertile because Hunters that get pregnant have their fetus corrupted and they gain crazy powers and go wacko before giving birth to a Meathead and dying

So after the first time that haplened, they decided to just sterilize all Hunters

[night sage]

Sounds like someone was bored when writing the lore

[dark pewter]

while it might be interesting to some of the fan base i dont think the dev team should go into the hunters sexuality's and the like

[night sage]

That’s what the community is for

[dark pewter]

that is interesting tbh

[hasty raven]

This is the worst day in #lore-discussion

[dark pewter]

blame him

[night sage]

True

[dark pewter]

wait so how long have the events of hunt been taking place where all these meatheads are running around pregnancy's can be like 8 to 11 months technically

[night sage]

For now…

[night sage]

Maybe just the there were a lot of horny hunters before it was regulated and maybe there are some how poachers🤔

Really guessing at this point

[dark pewter]

best day of #lore-discussion

[dark pewter]

yeah all that adrenaline would make anyone horny

[night sage]

Wait are there poachers?

Because of the time period, unless they have men constant patrolling around it seems pretty easy to sneak in

[dark pewter]

i think its inevitable that non AHA members would enter the bayou which might explain some of the medics running around

they also look more freshly infected compared to some of the other grunts

[night sage]

Ok so then we could presume poachers could be a contributor to the meatheads

But it makes me wonder why are all the meatheads in Louisiana? Because if it was poachers who return to their wife/husband I presume it would spread around America

[dark pewter]

id say all of the infected/corrupted are just drawn to the source assuming the sculptor "stays" in Louisiana

[night sage]

Yeah that makes sense

That would be kinda funny though seeing a meathead having to walk all the way from California

[rotund ferry]

I thought all the special infected were copies the sculptor made

[dark pewter]

like the bosses? or wym

bc that i know of the bosses we fight are copies, were not killing THE Butcher but sort of copy of a Butcher

[narrow halo]

Reincarnation

[rotund ferry]

Yeah the sculptor made copies of the special infected, that's why they all look the same

[hasty raven]

All of the enemies that are under the 'marked' section of the Monstrorvm are most likely all monsters that were all copied from an original monster

[night sage]

well the sculptor sure knew what the hell it was doing when it made the immolator

[sudden glacier]

the immolator could overthrow the sculptor

[hasty raven]

At the very least, the Hive and Meathead are definitely copies of one definitive original, Immolators are likely copies of the original but it's technically possible multiple were created on their own, and Armored could easily be generic but also could be based off the first Armored

[night sage]

yeah cause the sculptor accidently pierces the immolator

and then the immolator also has its gatling combos so

[hasty raven]

a single Immolator and Hive team up could destroy all of Earth's armed forces

bastards

[night sage]

nah I'd a single immolator and a pack of hell hounds

[twilit quiver]

the ones who have a metal helmet, my worst nightmare

[sudden glacier]

I ran into a 12 pack the other day

and not the good kind

[night sage]

you die?

[sudden glacier]

lance

[hasty raven]

I appreciate how enemies can damage each other in Hunt. Satisfying when it happens, especially when it results in them dying

[night sage]

ah

[night sage]

pretty funny actually

[hasty raven]

Like Grunts chasing you into water devil water and getting literally diced into pieces instantly

Their limbs just fall off

[sudden glacier]

Meathead turns to immolator
HYDRA DOMINATUS

whomp

[night sage]

or grunts setting other grunts on fire with the torches

[hasty raven]

I really wish Meatheads were attracted to Hives like they are to poisoned players

[sudden glacier]

don't give jffry ideas

[hasty raven]

[night sage]

[sudden glacier]

[night sage]

ew chaos

[sudden glacier]

hey, the Alpha Legion aren't chaos

or are they

[night sage]

insert tf2 spy joke here

[sudden glacier]

Meet the music plays

[hasty raven]

Rise Up Deadman plays

So about that Hunt lore

[night sage]

changes it to instrumental

[hasty raven]

The Sculptor, am I right?

[night sage]

classic sculptor

[sudden glacier]

sculptor guy

he pretty cool

[hasty raven]

Gotta love 'em

Little rascal

[night sage]

chose the wrong place to infect though

[sudden glacier]

America was a bad choice cause we got dakka

[hasty raven]

You chose the wrong House of the Rising Sun, fool

[night sage]

it probably should have gone for the upper states

[sudden glacier]

it did, didn't go well

[hasty raven]

Maybe it's trying to capitalize on the Civil War disarray?

[night sage]

little too late

[sudden glacier]

it worked out, we have to admit

[hasty raven]

Nah the Sculptor is a different entity than all of the other ones that caused other Hunts, like the one in New York

[sudden glacier]

he got 3 different little uh.. counties?

[night sage]

I presume the one in New York is the most powerful?

[hasty raven]

Maybe it started trying to break through during the Civil War and only managed to get the corruption in in 1895

[night sage]

it should have read the lore

[hasty raven]

No actually, the one in Louisiana is apparently the strongest at the point in time Hunt takes place

That's why it's the focal point of the game. Normally the Hunts don't involve Hunters killing other Hunters for the bounty, but the one in Louisiana got so bad that tensions reached a breaking point

[night sage]

classic Louisiana

[hasty raven]

Plus the one in Louisiana had whatever 'oath' that kept Hunters in pairs broken, allowing Hunters to go in trios

[night sage]

wow

how on earth do they have it under control?

[hasty raven]

So compared to all of the other incidents, the one in Louisiana is off the gosh darn rails so to speak. It kind of caused the AHA to crumble

I haven't read all of the lore yet, waiting to unlock the rest of the entries

[night sage]

you'd think they would would bring in the actual army

[sudden glacier]

they don't want to alarm the public

[hasty raven]

Maybe they did eventually. We don't know how it ended really, the lore entries are all just information the AHA recovered decades in the future, trying to piece together a record of the whole shitshow

They must have ended it once and for all eventually, but no info about that is given. Probably because it shouldn't be given away when it's the point of the game

[sudden glacier]

I'm trying to imagone why they're making the reports

"Ayo boss... y'know that uh... that thing that happened a few years back in Louisiana"
"that was a hundred years ago but yeah..."

[hasty raven]

The severity of the Louisiana incident may be why Hunters from so many different places came to participate, even Hunters in the middle of their own incidents in China

[hasty raven]

It is such a uniquely severe event that it threw the AHA into complete disarray

[night sage]

do we know of anywhere else besides America/China?

[hasty raven]

I imagine they'd want to understand what happened to the best of their ability

[hasty raven]

Not for certain. The only incidents that are 100% confirmed to be taking place at or close to the same time as Louisiana are New York, somewhere in China, and somewhere in the Cascade mountains. It's possible one may have recently or currently happened somewhere in the mesas of America too

To be precise, China and New York are currently, and the Cascade mountains are recently

Oh and incidents have been happening in the Americas long before European colonizers took over. It's implied that some Native American legends are actually based on different incidents they dealt with, like the legend mentioned in the Archaeologist's bio and the Bayou Teche

Interestingly, the legend the Archaeologist was obsessed with (from the Hopi people in the west, though that eventually led her to Louisiana) and the Bayou Teche are both legends involving snakes, and there is some sort of snake deity that's somehow related to the Sculptor in the lore

I haven't read the Bad As They Seem story yet so I can't say anything about the snake entity besides the fact that it existed, and a couple Native American legends that are referenced in Hunt's lore are about snake entities

The Bayou Teche (teche meaning 'snake') is even about a 124 mile long snake that caused destruction that the Natives slayed in battle over the course of weeks

Which could be interpretted as a metaphore for a sort of Hunt

[night sage]

good job for 'em😎 👍

then did the sculptor kinda dissapate for sometime or has it always been prevelant?

[hasty raven]

The Sculptor isn't responsible for every incident. As far as we know, it's only ever been responsible for the Louisiana incident. Every incident is caused by a different entity, presumably from the same place as the Sculptor and with similar abilities

The Sculptor responsible for the Louisiana event is one of if not the strongest one yet, contributing to how out of control it got down there

[night sage]

wow so America has had problems from the very start

[hasty raven]

I think there might be different 'types' of these beings, like different species

Since two different Native American legends that are implied to have actually been past Hunts both involve snake things causing destruction, while both New York and Louisiana have a corruption that turns people into Grunts (I think)

I need to reread the Skinflint lore that's about the Hunt in New York, I'm not sure if it involved a corruption like in Louisiana for sure

And there's also the Hunt in China that's implied to be related to the Spirit Nian legend, where the Nian monster repeatedly came to ransack a village in China until one day a mysterious man came who knew how to drive it away

[night sage]

mf got those fireworks

[hasty raven]

That sounds very much like it could be some type of Hunt

when the demons are scared of burning bamboo noises

[night sage]

[dark pewter]

so is it safe to call the sculptor some sort of eldritch deity on some hp lovecraft shit

[hasty raven]

Yes

The Sculptor spread the corruption to create Grunts and other unique monsters, which the Grunts can then metamorphose into for other purposes (mainly defending rifts (clues)), as well as creating special monsters that can only exist one at a time and serve important roles, like gathering resources and probably being the ones to open the rifts

My hypothesis is that the purpose of the Spider is to create the cocoons out of that webbing all over their compounds, which Grunts use to metamorphose into Hives, Meatheads, etc., and the Assassin moves into completed 'nests' to defend them from Hunters, which is why its compound is always cocoon-filled (it's confirmed the Assassin was created specifically to fight Hunters)

[night sage]

maybe the sculptor should sculpt some bitches

[hasty raven]

The Butcher's purpose is to stockpile meat to feed Grunts so they have enough resources to metamorphose and not starve, and Scrapbeak's purpose is to collect raw material to 'build' with (I think it's confirmed that Scrapbeak is collecting resources to build something but I'm not sure)

[granite veldt]

Hello lore gods I have a question. Why this damn bayou so spooky?

[hasty raven]

It has been stated that the Spider is a 'builder' though, which is why I think it's what makes the cocoons btw

[hasty raven]

monstors

[rotund ferry]

Hicks are a different breed

[granite veldt]

Nah but is this infection related or is it magic

[hasty raven]

Is what? The whole incident?

It's kind of both

There is an infection (or 'corruption') that a being called the Sculptor spread to Louisiana in order to transform people into monsters that help get the Sculptor into our world

The corruption/infection thing interacts with things in weird ways, including souls and 'spirit energy' or something, and the Sculptor can probably guide it in a way to create what it wants specifically (hence 'sculptor') but it can also result in things like the Meathead (and by extension, the Butcher) which were created by human interferrence and the Sculptor decided to work with it anyway

It's not 'magic' in the way that things can just happen with no explanation, everything usually happens through reasonable cause and effect. The Grunts are people infected with some insectoid larvae that replaces their blood, and they're cocooned in some tough material (the stuff that covers Armored and is found on the walls of some places/Assassin complunds) until they metamorphose into more specialized forms, which are all copies of some original 'template' monster (Armored may be generic though)

[sour grove]

All this above should be pinned

[hasty raven]

The basis of it all is some sort of magic extra-dimensional spirit power stuff but besides the origin, things in Hunt proceed pretty logically

[hasty raven]

Some day I'd like to compile an ultimate lore summary with sources, but I'm gonna wait until I unlock all of the entries at the very least

The pinned lore stuff is all pretty outdated, and it doesn't really explain things, just gives what's already written in the game

[rotund ferry]

imagine caring about this games lore

[buoyant peak]

smooth brain alert

[hasty raven]

imagine playing a game with a world like Hunt and not being the slightest bit interested in the story

[rotund ferry]

english not correct"

[hasty raven]

What

That's an emote

???

[icy brook]

[earnest jungle]

Trolls Shut Up For Five Minutes Challenge (Impossible)

[restive drift]

I really need a Hunt Showdown book

[potent merlin]

All I know is that the Sculptor need hosts, his curse if you will was brought into the world but had to be carried by spooky bugs n' shit

[restive drift]

Would be awesome something like the lovecraft book series

[potent merlin]

I second this

[hasty raven]

The sculptulous fingore

[restive drift]

I just posted on suggestions

[noble scarab]

as i have said before: leather cover copy of Bad As They Seem

[hasty raven]

Does anyone else think Bullet's Lullaby is about Scrapbeak, even possibly from his perspective?

I mean, it was added for his event, and gramophones in his lair play it

but I can't really connect the lyrics to him very well

I guess maybe if I finish Scrapbeak's lore, it might be easier

I'm doing that thing again where I'm imagining the 'music video' of the song and getting the insatiable urge to animate it in some way

The Prodigal Daughter's mother was a Union soldier, and Scrapbeak may well have been confederate, and the Prodigal Daughter is all about vengeance on those involved in her mother's death, so I'm imagining a connection there...

although her mom died after the war, and the death of her mother is somehow related to the AHA apparently

something that I've been really interested in for some reason is how Elise, the Archaeologist, was involved. One of the bullets on the Reckoning has her name carved in it

I'm probably interested in it so much because other legendaries have almost no implicit connection, while on the other hand the Prodigal Daughter going after the Archaeologist is in the actual DLC trailer

[dark pewter]

what are the lore implications with the legendary hunter cain

possible abel legendary hunter next?

[noble scarab]

its a community idea that cain is one of the Desalle bros

[dark pewter]

neat idea but Desalle seems like an established town at least a good couple decades old and cain is maybe mid to late 30s? the timeline would be kinda convoluted

[noble scarab]

he looks a bit older than that i think, but that is a valid point

if i remember correctly from the snippet of lore they told about Desalle, the brothers inherited the land from the family

so its possible that the bros only inherited the land

well, the town

[narrow halo]

Finch has a gf named Elisa

They were hunt partners

Spite revolver mentions that she's dead

[potent merlin]

Zombie Doctor Perk: skin care even in death

Also, inb4 Cain is the biblical Cain cursed with immortality to keep on living with the pain that followed after he murdered his brother and never die to see paradise in the after life, insane ass ol' ass bastard joins the hunt to try and redeem himself and finally see the afterlife

[oblique egret]

Scrapbeak is 100% a confederate since the game is based in the heart of confederate land and in his trailer you can see him defending fort instead of attacking

[grand acorn]

Do we have updated Reverend lore written anywhere? Before a couple of years since I touched the game so I was wondering if he got any new lore.

[narrow halo]

No

[narrow halo]

Ah, Cain, the original american

[potent merlin]

You're Cain damned right

[feral pecan]

So empathy reading this I got the urge to rewatch the scrappy reveal trailer and noticed something I hadn’t before. The one putting the prosthetics (and also possibly made the prosthetics) on scrappy was the plague doctor. So I guess I’m some way whoever the plague doctor is may have been instrumental in scrappys creation?

Like I’m sure this was already discussed but I’ve been out of the lore loop for so long now but here is a still from the video

Here is the other side showing the head in a jar and other arm along with the knowledge IRC that all the characters in the video are skins rendered in game so this would have to be him right?

Another weird point of this is that that initial battle happened in ‘63 and the events of scrappy’s appearance happen 32 years later in 1895 but the plague doctor had been abroad but it doesn’t say he returned to New Orleans in fact it kinda sounds like that was his first time there the way it’s worded. So like did he leave and come back or has he been here this whole time? And if he’s been here this whole time(and I’m not entirely sure on when the sculptor started really pushing into our world, once again been out of the loop for like a year and a half) could he have been here before the start of the event and also inadvertently caused some of this to start in LA through his madness opening up manipulation from the sculpter?(in his description it says he lost his mind and it drove him to the old ways) not to mention what we’re the cabalistic rituals he preformed?

Any thoughts and criticisms are welcome this is just my food for thought I’ve been chewing on recently and was wondering if the skin that I predominantly run actually the baddest guy😂😂

Also I realize there are a bunch of holes in this like “it could’ve been someone else dressed in similar garb” “maybe lost in translation” or more likely “he actually did work as a confederate doctor then left then came back because the wording is vague on that portion anyways”

[hasty raven]

The bullet's carving is Elise, the Archeaologist's name is Elise spelled the same way, and the Prodigal Daughter DLC trailer shows her confronting Elise

[hasty raven]

I thought he was attacking in the trailer, he's running toward the fort through trenches

[hasty raven]

I can't tell what this screenshot is tbh

But the Plague Doctor did leave to Europe and come back when the incident started in Louisiana

[earnest jungle]

It’s not clear which direction he’s running.

And again we’ve been going back and forth on whether he was a Louisiana Unionist or a Confederate All day.

[hasty raven]

He's a confederate because he's an enemy, that's the facts

[earnest jungle]

His Uniform looks significantly lighter than the much darker Union Uniforms of Prodigal Daughter and Tier II Hunters

And he was described as a “hero” for his service in the War

[hasty raven]

damn dixie birdbrain bitch

[earnest jungle]

And as the Prodigal Daughter and Peter Roche Stories make clear Unionists were not looked upon favorably in Louisiana.

[hasty raven]

Damn dixie birdbrain bitches

There's a story for the Prodigal Daughter? And what's the Roche story?

[earnest jungle]

Roche was the previous owner of the Slaughter House. He was a reformer who wanted to make animal slaughter more humane and sanitary by moving it indoors. People being people were resistant to change and began spreading nasty rumors about him. Saying he was more interested in slaughtering animals than raising them. During the Civil War he supplied the Union Army with meat and so the residents of Stillwater Bayou retaliated by burning his house down. Forcing him to move into the Slaughterhouse Full time.

[hasty raven]

Damn dixie butcher-hating bastards

[earnest jungle]

It’s implied that Peter Roche became the Meathead that D’avoy unintentionally turned into the Butcher.

[hasty raven]

Wait, how is that implied?

To my understanding from what the devs said, Grunts metamorphose in the cocoons into Meatheads and Hives etc.

Actually I could just read the story, Idk where it is

[earnest jungle]

After Roch’s business foundered because of the Slaughterhouse Monopoly he was described as becoming a recluse gorging himself on meat and becoming extremely aggressive.

[hasty raven]

Oh that's just Grunt behaviour

[earnest jungle]

It is my belief that after the darkness hit Stillwater he was transformed from grunt to meathead.

And he was the dead meathead D’Avoy found near the Slaughterhouse.

[hasty raven]

Yeah that'd make sense for him to have access to so much meat that he was able to metamorphose into a Meathead after cocooning as a Grunt

The sheer amount of meat may explain why the Butcher is so big compared to other Meatheads too

That's really interesting

[earnest jungle]

And the fact that there was meat left over to sustain D’Avoy means Roche was not long gone when he took shelter in the Slaughterhouse

[hasty raven]

Is there any explanation for how the Butcher can detect and chase Hunters so accurately when normal Meatheads can only track you for a short time after you get really close or smell poison?

Butcher doesn't even have roaming leeches

[earnest jungle]

The Butcher is not a meathead it is a demon possessing a taxidermy corpse

[hasty raven]

A taxidermy Meathead corpse

I am still missing the last two Butcher entries, but that makes sense

[earnest jungle]

What doesn’t make sense is why something that was originally predominantly clay, fireproofed skin, wire, and wood is weak to rending damage.

Perhaps it is not the bleeding but the tearing that hurts it.

[hasty raven]

That's what I always interpretted it as

[earnest jungle]

Moving on The Prodigal Daughter Sarah Burton was the Daughter of a Union Spy whom was betrayed and killed after the war.

She holds five men responsible: two she has already killed.

[hasty raven]

Well, at least one is a woman

[earnest jungle]

And the other two are none other than Elwood Finch and a man named Richard.

[hasty raven]

I reaaaaally want to know what happened to her mother that caused her to seek revenge on AHA members, especially curious about the Archaeologist's role in it

I just got censored what the frick

[earnest jungle]

One theory I have proposed is that Sarah Burton’s mother was not named Ana Burton but Elisa Burton.

Which would make Sarah Finch’s daughter and her mother the woman Finch was framed for killing.

[hasty raven]

Where do you get that idea from

[earnest jungle]

Finch was wrong implicated in the killing of a woman he was sleeping with and Sarah Burton is tracking down and killing the people who she hold’s responsible for her mother’s death.

[hasty raven]

I figured that, but what's the reasoning behind the Ana/Elisa names?

[earnest jungle]

Ana is engraved on the gun she’s using to kill people ad Elisa is the name of Finch’s dead lover

[hasty raven]

Ohhh right, I remember the Anna engraving now

Doesn't it have two Ns?

[earnest jungle]

I don’t remember but probably

[narrow halo]

Maybe Archeologist was Finch's gf

My man Elwood getting some of that dusty salami

That coincides with Black Coat still being alive, but...

Spite's describtion implies that she was dead for some time

[feral pecan]

@hasty raven the screenshots were from scrappys release trailer specifically when the soldier was on the operating table and had a figure pass in front of the camera i can find the times if you’d like. But you can see the gauntlet straps from the plague doctor on the figures arms and then the bucket that holds the disembodied head on the right side except much shinier than in the game

Also can you point me in the direction of where(if there is any) that I could find more about the plague doc as a character? Because he always felt like a very odd addition like people missed something

[earnest jungle]

Elisa and Elise are two different names

[noble scarab]

The plague doc was a dude that believed in the old miasma theory of germs, and thus wore his leather bound plague doc getup to prevent infection that way. Per the trailer he may have helped put the pre-scrapbeak dude’s legs back together, then later fucked off to Europe to deal with the Black Plague, which may or may not be supernaturally related, only to then come back to the bayou to deal with this. It is also stated that he isn’t terrible sane

[earnest jungle]

But there were no Plague outbreaks in Europe in the 19th century, the only outbreaks were in San Francisco and China.

Unless the plague doctor was secretly 500 years old I doubt he treated the black death in Europe

[hasty raven]

His bio says he went to check out a resurgence of the plague I think

Don't take my word for it

[feral pecan]

it does say that the dealing of a resurgence of the plague was what drove him mad. so ontop of all of this the plague doc has to be like at bare min 50 something unless he did traveling prior to the battle that messed up scrappys legs.

[icy brook]

It could also be the case the plague doctor is part of an association of traditional plague doctor holdouts, that could make the individual operating on scrapbeak either a different person wearing a similar suit, or the suit was passed to the playable plague doctor

[narrow halo]

I'm pretty sure they used the only skin of something remotely doctor for a video

There is a reason they didn't show him exactly

[feral pecan]

Well if they wanted a doctor look why didn’t they just use a white shirt ?

The specifically chose that skin and implicated at the very least the blacksmiths-esque garb with the prosthetics of scrappy

[hasty raven]

Time for me to talk about songs again

https://youtu.be/QcMHp0SnS-k

I think this one tells a story but I'm not concrete on the exact series of events

It generally follows a format of 'X goes to Y, X ain't coming back. Z goes to Y, does something'

First Papa goes to the pasture and 'ain't coming back', along with brother who goes with 'the devil on his back'. I think this might mean that on their trip to the pasture, Papa gets infected with the corruption, with the 'devil on the brother's back' being a metaphor for some sort of weapon, possibly because they were looking to hunt game on the pasture

Papa not coming back is metaphorical, as he doesn't come back the same as he was, now being infected

Next, Mama goes to the river, followed by the (now in early stages of infection) Papa. Papa apparently only finds Mama's hat by the river, implying she disappeared or was killed by something. In reality, Papa is beginning to break and killed Mama in a moment of madness like William Salter displayed in his early stages of infection

The verse of Papa going to the pasture and not coming back followed by the brother is repeated this time, but this time the meaning is flipped to be brother chasing down Papa with 'the devil on his back', a weapon (hence 'Papa run, Papa run, Papa why won't you run'). The brother probably realized Papa was responsible for Mama's death

This time Papa not coming back is literal, as the brother manages to take him down

Now the brother goes down to the courthouse, not coming back, due to being put on trial for murdering Papa. By now, however, Papa living with the narrator and the brother while infected has spread it to the brother and the narrator, and the narrator realized this, which is why she goes down to the courthouse with a shotgun and an axe

"Room full of bodies, flies on the wall" reveals that she successfully slaughtered the people in the courthouse in her attempt to stop the infection, but she, being infected herself, goes down to the churchyard to dig herself a grave

Finally, "Shadows come, Shadows come, come to take me away. Shadows take the dark away" is her wishing for death, a.k.a. 'shadows', to take her and relieve her of the corruption, a.k.a. 'dark'. It's worth noting the corruption is referred to 'dark' or 'darkness' in other places in the lore

So that's my interpretation of the lyrics to Devil in the Churchyard. I love the songs from Hunt

[earnest jungle]

This is actually the shortened version of the song

in an older version before the sound track was released there was another verse at the start:

Mamma went down to the river
Mamma ain't coming back
Papa went down to the river
Found our Mamma's hat

[hasty raven]

but that verse is in the song, unless you mean there was literally a copy of that verse before the 'papa went down to the pasture' verse

[earnest jungle]

the newer version of the song dropped the Mamma verse

[noble scarab]

gotta love that the songs are all canon

super hype for the new album

[night sage]

honestly the instrumentals are so good that when I hear it with lyrics im kinda perturbed

[noble scarab]

id be down for the current menu music to stay over the HMMM HHMMM HMMM

[night sage]

nah you trippin the humming is the best part

[noble scarab]

understandable

maybe a rotation

[rotund ferry]

I'm not big on this events menu music, now the hunters lullaby from the scrapbeak event slaps

[noble scarab]

new idea: menu music rotation, but the extract/menu load is the humming

[narrow halo]

Ugh, once again Empathy comes up with something stupid

I belived this song to be Lynch back story, but that depends if she's human or not

Mother died, father went to the churchyard where he got killed by monsters

Brother went to the churchyard only to discover father corpse and be accused of his murder and subsequently hanged

Lynch went to the courthouse for her revenge, killing everyone

She then went to the courthouse to put herself out of her mysery, since there is nothing to live for anymore, only to discover monsters there

She then realised that Sculptor is to blame for everything that happend to her family and decided to take revenge on him

But, in Collins writes that she lived a very long time and might not be human at all, so that might not be the case

[meager briar]

Every player had high ping all the time. WP crytek again thanks for nothing

[royal kraken]

i wanna cry cause of their tek

[rotund ferry]

#lore-discussion is the wrong channel for this, make sure to check out #troubleshooting

[hasty raven]

what if the narrator of the song House of the Rising Sun was a legendary Hunter. The song is about taking a train to New Orleans, just like the Dark Sight song

[icy brook]

The ball and chain being a life of sins and misery that comes with dark sight and eternal hunting

Thanks for the new head canon

[hasty raven]

you're are welcome

it's a good headcanon

[feral pecan]

I support this headcannon

Does this headcannon mean that upon expansion Vegas was taken later in that timeline causing five finger death punch to become modern day hunters?

That would be a weird story for sure

[hasty raven]

[feral pecan]

Now this makes me wanna know how the story ends. Will the sculptor get put away eventually or will the US be at an eternal war with him. Because this can’t stay in the shadows forever! Think of the world wide ramifications of this malevolent beings presence alone!

[hasty raven]

maybe the Sculptor inadvertently led to Five Finger Death Punch's creation...

this just screams 'metaphor for being a Hunter in Louisiana'

and the gambling aspects of the song, what is being a Hunter if not a gambler of your soul?

[small abyss]

Will we ever get the sculptor as a boss i wonder

I hope so

What do you guys think

[hasty raven]

highly doubt it

[small abyss]

Would be awesome if so

[noble scarab]

there is also a flare pistol skin called the Rising Sun

probably unrelated tho or just a reference

[hasty raven]

so the House of the Rising Sun is a survival tool store

(jk)

[feral pecan]

so real talk tho has anyone else noticed how when you get a new skin the store gives a popup of a legit store name? idk if its always done it on pc but i do know that it is new for xbox

is there any form of background or something about these guy being the ones who supply the AHA's missions?

[hasty raven]

What legit store name? I've never noticed anything like that

[feral pecan]

like not irl store but it is an actual named store in game. lemme see if i can find it

okay so it didnt show up after i bught hardin. but i know for a fact it showedd up when i finished the event track and got the hunter skins. it was like something and sons(?) General Store i think ive seen it somewhere in game but i cant remember where

[granite dragon]

I don't remember the exact name but I've also since this prompt mentioned when acquiring a legendary hunter

[rotund ferry]

I mean if we could kill the sculptor problem solved right? No more monsters in the bayou

[small abyss]

@rotund ferry well according to some every game is just a retelling of the same story so id expect it to end at some point

And the sculptor isn't like a master vampire there would still be a ton left to fight

[rotund ferry]

The sculptor is the one making copies of all the bosses, it's why we keep fighting the same bosses over and over.

Plus isn't part of the lore that the sculptor can't physically come into our world?

[icy brook]

I have a feeling the sculptor isn’t something a single man or party can kill

[rotund ferry]

Same, plus he's supposed to be this lovecraftian being. It wouldn't really make sense and in my opinion would make him less interesting

[hasty raven]

pretty sure the whole point of the rifts/clues and bosses is to help the Sculptor get into our world, that's why we close and kill them, respectively

[rotund ferry]

Pretty much this

[small abyss]

I thought according to empathy that the games are just someone telling he story how that boss died, we don't actually fight multiple of the same boss.

At least what he wrote before

[jagged tide]

We dont close the clues: We open them. We open them to find the bosses - they are just that: clues from the other side. And yes: This prbly helps the sculptor. It was mentioned before, that what the hunters are doing (mostly out of greed) is actually only fighting the symptoms but making the corruption itself (the sculptor) stronger and stronger. There were even some strong hints towards the mirror-theory.

[jagged tide]

That was an early concept from the devs, which they abandoned later.

[small abyss]

So we do in fact fight the same bosses over and over ?

[jagged tide]

yes

[small abyss]

Ah ok

[lyric arrow]

Well hunters close rifts but open clues

[small abyss]

Empathy you told me wrong 😔

[lyric arrow]

We fight the same enemy over and over

[jagged tide]

Read the entries on the spider: several people killed the spider. Glanton was the first to do it.

yes, rifts are closed to focus the energy of the wellspring, clues are opened to take a look into the other side

both are unstable "portals", but somewhere in the Bayou is a "stable" portal.

[lyric arrow]

If i understood correctly the sculptor kinf of uses mutations/corruptions that happened and makes more of the sam enemy

So there was essentially a subject zero for all enemies

[jagged tide]

Yes. Was only a theory in the beginning, but there have been more and more hints towards that.

[lyric arrow]

A huntressess baby corrupted by the hunters ritualistic blood was the first meathead

[jagged tide]

Bunny was the first hellhound.

[lyric arrow]

The Butcher was essentially a meathead changed through taxodermy

[jagged tide]

Jeremya was the first Immolater

*Jeremiah

[lyric arrow]

Spider a walking corpse pile

[jagged tide]

yes & no. In the early phases of the game it was supposed to be that way: Just the same story told again & again from different points of view. They just dropped that idea later on.

[small abyss]

Ok read the lore there is multiple same bosses its not a retelling

[jagged tide]

I doubt you just read everything 😉

[small abyss]

Yes I did

The spider stuff

[jagged tide]

ok!

[small abyss]

Wasn't a novel...

[jagged tide]

It sounded like "the lore of hunt"

Lore of Spider isnt that much

[small abyss]

I only read the spider lore

Exactly

[jagged tide]

misunderstood, srry

[small abyss]

Np

I just wanted to read what you mentioned

Also whats the reason the hunters fight one another

I mean they're all aha

And fighting evil

[jagged tide]

Well, most hunters are at best only loosely related to the AHA

[small abyss]

If thats the case then why are they hunting the monsters

The aha pays the bounty to aha members

[jagged tide]

Yes, but thats about the only relation they got to the aha: it initiated them (darksight, banishing, incolum) and pays them.
More specific: Finch pays them.

Mostly they are just bounty-hunters who heard that there is ALOT of money to be made in New Orleans. Many hunters dont survive their first hunt in the Bayou.

Even more important:

the AHA is only a shadow of its former self after the death of Huff Jones

It split up in many rivalizing groups, who fight each other.

*into

There are even religious factions with their own interpretations of the Louvent and their own agendas: night of the hunter, Bone Doctor's Voodoo-cult, Ishim Gird's christian fanatics, etc

Most hunters only fight the sculptor's minions for the money.

But their greed is making things worse.

They fight each other mostly for the money: so THEY can cash in the bounty.

When asked, why the Hunters have to fight each other in the game, Crytek usually answers with a smirk: "they dont have to". You could play this game completly cooperative - so ask yourself: why do you fight other players in the Bayou?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=803IUEgOBfE

The feuds between the hunter groups are documented by Russel Chambers (Nagant & Nagant officer entries) and Nadja Orville (Martini Henry entries) in the book of weapons.

There are also some "hunters" with completly different/unknown agendas (Lynch, Caldwell, Rittmeister H., Austin, etc).

[small abyss]

Thats true lol

I do it for the joy of it

[strong pecan]

I just assumed that the hunters are assholes, they could easily split the bounties, but since so many people die there, it would be easy to cap your partners and run with the cash

[jagged tide]

yeah, thats prbly one of the main reasons.

[inner shell]

Do we know what exactly the bounty tokens are? Are they inherently valuable or just proof that we killed the target?

[harsh ruin]

does anyone have mastery 5 of scrapbeaks lore?

[harsh ruin]

its the life force of the monsters, we sell them to groups for research and rituals from my understanding

[jagged tide]

Just theories.

[feral pecan]

I thought that somewhere it was stated that a “shoot on sight” policy was put in place on hunts by the AHA because of the possibility of some of the hunters being corrupted, so to protect their own well being. Or am I going crazy?

[harsh ruin]

i dont recall that at all, the infighting started over money, bloody feuds spurred from rivalries around when the spider surfaced

[rotund ferry]

Don't they only pay for the bounties? Makes sense that people would fight and kill each other over them. Who wants to share the loot?

[feral pecan]

That’s very fair

Then idk where I saw that

[dark pewter]

lore friends what exactly makes a hunter be damned is it more so a physical thing or spiritual since you're "saving your soul" through the wellspring

[narrow halo]

Well, they have to drink sculptor girl bath water for initiation, so there is that

After that they belive they are going to hell no matter what

It gives them dark sight and resistance to whatever corruption is going on there

But on a tier 3 hunters you can see that there is something wrong with their skin

[dark pewter]

Of course how could I have been so blind

I’ve noticed the tier 3s are more covered up maybe hiding their skin condition or to be more tactical maybe both idk

[narrow halo]

I think it's more of the tactical decision

[dark pewter]

So the well spring keeps them alive? Prolongs their sentence to hell maybe so how does the whole retire thing work out can hunters live to a ripe old age out west or are they basically fucked within a couple years with no wellspring use

[narrow halo]

Too little lore on that

[hallow kraken]

I think the fact that the redshirt is hunting to get land out west says they probably do, but he doesn’t seem the brightest so I don’t know

[narrow halo]

Apparently a lot of hunters see hunt as a way to make a quick buck, no higher "fight the evil" motive

My guess is the "YOURE GONNA DIE SOON" part isn't mentioned upon initiation

[hallow kraken]

Probably in the fine print

[rotund ferry]

What is up with revenant? Did someone bury him in an Indian burial ground or something? Why is he a zombie with a free will but other zombie just wanna slap hunters cheeks?

[narrow halo]

He's a voodoo zombie while others are eldritch possessed infected zombies

It's simple

Why don't you know the basics people

[rotund ferry]

I don't know much about voodoo and his description doesn't explain much. All my voodoo knowledge comes from saints row 2

[lyric arrow]

IIRC the nightspeaker brought him back, or gave him the chance to come back

[narrow halo]

The witch doctor

Doctor Johns

Leader of voodoo hunt cult

[rotund ferry]

My dad made me call him the night speaker when I was a boy, does that have anything to do with the lore?

[lyric arrow]

His bio says he arrived at "the crossroads", but unlike most others he chose the way back to life guided by the nightspeaker

[rotund ferry]

Like his coffin was wheeled to a crossroad? Is it like supernatural where you can summon a demon at a crossroad? Who is night speaker, the grim reaper?

[lyric arrow]

sadly i'm not that well versed in the Lore, but i'm pretty sure "the crossroad" is a metaphor of some sort

and the nightspeaker is the leader of the Cult of the Nightseer IIRC which is a group of hunters (I think bonedoc, nightseer and night acolyte are part of it)

[rotund ferry]

Is it an all black group of hunters? That would be pretty kool

[narrow halo]

No-no-no

There is a voodoo cult and a cult of the night of the hunter

Bone doctor is of the voodoo, nightseer is of the night

Then we have Sheriff's men and Preacher's fanatics

And all those unaligned hunters

[icy brook]

Hardin and Brewer’s loony bin handpicks and child soldiers

Sound more like a sitcom than a lore snip

[narrow halo]

Have you seen the weird sister

[icy brook]

In all reality it’s likely the Revenant was brought back using , or at least boss blood was a part of the ritual

Given the Night Seer’s bio

[narrow halo]

Crossroads is some voodoo thing

I don't dig into it because everybody knows voodoo is real and I don't want to mess with that shit

[icy brook]

That’s why I’ll never travel to Haiti

[rotund ferry]

Who is in cult of the night of the hunter

[narrow halo]

Night seer and night acolyte

[noble scarab]

the night of the hunter cult believes that the world is ending and they can use the blood of the monsters they hunt to save their own souls

the voodoo folks are just out doing voodoo things, and felis is also probably one of them

the Revenant was brought back from some form of chanting or ritual from someone within the Night cult, but was intercepted by Dr John as seen in the Dark Sight trailer. His bio also states that he was only the 1st to be brought back and there are others like him. He also seems to be a free agent or is somehow working with the Reverend, per that one other trailer.

[hasty raven]

I personally think the Revenant is more like a 'partner for hire' than free

it would be more like what voodoo zombis are supposed to be like

[icy brook]

As the devs stated a long time ago, magic in Hunt is never free or harmless

[narrow halo]

That trailer was fan work

So not canon

[hasty raven]

what

The Dark Sight trailer... is not fan made..?

what in the name of God's name are you on about

[narrow halo]

The one with Reverend and Revenant

[hasty raven]

You should have specified because the message you replied to was mainly about the Dark Sight trailer

[noble scarab]

That scene isn’t to my knowledge fan made at all. It’s the trailer for his dlc. https://youtu.be/Kvi0nvM865k

[icy brook]

It seems like the revenant really is a traditional voodoo zombie, just from the way he clumsily acts in the trailer, perhaps he’s just a token meat shield for hunters to hire

[lyric arrow]

Well "traditional vodoo zombies" arent actually undead

The revenant pretty clearly is

[icy brook]

True

They are just brain dead living humans

[lyric arrow]

Common theory is that a Bokor poisons the soon to be Zombie with tetrodotoxin which can be gaind from poisonous animals like pufferfish, in a low enough dosis it paralyzes without killing

[icy brook]

But it is also possible revenant was suspended between life and death at the moment of death rather than being entirely revived

[hasty raven]

I read that traditional voudou zombis were said to be murdered by the witch doctor and reanimated

[lyric arrow]

In this time of paralysis of the respiratory systen higher brain functions can die off due to low oxygen

If thats not the case i guess they are then further drugged after "reanimation" to keep them submissive

[icy brook]

I was implying traditional in the sense he shambles and can only operate under the most simple of commands, such as a human robot

[lyric arrow]

Ah okay i see

[lyric arrow]

Yeah thats what they want the people to believe

They propably are just paralyzed by tetrodotoxin based poison tho

[hasty raven]

...yeah, that's the folklore. The folklore that, in Hunt, is based on real magic

[rotund ferry]

So is the revenant in control of his own actions? He works with multiple Hunters both in game and in trailers

[lyric arrow]

I'd say so

There is nothing (other than speculation) that says otherwise

None that i know off at least

[narrow halo]

Revenant has a big ass hole where his heart was

Though, yes, I doubt that they used fan's video for a character trailer

Guess Reverend is not only paragon of faith, but is also a paragon of tolerance

We all got something to learn from him

[noble scarab]

The AHA is overall a very tolerant organization for 1895

The only requirements are being able to hold some type of weapon and have a will to kill monsters

[narrow halo]

I doubt they are tolerant of the undead though

[hasty raven]

why not

[noble scarab]

I mean they brought him back and several factions seem to work with him. He was presumably a hunter before, so he’s at least not spreading the infection around. However, I doubt they’d tolerate a grunt or someone that was turning, like William Salter, or the lady from the Christmas story.

If not the AHA as a whole, certain sects would be more welcoming, such as the Night cult and the voodooists

The Reverend might see in him proof of the afterlife, given that he came back, which he could use to further incite his band of ravenous zealots

[icy brook]

The Chitimacha hunters might be pretty wary of working with an undead hunter

[icy brook]

^

[noble scarab]

thats pretty much the limit of what we know about the Desalle bros. We do have Desalle's Silence, which states that the elder brother sometimes shot people with his silenced sparks in order to keep things in his favor

Their names would be Darin and Lewis Desalle, which would in theory make Lewis = Cain.

[icy brook]

Yeah I’m willing to bet Cain is the younger

[humble osprey]

In Hoodoo and some African folklores the crossroads is a place where the living world and the spirit world can intersect. It's the domain of Papa Legba who's depending, a guide, a trickster or a facilitator of communication with the spirit world. Also some crossover with the christian idea of meeting the devil ar a crossroads

[molten forge]

And like crossroads, bridges also tend to be considered gateways between life and death.

[noble scarab]

Liminality be like^

[narrow halo]

WhY nOt

[molten forge]

Didn't realize it had a term, thanks!

[wet goblet]

What is the Sculptor?

[modest oasis]

The big entity behind bringing all these monstrous beings to life.

[wet goblet]

So, its kind of eldrich ancient god alya Ctulhu?

[modest oasis]

Kinda? Kinda not? It's an entity that brings things to life to reek havoc, afaik.

[wet goblet]

So, then its not a sickness plague which create all that monsters?

[modest oasis]

I'm actually unsure on all of the rest of it. From what I remember, it is a sickness/plague almost that infects everything due to some demonic stuff or something. And that same demonic stuff is blood that gets injected into hunters that prevents them from turning.
Don't trust all of what I say, I'm going off of nitpicks here and there that I've heard and trying to piece it up myself. Someone who's more lore proficient is going to have to fact check me for sure.

[noble scarab]

The plague isn’t a medical thing, it’s caused by larvae that infests the blood of the victims. It turns them into grunts, that leaves the blood black, and turns the heart spherical. It also seems to make them more flammable. Grunts eventually cocoon themselves to turn into other monsters like armored or hives or meatheads

Hunters are protected via an inoculation of distilled demon blood or other ritual components

The sculptor is one of many entities trying to force its way into the world and it is unable to create new ideas, it can only copy, which is why we see the same hives and armored and bosses

The corruption it unleashed caused certain changes and it copied what it found useful

[potent merlin]

Didn't he go batshit after building Healing Waters, he got obsessed with sin and then he had to murk his entire following

[pearl zinc]

whats up with scrapbeak then? we know he was a dude and has been formed into scrapbeak b someone

[noble scarab]

His entire following at the time was zombies so it makes sense

[noble scarab]

Scrapbeak is a bit of an outlier, and we really don’t know what changed him. The notes suggest his beak was a surgical thing, but at the same time his son attests that the dude just kinda transformed or “the devil came out of him” or something like that

[pearl zinc]

maybe the sculptor has agents that do what he wants

[noble scarab]

We know some hunters get corrupted so it’s possible

[narrow halo]

I don't think so, but that doesn't make not a paragon of faith

[potent merlin]

Oh he did like, I think it's in the books. And yeah nah ain't saying that, he is a outstandingly interesting character

[devout cedar]

Im not a lore guy, but there could be something hidden here

[sand pier]

That’s a lot of bonds

[amber onyx]

From where is this from?

[devout cedar]

Steam page

[fiery sun]

Most of the background articles seem to just be duplicates, so it’s probably not meant to be read sadly

[noble scarab]

Kinda interesting that this seems to be a newspaper from SC rather than LA

[wise wyvern]

i love how they do lore in this game

its just

[narrow halo]

What books

[potent merlin]

The in-game thingy my jig I believe, can't remember where tho lol

[narrow halo]

I think his whole congregation killed each other because of infection

[sudden glacier]

the book of arms or the Monstrum?

[tulip comet]

Anyone here ever managed to actually complete the challenges for those books? Or am I just terrible?

I feel like it takes a lot but maybe that

's just me

[narrow halo]

I think he's talking about location history

[glad verge]

what was the Louisiana event scrapbook? I imagine it was when hunt started

is that still the lore or some things changed?

[rotund ferry]

I too love plot holes

[sleek crest]

I don’t think it’s fair to call it a plot hole

I doubt that the devs have not thought it through

We just don’t have all details

[modest oasis]

Thank you :)

[narrow halo]

That scrapbook didnt have any plot, just little notes of what was happening

No mention of monsters though

[narrow halo]

In this case holes is where we get the plot from, everything else is blank

Why? My guess is devs too lazy and ok with this new "no explanation" trend

[icy brook]

It’s all about the intrigue

[iron hedge]

Crossroads, Bridges, The Western Horizon at sunset, Doorways facing the west, 3-4am, naturally formed pools of spring water. The list goes on of these transition points of this life and the next.

[ashen barn]

So, what exactly is the bounty?

is it like a physical object we loot off the corpse, or is it more like a spiritual type thing?

[rotund ferry]

I believe it's something left over from the monster after banishing but nothing has been confirmed

[jagged kayak]

Has the 1889-1895 pandemic been mentioned yet?

[earnest jungle]

The Asiatic Flu ended in 1890

[ashen meadow]

vore

[earnest jungle]

Please keep comments in this channel lore related

[spark dagger]

Five nights at Freddys takes place in the same universe as Hunt Showdown

https://tenor.com/view/freddy-five-night-meme-vsauce-when-the-get-real-gif-20736533

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-five-nights-at-freddys-freddy-freddy-fazbear-ted-gif-20879587

[narrow halo]

Judging by the quality of lore both franchises get this might as well be true

[rotund ferry]

Holy shit

Is purple guy the sculptor?!

[wet sparrow]

Scrappeak is a animatronic

[woeful gust]

Hey, new to the discord and was reading some of the lore last night. Are the Edward Collins manuscripts supposed to be taken as 100% factual or are they like some guy's interpretations of events?

[rotund ferry]

@wet sparrow omg! It all makes sense now. Michael afton is the plague doctor

[real hinge]

I’m actually releasing a video on Ishim Gird this week…hopefully Wednesday. But I can confirm he became obsessed with the sins of his congregation. The theory he went crazy isn’t proved, more that he started isolating himself (similar to how Hardin began locking himself away) before the shit hit the fan with the plague. But he witnessed many of his congregation turn in to grunts and after that he swore to save the soles of the damned.

[real hinge]

I released a lore video on Friday about the sculptor. One theory is that the sculptor is beelzebub, another that it is a loa. It’s origins are very ambiguous. Also there’s a rumour it has taken human form and is inside the leadership of the AHA 🤷‍♂️ My youtube is Matterpiller and you can find lots of lore stuff on there. I’m no expert but I enjoy researching and sharing the lore - always happy to discuss theories as well

[narrow halo]

Boy do I love youtube lore videos 😒

Talk half an hour about three lines of lore

Please subscribe and don't forget to write your hellhounds dont exist in the comments

[hasty raven]

you are the grugliest man alive

[narrow halo]

I just don't like stupid things

[sudden glacier]

you have set yourself up for an extremely easy insult, just so you know

[hasty raven]

I'll leave it to imagination

[narrow halo]

It's obviosly some stupid insult

Something "ur face is stupid" and then going "WAAAH" like wario

It's all so tiresome

[sudden glacier]

wario isn't the one who says waaah

[narrow halo]

Now I need a sketch of Reverend carefully collecting soles from the pile of dead grunts

[icy brook]

I wish we had lore on who is making all these garbage (but uniquely rendered) scope mounts

Or who is manufacturing the various suppressors, aside from the Nagant

[hasty raven]

Hunters fucking around and finding out, probably

nothing breeds innovation like a large group of people trying to have the best advantage over the others with little restrictions

[icy brook]

Bubbas devaluing milsups before they were even antiques

It does seem the deadeye scope is created by a possible Carl Zeiss company rename

[icy brook]

I know it’s pedantic, but the Winnie marksman scope has the mounts on the wrong end

[noble scarab]

its just built different

really tho they might just make weird mods to the guns

[icy brook]

Backwards MOA 😳

[noble scarab]

do we have any idea who the person thats mentioned on the Bedlam Lullaby is? Its Huff's dolch, but the name isnt his wifes, maybe a daughter?

[narrow halo]

You can ask for it to be fixed in #game-ideas

[icy brook]

No, I don’t think I will

It makes sense in POV to not have that close the the camera

[celest lake]

i had a thought about how some zombies and dogs have cages on their faces

is it because people were trying to contain the spread

[narrow halo]

No, those zombies are just asylum patients

And those dogs just happend to have steel muzzles on that don't prevent them from biting

[narrow halo]

Lynch knelt slowly, hands grubbing into the damp bayou soil, blackened fingernails breaking as they met stone, then metal, then flesh. She kept her eyes on the twins as her hands slowly painfully, became the large claws of a bird The claws scraped deeper searching, digging. They met purchase, ther, and pulled from the Earth a man held in her clutches like a doll, and seemingly dead She held the small man in her craven claws, muttering, and he opened his eyes and screamed in pain as his body slowly began to change. As his hands transformed into talong Lynch regained her own hands. Feathers sprouted violently from his neck, as a beak forced its way
through the skin of his lips, the only evidence that he had once been a man the blood smeared across them

The bird screamed and flung itself into the air, letting gravity return it to its prey, claws outstretched hand reaching for Jos' throat
But as the bird descended the ground between the twins began to shake and rupture as from its depths the thick muscled length of a giant snake flung itself into the air, intercepting the bird's
murderous grasp The two beasts Ceased to the ground, snake wrapped around the bird's body, talons wrapped around the body of the snake
Their strength was matched; however, inside the snake's gruesome bite waited a poison that would tip the balance As the snake sunk its fangs into the bird's breast, it shrieked, shedding crimson feathers like tear drops shrinking as it did, until it lay on the ground, a lifeless tagged little doll man once more

[harsh ruin]

read all the lore in the book of monsters the other day, the hive and the meathead were probably the most vile lmao

[rotund ferry]

The sculptor cloned freddy Fasbear right? That's why theres so many of them

Is William afton the sculptor?

[noble scarab]

Pax claw has Lynch capturing a demon to make the serum

Nagant entires has a variation of the ritual

[icy brook]

I have a suspicion the new Caldwell conversion skin “the Kid” likely belongs to the Revenant or possibly the gambler who killed him

The elk horn grips are epic on it though

[small abyss]

To bad hes a bleach white shirt or id play him

[icy brook]

I can’t recall the Revenant’s name atm though

[narrow halo]

WEAK

[small abyss]

Begging to be shot lol

[rotund ferry]

Need a handicap

[narrow halo]

Don't have to be crawling in the bushes to win a game

Anyway

[narrow halo]

Highly unlikely

There is more than just one gambler you know

Revenant has his own revolver

[icy brook]

True, but we’ve only been introduced to so many gambling figures in Hunt

Guess we will see if it comes with a hunter

[random lava]

it doesn't say that the Abaddon boy is a gambler himself does it

[icy brook]

[small abyss]

Don't have to be glowing either 😆

May as well wear a head lamp

[rotund ferry]

Now let's not stop people from rushing to conclusions.

[random lava]

ok, sorry sir

[icy brook]

As I said only a suspicion

[random lava]

I was just wondering since I personally don't get from the text that the boy they mention is a gambler. He's a pickpocket because he comes from a moonshine and gambling family is how I interpret it 😄

[small abyss]

@random lava crytek doing billy the kid. They need to make a gun and hunter based off a real gunslinger, wild bill hickok.

Although I do like the skins

[frozen moat]

billy the kid just for fun would be 2ft but louder then a boss and every step he took his lil boots jingle

[harsh ruin]

billy story is as close to a John the hangman ruth skin as we will likely get and i missed out on it sadge

[icy brook]

On the topic of skins, Faultless is amazing, it looks like something that could have came right out of the Little Bighorn River post battle

[harsh ruin]

Is the wayfarers lore a possible tease of a new map? Cascade mountain infestation

[noble scarab]

we already kinda had that vibe with the lore from goldrush & carter's shotgun skin^

we'd be doing good to get a new map, especially one outside of LA, but they're putting stuff around about it

[harsh ruin]

The cascade mountains is a beautiful area and could offer a lot of new terrain and environmental things to deal with like snow, would be quite beautiful as well

[narrow halo]

Yes, just like Chinese hunters are teasing chinese map and Cain teases biblical times map

[small abyss]

Louisiana is a great setting for hunt being its a horror game at heart, Wyoming would also fit the western horror vibe as well. Mountains, plains would be cool

[narrow halo]

[harsh ruin]

Lmao trueeeeee, they’re actually mentioning the same area in several pieces of in game lore, Oregon as mentioned in gold rush contains part of the cascade mountain range and the wayfarer dealt with a similar infestation at her home in the mountains

[narrow halo]

There similiar infestations all around the world, yet Hunt:Showdown focuses on Louisiana event

[harsh ruin]

I think a little more map variety couldn’t hurt though honestly, the Native American characters could introduce a number of different areas, like Oregon, red rocks around Arizona, New Mexico

Maybe I’m just being hopeful lmao

His name lol

Cain killed his brother Abel in the Bible

[narrow halo]

First murder, hello

Yes, yes it does not

[harsh ruin]

He was memeing lmao

It’s okay lol

[sour agate]

What's up with Sheriff Hardin, storywise?

[narrow halo]

Was trained by Lynch, released and killed a lot of prisoners to create his posse, didn't help much in the end.

[icy brook]

Brewer and him were more focused on just killing grunts and combating general infection with their posses rather than killing other hunters if that’s any help

[earnest jungle]

While Huff and Finch and Lynch were up to no good Sheriff Hardin was prioritizing actually fighting the Corruption in the swamps.

At first he used criminals from his jail to fight the corruption but the only one who seemed to have lasted was Chambers. After that he began using orphans.

Both times his forces suffered high casualties in the field.

[sour agate]

Gotcha, thank you!

[earnest jungle]

Hardin focused on killing infected while Marshall Brewer unsuccessfully tried to regain ground in the Dead Zones.

When everything went to shit in Jackson Hardin and Chambers began laying low.

Hardin it seems survived the Louisiana Incident as he was interviewed after the fact. But Chambers disappeared without a trace to elude his creditors.

[narrow halo]

You mean Collins' father

[earnest jungle]

No they found Chambers’ father but they couldn’t find Chambers himself

[narrow halo]

You sure?

[earnest jungle]

Chambers not Collins

[narrow halo]

Why did I write Collins then?

[earnest jungle]

I mixed up Russel Chambers and Collins

[narrow halo]

Anyway, as far as I can remember they couldnt find both

[earnest jungle]

It’s possible Collins is dead

[narrow halo]

You mean chambers

[earnest jungle]

No this time I mean Collins, Chambers fate is unknown.

The difficulty here is we have no idea when the researchers notes were written. Or if they were even written by the same person.

[narrow halo]

Well, ammo notes as obviosly written by a member of AHA inner circle

I think notes about Collins too

Chambers

Damn you

[noble scarab]

There was a note somewhere that stated that Hardin was more than willing to throw Chambers under the bus so he might’ve ended up dead or something from that

[narrow halo]

Might have

The thing is we don't have any information

[empty owl]

speaking of ammunition notes, one of them stated that victor caldwell is still alive for some reason

i might have been wrong but it said that he was actually hiding in plain sight this whole time

cited from the terminus flechette entry

[narrow halo]

No, I think you're talking about the one saying he might have not died there because of all the new ammo that appeared in the bayou

[earnest jungle]

Basically during the Confessions of Sheriff Hardin he states that he could feed five or six through the winter and that if it came down to it Chambers would take the hit and go without food.

Didn’t come to that in the end only 5 out of the two hundred survived and only four of those five survived Hardin’s final selection process

[hollow pagoda]

who's Chambers?

[earnest jungle]

Russel Chambers was a deputy to Sheriff Hardin

[hollow pagoda]

ah

[earnest jungle]

He was formerly a prisoner in his jail but Hardin emptied the jails to fill his army to fight the undead

[rotund ferry]

Are the grunts and other undead described more Deadly in the lore than they are depicted ingame?

[graceful oriole]

What is the lore of Hives shooting bees through fucking walls

[molten forge]

I believe so, it's also that hunters are not completely immune to turning.

Such as in the Timothy Stone stories a hunter was on the verge of turning

[jovial basin]

Cracks in the walls

[pale sinew]

Have you guys watched this Videos?
https://youtu.be/mDpGLUBCszI
I found them yesterday.

[narrow halo]

🥱

[small abyss]

Jelly

[obtuse badger]

This game has lore?

[narrow halo]

Honestly, it doesn't

[fiery sun]

do you think we'll get a lynch legendary hunter at some point?

[sudden glacier]

no

[rotund ferry]

How do hunters prevent turning anyway?

[noble scarab]

ritual/innoculation

[molten forge]

They don't prevent it per se, they resist it.

The Inoculum if anything is more of a delay than it is a prevention

Though it isn't unheard of resisting it without the inoculum.

Such as for example William Moses, has extraordinary resistance to the Sculptor's influence

[harsh ruin]

because hes dumb lmao

[noble scarab]

Tenacity + a bit of stupidity + lots of guns = resistance to the Sculptor

[harsh ruin]

and an unholy amount of moonshine probably

[noble scarab]

that too

[empty owl]

that or the sculptor’s tendency to undermind its enemies

[molten forge]

I think the sculptor's influence might be in the form of temptation

Which could explain some of the things regarding Scrapbeak

[narrow halo]

Yes, he really tempted all those grunts around the bayo

[molten forge]

Temptation can come in many forms

Grunts seem to come back to life no matter how many times they're killed

Think of it like a monkey's paw sort of wish

Things like a wish to be saved, or to survive could be twisted such way. The Reverend's congregation all turned.

This is all highly speculative of course.

[narrow halo]

This is highly unlikely

[molten forge]

But since we don't know what the sculptor's influence is, it can be practically anything

[narrow halo]

Can't make a deal with this many people

Also it is specified that it works like infection

[molten forge]

All we know is that someone managed to resist the sculptor's influence through sheer tenacity, stubborness and stupidity

Being William Moses

[empty owl]

and possibly a family tree that looks like a telephone pole

[molten forge]

That Stubborness and stupidity are mentioned in this, would mean it's not just an infection

[narrow halo]

It's obviosly Big C of the mind first

Why is it censored

[molten forge]

Don't bypass censorship my dude

[narrow halo]

Why is sickness censored and shit not

O tempora, o mores!

[molten forge]

I don't make the rules.

[narrow halo]

Anyway, as I said, too many people to make a deal with each

[molten forge]

We can't even comprehend the sculptor, for all we know he can.

[empty owl]

cain seems to be well off the entity’s reach due to insanity alone to be frank

but he does hear voices in his head

[narrow halo]

We can comprehend people and they each want something different

[molten forge]

Voices, so it could also be perhaps... willpower related?

I.E. you lose the will to resist, it's over

In that case stubbornness and stupidity or insanity can both be a strength of its own

[empty owl]

could be, but then again monroe seems to be surviving off of willpower alone

[molten forge]

And can explain William Salter's gradual change into a grunt

And monroe surviving off of sheer willpower only strengthens that theory

[empty owl]

wasn’t he acting off at times?

[molten forge]

I believe he was?

[empty owl]

he acted normal and then acted like a feral animal the next

[molten forge]

Being strong in willpower can also explain why some notable individuals can naturally resist the sculptor's influence.

For example, I do believe that people like Dr. John for example, don't use the Inoculum.

[narrow halo]

What we know is that they can resist it temporaly

Eventualy they are going to get turned

[empty owl]

did hardin drank the demon cocktail?

[molten forge]

I believe so?

[narrow halo]

Most likely

Trained by lynch

[molten forge]

Though I could see Bone Doc and his posse having an alternative method than inoculum to resist

Either through voodoo shenanigans or otherwise

As for reverend, he is literally fueled by revenge

[empty owl]

the revenant is technically a “special” grunt, maybe he got turned to the hunter’s side due to his allegiance with the good doctor?

[molten forge]

Some individuals such as the Revenant might also have some form of immunity

[empty owl]

think of it as like a terminator

[molten forge]

The reverend and Revenant are two different individuals

Since the Revenant is technically neither dead nor alive, he might be outside the Sculptor's reach through voodoo shenanigans alone

[empty owl]

the reverend is too deep into his faith to be overwhelmed by the sculptor’s influence

[molten forge]

The native american hunters might also have an alternative to inoculum, given that they encountered the sculptor way before the AHA was even made

[empty owl]

and i did remember that he had a few screw loose as well so that might also be a factor

[molten forge]

Faith is a very strong motivator for willpower

[empty owl]

exactly

i’m pretty sure that the night of the hunters actually have some form of the demon cocktail

[molten forge]

Not sure

since they are affiliated with Dr John iirc

[empty owl]

but the method of it is a lot more...direct so to speak

[molten forge]

They might have more traditional means of resisting, I.E. Voodoo BS

[empty owl]

can you cite that?

i never actually hear their connection ngl

[molten forge]

Well, the connection can be found in the following

Night Seer had a hand in the resurrection of the Revenant right?

In the Dark Sight trailer it's Bone Doctor that raises him from the grave

Or wait

Night Speaker

I misremembered that one then

[empty owl]

yeeeah

[molten forge]

That said

The Night Seer was originally initiated into the Hunt by other people

So it's possible that Night Seer is under Inoculum

And henceforth his cult too

[empty owl]

could be

but they do drink the blood of monsters though possibly the bonty targets

[molten forge]

The inoculum is made from demon blood right?

[empty owl]

although come to thinj of it, it’s a miracle that they haven’t turned

[empty owl]

yeah

heavily distilled however

[molten forge]

Perhaps the Inoculum rather than giving you resistance lessens your presence to the Sculptor?

Thus allowing you to go unnoticed for longer periods of time

[rotund ferry]

It doesn't really Sound like a sickness, definitely something with state of mind-
We know stupid people and those with.. voices in their head arent affected. What about very strong willed people?

[narrow halo]

That is just wishful thinking

[rotund ferry]

Or very smart people

[narrow halo]

Deal stuff is clearly not the case

Also revenant is a bit of a messed character

Helped by night seer in lore

Doctor in video

And with reverend in his trailer

People who lead opposite groups

[molten forge]

It fits with his lore tbh

He wanted to be a hero.

It makes sense he's more of a free agent, helping to take care of the main bad rather than to get mixed up in factions

[narrow halo]

Maybe

Maybe not

Doubt he was ressurected only to run around doing good

[molten forge]

All things considered, he was resurrected with the help of the Night Speaker

a person or being that is yet unrevealed

Though it is possible that this night speaker entity is linked with all groups in some way?

[narrow halo]

Another demon who fights sculptor

[molten forge]

Possibly

[narrow halo]

The thing is we dont know

[molten forge]

I could see it as being the thing that links the Reverend's faith and the Bone Doctor's voodoo?

[narrow halo]

Screw devs and their unlorevishness

[molten forge]

Or perhaps even if not

If the Reverend heard someone speaking into his mind, it's very likely he could see it as a sign of god

[narrow halo]

Spent too much time there

He's likely vaccinated

[molten forge]

So Dr John being instructed to help the Revenant back to life, and the Reverend could have been influenced to work with the Revenant one way or another

For some bigger plan

[narrow halo]

Nah, too much overthinking

[molten forge]

If it's a demon we're talking about

I wouldn't put some Machiavellian planning too far-fetched

Hell, even Lynch, who could be considered inhuman, seemed to have some of those traits

[narrow halo]

step 1 - create infected zone
step 2 - make zombies
step 3 - make hunters fight each other
step 4 - Louisiana Incident 1896

[molten forge]

Basically

[narrow halo]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-creepy-smile-gif-18297390

[molten forge]

The infighting between factions as well as the hunter's greed and bloodlust towards hunting other hunters seems to be something of a corruption that happens over time.

This might be either the Inoculum or the Sculptor's influence causing such?

Additionally, do we know what Demon we have obtained the Inoculum's ingredients from?

[narrow halo]

Random no name demons

Judging from Collins tale

[mental wigeon]

where can i watch something good about the hunt lore? is there any lore at all?

[narrow halo]

There is very little lore

You can find full book of weapons and monsters in the pinned messages here

Though they are a wee bit outdated

Still, 95% of information there is

[stable tundra]

OK. Who turned that soldier into Scrapbeak

Is this known, or is this still a mystery?

Like, was it the sculptor?

I'm new to the game so I don't know the lore super well

[narrow halo]

Well, he's one of sculptor's monsters now

All that we know is that he was soldier and that he colledcted scrap

[stable tundra]

Ugh. Crytek....give more lore please. This is top notch stuff

[empty owl]

check the blog there’s bound to be some stories there

not sure if its canon with the current one though

[noble scarab]

So with scrapbeak we got some conflicting accounts going on. First, his own son’s testimony that his father had transformed after the death of his birds by his son’s hand. Then in the researcher’s notes it’s stated that he seemed to have been surgically altered with the beak and everything. Lastly and more strange, he was evidently of sound enough mind to create the bomb lance skin/variant, soon after he transformed.

[molten forge]

To be fair, wouldn't be the first instance of a boss monster being intelligent

For example Harold Black was friends with the Assassin, Vincent.

And Vincent had his shapeshifting abilities already

[noble scarab]

I feel like the assassin is a stand out case, at least it was before scrapbeak. The Butcher and Spider don’t seem to display any intellect.

[rugged herald]

Does anyone know the names of in lore hunter associations registered with the AHA?

[narrow halo]

Cult of the Night of the Hunter

And the Sinners

Sinners is AHA equivalent

Night of the Hunter is a shard of AHA

Other hunter groups are Dr. Johns voodoo men, Reverend's men, Sheriff Hardin's men, Trevor's men

But these are groups fighting over louisina incident

There are more incidents around america, namely one in New York

[rugged herald]

thanks

[noble scarab]

Can't forget Finch's guys who took over when Huff died or Lynch's posse

[narrow halo]

Doubt Lynch has a posse

And operates something of a neutral ground

[noble scarab]

Lynch has the Twins and at least a few of the people from Huff's asylum and i'd doubt shes neutral given that she is kinda the one that destabilized the AHA to begin with

[icy brook]

There also is the Native hunters, be they from different tribes it seems

[narrow halo]

Twins aren't Lynch's friends

Think of them as independents

And lynch is most likely not human

[icy brook]

She’s just an entity of pure chaos bound into a female body

So she’s just like any other Irish woman

[narrow halo]

How's she chaotic

She literally reads the future on her tarot cards and acts on it

[icy brook]

[narrow halo]

I like to think she is a human who got so pissed at the Sculptor that she became a monster and is actually close to achieving her revenge

[icy brook]

From BATs I believe she is an entity on a human shell, one she can reform if it dies, albeit at an inconvenience

[noble scarab]

That^

She’s likely had occult training as well from various places that she was able to pass on to the AHA

It seemed like the ritual/demon blood was something she either came up with or improved upon

Given that she was capturing demons for I think Huff

[icy brook]

Is there any definitive say on whether Monroe was one of Hardins conscripts, or only part of Huffs experiments? Or both?

[narrow halo]

He escaped Huff's asylum

Not the prison

Though he is in a prison in the trailer...

But that is not where he escaped from, he was just hiding there

[icy brook]

I see

[stable tundra]

What about the trailer

[noble scarab]

That’s just the father getting his metal legs put in, his overall transformation occurred later

[stable tundra]

Seriously? What about the scream? I was under the impression that the sculptor found him wounded, took him, and did something terrible to him

[stable tundra]

Reverends men=best men

[narrow halo]

It's true

Paragons of piety

[harsh ruin]

scream could be a cause of the mask, it was surgically attached so its possible it alters the sound of his screams and air like a whistle but who knows

[stable tundra]

I actually have no idea but I may be a bit biased

[stable tundra]

In the trailer it was before he had the mask. Either way, tis super creepy

[noble scarab]

He might’ve always been a bit marked by the sculptor and thus sounded a bit more like a bird

Dudes name was Avis, like the genus of birds

[molten forge]

Well, it might've taken the Sculptor years to break through in that case, so that might mean that once you're targeted by the Sculptor you will always hear the voices.

iirc, some of the lore letters talk about it being a sculptor, and another even mentioned a djinn.

So would this imply more than one sculptor can exist?

[harsh ruin]

i think the sculptor is a para-causal entity that resides within the other side in game, referring to it as a djinn is probably just superstition

[narrow halo]

Well, I think the thing that Lynch caught was called a djinn in the text

But you know how it is, people call them demons, devils or whatever they belive in

[icy brook]

Tbh the interpretations of different Hunt entities in lore is pretty interesting, at least from an anthropologic stance

[rotund ferry]

There’s more lore in Minecraft then hunt show down 🔎🔎🔎🔎🔎🔎🔎

[narrow halo]

Yes.

[rotund ferry]

The redditor has found me

[narrow halo]