lore-discussion

[dapper ibex]

Ngl I think that reviving is just a feature cos it’s online

[wet sparrow]

One of the hunters Hardin recruited mentiones that he was taught to burn the bodies so id say it might be more of a canon thing

[velvet ermine]

I think the "why to burn bodies" thing is more lore so that they dont reanimate as grunts, in the lore tabs for the nagant their's mention of hands that were taken as trophies strangling some hunters, and a few other scattered mentions of reanimating as a grunt/other monster

[tall lava]

From what I understand it was originally a bug but was made into a feature as it made sense for gameplay

[junior pecan]

Nichol's prison is within the zone of influence, can't be it as Chambers was kept there multiple hours in a row.

[junior pecan]

It's in lore because post death resucitation is a ritual

[icy brook]

Perhaps burning neutralizes the inoculum

[junior pecan]

That would imply banishment replenishes it, which is a lot less explainable than banishment just healing lost tissue

[noble scarab]

Maybe burning reduces the hunter to ash, which we can kinda see when we lose bars, and banishing just makes you whole again

There’s several legendary skins that refer to the hunter’s fear of the “all consuming fire” and we know from that one entry on Lynch that you need most of a body intact to be revived

[bold tiger]

@junior pecan could be that the are changed or was smaller.

[junior pecan]

We’re saying the same thing

[elfin cradle]

hey all, isn't there some specific reference to Satan in this game's lore somewhere? Just clicking around I can't find it but I could have sworn the game detailed him and named him something other than just "Lucifer"

[cloud bobcat]

Don't recall so. There are some references to Dante's inferno tho. Maybe you confuse Satan with Sculptor, who is an entity in the lore, but doesn't have much to do with Satan

[elfin cradle]

that's it! The Sculptor! Thank you. And yea, it might have been something I read once in the lore and thought "oh, maybe that's what they're calling the main source of the evil" and assumed they meant the devil

[fierce sinew]

I don't think the sculptor is even like, a big bad overall. I think there was a lore entry that implied sculptors were a type of entity, and there's one particular one causing everything in the game, but it's not a satan level evil force.

[cloud bobcat]

Yes, that's most likely true. One of returning hunters says in his letter/diary something along the line "maybe we have a sculptor on our hands", implying they know (somewhat) what it is, and this is not the first time they encounter it.

[fierce sinew]

Yeah I think that was the one I was thinking of.

Way I see it is it's like all those horror movies about demons causing trouble. It's a demon, it's powerful, but rarely in a horror movie is it outright satan causing problems.

[earnest jungle]

In Remembering John Hayward Hunter in the photographs there is a coded message saying “Look and you shall see Simon in the 8th” A reference to Simon Magus.

What ever this was alluding to however is no longer cannon though.

Personally I believe that originally the lore was going to have a much greater focus on historical figures that it has gradually moved away from and Simon Magus was one such figure.

[icy brook]

Yeah Marie Laveau and other figures haven’t been getting references lately

[cobalt burrow]

Shees

[cobalt burrow]

💆‍♂️

[bold tiger]

I thought they mentioned something about how severe this issue was like the sculptor type entity is a particularly powerful example of such a thing.

[fierce sinew]

Yeah a sculptor is a big deal but they don't talk about its the only sculptor around, but rather a type, and it's not the big bad king of entities or something.

It's the only one that got through to our side but it's not necessarily unique.

[icy brook]

Daemonic incursions must be fairly frequent in the Hunt universe to justify the existence of so many factions and organizations

[thick garnet]

I assume everyone has found shrek's swamp in the new map

doubt im the first one to find it

[spare hatch]

They did say that this sculptor would need to be especially strong to imbue so many bodies with "energy" at once

[spark skiff]

Good point.

[clever bison]

I'm sure that this won't get explained in the lore, but have you all ever thought about how odd it is for chickens, dogs, and horses to still be alive in the bayou after years of the plague being around?

I doubt that the Hunters bring them in since they don't really LIVE in the bayou. I guess the horses you could reason out got loose from their carriages or were left behind by a Hunter that never made it out. But the dogs and chickens in cages is just a bit odd, since nobody is there to feed or grow them

[sudden glacier]

something about their owners being the AI and that they were safe because of the cages

[clever bison]

But their food :'((

[sudden glacier]

obviously good hunters (not 90% of the community) give them food

I wish that you could feed them to keep them quiet

[hasty orbit]

the chooks would forage and i thing they be alright in the cages as for the dogs, well they are undead hell hounds so maby they dont need food

[sudden glacier]

the dogs aren't infected actually

they're just... dogs

[hasty orbit]

oh ok fair

[sudden glacier]

its why I try to not kill them

because they good boys

[clever bison]

That would be cute. Add a meat tool or smth and throw it to chickens and dogs. They could even make it a gameplay mechanic where if you come across a chicken coop or dog kennel where the animals are docile you know that someone came by and gave them food. The food you give them also has the benefit of not making any noise as opposed to destroying the lantern above the cage.

I think you should make a suggestion in #game-ideas about this @sudden glacier !

[sudden glacier]

I've considered it a few times I'm just really bad at writing stuff like that

[clever bison]

I can write one up later and I'll credit you

My job is writing things haha

[sudden glacier]

that'd be much appreciated

[pastel bramble]

question: what is a bounty token exactly? we never physically see them in game, only the silhouette of them, are they just shards of crystal or something?

[sudden glacier]

from memory it's a part of the soul or an organ

[clever bison]

I believe that it isn't a specific thing per se, but more a token from the boss to show that it's been banished

[pastel bramble]

really? because I thought the bounty tokens themselves had tangible value in the lore, like isn't that what you use to "create" more hunters, giving the various gullible schmucks brave, dedicated individuals their dark sight powers + their uncanny resliance using the power from the token?

or is there some other occult mumbo-jumbo that does that?

[clever bison]

I honestly don't remember. I need to read up on that lore cos it's been a few years lol. But if I remember correctly the ritual that gives the Hunters their powers is a blood ritual

[pastel bramble]

ahhh I see

[sudden glacier]

taking the ye olde doctor joke of "demons in youe blood" to a whole new level

[pastel bramble]

"there's ghosts in your blood, you should do occult rituals about it"

[sudden glacier]

thanks @clever bison

[clever bison]

fo sho my dude. great idea

i also added some other possible gameplay uses for it to make it more viable

[sudden glacier]

I noticed, good ideas

[clever bison]

thank you man

[sudden glacier]

[pastel bramble]

re-reading the hunt lore, I forget there's a canonical lore entried for the guy who invented sick vape rigs

vape consumables when

[hasty raven]

are all maps in Lousiana?

[cloud bobcat]

Most likely

There is some discussion about DeSalle

[hasty raven]

I thought I heard somewhere that DeSalle was in 'the west'

[rotund ferry]

They are all in Louisiana although the devs did admit that DeSalle is quite the stretch

[devout thunder]

Is it confirmed that Doctor John did indeed bring about the blight?

[earnest jungle]

No

[junior pecan]

Columnar and illuminated. They're all columnar as far back as I can remember now that i think about it, but I'm uncertain about the illumination.

Won't be able to investigate the old one's

not yet at least

I need to look for stratification. If there is definite growth then it is itself a biological element, capable of detecting gravity and in some ways sovereign

this is the largest one yet i believe, it should yield the most clarity if studied

[junior pecan]

This one doesn't look like a streamer, if it is someone correct me. It's got tier 3 descriptions on it

These are in the merchant's store in upper desalle, incandescent bulbs? Medical equipment of some kind? I've got no idea, but the crow skull makes me think it might not have been here before shtf

Lastly does anyone know what this is? looks very organic, and something other and beyond decomposition

[sudden glacier]

gives me vibes of the flesh walls from metro

[primal tulip]

it's likely a pile of fish guts, given that it's at the fishery

[junior pecan]

Why is there a pile of fish guts in the water, shouldnt it be processing somewhere?

[sudden glacier]

to be fair this is the 19th century

[icy brook]

Yeah people in antiquity would make trash heaps almost anywhere lmao

Fish guts would make sense, perhaps they amalgamated with corruption

[frigid iron]

where is the new map supposed to be, definitely not Louisiana

[sudden glacier]

actually it is

[amber plank]

Does anyone know what the meaning to the lyrics of “Bullets Lullaby”?

[distant shale]

Ive heard that these are old timey camera flashes, just google vintage camera flashes

[empty owl]

those fleshy things are chum i think

[real hinge]

Yeah it’s a blood ritual, something to do with reciting an oath and weird symbols on the ground. A brief description can be found in Russel chambers letters to his father

[real hinge]

As in Russell Chambers? If so he was in the prison that Hardin was in charge of and was recruited at that prison by Hardin. This was also fairly early on in the spread of the plague. It’s also before the current events that we play in as Hardin recruiting prisoners and operating from the prison compound takes place before the assassination of Huff.

[earnest jungle]

It’s about the Avis Wyndham Sr. As his son said no one comes out of a war unscathed, Avis came out of that war cracked and the Devil came out of those cracks.

When his son killed his pet crows, the dead crows were saw scattered across the map, with them died any warm feelings he had for humanity and he became the Scrapbeak.

[junior pecan]

I know, im saying Nichols can’t be hardin’s base of operations

[real hinge]

I think it is, the confessions have him stating he can see his recruits (the orphans in this case) in the bayou fighting hell hounds etc, and that these orphans arrive by train, just north of the prison is Lawson station. Plus other characters have their bases or important locations in their lore locatable on the maps - ishim gird and the healing waters church and fort Carmick. It just seems there’s no other location that fits for the prison Hardin used to recruit and operate from. Obviously if there’s somewhere else that fits then it’s possible I’m wrong but I can’t find anywhere 🤷‍♂️

[junior pecan]

Ok, how do you rectify that belief with what I said earlier

[real hinge]

Which part of what you said? Your reason isn’t all that clear. You said chambers was locked up there, I said he was recruited and given freedom where he was in prison by Hardin, who was running said prison

[junior pecan]

Chambers was locked up there for an extended period without immediate innoculation. If this location were nichols he would have shown signs of corruption immediately

And if this location was inside the zone of corruption, no one could stay there for more than an hour

[real hinge]

His recruitment was fairly early on, the sculptors influence was not immediate in everyone. Harding’s lore even says he was invaluable in slowing the spread at the start. There’s a number of hunters who didn’t fall to corruption but later are fighting against it.

[junior pecan]

No it wasn’t because John was in the cell with him. Meaning post John’s letter, and post sinners arriving in response to the event. Things were in full swing at that point, though not yet fractured

And that response doesn’t solve the 1 hour rule

Which very much should have taken effect by now

[real hinge]

The two (now three) maps are not the only areas to be within the sphere of corruption. There’s no evidence that chambers ends up in prison after his release/recruitment as a hunter. Hardin and his group are known to have slowed the spread of influence, however after huffs assassination is when things got bad for Hardin’s group. It would make sense that Hardin recruited and then operated from Nicholls until they could no longer hold back the spread. Same as how ishim gird starts his story at healing waters (again on one of the maps) yet only becomes active as a hunter/faction leader well after Hardin started his recruitment. This implies the sculptors influence wasn’t immediately present on the games maps/locations. I don’t think the one hour rule is hard and fast (although it’s definitely there), there’s numerous accounts of non-hunters surviving for longer and in fact never falling to corruption - I think that’s something to do with peoples will-power or even religious devotion. Although V.Caldwell clearly falls to it very quickly.

Basically I’m saying, Hardin recruited and operated from nicholls prison before the corruption reached that part of Louisiana. Same as how ishim gird was a priest at healing waters and preached at fort carmick before that area fell. pretty sure it was also gird who is said to have resisted the sculptors influence due to his fanatical religious beliefs.

[junior pecan]

That’s possible yeah, but only for the timeframe that it’s outside of the zone of corruption. Additionally, the trials description doesn’t favor the theory.

Hardin’s practices would have cleared the prison out, so trevors wouldn’t have been looking for prisoners

Could be trevors was uninformed

[real hinge]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying. He started there the. Was pushed back. I think there’s a fair bit of contradiction/not fully explained in the lore. Which to me just makes it more interesting to try and piece together 😂

Yeah he does mention in his confessions that he emptied the prison hence why he swapped to orphans 😅

[earnest jungle]

The base of operations have to be outside the Dead Zeons the lore snippets from the trials confirm as much

This passaged indicates it’s virtually impossible to hold onto any territory for long in the bayou.

And this passage seems to indicate Lawson Delta did not have an AHA presence before the outbreak began

[real hinge]

Yeah I get that. I’m saying it’s where Hardin started, but was pushed out of as his lore states he was able to slow the spread, meaning he was on the front lines. It has to be somewhere that he was able to see his recruits fighting and hear gunshots, as his confessions say as much. I’m not saying he was operating there for his entire time, same as how ishim gird started at healing waters and had to give it up, as we know everywhere got overrun. It makes sense that this is where hardin recruited prisoners from and was working from near the start. It wouldn’t make sense for one area/sheriff to have more than one prison either. As Nichols prison is pretty large.

[real hinge]

I’d also add that hardin was active very early on, it’s implied he was recruited by lynch before the time of the first hive. His recruiting of prisoners was also very early on - his lore literally says his efforts slowed the spread at the start, there’s mention of Hardin having set up perimeters to try and contain the monster and how a grunt slipped past. Yet when approaching one winter (when Huff is still alive) he runs out of prisoners so begins recruiting orphans - Huff is killed around the summer after this (so could be the winter of 1894 moving in to 1895 when Huff is killed - or maybe even earlier than that). Hardin’s recruiting of prisoners is happening before the appearance of other factions like girds group and dr John’s group as these are mentioned becoming active the summer the year Huff is killed. I get that trevors tried to go to the prison to help the prisoners escape, but clearly isn’t successful - it makes sense that this happens after Hardin and his group cannot hold back the spread anymore and left the prison as this still would have been very early on in the spreading of the plague, especially as authorities kept telling everyone it was just a sickness and nothing to worry about.

[junior pecan]

Yes but if Hardin exhausts his prisoner supply then Trevors would not seek to release prisoners.

That’s the hole

[real hinge]

I don’t think the use of prisoners was public knowledge. After all, the monsters etc are passed off as a plague/sickness and the aha is a secret organisation. I don’t think Trevors would have been aware of the aha, or the real threat when he went to rescue the prisoners as he “heard tell of something spreading” and pretty much every civilian was oblivious to what was happening. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, but I can’t imagine there being another large prison for Hardin to use.

[pastel bramble]

Theory: Desalle is on the border between Louisiana and Texas - probably not a crazy theory given how rugged the terrain there is compared to the other two maps, but I think it makes sense to explain why it is the way it is while still technically being part of Louisiana

also kind of explains whil the north and west sides of the map tend to be where all the highlands, mountains and "frontier" looking areas are, where the south and east are more swampy

[velvet ermine]

I think it would be pretty reasonable to assume that trevors had no idea what was going on with the prisoners, firstly it seems like lore wise sherriff hardins activity in the prison was secret and second off, its the 1890's, they dont have any internet, fastest way for trevors to learn about stuff would be mail, and without the trains running (if prison is corrupted then lawson station is definetly not in operation) so one day the prison just 'goes dark' as the prisoners are dead or working for hardin, so then he goes and investigates

[velvet ermine]

i cant tell too well but it looks like maybe a large syringe?

where is this in game, might have a better guess based on where

[icy brook]

It does appear to be a turn of the century syringe, where at in DeSalle did you find it?

[rapid gate]

could it be something that injects the Serum into a hunter?

[junior pecan]

Thats the same one that was next to the camera bulbs

Someone is moving them into town

[hasty raven]

I'm guessing the Nian monster and stuff related to that Chinese tradition mentioned in the bios of the 'Spirit of Nian' legendaries were actually monsters that came into China like the monsters in Louisiana?

[real hinge]

Yeah I think that’s the case. There’s definitely more paranormal entities than just the sculptor.

[hasty raven]

I ask if all of that is another instance of the Hunt happening in China because I thought the bios of the Spirit of Nian things spoke about fighting it off like it was a real thing

but I reread the bios for the legendary characters and skins and only the decoy blanks and Sniper's Gift may hint at it

the decoy blanks say 'when burning bamboo is not enough to scare the Nian monster away, these should do the trick', but that could easily just be metaphorical

On the other hand, the Sniper's Gift gun says it was passed down from Xiao Feng's father who was also a hunter, which may mean there is a version of the AHA in China that's currently active

or was recently

[clever bison]

They've been fighting entities in China, yup! And the Spirit of Nian DLC characters came to Louisiana to try to learn more about the beings so that they could go back to China and defeat them there too

@real hinge @junior pecan We've also got to keep in mind that the dev(s) responsible for the game's lore have said that not all of the lore can be considered fact, especially firsthand accounts and stories that other people merely heard about, since people can be lying or remembering events incorrectly

But I think it's more plausible that Trevors was just uninformed going into things and didn't have a good grasp on the situation before arriving at the prison

[humble ridge]

Diodato's
The best restaurant south from New Orleans
DeSalle

[hasty raven]

So DeSalle is somewhere below this line...

I'm guessing somewhere around 'Cut Off'

[real hinge]

Yeah very true. That’s one thing I really like about the lore. It’s not just, here’s the story and that’s the lore, there’s more of a realistic feel with lots of rumours and speculation. It’s great that the lore can spark conversations and we have to piece things together.

[earnest jungle]

No the Port Sulfur Band headed down to New Orleans from De Salle and we’re heading North from Lawson to De Salle. That and the geography places the map in North Western Louisiana.

[hasty raven]

The Diodato's sign though

[sand pier]

So are meatheads just butchers who lost the pigheads?

[modest oasis]

I think butcher was a modified meathead by.. was it.. Lynch?

Nah, not Lynch. Ariel D'aunoy.
This is what a reddit user has provided from the lore
"Butcher- A Meathead that became the monster we now know as the Butcher. The corpse of the Meathead was found by a taxidermist who went by the name of Ariel D'aunoy. D’aunoy took up residence in the abandoned Slaughterhouse when the citizens of New Orleans grew unsettled by his practice of preserving people’s pets. Here he came across the body of a Meathead, and began trying to preserve it to sell as the morbid curiosity it was. When he grew unsettled by how it looked he gave it the head of a pig, and an apron to hide the cut he made when taking all the internal organs out. The spikes on the Butcher are from D’aunoy’s attempts to keep the Meathead’s skin on a mud and clay mold that was used to keep the body together. D’aunoy was found dead later but could only be recognized by his glass eye."

@sand pier

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/d6qhmp/beginners_guide_to_hunts_lore/ Here's the source of it. I can also post the Butcher masteries and the like for you if you'd like to read them.

[sand pier]

Thank you, I’ve been needing to delve myself into the games lore

[modest oasis]

"Meathead- The Meathead is a creature that has a symbiotic relationship with the leeches that surround it. They act as its eyes and ears that not only alert the Meathead to nearby enemies but can also can poison them. The Meathead’s originally was the baby of Hunters Hannah and Jonathan Kinney before it became the abomination we see now. The reason the AHA did not recruit women for a long time was due to another past incident with a pregnant Hunter. While unborn, the mother was given great power by the baby. Being able to kill swarms of enemies and becoming almost berserk at times. Slowly over time though, the mother begins going crazy. Because the baby feeds off of the ritual blood of it’s mother, when born, it becomes extremely powerful and corrupted, seeking to kill anything around it. In the case of the first pregnant Hunter, the baby killed 12 Hunters before it was eliminated. In Hannah and Jonathan’s case, originally Jonathan was the only Hunter. But he told Hannah all about what he did and they did the initiation right for her as well. Over time they became an extremely powerful Hunter couple, and once Hannah became pregnant she became even stronger. However, she started to become crazy as well, as she came closer to birthing, yet the AHA at the time were unsure of what would happen to the baby. When born, the baby proceeded to eat Hannah as stood there laughing, and grew to be the size of a six or seven year old. It had no head and instead, leeches writhed all around it. Due to this incident, the AHA now gives Hunters a serum during the initiation rite that prevents conception, to both allow women into the ranks and prevent this from happening again." Here's the synopsis for meatheads

[sand pier]

I just think it’s funny how meatheads surrounds itself with things the produce poison while being weak to poison

[earnest jungle]

The sign is in error much like the signs saying Lawson Station.

[real hinge]

The dude who made the sign probably failed his geography gcse 🤷‍♂️

[real hinge]

How do people pronounce DeSalle?

[noble scarab]

De-Sal

[molten forge]

Wait, the new hunter. Could that actually be the Biblical Cain?

Considering that'd be the first murderer and he was basically told to walk the earth.

[empty owl]

i personally pronounce it as De-Sal-Le

[molten forge]

The description in both the text in announcements and in the dlc description also lightly hint at it

[empty owl]

it could be an amnesiac man who turned feral

[molten forge]

That too

[empty owl]

i guess he's somesort of a devil worshipper who turned amnesiac after a ritual and chose to use the name of cain as somesort of guilt?

granted, that his addition seems off

much like monroe

[molten forge]

Thorns denote sin, sorrow and hardship in biblical referance, and his gun being called Bone Briar

It's not certain but not unlikely either way

[empty owl]

even if he does have a connection with the new map it seems way way off

as desalle itself was a bustling settlement

and he looks like he's out of the swamp or some cave quarry

[molten forge]

What brought DeSalle down was the family fortune running dry

[empty owl]

also his theme seems to have some sort of primal attachment to it

he could be an escaped patient from huff's looney bin

just like monroe

[molten forge]

"First among these lost souls is Cain, who's said to have the greatest sacrifice, and pays his penance with primal fury."

@empty owl

[empty owl]

i should read the bible more often these days

[molten forge]

That's in the DLC description

All in all the new hunter seems biblically inspired

[empty owl]

if he is the cain, there must have been atleast one reference towards able

[molten forge]

Well, we don't know the descriptions of the weapons yet

[modest oasis]

I highly disbelieve he is That Cain.

[empty owl]

its more or less a rule of thumb, if there is cain there should be able

[molten forge]

So we don't know if there is a reference to Abel

[molten forge]

Would it be that unlikely?

[modest oasis]

Honestly, yes.

[molten forge]

Given that we're already dealing with the supernatural, and Cain is basically cursed to walk the earth?

[empty owl]

seeing as christianity is more or less somewhat of a shakey subject in hunt's lore i guess it could be both possible and impossible at the same time

the immolator is formerly a priest

[molten forge]

Mythology and religion of many kinds can fit in the supernatural

[empty owl]

but then again, since huff does ran a bedlam house for the AHA it could be another escaped patient

[molten forge]

True

[empty owl]

his weapons seems rudimentary and to be frankly honest savage like in terms of modifications

[molten forge]

If it isn't the Cain, it is very well based on him, and perhaps a nutjob with delusions towards Cain

[modest oasis]

Those are the most likely cases.

I highly doubt the devs would include the Cain in this game.

[molten forge]

I still wouldn't exclude it entirely

Since we already know people can come back from the dead, and some are outright immortal.

[empty owl]

even if he is an immortal

that means abel should have the same power as he does

[modest oasis]

I'm excluding the idea, personally. It seems very farfetched and reaching.
I just think this is a nutjob with the name

[empty owl]

or maybe not

[molten forge]

We'll need the weapon descriptions for more information

When is he out?

[empty owl]

not sure

[modest oasis]

29th.

[empty owl]

in the upcoming weeks i guess

could be the same time as the map event

[modest oasis]

July 29th. It's on the steam page.

[molten forge]

Aight

Either way I'm excited for the weapon descriptions

If Bone Briar has any references to donkey jaws I'm going to laught tho

[hasty raven]

Isn't Able... dead?

[molten forge]

Yes

Able was killed by Cain, which is why he is the first murderer and why he was punished in the first place.

Basically he was made an example of for penitents.

[empty owl]

due to jealousy mind you

[molten forge]

Which is why "First among these lost souls is Cain, who's said to have the greatest sacrifice, and pays his penance with primal fury." gives me a feeling it is very well biblically inspired

[empty owl]

hold on

desalle was originally ran by two brothers

cain and abel

[molten forge]

That could be implied yes

What happened with the two?

[empty owl]

"The brothers, Darin and Lewis, were fervent competitors. Their lives had always headed down different paths. If they had not been brothers, perhaps they would have never crossed paths. Or maybe it was their brotherhood itself that drove them apart, like two magnets repelling each other in different directions. However much they despised it, their lives brought them together as unwilling partners, and their life-long project was coming to terms with that, and making something of it."

it could be lewis as he is or was an alcoholic

[molten forge]

This might be something worth looking into

[empty owl]

he could have killed darin in a drunken stupor and drank himself into oblivion

and seeing as lower desalle actually has a schoolhouse

[molten forge]

Depends if one of them is dead

[empty owl]

schoolhouses are commonly used in sunday masses as an impromptu church of somekind

[molten forge]

Then hell, maybe "Cain" is actually one of the DeSalles

[empty owl]

the fate of the twins are left ambiguous so yes, it could be either one of them

but lewis is a strong candidate as he is an alcoholic

[molten forge]

People in that time were fervently christian, killing your own brother and going mad over it might very well bring you in a state of delusion which settles in stories you've read/heard before

Sin, sorrow and hardship

[empty owl]

and darin as mentioned in the silenced sparks skin is more or less the more professional and criminally connected of the two

so yes, it could be one of the desalle twins turned mad

[molten forge]

@modest oasis whatcha think of this theory?

[lone maple]

Seems pretty possible to me considering the name choice alone

[molten forge]

Brother killing Brother then becoming nutcase is also a very easy way for a family to go down

[empty owl]

also lewis' part of the history of desalle "Lewis was not as industrious. He had been his mother's favorite, and surprisingly for a younger son, inherited her family home, the Pearl Plantation. But wanting nothing to do with it, or its legacy, he allowed it to fall into dilapidation. He instead took over ownership of the saloon and wiled away his time on both sides of the bar."

[molten forge]

And there we have the favoritism

[empty owl]

if that actually is true

[molten forge]

Abel was the younger brother, too

[empty owl]

that means that darin is cain

and lewis is abel

[molten forge]

Indeed.

[empty owl]

ooooh i get it now

[molten forge]

Younger brother is the favorite, jealous brother kills younger brother. Goes mad with grief and loses his mind,

[empty owl]

due to some sort of recession and the family's fortune running out thin he went into alcohol

and thus visiting his brother

[molten forge]

He would Darin would also be the more capable killer

[modest oasis]

I like the idea of it more. Seems more feasible to me, and also does form parallels

Might even be the reason behind the name "Cain"

[molten forge]

Exactly

[empty owl]

this is actually a really good theory

well go us!

[molten forge]

Keep this one in mind

[modest oasis]

We are probably overthinking it, however

"I just liked the name and wanted to say he went insane."

[empty owl]

until the new dlc dropped and the character's name is revealed we don't know for sure

but it is an interesting parallel between the two

[molten forge]

It might be overthinking but it feels very biblically inspired

[lone maple]

When you guys become famous, remember that I was here

[molten forge]

And the parallels would put it in connection with DeSalle

Beardman @lone maple was here

[empty owl]

that means free dlc for us

hehehehehehe

[modest oasis]

Do I get to become famous too? I did, after all, tell you guys that you both were crazy.

[molten forge]

@modest oasis We ain't crazy until the tin foil hats come off

[wind junco]

do i get to be famous too

i joined the discord the same day this idea was conceived

[pastel bramble]

Inb4 we get another surprise boss with the next event and its "abel"

realtalk I'm hyped for the next event maily so we get the counting graves song

[hasty raven]

Weird that they'd call an alligator Able

[pastel bramble]

Abelgator

[tulip quarry]

The hive bomb description says there are no surviving examples of one, like as in no one found a left behind hive bomb with bees still inside?

[untold blaze]

That or the Bees used in it probably went extinct

[tulip quarry]

Maybe they were discarded because at some point they just died in there

[untold blaze]

And the original blueprint probably also got lost

[tulip quarry]

so there isn't any example with bees still inside

I also really love how these entries are apparently set in modern times and talking about these monsters/weapons based on like old quotes from that time and/or document references

does that mean this weird "plague" created by the sculptor went on for even longer?

so up to the early 1900s

[hasty raven]

Yeah, I noticed that too. I think all of the actual gameplay of Hunt is just a story being told from the future

[tulip quarry]

like they're set in the future and now the events of 1895-early 1900s (?) are actually being documented

[hasty raven]

A lot of the lore is too, and most of it is not known how much of it is true or even based on truth

[tulip quarry]

like how the butcher entry also doesn't believe this thing was actually real

or the entry for grunts referring "they wouldn't want to meet a pack of grunts in person themselves"

[hasty raven]

That's part of the reason I feel like all of the gameplay is just a story being told, the matches we play don't literally happen in the Hunt's universe

Because so many things about it are still decisively researched and argued about in terms of their factual accuracy or embellishment

[tulip quarry]

I love how the way how Scrapbeak's entry says how its also still a mystery to them how the beak/mask was attached

[hasty raven]

It would explain how so many Hunters supposedly went out into such a dangerous place, killing each other and tons of powerful monsters, because most of it's embellished

Some things must have been real though, like Meatheads or Hives since those were documented officially by the AHA

Hellhounds, water devils, immolators though? Could be made up

Then again I haven't unlocked the complete lore for most monsters yet and don't want spoilers but to my knowledge so far they're not officially documented, just stories

[tulip quarry]

I still haven't unlocked all of Scrapbeak's entries

the thing just won't spawn hngnhnmg

[hasty raven]

The Hellhound entries even point out how common the trope of 'demonic/monstrous canine' is

[tulip quarry]

or the zombie grunt

[hasty raven]

I think Hellhounds are probably the most likely to be completely fictional in reality

[tulip quarry]

also

[hasty raven]

Grunts were so hugely common in the Louisiana incident that I don't think they're possibly made up

[valid dove]

Hunt’s lore is definitely told through story telling I love it

[hasty raven]

I think instead, separate Hunts from around the world inspired the common depiction of zombies and not the other way around

[tulip quarry]

What I like most about the Grunts is how some of them wield weapons though

[hasty raven]

like how the Nian monster celebration is implied to come from a Hunt in China

[tulip quarry]

Is it like, they crafted them themselves/brought them with them or are they just holding them because that's what they were carrying by the time they got infected?

[hasty raven]

It's not really a mystery how they got a hold of things like knives or the medic's bonesaw, but the torches...

did they light them themselves? Are they that smart?

None carry around extinguished torches to use as clubs which could mean they throw them out if not lit, but that could be gameplay

[tulip quarry]

idk the grunts amaze me the most, because they're the most intelligent types of "zombies" I've seen in a game

[hasty raven]

I like to imagine grunts as semi-intelligent

lacking self-preservation though

[tulip quarry]

Maybe they know what they could use as weapons so they take those with them

[hasty raven]

wait is there any explanation behind the cages some wear around their heads..?

[tulip quarry]

like a grunt passing trough a town and there they look for weapons to use maybe, and like we see them in-game they have a meat cleaver or a torch on them

[tulip quarry]

idk why they have one or how did they escape from whatever even made them wear a cage on their head

[hasty raven]

Grunts can be found all across the map with them, unlike prisoner grunts that can only be found near or in prison areas for example

which adds to the mystery even more

[tulip quarry]

prisoners

I really want to play them as tier 1's

[hasty raven]

I kind of thought maybe they were put on before that person turned to help stop them from biting?

self-equipped or put on by others for safety

could have been distributed through towns and things for families

Unless the infection happened in such a way where that wouldn't be possible. Still not sure about how it began exactly

[tulip quarry]

I think they should sometimes, as a rare attack try to actually bite you and you have to shove them away

and the caged ones can't

although it would most definitely be an annoying thing considering how fast they can actually move

[hasty raven]

dead rising

[tulip quarry]

trying to run away from a fight and this grunt just grabs you trying to bite you

[hasty raven]

I think that'd be cool, it'd add another layer of strategy. As long as grunts can only grab you if you've both been standing still next to each other for a second

like if you get surrounded or cornered

Shouldn't be able to grab you if they're charging or you're running, that'd be so annoying and borderline unfair

[tulip quarry]

yeah, imagine if grunts could like tackle you

would be deadly and annoying as hell

[hasty raven]

football grunt new variety

concept art

[tulip quarry]

grunt grabs you while standing on a roof and both of you fall down
rko'd

[hasty raven]

off the top rope

alternatively, grunt tackles you right as a sniper lines up with your head

[tulip quarry]

I mean grunts are already annoying, but I also wish they were just a bit more deadlier and more than moaning idiots that also have weapons on them sometimes

[hasty raven]

oh and don't only male grunts wear the cages? I think they do, though that might be unintentional

I expect them to take less head damage too when I'm killing them even though I know they don't, because of the metal plating surrounding their skull

should that be a feature 🤔

[tulip quarry]

reminds me of the new miner zombie

(pic very unrelated, its literally red dead 2 lol) but having tier1 prisoner hunters would be cool

[sudden glacier]

it would be

you could put it in suggestions

[tulip quarry]

Sheriff Hardin did "release" some prisoners from Nicholls Prison to help out, but many of them put back under arrest

but I guess we could play as the ones that didn't get put back in jail

[fallow gorge]

Pretty sure he just put them down

[tulip quarry]

either that or they got a bullet

[sudden glacier]

hardin goin high noon on his inmates

[fallow gorge]

I'm leaning more towards the bullet since in a trail involving the gunrunner it states he went to the prison to free them

But finds no one

[tulip quarry]

oh

[sudden glacier]

which prison did he go to

[fallow gorge]

Good ol' Nick prison

[sudden glacier]

so it could be assumed that they were killed by the event

[fallow gorge]

More than likely

[sudden glacier]

but that doesn't mean that all of them were rejailed

[tulip quarry]

I guess we really need that lore trailer

[fallow gorge]

God i just a single player mode involving all the lore

[sudden glacier]

a campaign with all of the legendaries?

[fallow gorge]

Something of that sort

[sudden glacier]

and a fixed Marshal Brewer

[fallow gorge]

I know that some of the lore doesn't add up intentionally due it being told from multiple accounts, rumors etc. iirc How huff died

Lowkey want the twins as legendary hunters

[sudden glacier]

I want to be able to look down as Marshal

[tulip quarry]

Oh

Or you know, Black Coat

WITH HIS BLACK COAT VISIBLE IN FIRST PERSON

hnfngnhn

[sudden glacier]

crouches and looks down to get a better angle

jacket: lol nope

[real hinge]

Butcher was real as Russell Chambers writes about how Hardin and his crew (including Chambers) are hunting the butcher. And Lynch also sends the twins to the butchers lair.

[hasty raven]

Could just be a common legend that was well known and thus used in multiple tales..?

[glacial schooner]

Is there some good video I can watch to get a handle on the lore

maybe a few

i'm thinking of doing my own series

[empty owl]

sadly no

[glacial schooner]

Guess I’ll have to try it myself

[empty owl]

most if not all of the lore materials are in the supplementary section

[glacial schooner]

Are there any good sources from outside the Book of Weapons and Book of Monsters

[empty owl]

that and developer blogs

[glacial schooner]

Like they never said anything critical that was catalogued on the livestreams have they

[empty owl]

uhhh no

[glacial schooner]

I notice that the wiki has very little lore

Ok

Fair

[empty owl]

because we already got them in both the book of arms and book of monsters

and they are very extensive

[glad verge]

check the pinned messages, there are some documents with lore

[hasty raven]

wait what year is Hunt in again? 1896?

also what the heck is the lore reason behind not being allowed to sell guns you get from the Hunt, looted from other Hunters or otherwise

[bold tiger]

@hasty raven No actual lore reason but maybe it could be that they were in the bayou too long

[hasty raven]

Ugh this game makes NO SENSE

[spiral flame]

Is Felis an Assassin disguised as a human?

[hasty raven]

WHAT

sorry, caps

what

[hollow parrot]

silly question here, but where can one find a good source of information for the lore

[spiral flame]

@hasty raven I've heard that there's an Assassin in the lore friendly to some doctor type, and Felis' bio says that she's been accused of being a shapeshifter and is friends with a doctor. I'm no expert in the lore, just working off what others say around me, but it seemed like a logical conclusion.

[hasty raven]

pinned messages

[hollow parrot]

would that be all available lore or is there more to discover in the game's data books & on the maps?

[hasty raven]

Not sure. I think the pinned messages have all text from the Monstrorvm and the (Insert name of weapons book), but I just skimmed through the pins trying to look for the date Hunt takes place in

still don't have an answer really lol

[hollow parrot]

gotcha @hasty raven

[noble scarab]

The original assassin was some dude named Vincent that was friends with the researcher

tho i think it was implied that there's more than one assassin, and not in the cloned by the sculptor sense, but as in, more than one person was an "assassin" sense. also these assassin-folk just evidently existed for years pre-outbreak and could come and go as they pleased

[empty owl]

the assassin was originally a male and was connected to cockroaches

while felis is connected to cats

so it could be possible that felis is an "assassin" by some chance but since we got her as a legendary hunter it could be just some myth surrounding her

[noble scarab]

shes also got some lore with carter and his group

they were hunting some kind of big cat iirc

[empty owl]

i never heard that

[noble scarab]

i think its in the centennial lore

[hasty raven]

Is there, like, a list of what weapons go with which legendary hunters?

I like using the specific hunters' weapons when I play as them

[noble scarab]

i dont think there's a list but i can throw together a few

[empty owl]

some have

but not all of them

[hasty raven]

I know

but I want to be sure

[empty owl]

carter has his guns, kuoi zhong has the deadeye officer, and the beast hunter has his crossbow and hatchet

[noble scarab]

ronin: tanto + seinen sharpshooter

carter: carter's quickshot + bears leg

monroe: Pane + lock & key

night acolyte: blasted heath + night terrors~

archaeologist: mesa updraught

[hasty raven]

No I know what hunters come with in their DLCs, but I mean, are there any legendary weapons that cost blood bonds that correspond to a legendary hunter? I'm pretty sure at least one refers to the Acolytes? Also, Llorona's Heir is using the Rancor pistol legendary in her DLC preview images, even though it belonged to someone entirely different in its description, probably because Llorona herself is kind of a rancor

Sorry

[noble scarab]

all good

hardin uses Brass Flower

the reverend's got Altar Boy

the mountain man's got Bears Tooth

night seer's got the Eschaton

bone doctor = Bone Veve

think thats it

[hasty raven]

Thank you

I looked through all of the DLC preview images and Llorona's Heir is the only one that uses a legendary weapon that doesn't come with her DLC oddly enough

but the pistol she's using is fitting for her, despite belonging to someone completely different. She must have killed the gator hunter who owned it and took it for herself, which would explain its name 'Rancor'

[noble scarab]

she might not have a really specific one given that she prefers to drown folks

[hasty raven]

unfortunately there are no water guns in Hunt yet

oh sorry, but gator hunter I mean scam artist thief

unfortunately it's 600 blood bonds so I can't buy it to use on Llorona

[noble scarab]

itd be cool to end up with the Twins or lynch as legendarys, we have a few of their weapons listed

[hasty raven]

I looked into it. The Rancor pistol fits Llorona's Heir even better than what it seems at face value actually

Apparently, most versions of La Llorona's story involve bad men that make her snap

So it's even more fitting that Llorona's Heir seemingly killed Mason Lukas and stole his pistol, since he's deceives people into following him into the swamp to rob them

kind of paralleling the common story that La Llorona's husbands marry her and then betray her by cheating or becoming degenerates

[noble scarab]

dude kinda sounds like a degenerate

[hasty raven]

How would anyone believe his gator hunting stories? There are no gators in Hunt

[noble scarab]

theres some, just not shown

the water devil entry states theres a few pockets left

then desalle actually has some gator skulls in a few spots

[hasty raven]

I know, I was being sarcastic

[noble scarab]

understandable

[hasty raven]

speaking of gaders, alligator skull teaser for next boss?

[noble scarab]

a corrupted hunter boss would be interesting

[hasty raven]

I want a legendary hunter with a fake alligator hat so when you crouch through bodies of water it looks like a gator :)

you could use the Gator shotgun and Gator Legs

[noble scarab]

mountain man, swamp edition

[hasty raven]

that would be swamp man, Tib

[noble scarab]

my dudes out there, gator on head, moss in beard, covered in mud

[hasty raven]

if I had a nickle for each hunter with an animal skull on their head, I'd have two nickles, which isn't a lot but it's weird how it happened twice

(ignore redneck)

(also bone doctor doesn't count)

[noble scarab]

ah damn was just going to mention him

[hasty raven]

he doesn't count for the sake of the joke

[clever bison]

well, obviously he hunted them all to extinction

[hasty raven]

wow!

I've gotta go on a water devil hunting trip, I'm 35 away from complete mastery

and it's bugging me

[noble scarab]

poison rounds 1/2 shot them

[hasty raven]

romero rounds 1 shot them

[noble scarab]

thats fair

[hasty raven]

wait

if you use liquid fire on top of them, will they continually respawn in the fire?

[noble scarab]

i dont think so? they seem to kinda just pop up in random spots

[hasty raven]

well if I cover a large enough area...

I don't think you actually kill water devils, contrary to the Monstrorvm's kill requirement, since after you 'kill' a group, they just come back a little bit later

[noble scarab]

i'd imagine you just disperse them

[hasty raven]

it makes sense that shooting a group of wormy boys in the water would probably not kill them very efficiently

yeah, that's what I mean

makes farming them easy...

shh, I'm hunting wabbitster devils

this build cost me 50 dollars, most of it I already owned

lets see how much 35 water devils are worth

I won't continue talking about it in this channel though, whoops

[real hinge]

I’m making a lore series. It’s going slowly as it’s tricky to compile everything - currently only have 3 videos out. Happy to drop you the link (or just search matterpiller on YouTube)

[umbral shore]

oooo i wanna watch

oh damn i actually watched your first vid already and didnt know lol keep up the good work!

[real hinge]

Haha no worries. I think the quality of my videos is improving and hoping my next couple are better yet again. Taking longer to do more research and learn more editing techniques.

[hallow sonnet]

you're doing gods work

[real hinge]

Appreciate that!! 😁

[hasty raven]

I know I shouldn't talk theories in the #lore-discussion channel when I don't have all the info and don't want to be spoiled on the info I don't have

but is it possible the Beast Hunter is Bunny's old owner? I don't have the final Hellhound entry yet, could disprove it, but so far it's technically possible

I also have a headcanon that Llorona's Heir is the daughter of the first Hive being interviewed by the AHA..? Idk how plausible it is but for some reason by brain made that connection before I even knew the Hive lore

oh right, the reason was because of one of the trials is about Llorona's Heir 'mercy killing' a bunch of Hives

[real hinge]

Nice theory, could be worth a look in to. However Hardin and Lynch are said to have been hunting the first hive and at that time Ada Ruth (the daughter of the first hive) was a young girl (I think like 12 off the top of my head) so there just wouldn’t be the time frame for Ada Ruth to age enough. The mercy killing could be referring to the theory that each persons conscious is still alive but trapped inside the bodies of the monsters they’ve become and are aware of everything they’re doing but unable to control their own bodies…again it’s just one of the theories that’s found in the lore.

[hasty raven]

yeah I thought the timeline would be the issue

[real hinge]

Who knows there’s so much that’s rumour and speculation in the lore

[fallow gorge]

Unfortunately no. In the hell hound entries 3,4, and 5 the owner speaks of Bunny and confirms he has been hunting in the swamps for a while now

Reading the Bio of the Beast Hunter you'll see that he eventually arrived at Louisiana

[fallow gorge]

Adding to that Ruth lost her arm fighting a hive after going back into the swamps so she can't possibly be Llorona's Heir

[hasty raven]

I realized that but I thought maybe he left after Bunny disappeared, and Bunny was why he was haunted by the visions of the Hellhounds which drew him back

again I haven't read Hellhound entry 5 yet

could disprove it there

[fallow gorge]

Unlikely, he stay around the swamp area because a local came to give him bunnie's body

Mentioned in the 5th entry^

[hasty raven]

I'll read it when I unlock it

I think it's possible. Remember that everything in this game is legend, even the gameplay itself is likely just a story based on all of the stories of the Hunt, including the embellishments

Maybe the Beast Hunter's part in the lore about how he traveled there to Hunt the Hellhounds after having nightmares of them was sensationalized

[fallow gorge]

Gameplay is non-canon as mentioned by devs in an earlier stream. Imagine running into multiple legendaries of the same kind, wouldn't make sense.

[hasty raven]

yeah, the gameplay is just another story pieced together from what info was gathered from when the Hunt actually happened

[fallow gorge]

Well it used to be that Hunt just took place in one match, ie a bounty match

Then it was scrapped

[hasty raven]

scrapped... beak

[fallow gorge]

While that is true, remember diaries are more believable then say someone else writing

At least in my book

[hasty raven]

what are you referring to?

I think the only things that are for-sure in Hunt lore are official AHA documents

[fallow gorge]

Ah just noticed that Bunny bite his owner in the ears

[hasty raven]

The next-most accurate would probably be personal diaries. There's no reason for someone to make things up in writing they don't intend to share, unless they're mentally unwell

[fallow gorge]

Looking at Beast Hunters model I don't see scar on his left ear

[hasty raven]

hmm I'm trying to see it on Beast Hunter too

can you?

[fallow gorge]

Yep

Looks better on my screen but from I see there isn't any

Only way for sure to determine is the dates but conventionally the Bunny's owner left out dates in his dairy

[hasty raven]

he does have a big, prominent scar next to his ear...

that's stretching though

[fallow gorge]

Any questions regarding any other hunt/skin?

I own all DLC

[hasty raven]

I do too, I bought them all because of the DeSalle sale and because I'm a damn sucker

thank you though, you seem to know your Hunt lore pretty well

finally unlocked all Springfield entries, time to read

Crytek, please, please add a super-rare chance for a horse soundtrap to spawn in painted green

[sudden glacier]

what if there is but no one's seen it

[hasty raven]

cmon crytek, everyone knows the story of the green horse!

a real kneeslapper

or add it as an easter egg, have one of the cut-in-half horse decorations be painted green with a faceless corpse behind it, though they were both supposedly buried in reality

When I googled pics of the Beast Hunter to look for a scar on his left ear (I was in queue so couldn't look in-game), there was a pic of a frog monster someone designed as a concept for Hunt

and it reminded me... I really wish there were frogs in Hunt, man

if some crocs can evade the water devils, why not some froggies

I was playing the Sam DLC for Metro Exodus and I was so happy when I realized there were little frog npcs hopping around in the world

[fallow gorge]

Would be nice little detail to add

Another thing I would like them to add would be footprints

[nocturne dome]

Because the froggies got fuckin eaten man

Also they left

[hasty raven]

put froggies back in Louisiana

I'm begging you

[nocturne dome]

No

The froggies are gone

I have... Eaten them...

[hasty raven]

There should be more folklore cryptid stuff in Hunt I think

I mean the game is literally about the retelling of a now-only-based-in-legend event where monsters overran Louisiana and people go out and hunt them for bounty

We don't have many latino people in Hunt, so maybe there could be a legendary Hunter based on the mayor of the town in Mexico where the Chupracabra myth started

He lead hunting parties where they drove through the open fields with a goat cage attached to the truck, standing in the bed with a large crucifix

C'mon, a cryptid hunting legendary hunter? How do we not have one already?

notably the Chupracabra myth is only as young as 1995 though, but they could have their own Hunt spin on it

Like... the mayor of a mainly-Mexican town becomes a hunter because the influence is beginning to spread to his town, and he led parties that patrolled to fend off Hellhounds from the livestock and other monsters that got too close

only choosing to become a hunter after the influence inevitably drives everyone away and it becomes a ghost town, taking everything from him

[empty owl]

we already have one latino hunter

the rat is latino i think

[cerulean mica]

Isn't Llorona's Heir Latina tho?

[cerulean mica]

Yeah she is at least of Mexican heritage most likely as it say's she buried her father on the border (presumably of USA/Mexico) and her name is Spanish

[empty owl]

Llorona could be of spanish origin considering the legend she took her name from

[hasty raven]

I said we don't have many

[modern glen]

Is there an explanation in the lore as to why a hunter can technically be "killed", "revived" and needs to be burned to not be revived anymore ?

[hallow kraken]

I don’t remember where but I think something said you can’t be resurrected like the bone doctor did if you’re incinerated

[junior pecan]

One of the machete entries, and about a third of the way through BATS

[modern glen]

Checking that thanks

[junior pecan]

Its lackluster, like the rest of the lore though

[hasty raven]

What is BATS?

[junior pecan]

Bad as they seem. The majority of the lore covers a timeline

[hasty raven]

Oh right

[hasty raven]

Does anyone here play Dead By Daylight?

There's a character in that game, a killer, named Caleb Quinn. The Deathslinger

He was an inventor-turned-criminal-turned-bounty hunter-turned-criminal back in the 'wild west'

I bet you can see where I'm going with this

I think it would be really cool and fitting for Dead By Daylight to crossover with Hunt, and on the Hunt side of things, adding Caleb Quinn as a legendary hunter

In Dead By Daylight he's already an old man and he's pretty tall, with a device on his leg to accommodate an injury that gives him a limp, but to translate him into Hunt, they could (and should) include his younger self, earlier in his story

Dead By Daylight already deals with the concept of the multiverse, with each person having alternate versions of themselves across the multiverse who are slightly different. It would totally make sense for one version of the Deathslinger to come from the Hunt universe

But the best part is that Caleb Quinn's backstory is almost tailor-made for Hunt: Showdown. You could slot him in so easily

His story goes that from a young age, he was a very intelligent inventor. However, being an Irish immigrant in that time period, he faced heavy discrimination, and often would find his patents stolen by the same people who denied to produce them for him. This led him to snap and hunt down the thieves and take revenge, which lands him in prison. But due to the increasing outlaw problem, he's given the chance to join a group of prisoners to become bounty hunters in exchange for less punishment

He invents a speargun to harpoon criminals and literally reel them in like fish, usually killing them until he refined his invention to stop it from just disemboweling them so they could be brought in alive. The rest isn't important to my proposed crossover with Hunt, but the short is he's betrayed again by the prison warden and kills him, becoming trapped in the prison with his gang in a shootout with the police where he slowly succumbs to his wounds until being taken by the Entity

With that all said, I'm sure you could guess how this could be easily slotted into the Hunt lore. My idea is that one of his stolen patents was, in fact, the bomb lance itself. Upon his invention being rejected and then subsequently stolen by the whaling industry, he seeks revenge, just like his normal lore. However, with the whaling company that stole his patent being based in Louisiana, that was where he was interned for his crime. While incarcerated, the Louisiana incident broke, which caused the prison warden to give him the opportunity not to hunt other outlaws, but to join the Hunt, just like Sheriff Hardin did.

Heck, maybe he was one of Sheriff Hardin's inmates

Timeline isn't an issue either. In the Dead By Daylight multiverse, variations of characters are established to exist within different timeframes relative to each other, for example, the original 4 survivors in their 20s-30s being from present-day but also having 80s clothing options, presumably from versions of themselves that were that age in the 80s instead

So the already-very-aligned timeline of the Deathslinger's life and the events of Hunt could be slightly adjusted with no issue to make the version of Caleb Quinn in Hunt younger so that he'd match the height of the others and not suffer from a limp.

As for the legendary weapon(s), one would definitely be a bomb lance inspired by his harpoon gun design, 'The Redeemer'. I mean, his signature weapon is already a harpoon gun. It's perfect.

Not sure about what could be done for another legendary weapon though. Maybe a whole assortment of melee weapon skins based on the iconic weapons of Dead By Daylight's other killers

So that's my idea for a Hunt: Showdown and Dead By Daylight crossover. The opportunity with Deathslinger and the bomb lance is just too perfect. It would be incredibly seamless with both games' universes and, given the overlap between the Hunt and DBD communities, would be hype as fuck

[fallow gorge]

A crossover over a single character in DBD? Nah stretching it bro

A better crossover would be Red Dead Redemption

[hasty raven]

Hunt and DBD are so similar, lore-wise

Between the Sculptor and the Entity

[fallow gorge]

I wouldn't say similar. Gameplay, lore, nor aesthetically they aren't close

[clever bison]

Fistful of Frags crossover, when?

[wraith jewel]

^^^^^^^

somewhere, deep in the bayou

you hear it

pass the whiskey

[real hinge]

There’s literally endless sources to pull inspiration from to continually expand the game - not sure game crossovers would be the best choice but nice idea. You could even draw inspiration like hound of the e baskervilles- make Sherlock a legendary hunter 😬

Also does anyone else get the impression that Lynch isn’t human?

Baring in mind I haven’t started looking in to her lore that much, just a thought I had from a couple snippets I read.

[misty kindle]

Not sure if this is lore or whatever, but i dont think lightbulbs should burst into flames when broken. annoys me every time i see one in the game

[topaz cradle]

quickly remind me what year are we in Hunt right now

[sudden glacier]

1895

[topaz cradle]

are we over the year 1890 or 1900

[real hinge]

I think they’re oil lamps? I could be wrong.

[topaz cradle]

oh sorry I didn't see you already responded

I just discovered my home country actually made a rifle and I didn't know my own country made any weapons after the Year 1800

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t62qMhanUHA

[sudden glacier]

they are

[topaz cradle]

is the Year close enough it was made around the 1888 and fully manufactured in factories in the ending of 1896

[sudden glacier]

the game is progressing into 1896

[topaz cradle]

and even more I can't believe at that time my country was able to make a semi-automatic rifle like before WWI made a semi-automatic rifle I can't believe it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i59rTpXfj4

so this is is a better choice because this was made in the 1888

[sudden glacier]

I think they won't put it in game is for balance

[topaz cradle]

sorry if I posted this under the wrong place but I thought it would be better to ask those have to do with the lore instead of just in general

[sudden glacier]

its probably best here just to ask how feasible it is

[clever bison]

If you mean the lightbulbs that turn on with the generators then yes, it makes almost no sense

[random lava]

lightbulbs that turn on with generators dont burst in flames

[clever bison]

Yes, that's why it makes no sense lol

[random lava]

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm saying they don't already so what doesn't make sense?

[clever bison]

i meant in reference to how he said that he lightbulbs burst into flames. it doesn't make sense since they don't haha

[random lava]

Ah I see lol

[calm rain]

why is assassin missing half his face ?

[frank iris]

The Bugs ate it

Probably

Other than that

Just a model design

[hasty raven]

The miner helmets aren't lightbulbs, they're lanterns

they are little oil lanterns

[misty kindle]

no, those dont light on fire. there are others also, that are not oil lamps, but definetly lightbulbs, that light on fire. like on the main entrance of perl plantation i think

EDIT: the lamps on perl plantation are oil lamps, those in the city of upper desalle are light bulbs tho.

💡

🔥

[sudden glacier]

I mean

it may look like a bulb

but that's clearly a lamp

[misty kindle]

if it looks like a bulb, its clearly not so clear, huh? 😄

[sudden glacier]

there's no way for it to be powered

I'm guessing its just crytek being lazy so they just put a ball of light in it

[misty kindle]

but they already have a flame sprite from the oil lamps. they actively made a new one for these

[misty kindle]

true tho

[sudden glacier]

I can't really understand why they would do this though, yeah

[junior pecan]

Hm. We do have all those out of place shipments of glass objects. Could be something to look into. Energy via spirit physics in some way perhaps. Picking up and absorbing spare waves of influence intended for the bounties maybe, something along those lines.

[hasty raven]

I decided to look into the legend of the Monster Nian because of the Spirit of Nian DLC

So this explains the red fusees and blank fire decoys. I didn't realize that the red light of the fusees and red reskins were also significant to the story, that's really neat. The only thing stated in game is that the blank fire decoys are like the crackling of bamboo to scare it away, but not the red paper and light

Now for the reason I actually researched the Nian legend, I wanted to see how old it is as a tradition because I was thinking about if the Hunt in China inspired the Nian leegend or if the Nian legend came before

I learned that the legend and spring festival that celebrates it dates back 2,500 years ago. So, is it possible there was a proto-Hunt type incident that long ago that the Monster Nian came from? Or maybe it was a thing that recurred every spring? I have no idea how other entities besides the Sculptor may operate

But I would prefer to stick to the idea that the Monster Nian was actually a result of an ancient Hunt that has since faded into legend/secrecy (since there is a Hunt happening in China in 1895 as well, and it's implied to be related to the spring festival I think)

I really like lore that explains the origins of ancient myths and traditions like this

[fallow gorge]

It's implied there are multiple "Sculpters" and the one occuring in Louisiana at the moment is abnormally strong

Perhaps it may be the same ones causing all these hunts or different in each region/time

[soft crow]

^any lore on Sven?

[hasty raven]

I don't recall the name in what I've read so far

Also, I should start compiling a list of legendary builds. As in, the most character-fitting builds for each legendary hunter

Some are obvious like Prodigal Daughter and others who come with two weapons, but for people like Llorona's Heir and the Phantom

In Llorona's Heir's DLC preview images she uses the Rancor legendary, which costs blood bonds and belonged to a male scoundrel who robbed and murdered after deceiving his victims. Both the word Rancor and assumption that she revenge-killed the evil man are very fitting and relevant to the La Llorona legend

And the Phantom uses a cavalry sword in his DLC previews, but there's also the fact that the Winfield Vandals were named after him because he shortened the barrel himself to use the gun with one hand before he got the prosthetic, so his signature weapon would be a Vandal (or any other Winfield C, now that he has a new arm)

I wish every legendary hunter had a good amount of lore... as far as I know (without finishing most of the arms book), a lot of hunters have just the bio in the recruitment screen and that's it

Like the Archaeologist and Llorona's Heir

[dull marlin]

incandescent lamps existed before bulbs, though I can't help but feel like it may be an accidental explanation

[real hinge]

Yeah some are tricky to find a decent amount of lore for. Although others have plenty, just got to dig around for it 😅

[narrow halo]

Was Lousiana the only event with where so much PvP happend?

Ammo notes signify that events spiraled out of control there

Yet Timothy Stone adventures note that they had better control than some event in New York

[hasty raven]

Where is this note? I've not completed about half of the Libre De Armamentitas

[rich mantle]

Aaaaacchtttuaalllly gas mantles came after the incandescent bulb

[hasty raven]

Additionally, the miner's helmets are not even bulbs. If you look at them, they're literally just candles tied to their helmet

While that makes more sense in spreading fire when destroyed than a bulb, it still doesn't make complete sense that a wax candle would explode into flames as if it were filled with oil

Maybe like, the black gunk that replaces the blood of grunts is flammable, so when you destroy the head, it all gets lit by the candle

That would explain how grunts are so flammable, completely igniting just by touching a little, like a burning player and dying nearly instantly from it

But it does make the fact that so many are carrying burning torches, sometimes two without igniting themselves, a little odd

[fierce sinew]

I haven't looked closely at the model but I was kind of expecting them to be carbide, since it's almost close enough for it to be historically appropriate (but not quite).

[clever bison]

gameplay overrides realism in this case, it seems

[narrow halo]

Was there any lore about hunter initiation ritual?

[fierce sinew]

I think there's a little bit in the nagant silencer lore entry.

[narrow halo]

So far it seems like they need to kill somebody

My guess is that they drink some sculptor girl bath water ala grey wardens

With the same consequences

[real hinge]

Yeah the ritual appears to be : walking around some symbols while reciting some weird oath - then drink something presumably derived from the liquid around the rifts - if you throw it up/have a bad reaction to it then you get killed - if not then you’re all good. Not sure if the killing is part of the ritual or was simply Hardin testing loyalties or getting rid of loose ends.

[junior pecan]

Its not derived from from the rifts, its the innoculum, blood directly or indirectly derived from reality jumping djinn

[velvet ermine]

I'm pretty sure some lore entries (cant remember for what gun but its in the weapon book) are about how the innoculum is created, by the binding of a demon using a (rope?) of human skin and then distilling the essence down. There's also some lore (romero 77 entry) on a shot derrived from groundsel hackberry and devils snare and then injecting it

[sudden glacier]

they do indeed inject demons into you, which is why I make so many "You have demons in your blood, you should do cocaine about it" jokes

[velvet ermine]

I do not doubt that demon injection is the most common/probably most effective but the romero lore makes me think that maybe there's more than 1 method of inoculation, especially because the romero lore entries make it seem like this guy has never had any exposure to the hunt before, and that injection was also an inoculation, especially considering that the analogy used is like "a rabies shot, except if you don't take it, I'll kill you, not rabies"

[junior pecan]

Its the pax entries

And the romero entries includes those as side ingredients. That instance is kicked off when they notice a hunter’s heart they can use

[velvet ermine]

still it seems like the "hunter heart and berry" shot is a different method from the "demon skin rope" method (and granted itnever explicitaly mentions the hunter heart being inside the shot, though now that I reread all the entries that does seem likely)

[junior pecan]

Its a different method to achieve the same result, using the same main ingredient

[velvet ermine]

yeah, it's good to know that it doesnt require the person getting the inoculation to perform the killing, just that human remains seem to be a main in ingredient, which lends creedance to the idea that hardin was just tying loose ends/testing loyalties and not preforming the ritual in the nagant silencer entry

[real hinge]

Yeah I knew it was something like that. Not read about a djinn yet though

[modern glen]

Do we have any idea how many Hunters are there and how many are there in the AHA ?

[real hinge]

No idea. There’s multiple factions within the aha as well, some seem to have a large following while others are few in number. I think we can guess there’s a lot operating in Louisiana alone, and there’s mention of hunters in New York so I’d guess we’re in the high hundreds if not over the 1k mark - but maybe I’m being ambitious with that guess. There’s also going to be other hunter organisations across the globe.

[narrow halo]

When were docs here updated?

They don't even have new(old) weapons

What a joke

[hasty raven]

well that 1cecold guy is no longer around, so

anyway, to rehash that topic for one FINAL time

The miner grunts aren't wearing a bulb OR wax candle on their head

It IS an oil lantern like I initially thought, which is how it explodes into flames

[glacial schooner]

Does anyone have any lore documents they want to share?

I'm getting ready to sit down and do some research

so if you've got any to suggest, anything compiled

i'm all ears 🙂

is it true that all the wlore writers were fired?

Oh I found some pins

OK cool

anyway, did they really fire everyone? 😮

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit is that all up to date

[junior pecan]

Do you care about theory

[glacial schooner]

for my youtube videos? not really, buit i'm open to it

Is Bad as they Seem fiction or real? in-universe of course

[narrow halo]

Collins exists

Most of his stories are true

[glacial schooner]

Interesting

Philip Huff Jones died in real life in the 1940s

but in the game lore he died in the 1890s?

in real life also , his grandkids are still alive 😮

he had two kids that survived into the 1970s

[hasty raven]

Wait, Hunt isn't real..?

[narrow halo]

b-but does that imply we're not real?

[slim hatch]

Not exactly they changed the lead writer and then it all went upside down from there

[slim hatch]

I believe all of us have retired and nobody maintains it but #lore-discussion-hardcore you can check what's there, a lot of it was still the 'Old Lore' which also has been over-time cleaned up and compressed to the doc.

I just peeked here by accident once in 7 month 😄

Oh wait they moved pins here.... So yeah there you go some discussions can still be found in the tagged channel enjoy.

[glacial schooner]

Got it

[glacial schooner]

Could you elaborate on that at all? 😮

[icy brook]

The lore become less enigmatic to some extent, there also was a divergence from historical figures

[glacial schooner]

got it

who was the person who quit/laid off/etc?

do we know when / why the lore-writer left Crytek?

[clever bison]

https://tenor.com/view/people-done-like-questions-around-here-jill-teed-bartender-altered-carbon-no-questions-gif-17615650

[gritty zodiac]

To be honest looking into who wrote which stuff at Crytek and who left and who got hired when, you're probably going to kill the lore for yourself trying to understand why it may or may not have changed directions.
Regarding lore in games it's best to look at it from an inside perspective I imagine, don't break the 4th wall.

[slim hatch]

All info is in logs this is not something you can discuss in the open

[rotund ferry]

CRYTEK illuminati confirmed??

[hasty raven]

The lore behind this easter egg is aliens

[slender wadi]

there are so many easter eggs on the new map, its great. good job crytek

[glacial schooner]

i loved seeing the

where is it

the nevada thing?

whatever

you know the one

it's very funny

[hasty raven]

btw if anyone even remembers, when I suggested we get a cryptid hunter type legendary Hunter, I have a correction

I suggested they base if off the mayor of the town where the chupracabra myth began, saying he and his town were Mexican

but it was actually from Puerto Rico

Doesn't change the idea I had for a Hunter based on him very much though

[empty owl]

i'd say victor caldwell disappeared when he himself took part in the hunt and was killed shortly after by another hunter or a monster and in turn either his body is buried somewhere in the swamp or returned to life as a grunt forever cursed to aimlessly walk the marsh

also, even if there is a change in the game's lore both versions could be true as collins' work can be interpreted as both fictional and factual, to avoid any conflict within loyal members of the AHA he changed the name and time to match up with certain events within his life and he may partake in the louisiana campaign as a hunter and was former member of the AHA prior to its dissolvement

so yeah, huff's death could have two interpretation. One being slit by lynch to usurp his position as director as her own and setting the AHA to its long awaited downfall which takes place in the 1890s or shot through a window by the surviving mcgowans possibly as an act of revenge in the 1940s

to be frank, since collins' work is a manuscript for a book of somekind it is safe to say that it is mostly autobiographical in nature

think of it as gonzo journalism prior to gonzo journalism

[empty owl]

also funny thing about bad as they seem

" 'I am not your enemy!' The protest was a ragged, desperate snarl. The snake unfurled itself, positioned to deliver a killing blow. The twins began, slowly, the move forwards, one clutching a strange-looking gun, the other a crossbow."

i wonder what the strange looking gun is

[hasty raven]

bom lance

[junior pecan]

Not a gun

[earnest jungle]

I believe the gun is probably an invention of Collins based on a real weapon he only learned about from word of mouth.

[narrow halo]

Twins got some kind of weapon from death

[molten forge]

@empty owl@modest oasis

Getting more hints towards it so far

[narrow halo]

In ammo notes it is said all those new ammo types appeared soon after he arrived into bayo

[narrow halo]

Did somebody delete my messages? 🤔

[hasty raven]

We're gonna get Revanant 2: Able edition

And teamkilling is only gonna be allowed if you're Cain and your teammate is Able

[fallow gorge]

Interesting how they refer to his brother as the first sin

[wet sparrow]

Still think it’s unfair he exists

He is immortal how we gonna kill him

Hunt pay to win confirmed

[hasty raven]

They refer to the act of killing his brother as the first sin

Also I don't think he's literally the biblical Cain

[wet sparrow]

Definitely possible

[fallow gorge]

Yes i know but i find it interesting nonetheless

[hasty raven]

I really like the theory that he's one of the DeSalle brothers

[fallow gorge]

Wish we got just a tad but more info on dlc characters

[hasty raven]

So he killed his brother, which was his 'first sin' which sent him into the 'thorny tangle' of alcoholism and shit that ended up with him being a crazy wildman guy

[fallow gorge]

We that much i can deduce

But I'm speaking about how he even ended up killing his brother

[wet sparrow]

Or he just went crazy

Cause being alive for so long does that

[fallow gorge]

His background, how he connects to the overall lore, etc

[wet sparrow]

But that goes back to if he is the actual one

[wet sparrow]

Muneh

Atleast that’s what it always comes down to

[fallow gorge]

We don't know for sure yet

Where da lore at doe

[wet sparrow]

No lore for us

[hasty raven]

Archaeologist

[clever bison]

by "thorny tangle" they obviously mean he walked into a barbed wire trap

[hasty raven]

Ah of course

[empty owl]

well the history of desalle article from the steam newsgroup did mentioned that both of the desalle brothers are more or less rivals and owing to the younger brother being his mother’s favorite, the connection to them being cain and abel is quite apparent to be honest

and the fact that lower desalle has a small schoolhouse that is usually converted as a place of sermon for sunday mass

or the fact that both lower and upper desalle are in close proximity to the church compound

the connections are there but kept more or less ambiguous by the developers

also, this might be a tad bit far fetched but i think the desalle family are former slave owners and that their businesses dried up after the civil war

[hasty raven]

Cain is a slave driver, game theory

Boycott bone briar

[icy brook]

I wish we could discern what voices are speaking to Cain, or if he truly is only insane, but simplicity is a rarity in Hunt lore

[icy brook]

Interesting bit of applicable history to the Hunt lore, during the 1880s-1890s Americans could purchase Vetterli and other European milsurp rifles through Sears and Roebuck via mail order

[hasty raven]

That reminds me

Odd how we have so many Russians weapons and no Russian legendary hunter yet

(Also odd how the legendary weapon for the Chinese DLC is a Russian weapon)

[real hinge]

My latest lore video is up on YouTube - not sure if it’s ok to share a link - channel is Matterpiller. Lore video is on sheriff Hardin, would love some feedback as it was difficult to compress all the info in to one video.

[hasty raven]

Here's a little something I noticed a bit ago

the Hunt logo is a cross and an upside down cross

and I forgot what I was thinking about...

[real hinge]

Pretty sure one of Hardin’s crew from the prisons (a man named the bear) was Russian, his weapon of choice the dusters! Although he went mad and was killed by Hardin and Chambers. But could make a sweet skin.

[real hinge]

I might pinch this but if knowledge for a future video if that’s ok? Will of course credit you with bringing this to my attention

[icy brook]

Yeah that’s dope

[rapid gate]

hey has anyone else noticed that most of the guns in game that are based off of American guns have the name of a civil war vet for example General John C. Caldwell was a union general during the civil war and if you don't believe me the name Winfield comes from General Winfield Scott also a union general

[narrow halo]

Only because they can't legally use true names of the guns

[hardy wharf]

But the names they choose are a nice touch. Winfield and Winchester, Caldwell and Colt, etc. All similar and if the names match to historical figures than that's interesting

[narrow halo]

I'd use funny names

Like McCock or Winefold

[flat socket]

Iirc the names are in public domain and most of the companies that would have made the guns / have the rights to the names have been dissolved or otherwise disbanded. I always thought the reason for the name changes was stylistic

[narrow halo]

Why not change russian and european weapon names then?

Nah, they just don't want all those Colt lawyers up their asses all day long just because they have a word colt in their game

[rapid gate]

I know I was just pointing it out that they used names of civil war vets

[junior pecan]

Can they even sue if the patents have all expired?

[cerulean socket]

so what is the base lore for hunt?

[junior pecan]

You want the quick of it?

[cerulean socket]

yeah just a real quick explanation

i have no fucking clue what this games lore is at all

[junior pecan]

Ghosts are real and from another reality, sometimes they come over to ours and do a little trolling. AHA, and other organizations exist to make them stop existing. The one in louisiana RN is a ‘sculptor’ type, and for some reason people can’t seem to figure out how to kill this one. The head of the AHA, Phillip Huff Jones, is being a shitty administrator, and as a result the possibly ghost person Lynch kills him, gets killed or banished herself, and everyone freaks out and starts shooting each other, degenerating the already chaotic situation into a Kill On Sight competition for the bounties.

Devs refuse to do anything with the lore though so don’t get invested

[empty owl]

some of the weapons like the veterelli, the martini henry, and the nagant already have their patent expired and their producer bankrupt to heaven's high so yeah

the winchester repeating arms corporation still has trademark listed on the U.S. legal system i think and well its best to avoid legal troubles

[clever bison]

Yes, that's the most likely reason for Winchester and Colt not being used in this game. Other games also refrain from using the brands when trying to pinch pennies, like Call of Duty and Battlefield have been doing.

I always call the Winfield a Winchester though, out of habit, and it confuses randoms sometimes

I do like the names that they chose to replace Winchester and Colt, and agree with @hardy wharf that it's a nice touch and actually sounds pretty natural!

[hardy wharf]

Thank you

[nocturne dome]

Spencer isn't a company anymore

They changed the names of the guns that have the company names

It's purely for world building

[nocturne dome]

That's the correct answer ding ding ding

For example

Vetterli is the action of the fire arm

Not a company

Martini henry

Martini is the action, Henry is the rifling

Springfield armories isn't a company

Etc

[hollow fern]

Friedrich von Martini was the designer, actually

The action is breech loading, but y'know

[flat socket]

the Martini Henry was a real gun, but IC1 wasn't the original company

Wait no! the Martini Henry is actually one of the only guns that has its Actual name!

Yeah, the IC1 model Cavalry Carbine

[hollow fern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetterli_rifle

It's somewhat inconsistent on which guns use real names versus stylized names

[flat socket]

i think, the actual guns have real names, but the companies are different?

so, the martini and the vetterli are the gun names, but caldwell is the name of the company that makes both the single action army and the double barrel shotgun

[narrow halo]

They do

In lore there are hunter groups fighting over Louisiana

[nocturne dome]

Pretty sure it's the artillery one but

[narrow halo]

AHA remains, sheriff Hardin's crew, Dr Johns voodoos, reverend's zealots

[nocturne dome]

The action was made by martini

Or really Peabody but

It's the martini action

Henry is the rifling

It uses Henry rifling

Mosin is a person same with nagant

They aren't companies

Spencer is a company

Colt is a company

Winchester

Etc

Vetterli rifles use the Vetterli action

Those are all military rifles

Military guns rather

Company names change, most of the people names are the same

[flat socket]

Exactly

action and people's names are the same, but the companies are different

[nocturne dome]

It's all for world building

If the company names are different but they are named after someone, then by extension someone's name is gonna change

But in this case the egg came before the chicken

Spencer doesn't exist anymore

The parents on the 73 are public domain I believe

The peacemaker is definitely public domain

[hardy wharf]

So the reason every western game is vague with what it calls its guns

[clever bison]

it's because they don't want to pay royalties or go through the trouble of getting permission to use a real brand in their game, yes

[sudden glacier]

a lot of games do that

[clever bison]

i do miss the days when big name games would go through the trouble of getting the licenses to use real gun names and brands in their games. Modern Warfare 2019 really cheaped out cos daddy Activision didn't wanna spend almost anything on using real names lol. it was a let down for a game that put so much emphasis on the guns.

Hunt really benefits from the use of historical guns, in my opinion. it adds a lot to the flavor of the game and keeps it that much closer to reality

[sudden glacier]

I like the lematt because it's the 1800s equivalent of "drown them in bullets"

[nocturne dome]

No it's cuz it's a stylization

For newer guns it's different

But literally all the guns in hunt showdown are public domain

Spencer doesn't exist anymore

Why would they change it to avoid paying cash

[hallow cove]

Any interesting lore discovered in the new map?

[real hinge]

They’re not so much fighting over Louisiana, more they all have different agendas and see the other groups as a threat (at least that’s how I interpret it) - Huff sent an assassin after Hardin for unknown reasons. Lynch is pulling strings all over the place. Marshall Brewer is after the AHA inner circle. Huff gets assassinated. It’s basically all out war between the hunters. A lot could be because of the money available, or also because there’s a theory the sculptor has actually worked it’s way in to the heart of the AHA

[clever bison]

my message wasn't referring to hunt

Context

[nocturne dome]

My statement also refers to old wild west games in general

[clever bison]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-10464204

[flat karma]

So who is the Butcher?

I understand it was the body held up in the slaughterhouse but I don't understand how it makes those noises without a person potentially inside it

[narrow halo]

Guy found a corpse of the meathead of the swamp

His best idea was to taxodermy it into something more horrible

One night just woke up and gone chewing ass and kicking bubblegum

And it's all out of ass

Pig head isn't part of the body, it's supposed to by full of clay and not leeches

[flat karma]

I am wondering how it's making the pig squealing then

[narrow halo]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-confetti-awesome-gif-11884906

[narrow halo]

Winfield Vandal wiki page is the most disgusting thing I seen

It has only two pieces of lore, 1/3 and 3/3

Work of the devil I say

[hasty raven]

is it bad that I had no idea the guns in Hunt weren't real until this conversation

[icy brook]

I really hope now the new map is out we see some new original weapons, some new manufacturers would be nice too, I’d like to know what Remington is called in the Hunt universe

[hasty raven]

remingkilogram

[sudden glacier]

Reming2,000lb

[icy brook]

Or Marlin or even Savage

[rapid gate]

well they are kind of real cause most of the guns are based off of ones in RL with very slight modifications

[hasty raven]

they're real to me...

[mortal hinge]

isnt romero the name given to remington?

[worn crypt]

and even if it dosnt have the real name, most are fairly easy to guess on which gun they were based on. take the Caldwell Pax for instance. Not a real fire arm, but its description tells us it is a iconic single action that needs no introduction. The most iconic single action from the old west (and in general) was the Colt Single Action Army, which isnt in the game, and the Caldwell Pax looks eirly similar. So, common sense tells us the Caldwell is based of the classic Colt.

[icy brook]

To me the Romero looks more like an Iver Johnson or a Stevens single, but you could also be correct

[worn crypt]

I think so, cause Winfield (Winchester, which is super obvious) and Martini Henry are named, and they are the only other well-known american long arm companies. Plus Remington is most well known shotgun manufacture from this time. From what ive seen the game likes to stick with or close to famous manufactures from the time period.

[spice quail]

So how did Butcher kill that dude who found it if it was supposedly dead?

[rapid gate]

wait isn't the Martini-Henry a British gun?

[icy brook]

So Romero rolling block when?

[hasty raven]

I got the brother of Henry Caldwell as a free Hunter. Gotta use a Caldwell Conversion on him

[hasty raven]

So I'm pretty sure water devils and hellhounds aren't actually real

Just greatly exaggerated stories

Finally unlocked the last Hellhound entry, I was still holding out that maybe it would give a more definitive proof of them existing since it's a journal that'd have no reason to embellish that

But it seems as though the most accurate accounts of hellhounds aren't much more than feral, rabid dogs that are possibly influenced by the Sculptor

A far cry from the almost skeletal, armored, glowing-eyed demon dogs

Does anyone know all the places Hellhounds and, while we're at it, Water Devils are mentioned in the lore?

All I remember of Water Devils in the lore is the story in the newspaper, and I use that word literally since the Water Devil lore is presented as a short thriller story in universe

So I believe that the idea of the Water Devils is almost entirely fictional, possibly exaggerated from any number of water-dwelling creature Hunters that couldn't be easily distinguished in the mire, and Hellhounds are just feral and rabid dogs that were embellished for clout

Unless there's more info about the two from reputable sources

[narrow halo]

Hellhounds are real

I mean, they are just infected dogs in the game

Water devils too

It's just worms what are all the alligators

Dont know about you, but I dont see any alligators

[nocturne dome]

Also the fact that pax means peace and the famous colt revolver was the model peacemaker

[hasty raven]

The game that we play is not based on real events. The game you play is just a story, told from the perspective of historians piecing together info and trying to find out what really happened in Louisiana

Everything that we do in the game is as much an exaggerated tall-tale as some of the lore. I sincerely doubt that, when all we're given for Hellhound lore is a man's diary of losing his rabid dog and reports of many dogs escaping and living in the bayou, the huge undead glowing-eyed dogs with spiked collars and armor were the reality of the situation

As for the Water Devils, their lore is literally a thriller story written for the newspaper

Compared to the detailed accounts of Grunts, Armored, Hives, and some of the bosses, the accounts of Hellhounds and Water Devils are both scant and unreliable. In a game with heavy emphasis on unreliable narration and legend in the lore, that's telling

[lusty oak]

Does anyone know what "the true deck" is?
On hunt's website, there is a desk of hunters. There you can find a description about a deck of cards and memories and blood.
What would this relate to?
And is it possible that this is a hint to secret collectables etc hidden throughout the map?

[hasty raven]

Link?

[lusty oak]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/game

scroll down a little to the interactive picture. and in the bottom left, an "X" can be clicked.

[hasty raven]

Even the Researcher doesn't believe Hellhounds were real. And apparently he was a Hunter himself

[hasty raven]

I've never heard of that before

It sounds like it might be referring to the accolades we get after a Hunt and/or traits

There's a card with the 'resilience' icon on it next to it

Probably just what traits and stuff are

[lusty oak]

That seems like the most logical and obvious option. 😆 i didn't even think about that

[hasty raven]

There's a card with the daily challenge complete icon on it too

The same card that shows up in the post game screen if you completed a daily challenge last Hunt

[lusty oak]

yeah i see it. I didn't think to compare that card to the other cards scattered on the table. so missing that link bought me to an idea that there is something more going on

[hasty raven]

Oddly enough, the card that prompts the 'true deck' popup doesn't seem to be related to any trait or accolade... but I'm not sure

Is the hands under a dripping heart icon in the game?

[lusty oak]

the description given and the heart leads me to think of something like bloodless.

but it's not the picture

found it

not the exact same but similar enough to say it's that

[hasty raven]

Yeah, I thought of bloodless too. 'Memories are bleeding, blood remembers the truth, it stops leaving my body'

[hasty raven]

Could be the old icon

Of Bloodless or maxed out