often happens to hermits
#lore-discussion
brave topaz
ashen tartan
About the butcher.
In fact, we should be careful. He's liable to show up screaming. Saying its name is a faster way to summon him than @hoary barn him.
We have someone named ing? Sorry bud.
brave topaz
Either way, i think what we should collectively work on here is the effects of ritual blood on "lesser" life forms such as foetal humans and parasites and their effects on the "hosts" if that's what a parent is to a zombie child
urban burrow
Make butcher great again 😄 (testing the summoning powers)
brave topaz
my sarcasmometer is going off the charts
urban burrow
Then i demand a rubber ducky boss 😄
brave topaz
i feel like arpy is trying to poke the Hermit's nest
forest condor
i got a better backstory
duckenstein is a dormant entity that's slowly changing as he grows more and more awake, as he wakes up he starts reaching his influence into other stuffed animals eventually coming actoss the butcher
boom
gold
forest condor
ofc
brave topaz
i like mine to be oversized and writhing with maggots
with a butcher'd pig's head atop it
brave topaz
Maybe the butcher's just a midget in an mech suit
forest condor
makes sense
brave topaz
hey something else weird
brave topaz
ik the leeches are kinda an afterthought when you talk about the meatheads
but it seems like the ritual blood an parasitic bloodsuckers are a common couple
idk if that's got something to do with the sculptor or not but it's just weird that the two creatures we KNOW have been exposed to it also happen to either be parasites or be laden with them
warm sequoia
I’d like a roaming mini boss like the meathead but a roaming boss wouldn’t work with the current game
Even more wise as the bosses take to buildings to hide from hunters
urban burrow
I fail to see how one wouldnt work with the game
and the lore seems perfectly set up for it
brave topaz
Because it would shit on the concept of "bounty hunt" a little bit
urban burrow
How?
You could get a bounty for this roaming boss. Collect three clues now you can see him in darksight whereever he is
boom
brave topaz
Ok so your game concept is that there is a boss arena located somewhere on a map, you must locate clues at certain landmarks to pin point this location
you could encounter the boss earlier however
but with a roaming boss YOU are the hunted
not the other way around
urban burrow
It could easily be both
brave topaz
so it kinda takes apart and deconstructs the entire concept of the game even the name itself at its core
urban burrow
You could easily get a bounty for something that hunts people
Seeing how alot of this stuff does just that in lore
Even the name itself? Bounty hunt. YOu get a bounty for this creature
I mean it lines up very well
brave topaz
probably not the best channel to discuss this in
urban burrow
It just does not fit into the constraint of being within a compound
Also i brought it up, in a lore based way. You are the one who went to gameplay here 😄
brave topaz
either way a roaming boss would have to have its own mode IMO because it just throws the gameplay off
it's not that it disagrees with the lore it's just that it fundamentally doesn't work, and it'd be incredibly difficult for the devs to implement
urban burrow
I feel your wrong. 😄 And i believe it fits the lore better then creatures that are already in...ALA butcher
i disagree it fundamentally doesn't work
warm sequoia
It does disagree with the lore
urban burrow
So these creatures dont hunt people in the lore?
they dont try to kill people in the lure?
lore
They dont move around at all in the lore? Why are there clues then?
warm sequoia
Until proven wrong by a lore master the bosses enter compounds to hide from hunters
brave topaz
bort is correct actually, we know the monsters are intelligent
warm sequoia
I vividly remember that being the devs lore reason to not include roaming monsters
brave topaz
and they know they aren't strong enough to stay in the open
warm sequoia
It doesn’t necessarily make sense in the context of the Assassin to me but it certainly makes sense for the butcher and spider
urban burrow
Yeah that doesnt mean they all arent strong enough to stay in the open. Or have the desire to hunt down hunters. If i was a sculptor i would specifically design things to do this
warm sequoia
They aren’t designed to fight hunters
That’s the assassin
Except he was confined to a building
Which doesn’t make sense to me
But that is the lore
brave topaz
The monsters have no need to actually hunt though
urban burrow
yes for arbitrary reasons because they did not want to put in the effort of making a roaming boss. Does not mean it wont fit
warm sequoia
And they aren’t strong enough to stay in the open
urban burrow
Is that right brit. What was the assassin designed for?
warm sequoia
The butcher gets shit on in compounds
brave topaz
it's designed to kill them, doesn't NEED to
warm sequoia
It would get shit in worse outside them
urban burrow
I never said something would NEED to
warm sequoia
The spider would also not last 5 seconds outside a compound
urban burrow
The butcher being easy has nothing to do with the lore
brave topaz
if there is no necessity then there's no point in roaming
you need to find a reason for the bosses to roam
urban burrow
To kill hunters? Much like the reason the assassin was made?
urban burrow
The assassin would be way more deadly in an open environment instead of a building...But you say it hides there because its smart?
warm sequoia
If the assassin roamed to kill hunters they would just go in larger bands
brave topaz
exactly
warm sequoia
No it wouldn’t
warm sequoia
It would get shit on in an open field
urban burrow
and?
brave topaz
SO IF YOU PUT THE DAMN THING IN AN OPEN ASS FIELD IT'LL GET SNIPED THE SHIT OUT OF
urban burrow
It would be so stealthy in its bug form it could easily move around and sneak up on hunters pretty easily
I disagree
warm sequoia
Are you telling me
You wouldn’t notice a giant pile of bugs sculpting towards you
I would
urban burrow
Of course you would 😄 You would notice in in corn fields? In forested areas? in high grass?
urban burrow
If it was smart it would not confine itself to a building where it has no possibilities of stealth like an assassin should
warm sequoia
For better or for (IMO) worse they were designed for cqc
brave topaz
arpy help
forest condor
they're traces of the boss
urban burrow
Yes that was my point that they already move around
brave topaz
THEY HIDE BECAUSE ALL OF THE BOSSES ARE BIG FUCKING TARGETS DUDE
forest condor
also the assassin is known to walk among hunter
warm sequoia
Doesn’t matter the lore the way something happens in game is what u base it on
forest condor
hunters
urban burrow
Exactly stealthily
forest condor
they hide for the protection offered by a building with bulletproof walls
urban burrow
when were the walls made bulletproof?
warm sequoia
The assassin could work as a roaming boss
urban burrow
it could
forest condor
the assassin woudn't work as a roaming boss
urban burrow
very well
warm sequoia
But it would need a serious rework
brave topaz
oh my god proxy
warm sequoia
And that is not likely
forest condor
it's not exactly capable of fighting in th eopen
warm sequoia
Maybe let it fly in bug form, more ranged attacks
brave topaz
look at the spider's mechanics
warm sequoia
And that would be really annoying
urban burrow
Yeah currently bosses are a joke. A bit of challenge would be nice
urban burrow
no its actually not
brave topaz
getting rude here
warm sequoia
I would’ve liked them to make the assassin stronger by a decent margin
And then up the bounty
Bruh sending emojis in an argument is kinda cringe dawg
brave topaz
honestly a roaming boss would be so much easier to cheese
warm sequoia
If I were to make one
brave topaz
you have one dude kite with a shotgun and another or two with mosins or sparks
warm sequoia
And this is just something I thought up on the spot
ashen tartan
So for a "bounty hunting" game it'd make more sense to have tracking mechanics and fight roaming bosses. But this ain't a bounty hunting game, the hunt is secondary to pvp
We've established that.
urban burrow
That is assuming the mechanics allow kiting
ashen tartan
more later, in a game of league
warm sequoia
Ever I think could work do to the assassins clones
Every clue you get, attacks an assassin clone to fight, which attacks you at some point after leaving the compound
brave topaz
there's no chance in hell any of the current bosses could roam and be even remotely intimidating
brave topaz
and there's no chance in hell they could create a boss that can roam effectively and not be ludicrously overpowered
warm sequoia
Could be cool
urban burrow
Yeah because they do not have the mechanics for it. If they implemented a roaming boss they in fact would have mechanics for it
warm sequoia
But sounds really annoying
brave topaz
proxy when do you expect this game to come out?
warm sequoia
Having mechanics doesn’t mean they’d work
brave topaz
well heres the thing
urban burrow
I said it would be a cool addition that would fit the lore
brave topaz
to implement a roaming boss
warm sequoia
They have mechanics for a lot of ai, not all of them were good
brave topaz
the devs have to completely deconstruct current boss mechanics
warm sequoia
It would t fit lore is the problem
urban burrow
Stop assuming that im saying it should be added before release
it makes an ass out of you
😄
and me
warm sequoia
Sending emojis makes an ass out of you
brave topaz
either way it's just not possible
warm sequoia
Nice argument
urban burrow
Its definitely possible
urban burrow
To say its impossible is very ignorant
warm sequoia
There’s no point in this argument any more
brave topaz
sorry to all for flooding the lore chat with bullshit
warm sequoia
Apologies
warm sequoia
We were wrong lol
urban burrow
Hey, i started with lore reasons. They brought gameplay up
warm sequoia
I hope there’s no hard feelings cuz I like you guys
And I want a roaming boss
But it would not work with current gameplay or lore, and the devs aren’t going to retcon their current stuff
Sadly
urban burrow
They retcon stuff on a daily basis lol
brave topaz
ok. first of all, talking about "roaming bosses" is always gonna bring up gameplay AND lore
forest condor
they'll hopefully stop
warm sequoia
Hopefully they’ll do it one last time to fix the shitshow of the book of monsters
urban burrow
So is each round of hunt a retelling of the same story?
brave topaz
no
warm sequoia
no that was a good retcon
warm sequoia
Are they going to retcon something big?
warm sequoia
Like the butcher or basic boss mechanics
urban burrow
What would they have to retcon to make a roaming boss fit lore?
forest condor
they woudn't have to retcon anything
urban burrow
exactly
forest condor
they'd have to make a monster so fucking terrifying that it doesn't fear hunters
and we'd have no chance against it
brave topaz
/\
warm sequoia
Less of a lore retcon more of a gameplay retcon
What you could do with a roaming boss is make it weak
urban burrow
I disagree that they couldn't make an intimidating roaming monster while making it possible to beat
warm sequoia
And that’s why it doesn’t stay in one place
warm sequoia
They could make a little twink boss that has to keep running
Dawg idk why ur so heated about this, in the end I’m on ur side
urban burrow
There are loads of ways to make a roaming boss work. Would just take effort, and again i never said it needs to be there now. I just think it would be a dope way to add another cool boss that fits lore
warm sequoia
I want a roaming boss
urban burrow
Who is heated?
brave topaz
look maybe some people don't understand the idea or concept of how to create a viable experience but something that is intimidating and possible to beat while also being something that can survive being targetted by up to 12 people at a time and be able to dispatch 12 people is just not a reasonable expectation
warm sequoia
But I don’t have faith in the devs to do it
Brit hit the nail on the head
Make a boss too strong and it would stand to reason hunters would team up to take it on
urban burrow
Brit you keep adding things to this equation that i never said. I never once said it should be able to stand vs 12 people.
warm sequoia
If not in lore than in gameplay
It would have to either be a mini boss
Ie something that doesn’t give a real bounty
urban burrow
I would be fine with it being a mini boss also
brave topaz
Proxy, these things are part of the equation by default and put there when you place the fucking thing in an open world with 12 players in it
warm sequoia
But gives something, ideally they’d put the meathead into that category
urban burrow
Not at all. A smart assassin does not get caught by 12 people 😄
rotund ferry
I mean isn’t that the role a meathead fills in both lore and function
warm sequoia
Or it would have to be a quick moving boss that would realistic not cause all hunters in the vicinity to ally to fight it
brave topaz
No, a smart assassin hides from the hunters and defends itself it they find it
urban burrow
I would be totally fine with a roaming mini boss instead of a full blown boss. Would definitely be acceptable and still fit the lore
urban burrow
Assassin defends itself....its entire job is offensive
Meathead does not roam
it roams a tiny tiny tiny area that is not really roaming
urban burrow
I want a roaming mini boss or boss
i stated that
😄
YOu do not need to put more words in my mouth by explaining it differently
rotund ferry
I guess I don’t understand why this can’t be in suggestions
urban burrow
I brought it up from a lore perspective. They wanted to get into gameplay so here we are
brave topaz
A boss creature, that is dangerous and challenging which by default must be able to cope with up to 12 people at a time in case they all meet at a location, but isn't too hard to beat and also gives a bounty and also must be in bounty hunt
urban burrow
I never said it must give a bounty
there ya go again putting words in my mouth
i said a mini boss would be acceptable
brave topaz
that's kinda the fundamentals of "boss" in hunt
urban burrow
How about this brit. You just speak for me for now on and ill throw a quip here and there 😄 sound good
brave topaz
how about you stop sounding so pretentious and lower your ludicrous expectations
last i checked the queen was still Elizabeth
urban burrow
Ludicrous expectations for a roaming boss lol ok
brave topaz
do it yourself fam
urban burrow
i am not a dev for the hunt so i cannot sir
Good suggestion though ludicrous as it is
rotund ferry
Anyone have any thoughts on the AHA serum besides what is written in the meathead entries?
rotund ferry
Same I thought it was strange how it also acts as a contraceptive
urban burrow
Yeah it definitely is.
urban burrow
duck boss?
urban burrow
lol ill wait 😄 im very curious now
And also penhux what are your thoughts on it?
Any cool thoughts on a theory for it?
rotund ferry
I always figured the AHA initiation was more ritual based to gain the power of darksight, but now I see it’s a little more like here take this shot
brave topaz
I think it's cool that the AHA using their serums as contraceptives shows simply the want to avoid the duplication of meatheads
warm sequoia
Background knowledge for the lore folks
Vincent is of assassin, when you kill assassin despite being made of bugs it has a body, assassin has clones, bugs can fly, there are three clues
Ok with that out of the way here is how I believe it could work both gameplay and lore wise
rotund ferry
I just wonder how they condense the power of darksight into a liquid form
brave topaz
The ritual blood
brave topaz
which is as far as i can tell of the sculptor
and it causes VERY bad things to happen to lifeforms below adult humans
as can be seen from meatheads and water devils
when a human host is placed in the mix that is
urban burrow
Its interesting that they must of done something to it in order to make it also a contraceptive instead of say "doing it manually to woman"
brave topaz
im gonna go make a sandwhich while he types this out
ashen tartan
Imma bring it up again, roaming bosses do fit the lore. Them hiding in compounds is actually a little whack. The assassin takes out hunters and the spider took out an entire team of people sent in to go kill it. I don't know if that team was AHA members, but it still murdered the crap out of a group of people.
As for the rest, I'll take that over to discussions.
urban burrow
I agree padre. I can agree with Bort (i think it was) also though in the devs may think its not worth the effort of making a roaming boss (most of my hang up came from the doesn't fit lore line) But ill def join the conversation over there on it
brave topaz
Update, I’m making a BLT rn it is going well
urban burrow
Nice choice sir
ashen tartan
BLTs taste good but it's so much effort.
urban burrow
Worth the effort haha. Bort the anticipation is killing us
ashen tartan
6:29 PM] Brit: last i checked the queen was still Elizabeth
lmfao
warm sequoia
The basic mechanics are the same, you find three clues, they lead you to a compound, a boss is there. Except in the roaming boss, the bosses body (vincent) is already in the dead and banishable state in the boss room. However, the assassins bug form still exists, and is roaming throughout the map. The chances of being attacked by it increase with every clue found by 20% and increase by 10% as you approach its location. Meaning if you find 3 clues but are on the other side of the map you are still less likely to be attacked than by someone who is in the same compound as vincents corpse.
The boss has 3 forms, its full form, being the standard assassin, its ranged flying form and its melee combat forms. The ranged (r) and melee (m) take the place of the 3 clones, and would spawn as one r form and two m forms. The r form would have 20% of the assassins current health, and would perform the assassins current ranged attack, as well as hover above the ground and the m form would have 40%, perform the current melee attack, and be on the ground. The assassins overall health would need to be reduced by perhaps half given its likely you will fight him more than once. If you encounter and kill/escape the assassin you have a 5 minute cooldown where it has 0% chance to attack you, until you reach the boss room. The boss room would be a survival fight. You begin banishing on vincents corpse for approximately half the time, and the assassin spawns again to attack you. It will attack until the banishment is complete. Then you get the bounty as normal
brave topaz
And the baby was born
warm sequoia
i typed it out quick but that is how i think it could work
urban burrow
@ashen tartan That one killed me to, didnt wanna admit it made me laugh tho haha
warm sequoia
i thought it out while taking a dump so it might not be the most sound lol
ashen tartan
Ehhhhhhhhhhh
warm sequoia
i dont think its the best idea but its what i came up with
i feel like its consistent with lore and gameplay
ashen tartan
When we banish we're sending the thing to Hell. I don't see how its soul can be being sucked to Hell but it's also controlling three forms and fighting.
I also dislike rng in my games. Especially PvP centric ones.
warm sequoia
its fighting while being sucked to hell, makes the fight more intense cuz its really fighting to survive
ashen tartan
Plus you could just like... walk away. Start the banish, walk away, whistle away 5 minutes, go back.
warm sequoia
hunter becomes hunted
it could follow and kill you tho, and it cant be killed while banishing happens
urban burrow
I like the concept alot actually. But i may be on the side of Padre overall. I can though see a form of that implemented in a way that would be very very cool
ashen tartan
If you start the banish does no one else get attacked? If you're fighting the Butcher does the assassin rng show up and touch your booty?
urban burrow
We have probably stepped way into #feedback-discussion Now tho 😄
warm sequoia
no thered only be one assassin like normal, its just the chances are to make it actually feel like it roams
ashen tartan
It's a neat idea and I'd like it as brain fuel but in that iteration I don't like it.
Oh yeah, for sure.
warm sequoia
probably
urban burrow
Ill take my part of the blame for derailing this channel haha
warm sequoia
im not sold on it just want a peaceful resolution to this debate
rotund ferry
Getting jumped by a another boss mid fight would be fun lol.
Shadow of Mordor memories
warm sequoia
like i said i like the community for this game, dont want any animosity to brew lol
urban burrow
and i believe Brit and I settled peacefully in private To not expose you all to such vulgarities 😄
warm sequoia
glad to hear, ill leave the lore channel to real lore discussion now 🙂
that wasnt supposed to be passive aggressive
brave topaz
Yeah, no hard feelings to anyone involved we all get carried away sometimes
wooden hound
Spider-man. @urban burrow
urban burrow
Mine was the meatheads until i read it a second time. Now im not sure
ashen tartan
Fuckin Shadow of Mordor! I have a clip on my twitch channel of getting jumped by the same two bosses like 5 times in a row! >=|
wooden hound
@urban burrow so like you're interesed in murderous demon babies?
urban burrow
It was more the thought of the human body being used to incubate these hellish creatures
Ala alien
wooden hound
I was kidding, and it does give me a sorta alien vibe
urban burrow
I caught the joke, just wanted to elaborate haha
ashen tartan
I like the hive's lore, but I've only unlocked the first 3 bits.
urban burrow
The meathead was the size of a 6 year old they said? That part is what made me rethink it being my favorite
wooden hound
Why?
urban burrow
How does a 6 year old fit inside of a woman? My son was 1 ounce away from 11 pounds. And im telling you right now a womans stomach only gets so big haha
wooden hound
Lol
rotund ferry
Are they really 6yo if they aren’t born? 
urban burrow
Well the size*
wooden hound
@urban burrow it probably happened before it was supposed too.
Or its exaggerated.
And it did have to tear its way through
brave topaz
probably happened in a similar fashion to the Devil's emergence
urban burrow
Funny story, my son was so large he almost killed his mom on 4 different occasions during her pregnancy. This is what makes me be like how the hell was that mother fucker inside there?
brave topaz
devils'
Thing eats its way out of mommy, then grows rapidly to the size of a 7 year old
before dragging the corpse off and eating the rest of her and dad too
rotund ferry
So it’s a xenomorph
brave topaz
and then the posse of hunters sent after it
urban burrow
Did it grow afterwards? I read it as it came out that size
urban burrow
i never thought of the possibility of it growing rapidly after consuming her
brave topaz
and reality only permits that it must've been growing as it ripped it's way out
maybe it was growing during the birth
urban burrow
yeah, that thought never even entered my mind lol
rotund ferry
I really hate having to wait for lore unlocks...
urban burrow
Nice one brit you redeemed my love for the meathead lore
Ravenstorm there is a wiki with them all i believe
brave topaz
look at the pinned comments here
brave topaz
damn straight proxy
wooden hound
kinda reminds me of the water devil tbh
rotund ferry
I’ve checked some wikis online, but they only have an entry or two.
Time to investigate
urban burrow
Ya there is a like 100 page doc in pins that is alot but there is alot of good stuf fin it
brave topaz
i think the document in the pins has all the entires at page 44 +
urban burrow
yup and meethead is page 80
lol 50
sorry
fingers are not working. ALSO i just realized there is a outline on the left to jump around. On my phone there isnt so i never realized
wooden hound
@urban burrow do you remember when padre brought up the bat monster idea?
urban burrow
I do not
wooden hound
Dang hol up
- I haven't read all the hell hounds lore yet but are they definitely made by the sculptor or could they also be afflicted by the initiated blood like meatheads and possibly water devils?
- The bat boss we keep talking about the last couple days, its purpose could be to hunt down hunters and drain their blood. The initiation ritual could have changed it in ways that the sculptor is interested in but unable to replicate.
- Enemies morphing and/or growing more powerful after killing a hunter would be an exciting idea. -padre
Here
urban burrow
Interesting. While searching for it i also stumbled upon padre saying it could be used for recon as well
I actually kinda like it. I am just not sure a bat fits super well. But i mean if we got a stuffed meethead with a pig slapped on it. Why not?
sinful trout
Back for a bit. Tryong to catch up hold on
urban burrow
lol dont please
wooden hound
I was thinking something like a chameleon/human amalgamation to cloak for recon tbh
wooden hound
Itd fit hunts style.
urban burrow
yeah it would for sure, And would be super cool
hard flume
Guys, I got one big fat question for you all.
That I've seen as I read this up and down of all of you.
urban burrow
Anything to keep the text rolling so i do not get destroyed by Var
wooden hound
F. A. T. Q. U. E. S. T. I. O. N
hard flume
Just what in tarnation IS a the Sculptor/er
hard flume
Okay, any more information regarding as to what it is though?
Is it human-ish? Deity? Nether realm entity that wants to fuck about?
urban burrow
There are loads of theories
hard flume
For the shits and giggles
urban burrow
Its a entity from another realm
And i believe they said its here for greed
I could be wrong
rotund ferry
Can it manifest itself in our world into a physical form is my question
hard flume
For souls? Corruption of the world?
rotund ferry
Such as possession
urban burrow
I think so, My theory is its here in physical form crafting bodies for lesser beings from his realm to "possess"
That crossing the barrier is hard and the lesser beings need help
(again my theories get debunked very fast so take it with a grain of salt)
wooden hound
After all grunts are a lot but not all that.
Armored are kinda rare mainly found around clues.
But what do I know.
urban burrow
Yeah i personally love the theory and think it would be super cool. Some may say a bit generic tho
The hierarchy part*
fallen tree
If the monsters were created by someone, or some thing, how, or why, are we banishing them to Hell?
wooden hound
@fallen tree To get rid of them for a period of time.
Or get them out of the location.
fallen tree
Yeah but what's the lore implication as to how WE are able to send these creatures to hell?
wooden hound
Initiation ritual I think.
I think it does more than give you sight.
I think it gives you more abilities like banishing, sight, close portals, etc.
rotund ferry
On the topic of the serum, does anyone know what negative effects it has on a hunter and their body
urban burrow
@hard flume ya I agree
hard flume
You gotta start somewhere to make a story.
urban burrow
And we banish them to send the lesser entity possessing them back to where it came
wooden hound
What did baron say Proxy?
urban burrow
I don't wanna mis quote him but basically that it being a bit generic may be basis for a theory also and that we gotta start somewhere
hard flume
That's right, @urban burrow
rotund ferry
In addition to the serum acting as a contraceptive I think there are more negative affects, the devs once said “magic in this universe does not come free, there is a cost”
Paraphrase of course from a stream
urban burrow
True but the original serum did not posses this trait
rotund ferry
Anything physical though?
hard flume
Madness?
rotund ferry
Or eldritch corruption
hard flume
You do go after other people and hunt them down.
rotund ferry
I’d do that if it wasn’t illegal lol
urban burrow
Yeah it definitely has to have drawbacks because of how its stated. But it being a contraceptive isnt one of those draw backs. Because it wasn't in the original serum
hard flume
What WAS the meathead incident?
urban burrow
The meathead was born from a hunter
hard flume
I thought that was the assassin
urban burrow
because that is what happens when you get pregnant as an initiated hunter right?
rotund ferry
It was possibly a corrupt fetus
forest condor
no it was the meathead
hard flume
But what is the meathead exactly, the ones we see. Are they hollowed out and full of leeches?
urban burrow
I dunno, but we do know they exist by being born. I am not sure if that is the only way they come into existence or not but it is A way
hard flume
Cause comeon, you can't have a fucking fetus THAT huge without some severe issues
That can grow that big
urban burrow
That was my issue
But i did not think about maybe it grows rapidly once born or something to that nature
hard flume
And have them multiply if the first one got offed due to the new serum after the first incident
urban burrow
as was mentioned above by one of the Bs
The contradictions ive noticed lately really do bug me tho. Almost as if two separate people are writing stories without collaborating at all
hard flume
Maybe they are on the other side of the room and they both detest each other?
sinful trout
OKAY
SO
IM BACK
IVE READ
MY THOUGHTS ON EVERYTHING
- Water Devils being a way to eliminate ds
has merit, but is extremely stupid on sculptors side. if he wanted to do that, he could simply do that in the form of a parasite. bam no more ds for all hunters because it would go unnoticed.
on the other hand. it removes ds from a hunter while theyre hunting, and then kills them. a slow burn to disable the hunters, then a way to add to your army. interesting to say the least @wooden hound You asked why it would rid us of DS. easy. everything in the game seems to be bug related to a degree (Barring the weird shit like imos) as in they have bugs, larvae, and worms coursing through them. i think this is a similar process. it would consume our ritual blood in order to remove us of our ds. essentially draining us of that enzyme or vodun in our blood that lets us summon ds. (just noticed that @ashen tartan mentioned this. so +1 to you good sir)
@ashen tartan On the note of being alone, i believe you are correct. they did not think any other hunters were near, as the next sentance is "they were wrong" next entry is about gator and jonas. so yeah.
@urban burrow i believe that "the landscape was bleak and empty" is reffering to their ds not working properly.
CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT
Perhaps the aha noted that beefrat and harpo were horrible hunters spreading information in the towns when they were overcome with drink. and perhaps aha sent them a false bounty proposition in the middle of nowhere, when in fact aha hired other hunters to eliminate our newly Expired (ingame would be "RETIRED") Hunters. perhaps that was why jonas went for beefrats heart.
computer b being weird
wait theres more
@ashen tartan "Is it confirmed that AHA can make items imbued with the sculptor's power?" Why else would you want their soul, no? but no, not confirmed.
to do the fancy thing put 3 `s before and after your sentance. and as for your lightning theory, remember it only showes in ds when the soul is exposed to the world and not contained by the bosses vessel. perhaps it reacts violently with our world.
Yes i believe its a fastest way to move thing in terms of water devils living in water. but remember people. these things are confirmed to be 150+ bloodworms.
@brave topaz watch the misinformation when it comes to death by worms. beefrat and harpo did NOT die by the worms, beefrat died to gator and jonas. and harpo? as far as we know, MIA
and as i said previously, water devils are 150+ mutated bloodworms, and we can only assume a "mature" group of them is just larger? in that instance i think they would split off to make 2 seperate groups, dont you?
so im sorry, but adult water devil disproved 😦
@ashen tartan no need to fear me child. i am just a lowly hermit whos obsessed with this lore, but for some reason hailed as a "Lore titan" now LET ME SLUMBER
@brave topaz Roaming boss was mentioned before here. so prox is not entirely off base.
keep in mind, in a real life bounty hunt, your bounty is fleeing, we know our targets are hiding currently. makes sense that if the boss isnt touched for too long, it begins to make a run for it, and IT could escape.
Hunters arent hunter, the bosses are. the games motto "the hunter becomes the hunted" is reffering to other hunters when you get the bounty. so please, keep your heads, want an explanation for lore? bosses see a window of opportunity as thewy dont sense the hunters are facing them, gameplay? bosses turn to fight you if you get within 30 m of them, shotting them stuns them and stops them from moving, but theyll run towards exits of the match.
@warm sequoia All bosses have an alterior reason for being here. hence why sculptor continues to bring them back, Spider kills rogue parts of the affliciton. butcher is presumed to farm souls, and assasin does just that. murders hunters and people. another name could be the reaper.
@warm sequoia @urban burrow @forest condor @brave topaz YOU ALL RECEIVE NEGATIVE POINTS FOR BICKERING LIKE ME AND @slim hatch USED TO... WORK PRODUCTIVELY
@rotund ferry that ususally doesnt happen here so i apologize for my childrens behaviour, please dont hesitate to cxome back, check pinned posts to learn more 🙂
@ashen tartan THANK YOU FOR RESOLVING THE ISSUE. + POINTS
@urban burrow on the note of how can a baby that size be in a woman, read a little bit deeper. it says the meathead was eating the poor woman alive, making space for itself.
@urban burrow @hard flume @rotund ferry our big boy sculptor and the other entitys came here for "HUNGER" as the devs put it. adding to my soul thirst theory.
There
my thoughts
also
@ashen tartan
glad you decided to stay
you look good on the lore
sinful trout
almost everyone got negative points
think of it as
you didnt lose any
i love all of our lore researchers. we just all need to work productiovely and not bicker with eachother
@wooden hound you did put out good points tho. so + points for being new and providing pints
urban burrow
Damn lots int hat post var 😄 ill read it very soon
sinful trout
READ IT NOW BOY
urban burrow
lol bout to drive home then i will 😄
YOu wouldnt want me to be unsafe now would ya? lol
ashen tartan
Most of a pregnant woman's belly is fluid though. A small child could conceivably fit in there.
Meathead is page 53.
BAT MONSTER IS NOT MY IDEA. >=|
Using the dark sight includes muttering an incantation, so conceivably Hunters know others for using clues and also banishing.
They added sterilization for women to the serum later.
I am not good on the lore, still ain't read 80% of it. But I do arguing. I argue on 4chan /tg/ a lot =D
sinful trout
we need civilised debaters here
forest condor
okay, let's get this yeet
ashen tartan
My point being I can slam my head against other people's for 2 hours and then forget about it 5 minutes later to discuss the new topic.
Side note, the Reaper is a way cooler name for the Assassin, but I guess it's a little hackneyed. Giving it a scythe would be cool too since there's all the farm land.
sinful trout
since assasins main job is the slaughter. a scythe would seem useless, as they suck as weapons
forest condor
isn't his job infiltration?
ashen tartan
Funny, I thought his job was to make me shit my pants.
He trades shifts with the spider.
unreal path
Fact
fallen tree
Honestly there's so much potential to add small events throughout the course of the game's lifespan to further the story.
ashen tartan
... Halloween map effects when?
omfg
I've had an idea. Going to suggestion-ideas. Come up-vote it.
sinful trout
im saying y'all need to work collectively
urban burrow
I agree lol I am to blame for that one I'll behave
sinful trout
it was a collective thing
urban burrow
Great insights above tho @sinful trout I'm not sure how you keep so much info in that brain of yours
sinful trout
everyone just got worked up
it happens
hell ive done it
theres a huge flame wall in lore hardcore
even the big guys fight
urban burrow
Oh shit so you are human? Lol
wooden hound
How do you figure out your theories and debunk them?
urban burrow
Var doesn't debunk them they are just ducking right always somehow
His theories that is loo
wooden hound
@ashen tartanwhat channel?
wooden hound
Lol
#lore-discussion. Is where its at tho @urban burrow more people to help discuss.
urban burrow
Damn right
sinful trout
@wooden hound its a bad place. i left. didnt like it. and my theories ive built off of mainly the general feel of the game and how dark it is
ashen tartan
Well I'd need to read all the lore first and pay attention to dev streams and read twitter and blah blah blah
If I wanted to do research I'd have become a lawyer.
urban burrow
Lol
brave topaz
Var’uun i think you skimmed over something, the Sight failing the hunters infested with the Immature Devils was because the parasites were draining the power of the blood as they metamorphosed into adolescence or that’s what it seems to be
amber harbor
weird how only stuff that has come in contact with the initiated blood has some kind of hive mind ability
like the leaches and water devils
and hellhound packs if you consider bunny biting his owners ear as blood
brave topaz
It's also that all of the things that have come into contact with the blood are parisitic
leeches on the meathead, the waterdevils themselves
snow scaffold
What stands "ds" for, what ist "aha" and why are hunters going for each others, when they actually try to archive the same (banish infected)?
wooden hound
@snow scaffold Ds= Dark sight, and the aha is a community of hunters.
snow scaffold
Thanks. And hunters get ds and banish skills through a serum? It makes them sterile so the manpower is very limited then?
amber harbor
aha=american hunter association
hunters kill each other because the aha is not a traditional organisation
they only pay for the bounty
its not their concern how you got it
nova matrix
does anyone know when the server will be back online?
amber harbor
we just need to be patient
we will likely get some updates on #general-announcements or #pc-announcements
amber harbor
either way this is the wrong channel
amber harbor
no one has news unless the devs say something
amber harbor
did you react on discord rules with pc/xbox?
snow scaffold
@amber harbor thanks!
amber harbor
also the new serum makes females infertile, so they can stop doing the dirty and bringing meatheads to our world
the initiation is simple enough it can be done by 2 ppl
that was the first case of the meathead
a hunter initiated his wife without aha aproval
they were strict about not initiating females
before they changed the serum and they added female hunters to the game
snow scaffold
So the skill to bansih come from a ritus?
amber harbor
we dont know for sure
all we know is in the pinned messages
there are only snippets from which we make assumptions
snow scaffold
Cool, thanks for all the Infos
wooden hound
@snow scaffold I would assume so, the ability to gain the sight, the ability to close portals, and banish would make sense for the inititiation ritual to do.
urban burrow
There are 2 writers now ya?
amber harbor
it doesn t say anything
they just want the bounty
hunters kill each other to get the money/glory for themselves
sinful trout
@brave topaz thats not confirmed at all so its speculation at best. Nowhere does it say that the leeches are draining them of theor power. Its much more likely that there was no target in that situation and that gator and jonas were contracted out to kill beef and harpo
Be careful about spreading misinformation. As some people could take it as absolute fact when in reality it couldnt be farther from the truth
sinful trout
And on the topic of banishment. I feel its akin to ds as in it being a ritual. Perhaps its a few more words, takes longer. Perhaps a material is needed
wooden hound
@sinful trout Like i believed.
sinful trout
@wooden hound correct. I believe it would be something hunters learned to do. Channelled by their ritual blood
wooden hound
It would make sense to gain more abilities than one.
sinful trout
I agree
I feel its the same with some of the perks like conduit
Perhaps hunters who have been in it longer have learned to draw power from it while it closes
@urban burrow there was 3 but 2 now
urban burrow
Gotchya thanks for the info
forest condor
@sinful trout thoughts on why the hunters in the waterdevil lore cut open the hunters they killed?
"he intended to take the heart"
untold lodge
Apologies if this has already been asked, where is the book about the Louisiana Event? In my library there is only the manual, Book of Weapons and Monsters.
forest condor
It's gone, reduced to atoms
untold lodge
rip
forest condor
Yep
untold lodge
Lore reason (someone trying to cover it up?) or because of irl reasons?
forest condor
Probably irl reasons
sinful trout
@untold lodge hey in the pinned posts, all the louisianna book entries are transcribed. By yours truly
@forest condor that simple line is actually one of the reasons i think theyre the target. I believe jonas intended to use the heart as proof of beefrats death.
I personally believe harpo and beefrat were a bit too vocal about what goes on in their hunts, and that they werent particularly good hunters either. So i think the aha decided it was about time they retired them.
sinful trout
Thats what im saying
I dont think harpo and beefrat were in a deadzone
I dont think they were anywhere near a contract
I think they were sent a false contract by the aha, that explains why their sight wasnt working.
And i think aha put out a contract with the same location as beefrat and harpos, but the contract was them.
forest condor
But then this line happened
They had been tracking the same quarry as Beefrat and Harpo and had planned to eliminate their competition and to loot what weapons they could from the corpses a double bounty
So they both had the bounry
They had a double blunty
Bounty*
sinful trout
Example
"Rat! We got a job!"
"Where?" Beefrat replied in a sarcastic voice "prison?"
"AHA wants us to go into the deadzone at lockview, and find the contract, which is supposed to be some vampire thing"
"Alright lets go."
Meanwhile
"Get the fuck up jonas, we got a job to do"
Jonas awoke to the gruff voice of his partner, Gator "whats the contract"
"Were to head into the deadzone at lockview, and take out those loudmouths harpo and Rat"
"Understood"
Ahhhh
Good catch
I didnt notice that
sinful trout
I think the heart would just be a sick trophy sort of thing
forest condor
Hmm
sinful trout
Honestly tho
forest condor
Cause it looked like he was going to take the bounty in some form
But that's either far fetched or really gruesome
sinful trout
For every undiscovered entry of BOW that actually contains lore (i.e not the history of a gun) that someone brings me. 1-5$ via paypal based on how much info in it
@forest condor if harpo and beefrat couldnt use their sight
I doubt they had a bounty on them
sinful trout
Hah
Ha fucking ha
In all seriousness though. I think he just wanted to take his heart. But the worms had eaten it. And if worms can eat a bounty, then theyre worse than we thought
wooden hound
@sinful trout Imagine what the ones that did eat the bounty look like
sinful trout
@wooden hound same probably
The lore behind waterdevils is that theyre mutated bloodworms
Weve always known what they were since day 1
150 of them
So there was talk earlier about grown up water devils
Grown up water devil = 2 packs of water devil
forest condor
Plz no too spooky
sinful trout
@forest condor i forget. When did you join us
You and @late tinsel got here at the same time roughly
late tinsel
Arpy was here before me, not sure how long though.
forest condor
@sinful trout 11-29-2018
that was my first message here
i decided to jump in with gun knowledge since that was my strong suit at the time
forest condor
nah, faish was the guy back then
late tinsel
I remember back in the deep lore days... back when we had almost nothing to work with and Arpy was still human.. before the accident.
forest condor
to be fair i thought that vat was filled with food dye
late tinsel
“Die” is more appropriate. More on topic, I’ve been purposefully avoiding 1.0 until live, but now I’m ready to sit down with everything in the books.
forest condor
yeet, 1.0 is pretty good imo, take the time to get used to the new ui and don't go in with a bias, it's pretty good
urban burrow
I think its very intuitive. I do miss the look and art of the old tho
OOPS just realized this is in lore. Ill see myself out
forest condor
so jos learned to handmake throwing knives, neat
sinful trout
@forest condor back before you became my flip me bot
I like how the bot became sentient and auto flipped for me yesterday
Props to that
- points to arpy
forest condor
@sinful trout (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜)
urban burrow
I remember that hahaha
ashen tartan
I'd glad I'm not the only one to ask "Why the fuck do AHA hunters kill each other?"
urban burrow
lol
ashen tartan
I bet I still got the record for arguing it longest though.
ashen tartan
One of these days I'm gonna have to go on a freebie and try gunslinger to figure out what the fuss is.
My buddy DOES NOT play fps on pc at all so he struggles with Hunt. He had to get his PS4 controller synced to his PC to play with me at all and it still wasn't great cuz he had to switch weapons with the keyboard.
Maybe Gunslinger will help him out.
forest condor
aha hunters kill to end the scourge of gunslinger
sinful trout
lol
earnest jungle
What exactly is gunslinger?
urban burrow
YES! YES IT IS!
forest condor
the loreians are in on it now
forest condor
sorry, lorenians
ashen tartan
I'm ok being that weird guy who no one understands why you keep him around but he always has the best plans.
=D
rotund ferry
A taxidermist came across a large dead bloated carcass of a monster (a meathead) and decided he could make a pretty penny selling it off if he preserved it. (At the time he only had clay and improvised materials.) Prior explaining that in taxidermy what you are trying to preserve is not stuffed, but instead skinned and stretched over clay that has been moulded to the shape of what is being preserved. (I guess this explains the butchers resistance to heat and fire.)
The entries in the lore state that the shape was relatively easy compared to other works he had done because it didn’t have a head or brain. But when he completes the taxidermy, he thought it would be more horrific to add a pig head (as there were plenty around) to complete his work.
After doing so he decided to sleep in the workshop where he was working- that’s the last entry. So it would appear that “The Butcher” was somehow animated.
@warm lagoon
ashen tartan
.... Now how come you know that but we have nightly arguments about what's inside the fucking thing?
@sinful trout @forest condor Explain.
warm lagoon
@rotund ferry thanks a lot!
rotund ferry
I described it pretty bland, but you’re welcome lol
ashen tartan
I DO
I CAN'T DO BOLD YET BUT I DO
WHY DID WE DISCUSS WHAT THE FUCKIN THING IS MADE OF FOR LIKE AN HOUR IF WE KNOW IT'S CLAY?????
forest condor
BECAUSE IN GAME IT ISN'T A TAXIDERMIED MEATHEAD, IT'S A LIVING THING
ashen tartan
What was all that nonsense about wood skeleton and cotton?
My jimmies are so rustled right now.
formal fractal
forest condor
Lol
rotund ferry
Many religions incorporate a mythology that certain gods created mankind from clay or earth. Clay which was sculpted and then manipulated into flesh and blood by a god entity, named the “Lord God” in Genesis by the hebrew.
Now, initially the pre-biblical god worshipped was Baal translated roughly to “lord, owner or master” from hebrew, and Baals influence was involved in other religions (which stood out from other regional/territorial spiritualities).
However the name Baal was demonised by spiritual warfare (as was the case with war and invasions, both physical and spiritual) namely through the Old Testament, which discouraged his worship (even criminalised it) , and even named him an arch-demon, until formally known Baal was named Beelzebub “Lord of flies or Chief of the Demons”.
Now one could say the Baal aka Beelzebub, could represent the “Lord God” which sculpted man from clay and earth as a heavenly figure. But now he has been demonised...
Well as the entries suggest (at least what is so forth visible) is that the Butcher was a subject of taxidermy, noted, not by stuffings or such. But by clay/earth and flesh (the skin), which would appear to now be animated into flesh and blood. (I thought this was interesting because The Butcher is kind of a float around in origin.
Perhaps this fallen god figure, could be likened to the sculptor in this sense. Originally sculptor of man, but who has now been demonised as a Chief of Demons.
Manipulator of clay, flesh and blood - The Sculptor.
Something which I also thought was cool is the hunt logo. Two crosses, one upside down and the other standing. Idk if this is just me getting ahead of myself or not lol, but that could represent the transition god and the demon, as stated in Baals case.
The religions that incorporate Baal are very ancient and I thought interesting. I’m pretty new to the lore of this game, but I’d thought I would share some interesting points (at least what I thought were) here, and see what other opinions/theories are floating around. I’m interested in delving further, no matter how ludicrous or out there theories are!
amber harbor
the crosses in the logo are aesthetic only as far as I know
but I do like the idea that the sculptor is actually the original god and we're fighting against him
sinful trout
@rotund ferry read the entry again. He uses clay and an arnature and some stuffong
dense nova
Not sure how well it fits into the in game lore sadly, but that is a very interesting idea.
And very fitting for the vibe of mankind being shit that's shown in game.
sinful trout
@rotund ferry religion in hunt only goes as far as that. Its just religion. Vodun is dominant in the game as you can see symbols of certain greater and lesser loa. As well as most "bible" verses are from the haitian creole bible. Theres very little of a christian aspect to the game. Mainly its islam and vodun.
While you raise a good point and clearly have a knowledge of it. Unfortunately its mostly false in hunt terms. As the "hell" thats referenced in the game, is simply a rift between our dimension and theirs. Its what christians in the huntverse would call theor hell. But thats it. Its just another dimension that was poked into ours by some unknown force, and some entities like our sculptor have slipped through.
Common taxadermy practices back then used clay, stuffing, and an amature, to cast the skin over. Its not all made of clay. Just the surfaces that are hard to fit stuff into. I.e fingers, certain joints. Its point is to hold them together. No biblical reason to it. Just because clay is cheap and available.
We once fiddled with the idea that vodun symbols on the arms of hunters was givingthem power. But thankfully we got a nudge away from that by one of the devs
rotund ferry
Cool, thanks for the fill in. 
I’m relatively new to the lore, so I’m just spitballing some ideas that have crossed my mind, but thus far it has grasped some interest from me.
sinful trout
Check out the pinned posts. Mainly the big document
It has a ton of stuff in it
(unlike the butcher)
sinful trout
I hate it
frigid heart
Could. "magic" up a rubber ducky.. i got some ideas to refine it 😄
worthy nimbus
amber harbor
Prop
sinful trout
Its a taxadermied pigs head placed on the meathead for aesthetic
forest condor
the pig's head doesn't seem to have decomposed since it was put on btw
sinful trout
Thats becUse its taxadermied
"Tomorrow I will build several racks and begin by drying the skins of the pig carcasses I mentioned, and perhaps preparing one of the heads for future use. At the very least, it will be good practice."
sinful trout
Yeah i doubt the sculptor would be so tedious after reanimating him. But kickit around and youll hear the klink clank of wood
spark portal
https://gyazo.com/402223bca8b5862c2de7afd209ff9189
that moment when u wipe the whole server and 10s before extraction the server wipes you
hollow ore
ripperino
sinful trout
@spark portal servers are now 12 players... And wrong chat...
neat mica
just saying it again, but i think the zygote short's approach to amateur biological jury rigging would be a good explanation for the butcher
if the taxidermist somehow came under the sculptor's influence to somehow know how to rig up a bunch of fresh pig organs together inside a meathead body
to jumpstart it back up
rather than inert stuffing
neat mica
unreliable narrator
that taxidermist thinks he's of sound mind, thinks he's doing taxidermy. in reality, high as a kite on sculptor goofballs, doing mad sciency frankenstein stuff
amber harbor
reed is the only other person who was going mad while he was writing his journal
and he was bringing attention to the weird voices
idk if that was just used by the devs to show that transformation or if thats how it goes
bc if the taxidermer could hide that they were afflicted then why didnt reed do the same?
neat mica
i'm not saying that as is that taxidermist being an unreliable narrator is the intent. I'm saying that if they wanted to make the butcher lore fit more consistently with a minimum amount of retconning, it could be one way to do it
sinful trout
@neat mica it doesnt seem like that. at least all of the journals so far lead to a different explanation
however there were 9 days
unnacounted for
ashen tartan
Does shooting the Butcher's head do anything?
warm lagoon
it'll get him angry
forest condor
oof
ashen tartan
That explains why he always chases me around while my friend laughs at me.
rotund ferry
I haven’t fought him in a good while. Usually Assassin or Spider.
twin ravine
what head? the butcher doesnt have a head, the pig head is false.
forest condor
It's definitely not taxidermied tho just saying
It has spinal bones that you can see when it falls off
wooden hound
@neat mica. Yea, the ability to drain the hunters of their information would be insanely useful.
warm lagoon
what happened here :/
forest condor
@warm lagoon it's an Easter egg
neat mica
jacob ortiz sullivan is buried there, obv.
earnest jungle
In the Lore Document their is mentions of an A. Lynch. A name that appears on a train ticket. Well three of the Legendary Weapons make reference to a Huntress named Lynch. Black Wight - A Machete made from steel from a printing press, the Black Widow - A King and Crown Auto Shotgun, and the Reapers Arm - the knife. From the flavor text it appears she was a Hunter with a massive sadistic streak.
Additionally it appears that the Victor Caldwell may also have been a hunter, or at least joined the organization. As the flavor text for the Certain Victory state he stole the gun from his father before leaving for Louisiana.
vital atlas
I have a question regarding one of the letters in the now deleted lore book from Hunt. It was a letter written in German. Did anyone translate that letter?
small raven
is the peach of the swamp cadwell handcannon william durant's gun? It says in its description that the twins (the ones who allegedly avenged their uncle's death by the hands of willam durant) pulled it off of a dude's corpse. However it says it belonged to William salter instead . Possible typo? or different twins?
sinful trout
@earnest jungle he stole many guns when fleeing to louisianna. He wanted to make his own stuff but his father forbid it.
Also wicked fucking catch on that trai. Ticket. Never would have cought that. If her first name starts with a then were golden
earnest jungle
No first name is given. However it's entirely possible this may be expanded upon in the Book of Guns.
small raven
also anyone think we'll ever get legendary skins for the twins? im trying to unlock the next entry for them by completing the next mastery with combat axe.
sinful trout
@small raven if you get them id love to have th
We need all the entries for the next section in our lore doc
sinful trout
@vital atlas yes it was translated. Its on the fandom page fully translated
small raven
currently obsessed with learning more about the twins of the forge
sinful trout
@small raven william salter stole documents from the aha. And yeah the twjns stole it from his dead hands
small raven
got it different dood
sinful trout
@small raven be my official source for lore in bow because i hate unlocking. I like transcribing
small raven
oh you need crossbow too?
sinful trout
All
small raven
i can do that
sinful trout
I need all lore from bow
sinful trout
Typically its been sent to me in no particular order. Just a list like crossbow 1/5 or swamp peach 3/5
small raven
alright ill get onto some of the less popular guns
then continue with some of the more popular to unlock more
sinful trout
Whatever order you do man works for me
As long as i get a name for it. Like blank entry 3 im fine
proud hawk
hey guys I'm into the lore since yesterday could you guys maybe explain me who Lynch is ?
amber harbor
Winnoe aperture has a mastery 👀 who tf uses that gun
grave elm
So I've been kinda wondering recently, what is the lore statement about no grunt kids? Only grown up men and women
Zombie children could have been a great addition
west depot
so,ive been playing this game since march this year and,i still dont understand what hapened in the bayou,can someone please explain me?
formal fractal
it's in its 7th year of the Trump Administration
amber harbor
@west depot an entity from another realm came to earth and started influencing ppl/ sculpting them to become its soliders
each type is specialised on 1 thing, like the hive is ranged, armored is tanky, etc
and it only affects the bayou bc thats where a portal between worlds is
there's been multiple events like this all over the globe with different magnitudes
this one is special in some way, we dont know why
west depot
also,ive seen on #lore-discussion-hardcore a picture of a book that was removed with the 1.0 update that showed a advertisement of a "vaportizing inhalor" for coughs and asthma
maybe thats another cause to the incident?
if you read all the pages before that and tickets you can see some suspicious stuff reguarding rawlings,so maybe it was a scam to make people worse
amber harbor
people at the time believed it was rabies that would only affect peasants, so they could have been cashing in on them
west depot
true
sinful trout
@west depot that entire page is a reference to the fact that james (hearn) who is a lore dev hates vapes
Nothing else
ashen tartan
lol
You know how they say if you want to include shit in a game, make your own?
Voila.
small raven
@sinful trout alright working on those entries now
sinful trout
Ye
west depot
wait really? ok
fossil drum
Does the lore of the assassin hint that hunters may have to fight a boss who can use firearms in the future?
forest condor
nope
grave island
Would Love a Demon version of the "Saint of Killers" from the series "Preacher", that shoots projectiles, would be a great scary boss, could scream some catch phrases !!
forest condor
This is the discussions chat for lore already established, id suggest going to #game-ideas @grave island
bold tiger
Are ya'll the type that like gathering data? I kind of want to gather numbers on the effective health of enemies but I don't have everything unlocked yet. Honestly I don't know where we could keep a tally, maybe the wiki would be better?
restive patrol
Just wondering, has all of the book of weapons lore entries been recorded yet?
small raven
i know the cross bows arent done and some of the enemy ones arent done like the bosses and the meatheads
im working on the cross bow one for one of the lore bois on here
and the combat axe
restive patrol
I c
forest condor
@small raven we have the Meathead enteries and the bosses enteries, the book of monstors is complete
sinful trout
@small raven i know we have people working on conversion pistol, romero, axe and pax.
And it seems the lore goes per gun. I.e variants are part of it. So romero has entries like this
Romero77 1/5&2/5
Romero hatchet 3/5
Romero talon 4/5
Romero habdcannon 5/5.
So when posting a picture please post the corresponding order its in.
For example. Ive finished romero talon (as its the best gun in the game, haters will say its not)
And i got the journal entry for 3/5
So when posting pictures for me to transcribe later. Ill have posted the pic and the words
ROMERO 4/5
ROMERO 4/5
This means for all of you who hate spoilers. Might want to hold off on reading the doc until its finished
forest condor
@sinful trout how's it going for the Romero habdcannon
earnest jungle
I got more lore on lynch.
It seems that the Twins are the Lynch Twins?
And it appears that A Lynch is not the same. Although the lore describes a female lynch and both twins seem to be male...
forest condor
@earnest jungle got any more?
@sinful trout dude, this twins story should be a book, it's good
earnest jungle
Unfortunately no
forest condor
@sinful trout dude I think the heart has something to do with the blunty
Bounty
Romero transcript mentions it again
Unless this is the same hunter from the water devil's book
sinful trout
That was my thought
However its possible that bounties and wellsprings manofest in the heart as a physical form
@earnest jungle is the second image chopped up? It looks bugged
@earnest jungle perhaps a. Lynch was their teacher?
forest condor
@sinful trout 
forest condor
I SAID IT
earnest jungle
What happened is they found this guy covered in red boils sleeping inside so they snuck in so stealthily
forest condor
you called it a trophy
earnest jungle
They were gonna wake him up, find out the woman’s name, and then kill the mofo
earnest jungle
When a Meathead burst In Koolaide Man style and sprayed the room with leaches.
sinful trout
forest condor
Could you get another skreenshot
earnest jungle
God damn it got to update the game!
sinful trout
Go sit in a corner rexli
earnest jungle
This will take an hour
sinful trout
Youre in timeout for being bad
Take your cone of shame 🎉
And put it beside your name
PUNISHMENT
sinful trout
⌛
earnest jungle
Where did you even get the cone of shame
forest condor
@sinful trout so we know the heart has something to do with bounties, can we say that much
earnest jungle
And the heart has definitely something to do with the infection/possession. As is evident from the grunt lore.
Perhaps that’s where the blood purifiers came in.
Perhaps infection maybe more accurate than I
earnest jungle
Previously suspected.
forest condor
That's the term most oldies use
earnest jungle
Well about maybe whatever is going on works like a virus. A virus attacks a cell, transforms it into a virus production machine and begins pumping out more viruses.
In this case the viruses are flies/insects and the cell is the heart.
Which could also be why grunts Attack hunters instead of running.
When we kill or stab them we break the skin causing them to bleed and allowing the larvae to escape.
forest condor
I've thought about that too
The sculpter's influence seems to manifest in the way of a person being physically minipulates
Minipulated
earnest jungle
Also zombie might actually be an extremely accurate description marked and infected. But not in the way one might think. As the origin of the zombie myth lay in the anxieties of slaves in Haiti. That even in death they would be unable to escape slavery. And the grunts and infection clearly do not have free will of their own and even if they are not technically undead they certainly have the appearance of undeath
sinful trout
@forest condor no
We can say for certain
That hunters like cutting other hunters hearts out
Weather thats because theyre happy they get a bounty or theyre just sick we dont know
Im leaning more towards its harpo. But it says in that entry that his organd were all gone
@earnest jungle which is weird. Because we had lore before saying they never rose from the dead
To lore that said they had to kill them twice
To lore saying they rose from the dead
So i dont fucking know anymorr
Hold on
Hold the FUCK ON
each number in "bad as they seem" seems to be part of a fucking book
Notice "unpublished manuscript"
NOW
HOLD THAT IN YOUR FUCKING MIND
GO READ THE FIRST LETTER HAYDEN SENT HIS BROTHER
READ THE FIRST FUCKING PARAGRAPH
earnest jungle
My game is updated now to see if I can't fix the... oh wait I have to use the bathroom
sinful trout
THIS IS THE BOOK HE SENT HIS BROTHER
sinful trout
GUYS FIN AND JOS COULD BE THE TWO WOMEN OF "WEAKER SEX"
amber harbor
Same
forest condor
Quote @sinful trout
amber harbor
Told you some time ago
sinful trout
"Thank you for taking the time to read my latest. I was heartened to hear your positive response. Sadly however, I still cannot find a soul who will publish it. People simply do not believe that what I describe could have possibly have happened to two young women. It seems to me, the people who say these things have not spoken widely with the "weaker" sex. You remember my rejection letter from that damned Tousey? There have only been more of the same. I am beginning to think I will have to rewrite the thing after all. Though for now, I do not feel up to the task. I feel a certain debt to the facts, so for now, I will let the manuscript rest in the drawer of my desk." Quote produced
@amber harbor actually did call it a long time ago
Okay so straight up yeah jos and fin are the women in this book
@earnest jungle theyre girls
urban burrow
It could be a "soulstone" that they are after that is formed in the heart?
sinful trout
Following the soulstone theory yeah