lore-discussion

[restive patrol]

I mean, a slide action pistol could have a niche of "semi-auto with swappable ammo types", especially since there's no repeating secondary that can swap ammo types.
Regarding the rest of the convo about new weapons, there are a couple areas that still could be filled.

1. Swappable ammo type repeating medium ammo, either three slot or one slot.
2. Same thing as above, but for compact
3. Levering small slot.
4. More medium ammo sidearms in general (Seriously, we only have two while compact ammo gets 4+)

[real cedar]

Levering small slot sounds like an oxymoron since it'd have to be two handed, and all two handed guns are medium.
I could potentially see more swappable ammo guns, it's a good idea to bring up but they're a rough niche since the secondary requirement of en blocs or box mags might point towards guns people might not be happy to see.
Definitely agree on the medium ammo pistols.

[supple smelt]

Anyone else a bit disappointed in the battlepass characters?

Seems like all the interesting stuff is relegated to twitch drops and story challenges

[real cedar]

Same as it ever was imo, even some of the best events had eh Hunter skins. Even as a matter of taste most would agree it's a 50/50 split.
Gar and Wayward Helmsman? Burnt Marshall and Butcher's Cleaver? Beekeeper and... the other guy?

[supple smelt]

Burnt Marshall is the one skin that made me wish I could invent time travel

that and plague doctor

I played a little bit during that event but never got the pass

I just felt like the themes were way stronger in the old events

[real cedar]

Technical difficulties made me lose out on half of that BP, one of only two that I partially completed alongside Serpent Moon 😔

[supple smelt]

like I don't feel like we'll get an event that has something as good as this in terms of pure adherence to Hunt vibes

These were peak

We also used to get a really good free hunter which stopped after scorched earth

[orchid tangle]

desolations wake is probably my favorite pass

[supple smelt]

Lmao look at this post complaining they were slowly paywalling everything

Now you don't even get a free hunter, maybe 4-5 skins max now?

[orchid tangle]

I remember when passes costed nothing

[supple smelt]

This pass was also really good even if kevin wasn't allat

This was the best purely for the weapon skins, even though there was that weird thing where you had to buy them after you already completed it or something

[real cedar]

What thing about buying them? Can't say I remember that

[orchid tangle]

I love the statesman so much I wish he wasn't such a bitch in the story

yeah that pass was just any other pass from my memory

[supple smelt]

Wasn't there something like once you completed the pass you were offered a separate shop? Am I insane

[real cedar]

You might be, ye. I'll check the wiki

[orchid tangle]

insane

[supple smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-cat-insane-cat-deranged-cat-gif-2528630332348525147

The old pass UI actually looked cooler

[real cedar]

There was the Centennial Shorty Silencer that had the same centipede theme and dropped in the same update as a BB skin, maybe you were thinking of that?

[supple smelt]

yeah probably

I feel like this time around the weapon skins are actually really good but the rest is meh

Post malone I'll never use, sharpshooter lady isn't actually that bad but I don't really like the circus look and strongman is just ok

[orchid tangle]

I haven't looked at the weapon skins but I quite like the marksman girl

[supple smelt]

There's no skin that makes you go "wow"

[real cedar]

I really like the snake-themed Scottfield and the burnt devil skin theme is pretty solid

[orchid tangle]

I'll like the headhunter quite a bit. Is he coming out? Or is he another hunter we have to way a milennia for

[supple smelt]

Headhunter is the twitch drop skin you have to drop 2 subs for

lmao

[real cedar]

I hope you like buying twitch subs quite a bit

[orchid tangle]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

nvm I don't like him

[supple smelt]

I'll give my 2 subs to a random streamer who killed me once

I haven't even fully seen his skin in game so it might look shit

Hopefully they show it in the store or something

RachtaZ and people like that bout to become millionaires unless nobody gets the skin

[real cedar]

I hope someone posts his bio eventually so I can put it in the compendium, this'll be the first twitch drops reward I miss out on in years

[orchid tangle]

70gb WHY

[supple smelt]

You think they'll ever bring back the Tides event skins as recolors? I really love every single one and that's during my hunt dark ages so I'm sadge I'll never be able to get them

You also don't see that many anymore

I don't think I've seen Ochenkov's widow in a game in forever

[orchid tangle]

I play her a bit

not too often

[real cedar]

That's weird, mine was like 18-20gb. The way updates have disparity like that is so weird

[orchid tangle]

yeah usually it's 20 for me

[supple smelt]

You see the story challenge is 1750 blood bonds? Kind of insane

[orchid tangle]

idk what's up with mine

[supple smelt]

yeah I had 18

[orchid tangle]

I do see people going off about large sizes sometimes though

this means I should probably sleep instead of stay up for another 5 hours into the day then 😡

[supple smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-23970142

[real cedar]

I'm hoping I won't have to buy it and I can just right click the terminus from the menu to 3d view it for the wiki. Then I can just copy the text when someone else posts it.
If not, I'm gonna have to pay out 😔 I don't like trusting other people to handle the gun screenshots

[supple smelt]

I can do it

you can tell me exactly how to take it

[real cedar]

We'll see

[supple smelt]

I'm fiending to get in

[orchid tangle]

could just get someone to stream to you and slowly rotate the guns around and take your screenshots that way

[supple smelt]

it'd actually be a cool feature to have a 360 panorama for guns made out of photos

maybe not 360 but 180

[real cedar]

I try (and often fail) to get the screenshots pixel perfect so swapping tabs on the wiki isn't jarring with the difference between images. It often takes 3-5 rounds of screenshot -> compare to base image -> microadjust -> screenshot but I'm happy enough with the workflow.
Sadly Crytek changed the lighting in the 3d viewer so new images have a shadowy vignette over them and I'd rather not redo 500 images so it'll get messier over time with different changes.

[orchid tangle]

they should just make you the one sole cm

[supple smelt]

The biggest QOL feature I feel is missing from 1896 is seeing your skin inventory

And maybe a filter to see past event skins

I get it cluttered the UI too much when they were all on but at least let me see them

[orchid tangle]

new weapon ui is better but I kinda miss seeing my rainbow of weapon skin background in old hunt

LETS GOOO the update size lowered by .1 gb

[supple smelt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378786421791264858/1385542619874070558/attachment.gif

[real cedar]

Finally getting around to the behind the scenes video they put out. We could've had Demented Post Malone rather than the whole circus idea.

[real cedar]

Also Giggles wants to destroy the Circus now? I never would've learned that without the behind the scenes vid

[orchid tangle]

she seemed pretty happy about the circus in the trailer

[real cedar]

If only there was some way for this lore to be given out to players, alas it's impossible

[orchid tangle]

1700 blood bonds please

[supple smelt]

@real cedar you don't have to buy it to see it

[real cedar]

😌

[supple smelt]

this slate skin is so good, looks like the snake is opening its mouth when you cycle the bolt

this would be a really good skin if they didn't stick a random single bullet on the barrel with snake duct tape

[gilded umbra]

It’s an emergency bullet.

[mint wind]

For yourself if you're cornered by monsters >:)

[supple smelt]

These are the first challenges 😭

[granite shard]

hey guys just heard back from crytek-- I know I had been talking abt uncertainty with sharing the premium story mission lore bits since they're technically paid content, have gotten confirmation that they're okay to share and compile here 👍

[supple smelt]

that'd be like saying "you can't screenshot that skin! it's paid content!"

[granite shard]

I mean the difference is you wouldn't be able to play as that character in game with just a screenshot, whereas you can read the story just as fine from a screenshot as you can in game

which is why I wanted to get clarification since we've never had this sort of monetization before and I needed to get crytek's stance on it

previously the battle pass lore had been on the free track

[quiet mirage]

In lore is reviving even a thing? In all the trailers hunters would get shot ONCE and wouldn't get back up EVER

[icy brook]

Not that I’m aware of

[supple smelt]

free one

[static glen]

is it safe to assume that sunshine is giggles?

[supple smelt]

Unlikely

[static glen]

thats what I was thinking but I could be wrong

[supple smelt]

eye colours look different

[fervent vortex]

"Hit a High Striker" What's this

[noble scarab]

They’re found in the circus compound

Old fashioned strength testing machines

[fervent vortex]

Thx

[supple smelt]

max you can get is one per game

sadly

[quiet mirage]

Heh never seen the woman on the right before

Def buying

🥹 ✌️

[strange bane]

https://tenor.com/view/john-marston-smoke-john-marston-cigarette-john-marston-badass-john-marston-sigma-john-marston-rdr1-gif-2267861863257535866

Lore! New stuff! Yeehaw

[real cedar]

Nope, the behind the scenes video talks about how Sunshine was recruited by Giggles. They're 1000% different people.

[icy brook]

It turns out Sunshine disappears when Giggles takes her prescribed laudanum

[earnest jungle]

Question where is it mentioned that Sunshine was betrayed by The Fool?

[noble scarab]

Her bio I think?

Maybe one of the blogs if not the bio

[real cedar]

You do have to buy it to open the 3D Viewer 😔

[supple smelt]

need help with it?

[real cedar]

Have you completed any of the challenges yet? I'll need to grab a record of what the challenges are alongside the lore and eventually the gun's image

[supple smelt]

yeah I completed them

[real cedar]

Damn, and I'm betting they don't still show the numbers and instead just say 'completed'

[supple smelt]

yeah

these are the 2 chapters after

I'll see if someone on discord posted

[real cedar]

Thanks, let me know once you've unlocked the Terminus and I'll DM you about taking the screenshot for it. You're a huge help 💪

[supple smelt]

do you catalogue charms too?

[real cedar]

Yeah, but we've got a guy who can grab proper UI pngs of them

[supple smelt]

I think I'll have the terminus by tomorrow but the high striker challenge is slowing me down, it's 1 per game and you have to actually find the machine

so 15 games minimum

[loud quartz]

🇹

[analog pendant]

Living for the rivalry between Grace Kim and Desert Rose

[earnest jungle]

I may just be terminally yuri brained but I swear Sunshine and Sharpshooter are at the very least a visual reference to Arcane.

[analog pendant]

If ever there was something to be terminal, I would hope it would be yuri brained

[earnest jungle]

Like obviously Sharpshooter is a reference to Kim Yeji the South Korean Olympic shooter but the blue and gold color scheme and her animation feels like a nod to Caitlyn from Arcane/league of legends

[analog pendant]

Hear me out: The strongman but wahman👀

Brawler Babe and shooty lady👀

[icy brook]

Bearded lady😳

[earnest jungle]

That would be cool as well

We’ve got clowns, knife throwers, sharpshooters, strongmen, beast tamers, and strongmen

[analog pendant]

Y’ALL C’MONNNN

[earnest jungle]

We could use some more carnies like a tattooed lady/strong woman

Or trapeze artists

[analog pendant]

I would FW a trapeze artist

[earnest jungle]

They allude to a fire breather

Maybe a magician or two

[icy brook]

Snake man (guy suffering from debilitating plaque psoriasis)

[earnest jungle]

We actually have a hunter already like that but she’s lore only

[analog pendant]

I feel like we have too many clowns, we have the clown boys, giggles, and now sunshine, I don’t hate on any of them, but the only other carnie hunters we have, and correct me if I’m wrong, are the beast tamer, the sharpshooter yuri, and now the strongman?

[earnest jungle]

We have two sharpshooters now actually counting desert rose and a knife thrower

But yeah Fin McGowan was swallowed by a giant snake god and when regurgitated the skin that had been burned by it’s digestive acids did not scab but scaled

[orchid tangle]

last circus was pm, some clowns, a sharpshooter girl, and a big bulky guy
this circus is pm, a clown, a sharpshooter girl, and a big bulky guy

following the trend maybe next circus we'll have one less clown again and have none

[supple smelt]

wait who’s the sharpshooter

As in who is she in arcane terms

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/multiversology/images/d/d2/Caitlyn_Base.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210322031120

I don’t really see it

[earnest jungle]

My discord handle is The Fool’s Mad Heir for a reason

[supple smelt]

The post Malone skins have fallen by 50%… the malone economy is in shambles

[supple smelt]

mine is revive mosin enjoyer for a reason too

[earnest jungle]

I am terminally yuri brained and I fully admit that the Cait-Sharpshooter connection is a stretch

[supple smelt]

woman with gun

is this a jojo reference?

https://tenor.com/view/pipotam-baby-hippo-hippo-wash-shower-gif-3406421565683572068

[earnest jungle]

I do stand by the Sunshine/Vi connection though:
the color scheme, the prominent brass knuckle

The Red Asymmetrical Undercut

I may just be seeing faces in the wood grain and patterns in the tea leaves though

[supple smelt]

I see that one

[earnest jungle]

Anyone’s whose read my theories on the Sculptor, the Murmurstone, and the P-Tr extinction event knows I’m nuts

[supple smelt]

I think post malone is the sculptor

It all makes sense

He crafted the evil revive crossbow

And the silenced Krag

I bet you we’ll get a sculptor themed event eventually

[earnest jungle]

Nah the Sculptor is a Paleozoic bug man demigod who ascended to godhood in the great dying 252 Million years ago

[strange bane]

Oofa, the mind can only wander at the thought

Would be cool

[supple smelt]

so I think we’ll make them a 6 foot tall person in a mask and call it a day

I’m excited for what comes after the post Malone event because this stuff is really good I just don’t like the circus theme

And story challenges seem interesting

[strange bane]

Goated takes , valid

I dig it , much better second time round

[supple smelt]

Yeah

[earnest jungle]

That’s Hunt in a nutshell

[supple smelt]

The gun skins were terrible last time

[earnest jungle]

They always nail it the second time around

[strange bane]

That they do

[supple smelt]

The hunter skins are slightly better but wish we had more or a non circus one

[strange bane]

I liked the design of some of them, but I can see why they aren’t popular much at all lol especially compared to this loadout

[supple smelt]

IMO best hunters was garden of the witch, judgement of the fool was meh and the spider event had the hanged man which was good and the cowgirl which was also cool

[earnest jungle]

Everything here feels like it fits into the game a lot better

[supple smelt]

Yeah

[strange bane]

Lil less PM lil more room for the work to breathe and tell its own tale you get me?

[supple smelt]

Those clowns were really not that fitting

I think they’re in the blood bond store now but idk cause I own them

The clowns would be so good if they looked like actual mopey 1800s clowns and not a spirit Halloween scary clown costume

[strange bane]

Don’t get me wrong, Posty is such a chill dude and the fame did not make him change

One of the good guys , rare as they are with celebs

I ain’t even the hugest fan of his work , but I do appreciate his vibe and authenticity

Some tracks are decent lol. Post’s playlist , posted by Post Malone is a funny line and I’m almost certain he is self aware of that as well as his initial Hunt iteration’s rep somewhat

But the Hunt Devs are masters of their craft, and at the end of the day Posty is one of us, a guy who loves Hunt

Good with the bad

[analog pendant]

As always syndi with a breath of fresh air of a take

[strange bane]

Thank you thank you

[earnest jungle]

Oh?

[analog pendant]

Oh oh oh it’s magic

[earnest jungle]

Is this a post malone hunt playlist?

[strange bane]

Ye Knowwww

Could be, has some variety to it

I enjoy the Colter Wall

We in our post Post Malone era after this event

Lore gonna go wild

[earnest jungle]

I do think it’s a missed opportunity that Post and the PSB have yet to do a collab for either event

[strange bane]

Now that would be good listening

Shadow’s Wake already sounds incredible

[earnest jungle]

The Post Malone that exists in game was a singer before he became the ringmaster of the Circus

[strange bane]

True. Would be too fitting

I can almost visualize a way for Post to return without it being an event or in game thing, but just as a singer for PSB in lore? With a release of a feature song by the lovely PSB

As their lyrics are brimming with lore references and ties wording wise

But I am just a Bog Man

https://tenor.com/view/wut-undead-skeleton-gif-12561917

I can dream and I can meme, I’m lival to read lore till I turn green

[vague frigate]

still we already have guns from post 1899

i dont see a reason to advance time

If it wasnt to add things

[real cedar]

They advanced time previously to show that the game and story is progressing forward, and since then they haven't added any guns from 1896 onwards.
Either way it doesn't matter, time isn't actually progressing it's just a silly bio that breaks the fourth wall.

[vague frigate]

with the a5 being in game from 1903 (1905 for U.S release) if the game was in 1898 and the time gap stayed the same for what to add that would put slide actions well within the frame

technically speaking”modern” semi autos are already on the table just for 1903 being the president for tech

and not prototypes either

[noble scarab]

The clown and king was a prototype

[vague frigate]

not until 1899

[noble scarab]

In hunts lore it was specifically outlined as one

Similar to the avto

[real cedar]

This world's different, they even had a story where a gunsmith mentions he previously rode with John Moses Crown and got the blueprints for the auto-5 from him.

Or at least a prototype built by him

[vague frigate]

irl the guy who desighned the first “modern” semi auto shotgun also designed the first “modern” semi auto at the same time using similar princaples

browning 1899/fn1900

[real cedar]

Yup, they could put that in the game if they wanted to.
But they never will

[vague frigate]

being desighned in 1898

its already in the same timeframe if not closer to the games setting then the a5

[vague frigate]

is that what people said about the a5?

[real cedar]

Nah, cause the auto-5 was in the game from the start

[vague frigate]

so in lore the gun was designed in 1895 putting the first modern pistols at 1896/7

[real cedar]

Not really, it just puts the gun being made in 1895 and nothing happens as a result of it unless other lore declares differently

The world is still more or less real history except when mentioned otherwise

It doesn't expand or contract in response

[vague frigate]

even if we assume john was not ahead with making his first modern semi auto pistols as he was with the a5 then 1898 still puts the game in th right timeframe

given hunts browning is involved with the hunt

[real cedar]

Anyway, the argument for slide pistols probably made sense in early access with the dolch, avto, and auto-5 being present but after 8 years of Crytek willfully ignoring anything like that I think it's fair to say it won't happen. It's perfectly reasonable that it could've, but it didn't and now likely won't.

[vague frigate]

kinda feels like the devs arent sure where to move the games guns i hope we see more cosmetic side grades

and a spinoff set in thr late 20s / early 30s

Since for what hunt is i think in terms of unique real guns hunt is almost at it’s conclusion

and a 1930s mobster extraction shooter would be amazing

the whole running for county lines would lend itself perfeclty

low tier would be some guns from hunt

ww1 rifles double actions

mid tier would be 1911 colt 1907 the a5

top tier would be the thompson and BAR

[brisk agate]

Have talked with friends about that more than once. even 1920s would be enough with so many weapons beeing around that time

[vague frigate]

imo late 20s ealry 30s because the most famous versions of guns from that era are late 20s

like the 1927 tommy

a ton of hunts guns could go in a gangster shooter too

bonnie and clydes gang has some 1887s

i saw on pintrest some hunt looking 1911 variants

colt brawler

[brisk agate]

True gives more freedom. id say hunts gameplay would be literally the same with more inaccurate full auto spray

[vague frigate]

Id like it to be seperate game

same engine

some recycled things

[brisk agate]

also true. a spineoff rather than Hunt itself progressing into it. people wouldnt take it well

[vague frigate]

id like to stay cowboy

making a mobster game would give them monopoly on fps gangster and cowboys

crytch could capture the entire specturm that war thunder hasnt

[strange bane]

Don’t want to spoil as it is the first day, but the Strongman’s Lore is top tier

Violent but determined

[strange bane]

Am heartily enjoying the lore , holy Mary and Joseph

[spiral mica]

Out of curiosity do we have a total number of hunters that Felis has helped/rescued?

[real dove]

Centipede, the cage head(s- tech 2 skins but 1 hunter), uh... She gave her jaw bone dusters to someone but my brain is not working yet

[zenith perch]

reptilian

[real dove]

Was it him or one of the other 2

Thought it was ward

/warrior?

Brain not braining

[zenith perch]

gave it to retilian and reptilian gave it to ward

[real dove]

Right!

Thanks

[zenith perch]

np!

I havent played the event too much, but psychoghost said something I agree with

I like the circus theme way more than clowns

actually want to get the rewards

-# I don't like clowns too much

[real dove]

I like all of it! ~~minus pm but he's less annoying this time ~~

I think it's a dope event

[zenith perch]

I didn't play the last one cause I didnt like the rewards at all

[real dove]

Fair. I like this BP a lot

Has some (imo) really good skins

[zenith perch]

yeah it really does

actually really like posts skins this time around

[mint wind]

There ́s a tiny PM scratched on the Lebel. Which is actually fine enough imo. Genuinely how it should’ve been to begin with.

[supple smelt]

and on the flare gun

@real cedar just unlocked the shotgun

tell me what you need

all the krampus challenge lore

[strange bane]

Thank you Aquila, very convenient

[earnest jungle]

That’s a decent little story there I like it

Wish it wasn’t locked behind a time exclusive paywall though

[supple smelt]

well now it's not

https://tenor.com/view/pipotam-baby-hippo-hippo-wash-shower-gif-3406421565683572068

[rotund ferry]

That chapter 2 for Krampus is brutal

[noble scarab]

post lore

[supple smelt]

Easiest for me, what’s hard?

Last one is brutal for 50 clowns, barely any spawn

[rotund ferry]

I meant the lore entry

[supple smelt]

Oh

Lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151874214995955842/1307831735425175622/togif.gif

[spiral mica]

Bless you Krampus for removing 3 more seemingly clown hunters 🙏

[orchid tangle]

I caved

cool meridian gets a mention

[lucid anvil]

…uh. When did he come out?
Damnit
I’m listening to the songs again, and now I want to get back into the game..

[orchid tangle]

you have to cough up 2 twitch subs

thankfully the one and like only gaming content creator I like streams hunt sometimes

[noble scarab]

Can you provide a photo with of his arms?

Like first person

[spiral mica]

Honestly it's a really great looking skin. I love everything he has on him that alludes to the profession of bounty hunting. The tally marks on his chestplate, the wanted poster strapped to his forearm, and of course the collection of heads hanging from his waist. It's all very aesthetically pleasing.

His lore is also intriguing with his apparent beef with Turncoat.

[spiral mica]

Oh nice the wanted poster on his forearm is even visible from first-person.

[noble scarab]

neat

i like it i think

still dont think i'll do the subs thing however

[orchid tangle]

I feel like they'll make him more accessible in like 5 decades or something

[neon minnow]

It's been a while since I read blood meridian, could this be a reference to Toadvine? The ugly, ratty guy who took pieces of corpses?

[real cedar]

Is Head Taker event boosted?

[spiral mica]

Good question

[strange bane]

Could be, honestly has a Glanton Gang / Toadvine vibe. I could see it

Looks like a proper not morally good dude, but in a western gritty kinda way

[orchid tangle]

yep!

[orchid tangle]

if he is it's only by that alone, toadvine was a pretty opportunistic criminal and (with the standards of that book) somewhat respectable. This dude seems to be very dead set on killing every criminal in a sadistic way

'n this guys got all his pieces still together

[strange bane]

I am extremely impressed and overly grateful for how much we have in terms of new Hunters now; and it’s made me realize I would like to see a bounty Hunter esque character that specifically does not kill his targets. Mayhaps a former man of the cloth, turned bounty hunter. He only ever killed one man, because he had no recourse

If this is a mid idea I apologize! Lol

[mint wind]

iirc Toadvine is one of the few in the gang who ́s actually horrified of what he has been doing as time went by.

[strange bane]

Funnily enough he and the Priest are who I would consider the pseudo main cast apart from the Kid The Judge and Glanton

[mint wind]

Out of the bunch, he and the priest are the nicest, and the kid too ig even though... well they took part in the gang acts.

[strange bane]

Toadvine also was the Kid’s first friend , started out trying to kill each other lol

Essentially any hunter of that vibe is cool to me , is what I was getting at with the character idea stuff lol

The Priest next! Lol Reverend Gird part 2

[orchid tangle]

toadvine is my favorite character in the book, people usually like tobin (the priest) more but I really really enjoyed toadvine

he has some humanity in him because he was always kinda with the kid and helping him out

he almost kills holden at a point for his cruelty but doesn't

[strange bane]

I’m real enthused with all of this new stuff

Great discussion btw

[mint wind]

Tobin is the guy who tries to befriend the kid by helping him, Toadvine is kind of the kid’s pal and the yeah, the one who would actually not cross the line.

[cold wind]

i absolutely love the lore for the new tierable hunter, kills someone in self defense, leads him down a path of blood and mayhem. very cool

[frozen drift]

So… about headtaker

This survivor that escaped him, I take it that it’s the same turncoat from the dlc with the two dolch skins?

[icy brook]

Yup

[strange bane]

I dig that the Turn Coat is a connecting piece for so many other hunters now, and by extension I dig lore connections between Hunters when they work. Adds depth to the world, similar to how the new lore for Mister Morgan connects so well with the established setting

[spiral mica]

I think that's two hunters now that are connected to Turncoat if I'm not mistaken?

That old thunder lady from last event's battlepass and the Headtaker.

Lilith is also affiliated with Pale Judge and Silver spur.

[neon minnow]

Yeah that's right, I remember now. I swear this model is how he appeared in my mind's eye, and so I connected the two

Just thinner and more sickly

[strange bane]

Oh yeah, Mister Jansen is only connected to two other hunters canonically lol. I reckon I misremembered that as he was introduced back around Traitors Moon. Can’t recall if there was much lore setup there. Just remember the imagery of a trio consisting of The Rat, The Kid and Llorona’s Heir seemingly standing off with him for that event

But we love seeing lore connections here

Going back and re watching old trailers occasionally makes me really appreciate how far we’ve come

[gilded umbra]

https://youtu.be/nF7AncUQGwo?si=27rRqcV0k6qmdeiC

[supple smelt]

Woah new event!!!!!!1111111!!!!!

[gilded umbra]

Traitor’s Moon 2: The Dark Is Rising, Again 🌕

[acoustic whale]

Traitor’s Moon 2: The Dark Is Rising, Again Part 2

[supple smelt]

What does it mean by “Post Malone tier 3 set”

what is tier 3

[analog pendant]

I figured since we had the two other iterations in the og event and this is his third look or “tier” like how we have the evolution of other hunters with different looks despite being the same character just progressing though time and their stories

[orchid tangle]

he also just looks like a tier 3 hunter with pms face

[supple smelt]

he does but in an official video they wouldn’t mention it just for that lol

Maybe they’ll actually do tiered hunter skins that aren’t free eventually

Probably just because it’s the third set of postie skins

[loud quartz]

just dont read too much into a video or trailer

[deft storm]

Why does he have a wanted poster wrapped around his arm?

is that to really make it obvious that he's a bounty hunter

but....,,,..why

[real dove]

why not

?

[deft storm]

idk, might be the second worst way to carry a poster, other than on the bottom of your boots

They've done a good job before this of carefully avoiding the question of armor on Hunters, but you can't really ignore that with this guy. Does he get a damage reduction to torso hits from the front? Invulnerable to birdshot and knives?

[icy brook]

Maybe it’s his own wanted poster, no harder way to flex

[real dove]

? We have prod daughter

Who is wearing a metal facemask

[real dove]

Oh that would be cool lol

"has anyone seen this man"

[brazen root]

Of course they can ignore it

[deft storm]

makes it hard to get paid by the bondsman, huh lol

"Saayy.....you look familiar..."

[deft storm]

it will be

[deft storm]

no idea what sort of metal hers is supposed to be, it looks more cosmetic or symbolic than protective. Head Taker's certainly looks like steel armor

[real dove]

Oh for sure but that tracks, he's a bounty hunter. I think his gimmick matches his look

[deft storm]

yea bet that was the designer's "logic" there for his vibe, checking off the boxes

could have used a second draft

[real dove]

What is your issue with him? The armor? I feel it's pretty logical for a bounty hunter to want to wear armor.

[icy brook]

I like it, I just figured it was an old Spanish breastplate looted from killer to killer

Chief Iron Jacket type stuff

[deft storm]

a head taking bounty hunter is a good idea for HS, but he's very cosplayish, he's got a lot goin on all over him in a very busy, generative AI kind of style, and baffling details like a poster on his arm

they SHOULD put an armor system in Hunt, let me have torso protection from weaker weapons and a little worse stamina, and slower movement speed

don't just slap it on characters for nothing tho

[orchid tangle]

armor system would just another bad step imo to normalizing to games like warzone and stuff

we really don't need mosin dolch users with big heavy armor

[deft storm]

burn em, kill em

[icy brook]

Armor system so the masses can finally be delivered their Ned Kelly Hunter

[deft storm]

bruh let me have a medieval knight in armor

I mean we already have the guy with the cuirass and welders why not bro that would be fire

[obsidian bronze]

I wish I could ask a dev or someone on the creative board of this game a specific question about lore

But there doesn’t seem to be a category on the discord

[deft storm]

what's the question? Someone may have an idea

[obsidian bronze]

It’s a bit stupid as a concept

But I’ve felt compelled for the last couple months to take up writing again and hunt has proven to be an extremely good source of inspiration, to the point where I can’t seem to separate my work from theirs

Which in turn means I can’t make any money of it because it isn’t mine, so the most I could do with it is finish writing it and just sort of hand it over to them

Since they’re the only ones who can actually do anything with it

A bit bold, I am aware

[hollow leaf]

Question: What is this "Bounty"?
How long has the game been going on and I still can't figure out what I'm collecting from the boss.
If we're collecting marks, perhaps we're talking about painting a picture. Like artists, we create a masterpiece from the dirt, and thus see the lair.

But what do we get visually when we pick up a Bounty? A clot of ash? Ethereal energy that begins to flow in our blood and allows us to see the living? If it's ephemeral energy, then, according to legend, how can we even give it to the client?

[real cedar]

Bounty tokens are specific pieces of the boss target's physical form, small enough to flip across knuckles or place in a person's mouth. Each target's token looks different from other targets.
Some of the old Tier 1-3 hunters wear a pair of vials on their bandolier, which suggests that's where they keep the tokens, and why it's a limit of 2 per person. After they're sold, the tokens are collected into barrels by rich benefactors and used in occult experiments and rituals.
The main spots that describe what Bounty Tokens are (mostly in passing) is the Tide of Desolation, Desolation's Wake, and Scorched Earth event stories.

[real dove]

God no armor pls. We don't need another mechanic to deal with.

[mint wind]

Welders would be quite happy.

[topaz mirage]

I have a theory, although I’ve been told I will get in trouble if I try to talk about that subject again

Although I don’t think it is bad at all

It involves 👽

[nocturne socket]

I think what you’re talking about would lead to neither of you being able to use it to make money because they would have intellectual ownership and you would have creative ownership.

What I do know that some people have done when trying to get into writing for someone else’s intellectual property is making a short story… like a proof of concept almost and sending that to them and then working out a contract from that if they like your work. I believe a large part of that will be you having to already have been a minority successful writer or at least a published writer.

The other option is to just write what you want using the inspiration and then go back and edit and change enough of it that its original or at least not copyright infringement.

[granite shard]

look at all the published romance novels out there that are legally distinct dramione or reylo lmao

[nocturne socket]

Only way I’d be at all okay with armor is if it takes up a 2-3 weapon slot and it can break and not be fixed mid hunt haha

[gilded umbra]

THAC0 🛡️

[analog pendant]

I FORGET DRAMIONE IS A THING😂😭

[granite shard]

I wish I could forget about harry potter

[analog pendant]

I feel like HP used to be way better, like the magic is gone, ironically enough

If that makes sense

[safe lynx]

hello

what is the lore of this game

in tldr

im new

[strange bane]

If you want all the lore The Mad Scribe Mister Rai is your best bet. He compiled all the lore in a doc I think , and you also got the Wiki and the Website. The folks here are really well versed in the lore as well!

[analog pendant]

As always syndi knows what’s what

[loud quartz]

#lore-discussion message

#lore-discussion message

[fickle sluice]

@real cedar @granite shard Alright, the Vinyl with the letter arrived. Do you guys think it's fine to post a pic in here or should I type it out?

Ok, I'll write it out. No way that's gonna be legible on a foto

I find it interesting that the Corruption is capitalized

[granite shard]

Pog!!!

[real cedar]

Corruption has been capitalized for a while now, around 1896 they started formalizing some of the terms and introducing new ones like Incursion

[fickle sluice]

I never noticed that before

[real cedar]

Very spooky lore drop btw, it puts a new spin on the Loading Screen text that mentions Port Sulphur Band watched a crowd turn into grunts and go crazy in Lewis Saloon

[fickle sluice]

yeah, and apparently I own a cursed Item now

[left summit]

Why/How is PM back in hunt?

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-know-dont-know-bird-clueless-gif-12587825

[left summit]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sigh-gif-9079013946596560045

I thought we were done but that's not the case.

[fickle sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/somehow-palpatine-returned-somehow-palpatine-poe-dameron-poe-gif-20849141

[left summit]

So who put the tents back up.......

Why take them down if you were planning to put them back up.

[real cedar]

Somehow enough time has passed in between the murder circus first appearing sometime after August 1896 and it returning sometime after August 1896 for Post Malone to have become a tier 3 hunter

It doesn't really take that long going by other lore but still

[left summit]

I just hoped he wouldn't make a comeback nothing against pm himself.

Especially with the backlash they got with the 1st collab.

[granite shard]

Could be a bad contract

That would be my guess — they signed a multi year contract w him back in 2024 expecting people to love this shit for some reason and then they found out that oh no… people didn’t love this shit lol

Hopefully this is the last time we see the circus and next year we have a better winter event

[real cedar]

The backlash was primarily about post himself, surprisingly the circus event has been one of the most popular of the last two years judging by survey results. That peak player count reached 40k for this event also suggests that it's a winning formula.
And it does seem like they listened to feedback and tried to make PM fit more into Hunt rather than Hunt twisting itself to fit with him.

[left summit]

I don't mind the other hunter it's just I'm not a fan of pm himself to be in the game.

Love the weapon and theme

Just had to clear that up.

[real cedar]

Agreed, it creates an annoying thing to be reminded about, even more so when other parts of the lore attempt to connect with the circus.
It's like when Palpatine's return was first announced in Fortnite of all things. That's just part of the canon story, which cheapens the experience.

I go a step further and don't quite like the circus theme, all the clowns and weapon skins and such just don't feel right, but it seems there's people who like it and the event it comes with is fun so it's not a top complaint for me.

[fickle sluice]

remember, when we had proper christmas events? with clues that looked like candles, christmas trees, decorated bosses and an actual christmas theme in the menu?

[left summit]

IMO it would've made sense to have this event after pmmc since the tents would be up it just lore wise don't make sense to me.

[granite shard]

Man those candle clues were so pretty, I really miss them

[left summit]

Did we get any new Christmas skin this year & do we know if we're getting the new year hunter back or a new one yet?

[real cedar]

We got the Krampus story challenge skin

[fickle sluice]

I like the designs the second time around. the first ones sucked imho tho

[left summit]

Free or have to pay been out of the country for a week?

[real cedar]

It costs 1150BB and can only be purchased during the event, though the challenge can be completed at any time after purchase

Aside from that, there's a new year of the horse hunter coming up that will also get a story challenge, teased in a blogpost image and the background of the cinematic trailer

[left summit]

Do you have a picture by any chance?

[left summit]

YESSS.

[left summit]

Meh.

Thank you so much Rai.

The red mask looks better.imo

[fickle sluice]

I like him. He looks like he's straight out of some of the celebrations some villages around here have

[real cedar]

It is pretty cool how Devil's Advocate was a solid Krampus concept but this one really captures how BEEG those traditional Krampus costumes can be

[left summit]

For me it's the bells they are so just so big.

[fickle sluice]

he suffers from the same issue like alice, red hood and the others. he's just the thing. DA was huntified more if you ask me

[fickle sluice]

they do be accurate tho. be glad they don't jingle when you run lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wMC-bzqOq0

just so I am not the only one who's sad about what we lost

[granite shard]

Yeah that’s how I really feel about it — Devil’s advocate is just a significantly more interesting hunter bc he’s looking at the krampus concept and creating a unique character out of it, whereas this new guy is just krampus

Like I don’t think you could put this krampus hunter in tide of corruption’s story like they could devil’s advocate, bc he’s just so tied to the Christmas season

[fickle sluice]

Still gorgeous. But... eh

[granite shard]

Yeah it’s a well designed krampus hunter, just unfortunately it’s nothing more than just krampus

I tend to have issue w Christmas skins in games in general bc I don’t think you can really use them outside of the season tbh

[fickle sluice]

I like to troll people with santa

[supple smelt]

This year the themes are better imo

Hunters are buns but I actually like the skins

[analog pendant]

Girlie got a point👏🏻👏🏻

But then again isn’t that like anything that’s relating a specific holiday?

[granite shard]

Halloween is something that I feel generally has more year round appeal

[analog pendant]

Esp in hunt bc spookay

[granite shard]

Like I tend to run the van helsing skin for Cassidy in Overwatch all the time bc I love his little paw pads on his cybernetic arm lmao

[analog pendant]

LIL PAW PADS?

[granite shard]

Little paw pads 🙏

[analog pendant]

Hold up, I gotta google this now

[granite shard]

Hunt’s had some misses w Halloween skins— I don’t feel the need to run pumpkin head year round (or… even at Halloween lmao), but mama maye I love running whenever

[analog pendant]

In the wise words of Gazi from the first dying light game: “If Mama ain’t happy nobody happy”

[noble scarab]

I don’t know if crytek is enough of a Christmas folklore nerd (somehow I doubt it) for this to be relevant, but

Devils advocate is a reference to Hans Trapp, at least in name. Hans was a folkloric cannibal from the French/german mountains, originally a knight that fucked over a bunch of monks for I believe a dam, or some land.

Krampus is a separate folkloric entity, however at this point they’re kinda all mixed up

Trying to pull apart the various Christmas wild men and devils is next to impossible

Which is to say that you could look at our 2 hunters as being 2 different krampus (is it krampi?) interpretations

[real cedar]

They're pretty well read on it, or at least a previous writer's team was. This article from 2020 basically spelled out multiple christmas skins they'd add in the following years
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/regards-from-harold-black

[noble scarab]

Back when we had good writers funding for the writers

[granite shard]

Man don’t say that, the writers rn are dealing with being absolutely shafted by the company

[analog pendant]

I’m Mandela-ing hard but was Giggles and her stuff still available to buy post-og-Postie-event or did she and her stuff get like “vaulted” in between stuff??

[supple smelt]

When the event released you could buy it and I’m pretty you still could after

[analog pendant]

Ah finally, Ty, Aquila!

[acoustic whale]

what do you guys think about more celebrity collabs in the future?

especially with rappers

[mint wind]

No thanks.

[acoustic whale]

what if they fit the hunt theme

i've already said it before, Lil Wayne already has tattoos similar to AHA so it would be nice if they can get him

other rappers too

[mint wind]

I ́m not willing to let Crytek get another round for collab, considering it took 1 year to actually restore the circus into smth much more acceptable for Hunt.

[upbeat kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-evil-murder-revenge-door-gif-1577797765427295022

[left summit]

To the shadow realm with you.

[left summit]

What did Crytek do to the writers now?

[real cedar]

They've been on the backburner for the last year and some. At least we got the story challenges and recent brute n bileweaver stuff

[granite shard]

People got laid off and yeah, as rai said, stuff had been largely removed for a year. With no plans for any sort of bigger story and just disparate DLC descriptions and occasional event blurbs, the writers are put in a pretty bad disadvantage for things

We’ll see how stuff goes w the story challenges and whatnot

[gilded umbra]

When I first saw you say this I thought you were just being sarcastic.

[acoustic whale]

i don't joke around these parts, especially when it comes to my favorite rappers

[analog pendant]

[real dove]

May I suggest fortnite

I feel pretty confident you're just coming in here to troll lore, since PM is fairly unliked among us

If you want them in game, #game-ideas is the place

[acoustic whale]

i'll make a suggestion actually

but this one is gonna be about lil wayne

idk, lots of people will probably give it a thumbs down but meh

[analog pendant]

Oh boy

[acoustic whale]

done, atleast i have the courage to make it without caring about dislikes

[left summit]

I wonder if the horse hunter will be connected to the snake hunter

[gilded umbra]

Are those upcoming hunters in the game, or just in lore?

[strange bane]

I reckon they meant the Lunar New Year Hunters? Could be wrong

[granite shard]

There’s a new Chinese new year hunter coming for the year of the horse— he’s the guy w the mahjong mask

[gilded umbra]

Right, ok. For some reason I thought he meant two more new hunters. I got excited.

[granite shard]

Hah no worries

Would be cool to have even more hunters

[strange bane]

Yes it would , more Hunt is good Hunt

More lore to read , more designs to appreciate

[left summit]

sorry for not responding but yes what smalls said was corredct i was talking about the Chinese new year hunters from last year and this year.

[spiral mica]

The new Mahjong/year of the horse lunar new year hunter will be a storyline exclusive like Krampus, right?

Also, Zihuge will be returning as well?

[noble scarab]

I don’t think we know yet, but more than likely

[real cedar]

Yup, his challenge is called Game of Skill, it was in the second roadmap image they put out

[spiral mica]

Glad to hear it.

I wonder if his storyline will be cheaper like Krampus too.

1,150 seems reasonable enough.

[zealous palm]

Has the Fang Shearer had any relevance to the plot since Tides or Shadows?

[granite shard]

Nope

[zealous palm]

Thought so

[eternal hazel]

What do we know more…of John Victor

[odd pier]

what yall know about john victor

[spiral mica]

He's a seasoned and skilled hunter that has a soft spot for new recruits.

That's why he mentors you in the tutorial.

[fathom mirage]

What is the lore of Leo Nunez 🧐

Even he himself does not know it

[left summit]

That he kills monsters and takes bounties.

And he carries two swords as his favorite loadout or so I've heard.

[fallen knoll]

I heard he killed 2 brutes with only his fist

Or was it john l Sullivan

[gilded umbra]

I heard he killed a Hive just by yelling at it.

[onyx wind]

Have we had any actual developments recently? I haven't really paid attention since the gulch update

[fallen knoll]

i mean the murder circus is back so guess we need to kill some bad or just a whole lot more brutes either way we get the shredder

[fallen knoll]

odd question why does the water devils left the bayou and infect places like louisy ana

[gilded umbra]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore/tagged/monsters/water-devil

[fallen knoll]

wow i just chop it up as water devils being fresh water and they cant go to the ocean

[gilded umbra]

I like the sounds Water Devils make, they always seem angry and hungry.

[fallen knoll]

and shootable

[loud steeple]

spearable

[gilded umbra]

Throwing Knifeable

[acoustic whale]

dynamitable

[vocal prism]

Hammerable

[spiral mica]

Bomb lanceable

[brazen root]

The lore enjoyers have lost their minds

[analog pendant]

Lore Enjoyable

[crystal terrace]

When has this channel even been about lore

[real cedar]

A long time ago, when lore was plentiful and there was an emerging story to follow.
Now it's kinda just a clubhouse of discord regulars with the occasional pop-in "Hey what's a good way to get into the lore?" question.

[real dove]

? Have you tried scrolling up?

[crystal terrace]

not two year’s up xD

[crystal terrace]

unfortunate but fair enough

[strange bane]

Lore Observable? Lol

[analog pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-beard-swag-hey-girl-llumiya-gif-17484464

LEMME ONE UP YOU SYNDI

LORE DISCUSSABLE

[onyx wind]

So what's the Heliostone?

The last I was paying attention was during the middle to the Tide arc

[real cedar]

The Heliostone is a weird face-shaped rock that may or may not have corruptive powers that came from [somewhere] but now it's missing so it doesn't matter anymore.

[onyx wind]

Ah.

Man I miss those lore blurbs from the event passes now lmao

[gilded umbra]

Here is The Bone Doctor. I tracked him here from Ash Creek Lumber. I took his life this time with a single Derringer shot to the head. He has proven to be a worthy adversary. We've encountered each other many times and I'm sure we will face each other again. But his sibling Weird Sister is tracking me now. I can feel her need for vengeance stalking me. I suppose I will soon be the one lying on the ground and photographed by her while my life slips away. The Hunt is a never ending cycle of wins and losses, victories and defeats; life and death, birth and rebirth, only to live to die again.

[fallen knoll]

i knew it it is cloning

the life and death and life again it so obiviou btw this is a joke

[fallen knoll]

a more serious note i have a theory might be completely wrong that lynch is now in charge of that circus after post malon to gather the energys of the corruption to bring herself physically back

[real cedar]

It's been my crackpot theory that Lynch is somehow connected to most of these recent loreless events because of tiny hints here and there.
She could've been the mastermind behind the Pact of Omens and their new darksight related tech (she's known to be a bomb maker in lore)
Her knife has shown up in Harvest: Midnight's intro animation, in a teaser image for Garden of the Witch, and most recently in Disciple of Death's intro animation.
Judgement of the Fool and Web of the Empress both had a Tarot theme to them, which was primarily her domain before it became a mechanical idea.
Murder Circus 1 is the only one without a clear connection.

The crown of lore is basically laying in the gutter ready to be picked up, all the pieces of a satisfying connected storyline are there to retroactively give meaning to these seemingly random events.

[fallen knoll]

so just to count potential threats other then the corruption we have lynch mr chary and the demented and to add all of that it apears the corruption is also across the world bring it on

[gilded umbra]

This channel is also, unofficially the #roleplaying channel.

[fallen knoll]

really

[spiral mica]

No, not really, but besides older lore there isn't really much to discuss here atm.

We'll get some stuff here soon with lunar new year, but that's mostly it for right now.

New storyline hunter and I think the previous year hunter will return to the store temporarily.

[fallen knoll]

anywho what is the aha now that huff jones is dead

just mr chary and mr fynch power struggle

[real cedar]

The AHA is gone, flat out

Finch is dead dead and Chary is a cloud angrily yelling at the Moon. All that's left is the Lawful Pact trying to keep order and the Backers paying out bounties

At some point in the future the AHA reforms but until then it's every Hunter for themselves

[fallen knoll]

so basically till other aha leadership like new york or other state ones take charge the hunters are on there own

[gilded umbra]

Unofficially (adverb): in a manner that is not officially authorized or confirmed.

To whom it may concern.

[fallen knoll]

well that explains why theres a sect of hunters worshiping the very thing there hunting like the demmented

[fallen knoll]

why does chary remind me of grampa simson

[orchid tangle]

I will step up and lead the AHA

[strange bane]

This new Syndicate will need a few Bog Men

Perhaps even a bog shade or two , some ghouls and a couple cowpokes

I reckon I’m proper grateful and feel very lucky to still have lore in some form. It will all connect at some point…… Ka is a wheel after all.

The Fool runs free, the Hanged Man lives and the Drowned Pact are holding it down at Darin Shipyard

Lulu has a cabin by the Gulch , Sheriff Hardin is…….retired?

The Primal pact and Wilderness Pacts continue to maintain balance if I’m reckoning properly

Death Pact is no more to my knowledge, or if they still exist they are like a smaller reflection of the AHA

Splintered after the Last Rites stuff

[fallen knoll]

And been hearing the lunar pact is still kicking

[strange bane]

Kevin certainly still is

I have faith in him

[fallen knoll]

I do too he's too innocent for this violent world

To handle

[strange bane]

Poor Feller didn’t have a choice

He was led

Chosen , too. Everything that came with that on the shoulders of just a boy

To my understanding, he may have been adopted by Lulu and Sofia the Death’s Herald

But that might not be canon? Unsure because am just going off my own memory heheh. Apologies

I reckon we all can relate to Mister Linus in some way , endlessly moving forward and pursuing lore/ enjoying the Hunt.

Even if we don’t have as much new lore, we still got it

[fallen knoll]

not to insult but does sophia even have the heart after coming back from the dead

[strange bane]

No clue partner

[real dove]

Seems like it. She's still wildly in love with lulu

[spiral mica]

Yeah, there's plenty of examples of Sophia having enough of a heart to care about someone or something. Lulu and (I think) her sister are proof.

She would also have to trust her fellow death pact hunters enough to fight alongside them.

[fallen knoll]

Odd question but what happened to the Reverend last I heard of him was that his faction shattard

[real cedar]

Nothing specific happened, I think he's been involved with lunar pact and others but besides that hes still doing the same old stuff.
That new story challenge suggests hes still in a leadership or recruiter position.

[fallen knoll]

Still purging the Bayou of corruption in the name of God is what I chop up to be his fate

[vague frigate]

i thought he was the first immolator

[real cedar]

That was Reverend Jeremy Byrne, not Reverend Ishim Gird

[fallen knoll]

Odd question why where the corvids doing in the bayou

[real cedar]

Experimenting, for the most part. They received letters from the Plague Doctor about the corruption and were drawn to this new occult disease as something to study, along with studying the Hunters themselves by killing them and taking parts.

[supple smelt]

So why would they join the AHA

Or are some hunters not part of it

[granite shard]

The AHA’s kinda bunk now, they probably didn’t join it

If they did it was probably just to make sure they could get in and do their shit without issue

[real cedar]

The AHA didn't exactly have much oversight either. Anyone that can take an injection, recite an oath, and shoot a gun was good enough regardless of personal motives

[vague frigate]

A little trolling (the most vile fucked up shit you can imagine)

[granite shard]

My clients are just being silly your honor

[fallen knoll]

Yep just trolling

[crystal terrace]

From what I understand the AHA was less an organization and more of an entry ticket to the bayou for those who otherwise lack connections

Idk if infighting within the AHA was common in lore but I’m assuming it was

[fallen knoll]

Odd question what happened to the smugglers

[strange bane]

They got mostly sweeped by the Drowned Pact in Tide of Desolation

The Rat wanted vengeance to my understanding without google’s help heheh

[fallen knoll]

Well guess they sunken with the dilfeen

[strange bane]

The Wayward Helmsman fired an empty gun in fear of the Drowned Rat, then he ran away as the last of his Companions were ripped apart by the Drowned Pact with the Rat leading

[real cedar]

It wasn't, up until the perfect storm of the Sculptor requiring very loose recruitment standards + big recurring bounties, and Dr. Huff being such an ass that the organization couldn't hold itself together. Before the Louisiana Incident, the AHA was small, tightly knit, and the Hunts they took on ended with their target dead and done, no resurrections.

[fallen knoll]

well the drown pact isnt removing the cowboy zombie allegations

[gilded umbra]

When I use him I don't play him as a fearless hunter. I usually try to fall back and survive instead of rushing in and dying because of that lore reference.

[strange bane]

That is respectable

[strange bane]

Lore coded gameplay quirks are cool as all get out

[strange bane]

Wim the Kid?

Ladies and gentlemen, we got em

Wim the Kid, has a nice Ring to it.

[real cedar]

Not the same guy, the poster also says William Bonney

[strange bane]

Was tracking from HT lore that he is hunting Turncoat?

So it seemed to line up

5000 bucks reward seems fitting for the crime he was charged with

Red Cask Gulch Massacre

Of which he was innocent of course

However, I reckon maybe the wanted poster there specifically is along the lines of the others and more of a trophy from past bounties.

Just thought it was cool and felt the need to make speculation

Will the Kid

Ah

My mistake

Not to be confused with the Kid, Turner Abaddon Jr. lmao

[fallen knoll]

What you guys think happened to lynche

[noble scarab]

She’s big chilling in the land of the dead

Hoping to one day be relevant again

[fallen knoll]

Or is pulling the strings in the shadows trying to control what Mr finch and Mr chary wrought

[carmine glade]

what connection

[real cedar]

Lilith's storyline mentions working with Silver Spur, that's why her page is listed in his lore connections

[carmine glade]

ah it just wassnt on the wiki page

hence my confusion

unless im missing osmething

[real cedar]

The connections just link to places the character was mentioned, no matter how briefly.

[fallen knoll]

i wonder when we will see the fool again after the pale judge maybe hes controling the circus i mean was it the circus in one of the fools trailers

[strange bane]

I can understand where you’re coming from, but I reckon that was just the Fool’s Hideout

Although, the Fool does possess a jovial, nonsense approving vibe. The Circus is most definitely of a similar vibe

Chaotic and a bit Crazy as well

The two C’s of any good Fool

[vague frigate]

is this guy pat garret or something?

also billy the kid being confirmed in hunt lore is something

[strange bane]

Absolutely

It is

I feel bad for mistaking him with Mister Jansen (Turncoat)

[fallen knoll]

so odd theory but i think the pale judg is still alive just went mad by the fool

[vague frigate]

the pale judge can never die

and he says he never sleeps

he dances in light and in shadow

and he is a great favorite

[fallen knoll]

he out there in the shadows judging hunters who failed to exise justice

[fallen knoll]

or t bag dead hunter

[strange bane]

“I’ll be the judge of that” - The Pale Judge to the Fool before the Fool judged him later on lol

Wonder if the Tarot could have predicted that , or if perhaps he was misjudging the cards meanings heheh

The thought of either one of those fellers roaming the bayou is equally ominous and intriguing. Luckily it’s just the Fool now , maybe we will hear tell of him again someday. For now, we got the lore connections he has to numerous other Legendary Hunters

Sunshine being the newest I reckon

[fallen knoll]

Well either case I hope there's a God for those hunter

[strange bane]

Likewise friend

[carmine glade]

so what's the lore about the alligator hunting gang skins

[mint wind]

Poachers looking for bigger games. But also cutthroats who would rather stay alone chasing their prey.

Eventually the call of profit will be the one thing they share.

[carmine glade]

Damn that hit the spot haha

[spiral mica]

You got Keith Cowen aka Reptilian, his adopted son and apprentice Scaled ward, and Marsha Colm aka Hornback who crafts things using the material provided by the gator poaching they do. You've also got Killian Gravel aka The Skinned who was the son of Frank Gravel who was the old partner of Keith Cowen, but after Keith killed Frank, his son Killian vowed to take revenge on Keith, but after they both witnessed Rotjaw they temporarily suspended their rivalry to hunt the bigger prize.

As far as I'm aware Killian died back during the tide of shadows story, but the description of the new "Skinner" hunter implies he somehow survived and now he hunts alongside the others.

[icy brook]

He was a gator boi

He said see ya later boi

[carmine glade]

Oh that's actually interresting 🙂 thx for explaining 😄

they have some deep connectoin

[fallen knoll]

i mean they usaully wear crocodile or gator skin so

[carmine glade]

well there's also the legendary hunter that buys the gator skin (at least according to her descriptoin)

[crystal terrace]

My favorite hunter is black coat but I can’t even lie that thing must be a bitch to launder after a hunt

[analog pendant]

Esp after rain matches💀😭

[crystal terrace]

Do we have any lore bites about who some of these legendary hunters are as people

Like their hobbies, weird quirks about their personalities aside from being evil murderers, etc

[analog pendant]

I’m not the most well versed in the lore, so I can not confidently say yes or no, but I do think that the general lore bites are more… narrative driven as a whole rather than personally driven, no F.R.I.E.N.D.S sitcom with out favorite ne’er-do-wells and scumbags, so it might be a situation in which fanon can emerge, but again, I ain’t the expert here, tons more people are better versed with a way better understanding of the intricacies of lord than I, but I didn’t want you to go unanswered, and for you to at least get a better smidge more of an understanding!!

[strange bane]

We have a good bit but also not much at the same time , if you want to know more I heavily suggest HazmatFTW’s videos on Hunt lore or looking up specific characters you want to know more about. Mister Rai has also compiled all the games lore in a doc and I’m sure he would be glad to share

[strange bane]

I wish we knew more as well tbh

[crystal terrace]

A hunt showdown sitcom would go incredibly hard

It would most likely only be an episode long because everyone would probably kill each other

[real cedar]

They could do an anthology series or a procedural with a core cast that just manages to survive everything. Redshirt would become a fan favorite side character for causing wildcard situations during fights but somehow making it out unharmed

[analog pendant]

Show like Love, Death, and Robots would be fun, or maybe something akin to Arcane too

[analog pendant]

Ooo or like every episode is a different match/hunt, following a different pairing, trio, or solo hunter and then they all respawn for drinks at the DeSalle saloon and just put the events of the day or night behind them

[orchid tangle]

anthology would be the way to do it imo

[icy brook]

“So erm did you remember to grab the bounty”
“Erm you were supposed to grab it”
laugh reel

https://tenor.com/view/stare-matthew-lillard-dean-boland-good-girls-nervous-gif-16809482

[fiery egret]

Goated Blood Meridian reference

[opal sphinx]

What is the best way to find the lore? I found a couple of videos but they are kind of lackluster

[warm lagoon]

#lore-discussion message

[real cedar]

Aside from HazmatFTW having the most videos on the lore, for text collections of all the lore there's the compendium in the pinned messages of this channel, the Lore section on the Hunt Showdown fan wiki, and there's the official lore archive on the Hunt website.
https://huntshowdown.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore
https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore

[split escarp]

Hazmat’s goated Fr

[split escarp]

What’s the whole deal with immolators? What did they used to be?

[analog pendant]

Well, we know that the first one was a reverend (who’s name I forget) who was being beaten to death and in the moment, his rage (and also I think the corruption) ended up literally blowing him up and his attackers with his rage and then from then on, the sculptor basically copy-pasted him and so every one that we encounter is like a copy of the OG, at least, that’s my understanding, but there’s peeps here with better understanding

[split escarp]

So they’re all made from scratch and not corrupted humans?

[analog pendant]

I think maybe the first one, the og, the reverend was a corrupted human and then from there, he sorta just decided to copy-paste the immolator to his heart’s content, like a bored game dev reusing the same asset to save on creative process

Though take my words with a grain of salt since I’m by no means the most versed in lore, for the best understanding, I recommend Hazmat’s lore vids or the writings of lore gathered by our favorite mad scribe, Rai

[split escarp]

I’ve watched Hazmat’s videos before, I’m still just confused on the immolators

[analog pendant]

lol I wish I could better explain😭

[real cedar]

You got it right, the immo was originally Reverend Jeremy Byrne. Something about his righteous anger mixed with pain and possibly Corruption ignited him. Something similar happened with Damon Delacroix, the Hellborn.

[analog pendant]

I’m so honored to have been fact-checked by you😭😂

And be right lmao

[spiral mica]

Besides Bradley the Brutal apparently winning the new weapon in a fight and bringing it into the hunt with him do we know anything else about the Flame Rifle or is that it?

[real cedar]

The design of it might be related to Wyatt Preston, as it says Preston Co. on the side. This would track with Preston giving out information about caches of weapons and other riches, and it using oil as ammo.

[spiral mica]

That's actually pretty cool. Scorched earth was hardly my favorite event story, but it's cool we're getting subtle callbacks like that with some of this newer stuff even though it's circus related.

[stuck nimbus]

Quick question, so as far as i know, the injection that gives the hunter's dark sight, is related to the "entity" that controls the monsters right?

Because if thats the case, doesnt that mean that all the monsters have dark vision aswell?

The hunter can use it at will since its a small portion

And also @real cedar (sorry for tagging you) but i noticed that the file with alk the lore in the pinned messages its from one year ago, there hasnt been any update on it?🤔

Or is it all just theories therefore not being taken "serious enough to be added"?

[real cedar]

The pin is from a year ago but the doc itself gets updated regularly, whenever there's something new to add I try to get it in within a week or so.

[real cedar]

It's a bit up in the air. The original inoculation that granted dark sight seemed to be made from poisonous datura, blood, and some other herbs. Then an improved serum was made from the fluids of an otherworldly entity summoned via ritual sacrifice. If those entities are from the same place the Sculptor is, then perhaps there's a connection in origin. At the very least, dark sight attunes a Hunter with Corruption, since they see rifts and boss targets through it.

[stuck nimbus]

Okay okay thank you😇

At this point you're so into the lore that they should let you write it

[stuck nimbus]

@real cedar (again sorry for ping) wait but, according to what hazmat said, the hunter association no longer exists??

He said it "collapsed"

[real cedar]

Yup, during Devil's Moon the acting administrator of the AHA threw in the towel, the organization broke under the weight of infighting and the schemes of Mr. Chary and Lynch

There are other branches of the Hunter's Association on other continents - though we haven't heard from them - and according to the Modern Researcher (the guy who writes the introductions to the Monster lore and Custom Ammo tidbits) the AHA reforms sometime in the future, though that could be decades from 1896. As it stands, the Hunters are on their own.

[mint wind]

They’re mostly led by some folks, like Hardin.

[stuck nimbus]

Sooo who the hell is the one setting up supplies weapons and everything for the hunters?

Do they buy it from the outside?

[stuck nimbus]

So what you're saying there is other hunter associations in places like europe that send people to lousiana?

But this time onstead for the bounty, they just send them to kill people

[stuck nimbus]

I mean i did see the photo of the AHA symbol graffiti

[stuck nimbus]

Once i get home imma read the whole file. Does it bother you if i tag you to ask stuff?

[noble scarab]

There’s a few of us here then can answer stuff too

[stuck nimbus]

oh fair enough

i thought he was like the main guy yk

[upbeat kiln]

Damn. That's dedication. I think Rai's document is like a billion pages long lol

and there are two of them!

[fallen knoll]

We did it we finally have flames frowers

[fickle sluice]

And guess who's to blame for the return of the inferno ToD

[stuck nimbus]

nvm i thought it was only 50 pages

i mean 400 pages is doable

just not in one day

[granite shard]

yeah there was a surprising amount of narrative content in the game

[stuck nimbus]

wait WHAT DO YOU MEAN 590

https://tenor.com/view/straight-drop-craig-gleason-breaking-bad-hank-hank-schrader-gif-22724781

[real cedar]

You don't have to tag me specifically, any question in the channel will get answered by one of us eventually. Discussions in here are pretty rare so its always nice.

[real cedar]

Even though the AHA is gone some of the logistical systems that they initially created seemed to have survived, probably cause they're still getting paid by the Hunt economy, now financed by the mysterious Backers introduced in Desolation's Wake. Supplies are still bought n sold, extractions are still driven out, the Welders and Witches support returning Hunters with equipment and treatment, etc.
The supply wagons are mostly a gamified thing, the lore doesn't acknowledge them except for Antonia Higuera: Veteran's bio mentioned that they're abandoned.

The other Hunter's Associations haven't been mentioned by name yet, they're inferred to exist based on one blogpost describing the HA as a centuries old secret society. Presumably there are European branches that handle their own paranormal problems that aren't as big as the American Incursions, stuff like witches and Black Shucks and the like. Hex Breaker might've come from such a branch as an individual answering a call, but the EHA if it exists hasn't been supporting the AHA at all.
China also seems to have monasteries where they train Hunters as described in Zhuge Liu's lore, that could be their own version of the Association.

[stuck nimbus]

so they arent related but yet they have a common objective

thats what you're saying?

[real cedar]

yeah, if they share any structure together it hasn't ever been mentioned. Which would make sense, as they're not going to be keeping too much in touch in the 1890s and collaboration would be logistically way too expensive.

[stuck nimbus]

also i noticed many of the pages in your document explain seperate matters within the bayou, do they all add to the main part of the story or is it different "branches"?

[real cedar]

It's often just snapshots of different things that might give an idea of the greater whole but most don't relate to the main story of the AHA splintering, the Pacts forming, and the Backers coming in.

[noble scarab]

pre-event lore was a bit more spread out, post events lore is usually more contained if that makes sense

[real cedar]

Back then every piece of lore was expanding our understanding of the world of Hunt and once the events started that understanding got directed into a central narrative, bouncing off of the death of Philip Huff Jones

[noble scarab]

huff died then we got the moon trilogy and tides

but there was some time fuckery in there

[real cedar]

The time fuckery got mostly solved when they did some revisions to the lore as it got archived online. Huff's death was early Summer 1895, the Moon trilogy followed directly after, then the Tide Trilogy took up the later half of the year.

[granite shard]

What was nice then was the way the book of weapons had an update during the events era it would usually elaborate a little on a story thread that got introduced then

[noble scarab]

im glad they clarified it some when it was put online

[granite shard]

The time fuckery also I think probably happened due to the 1896 plan, like thinking abt the way the hunt auld lang syne dropped around Devil’s moon

I wouldn’t be surprised if the plan was for that event to kick us into 1896 narratively

Since that’s a new years song

That’s just a theory but I think it makes sense

[real cedar]

If they had done that back then we could've been in 1897 by now, things would definitely be different

[noble scarab]

I guess we'd be in either spring or winter 96 now

though if it were winter i'd expect to see colorado look colder, but that may be a engine limit thing

the gulch broke the seasonal map theme we had going on

[granite shard]

One day we’ll get a winter map

I’m not even talking abt snow just winter

[noble scarab]

one day

[granite shard]

Hopefully

[fallen knoll]

It's probably be more ice then snow but hey we might get wendigos if that's true

[analog pendant]

Honestly I do like the SPB version better than any other version of the song lmao

[granite shard]

Same

[spiral mica]

At this point I'll just take a winter map with some snow on the ground, but a snowy weather condition that switches between light snow and heavy blizzard like the rain we have in the game currently would be cool to see too.

[stuck nimbus]

I mean does it snow in louisiana?

Like, irl

[spiral mica]

I think it's snowed once or twice in the past down there, but it snows all the time in Colorado and since we have the gulch in the game now it's possible.

[orchid tangle]

lousiana deffo can get snow but it's not gonna be enough for the type of event condition people have wanted, colorado is the way to go

could write it off as some magic weirdness in the bayou but no reason to jump through hoops when we have colorado

[noble scarab]

i think 1895 had a random historic snow event

https://www.nola.com/news/weather/snow-records-for-new-orleans-baton-rouge-la/article_c6ccbe2c-cce7-11ee-a3ef-b7ce7944ad34.html

[brisk pivot]

I don't really understand the story this season; who are the good guys and who are the bad guys?

[real cedar]

Everyone wants to destroy the murder circus but also dislike each other. The circus storyline has always been super super barebones

[spiral mica]

I smell better narrative on the horizon

[mint wind]

It’s a lil ad break from the main narrative.

[fallen knoll]

Ya let's ignore the horrors to the fact that we're doomed and destroy a circus

[noble scarab]

I mean canonically the world is fine by modern day, all the RN entries are from researchers looking back

[vagrant escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/wreck-it-ralph-zangief-street-fighter-bad-guy-gif-16508047537253209714

[fallen knoll]

I mean the world fine but the hunter💀

[proper olive]

Hey what hunters are dead in the circus event

[young violet]

I just realized that The Garden tarot card is not a card irl after looking through my decks.
Is it supposed to replace a different card?

The High Priestess?

[real cedar]

Assuming it's a one to one conversion (all the other playable card numbers seem to line up with the RWS deck) then yes it would be the High Priestess.
However, previous mentions of tarot cards in the Hunt universe have been a mix of the RWS Tarot, the Incidental Tarot, and now some new Hunt-focused cards like the Garden, which seemingly was made for the Garden of the Witch event. If we were ever to get a full card deck, there would probably be more changes and replacements away from the RWS deck.

[worthy fern]

Is the circus some supernatural force? Like it’s not just a circus sitting in a field somewhere or one Hunter with a lantern could destroy it, it must be able to assemble itself randomly across the bayou etc

[real cedar]

It travels through the land of the dead by (????) to reach new destinations and has the power to (????) (????) which is why nobody has actually destroyed it yet despite there being nobody left but grunts and bears to defend it, nobody to guide it through the land of the dead (which Giggles used to) and no Heliostone around anymore which was seemingly the source of the initial corruption.

All of the Hunters seem very incurious about what they're actually going to do to get rid of the Circus, despite that being their collective core motivation. Maybe the end of event epilogue splash screen will shed a tiny bit of light on this with its two sentences.

[worthy fern]

Maybe they all just don’t know how to destroy it since it seems to rebuild as it moves

I suspect it’ll be burned down

Like big fire, inferno

[real cedar]

In the first Murder Circus, the circus was just a vessel for Giggles and the Clowns who were themselves (mostly Chum) vessels for the Heliostone's will.
Now? The Heliostone is gone, nobody is running the circus, but somehow it persists. I doubt we'll ever get any explanation on the nature of this whole phenomenon.

[proper olive]

Hey rai is there any legendary hunters that are dead besides the clowns in the event

[real cedar]

Just from what I remember:
The Pale Judge (Killed by The Fool), Captain Laffite (Soul burned up in the Land of the Dead), potentially members of The Infernal Pact (ambushed by the Death Pact in Tide of Corruption), and potentially The Skinned (Gar put a Bomb Lance through his ribcage). I put potentially on some as it was done as an aside rather than a core plot point of their specific narratives.

[noble scarab]

The skinned is evidently still kicking based on his new skin

Presumably his alligator club is all still around

[proper olive]

Who is the captain

[real cedar]

Captain Laffite is from the Law of Salvage DLC, and was one of the main characters of the Tide Trilogy. He captained The Delphine which started the whole Tide of Shadows thing, he worked with Mr. Chary (and was killed by him) in Tide of Corruption, and was brought back as part of The Drowned Pact in Tide of Desolation, only to die again permanently at the end of the story.

[proper olive]

Damn

Hey chary still alive after everything

[real cedar]

Kinda? He's in a weird state that might as well be dead, outside random handwaves "somehow Mr. Chary returned" he probably won't be coming back.

[icy brook]

I’m hoping the lore goes back to some state if coherency after this event is up

[proper olive]

Kinda?

[real cedar]

He's no longer a whole flesh and blood human anymore and he's trapped in the land of the dead so in most functional ways he could be considered a ghost or spirit or something. They do say specifically that he's not dead but he might as well be.

[proper olive]

Ah ok so he’s a monster now or a drowned

[noble scarab]

not drowned, those were made by lynch specifically

he kinda turned into a cloud of steam, which he is also afraid of for some reason? regardless he was last described fighting the moon

[proper olive]

Wait what

That’s very confusing

So he’s not alive or dead but trapped in the land of the dead

[split escarp]

Will the infection in Hunt end the world by spreading or is it just in North America right now?

[icy brook]

In the old lore there were clippings from the late 20th century that were basically piecing together the events of Hunt, so something the AHA did must have returned the world to normalcy or at least prevented apocalypse

[split escarp]

Well there goes my concept for Hunt Showdown 1916 😔

[icy brook]

Fiction can be whatever you make of it friend

[noble scarab]

I do think a ww1 setting with hunts themes and designs would go well

[real cedar]

The maps we play on with a little bit extra connecting the bayou ones are the entirety of the corruption. Nobody outside these areas even know it's happening, it's just regular ol 1896 for the rest of the world.

[split escarp]

Instead of a bayou it’s trenches, it could work since they both have a lot of mud

[split escarp]

Just Buster Scruggs and the Chinese exclusion act

[craggy oyster]

Does anybody knows what the GM stands for?

[real cedar]

Usually it stands for good morning 🙂
What Hunter is that?

Ah it's the Kid

Hm there's not anything clear in his backstory that it could stand for, his family's last name is Turner so it wouldn't be that

@orchid tangle Is there anything in Blood Meridian that relates to The Kid and 'GM'? His hand getting injured in the barfight is half-referenced with Hunt's Kid between the handkerchief and the DLC trailer being in a bar.

The model artist for The Kid is Yukov Pavel so it's not a maker's mark either 🤔 I've got no clue what it could mean

[craggy oyster]

Thank you anyway

[analog pendant]

Wake up punch🤔

[orchid tangle]

not that I can remember

if you wanna grasp at straws they could be taking it from toadvine having HT carved on himself

[ashen helm]

Any deep skull taker lore or recent relevance?

[real cedar]

The one deep part of the lore relevant to Skull Taker is that some or all Hunters keep a syringe of the Inoculation on their person. That was not previously known.
I believe the symbol on his skull is also a norse runic compas but idk which one.
Beyond those, he's never been relevant or had any appearances in the lore beyond his DLC story.

[real dove]

It is the Helm of Awe iurc

Iirc

Unless they hunt-ified it

I never looked close at it. But he has a lot of norse nods

[real cedar]

Looks like the Vegvisir instead, the helm of awe is uniform.

I also never looked closely enough before this

[spiral mica]

Yeah, it's the Vegvisir minus the outer rune circle.

[strange bane]

I have a theory….. a game theory

I don’t know either. Always wondered what the GM stood for. Reckon it’s proper unsolved!

[real dove]

Yeah! Thanks I also never looked closely 😅

Ashamed of myself, I love Norse mythology stuff.

[split escarp]

Have we figured out the sculptor’s identity or no?

[real cedar]

There was a previous incarnation of the lore that didn't make it to canon where the Sculptor had more of an identity but as it stands now, the Sculptor is the Sculptor rather than anything else.

[split escarp]

My primary source for lore was HazmatFTW’s videos, so I thought the sculptor was Beelzebub for a long time

[real cedar]

I'm sure there's Hunters that believe that, most know nothing about it and insert their own beliefs to make sense of the Corruption

[split escarp]

Also, do the bosses respawn in the lore or lore wise is it all different bosses that are being killed?

[real cedar]

Bosses do respawn/are rebuilt by the Sculptor, yes. There can only be one alive at a time however, unlike hives/immolators/meatheads/brutes/doctor grunts/hellhounds which are all copies of a singular entity that underwent corruption or otherwise became paranormal (in the case of the immolator who may not necessarily be created by the Sculptor originally but instead adopted by it after paranormal spontaneous combustion - just a theory). Other Grunts, Armored, and now Bileweavers are a slight exception to this respawn idea. While they probably are rebuilt regularly and we don't notice cause they don't have unique enough identities, grunts and armoreds are the result of usual corruption on random people, and bileweavers are the first corrupted entity with the ability to procreate. Water Devils are the one unknown, it's unclear if they have a singular origin and are rebuilt regularly or if the corruption specifically affects a local species to the point they're all teeming the waters.

[split escarp]

So did the infection just go away for a while or maybe it’s in hiding in modern day?

[spiral mica]

Was this previous incarnation of the lore the same writing that introduced whatever those dragon things were into the narrative? Or were you just referring to the old event story focused narrative?

[real cedar]

According to the Modern Researcher looking back on these events, the Sculptor was eventually defeated or repelled somehow, and its Incursions have not been a present issue. Other kinds of Corruption like the Chinese spirit Nian may still be happening, but apparently nothing like the Louisiana Incident occurs in the modern day to this researcher's knowledge.

RN: While it did come to an end (though if you believe the pessimists and conspiracists it's still going on) the costs were grossly magnified, to an unbelievable amount. What I would give to go back, have the resources we once did, and do the affair over again!

[split escarp]

I did have an idea for Hunt Showdown 1916, but instead of the Louisiana bayou it’s the trenches and ruined villages of Europe

[real cedar]

It was an idea that ultimately was disposed of before it could get to print. It might've been present at the time of the first loredrops in early access but it wasn't able to have an impact on anything, except perhaps some imagery in the game such as the cicada and moth. HazmatFTW has a video explaining this first idea, the Sculptor's origin as an African Adze:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SHmnxIo1aU

[spiral mica]

You're definitely not the first person who has brought up the idea of a Hunt Showdown setting in ww1, but a strong part of Hunt Showdown's identity is the gilded age setting it has. Anything with a setting past the year 1899 ultimately loses that.

[split escarp]

You could still have a gilded age kind of thing in 1916, it was the age of industrial production and beginning of the modern age

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I remember watching his video on it. The idea behind the dragons actually seemed intriguing to me especially with the whole insect imagery.

[split escarp]

Dragons that look like bugs would be tight af

[spiral mica]

Gilded age was 1870-1900. By the year 1916 some countries have completely industrialized. Some like Japan and Russia industrialized seemingly over night because of political revolution and economic changes.

[real cedar]

The gilded age is a pretty specific time period with specific themes in America's history, similar to France's Belle Époque. Once we get to WW1, those themes change. The prosperity hiding corruption underneath, the hopeful transitional nature of the world at the time, those both go away with WW1. That age is instead marked by themes of industrial scale tragedy and the upheaval of the old world.

[spiral mica]

I'm not suggesting it wouldn't be cool to see and explore, or that it wouldn't make a good game, but the it would indeed vastly differ from the Hunt Showdown we have right now.

But Rai said it best. A lot of those themes present go away and change once we reach past the year 1900.

[split escarp]

Well it doesn’t necessarily have to be gilded age themes, the upheaval of the old world and the industry of war hiding a much deeper rot and corruption underneath. Unholy abominations being covered up by the fog of war and the birth of a new age of machines and impossibilities being marked by the rise of a twisted artist who uses despair as its brush and humanity as its canvas

[spiral mica]

Hunters wouldn't look like cowboys or have a gothic-occult theme. Instead they'd be more uniformal and militarized considering the intended setting would be Europe 1916 during one of the most grueling conflicts in human history.

[split escarp]

I imagine the soldiers would stay where they are, and keep with the bounty hunters but they just have more modern equipment

[real cedar]

Much of the game's core mechanics are entwined with the gilded age theme. The Sculptor's corruption mirroring the corruption of the age, the bounties drawing desperate people in for prosperous paydays, the last gasp of frontier individualism before the war brings more social unification, the southern gothic setting being a reflection of the antebellum south.
If they wanted to make a proper Hunt: 1916, they'd have to make the setting and mechanics match it, rather than graft 1896 onto it. It would likely include larger teams of players, perhaps different progression/economy, and who knows what else. Perhaps it would be two larger teams fighting for the bounty (would it even be called bounty?) because it grants military power rather than money.

[split escarp]

I never thought for a second it would have the exact same mechanics or anything, I just thought it would be cool to see 1916 in some way

[real cedar]

For sure

[split escarp]

Who do we have to harass to get Crytek to get someone to write a Hunt Showdown book series, I need more character lore

[real cedar]

Probably the higher ups in charge of budget and maybe one of the former writing teams that don't work there anymore that had a strong grasp of the literary themes of the game.

[split escarp]

I really want some more lore on the AHA, I think it would be cool to see how the legendary hunters interact with each other

[granite shard]

you can see a fair amount of how the legendaries interact with each other if you go back through the events, especially the tides trilogy

[split escarp]

Are these archived somewhere? Like on the website or somewhere else?

[granite shard]

the tides trilogy is now yeah, you can see the moon trilogy in rai's compendium

https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore/tagged/events

[split escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-float-sunken-place-gif-10443926

Grunt pov

(Iykyk)

[sacred bay]

Been reading as much of the lore as I could find

The Meathead origin story was wild

That wouldn't have been outta place in a Warhammer novel

[granite shard]

yeah it's pretty crazy

[sacred bay]

It's pretty solid short form horror writing though

[proper olive]

Hey I need help figuring out something

[real cedar]

What's up?

[proper olive]

So Mr chary alive and dead sense he’s in the land of the dead so can he come back as a boss or no

[granite shard]

more likely to come back as a person than as a boss

[proper olive]

Ah

The lore is very confusing sometimes

[stuck nimbus]

so uh, maybe this info is too specific but, who the hell pays for the bounties of the monsters? if the AHA is down, who the hell pays for it?

do they do something with the energy of the bounty? or is it just to keep the mosnters at bay?

[real cedar]

"The Backers" pay for bounties directly to Hunters now, since the intermediary AHA that was previously delivering tokens is gone. They collect the bounty tokens in barrels and perform occult rituals and experiments with them, or just hoard them in caches.
The Backers are a cabal of rich, powerful, and secretive people with unknown goals but so far it just seems to be greed and discovery that fuel them.

[stuck nimbus]

i mean just the fact that they have so much interest in the tokens that means they are probably figuring something powerful out

or just wasting money

who knows

imagine if tokens could power up electronic stuff, that would be one hell of a booming business

[real cedar]

They're described in Tide of Desolation Chapter 4, Desolation's Wake, and Scorched Earth.
The Statesman describes them:

He said they were a council of rich folks playing poker with Bounty Tokens, dabbling in the occult. Well, not just the occult—our occult.
Then Sheriff Hardin similarly describes:
I heard they beat Death at poker and got all the secrets of the world in their pockets."

[stuck nimbus]

so its just like a toy for them, they dont take it seriously

a currency lets say

[real cedar]

So far, we've seen that their information led to advancements in Darksight (Poltergeist for instance probably came from them, along with other more physical psychic uses when before Darksight was purely sight-based and health-based) their experiments created the Hellborn through repeated tests in an attempt to conjure more oil to flow, and their more party-like rituals summoned something that cuts people in half (the whole party died) and rampaged through Mammon's Gulch for a short period, though we never really learned what that was.

[stuck nimbus]

I assume all this info is in the google doc aswell right?🤔

In a less direct way probably

[real cedar]

More or less, I'm describing info from Desolation's Wake and Scorched Earth event stories

And then theorizing based on this one line:

He proposed a trade. Information for his life. Locations of more Bounty Token graveyards. Industry barons obsessed with the Sculptor. New Inoculations. Magics deeper than Dark Sight. “Old eyes" awakening in forgotten parts of the world.

[stuck nimbus]

Yeah i'd rather listen your simplified version😭

[stuck nimbus]

Ohh

[proper olive]

Wait the aha is done?

[stuck nimbus]

Yup

[real cedar]

A big problem is that this storyline is basically dead and all the things we've seen in the last two years more or less don't relate to what Scorched Earth set up

[proper olive]

Never knew and how

[real cedar]

The faction infighting started with Philip Huff Jones, Sheriff Hardin, The Reverend, The Night Seer, and The Bone Doctor, then after Huff died Mr. Chary stepped in which formed even more pacts and more infighting. The last standing authority in the AHA besides Chary - Finch - announced that there was no way to keep the AHA intact during Devil's Moon. Subsequently he died in Tide of Corruption and Mr. Chary's plans were foiled, leaving absolutely nobody left to re-organize the AHA into a real organization anymore. All that was left was the pacts.

That's why The Backers stepped in, using The Statesman as their proxy to keep payments flowing for bounties

[stuck nimbus]

Makes sense, usually some greedy mf steps in to make money

Another question, is the game stuck in 1896? Like, the years dont go on right?

Is it a loop of the same hunts?

[real cedar]

Time does occasionally progress, like Tide of Corruption moved time forward to late Fall 1895 and then Desolation's Wake almost hinted that they were in early 1896 before Scorched Earth properly confirmed we were in Summer 1896.
Since then, time has frozen and the story has not progressed at all, each of these side story events are dateless and presumed to have happened at some point that makes sense. A similar thing happened from 2019-2023 where we trapped in the eternal summer of 1895.

[stuck nimbus]

i mean fair enough, otherwise the game would be at around ww1 by now and that would kill the whole "1890's" thing of the game

[real cedar]

Yeah, I think they've been intentionally avoiding putting dates on things lately cause they don't want to create structure to things currently.
Back before the 1896 update, it seemed like they were more confident in a timeline of events, and some theorize that Devil's Moon was even supposed to be the event that moved us to 1896 since it had that Auld Lang Syne song related to it. Perhaps at some point during making that event they realized they could make the turning of the year into a serious update of its own rather than a capstone to a normal event. If that happened, that'd also explain why the timeline looped on top of itself, where Tide of Shadows appeared to be happening at the same time as the Moon trilogy.

[stuck nimbus]

yeah, i mean they can still drag it for another 4 years in my opinion without ruining it

to 1900

[real cedar]

1899 is probably the last year that'd they be comfortable with. The turn of the century comes with some symbolic significance, especially in advertising, people feel that it's now a 20th century game rather than 19th century.

Like wouldn't it be weird for Red Dead 2 to be set in 1900?

Yet 1899 works

[stuck nimbus]

mhm true

anyways thanks a lot for all the info

[real cedar]

No prob

[proper olive]

Uhhhhh….

[real cedar]

It's definitely a lot condensing 4+ years of various lore bits into a paragraph