lore-discussion

[spiral mica]

I'm assuming bone mason would be last rites because of her relationship with Reaper and obviously thirteenth mate would be unquiet dead because he's drowned.

Oh and both of the Corvids are missing. Odd.

Lilith is present, but not Silver Spur despite his affiliation with her.

[remote dust]

Probably because Lilith is THE hunter people are trying out right now

[granite shard]

Thirteenth mate is missing bc he’s a BP hunter

Since these are ultimately trying to get people to buy BB/DLC hunters, putting locked event hunters doesn’t make too much sense

[strange bane]

Ah that tracks

Was wondering the same thing essentially lol

Good thing The Infected never had a run in with the Corvids…at least to my knowledge. Would be interesting but can’t imagine it being without some serious friction

Death Mask being the prime example of that

[kind siren]

I find both of the corvids missing weird too especially if you read death masks knifes description, makes me wander if death mask went through with killing them

[granite shard]

The corvids probably just don’t care abt this conflict tbh

They’re more mad scientists than anything

[strange bane]

Yep , I love their designs

Hex Breaker as well

His concept art actually reveals more of his face than his in game model

[granite shard]

I think silver spur is probably in a similar situation to the corvids where even tho someone he’s tied to (Lilith) is involved, it doesn’t really impact him so he’s not getting involved

[noble scarab]

hes for sure not just van helsing

nope, totally original hunter

https://tenor.com/view/van-helsing-sign-of-the-cross-jose-norono-gif-17901586322104039623

[strange bane]

Yes indeed

I enjoy playing him regardless

[noble scarab]

i joke, i enjoy both versions of van helsings and im glad we have one

i was curious about the guns he used and i looked to see if there was a hunt equivalent

theyre double action, and per google, roughly based on a Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver.

i dont think we have a direct comparison, i guess the nagant officer is closest in function

looks wise a lemat would work, or maybe a scotfield

theyre a bit chonky for nagants

[analog pendant]

Are we think ing that baggie (death mask)’s gear is gonna be sticking post event? Been wanting the knife skin but haven’t gotten around to buying it since it ain’t like a life or death sit with me

I figured yes bc someone like giggles is still around post circus

[noble scarab]

i think so

[analog pendant]

Fingers crossed, tibby

Fingers crossed

[strange bane]

Fate’s Feather is real easy on the eyes

What a work of art

[remote dust]

I feel like they'd be closer to a modified Scottfield

The frame and I believe top break

Oh

OH THEY ARE NOT GOOD

This would not be a good gun for your fingers

[loud steeple]

Wtf is that

Where does it break open

[remote dust]

That's the Van Helsing revolver

In the original image I saw the big screw at the front of the frame and assumed it was for the break action

And I think that's still the case

But this gun is fundamentally unsafe

The cylinder being that far back means that when the gun fires, whatever gas leaks out of the gap between the cylinder and the forcing cone will be directed at the shooter's fingers

[loud steeple]

Yeah you’re gonna get some cylinder flash

[remote dust]

Which would shred the hand

[noble scarab]

It loads from a side gate

Left hand side i believe

[loud steeple]

Then why is there a hinge pin

[noble scarab]

I wish I knew

Movie magic moment

Or movie makers don’t know how guns work

Especially in 2004

[remote dust]

It's the a fantasy movie

Also

[noble scarab]

This is also supposed to be some kind of heavily customized monster hunter gun, it may have started life as a Schofield

[remote dust]

A Webley would be awesome in-game

Like a standard Webley DA

We have some European guns already

That or a Colt Lightning

[noble scarab]

Isn’t the marathon the lightning?

[remote dust]

Call it the Caldwell Thunderbolt or something similar

[remote dust]

Oh I mean the Double Action revolver Colt made in the late 1870s

[noble scarab]

Oh I see

[remote dust]

Their 1877 model

[noble scarab]

That could be a medium ammo

Dunno if it’d be balanced

Maybe a slowish fire rate and a poor accuracy at range

[remote dust]

I recall them having flaws so that's possible

They had delicate interior workings

But that is not something that can be easily translated to the game

[noble scarab]

If you hit a zombie with this gun you have to spend 30 seconds fiddling with the trigger to get it work again

[remote dust]

Yeah lmao

[noble scarab]

A wear or misfire mechanic on one of the scarce weapons might be fun

[remote dust]

I wish we had a Trueshot with a stock

[remote dust]

Better yet

[noble scarab]

Put it on something janky like a bomb lance type thing

[remote dust]

It zaps the user after every emptied cylinder with electricity

A literal Colt Lightning

[noble scarab]

Like that shotgun in Bioshock 2

[remote dust]

I think I suggested it before but a serious and useful revolver would be the Merwin-Hulbert model

So

Looks almost like a funky Scottfield right?

The whole barrel assembly rotates and slides forward, just enough to where empty casings slide out but loaded ones stay in place

It would be excellent for topping off

And because of how the barrel came off it could easily be converted to shorter or longer barrels when the need arose

[noble scarab]

It’s certainly unique

[remote dust]

And these "pocket" models had a sharp protrusion from the grip like the Pax Claw does, like this one

[noble scarab]

They made some small ones too

[remote dust]

Of course! Pocket revolver! TOOL SLOT

[rotund ferry]

Are hunters immortal in lore ?

[granite shard]

Only Kevin, but it’s rare to see them actually stay dead

[rotund ferry]

which is Kevin ?

[granite shard]

The false saint

BP hunter from Devil’s moon

[rotund ferry]

right, but then are the hunters who are "dead" canon or not ? like the revenant, the drowned kid/rat and Death Mask ?

[real cedar]

Yeah, those instances of coming back from death are canon

[granite shard]

Death mask I think is weird since he was a grunt as opposed to being dead dead

But kid/rat/captain lafitte/thirteenth mate/revenant were all dead dead and resurrected

[real cedar]

It's not something the average Hunter can do though, each of them has a specific story behind cheating death

[rotund ferry]

i see that on some of them, mentioning the Night Speaker, The Sculptor and all that, but i cant find any info about who they are either

[real cedar]

The Sculptor is the big bad eldritch entity that is the source of the Corruption, we don't know what it looks like or what its motives (if any) are exactly.
The Night Speaker has a similar name to those in the Night of the Hunter cult (Night Seer and Night Acolyte) but hasn't been mentioned outside of the Revenant blurb.

🤔 Though, The Night Mother is part of Doctor John's group so who's to say who the Night Speaker really is

[rotund ferry]

so just dead ends as far as lore in considered at the moment ?

[granite shard]

Night speaker was probably originally meant to be part of the night of the hunter but yeah things could change

[rotund ferry]

I hope so, i picked up this game earlier this month and was just dissapointed to find most of the lore is just gone

[granite shard]

Revenant was infernal pact in Devil’s moon so my guess is night of the hunter

[real cedar]

There's a LOT of dead ends in the lore, yeah. We're currently on a hiatus as far as story goes.

[rotund ferry]

thats a shame x-x

[granite shard]

Yeah it’s really unfortunate. The website has most of it officially logged, and rai’s compendium has all of it

We’re kinda in a holding pattern to see if it actually gets brought back

This past year has been. kinda a big oof lol

[rotund ferry]

thats a shame, the whole thing looked amazing from an outsiders view

[granite shard]

Yeah

[real cedar]

It really must be rough getting into the lore lately. I got hardcore into it around Desolation's Wake where it felt like the whole world was opening up and things were kinetic, all leading somewhere, everything in the past was getting connected so learning it all had meaning.
How many people are going to read through 250+ pages of lore when the current feeling is that everything in the past led to the current grand pause and side stories?

[rotund ferry]

ive been trying to piece things together off what ive seen in game and learnt through descriptions, but yea its not exactly as linear as i imagine it once was

[granite shard]

It’s never been super linear

But there had been a general story thread going

[rotund ferry]

yea thats what i mean ^^

[granite shard]

Unfortunately the last time there was a story thread through multiple DLCs and stuff was fucking post malone’s murder circus

Which ended up just ruining a ton of DLCs for me lmao

[rotund ferry]

Like, purely from a person who has less then 100 hours, and only started playing this month. It feels like there is a boatload of super cool ideas and themes and things, but they have just been haphazardly placed in a melting pot together with little connecting them

[granite shard]

In a total misunderstanding of the lore community they decided that they super needed to justify post malone’s inclusion by making thirty million characters connected to him

Bc him being disconnected is totally what people would have had issues with lmfao

Idk it’s over at least

[real cedar]

The core story is pretty interesting as you get into it, but yeah a lot of the hunters and weapon skin descriptions are more filling out the periphery

We are still getting tiny bits of cool ass lore, like the Brute and Bileweaver stories are giving us more information on the Sculptor and the potential evolution of the Corruption

[rotund ferry]

im looking at the brute one now, favorite so far has been the spiders lore though

on another note, is the corruption only in the bayou ? has it spread outwards from Louisiana or is it just all contained there through some means ?

[granite shard]

It’s in Colorado now

[real cedar]

It's contained by Hunters within the Bayou of Louisiana and the Gulch in Colorado. There's small mentions of pockets of corruption popping up in other areas like a few grunts in New York, but the former two locations are the only 'Incursions'.

[rotund ferry]

ah okay, hope this means well get some more diverse maps that arent just swamps and cliffs.

[real cedar]

The next map is still a couple years down the line but the two things we've heard about it from one of the game directors (though they're only personal wishes of his) is that it takes less than 3 years for the next map to come out, and that the new location is somewhere colder.

[rotund ferry]

Thats good, something to look forward too then

[real cedar]

That could be a colder area of Colorado, or perhaps Washington/Oregon, or even the gold rush in Alaska

[remote dust]

Yeah baby we're getting a prospector hunter

[noble scarab]

Alaska would be fun

Something coastal

Dark and cold

Some of our hunters would finally be dressed for the weather

[analog pendant]

Then there’s Monroe and Cain 💀

[noble scarab]

Monroe has clothes on

Cain and luz mala gonna be cold

[analog pendant]

I mean ain’t he barefoot? Is my point of AP

Lmao*

[noble scarab]

is he? i know cain is

no hes got shoes on

just checked, theyre not great shoes

but shoes none the less

[real cedar]

Tib the feet police

[noble scarab]

lore accurate feet

feet aside, we have surpsingly few hunters that are wearing less clothes

cain, harvest: day, lulu, redneck, teche wraith, cowl, penitent, sea wolf, luz mala

some of the tier 1s

the ones i listed are either shirtless or are wearing just a thin layer

lulus got her jacket over a set of long johns, and id guess some of the lady hunters wearing the ornate dresses might also not be too comfortable in the cold

unrelated but id like to see a hunter wearing oilskins

[remote dust]

The constant darkness would be the perfect state for vampires

[haughty haven]

do we know who the player entity is in-world? The one hiring and equipping all these hunters in the menu, not just the hunters themselves?

[real cedar]

In the earliest version of the lore the player would take the role of the AHA I suppose. Recruitment, mission selection, and payout are covered by the Assassin mastery and 'From the Journals of Elwood Finch'.
Nowadays it's less connected.

[remote dust]

It's a spirit that randomly possesses them

[fickle sluice]

Please allow me to rant a little: I feel like we (well, Crytek) are heading straight towards what I call the "Dungeon Master Fallacy". I'll explain. Dungeon Masters (the RPG kind, not the kinky kind) of all shapes, forms and systems tend to confuse the lore of their world with the story of the game. World building is fun and can be very rewarding. But the lore is not what players are coming to the table for. The players are sitting at the table to experience a story. In the case of a ttrpg specifically their story.
Most people who read the Lord of the Rings do not read the Silmarillion or any other supplemental stuff Tolkien wrote. The Silmarillion is lore. The Lord of the Rings is drama. People don't need to understand why Elrond talks about the Battle of the last Alliance as if it were a mere shadow of the Siege of Thangorodrim. They just need to feel like Elrond is old. Old as heck. And that there are layers upon layers of history. If they want to dig into it: great. Otherwise they can just keep reading.
Now, it's unfair to hold anyone to the world building level of Tolkien. However, the writing team of Hunt is doing one hell of a job and I love them for it. But what we're getting with DLCs and item descriptions, even what we got with the Bileweavers, is lore. And lore is only sexy for weirdos like us who sit here and discuss the deeper meaning of shadow gators that crawled into an egg that one time.
Desolation's Wake (to name one example) is drama. And Drama is something you can hook people on. Drama is something that progresses a story. I firmly believe that we'd be better off with good, short stories with good Drama (as in the mode of fiction, not what happens on the internet). Don't get me wrong. I like the lore. But lore is a lot less likely to get players to care for the story of Hunt. And when more players care for the lore, we might get more. Since I don't have Nitro and I got the important stuff off my chest: Thx, rant over.

[noble scarab]

Part of that is just the lore is ded

It might come back, it might not

We get piecemeal bits here and there, like the bile weavers, or the bear

But overarching event narratives are no longer used for the time being

The community events help, but they’re not really put in a place where most folks are aware of them

Really they should have a tracker for them on the battlepass page or somewhere in the UI

[mortal sleet]

i wonder if the journal of when the game first came out is still relevant

[fickle sluice]

If they do Audiofiles again, they should just play when you unlock them alongside some other reward. I'd bet that people actually listen to them if they pop up. You'd have to provide a skip button, sure. But I bet some would be intrigued

[noble scarab]

The Louisiana case file is no longer canon, at best it’s like a b canon that’s fine unless something contradicts it

[real cedar]

Some of it isn't canon anymore (Pellella note, German Letter), some of it got followed up on well enough (Victor Caldwell, Lynch, the Sinners to a degree), and the remainder got left behind, like mentions of the True Deck, Don Alessandro Guardini, and Madam Laveau. Laveau wasn't expanded on because they moved away from irl people being characters in the narrative.

[mortal sleet]

i really want to know more about abdullah's character ngl

[fickle sluice]

moving away from irl people was a good choice in my book

[upbeat kiln]

That has actually made me a bit sad. It was cool to hear people like @earnest jungle gather and interpret details on the basis of real life events and people, which we could then tie into the lore. It also added a layer of believability or realism within the stories. Just as an example, there was so much information I could gather about the story of Vincent, the Assassin, just on the basis that it tied into real life events.

[granite shard]

I agree with sloth in that moving away from real people was a smart choice

Like especially in the American south at the time, there’s just a potential for too much of a mess

Gestures vaguely at the entirety of huff

[fickle sluice]

Okay, I understand that argument. However, tying these stories into real events is imho risky to begin with, as @granite shard says. And as soon as you approach people, you need to tread very lightly, to make sure that even if you make a misstep, the whole thing doesn't go up in flames

[granite shard]

You take a hit in the realism department a bit but you also don’t run the risk of glorifying people who did or believed horrible things irl

[real cedar]

I think the main counterargument to all of that is Huff himself. It's been 7 years that people have known about his bad history and the whole thing didn't go up in flames, it's just something mentioned here and there.

[granite shard]

But also they kinda stopped doing stuff w rl people after wrapping him up

Like huff wasn’t glorified but also his villainy never really touched on the bad stuff abt the actual rl guy

Idk I think it’s a complicated thing and just for the better that they pivoted away from that style of character

[fickle sluice]

I'm with smalls on this one.

[earnest jungle]

I’ll be honest the history minor in me dos misses the historical-fiction elements in the older versions of the game

But we still get the occasional nod here and there which is nice

[fickle sluice]

I get that. But I'd rather have them tie the game's events to some irl events instead of people.

[remote dust]

I think both can work it just depends on what you do with historical figures

[remote dust]

I do want to know

Who are the Backers mentioned to be who the Lawful Pact work for?

[real cedar]

Isn't that the question of the year

We know Wyatt Preston was a backer, and he was a rich oil baron. They've said the other backers are similarly rich and influential, but there's not much detail on who they are beyond that.

[remote dust]

Ah-hah

So one of them could've been Leviticus Cornwall

That actually makes some sense though

The "lawman" faction having upper class backing

[noble scarab]

the empress is likely a backer, or related

plus the statesman

[remote dust]

RIP, gone too soon

[frozen drift]

Iss there any lore reason as to why jesse buchanan and antonia higuera are part of the unqiuet dead team?

[real cedar]

Nope, free hunters are put in just so players who don't have any skins can still participate.
It really is just a community event, unless it gets referenced later it can be treated like it never happened in the grand story of Hunt.

[frozen drift]

shame. I would've liked a lore reason for why they put those particular free hunters in it.

[clear mortar]

They really should add a Jonah Hex style hunter and more

[verbal escarp]

Guys will the old non legendary hunters that u see in the loading screen ever come back? In lore I think they are a faction.

[orchid tangle]

iirc they haven't really decided how many they're gonna add back

And some hunters seen on the menu and screens just never were playable tbh

[verbal escarp]

Damn I really hope they to re add them. True some weren’t playable but the majority was. Like those ones with the cowboy hats reloading the shotgun.

I have some saved in my hunter list but it’s a small amount

Lorewise think they were part of some hunting party.

[noble scarab]

They were just normal hunters

Likely all AHA members of varying tier and quality

[remote dust]

I kind of content myself with Otis filling the niche

But I do think it would be cool if they did have someone like that

[frigid needle]

Could someone send me the table with the carakters for decyfering?

[real cedar]

Here's the Hunt Voynich ones, and this link has other versions of Voynich that sometimes get used:
https://www.voynich.nu/transcr.html

[candid fulcrum]

Quick Question are the Birds Crows or Ravens or was it never explained in the lore ?

[real cedar]

They're both crows and ravens depending on who's looking at them.
When Crytek wants you to kill a million of them? They're crows.
When you want to scare them with Poltergeist? They're ravens.

I do think they've said crows more times than ravens so I'd have to guess that the poltergeist UI was just an error

[noble scarab]

I don’t think Louisiana gets ravens

[spiral mica]

They're likely crows considering all the rotting dead corpses currently festering in the Bayou and mountains.

[remote dust]

It does wdym

/j

[orchid tangle]

they used to say ravens in old loading screen tips too

I honestly just think they didn't give a fuck and it was never important enough for people to care so they just got used interchangeably by whoever was working on something

[tall vigil]

Hey, dumb question. I’ve been going through lore entries on the wiki.gg, but is there somewhere that’s compiled the Library in chronological order? The wiki has it in alphabetical.

[real cedar]

The lore page on wiki.gg is close to chronological, assuming you mean when it was released irl.
The Louisiana Case File came first, then the Book of Monsters, then the Book of Weapons, with the online blogs and events kept separate. Within each section, the stories are compiled more or less in chronological order based on the release date of the weapons, event stories, or online stories. The book of monsters is categorized that way because that's how it was ordered back when it was in the game, the boss targets in alphabetical order then the normal monsters, then the swarm monsters

[tall vigil]

I mean more so in-universe-chronological, like if the Assassin appeared before the Butcher, then the Assassin’s entry would come before the Butcher’s.

I’m more so just trying to get a clear timeline of events. I know everything in-game takes place within 1895–1896, but if there were any inklings or whatnot that happened before the main crux of the game, I’d like to read those first.

[real cedar]

Oh yeah I can help with that. In the pinned messages of this channel, the Secondary Hunt Compendium has a timeline of events at the very back of it. It only lists moments with confirmed or reasonably assumed dates, so you can't use it to read all the lore, but it gives a good sense of how events progressed, though the lore since the 1896 update has been frozen in time, no dates mentioned and no progression.

[tall vigil]

That sounds perfect actually, thank you! I’ll give it a look.

[fickle sluice]

Also, there are plenty of people who don't know the difference. I honestly struggle myself if I see one in the wild. Could easily be an honest mistake that never got corrected

[noble scarab]

Plus ravens are much much larger than a crow

[clear mortar]

So is there any reason for why Sofia has like swapped teams in the new community event?

[granite shard]

Probably since she had some sort of connection w the drowned. At the end of desolation’s wake it’s mentioned that she had shaken hands and stuff w them when they were agreeing to keep watch over the bayou

[real dove]

Also her sister

Seems like having her sis be on team death shed wanna swap

[granite shard]

Tbf I feel like Antonia is probably following Sofia here more than the other way around

[real dove]

Where is the lore when they meet each other

Crytek I need sister reunion

Spiderman meme when

[granite shard]

On a meta level it’s due to Antonia being new and them wanting to put both of the new dlc hunters on different teams

So Sofia’s gonna be tied to whatever Antonia’s tied to for that connection

But yeah I think the lore justification would straight up be Sofia’s friends w the drowned

[clear mortar]

So is it only Sofia thats had a change of heart towards the drowned pact ?

[fickle sluice]

I wouldn't read too much into this as of right now.

[granite shard]

Honestly it feels like the others had a change of heart more than anything

And yeah this I think is more marketing than actual lore but we take what we can get lmao

But the death pact had been working alongside the drowned for other stuff and hadn’t been hostile during DW so shrug emoji

[spiral mica]

Wasn't Sofia also the one beefing with Worm bite in tide of desolation? Or was it desolation's wake I can't remember.

[granite shard]

Not really beefing with him

He had kinda lost it after the land of the dead stuff and was kinda saying/doing a lot of crazy shit and that was what prompted her to start looking into stuff in desolation’s wake

[real cedar]

New lore let's gooooo

[spiral mica]

Makes sense. I mean considering everything they've seen already I'd probably be a little crazy and skeptical at times too. In retrospect being a hunter must actually really suck.

Oh and another thing I thought was kind of funny about this schism between the death pact is the fact that the last rites consist of members like Reverend, Penitent, Hail Mary, and Worm bite, but it also consists of Lilith who apparently actively prays to the devil. I wonder how her new Christian colleagues feel about her choice of worship lol

[real cedar]

We didn't get too much new info from the lore, but it's interesting that it was a betrayal by The Empress' hunting partners. I wonder what caused them to kidnap and ritually gut her?

The blurb from the unlocked Blessed Fang skin. Interesting to see that it's not Mythic, I was under the impression it might be when the community event said 'Exclusive' while none of the other rewards did.

There's a view of Forked River Fishery visible in the reflection of the plunger's gem 🤔

It's also visible on the small gem on the side

[tall lava]

Makes me curious if it's using a random cube map or if it's just the cube map that is defaulted to in the menu while ingame it swaps depending on your location

[real cedar]

I was thinking something similar, but of the few skins from this event I've checked, I have not seen any visible locations in reflective materials, just light.

The spyglass has the vague shape and two points of light, so it might just be that most other reflections have so much smear on them that it normally obscures the detail of the default reflection.

[spiral mica]

Oh so these rewards aren't just additional lore entries on the website, but also actual in-game skins?

[real cedar]

Yeah, along with some hunt dollars and tarot cards

[spiral mica]

Do they appear automatically in our inventory when we log in like with twitch drops or no?

[real cedar]

Nope, it's redeem codes, #🕸️bloodshed-bileweavers🕸️ has them

[spiral mica]

What's the expiration time on these codes?

Before or after the event ends?

[real cedar]

November 3rd

[spiral mica]

Good to know

Thanks

[clear mortar]

I didn't know there was worm bite lore
He's my go to hunter

[granite shard]

Yeah he was present in tide of corruption, tide of desolation, and desolation’s wake!

[noble scarab]

Aren’t the drowned a bit more human now that they’re free from whatever bound them to lynch?

There’s probably a big divided amongst the undead hunters, with some having never died and some having been brought back different ways

I can’t recall a POV from someone dead beyond the drowned

I guess what I’m getting at is depending on the death pact member there should be some discernment

[gilded umbra]

I remember seeing Thirteenth Mate for the first time in that trailer. The way he moved and stretched was epic.

https://youtu.be/SoUas0Pu9Io?si=1gh-zz6PDMxm48Oo

[strange bane]

The Drowned are a gift to the lore enjoyers honestly

And general Zombie enthusiasts

I remember having an oh shit moment when I saw them all in that trailer, was like “Is that the Kid? He’s alive? Mah boah!!!”

Lmao

Thirteenth Mate , The Captain, Drowned Rat, all such incredibly cool and subtly creepy designs

[tall vigil]

It’s interesting to think of the Land of the Dead as a swamp, haunted by lightning and gators and the ever-watchful moon.

A place you don’t come back from like a door, but somewhere you have to crawl out of, dig out of, through muck and slime and putrefaction.

I wonder if it’s the Land of the Dead, where everyone ends up, or if it’s only those who die in water.

And again, funny then to think it would be a swamp, and not an ocean. Maybe a swamp is thematically closer to whatever Earth’s primordial oceans may have been like—sludgy and murky and teeming with life.

[granite shard]

it's different in different regions

sofia wonders about death in the desert in the DW epilogue!

[tall vigil]

Oh, joy. Damnation has variety to it.

[real cedar]

I think it's just a name that Hunters attached to the place. The lore doesn't seem to imply that it's the afterlife, more like the other side of the rift in the world that the Sculptor created and or/uses

[tall vigil]

That makes more sense, that it’s pulling people into the Sculptor’s world, rather than like the actual afterlife.

Y’reckon that’s its own world, or the world it likes? It would go some way to explain the insect motif.

Hey, question; I’ve been reading through lore pages on the Wiki, and the first entry of every monster I’ve read so far is some guy going “Wow, this is some wacky stuff that happened back in the day!”

So they’re all framed as someone from further ahead in time looking back at accounts of “the Louisiana Incident”. Do we ever get an indication of who this person is, or why they’re researching all this?

My first thought is that the AHA’s fight against the Sculptor has continued into the future / modern day, in which case, boy do I wanna see Butcher or Spider go up against a .50 cal BMG mounted on a river boat. Just cut the building in half. Cathartic!

But also, oh no, the problems persist, and it doesn’t seem like our folks in 1896 are gonna be able to do much to quell the Sculptor long-term.

[granite shard]

We don’t really have much on the contemporary researcher unfortunately

[tall vigil]

Nuts.

I’ve gotten to the page on Grunts, and they mention “the zombie stories we have today”—so either they’re talking about just like, banal zombie movies and such, or the more worrying option, there’s still surviving accounts of the risen dead somewhere out there.

[granite shard]

They seem to be more of a historian trying to parse what happened back then more than someone trying to find an answer for something happening now

[tall vigil]

Yeah, I haven’t gotten much of a sense of worry from them, from what I’ve read. Which is good.

[real cedar]

Some of the custom ammo notes from presumably the same guy use "we" when describing the fall of the AHA like "If only we knew then what we know now" which suggests the AHA rebuilt itself.
There's also a date on the graffiti article in the Louisiana incident putting the minimum date of this research to 1977.
I think one of the book of weapon descriptions also helps put context to who is doing the cataloging

[tall vigil]

The late 70’s??

Oh no, the Sculptor’s gonna have to work with Disco dancers this go around!

Imagine you’re trying to sneak through a house, and someone turns on a record player and starts playing Queen.

[bold ruin]

John travolta rocks up in the bayou with a shotgun

[tall vigil]

Now that’s DLC I would pay for.

[uneven bolt]

Isnt it ironic... that you cant see anything (not even a simple cubemap) on the spyglass... a tool that is "used" to see 〽️

#buffspyglass

[tall vigil]

Suppose you’d have to look at a spyglass with another spyglass. Then you could see what there is to see in your seer.

[strange bane]

Buddhism be like

[tall vigil]

Ain’t they got like 8 different Hells?

Am I confusing that with Shinto?

[strange bane]

Shinto , Buddhism, Hindu have different hells

Or cycles of rebirth and reincarnation until nirvana , called Samsara

[tall vigil]

That one I know.

[strange bane]

Let’s get nerdy! Lmao

[tall vigil]

Someone call up Sovereign and North Star, they’ve got their work cut out for them. 😭

[strange bane]

Also happy Halloween eve, I imagine the Last Rites and Unquiet Dead are putting their weapons down to enjoy the holiday

Or they are instead fighting with a renewed and ghoulish bloodlust

[tall vigil]

Butcher’s got a Jack’o’Lantern on instead of the pig. He’s as happy as it is possible for him to be.

I can only look forward to Christmas, and imagine Scrapbeak in a little Santa hat and decorated with Christmas lights, giving out presents to all the Hunters at speed and with great force.

[strange bane]

Love those times

Them giving the Spider stockings was hilarious

[tall vigil]

WAIT THEY DID THAT?

WHEN

[strange bane]

While back

Long while now

Look it up

It’s almost cursed

[noble scarab]

the spider had stockings at christmas too

plus santa assassin

[strange bane]

Also….earlier this evening, I was moseying past the well behind the school house in Lower Desalle. I heard what sounded like a grunt? So I turned around. Nothing. Had cleared mobs in that area, so I just walked past the well again. Heard the sound again, this time definitively coming from the well. I believe there is…something down there. A grunt? Perhaps

[real cedar]

Yup, there's a grunt in the well

[strange bane]

Thanks lol! First time I ever heard that

[noble scarab]

its a walking dead referrence

[strange bane]

Helps I was playing solo

Nice!!!

[gilded umbra]

I noticed it a couple weeks ago. I kept looking around wondering where that sound was coming from.

[fickle sluice]

Plus the christmas lights and wreaths on the Butcher's ... "scaffold"?

[clear mortar]

So where does worm bite sit on like a morality scale? Like is didn't even know there was worm bite lore and now im like damn

[bold ruin]

This is mostly just personal opinion, but I’d say he’s pretty on the fence, maybe slightly better in terms of morals than a few other hunters, purely because he seems to actually care about people (admittedly only the dead), but at least someone is out there burying them, can’t see many other hunters doing that if I’m honest. Then again he’s making a profit out of it, and he’s got to be one insane bastard to literally set up shop in the bayou

[granite shard]

He doesn’t seem to be a bad person, just off his rocker. Basically he just wants to kill death lol

He buries people with bullets so they can kill death

[noble scarab]

hmm why does a day of the dead themed gun have an othala rune on it?

[analog pendant]

Honestly, still team Last Rites, but that Mosin skin do be looking kinda nice

[orchid tangle]

I'm team last rites just cuz I spend too much on this server complaining about weapons that get enough skins

can't be a hypocrite now

[granite shard]

I like unquiet dead bc I like Sofia

[analog pendant]

I like Rites bc I Love Hail Mary

[real cedar]

I'm still team Rites just cause I figured the Berthier Riposte really needs a new skin but now that I've seen it I'm okay with Unquiet Dead winning.

The PvP community events are a bit weird, the back and forth rounds between Fool and Judge worked well enough but this one's winner was decided on the very first day and we've still got 10 days left.

[analog pendant]

Exactlyyyy

[acoustic whale]

is post malon making a return?

[real cedar]

He better not

But no, Post Malone is Mythic so he won't return for sale next event. The Post Malone themed guns can make a return, however.

[uneven bolt]

Didnt like the winnies, the knuckle knife wasnt bad but i dont like that they spammed "PM" all around the skins tbh

[real cedar]

They could design another variant of Post Malone and sell that, but hopefully they don't

[uneven bolt]

XDDD

[tall vigil]

Well, Odin was a god of the dead, in his own way. I find it strangely, fittingly out of place? Hunters seem to be kinda grab-bagging whatever religious beliefs or iconography they can to help ward away Corruption—throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.

[orchid tangle]

yeah but we could get a second event with him where he gets another 2 hunter skins

he should get to kill Lynch
I kinda wanna see this chat in that reality

[spiral mica]

I honestly don't really care which skin we get, but I sided with last rites because they possess more of the classic hunters we all know and love.

[mortal sleet]

if you think about it

worm bite is that guy

didnt the demented group kill the researcher ?

[real cedar]

Nah, they tied him up but Hayali tricked them into walking away then freed the Researcher

[analog pendant]

Hayali strikes me as being a very chaotic neutral or gray character, but I haven’t follow the lore closely enough to know for a fact

[noble scarab]

I love our undead hunters and also our death pact hunters, however I support giving skins to weapons that lack them

[noble scarab]

Buddy is a little bit of a trickster

And likes to tell stories his own way as well

[noble scarab]

I enjoy the circus winnie skins, at least the white ones with the eye on it. I’m a sucker for designs like that. However the rest of the lot is untouchable due to it having approx 3974946 PMs per square inch, which is a shame because his terminus skin is neat

[mortal sleet]

fr

does post malone have any significance to the games lore?

[noble scarab]

Outside of his event no

[granite shard]

Unfortunately he’s tied to more things than he should be

Multiple DLC and blood bond hunters reference him slash his focus

[spiral mica]

His whole theme of shadow puppeteering and pulling the strings from behind the scenes seemingly supports that idea too.

Although, Hayali would hardly be the first or only hunter with that kind of approach. Cowl is another individual who apparently likes to cause chaos by playing different angles.

[mortal sleet]

giggles lowkey feels odd being in the game ngl

[spiral mica]

Tbf all the clowns feel off

[mortal sleet]

i like private eye and hawkshaw jack character in the game tho they lowkey feel like tourists whenever i see them in the trailers

[noble scarab]

Giggles breaks all kinds of hunt rules and makes 6 whole events irrelevant

[analog pendant]

#NoClownsInMuhBayouOrGulch

[mortal sleet]

true

[spiral mica]

I think more than a few people attached to the game's lore like to pretend murder circus just didn't happen.

[noble scarab]

Then you’ve got the gen z clown, and the other one that is just ok

[spiral mica]

It's already an event with a story that pretty disconnected from everything else we've got.

[mortal sleet]

i'd like to know more about coal bearer character he seems interesting along with worm bite

[spiral mica]

The only relation to other events that murder circus had was the heliostone and the land of the dead.

[noble scarab]

Coal bearer is Santa, that’s it

[mortal sleet]

santa doing side quests now

ghost face character doesnt break the game much unlike giggles

[spiral mica]

supposedly the prologue message from the event says the circus is just chilling in the land of the dead somewhere waiting to appear again.

[mortal sleet]

iron bark story is just downright sad bro 💔

[noble scarab]

A lot of work went into the circus compound and things, I wouldn’t be opposed to that returning

[analog pendant]

Does Santa Bearer, and Coldflint, mean that other concepts/characters also have a chance of existing? Like we got Little Red Riding Hood, does that mean we could get like a Pied Piper type character or like could we get a Hunt take on Jack Frost come the Solstice? We also got Krampus via the DA, and Frau Perchta, who’s her own character in folktale, no?

[noble scarab]

Yea pretty much

[analog pendant]

Cool🫘

[clear mortar]

last rites enjoyers

[noble scarab]

The Christmas hunter from last year wasn’t folklore specific if I recall just themed around it

[clear mortar]

I really like skinflint hope he makes a return

[noble scarab]

But I could see them doing a more blue hued hunter for Jack Frost, maybe a hunter that froze to death and came back

[clear mortar]

However saying that

[noble scarab]

Skinflint should be back in the store come winter

[clear mortar]

Im probably still gonna play only worm bite

[noble scarab]

Plus the others

[clear mortar]

Cause hes my favourite hunter

[real dove]

I liked the circus event

Minus a few parts

Wouldn't be upset to see it return

[analog pendant]

I liked the poi

[real dove]

It needs some touch ups

Remove the carpet that... 💩 people used to exploit with traps

But a lot of work went into it minus the pm stuff, so wouldn't but upset to see the bears and compound come back

I think this event POI is my fav

[noble scarab]

Crytek is getting better at making the event compounds

But also circus bear vs swamp bear when

[real dove]

bear vs bearbear when

[analog pendant]

And then last second before either can get a killing blow, manBearPig comes out and both bears have to team up alongside getting help from cocaine bear to defeat MBP

[noble scarab]

I think our swamp bear counts as man bear at the very least

Hand him the butchers hook and we get the whole package

[haughty haven]

do we know how regen shot works physically

[bold ruin]

Id imagine its a mix of opium/laudanum and whatever the hunters can get their hands on, some of the lore entries for a few of the regen shot skins mention they can be filled with pretty much anything, so id imagine theres some supernatural stuff going on with them too, mayyyybe connected to dark sight somehow? Or at least, that kind of power. Id say it probably connects to the inoculation Hunters take as well

[fickle sluice]

There's also a lot of occult shit going on. There are a few mentions of special medicine the AHA employs to patch fucked up hunters back together. The answer is magic, and that's actually okay within the law.

how in the ever loving land of the dead have I never noticed that Laura is wearing a tattoo of the Devil's Advocate on both shoulders?

[bold ruin]

Literally my favourite of the progression hunters and ive never seen that either holy shit

[bold ruin]

I guess when theyre keeping the sculptor (relatively) in check in the bayou, the government are happy to allow them their occulty nastiness

[fickle sluice]

I mean, it's probably the other way around. I guess it was a design they used on that hunter and later used it as an inspiration for the Devil's Advocate. Kinda cool tho

[fickle sluice]

I am really unsure how much the government really knows. From what I remember, most things that come out of the bayou to the public seem to be dressed as "Oh well, the weird swamp people are doing shit again" or "Oh, the weird poor swamp people are sick again". Or mere dime novel stories.

Which just had me thinking of that retelling of how the police officer in Call of Cthulhu found that weird cult in the swamp, dancing around the monolith and sacrificing the friendly swamp dwellers.

[bold ruin]

That definitely makes sense, I do think as well that, even if the government knows things, they never communicate it to anyone, leading to a shit ton of confusion/misinformation. I mean, they’d rather keep it secret than keep people safe from it

[remote dust]

No no it's low moral fiber obviously

[noble scarab]

In older lore the AHA was bribing the governor to keep it under wraps

[tall vigil]

New crack ship unlocked.

Okay, 2 questions.

1. Should we be concerned at all that Corruption seems to be spreading out of state, into Colorado of all places? Are there any connections between Louisiana and Colorado such as waterways or rivers that might give insight into how Corruption spreads? Cause if not, it seems like Corruption might be able to pop up anywhere, which is… Not good.

2. And, unrelated, does anyone else try to do “canon” builds for Legendary Hunters? Use that Hunter’s specific gear and try to tailor playstyle to how they appear in trailers, or what their gear might suggest?

[real cedar]

1. The Scorched Earth event tells the story of how the Corruption seemingly jumped from Louisiana to Colorado. While Incursions do physically spread outwards, they don't physically spread over extreme distances without a new Incursion being formed.

2. Yes, people do that now and again, I've seen people post about it as well as ask about extra info for making it happen.

[tall vigil]

Oh, goodie. ;w;

War on two fronts. Everyone loves a war on two fronts.

If nothing else, it’ll give characters like Frau Perchta and the Mountain Man a break—imagine wearing all that in a Louisiana swamp! They should be taking health damage the longer they stay out there. 😭

[spiral mica]

Mountain man was disappointingly not apparent during the scorched earth event. He got like one mention out of the entire event story.

[remote dust]

Such a shame

Mountain Man is peak

[spark pasture]

I thought the implication is that he's a witch hunter? His bio suggests he even has tied to Circe family which also is related to witch hunting.

About vamps and werewolves in Hunt: I think it's doable but not in the classic form, but a twisted one instead.

Hunt has strong cosmic/Lovecraftian bend with the Sculptor and infections and such . Vamps and wolves would have to follow this pattern, I think

[granite shard]

He’s canonically a witch hunter but he’s visually very based on van helsing and other sort of vampire hunter visual tropes

[fickle sluice]

which makes it even more baffling to me, that people want explicitly "Van Helsing" as a Character. We have Hex breaker. That basically gives us the weird Action Movie version of Van Helsing. But lets face it: the researcher would be much closer to OG Van Helsing of Stoker-fame

[uneven bolt]

Wish I had recorded, I had a random that kept telling me with a goofy voice (because I had an xbow with spellbreaker) that I was like "van hellsing"

lost media 〽️

[last summit]

has anyone heard the IGN preview of Three Lost Souls? would it be a continuation of the storyline of Port Sulfur Band? I think there're interesting parralels between It's Dark in New Orleans and Three Lost Souls with the lyric "Two Above, Three Below" for New Orleans and "One bottle, two shots, three lost souls" and i found that interesting

[uneven bolt]

The trailer where both appear was good tbh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdCBa40lZuo (only problem I saw was that hardin should have been shooting his lemat but oh well)

(most unrealistic part is when private eye gets a kill with an scottfield)

[noble scarab]

I’ll not stand for the scottfield slander

Maybe the base model and brawler can be slandered a bit but the rest are good

However both the base model and brawler have some very pretty skins

[mortal sleet]

yeah but like

who uses scottfield percision dawg 💔

[noble scarab]

I bring it if I need a medium slot

Usually paired with the bow

[worthy fern]

Does anyone use and precision? Why use up two slots on a one soo pistol, just take a short rifle

[mortal sleet]

percision uppercut exists

i mostly use it for a shotgun

[gilded umbra]

They look good together. 🔍

[uneven bolt]

yes she is using base scottfield twin

spitfire is good

besides that 〽️

(make brawler an spitfire variant Crytek)

[remote dust]

A super underrated flavor of Van Helsing I think

[brittle patrol]

i appreciate how characters that are inspired by other media are given a ´´Hunt-twist'' be it a different name or details in their appearance.

this sets it apart from games like fortnite. i was pleasantly surprised to see the helsing dude, as well the red riding hood

[noble scarab]

a hunt twist, minus ghost face, or the actual post malone

[brittle patrol]

those seem rather direct rip-offs. i do like what they did to their outfits though. I only hope these characters got more people into hunt who wouldn't otherwise known about it.

[clear mortar]

Who is crossroads walker with ?

[real cedar]

He was with the Murder Circus before it got corrupted

[acoustic whale]

can we put pressure on crytek to bring back post malon

[orchid tangle]

someone should put a lot of effort into making a very canon friendly long fan fiction for hunt showdown and build up a real interesting story and then by the end just fucking ruin it all with crossovers and stuff

[acoustic whale]

i love the celebrity idea

give us a new celebrity

[clear mortar]

He seems like he'd be very welcome in the death pact

[real cedar]

800,000 word fanfic following the spread of the corruption from 1894 up to 1896 with characters being introduced in line with their release dates. The final chapters set up a big conspiracy then smash cut to Ghostface visiting Post Malone 😂

[fickle sluice]

Do. Not. Tempt. Me.

[orchid tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jumping-scared-crazy-real-gif-4782644573044905684

[fickle sluice]

I was thinking about posting some fan fic, actually. But I feel rather silly

[acoustic whale]

Ghostface paying post malone a visit is actually cool

[granite shard]

Honestly you shouldn’t feel silly about it. I’m biased as someone who has regularly been writing fics for like eight years but fic can be really awesome and writing anything is better than writing nothing

[acoustic whale]

@fickle sluice can you expand on Ghostface lore in ur fan fic?

[fickle sluice]

It's weird. I have been writing fics for the last... I dunno 15 years? But in Hunt... Feels out of reach

[granite shard]

Honestly the only reason I haven’t written hunt fic is the lack of audience lol

[fickle sluice]

I'm a DM with my own setting, I don't do it for the audience. If I did that I'd have an alcohol problem. But in all seriousness: I get you

[granite shard]

luv seeing hit counter go up on ao3

[fickle sluice]

Also: not an english native

[strange bane]

I would read a Hunt Book , fan fic or not

I wrote a lot when I was younger, bunch of almost short stories ranging from my attempts at horror and fantasy. Haven’t properly done any writing since then apart from my DND/Pathfinder campaign characters lol

[strange bane]

Can certainly respect that, being a DM takes patience and at least some dedication to the craft

Have never attempted being a DM, unsure if I have the chops

By the way, is there a connection at all between Emelia B. Bryant and the Backers?

Idk why but I feel as though I recall seeing that discussion here, or being asked about at least

[strange bane]

Another lore question lol, Who exactly were the two “children” who stumbled into black water in the Arcane Archaeologist’s Dream? Was it the Drowned Rat/Kid or maybe the twins? That dream being her reason for joining the Hunt. I was re reading through the lore of legendary hunters last night and wondered about that

L o r e

[real cedar]

The Arcane Arachaeologist in general is kind of a dead end. Both her own story and her connection to the Prodigal Daughter have never been followed up on.

[strange bane]

So it was Prodigal Daughter and perhaps her brother that was seen in the dream? Also that’s a damned shame

[real cedar]

We can make up any theory on what the dream was like the Drowned duo or the Prodigals but it's certainly not the true answer that the writers were thinking about when they first penned that bio. Prodigal Son wasn't thought up until much much later

[strange bane]

Fair enough yeah, thank you for the clarification Mister Rai!

Felt like I was going to have to figure it out alone lol, I considered just going through all entries with the AA in them

I ain’t Mr. Popular lol

[real cedar]

It's one of the casualties of a long running narrative with multiple changes in writing teams. I always compare it to comic books but I think longrunning tv shows can also have that problem.
"Hey remember when they brought X up but then next season kinda forgot about it? Wonder what that was about."

[strange bane]

Ahh yeah. The True Detective effect lol

Or the Dr.Who effect, or any art form really that has a long running narrative with multiple changes in story intensity

I still love it all though. I appreciate what they did giving the legendaries that are tier 2/3 hunter adjacent interconnected stories with the world and even some established characters. That hits me right in the niche lore enthusiast part of my brain lol

[gilded umbra]

Yeah, the new biographies for the hunters are really cool now.

[strange bane]

For example, hunters like Ambrose Hazen and the recently widowed Miss Damon

There’s also the lady hunter that previously worked for the NY chapter of the AHA before it became a …dead syndicate

Can’t recall her name but she traded office work and hunting traitors for bayou chicanery and hunting monsters

All so dang cool man! Just give me a book already I will read it front to back

Almost as if my name is parallel to the current state of the AHA…lol the unintended irony is not lost on this fool

I am genuinely waiting with baited breath for any new lore lol

I also really dig Leo Nuñez , he legitimately is hunting against his will because of cursed objects on his belt

I mean cone on, the writing team’s pen must have been on fire writing these lol

I could go on and on but I don’t want to be a buzzing bee

[gilded umbra]

That’s one of the best skins in the game to me. He’s like the quintessential Hunt Showdown hunter.

[brittle patrol]

Who's this girl, what's her deal, where's her hat?!

[tall vigil]

She lost it, and that’s why she looks so ticked off. Scrapbeak probably stole it.

But in keeping with previous talk of the new Hunters, I’ve just finished reading the journal entries for the Meathead.

Entries 3, 4, and 5 are a Director PHU recounting the loss of a pair of senior Hunters, a man and wife, the wife been inducted into the org in secret while she was pregnant. The Inoculation, the ritual the Hunters perform to ward off the sickness of Corruption while they hunt, supercharged her and the fetus, but the baby grew into the first Meathead and ate her from the inside out at birth.

What’s really interesting is that these are transcripts of a meeting. It gives a glimpse into the AHA not as just an abstract faction, but as an organization, with actual members, changes in policy, discretionary practices, and quarterly reports for lack of a better term.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall and just observe the AHA having board meetings, talking about new developments in the Hunt, setting up lines with gun runners and provision suppliers.

[noble scarab]

i get the feeling thats all upper management stuff, normal hunters probably dont know they even have meetings

that said, make cain a board member

itd be great

[tall vigil]

Cain sits there in a pair of reading glasses, looking over various documents. He speaks in a startlingly clear voice.

“We’ve recently made headway into direct dealings with Mr. Caldwell himself; we hope to be receiving new shipments of Caldwell arms relatively soon! However, we’ve also noted an uptick in the amount of Mosin-Nagant rifles purchased, so we’ll have to see about getting those imported, if this trend continues.”

[tall vigil]

I think I’ve come to a rather disturbing revelation about Hunt’s world. Obviously characters like the North Star, Hunters from other countries, imply that Corruption, or other forces, exist outside of the United States, but I had always assumed the world to be relatively.. Normal, otherwise?

But after reading the lore on the Hellborne, and the rituals conducted to bring oil back to failing mines and drills—I think it’s everywhere.

Not that everywhere on Earth is facing some kinda of extra-dimensional incursion, like what’s going on in Louisiana, but that everywhere on Earth are people doing awful, horrific, blasphemous things. That the world is not victim to something like the Sculptor, but rather seedbed to an already present and long-existing evil.

The Sculptor’s just the new kid on the block trying out some fun new experiments. But such horrors were already here, and elsewhere, and will likely persist long after it’s been driven off.

[spiral mica]

From what we know the zones of incursion seem to be very concentrated. Hunters such as Zhuge Liu imply there are definitely zones in other parts of the world, but apparently not many people actually know about them.

[strange bane]

I asked for more lore adjacent stuff to read , I was given more of it. Stand and deliver, that’s what I come here for lol

The world of Hunt is so interesting, and I can not wait for more

Cain as a board member would be funny as all get out

I honestly can’t believe they never had Cain and the Reverend meet

[tall vigil]

“It’s a, a pleasure to meet you. Misterrrr…?”
“Hrrnph—Cain!—grrh..”
“ … I seeeee. Would you excuse me a moment?”

https://tenor.com/view/10-gif-10454989151391905331

Local priest meets new coworker, the Father of Murder.

[noble scarab]

there are other incursions, most smaller

china has them reguarly enough to need to send hunters here to learn how better to deal with them

[granite shard]

Not the same sort of incursions

The sculptor seems centered in the US rn, other stuff is from different things it seems

[noble scarab]

we havent had a recent source that verifies anything, but like smalls said they have their Nian monsters

i could see crytek folding everything under the sculptor though

[granite shard]

I think they’d have said sculptor at this point if it was meant to be it

I think the sculptor is just one of many supernatural things in the world

[noble scarab]

i feel like they've made the world much smaller and stoped mentioning other monsters

we had thunderbirds at one point

plus at least 2 or 3 other incursions in the US

they removed the reference to the one and haven't much mentioned what went down in NY

[granite shard]

But like there’s still the whole China thing that has very specifically not mentioned the sculptor, plus chary trying to understand it in the past and having to go quite some time into the past

[noble scarab]

yea we just dont have much on China

and the magic rock seems just tied to the land of the dead until it get shot by sofia

[noble scarab]

Chapter Eleven: Mr. Chary
Cleopatra – Knights Templar and Witches – Marengo – Sacred Boundary – Insectoid Maidens – Silver Scarab Goliath – Fabled Worms – Memories Inscribed – Mind Shrouded Sky – A Child's Question
Wax Cylinder Transcript
Sealed With a Cicada Husk
Labeled: The Storybook

Cleopatra pulled a snake from the moon. She rode it for forty nights, eating men, soldiers, and children who cried when a breast was pulled from their mouths. The Knights Templar were birthed from an enormous witch enshrined by foundation stones. Napoleon's horse, Marengo, had a ribcage that could split open and eat other horses whole. After Bonaparte burned bridges, the stallion could still canter across the ghosts of them.
The Murmurstone is a library for such tales.
It can only speak the truth, or so it says. Its presence demarcates a sacred boundary of the Sculptor's will and influence, much as the pomerium outlined the border of Rome. It is a force of physics and myth intertwined. Emperors have been driven mad with its promises.
The Murmurstone seems primed to tell the tales of women and men, but these are not the histories I am interested in. I seek epics never scribed by personkind and the knowledge hidden in them.
I wish to hear of the nameless Silver Scarab Goliath who pulped insectoid maidens into mercury at the first age of the Sculptor. There are fables of worms endlessly burrowing across desolate lands, sludging in unison, charting pathways and inscribing memories for a mind too big to shroud a single sky.
Still, the story I want to hear most eludes the Murmurstone's mouth.
I think it is because the question I ask is the question of a child. It is not what the Sculptor wants, but why?

[gilded umbra]

When I read the biography of The Shroud who is from Egypt, I was thinking the same thing.

[noble scarab]

the murmurstone is tied to the sculptor, and has been around for a long time, however chary seems to think that there are other intelligences that work as the sculptor does, one of which is surely Lynch

[tall vigil]

I feel better about Lynch when I think of her as just someone who saw too deep and swam down to meet it, rather than like, a Sculptor-like being choosing to walk the earth.

[tall vigil]

Y’know what throw the planet into the Sun. This place sucks, and the Sun’ll do it.

[granite shard]

Lynch wants to be like the sculptor but isn’t

[tall vigil]

Maybe I’m naive or romantic, but I like to think the Sun could win against whatever nonsense is messing with / lies dormant in Earth. Or the oceans.

You can’t haunt the ocean. You can haunt rivers, lakes, creeks, streams, ponds, but you can’t haunt the ocean. Sure, the ocean has ghosts, but they don’t hold dominion or power over the sea, not really. It’s too big—too much, too full, too vast, too old, too deep.

[granite shard]

She’s a witch, so she’s more than human, but she’s not at sculptor level

[tall vigil]

“This chick’s still doing the human sacrifice bit? Puh-lease, get this baby-work outta here!” 🙄

“Lemme show you how the Big Boys do it.”
makes Spiders
makes Brutes (real good story there, think it’s the Mountain Man)

Actually speaking of monsters, thinking of the Immolator and Hellborne, I think it’s interesting how fire seems thematically related to righteousness or indignation. It’s not just hate, but hatred of injustice, the vengeful wrath of the wronged made manifest.

Not to say it’s good—Immolators are still happy to run up and wail on us all the live-long day—but interesting that it doesn’t seem to be part of Sculptor’s normal toolkit?

[noble scarab]

Lynch very much plans to be what the Sculptor is

Shes the inhuman version of Chary

[tall vigil]

I need to read up on Chary. I remember him being dead. Ain’t he the one responsible for the Inoculation, among other things? I remember way way back, there was a special cutscene when I first popped on Hunt, and I think it was the initial Inoculation ritual.

[noble scarab]

The first innocualtion was made of herbs and the hearts of dead hunters, then lynch made a version with demon blood and worse things

Chary took over the AHA from Huff and then later Finch

[tall vigil]

Alright—finished reading the “Bad As They Seem” story on the wiki.

New objective! Kill Lynch.
New sub-objective! Never encounter another snake in my life, holy shit.

[strange bane]

To follow up, I reckon Mister Nuñez is our penultimate “Gunslinger” stand in for the Gunslinger from Dark Tower. In his character intro , you even can hear a familiar whistling……

I could be wrong lol

Roland Deschain is a literally me character for sure lol , Dark Tower and Hunt share many parallels

[quiet mirage]

Hey guys I have a question

If all hunters come from the AHA or basically the same organization.. wouldn't their entire thing be to rid the monsters?? I don't see why hunters kill each other even if the bounty exist.. Ofcourse some hunters have exceptions like the one native American guy who migrated there and would have a reason to actually be hostile

I know they fight for the bounty (money)

But like still

Wouldn't the AHA be kinda conflicted seeing the people in their own organization ripping each other to pieces?

[real dove]

Iirc, the vax they get makes them bloodthirsty

Also, no shared bounty. People are out for themselves

Since the AHA is pretty much wiped out, no real order left

[noble scarab]

They’re all greedy for various reasons, money, power, blood, etc

[brittle patrol]

Maybe it happens to show how hard it is to not become evil in the battle against evil 😈
In theory one could play hunt without attacking other hunters. It's just far more rewarding to do kill other hunters even if only out of self-defense. Whatever happens in the bayou stays in the bayou. In the land of death, not coming home is not unlikely. Murder may not be the first thing people consider when someone disapears.

[brittle patrol]

hunt does seem to convey a cynical message about people being out there for themselves. It is however a lot of fun within the context of a game where no real people are harmed or have to face the gallows.

[real cedar]

The leadership of the AHA made things worse when the Hunter community started to fracture. Philip Huff Jones became a leader of one of the factions that began infighting, rather than a voice of solidarity. His administrator, Finch, was the one that felt bad but Finch stuck to the background, even after Huff died and he became the new director of the AHA he didn't take action to right the ship, instead allowing the next administrator, Orwell Chary, to further break things with his Infernal Pact.
If there had been better leadership, perhaps they could've kept their motley crew of psychopaths and mercenaries together.

[strange bane]

If Mister Nuñez is our gunslinger, who would be the Walking Dude?

Or Randall Flagg/Walter o’Dim lol. He has another name, man in black. I heavily doubt it would be the black coat though, as his lore doesn’t seem at all like a reference/ has been in the lore pretty much since full release year

Perhaps Mr. Chary was pretty close to Flagg? Don’t reckon that was intended as a reference either. If all we do get is Leo, I would be fine with that because he is very damn cool

[strange bane]

Apologies for spam , Have been in a big lore kick lately

[analog pendant]

Never apologize for passion, Syndi

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-beard-swag-hey-girl-llumiya-gif-17484464

[noble scarab]

That tier 2 hunter that was in all black that is no longer in the game

Appearance wise anyway, other than that Chary fits

[brittle patrol]

i wish they would gradually re-introduce these old hunters, with a specified name and small story with each tier like some other hunters have.

[gilded umbra]

Even though the bayou and the mountains are filled with monsters human beings are still the most vicious creatures there.

[tall vigil]

I do wish the game had a biiit more focus on the co-op PvE over the PvP, but, that’s just the kinda game this is.

Y’know what’d be interesting? Maybe instead of two or so smaller bosses, there could be one real big one roaming the map, one that would incentivize or require multiple teams to take it down. Like a raid boss!

And then everyone who participates gets to extract with a reward.

Maybe you could still kill other Hunters, but maybe you could also revive other Hunters as well, not on your team.

I dunno. Just something for those of us who don’t like the PvP as much.

Ooh, actually workable idea though—Hunter morality / alignment list. Put, I dunno, Sheriff Harden on one end, and like, most everyone else on the other.

[loud steeple]

New players already struggle enough learning how to deal with ai and I still see people dying to bosses (albeit rarely) in 4 and 5 star lobbies. I think making bosses more difficult would just incentivize people to camp more and not even attempt to kill it before they’re sure the lobby is wiped

[real cedar]

We've seen that definitively with the community's reaction to tool damage against bosses being nerfed and world weapons becoming rare

[uneven bolt]

That kinda shows you how much the playerbase has deteriorated... pve is just an alert tool for other players

they very rarely are a threat to the player, these arent DMZ tier 3 bots, no real threat, even in some bosses lair (like spider or assassin)

we just have grunts dogs armoreds inmolators etc that can be dealt with nearly everything quickly

[gilded umbra]

I suggested we need an Immolator 2.0 that can vault and climb ladders but that wasn’t received well.

[uneven bolt]

Exactly Rai and Basilino point, no?

The point is precisely to NOT make AI harder since so many people struggle

And honestly an inmolator that could climb stuff wouldnt add anything

Game has already poor pathing and the AI is badly at interacting with stuff

(ex: grunts keep barking at doors/fences, armoreds breaks doors and then dont know where to go if you are in certain spots etc)

Hunt isnt precisely known for its quality regarding PvE....

[gilded umbra]

I just like how the Immolator will keep chasing you. Maybe an airborne AI enemy would be cool.

I like the AI enemies in the game now but I wouldn’t mind if they added more.

[real cedar]

More or less, but rather than struggling with bosses I think the change in playstyle in reaction to the tool nerf was that killing the boss took too long and created the risk of being attacked before the boss is dead. Weighing the odds meant it was safer to kill people then handle the boss.

[uneven bolt]

I agree

Wasnt at all fun if you were already inside

[orchid tangle]

I would want more AI if they suddenly worked better

they're not like dogshit

but they're just.. OK for a game where you ignore AI

half the bosses special abilities is running away

[real dove]

The spider and assassin

At least the other two wanna fight

[fickle sluice]

Butcher and Scrappy have developed a nasty habit of pinning me in a corner and beating the shit out of me. But suggestions like these would be better in the suggestion or discussion channel, instead of the lire channel, right?

[real dove]

I guess

Still would love a witch boss

(lynch)

[fickle sluice]

Me too. But I don't want it to be Lynch. I don't need another Kessel Run

[icy brook]

We need to break the spectral witch boss out of her pre-beta file chains

[gilded umbra]

I saw a screenshot of her. That was an awesome idea.

Or maybe it was a render and not a screenshot but it was impressive nonetheless.

[clear mortar]

Was thinking about this the other day but its weird they haven't made a blues musician hunter yet ? Yano like with the game mainly being about the louisiana bayou

[noble scarab]

We might eventually get a port sulphur band member

That’d be neat

[real dove]

Dude

I'd love a psb event

The poi is a stage

Psb members as the hunters (or OCS if they don't want to be scanned into the game)

[icy brook]

https://youtu.be/ilxdDovzO1g?si=eolV6eJMyYlpJEg3

[uneven bolt]

Sad, a good rpg of this style would slap

[icy brook]

I’m glad Hunt went the way it did

[uneven bolt]

We all do, or we wouldnt be here mostly

But an rpg of that sort would hurt if done proper

[strange bane]

I can certainly appreciate the roots of it, even the roots are awesome and unique. It’s no surprise Hunt became such a unique masterpiece of an experience

That’s what it accomplishes for me already, even without the immaculate world building and fascinating lore

You add that on, it’s like Steak and Eggs with a nice cup of coffee. That being said, I certainly agree with Y’all, a PSB event or even just a hunter of that aesthetic would go incredibly hard

[real dove]

Wild seeing the footage. Can def see where Remn came from out of that

with hunter gear i recognize lol

[icy brook]

I like how many audio assets are still in the game from that early build

[haughty haven]

Why are hunters pitted against each other? Don't we all work for the same company?

[uneven bolt]

The AHA kinda broke down quite some time ago, no?

Lore is pretty much scattered all over the place

Shouldnt have taken out dem books outta the game 👎

nor the 1 bb the unlock granted you each time

(also served to see what weapons you were using the least, and if you were somewhat invested into lore, not my case, but still, you could have this as a motivation to use them and progress)

[haughty haven]

I strongly agree

Bestiary was fun

[icy brook]

There has to be an último hombre who walks away with the cash

[orchid tangle]

the lore trailer says greed turned them against each other

but it would also have to do with the fact not all of them are the same faction

[sour oasis]

I remember rereading it whenever I had a shite match or unlocked a new entry, I’m very sad it’s gone

[mint wind]

The main argument I think is that people snatch money from the bounty, but since there isn’t enough for everyone, they’d rather kill each others for some coins rather than just cleaning up the area.

[fickle sluice]

@haughty haven The factions started when Chary showed up and basically doomed the AHA with his power-mad bullshit. Due to the fractions and Chary's schemes that forced hunters against each other, the AHA slowly crumbled. Before that the AHA was a (for US terms) old organization that took care of incursions, like the one we're facing now, before. They were very organized and someone was paying a lot of money for the bounties. And since the tide trilogy and Desolation's Wake, we know (kinda) that it's a super rich circle of backers who "beat Death at poker and got all the secrets of the world in their pockets". There were all kinds of people being recruited by the AHA to go to the bayou and hunt the monsters, grab that weird organ of theirs and return it for money. Nobody ever said anything about killing each other. The in-lore hunters kill each other for the same reason we kill each other in the game: greed. We want to be the ones getting out with the bounty. Nobody needs to die. But alas, that's how people are.
BTW It is hinted, that there are more organizations like the AHA all over the world. That's why Kevin sent out letters calling for help, which I understand was also the hook they used to justify more international hunters in the game.

[haughty haven]

Thank you for the detailed response

[fickle sluice]

No Problemo. I might be off with some things, but I'm confident my fellow lore-people will correct any mistakes I made. They're in fact welcome to do so

[worthy fern]

Is Antonia Higuera the Dame of the Dead?

[granite shard]

no, two different people

the dame of the dead is sofia's sister and currently they have no canon surname

[worthy fern]

how are you sure? the text suggests to me that Antonia followed her sister into the place between life and death and became the dame of the dead

I mean I get if its a different Antonia but that seems like poor choices from Crytek to give two chaarcters the same last name without giving them both surnames to differentiate

[granite shard]

Yeah Antonia dame of the dead is one person, Antonia Higuera is a different

[worthy fern]

But I just mean is that like made explicit anywhere or is that just assumed because Antonia - Dame of the Dead hasn’t clarified their last name?

[granite shard]

I mean they also have two fairly distinct stories going on alongside Antonia not having a surname. If they were meant to be the same, they would refer to her by her full name

[dapper relic]

I'm just curious if anyone knows this, Is the whole country in Hunt covered in corruption or is it just certain parts such as the places we hunt in. Plus how did the corruption start? ( I've only been playing this game for like 5 or 6 months now and i just got really curious about the lore.)

[real cedar]

The country as we understand it is the same as irl 1896, except for these remote pockets in Louisiana and Colorado that draw in vagabonds, psychopaths, and mercenaries willing to hunt monsters for coin. It's never truly been revealed how these incursions begin, but some theories suggest that occult experiments that are especially cruel can tear open a rift that allows the Sculptor to enter. The Pelican Island Prison story and the Scorched Earth event story are the two that seem to be closest to telling the origin of each incursion.

[dapper relic]

Oh okay, and Im assuming that people that aren't near the hunting areas such as in the remote parts of Louisiana and Colorado know of these events or just choose to ignore it? ( sorry if it seems like a weird question I love world building.)

[real cedar]

The existence of the paranormal is kept secret by the AHA and later the Backers (presumably with help from the Lawful Pact maybe?). The Governor of Louisiana might've known about it, but kept it quiet by claiming rumors of disease was the idle talk of the poor.

In Colorado, the closest people have gotten to learning about the incursion is talking in the paper about lights and sounds in the distance near Mammon's Gulch, but nobody's gone near because of talk of a sickness.

[dapper relic]

So most of the reason that kept people at bay from going and looking around in these areas was cause the Government said there's a sickness in those areas. If there was a talk of disease, what makes the Hunters that we play immune or have sort of lesser effect so special?

[real cedar]

Every Hunter that spends time in the incursion areas has to take an inoculation, a mix of occultism and chemistry (and demon fluids captured via human sacrifice) that gives them resistance to the sculptor's corruption. Those that don't take it either succumb quickly, or turn over weeks if they're especially resilient. A select few are naturally immune, which initially baffled the AHA members who came across the Redneck and his family.

The inoculation also makes Hunters sterile, as an earlier version that didn't do that could birth monsters like the Meathead if the blood serum was given to a woman who later got pregnant

[dapper relic]

Oh wow that gnarly, So this AHA, is like a shadow government that is trying to investigate these current events of the infected area, and by doing so we are given bounty missions to hunt these monsters for them?

[real cedar]

They're a centuries old organization dedicated to hunting the paranormal, with rather powerful benefactors that aren't too well explained in the narrative, but the Louisiana chapter of the AHA broke apart under the the weight of infighting and other stuff while trying to handle this incident. The AHA seemingly continues to be a thing down the line, but as it is currently, Hunters are all doing their own thing and getting paid for their bounties by the even more rich and mysterious Backers.

[dapper relic]

oh neato, and that could explain the reason why in hunt we can fight other players in a narrative aspect correct?

[real cedar]

Yeah, there's only one of each boss active at any given time so all these people who are crazy enough to kill monsters for money and (used to) have ineffective oversight from the AHA began to just shoot each other to get paydays. Factions formed for protection along different belief lines, and the fighting got to the point that the default assumption of each Hunter is to shoot first rather than work together, same as in the game.

[dapper relic]

The more you know and thank you for answering some of my questions.

[fickle sluice]

I am not quite sure if it wasn't always "the Backers" who actually financed the AHA. Re-reading the Tide of Desolation Story made me question that. Because:

1. A character I'd assume is the Statesman already shows up: "When I looked up, there stood a man in a suit with long coat tails. [...] He had my respect for sneaking so quietly through the bramble, so I obliged. We went to a train car made into a small outpost. The man smelled of earthen depths that should never be touched, covered up with perfume. He was an animal if animals sought to mate with money. "
   That sounds a whole lot like the Statesman to me.

and 2, he's saying: "Now, I know Finch departed this world with somewhat of a shaky reputation," he went on. "But the operation you Hunters are set upon extends far and wide. So, I've come down to offer assurances. Bounties will still be paid. The parties I represent would hate for harvesting to diminish."

He seems to be aware of what happened inside the AHA, he's saying that bounties will still be paid, but seems to distance himself by calling them "you Hunters", in reference to the whole AHA. Far and wide doesn't really seem like a reference to Louisiana to me.
Of course, "bounties will still be paid" could mean that either they always paid them out (maybe just by proxy, if they bought them from the AHA) or that the Backers will cover pay-out for the bounties directly from now on. I'm tending towards the Backers always being the financiers of the AHA. They seem to have been involved before, because the parties "would hate for harvesting to diminish." That would explain the name and how a shadow-organization can be financed over centuries without involving the government in recent times.

[orchid tangle]

if we're lucky story challenges will have story...

[granite shard]

Tbh I don’t think the tailcoat guy and the statesman are the same person. Tailcoat guy was a lot more stable and kind than the statesman was

[fickle sluice]

Woops, that message just got blocked. Understandably so.

Honestly, I think it fits. "He was an animal if animals sought to mate with money". Statesman was always very composed and proper, as long as Hardin and He had their little ... "appendage" measuring contest and seeing who can outsmart who.

[verbal escarp]

I thought statesman was vombuz

The streamer

[fickle sluice]

no

[verbal escarp]

I mean they added post Malone why not 😂

[uneven bolt]

Higuera is the latina that you can upgrade #represent

the tier 3 is cool af actually

if only the cape didnt clip as much into stuff

if you die on some wood floors you are basically permadead

[brittle patrol]

I feel Antonia tier1 looks worldweary, like she has seen too much $#!&. in her life, which does fit the vibe of the game. The other ones feel more optimistic somehow, like she enjoys being a hunter. I find tier 2 most iconic. Tier 3 looks cool too but i confuse her often with Hail Mary

[uneven bolt]

The glasses and shi, I can see that

[brittle patrol]

i do like the glasses, they make everyone cooler 🔫 😎 🔪

[uneven bolt]

I want my bandanas hunter back

😭

dont lock em under prestige 🥀

[real cedar]

Clear look at the next Lunar New Year Hunter, with what looks like yet another Mosin skin.

I kinda like the design, not crazy about the mask but it's a clean looking skin that seems to fit the theme they're going for. Definitely better than Zhuge Liu

[granite shard]

I believe the mask is a reference to a popular chinese movie

my understanding is there was a lot of collaboration with the chinese side of the community for the design of this guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_the_Bullets_Fly

apparently there's a bit of a chinese pun going on too

(I was talking with a friend from the cn side of the community about him)

I think the basis of the pun is the ma in mahjohng and the ma in mafei (horse thief) is apprently similar so like mahjong thief/horse thief

[real cedar]

Hm, I would've assumed it was something more traditional, it looks rather monk-like, similar to the Buddhist Komusō.

[granite shard]

yeah the outfit is deffo older since the setting for the movie is like 24 years past hunt's setting

deffo not a reference I would have understood without chatting w the cn side of the community lol

[real cedar]

For sure.
I wonder if the reference will extend to the weapons the horse thief gets? Mosin/Dolch for the true sweat 😂

[granite shard]

lmao

one day I will get the guandao bomb lance skin of my dreams

[earnest jungle]

STORY CONTENT IS RETURNING TO THE GAME!

[noble scarab]

Story “challenges” pick a side and earn another mosin skin

[earnest jungle]

It’s something ain’t it

[fickle sluice]

the hunter in the pic seems cool

[orchid tangle]

maybe

I have a fear it'll be like trials where the story is just something like "billy story used to shoot people with a derringer.... okay kill 5 people with a 4-shot derringer"

[granite shard]

I’m hoping it’s cool

We need a win on the lore side of things

[real cedar]

Seems like it'll be an evolution of the Judgement of the Fool story where players might get to influence the narrative. Idk if this is the way to go, from the community events we've seen so far, they're extremely hard to balance. The Unquiet Dead won this current PvP contest before the event page was even released simply because more players were already playing the skins involved, and momentum has carried them through.

If there was some way to make sure that only those who have read the community event are the ones being counted as participating, that would make things at least level, minus the problems with extra incentives tipping the scales.

[noble scarab]

Or if they just put the community event counters and info somewhere useful

Give it its own tab in the menu and like a free random daily item or something if you check it out, something like a free medkit or cheap gun

[real cedar]

Also that, the current home screen is an improvement but the news feed box isn't structured to deliver important info to players reliably, there's 6+ bundle sale tabs in it and only 2 community event tabs, and the order of them doesn't have a hierarchy of importance.
They mentioned wanting to put a community event tab in the game in the FAQ of these current events, so it seems like they understand the issues and just need more time to resolve em.

[noble scarab]

I still think the quests system had promise

[real dove]

This is being looked into

Simply, it wasn't something they could do this time

But likely coming

We did get an event blurb in game this time, so slow victories

[gilded umbra]

This looks very promising. I'm looking forward to everything mentioned here.

[noble scarab]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore/tagged/monsters/bileweavers

Bileweavers pt 2 is up

[deft storm]

Is Scott Lussier gone as the Game Design Director?

seems like that might be the case

[real cedar]

I don't typically pay attention to background stuff, last I heard from him was last December with the Post Malone stuff.
His insta profile says former design director and now studio lead though. It might've been a move around the same time as the restructuring.

[deft storm]

I don't usually either, I stumbled onto it a few months ago and I just remembered to ask....hope everything with his family is ok

could be a step in the right direction for Hunt

(if he's gone, I mean. I also hope he's not somehow a studio lead at Crytek)

[real dove]

He left

[deft storm]

[strange bane]

Sheesh

[analog pendant]

Hi syndi!

[strange bane]

Howdy howdy, plenty of new stuff to chew on from lore to the roadmap these days! Hope Y’all are doing good

[zenith perch]

I am glad no one died from this community event like the Pale Judge

-# I also think its cool that Lilith and Silver Spur work together

[remote dust]

Would've been funny if Lilith kicked the bucket off the bat though

Hey so we made this new character with ties to the Pale Ju- [gunshot]

A Hawkshaw Jack in the corner with a Mosin:

[real cedar]

The post in #latest-update-discussion that goes more into detail about the upcoming roadmap is pretty promising. Just seeing the word Story Challenge was hopeful but this sentence really sounds good (translated from Chinese):
The 2.6 update will be released in 2025. This 2.6 update will introduce another major in-game event, but I can't tell you the specific details yet. I can only tell you two important features: First, we will introduce story challenges, bringing back traditional demon-hunting stories and folk tales into the game.

[zenith perch]

I think that'll revitalize my love for the game

[deft storm]

I wonder what that means, "folk tales" and "trad demon hunting"...

please no Wendigo

[granite shard]

I think that’s translated from Chinese

So verbiage is slightly different from what we’d use

I would assume it means a return to what we had been seeing in the book of monsters as opposed to what we’ve gotten post 2.0

[worthy nova]

Do gritty, anti-hero or criminal character stories do well in chinese consumer culture? Or no…

[deft storm]

how swag tho

[granite shard]

I mean hunt has a very active and passionate Chinese fanbase

I’ve been hanging out on rednote this year largely in the hunt community and there’s a really passionate group of artists on there and people who are massive loreheads

[worthy nova]

Sculptor stuff always seemed like a unique type of entity though, I hope they don’t just stick to like…judeo-Christian “demons”. The whole sculptor—> boss monster —> banishment thing seems like it has unique rules. It would be cool if they developed that as an original dynamic.

[worthy nova]

Oh cool! Do they seem like righteous, lawful characters are better received? Or like…infamous pieces of crap like black coat?

Always curious how the rat / scum stuff plays across cultures haha

[granite shard]

Lulu and Sofia are really loved

People have their blorbos, one of my mutuals loves the prodigal daughter & son

Lilith is pretty popular

[deft storm]

hmm

[granite shard]

People really aren’t all that different, the popular characters are pretty popular everywhere

[deft storm]

kind of fascinating when a Tumblr mindset/mentality is applied to interpreting media

[granite shard]

How do you mean?

People have always had favorite characters that appeal to them, esp when lore is so limited in scope for 98% of the hunter cast

[worthy nova]

Interesting

[worthy nova]

I thought I’d heard at some point that foreign media featuring characters with poor morals was discouraged/ restricted in China, and given than most of the Hunt characters have checkered pasts / are violent cutthroats / or are cursed, I was curious how that plays over there, is all…

[orchid tangle]

lulu and sofia are really easy to like they're some of the 5 characters humanized past being crazies

[granite shard]

I mean there is a lot of misinformation, plus it’s not like they live in a vacuum where they can only consume state approved media

Like yeah there might be laws and regulations abt media but that doesn’t stop people from wanting stories that are complex or violent

[worthy nova]

Sure, I just wasn’t sure how much overlap there was between government edict & general consumer culture. Different cultures DO like different things, as similar as we are. I was just curious.

[granite shard]

People really just do be people everywhere

[worthy nova]

I am definitely not saying they’re not

[orchid tangle]

I really can't imagine they'd put a lot of work into making foreign places seem more moralized/better unless I'm misunderstanding. I can't imagine any country doing that

[granite shard]

Yeah just saying that we’re all just really similar despite everything

[worthy nova]

You can recognize common humanity and acknowledge cultural differences though, that’s fine. It’s good they’re enjoying Hunt!

[granite shard]

I mean yeah there’s cultural differences, I just don’t think “the government has mandated we don’t show media that depicts xyz” as a cultural difference

Like people in China still really like isekai stories but they’re illegal in China lol

[worthy nova]

and like I said - wasn’t sure how much of that overlapped with general consumer culture

[granite shard]

Yeah I was just explaining how it doesn’t really

[worthy nova]

Ok

[granite shard]

Zhuge Liu interestingly wasnt super loved in China

A lot of people thought her design was kinda confused, which is why we see this mahjong guy being a much more direct homage to a movie the cn community really likes and whatnot

[worthy nova]

Mahjong guy is the new lunar event character?

[granite shard]

Yeah

[worthy nova]

Did they release a render of him? Or not yet? (Having trouble finding one..)

[granite shard]

They did yeah, rai posted it the other day. One moment I’ll grab it

[worthy nova]

Ah thanks, interesting!

[granite shard]

Yeah of course

[worthy nova]

I was looking at Hunt social media yesterday for it too.Thank you both

[orchid tangle]

oh shit finally new mosin skin

[worthy nova]

Didn’t know what a blorbo was

[granite shard]

Blorbo is like someone’s favorite character

[deft storm]

what is the movie?

[granite shard]

Let the bullets fly

[deft storm]

wow

[icy brook]

Wausers spotted

[worthy fern]

Am I remembering correctly that at some point crytek added lore in game explaining why hunters mostly shoot on site?

[noble scarab]

greed/lack of trust/more greed/different ideology

same reason we as players do really

i know that other guy is gonna shoot me if he sees me, so im going to shoot him first

[worthy fern]

yes but I mean didnt Crytek write an actual lore entry about how hunters have adopted a shoot first mentality?

[icy brook]

I’m convinced some of the legendary hunters aren’t even there to hunt bosses as a primary concern, they are just in infection zones to hunt people (understandable)

[gilded umbra]

Men and women are the most ruthless monsters in Hunt.

[orchid tangle]

idk if theres much reason to add lore

go out in an unpopulated area people are dying 24/7
I have a gun, I am confident in my gun, other people are competing against me for my payout, there are no police or anything like that around here and there would be no investigations into an area like this

[icy brook]

There is no hunting like the hunting of man

[acoustic whale]

can we get an 1896 style taylor swift skin?

or atleast a Cardi b one

they would sell like hot cakes

[real dove]

No thanks

[deft storm]

Celebs will need to pass a few bare minimum standards

visible face tattoos, or be Blumhouse-level slop horror icons

my pick: Lil Wayne

[acoustic whale]

Lil Wayne could actually fit into the lore because of the AHA like tattoos

[dusk token]

Legendary hunter: young money

Born in the swamps, Dwayne Carter spent his time between writing poetry training. When the plague finally arrived to his home, he was ready. Taking his Families shotgun and whatever he could find. He quickly rose to fame for seemingly faking his own death. Falling off the face of the earth only to reappear as a new carter. Now, as Carter 6, he roams the swamps, looking for anyone who may challenge him.

(he would have a legendary mosin nagant and a stamina shot for cosmetics

[granite shard]

this guy's new right?

[topaz hollow]

What is that light

[granite shard]

bayou rave

[topaz hollow]

Thats Mammons Gulch, the only light that it seen like that at night is fire from big Immolator right?

[granite shard]

mountain rave*

[main plank]

What is that weapon ?

[granite shard]

lebel I believe

that's what people are saying in hunt gen

[topaz hollow]

It is a Lebel yeah, but something is off about it, I thought it was the Marksman variant, but I dont know if that thing with the white dots is the scope or something else

[icy brook]

It looks like it has the tacticool shell holder on the left hand side attached to the forearm

[fickle sluice]

maybe a reskin of the viper?

[granite shard]

I don't think they have a skin with a shovel on their back or that type of cloak

[fickle sluice]

no, I mean to bring them back as a "new" skin for an event

[granite shard]

based on the scaled warrior/skinner they don't seem to be making any large model adjustments, just texture adjustments

[strange bane]

As far as possibilities go, anything can happen. My guess would be the new hunter might be tied in some way to the upcoming Lunar New Year, which I think is year of the serpent this time around so the motif on the cape tracks.

[granite shard]

zhuge liu is for the year of the serpent. we're entering in the year of the horse & we've already seen a glimpse of him

[icy brook]

Peter

The year of the horse is here

[granite shard]

ah shit

the evil and intimidating horse

[strange bane]

Ahhhh okay my mistake! My wife’s folks celebrate it yearly so I lose track occasionally

Horse is good, am still hyped for that hunter as well that they showed in relation

I see why I made the mix up, we are still currently in the year of the wood serpent

Year of the Horse in Feb next year! Lol

[strange bane]

What do you guys and gals reckon the Tarot Reader warned the Hanged Man about the number 9 for? I looked it up , and major arcana for 9 is the Hermit

Could potentially be the 9 of minor cards as well, or another character associated with the Hermit

[fickle sluice]

only once I want to see an oracle in fiction being 100% off

[strange bane]

Oofa, I reckon it’s just because that’s the amount of times he was executed

I answered my own question like a dork

[strange bane]

Would make for interesting reading or watching

Flaws baked into characters make them more human

[supple smelt]

Something about him makes me think Chinese new year

[strange bane]

Certainly could be!!

[supple smelt]

2025 is the year of the snake but definitely too late for that lol

[strange bane]

Yeh , lol

[granite shard]

we've already seen our CNY guy so I don't think that's what he's for

[strange bane]

Am dunce

I really dig the Horse thief fella!

[supple smelt]

New dlc hunter maybe

Or maybe they’re teasing next event already

[strange bane]

Hopefully we get more lore in general, come what may

[supple smelt]

Anyone make out the gun?

[granite shard]

hunt gen thinks lebel

[supple smelt]

yeah looks like

With a skin though

plus the fire in the background probably has to do with inferno so I’m gonna guess next event

[strange bane]

I’d say Lebel or Mosin fs

Am excited to see Inferno return

We need more lebel skins , so my hope is it is a lebel lol

[supple smelt]

Notch on the back of the bolt matches lebel and its really the only gun with that style of bolt

If it’s a skin then those bullets on the side will be annoying for visibility

[fickle sluice]

The bullets on the side wouldn't really make sense as anything but visuals, tho. Unless they add another trait that allows long ammo to be even more dominant

[supple smelt]

maybe a variant but then why would it be made to look like a skin

[fickle sluice]

(and I don't want yet another pointless long ammo gun)

[fickle sluice]

wouldn't be the first time. iirc we saw other variants with skins before

[supple smelt]

Lebel with more reserve ammo doesn’t make much sense so I’m thinking it’s just a skin

Wouldn’t be the first skin with extra bullets on it

[fickle sluice]

skins are whatever. I don't mind them if they don't bring another twelve skins for the same 3 guns

[icy brook]

The Prodigal Daughter sharps skin has cartridges in a band on the stock, I have a feeling this skin has the same going on

[spiral mica]

The shovel on the back on this supposed new hunter makes me think of worm bite.

[coral trellis]

Might be serpent moon related.
"Pulls him back"
Snake on the cloak is my biggest evidence. Could be wrong tho.
Isn't the first time they'd bring back bp skins with different Variants.

[granite shard]

couldn't be if they're using he/him pronouns, the viper's pronouns are they/them

[icy brook]

It’s probably a second snake

A liquid snake if you will

[granite shard]

haha

I think valen's probably on the right trail tho, that shovel also makes me think worm bite

[supple smelt]

same when I first saw it

People said it could be a new melee weapon but I doubt

maybe like the sledgehammer has the railroad hammer the shovel will have the spade

[granite shard]

would be weird bc I don't feel like that would fill any particular niche

baseball bat skin maybe but I think it's probs more just part of the hunter's design

[supple smelt]

I agree

There’s not really that many avenues for new weapons the game can explore other than basically making iterations on the same concept

[granite shard]

yeah

for melee weapons I think at this point we're at the point where any future additions would need to be like the bomb lance

[supple smelt]

Gunsword

[granite shard]

where it starts having more going on

honestly yeah

[supple smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/toxiqueney-mannequinney-quingifs-stan-twitter-psychic-gif-8842565404833688774

Need gun sword

[granite shard]

trying to riff on a bloodborne trick weapon could be neat

(I am currently bloodborne pilled I am working my way through it rn so ofc that's where my mind immediately went lmao)

[supple smelt]

Existed historically too

not that it had any real wide use

[orchid tangle]

the only one that slightly resembles that is the wormwood or whatever his name is. The grave digger. He has a caped coat with a shovel and something else on his back but this guy is still too different

new hunter

[granite shard]

worm bite yeah, probs a new guy w a similar concept

[spiral mica]

I'd also be willing to believe it's worm bite himself in a different outfit. They've done that in the past with Drowned rat & kid. They also did it more recently with ward & skinned.

And dare I say they also did it with Post Malone.

The symbol on the back of the cloak also appears similar to the ones on the Empty cairn skin for the mosin nagant we just got for the unquiet dead challenge.

I can't really get a good look at the Lebel in the image, but if it is just worm bite in a different outfit he wouldn't be the only Christian themed hunter that prefers a lebel as a weapon choice.

[uneven bolt]

And still no shovel 💔

[real cedar]

It had wider use than initially assumed, in the 1860s it was a fairly popular private purchase for European officers to the point that the 1867 Paris Exposition reportedly had 30+ different gunsword models being showcased. The 7mm pinfire swordgun initially made by the Belgians had multiple manufacturers making upwards of 200-500 each going by the serial numbers. So between that and the expo, a couple thousand could have been made in the 1840s-1870s, making it almost as mass manufactured as the LeMat, though over a much longer period.
The upcoming game HUNGER is ahead of Hunt on adding it to their game.

[fickle sluice]

I firmly believe that the future is more whacky shite like the bomblance, instead of yet another marginally different long ammo, bolt-action rifle. I never understood how people think "Well, some might like the variety" is a valid argument, when the difference is literally two points of damage and a different look. But hey, I also firmly believe that any buff should come with a drawback, even traits. So wtf do I know

[real cedar]

I hope they limit themselves on wacky shit a little. The bomb launcher was nice, but when they started trying creative new additions we got the Shredder and the Chu Ko Nu.
Scarce weapons where it's just "X but better" is an interesting new dynamic though.

Heading backwards to civil war era guns like the Maynard and the Specter Carbine was also a solid move, though the sniper silencer was questionable.

[fickle sluice]

All within reason of course. But just to pick an example, what about the rail spike thrower from Fallout. Make it special ammo, give it some punch, make the spikes retrievable with some effort i.e. timer to pull out the spike and voila. Whacky, inoffensive shit.

[real cedar]

It'd have to be carefully tailored to not step on the crossbow, bow, and chukonu's toes while still being viable. If it's a straighter shot than the chuko but slower and lower capacity and still does 150 damage within 10m, that means the crossbow and chuko are nearly obsolete except for their special ammos. Or maybe it's just rather expensive compared to those two, equivalent to a slate with slugs but bleed?

[fickle sluice]

This was just something thrown in because it popped up when I thought about what's out there. Balancing is a difficult task and even professionals get it wrong sometimes, so I don't say that I have a solution for this. I just think the wiggle room for "kinda long range rifle" is getting sparce.

Or in other, less charitable words: I think we have gun bloat

Best example are the mosin carbines. Who the fuck wanted that?

[real cedar]

It seems like they wanted carbines to be a new grouping but I haven't quite seen the justification for the category's existence.
Gun bloat is definitely where we're at, with a few exceptions such as medium ammo pistols, they could use one or two more such as either the Remington 1858 or the Webley.
The constant need for a niche has led to rather strange additions the past year. Krag silencer, maynard silencer, chuko, the mosin carbines, auto-4, revive bolts

[fickle sluice]

I don't really think most of your examples are filling a niche. They are more like straight up- or at least side-grades to already good / very good guns.

Personally I think they need to rethink the broader gun categories and what they are supposed to do in the game, before adding anything new. Granted, personal taste and a vague feeling of "the gun being right" goes a long way. I am a lot better with the Vetterli than with most long ammo rifles. But from the perspective of a layman, that's not a good metric to build something around.

In pure stats, there's no reason for me to bring a Vetterli over a Mosin - bar my personal disdain for that particular piece of scrap.

[real cedar]

Most of them are filling a very thin niche. Long ammo silenced repeater, scoped silenced, semi-auto crossbow, semi-auto 2 slot shotgun, and the Mosin Match only exists to facilitate the mosin sharpeye, though that doesn't fill a niche as the Berthier already did the long ammo deadeye repeater. Is "budget mosin" a niche? Doubtful.

One random thing I kinda hope for is for Crytek to increase gun bloat without actually affecting how many guns are in the game. Why not add a Mauser that has different sounds and animations but is literally a mosin or mosin match? Why not add a Murata Type 13 that's just a reskinned martini-henry? It ultimately comes down to taste at that point. Idk how exactly they'd do it, either as a new type of purchasable cosmetic or something, but it'd be a new way to introduce variety without touching the game's balance, minus the temporary pickrate changes that comes with all new additions.

[fickle sluice]

I wouldn't call that a niche. It's basically just enabling an already good gun to intrude into another gun's speciality.

"A mosin with a german skin" is not good enough for me. I don't need that. Dressing up one gun as another without any meaningful differences is pointless to me.

[real cedar]

It is pretty pointless, but it's also speaking to taste as you mentioned with the vetterli. Though it's probably a pipe dream as why wouldn't Crytek's animation and modeling guys be working on something that's truly new content people can get excited for. but then going that way you still get pointless sidegrades that intrude or wacky things that yearn for new niches.
Speaking of, I wonder what they're doing to fix the shredder as they mentioned it'll return. Is just removing the homing and explosives enough, or will they keep the explosive and homing but make it a single shot?

[fickle sluice]

The one thing that pissed me off about the shredder was the homing. Other than that it was just another weapon I can deal with. It was pretty limited in its use. But anything like homing bullshit should stay out of the game

[real cedar]

On the lore side it also felt very weird. Magical runes are just a thing people can put on a weapon to change how it works? Most things up til then had been esoteric. Put markings on a gun because you believe it'll help somehow but it's still just a gun. Perform long, intensive rituals to actually produce unreliable magical effects in text but don't showcase wild magic too much in game (though that also changed with shadow leap, shadow crush, blademancer, and now the tarot cards).

[supple smelt]

The lemat was a commercial failure and sold more over a shorter time, while they did exist they were definitely not prominent

[supple smelt]

yeah I feel like at this point they should just add weapons for flavour, no need for gimmicks unless the gun itself has one

like there's revolvers that have the quick ejection of the scottfield but retain unshot rounds

[real cedar]

Partly my point, a commercial failure that's interesting is good enough to get in Hunt, so a sword-revolver that was a trendy thing for a period in the 1860s is probably good enough too. The other comparison to make would be the Drilling, which wasn't even mass produced at the time and instead were commission pieces.

[supple smelt]

ejects shot rounds

keeps the unshot ones

[real cedar]

Holy shit

Just the style of pushing forward to unload makes that worth putting in, that's so cool

[supple smelt]

and it's an 1880s revolver

Scottfield is already pretty terrible imo, either this as its most expensive variant or a new gun entirely would be cool

[tall lava]

It's interesting how focused people seem to be on the hunter and the weapon they're holding in the teaser and not paying attention to certain other thing in the same image 😄

Not gonna directly point it out as I want to see how long it takes others to realize, and as far as I can see it hasn't been mentioned yet

[real cedar]

Oh I think I see it now

[mint wind]

Hey guys remember how the Circus was there last year ?

[real cedar]

Nope, doesn't ring a bell

[fickle sluice]

yeah that could be a tent behind the pines

[earnest jungle]

I’d love for my favorite cowboy gun to be added to the game

[earnest jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/plnkfr1day-gif-22197847

[noble scarab]

New community event? And it’s another mosin skin

[granite shard]

Looks like they’re like agnostic skins for the lines

[noble scarab]

They are

They didn’t pick amazing skins to make agnostics

[granite shard]

yeah the mosin ones are much more to my taste unfortunately

which stinks bc I'm a berthier stan

[noble scarab]

The mako and lebel are neglected

I like the mako, I just wish it had a tiny bit more fire rate, and maybe 2-3 extra ammo

Plus both guns need skins for their aperture variants

The level has 1, that I think is non event, and the mako had its event skin

Not to mention the talon

[granite shard]

I would love to see other lammo rifles nerfed instead of the mako buffed

[noble scarab]

That is also acceptable

[granite shard]

will forever die on the hill that the other lammo rifles should have been nerfed to compete w the krag instead of the krag being buffed to compete with them

[noble scarab]

The krag was fine before

[granite shard]

yeah

[spiral mica]

I agree with that

I made a post in game suggestions the other day suggesting to revert krag back to 124 damage, but also give it the 12 rounds it used to have instead of the 10 it has currently because let's face it every long ammo gun in the game doesn't need to do what the mosin does, but slightly worse.

The mosin obrez match was also such a weird addition to the game, and with it being a full slot weapon I almost never see it being used.

[noble scarab]

We could just nerf the mosin

But also I like the match deadeye