lore-discussion

[granite shard]

Grotesque would have been a mediocre evolving hunter but he still would have fit the concept, red hood is the same sort of thing

[spiral mica]

Yeah and I'm not saying they're bad hunter skins. I'd take Grotesque over Post Malone and Ghostface any day of the week but I feel like with Grotesque and some of the other new hunters they could do more to make them appear different from already existing hunters. Silver spur is a good example of a newer hunter being visually unique.

Also, to answer your question I'm pretty sure there's lore regarding him in the traitor's moon event but I wasn't around for that event so I couldn't give you much insight on that. I think Meridian Trenchcoat is also French or so I've heard from people that play him. I believe he's also a reference to Cormac McCarthy's novel, Blood Meridian.

[eternal grove]

I see. Appreciate the feedback.
I'll check it out.

[noble scarab]

i dont think hes in traitors moon aside from the promos

we just have what little there is on his steam page and weapon descriptions

traitors moon was all chary and kev

[granite shard]

Yeah it was only with serpent’s moon that we started seeing hunters being used in the promo and in the story itself

[spiral mica]

Be sure to check this channel's pinned messages too. A user by the name of Rai put together a two-part Hunt Compendium and I believe most of the info regarding Meridian Trenchcoat is compiled in the first part.

[granite shard]

TM also had Mary ochenkov

[spiral mica]

You're right, I got traitor's and serpents mixed up, and looking back it was only promo.

[upbeat kiln]

It is immensely disappointing.

[real cedar]

I think the tokens are body parts rather than coins, they've never been physically described except in an early Dev Q&A saying they're body parts, and that they can be stored in barrels and rolled over knuckles. A pen can do that as much as a coin can

[spiral mica]

You've mentioned this concept before and I remember comparing it to the D-series body parts you find in Resident evil 7. Would you say they're the body parts of the bosses we hunt and kill or a body part that doesn't actually belong to the bosses but something different?

[earnest jungle]

In the old old old OLD lore the bounty was an organ that was a fragment of the Boss monsters soul

[real dove]

coin shaped organ

sorry lol

[earnest jungle]

What is actually happening when we banish a boss is actually never really explained so it’s difficult to actually pin down what the bounty actually is and what its relationship is to the bosses and the sculptor.

On the topic of bounty tokens being coins I like to imagine that those coins work like the gold pressed latinum in DS9 where the bounty is not the token itself but is instead incased in the token after being refined/concentrated or something

I do actually quite like the idea of the bounty being the bottled up ashes of what isn’t burned away after banishing the boss back to the land of the dead.

[warm quartz]

I think the point is e don't know what it is

Except that some people apparently eat it

[real dove]

well the dude who was force fed it got turned into the hotjaw

so dont think its good for you

[earnest jungle]

I’ve stated this before but my going theory is that the Hellbourne is basically an immolator but super charged by a bounty token.

Setting aside the visual similarities between the Immolator and the Hellbourne there are some very obvious parallels between Delacroix and Reverend Jeremy Byrne.

They were both men with a strong sense of right and wrong who died angry violent deaths

The difference is that Dacroix had a lot more to draw on than just the ambient powers of the swamp.

[real cedar]

From what I've read, it seems to be a part of the bosses' body. From the Oct 15 2018 Q&A:

A: It’s a unique part of their body containing part of their soul.```

[high stone]

The real prize is the chocolate inside

[spiral mica]

Interesting, so it doesn't actually ever specify particular body parts just that it's a piece of a bosses body containing part of their soul?

[real cedar]

Yup. It could be a gland, a calcified bone-like thing, a hunk of meat, anything.

[spiral mica]

I guess it would be a smaller organ or something instead of a whole arm or a leg.

Or maybe it could even be an object off the boss like Scrapbeak's mask which could be considered a part of the boss's body.

[orchid tangle]

is john victor a good person, I'm wondering cuz I was talking about wanting more nice hunters, his description sells him off as... better than most, but idk if theres other lore

[real cedar]

He gang-pressed a teenage girl into the Hunter's society through blackmail and forcibly injected The Mountie with the inoculation after shooting up a NWMP encampment. It doesn't say everything about his other ethical limits, but at least in service of recruitment for the AHA he has few qualms.

[earnest jungle]

When did he do that first one?

[orchid tangle]

oh okayyy!!!

[earnest jungle]

Also the word you’re looking for is press-ganged

Not gang-pressed

That’s… something else…

[orchid tangle]

I had a different mental image at first

yeah

[real cedar]

Interview with Adélaïde Dessalines, the Vetterli Cyclone mastery story.

[orchid tangle]

I just need to put a ngiht aside to read everything in the pin

[spiral mica]

Recruitment levels must be horrible if he's doing all that

[orchid tangle]

I meannnn

the AHA is terrible at doing it's job tbh

[earnest jungle]

I’m not sure I would consider this blackmail

[real cedar]

Extortion, same diff

I guess it depends on if you view the pause between paragraphs as meaning Victor spoke, or if the three paragraphs there are all just her speaking

[earnest jungle]

There’s not really any other way to read the conversation; it clearly says at the top that the interviewer’s questions have been omitted from the transcript.

And given this is being transcribed I think it’s reasonable to say that this girl is already in police custody under suspicion of murder

She is already an experienced Hunter so John gives her a choice: she can take her chances with the courts or she can come work for the AHA

[orchid tangle]

take my chances with aha and then run to mexico instantly

[earnest jungle]

I guess this is still a form of coercion though as the threat of being tried, convicted, and executed by the state of Louisiana is the alternative

And it’s not as if the US doesn’t have a history of sentencing juveniles to death

[orchid tangle]

why deal with anyone in a complex law system when you can just off them

[limpid bobcat]

wait what? where did they say that?

[orchid tangle]

the scorched earth story they were placing them in peoples mouths and shit

iirc grizzly lodge has a stash of them

[sinful bloom]

I'm surprised we didn't get any voiced lore the event like we did with scorched earth

[granite shard]

They seem to be done with doing that

[rugged harbor]

which I hate that they are >:(

[granite shard]

Yeah

[sinful bloom]

That sucks kinda curious to see what other hunters sounded like

[earnest jungle]

Oh new Tinfoil hat time: they removed the book of weapons and monsters so they wouldn’t have to explain why the new guns and wildcard bounty weren’t getting any lore

[spiral mica]

There's probably a multitude of reasons why they removed the books and I'm sure one of them is so they wouldn't have to spend so much time and effort writing new entries and focus more on events and new gameplay mechanics. What they failed to realize is that there wasn't any need to outright remove the lore books from the game, even if they weren't going to continue writing new entries for it. Preferably new entries would've been nice but they still could've kept all the old entries in with the new UI.

Like yeah, it would've been a little weird to still have the lore books in the game but completely halt new entries but still having all the old entries avaliable to read at any time would've been perfectly fine.

Either way, none of this would've been necessary in the first place if they hadn't decided to flush the narrative down the shitter.

[native marlin]

^ only thing id say about this is knowing how the hunt playerbase works, theyd be asking and complaining about it even if they commented on it, so i could maybe understand why theyd remove it to have that not happen, but god i wish it stayed

[earnest jungle]

I'M SORRY WHAT DESALLE, LAWSON, AND STILLWATER BAYOU ARE ALL ON THE SAME 70 MILE CANAL!

That is that is UUUUUUUUUUUGH!

That means the mountains of DeSalle are located somewhere HERE in that red circle

[spiral mica]

I mean, given how many people pop in this channel from time to time and ask stuff like "where'd the books go?" or "where'd the lore go?" I would think the majority of the player base would actually be in favor of some sort of lore tab dedicated to all the previous entries and even previous event stories. Sure, there'd probably be some players that would no doubt complain but I would think in regards to a situation that a few complaints like that wouldn't prevent them from adding something like this into the game.

[native marlin]

i honestly have no clue, gotta remember the discourd is full of people who often like hunt a bit more then normal, and people who like lore will seek it out, all i know is they have more data, so if they decided the lore wasnt worth the time or whatever, they prob have the numbers to back it up

[spiral mica]

I definitely won't rule out the possibility that you're right about the data they possess but let's also look at the fact that Hunt as game depicts a very specific time period in history and enriches that piece of history with certain fictitious themes. I think that concept draws a lot of people into playing this game and by extension gets people into the lore of the game.

[native marlin]

you may very well be right, i personally love the lore, i just cant comment on how many people care/ how much they care, i just wish crytek and people cared, thats all

[spiral mica]

I think people do care but lack the avaliable tools and resources to generate any sort of real change. Many ideas good and bad fall through the cracks and are never picked up again and it's unfortunate.

Like, I have tons of ideas and thoughts but don't currently possess the knowledge, funds or notoriety to generate my ideas into something presentable to other people to enjoy and criticize. I'd like to think I have the aptitude and ambition but I lack motivation based on the aforementioned problems with the creation of my ideas and I think many other aspiring creators also share in this issue.

That's also not even mentioning how competitive the entertainment industry is and how your cherished ideas can just end up falling on deaf ears. However, that shouldn't stop people's aspirations at all.

[earnest jungle]

Okay so I think I've pieced together the story of Fiona and Lewis DeSalle

Lewis DeSalle was the younger brother of Darrin DeSalle, a wastrel, drunkard, and failed writer whose only real talent lay in plagiarism

Lewis has had a crush on Fiona since childhood that later bloomed into a possesive homicidal obsession with the young girl.

Lewis stalked Fiona for months, first harassing her with letters then stalking the men she talked to and murdering them: offering their souls to the wishing well to try and make Fiona Love him again

Given letters adressed to Fiona are found in Pearl Plantation I suspect that either a) Lewis began intercepting Fiona's mail, or b) at some point Lewis kidnapped and/or murdered Fiona and came into the letters that way

Unsurprisingly Lewis' behavior was enabled by the Sheriff of DeSalle Wayne Hardin, and his brother Darrin. Their failure to take Lewis' stalking serious allowed him to escalate from harassing letters where he blamed her for his own failings to escalate into the numerous homicides that may very well have culminated in Lewis murdering Fiona.

There are some bumps to be ironed out. A letter posted by The Essence of Darkness and Evil on April, 17th 2022 indicates that Frank wanted to purchase Pearl Plantation and that Darrin was considering the offer.

Lewis mentions that he wants to restore the delapidated estate that his brother has allowed to fall into desrepair but this makes little sense.

Lewis is the owner of the Estate not his brother and it was he who let it rot because he wanted nothing to do with the legacy of the Plantation,

Some of this can of course be explained

And there are multiple posibilities

1. What Lewis meant was that his brother was trying to convice him to sell the dilapodated estate

2. Lewis is lying to make himself look better and absolve himself or responsibility for the currrent state of the plantation

3. Lewis is suffering a manic episode that has caused him to forget that he does not actually want the Plantation because his mind is consumed with his obsessive desire for his childhood days with Fiona

Anyway for the sake of documentation I’m going to see if I can track down the letter essence posted three years ago

Oh wait DeSalle isn’t in rotation so I can’t

Piss

[earnest jungle]

Oh and aprops of nothing: so the Panic of 1893 was in fact the worst economic depression in American history prior to the Great Depression of 1928 and the effects of that depression could be felt until 1897

The surge of hunters in Colorado and Louisiana can be explained in part by this economic crash

[earnest jungle]

Also the reason why hunt dollars are represented with silver coins is because in 1890 the United States minted 4.5 million dollars worth of silver coins per month at an exchange ratio with gold of 16:1.

These silver dollars were insanely overvalued as the market ration at this time would have been about 30:1

In other words if you exchanged a silver dollars for a gold dollar you have effectively doubled your money because despite the government valuing the coins equally the market value for gold is double that of the silver

This causes gold to disappear from circulation because good money chases out the bad. Silver is overvalued so you spend it, gold is under valued so you don’t.

[earnest jungle]

Why did I make this?

I have lost control of my life

[noble scarab]

Glad to see Cain in the does not use money tier

[granite shard]

they canonically sold out the primal pact for money in desolation's wake

[noble scarab]

I bet hunters would use bullets or guns as a currency as well

[spiral mica]

That was Iron bark not Cain

[granite shard]

there was a deleted message

someone had questioned some money stuff w iron bark

[spiral mica]

I also like how you put bloody red with the wolf hood and without the wolf hood in two separate tiers as if to insinuate she is a completely different person when she's in "wolf form."

[spiral mica]

Ah that makes sense. Personally, I took that bit of story in desolation's wake as Iron bark's desire to join civilized society and or his desire to stay relevant in the face of the massive industrial revolution that America is currently undergoing.

[granite shard]

honestly I'm not really looking that deep into it, I'm mostly noting that they were willing to sell out the primal pact for $$$ lol

[earnest jungle]

I think you answered your own question

I couldn’t remember if it was waldman or ironbark who sold them out

[spiral mica]

Was that actually your intention though because I wasn't sure if it was 😂

[earnest jungle]

It was

[spiral mica]

And yeah it was definitely Iron bark but if I had to put Waldmann in a pact he feels like a wilderness kind of guy to me.

Sometimes I like to give pacts to hunters that otherwise don't have one and what's funny is for awhile I was putting people like Felis and Howl into Primal even before desolation's wake.

[earnest jungle]

Anyway I figure most American Hunters, and most foreign hunters outside of Europe are going to be supporters of Free Silver because Silver was the dominant currency in most of the world.

Following the crash of 1893 Free Silver was seen as a potential solution to the economic crisis and the Gold Standard was identified with bankers and industrialists and robber barrons

During the crash deflation and unemployment were rampant and the Silverites argued that the unlimited coinage of silver dollars would trigger inflation which would be beneficial for the economy.

While supporters of the gold standard believed the production of overvalued silver would drive the undervalued gold coinage out of circulation.

Ultimately I decided that gold standard hunters would be a mixture of those hunters from countries that were already on the gold standard, businessmen, the tools of businessmen, north easterners, and people who had their own personal reasons for supporting gold over silver.

Scarecrow for example supports the gold standard out of spite because he was crucified by wheat farmers for stealing food and wheat farmers in the south and west tended to support free silver

[spiral mica]

Scarecrow is like this zealot for the Demented pact. He was beaten and stuffed into a Scarecrow, strung up and left to hang for stealing. He was there when the very same people that punished him turned viciously on each other which lead to his freedom and took that as a sign of divine intervention from the Sculptor. I think somebody like Scarecrow would value his religious service to a cosmic being over any form of currency and wealth.

[icy brook]

All this talk of coinage, here are a few quarter pieces that could have been in circulation during Hunt, the first is an 1853 and the second is an 1877, both feature lady liberty in a seated position with the eagle and shield on the opposite surface

[spiral mica]

That's pretty cool. My family has loads of old coins but they're mostly as early as 1923

[deft storm]

those Desalle poster jokes giving big "420 69 Dogecoin" dipshit energy

[earnest jungle]

Thanks I hate it

Almost as much as I love the scenic DeSalle mountains of the Mississippi River Delta

They should have just scratched away the number so it was illegible

I do wonder if Blanchett Bayou is every going to be an actual map or if it will remain a little easter egg.

[spiral mica]

I think we've established that a group of German developers in Frankfurt probably don't have the best grasp on localized American geographical data. My headcanon is that Stillwater and Lawson are in the south most region of Louisiana and DeSalle is just Arkansas for me.

[spiral mica]

DeSalle is really great and probably my favorite map but geographically it's a complete mess. Most of the southern compounds feel like the Bayou with the Flora but also feature rocky crags and elevation similar to the environments you'd find in a place like Arkansas or even Missouri. I think particularly Kingsnake mine and Reeves Quarry are the most problematic but other locations like Darin Shipyard also have noticeably large amounts of rocky elevation and are even located at the south most region of the map, too.

[earnest jungle]

Could also be located on the Mississippi Louisiana border but yeah it definitely feels more Arkansas to me

[earnest jungle]

OH MY GOD!

WYATT PRESTON IS THIS UNIVERSE'S JOHN D ROCKERFELLER

[tiny plover]

Me waiting for the a Scribe to scan and translate, lmao

[tiny plover]

Also, forgive me, Preston was the bozo who sent people into the Hellborne holes, yes? Didnt know his name was Wyatt.

[tiny plover]

To their credit, it is alt history with supernatural elements. For all we know, the Application Mountains dont exist in the Hunt World. Why? Old God shit, fuckers LITERALLY walked away in 40 B.C. .

Topography only sorta kinda has to be accurate. Besides, I think they did a bang up job on CO, so sorta makes up for it

Now if they manage to connect some of the OTHER parts of CO that are vastly diffrent enviornments and go "Yeah its all in the same county / mountain range" but you have like, the fucking desert, that could be beans. There are places like that in CO, but not like Mamon's Gulch, if Im not mistaken. Ive only been to CO once, so grain of salt.

[real cedar]

It's not so much alt-history as it is historical fiction. They haven't said any piece of history or geography is missing in the world, everything has been additive and designed to blend with the general irl understanding of history. The Appalachians do get mentioned once in the Centennial mastery story Local Folklores.

[real cedar]

The whole thing is in the compendium under Mooresville Intelligencer, but here's the pertinent bit Rexi mentioned:

An adopted son of our fair town, oilman Wyatt Preston, turned the first shovelful of soil on the construction of a new orphanage for the children of miners and oil workers left parentless in the wake of the fever that swept through Mammon’s Gulch. Preston generously purchased the site for the orphanage and has vowed to pay for not only the construction of the building, but also for the care, feeding, and schooling of all the children to be housed there. Preston’s generosity has long been a hallmark of his association with the town. Several children who will eventually be homed at the orphanage were also at the groundbreaking ceremony and took part.```

[granite shard]

also I think felis was originally from appalachia, west virginia to be precise

that might be the same lore bit you're referencing rai

[real cedar]

It is, ye

[earnest jungle]

Actually I was referencing that add at the bottom “Oil and Kerosene Preston Standard” which I took to be a play on Standard Oil

[earnest jungle]

Any ideas on what the Stam shot and Health Shot are?

[violet turtle]

So I've heard that the hunters are almost like an organization or buisness would someone mind explaing what the hunters actually are?

And how they obtain there abilities

[earnest jungle]

This is a bit of a long question so buckle up I'll try to give you the abreviated history;

[violet turtle]

Okay cool

[earnest jungle]

To uninitiated outsiders the AHA is a simple hunting lodge, but in truth the AHA is an organization deticated to studying and combating supernatural threats. Hunters are bounty hunters contracted by the AHA (or organizations like them) to hunt down and deal with monsters.

Prior to 1895 the AHA had three known branches in Louisiana, New York, and I believe somewhere out west. The Director of the AHA at the time was Philip Huff Jones who was the real life Superintended of the East Louisiana State Hospital also known as the Assylum at Jackson which was used as the AHA's headquarters.

By the time the game takesplace in 1896 however neither the Louisiana nor the New York branches of the AHA really exist anymore.

The AHA collapsed into civil war in the Summer of 1895 and was officially dissolved by it's last General Director Elwood Finch prior to his death at the hands of the previous director Orwell Chary.

[violet turtle]

Damn this game has alot more lore than I expected is there like a youtuber that has covered all this with accurate representations of the lore

[earnest jungle]

And here's the rub: all of that lore is gone from the game and all narrative work has basically stopped since 1896 dropped. There are various YouTubers you can watch I'm obliged to recomend Hazmat since I've done some unoffically work with him, and Rai has basically all of the lore catalogued in a google doc in the pinned comments.

[violet turtle]

Yeah I've seen some people have complained about the book of monsters and stuff getting removed but I'll have to check that guy out

[orchid tangle]

no rexi they're enriching the narrative

[earnest jungle]

Anyway as of 1896, bounties are still being offered and paid but now whatever shadowy cults, cartels, and corporations who have been buying the bounties from the AHA are contracting Hunters directly through Wyat Preston of Preston Oil.

As for where Hunters get their powers: ironically they get them from the source of all the monsters we fight in the game itself: The Sculptor.

We don't know much about the Sculptor it's an extradimensional being from the land of the dead whose corrupting influence is responsible for all of the monsters we see in game and for the very powers Hunters wield to fight said corruption.

Hunters currently gain their powers through a serum called the Innoculation which is a pretty apt name.

The Inoculation was developed by Lynch a witch responsible for both the destruction of the New York Branch of the AHA in revenge for the murder of her fellow witches, and for assassinating Philip Huff Jones instigating the Civil War within the AHA

Basically the Innoculation is made by performing a human sacrifice to entice a demon into our world and trick it into being bound into the body of the sacrifical offering.

[violet turtle]

What does AHA stand for

[earnest jungle]

American Hunter's Association

[violet turtle]

That's what I thought just wanted to make sure

[earnest jungle]

If you see text that looks like owo in game that's also the AHA just in a different scrypt called the Voynich which is a real thing

[violet turtle]

Oh cool to know

[earnest jungle]

Anyway the demon is then distilled down into a red serum and is injected into your skin granting you various occult powers including to but not limited to the dark sight, and the ability to open bounties, and banish bosses.

There are two competing theories as to what happens when you close a clue: originally back in Alpha when you banished a clue you would see through the eyes of the boss for a brief second which is referenced in the 1896 Trailor with Otis, Vision, and Caitlyn.

[noble scarab]

You can also detonate certain attuned dynamite sticks, damage enemies, teleport, manipulate objects, yank projectiles out of things, and some other things

[earnest jungle]

However a much older blog post that I'll see if I can find an archive describes closing a clue as being sent hurtling through hell for what feels like an eternity but to everyone else is but a second.

[noble scarab]

I think it could be both

[earnest jungle]

I like both

[noble scarab]

It’s also possible that the hunters are still seeing through the eyes of the boss, we just don’t see it in game

[violet turtle]

Both would make sense

[noble scarab]

Hunters also got addicted to the feeling

[violet turtle]

I hope we get the lore books back

[earnest jungle]

If you go to the website and scroll all the way down you'll find a link to a page titled Mythos where the Book of Monsters is archived.

[noble scarab]

They’re on the website

[earnest jungle]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore

[violet turtle]

Okay I'll have to look at that

[noble scarab]

With hopefully the other stories to come back

The gun masteries and if we’re lucky, the event lore

Maybe that’s how crytek could bring back event lore for future events, each week just add a bit onto the site, and keep it out of the pass to make people happy

But that might make too much sense for crytek

[violet turtle]

I'd prefer it be in game and on the website

[earnest jungle]

Given how buried this page is to the point that people who don't already know it exists won't be able to find it I get the sneaking suspicion someone doesn't want people visiting that page.

I've been here since 2018, and the lore pages on the website back in 2018 where not this hard to find

[violet turtle]

Yeah who know what crytek is thinking could be them either rewriting alot of lore to release it or could be them making a story game

[noble scarab]

They’re not doing that lol

[earnest jungle]

They are very much not doing that

[noble scarab]

All the writers either left or got booted to crisis 4

We’re lucky to get hunter and weapon descriptions, and even those are just “x likes to kill”

[violet turtle]

Yeah could be all the writers for the lore left or got booted aswell

It's just weird to make it hard to find lore they dont even got to make more just keep the existing stuff

[earnest jungle]

I can't prove it but I'm convinced that behind the scene someone decided players didn't care about narrative and that it's a waste of money and that's why not only the lore's been axed from the game but the official archive is buried where no one can find it

[noble scarab]

Before a few people asked fifield said to just “use 3rd party sites”

[violet turtle]

Yeah that what I guarantee happened

[noble scarab]

I’ve seen people on Reddit complain about the lore existing

[orchid tangle]

making a hunt showdown lore site and just adding my own made up BS halfway in

[noble scarab]

The other side of that complaining coin is that now we complain about it not existing, so pleasing everyone isn’t possible

[orchid tangle]

I like the idea of uploading event lore week by week somewhere instead of making it a BP reward. I know the biggest argument against the lore is BP filler

[violet turtle]

Reminds me of when fortnite started adding lore and people complained about it

[earnest jungle]

Well Hunt has had lore since the begining

[violet turtle]

Yeah it's a bit diffrent between the games but it reminded me of it

[earnest jungle]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/dark-awaits

here's that article I mentioned

Ah Tib was right it was both

[violet turtle]

I've noticed that when ever a multiplayer only game has lore alot of people hate it for no reason

[earnest jungle]

People are ingrates who don't appreciate what they've got until it's gone

We had witches stealing people's skins and yuri between homicidal bounty hunters

We had so much yuri

[violet turtle]

Yeah I never looked at the book of monsters but I never hated that there was lore

[orchid tangle]

most people who go against the lore I don't think have really looked into it, considering the biggest argument I've seen in defense of silly creep in skins and weird crossovers is "how does this thing not fit? we already have zombies" which feels like a satirical argument until I saw how much it was used

[earnest jungle]

We had a truly surprising about of Yuri

[violet turtle]

Yeah i always that that was dumb

I don't think hunt will become fortnite or cod

[earnest jungle]

Sophia, Lulu, The Witch Hunter, Hail Marry, Jos, Alison

All confirmed saphics

[violet turtle]

The crossovers in my opinion have been tasteful

[earnest jungle]

though the last two are only mentioned in weapo skins

[orchid tangle]

I don't think they fit

[earnest jungle]

I got to get pizza so if I stop replying that's why

[orchid tangle]

ghostface is popular because telephones, voice changers, and horror movie satire, none of those things you're getting in hunt

post malone is just a current year dude

[noble scarab]

the mask on ghostface is just too much, and why is it just post malone. not his great grandfather, not a character, not a mask, just normal post malone in a cowboy hat

[violet turtle]

I can agree somewhat about about pm but ghost face I don't really care

[earnest jungle]

I wouldn’t mind Post Malone if the marketing didn’t feel so transparent

[violet turtle]

Yeah if they didn't say it was him it would have been better

[earnest jungle]

His name is plastered everywhere

[violet turtle]

^

[orchid tangle]

yeah the only skin I care about that's released this update is the gold spencer

I do not wanna be plastered with the initials of a real life breathing person I know nothing about

[earnest jungle]

Post doesn’t even sound like a name a person would have

[noble scarab]

i also like the weapon animations

[earnest jungle]

What cruel parent would name their child Post?

[noble scarab]

aside from that and a few of the non PM branded skins this pass isnt great

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-this-post-likes-i-approve-i-agree-can-i-share-gif-16402733

[orchid tangle]

is the shorty animation an inspect or a cycle animation.
cuz on one hand it doesn't make sense as an inspect but as a cycle it feels like it can complicate timing and ironeye

[violet turtle]

I like the skins and like posts skin I just wish pm and post Malone weren't on everything

[noble scarab]

its an inspect for the shorty

[orchid tangle]

i wish it was a cycle but I can see hwy they didn't make it one

[noble scarab]

none of the new inspects are really inspecting the gun anymore, its just a fun animation

the sawed off terminus still has its flip cycle

i think when you interupt the reload itll do it

[orchid tangle]

I am not touching that thing

[violet turtle]

Yeah i dont like the centennial shorty bp inspect look kinda dumb

[orchid tangle]

I think the shorty and krag inspect are the best personally

[noble scarab]

the skin contest mini terminus, the raven one, thats THE only reason to use that weapon

[violet turtle]

The other ones are cool tho

[earnest jungle]

Oh and uh: I doubt this was intentional but given the regeneration shot is purple does that mean regen shots are made of Adrenochrome?

[earnest jungle]

When adrenaline is oxidized it turns a violet color which is where Adrenochrome get's it's color. Humorously Adrenochrome has no real medicinal nor psychoactive properties though it can be used to make a hemostatic agent.

The belief that Adrenochrome has psychoactive properties stems from the (extremely tenuous) similarity of Adrenochrome's molecular structure with Mescaline the stuff in Peyote that causes hallucinations and maybe build up of Adrenochrome in the brain causes schizophrenia.

It was complete nonsense

Two scientists in the 50s claimed to have gotten high after injecting themselves with Adrenochrome and went on to claim Niacin and Orange juice could cure schizophrenia and so went the Adrenochrome theory of Schizophrenia.

(Okay they actually tested megadoses of Vitamin C not OJ but the results of their studies were never successfully replicated and the whole theory rested on the fact that Adrenochrome kinda-vaguely-but-not-really looks like Mescaline if you squint at it)

(Adrenochrome on the left, Mescaline on the right)

Also for those curious the adrenalin is primarily harvested from the adrenal glands of dead sheep and cattle because adrenalin is adrenalin. It doesn't matter what animal it's in it's got the same chemical structure and the same chemical components.

So now all of you know just how silly the Adrenochrome conspiracy theories are

DEAR GOD CRYTEK BRING BACK THE LORE!

I'VE BEEN REDUCED TO RESEARCHING THE CHEMICAL PROPERTIES OF ADRENALINE FOR FANFIC

PLEASE SOMEONE SAVE ME FROM MYSELF!

[noble scarab]

hunters drinking the adrenochrome saturated blood of children confirmed??!?!?

we need the alien guy, he can tie it all together

[earnest jungle]

The Regen Shot is made using adrenelin harvested from the adrenal glands of dead hunters and combined with silver oxide contaminated with infernal energies.

This is what happens when you take away the lore Crytek

FIRST WE DEBATE YOUR CHARACTERS STANCE ON THE FREE SILVER CONTROVERSY OF THE 1890S NOW WE DEBATE THE CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF YOUR HEALTH POTIONS!

Please Crytek save us all give us lore

Before we are totally consumed with poster's madness

[empty basin]

If they bring in custom hunter building like Hazmat's video suggestion; imagine all the fan fiction that will have to be written then (and researched).
Will need a new tab in this discord for all the non official lore

[earnest jungle]

Once upon a time that was something on the roadmap

I think the rookie hunter progression is what became of that.

[tired spear]

huh, where is that?

[granite shard]

Concept art I believe

[empty basin]

I think the rookie progression was a cool add

[rugged harbor]

I agree, I hope they do more of it

Lot of hunters got left behind in the 1896 update

[spiral mica]

It was one of the few positive features they added this time around

[rugged harbor]

Yeahh

[spiral mica]

Pretty sure they've already made a statement somewhere that more were planned eventually

[rugged harbor]

Nice to hear, I hope I get my favorite free hunter back, I miss the green vest and bowler hat lady

[noble scarab]

Bring back the black hat and coat tier 2 guy

This is another favorite of mine they we kinda have back, but they robbed him of his vest

[acoustic whale]

rdr2 saloon

[spiral mica]

I wonder if anyone has a visual list of all the ones still missing from the current game.

[noble scarab]

All the original ones on are on the wiki but it’s kinda hard because crytek merged a few and or borrowed accessories from multiple hunters

To make up the new names ones

[empty basin]

I liked the "create your own wrestler" analogy he used in the video because that was one of the best part of Smackdown or No Mercy, creating how your character looked, if they were face or heel, and making up a story of how they fit into the games story. I haven't played one of those games since ps2 but I do remember that fondly. Rdr2 online was kinda like that, I think a create your own hunter could be good if the price is reasonable and it doesn't hurt game performance at all...

[tired spear]

actually yeah it looks like that saloon where you get hammered and have to find your friend

[acoustic whale]

lennyyyy

[empty basin]

When do we get Yukon gold rush RDR2 and Hunt expansion?

[upbeat kiln]

Yes! Smackdown II on PSone was my absolute jam! I honestly think I might have spent more time in the creator than the game itself 🤣

[empty basin]

And that was back in the day with like 5 hairstyles and 3 body types to choose from

[earnest jungle]

It’s weird to think a Hunter in 1896 could theoretically have used a telephone service provided by AT&T

[loud steeple]

Looks a lot like pearl plantation if it weren’t run down

It’s not actually the same layout but similar

[earnest jungle]

Besides the DeSalles, and Blanchetts do we have any other plantation owners or possible plantation owners in the lore

[noble scarab]

They mention the original owners of pearl somewhere I think

Maybe in the entry about pearl, I want to say it’s a vetterli page

And the lady in the bow entry was bought basically as a slave, but I don’t think they mention the guy that bought her owned any plantations

[earnest jungle]

The owner was the Mother of the DeSalle brothers

[earnest jungle]

Uuuuugh I really want this fic to start in Texas but I might have to switch to Mississippi

[topaz mirage]

ALIENS IN HUNT SHOWDOWN?

Grey aliens

They are at kingsnake mine

Under the ground

Alien race 👽

[spiral mica]

no aliens but maybe vampires 🧛

[grim lily]

I really liked that skin and the other one with the blue bandana. They removed my favorite skins.

[toxic birch]

Hello ! Where can i find Otis Blackwell lore ?

[loud steeple]

Lore is gone

The only lore is in the little blurb that you can read with the hunter

and Otis Blackwell is a new character with 1896 so we don’t have any previous mention of him afaik

[noble scarab]

rai and rexli were able to i think figure out his uniform and hand tattoos, which gives him a tiny bit of unmentioned lore

former cavalry i believe

[earnest jungle]

That was all Rai

I had nothing to do with that

[loud steeple]

Rai has done far more for the lore of this game than crytek ever has

[spiral mica]

Otis is former cavalry turned hunter just like Bridgewater and that's all I really know

[real cedar]

Otis Blackwell, Caitlyn Hammond, and Vinson Hayes are the only Hunters in the game without bios, sadly. Bloodline hunters don't have a spot to view them like prestige and progression hunters do, and they got rid of viewing bios of owned hunters with the 2.0 update. We'll get lore for those three if and when Crytek decides to return readable bios back to owned hunters.

[spiral mica]

More like if and when Crytek decides the lore is worth their time again.

[noble scarab]

Lore makes them no money, therefore no lore

That being said if they ever released a physical art or lore book I would get that

[icy brook]

That moment when Marvel Rivals provides more character lore per unit

[pseudo vessel]

from what i can tell, there is a pattern. A game comes out, game is incredible, incredible world, art, lore etc. but at some point somebody gets greedy and instead of making a good game for the sake of enjoyment, it becomes a matter of making things flashy and shiny. i remember when i first started playing i was obsessed with the game because of the lore and the aesthetic and the fact that there was not a single pay to win element in the game. Now i get on and try to guess what lame ass event is out that vaguely gives a half assed attempt at making sense in the world they have created. this and every other game that starts off really good are all the same. just empty shells and promises of what used to have extreme potential.

But hey, thats just my hot take. feel free to disagree if you like, but i just havent actually enjoyed a game in a long time

[spiral mica]

Pretty much every live service game that I can think of experiences something like this. The quality of the game begins to drop so that more content can be released in half the time.

Most of the live service games that come to mind have started off strong but have ended up being a slopfest of new content with stuff like celebrity collaborations and alternative IP collaborations.

[spiral mica]

I've noticed that in more recent times that game developers seem to have this spectrum that goes from "we won't put out something new unless we can do something completely groundbreaking and innovative" to "just pump new content out no matter what" and unfortunately a lot of them seem to land on either extreme. I wish more developers could find some kind of balance in between and understand that people don't want the same tired slop every time but they also don't want to have to wait such a long time for something new and innovative. Maybe they've all ran out of ideas or maybe I'm asking too much but I'd like to see better quality in the content that I play but unfortunately the more I look around the more I see innovative and creative content dwindling or outright disappearing altogether from the games that are out there and that's not even mentioning the complete absence of good quality from newer standalone projects.

[real cedar]

It seems like there was a plan for the Recovery Shot to have a weak and strong version. Large bar and small bar, perhaps? Or maybe they played around with the idea of a full restoration shot? Either way, the shot depicted in this image is a different color entirely from the recovery shot in game, both in the metal syringe and the liquid inside. Interesting that it changed rather soon to when the event began, if they had the promo material ready to go before relative last minute changes.

[noble scarab]

That’s just what we need, a shot that restores all of your bars, anytime

Hell, put it in with the hand crossbow

What can go wrong

Mix it with the revive bolt too

[granite shard]

restoration bolt

[real dove]

Don't put that energy into the world

[granite shard]

lmao

I mean honestly with all of the ways to lose bars in the game rn and how game ruining that is, I don't mind more ways to get bars back

but it does feel like a bandaid to the "fuck we've made burning away bars too easy" issue-- instead of fixing that, they add in a bunch of ways to restore bars

[real dove]

mhm

[icy brook]

I actually feel it’s getting to easy to restore lost chunks, but that’s gameplay talk in ye olde lore channel

[granite shard]

it's not like we have a wealth of new lore to discuss lol

[native marlin]

exactly, its bandaid fixes that arent really fun to fight to fix an overwhelming issue, vs helping the base game

which is, upsetting to say the least

[icy brook]

I think it’s part of Hunt trending towards being more forgiving to negligent play or reckless play, which is good and bad I feel

[native marlin]

idm not getting your game super ruined by getting shot once, or downed and burned fast, or hell even hit with a single fire bomb or beetle, but theres good and bad ways to go about it

[granite shard]

imo they should have nerfed all lammo (minus one shot guns) to be 124 damage and below

[native marlin]

like a shot that has no feedback for the opponent who just downed you, that is balanced by cost and must be brought in in a consumable slot, is bad

[granite shard]

like the krag should have shown the baseline... instead they buffed the krag

[native marlin]

the krag getting buffed is one of the worst buffs they did

long ammo ballistics, and almost as fast rof as a winnie was already good, it just was a tradeoff

but everyone was like "muh mosin one shots downed hunter ill never switch" bc long ammo people need their cake and to eat it too

[spiral mica]

Crytek doesn't balance instead they nerf something so hard into the ground that it becomes obsolete and nobody uses it or they buff something so good that everyone uses it and it becomes the new meta.

Nerfing based on the cost of something also doesn't work because you can just sit on hunt dollars.

[native marlin]

thats the thing they just focus too hard on pickrate, and dont know whats actually good

they buffed dolch with fmj bc "its pickrate wasnt where we want"

when it was one of the most disgusting pistols in the game already, it just wasnt picked bc old uppercut/ mid mmr players cant afford it

[noble scarab]

I like the idea of keeping some kind of marks or points that could go towards a restoration med kit at certain places around the map

That along with banishes, and the rare remedy feels like it would provide a lot of ways that you could work to get your bars back, but none of them would just be super easy to get

[native marlin]

this was my suggestion that i made before, but people did not like it

my whole want is a way to get bars after a fight so youre not just forced to fight at a terrible disadvantage, but not midfight so the people who down you get their advantage, its a balance but the restore shot is genuinely the worst way to do it

no feedback, lvl, money, slot dependant, its just a lazy bandaid

[icy brook]

I think the Psychoghost idea of having ritual points to regain lost chunks was the best medium

[noble scarab]

The restore shot at least eats a consumable slot, but if you’ve got people coming in with it, they’re likely to bring a bunch of tool boxes and packmule

[native marlin]

#game-ideas message im not saying its perfect, but i really tried to have as little problematic things as possible

[native marlin]

its not that it doesnt hurt them to bring in, its that its a "have the bandaid or suffer"

and after the event, itll be a level, if its high level, you prestiege no baidaid for you

[spiral mica]

With how aggressive burning downed hunters has become I would agree that a centralized location with a restoration kit should be a permanent addition to the maps but I don't really like the idea of keeping marks outside of an event period. One possibility is that it could be treated as first come first serve and that would give players an alternative incentive to fight for something other than bounty tokens during non-event periods.

[native marlin]

i dont think this is good though, 1 a centralized local can be camped, 2 since its limited you can just not be able to restore and have to leave, and 3 we dont need to deincentivise bounties like this, they need to be more of a focus imo, it doesnt have to be the marks system fully, like all the boxes and event traits, theyre basically restore points, just a way to have a currency for it

[real cedar]

Oh shit, actual lore

So the HelioStone is paranormally radioactive

[real dove]

oooooooo

also mood

[noble scarab]

So how does that factor in with the playable circus members? Post follows the circus, so I guess he’s far enough from it. Annie left after the stone showed up. The hunter clowns tho, what’s their deal?

[native marlin]

holy lore

[noble scarab]

Plus we know that the circle travels through the land of the dead, so that’s gotta factor in

[mint wind]

Might be like the Infected, they've gone mad but aren't walking dead.

[earnest jungle]

Ah man if only there was a way they could have communicated this information in game: perhaps from the perspective of the characters themselves in some kind of narrative that would unfold as you progressed through the event

[real cedar]

Where does that tidbit come from?

[earnest jungle]

Flavor text from harley quinn

[real cedar]

Huh, I suppose that is the right way to read that line

Absolutely bizarre that it means the literal Land of the Dead rather than talking about the current travel through the incursions but 🤷‍♂️

It's a paranormal highway now

[earnest jungle]

Hey I get it; that poor janitor and the potted plant are being forced to do the work of entire teams of people used to do. Whatever poor shmoo is working hard to give us what crumbs we can get is making the most of a truly awful situation.

I am being half sarcastic, but in all seriousness whoever is working to write the lore right now is the GOAT and we appreciate you even if crytek so obviously doesn't

[spiral mica]

People already regularly camp extracts and whichever compound has the bounty. Whether or not the map features the inclusion of a permanent centralized location with a restoration kit outside of a designated event period likely wouldn't do anything to prevent camping. If anything people are going to be missing their bars and are either eager to retrieve the restoration kit or they'll camp it out. There's also the possible third option of people just extracting if they can't get their bars back. Besides banishing a boss, the rare usage of a remedy trait or spending $140 and filling a consumable slot there is no other way to restore missing bars and preventing yourself from being one tap to over half the weapons in the game outside of an event period.

[noble scarab]

That’s why we won’t get any tf2 updates or half life 3, they stole valves janitor and potted plant

[spiral mica]

So it'd be more appropriate to call it the OppenheimerStone?

[native marlin]

yes they do. these are issues too, and yes it would, bc if it wasnt centralized its much harder to camp, vs one single point. and yes i agree with the last point, thats why i suggested to make a base game mechanic that isnt centralized on one point, im not against people restoring, im against it being one single centralized point, that can be camped, and used midfight easily

[spiral mica]

Maybe I'm not wording it correctly. When I say "centralized" I just mean a easily accessible location on the map like where the circus tents are during the current event. Even the "horde caches" from the last 3 previous events weren't completely center of the maps. (i.e desolation's wake, scorched earth and harvest of ghosts.) I will not agree with the notion that several randomized locations similar to the carts should possess something like a full restoration kit because something like a restoration kit is valuable to all members of a team and having something that valuable spawn in designated marked locations on the maps would take away from the overall desirability of it. Even if they spawned at a location like the carts it would just be an RNG of if a team is possibly camping it or not because people would definitely still camp it regardless of having multiple locations. Players already camp extracts and there are always 3 of them present in a match. Crytek already tried to make a solution to this problem by implementing the restore shot and unfortunately it really doesn't work in the same capacity that the restoration kits do. You could argue that remedy is another contributing factor but remedy is not only exceedingly rare, especially outside of events but also that there is no guarantee that you'll actually get to use the trait in a match before you extract or die. I think a permanent base game solution is needed but I think the only way a solution like that would be beneficial is if it's something that is not bought like a trait or consumables but instead something that you can locate and interact with in-match exactly like the restoration kit.

[native marlin]

the idea of "people will camp anyway, no reason to make it harder to camp" is not one i agree with, if thats the case why not make 1 extract? people camp them anyway, might as well make it simpler. In actuality when designing a mechanic you want to make it as hard and unrewarding as possible, so yes they may camp it even if there is multiple points, but its still harder then there just being one. and restoration shots was the worst most bandaid way to do it. and it wouldnt take away the desirability at all, people want their bars back, they wont suddenly not want to because theres a couple around the map vs just 1. i just disagree with multiple reasonings in this whole thing, and i agree with the last point, thats what my suggestion was! #game-ideas message

[spiral mica]

To be fair the idea of the game featuring only one extract would make a lot of sense and promote at least one guaranteed fight during the match and there is nothing that says a mechanic in a video game has to be difficult and unrewarding as possible. We might agree on certain aspects of a mechanic like this but overall I'd have to consider myself among the dozens of people that also disagree with your particular suggestion.

[native marlin]

its fine if you dislike it, and no not every mechanic needs to be unrewarding and hard, but if you want to make camping rewarding to do, well never agree, i dont want this game to be impossible to fight like an immediate extract from the bounty holders, but the game has tried to make camping harder and less rewarding since the very beginning. because its healthy for the game

[spiral mica]

Well, like I said earlier it'd be nice if there was a plausible and easily accessible middle ground to find when it comes to balancing stuff like this out. I only want the game to maintain a healthy environment for players to actually enjoy and experience because that also translates to longevity for the overall game.

[native marlin]

then you should be against camping in general, its overall not healthy for the game, and yes, having something be as unrewarding to camp as possible, is a healthy, plausible, and easily accessable middle ground

this is not a "super easy to camp" or a "if you camp this your hunter explodes and dies" which is the two extremes, its a "you can camp this, but its unlikely to reward you"

[spiral mica]

My problem with being outright against camping is that I also don't want this game to be run-and-gun chock-full of call of duty mechanics but you're right in assuming I also don't want this game to be a S'mores and bore snoozefest of constant camping.

[native marlin]

i dont want that either, i want fights to happen and stalemates to be broken, so im not suggesting mechanics like "if you sit in one spot for one minute you die" i simply said a restore being in multiple places around the map, so its harder to camp, is good. obv depends how its done but we shouldnt make things easy and rewarding to camp, it should be as hard and as unrewarding as possible

[high stone]

So…what are the incursions exactly?

[granite shard]

Areas of the sculptor’s influence— the bayou & mammons gulch essentially

And I guess now the circus

[high stone]

Is “Incursion” meant to indicate it’s an incursion into our, uh plane? From the LotD, or something?

[granite shard]

Yeah I guess. I’m pretty fine w it since we now have two active corruption zones so it makes sense to actually come up w a name for them lol

The circus incursion is. Well that’s certainly a thing that exists now

[high stone]

Hummmmm..welp..

[noble scarab]

this feels like a new Hunt Term^TM. like "Boss Target"

[high stone]

I mean I think ChatGPT did a pretty good job with the Instagram post

[earnest jungle]

Don’t you dare taunt Apollo’s happy fun ball

[spiral mica]

My question is when did we start using the term incursion? I remember the word being used sometime earlier to describe the Sculptor's influence.

[real cedar]

First time I noticed it being used was in the small press release lore blurb for Harvest of Ghosts, mentioning how two Incursions at once was unprecedented. It got mentioned again in Joan Damon: Veteran's description which confirmed it was a thing.

The first time the word was used was in Devil's Moon, Mr. Chary saying
So many sacrificed, so many fighting all for this moment. The sculptor will be nothing to fear… Louisiana will be remembered for ending these incursions once and for all.
though that was lowercase incursion.

Scorched Earth is the true first time the capital I Incursion was used. What at first seemed like part of Harold Black's poetic streak was actually the technical term.
HB: With the Incursion here still in its infancy, I wondered if some semblance of order and hierarchy might appear amongst the Corrupted. But this is not the case. They are all as disorganized and lobotomized as in the bayou.
As he recounted his tale, I divined the hunting lodge is the source of this Incursion.

[high stone]

Ok, I thought I imagined that it was new.. thanks Rai

I’m honestly not sure what to think of it, i don’t like that it sidelines the infection part once again for generic, inexplicable corruption, but the word incursion itself isn’t bad…just light on the details (again).

More sort of…idea outlines

[earnest jungle]

To be perfectly fair people in this very channel - myself included - have used the term “incursion” to describe this and previous events for years and years now

I can hardly blame Crytek for picking up and using the term as well seeing as it is an apt description for what is happening according to the lore.

The Sculptor is a being from outside our realm intruding in our world and twisting people and animals into monstrous abominations

On an unrelated note I wish we knew more about Alison Davis

We know she’s Jos girlfriend and hunting partner

But like we know next to nothing else about her

Even her other weapon Skin the Last Gust gives us little to go on other than she’s presumably had some kind of relationship with the Anishinaabe people

But even that may not have even been intentional as I doubt that German writers would have known that Dreamcatcher did not become a symbol of the Pan-Indian Movement until the 1960s

[rocky path]

Speaking of that we need some more cool Native skins fr

[earnest jungle]

Fr

[tiny plover]

Gotta get it from social media now huh?
Wonder if they're going to take the "wandering incursion" point anywhere. Fantastic exsuse for a new map

That being said, if that "new map" is DeSalle, I wont complain either lol.

Also they really should just post those lore dumps from social media here. I know half the fun is us piecing shit together, but stiiilll

[tiny plover]

Tho that being said, maybe the wandering part just refers to the fact that the circus is in both CO and LO

[fickle sluice]

It would also be an excuse for a cool new "pact". Imagine a kind of Special Unit of the AHA that has the task to "seek and destroy" or even prevent these kind of Incursions (or the one in the lodge for that matter)

[granite shard]

opportunity for smaller like death map sorts of maps

don't have to put resources into making full maps that work together, instead for things like bounty clash they could custom make maps for it

[real dove]

What were the bear names?

nvm i found

[spiral mica]

So according to that mention from Chary about incursions during Devil's moon I guess the term incursion was established as far back as 2022.

[real cedar]

without the capitalization I don't consider it a use as a proper term, rather it's just the word being used as normal. It's been pretty obvious so far when new terms are added, like capital C Corruption or Infected or Targets

It does show how the idea got to this point, a prototype example

[spiral mica]

Yeah but I'd still say that it's the term being used to describe exactly what the Sculptor is doing.

[granite shard]

with more than one area being infected by the sculptor I think it makes sense to come up with an actual name for the areas tbh

in universe I can see the explanation being that they were casually called incursions by a few people and then when we saw two being active at once it picked up steam and people started kinda officially calling them incursions

[spiral mica]

Overall I agree with utilizing terms like corruption and incursion to describe the Sculptor's influence over certain areas. It maintains a specific level of certainty without coming off as too unambiguous.

I still like how the Sculptor is perceived as a mysterious entity but we also know just a little bit more about what it's doing and why it's doing it.

[real cedar]

It's very helpful, like knowing Incursion is a technical term makes it unambiguous that the Grizzly Lodge ritual is the leading theory on what brought the Sculptor to Colorado.

without that, it's more up in the air if it was the lodge or the hellborn or whatever else

[spiral mica]

Yeah before I remember some people speculated that the corruption started in Colorado because of a mosquito that bit Drowned Rat but I think it's safe to say that ground zero for the corruption in Colorado is likely Grizzly lodge.

[earnest jungle]

Hmm I wonder what the letters mentioned in the Phantoms Journals are

Perhaps something related to Francis LeRoux?

Or some other blackmail?

I wonder if the Nellie who killed Francis is the same Nellie Crown diagnosed by Huff as having religious mania.

[granite shard]

phantom's journal? am I missing something, I thought he had letters

[earnest jungle]

Yeah he did I was mistaken

I misremembered his letters as journals

Which begs the question who the letters are addressed to

[earnest jungle]

I suspect this has already been pointed out before but it still blows my mind that this blog post from june of 2018 is still the only scrap of lore we have about Lynch that comes from Lynch herself.```"Death must be so beautiful. To lie in the soft brown earth, with the grasses waving above one's head, and listen to silence. To have no yesterday, and no to-morrow. To forget time, to forget life, to be at peace." -Oscar Wilde, The Canterville Ghost

June, 1895, La.

Beautiful words, and words that ring so true for me in these dark times. I find myself thinking back to the song that my mother used to sing me to sleep at night. I never, at that tender age, understood what it was about. I never guessed that its subject was a warning, that those words hinted at what would one day become my profession, my calling. My mother's soothing voice spoke of safety, of home, and in that net of comfort spirited me off to the solace of the dream realms. But the words were a warning, portents of my fate. How naive I was.

I am tired. I do not wish to go on. I wish only to rest, but to rest is to die. I look to the cards, and only the tower stares back.

L.```

This passage was written so long ago it predates both the Book of Weapons and the Book of Monsters.

When this was written Lynch was nothing more than a name on a Train ticket

[acoustic whale]

can we get more lore about sculptor

[spiral mica]

Has anyone else noticed these little Fairy rings scattered around the more wooded areas on Lawson Delta? I'm not sure if they were there before or if this is one of the new additions to the re-released map.

[high stone]

Yeeaahh…. It’s hard to put my finger on it, but I think I mean that it does actually feel too ambiguous, like low effort game writing. Chary’s language makes sense from the context, but capital “I” Incursions as a label for the (still pretty foggy) phenomena in Hunt makes me groan a little

[earnest jungle]

I am completely indifferent

[earnest jungle]

The wiki says the name of the Blanchett Graves church is St. Malo does anyone know where that comes from?

[mint wind]

St Malo is a town in Bretagne. Makes it a bit weird.

[real cedar]

There's a sign on the north side of the church that names it as such, though it's harder to see after the 2.0 update put a bunch of shit over it.
I believe it's a name or username of one of the Level Designers, 'MALO' is also spelled out with feathers as an easter egg in Scrapbeak's lair in Moses Poulty and O'Donovan Stone.

[earnest jungle]

Ah that explains it

we should probably update the wiki trivia to mention this

[real cedar]

Perhaps, though that wiki is basically dead. The second wiki that's active is still WIP and hasn't gotten around to adding compounds yet, we really need more people working on it lol

I don't know for a fact that Malo is a level designer though, it's just something I've heard mentioned online in relation to that scrapbeak easter egg and it seems reasonable enough

[rare hatch]

Does anyone know what Rotjaw’s deal is? I watched a video that mentioned a man used her to bring something back from the land of the dead? Did we find out what it was or did Cry just leave it behind

[granite shard]

a girl named enola paddled off into the ocean (? maybe a river, I don't recall exactly) in 1812 to avoid british soldiers and she took an egg with her from a collection she had. she presumably died there and entered the land of the dead where the egg hatched into a gator that she named princess

eventually princess was stolen from the land of the dead -- and taken into the bayou where she got called rotjaw by hunters -- and enola made a sort of deal with lynch to see her again

[spiral mica]

I'm still not sure about the exact connection between Gar and Enola, only that there is one.

[earnest jungle]

British forces attacked and briefly captured Fort St Philip during the Hurricane of 1812 and began massacring civilians who had sought shelter from the storm.

In the chaos Enola fled in a rowboat out to sea, during which she was bathed in blood of a dead british soldier allowing her to sail into the land of the dead

In the chaos of the storm british blockade ships opened fire on one another creating the conditions necessary for Enola and one of their ships to accidentally transport themselves to the land of the dead.

Enola was fond of pets and brought with her all that remained of her menagerie of snakes, lizards, snakes, turtles a single alligator egg.

This egg attracted to her the attention of spectral alligators created through ritualistic sacrifices conducted by the Reptilian and his wards. These phantasmal alligators protected Enola from the redcoats before wriggling inside the alligator egg and transforming the unborn gator into RotJaw - named Princess by her “mother” Enola

Then the corruption came, and with it the Steam Boat Delphine carrying smuggled goods, and the unholy Murmurstone.

Mr Chary promised the castaways of the Delphine that if they captured Rotjaw he would use her to bring them home.

And in a way this was true.

After their souls transformed into necrophagic Arc Blooms and consumed by the Rotjaw they were indeed returned to the land of the living by Chary force feeding Rotjaw the Murmur Stone so he could smuggle it back to the land of the living.

Now she’s stuck here on the wrong side of the veil

[fickle sluice]

That's a pretty good run down. Thanks Rexi

[mint wind]

Wat, how old is the Reptilian.

[granite shard]

not really said, he's likely somewhere in his 30s-40s

the scaled ward is over 18, that's the only thing I know for certain

[mint wind]

They won't make any underage Hunter anyway.

[granite shard]

Well they did

Kevin lol

I don’t think we’re getting another one, esp w how Kevin just looks like an adult man

[fickle sluice]

Yeah, "We have Vivec at home"-Kevin doesn't really look like a kid

[granite shard]

I think it's bc there tends to be a lot of rules abt having minors in games where you shoot them

also hitboxes

[fickle sluice]

Oh yeah, for sure. But it's also a point that I never understood. When I read the story and tried to understand what happened and then later saw the model... it didn't click for me.
I buy Poor Man's Vivec being a let's say in his early 20ies. But I always had the feeling that Kevin is supposed to be... 15? Maybe?

[granite shard]

He’s 14

[fickle sluice]

ah yes.

[granite shard]

I think the core design ideas expressed in his hunter skin are cool enough for me to be able to work with it

[fickle sluice]

Oh I like the design. I don't play it. But I like it. It fits the game very well

[granite shard]

I just do some tweaking to make him look more like a young teenager when I draw him

I hope we see the twins in game one day but they’d also get hit w the same adultification beam (since they’re 16)

[spiral mica]

Old enough to be Scaled ward's dad since Somber Gale basically confirms that he's his adoptive father.

Also wouldn't Kevin now be 15 years old since he was 14 in 1895?

Unless he's somehow permanently 14

[granite shard]

His skin was released when he was still 14, his birthday is Oct 25th so he’d be 15 as of scorched earth

[spiral mica]

It'd be cool if we knew the exact ages of some other hunters too based on their release date or if they have a definitive birthday in the lore.

[granite shard]

Having more canon ages/birthdays would be nice

[spiral mica]

I'm obviously curious about scaled ward's age but I've also speculated how young other characters are like Kid, Rat and Luz Mala.

[granite shard]

I think lonely howl might be somewhere between 18-23 based on the way felis treated him like a kid in a lot of ways and I’d like to see that be confirmed

The kid’s in his early twenties

I’ve asked some of these things to writer friends and don’t have firm answers on ages, but the kid’s in his early twenties and lulu/sofia are both in their later twenties

[spiral mica]

Didn't Concubine write a letter to Luz Mala during Devil's moon where she speculated that she and her were around the same age?

I'd also wager characters like Centipede are on the younger side, too.

[noble scarab]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/1WmdLDW3IQ

Event survey for cosmetics is up

[real cedar]

Discord announcements lacking again

[loud steeple]

I feel like they completely disregard the answers of people that put that they have 1000+ hours

They only care about the opinions of new players

[spiral mica]

I feel like there's a frustrating lack of communication particularly with the release of certain cosmetic content. We're about 4 weeks into this event and people are still wondering where the Desert Rose aka Annie Oakley skin is and there's also some other skins that were teased but nowhere to be seen like the Pax Trueshot from the event trailer.

[faint nimbus]

Hopefully it’s not a papa redneck situation where it’s released after the event

[spiral mica]

I was hoping Papa Redneck was an isolated incident but it's looking like that isn't the case.

[orchid tangle]

it's not making me more hyped I'm just annoyed lol

[empty basin]

Do you think maybe the skin hasn't been released because it is having the invisible skin's issue from the 1865 update when it first came out and multiple paid skin's were invisible

[orchid tangle]

no I think they're trying to hold some hype around it. I mean the update came out with 6 hunters

or well technically 5, one just had 2 versions

[empty basin]

I just meant maybe they are still working on why her head and hands are invisible like those skin's were on release

[orchid tangle]

and a bit before it the knife lady came out

[orchid tangle]

see the thing is I don't belive crytek QA tests things anymore so I think they'd just release it and then realize the problem

[empty basin]

Not good lol

[noble scarab]

I mean we still have hunters with invisible legs, crytek really doesn’t care unless 90% of the hunter isn’t visible and even then there’s a solid chance they just ignore it or disable it then fix it 3 patches later

[lucid anvil]

Oh neat, survey

[spiral mica]

Most of the criticism in the survey stems from the Post Malone collab and the initials on the weapons. I'll give credit where it's due and say that the PM skins are actually pretty unique and my only issue with them is just the initials and celebrity collaboration. I'd also point out that there has been an even greater presence of recycled textures. This event gave us new skins for every Bornheim variant and they literally all share the exact same appearance.

[real cedar]

That's the new agnostic skin system. It's not that they share the same appearance like the last two events, it's that they're literally the same skin. I think it's a positive overall

[noble scarab]

The Bornheim thing is something crytek is doing, making the skins weapon agnostic

Maybe they shouldn’t clutter the battle pass with them, but it’s not a bad idea

[real cedar]

They gotta clutter it with something, might as well be new skins

I am a little confused on the implementation though. The whole point was that one skin works for the whole set of variations, but then they go and only make four skins for the Centennial.

[granite shard]

I wish they wouldn't take up multiple BP slots

like, I get that BPs rely on filler

but we had a unique form of filler in the past (lore chapters) and these weapon agnostic skins feel like it could just be one slot for the agnostic skin that goes "wow use this on all of your bornheims"

[real cedar]

It gives the feeling of getting more bang for your buck. Rather than 15 effectively empty levels - you can always just find the chapters online - you get a new permanent reward every level. If they wanted to bring Event lore back, it'd have to be as an addition to a real reward rather than on its own.

[granite shard]

my preference would be something like a supply crate or blood bonds on the levels that lore chapters are on

idk, I think it just kinda goes along with my feeling on something like the apex legends battle pass where they have skins that are clearly in there for padding purposes and I've just never been a fan of that

I think we're likely to get cosmetics like player cards at some point too with how much real estate is available on the post match screen when you're looking at all of the teams there

[spiral mica]

I can see how it would be beneficial to the game but I'm personally not a huge fan of the ones that have been featured so far. I can think of a dozen different and much better agnostic skin ideas of preexisting skins that they could use for different weapons, tools and consumables. The whole circus clown motif and funeral dirge doesn't really do it for me.

[real cedar]

Funeral Dirge isn't one of them but I get what you mean. The current batch of event skins are definitely not in my taste either but the concept of agnostic skins will be a positive overall I think. ||Except that I have to screenshot every single one for the wiki 😭 ||

[spiral mica]

I guess if I had to pick some I liked so far it would have to be the trapper bundle and Skulltaker's stuff. I think particularly the Skulltaker's stuff is unique enough to be enjoyable while still maintaining that certain theme that the rest of the skins exactly like it had in the Scorched Earth event.

And tbf agnostic skins have been a thing since Desolation's wake if we want to count all the Centipede stuff among them.

[granite shard]

not really since those weren't all for the same weapon family

it's just shared theme

[real cedar]

Agnostics are only when the skin has the exact same name/description and is applied across variants of the same gun. The shared theme guns feel a lot more copy paste cause they purport to be skins of their own

[spiral mica]

If they're going to do more skins like that I'd love to see them reuse the Somber Gale model for more weapons. I remember seeing Somber Gale for the first time and thinking how crazy detailed and good looking it was compared to previous skins at that point. All the trapper skins are exceptionally detailed too which is why I'd consider them some of my favorites.

[granite shard]

I think the agnostic thing isn't a bad idea, I just don't love that all of the variants take up slots

bc like it is at the end of the day just filler that stretches out the battle pass

[spiral mica]

So in terms of something like the Funeral Dirge what would you classify that as?

Because if you take a closer look at Skulltaker's stuff it actually is relatively different than the stuff from the Scorched Earth BP. It maintains the same appearance thematically but also still looks different in some areas.

[real cedar]

Shared theme or just copy+paste are good enough descriptions. Skulltaker and Scorched Earth are very similar but not shared or copied

[spiral mica]

Yeah that's probably a better way to describe it. I guess I'm just biased when it comes to these new skins but I'd expect other people to be as well. I recently did eventually acquire this event's battle pass but only because I had the blood bonds saved up and there were a few things I liked but overall I did not appreciate the contents of this battle pass.

We finally got a Hellfire bomb skin too so that's something.

[real cedar]

I'm in the same boat, there's only 3 things I want from the BP but since I'll be playing anyway might as well get all the rewards just for the fun of collecting.

[granite shard]

I haven't really been playing as of late, the meta's just has gotten really frustrating for me

[spiral mica]

Additions like Surefoot, blademancer and crackshot have turned the game on it's head. Weapons like Vetterli and Berthier have been outclassed by Krag. The meta is in a very strange spot right now but also feels like it hasn't changed much because I still regularly see mosins and lebels with spitzer and whatnot.

[granite shard]

I just feel like every time I do any sort of aggressive move it's punished heavily

I'm just hoping these upcoming updates kinda address some of this bc the way the game's been playing lately just hasn't felt great

[spiral mica]

I think some sort of correction is definitely guaranteed with all the criticism and complaints about blademancer and stuff.

I just hope they also notice the lesser complaints like how despite all the nerfs to uppercut it still maintains it's price of $414. Or how despite the buffs to the Cyclone it still maintains it's price of $280. I think solely nerfing weapons and equipment based on price doesn't work but I also think nerfs and buffs to a weapons stats should reflect the overall price of the weapon.

Like, I wasn't super bummed out about the price change to the mosin because the mosin still stands as a very effective weapon in the game, especially when paired with Spitzer, however krag and it's variants are still only around $345-400 despite the buffs it's recieved.

[native marlin]

people still think mosin is better (its not) and all they knew what to do with it was balance strictly by price, theyre not good at evaluating whats actually good, or knowing what to do about it sadly

[spiral mica]

I didn't say mosin was better than the krag I just said it was still a formidable weapon in the game and that it was more expensive than krag despite the buffs that the krag had recieved. The krag is more desirable than mosin because of the price and because of the fact that a krag can pretty much do everything a mosin can minus the addition of spitzer rounds.

[native marlin]

im not saying you said that, im saying most people think that, the reason the mosin is more expensive is bc of pickrate and the general consensus that its better, when in reality krag is actually better, completely ignoring the price, just in game effectiveness

the mosin has a few things, spitzer rounds, a couple meters where its more effective at specific things, and the lightning fast reload when empty, where krag has a huge cycle time boost, and more ammo. which comes in handy more then then most of the things mosin can do (besides maybe spizter but most people dont run that)

its like what they often do when things are too picked, just make it expensive, like the uppercut, and then they actually nerfed the stats, which was good, then kept the price and are still nerfing it when it was fine, theyre not good at actually knowing whats good, or changing multiple variables at once

[spiral mica]

I'm just a little confused why you would feel the need to show up and ping me to reassure me that there are people out there that think mosin is better than krag when nobody nor myself made any mention that it was the other way around. There really isn't anything I haven't already heard about the whole Mosin vs Krag debate. The krag is only more desirable than the Mosin because of its lower price and innate ability to do everything a Mosin can do such as downing a hunter who is already missing their bars which is something people usually look for in a weapon when playing the game. People see that 125+ damage and their neurons activate.

[native marlin]

was trying to explain why crytek made the mosin cost significantly more, and not the krag. directly replying to what you were talking about

i didnt think pinging was rude, as i was replying to that specific message, i didnt @ you or anything to harass you into a debate

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, I’ve moved on. Shredder, faster weapons, that kinda crap, not to mention the lack of care for the story and consistency in skins or the world (royal phantom)….

Just ain’t it for me no more

And yeah, like Valen said
Surefoot etc. no punishment for healing. Just run away with no consiquences

[native marlin]

im getting into the same boat, im hoping for a major shift in game direction soon or its likely my last event i care about, if the "community" loves surefoot, and faster and faster and more modern weapons, then they can have the game because i sure dont want it

[lucid anvil]

Pretty much. I’ve just happened to have already hit my limit with it. I’d stick around, but for me the post Malone stuff being compounded with the stuff like gameplay stuff, having to see all the shitty clown skins which just don’t work imo, the phantoms arm….

Considering they aren’t going to revert it, that’s just about it for me lol

[native marlin]

i completely get you, its death of a thousand cuts, they didnt add one single bad thing like a m4a1 or something, its a bunch of non fitting skins, bad gameplay changes, and all together just makes the game so much worse, its the worst update theyve ever done imo.

only reason im still here is bc hunt is kinda my thing, ive been here since beta, and have done tons of testing with mechanics, helping with lots of bugs and feedback and trying to help the community, so to let it go is really hard for me, but by god i kinda want ot

[lucid anvil]

Oh for sure. That’s the only reason I stuck around as long as I did. I want to love this game, but the direction they’ve been taking it, every update being one step forward two steps back…

And, again, the phantoms arm is the biggest thing for me funnily enough.

It’s just such a flagrant lack of care imo

[native marlin]

yea same here, the 1896 update had SO many good gameplay changes, but a few that just sucked, and it just compounds and compounds, this update the majority of the update was bad, which is impressive

[lucid anvil]

I know it’s for the streamer, but fuck me
Have some pride in the characters you make

[lucid anvil]

Mhm.

[native marlin]

i mean hey i get it, i honestly wouldve accepted if they switched arms for both, but its just a middle finger to anyone who cares about the characters or lore, kinda like postie

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, bang on. Change both, or don’t change it at all. As you say, it’s not just “oh, change it for the streamer” it comes across as “we don’t care about the characters, same guy, different body, but it’s the same guy, shut up fuck you”

[native marlin]

100% its a lack of care, frankly the way they did it shows their values, lore or the world? fuck it. we dont care about that, gotta just get those collaborations in

[lucid anvil]

%100.
Money over lore. Every time.
Honestly getting a bit sick of seeing it in the games I like, lol

[native marlin]

i dont mind them making money, ive never once complained about battlepasses, them making dlcs or skins, but when you destroy all lore, for basically nothing, or make 0 effort to fit post malone into your world, it looks more like a cash grab, we did fine for so long then 1896 we went off a cliff for some reason

its just sad, whole thing makes me just feel bad

[lucid anvil]

No no, but he has a hat!
Lol. Yeah, I don’t mean to bang on about it, but man…

Eh. At least ArmA is on PlayStation now

[spiral mica]

It's a combination of all this that you said and some of the decisions they've been making are just nonsensical. Decisions like how during the previous event every new weapon besides the Maynard sniper was a handcannon variant and that was the exact same event that they decided to reintroduce the old quartermaster mechanic as an event trait so you were able to take two large slot weapons into the match. Or how they nerf uppercut into the ground but maintain it's current price. Not to mention all the unresolved issues with newer changes, The UI still has issues like certain items not equipping or unequipping even if your contraband items aren't full so it just deletes the item. Some of the new changes to the rereleased maps are buggy, so buggy in fact that just yesterday my partner, @light yoke, got stuck while vaulting onto the roof at Lockbay and we had to team kill him just to get him unstuck and that was during a live engagement with another team.

[native marlin]

yea for sure, i try not to be a downer, it just gets to me sometimes, youre right though i should just let people enjoy it if they do, and hey!! whatever game youre enjoying im happy for you! hope it brings you more joy then hutn ever did <3

[lucid anvil]

Well, I’ve only been in ArmA 34 hours haha. Not much compared to my 800 and something in hunt, and MAN do I miss that sound design…

But so far, I’m enjoying myself:3

I get to be a lorry driver!

[native marlin]

heck yea!! arma is a great time (with bugs and all) its def great if you love the rp side of things, you drive that lorry and you drive it good!

sadly i think theres 0 games that were as good as hunts old sound design, were all kinda spoiled with it

[lucid anvil]

I will NOT flip it this time! Probably!
I did once fly a helicopter, break its tail rotor while landing, take off and fly another few miles the opposite direction and land safely though

That was fun

[spiral mica]

I still find this game suggestion funny because of how many downvotes it has but it still got added to the game.

[lucid anvil]

And for sure. It’s just a shame the way Hunt has gone imo… I had my fun with it. Different direction, different crowd.. and maybe that’s ok.

Crytek still deserve Their success. I just wish it dir t come at the cost of the Hunt I used to love.

[spiral mica]

Honestly if you're among the crowd looking for a potential alternative to hunt showdown you should keep your eyes on a game called Beautiful Light.

[lucid anvil]

I would, but alas… console

Which is what I was so happy they finally ported ArmA to PlayStation!

[spiral mica]

Yeah, unfortunately I'm not sure if it'll receive console support.

[lucid anvil]

Bought it pretty much as soon as I saw it lol. Now I get to have a Russian lady shout at me and tell my my oil is low or something

[lucid anvil]

I doubt it, with the coding stuff they mentioned with the PCs

[spiral mica]

ArmA also has such a large modding community

[lucid anvil]

Apparently they’re working with Sony on that. Fingers crossed.

[native marlin]

i absolutely love seeing this happen in game, its always so silly. and heck yea!! landing a heli without a tail is an impressive feat!!! im proud of you :]

[lucid anvil]

Thank you! :)
yeah, the people on the radio asked me if I was alright while I was spinning.

I said I didn’t want to talk about it.

[native marlin]

my thoughts exactly, i dont want nobody to enjoy the game, i dont even want it to die in a vindictive way, i just wanna have the hunt i loved for so long

[native marlin]

its a story you take to your grave ;)

[spiral mica]

I don't think anyone really wants the game to die but with all the weird and undesirable changes made to the game recently the dwindling player count is completely understandable.

[lucid anvil]

Mmhm. How bad is it now, anyway? I’ve got no frame of reference, nor do I really look at steam

[native marlin]

its not ATROCIOUS, but we didnt really grow much compared to last event, and we didnt have a good amount of peak people on the first day like most events, about 7k less, its not an event that made numbers worse, its just an event that isnt making them much better

[native marlin]

100% weird part is i see so many people SO happy with the event, they love post, they love the shredder, they love blademancer, but ig casual players are just there for vibes, a lot of vets are the ones with gripes

[spiral mica]

around 20k right now according to steamcharts.com

[lucid anvil]

Aye, I getcha. And I feel with Hunt vets are most of the core

[spiral mica]

not great but not terrible but it's a considerable drop from what we once had.

[lucid anvil]

Right, one man, an LMG and a bright red van vs the entire soviet army. Let’s see how we do…

[native marlin]

i honestly couldnt say, i dont have stats like crytek, all i know is im not a fan, and im not alone in that, but we may be the minority

[spiral mica]

I can assure you that the majority of people are getting sick and tired of things like celebrity collaboration in their video games. It's so bad that it's become a bit of a meme now.

[lucid anvil]

Nooo, but it’s the ONLY way they can make money!! You don’t understand!!

Ugh… I’m sorry lol

Yeah, honestly I just… eh..

[native marlin]

i was cryteks no 1 defender for making money, i dont care if they release tons of skins, i dont care if skins are 10$ each, i dont care if theres dlcs out the wazoo, its live service, they give so much for free, and every content update is completely 100% free, i dont know why we had to move away from that

[lucid anvil]

They wanted more, presumably.

[spiral mica]

I mean, I can see the arguments both in favor and against it but personally I'm against it and I've pretty much always been against it mainly because it throws the established narrative of a game off the rails and from my experience it does very little in the wake of advertisement, drawing in new players and of course retaining veteran players. It also just comes off as simply being silly, I'm sorry but Nicki Minaj wearing pink BDU while taking fire in a war torn scenario just isn't cool. The same can be said for Post Malone in Hunt, seeing him just breaks the whole late 1800's American gothic immersion for me and I'm sure many others.

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, pretty much where I’m standing. You can dress him how you want, but it’s still post Malone…

But, you know. Normally this is where someone would say “oh, but they aren’t the same thing, blah blah blah”

Idk

Im just pretty jaded by this point

[spiral mica]

I think a good comparison to Post Malone in Hunt is Will Smith as Deadshot in Suicide Squad. He's not actually entering the role of Deadshot just like how Post Malone isn't entering the role of "Ringleader" or "Deposed King" It's literally just Post Malone.

[lucid anvil]

Yeah. It’s just a question of what’s good enough for people, like the royal phantom situation

You can tell me it’s the same guy, but am I going to believe that when the design isn’t consistent? I mean really?

See, for me that’s not good enough. But for some people, it presumably is. Like post Malone.

You get told it’s not post… so you believe it. You get told it’s the same phantom, so you believe it.

I’m worried this might be coming across in a bad way, but do you kinda get what I mean?

[spiral mica]

I can tolerate the phantom skin only because that's just Rachta self-inserting with the character. It's still phantom but with the influence of Rachta. the Post Malone skins are literally just Post Malone they're not some special new characters. There is no deviation there it's just Post Malone himself.

[lucid anvil]

Well, see, I just can’t reconcile that in my mind. Sure, it’s streamer self insert. I don’t care. You tell me it’s the same guy, and then change something as integral like that, I’m not going to believe it.

This isn’t directed at you, by the way, I’m just speaking generally

[granite shard]

The royal phantom is frustrating bc he’s an established character

Who’s getting mirrored bc a streamer didn’t like him injecting his prosthetic

Like that’s :/

[lucid anvil]

Big thing for me is just the consistency. With the world, existing characters etc. phantom exists in a specific way. The hunt world is set in a specific way. Shoving post Malone into the world, changing core things like the anatomy of characters and just expecting you to swallow the shit and ask for more, to be crude, just doesn’t fly with me

[spiral mica]

I guess what I'm saying is I can more easily tolerate or even accept a Streamer's self-insert as opposed to a straight up celebrity collaboration like Post Malone. That doesn't necessarily mean I like it but if I have to have one of the two I'd prefer the Royal Phantom over Post Malone any day of the week.

[lucid anvil]

That’s fair.

[native marlin]

i genuinely wouldnt mind how much they make, if they upped the price of skins, or whatever id say, thats the cost of doing buisness (they actually heavily lowered the price of bb skins with the 1896 update and rarities, which always confused me) just the way they went about it is so bad, idk if theyre trying to drag more people in, or what it just sucks

[spiral mica]

I want to go back to Pre Malone, right now we've got Present Malone and only time will tell what Post Malone will truly be like.

[lucid anvil]

How about post melon

[spiral mica]

how about Pineapple Malone?

[earnest jungle]

Yeah I really hate that

Especially because he gave us crap for saying Post Malone's murder circus didn't fit the setting

[spiral mica]

Wait did he really make a statement like that?

[lucid anvil]

Did he?

[earnest jungle]

Let me track it down

I can’t seem to find it but I swear it happened, maybe I’m mixing him up with someone else.

But I know someone tweeted about it because I saw that tweet and it’s what inspired me to cross check DW and SE for mentions of a circus

[spiral mica]

I'm just curious because that doesn't sound like Ratcha to call a group of people out like that

He's usually chill and just plays the game without really voicing too much of an opinion

[earnest jungle]

Like I said I might be getting my wires crossed

[fickle sluice]

I wouldn't be surprised. And to me the difference of celebs putting their face in the game or streamers having a self-insert is negligible.

[gilded umbra]

https://youtu.be/FKnaibgFdx0?si=aXYqTekg2tACQ6g6

This video was pretty good 👍🏼

[earnest jungle]

It’s sad that “what they didn’t tell you” is basically everything.

[spiral mica]

More like "what we're no longer telling you."

[rocky path]

Honestly one of the things I loved about Hunt was everything was original and there were no collabs. Then the Ghost Face thing happened and I was upset but it quickly grew on me. Personally I think they’ve done them tastefully and I don’t mind them. If it gives more life and variety for those who want it that’s great. If you don’t like it it’s nice and easy to not use it lol. Lore wise I don’t think the implications are that bad either. There’s some pretty crazy stuff that (celebrity aside) a circus ringmaster isn’t that weird

[warped shale]

everything is fine except the ghost face mask itself

[rocky path]

I don’t see the issue lol. Even the lore description for it is very in line with the game. They did so much work for the cool outfit and everything I fail to see why the mask itself matters so much. But that’s me personally

[earnest jungle]

The core issue with the Ghostface mask is that it's the Ghostface mask.

You see that mask and you don't think "oh hey that person is dressed up as a spooky phantom"

you think "Oh hey that person is dressed up as Ghostface from Scream*

[lucid anvil]

Pretty much.

[earnest jungle]

There's plenty of games where The Ghostface Killer fits in seamlessly: Mortal Combat, Dead by Daylight, Call of Duty,

And do you know what they all have in common? They're not set in the 1890s

Like imagine how jarring it would be if instead of the Researcher just being a nod to Doc Brown it was just Doc Brown

Like instead of this

we got this

[lucid anvil]

Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth personally. The bubble is popped, so to speak. You don’t add post Malone or Ghostface™️ and get to tell me it’s not breaking the integrity of the world. It’s just a case of that not being enough to convince me, you know? As I say with the phantom arm change, again, you are making a character, calling it “post malone” or Ghostface straight up, and you expect me to just accept “oh but no no, it totally fits, because post Malone exists in the 1800s in our world! And he’s a different person with the same name!”

Actually, disregard the phantom arm point, that’s a slightly different issue

I was just trying to use it as an example. Just because you tell me something is one way, doesn’t mean I write off evidence to the contrary.

[earnest jungle]

It is impossible for me to believe there is any creative integrity behind either the Post Malone or Ghostface cross-over when we all know for a fact that the people behind this decision are the same exact fucking people responsible for the Hunt's writing team being gutted.

Don't piss on my head and tell it's raining

Either you care about the artistic integrity of the game or you don't

And crytek clearly doesn't

And I know they don't because they wouldn't have regarded their writers as a needless expense if they did

[lucid anvil]

Yeah. Plus, the straight up lies they told.
“You won’t see Niki minaj in Hunt”

post Malone

The writing in this game was so genuinely unique and cool, and they threw it away for fucking post Malone

Man, I really gotta cut down on the rants lol
It’s making me sad

[rocky path]

I won’t knock you for not liking it, but again I don’t see the issue. They did it well and it didn’t feel shoehorned or out of place. Was fitting with the Halloween time it was released as well. And the mask has a cool wooden carving look to it.

[rocky path]

And it still is cool and unique. Now it just includes a famous pop culture personality woven into it lol

[lucid anvil]

I mean… now there isnt a story lol. The story there is, only exists to explain away the fact they’ve added straight up post Malone to the game

As I have said- it’s piercing the curtain, if that makes sense.

[rocky path]

How has the previous story been undone?

[rocky path]

I mean he’s written into it if you separate him as a person with the character in the game

[lucid anvil]

But that’s the thing. I can’t do that. He has the name post Malone. He has the face of, post Malone. How can I be expected to look at that and say “Yu huh, sure boss, that’s a different guy!”?

[rocky path]

I mean that’s his name, yes lol

[lucid anvil]

It’s not the same as an actor, as I’ve seen a lot of others say. He is post Malone, playing a character by the name of post Malone.

[rocky path]

He’s not rolling around singing ditties in the game tho

[lucid anvil]

I don’t see how that’s relevant. He doesn’t have to be a musician in game to be the same person. I’m sorry, I struggle to get my points across a lot, but I’m trying to make the distinction between an actor and just putting an actual modern day celebrity into the game.

[rocky path]

Okay well, he as a person is in the game. He’s part of the story now. It still feels like Hunt (for me anyway) sorry if this has changed that for you

[real cedar]

He's described as a musician in the lore so he kinda is

[rocky path]

Yes but not in the same way lol

I guess time will tell if this is good for the health of the game but if you’re going to draw people in with crossovers and collabs this is the most tasteful way they could do it imo. Games have to evolve

[lucid anvil]

As I’ve said- an actor plays a character. If you establish a world with the expectation there will be actors playing versions themselves in the world, that’s one thing. When I have an entirely unique and insular world and I place something so entirely outside that world (like a modern celebrity) within it, it’s piercing the curtain. The bubble is popped. Kinda like a balloon and air, except here it’s the world and my immersion. The forceful dragging of post Malone into this world punctures the balloon, and my immersion leaks out. Does that make sense?

[lucid anvil]

And on this point- it’s still hunt within the game, yes. But the world it has built no longer feels the same to me. It’s cheapened by the collabs. Diluted.

[rocky path]

Yes I see that but aesthetically they made it work imo

[lucid anvil]

In my opinion, anyway. There are better ways for the game to grow while staying closed off from the reality of the game.

[rocky path]

That’s fair. I think it’s enhanced! I guess we view it differently

[lucid anvil]

Oh sure, looks wise it’s mostly pretty good! Except certain thing, like ghostfaces mask which I think would work better with a more wood grain look like devils advocate, or the phantom’s arm. But for the most part minor stuff. It’s more what they are to the world, what they represent in terms of crytek as devs, etc

[lucid anvil]

Well, yeah. Just different opinions really. I just wish Hunt could’ve stayed the game I fell In Love with, but alas that was not to be. Compounding factors. Just not for me anymore, which sucks, because now I need a new main game lmao

Arma is pretty decent. But the controls aren’t anywhere near as good as hunt, sensitivity wise, sound design sucks… eh

(For footsteps anyway. Gunshots are incredible)

[rocky path]

Arms is a good time. Especially Reforged or whatever it’s called

[rocky path]

Maybe after some time away you’ll be able to come back and appreciate the new Hunt in a different way!

[lucid anvil]

Perhaps so. But as I say, compounding issues. I was willing to appreciate it for the gameplay, but, even that… faster and faster, more and more spam, blademancer, shredder, crack shot, etc etc… hell, even surefoot removing the punishment for healing, being able to just sprint away…

Like I say. Just not the game for me.

Now, I drive supply trucks in reforger lol

[warped shale]

Not just scream but the generic dollar store connotations attached to it

Idk very much about woodworking but the shape is very unnatural looking to be carved from wood

the reaper does the EXACT same thing as ghost face 10x better

[rocky path]

As someone who’s spent a lot of time around woodworkers I think they actually did a very good job hahaha and just should have leaned more into the grainy look. The long face is very fitting and it seemed naturally carved to me.

[rocky path]

I sort of agree but the Reaper skin is way less detailed overall. Ghostface outfit is peak all around to the minor details (for me personally)

I wish the reaper got a second pass and some upgraded visuals now lol

[granite shard]

I think the reaper is effective for its purpose honestly

Plus like lore wise, I think his backstory is a lot more charming than what ghostface got (plus the additions to his character in tide of corruption)

[rocky path]

I’d agree! I instantly got the Reaper and there’s typically multiple in my roster haha. His lore is def better and I guess the minimalism fits his story as sort of being a shell of his former self

[spiral mica]

I really wish people would stop comparing Reaper to Ghostface as if that somehow justifies the collaboration.

[upbeat kiln]

As usual, you are right on the money ❤️

[ember halo]

The question on the survey asking if people care whether skins/characters fit in to the setting of the game tells you everything you need to know about Crytek caring about artistic integrity and what else is coming

Hunt is now a vessel product to shill collabs

The original IP is non-existent

[granite shard]

I’m hoping they’ll listen to feedback and change course but stuff gets planned out FAR in advance so if they do change course it’ll be ages until we see it

[topaz mirage]

aliens

ALIENS...

[granite shard]

Maybe you can find a new topic to discuss here? I think we’ve discussed all there is for aliens in hunt

[visual finch]

As Smalls stated, yes, try to find some constructive argument. If you want to generally discuss aliens in a non-hunt related way, feel free to do it in #off-topic

[earnest jungle]

Also while it will probably never get elaborated in the medium to long Desolation's wake kind of implies Lynch has some kind of connection to the outbreak in OH SHIT!

WHAT IF LYNCH WAS THE OTHER THING!?!

THE THING THAT REEKED OF SAGE THAT WASN'T THE HELLBOURNE

THE THING THAT KILLED PRESTON'S FELLOW CULTISTS IN GRIZLY LODGE

In chapter 5 of desolation's wake the Drowned have this to say about Lynch

"And what work is that?" I asked.
"Lynch has tossed her personhood aside, " Hex Breaker said. "If she ever had any to begin with, anyway. She's a kind of nature we don't understand." 
"She can only exist where the Corruption exists now, " the Drowned Kid added. "We hear her voice far away. Traveling."```

"We hear her voice far away. Traveling."

[spiral mica]

I know people have entertained the idea of a "Lynch boss" in the past but I'm still under the firm assumption that before the whole narrative went to shit that the original plan was to have the Ursa Mortis be the thing that was summoned at grizzly lodge. Although, I won't completely disregard the idea because you're right, it's confirmed that Lynch exists where the Corruption exists and I have no reason to believe that Lynch wouldn't have some sort of presence in Colorado.

[high stone]

Why is the researcher a nod to Doc Brown??

[earnest jungle]

I don’t know all I know is they have similar appearances and the devs seem to be fans of the third back to the future movie based on all of the references in game

[high stone]

…I thought he’s much closer to Henry Armitage, the Librarian in Lovecraft’s stories

He looks like Robin Williams crossed with Beethoven

Sort of crossed with an investigative journalist..Kolchak/Ben Franklin? Something along those lines

[spiral mica]

Because there's a Delorean on Lawson or something I don't know

[high stone]

I think this isn’t really the problem with the Malone and Scream crossover, even though I see your point. I wouldn’t care if he had a “character name”, it’s more about adding those flavors to the mix. Why associate his body of work with Hunt Showdown? Why associate with his associations? How does adding a commodified Pop music-hype-artist change the way Hunt feels? I don’t think of mediocre Rap/Country music when I think of Hunt. It cheapens it…worsens the increasingly shallow immersion, throws up a red flag as a cynical (or stupid) attempt at a cash grab…Maybe there was a much more restrained, acceptable way of adding PM to Hunt as a character…not Scream though

[rocky path]

The other stuff has been talked about so much but as far as WHY associate him with Hunt? Because he enjoys the game and he’s a recognizable name. For the maybe more casual fan or potential new player, they see someone they like enjoying something and thus are more inclined to give it a try. And give the game more longevity and new openings to new players.

[high stone]

Sure, that’s definitely the motive behind the crossover. I guess I thought I didn’t have to say this part, but: Is it worth it, with a game like Hunt, that relies so much on its own specific tone and artistic voice? The game isn’t like, a livestream party with Post Malone. If something as trivial as a celebrity endorsement will push a new player over the fence, I don’t know why you think they’ll stay and be interested in the game when the hype wears off

Pretty weird gamble to put him front and center of an event for Hunt

[lucid anvil]

Well, yeah, precisely.

Idk man. I just feel that the new skins with the cheap clown crap and the post Malone crossover which is blatantly a business decision just… for hunt, a game that has maintained its unique setting and tone so sincerely and for so long-

To me, having a rap artist in the game and all the crappy joker esque clown skins, the name of the event being ALL ABOUT post Malone, not Hunt, not the world of the game, not the plot they’ve been building, JUST the shitty celebrity cash grab-

It just sits wrong

It doesn’t “enhance the narrative”. It replaces any new narrative we get.

The whole reason there’s ANY lore now is to give a mild base for why post Malone exists in the 1800s.

And why he’s got his “murder circus”…

It just comes across as so… I don’t even know man. Just cheap. The game itself isn’t taking the plot seriously, that’s sure as shit with a name like post malones murder circus

Ugh. Sorry for the rant, but man does it make me sad to see the way this game has gone

[fickle sluice]

The issue I am seeing lately is not necessarily bringing in new players. The move to game pass was good. But ever since, I see a lot of very frustrated and confused new players. As much as I love the game, Hunt is extremely weak in the onboarding and retention business. Sure, the Voice of Geralt is leading you through a quite neat little tutorial. But that tutorial does not prepare you for all the bullshit an experienced Hunter can put you through when you're a Greenhorn. Even if you actually managed to get new players by sacrificing the tone of the game on the altar of malone... there's no work put into actually keeping them hooked and entertained enough to get their heads bashed against the wall that we call "a steep learning curve"

[granite shard]

tbh I don't know if there's really a way hunt can fix its new player onboarding

like it can give the best tutorials in the world but ultimately a lot of people just blast through tutorials as fast as possible and don't pay attention

[fickle sluice]

yeah, it's a tough gig. But sending Boyscouts out to fight Seal Team Six just ins't fair. I don't know if Bot matches would be a solution (I doubt it) but this just ain't it.

[granite shard]

bot matches deffo would not be a solution

[real dove]

I think a lot of the onboarding relies on friends rn

[granite shard]

I think something more like upping the new player protection to keep them matched with people with similar skill levels. maybe deprioritizing full lobbies

[real dove]

basically forcing folks to play until the like it

[granite shard]

the switch to prioritizing full lobbies over fair lobbies I think was a mistake

[real dove]

agreed

[granite shard]

I'd even be in support of like upping the new player onboarding to more like level 50 or something. maybe not letting them keep their hunter that whole time but keeping the baby gates on board for them in other ways (matchmaking)

[real dove]

I had to run the tutorial not that long ago and it doesn't do a bad job of explaining a lot of stuff

BUT

there's just so much to learn

[granite shard]

the tutorial is really solid

[fickle sluice]

The tutorial is good, I really like it.

Fair Lobbies should be Prio, I agree.

[granite shard]

moving targets in the practice range I think would help a lot of new players get familiar w the guns

[fickle sluice]

to be fair, it would be a help to me 🙈

[granite shard]

honestly copying what valorant does with the bot practice in the shooting range would be great

[fickle sluice]

Pretty sure a data scientist would have a field day if provided with enough metadata to understand how, where and when people die during the training phase. Armed with that information you could make a plan to onboard people better. Or at least retain them

[spiral mica]

Real talk, who is skinnier? Cowl or Silver spur?

[high stone]

A longer, multi stage, more serious tutorial would be such a great orientation to Hunt (if it’s presented as a good story intro, too.) The build up from longer, more detailed training could really set the tone for how brutal it is out there... Besides the cool environment design, the tutorial right now just feels like a “good enough for now” version

[high stone]

Yeah, “doesn’t feel like it’s taking itself seriously” is right on

[noble scarab]

I think cowl, man’s mostly skeleton

Then again both him and silver spur give the vibes of walking corpses

[real cedar]

Silver Spur is dying from TB so he's skinnier in the abstract. Cowl could choose to leave the hunt and put on weight eating bugs or whatever it is he does. Silver Spur will only get skinnier for the rest of his short life.

[spiral mica]

Chewing on some creepy crawlies probably won't put too much weight on our boy Cowl but that's a pretty fair assessment about Sikver spur.

In regards to Silver spur, isn't it stated somewhere that while on the hunt his coughing gave away his position which almost costed him his life and after that he started to take his condition a little more seriously?

[real cedar]

Yeah, his DLC story mentions that

[noble scarab]

His coughing got him shot, which made him seek the hunt after a vision

[earnest jungle]

Sliver Spur

TB is a wasting disease

[spiral mica]

Yeah and another thing I've noticed about Silver spur is how nice his outfit is and how it almost looks like it was tailor-made for his current condition.

[earnest jungle]

Well he has the money for it...

[spiral mica]

Yeah I think it could be evidence he had been successful in the hunt.

[granite shard]

he has to look extremely pretty, it's very important to him

[spiral mica]

Yeah I'd assume people back then with TB would be a bit self conscious about their appearances just as people with cancer who recieve chemotherapy are today.

[tired spear]

prioritizing skill match to full lobbies up to, say, level 75 of the first prestige would be perfect.

• doesn't stop you from playing with your friends, which is both an advantage because they can teach you longer without you going up in MMR, and a disadvantage because, well, you're not matched against new players only
• lets you play as solo and get an understanding of the game for several hours instead of a couple matches

[gilded umbra]

Silver Spur killed me yesterday, twice.

[earnest jungle]

Hey they actually listened to us and put the Mythos page where people can find it

[real cedar]

Hell yeah 💪

Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder if the Deadly Arsenal section is going to be the book of weapon descriptions, and the Ruthless Hunters will be the weapon mastery stories. That'd make sense

[gilded umbra]

I just knew they didn’t give up on lore completely. I figured they were just restructuring it.

[granite shard]

I would be surprised to see this stuff updated

I think it’s more likely that they’re giving into the fan demands to have it archived, just based on the news from the writing team (I.e. narrative director leaving)

Still, an official archive is a W

If it can get enough traffic I think there’d be hope for it to get updates again

[earnest jungle]

On a side note anyone have any idea what the "Löwenschild Regiment" is?

It's from the old Louisiana Scrapbook

I keep trying to do research on it; but all the pages are in German

It has something to do with Dragoons or Cavalry but I have no idea what

[rocky path]

I could have sworn they said they were bringing it back to the in game menu as well but I assume it's getting revamped

Could be wrong tho

[earnest jungle]

Unfortuantely Fifield has confirmed that is very much not what they're doing

[rocky path]

Can you tell me where he said that it wasn't happening?

I can't imagine it's top priority ofc

But I figure it's on the list somewhere

[earnest jungle]

Fifield was on a Stream with Ratcha a couple months back and the question of if the lore is on the road map and his answer was no

I've been trying to find it so I'll see if I can send you a link

[rocky path]

Ah well. I guess it depends on the context of what lore on the road map would mean. I guess we'll see.

If I was being given the task to help a game like Hunt I can't imagine lore would be top of the list priority either honestly haha

[earnest jungle]

Here it is

Let's see if there's a recording of the October 30th Livestream

[real cedar]

Someone will have had to upload the VOD to youtube at this point, it's prob been long enough that twitch auto deleted it

The alternative is to search discord on October 30/31 for other people confirming the bulletpoints of what was talked about, not as good as the first hand source though

[earnest jungle]

I found this summary of the QnA but near as I can tell it no longer exists on Twitch

We also have this from our own Alpacalix but all the links are dead

[real cedar]

Looks like this page talks about their formation and history, though calling them Lowenschild rather than Schlik is an odd choice considering they didn't partake in any battles under that name.
http://kronoskaf.com/wss/index.php?title=Schlik_Dragoons
Alternatively, it could be a fictional regiment from the later German empire, as their regiment nicknames were all royalty and nobility.

[earnest jungle]

I've found stuff like this as well

I suspect it is the later

a fictional regiment for the later German Empire

Or perhpas even the Austro-Hungarian Empire

[real cedar]

Regardless, it's kinda a dead end except for tracking the meta history of the lore. I'm fairly certain that letter and the Pellella note aren't canon, as Crytek chose not to add them to the website. My going theory is that the reference to dragons, poltergeists, and multiple sculptors were ordered to be squashed.

[rocky path]

Ah just now seeing this. Interesting info. Well, hopefully that's not set in stone and we'll see it return one way or another down the line lol

[earnest jungle]

Is the scrapbook on the Website

[real cedar]

Yup, except for those two pages:
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-louisiana-case-file

[earnest jungle]

Huh

[real cedar]

Similar to the current Lore migration it took a couple months between it being removed from the game in favor of the Book of Monsters and ending up on the website.

[earnest jungle]

It's kind of funny the Letter that gave us the name of the monster we're fighitng in the first place is no longer cannon

Anyway I'm working on a fic that might end up including some references to Scrapbook stuff

[real cedar]

It also gets rid of the small connection where we read about Pellela joining the Hunt and then he dies later in the book of weapons

[spiral mica]

Now I'm imagining a mythos tab in-game with all the previously established lore and event stories easily accessible for players to read and enjoy. 🥰

[earnest jungle]

This oh my god this

[noble scarab]

is it just me or is that version of the casebook missing files? i dont see the train ticket with lynch's name on it, or the blurb about the sculptor

[real cedar]

The train ticket is there, 'A. Lynch' is on the right part of the first ticket.
The sculptor blurb was in the Pellela note, which didn't get added to the website alongside the German letter

Ohh that is interesting now that I'm checking it

The website has the "flipped" version of the train ticket.

This is the image from the game

And this was on the website

The signature side was added

[earnest jungle]

OH MY GOD

I JUST REALIZED

I THINK THE MOSES MENTIONED IN CHARLIE SALTER’S JOURNAL IS MEANT TO BE JOHN MOSES BROWNING

[real cedar]

Good catch. John Moses Browning's (John Moses Crown in Hunt) father established a gunsmith shop in Ogden, which is mentioned in the journal as the starting point for the thunderbird hunt.

[earnest jungle]

See this is why it’s important to reread the lore

Sometime you notice things you missed before

[earnest jungle]

Anyway here’s a little teaser for the current fic I’m working on:

Author: Tamrat Scognamiglio
Translated from Voynich, page half obscured by dark brown (coffee?) stain, 11" x 17"

Stories abound across the old world of the monstrous aeneid monsters: The Geatish king Beowulf was slain in battle by a gigantic fire breathing slow worm; During the Reign of Artaxerxes II the Indus River was overrun with ferocious albino worms seven cubits in length; A seven headed serpent with seven crowns devours the a third of the Sun, a third of the Moon and a third of the Stars in The Book of Revelation; and the Sinners tell of a venomous burrowing worm-lizard that the natives of the Gobi Desert call Olgoi-khorkhoi. The names change, the details change, but always the Lindwyrm remains the same. It is fitting that Beelzebub has summoned forth such a demon to haunt our lands once more. Dragons and serpents have oft been used as representations and expressions of Satan and his demons.

The others are skeptical that this “Dragon” the german fought in Minnesota has any connection to the Demon at work in New York and The Swamps, but I am convinced. In his account of the Indus Worm historian Ctesias of Cnidus describes the creatures as resembling the larvae of the Figeater Beetle… perhaps this “Field Wraith” is the same. Not a serpent or a worm but the larvae of some insect twisted into the shape of a Dragon.

How I wish I could have joined Lynch in 1884 when she stalked what we thought to be the last of the Lyndwryma for fourty days and fourty nights across the frozen plains of Småland…

[Remaining Text is illegible] ```

[high stone]

Awesome!

[earnest jungle]

Thank you thank you; do you think I was able to capture Scognamiglio's style?

The main inspiration for this monster are the old concept art for the Water Devil and the Graboid from Tremors.

Interestingly the original concept for the Water Devil bears a striking resemblance to the Indus Worm described by Ctesias of Cnidus: 10 foot long predatory albino sea serpents with a singular tooth on it's upper and lower jaws.

Given that Ctesias never visited the India and was basing his account on stories he heard from travelers I think it is likely that the Indus Worm were in fact Salt Water Crocodiles, Fresh Water Dolphins, and various religious stories that he confused together into one mythological beast

although Ctesias described the Indus Worm as resembling Fig Eater Larvae as opposed to the Devil's tapeworm.

From there I did further research and discovered a fascinating connection between Worms and Dragons. Namely that the common English word for Annelids - worm - in fact derives from the name of a specific kind of European Dragon: Wyrms/Wurms/Worms

And Of course I couldn't create a lore post about a giant burrowing worm monster without a reference to the OG that inspired it all: the Mongolian Death worm... Which were probably just Sand Boas, Pit Vipers, that a visiting paleontologist mistook for a mythological creature. Because Like if you read the original description of them publish in On the Trail of Ancient Man by Roy Chapman Andrews in 1922 it's clear that the Locals are just trying to warn him about venemous snakes in the Gobi Desert but he's too racist and arrogant to realize that's what they're doing.

Which is kind of a recurring trend in cryptozoology. Locals warning foreign adventurers about dangerous local wildlife or telling them about the local hill-billies and because those adventurers have an extremely patronizing view of those locals they assume they're talking about some kind of mythological beast.

Twisting "hey watch out for venemous snakes in the desert" into "GIANT ACID SPITTING MAN EATING EARTH WORMS STALK THE GOBI DESERT" and "hey one time I had a run in with the local hillbillies after I accidentally shot one of them" into "GIGANTIC APE-MEN STALK THE FORESTS OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST HUNGERING FOR MAN FLESH."

(No joke this is where Sasquatch comes from: sasq'ets was what the Sts'ailes Nation called what were essentially hillbillies - recluses who lived in the mountains and woods away from civilization for one reason or another and because of academic racism these normal human people were transformed into antideluvian ape men)

Finally during my research on Wyrms/Lindworms I discovered that in 1884 an eccentric Sweedish Librarian named Gunnar Olof Hyltén-Cavallius offered a cash reward for anyone who could bring him a Lindworm specimen dead or alive

[real cedar]

Clown DLC incoming

Yet ANOTHER Centennial 💀

[granite shard]

man they're really just leaning hard into the clown thing

[real dove]

we know there is a missing skin

[granite shard]

but would the annie oakley skin be a skin with that sort of DLC name?

I get that this is the circus event and that some people wanted clown skins but this feels like overkill on the theme

maybe that's just bc I'm not personally into clowns

Lion's Roar earned its name by putting down one such feral beast.```

[real dove]

annie is BB

we know this

[granite shard]

beast tamer hunter?

[real dove]

She's going to be 900BB per the chinese twitter

maybe?

Would be cool

[granite shard]

could be the DLC where that uppercut skin's in I guess?

[random lava]

cause of 2 battlepass hunters and one bb hunter clowns?

[real dove]

the skins are supppppppppppppper clowny

[real cedar]

and Spinning Blade, and all the clown weapon skins

[granite shard]

2 BP hunters, 2 BB hunters, and then a good portion of the recent gun skins (in and outside of the BP) are all circus themed

[random lava]

it was only one bb hunter that was a clown

[granite shard]

it's just a Lot of circus stuff at once

knife spinner is circus themed which is I guess what I mean by "clown"

[random lava]

might be a bit pedantic but she isnt a clown 😄

[granite shard]

I get what you mean, but it all kinda is in that "this is a lot of circus stuff at once" realm and hits the same sort of demented pact fatigue I got last year

[real cedar]

It's a bit much now but think about if a similar amount of skin production happens for a cooler event theme

[granite shard]

I was being too specific with "clown"

[random lava]

tide of desolation had multiple nauticle themed hunters

[granite shard]

there was a lot of demented pact stuff across the tides events with the event hunters + skins + DLCs + blood bond hunters, there was other stuff but a good portion of skins had the same sort of worn out, kinda gross aesthetic

[real cedar]

What's your dream aesthetic for an event? Something you'd be like "They made 20 skins in this style? Hell yeah!"?
For me, it's the gilded theme that's been happening on and off, Desolation's Wake, Peacemaker, Lion's Claw, Lap of Luxury. Absolute beauts.

[real dove]

Maybe it won't have a hunter

or! maybe we'll get a female DLC

O.o

[granite shard]

I like the gilded skins a lot but I think for me, I think I generally prefer variety

[real dove]

We've still got annie

maybe she'll drop with some new BB weapons more akin to her theme

akin to Spinner

[granite shard]

like I think I'd like a couple of BB skins that correspond with the event so people aren't fully left out if they come in late and miss the BP, but I think my general preference is not going all in at once with a theme

if that makes sense?

[real cedar]

Yeah, a style that leaves you guessing so each new addition is a surprise and something to think about rather than a continuation

[real dove]

Ja. Idk. I think the BP has a fairly reasonable mix- esp since many of the "clown" skins are really just the same skin on weapons. I understand dropping a related DLC during the event. They're leaning hard into the PM/Circus stuff rn and I get it but I don't think the BP overall is mega clown heavy. It's not my fav BP by any means, but i do think it's a reasonable blend

[real cedar]

Naturally it's a lot more work, and it's prone to thematic drift like we've seen with the Hunters who have to keep digging out new niches

[granite shard]

I think it's also a matter of timing to an extent

[orchid tangle]

you get clown skins or PM spam skins, so also clown skins

[granite shard]

like for this it's a lot of stuff for an aesthetic that doesn't I'm not super into (same w the demented stuff from tides) all at once so I'm like :/, but it's cool when older themes they haven't expanded on for some time get things

like I'd love to see some more east asian inspired skins this year since it's been a few years since we've gotten a lunar new year skin drop

[mint wind]

To be the devil's advocate, it's a red and green clown skin. The ones we have are white.

[real dove]

Wat does the cloth say?

SPE

the E is iffy

lemme go home where i can zooooooooooooooom

[mint wind]

It's not much, but these are good-looking skins imo, and that's already more legitimate than getting the very similar trapper skins for dlc, BP, and regular marketplace.

[granite shard]

I think I just have the same general feeling as the trapper skins which is "eh, I wasn't a fan of them in the BP"

the trapper hunter was fucking awesome so I hope the hunter in this BP is the same

[real cedar]

Looks like 'Spectacular'

[real dove]

CULA

yeah

[real cedar]

The C in SPEC is especially iffy though

[real dove]

maybe a liontamer

it's a cula for sure

i zoomed in

[real cedar]

Perhaps, though isn't that usually the job of the Ringmaster? Post Malone has the whip and everything

[real dove]

im just going off the lion

doesnt the ringmaster master the whole ring?

vs the lion tamers are specifically lions

[real cedar]

There can be specific lion tamers, but as far as visual stereotypes go, the red ringmaster getup is worn by the guy who tames lions

[real dove]

chuh

guess we will see

[granite shard]

lion/beast tamer and strong man I think are two of the stereotypical circus roles we haven't seen filled yet by hunters

[real cedar]

Make it happen

[real dove]

Lioness Tamer pls

bonus if have lion head hat

akin to mountain man

lemme bobble it around

Hey

Lions roar

Not the last laugh

[noble scarab]

last laugh sounds like the hunter or dlc name

[real dove]

Ooo

So maybe a lion tamer

[granite shard]

I think lion's roar is likely the gun name

I do agree that it's possible we have a beast tamer hunter, but we'll have to see

[mint wind]

Might have a glance when looking at the Circus outskirts.

[real dove]

You right

[rocky path]

Those are heat. I love those

Not a fan of the colors on the wood but the metal looks good

[noble scarab]

Beats having PM stamped on it

[earnest jungle]

God the bar is in hell

Think we'll get an actual trailer this time?

[noble scarab]

It hit rock bottom in hell and kept digging

[earnest jungle]

We're limbo dancing with the sculptor with the state of the game post relaunch

[noble scarab]

I bet we get a combo trailer, new dlc, Annie, and what we blood bond guns they didn’t add

Like a showcase

[real cedar]

We'll almost definitely get a trailer, they've only missed a DLC trailer like 3 times out of 50+

[noble scarab]

It’s got less than 30 days left, I’m surprised we don’t already have Annie

[earnest jungle]

Wonder if it’s gonna be a Captain situation where the DLC doesn’t come out until after the event

OH GOD THAT WOULD IMPLY SOME KIND OF CIRCUS TRILOGY

🤡 🤡 🤡

Please god no more clowns

I’m sick of clowns

[real cedar]

It's probably more like a Pappy Redneck situation, he was added with only 12 days left in the event.

I really do wonder what the holdup is

[icy brook]

I want a US military or period military sampler platter event

But there are still people in hell asking for ice water 😔

[earnest jungle]

Unfortunately Hunt has the uneviable position of taking place during a relatively peacful time in American History

[icy brook]

I need more Indian Wars vets