lore-discussion

[limpid bobcat]

right

[real dove]

I wanna pat the bear

[sullen iron]

Yeah

[lucid anvil]

Agreed…

[real dove]

They better have names for the heads

[limpid bobcat]

I just wanna hunt for Sculptor's sake

[real dove]

Im not calling them ursa mortis

[lucid anvil]

Can we get rotjaw and the bear together in a big cuddle pile or something?

[real dove]

Mort and... Bort

[granite shard]

god the fact that we're not getting a book of monsters entry on the bear makes me sad

[real dove]

:C

[limpid bobcat]

I'm 100% sure people are gonna send so many fallout new vegas memes when he comes out, and I'm all for it

[granite shard]

I want to know more about my son(s) )::::

[lucid anvil]

Hm… I’m down with it honestly

[sullen iron]

That would require lore

Too much

[granite shard]

[real dove]

I still think there may be something

but

herg

we will see for sure when it goes live

gimme bear lore

[sullen iron]

Yeah but it isn’t the same

[real dove]

oh 100%

[lucid anvil]

God save the NCR! Desert ranger skin next? lol

[sullen iron]

Killing monsters to learn about them and the weapons

[lucid anvil]

I mean, at this point we can totally justify a knight skin, right?

[limpid bobcat]

that gun skin for the uppercut

[sullen iron]

And the stories put in

[real dove]

i think with the vikings we could have gotten a knight lol

[limpid bobcat]

basically a for honor crossover?

[real dove]

no clue

[granite shard]

I hope we don't get a knight man

[real dove]

mostly since we got 1 pair of cosplayers

[granite shard]

but atp we're gonna get one

[real dove]

why not more lol

[real cedar]

Having Bear lore means that Post Malone gets to be as core of a character as Chary or Huff or Preston.
If this is how they want the game to go, we're better off without lore as sad as it is to say.

[granite shard]

ugh you're right

[real dove]

:C

[sullen iron]

Christ that is a good point

[real dove]

but

herf

Bort and Mort it is

[limpid bobcat]

it's gonna be like in other communities, people will seperate lore Pre-X and post-x (malone in this case)

fnaf being the main example

not by having post malone tho

[lucid anvil]

Herf

Herf is a good word

[sullen iron]

Could we pretend that lore past the launch of 1896 isn’t canon

[limpid bobcat]

herf is a sound one would make when puking

[lucid anvil]

And puking is usually good for the body. I think. Maybe. Possibly?

[limpid bobcat]

yep. I think crytek is trying to do what dbd did, without having the necesarry groundwork for it

[sullen iron]

Sometimes

[sullen iron]

Money- ruins most niche games

Wanna know the ironic part?

[limpid bobcat]

go for it

[sullen iron]

Hunt will NEVER become mainstream or not niche unless they fundamentally change the gameplay

[earnest jungle]

Chappell Roan as joan of arc skin

[lucid anvil]

Mhm.

[sullen iron]

They will not get the COD big bucks

[real dove]

herg and herf

my 2 distress noises

[limpid bobcat]

extraction shooters will never become a casual game because of the sheer commitment they require, and if you dillute an ES it stops being an ES

[lucid anvil]

It always comes down to money

[sullen iron]

Cause it isn’t mindless- it is difficult and hard to learn

[real dove]

https://press.crytek.com/hunt-showdown-1896-reveals-post-malones-murder-circus-the-biggest-event-yet

[sullen iron]

But that’s why it’s so good to get good

[real dove]

i missed this

[lucid anvil]

I have learnt a new thing today

[limpid bobcat]

didn't miss much though lmao

[real dove]

no

[lucid anvil]

Oh… yippee..

[real dove]

i was making sure the bear name was in fact released

lol

[sullen iron]

Sorry dude

[real dove]

before i got myself in trouble

[real cedar]

Deposed King almost sounds like the Hunter title

[zenith perch]

What's everyone mad about now

[lucid anvil]

Post Malone event :)
I’m already on stage 7

[sullen iron]

Scroll up

[sullen iron]

No way

[zenith perch]

Cool

[sullen iron]

Death Bear?

[limpid bobcat]

I'm still on anger

[real dove]

yeah

[sullen iron]

Really?

[real dove]

hence my looking at the press

[real cedar]

So the Heliostone can just make monsters 🤔

[real dove]

rip the sculptor

[zenith perch]

New content is cool

[real dove]

was cool having you while you lasted

[limpid bobcat]

that's what happens when you move your writers to your other game

[sullen iron]

I’m sorry- that is the most cringe 13 year old edgelord name along with hellborn

[lucid anvil]

Agreed! Cool to get a new monster

[limpid bobcat]

hellborn atleast fits, cuz a fire guy born in hell...

[real dove]

Ursa Major is dead bear

id say it fits

[earnest jungle]

I actually kind of like the name

[limpid bobcat]

no new guns in this event

[earnest jungle]

I’m gonna call him Morti for short

[zenith perch]

Honestly, I don't really care about the post stuff. I just want more content for one of my favorite games

[sullen iron]

NGL it’s kinda catchy

[lucid anvil]

Just… wish it wasn’t post Malone man
Like, when do i get an event?

[sullen iron]

But I find it funny

[lucid anvil]

I’ve got more hours than him!

[zenith perch]

Contact crytek

[sullen iron]

But do you have money?

[limpid bobcat]

looking at your pfp, one and a half year ago, tide of shadows

[deft storm]

good! goooooooooddd

[sullen iron]

I was serpent moon- I play on Xbox

[earnest jungle]

I wouldn’t mind it as much but the fact that his name is slapped on both the hunter and the event reeks of shallow creatively bankrupt corporate marketing

[lucid anvil]

Just before! I think. Shadows was the first one right?

I started around the event with the skinned

[real dove]

yes

[deft storm]

yes but did you start rapping yet

[limpid bobcat]

every time they mentioned content they mentioned guns. Shame we won't get a new toy this time

[earnest jungle]

I’ve been here since before there were events

[real dove]

Shadows, then Corruption then desolation

[earnest jungle]

I have born witness to countless majesties and tragedies

[limpid bobcat]

so have I

[earnest jungle]

I can remember a time when the avto came with reserve ammo

[sullen iron]

Yep Corpo time

[lucid anvil]

Is the Hunter actually called post Malone, or?

[limpid bobcat]

It's funny how this channel and general have 2 completely different kinds of people

[deft storm]

what is the Heliostone???

[lucid anvil]

Yeah…

[limpid bobcat]

on general you'd be eaten alive if you said something bad about malone

[zenith perch]

Would I rather not have a celebrity collad? Yeah, but I'm not upset at it

Just want more content

[sullen iron]

Or anything approaching criticism?

[real cedar]

It's the magical macguffin that exists outside of the power of the sculptor but can do exactly what it does.
We're never going to learn anything about it and it'll never be mentioned after the event

[sullen iron]

That’s fair dude

[manic lichen]

Seems so

[earnest jungle]

I’m not sure if the Hunter name will be called Post Malone but the character is explicitly post Malone in the fluff. Like his christian name is Post Malone

[lucid anvil]

Fantastic…

[sullen iron]

Is Reddit in a shitstorm worse than usual?

[lucid anvil]

Did they post that somewhere?

[sullen iron]

If so I’m gonna watch it unfold

[lucid anvil]

Like, the description for the character mentions his name is post?

[earnest jungle]

It’s been in the teasers for this event let me find it

[lucid anvil]

Ah, thanks

[real cedar]

The Ballad of Post Malone is the same story these teasers and press releases are describing. Even if the skin's title is Deposed King or something, the description is definitely going to say Post Malone

[earnest jungle]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/post-malone-s-murder-circus-coming-soon
and

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-ballad-of-post-malone

[deft storm]

unreal

[earnest jungle]

It’s the murmurstone but without any of the narrative significance of the murmurstone

[real cedar]

The mumblestone

[real dove]

talkrock

[granite shard]

do you think you can defeat post malone in game by dumping a bucket of water on him

[real dove]

now Shiny

[earnest jungle]

It still pisses me off that the Hunt narrative has effectively ended on a cliff hanger with Scorched Earth

[sullen iron]

Conversation pebble

[granite shard]

he doesn't look like the type of guy to enjoy taking a bath

you can tell he's coming in the bayou by the smell of stale weed and cigarette smoke wafting your way

[zenith perch]

I will admit that I was wrong thinking Post wouldn't be in the game

[sullen iron]

Just curious- what was your reasoning for that?

[zenith perch]

Was thinking more of apex stuff, he designs things for them

But on the brightside of stuff, hunt will get more exposure no?

[granite shard]

Likely nothing that will stick

Hunt’s a hard game to get into

[zenith perch]

Exposure is exposure

Some people might stick

[real dove]

Yeah, this is what worries me, no that I wanna doom and gloom

[earnest jungle]

Maybe? But what is there for that exposure to stick too? Characters with no stories, an extraction shooter with perma death and a steep learning curve?

[zenith perch]

People might need engage in the game itself, but engage with the community

[sullen iron]

I don’t think so- retention was basically zero from the 1986 up date

[granite shard]

Less than zero

[sullen iron]

1896

[real cedar]

Probably about as many as paying the same amount for a marketing campaign

[granite shard]

We’re at the lowest player count in four years

[sullen iron]

I wonder why?

[zenith perch]

I know I'll stop playing hunt as much cause of Path of Exile 2

[sullen iron]

That was a rhetorical question- I have a few ideas why

[zenith perch]

Idk, I try to find the positives in stuff

[lucid anvil]

At what cost?

[zenith perch]

Being doom and gloom is tiring

[sullen iron]

Keep it up

[real dove]

Bear

[zenith perch]

:]

[sullen iron]

I respect it

[real dove]

Im so hype for bear

[zenith perch]

Yes

[lucid anvil]

Bear is a positive to be fair

[earnest jungle]

Terrible UI, horrible bugs, narrative gutting, vast swaths of content (maps, times of day, wild cars bounties) cut and not coming back soon if every

[lucid anvil]

Bears? Bear?

[real dove]

even if bear wants to eat my damn face

[sullen iron]

But for me I need to give criticism and speculate

[lucid anvil]

Worth it

[zenith perch]

That's fair

[earnest jungle]

People just love when you cut existing content from a game with no clear communication on when if ever that content is coming back

[zenith perch]

I believe things will get better, crytek shouldn't have rushed 1896, and now they're paying for it

[earnest jungle]

I blame Fifield

[sullen iron]

Yeah

[zenith perch]

Better than losing more people

[calm walrus]

me being born in 1896 and all, I think the update was good!

[lucid anvil]

100%

[sullen iron]

There is no defence for him

[calm walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[sullen iron]

There was promise but it’s all gone

[lucid anvil]

Damn, what’s your secret?

[zenith perch]

Yeah, Fifield has been really mismanaging the game

[calm walrus]

Regen shot

[lucid anvil]

Ooh, nice

[real dove]

let's move along please

[zenith perch]

I hope when Hunger comes out, it blows Hunt out of the water so that Hunt can have competition and be better

[sullen iron]

May I ask why?

We are mostly being respectful

[lucid anvil]

Oh yeah. I hope it comes to consoles honestly

Because I just… I need an alternative

[sullen iron]

Except for that one bloke

[real dove]

Because rarely does discussing devs go well and I'm really not wanting to hand out warns

[lucid anvil]

Ekolb

[real dove]

Simply not the place for it :)

[zenith perch]

Competition is healthy as well as alternatives

When there's none, things get stale

[sullen iron]

Fine- if in the future there is a big reason to discuss then I will but I’ll move on

[real dove]

I have no issue with discussing the future, only picking out specific devs as fault for stuff

Lore was my founding point here, and it saddens me to see it gone and nothing replacing it

:/

[orchid tangle]

it's fine Alpa you can just document where the catfish moves every week now

[zenith perch]

I believe it would come back one day

[real dove]

Man I wish I had time

[orchid tangle]

point me to the ingame lore

[sullen iron]

That is (in my opinion)a awful take

[lucid anvil]

Go read a book… good lord…

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-dr-cox-jd-sad-gif-24645338

[orchid tangle]

my favorite book is tied at goth by otshuichi and war of the worlds by hg wells

[calm walrus]

name 10 books

[lucid anvil]

The early Hunt stuff basically is a book

[real dove]

I can care about both

[earnest jungle]

So glad I blocked that troll

[real dove]

Seeing as they are indeed part of the game

or were, i guess

[earnest jungle]

Just ignore him and they’ll go away

[real dove]

:)

[calm walrus]

tagged one north west

[sullen iron]

Goes hard

[orchid tangle]

Chary isn't here anymore

[sullen iron]

Gone, reduced to atoms

[real dove]

Lowkey hoping we will see him return

[orchid tangle]

first I wann asee the lore return at all

[sullen iron]

Probably won’t happen

[zenith perch]

The First Heretic
Betrayer
Know no Fear
Soul Hunter
Blood Reaver
Void Stalker
Lords of Silence
Apocalypse
Lion: Son of the Forest
Lorgar Aurelian: Bearer of the Word

[earnest jungle]

Turned into a cloud

[zenith perch]

Yes

[real dove]

I doubt it

[granite shard]

if it happens it won't be in 2025

[real dove]

IMO it feels now that the lore is getting a wash

[granite shard]

like 2026 at the earliest and even then it's a long shot

[real dove]

SE was the end of the old stuff

[orchid tangle]

but I'll be dead by 2026

[earnest jungle]

Rip

[real dove]

i gotchu issac

War of the worlds, the Time Machine, Dune, moby dick, skullduggery pleasant (read as a kid, decent books), Frankenstein, Charlie and the chocolate factory, the hobbit, Le Morte d’Arthur, and burning steel.

[lucid anvil]

Thank you Alpa lol

[real dove]

chuh

[lucid anvil]

Oh, uh- see above :)

Some good books there

[calm walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/ihyd-i-hate-your-deck-edh-commander-magic-gif-24413501

[lucid anvil]

I need to finish Dune actually

[orchid tangle]

war of the worlds and goth are tied at my favorite, second is probably ring, three is battle royale, four summer, fireworks, and my corpse, and fith the magpie coffin are probably my top 5

top 10 I'd hae to think

[lucid anvil]

He looks happy. That makes me happy :)

[granite shard]

we should go with peak literature:
warrior cats into the wild, warrior cats fire and ice, warrior cats forest of secrets, warrior cats rising storm, warrior cats a dangerous path, warrior cats the darkest hour, warrior cats midnight, warrior cats moonrise, warrior cats dawn, warrior cats starlight

[lucid anvil]

Nah, I could never get into it

[orchid tangle]

poor poor yellowfang

[lucid anvil]

Which is probably a good thing…

[earnest jungle]

Are the warrior cats any good?

[lucid anvil]

Very expensive

[granite shard]

no but they're very nostalgic

[real dove]

enough with the gif spam

[granite shard]

if you hold no nostalgia for them there's no appeal, if you were a fourth grade girl reading tigerstar lose all nine lives after getting his guts ripped out, they're peak

[real dove]

It is in here

[orchid tangle]

I cried at yellowfangs death and that's all I kinda remember

[granite shard]

yellowfang the goat

[earnest jungle]

I refused to read the books out of spite because my sister hated dogs because of them

I kind of feel like I missed out

[granite shard]

you did, they were wild

[lucid anvil]

I really like war of the worlds.

[orchid tangle]

I've reread wotw like 4 times

[lucid anvil]

The whole scene with the thunder child is really nice imo

[orchid tangle]

I wish the movies were ever accurate to the book

[lucid anvil]

And I LOVE the language he uses

[granite shard]

a book everyone should read is bitten by kelley armstrong -- it's one of my favorite takes on werewolves and just a really fun read

that whole series (women of the otherworld) is incredible but also it's 13 books and that can be hard to get through

[lucid anvil]

Same honestly. In the book, they aren’t immortal, just wildly advanced.

[orchid tangle]

my favorite scene is probably when they're first coming near London and the black smoke is first described flooding over artillery units and soldiers

[lucid anvil]

The artillery kills one, but the others just shoot right back. I love it. Because they can be killed, it’s just a hopeless fight

[real dove]

I still think Hunt could make a cool ass book

[granite shard]

it really could

[lucid anvil]

Absolutely

[earnest jungle]

Of course you would recommend a werewolf book

[real dove]

Something like.... crap what was it

World war Z?

[lucid anvil]

Oh yeah, I like that bit. The musical is great too.

[real dove]

with chapters from a host of people

[granite shard]

like honestly if the moon trilogy was given time to fully cook and was full book length I think people would have resonated with it a lot more

[granite shard]

I'm a simple woman

[earnest jungle]

What kind of sick world are we living in that fnaf gets multiple novel series and hunt gets nothing

[lucid anvil]

What’s it about?

lol

[granite shard]

a woman had been turned into a werewolf like a decade ago and never really fully accepted it. she left the pack about a year prior to the story to pretend to be a human up in toronto but gets called back to help investigate some murders happening on pack territory and then it goes into thriller/mystery territory from there

[real dove]

DUDE

we have bear

[granite shard]

it's so pre 9/11 in a lot of ways which makes some things really funny

[real dove]

can we have WW boss now too

[earnest jungle]

BEAR

[lucid anvil]

WB

were bear

[granite shard]

the second book really works these days too bc the villain is a tech bro

[calm walrus]

Me reading lore and eating rn:

[lucid anvil]

Sounds interesting… I might have to give it a read you know!

Thanks for the recommendation!

[granite shard]

I hope you do!! it's seriously one of my favorite books of all time

[earnest jungle]

We got a circus bear before either a vampire or werwolf boss 🙂‍↕️

[orchid tangle]

otshuichi is my favorite author though his stories are either peak or like really really weird stuff

[earnest jungle]

Which is kind of funny with how many weapon skins reference werewolves and wolves in general

[orchid tangle]

idk if I want a werewolf boss I saw the art the week rotjaw was released

[lucid anvil]

There’s something about a good hardback…

[granite shard]

one of these days I should actually read dune

[real dove]

I need to read dune again

T tried to tell me about it

[earnest jungle]

What kind of artwork 👀

[real dove]

I fell asleep

did not work out

[real cedar]

Damn that's so much nicer than the modern paperback cover. The OG cover though is peak

[lucid anvil]

I’ve not finished it yet, but I’m about half way through. Very much enjoying it.

[granite shard]

yeah it was a little slow for me, but I did like the first movie

[orchid tangle]

I don't know anything about dune except when the trailer for the new movie came out my mom said when the og movie came out they gave you a dictionary to read with the movie to understand words

[granite shard]

lmao wild

didn't the original have like sting in it

[lucid anvil]

Ooh, you want to see a real nice hardback? Hold on a sec

[real dove]

We were watching the first movie

and he was trying to explain stuff

and i laster 5 min before I was happily asleep

[earnest jungle]

The new movie is weirdly divorced from all of the arab and muslim culture that informed the book.

[lucid anvil]

Golden page edges too.

[granite shard]

oooooh

[earnest jungle]

Oh that is a beaut

[lucid anvil]

XD

[granite shard]

I love physical books but man ebooks take up so much less space

[lucid anvil]

I don’t fully remember where I got it, but it’s very pretty

[orchid tangle]

when I was in 4th grade private school they made us read a midsummer night's dream while walking outside in the morning no matter the temperature (we were reading it in winter), and the school had just started up so the girls only had skirts and shit. Made me hate shakespeare

[lucid anvil]

I don’t read too much, so I like having a collection of hardbacks for my favourites or really good books.

[granite shard]

makes sense!!

[lucid anvil]

By bookshelves are double stacked lol

[earnest jungle]

Catholic schools?

[lucid anvil]

Books in front of books

[granite shard]

I loveeee reading

[lucid anvil]

I have no idea where anything is

[orchid tangle]

no just private

we do have a catholic church every like 5 blocks though

[lucid anvil]

I just know it’s there. somewhere… probably.

I’ve got a lovely set of books- forget the name of the sieries…

But one of them is “spacewreck: ghost ships and derelicts of space”. It’s one of my favourites.

Lots of beautiful retro sci-fi artwork

[orchid tangle]

I really loved wonder in 5th grade. That's a good elementary level book and probably helped a lot of children empathize with others

[earnest jungle]

Really

It’s classic literature dang it

[real dove]

Yes, it's in the filter, let's not bypass it

[orchid tangle]

just say moby richard!!

[real dove]

I know but it's in there for other reasons lol

[lucid anvil]

XD

[earnest jungle]

Fine Moby Richard

[real dove]

lol

[earnest jungle]

OH SO YOU GET TO CALL MOBY RICHARD BY HIS TRUE NAME BUT I’M FORCED TO DEADNAME HIM!?!

[real dove]

howling

trust me

it's a power I fear

[earnest jungle]

This is anti-Italian discrimination

[real dove]

as a 1/4 italian, nay

[earnest jungle]

Which 1/4

[orchid tangle]

I'm American so I'm pretty much from every country

[real dove]

my left leg

actually

[earnest jungle]

Well the whole left side of my body is Italian!

[real dove]

ive been doing the mamma mia hand thingy lately

[granite shard]

oh dear

[real dove]

maybe my right arm is now the 1/4

[granite shard]

that's terminal my friend, sorry to inform you of that

[real cedar]

Rome is spreading

[real dove]

:c

[earnest jungle]

LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!

[deft storm]

true!

[visual finch]

Impossible, i'm 100% italian and i can say Moby Dick

[deft storm]

Editing and executive fuckery aside, the 84' Dune has great actors and production design, a lot of it looks like the John Schoenherr book illustrations!

[earnest jungle]

It’s because I’m Piedmontese isn’t it!

[visual finch]

Oh damn, yeah, that's it. Sorry. I have the strenght of a thousands piadine by my side.

[noble scarab]

We a book discord now?

[visual finch]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[granite shard]

without lore in the game, local word fiends turn to the printed word

[deft storm]

lol

[real dove]

someone make the books into a SN hunterbook style book

[deft storm]

distributing underground lore

[real dove]

would be cool af

[orchid tangle]

does anyone want my box of books every birthday my grandpa gets me like drug store books for cents a piece

and always like 20 at a time

[real dove]

I have to start packing all my books up here in a few weeks

:c

just got them unpakced

packed

[raw mesa]

As this is the only channel I pay attention to, what a Wednesday and time to go back to lurking

[noble scarab]

All my books are packed away outside of the bunch that I’ve accumulated since the last time I’ve had to pack them up

I look forward to one day maybe being able to put them on a shelf

[orchid tangle]

the books I took to my dorms have a clothes drawer to live in

[real dove]

I need a third shelf for mine

[earnest jungle]

I’d offer to share my hunt showdown fics but the ones I could share haven’t been written yet and the other ones…

[orchid tangle]

I was about to say I wonder if I can find any hunt showdown fan fics

[real dove]

lol

[earnest jungle]

I mean I have a spicy fic I wrote for a friend

[granite shard]

there's like 30 something on ao3

99% of them are crossovers with other fandoms

[orchid tangle]

gonna have a marathon

[granite shard]

funniest crossovers are: zootopia, pokemon mystery dungeon, my hero academia, and the KPOP band stray kidz

[orchid tangle]

yeah I'll have to read them all and rank each one individually

[noble scarab]

Hazmat made some fan lore awhile back, I think it’s still on his YouTube

[earnest jungle]

I’m planning to write a Hunt Evil West Crossover

[real dove]

my fav Hazmat fan crossover is that WW trailer

that was so clean

I turned the in game poster into a real poster for a hunt dnd I ran

(it was never used)

[granite shard]

I’ve thought abt writing a fic that takes the moon trilogy and fleshes it out more

But that would be a lot of effort for a very tiny audience

[orchid tangle]

I couldn't write one I'd kill every character

[deft storm]

great trailer!

[real dove]

RIGHT

I saw it and was hype

Then learned it was a fan one

[green pollen]

All I’m imagining is two hunters fucking while waiting for the bounty

[high stone]

I’m probably going to do a Harold Black fanfic comic i’ve been writing…not sure when that would be done though 😅

[earnest jungle]

I can send it to you if I want when I get back from work

[green pollen]

You know what sure, I could use a bit more hunt showdown being fucked today

[orchid tangle]

can I read it

[earnest jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-grinch-evil-smile-creepy-smile-gif-7618321

Sure

[spiral mica]

Not that kind of fan fiction bud

I'm wanting to write a tide of shadow story that mainly focuses on the Reptilian's gang and I also want to write a desolation wake story that involves Reptilian and his gang with Felis and hers. Together they would stave off the lawful invaders and maintain the natural order.

[ember halo]

Is hornback part of the same group as the two reptilians

[noble scarab]

She is yea

[earnest jungle]

Something I miss about the lore is you could tell that the people making the game were fans of westerns

[orchid tangle]

they shoulda took from westerns more and gave us a carriable fictional maxim gun with an unmoving belt

[spiral mica]

Yep! As far as right now she is the only female member of Reptilian's gang but I hope we get more hunters like that.

[ember halo]

She was my main for a while after turncoat.

It's probably a bug but she has always had the tier 2 animations and not the tier 3 like most legendary hunters

[vernal stag]

Hey look, I called it!

[lucid anvil]

Woah
That’s me! :D

I’m in a meme!

lol

[raw mesa]

That’s you! :)

[spiral mica]

She's definitely one of the cooler hunters and her lore is simple but cool too

[fickle orchid]

What are the bounties lore wise

[real cedar]

Distilled essence of the targets which happens during banishment, it takes the form of a small token the size of a coin. It contains some strong occult power within them, and have been used in various experimental rituals by rich and influential people, such as turning Ochenkov's Widow into a powerful brute, transforming a guy into the Hellborn as a byproduct of a ritual to make oil flow from clay, and summoning creatures from beyond.

[spiral mica]

The bounties are the tokens you pick up from boss targets iirc

[fickle orchid]

Thanks for the answer

[real dove]

The widow

The hunter

[real cedar]

Ochenkov's Widow, the hunter skin, used to be a regular person, now she's some kind of semi-frankenstein thing that can punch clean through a person's torso

[real dove]

Old lady with wires all over her face

[spiral mica]

Half grunt half human hybrid

Chary was using her as a bodyguard during the Devil's moon event.

[tired merlin]

Is there any way to find clear info on the lore from the beginning i wish to start at the beginning of all this

[real cedar]

While it's not perfectly categorized in chronological order for reading from the beginning, the Compendum in the pinned messages of this channel has just about every piece of lore in the game available to read.

[tired merlin]

Thank you

[lucid quail]

You guys talked about Ursa Mortis and the Heliostone yet?

Or the 'Deposed King' (post Malone as a circus ring leader i assume)

[real cedar]

Just a bit. Heliostone seems like weak storytelling. Unless we're actually getting event lore this time around, it's hard to care about the little blurbs they put in the press releases. Like Harvest is supposedly an Avatar of Dark Sight but that'll never be expanded upon or impact the story in any way.

[deft storm]

This annoys me too..... "Deposed King" sounds like one of those meaningless, lazy poetics they make for characters in things like Destiny or MTG...like Tarnished Harbinger, or the Awakened Scourge, etc. Why is he deposed? From what? What does a king have to do with a circus?

The Revived Avatar

[real cedar]

He was the ringleader, but someone with the Heliostone somehow got rid of him and corrupted the circus, thus a deposed king

[lucid quail]

I would guess maybe he was the king of the circus or head guy then got kicked out, probably after the fucking bears turned into bloodborne beasts

[deft storm]

got it...deposed Ring Master

Rai where are you seeing the Heliostone stuff?

[lucid quail]

I guess deposed king has a better ring to it

I heard apparently in an email from crytek they say something about it

[deft storm]

yea it's the current convention of making things sound "EPIC"

[lucid quail]

My source

I'm starting to wonder if they'll make the sealed caches like a circus tent or something

[deft storm]

ah Helios, that's why there's the sun banner and decorations

[lucid quail]

Or put a circus tent in a compound and have the Ursa mortis there

[lucid quail]

That makes sense

[real cedar]

Two other links besides the email:
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/post-malone-s-murder-circus-coming-soon
https://press.crytek.com/hunt-showdown-1896-reveals-post-malones-murder-circus-the-biggest-event-yet

[deft storm]

tyty

the new boss: DorDasch, the Defiled

[lucid quail]

I was wondering the other about something from Tide of Corruption, or desolation I forgor but in one of the death pact stories from The Worm digger guy idk his name, he talked about a mound that was infinitely large or something, made me think of Mammons gulch

[lucid quail]

OH MY GOD

[orchid tangle]

do we know anything of new weapons yet

[real cedar]

That was in the Land of the Dead during Tide of Desolation. The mound was going to birth some titan that heralds the end of ages, like the Romans might've done once before.

[lucid quail]

Ahh I see

I didn't look very far into it I just remembered it the other day

[lucid quail]

I'm not aware of anything yet

[lucid quail]

I also haven't read these

Yet

[real cedar]

It mostly repeats what the email said

[lucid quail]

Be sure to keep an eye on the Spotify of Curtain Call, since last time with Dressed to Die they had a chopped up version of a trailer shown early

I image within the next 5 days we'll have more info and the release trailer, but thats my hunch

[orchid tangle]

my only issue is like... surely they're not adding him as a hunter and event but not putting him in the music

[real cedar]

Here's hoping they don't 2 months of Posty rather than good ol PSB

[lucid quail]

The song says nothing about featuring or collabbing with post so I'm not sure

[orchid tangle]

16 year old me was studying while listening to dark in new orleans on loop, tell him in 2 years he'd be hearing port sulphur band work with post I'd probably have laughed at you

or more than likely I'd say "whose that"

[lucid quail]

I think the guy in the teaser besides the clown whoses definitely a hunter, but the post Malone cowboy man is likely a hunter

[real cedar]

I'm still saying "whose that" even after all this marketing

[orchid tangle]

man I can't really care for the clown either

this might be the one pass I don't buy

[lucid quail]

Singer guy who sung about a sunflower

I'm getting that damn clown

Even if it's pay to lose

[orchid tangle]

they should let me design an event I have all the credentials

[lucid quail]

I assume it's all in the name?

Your credentials that is

[orchid tangle]

my credentials are not being crytek which is probably a very good plus currently

[lucid quail]

It'd either be a smash hit or no body would be happy

Or the same as usual

Few care so badly and the rest don't

[orchid tangle]

my dream pass would be a military intervention since theres more demented and drowned and other magic weirdness than normal government worker hunters by now. skins for the spencer, maynard, new weapon is a realistic springfield musket and remington 1875. Hunters can be a new primal or demented, some rando current military guy, and I really want an old civil war general side I don't care but the north means the community wont be annoying.

[lucid quail]

Ursa mortis mean "Bear of Death" in Latin

[real cedar]

I wonder what regular ass Hunters call it 🤔

[granite shard]

Big fuckoff bear

[real cedar]

Maybe the name caught on from more learned types but I feel like hunters seeing it for the first time wouldn't pull out their latin to english dictionary, though it was much more common to know that at the time

[noble scarab]

Have we posted the rest of the murder circus news here?

If not: For those that don't get emails from Crytek, here's the full email regarding the new boss and update

The boss's name is Ursa Mortis.

"In this exclusive collaboration, iconic musician and Hunt: Showdown 1896 fan, Post Malone steps into the role of the Deposed King, leading a twisted carnival corrupted by the dark power of the HelioStone.

The circus, once a beloved spectacle, now harbors monstrous horrors like the terrifying Ursa Mortis, a savage bear created from the corruption of two conjoined orphaned cubs who were once beloved by the circus. This monstrous creature now stalks the grounds, ready to devour anything that crosses its path.

Post Malone’s Murder Circus introduces new Hunter skins, weapons and weapon variants, a new Monster Ursa Mortis, and a surreal, carnival-inspired atmosphere that blends perfectly with the game’s gritty historical setting.

Be ready, Hunters - Post Malone’s Murder Circus will open its gates soon. The event will be available for all players on PC, PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X|S. Keep an eye out on our socials for the official date and more info!"

[granite shard]

I think it does stand apart from names like rotjaw/the butcher/the spider/the assassin where those are pretty simple, self describing names

[noble scarab]

Shamelessly stolen from Reddit

[granite shard]

Scrapbeak is a little more complex but still like “oh yeah it’s a bird guy w junk”

[real cedar]

His beak's made of scrap, fits perfectly

I bet most players will just call it The Bear

[granite shard]

Yeah

And I guess since it’s not a boss target it’s just a bigger ai it sticks out against Meatman/armored/hives/immolators

Idk what they could have called it bc the bear is too plain but ursa mortis just sticks out in a weird way

[noble scarab]

They should’ve just called it the murder bear, after the murder circus

Much easier to remember

And i think hunters would be more memorable too if they were modern day celebrities. Dunno who Hardin is, but we know who post Malone is, right?

https://tenor.com/view/wut-shrug-gif-21587752

[spiral mica]

How about death bear?

https://tenor.com/view/roundhouse-kick-death-bear-bear-regular-show-gif-20240740

Also the Heliostone sounds about as goofy as the Murmurstone.

[real cedar]

Murmurstone grew on me cause of all the story behind it. It's a perfect word, barely audible and hard to understand, kinda foreboding.

[noble scarab]

Why another rock?

Even looking at old lore the sculptor doesn’t deal in rocks

[vivid crystal]

I just love the way the butcher said murmurstone, it won't be the same

[real cedar]

When you're out of ideas, re-using parts of the mythos becomes the go-to cause you know it "fits". Star Wars lives off that these days.
They did the same thing with Ghostface.
"Just as other Sculptor artifacts like the Murmurstone had their own powerful effects, we see the mask as another artifact spreading madness and foul deeds. "

[noble scarab]

🙃

[orchid tangle]

I honestly wouldn't mind if there wasn't lore this time

[torn light]

Bear of death or death bear is honestly really sick sounding

[spiral mica]

Someone who is a carves rock is also called a sculptor

[spiral mica]

Moymoystone

[upbeat kiln]

did that bear just do a friggin' spinning wheel kick

[spiral mica]

Yes he did

Regular show was a beautiful thing

I hope the bear in hunt does the same thing

[lucid anvil]

You know what I’d like? For post melon to be an event skin. That way, I won’t have to see I too much. I know that isn’t happening. But…

[orchid tangle]

oh shit

you're right actually

I assumed he'd be event not noticing the obvious

[lucid anvil]

I’m probably gonna call them death bear ngl
Metal as fuck

[lucid anvil]

I’m assuming it’ll be DLC or something lol
It’s to make them money. Doubt they’ll have him limited.

Although I would like that

[real dove]

To be seent

I'd think we'll get more event stuff pretty soon

More than a 30 sec teaser at least lol

[fickle sluice]

Knowing my guys, the bear'll be called Pooh

[lucid anvil]

Honestly wouldn’t be a shock

[lucid anvil]

Lmao

Next collab?

[fickle sluice]

There's even a part two with Tigger I think

[lucid anvil]

XD

[brazen root]

have we heard about this heliostone before

[granite shard]

Nope

[limpid bobcat]

Heliostone 🤢

[limpid bobcat]

It's basically a murmurstone ripoff because the writer team (or lack thereof) ran outta ideas

[brazen root]

wonder what it does

and why they capitalized the S lmao

[real dove]

i love them

discord please

load

please

[noble scarab]

This rock also whispers

Murmurs, even

[brazen root]

maybe whispering stones are common in the hunt universe lmao

[limpid bobcat]

Looks like someone already tried to kill him

[limpid bobcat]

Imagine kicking pebbles on the street and the thing you kicked whispers to you

[real dove]

Whisper yells at me

[visual finch]

I would scream at you if you kick me

[real dove]

Like my mom when I was a kid

Amon you willingly go fight people

[limpid bobcat]

But the Helios is patient so it whispers

[brazen root]

also wonder why someone would choose a circus to corrupt hmm

[visual finch]

Be glad it's not the AmonStone

[lone maple]

No matter the stone, forgotten in two months

[real dove]

That's the next event

It'll be on a fan website

Don't worry

[lone maple]

I want to scream

[real dove]

Welcome to my world

ScreamingStone

[lone maple]

Can we agree that I am allowed to write extra Plague Doctor lore

[real dove]

Sure!

[lone maple]

No one to fact check me let’s go

[noble scarab]

Next event: insert random celebrity here is here and they need this rock

[brazen root]

lets hope the event drops some lore tho

[granite shard]

It won’t

[brazen root]

harvest taught us that people are using dark sight for weaponry but that's about it

[native marlin]

we can dream

[granite shard]

Don’t worry! It won’t be Nicki Minaj, because clearly people were worried abt specifically her and not the concept of celebrity skins in general

[brazen root]

nah you guys are worried for no reason, hunt's playerbase is too small for there to be any other celebs playing it

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, that whole statement feels really, really slimy now I won’t lie

[granite shard]

I hate that lore now is just an excuse to justify collaborations

Idk it takes the fun out of speculating abt shit when the purpose is “we have to make post Malone fit into the hunt universe somehow”

[native marlin]

100% the lore game is the worst ive ever seen it

[brazen root]

at least he's just playing a character tho

[granite shard]

And like I mentioned this the other day but it’s become less fun diving into new hunter lore now that we’ve lost any form of overarching story

I mean his character is still named post Malone

[real dove]

Is he?

[brazen root]

feels like a johnny silverhand situation

the deposed king

deposed malone lmao

[granite shard]

The deposed king also referred to as post Malone

[real dove]

Reads to me as Post Malone is in hunt

[lucid anvil]

With a p and m on his boots

[lone maple]

The overarching story is us building up to a showdown.. hunt, showdown..

[lucid anvil]

And also shares his face.

[limpid bobcat]

Man some community managers are so out of touch

[brazen root]

stands for Punt Mowdown, trust

[granite shard]

That wasn’t a community manager who said that lol

[lucid anvil]

LMAO

[lucid anvil]

Beard man :)

[brazen root]

the face is fine imo

[granite shard]

Man it’s just insane to me the way hunt and overwatch stand on opposite sides of a seesaw for me— when one starts moving forward w its lore game and looking hopeful the other just takes a nosedive

[limpid bobcat]

Oh no..

[brazen root]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-keanu-we-have-a-city-to-burn-handsome-shades-off-gif-16336796

[lucid anvil]

Really, really disagree

[granite shard]

[lucid anvil]

Ghostface was alright because under the mask it could be anyone. This is straight up post.

[granite shard]

I am constantly experiencing it’s so joever and we’re so barack at the same time endlessly

[lucid anvil]

It’s not the same thing as acting. It’s a crossover.

[brazen root]

Wake the fuck up, hunter. We've got a circus to burn

[native marlin]

i personally would hate ghostface more, as hes more of an iconic charatcer, but im not a fan of either

[granite shard]

I don’t like either

I think I’d be fine w them if they weren’t canon to hunt

Just say “hey this is not canon to the game, but if they were in the hunt universe this is how it would work”

[native marlin]

i want this game to thrive, so its nice if this pulls players, but removing the lore and adding immersion breaking skins, makes me so sad

[green pollen]

I would be fine if they changed ghostface so it literally just isn’t him and if it was post Malones great great great grandfather

[granite shard]

But now Literal Post Malone is canon to the game world

[native marlin]

since they dont care about the lore, theyd never do this, theyre in a "fuck it" mentality

[granite shard]

Just makes me sad man

[green pollen]

God damn is this what it an over watch player feels like?

[limpid bobcat]

They prefer to sacrifice current players for a chance of pulling the new ones. Let's see how this strategy plays out

[brazen root]

Definitely a crossover, but also seems like the Deposed King is a character played by Post (i'm hoping i'm right pls crytek)

[green pollen]

If it doesn’t work let’s hope they pull up their britches

[native marlin]

to be frank, i dont think MOST players care about the lore

[granite shard]

Honestly this is more dismal than even the worst of the OW drought

[native marlin]

but they def arent catering to lore people

[granite shard]

At least the OW drought didn’t delete the lore lmao

[green pollen]

Jesus H Christ

[native marlin]

couldve literally shoved it into the settings somewhere if they were worried about it "taking up ui space" but no they trashed it as a middle finger

[real dove]

Post Malone lore: rock does bad things, post Malone doesn't like this, post Malone chases rock

[granite shard]

Just put it on the hunt site as an archive

Stop relying on fans to do the damn preservation work

[native marlin]

that couldve been nice too, my point is, they didnt care at all

[granite shard]

Yeah

[native marlin]

the lore was THERE it was DONE you just gotta put it SOMEWHERE

[real dove]

Nah, it's on a fan website

[granite shard]

:)

[real dove]

🙃

[native marlin]

fans got it, like we trust them to make graphs for mechanics (that we have internally) well just let them do this too!

[granite shard]

I miss my wife, tails, I miss her a lot

(My wife is the lore)

[native marlin]

my wife turned into the moon

[brazen root]

the announcement of the OW2 update gave us the first piece of present day lore since the pre-release trailers lmao, being an ow lore enjoyer is probably more tragic than being a hunt lore enjoyer ngl

[native marlin]

dont get me started on them never releasing info, graphs, hell even putting stuff they change in patch notes and just relying on the community to do it

i feel like ive had to do more testing and stuff just to find out how things even function, and keep testing, like how the krag doesnt pen metal still, which i know theyre working on fixing

[granite shard]

Nah we’re getting fairly consistent stuff now

Each season is coming w comics and more often stories and whatnot

[brazen root]

kinda true

feels weird to say but the three paid missions were the best OW lore drop ever lmao, i hope we get some real in-game story/lore in hunt at some point

[granite shard]

I was genuinely super choked up watching the in game cinematics. I know there’s a ton of stuff tied up to the PvE that’s stopped other things from happening, but it looks like w the latest hero and some other recent stuff they’ve really found a way to pivot and explore other areas (and there’s rumblings that the unannounced blizzard PvE game is them salvaging the finished cinematics & story for the ow2 pve)

But like man I’d also love for something to happen w hunt where we get to really experience an in game story

[brazen root]

yuuup

shit happening in game on the maps or something

[granite shard]

Imo OW2’s big misstep was Kaplan wanting the life game to be tied to the PvE and so that sunk everything down— hunt would need an entirely separate PvE game to get a full story. But like give us standalone novels like OW does

[brazen root]

give us a fuckin

[real dove]

No

[brazen root]

comic book, a lore cinematic, an in game story event, anything 😔

[granite shard]

A comic would be sick

[brazen root]

the 1896 cinematic was sick, more like that pls

[granite shard]

Sick but probably expensive as hell

[brazen root]

follow those three characters on some new shenanigans

lmao true

[granite shard]

I know the OW cinematics cost like 20-40 million each

But like longer form story content where it’s able to follow a more contained, smaller conflict would do wonders

[lucid anvil]

Go raid that treasure ship off the coast of Colombia or something idk

[brazen root]

i wonder if that show they were looking into making is still a possibility or if that prospect was scrapped

[granite shard]

I think it’s a long long long shot

[lucid anvil]

What’s it called? I know the cargo is worth like 20 billion dollars

[granite shard]

Goddamn maybe I should look into ship raiding

[lucid anvil]

XD

Uhhh
San Jose I think? Something like that

Was loaded with gold, silver, emeralds etc
Sunk in battle, and now it’s just sat there

Apparently the powder magazine blew

[brazen root]

with arcane, the last of us, and edgerunners, now seems like a pretty good time for a hunt show if that thing with Binge is still in production

[lucid anvil]

I think they said the rights expired?

But yeah, it would be a very good time for it

[brazen root]

ah yeah someone lost the rights at some point

[high stone]

I’m kinda relieved they didn’t start the show. Hunt still needed to iron out its final form and the show would have probably just confused things further. It would have been painful if it was lackluster…even standard streaming shows aren’t great

[sinful bloom]

Question has the helistone ever been brought up before don't remember so just thought I would ask

[native marlin]

dont think so but im not a lore master

we had murmur, but thats all i got

[lucid anvil]

So far as I know, never

Talkrock 2

:)

[sinful bloom]

Alright just wasn't sure since it been a while since reread up on my lore I'm just hoping this is something that isn't conflicting with what we've got so far

[spiral mica]

alright so I am looking forward to this big fella

but I'm confused if it's just new AI and not a wild target does that mean there's more than one of these mutated bears running around?

[noble scarab]

Presumably it’ll just fall into the “copy of the original” category

[spiral mica]

yeah if I'm remembering right there's actually a lore explanation about how the Sculptor resurrects stuff to use again

because there's only one of each boss but instead of sculpting new grunts and stuff it'd probably be more cost effective to just resurrect dead ones

you'd think after awhile though the Sculptor would try and be more creative with his resurrections if hunters keep putting his creations 6ft under over and over

[noble scarab]

Both the aha and sculptor are canonically stupid

[vivid crystal]

isn't it kinda rare for hunters to take down bounty targets?

[spiral mica]

Depends on the target and the hunter

The Haymaker lore has a guy run from assassin and he declines an offer to become a hunter because of it

I'd assume people would call it quits after witnessing the Sculptor's horrors

[vivid crystal]

Seems like you would need to be a special kind of crazy to even consider entering the hunting grounds lol

[icy brook]

I didn’t have high hopes for the new boss, but bear cubs conjoined is both dark and on brand, so bravo devs?

[upbeat kiln]

Many hunters claim to have killed the spider particularly.

The others? Not so much.at least as far as I recall

I don't remember if the guy at the church managed to kill the assassin?

What's his name? Help me out here @noble scarab

[noble scarab]

I think that’s more old lore, we’re at the point now where we have barrels of bounty tokens just laying around

[noble scarab]

His name was glanton

[icy brook]

At some point it was either stated or alluded to that bounties were being used by the AHA to extend the human lifespan, is this still part of the lore?

That was brought up years ago though

[noble scarab]

They were using energy from the soul survivor stuff to fix whatever wasting disease the ritual blood caused

[upbeat kiln]

Yes!

[noble scarab]

I can’t recall them doing any specific life extending, but I might be wrong

[icy brook]

It may be me misremembering tbh

[upbeat kiln]

Oh.. I'm clearly not up to date here 🤣

[noble scarab]

Thats what was stated during scorched earth, the people paying for the bounties just collected a ton of them, but mostly left them laying around

[vivid crystal]

then the demented started playing around with them?

[noble scarab]

We still could’ve ran with that idea crytek, the idea of oil barons and railroad kings obsessed with the sculptor, then the aftermath once they inevitably fuck things up

But no we get murder circus^tm

The demented did find them in scorched earth I think, but they didn’t do much with them

[upbeat kiln]

Wait.. what? Has it been clarified what a bounty actually is?

[noble scarab]

Pretty much, some sort of token forms from the energy of the bosses, in a form that is physical

Evidently it’s small, not unlike a coin

Maybe that’s even what blood bonds are supposed to be now

[upbeat kiln]

Hm.. how about that..

Was that revealed this event?

[noble scarab]

The last one, with the hellborn

There was no lore this event

They were feeding people these tokens then dropping them into bore holes to make oil

[rugged harbor]

Metal as fuck

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-chad-gif-18386674

[upbeat kiln]

Dinosaur Soul 2.0

[spiral mica]

Well considering more than a few of the legendary hunters would probably be diagnosed as being clinically insane it's no wonder why they take on the challenge of hunting supernatural horrors created by a cosmic deity from another world.

[noble scarab]

Cain and Monroe are both perfectly sane and well adjusted people

[spiral mica]

In the words of Kishibe from Chainsaw man, "the devil hunters that the devils fear are ones with a few loose screws."

[spiral mica]

Kill buyer has a great and healthy relationship with his beloved horse buttercup. 😁

[real cedar]

The Statesman was rolling one across his knuckles during Tide of Desolation but Scorched Earth made them especially physical where you can hoard them in barrels.

[spiral mica]

I kind of always figured the bounty tokens would be akin to something like the little blood bond coins

[abstract plaza]

Glanton is a spooky name for me. Have you read blood meridian?

I’m sure it was a semi common name

[high stone]

Cain’s still adjusting after being swallowed into the existential hell of the Bone Briar, he’ll be back to normal in no time!

[high stone]

I thought the bounties (before) were some kind of dissolved essential salts, left after the monster’s body burned away, that had to be confirmed authentic by some occult scientists. I figured the salts went into those two little vials lots of Hunters had in pouches on their chest. I never thought it would be a currency, or a coin…or force fed to people, to make monsters?? (Token+human= more monster??)

[spiral mica]

Maybe in the old lore but Rai is correct. In Desolation's wake the Statesman is described as rolling one across his knuckles like a coin. In Scorched Earth they describe the bounties as "tokens."

[high stone]

Yeah, I have no doubt that it’s that way in the newer lore

[real cedar]

Though, in both cases of physical bounties those are bounty tokens outside of the kill->banish->collect phase. It's possible that there is some kind of process that turns them into tokens

[spiral mica]

Either way you look at it, it's still a physical object that you need to retrieve off of the target you eliminate.

[high stone]

Yes. Turning them into little currency coins traded by super rich is just kind of…lame

[icy brook]

^

Learning there are literal stockpiles of them is a pretty underwhelming narrative choice

Like that supply and demand math ain’t mathing

[real cedar]

Nah, what else was going to happen to all the tokens being collected?

[slate sorrel]

the salts/dust you described above sound way cooler, and goes a bit further in that "alchemical" vibe to the lore

[high stone]

It’s just H.P. Lovecraft/ Medieval demonology hoodoo hahaha

[slate sorrel]

there's a reason people love that, it's super cool/intriguing

[real cedar]

Rich and influential people being the patrons of Hunters has been around since Bad as they Seem. Clearly people were paying for them, so there needs to be a physical trade, which means some are going to stockpile them

[high stone]

Big yes

[icy brook]

That’s why I asked about the immortality thread a bit ago, why even collect bounties if they go to the bounty bank never to be mentioned again?

[slate sorrel]

Them not doing anything with them feels kinda lame, collecting little coins because they're expensive is fairly realistic, but also pretty boring imo

Could lead to something interesting when looking at it from the PoV of the Hunters, risking your life in what is basically the worst job in the world, just for rich ppl to collect their shiny coins could make someone angry

[spiral mica]

What would you have preferred? An ingot? Books?

[real cedar]

Well we do know they do stuff with them. Preston turned clay into oil with his experimental rituals, and a bunch of people at Grizzly Lodge summoned some creature with their own weird ceremonies. They just have excesses of them, like barrels of oil.

[spiral mica]

How about a crisp $100 bill with the Sculptor's face on it as the physical appearance of the bounty tokens lol

[real cedar]

That fits perfectly with the age, people were creating wealth in abundance and plenty of it was getting hoarded and not used in any practical way

[high stone]

I don’t know, they might be something they need for analysis of “the enemy”, or communication with it or other spirits, or using in other rituals…mass producing them sounds insane, but this also sort of goes back to the original Hunt idea that maybe this whole Bounty Hunt phase of the Louisiana incident is only like, a year to 30 months long

[icy brook]

When they said “horrors of the gilded age” I didn’t think it would mean entering an Andrew Carnegie forced scarce commodity scheme

[high stone]

Just the idea of turning them into a currency is like Captain Planet level writing

[spiral mica]

I mean it could've been some form of supernatural element that engraved the bounty into your mind or soul and then in order to cash-in the bounty you'd have to perform some kind of ritual to extract the bounty from a hunter.

That's my own concept that I just came up with from scratch

[high stone]

Sure! It does take zero seconds for another Hunter to steal if off you, though

You know what’s more important than money? bigger money

[real cedar]

That part, and how they've always been called bounty tokens, is what makes the idea of barrels full of em seem normal to me.

[spiral mica]

The way I see it is it could've basically worked like reading an Elder scroll in the Elder scrolls series. You acquire the bounty token and it's contents are scribed within your very being and whatever that information is would be retained until you either pass it on willingly through ritualistic extraction or a hunter is killed and the bounty token is forcefully removed from the mind or soul from another hunter.

[high stone]

I thought that was just another placeholder part of the game design outline that never got polished into the final name, haha

[spiral mica]

Yeah that's pretty much the route they decided to go so these tokens are a physical object and not some supernatural force pulled from the aether.

[high stone]

May as well call it a MacGuffin

[spiral mica]

Well considering there's no more lore as of right now none of these concepts or unanswered questions will be polished or refined. All we got is speculation, headcanon and previous lore.

[high stone]

I know, the word Token just seems like a placeholder name you’d use for a game so the player understands what part it plays in the gameplay loop….but they left it undefined, mostly

[spiral mica]

But in reality token actually means a literal coin-like token and there are barrels full of 'em

[high stone]

Yeah, in the 2024 writing

[real cedar]

🤔 I may actually be wrong about them being coins

[high stone]

I think it was left undefined long enough that making it a real Chuck E Cheese token was the most convenient choice to make, after it was known as a Token for so long

[real cedar]

I only say coin-shaped based on the description of Statesman rolling one across his knuckles

In the October 2018 Dev Q&A, they describe the tokens as "It’s a unique part of their body containing part of their soul."
You can roll a little bone or whatever, and pack em in barrels

[high stone]

Yeah I would think of a coin & knuckle trick too

With that description

[spiral mica]

I would also think of it as being a coin based on that description

Seems likely that it's a coin shaped object

And not some kind of ingot or block

[real cedar]

This is one of those things where the compendium makes finding a hidden answer so nice, just CTRL + F 'token' and you get the whole history of the word's use.
It wasn't referred to in-universe as a token until Tide of Desolation (before that, you get one mention of "The essence extracted from several bounties of Mr. Orsica" in Devil's Moon), and after that it began being described more in each event. In Desolation's Wake, the Statesman wants to know about Rotjaw, including "her Token". Pair that with the Q&A answer, and it seems to confirm that each Target has their own unique physical token that is different enough from each other that you can't know what a new boss's will look like.

There was definitely a narrative restructuring in 2023 or so, when they started formalizing in-universe terms like Corruption, Targets, and Bounty Tokens

[spiral mica]

So maybe these tokens are different shaped coins
One is a circle another is a sqaure, triangle, oval, octagon, etc

[real cedar]

Until we get a real physical description, I'm leaning more towards body parts as the Q&A described since it has yet to be contradicted.

[high stone]

Yeah, it said somewhere that most of the body “burns away” during banishment. It’s probably just a mistake in the Tides writing…maybe was never supposed to be referred to as a Token in universe. Too late now!

[spiral mica]

Oh wait yeah I never even considered that it could be body parts

[high stone]

I thought they were body parts before I noticed the vials on the Hunter’s gear…i just didn’t think “coin/token”

[real cedar]

Could the vials be meant for inoculations? Like how Glanton's mysterious stranger creates one in a vial, and just recently Skull Taker steals one off a Hunter.

[high stone]

Maybe…the vials mostly appear next to a map pouch, so I thought it was a little Hunter’s kit….Hex Breaker has one on his belt

[spiral mica]

The bounty tokens actually being body parts reminds me of the D-series body parts from Resident evil 7 which are used to make powerful antidotes for the megamycete.

[high stone]

The vials are always in pairs also, like the two bounties a Hunter can carry

[spiral mica]

Funnily enough Resident evil 7 also takes place in Louisiana

[spiral mica]

That's also a good theory too

[high stone]

RE7 is insane, it’s just a crazy nightmare hahaha

[real cedar]

That they're always in pairs definitely makes it seem more about the bounty than other stuff

Great catch

[spiral mica]

Scary fact #115: Louisiana is a real place! 😱😱

[upbeat kiln]

I'm just gonna chime in here. I would have preferred that they never told us. We are programmed to seek answers. We want to know the meaning behind everything. And not knowing what it was made it a much more intriguing subject both within the game, but most certainly in terms of the lore.

"Not telling the reader" is a powerful narrative tool.

[real cedar]

Then again, there's only so long you can milk the J.J Abrams mystery box before people get tired of never learning anything and only being pulled along by vague and spooky vibes

[spiral mica]

"Show don't tell" is a powerful narrative as well and showing someone something through concepts like environmental storytelling is a great way to convey a message. Games like Elden ring, Skyrim, Subnautica all do a great job at this and you can find out so much by simply being observant to your surroundings.

Like @high stone said the bounties could be vials seeing as how hunters are seen carrying two vials.

It's a potential observation that could prove to be the answer.

[upbeat kiln]

I mean.. here we are. So many years later - and we have no clue what the Sculptor is in the new lore.

[real cedar]

Not telling the reader about the metaphysical stuff is one thing, but learning about the bounty system seems fair considering it's a piece of information literally every Hunter knows about explicitly.

[spiral mica]

My assumption and I'm sure the assumption of many others is that the Sculptor and stuff like the Moon from the moon trilogy are actually cosmic deities enacting their influence on the mortal world. I think characters like Chary and Lynch also desire to ascend to that same level of "cosmic deity" as the Sculptor and Moon are at. However, this is just my own personal theory based on the information I have.

[high stone]

This actually never bothered me either, the bounty purpose seems like it’s far above a Hunter’s paygrade. The people paying so much for them would probably be very opaque about their intentions

Even though I’m curious!

[upbeat kiln]

That was my point 😁

[real cedar]

It's so strange that the Devs have known about the tokens since the beginning, and have previously described most other parts of the Hunt, but STILL have yet to define what a token really is despite everyone in the stories picking them up and cashing them out on the regular. Like we get what opening a clue looks like in graphic detail but the post-banish part of the Hunt is still a mystery

[upbeat kiln]

I am also colored and biased beyond reason due to the relationship I have with the older lore. But your statement with the bounty's purpose being far beyond their paygrade fits so well with the original narrative. (The old lore)

[high stone]

(Since I keep talking about)

[spiral mica]

I really wish there wasn't a wall between old and new lore. It makes it more difficult to understand and decipher at times as someone who only started playing during the middle of the moon trilogy.

[upbeat kiln]

True. But then again, the narrative team has switched hands a couple of times. So maybe their purpose and properties have been changed too

[high stone]

Haha no worries, I am biased towards the old stuff too

[spiral mica]

Again this was a really good catch that I never considered

[real cedar]

Purpose is whatever, you're right that hunters don't get to know so the readers aren't entitled to the answer either. I just want to know what physical thing is being picked up and carried to extraction

[upbeat kiln]

Haha personally. I always thought it was something resembling the creature's heart. Because when you loot a hunter, their heart is what you take.

So you know

Something like that

[high stone]

The best evidence I think, is often in the game art…hope it’s still there in 1896!

[real cedar]

Art is tricky cause some of it is hidden storytelling and some of it is the equivalent of sci-fi greebling, detail for its own sake. Like Sea Wolf's celtic tattoo on his chest or any of the symbols on the Mountie

[high stone]

Oh yeah, maybe I shouldn’t say that about the game art anymore….i kind of dismiss those newer character designs, like the vegvisir thing on skull taker or that Voynich gibberish on recent weapon skins. Not sure what to say about those…

[zenith perch]

I've found my favorite loadout

Springfield Bayonet and Uppercut Precision

[real cedar]

The Butcher's Cleaver special 💪

[granite shard]

Man rai you wasted no time getting into the holiday spirit

[real cedar]

I got reminded to switch, it's a little early but 2 days early is better than my local stores

[granite shard]

I put the Christmas tree up in my office the other day and my boss refused to let me put the ornaments up

I told him I’d wait for Monday but that it’s gonna be a whole IT team thing now (the IT team is me, him, and another coworker of mine lmao)

[zenith perch]

Yes. The Demented Special

(I'm using it for Morrigan rn)

[real cedar]

"Post Malone’s Murder Circus also features a new Monster - orphaned bear cubs, turned unnatural beast, Ursa Mortis. With deformed bodies and minds, twisted into savage hunger by the HelioStone, the monstrous bear stalks the circus grounds and will charge at Hunters and attack with a lethal roar."

It sounds like the bear has a ranged attack

[rotund ferry]

So this monster is probably one of the scariest we seen so far?

[torn light]

Wondering what the roar will do yeah, very interesting

[real cedar]

If it's meathead tier but can see, is aggressive, and has a loud enough roar to alert nearby compounds, then yeah I'd definitely say so

It's a tough call cause if it can't be conveniently killed with tools then most people will just avoid it. Meatheads are an obstacle more than an active threat so the beefy HP works

If there's a reward involved perhaps it'll be cool, give players a choice to go loud for a benefit or quiet and careful for their own safety. Above a meathead, below a Wild Target kind of thing

[rotund ferry]

I mean I have monster idea not sure if it’s good or not

Or least in my head

[real cedar]

🤔 what if it's like the L4D witch, where it's sleeping or dormant like a horse trap and if you alert it, shit goes bad fast?

[rotund ferry]

If yall don’t mind hearing the idea

[real cedar]

Go for it 👍

[rotund ferry]

I was thinking of like rouge hunters that sided with scupter and carry different weapons that hunters can use the sound effect you hear is the howling of fear and pain with some manic laugh and you see them peeking behind trees all you see is nothing in there eyes just a smile getting ready for a fight

I know it won’t fit in the game

But that fear of facing them it would be fun and scary

The would have basic rifles not like a nitro

Or a crown or king

[zenith perch]

I found the basis for the Uppercut Precision

[noble scarab]

dream money wasting gun right there

[real cedar]

Nice catch 💪

[noble scarab]

pietta and anther company make reproduction colt navys, you can get a cyclinder conversion for them too

[real cedar]

It's an exact match too, the tightening screw, the sling clip, everything

[noble scarab]

uberti is the other company that makes them

[rotund ferry]

Is my idea bad rai?

[orchid tangle]

uberti makes good henrys too

though I got mine through the fake henry company

[noble scarab]

marlin makes some fine modern lever actions as well

something about henry making a lever action .410 is cursed.

[real cedar]

It fits the lore but on the other hand it's a rough thing to try to implement into the game. Any AI with projectile weapons are rough cause you have to make them accurate enough to be a threat but not so much so that a player can just catch a stray headshot from them which feels bad.
A similar idea I've seen over in #game-ideas would be to make slightly more active grunts holding basic, empty rifles (they spent all their ammo already or maybe don't have the presence of mind to relaod) maybe with bayonets and talon variants, that represent more recently corrupted people, or those with a resistance like William Salter. It can't really happen to a Hunter cause they're immune to corruption, but if someone didn't know and stayed to fight anyway they could end up like that.

[rotund ferry]

Ah ok

Thought it would be a fun idea just to see the hunters that gone insine have trophies from other dead hunters

The burnt marshal mask and stuff

[spiral mica]

I notice a lot of stuff in the trailers too

@real cedar love the Christmas spirit

[rotund ferry]

And if you beat one all you hear is the cry’s of joy of being free from being in pain for so long

[real cedar]

You definitely oughta put it together into a suggestion for #game-ideas , let others see it

[spiral mica]

This is awesome looks straight from the game

I've still got the link to the Bornheim they used

[rotund ferry]

It was just a thought nothing serious

Plus not sure if it will be good enough

Or not rifles but melee weapons

Not like bomb lance btw that would be to annoying to face

Plus i feel like it won’t be good enough for players to face

[zenith perch]

[zenith perch]

[spiral mica]

if we're getting crossovers in hunt let's get a Bethesda x Crytek crossover and introduce a Blackreach map 😂

I wanna use a giant luminescent mushroom as cover during a firefight

[earnest jungle]

Oh hey that reminds me, though It only exists on the Lore Wiki now I do have meanings for the True Deck from As Bad As They Seam if anyone wants them

The cards come from the incidental tarot and since the website for the person who made them is down it took a bunch of work to track down a guide to what the cards mean

[high stone]

Sure!

[earnest jungle]

Give me a couple minutes

Major Arcana:

Minor Arcana:

[real cedar]

It looks like there's half a connection. The Red King and the Arrows suit are definitely from the Incidental Tarot but she also draws from the classical swords suit and The Tower. Maybe that blending is why it's True rather than Incidental? 🤔

[sinful bloom]

We talking about lynch?

[earnest jungle]

I suspect that was the intention: a mixed deck of tarot cards from different suits

[earnest jungle]

The True Deck was ascribed to Lynch yes

I am curious though as to what the True Deck was going to be ingame

Before it was scrapped

Oh and they finally removed the Hunter’s desk

[real cedar]

It was described as part of the Arsenal in the road map, next to legendary skins, custom ammo, and "charm enchantments" for weapons

Maybe something like Traits except different?

[earnest jungle]

That would have been interesting but perhaps too derivative to Hard West

[real cedar]

Keeping the magic to the lore was a good call, ye. I like the grounded feel the Hunters have even when they're all occult'd up. Magic doesn't get to be a useful and reliable tool any old bozo can harness

[earnest jungle]

It definitely feels like Hunt has gotten less essoteric though ngl

Though that could just be familiarity talkibg

[sinful bloom]

Only recent Occult besides the night mother we haven't had much but she's voodoo so not sure if you would group em together

[earnest jungle]

Though I should mention this has been a trend since before 1.0

[real cedar]

There's a definite shift, you can see it in stuff like Hunters casually talking about witches and travelling to the land of the dead compared to Harold Black and Scognamiglio arguing about the intentions of the Sculptor, whether it has biological or spiritual motives. The Night of the Hunters had rituals that seemed based on belief rather than reliable outcomes. and the Sinners similarly were described entirely by their beliefs

The perspective of the hunters was disconnected by a degree from the esoteric and occult. They were keeping up with it - somehow - but it wasn't theirs to command

[earnest jungle]

I think a good deal of it is thst as the setting gets fleshed out it becomes less mysterious

There’s a reason why the best horror movies hide the monster until the very end

[real cedar]

We're well into Aliens 2 at this point and likely starting to creep into Alien 3

[sinful bloom]

U less they somehow added another entity like the sculpture

Wouldn't make sense but

[earnest jungle]

Definitely still in Aliens 2 not enough gay for alien 3

There used to be a lot more of it but with the removal of the lore so too has all of the gay rep been removed from the game

Like tears in the rain

[real cedar]

imagine they just ignore all the pairings and just make up new ones to get back to the level they want

[sinful bloom]

[earnest jungle]

I swear to god if this was all just so they could retcon five years of narrative and start over from scratch…

[sinful bloom]

They did say when they removed the lore they wanted to touch it up I'm pretty sure so they could retcon alot of stuff

[real cedar]

Nah there was no mention of touching up or anything like that

Just "We're removing the library, weapon progression will return in a new form later"

But then they clarified that lore is not on the roadmap

[sinful bloom]

Must have misinterpreted the new form for a touch up my bad

[real cedar]

It's fair, I did too for a long period, an educated wish I guess

I thought the progression would bring back the masteries

[high stone]

This def happens, not sure it’s the case here though

[sinful bloom]

We can only hope we'll get the lore tab back soon

But I'm curious to see where they go with the stones now

[earnest jungle]

If it’s coming back it won’t be until 2026

It’s not even on the roadmap

[real cedar]

My reaction to the HelioStone is just 😴

Oh boy a magical stone that came outta nowhere and does wacky corruption stuff exactly like the Sculptor does! Wave the magic wand and make a bear monster!

[sinful bloom]

Lmfao

To me it seems like lazy writing which I hope I'm wrong but I would need more info to say for sure

[real cedar]

The Murmurstone was great storytelling cause it wasn't the core feature of Tide of Shadows despite it being the underlying motive for Chary to bring the Delphine out of the Land of the Dead and inadvertently make Rotjaw a new threat. It got built up in importance and even then, it too was a stepping stone to the Desolation titan. Everything fit, everything led somewhere. Starting with the stone as just a thing, it's like we missed a lot of chapters as to why we should care.

[sinful bloom]

Yes but my fear is that they repeat shadows

[real cedar]

My fear is that there's an event story at all

[sinful bloom]

you right

Hey who know maybe post found the stone

[real cedar]

It's the prologue to the Sun Trilogy of events. Jar Jar Binks Post Malone is the key to all this.

[sinful bloom]

Post is the sculpture in human form dun dun dun

[high stone]

I think the pacts will form into two megapacts and use the Murmurstone vs. Heliostone in a “beam of war” standoff

They may also fit into a magical glove

[noble scarab]

no, youre not allowed to get hit with apollos dodgeball of prophecy

[real cedar]

It hit me before, surely lighting won't strike twice so soon

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[earnest jungle]

So help if you’re prophetic on this the happy fun ball will be the least of your problems

[spiral mica]

Good work tracking all this down and putting it together. This is really interesting!

[earnest jungle]

I discovered it years ago but only recently learned the website was no longer accessible

Makes me hate Chuck Wendig even more than I already did

Without the Internet Archive we’d be up shit creek without a paddle

[real cedar]

Good point, I oughta go collect some screenshots of Desk of a Hunter, just having the text backed up in the compendium ain't enough. It'll all eventually go on the new wiki.

Ah, inspect element is definitely going to be a friend here.

[lucid anvil]

Oh boy I hope so lol
We need more of the horror elements in the game in my opinion.

[mint wind]

Running away with the bounty and suddenly you get mauled by a bear :)

[cyan lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-dancing-happy-dancing-gif-3544058670475441616

[spiral mica]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-bear-spongebob-safety-anti-sea-bear-circle-spongebob-funny-gif-8782259290133626566

[tropic mirage]

what if instead of scrapbeak it was freakbeak and instead of throwing barbed wire that slows you down, he ties you up and tickles you with his feathers

[zenith perch]

[abstract plaza]

[zenith perch]

I really hate how desolations wake had gear for individual characters only in the battle pass

I wanted more primal gear

[zenith perch]

trying to make lore loadout for hunters again. what do you guys think Felis's loadout would be? So far I got her LeMatt carbine and Romero handcannon, and the crossbow from desolations wake with the handcannon

[icy brook]

She’s wearing an armguard on left forearm, so she’s ready to take a bow

[zenith perch]

didnt even consider that

[spiral mica]

LeMat carbine with a bow is a good combo

You could also do Bone Veve with the Grace and Grit and just make up some funny story like "Doctor John is lending his Mosin."

[rose mountain]

Why is this channel still here lol