#lore-discussion

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real dove
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Gar died again? I thought she was in the LOD with enola

pearl abyss
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what about rat and kid technically?

granite shard
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They’re undead

granite shard
pearl abyss
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god im having trouble reambering some people like car or captain

granite shard
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She could come back but atm she’s dead

real dove
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Fair. I kinda figured she woulda been washed out

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but be cool if she comes back

granite shard
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The kid, the rat, the thirteenth mate, and the revenant are undead

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Likely dead are the skinned and billy story but we’ve not gotten firm confirmation on that

pearl abyss
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i was going to make a joke about Billy story being the only hunter who seems to be enjoying life as a hunter while everyone sad and such

granite shard
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A lot of hunters seem to enjoy what they do

pearl abyss
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true. although makes me wonder how bad the situation down in the bayou if the goverment had to send the stateman down there

granite shard
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The government didn’t

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It’s a group called the backers

real dove
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We've got a few "gov" folks, the Sherriff and Marshall right? but the rest are pinkertons n such

pearl abyss
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do they even know what happening lol

real dove
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Old possible redacted lore had the local gov calling it a poor person's disease

pearl abyss
real dove
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Appears to be covert for the most part

pearl abyss
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idk why but the idea of the sherriff begging the goverment for more guns and supplies only be told it's not in the budget is funny to me. mf is facing a possible demon invasion and is so stressed out

real dove
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Bro is golddigging the statesman

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doesnt need the gov for that

granite shard
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prior to the backers coming in it was the american hunters association funding things

real dove
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^

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Weapons come in from a ton of places

granite shard
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I don't think the government has ever really had a say in this. pretty sure marshall brewer's lore mentions that she had to forsake her role as a marshall in order to join the AHA

real dove
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Ah. Ex-Marshall Brewer

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with the knife kink

pearl abyss
granite shard
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yeah "Phoebe Brewer, the first Louisianan woman to become a US Marshall, faced a terrible choice when she became a Hunter: to renounce a lifetime’s work. But, there was only one way into the AHA's inner circle, and only one way to fight the evil lurking there. It lost her an eye, her sobriety, and her public image, but her unknown legacy of fighting evil at its strongest was a price worth paying."

real dove
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For hardin

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:3

granite shard
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as for the situation in the bayou, it's pretty much chaos up until desolation's wake happens

real dove
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Hardin was slobbering all over the money that guy could get

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and power

granite shard
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after the moon trilogy the AHA essentially collapsed in louisiana leading to the rise of the demented pact and that chaos

pearl abyss
granite shard
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the monsters weren't really the issue there lol

pearl abyss
granite shard
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it was more of the people

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but yeah in tide of desolation unaffiliated hunters were being sacrificed by the demented pact and stuff

pearl abyss
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this is why smuggler pack and death pack best gangs

loud steeple
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Infernal pact my homies. Sharp suits and fire was aesthetically pleasing

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Bring back the inferno

pearl abyss
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i bet there like lore on the inferno but I like the idea it was just a hunter accidently starting it while smoking or something

real dove
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it was intentional iirc. first time by the lunar, second time by the infernal

granite shard
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not infernal

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it was started by the infernal pact in devil's moon I believe, but the lunar pact took advantage of it after some time. in tide of corruption i believe it was set by the demented pact

pearl abyss
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still love the idea of it being caused on accident imma be honest lol

loud steeple
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The demented pact has no idea what they’re doing

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I think they’re all on the 1890s coca cola

granite shard
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in DM the archeologist muses that she doesn't really know who started the flames but she was really tired of the infernal & lunar pacts keeping them alive

pearl abyss
real dove
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Ah. I thought it was lunar as they used oleander and fire, I'll have to reread

pearl abyss
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i wish i could reread the older things from past events

loud steeple
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They have them on the wiki

pearl abyss
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sweet

loud steeple
pearl abyss
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bookmarking that

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can i just say, because of a game I had vs the long john wearing hunter, that on one side of ledgendary hunters we have the normal bad ass hunters from diffrent cultures, some being cultist, some crazy mfs, some being former cops or war heros. then theres this mf in his long johns walking around headshotting people lol

granite shard
loud steeple
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I want the Union shirt hunters but I need to get every blood bond hunter before I even have a chance from dark tribute or prestiging

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It would probably cost me 500 bucks in blood bonds

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Which I’m not too keen on for one skin I want

pearl abyss
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i swear to god the dark tribute is a mixture of i hate it and love it. I love it when it gives me money or good loot. I hate it when it gives me ex when i'm already maxed out. give me the hunters game lol

loud steeple
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I’ve gotten 4 500xp tributes in a row more times than I want to even say

pearl abyss
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like i understand it's not supposed to give me rare loot all the time but i swear it just knows what I don't need. At least 100 hunt dollars is something i can use

loud steeple
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All I care about are blood bonds, skins, and hunter slots

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Anything else is garbage in my eyes

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The xp is just the most garbage

pearl abyss
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big time.

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i will say my fav thing about this game is the skins. even when they are more wild and out there they fit the tone of the game

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i never thought i can be a grandma from france who cut people down with a katana and a mosion nagaint machine gun sparying people down

loud steeple
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No

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Don’t use the avto

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Don’t be one of those

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If you truly love the lore you won’t use the avto

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It’s not time accurate

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It was made in 1917

real dove
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It's a prototype

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Just because the irl one was 1917, the avto existing in hunt is explained

loud steeple
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Yeah but no. Avto bad

glass mirage
loud steeple
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Well it’s based on a whaling harpoon lance and it’s basically just a sharp stick with a crossbow esque mechanism strapped to the side

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the avto is a fucking machine gun. It’s also straight pull when the gun it’s supposedly modified from (the mosin) is a turn bolt so that makes zero sense

granite shard
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the avto also exists in a game where we're killing zombies

loud steeple
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It’s a fantasy game

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And every other gun is true to life

granite shard
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technology gets pushed when there's reason to push it

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people have a financial reason to make insane prototypes of weapons when there are a bunch of people pouring in trying to kill a demon plague

loud steeple
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my biggest problem with the avto is how negatively it impact gameplay. If you face one in the hands of an experienced user getting withing 50 meters is just instant death, 100 meters if they’re a little lucky

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Before they changed the way ammo economy works 1/3 to 1/2 of people playing in high 5 and 6 star lobbies used exclusively avto

granite shard
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I mean yeah the avto sucks in the game but this is the place to talk about lore stuff

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it being a detriment to gameplay doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense in the lore of the game

loud steeple
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But that’s just the thing it doesn’t make sense in the lore either

granite shard
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it does

loud steeple
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“Technology get pushed” what does that even mean

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it’s nonsense

granite shard
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it's the same reason why weapons technology progressed so fast during WW1

loud steeple
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It is 20 years earlier

granite shard
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with a reason to create more effective weaponry, people are going to make more progress than they would otherwise

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yes it sure is

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but there's a difference in hunt's 1895 vs our 1895: we didn't have the sculptor fucking up the bayou

loud steeple
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then why is every other gun time accurate

granite shard
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people want more weapons like the bomb lance and the avtomat in terms of being weird prototypes (not the balance side of the avto)

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also not every other gun is time accurate

loud steeple
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What makes the avto so special that it doesn’t have to adhere to the Wild West, every shot counts ideology that goes into hunt’s weapon choices

granite shard
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the dolch isn't either since it's based on the mauser

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that is a gameplay question not a lore question

loud steeple
granite shard
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it's 1895 in the game

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the dolch is a prototype weapon like the avto

loud steeple
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Its not 95 exactly

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We have lore going up to 1902 if I recall correctly

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Which is still 15 years before the avto’s real life counterpart

granite shard
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no

topaz light
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Game takes place in 1895 yeah

granite shard
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the game is in 1895

silver cargo
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🤓

granite shard
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the new map is what's taking the game to 1896

topaz light
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Is that confirmed?

granite shard
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yeah it was mentioned in something last year

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I think david's interview w homereel

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but the thing that's from 1902 is a newspaper clipping looking back on the events of devil's moon specifically the widow and how she turned into folklore

topaz light
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What was mentioned last year caused a lot of misunderstandings

granite shard
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it doesn't mean the lore has moved to 1902

topaz light
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David basically said it's 1895 and it still is

granite shard
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with tide of desolation (immediately after ToC) and desolation's wake (sometime after ToD) it's showing that we're either at the very tail end of 95 or start of 96

topaz light
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I can find the exact quote if you want since when that video was made everyone was discussing it with the wrong interpretation

granite shard
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I guess my point here tho is that based on what we've seen in game, it's pretty clear that we're moving to 96

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(quote putting ToC in november 95)

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rare dirge
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I know I have probably pointed this out before but it says what year it is in the steam “about this game” section

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I still wonder if they will update this when we reach 1896 with the new map

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Either way I don’t think it was quite a mystery what year it was

glossy zealot
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What about a good ol' time loop, y' all?

Like we're all stuck in an evolving timeloop in which someone has trapped the sculptor, and us. The sculptor manages to influence a bit the timeloop, so we can have an evolving situation.

Yeah, it's more a thing for #game-ideas 😄

rare dirge
glossy zealot
lost adder
clear dagger
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anyone have the full lore/story of the reaper character?

warm quartz
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He only remembers his loved ones whenever he kills

real cedar
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From then on, it took Claeg every fiber of his being to concentrate even on the smallest task. Doing work on the farm became insurmountable labor, and his children wept in the corners when he mixed up their names and faces. Emma took him to countless doctors who couldn’t give a name to his ailment, but any person of the cloth they met all said the same thing: A demon was slowly taking over Claeg’s body, and he was in dire need of salvation. “The demon is only sated after sacrifice!” The good Christians would wail. “Stop him before it’s too late.”

But the time to stop Claeg never came. And when he awoke one day to his friend’s blood upon his throwing axe, his wails of anguish echoed through the town. It was death that brought Claeg back to life, and so Emma brought him to the man in DeSalle who they knew dealt in death.
And death he dealt. Waking to become himself only when blood caked his hands, and his prey took their last breath. Countless has to die so that he, in a sense, wouldn’t. So that he remembered the reason he lived this torturous existence. So that he could remember the laughs of his children and the touch of his wife. So that no demon could take his place.

Claeg Grey donned the mask and robe not for himself, but for the sake of his family. So that no one would know his true self. So that his loved ones could finally find peace once more. And so that he could find clarity in freely administering death.```
warm quartz
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He seems to have made some deal with the Death, as he is part of the Death pact

clear dagger
frozen drift
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So, prodigal son knew about his twin's grudge towards him for the death of their mother, and decided the best thing to do was to ally with her?

real cedar
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It's one of several possibilities:
-He figures he has it coming for whatever dark deeds he committed and will take the bullet when it comes
-He didn't actually want to ally with her at first but when the moment came he decided to save her
-He believes he can convince her not to kill him by making amends and helping her quest
-He believes he'll shoot first when the time comes, whether amends have been made or not

real dove
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Keep the bullet close line being in his profile has me thinking it's the former or latter, as that trailer seemed to point to him imagining shooting her when shooting the other hunters

pallid shale
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Can anyone list all the queer hunters?

livid cave
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tf I thought I closed tumblr

warm quartz
# pallid shale Can anyone list all the queer hunters?

Lulu is apparently trapped in a sexless gay marriage with Sophia (Death Herald), one of the twins from the lore has a girlfriend and the other one is half snake, Witch Hunter and Hail Mary did a stinky, Mountain man had a lover who betrayed him

real dove
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mountain man (MLM), witch hunter (sapphic), hail mary (sapphic), lulu (lesbian), sofia (nonbinary lesbian), viper (nonbinary), iron bark (presumably nonbinary based on only ever being referred to with they/them pronouns), ronin (MLM presumed based on the katana lore), jos (lore only, sapphic), allison (lore only, sapphic)

autumn perch
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Do we have any hunters that are specifically related to the spider?

warm quartz
autumn perch
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ight

real cedar
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Seems weird to say Ronin is in a relationship for having Seiko vaguely embarrassed to be around him after his life was saved. If it is attraction, it's only one sided so far. Maybe the last page will shed more light.

granite shard
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I mean that is why it’s presumed and not hard canon like the others

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Like the setup from the katana lore does feel like the beginning of some romance novel with that“I cannot meet his gaze without blushing” line but nothing’s 100% confirmed without it being made clear in text (or one of the writers saying their intentions but the current guys are less active online than some of the previous writers from what I’ve seen)

real dove
real cedar
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Isn't the whole thing that she's super thirsty but there's little to say the two are actually intimate? I could've sworn I've seen memes about it

real dove
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The letter from Sofia to Lulu don't sound thirsty to me

warm quartz
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Lulu is the thirsty one

real dove
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And how she talks about her in the final entry of DW

granite shard
real dove
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Ah, Lulu to Sofia. Didn't Lulu save Sofia at some point too?

warm quartz
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When it's clearly implied in Elias/Mary relationship

warm quartz
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I doubt that it was Billy Story though

real cedar
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She also saved Sofia from the cops

real cedar
granite shard
# real cedar I meant physically intimate, they're clearly in love

I mean the physical intimacy has likely happened but it's not really been the focus of what we've been getting. the people joking abt lulu lusting after sofia without anything happening generally seemed to come from a place of trying to minimize the relationship between the two of them as "lulu's thirsty for this person who only sees her as a friend"

real dove
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Hunt writing doesn't take after a sarah maas novel lol. I'd think for how close they are, being physical has likely occurred

granite shard
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you mean we're not getting an explicit sex scene in the middle of a war zone while people are dying? wild

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😂

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(the ACOTAR series is fun but SJM discovered smut was something she could write and MAN everything began to take a backseat to her writing feyre and rhys going at it)

real cedar
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Nah, it's pretty core to Lulu's character imo "When the hell is she just gonna kiss me? When can I take her to the bed and do more than sleep?". That's all we get to know about where they're at in their relationship. It seems like it'll get somewhere eventually cause they've both got hungry eyes but it'd be a big leap to do offscreen compared to the other relationships in the lore.

real dove
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I'd argue that DW pointed to it being way more than that now

granite shard
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imo there was a big leap between that and the either ironside or lemat carbine lore when sofia was a lot more touchy w her

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I'd say that was the "ok yeah sofia is matching her freak" moment

real cedar
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True, but is that matching her lust or bloodlust?

granite shard
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with the two of them, likely both

real cedar
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Probably. But they should just kiss onscreen already, the way they set it up Lulu needs her payoff in writing

real dove
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I hope we get Lulu voice acted

granite shard
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I don't disagree that they should just kiss on screen at some point, but I guess my main point here is that their relationship does seem pretty solid at this point lol

real dove
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I know the Twitch hunters arent likely to play a key roll, but would still be neat

granite shard
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getting sofia's chapters really helped solidify things as a "yeah sofia returns those feelings" w how much she was thinking abt lulu throughout it all

real dove
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Were they still in spanish?

granite shard
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?

real dove
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Need to go check

real cedar
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Yeah, each letter says "translated from Spanish"

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So they're still hardly communicating

real dove
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Her letters the first event were translated, couldnt remember if the second one was english

granite shard
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it is possible that lulu's been learning spanish tho

real dove
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Ah yeah translated

granite shard
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sofia presumably has picked up some english since she's talking to others so I wouldn't be surprised if they've eventually gotten to a bit of a language exchange point

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I wonder what the language learning process was like back then tbh

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like it would probably be significantly easier to pick up english when surrounding by it like sofia was, but even then there wouldn't be the wealth of resources available to everyone like there is now

real cedar
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Maybe it's a conceit of the story structure but for someone who doesn't speak much English - it is an interesting note that she says very small sentences in the events - Sofia sure does listen to it well. She gets everything people are saying and writes down dialogue without issue.

granite shard
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yeah, I'm really curious to see how her english skills have evolved

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since between the first time we have a date (late june 95) and the second time (nov 95) she went from very little/no english to being able to at the very least understand people

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and it's possible that she and lulu had been around each other longer than that-- the shootout in desalle was in june but that was one of the later events from their initial lore dump

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honestly with all of the international hunters in the game, the language stuff is interesting to think abt (to me at least lmao)

real cedar
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I bet the AHA logistics people are having a wonderful time 😂 some guy handing out cash for bounties while having seven different translation dictionaries open on the desk

granite shard
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😂😂

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forcing hunters to put away their guns, knives, and other sharp objects as they all file in for english classes

real dove
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it's the scene where the mask just keeps pulling more and more improbable weapons out of his pockets

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but for all of them

autumn perch
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What factions or groups exist in this setting.
Because I hear about the AHA but like what the hell does characters like the Cowl , Cain, devil's advocate, or the butcher larper have

real cedar
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The Pacts are subdivisions of Hunters with their own goals and reasons to work together. Cowl, Cain, Devil's Advocate, and Butcher's Cleaver were all part of the Demented pact that basically sided with the corruption. It's unclear if the AHA was still paying them like normal or if they did something else with the bounties they collected - if they even still hunted bosses.
There are other groups in other countries, though we only know one of them by name. The Sinners are a group of middle eastern origin and unclear size that believe they're already all damned to hell, so they are able to act without remorse, sinning so that others won't have to.

granite shard
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I hope we get more from the sinners at some point

real cedar
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Oh wait Devil's Advocate was Infernal pact, got em mixed up

autumn perch
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Ah

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I reckon there is some reason why the demented hunt the monsters . I remember somthing to do with the cowl wanting to ascend to be like the assassin.

granite shard
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there's a pinned document in the channel that has all of the lore, including all of the event lore

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it explains the motivations of the demented pact

autumn perch
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I just know about the cowl because I bought him since it was on sale

real dove
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He was the leader of the Demented pack once the Butcher's Cleaver was killed. He kinda vanishes from the lore after the Demented get into the LOD, possibly will turn up later?

autumn perch
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Yeah my boy is in high places!

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Rip butchers cleaver then I hope there was I chance he could return but I seriously doubt legendary hunters from events would return

real dove
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considering Plague Doc, I really doubt it

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at least the paid BP hunters

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We could get reskins (like the Corvids) but pretty sure past event hunter are gone

rare dirge
autumn perch
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My boy innocent he didnt do anything wrong

rare dirge
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Murdered my boy the kid

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He didn’t get his get back but bro still got his punishment

autumn perch
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If the kid didnt want to die he shouldnt have been so killable

autumn perch
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Damn why is every cool character part of the demented pact

warm quartz
autumn perch
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Literally the coolest thing ever

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Sees a demonic invasion

Decides instead of fighting against it or for it

They fight the demons creations to prove that they are superior to it so that they can then fight for the demon

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Biggest chad move ever

icy brook
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I really really was hoping Crytek would flip the script for the demented pact and have a mechanic where they defend the boss or focus more on killing hunters rather than killing bosses themselves

worthy nova
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so you’d have incentive to defend it

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(something like that, anyway)

orchid tangle
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I'm always loyal to infernal when that's out but I woulda picked demented every time if I could do something like that as an objective

worthy nova
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Maybe that trait also negates red boss icon, but that might be OP

orchid tangle
real dove
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Eh, we've had some pop up again. Hunters come and go, be cool to get a concrete answer but also hard to kill em when they're still there in the lineup

autumn perch
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Isnt quite a few characters cannonically dead

orchid tangle
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they come back but when they vanish it feels weird, lynchs return was a nice surprise
at least chary had his disappearance told in the story but I can't wait for him to randomly blip back into normal world in like 2 - 3 events

real dove
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He's alive, being punched around by the moon rn

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At least as of TOD end

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I wonder if he'll get a redemption arc and help us fight lynch

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Or if theyll join forces somehow

orchid tangle
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at most of him being a good person I think it'd just be him joining to fight lynch and then immediately trying to gain some sort of power the moment shes out of the picture

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some shang tsung type of strat

stiff minnow
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Hello there

high stone
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Hello dude

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Welcome

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To the world of Lore

stiff minnow
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I didn't know which chat to start in but the Lore one caught my eye

high stone
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People are happy to answers questions about it too, though BigBrain

stiff minnow
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I glimpsed a few bits and pieces of the lore from the time I played but I really want to dig into the lore and see what lies beneath

eternal hazel
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Is the entire Louisiana state locked down or theres a place thats locked away from the rest of the state?

green pollen
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The deadzone is locked away from the rest of the state, kinda… It’s not exactly locked away as in you can’t get it but more so you’re probably not coming out

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Also also counter question: do we know how big the deadzone is and or the possibility it may leak over a little bit into Mississippi.

high stone
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The deadzone borders appear to be unspecified/to be determined. It is most likely down in SE Louisiana, though.

upbeat kiln
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It seems that the dead zone might be several affected areas, dead zones, and might not have a particular ground zero from which the corruption emanates. (Speculation on my part)

rugged harbor
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And based on the fact that the extraction boats and carriages are pretty heavily armored I feel the dead zones are still atleast somewhat populated with some of the infected people and wildlife

eternal hazel
autumn perch
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Maybe the real bounty

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Was the friends we made along the way

real cedar
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One piece of lore might talk about the size of the corrupted zone, but it's hard to trust it because it's somewhat of a joke.
In Darin Shipyard, in the western workshop, there's a large poster talking about the DeSalle Canal:


As well as being enjoyed by the many fun seekers who sail and splash in its waters the Pearl Canal is easily accessible by horse and the many locking stations provide wonderful opportunities for landlubbers to come and laze away a quiet afternoon or evening in the incomparable beauty of this part of Eastern DeSalle.

Not only does the canal provide and enviable vacation pursuit it serves also to link together many of the finest fishing lakes to be found in the swamp. Mention names like Healing Water and Darin, or Ash Creek and Catfish Grove and Alain & Sons Fishing to those who have visited here and you will be regaled with tales of happy holidays spent in this carefree swamp.```
The only problem is that "069 miles" is a meme, and nearby posters also use that number along with names like Woody Johnson.
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Still, the macro idea of traveling a canal to go between lawson delta and stillwater bayou suggests there's plenty of open wilderness between em

granite shard
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Tbh something I think abt a lot is how in lore, by at least June of 95, desalle is still populated enough for there to be a shootout in front of the saloon

sterile hedge
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@granite shard I know that canonically the mountain man is gay and lulu is bi but where did you find that the other hunters were queer (as shown in your fanart post)

granite shard
granite shard
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Also lulu is a lesbian, not bi

devout monolith
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Poor Lulu had a small clientelle then. No wonder she had to become a very visible hunter in the bayou.

granite shard
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She slept with men for her job up until she started doing work as a hunter and was able to make more money there

spiral mica
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and didn't mountain man have a wife? Is he bisexual?

granite shard
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Iron bark is some form of NB that’s not been specified

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Mountain man’s exact sexuality hasn’t been specified too. He could be bi or it could have been a “marry this woman like a normal man” sort of thing

orchid tangle
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mountain probably just loved whoever he loved, idk if they state whenever he went into the mountains but that pretty much is just living away from any social norms, societal rules, etc. Lived by his own rules and thought process probably

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...until you do something cool, then you go back down to society and tell your story to become famous and profit and get a luxury life, as US history goes

devout monolith
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I am facinated that sexuality has become something to discuss about these skins. When I heard lore discussion, I thought I would get a grip of what happend to this world. Not that Lulu has a crush on Sofia. 😄 What a variety in the community. Awesome! But I suppose historic presedence still matters in hunt. Non-binary? I understand we can call them that. But they wouldn't use those terms themself?

granite shard
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They might not have had the specific language for it but there were still people in the historical record that lived as trans and non-binary

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Like sofia might not use the word agender, but she would have been as comfortable being referred to as he as she would have been as she

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Plus the relationships between hunter, romantic and platonic, speaks a lot to the world and what the hunters as people valued and cared for

devout monolith
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I am not sure. Calamity Jane was a rather masculine type, and a cool drunk. But I think she would define herself as a gal regardless. They had fights back then over just wearing pants as a woman. And a bible ready to be smacked into you at every corner. I think that would be more of an internal struggle really. One need a bit of support to stand against a crowd. Sofia may not mind it, but I struggle to see who is gonna call her him at any point. She looks like the spanish version of death. Or am I remembering wrong. Sofia is the one in brown right? Or the one with two revolvers, in a white shirt?

granite shard
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There is a long record of transgender and non-binary people throughout history which you are more than welcome to look up and learn about, but either way the point is these characters are canonically non-binary

devout monolith
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You most not misunderstand. I am not trying to attack the idea. I am just saying that US 1890 Louisianna, with a southern, and very religious area, may not have been an opend minded enough place to identify yourself in. I think it would be an unspoken or secret affair, shared with few. Not an idea one could express openly. Do u feel I am wrong?

granite shard
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I think that these people are already largely living on the fringes

real dove
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Bear in mind that the Hunters are regularly fighting swarms of monsters and demons, and have been in the land of the dead. I doubt many of the other people there care- Chary, who was for a minute the head of the AHA was vocal aboput calling Viper by the correct pronouns.

devout monolith
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So apocalypse makes the world more open minded. Interresting.. Kinda like "we could be dead tomorrow, who cares?". That is a very mature way of handling a crisis.

deft storm
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Appropriate pronouns are great....Mr. Chary must be some kind of wizard, to be that progressive and be able to see that far into the future

real dove
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I mean, in the Louisiana Event (possibly retconned) the "plague" was affecting only poor people, according to the government, who didn't care/do anything about it. Instead, the AHA, which is afaik an underground organization stepped in. As Smalls said, the hunters aren't exactly your normal people.

deft storm
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no chance in 1895 Louisiana that Mr. Chary also uses the N word everyday 😅

real dove
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?

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Let's not go there.

deft storm
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The language and the way people were treated back then was ROUGH....having correct pronouns show up sounds like there's also a little too much of the Author's hand appearing as well...

real dove
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Again. Hunt doesnt take place in "civilized society" for that time

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we are in the swamps fighting monsters

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Or maybe it's that Hunt doesnt happen in our reality

devout monolith
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I believe the lore writer that crytek hired for when the events started (not sure she was there in the begining), happends to be a non-binary. So I am not that suprised if she took a part of herself, and placed it in the characthers. Most writers do. But then again, I suppose a small community could have been created around the hunting in the bayou. Kinda like.. ohh what is the name of it... Nasau? The pirate city that tortuga is based on. Their own Little Vegas where social norms fall for the valubal service you are providing.

real dove
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Power to them * sorry I think it's great

devout monolith
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True.. but I wish she could create different slang and terms. Something that wild west hunters would call themself. Non-binary sounds very scientific, and something from modern age. The world swould feel more alive if she didn't use that. I am a Lord of The Rings fan. Love when details and language is part of the universe they create.

real dove
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??? That's the term for it. not slang

deft storm
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I think he mostly means the "modern term" part

real dove
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?

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Still not following

deft storm
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that non binary sounds like modern term.....but do they ever use that term in the lore?

real dove
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Nope

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we do

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to describe non-bianary characters.

devout monolith
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Today yes! But something that would fit the setting. They are making the term from their view. Example.., in Mad Max, cars are the most valuebal thing. The world is crushed, and language lost. So they don't have the word doctor. They call them organic mechanic. Which I thinks add a layer to it. Kinda like that!

deft storm
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right, they just describe the relationships they have in the lore and WE'RE recognizing it and calling it non-binary

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got it

devout monolith
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Oh I am sorry. They didn't use the term non-binary in the lore?

real dove
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I just said nope dude

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We use it, not the lore writers

devout monolith
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Missed it., sorry. What did they call it then? I am exited! 😄

icy brook
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Yeah no one was using the terminology we have today to describe the individuals in game that we now have

real dove
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They don't. It's not drawn attention to like that afaik. We know of relationships between hunters because they are written about or are writing to each other, but it's not made into this big ordeal

icy brook
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So the writers are period accurate in that regard

deft storm
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what was the part about Chary being vocal about the Viper's pronouns?

real dove
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it's one line from him

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in.... one of the moons

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he corrects another hunter, and then keeps talking about whatever

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"Bro, call them they/them, not cool. Okay so about klilling the moon-"

deft storm
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yes, that feels very modern

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oh well

real dove
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lmao that's my interp

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ill go find it

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there you go

devout monolith
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It is a bit open to interpretation.. maybe by choice to create discussion. But if the viper and the snake is linked telepaticly. Then Viper may be identified as "they" because the snaks and viper is one. Ofcourse, the truth is in the eyes of the beholder. The tone certantly gives that paralell feeling to modern issues.

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I AM VERY HAPPY he didn't say "bro" do!!! xD

deft storm
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hehe no I know you're interpreting, I guess just writing Chary and The Viper as even caring about the pronouns enough to say something seems too modern, because pronouns and misgendering are so present in contemporary discourse.

real dove
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"The Viper" not the viper and their snake.

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You do you, but seeing as Chary to me was talking about the human being not the pair of them, I'd say Viper is non-bianary. IIRC it was also confirmed in a stream

devout monolith
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Well he is saying "The Viper, and..." at the end.

granite shard
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The viper is canonically agender

deft storm
devout monolith
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And they ain't using terms that are to modern. If i remember correctly, wasn't Viper an assassin from an order in Arabia?

real dove
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He's from the sinners

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from the middle east

real dove
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he cares about appearances. The Viper is a guest.

granite shard
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the viper might not use the term agender to identify but that is the modern term that would be associated with their identity

icy brook
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^

granite shard
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this is not a real person from the past that we are ascribing a gender identity to

real dove
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Would you not correct someone if they called a guest by the wrong pronouns?

granite shard
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this is a fictional character where the creators specifically have stated "they are agender"

real dove
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Sure, likely it's in there to let us, the readers, know abvout the Viper

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But I don't see the issue in him addressing it

devout monolith
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Absolutely.. and my protest is modern terms in other times. Don't like it if it brings me out of the world. For me it becomes the same as adding laser rifles to hunt. The world most feel organic.

granite shard
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they are not saying agender in the text of the game

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they are using they/them pronouns where there is a historical basis for that usage

devout monolith
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But again, they used they/them for monarchs too. It is not a comepletly new greeting. If they said non-bjnary, it would feel off. But they adressing in a vocabulary they already have seems more fitting.

deft storm
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yeah what he said

granite shard
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mr chary cares about pronouns because he cares about looking polite

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it's like calling someone by the wrong name

real dove
granite shard
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if the night seer called the viper "the rattlesnake" I'm sure chary would have also corrected him

real dove
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^

deft storm
real dove
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nope

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Isaac called him the wrong name, Chary corrected him

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where do you take issue with this?

deft storm
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wrong name, or pronoun?

granite shard
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I don’t see the difference bc it’s the same thing

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If the night seer called the witch hunter he, chary would have corrected him there as well

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It’s a matter of being polite and making sure people are addressed correctly

deft storm
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I think the example of mixing up names also has more to do with mixing up two entirely different people? That's more of a concern of confusing one person and their significant traits with someone else....so it has different consequences than just offending someone because you used the wrong pronoun?

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I think it's funny that Chary insinuates the Powell is being disrespectful, instead of it just being a mistake

real dove
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because it is!

granite shard
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Im also not saying offending

real dove
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Calling someone the wrong pronouns IS disrepectful!

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lmao wut

granite shard
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I am saying it is not polite to let someone call a guest by the wrong name or wrong pronoun

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So calling the viper the rattlesnake or the witch hunter he

devout monolith
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But from the perspective of those times that would be a new thing. Chary could have been more forgiving.. But I Gotta ask.. my favorite skin so far is Steel eyed, Worm..something, and that new dark coated, black hat (hugh Jackman inspired) hunter. What's the dirty?

granite shard
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He did not make a grand speech about non-binary identities or why people identify as agender

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He politely corrected the night seer about how to address the viper

devout monolith
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Dirt i mean.. Not dirty.. autocorrect. What's the dirt? /What is the news?.. Do we know more about them?

deft storm
# real dove because it is!

I think what I'm saying is that Powell didn't intend to be disrespectful (like he says later haha), and instead it's just a mistake that can be forgiven because the Viper is mostly masculine presenting, and Powell didn't yet know is preferences

granite shard
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I don’t understand why it’s hard to grasp then that chary is informing the night seer of his mistake then so he can remedy it going forward

real dove
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Steel eyed we don't lknow much about past his bio. He doesnt appear anywhere afaik. Worm Bite is part of the death pact, and has appeared in the events associated with them. are you talking about Hawkshaw Jack?

deft storm
real dove
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He was with the Infernal pact and has appeared in the lore a few times. I recc looking into the lore doc that is pinned that Rai put together

devout monolith
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Maybe.., ling coat, black hat.., looks a bit like john marston. Has leather armour beneath coat..,, a white U on the back. He came this newest event.

granite shard
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You’re certainly arguing around it then

real dove
granite shard
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The hex breaker

real dove
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ahhhhh

devout monolith
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Hex! Yes!!!

granite shard
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He’s a witch hunter from up north that the witch hunter knew. He came after she sent a letter requesting assistance as she pinpointed lynch to being the witch who murdered her family

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He’s gathering info on her from the drowned

devout monolith
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AHHH yes.. I suppose actually the rat and the kid is dead now?

granite shard
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They’re undead

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They’re guarding the bayou while everyone heads west

devout monolith
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Is the new map in the west? 😄

real dove
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northwest likely

devout monolith
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Could it be texas?

real dove
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doubt it. likely in the rockies

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the final entry of DW doesnt sound like texas

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mountains and tall trees?

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but who knows

deft storm
real dove
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Desalle is supposed to be north of NOLA and I'd love to know where lol

devout monolith
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NOLA?

granite shard
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It could be done better but also they have a limited number of words to work with and have to get ideas expressed in them

real dove
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New Orleans Lousiana

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NO- LA

granite shard
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It might be clunky but it’s the most direct way to get across to the reader “this character uses they/them pronouns”

real dove
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I really dont think it's clunky. it;s a little blurp in a 15 part event. Making a big deal out of something

devout monolith
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I keep hoping for warm sands and desert.. oh well..

deft storm
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kinda seems like it's bait for shippers too, haha, or maybe I'm so cynical from corporations pulling that crap everywhere else

noble scarab
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given that the moon trilogy is a novel in world, is that a detail that the author wouldve known regarding the viper

real dove
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It's exactly how any other person would have handled that. It is, tbf, duiring the moons

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which were written... oddly

devout monolith
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I am impressed that these skins has a following.

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But here u guys are, talking about them with glee. That is something done right.

noble scarab
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wormbite, the infected, the curse breaker dude (hugh jackman lookin ass) 10/10 skins

devout monolith
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The infected is awesome!

real dove
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Scaramooch

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i love his sassy ass

devout monolith
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Scaramooch is the native mexican?

real dove
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nope

noble scarab
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the italian theatre mask guy

real dove
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He's... italian?

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yeah

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thanks Tib

devout monolith
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Aahhh.., the phantom of the opera guy?

real dove
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No, that's the Phantom

devout monolith
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No no... three face

real dove
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yes

devout monolith
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Came with opera glasses..

real dove
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fancy hat

noble scarab
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i really like the turkish hunter too, his animation is so good

devout monolith
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The one in a turban?

noble scarab
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yea

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the puppetmaster

real dove
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there's a lot of good ones

devout monolith
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Golden mask freaked my friend out in a match. He came out through a flare

granite shard
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His trailer was fantastic

real dove
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Being that Hunters come from across the globe, we have such a cool collection

devout monolith
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But I want the old veteran... The Landon Rickett type of guy. IN A LONG BROWN DUSTER!!! Oh I hope one day!

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I love steel eyed... but hate his head. If I could replace steel eyeds head witht the wormbite guy., with no glasses.. then I would be happy

noble scarab
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steel eyed and the gunslinger lady have some of the best first person hand models that are simple but cool

devout monolith
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Steel eyed has a tiny polygon mistake on the hand. Hope they fix it soon

deft storm
spiral mica
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like how Call of Duty zombies is

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has real world events but is purely fictional

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that is my observation anyways

real dove
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Same. Alt universe/timeline/reality whatever. So going "Its not accurate to have hunters be accepting of having non binary hunters with them" is moot.

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To me

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But obv peeps can think what they want :3

real dove
# deft storm Good question

Going off how a bunch of our lore comes to us from writers (Collins!), why is this the thing that you take issue with?

deft storm
real dove
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The only one making it hot is you tho

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They don't make it into an issue in that event

deft storm
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nope?

real dove
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Chary is literally like hey call them them, and isaac is like cool and they move on. You're the only one who keeps saying it feels out of place

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But alas, I have to work and need to head to bed

deft storm
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he does say "show some respect", which could be interpreted as "There was an offense"

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night!

devout monolith
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I believe their are two types of fans.. The Realism vs The Art.. And There is nothing against it being realistic. They use real places, real time, real country, real period.. They haven't created this in Narnia. Folk have absolutely right to put aspects of the world in Hunt, as Hunt as borrowed the world as it's place. The Art people care more about the emotional. Is it true to us. It doesn't matter if they are gay, and have a car. It is fantasy, and we should enjoy it. That is okey too.. Both have really good arguments. Stop pounding each other over it. It is just two different views..

real dove
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Honestly to me it fits chary as the stern administrative person he comes off as to me. And still really not getting how you don't see that calling someone the wrong pronoun would be taken as offensive, esp if they are a guest. Of course chary would correct Isaac, and of course he'd say it in the way that makes sense for his character

deft storm
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it's ok, I'm not pounding, just didn't want to be misunderstood there and painted as something else

devout monolith
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No no.. you are being pounded aswell Tanner.. This is not a one way street

deft storm
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Isaac Powell's intention matters a lot, he's not trying to offend Viper.....it's ok! we can stop

orchid tangle
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chary is pretend nice man corporate person trying to sound like a gentleman
in a professional setting he probably wants to seem like he'd never hurt a fly

devout monolith
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And it might even be manipulative.. to get on the good side of vipers. I agree with Tanner that it is weird it should be commonplace. He might be using something he knows is important for Viper to his benefit.

deft storm
real dove
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Chary definitely uses people, no doubt about that

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Anyway. Outtie. Night!

devout monolith
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Night to you too! 😄 And thx for all the info!

real dove
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Of course! We're a bunch of lore goblins up in this mess

devout monolith
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And I love it.. can't wait to hear more! 😉

high stone
# spiral mica I believe Hunt is Alternate history

They probably don’t ever need to say which, but I don’t believe Hunt is supposed to be an alternate reality or universe. It’s just fiction that takes place in our known reality, about incredible events in the (somewhat) distant past.

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Think of it like “The X Files”, “Jane Eyre”, “Jurassic Park”,”Dracula”….whatever..it’s our world, but it shows you strange hidden events that did not happen to you, personally.

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an alternate reality also seems unlikely because of the clear effort the artist and designers put into the realism of the game. It can undermine the stakes and tension, and cut reasonable expectations and emotional investment in the story, when the reader is repeatedly reminded IN the plot that what they’re trying to immerse themselves into is not real

spiral mica
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The Wolfenstein series would be another good example of Alternate history genre

orchid tangle
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I think story wise with the identity stuff is it's just to make the story more comfortable for modern audiences really, also to make the hunters seem more relatable to modern people, cuz really if you look back on actual people from the 1800s, you most likely have nothing in common with them. I'm sure hunt takes place in "our" world like knife is saying, it's not like the evil of the 1800s is completely taken out of the game, you can play as tier 2 and 3 hunters still proudly wearing their confederate uniform. Theres a plantation in the game which probably had slaves before the game takes place. It's like how the hand cut dark tribute animation was removed, it's sensitive for some people.

If I had to enter the danger zone myself to talk, I doubt Chary really gives a fuck about someones identity, but he is/was the leader of the AHA, he's a business man at heart. And I mean listening to his voice in his chapters, we don't even know what the guy looks like and I can still picture his evil manipulative smirk on his face from his voice alone. Of course he's gonna act like he's in favor of the people he wants to work with, defend them, whatever. It really doesn't matter at the end of the day, the people showing off their identity publicly in 1890 southern US is unrealistic sure... BUT what's much much much more worse.... is the scopes are still in the wrong area on some guns, fix that then we can talk about 1890s social politics c:

spiral mica
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Wikipedia definition: Alternate history is a subgenre of speculative fiction in which one or more historical events have occurred but are resolved differently than in actual recorded history.

orchid tangle
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fair

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speaking of history, it's jefferson davis' birthday, target killing all the confederate tier skins on hunt for the day to celebrate

high stone
high stone
real dove
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Hunt doesn't have any confederate skinned hunters I thought, just dirty union ones (for obvious reasons)

orchid tangle
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they look way too gray to me to just be dirt, not impossible I guess, but I'm leaning towards confederate

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I mean it'd make sense imo, they fought on the land, they know how it works, it's home turf advantage. Or at least that'd be the thought process

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while not a hunter I'm also pretty sure scrapbeak is a confederate since his light blue uniform and running towards the cannon fire from fort

real dove
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Iirc he's just listed as a vet, they don't give him a side

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Don't quote me on it tho, I'm still trying to wake up lol

orchid tangle
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he's fighting in his trailer

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oh

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I misunderstood

real dove
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?

orchid tangle
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I thought you meant him being listed as a vet was the only thing we knew

real dove
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I mean I know more than that but didn't know he was given a side, just civil war vet... Will have to reread his masteries maybe they clarify there

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I could totally be wrong on the tier hunters but I'm pretty sure they're all union to stop people from being jerks, just like we likely won't ever get a Confederate soldier legendary

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But could be that some are. Pretty sure the Wikia has pics of em, will look

granite shard
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this is the closest but I think it's still a lot more blue compared to a confederate uniform

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orchid tangle
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I want my two in one legendary hunter of a union general and confederate general, and in their lore they're out for revenge on each other in the bayou but come together to learn the new ways of fighting... like every children show rival

orchid tangle
granite shard
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plus w how hunt went out of their way to make the captain having fought for the union, I think they're purposefully staying clear of confederates

orchid tangle
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while union was navy

granite shard
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that guy also looks young to have fought in the civil war tbh

orchid tangle
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but I doubt crytek really cared to look into any of that and it could very well be any blue = union

granite shard
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honestly with the dating a lot of the uniforms were probably meant more to be general army uniforms as opposed to civil war

orchid tangle
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yeah thats the case with people like bridgewater and probably the guy above

real dove
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There's some t3s with military uniforms on

granite shard
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but yeah I don't really want to see an actual confederate skin in game seeing as what happens when gamers are given an inch (see: red dead online)

real dove
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But in the Wikia lighting I just can't tell

orchid tangle
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the tier 3's I think are confederate because they look solid gray to me

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I could be blind

granite shard
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this guy?

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real dove
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In the lighting I really can't tell lol

granite shard
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it's too dark and again too young imo

orchid tangle
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I mean at youngest he'd be like 48, 49

real dove
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There's a few. Suspect, but going off how literally all civil war legendaries are union, I'd feel safe thinking the tier hunters are as well

orchid tangle
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he doesn't look too young

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it's the ones like this one that make me think it's gray uniform

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granite shard
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just to have a pic here to refernece

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I think they're just wearing darker clothes-- that esp looks like a shirt more than a jacket

real dove
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It's a Calvary hat, but I'm not familiar enough with civil war unis to know if the confeds had that same style (the union did with the crossed swords)

orchid tangle
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the insignias were the same in both armies

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cuz the fly of the seats plan to go to war an all

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not much time for change

real dove
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Tru

granite shard
real dove
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Dunno. Think it's gonna be an agreement to disagree:)

granite shard
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?

orchid tangle
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waitt

granite shard
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the hat's like one to one with that lol

real dove
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I doubt they would have confederate soldier

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But that's just me

orchid tangle
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as much as I love the thought of killing confeds in the bayou

real dove
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Not you Smalls :3

orchid tangle
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I might have found something to help your case

granite shard
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I think the realistic answer is they were probably not going for confederates and more just going for like

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american military guys

real dove
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Ja

granite shard
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and are europeans so just searched for references

real dove
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Could be. Having former Confederates makes sense but also... People run a mile with an inch

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Hence my doubt

orchid tangle
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I think this dude is black I can't tell if it's tan or black the lighting is weird
but if he is, then it's safe to say dirty union uniform

now after the war and the south tried to peddle the lost cause myth they did actually hand out some slaves uniforms to make them look all cool and friendly but ofc that's the biggest reach ever for a video game, that has no relation to the war, made by germans who probably don't care about this history

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granite shard
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yeah the guy's black

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I've gotten that guy before

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now I do think there are some zombies that have more confederate-y uniforms

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so the goal of shooting confederates today still works 😂

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and I think scrapbeak was probably a confederate soldier

orchid tangle
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does sculptor make actual zombies or are they all just possessed corpses from after it took hold of the bayou
my hunt lore knowledge is very limited

granite shard
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I believe the latter

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it's like an infection at least initially, but then the sculptor will make copies of them

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but yeah I think having AI with confederate uniforms and stuff is the best way to go about it-- have stuff there for "historical accuracy" but don't give the players the ability to play as a confederate

orchid tangle
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it'd still be possible yeah. After the war a lot of people just kept wearing their uniforms because it was genuinely the best, (or only good) clothing they had. I could see a few rocking their uniform on some random swamp hut porch before getting taken over

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I remember when I first got into hunt

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some dude just randomly said like all the confederates were brainwashed by a singular meathead and thats why none are around

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shoulda just went with that plotpoint honestly

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sounds 10/10

granite shard
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lmao

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chary experimented on them first and killed them all

orchid tangle
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but alright yep after seeing the black hunter in the same colored uniform I will switch my beliefs to dirty US army uniform. But even though I was wrong this is the first time I get to talk about my favorite war and it not turn into a political argument disaster, hooray

real dove
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Lol! Yeah, like, if there are union uniforms logically there would be confederate ones but also... gotta be careful with that

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I'd agree that I think Scrappy is likely former confed

river socket
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Is the helmsman’s mask armor? I don’t hear much about that guy

granite shard
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it's not really said what's going on there

real cedar
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Avoiding bringing clear attention to it is one thing, like the flag is politically charged so it's not smart to have that, but it seems way overly sensitive to avoid depicting the confederacy at all. It's Louisiana and something like 1,000,000 people fought for the southern states, simple math suggests we oughta see one or two uniforms or read that someone or their family fought in it. They're not a unique evil or anything, and Hunt isn't shy about letting you play as bad people. The Ronin is the equivalent of a confederate, on the losing side of violent social reforms. The Viper is straight up an assassin, The Reaper & Mama Maye are serial killers, Leander Coetzee in the Vetterli lore was a Boer, and there's plenty of other demented characters that do a lot worse than get drafted in a war.

granite shard
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they do depict the confederacy with things like scrapbeak tho

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the issue is when you give an inch with things like this and making it playable, people fucking run with it

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see: white clothes in red dead online

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like having the confederate stuff be not player controlled keeps with historical stuff without running into the very real potential of people using that skin specifically to be racist

real cedar
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Is scrapbeak confederate? The video has a more blue uniform -not that videos are reliable - and the lore just says he was in the war.

granite shard
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it's not really said either way but it's a strong potential he was a confederate soldier

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I think something his son said implied confederate

real cedar
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People said Daddy was a good man for what he done fighting in that war. But it’s complicated, what happens in a war. No matter what side you’re fighting for, war is always a deal with the Devil. And you don’t come out of a deal with the Devil like you were before.

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First line could imply confederate, third line could imply union

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But that sort of thing is what I'm talking about, it's way too sensitive to have a setting in Louisiana 30 years after the war and use nothing but implication to talk about one side of a major historical turning point for the country. The word 'confederate' or 'confederacy' only shows up in lore in the winfield and lemat weapon descriptions, and in an online story talking about the history of Fort Carmick.

granite shard
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but also is it all that relevant to the situation at hand? there's a couple of characters who have things tied to the civil war in their backstories but largely the focus is not on the civil war

icy brook
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In addition to Bridgewater some of these men could be Indian Wars veterans

granite shard
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like I'm not expecting a game set in the 70s to detail stuff about WWII

real cedar
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But at the same time you might expect them to mention WW2 vets existing or having an impact on events.
It's more relevant than many other character's backstories since it directly impacted the course of Louisiana history. How many businesses started or closed cause of it, how many people came or left the state, how many children lost a parent in the war and went down a dark path, that sort of thing.

granite shard
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but we have mentions of the civil war and how it impacted the area

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I just think that it is the correct choice to avoid giving players the ability to play as a confederate

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like in a perfect world where people wouldn't use that to be racist, it would be good

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but I think there needs to be consideration made for how people act when given these tools

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and that's not being too sensitive imo

real dove
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See: any reddit post where paople ask for a confederate skin

real cedar
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Mentions of the war, yes. The confederacy might as well not existed in Hunt lore, the way they tell it. Nobody fought for them, even Scrapbeak just gets implication.
I can almost see the point in avoiding players getting to play as one - but then they get to play as Redneck and be just as racist - but avoiding saying anybody in the lore was a confederate is WAY too much.

real dove
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They dont really dedicate a lot of energy into talking about pre-sculptor stuff tho

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Maybe the compound stuff from the blog

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and I remember a AMA where they explained why we still see civil war remants

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30 years after the war had ended. still got cannonballs lying around lmao

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tho I also wonder when the infection first broke if some of that stuff didnt get fixed and there were bigger fights against the grunts and stuff

orchid tangle
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so my best topic is probably the american civil war. I have a lot of ancestry in it to, my great great granduncle was the surgeon general during it which was an awesome find. My point is I have a lot of reasons to study it which I do, and because of that I do talk to a lot of people about it. And as much as I'd love confederate characters in the game so I could shoot them, and just because I do find their side of battle interesting I do think it's overly fair to not want to add them into the game as playable characters

You can go look at other games like war of rights about the civil war, pretty much anyone who decides to play on the south side are screaming racist shit. I do think it's fine to get into character a bit, do a hooray for dixie or whatever, but theres an obvious line that people love to cross. I don't think it has anything to do with sensitivity of crytek or whatever, this game doesn't stray from dark topics, the lore has a lot of fucked up shit. But I know how a lot of southern sympathizers are, and as much as I hate to admit it, if there were confederate hunters in the game you'd be seeing a lot more people using them to be mean rather than they thought the character was cool

real dove
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100%

granite shard
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yeah I think there is genuinely a lot of interesting history to be found in the civil war

real cedar
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People aren't able to play as scrapbeak though so why can't he concretely be a confederate?

granite shard
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I'm not against that

real cedar
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That's where I see the sensitivity, mainly

orchid tangle
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I'm pretty sure he is it's just not important

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in his trailer he's storming out of fort towards cannon fire in 1863
he's in a light blue uniform which is accurate for confederate infantry

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it's just what does his war time matter to him being a giant monster in '95

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it's everything that happened after his wartime that's interesting, him in it is probably just like anyone else

real cedar
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The lore seems to tie it pretty close, saying war put the devil in him

warm quartz
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Personally I'm curious about John Victor

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Could it be the guy in the tutorial?

orchid tangle
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he was probably just scared
he was an infantry man he's no Lee or Sherman

real cedar
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I believe it's confirmed John is the tutorial guy, yeah

high stone
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Who is John Victor?

real dove
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in lore hunter

real cedar
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John Victor/Voelkel/Voelkell is a guy who somehow ends up embroiled in a lot of things. He chased down the Twins for a time, fought against the Night of the Hunter group, was there for the creation of the Avtomat, was one of the first to hunt the Spider, went all the way up to Canada to recruit the Mountie, talked a teenage girl into being a hunter to escape being a murderer, and became the tutorial guy.

high stone
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Interesting, ty!

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About the confederate stuff - I didn’t think Crytek would shy away from ever mentioning the confederacy in what is pretty much “R rated” media, especially since it’s related to the setting and Reconstruction…it’s not like they’re adding customizable outfits with pillowcase hats or anything

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Like Smalls said, give the gamers an inch…

stiff minnow
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I love the phrase "pillowcase hats"

high stone
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Haha i’m just thinking of a move Rockstar games would make - “Hey Gamerrss! Check out the new Pillowcase Hat in the store! 😉”

stiff minnow
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lol they would

warm quartz
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Apparently it has an inner circle armed with the guns

real cedar
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I'll have to re-read that part but it sounded like Victor stole the plans from them and had Yuri build one

warm quartz
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Weirdly, Nadia, who's Powell's right hand person fighter, doesn't use the avtomat, but a lot of bum weapons like winfield, romero and martini

real cedar
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Ohh the NOTH connection was on one of the avtomat skins, Baptismal Blood

warm quartz
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I figure two people duel for the right, and the winner makes a gun out of the loser

real cedar
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It sounds like they have just the one gun and it gets repeatedly used for the initiation, sent out into the bayou with it to collect monster blood

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and if they die, others have to go collect it and add the failed guy's bone

granite shard
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I desperately want more night of the hunter lore they're really interesting

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esp nadia, one of her gun skins makes it sound like she has doubts abt the cult

real cedar
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The weirdest thing is that they have this Night of the Hunter cult, but then they also have the Night of the Hunter program with twitch partners, and the two don't seem to be connected at all

granite shard
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what you don't know is the secret blood rituals you have to do in order to join the night of the hunter creator program

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I'm only a contributor and I've already had to offer up two limbs

feral quail
granite shard
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the people need to know what they'll need to give up for orange

real dove
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I didn't read think as smart as Smalls and offer up OTHER PEOPLE'S limbs tho. Rip left arm and right leg

rotund ferry
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Hey y’all

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Got a lore question for yall

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Which hunter had the worse like death in lore

granite shard
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probably butcher's cleaver

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eaten alive by bugs is horrible

rotund ferry
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Was that one hunter looked like the butcher?

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Idk much on hunter lore

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I know kid got it bad

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And rat

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I think

granite shard
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yes

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the kid and rat both died pretty badly -- kid got his face blown off with a shotgun and the rat was shot in the back & had her dynamite explode on her

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but the butcher's cleaver's death was worse imo just due to how prolonged that would have been, you feel

rotund ferry
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Well than

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That during the events correct

granite shard
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yeah

rotund ferry
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And was the butcher cleaver like a leader

granite shard
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tide of shadows for the rat, tide of corruption for the kid, and tide of desolation for the butcher's cleaver

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correct, he led the demented pact up until he lost the murmurstone, at some point after that the cowl took over

rotund ferry
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Was that the group that got hunted down by the other hunters

granite shard
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yeah

rotund ferry
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Ah ok

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I know the infernal ones were weird

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Burn the corruption

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I wonder if they are any of them alive or all of them are dead

granite shard
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it's not really clear what happened to the infernal pact

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the death pact shot them up but it's not stated if any of the legendary hunters from the pact lived or died

rotund ferry
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More than likely hiding for the hunters to leave

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The scarecrow had a boat got them

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But idk which group was worse

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In lore

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Idk much

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I think the assassin tricked someone and when hunters went after it bugs went into them

granite shard
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the tides trilogy lore is pretty quick to read through

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it'll answer a lot of the questions you have

rotund ferry
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Ah ok

real cedar
granite shard
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OH GOD I FORGOT ABT BIRTHING THE MEATMAN

orchid tangle
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that's a lot of cool hunters to throw away in a single sentence

granite shard
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Agreed

high stone
pastel steppe
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I know some hunter's are based off of some of the people irl like the conspirator. Is burnt marshall based off of any one irl?

granite shard
high stone
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Yeah they are really cool, they’ve always been a strong idea as part of Hunt

granite shard
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Yeah I love them

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I love the night acolyte’s book of weapons entries a lot too, seeing her again would be sick

high stone
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I have to read them again, she does have great weapons

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Maybe the most weapons out of anyone, too??

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Idk

real cedar
spiral mica
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wasn't night seer and night acolyte also infernal hunters?

orchid tangle
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and I'm a private eye main

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I remembr night seer always being involved with chary and I think he was ingame, but I don't remember him being brought up in the recent events

spiral mica
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I main gar so my hunter is already dead

orchid tangle
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wait... black coat was one of the ones that got shot at the thing?

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because isn't he confirmed killed by someone else later in life? If I'm remembering that correctly I guess it's slight confirmation that the shooting wasn't the actual death of at least some of them

spiral mica
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I guess he came back somehow

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hunters can do that a lot it seems

real cedar
orchid tangle
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womp womp

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oh well the entire trilogy was about dead people not staying dead anyway

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I'm sure they're fine

zealous token
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Private Eye’s bio (or one of her legendaries) references her losing Hackshaw Jack during the events of the overall story, doesn’t it?
Presumably that means she survives the Death Pact’s attack, right?

granite shard
real dove
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I just realized we don't have a mining/prospecting Hunter. If we're going to an area with lots of mines, I wonder if we're going to get one based around that.

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Railroad Hammer that's a pickaxe skin

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Some kind of dynamite skin maybe?

orchid tangle
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if we get mines to explore they should have some crows in cages as if to test the air in the area, be little mini alerts, can't fly away and only one at a time, but well more than enough for an alert in a small "indoor" place... They'd be long dead realistically but realism is for nerds anyway

real dove
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Didn't they use canaries not crows?

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Or is that just a myth

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Actually it would be kind of funny if they stuck rabbits in cages since that whole song of rabbit in the mine

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Cry tech you better stick a bunny rabbit somewhere in a mine as a reference to your own music

real dove
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Assuming that we are going north into the rockies, Miner/Prospector would make sense. Some kind of train conductor too, with how many trains we be seeing. Trappers were still active too, Furry version of the reptilian maybe lol. At least those furry coats people got would make more sense. Dunno. Super hype for august

real cedar
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If we do get some rockies miner stuff, I hope we get a legendary skin referencing Tommyknockers. Great bit of folklore.

warm quartz
steady venture
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any good overall lore yt channel/video recommendations?

real dove
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Hazmat is the only one i know of tbh

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but he's a good watch

steady venture
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its just "Hazmat" on yt?

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preciate you, i'm a big fan of the lore, but i've only seen a couple videos here and there

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kind of wanted to go down the rabbithole tn lol

real dove
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oop. well he's Hazmat FTW

steady venture
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betbet preciate that

warm quartz
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Despite what you might think, he's NOT a Fallout ghoul

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His voice is just raspy

steady venture
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ig i'll findout soon, just got back 👀

severe sleet
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I need a complete nutshell on who the statesman is and why he is in the bayous

high stone
spiral mica
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Somebody told me Statesman works for the United states federal government

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not sure if thats true or not but his name is Statesman so I guess that would make sense

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the other possibility is he is secret society like AHA

real cedar
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It seems like he's the next tier up in the secret society of the AHA

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The groups of people that foot soldiers like Hardin that only got recruited out of necessity wouldn't know about

real dove
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I suspect the backers aren't related to the AHA. I feel like it would have been mentioned by now

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as well as Finch going RIP AHA in his letter.

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But Statesman is Hardin's Sugar Daddy, he reps a group we only know as the backers right now. Seems like a middle man, and I won't be shocked if we find out Hardin kills him next event (Hopefully he won't just poof and his disappearance will be mentioned) so that Hardin can take on the middle man role/get closer to the backers in question

real cedar
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Finch was only saying RIP Louisiana AHA, he says other branches have been called on. It would make sense that all these branches have something above them, the equivalent of a federal government to their state government.

real dove
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AFAIK the AHA is that- finch was likely RIPing the louisiana branch

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American Hunter Association. So could be the backers are part of it

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I just would have thought that Statesman/DW stuff would have said that they are AHA

granite shard
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I think the backers might be unaffiliated w the AHA proper since nobody knows who they are

real dove
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Same

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I think they would have said something about them being AHA

granite shard
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But irt larger AHA stuff— the witch hunter’s associated w the northern branch right?

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I feel like I remember something abt that

real dove
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We still have whomever the DOD met, tailcoat guy (provided that wasnt the statesman)

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Northern branch was wiped out by linch no?

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Lynch herg

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I thought WH's whole thing was that the NY branch was gone

real cedar
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Only if the New York branch was only staffed by the Elias family

real dove
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True, and we have Hexbreaker

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just remember her blurb having somethign about it

granite shard
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Her family was killed but that’s it

real dove
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Mk. coulda sworn there was something but idk rn

granite shard
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Ok yeah NY branch of the AHA

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Seems to cover a lot of ground up there since her HQ was Mass

real dove
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ja. but coulda sworn there was something about the NY branch getting fucked up, but may just be insane

granite shard
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Only thing is that her family was all killed

orchid tangle
icy brook
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You may be thinking of the tainted serum that was distributed to them by Lynch, as referenced in the first Christmas event with the Skinflint saga

real dove
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porhaps

icy brook
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It wouldn’t surprise me if there isn’t an AHA branch somewhere in the western US, especially with the Cascade outbreak

granite shard
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The cascade thing seems to have been retconned, tho I think more for accuracy of the wayfinder’s tribe more than anything

real dove
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I think that's what I keep thinkig of

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"While the terror was being controlled in N"

granite shard
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I wouldn't be surprised if the terror in NY was witches

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since lynch is supposedly the last witch

real dove
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yeah, idk

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I just had it in my head that the NY branch was gone

slender gate
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I want to learn the story and history / lore of the game. Where should I start?

granite shard
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check out this document from @real cedar that compiled all of the lore in the game https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_rKddGsDAJjaijR5uK1gefOipscWTXeFy8Ry0vF-oTY/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs
Hunt Showdown Lore Compendium

Rai’s Hunt Lore Compendium [This aims to be the most complete compendium on Hunt: Showdown lore, featuring transcriptions of as many stories, articles, lore blurbs, and relevant facts as I can get my hands on. Additionally, it aims to connect lore where possible, bringing together the many scatte...

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a good starting point in my opinion is the Moon trilogy, and then followed up with the Tides trilogy + desolation's wake

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and then from there going into the book of weapon entries

noble scarab
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Lynch or someone sent their hunters a bad batch of serum and turned them all into grunts, some more sentient than others I believe

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Dunno if it got retconned but that lore told us that the NY branch is done

real dove
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Accounts Received is him giving that woman/grunt to Lynch. Looking for the bit about the serum

real cedar
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“I've been affected. By the corruption. I'm infected. It wasn't long before you showed up with a mind to sell my name to the highest bidder. My group was not privy to some very important information. We were given instructions about the inoculation ritual, but they were incorrect. They were intended to leave us vulnerable, and destroy us.

slender gate
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Smthn like this for hunt would be great imo. I seen one video of it before but they had a very weird western accent they tried doing and ruined it

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real dove
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Gotcha

real cedar
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It's harder to do an accurate timeline for hunt cause every event and DLC adds onto the lore, unlike singleplayer games where everything is in one place and won't be changing until the next release.

real dove
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Yeah. I hope we get one from Hunt official, as there's some iffi with Huff's death and such

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but doubt it'll come

granite shard
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I've been wanting to get into making lore videos for hunt but god the amount of work that goes into making videos is so daunting that I've not really started

icy brook
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Since the show license project has probably died by now, a short novel series or anthology would be nice

granite shard
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yea the license has died

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david's mentioned interest in novelization which would be sick

real dove
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hell yeah

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Smalls proceeds to write Lulu/Sofia's wedding

icy brook
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That would probably be the best way to give the lore more of a solid reference base

orchid tangle
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make a giant lore video and by the halfway point just start making shit up for fun
since you have to work to unlock lore in this game about 80% of players will just believe you

real dove
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I've said it before, but I think hunt could really do something akin to fnaf

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where it's a bunch of short stories set in the world

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we bascially have that as is

rare dirge
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Ballet of buster scrugs or whatever did that

orchid tangle
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little short stories set in the same world is probably my favorite type of story series

rare dirge
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The movie is a bunch of short stories all together in a movie

granite shard
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ignoring everything else around overwatch's story stuff

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the way they've done short stories, comics, and full novels has been great

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and the lore book they put out last year was genuinely one of the best video game lore books of all time it was so well put together

real dove
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I like the short stories collections. It's enough to pack a bunch of good stuff in there

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but not drag out a lotta bs

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and I just think it fits with hunt

rare dirge
real dove
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think so

orchid tangle
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I'd like a hunt story based off the frisco shootout, like some random hunter we've never heard of before hauling up in some house against a trio of known legendaries. Frisco is a neat story though it was an actual wild west shootout where this soon to be lawyer was chased into a house by a gang who allegedly shot over 4 thousand rounds into the house before giving up, the lawyer guy won the court case by bringing in that houses door as evidence which had over 400 bullet holes through it.

rare dirge
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That’s a lot of bullets

orchid tangle
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they should let us carry that in long ammo

real dove
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a door?

orchid tangle
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as long as it's 4000 doors sure

ember bolt
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did yall know the hunt showdown universe is in the same universe as game of thrones? the butcher is actually the mountain from game of thrones

real dove
#

I wonder what dlc we got coming this month

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Or if they're stalling everything until august

orchid tangle
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I believe they said some will come out before

gilded umbra
ember bolt
steady venture
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to the 2 people that put me on hazmat ftw

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it was FIRE

high stone
#

Haz is the man

warm quartz
#

What is the term for a pact member

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Pacter?

real cedar
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Pacter? I hardly even know her! 🙂

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I think it's just pact member though

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Yup, Chapter 9 of Tide of Desolation uses Pact member. Other times they're mentioned by name, like "I registered a Demented's head explode to pieces"

neat juniper
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pactist

warm quartz
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@granite shard Why did you use bisexual heart on your fanart of circe

granite shard
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Because she’s bi and I did the painting for pride

warm quartz
granite shard
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That we’ve seen. I asked what her specific sexuality is and was told bi

warm quartz
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Asked who?

granite shard
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I asked Violet, who asked one of the writers, who said she’s bi

warm quartz
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Well I guess they should know

rotund ferry
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@granite shard Do you know about prodigal daughters sexuality by chance?

real dove
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mountain man (MLM), witch hunter (sapphic), hail mary (sapphic), lulu (lesbian), sofia (nonbinary lesbian), viper (nonbinary), iron bark (presumably nonbinary based on only ever being referred to with they/them pronouns), ronin (MLM presumed based on the katana lore), jos (lore only, sapphic), allison (lore only, sapphic)

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Not that we know of right now

spiral mica
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I thought mountain man and witch hunter were both bisexual

real dove
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WH hasn't been confirmed in lore but she's been confirmed via asking the writers. Unsure on MM. That's the list I've got currently from Smalls, so it's a bit out of date on the WH front

spiral mica
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Yeah I assumed Witch hunter was bisexual

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and mountain man had a wife at one point I thought

real cedar
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The most we know is that two women were connected to Mountain Man and lived where he came from. Could be wife and kid, could be mother and sister, could be anything.

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...and then got word back from Colorado that the ranch had burned and Lorie and Janice were gone to Jesus and well about then I started to feel like nothing much I did mattered any more

granite shard
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I really do thing that something interesting to explore with the mountain man would be compulsory heterosexuality and him being somewhat forced into that sort of traditional masculine role (get a wife and kids, be “normal”). It’s something a lot of gay men have experienced, and it would work well with what has been established for him as a character

rotund ferry
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what does MLM mean? in my country that means something with government

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man like man?

warm quartz
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He is the goverment

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It's his mountian

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That's why they call him mountain man

granite shard
rotund ferry
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does that mean lesbians phonetically WOOLOOLOOOL?

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like the age of empires sound?

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ROFL

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no wonder she broke up with me. i give the wrong catcalls

warm quartz
spiral mica
autumn perch
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So if the demented are trying to ascend would it be pretty cool if a new boss was one of the members that actually had managed to do that

granite shard
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I'm not entirely certain their idea of ascension is possible

autumn perch
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Well maybe not "ascend" but be molded by the scluptor in some way

granite shard
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The caption from the fair play task force ig post got me thinking abt my favorite hunt lore thing

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How the fact that bc we’re starting of a baseline of “these are generally bad people” we can see those sorts of bad people still doing good things

real dove
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#hazbinhotelvibes

granite shard
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I think it really provides an interesting story potential when you have people who are just like, actually awful in the grand scheme of things, still managing to do good things and work towards achieving a mutual goal

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and I do think there are some people in the lore who are more traditionally good -- the witch hunter is probably the main one imo -- but the way they have to operate in this world still pushes good people to do bad things and I just think it's neat

gilded umbra
#

In terms of alignment, is The Statesman considered Lawful Evil or Chaotic Good? 🤔

real dove
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Not sure we can really call any of them good lol

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He took pleasure in killing folks when he and Hardin got ammo

granite shard
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I'd say somewhere in the lawful neutral to lawful evil spectrum

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I think w hunt specifically we have to give a little grace in alignments since most of them are bad people, but even then I don't think I could consider the statesman good

real dove
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yeahhhhhh

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there are some I could put in the "good" if you ignore murders other hunters for fun aspect

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he aint one

sturdy hawk
#

I don't know much about Hunt lore but the Hex Breaker skin description said that he was there for 'corruptions before mankind'. Does that mean what's happening in Louisiana also happened to cavemen?

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And since it's been happening a long time anyway, have there been medieval-age Corruptions where dudes in plate had to run into the countryside with axes and pikes to hunt bosses?

real dove
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There was once (and may still be) a thing about the Sculptor being one of several similar beings- likely just the sculptor now- that pop up throughout history

granite shard
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it's been implied that similar scenarios have popped up before

real dove
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they get "defeated" and pushed back into their realm, then pop up again some later time.

granite shard
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in one of the TIde of Corruption chapters, Chary talks about it

real dove
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wasnt there something that said something akin to "I think we have a Sculptor on our hands" ?

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I know recent history is more The Sculptor over A sculptor

granite shard
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at this point I think it's been referred to as a singular being enough that we should probably just consider it to be a singular entity

real dove
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yeah

granite shard
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it's just my opinion but I think louisiana incident lore and stuff from that era brings more confusion than anything and since it's been mostly retconned it's worth just tossing out whent talking abt recently set up hunt lore

real dove
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yeah

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hopes for lorebook

granite shard
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but also for the hex breaker I wouldn't be surprised if corruptions before mankind could also refer to witches

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since he's a witch hunter

real dove
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i wonder

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if he's going to be a KEY part of breaking lynch's control over the hunters

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assuming she can control them via the serum

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esp since he's BB

granite shard
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I think we'll need to see just what she can do w serum stuff before lol

real dove
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yes

granite shard
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so far it's just been sofia & worm bite being like Hm Maybe This Is Bad and then we saw what happened w shit gone wrong in NY

real dove
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and DOD

granite shard
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but there's been no real indication of her having specific powers over the hunters w the serum

real dove
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and Rat

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oh wait

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they were sculpty

granite shard
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the drowned seemed to be less of the serum than witch just generally being a witch

real dove
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disregard its monday brain no work

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ja

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I wonder if he'll be the one then

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that comes and gets them

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brings us back to NOLA

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"hey the drowned have started acting weird..."

granite shard
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I think that we will likely see lynch pop up in the west

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more than seeing them cart back to Louisiana any time soon

real dove
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I actually really think we wont

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I think we are gonna see the backers have been using the bounties to do Bad Things

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and then Lynch will be why we go back to the swamp

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but will see

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hype either way

granite shard
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like the drowned seem to be staying there more bc they're gross and can't travel and are kinda superhumanly strong so they're better to just keep an eye on shit and make sure the corruption doesn't spread a lot rather than lynch stuff

real dove
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Yes, but they have a connection to her. they are alive via her

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hence my assumption she could take control of them again given eough power

granite shard
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yea but I guess my point is that I don't think the hex breaker has any real reason to be staying down in louisiana w them when he's likely gotten most of the asnwers out of them that he could

real dove
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fair

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Dunno

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To be seen

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I want it to be August 15th

granite shard
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yea ultimately all of this is assumptions based off of very little text lol

real dove
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ja

spiral mica
granite shard
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I think it enhances the point of his character while also exploring the norms of society and what it means to break from them

rotund ferry
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This channel has some of the strangest debates of the whole server sometimes.

spiral mica
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is that correct?

granite shard
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Yeah

spiral mica
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Yeah I'd agree that concept would make for a good character arc for Mountain man

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The weapon skin that confirms his appeal to men doesn't elaborate on who the man in particular was. I think a good portion of that concept could be directed towards who this mystery man is, how him and Mountain man came to meet and the overall development of their relationship.

glass mirage
rotund ferry
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Feels like a lot of lore-speculation rather often

icy brook
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The more you read into the golden age of fur trapping the more you realize most of those men who went west left conventional society for some reason or another because they felt marginalized by it, so it doesn’t surprise me the mountain man would have entered that world towards the end of its zenith

spiral mica
granite shard
spiral mica
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Haha that's what I'm saying

granite shard
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There would be very limited discussion if people stuck to the base established facts

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Part of the fun to me is seeing how other people connect to the stories told and what their takeaways are

rotund ferry
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I very much prefer sticking to the facts.

granite shard
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?

glass mirage
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Real

spiral mica
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I don't believe purely sticking to facts alone leaves much room for actual Hunt lore discussion

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as Smalls said, there's just too much open ended stuff to solely stick to facts only.

granite shard
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Not to mention speculation abt established lore oftentimes is picking up on things that writers leave as hints that will be addressed later on

spiral mica
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And it's also fun to speculate about information that could or could not be true.

real dove
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I feel like a solid portion of the lore is rooted in speculation

granite shard
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Like in tide of corruption, the kid’s death was something that I immediately picked up on as a “oh he’s not staying dead” thing

real dove
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Esp with the older bow/bom stuff

granite shard
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That was speculation at the time but was absolutely proven to be true in tide of desolation

spiral mica
real dove
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Well the BOW stuff is a compendium gathered by a researcher (not THE researcher) so to me I think they are either of the AHA but in the future, or some similar organization

spiral mica
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Also this whole infection in the state of Louisiana is sort of like a new frontier in the United States. It would be impossible to gather facts without speculation.

real dove
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But yeah, looking through their notes, they aren't 100% on the lore either

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Idk, I see no issues with speculation, and feel it's a critical part of the lore for Hunt. We don't have a lot of concrete stuff really, there's a lot of reading between lines and people all read differently. Which I appreciate. If you think its a lot of yapping, well, it is lore discussion. Discussion implies yapping 🙂

indigo raptor
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What does this mean? 🤔

rotund ferry
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Think of a historical drama: It's a modern story written to appeal to a modern audience moved into a past setting.
And of course it's logical to do this, after all it's to sell a product.

indigo raptor
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Seems dismissive of all the hard work our Narrative team does on historical research

glass mirage
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The narrative team does a good job

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Its just that sometimes discussion of the lore is built on discussions on discussions on some open ended stuff so it gets silly

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Just an observation nothing wrong with that

icy brook
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For the most part Hunt lore is pretty grounded as far as historical fiction goes

rotund ferry
# indigo raptor Seems dismissive of all the hard work our Narrative team does on historical rese...

No, it's not dismissive at all. The narrative team doing a lot of research to make the story feel immersive and accurate does not contradict it being a story intended to appeal to modern consumers.
If saying that were dismissive, then those people countering criticism of things that are not entirely historically accurate (e. g. some guns having been invented later IRL) with "it's a fictional story" would also be dismissive of the Narrative Team's work.

rugged harbor
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Do we know what the SS Delphine looked like from the last event trilogy?

loud steeple
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It was a paddle boat so not like that

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Probably something akin to this

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although the back would be more open. There seemed to be easy access to the actual paddle wheel

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This steamer from Scrooge mcduck comics is what comes to mind for me when I try to imagine the Delphine

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mint wind
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It needs a big wheel so the bloodbath could happen 🙃

warm quartz
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Why did the moon pick Kevin

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He's a good kid

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I guess it has something to do with ritual Chary did

green pollen
mint wind
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Apparently the Delphine drove over some people.

real dove
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entering into the LOD, right?

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or was that enola

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brain crispy today

granite shard
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The Delphine ran over people during a hurricane and entered the lotd bc of that

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A circus tent full of them

real dove
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gotcha, i remembered the circus but not which boat was it

spiral mica
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I remember the event saying something along the lines of "the paddle wheel was churning up bodies and they hit the deck bursting."

granite shard
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yea!

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it's nasty

spiral mica
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I'm going to assume the bodies were bloated and infected grunts