lore-discussion

[granite shard]

I got to sofia's second chapter in the BP yesterday and ended up buying the next couple of levels to get to her final chapter and Man

I'm wondering if chary will actually die for real this event

I'm SO bummed abt ||the kid|| dying tho like GOD I got some insane yuri moments in exchange for his life

sofia says some insane things abt thinking abt the love of her life every time the bullet she never fully got out of her arm acts up, the freak x freak relationship of all time

I wonder if the fire stuff is actually sculptor related or if it's just the demented pact being nuts and thinking it is

[sinful warren]

I need to take my time to read the chapters I have 💀

[granite shard]

I really like them

imo the team's really found their footing here with these event narratives. I liked the moon trilogy narrative a lot, but I think the focused chapters by the hunters themselves really helps a lot with the story

[sinful warren]

Truly, reading Devil's moon chapters was kinda bruh

[granite shard]

I like devil's moon stuff, but I think the important thing to keep in mind there is most of it is presented in an in-universe dime novel

so it's campy and weird bc it's meant to be

but I do prefer having just straight up journal entries stating what happened

[sinful warren]

Same

[cold wind]

so kid is now canonicly dead

[granite shard]

Unless he comes back from the land of the dead since the door’s open

[cold wind]

yee true

[granite shard]

The implication of him being sucked underwater is that’s where he’s taken I think

But yeah Man I’m sad bc he’s my favorite male hunter

[cold wind]

i been thinkin bout buyin him for a while now

but ill buynthe meridian thing first

[sinful warren]

Do we have a concrete idea about what QP(Soul Survivor) is?

I always thought of it as some limbo where dead hunters go to return to life or something like that

[granite shard]

I can’t remember if there’s any lore articles abt it or how canon it should be considered

That feels right tho

[edgy aspen]

Is it Limbo or is it multiple hunter candidates given the dark sight serum and neededing to survive? As the serum generally kills most who take it. They need to absorb some of the rift energy to survive.

[granite shard]

it being about saving souls feels more supernatural

[upbeat kiln]

Hunters who have engaged in too much hunting (consorted with the dark arts) will inevitably become "damned", decaying into husks as their bodies shrivel. Eventually, their souls will be lost. The wellspring can cure them of damnation.

[sinful warren]

I knew I could count on you Hazmat, thanks!

[upbeat kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-gif-27205452

[opal gyro]

what is the comet referenced in the Burning Marshall’s bio?

[noble scarab]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biela's_Comet

[opal gyro]

oh it’s real?

thanks for the info

read into it a bit. “A fringe theory links together several major fires that occurred simultaneously in America, including the Great Chicago Fire, the Great Michigan Fire, and the Peshtigo Fire, claiming that they were caused by fragments of Biela's Comet striking the Earth, in October 1871.”

[rotund ferry]

Do we know what the Burnt Marshall's nationality is?

[granite shard]

I think his voice actor is latino

https://x.com/luisbermudezvo/status/1710371683792789572?s=46&t=XMaaRp7MOXKhIGp8_GwxkQ

Yeah

So maybe latino?

[halcyon thistle]

Are the new scrapbeak hunters Irish?

[halcyon thistle]

Which does the Burnt Marshall have dailogue in? I can't remember.

[granite shard]

Lore chapters for the new event

I think 2, 5, and 6

[halcyon thistle]

Oh okay thanks. I'm on console so I don't have access to those yet unfortunately.

[granite shard]

Ah bummer

I don’t know if anyone’s posted them online yet

[halcyon thistle]

Haven't seen them on the subreddit or anything yet but I'll keep an eye out! Thanks again 🙂

[formal folio]

I have a perfect idea for the most pay 2 win skin ever or u can go rb6 seige route and upscale to normal size and step aside red shirt

According to Reddit this is low effort but a chick or other mouth breathers asking for help instead off figure if our like me is not low effort I have every dlc get fooked if u don’t like me

Ur walecum yall

[rotund ferry]

how bout no?

[formal folio]

What’s ur cross over danger/ranger cause fist full off dollars Clint eat wood was down voted I c why now the kid has the same outfit yuck

Garentueed he dosent have a better 1 just likes to hear his ass clap

I got u slow poke here ur guy

[frozen drift]

Which of the pacts here are, for lack of a better term, the “Good aligned” pact?

Or the lawful aligned pact

[noble scarab]

Death, they’re at least trying to make sure things stay dead rather than coming back to life as undead or worse

[frozen drift]

Right. What would you say the other two are aligned as?

[granite shard]

Death is the most good aligned pact, but maybe neutral good. Infernal I’d say is lawful but neutral this event, evil in devil’s moon (tho w chary still being in charge, the end result is still evil). Demented is chaotic evil

Has anyone unlocked the chart chapters yet?

I’ve gotten through the final sofia one

[tropic falcon]

Finished the full pass

Have yet to read the lore

Lil piggy is fun looking tho

[molten forge]

Is the Murmurstone a conduit for the Sculptor or some other influence?

[white pasture]

Blatantly connected to sculptor it appears.

Pretty sure that's what is murmuring through it. Sculptor always seemed not physically present by how it was spoken of.

Or rather how those who know about it behave.

Timeline so fucked up now we will likely never know what was the intended lore.

Appears to be active for decades before game time. Likely manipulated events causing the Louisiana Event rather than being said event itself.

Have read 0 current event lore though

[earnest jungle]

If you could send us screen shots it would be much appreciated

[edgy aspen]

Tide of Shadows story mentioned that the murmurstone has been around for thousands of years and was responsible for some of humanity's technological breaktrhoughs.

[rotund ferry]

Deep dwemer lore

[tropic falcon]

Problem is I speak spanish so the game is in that language XD

Can try to translate

But maybe tomorrow

[strong oyster]

I'm assuming the murmurstone and the relic from the tide of shadows event are one in the same?

[granite shard]

Yeah

At least one of the relics

Sofia’s second chapter includes another relic from the Delphine

[untold lodge]

It's funny when you remember that while all this is going on, Kevin is out there sending spam letters to strangers.

[tropic falcon]

At least some hunters are answering his call

[wind stirrup]

i found the lore of the last events in English in a wikia, is there by any chance the german version ANYWHERE to be found ? or is it lost ?

i would love to read my past unlocked story things

listen to the audio etc. i know its on youtube but comon, so much efford into the story and voiceover and then i have to use external pages to listen to it again

[untold lodge]

yeah, it'd be nice if the Moon faction comes back in a later event. I know the trilogy is done but it just feels weird to reveal "oh btw the moon is sentient and wants to kill Chary" then just leave it as it is.

[tropic falcon]

Not only that, my mind is a bit foggy, but I remember them leaving us with the idea that the american association was rallying to take back the bayou from the pacts no? That left me intrigued by the idea of us seeing a "civil" war per say

[tropic falcon]

That would be so cool, like add a new book where we can see the lore of the past events

[untold lodge]

Just looked up the chapters of Devils Moon and yeah it's basically the Lousiana AHA admitting they can't control the pacts and have called for back up. Now in fairness do we know when the Tide trilogy takes place? If its only a few days after Moon then you could argue the back up just hasn't arrived yet.

[tropic falcon]

That could be it, and before they arrive the derranged brought heck on earth

Taking the oportunity from a disorganized and vulnerable bayou

[noble scarab]

Timelines fucked up

[astral kiln]

A quick question to anyone who may know or help me find an answer:
I wanted to see who owned this pocket watch on the Storm Chaser skin. Theres no matching initials in any of the legendary hunters and no hints in the description (I also thought it could Mr. Chary, but ruled it out after learning his name is Mr. Orville Chary)

[noble scarab]

May be just an Easter egg or nod to someone from the devs

[rotund ferry]

If I remember correctly there's a tombstone with the name Jacob on it on Stillwater

Could be a reference to that

[frozen drift]

Is ochenkov’s widow a grunt?

[granite shard]

No

[white pasture]

He was consumed

Weird skin flint isn't infernal pact again

[lucid anvil]

Maybe he had a change of heart. Feeling charitable all of a sudden perhaps? Lol😂

Does anyone know how the music of the game relates to the plot? I’m on console, so I’ve been listening to “drowning water” and “marked for death”. Marked for death seems to be referring to the Delphine, and the new song seems to reference… I’m not sure. Gar? The lyrics talk of somebody drowning, or seemingly wanting to be taken by the water. Just seems to have alot of parallels. I’m curious. @me if you have any ideas!

[rotund ferry]

She's a supernatural weapon created by Mr. Chary

For whatever reason she's decided to defect to the Demented pact instead of remaining with the Infernal pact

might be because she sees herself as part of the Sculptor now so she's fallen in with the target worshipping cultists

[granite shard]

potentially murmerstone influence?

since that seems to be a madness attractor/amplifier

also when Chary was weakened (tide of shadows, him needing to be healed by cardinal rain) he might have lost his control over her

[cloud copper]

What kind of betrayal and dark legacy are we talking about prodigal daughter dlc?

[noble scarab]

The prodigal daughter’s mother was a spy for the union during the civil war and somehow a number of aha associates betrayed her and caused her death iirc

[real dove]

Some thought that Finch was involved, as one of her guns has "elwood" carved into a round on it

[earnest jungle]

Finch also has something to do with the Mummerstone. As in Chapter Eight it is revealed by Jelico the Ship’s Navigator whose body was absorbed into the Hull of the Delphine that it was on Finch’s behalf that the Delphine was bringing the Murmur Stone into the Bayou.

And is the only one who knows how to destroy it

[granite shard]

Was it really on finch’s behalf? I know the blame had been pointed at him but it seems like he’s denying it

I got up to the first chary chapter last night btw

Finch and chary are exes I have decided, no one can convince me otherwise

Everything bad chary has done is because he’s really bitter over their breakup

[zealous trench]

guys a quick question about tide of shadows. I just finished watching the hazmat video where it summarizes the Rotjaw lore, it says that the moment the relic is put in the crocodile's mouth, the monster and the ship "teleport" into the Bayou. However, in the story of the event it is written that the ship falls from the sky only when the boss is banished. So I guess there's something I'm missing... can someone enlighten me?

[untold lodge]

I was also reading Rotjaws lore the other day and wondered. Do we know who the white haired woman is that approached Enola?

[zealous trench]

probably Lynch

[granite shard]

yeah likely lynch

that's historically how she's been referred to in other lore

[earnest jungle]

How Rotjaw and the Delphine got into the Land of the Dead is easy to infer but how they got out isn’t clear. My is that a combination of the storm, the rituals the Reptialian performed, the feeding of the Murmur Stone, and the Electromagnetic Cage opened the door between the the lands of the living and the dead.

[rotund ferry]

Pretty sure it was the man in the boat

[zealous trench]

u mean frederick?

[edgy aspen]

I think they were "banishing" Rotjaw by putting the Murmurstone in its mouth.
Charry onky told the Delphine passengers that he had a way for them to get back. He didn't say they'd survive or not leave behind Rotjaw. I think Charry set up the Delphine to travel to the land of the dead to bring back Rotjaw.
Which if true, confuses me as to Charry's intentions. Sometimes it seems like he's trying to stop the corruption, but in doing so, he's adding to it?

[vernal stag]

anybody have all the story chapters yet?

[granite stump]

depression

[lucid quail]

My balls fr fr

[raw gust]

Is this what the thing mentioned in the Springfield Bayonet skin is?

[granite stump]

don't think so?

[raw gust]

the talk about the split pig

And the kid is apparently floating about in a pig carcass

[granite stump]

that's... 6 legendaries down?

[raw gust]

I mean that really isn't so surprising when you consider how long any given hunter lasts in a match

[rotund ferry]

Can someone please tell me how the hell the boss monsters actually move into the compounds they inhabit in the first place

For example, the butcher is far too big to fit through most doors…

[earnest jungle]

The butcher is very greasy and his natural grease acts as a natural lubricant that allows him to squeeze into compounds

[rotund ferry]

Hate the Demented pact

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-falling-breaking-bad-dm4uz3-gif-18078549

[granite stump]

they killed my boi

[rotund ferry]

Yeah fr they killed Poncho lad

[earnest jungle]

There’s a chance he could survive, I mean what ever brought the Delphine into our world forced open the door between the land of the dead and living (ironic that this is the only event where we haven’t had death cheat)

He could survive

And the rat could pull through

IF THE BLSCK COAT COULD COME BACK FROM THE DEAD SO CAN THE KID!

[rotund ferry]

Yeah maybe

But I think we should be prepared for that fact that sometimes people will die and stay dead

[white pasture]

@rotund ferry likely because she is an infected Chary controls. That's his whole shtick, using the means and methods of The Sculptor to defeat evil or whatever. She is a an enhanced infected that he enslaved. Notice how she wears a weird brace/cage and isn't in control of her actions while seemingly I'd aware of what occurs? Rotjaw in a similar arcane cage.

She was Charys attempt at creating enhanced grunt/hunter. She's been warped and tainted and corrupted using shit Chary learned from the Sculptor. It doesn't create it warps...it sculpts and manipulates. Grunts are just by products of its influence. Chary is sculpted, assassin,spider, meat heads. It manipulates and corrupts it doesn't create.

Black Coat was incinerated. You forget what the skin flint does...

I think that's the lore explanation for so many of the same names. He sells identities...

Black coat is dead way before game time line begins.

[real oxide]

Does anyone have any information about what happened to Lynch after she got into the sculptor's dimension (or where she got through the rift)? And also, how do you like the idea that Nola is Lynch? Lynch is initially described as a little girl with long white hair. We know that time moves erratically in the lands of the dead, so it's possible that Nola has found a way to get out of there after all. Although in the future she did not show any affection or desire to find Ratjaw, whereas for Nola it was the closest being

[real dove]

Eh, I don't think Nola is lynch (I still think Gar has Enola stowed away inside her). We had no real showings of Lynch (that I know of) after BATS, unless you count her stuff with creating the Phantom's limbs and making them work magically. I think Lynch is an entity akin to chary- someone steeped in the occult with far more power than your typical person

[edgy aspen]

There is plenty if story of Lynch as a child learning tarrot cards and interacting with her community and I believe it describes her actions through teenage years.

None of it read as occuring in late 1700, early 1800s.

[real dove]

We do? O.o where?

[real oxide]

I guess it also was part of BATS. Or at least it was in weapon book

[real dove]

huh. I'll have to reread, I know there was a part about her having cards and going into a town with a dude wearing a beartrap on his leg but don't recall anything about her being a kid. Hm

[noble scarab]

The bear trap was a different story

[zealous trench]

whats "BATS"?

[noble scarab]

Bad as they seem, the lore dime novels

[zealous trench]

oh okok

yeah she disappeared after that, btw BATS take place before the events right?

[granite shard]

yeah

[real oxide]

yep

[granite shard]

I think the kid has potential relevance going forward in the land of the dead

him getting sucked into the water is clearly going into the land of the dead, and the first chary chapter ||has him dropping finch into a sinkhole in the water to the land of the dead||

[real oxide]

As far as I remember, some people found her little one, and she killed them at the behest of the cards.

[granite shard]

I think that's a thread that will be followed up in with the final tide event

like the death of him is potentially just to show the stakes of what's going now, but it feels like there will be more to it

[real dove]

Huh. Yeah,. theres nothing In bats, but I'm at work and can't go down a rabbit hole rn

I'm hoping his "death" will se him brought back in a new skin akin to the revenant, undead poncho Kid would be cool

[granite shard]

there's another lynch story

I think it's in the winny c lore

[real dove]

chuh, will look for it later

[real oxide]

as I remember, skinned already died. Gar killed him. And black coat got killed by Jos and Fin

[granite shard]

black coat wasn't really killed by jos and fin

bad as they seem is a fictionalized story in universe that we can assume is based off of real events but not everything in there necessarily happened

a safe assumption right now is that he likely did kill the twins' uncle, and they had some sort of a confrontation w him

but he did not die

and that him dying in bad as they seem was a way for Collins (the in-universe author) to spice up the story

[real oxide]

maybe, but in that case, what can you rely on in this story at all? Besides, William Durant has not appeared anywhere else as far as I know

[granite shard]

He’s in the current event lore

With the infernal pact

[real oxide]

oh

[granite shard]

I think you can rely on it as a general sense of who the twins were and who Lynch was, and also generally things leading up to the splintering of the AHA

[real oxide]

you're right

[granite shard]

But the exact details, and who did what actions, are more murky

I’m working on a doc compiling the lore and explaining the source type and how reliable the information is/what has been contradicted elsewhere (and why)

Since a lot of the lore bits are secondary sources or in-universe stories

[real oxide]

You will be my hero

[granite shard]

haha, I posted a link the other day to the WIP of it, let me find it

this is it @real oxide !

[real dove]

be cool if someone could pin it...

[granite shard]

lol maybe when it's finished

[pliant holly]

Would you be willing to give edit-permissions to a moderator regarding this doc?

[granite shard]

yeah!

[pliant holly]

Our lore pins are very old, and an up-to-date doc would be a good pin overall. However, the issue is that we would have no control over the content edited into the doc

[granite shard]

if you want to DM me the email or whatever, I can go add that

[real dove]

smart

[visual finch]

We are still discussing it internally, no promises but i would love to see some more lore update on those pin

[granite shard]

lmao no worries

this is mostly just a project for myself bc I'm a nerd

[visual finch]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-derek-shepherd-we-all-are-patrick-dempsey-gif-25757811

[granite shard]

the focus of the doc is mainly going to be on the ability to trust each source instead of a full lore breakdown, but I'm hoping it will also be helpful for people wanting to find lore on a hunter by hunter basis

since there's no real way of knowing that the phantom lore is tied to the winnie vandal

[real dove]

Yeah, I read that earlier looking for baby Lynch (did not find in Winni C), I knew he was gifted his limb by her but not as a "hey lets stop killing each other kk?" gift lol

[pliant holly]

Amon will be reaching out to you via DM's for Editing. Good job

[granite shard]

of course! hopefully me being Totally Normal About Video Game Lore will be useful 😂

[rotund ferry]

But like actually tho, it’s implied that the bosses roam around the map before finding a compound to make their lair right

[earnest jungle]

Problem is in the Dark in New Orleans trailer we in fact see the aftermath of the twins killing Black Coat after killing their uncle.

[amber harbor]

I was working with some other lore people on a collection a while back, its in pinned comments, a google doc from Var'uun

It contains the transcribed lore all in one place, if it helps

[granite shard]

I think that sort of trailer could be seen as more dubiously canon

[amber harbor]

Although latest additions are missing, they are only what I managed to update

[granite shard]

Plus, they also could have shot him w the crossbow but didn’t verify the kill

[earnest jungle]

I will say I would give my left Kidney for an official timeline or Lore Bible for the Hunt Showdown universe.

[granite shard]

I just think people are really quick to jump on calling it a retcon when it’s more of a situation where the information was provided in a source that wasn’t reliable but that fact didn’t need to be reckoned w until now

[granite shard]

Hell yeah

[earnest jungle]

Yeah but they also made a point of emphasizing that BATS was in fact a very reliable source when the released they introduced custom ammo.

[granite shard]

Did they emphasize it being reliable? I feel like it was actually the opposite

Where the researcher notes were like “ok I found this that confirms that”

So he was able to confirm things but was still looking for actual validity

[earnest jungle]

It’s hard to read this as anything but the devs saying “We see you guys debating the accuracy of BATS, it’s accurate”

[granite shard]

Like, “yes Collins did record generally real events” but it’s still a fictionalized story that he’s searching for real truth

“It is all” tho

[earnest jungle]

Same with this

[granite shard]

Like my stance on BATS is that he is generally laying out overall events that happened w real people (the twins existed, they had a confrontation w the black coat, they got tied in w lynch, she killed huff) but he is still writing a story that he fluffs up

[granite shard]

That to me is the strongest evidence of Collins creating his own stuff. Yes the phantom was a real guy, but how many others weren’t?

[earnest jungle]

The Researcher assuming Collins invented the Phantom only to discover he was wrong and not only was Lynch a real person so was the Phantom is the evidence you provide that Collins accounts is making stuff up.

[granite shard]

imo them putting information out that conflicts w the in-universe fictionalized stories is a good idea because it highlights the fact that those are unreliable sources of information

like part of the interesting part of the way hunt presents lore is how it is not all reliable sources

we have more reliable ones (first person accounts) and then we have things like Collins' works where imo the fun is trying to pull from fictional stories the truths of the world

like using other first person accounts to go "ok yes so the twins did exist and did interact with salter. and we see lynch now in the land of the dead so they likely did something with her. but the black coat is alive so either his death was exaggerated in BATS, or something else happened"

[earnest jungle]

The changes that Collins makes are all largely superficial. The Black Coat being killed when he wasn’t is not a superficial change at least compared to Lynch personally killing Huff instead of having an assassin shoot him discreetly

[granite shard]

because another potential for him is that he did die but with the doors to the land of the dead open rn (bone mason implied to have died and come back in Sofia's first chapter) he's come back

I also don't think him having died in BATS but still being alive is a majorly impactful change

his supposed death has no real impact on the story, it's him killing the twins' uncle that imo has a greater impact on the twins' motivations for joining the hunt

[earnest jungle]

It may not impact the story but it does impact the reliability of his account. Him saying people are dead when they are in fact alive undermines the notion that this is s reliable source of information.

[granite shard]

but it's not a reliable source of information

[earnest jungle]

Except it is

It is a reliable source of information

[granite shard]

the fact that the contemporary researcher has to validate things outside of the story means that the account itself is not wholly reliable

[earnest jungle]

That’s the whole point

[granite shard]

we see the things he validates

we do not see what he does not

if the story is meant to be wholly reliable, what's the point of presenting it as a fictionalized source? there's purposeful decisions that go into that sort of thing

[earnest jungle]

And every major part of the story is validated: the twins encounters of Teche Snake, Lynches Existence, the Death of Huff, the Butcher’s Den, the entirety of the Moon Trilogy.

Just about the only major aspect of the story that is revealed to be fictional is the true deck and even that was originally also meant to be a real thing but was ultimately scrapped during the development progress.

[granite shard]

every major part

We do not know the validity of the finer details

like the fact of the matter is we now have canon lore that conflicts with BATS

[earnest jungle]

Except even some of the finer details are validated: for example the researcher mentions but does not show a picture of one of the twins with reptilian scales covering her body

[granite shard]

which does not invalidate the whole story but it just shows that not everything in there was accurate

which is fine because it's a fictionalized story

[earnest jungle]

I understand it is a fictionalized story but it is a fictionalized story that is s reliable account of the events that transpired. A story taking artistic license does not make it unreliable.

[granite shard]

it does make it unreliable

it's not a first person account

collins is implied to have gotten information from the twins so even then he would know only as much as they knew

if they had assumed the black coat was dead, that's what he would have known

it's a limited view, with creative liberties, it's not the whole story

[earnest jungle]

Considering their version of events includes killing him and despising of his body because he died in their workshop I think it’s pretty reasonable to assume they killed him which raises the question why is he alive again.

[granite shard]

the same answers:

1. unreliable narrators from the twins
2. unreliable narrator from Collins
3. the doors to the land of the dead are open

I feel like we're just going in circles here

we're not going to agree on this

[earnest jungle]

I’m perfectly fine with option number 3 it was in cast the option I suggested all the way back when Black Coat being alive was revealed.

The source of my complaint is the idea that Collins is not a reliable source of information when his unreliability is only ever used by the devs to explain away plot holes created by mechanics they were teasing but ultimately dropped.

[granite shard]

but this would then show that they're moving past that by highlighting unreliability in other areas lol

I think having more solid out of universe documents explaining the lore would be nice

since it is hard to follow with everything being spread across a bunch of sources, both inside and out of game

with accounts of dubious accuracy

[earnest jungle]

I suppose another possibility is the twins did eventually kill Black Coat but Hollins condensed events for narrative purposes.

Much like he condensed Lynch having Huff assassinated by one of her goons into Lynch slitting his throat.

[real dove]

I do think the twins had a run in with Black Coat- their father was murdered by someone, assuming Durant worked for Lynch, she came looking for his killers and met with two deadeyed women and went, "mine now." There is a part in BATS where they rolled both bodies into the fire- i read it again this morning- but without the author being there, how would he know? I side with Smalls on this here- BATS, and all Collin's stuff, is based on a bed of truth. However, there are elements that are not true- the current, biggest one is that Durant is back, alive and well, in ToC.

So with that in mind, I don't mind reading the piece as truth, but I do keep in mind that it is not all true- and thus have to work out what I can rely on, and what was fluffed up.

[topaz plaza]

When will such weapons appear in the game I?

[real dove]

try #game-ideas 🙂

[topaz plaza]

thanks

[rare dirge]

Since I think I gotta talk about it here

Why are they killing of the traitors moon characters?

Last event it was the rat

Now the kid

I haven’t finished the story but I don’t care about spoilers

[granite stump]

neither of them are from traitors moon...

[rare dirge]

The rat and the kid?

[granite stump]

yeah.

they've been in the game forever now

Rat is one of the first DLC releases iirc

[rare dirge]

The rat the kid the turncoat and lleoras heir or whatever

Those are the 4 traitors moon people

[granite stump]

The Kid wasn't in traitors moon

your thinking of the guy who looks like him

[rare dirge]

He was event boosted and was on like the wall papers and stuff for traitors moon also included in the traitors moon like bundle or whatever for buying the game

[granite stump]

from what I recall

that was before characters had relevance to the lore of the event

[rare dirge]

Still

[granite stump]

either way

I doubt there is any significance

otherwise rat would of died a different way

[rare dirge]

The rat and the kid are dead and leoras heir is relevant this event

The turncoat being the only missing one

Can’t just be a coincidence

Out of every hunter they have available why are those 3 relevant and or dead in these events?

[granite stump]

it 100% is

[rare dirge]

If the turncoat is relevant next event I’m gonna say with 100% certainty it’s not

[raw gust]

Turncoat is too cool to not do something at some point

Also he washed down a gulley so I guess that's water relevant for the tide events

[rare dirge]

Yeah idk just odd for 3/4 traitors moon characters to be relevant out of like the 80 something they have in total

[amber harbor]

To be fair werent the moon people basically revolutionaries?

The fight isnt over, they're still fucking around, only fair they find out

[rare dirge]

Well I mean with that theme

Both the rat and the kid are dead and Mr chary is dead

Are they like gonna fight this mf in the land of the dead?

[amber harbor]

Thats what I was thinking

[raw gust]

I think Mr. Chary got better? It's sort of unclear

Or he's just dead and still jerking people around

[rare dirge]

Either way I vote for the kid to come back to life he deserves better

[raw gust]

The Kidvenant

[amber harbor]

They are either active enough in the zone they get killed or they have a plan to get resurrected or fight in the land of the dead

[rare dirge]

I feel like the kid and the rat aren’t finished yet

And I think the turncoat gonna be relevant next event

[raw gust]

Good call honestly

[rare dirge]

Lleoras heir what has she been doing this event anyways? Thought she was mentioned in the stories or something

[granite shard]

The rat I think is finished finished since her soul like dissolved into rain

The kid I think is going to be relevant next event since he was a really random character to suddenly kill off and purposefully mention getting sucked into the water (entering the land of the dead)

Llorona’s heir is working w the infernal pact, she’s mentioned in either the second or third burnt Marshall chapter

[granite shard]

Mr chary was never dead, ochenkov’s widow popped Kevin’s heart like a water balloon before he could finish him off. He was in rough shape in the beginning of the ToS event but cardinal rain healed him

[raw gust]

I'll be honest, I shouldn't be here, because like most hunters, I can't read and am only here to kill things

[rare dirge]

Yeah I’m not very smart on this lore thing 2.3k hours and all I really know is how to shoot

I only care because the kid has been like my main hunter for those hours

Though I have been interested to learn the lore

[rotund ferry]

I like the kid cuz he's more western than most hunters, kill of felis

Off*

[granite shard]

tried linking to hazmat's youtube channel but couldn't lol

but hazmat is a really good resource for hunt lore

[rare dirge]

Just after looking at the past 2 events I’m starting to question why they are using all the traitors moon characters

[granite shard]

I like the kid bc he reminds me of cassidy from overwatch lmao

[rotund ferry]

Is there any place I can find all the lore chapters for this event yet

[raw gust]

I was into the lore way back in the day, but I haven't really cared for the event lore tbh

[granite shard]

tbh I don't really associate them w traitor's moon that much personally since they didn't really hold any narrative relevance there

[granite shard]

not yet, I don't know if anyone's unlocked all of them at this point

[rare dirge]

I started playing in traitors moon I bought the bundle and had the wallpaper as my wallpaper for a while they all were event point boosted for that event so they have some strong ties to that event

And the fact that out of like the 80 or so hunters 3/4 of them are relevant

Somethin is fishy there

[granite shard]

shrug emoji, maybe?

[rare dirge]

All will be revealed next event anyways but my money is on the turncoat becomes relevant next event

[granite shard]

that would be neat, I wasn't expecting sofia to be one of the narrated characters for sure

(but Boy Howdy am I happy abt that)

my assumption is that if we get another current legendary as an event narrator it'll be the kid

I really don't think he's out of the running (this is copium)

[rare dirge]

Also another thing it’s not really lore related but like since Sofia is like relevant this event and like they are doing twitch drops they should like bring back lulu with these cause like

She sofias girlfriend

[rare dirge]

I will huff this copium too

[rotund ferry]

I guess it's whatever pact the writers want to win

If they randomly kill off a bunch of characters I think its safe to say death pact will lose and people will continue to somehow come back

[rare dirge]

I’m cheering for the fire pact

Demented killed the kid and death is doing whatever

(Infernal pact also has like the best perks in game so like)

[rotund ferry]

Infernal won't forgive what Demented did to our boy

[rare dirge]

Amen

[hasty raven]

entry three of the event lore revealed that that is a tongue on the mask, not a pointy chin

I can never see it the same again

[untold blaze]

That’s what I’ve always figured

Also, does anybody have all the Event Lore entries?

Cause I’m away from my Xbox atm and can’t do the event

[white pasture]

It's obviously tongue good thing they spending page space on the essentials.

[rotund ferry]

I always figured it was a tongue

[hasty raven]

everyone was really out here seeing it as a tongue??

I thought it was a chin and he had a big frown

[visual finch]

I can't see the chin in it honestly

[rotund ferry]

Yeah I can't see it

All I see is tongue

[white pasture]

Thatd what mom said

[rotund ferry]

[red spear]

Had to unfocus my eyes like you do for those magic 3D pictures, and yeah I see it now

It's like a Sam the Eagle frown and now I can't unsee it, ty

[untold blaze]

I always thought it was a tongue tbh

[real dove]

Same. He has a chin, no? That's the metal part under the tongue

or that's what I thought

[untold blaze]

It is

It’s what I’ve thought it was for like, a solid few years at least tbh

[granite shard]

yeah

him rasping the dried corn on the tongue of his mask is such a funny little detail I think it's really endearing

like was he doing it bc he liked the noise? idk but I love it

[untold blaze]

I think he’s just crazy and I love him for it

Do you have any like, screenshots of the lore thing he was mentioned in? Cause I’m away from my Xbox and won’t be able to access any Lore for the next few months

[granite shard]

unfortunately I'm at work and won't be home until late today

[real dove]

you don't lick your corn?

[granite shard]

Licking the corn w a wooden tongue

Lmao

[real dove]

maybe it's got Lynch magic like Phantom's arm

dunno why he'd want that actually, dunno what all splatters onto that tongue while Hunting

disregard

[untold blaze]

C’est La Vie My friend

[granite shard]

I think he was just in a silly goofy mood

but also I imagine the noise it made to be very similar to one of those wooden frogs

which like, I would also be doing that

[raw gust]

Did it as a joke and liked the noise so kept doing it.
Relatable

[fresh phoenix]

are there any cool theories about what the current event lore could maybe foreshadow?

somehow i feel like this could culminate in boss reworks

The demented bring in little piggy and little crow as offering for the sculpture

next books gonna be little spidey and little bug as offering

[edgy aspen]

I wonder if little piggy and magpies could be an AI addition to boss fights like wildcard or extra level of difficulty.
The little piggies could be like the leeches for meatheads, magpies could be from Scrapbeak's lore of the birds his son killed and they've also returned?

[rotund ferry]

So what race/ethnicity is Devil's Advocate? I've seen fanart that depicts him as Caucasian and African but I don't know what his in game model actually is

I've always assumed he's European like Germanic or Anglo or something since he's dressed as Krampus and that's a myth originating from Europe

[raw gust]

It would make sense if he was German ancestry because of his name + the whole Krampus thing

[regal trout]

Do the acolytes/deranged canonically hunt? Or is it more of a separate gameplay aspect

It'd be weird for the Butcher and Scrapbeak acolytes to actively hunt the being they're worshipping

[granite shard]

Devil’s advocate appears to be black if you look at his hands

And I believe if the game glitches and shows the base hunter model under his mask it’s a default black male

[jolly field]

Is Scrapbeak a woman?

[timber pine]

In the eerie swamplands of Louisiana, Scrapbeak, a fearsome and unique huntress, was once an ordinary woman with an extraordinary appetite for cheezy greaseburgers. Her love for these savory treats led her to a secluded burger joint deep in the bayou, where an otherworldly encounter transformed her. The very essence of the burgers melded with her, granting her supernatural powers. Scrapbeak, now a spectral guardian, protects her secret stash of cheesy treasures with a ravenous hunger for more. Those who trespass in search of her delicious loot soon discover that she's a formidable adversary and a formidable foodie.

[rotund ferry]

Yeah I thought so at first too but closer inspection at his finger tips reveals more of a black ashy color like from digging through soot or handling coal, similarly to Krampus.

I haven't been able to view under his face mask model so I can't confirm or deny the second claim

Either way he's definitely gotta be of German ancestry

People forget Prussia had a prominent colonial presence in places like Africa and the Pacific Islands so Devil's Advocate could be a Pacific islander too

Big question is, if Devil's advocate is a German-Pacific islander would his favorite dessert be German chocolate cake? 🥥 🍫 🍰

[noble scarab]

If he dies at the right angle his mask kinda seems to bug out and you can see his side profile, it looks very much African American

[noble scarab]

We see the butcher’s cleaver take down the butcher himself in one trailer. They think the bosses aren’t the sculptors best work and are here to replace them or somehow improve them

[earnest jungle]

Not that we know of, the Scrapbeak was a man by the name of Avis Woodham Sr it’s possible he could be trans or non-binary there are NB characters in the game but as far as we can tell Scrapbeak is a man. Assuming the bosses even have a gender.

[earnest jungle]

Chapter Seven kind of implies that the Demented’s pact with the Sculptor is rather one sided.

[noble scarab]

I haven’t seen chapter 7 yet, do you have a screenshot rexli?

[edgy aspen]

Avis Woodman has a son. I think he's straight. But birds XY chromosomes are reversed and are ZW. And Avis is now a birdman, so its all very complicated now. 😉

[lucid quail]

I need some lore on mr chary, is he like the devil? And does he work for the AHA?

Is there scrapbeak lore in this event????

[white pasture]

He's like a cartoon villia

[fresh phoenix]

As far as i understand the scupltor and mr chary are the same person. Probably using his rank in the AHA as disguise to experiment with the bayou magic/plague/evil. While whatever foul thing is sprouting is a real danger in itselfe - Mr.Chary/Sculptor pretends to only do these experiments to combat this evil. As to say fighting Fire with Fire.
While maybe his intentions are true...or once were...he probably succumbed to selfish motives.

His major antagonists and "hero" figures are Kevin Linus whos guided by the moon - something like a rebel figure Mr.Chary brought himselfe up unintentionally. Like the other side of a coin good/evil.

Then we have Elwood Finch the former or true leader of the Louisianna AHA whos probably gone underground AWOL and is still trying to keep loyalists secretly on his site of AHA.

And Philip Huff Jones. Director of the AHA as a whole and also director of the louisiana Asylum. He set in Elwood Finch as the branch director.

[lucid quail]

The lore of this game is whack

[fresh phoenix]

They probably didnt even know themselfes what kinda story they wanna tell and which direction. Or if theres a story needed at all

Most of the stuff before Mr.Chary was mostly little pieces of story decor for the atmo

[untold blaze]

And now their trying to weave it all together and such

Tbh I kinda fuck with it, feels chaotic

[white pasture]

@fresh phoenix naturally you made this all up.

[fresh phoenix]

No i am scholar of the lore

[white pasture]

It makes zero sense conflicts with all known lore etc etc

[fresh phoenix]

[earnest jungle]

Unless there’s been some major revelations in the later chapters of Tide of Murmurs I don’t think Mr Chary is the Sculptor.

[fresh phoenix]

its a theory of mine hes playing a double game infiltrating the AHA

[upbeat kiln]

Hunt: Showdown's very own Revolver Ocelot

[fresh phoenix]

I dont get that reference

[rotund ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/viktorbg-gif-25283495

[fresh phoenix]

Oh is he like the Albert Wesker of another gaming franchise?

[rotund ferry]

Well no not really

but he's best buddies with this guy

[granite shard]

we actually get motivation for chary in his second lore chapter in the event

which is nice

spoilering for an obvious reason

motivation for why he wants the murmerstone, but it speaks to what he's doing irt sculptor

[real dove]

is that... a Dune reference...?

lol

[granite shard]

Lol maybe

I do like the idea that chary isn’t trying to work to benefit the sculptor or work to stop it, just to understand it

[real dove]

After the moons, I thought he was trying to gain control over it's powers... guessing he's given up on that, or at the least wants to know what he's up against better?

[edgy aspen]

I think the Tide of Shadows takes place place before the moon trilogy and just one of many of Charry's plots.
Tide of Corruption seems to happen after the moon trilogy, but onky because of the event description saying, "The bayou is on fire again!"
But that's likely just announcement info, rather than lore.
But, I don't know what the conclusion of the Moon trilogy is for Charry. The last chapter was real hard for me to follow.

[granite shard]

This is after the moon trilogy i think. Kevin had almost killed chary, but ochenkov’s widow popped Kevin’s heart before he could finish chary off

[real dove]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-how-you-doing-lil-momma-let-me-whisper-in-ya-ear-ying-yang-twins-wait-the-whisper-song-gif-17410004

Yeah. I got the feeling from ToS that Chary retreated to the LOTD to recover from Kevin, and had some self reflection time. Not sure what his new angle is- he was trying to twist folks against Finch before, now he has a fascination with the Whisper Rock

[granite shard]

he went somewhere for sure, the wolf family hunted him down and he was in pretty rough shape in ToS

[real dove]

yarp. Which in theory helps set a timeline on things

[granite shard]

from cardinal rain's second chapter

[real dove]

So... why had him healed? or they are the ones that messed him up

both, if i read that right

[granite shard]

I'm assuming bc he said he had information on rotjaw

[real dove]

confusion

ah, maybe

Well they clearly aren't friends

[granite shard]

broken bones I'd assume are from the wolf pack, bloating and stuff from where ever he had been before (land of the dead potentially)

[real dove]

eh, maybe. guessing that doesn't matter as much as him getting healed... and possibly working with the wolves (for the time being)

Odd they were here for Chary's return but not in ToS. Tho we had enough folks. They keep cropping up, I'm positive we'll get a event with them as the main stars

Tide of Fangs

[noble scarab]

Just before that chary got the absolute hell beat out of him by Gar with the railroad hammer, and I’m sure the wolf pack did more to boot

[granite shard]

oh right yeah lmao

good for her

[earnest jungle]

The time line doesn’t line up though. Tide of Shadows has to come after the Moon Trilogy because Rotjaw shows up in the Bayou in July and Chary only rose to prominence after Huff Died according to Traitor’s Moon and Huff died sometime at the end of June.

And as Chapter six indicates the Wolf Pack only found Chary, it was Gar who fucked him while he was hunting Rotjaw in order to reclaim the Murmurstone.

I think Chary wants power and knowledge is power, I’m not sure what his angle with the Moon was but at least according to the Delphine Board-Man there is some kind connection between the Sculptor and the Moon.

[real dove]

My understanding was the sculptor was/is using the moon as a kind of mirror, and the spirit of the moon was fighting to limit the spread of the corruption... and Chary was making things worse with his experiments

[placid girder]

is there any clarification on how women get prengan in bayou? like does it have to be the sex or is it like vigin birth kinda deal?

[real dove]

In terms of normal folks, or Hunters?

[placid girder]

oh i guess normal folks? female hunters have immunity to becoming hives? or is this wrong

[real dove]

Hunters are sterilized now- one got pregnant and her stillborn "child" became the first meathead. As for hives, it's a "virgin" birth, (if you can call having your chest eaten out then cracked open a birth), caused by insects.

[livid crypt]

Wasn't she pregnant before she got innoculated?

[real dove]

not sure off hand

could have been. I mainly know for a fact hunters are sterilized

looking over meathead lore, yes, she was pregnant

[fresh phoenix]

i didnt follow the later half of ToS
what is the murmorstone?

[slow pebble]

I can't tell if that ''personkind'' word usage is meant to be a joke or not

or a reference to that Justin Truduau thing from 2018

[karmic sorrel]

yo Guys i cannot play the Game. Because Game kicked me out 5 times in a ROW!!!! IT IS ANNOYING GUYS!!!

[real dove]

insectile (?) relic of some kind that talks to whomever has it, tells stories of the past n such

[fresh phoenix]

oh that somehow reminds of Der Schläfer/The Sleeper from Gothic I

insectoid demon that whispered to people

[hot thicket]

So are there multiple instances of each of the bosses (Butcher, Spider, Scrapbeak, Assassin, Rotjaw) or does the Sculptor like resurrect/make copies of the originals or are Hunt matches a big time loop with different permutations (hunters, bosses, map, etc) each time it regresses?

Or are Hunt matches just considered non-canon?

[rotund ferry]

I think the gist is hunt matches are supposed to be like "stories" told by the hunter

so it can be middle grounded... can technically be canon or not

[hot thicket]

I ask because another game I play, Dota 2, has every Dota match ever be canon because anytime one of the two diametrically opposed God Rocks (Radiant & Dire) loses the war they just rewind time to before their defeat/death.

[rare dirge]

I do wonder about this too I always assumed there was multiple or maybe that when one boss is banished the sculptor takes them from where they were banished and puts them back

So you are fighting the same scrapbeak

Just they keep getting banished back and then placed back

[rotund ferry]

"insectoid demon that whispers to people"

Mephala you've done it again

[mellow mantle]

Death pact are like three tieflings DnD party introduction

All sit in the dark corner of the tavern

[noble scarab]

The bosses eventually reform

[edgy aspen]

Spider reforms from the grave of bodies it first sprung out of.
Assassin, its stated in the lore that it just keeps returning and reforming.
Scrapbeak likely comes back from a murder of Magpies like when he was first formed.
No idea how the butcher would reform. It was created by a taxadermist.

[frank bobcat]

I thought this was fixed

[frank bobcat]

The sculptor has favourites it makes copies of, we know this from the hive more

A girl mentioning that the hives all look like her mother

[hasty harbor]

I have a lore question. Who is carving the pumpkins

[edgy aspen]

The Gourd pact?

[granite shard]

Every hunter is tasked w bringing a pumpkin to the bayou

And also Lewis is there

[noble scarab]

I think one year it stated they just show up

[edgy aspen]

Probably 2020 but before events were lore related. Like when presents also just appeared everywhere.

[granite shard]

The twitch drop trailer had mama maye and the headsman carving some pumpkins together

So they’re the ones who do it

They spend like a month in advance carving all the pumpkins and making sure the faces are just right

Each time you step on a pumpkin you make the headsman cry

[hasty raven]

Good

Mama Maye makes sense since she's a gardener, right?

[full sail]

It's mentioned in the lore entries for the spider that it was slain once and a trophy from it presented as proof. Then another hunter stated he killed it and presented a fresh trophy. And another and another until it became clear there was more than one of these things. And it also lead to some of the infighting because people wanted what they saw as infinite money and were willing to kill others to get it.

[upbeat kiln]

"Multiple spiders, but never more than one at a time." I'm paraphrasing. Something like that. I don't remember the actual line.

[full sail]

Yeah that

[upbeat kiln]

"There was more than one of this thing. But: never more than one at once, if that makes sense. It was re-forming."

Found it

[lucid quail]

Hunt boss lore is wack. Good reading but wack

[grizzled pilot]

Thats hunt lore in general

[real dove]

Yeah, Sculpty is using his flesh-clay to recreate the bosses and shoving a fragment of the OG being's "soul/Demon" inside. It's why we have multiple copies of monsters and such, and why they all behave the same.

[frozen drift]

So… why is bone mason part of the death pact?

Ik why reaper and Sofia are, and worm bite.

And mama maye

But why her?

[real dove]

She's all about death- found her boy's remains in the paris catacombs, and is trying to put his lost soul in with the others in the catacombs, until she got a letter pointing her to the swamps where she could put other lost souls to rest

so she's pretty perfect for a group all about death and it's purity

the first aid kit with her son's skin is pretty... interesting

[granite shard]

also seems like she has personal beef with the land of the dead rn

the first chapter implies that she died and came back to life bc of the open doors to the land of the dead rn, but she couldn't bring her son back

so she's just like fuck this ):<

[river socket]

Maybe through the death pact she’s looking for a way to bring her son back, holding onto the hope is the only thing keeping her going

[real dove]

Didn't know she'd died. Tracks lol. I love the idea of this lil granny yelling at the grim reaper

How DARE you not let my precious smoochum back into the land of the living but let me! Ma'am, you're wearing your son at your hip as a first aid kit proceeds to smack him around with her purse

[visual finch]

*where the purse is actually an Uppercut

[livid crypt]

AmonDaet sorry for this off-topic but I don't see you in General much, but that pfp is poggers!

[real dove]

her smacking death with an uppercut (not shooting him, just whacking him) is equally amusing

[upbeat kiln]

Seconded. Carmageddon was my childhood 😄

[granite shard]

she makes the argument that no one can prove that it's actually her son, nor that it's made out of human flesh 😂

I think that's my favorite bit of the description for the medkit

[real dove]

I'd think Reapy will know

[granite shard]

it's just such a silly addition

[real dove]

also creepy that she recognizes her son's skin by touch

by she can do her own thing

[granite shard]

she's such a freak (affectionate)

the death pact being four serial killers and a man who just wants to murder death itself is peak

like damn girlies you really have your priorities straight

[real dove]

eh, worm bite is less killer to me, and more tired dad just cleaning up after his kids

[granite shard]

yeah, he's the one who wants to murder death itself 😂

[real dove]

ah. well that makes sense lol, no mess to clean up if you take away the kid's ability to play

[visual finch]

Mother knows best

[hoary flower]

New to the game, is there someplace that I can go to that has the story so far? The tides of corruption is definitely mid story

[granite shard]

The wiki is going to be your best resource, here’s what I’d say are the most important pieces to read to be caught up w what’s happening

Bad As They Seem (in-universe fictionalized telling of events. Gives the background as to why the AHA is a mess rn) — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_As_They_Seem?so=search

Traitor’s Moon story (start of the current ongoing plot thread) — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_in_the_Bayou_Rises_with_the_Moon

Serpent’s Moon story — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Serpent_Moon_Story?so=search

Side story to serpent’s moon — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/A_Serpent’s_Kiss

Devil’s Moon (can be confusing to follow. Instead of a straight story it’s a mix of in-universe fictional stories, post 1985 newspaper clippings, and letters from the hunters involved) — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Devil's_Moon_Story?so=search

Tide of Shadows (first in this new event storyline) — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Tide_of_Shadows_Story?so=search

Rotjaw lore — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Rotjaw?so=search

Some more Devil’s moon side lore bits

Frau perchta and the wolf pack — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Devil's_Moon:_Dusk_Cries_Perchta_while_Dawn_Whispers?so=search

Luz Mala & the concubine — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Devil's_Moon:_La_Luz_Mala_Herald_of_the_Moon?so=search

Skinflint & Devil’s advocate — https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Devil's_Moon:_The_Return_of_The_Skinflint_and_Devil's_Advocate?so=search

[feral quail]

Anyone got a list of the currently dead legendary hunters?

[edgy aspen]

Black Coat, Bad Hand (as Revnant), The Kid, Kevin (moon resurects him).
Mary Ochenkov I think.
Maybe Gar?

[granite shard]

Black coat’s alive

Billy’s potentially dead. the skinned, the rat, the kid, hornback might be dead

The rat seems the deadest of all the dead since her soul was dissipated into rain lol

I think the gar’s still alive but her sitch isn’t super clear

[rotund ferry]

It said Gar was "banished" along with Rotjaw

And as far as I'm concerned since black coat is back I'm assuming any hunter can come back

And the kid

H-he's gonna come back, right?

[cloud canopy]

kid is dead af

[noble scarab]

Maybe next event we’ll get some land of the dead chapters

[granite shard]

Yeah I’m thinking he’s still at play in the land of the dead

Bone mason seems to have died and come back

[rotund ferry]

Wasn't Chary and Lynch is the land of the dead too?

Just not dead

[upbeat kiln]

Yeah. My girl is about take over the world.. Just wait

[rotund ferry]

Doubtful

Whatever Chary has planned it's gotta be good

[edgy aspen]

Land of the dead.....maybe this could be a wildcard mode?
I mean, I reread through the Tide of Shadow chapters and cpuldn't feel or read the atmosphere painted by Hazmat in his video. But I think a land of the dead style map or mode would be fabulous.

[buoyant crystal]

Its impossible to read this without Tourg's voice

[edgy aspen]

Hell yes you read that in my voice! Nobody slams your eardrums in awesome concussive blasts like I do! Now get out their and bring me back a bounty using only big sticks and traps on red barrels!!!!! Beee-wowowwoow-raaaaa-wowwww!

[granite shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B_hQToaLEg

here's all of the ToC lore btw (it's processing bc I had to reupload it bc the original had audio issues lol)

[rotund ferry]

Do you buy the tiers or just finish that quickly?

[primal jolt]

The kid is my boy 😦

I’d hate to see him go like that

[granite shard]

I’ve played A Lot recently

I bought the BP bundle that started you off w bonus levels too

[white pasture]

Lynch isn't human, and it's implied there are many realms. The Twins physically walk into the land of the dead. So it seems like it's very close metaphysically.

Twins supposed trapped Lynch by closing all the portals to that realm. So there has to be many.

And Lynch literally possessed a human fetus and had to grow and mature as a human. That's a lot of effort and many years.

Which also shows shits been going down way longer the Event kicked off.

[regal lintel]

Seems like next event will be Tide of Desolation?

Chary feels much better written in Tides

[white pasture]

Hahaha

Such a badly written character.

Cliche made manifest

Read the whole trilogy one setting...makes zero sense

[rotund ferry]

oh my thank you dearly

I've been checking for this upload every day since I read the first two chapters

[lucid quail]

It's only 80+ bucks

[untold blaze]

It’s only?!?

Dawg I feel bad spending upwards of fifty on groceries

To dump, 80 on a video game, is nuts

[lucid quail]

Ikr

[untold blaze]

Like, holy shit

[lucid quail]

10k bloodbonds fr fr

[untold blaze]

What kinda Rothschild, silver spoon in hand, fortunate son bullshit were they born into?

[lucid quail]

Lol

[untold blaze]

Like spare me some dude, I’ll mop all of your floors, mow your lawn and cook you a damn good dinner for like, 70 bucks

[lucid quail]

Hey $80 is only 9 hours of minimum wage

Federal minimum wage atleast

[untold blaze]

Good point, maybe like, 100 bucks then total

Or, if I’m getting paid hourly and crap on company time I can easily double that

[minor valley]

who is me jary

[manic snow]

What's his story?

Bro became a tree

[upbeat kiln]

We think he is in the process of turning into an armored

[cloud canopy]

is there anybody sane in the bayou???

i'm reading the event lore and none of it make sens

[lucid quail]

Well yeah its a demon zombie apocalypse

[granite shard]

The witch hunter seems to be the most normal person so far

[edgy aspen]

I've been trying to think if who would be equally "sane" as Circe....I kind of can't.
The bartender? No, he's a sadist.
The Archeologist maybe?

[languid notch]

eh redneck is probably the most sane.

[granite shard]

Archeologist for sure

It makes sense that they’re all generally some form of lunatics tho tbh

The most well adjusted person in lore was the one who went to the bayou and immediately hightailed it out of there after meeting the assassin 😂😂😂

[edgy aspen]

The Archeologist; Harold Black.

[noble scarab]

Hardin is sane, just kinda evil

Same thing for the detectives

[languid notch]

how about the sovereigns/north star.

[noble scarab]

I don’t think we’ve heard much about them tbh

[granite shard]

North Star apparently is really vicious

Marshall brewer seems a lot more normal than Hardin

[raw gust]

Redneck is sane, just extremely stupid.
Carcass Gunrunner is sane, he just has a hobby he turned into a hustle

[noble scarab]

Carter is probably sane

[rotund ferry]

Private Eye and Hacksaw jack are federal agents

Mr. Chary literally has the IRS on his side

[frozen drift]

What’s this murmurstone exactly?

[edgy aspen]

Its an ancient relic thing around since pre-egyptian times(?) that some people will hear it whispering things to them. Some have heard it instructing them to build technology ahead of its time.
Finch was having it brought to Louisianna along with weapons when the boat it was on, the Delphine (from Tide of Shadows) was lost into the land of the dead. Charry showed up there and convinced the passengers to capture the giant aligator that was there. The murmurstone whispered to one of the passengers how to build an electric neck collar/cage to attach to Rotjaw. The crew baited Rotjaw with a drunkard thrown overboard, reeled RJ up on the Delphine's paddlewheel and Charry placed the murmurstone inside Rotjaw's mouth. The Delphine returned from the land of the dead and crashed and brought Rotjaw back.
Now some of the hunters/pacts are trying to get a hold of the mumurstone for various reasons.
That's the quick and dirty.

[noble scarab]

Do we know that lynch was trying to bring the stone in? It looked it it was Finch’d doing

[granite shard]

The murmurstone seems to hold a lot of knowledge and has a connection to the sculptor. Chary wanted it to ||create a portal to the land of the dead||

[edgy aspen]

Did I say Lynch? I mean the guy who took over the AHA after Huff.

[granite shard]

Finch and lynch rhyme so I can’t blame you

[quick storm]

what is the lore to this game?

[green pollen]

fuckin uhhhh. Sculpter is big evil guy and decided to fuck up a decent chunk of lousiana. You are a hunter, tasked with killing the monsters that reside in this deadzone. Theres a bunch of lore involving certain people and what not, it goes very deep and is very confusing

[lunar sky]

There’s also a organization called the AHA (America hunters association) that carry out said task. Such as cleansing the bayou of the evil.

But the AHA is also corrupt from within so that’s some of the reasons hunters kill each other. Some other reasons are greed or just plain bloodlust.

There’s other factions such as NOTH (night of the hunter) that have their own motives.

Then legendary hunters are just hunters who have great feats (most of them have some feats) others are kinda shrouded in mystery.

If I’m wrong about what I stated above anyone correct me

[real dove]

Yeah, you're right. There's a ton of lore on the Wiki, Hazmat vids on youtube are also a great way to catch up on the story. But overall, big bad monster Sculptor is corrupting the swamps in Louisiana, the AHA puts on a Hunt for all the monsters appearing, with the Main Bosses being worth the most, AHA gets ripped apart internally as the Leader, Huff, wasn't really trying to find the Sculptor but instead profit off the bounties, and a chick named Lynch had issue with that.

Huff is replaced by Chary, who tries to take over the Sculptor's powers using the Moon, who turned a kid into her champion, he sent out letters for aid and died/got rezzed, but kicked CHary out of the AHA in the process. Elwood Finch replaced him, tho the AHA is kinda in shambles rn

[mint wind]

The crisis is apparently also present elsewhere, like in Japan. But Stillwater and Lawson may be ground 0 of the corruption.

[green pollen]

quick question but i know for game reasons they only have one model for the hellhounds but in the lore would it be randomized? Like with wounds and breeds and what not

[visual finch]

If i remember correctly the original hellhound is one specific hound, so it would make sense to be just one breeds and such

[real dove]

yeah. The metal collars/etc are from the Beast Hunter trying to tame them if i recall... but they are all the same breed due to the copy/paste of the Sculptor

[green pollen]

Ohhh alright

[raw gust]

Man fuck that guy for adding helmets to hounds

[mint wind]

why can't they be pierced

[fluid cliff]

https://medal.tv/games/hunt-showdown/clips/1yV2gCb7BWmRai/d1337ubLK01k?invite=cr-MSxJeUMsODc5NzUwNzAs

[rotund ferry]

It gives you cool weapons if you're mentally insane

[frozen drift]

Demented?

[rotund ferry]

Yeah

I've been plucking loot from the lunatics

[random oriole]

Hey! Question - I was listening to this and the previous events' theme songs and in both they are singing for "16 souls" what is the lore reason for this when the servers only contain up to 12 people?

[open patrol]

What does the sculpter look like?

[full sail]

No one knows. He seems to be analogous to Satan though

[livid crypt]

Nobody knows, no one has met the thing referred to as the Sculptor yet

[full sail]

Considering he is called the Lord of flies

[open patrol]

So hes beelzebub?

[full sail]

Possibly, though it's ambiguous. I'd argue from the lore snippets that the Sculptor is less an entity and more of a personified force of nature

[open patrol]

Oh ok

[full sail]

If anything he, if it is a he, has an insectile bend as a lot of his creations have bug parts

Between the bugs inside the hives, the spider, and almost wasp nest like armor on the armored

[frozen drift]

What about the bosses?

We have butcher with the meathead body and the leeches, spider (obvious), And assassin with its ability to turn into bugs, but what sort of insect related analogy would there be for scrap beak?

[livid crypt]

It's implied that he wasn't originally planned to be turned into something special by the Sculptor. He was turned into what he is by his son seemingly with help from another Hunter who grafted that beak mask on him

[frozen drift]

Sheesh…

Was this the same for rotjaw?

[full sail]

Rotjaw is an alligator that's egg was brought to the land of the dead and possessed by several alligator spirits

It was the forcibly brought to the land of the living by Mr. Chary

[edgy aspen]

And by placing the murmurstone in its mouth.

Years ago, lore discussion about the sculptor was less about a single entity and multiple forms of Loas (from voodoo) all contributing to various weirdness.
I still like to hold onto that idea as there have been multiple corruption events throughout history. Some were delt with, some just faded out(?). But the Louisianna event is the worst one yet apparently.

Which brings up an interesting question: have all previous events been equal in threat, or has the scuptor/source of corruption grown stronger with each event?
Is the strength of corruption tracking with the strength of humanity's progress?
I'm wondering of the possibility of a corruption event happening in the year 2100 where Hunter technology is high end, full auto, digital. Is the corruption threat sources going to be just as equivalent?

[noble scarab]

We know the NY event was just grunts, and before the retcon the Cascades had similar

[granite shard]

One of the chary chapters confirms there’s been a lot throughout history

[lucid quail]

Is it Canon that Devils Advocate can speak to corn?

(It is)

[edgy aspen]

Its also mentioned in the Northstar or Ronin background, that they helped purge a corruption in the far East.

[rotund ferry]

No doubt

and it creeps burnt marshal out

[hasty raven]

When he said the corn was telling him it was full of sleeping fire or something it was just an edgy way of saying it was dry

[lofty quarry]

What is desolation at the end of this events lore? Is the name of a place, or the name of what the murmurstone has become? It's a cool ending to be sure, but it leaves too many unanswered questions.

[lucid quail]

I haven't read that yet, but I would guess its some kind of after life. Or some one got their nuke killstreak

[granite shard]

Meta answer is it’s likely the next event (Tide of Desolation)

In universe answer is it’s what chary is calling the new chapter of fucked by the sculptor the world is abt to be in

(Presumably leading into why the next map might be outside of Louisiana)

[lofty quarry]

Yeah makes sense

[granite shard]

I’m really excited for the next event’s storyline

[rotund ferry]

He also said the corn told him about his mother

or something like that

[restive patrol]

I mean, it still has to be kept on the downlow, considering how the Louisiana Event did not seem to affect the world at large as people seem to still not realize that these things happened nor their attitudes reflect the fact that there are outer world entities (history played out the same as the real world), just laugh it off as fairytales (Winfield M1873 Musket Bayonet), and the fact that there are present day researchers looking at the event from a modern lense, indicating the event was eventually subdued.

[white pasture]

Yeah, he's real subtle

You forget the era.

[rotund ferry]

I keep saying hunt is a precursor to the wildly acclaimed resident evil series

[lucid quail]

No its actually just a really early bubsy 3d prequel

[empty owl]

this is just an environment asset being reused or a cameo by the hunt devs, nothing special

[granite shard]

stuff was subdued for sure, and stuff happening in the rural areas also likely helped it not spread. but basing off of the stuff from Chary's chapters, we're likely to see stuff reaching a fever pitch as stuff has happened in the past. (spoilering the images since the second one is the last few paragraphs of the final lore chapter for the event lol)

[hasty raven]

The Deckhand isn't even the one using the stamina shot skin in the battle pass trailer even though it's said to be his

Smfh

Anyway what's with that weird face seen in the background of some ToC promo art and the ToC soundtrack

[fluid cliff]

but i wish it was special!!!!!!

[amber harbor]

The 100$ is failspawner iirc, the first one to prestige 100

Or fisk, a twitch streamer either way

The other one I have no idea

[fluid cliff]

aww ty

[frozen drift]

Tide of desolation next event?

[granite shard]

yeah prob

that's such an obvious title hint 😂

[frozen drift]

I wouldn’t be surprised

[rotund ferry]

evidently Deckhand has received 3 skins dedicated to him this event

1 is the weak stamina shot from the battlepass and the other 2 are a sparks rifle and a nagant silencer pistol modeled after the sea

I guess he's earned them since he didn't end up like the others during Tide of shadows

[hasty raven]

Oh yeah... you're right

My favorite of all of the involved hunters of last event and I didn't even notice he was absent from the lore

[lofty quarry]

It's weird how they are going all out for specific weapons for hunters now. Even though I like them, I'm surprised Felis uses a LeMatt Carbine

Also, sucks that they didn't put Monroe more in this event. I think his insanity would be welcomed

[hasty raven]

No Monroe event point bonus

[granite shard]

He’s in the lore but not a bonus point hunter

[edgy aspen]

Specific weapons for hunters has been a thing since the first DLCs. Some early BB skins state, "used by...."

[granite shard]

He and cain dump a hive on the infernal pact lol

[noble scarab]

kinda sad monroe ended up just nuts

wouldve like to see him as infernal or something

his story seems a bit more than just "lmao crazy guy go brr"

he was committed to the asylum (probably not willingly or for good reason) then got vivisected and experimented on, but had this will to survive

[edgy aspen]

Of all the Hunters, Monroe has the most demented look about him.

[noble scarab]

i mean cain exists

mans literally looking in 2 different directions at once

[stark aurora]

So, did the new writers just... retcon Sofia being receptive to Lulu's advances? All the previous lore was pretty clear that she wasn't into it, and Lulu was basically a simp following her around.
Kind of ridiculous, if true, given that Sofia is basically a grief-maddened nutjob on an unquenchable quest for revenge. "But hey, let's take a pause to hold hands and walk in the park".

[rotund ferry]

I think at first Sofia's only focus was revenge. She was struck with grief and hatred but she's learning to love people again. She's made new friends with the Death pact and she's warmed up to Lulu

It's realistic for people to move on from a devastating situation or tragic scenario

[rotund ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FRJaVz3OxCc

this video perfectly captures how I feel about the Demented Pact

[granite shard]

the previous lore was pretty clear that sofia was fully into lulu lmfao what

idk how you could read this and not see sofia returning lulu's affection

[neat juniper]

You don't get it, clearly they were just roommates

[granite shard]

just really close friends!

[solar gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929807268994744340/1164149334800093194/IMG_20231018_115928.jpg?ex=6542298e&is=652fb48e&hm=f93bad892e5421d6ca02df9f81ec3bb87a73c1cf52f0664c456cfb4edd807834&

Ok

[slim star]

bro its all but confirmed they did not stop until the swamps stunk

explicitly

[stark aurora]

Oh, okay. So not a retcon. Just really bad writing.

[full sail]

Deckhand was in the little lore notes. He was with Helmsman and tested their regeneration powers by stabbing Rat with a knife

[hasty raven]

oh right

thank you

[full sail]

Tho I don't remember if he got an event bonus

[granite shard]

he did yeah

helmsman/rat/carcass gunrunner/deckhand all got bonuses for the smuggler pact last event

[river socket]

So Billy is dead in the lore? Idk who else is all dead

[noble scarab]

It’s complicated

If you search in the chat a bit we talked about it recently

[rotund ferry]

Bro just say you don't like that they're gay and move on. Don't blame the "bad writing." 😂

[rotund ferry]

If black coat came back so can Billy

And the Kid

R-right? The good lad can make a return yeah?

[granite shard]

I’m holding out hope that the kid will come back

Billy can stay dead for not respecting consent

[river socket]

How did Black Coat come back?

[granite shard]

Didn’t really die, the source stating that he did isn’t fully reliable since it’s an in-universe fictionalized account

Potential 2 is he did die, but came back since the doors to the land of the dead are open

[hasty raven]

My theory is he's half-Grunt like the woman from Skinflint's lore from the first winter event and he wears the huge coat and covers his face to hide all of the lethal wounds he has

And also the Infected

[stark aurora]

Yeah, because it's such an exercise in sterling pencraft to write a character so singularly obsessed with revenge and death... they literally make a pact WITH DEATH... suddenly stopping from the obsessive quest for vengeance to hold hands and skip through a dewy meadow with a WNBA point guard.

I see what you mean, there, Hemingway.

Ask yourself:
You're watching a Punisher film. They don't come much more obsessed with revenge than Frank Castle.
Halfway through the mobster-murdering festivities... his pant legs still sopped with the gore of his own wife and children... he drops his rifle and starts writing a valentine to a cute girl at the soda pop shoppe, asking her to go steady.

That sound like Great American Novel-tier writing to you?

This is DeviantArt fan fic-caliber cringe.

[slim star]

To be fair, what else is she supposed to do at a bond fire specifically set during a rest point?

I mean every lore entry isn’t in the middle of a fight or treacherous moment for a good reason, gives character to the- well, characters

Even Frank Castle had endearing moments throughout all of his stories, between the action we know

Also what did you mean by WNBA point guard?

[noble scarab]

i mean they also bonded by torturing a trump pope stand in

[hasty raven]

trump pope stand in?

[noble scarab]

yea if you read that bit it talks about how the guy they're torturing (i think hes a bishop) has tiny hands and an orange glow or something. can't recall which gun its for

[noble scarab]

its the lemat carbine pages, "small impish hands, unnaturally orange face, sickly blonde hair" yea its pretty on the nose

[rotund ferry]

Bridging on what DaGrog said it's natural for people to bond during specific rest points, people fueled by revenge like Guts had many endearing moments even post-eclipse so comparing Sofia to Frank Castle doesn't really make sense because no matter how ferocious somebody may seem doesn't necessarily mean they can't interact with other characters in a positive way.

[cold yarrow]

Are all the maps set in Louisiana and is Louisiana the only place in the world effected by whatever happened

[rotund ferry]

All the maps are set in the state of Louisiana and no there have been other incidents in other parts of the world

[lucid anvil]

Alright can someone please explain the moon trilogy to me? The moon is sentient? What!? I was unaware of the game at the time of the event, but since the newer ones seem to be building upon it I feel like I should know.

[neat juniper]

I'll start from roughly the beginning
So there is at least one eldritch deity entity thing called sculptor, it's the one responsible for all the zombies and corruption
Mr chary, just a pretty good guy(false(subjective)) who is dark arts enthusiast found another eldritch god, who turned out to be something of a moon herself
Which isn't necessary the moon, but it also isn't not a moon
Unow, the eldritch gods thing

So chary started siphoning power from the moon to fight the sculptor(legally speaking(real reason might be just egoism))

Moon wasn't vibing with it, and just dumped all of its power into boy kevin who was i believe in the middle of being sacrificed by chary

That made kevin immortal, but didn't make him really any good at fighting

So chary stabbed him
Pulled out his liver
Liver turned to snakes
Chary repeated procedure

And so on

Kevin eventually just gets out, finds chary's mercs, mercs are kinda religious, and see that kevin is immortal, with the power of moon on his side

And well, they also find out that chary is not that good of a guy

Fighting ensues

I didn't miss anything, did i, expercts?

Experts*

[lucid anvil]

Huh. I interesting! Thanks @neat juniper !

[mint wind]

That's mainly Serpent Moon, not that much from Devil's moon and i have no idea what happens during Traitor's moon 🤔

Afaik for the Devil's Moon, the AHA finally realized the misdeeds of Chary but it was too late, many hunters were already on his side and experimenting to obtain more power, for example with the Ochenkov Widow. Kevin's goal get the support of some other hunters on their quest to eliminate Chary. And then a bunch of others just don't care and just want their money.

[twin hollow]

Out of all the pacts we’ve seen, Is the Grounded pact supposed to be the “good” pact?

[mint wind]

It's more the "don't care lol" pact.

[languid notch]

think the lunar pact is the good guys

[mint wind]

The moon doesn't seem to be very evil, only Chary's business made it "sick". We're not in any Termina for now.

That said in the Devil's Moon Kevin really pulled out a Sniper from TF2 moment.

[twin hollow]

Yeah I thought they just wanted to stop everything

[mint wind]

Nah they just want money. And for that they stay longer alive.

[real dove]

I always put Grounded as the "AHA" pact- they're just here to get work done, fuck the rest of the hunters.

[mint wind]

Sounds right tbh.

[amber harbor]

You think grounded sits this event out, or is it just a gameplay thing to have 3 pacts at a time?

Or they just disperse into different groups since the threat isnt the same

[real dove]

think it's just an event thing

They had 3 pacts, didnt want to make it spread out too much

I'm sure they will return at some point, or we'll see their traits released into the wild

[languid notch]

well one of the grounded pacts traits is staying as a world spawn

[real dove]

oh yeah, forgot about that. so yeah, may not see it's return- I kinda figure any hunter not involved in swamp shenanigans is just out there hunting like normal

and thus, imo, "grounded"

[languid notch]

well they might change the traits.

[real dove]

true. shall see 🙂

[languid notch]

demented pact basicly is the grounded pact without shadow

[real dove]

Eh, They're their own thing tho. I don't go off the traits in terms of that, grounded was the pact just out there to do the job

demented has it's own goals

[languid notch]

yeah i know though i really they could've replaced acolyte with shadow think that would've make more sense. but then its just the grounded pact but with different people

[granite shard]

Grounded I’d say is more “the bayou” pact than the aha pact

I think initially the infernal pact was a mix of AHA loyalists and people who supported chary’s black magic

[granite shard]

it's the ironside, but yea lmao. another important thing to note is by doing this they also seduce a nun

[real dove]

I put the first grounded in as Finch's AHA, while chary had the infernal AHA

[granite shard]

maybe? based on what we saw from grounded stuff in the devil's moon they really didn't seem to give a shit about the conflict at all

the archeologist was primarily angry bc the infernal and lunar pacts were literally destroying the bayou lol

[real dove]

Yeah. I could very well have read stuff wrong or translated it badly, but I've seen finch as more the hey we need all hands on deck to kill shit , chary has/had his own shit going on. The letter from finch we got not long ago seemed like a breaking point tho, dude is like AHA is done for here, I need help getting these goblins together, and maybe he's now going the way of chary in trying to stop the shenanigans

[granite shard]

finch I think is interesting bc he seems to have almost like stepped back from the AHA a bit after bringing chary into the fold

[real dove]

he seemed like he prefered to be second in command

to Huff, then to Chary

[granite shard]

yeah, plus he was also just like after his own plans too

[real dove]

He ran the "cabin", the hang out for the hunters

so seemed like he was more down to earth than the others

[granite shard]

he and chary both were ultimately really selfish people and that led first to finch's demise, and now chary seems like he's abt to face the consequences of his actions lol

[real dove]

but hard to tell now what he's got going on

true

idk. Finch clearly isn't a good guy- i still wanna know his story- but he also never gave me evil vibes like chary or self centered vibes like Huff

[granite shard]

He was the one originally after the murmurstone which I think is interesting

[real dove]

but maybe it;s just that I want there to be a dude who's just watching everything he made fall appart and being helpless to fix it

yeah. I suspect that letter was his breaking point, and he;s slipping into the madness

[granite shard]

I think you could put the researcher into that spot

[real dove]

shall see tho

[granite shard]

I think the AHA is just so systematically broken that the upper brass were all corrupt to some extent

[real dove]

true, but he's been kinda background player now

[mint wind]

Was the murmurstone on the Delphine btw ? That'd be why it went into another plane of existence and tracked down by Rotjaw.

[granite shard]

yeah, the delphine was sent to the land of the dead to pick up the murmurstone and presumably other objects like it

[mint wind]

T'wasn't the original plan for the passengers tho XD

[granite shard]

yeah I think just the captain was in on the plan

apparently they had to murder a WHOLE bunch of people to get to the land of the dead too

[mint wind]

I forgor what was the Helmsman role.

[upbeat kiln]

He turned into furniture

[hasty raven]

What's the lore behind Morrigan/Midian surviving a point black shotgun blast and barely flinching

[granite shard]

being hot makes you more durable

[hasty raven]

What

[granite shard]

they're hot, and being hot makes you stronger and more durable

obviously 😂

[frozen drift]

That looks more to be a drilling regular shot

It definitely didn’t look like a romero or a rival

[edgy aspen]

The murmurstone was already on the Delphine. Unless someone put it in the ark style box in the bowels of the Delphine after they got there.

[noble scarab]

they dodge the first shot then i think the next one is an arm shot at worse

[rotund ferry]

How do you even know what they look like?!

[frozen drift]

Was the butcher’s cleaver one of the passengers on the Delphine?

[silver cargo]

in the trailer? looks like a shoulder shot

[random lava]

the lore is it is a Drilling not a shotgun and the second shot hit the shoulder and the first shot he dodged 🙂

[silver cargo]

doesn't the counterpart rub the other's shoulder precisely to go "Oh damn you've been hit here"

[random lava]

pretty much yeah

[frozen drift]

What the hell does jellico mean…?

Nvm… nvm.

Found it, face on a wreckage of wood on the Delphine.

So… just… to recap, Sofia was the one who destroyed the murmurstone, with the vial of silver drenched in Elwood finch’s blood?

[granite shard]

The mask is what’s important 😂😂😂

[river socket]

Then he caresses her beak and whispers the word of Opium Bird, who they and Scrapbeak secretly worship

[alpine finch]

Opium bird cult

[granite stump]

how interesting

[frozen drift]

What exactly did cain join the demented?

[unkempt stirrup]

New captain boss and event titled tide of desolation

[cobalt lagoon]

Why are the?

[earnest jungle]

I JUST REALIZED

TIDE OF MURMURS TAKES PLACE AT THE END OF NOVEMBER!

WE DID IT WE ESCAPED THE TIME LOOP

The Summer of 1895 has finally ended

It also looks like everyone in the Infernal Pact is dead

Black Coat, Devil’s Advocate, Private Eye, and Hacksaw Jack.

[granite shard]

I want to make a higurashi joke but that might be too niche

And yeah I think the next tide event (tide of desolation probs) will bring us to 1896

[earnest jungle]

December 31st 1895 at the very least

[noble scarab]

If we escape 1895 I’ll start the next event by prestiging and only running melee weapons the first half of the pass

[white pasture]

Rat play and the weapon doesn't even matter

Go in with a knife/stam/regen

Necro/resilience/serpent/magpie

Sit and wait

[frozen drift]

This… isn’t exactly the place for that

[earnest jungle]

Hey I’ve never won a 1v1 against someone with a bat so that’s a viable load out as far as I’m concerned

[white pasture]

@real dove because the lore drastically changed from the point of AHA supposed being dissolved (makes no sense whose paying for bounties) and now. Chary is absurd written so badly and so contradictory to the setting anything involving him I just ignore. Yeah sacrificing implied 100's of Hunters. Kevin equally absurd. Entire trilogy without a point or conclusion.

Comparing the writing for Lynch to Chary shows just how far the lore has fallen.

Lynch also a inhuman monster but written within the bounds of the setting. Chary....

[white pasture]

Lynch, amoral/evil but staunch foe of The Sculptor (whatever that is) active in society and training and bringing up many of the lore and legendary characters. Not human.

Can still be killed by mundane weapons. Occult knowledge and dealings with the AHA explained somewhat.

Chary, the devil written as if by a 12 year old. Ridiculous, monologs, demonstrates power that contrasts with the entire setting. Appears from nowhere, leads the AHA somehow, motives again a child's interpretation of moral "for the greater good". Schemes and plans that are incoherent, narrative in the events again nonsensical.

[amber harbor]

Wasnt serpent moon lore a novvel?

[silver cargo]

anyone have the Krag Sniper and Krag Bayonet journal entries at hand?

they are missing from the f*ndom wiki

[full sail]

i dunno, i find chary a compelling villain too. the serpent in the garden type is a nice refrain from corrupt people at the top

[granite shard]

The current event has also done a lot to flesh him out and show more motivation for him as well

I think he’s a really fun villain rn

[fading matrix]

Where does most of this lore come from? I was so confused in devil's moon by all the random lore entities jumping from newspaper to song to book excerpt etc

[rotund ferry]

I have, a Caldwell Conversion slug to the dome tends to make them inert.

[edgy aspen]

Paying for bounties not making sense? I mean, the Assassin trying to gather intel and inside information on high level politicians and financers makes perfect sense that bounties are being paid by politicians and powerful people syphoning money from public funds or from favored donors. If the game was a solo PvE campaign or 4 player co-op, you could keep the lore tighter. But for an ongoing, live service multi-player PvP with dozens of hunters, and a ststic timeline, keeping the lore tight becomes more challenging.
Moving the timeline forward is an option, but then new technology and balance becomes an issue.

[silver cargo]

we do know for a fact people like hardin get "donations" under the form of fancy hardware

[edgy aspen]

The AHA did. I thought there was lore that describes "rich private donors and politicians in privledged positions direct the majority of money the a Hunter's administrator to disperse."

[granite shard]

Iirc a large part as to why chary became as influential as fast as he did was he was rich

[red spear]

Yes, the Serpent Moon lore is part of the Lunae Diaboli periodical written by Simon Moore. Traitor's Moon lore is also part of that book

[red spear]

The best way to approach the lore is as a researcher or historian piecing together found documents. So imagine it as a researcher finding the pieces related to the Devil's Moon event and rearranging them to make a coherent timeline (or as coherent as it can be).

I'm still a little shook that the lore team didn't jump on the fact that there was a full moon December 31st 1895 and make the month of December when Devil's Moon takes place. It would have given BATS plenty of breathing room within the summer of 1895 and then the following events of the Tide series could occur in 1896.

Also, we're following a trend of having seen Grounded pact make a reappearance in Tide of Shadows, now Infernal in Tide of Corruption, so I'm highkey hoping for the return of Lunar in Tide of Desolation (if that's the name)

[frozen drift]

Just curious, if anyone can answer, lord wise what happens to hunters when we retire them? Not including legendary hunters that is.

[unkempt stirrup]

@silver cargo i support

The pax buntline

[granite shard]

I’d love to see a return of the lunar pact

[fading matrix]

Yeah but i mean there's definitely more being said than what's there and I'm wondering where else people are pulling this info from

Like where is this time loop mentioned?

[red spear]

The time loop is a running joke/ire of the lore fiends in here (myself included). It's not a canonical thing. It stems from the fact that a lot of documents have contradictory dates and that up until now most of the events within Hunt happens in like a 6 month (tops) span of time in 1895. The story's progression just feels very unrealistic that certain events were happening at the same time or were so smooshed together, and some people (like Chary) rose to power so quickly with no previous mentions.

[lost sable]

wait there's a time loop? what?

is that why legendary hunters dont die?

[earnest jungle]

No I was being derisive, there isn’t a time loop, but the story has been stuck in the summer of 1895 for so long it’s become maddening

For the past four years every major story in the game has taken place either in the Summer of 1895 or the months and years leading up to the Summer of 1895z

What finally broke me was Tide of Shadows some how simultaneously taking place before, after, and during the Moon Trilogy.

So I thank the Devs for explicitly setting Tide of Corruption at the end of November.

[fading matrix]

How so? I know it takes place after cause of Chary coming back from the land of the dead with rotjaw (if i understood the lore right)

[earnest jungle]

Because Rotjaw showed up in July of 1895 and Traitor’s Moon has to take place after June of 1895 because Chary could not become the Director until after June of 1895 because his predecessor was killed at the end of June.

So either the entire Moon Trilogy take place in the space of two or three weeks, or Tide of Shadows must take place contemporaneously with the Moon Trilogy.

But the wolf pack is reunited and the pacts are treated as an established phenomenon meaning the story must take place after Devil’s Moon

[full sail]

It's implied that they either get out of the bayou or end up at the asylum the AHA runs to prevent word of the outbreak from getting out.

[frozen drift]

Well I’d hope the asylum is well fitted

[full sail]

Kinda? It seems nicer than a regular asylum of the era but it's definitely prisonlike

[lost sable]

how the hell does that work

i just want a mcgowan legendary skin for them

i feel like the one that had the whole serpent moon thing and the kinda transformation she had would make for a really cool skin

[fading matrix]

Prevent word? But people come to see it. Like the envoy has the description of studying the bayou for help in defeating the corruption back home

[full sail]

Well the American Hunters Association is merely one arm of an organization that's implied to have existed for centuries if not millennia in some form or another. The Envoy is potentially a member of a similar organization and would therefore not be subject to the same cover up as say some random guy from Missouri

[mint wind]

Now I have questions about Lynch : just read the Pax lore, it appears she's a woman ? And she's one of the first people to harness the ability to get poisonous stuff ?

[neat juniper]

Well uhh
Lynch might be in fact a woman, but not a human one
Kinda like sculptor but yet another entity, if i remember lore correctly

She did give hunter serum to other hunters(or at least improved it)

[mint wind]

Alr alr.

When do we hear about hear after that again?

Except when we learn she might be the one who offered a Specter to Collins.

[neat juniper]

There's some lore in either weapon catalogue or mob catalogue about that

I think it was machete exp one

[mint wind]

Hmm.

Last I remember is how the Bunny mosin is a reference to one of the first Hellhounds.

[edgy aspen]

Is Charry the AHA administrator during the Moon trilogy?

[noble scarab]

Yea

[unkempt stirrup]

So they copied the formula? If not hows the steady flow of hunters explained?

[neat juniper]

They sure did

[fading matrix]

Oh you're right. Dang i love this channel already

[fading matrix]

well that is a way to interpret it, i think it implies bunny died fighting hellhounds. cause she comes back looking like she fought other dogs

[neat juniper]

Nono, i'm pretty sure it is quite literally a reference to maker's dead dog bunny, who may or may not have died fighting hellhounds

And maybe also became one afterwards

..which i guess agrees with your point

...why did i say nono

[frozen drift]

It said the first instance of a hell hound, so maybe they were the first to become one

[granite shard]

I think the hellhound lore implies bunny was the first one yeah

[granite stump]

I hate this

It hurts my brain

[earnest jungle]

Like I said that's what broke me

but it doesn't matter,

we have escaped the time knot that is the Summer of 1895

[granite shard]

If they just pushed bats to 1894 and the moon trilogy to like Jan 1895 it would be fine

[strong oyster]

probably been answered here already previously but can anyone explain who the character finch is been seeing him pop up more and more in the storyline for the event and was wondering if anyone had anything to add on?

[edgy aspen]

Finch took over as AHA administrator for a short time after Lynch assissinated Huff. Finch pretty much abandoned the post by not really managing the Lousisana chapter and was off running around doing what he thought would help the AHA but essentially left it in a power vacuum.

[strong oyster]

ah I see much appreciated

[granite shard]

He’s also the one who brought chary into the org

And potentially was one of the people who murdered the prodigal daughter’s mom

[mint wind]

That and the little quote after seem to recap all the main characters in HS story.

[edgy aspen]

Could the two trilogy events that we're seeing be overlapping in a manner.
Such as, Devil's moon happened, then Tide of Corruption happens at the same time (based on the Bayou being on fire)?
Traitor's Moon, Serpent Moon, Tide of Shadows, Devil's Moon, Tide of Corruption? Or Shadows-Traitor-Serpent-Devil-Corruption?

[mint wind]

What happens during Traitor's moon ?

[granite shard]

I don't think it's possible for ToC to happen at the same time as DM

shadows has to have happened after devil's moon, but it's possible for it to have been within a month or so of each other

the wildfires in the bayou were two different means too-- in DM it was a mix of the infernal pact and the lunar pact lighting the fires, in ToC the demented pact started them

[brisk elm]

Guys how everything started in the Hunt universe ?

[languid notch]

the big bang.

jokes aside it all started with the Louisiana Event you can check it out here
https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Louisiana_Event

[slow pebble]

Pretty sure they retconned this

[brisk elm]

Thanks mate

[real dove]

Basically, there's a big bad creature/entity/being that is corrupting the swamps of Louisiana. There are other instances of either the same being or something similar throughout history. The being in this instance is very bug-focused, as most of the creatures/AI are in some part buggy. This being doesn't really "create" in the sense of making new AI/enemies, but rather copy pastes one version it seems to like, shoving a tiny fragment of the original enemy's soul/demon inside so they act the same as the OG one did.

Louisiana event has been more or less retconned, they've changed some of the stuff since that came out

[earnest jungle]

Finch was also working with Huff on some kind of secret project related to immortality or something.