lore-discussion

[steel ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/with-all-my-heart-dikhan-ruthless-s1e20-with-all-my-soul-gif-25019060

[rotund ferry]

Anything that wasn't infected and survived was killed too

I think the Aligators have some potential

[rotund ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-fuck-you-middle-finger-middle-finger-gif-15294280

[steel ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/sanford-fred-heart-attack-nervous-gif-24657978

[rotund ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-defibrillator-paddles-charlie-sheen-heart-attack-snl-gif-25676890

[steel ravine]

Hunt showdown lore

So how did the hunters develop guns from ww2

But no machine guns

Like stationary we talking maxim

https://tenor.com/view/gatling-gun-young-guns-pew-pew-pew-big-gun-revolving-gif-22405466

Even a Gatling gun

[tired spear]

ww2 guns?

what

[steel ravine]

The mosin

[tired spear]

mosin is the m1891 y'know

not the 91/30

[steel ravine]

Fair

[tired spear]

it's the full-size infantry mosin without all the improvements

[steel ravine]

But even then hunt has some real advanced ass guns for the time

[restive patrol]

they mention a maxim in the avtomat lore entries (prob just game balance shenanigans)

[tired spear]

i mean, yes and no

[steel ravine]

And hunt literally made a frag grenade

[tired spear]

the avto and the dolch are the two "truly" out of period weapons in the game

[steel ravine]

And the colt 1911

[tired spear]

frag grenades have existed for a while

there's no 1911 in the game thank god

[steel ravine]

Ok what year is hunt even

Like 1896

[tired spear]

1895

[steel ravine]

THEY CHEATER

[tired spear]

dolch is the C96

[steel ravine]

THEY FOUND THE MOSIN RECIPE

one year early

Nah it’s not even the guns though

Just how do they produce so many

Cause assuming they produce enough to arm a literal army of hunters

[tired spear]

ah, the mosin was produced in the millions

[steel ravine]

Plus unique ammo

[tired spear]

same goes for the Lebel

[steel ravine]

But to export those

Wait ig this is after the Industrial Age

[tired spear]

3 million infantry lebels were produced between 1886 and 1888

yup it is

[steel ravine]

And ok the infection is contained to only lousina

Louisana

[tired spear]

it's the most affected zone

[verbal rock]

again, it's the M1891

as in 1891

[steel ravine]

Cool opinion but ragtime cowboy joe

[verbal rock]

fair enough

[silver cargo]

victor caldwell has something to do with that

as for how they source weapons, some manufacturers are complicit ( the chain pistol being a good example ) others seem to be smuggled in and field modified

[cold wind]

carcass gunrunner, he is mostly respobsible for exporting the guns of hunt, inside of the dead

[lunar sky]

Hey chat is this lore accurate

[rotund ferry]

I mean it could be yeah

I feel like this fits more for Mary and Chary though

The devil being Mr. Chary, the sweet roll being the seemingly empty promise that Mr. Chary can bring back her beloved husband Petr so long as she pledges service to Chary and obviously the kid eating the sweet roll being Mrs. Ochenkov herself

I say "seemingly" empty promise of bringing back Petr because for all we know he could be telling the truth but Mr. Chary is known to be a pathological liar and have a manipulative disposition towards friends and foes alike

If Perchta and grounded hunters can come back to life, if the Moon can resurrect Kevin and if the Sculptor can reanimate the dead then whose to really say that Chary can't bring Petr back?

But I doubt it'll be the same Petr Ochenkov knew and loved

There's always a hidden angle and Mr. Chary reeks of hidden angles and one-sided deals

I'm gonna use a single gif to describe Mr. Chary

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-25532101

[rotund ferry]

Yeah true

Mr. Chary got the biggest balls too probably

[woeful dew]

What I wouldn’t give to get the plague doctor skin 😣

[rotund ferry]

It seems like that's the skin everyone wants to come back

personally I think past events should make a return since Devil's moon brought in a lot of new players

[white pasture]

I think if you didn't kill 1000000 birds a day for a month you shouldn't get the skin

Sculptor doesn't reanimated the dead. Grunts are merely by product of its "infection" which it then copies.

None of the monsters appear to be created by the Sculptor. More that the area is flooded with energy from another dimension with portals. Which leads to many abominations being creates. Which the Sculptor copies.

Chary, Lynch if not the same being are other extradimensional beings. But many others are active there.

[lavish mist]

my brother in christ we know this

[edgy aspen]

Is John Wesley Hardin (Dead) killed by John Selman related to Sherif Hardin?

[noble scarab]

not that we know of

[timber cobalt]

a friend of mine has said ghouls will be added to the road map soon

[loud steeple]

What does that even mean. I keep seeing the word ghoul in this channel and it makes no sense. Is it not just another word for zombie/grunt

[red spear]

I think the difference is the folklore of ghouls makes them out to be smarter and more demon-like than mindless shamblers like Grunts

They're also more associated with cemeteries, so I could see it being a compound specific AI that maybe roams the graves of Blanchett or First Testimonial

[rotund ferry]

Ghouls, zombies, grunts they all return to the ground one way or another

[wheat bobcat]

"""" And the servers were never seen again """" - Hunt Showdowns

[hollow void]

can we talk about deep scumge lore here @valid portal

[timid marlin]

hes a reddit mod man not a discord mod

wrong occupation

[valid portal]

i have no power here

i am smol

[ionic smelt]

I have arrived

[valid portal]

and not like other girls

[ionic smelt]

So the lore....hmmmm

[hallow gyro]

grab the reddit guys

reddit guys know all scumge lore

[meager pivot]

Can we post gifs here?

[stiff basin]

Remember in the lore when Mr. Chary put a slowmode on the town billboard cause to many people were posting on there.

[runic flint]

I remember the hunters burning the town because he put slowmode on the billboard

[fickle mantle]

hey guys

[rotund ferry]

@round bluff

#lore-discussion

[round bluff]

Ops, you're right! What's the official lore of scumge?

[vague badger]

This is for the discussion of lore within Hunt Showdown.

[round bluff]

Alright, you caught me trying to be funny! Damn you and your sexy red nickname.

[tight torrent]

Wait so do we know any story for the Deckhand, Frank Glib? I was reading his description and im not quite understanding it. Is he like a liar and a murderer? Or what is he and what is his story?

[red spear]

Sadly the recruit synopsis is all we've got on him. Which is a shame because he's one of my favorite Legendary hunters

[tight torrent]

Dang. Not even a matching legendary weapon to go with him or anything as well? Just the skin? That is a shame

[red spear]

Fingers crossed Crytek incorporates him into future event storylines like they did with the Night Seer and Bone Doctor

[tight torrent]

I agree that would be nice. Im pretty new to the game but he was the legendary that caught my eye that I think ima try and buy.

[real dove]

Pretty sure we are all hoping for a bit mroe lore on nearly all the hunters. I really enjoyed the Felis/Reptilian/Hardin stuff they added, be cool to get a bit more stuff like that to expand upon the hunters we already have... or, as I've said before, get new skins for said hunters (akin to the Viper/Frau Pertcha/Revenant) that also expanded upon the lore of the legendaries. shall see tho

[gleaming pawn]

@main quail

[hasty raven]

Is it wearing a gator trap

[rotund ferry]

Watch at 0.25x speed and it looks like it's head is surrounded by twisted rebar

[real dove]

wonder if it's akin to the dog with helmets, if some of them have gator trap parts on their bodies. Do we know if we are getting gator enemies like water devils or only the gator boss?

[mellow mantle]

Boss

[real dove]

Ah, sad, I was hoping we'd get gators as reg enemies to a degree too.

Thanks 🙂

[tidal lion]

some lore nerd correct me but since when does scrapbeak have such big ass eggs loitering in his lair, ain't no way I never noticed these before

this must be an aligator egg !! 🎊

the hoarder weirdo

[red spear]

There have always been large crow eggs in the Scrapbeak compounds. Now the real question is when are they going to hatch into baby Scrapbeaks? 👀

[tidal lion]

nice attempt at gaslighting we all know scrapbeak is a dude

[red spear]

Who said he isn't like a daddy penguin taking care of his babyys?

[granite stump]

Been around since he came out boss

[granite shard]

he laid those eggs himself

[upbeat kiln]

Do I dare ask for an anatomical illustration?

[granite shard]

I hope you understand that by asking a question like this to someone like me, you will end up getting a fully rendered scientific illustration of how scrapbeak manages to lay eggs

I love nothing more than creating cursed content 😂😂

[red spear]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-kermit-darth-kermit-gif-25450285

[tidal lion]

theres a hunt dev in pain somewhere

birds steal eggs, k? and hes a huge hoarder... k???

[hasty raven]

But how are they that big, and with a crow egg pattern

I'm sorry, but Scrapbeak is a momma

[tidal storm]

Scrapbeak is a dude

[rancid trail]

Scrapbeak is an old fart

[tidal storm]

Scrapbeak is a lot of things

[rancid trail]

And most likely a furry pre transformation

[opaque glade]

Avian

[rotund ferry]

I wish this was true

[tidal storm]

How long has this conversation been going on for

[rotund ferry]

Since the beginning of time

[red spear]

The community needs to come to a consensus on the anatomical configuration and parenting behaviors of Scrapbeak first

So to answer your question, not long enough

[rancid trail]

Well

[red spear]

This is #lore-discussion we're allowed to be weird here

[rancid trail]

Considering he pissed his kid off to the point of murder

Not great at parenting

[tidal storm]

Bird simp

That’s scrapbeak

[granite shard]

Scrapbeak laying eggs would, quite frankly, be less weird than 95% of the stuff that happens in the bayou

[tidal storm]

You know what

That’s fair

[rancid trail]

True

Meatheads are weird as fuck

[tidal storm]

We’re just gonna not go into meathead lore

Because that is a shithole

[hasty raven]

What's wrong with meathead lore

Is it just gross or is it not good canonicity-wise

[rotund ferry]

A lot of the lore in this game is intentionally "edgy" or "gross"

like the hive lore is some of the darkest

basically forced abortion

when I read hives are pregnant women I physically recoiled in my chair

makes me feel a little bad for them but only a little because they're also the most annoying enemy in the game imo

[hasty raven]

They are?

Must have missed that part

[rotund ferry]

yeah the hive is the child

or was the child I should say

[cunning pollen]

I don't remember them ever really being a fetus though

I thought it was more a hive

Hehe

That just grew inside since some wasps in real life already lay eggs in living creatures like caterpillars

[granite stump]

Hives are aborted fetuses and unborn babies turn into meatheads and kill their mothers.

Or something like that

It's why all the hives wear maternal hospital gowns and shit

[rancid trail]

Meatheads are what happens when pregnant women take the dark sight syringe

they get super strength until the baby turns into a meathead and blows em up

[loud steeple]

with most of the stuff there was only one original case

And then the sculptor recreated it

By moulding grunts

[rancid trail]

ye

[hasty raven]

yeah I knew all of that

thanks though

[earnest jungle]

The first Hive was a woman who recently lost a pregnancy and following the um… “eruption” of the Hive’s Hive out her chest her daughter failed a pregnancy test and had a similar hive removed from her uterus by the Doctors of the AHA

[tender aspen]

They are especially when you’re in a panic and runnin from other hunters while carrying a bounty

[tender aspen]

Wasn’t scrap beak operated on by the plague doctor legendary hunter. To the point of surgical obsession so he went insane and just did his little silly goofy mood now

Bc he lost his legs

And now has prosthetics

[lavish mist]

nah he drank that yoinky sploinky juice one too many times

happens to the best of us

[tender aspen]

Ah imagine being brought in on tomfoolery chargers bc of the yoinkity sploinkity juicy juice

He’s just cranky and needs a nap a quick little sleeb he eepy

In all seriousness scrap beaks lore (besides the spider even tho I hate fighting that thing so much) is my favorite and I love how he came to be

[lavish mist]

love me spider

I hope you catch a lemat slug to the balls

[tender aspen]

No I just don’t like spiders in general it’s not a bad boss it’s lore and design are my favorite besides scrappy beaky boy but I have a somewhat mild fear of spiders. And the way it scuttles almost makes me wish I took a lemat slug to the balls based gun honestly

[white pasture]

@loud steeple Grunts are just those infected by the influence of the sculptor. He makes copies don't believe any lore supports grunts as the base material.

Beakie was altered human but it's implied he had supernatural elemenf already (connection with crows).

Assassin could appear human and predates the Louisiana incident and could/can leave the zone and was sentient.

Hunters also are supernatural who practice magic and most traits represent abilities granted by other supernatural beings (The Twins, snake spirit etc). Legendary weapons having occult symbols, ability to resurrect the dead, regenerate and use energy from portals and banish.

But the vaccine and or exposure to zone caused them to physically decay physically and spiritually.

In my head cannon legendary hunters succeed in a quick match and became immune. Or have additional supernatural protection.

Process of creating vaccine (at least one made by Lynch.

[red spear]

They're hatching. Gods save us all

[hasty raven]

As The Crows Fly part 2 let's go

[tender aspen]

Scrap beak flying enemies 👀

That would be cool

[prisma lion]

please developers lower the fog to the same percentage level as the night, it's bad for the eyes, it hurts. Yesterday I had 8 out of 10 games with fog.

[tired spear]

never noticed that, good find

[ocean turtle]

just getting into Hunt Showdown lore,wth happened in the bayou?

[rocky bloom]

check pinned, plenty to read.

[proud sable]

HazmatFTW has a playlist on YouTube where he also goes through the entire story

But to give you an answer here Circa 1890-1895 a strange illness grips the Louisiana Bayou. Those living in the Bayou start to experience a corruption if you will. It isn’t understood how the corruption spreads but it is know once infected Stage 1 included fever, tremors, and weakness. Stage 2 would be anxiety, paranoia, nightmares, and vivid hallucinations. Prone to extreme anger, violent outbursts, and homicidal ideation. Victims also described feeling the need to eat raw meat and feeling hungry no matter how much they ate.

The 3rd stage caused blackouts where the victim would and could be out for hours or maybe days where they would murder and possibly eat parts of their victims as they were known to wake up with the taste of blood in their mouths. Blood that wasn’t theirs.

Shortly there after they would pass from what would mimic natural causes. Depending on where you were in the Bayou the longer it took for the corruption to kill you. Some took months but those who lived further in the bayou it took hours.

[real dove]

The whole thing stems from a being known as the Sculptor. There have been a few documented cases of such a being, but the one in Louisiana is behind the plague. Basically, they're creating copies of the different monsters that have appeared in the swamps- mutating them out of grunts. The Bosses are also copies, but with the soul/part of the soul of the OG boss in them. We do have a hunter, "the Infected" who went through Initiation in order to turn into a grunt himself. There's so much more though, I suggest HazmatFTW as suggested, or look through the pinned lore. Sadly there isn't really a timeline posted anywhere that I've found.

[zealous trench]

guys where can i find more about the Infected lore? (if it exists)

[real dove]

Fairly sure the only lore we really have on him is his blurb... he dropped with the most recent twitch stuff, so would rifle around in stuff dropped with him for lore. :/

[ocean turtle]

thanks for all the info ill start reading it

[rotund ferry]

God decided to shit in humanity's cereal once again,

[mellow mantle]

Don't bring God into this

Voodoo aliens are making lousiana their home

And apparently their only form of entertainment is watching hunters kill each other over bounty

[narrow silo]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[next summit]

That's what I get for partying too hard in the Sculptor's name at a Thrice concert - big time wrong server lol

[mellow mantle]

🙄

Do I want to know what I missed?

[next summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-beetle-hercules-fight-gif-8070806

[burnt zinc]

哈哈

哈哈

[mint flicker]

What’s the lore behind the Witch Hunter? Seems like her family got killed for no reason and now she’s out for revenge?

[upbeat kiln]

Her family specialized in witch hunting. When she left for Louisiana, the witches took over Salem, killed her entire family and skinned her sister. She is waiting in Louisiana for the witch to show up again, wearing her sister's skin, so she can banish it back to hell.

[mint flicker]

huh

[mint flicker]

So witches are quite real in Hunt. Also - Witch boss confirmed?

On whose side was the Witch Hunter during recent events?

Was she even on anybodies?

[upbeat kiln]

She followed the False Saint. Kevin Linus.

[mint flicker]

Why is he false, though? Wasnt he chosen by the Moon?

(i wasnt able to read any of the lore bits of the last event - didnt have time to play)

[real dove]

I want to say it's because he's not exactly a good guy either. Also adds a little ominousness to him- that he's not all that he seems.

[mint flicker]

So, another question - what is this entity that he was chosen by? This “Moon” - what is it?

In relations to the Sculptor

[real dove]

The moon is another spirit. Chary was attempting to take over the sculptor's powers using spells and voodoo shit to corrupt her, and she choose Kevin as her champion to fight back against chary. The Sculptor also uses the moon as a kind of mirror, reflecting their power off it to- she fights back and has limited the sculptor's effect to just Louisiana. At least as far as I understand the lore.

The lore from the last event is up on the wiki as well

[rotund ferry]

By chance could anyone tell me about lone wolf? If thats his name i forgot

[tidal storm]

Leonel frisk if I remember correctly

Mostly he tried to kill his father than ran to the bayou, and his father came to the bayou to hunt him

[rotund ferry]

Tragic story really and we don't really know why Leonel tried to kill his father

Leonel's Pax description and his character description basically tell us that he has this "insatiable bloodlust" and also that he attempted the "ultimate act if betrayal."

That ultimate act of betrayal bit just being a fancy way of saying he tried to commit familial murder

I don't think it's stated anywhere if Leonel tried to kill his mother either because in her character description it says that she went with her husband to the Bayou to hunt their son but not to kill him but to seek closure as to why Leonel attempted familicide in the first place

Essentially Dire wolf and Luna wolf are presumably just as clueless about Leonel's actions as the player is

Maybe instead of making new characters with equally vague and unexplainable story and lore Crytek should give us context and expand on the stories that we already have

Like somewhere in between all this Frau Perchta fits into the Frisk family story but I've only seen bits and pieces of that side of the story and have no clue how or why Frau Perchta is included in it

Speculation and theorizing about a game's story is always fun and a great example of that is the Fromsoft game formula where you explore the world and read item descriptions to get the full picture

[tidal storm]

Perchta fits into interesting places

She’s always present, but not really there if you know what i mean

[rotund ferry]

I feel like Crytek tries to do something similar with it's own in-game descriptions but just misses that mark

[green robin]

I’m exploring the lore of hunt through hazmat’s YouTube videos, I may be forgetting the name perchta. Are they mentioned often?

[tidal storm]

She’s important in a vague sense

She’s mentioned in both serpent’s and devils moon’s stories

[zealous trench]

from what I understood he tried to kill him because he wants to become the "Alpha" of the family, Leonel always had an insatiable bloodlust and he act like the wolves he hunted with his family

so yeah, he's not a mentally stable person

[real dove]

Nobody here is lol

[rotund ferry]

Hail Mary seems pretty reasonable

Prodigal daughter is just out for revenge and Sgt. Bridgewater is just a soldier

[red spear]

Researcher seems pretty level headed. He's just there for...research

[rotund ferry]

Never trust a journalist

[zealous trench]

naaah he is good, he fought the assassin

or at least, he tried

[lunar sky]

Assassin

🔛🔝

[rotund ferry]

I never actually realize how good the lore is, thanks for telling me abt him. Ive always wondered what these characters stories were and why they were here

Could anyone explain what the bayou is and why its like this?

[cunning pollen]

There's this entity called A sculptor that spread a plague into the bayou

I think the specific area we play the game in is called the deadlands

But it seems the sculptors influence reaches as far as New Orleans

There was also a minor event that seems to have been contained for the time being in the New York area

The Louisiana branch of hunter is just super inefficient or something

Except for people like sherriff Hardin who for a time held the tide and Marshall Brewer who was able to push it back for a short time

But it seems that for some reason the areas that the Marshall reclaimed fell again

[timber flame]

Hunt

[cunning pollen]

Anyone feel free to comment on this I don't remember much else currently

[timber flame]

Huntin is Huntin

[upbeat kiln]

Hey fellow hunters. I remember seeing a trailer where Carter was shooting mollies out of the air. Does anyone remember which trailer that was?

[cunning pollen]

It was the one with the spirited legendary hunter

I think it showed the revenant coming back for his pistol at the end

[upbeat kiln]

I found it! 😄

[cunning pollen]

Ah swig of fortune was its name I forgot

[upbeat kiln]

Yes! Thank you!

[cunning pollen]

And thank you for making such entertaining videos for my drive to work

[upbeat kiln]

My pleasure. Thank you for watching 😄

[slender gate]

How does one actually get into hunt lore? I can't find it in-game. Library just talks about the bosses and guns

[silver cargo]

Descriptions for bosses and guns has a lot of insight on many things

as you unlock weapon and bestiary mastery entries you'll get to read a lot more things

[slender gate]

Imo I'd rather smthn more like a book that tells a story than snippets. An audiobook would be dope

[rotund ferry]

The storytelling is similar to that in a fromsoft title, you're meant to piece together a cohesive narrative from the bits and pieces you're given

it's to help draw you into the setting as if you're just another person experiencing this supernatural plague

you have the book from Harold Black and the Gun Book which gives you short interviews held by AHA members, documents from government buildings such as prisons and diary entries from people involved with Lousiana.

Harold Black's book is the most cohesive of the two books, so i'd start there and read the entries. You have to unlock them yourself by playing or, alternatively, you could just look up the pages online.

@slender gate

Other than that, there's a youtuber who makes solid videos where he stitches together the lore in an attempt to make it one clear story https://www.youtube.com/@HazmatFTW

[slender gate]

What's an AHA member? Is knowledge of American history required? Cause I've none of that

[rotund ferry]

The AHA (American Hunters Association) is a very loosely operational semi-secret society of hunters who specialize in killing the supernatural

they've existed for a few hundred years iirc

[tired spear]

i think this document has everything you need https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit?usp=sharing

iirc it's still updated

[rotund ferry]

Oh well there you go lol

perfect

[tired spear]

it's all the lore that we've got including obviously the monstrorum and the book of weapons, but also letters and bits and pieces of stuff ingame

i'm halfway done with reading it myself and so far it's been pretty insightful about what's going on in the bayou

i'm hoping the weapon entries will make it even clearer

[rotund ferry]

The formatting could be a bit better but this is solid

[tired spear]

yea

[rotund ferry]

i'm writing some short stories for fan-written videos i'd like to make so this is perfect

[tired spear]

noice

can't wait to see them

[rotund ferry]

I have the first one written down already as a draft but idk if there is like a fanfic oriented place to share it in

[finite zodiac]

So i came across the short story for the Traitor moon. Does anyone know what the last line imply?“Detective, would they betray me?"

[red spear]

The way I've interpreted it is that her husband isn't the only one who has tried to save the moon in such a way, but that she frames it more as a love affair rather than an abduction. She was cool about her husband's relationship with the moon, but may feel cheated on by him "leaving" and questions if the moon has done this with other people.

[finite zodiac]

but if that's the case, then why would she say "would THEY betray ME" ?

[red spear]

If I were in an open relationship with my husband I'd want to know I can trust both him and his other partner not to do something nefarious. So the wife may have invested trust in the moon not to do anything just as much as her husband. But, that's just my interpretation

[finite zodiac]

i see. I was interpreting it as her being possessed by the moon herself, and the whole story was her trying to frame it as a third person, but let it slip in the end

[rotund ferry]

Does anyone know about the sculptor and where the plauge cane from?

[mellow mantle]

No

Seems like not even writers decided on it

I do like new narrator video, though

[broken shoal]

Have anyone stitched the Frisk family story together? I know that Leonel kills Remus, Remus and his wife were to be visited by Perchta but that's about all that I could getter from reading the legendary hunter descriptions and the legendary weapons as well ( And one single event update talking about Perchta )

[noble scarab]

it was an attempted murder, leonel didnt actually manage to kill his father

[cinder mortar]

hello!

i want to know the lore before playing !

where can i read it/know it?

[red spear]

This is a nicely condensed document of the base lore: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit

Unfortunately there's no one good cohesive place to read all of the lore. The fandom wiki is lacking more recent lore, there's stories and documents peppered into a lot of the promotional material on social media and Hunt's official site. The link above and whatever pinned links that still work are a good start

[broken shoal]

:0 really? The descriptions i've read made it look like Leo succeeded in murking his father, insteresting. Do you remember where you've read that Remus made it?

[noble scarab]

They clarified it in his bio I think

Yea, it’s in lonely howls store bio

[main quail]

@gleaming pawn

[high stone]

I’m hoping the guy they mentioned “bringing something back” from the underworld in the new RotJaw trailer isn’t Chary…

[rotund ferry]

It's probably the Sculptor or Chary yeah

Someone made the theory that Rotjaw is the reptilian and Ward was trained to replace reptilian so that he could go and do experiments with Chary

This isn't a crazy theory either since Chary experimented on other hunters like Kevin and Mary

Chary le pathological troll gets into your head and fills it with blissful thoughts of returning dead loved ones back to living... for a price...

And sometimes that price might turn you into a massive man eating reptile

Also

Rotjaw has a cage on him

[high stone]

Everything in the lore is so irrational and loosely connected now its like a fever dream

[rotund ferry]

Mary has a cage on her

Coincidence?

I think not.

Chary has cage-like influence!!!

Chary is Johnny cage from Mortal kombat!

It all makes sense

We're getting rain in hunt during this event too

Rain is a character in mortal kombat

Mortal kombat is connected to Hunt confirmed

[high stone]

Yeah…i saw the cage…there are a lot of zombies with “Slave Cages” around their heads, like someone had them captive as living people and was experimenting in them, or placed the cages there to study them safely

[rotund ferry]

Yeah but jokes aside

The cage means something

We know for a fact that Chary worked on Mary in Kingsnake mine and now we've got an Ochenkov paranormal wolverine

So I'm thinking the theory that Rotjaw is reptilian is more concrete than people think

[high stone]

This is wild, dreamlike stuff…hard to relate to the stories when they become less and less grounded

[rotund ferry]

Reptilian has apparently committed a grave sin and that sin is possibly referring to killing skinned's father so maybe Reptilian wanted some kind of redemption which doesn't really sound like reptilian but regardless that "promise of redemption" is definitely the kind of scheme that Chary would cook up for someone

[high stone]

Nothing has rules, it’s all just “facts” in a sequence that have an official Crytek stamp

It’s like looking at jumbled software code…but it’s “story”

Im still confused why they chose to use the name “Kevin” - German slang for “idiot”.

[rotund ferry]

Kevin is a common name in the United States, the game's setting is in Louisana, a State in the United States

[high stone]

I know, I also looked up the popularity of that name in the 1870s-1890s…it’s not common

[rotund ferry]

Crytek is based out of Germany but not all the devs are German and Hunt is a multi-cultural themed game

[high stone]

Yeah…its suspicious

[rotund ferry]

Well Kevin Linus certainly isn't a common boy either maybe his parents named him special

[high stone]

You’re definitely allowed to rationalize it any way you want…im not talking about an In Game/Story reason, im talking about the Dev choice to use the name

Seems like the first choice would have been an era-appropriate name, so “Kevin” is a little conspicuous

[cunning pollen]

I don't think the Reptilian would seek redemption like that

It looks from the newer descriptions off of some of the legendaries that The Skinned was hunting The Reptilian before Rotjaw appeared

Then again I may have just read names wrong

[real dove]

Rotjaw is female, according to the post, so unless they are doing some genderbending, dont think it's him.

Hopefully they flush some of her story out so we see how the whole reptilian crew fit into everything

[high stone]

I think Rotjaw might have an electric attack…seems like the cage has some capacitors or something on it, and you can see she’s emitting electricity in the trailer… wondering if she can shock you in the water and attack you, so you have to destroy the cage to effectively attack her up close

Maybe they’re adding a new type of damage to the game!

It would be GREAT to have another use for the generators besides as a noise machine

I bet she’ll be struck by lightning during the rainstorm, too

Maybe thats what makes her electric while fighting, or being close to an active generator

Fun ideas, even if it feels like its getting further and further away from the original Hunt 2017 vision!

[real dove]

true, I thought the same thing when i saw the electricity... electric gator! Be cool to have a "paralysis" effect. May just act akin to the flash bombs but with damage or set you on fire tho... But if that's how she survived the water devils, im cool with it

[noble scarab]

if we go back to the older lore with BATS the twins actually go into the land of the dead as well

several times

[high stone]

This would be a great additional use for a flash bomb too, to stun water devils in an area, when thrown into water.

[zealous trench]

btw the Scrapbreak changes bayou monsters, so he may have been the one who added the iron parts on Rotjaw

[high stone]

Does he? I thought he was worked on by someone else

[noble scarab]

he doesn't

scrapbeak lost a lot of limbs, then the sculptor somehow attached or created his mask which fused to hinm

the only thing scrapbeak does in the bayou is scream and steal materials

[cunning pollen]

Are the deadlands and land of the dead different ?

I see mentions of both through the lore but I don't really understand the difference

[zealous trench]

wait im pretty sure that he modify some of the creatures on the bayou, maybe i dont remember well

like the concertina armored

[noble scarab]

Nope

There’s not been a mention of how the concertina armored came to be, aside from it probably tanking a concertina bomb

If something gets modified in the bayou it’s either a person or the sculptor, usually the sculptor borrowing a design

[zealous trench]

ah okok

mb

[noble scarab]

Before he was scrapbeak, the guy did fix broken metal stuff, maybe that’s what you read?

[zealous trench]

yeah its possible

he was the guy who fought the civil war of america right?

[earnest jungle]

Yeah Scrapbeak was one of the Confederate Defenders of Fort Carmick. Lost his legs during the war.

He was hailed as a hero for his loyalty to the Confederate Cause but his som implied that his father was at best a neglectful husband and father and at worst violently abused his wife and son.

[zealous trench]

oh yeah, im gonna read the lore

[fickle nexus]

how do actually choke bombs work? What is inside? Do we know that? Is it plausible irl? Every chemical that prevents breathing I know of is also very flammable. It almost seems like the choke bomb is emitting vacuum lol.

[hasty raven]

Well any gas can technically prevent breathing by just not being oxygen

The idea is that it's a cloud of gas that's just not oxygen, I'm pretty sure

Realistically it would be blown away pretty instantly and Idk if it's possible to have some thick gas like that be compressed into a little choke bomb like that

[noble scarab]

mans killed his own brother, killed his wife, as she was giving birth, and presumably was going to kill his own kids

[zinc depot]

wind is not canon in the hunt universe

[noble scarab]

this is the 1890s, it probably has airborne asbestos mixed in with maybe c02 gas

[upbeat kiln]

Wind actually wasn't invented until 1916

[junior totem]

Did the butcher kill its maker?

[hasty raven]

yes

[tired spear]

i mean the Skinned is also called Killian, which really isn't a common name in the States either at that time

At this point I just think it's safe to assume that names aren't equivalent in Hunt's world and ours

[red spear]

I'd actually want to argue that Kevin may have been an acceptable choice? There were many Irish immigrants to the US shortly before he was born, and the name Kevin and other variations of it were common in Ireland

If we want to nit pick his name, the surname Linus is a bit odd

[zealous trench]

we know the name of the skinned father?

[red spear]

Frank Gravel

[white pasture]

The combat magician?

Choke would have to just be a burning stick not an explosive field

@noble scarab naw there are many forces at work In the zone "sculptor" just the big dog

@hasty raven " air is mostly nitrogen"

[hasty raven]

uh huh

[white pasture]

@high stone prison and mental hospital most of the cages are from

[hasty raven]

there's oxygen in it

[white pasture]

Like 26%?

29%

[signal stratus]

I have a very important lore question... What animal is Billy Story's coat based on?

[signal stratus]

I mean it's very obvious he skinned a tiger or something

but tigers arent that floofy

[earnest jungle]

Bear

Most likely a grizzly bear

[hasty raven]

what were the legendary rewards of the scaled ward questline again? I forgot then besides the Monongahela bruisers and the Scaled Ward

[tidal storm]

Scotfield precision skin and and berthier skin

[hasty raven]

Ferryman's Oar and what?

[silver cargo]

Something whirlwind or tornado of anger

Genuinely forgot

[noble scarab]

Was it maelstrom?

[hasty raven]

It was Somber Gale

Just remembered

The wiki page of legendary skins isn't updated with scaled ward questline stuff

[cunning pollen]

It may be a dumb question but do hunter have a minor form of pyromancy

Lookin at some animations for like the firebomb and stuff

[slim hatch]

Old fuses and matches especially matches were very combustible i’m talking lighting them against shoe if you want. That’s why in some older films you see people light them behind ear. Nothing more but historical inspiration

You can read up on friction matches to get an idea.

[cunning pollen]

Thats pretty neat thanks

[devout mortar]

why Kevin Linus is False Saint?

He is a ture Saint in my opion

[ripe inlet]

We dont know what is moon actually. High chance it has something with it. Like Kevin's wound healed by snakes and etc. We had some snakes in old lore but they were certainly not friendly to our world.

[noble scarab]

I mean the Teche snake was fighting against the Sculptor by helping the twins, thou it did eat one

[rotund ferry]

So is Teche wraith chill with the other native American hunters?

or are they rivaled tribes?

[noble scarab]

his family remained in the bayuo whereas the others were forced out, so they may have a bit of a grudge against him, but also theyre all fighting against the same thing

[red spear]

It could be because he can't die and you can only be declared a saint if you're dead (at least within Catholicism). It also could be that his and the Lunar Pact's means to killing Chary and ending the corruption are causing just as much harm as good.

[mellow mantle]

What's this fork for?

Is it used for alligator hunting?

[noble scarab]

It looks like it’s related to trap setting, or potentially some kind of hunting. It kind of resembles a frog gig or a trident. Maybe @icy brook or @earnest jungle might have a better idea

[icy brook]

It’s a harpoon for spearing fish

[hearty aspen]

That's a type of fishing spear called a leister.

[earnest jungle]

Yeah it’s a fishing spear

[hasty raven]

It's clearly a platypus bill

[tall vigil]

Whaddaya reckon Hunters do when not out on the hunt? Those armored boats and wagons gotta go somewhere at the end of the match.
Do they got an HQ to go to? I know What’s His Name had the asylum, I think, and Chary’s got something somewhere.
What about staff? Cooks, doctors, quartermasters, mechanics—what sorta network do the Hunters have to get their supplies and weapons?

[cunning pollen]

Most people in the game mention Trevor's as a deal broker

It's also the south in America so plenty of guns

I think the avtomat was also produced in part by the night of the hunter and assembled by a gunsmith named Yuri

[red spear]

I would've imagined while the AHA was still holding itself together that they had some sort of HQ. I like to imagine with the addition of the pacts that there are underground operations for all of those roles. Maybe somewhat how Mafia families would function within the same city.

[cunning pollen]

There's also personal accounts of hunters where they just live their lives

Like with a wife and child on the way

Although it never really goes great for the family

[real dove]

Didn't they have a place called 'the cabin" run by Elwood Finch? Coulda sworn I'd read something somewhere about it. Gonna have to go reread everything

[icy brook]

Most probably just cash out their contracts and return to their drifting

[red spear]

Most, yeah, but the more organized groups like Lunar pact or Night of the Hunter must have some sort of network for more basic needs (food, medicine, etc). I like the idea of certain neighborhoods and businesses within New Orleans or the surrounding areas being more willing to help out certain groups or causes and how that may create tensions outside of the dead zones.

Like you know which business is affiliated with which groups if they say 'may her light keep you' or mark parts of their property with symbols you see on the Night Acolyte or Night Seer's clothes. idk just a fun thought experiment.

[tall vigil]

It’s nice to know our Hunters have somewhere to return to after trudging through the Bayou. A community; much like this server!

[noble scarab]

Finch does run a basic AHA HQ, where they can buy/trade/gather and turn in bounties

A kind of vaguely neutral zone as well

[frank bobcat]

Eating beans

[mellow mantle]

[frank bobcat]

Plague doctor does mostly unhelpful surgery on people, and gives excellent nutritional advice.

[tall vigil]

Nutritional advice?? Like what?

[frank bobcat]

Gets people eating veg, fish and sources of soluble fibre.

Grilled leaves etc. Just, don't talk to him about your migraines.

He'll talk you into trepanning quick.

[frank bobcat]

To be clear, Cain doesn't go "off the hunt"

[tall vigil]

I imagine the dirty man wearing little more than a dozen skulls might have trouble fitting in with polite society.

[red spear]

He most likely was a proponent for something like the Poison Squad before the real Poison Squad existed, but more out of curiosity rather than bringing awareness to the masses about dangerous food preservation practices

@tall vigil he'd be the trash panda lurking in the alleyways scavenging for scraps of food

[tall vigil]

He’s the kinda person you see rifling through dumpsters, make piercing eye contact with, and then cross to the other side of the street at a light jog.

[lavish coyote]

Any1 know anything abt black coat

[tall vigil]

Well he’s a snazzy dresser, for one. It’s important to look your best in the Bayou.

[clever thistle]

is this actually canon or headcanon?

[frank bobcat]

Head canon, but it makes sense

[lavish coyote]

Well i wanna know his backstory

[cunning pollen]

He's a criminal who ran a big ol gang

Other characters whenever they mention him call him a murderous scumbag

[tidal storm]

He’s also the father to fin and jos

[cunning pollen]

Oh and dead I forgot about that

[hasty raven]

I 'theorize' (speculate based on little and dubious evidence) that he is half-grunt like that one hunter in the Skinflint's backstory written for the first winter event, which is how he is the only playable hunter who canonically died and why he wears the black coat and bandana, to mask the injuries

The hunter from Skinflint's backstory was 'killed' by a shot to the neck but didn't die due to being half-grunty and hides the neck wound that won't heal with clothes, which is what I believe Black Coat is doing

That's why he's the only legendary hunter that has canonically been 'killed', it was only crossbow bolts to the torso which he could have survived assuming he truly is half-grunt

May also explain his the way he is

Oh wait Kevin canonically died too but he was resurrected so Black Coat is still the only one who is supposedly dead that's playable

[cunning pollen]

I would agree but think about the hunter Bad hand

He and the revenant are one and the same but they are both playable

Also if I remember Billy story may also be dead

But it could be some other Billy that got his throat slit in the scottfield mastery

[hasty raven]

I say black coat is the only playable hunter canonically dead with full confidence despite not knowing that for sure

[hasty raven]

I forgot about this

[red spear]

I'm pretty certain it's the same Billy since they introduced him close to the same time as Lulu

Though I can't remember the exact dates when both skins dropped, but I'm fairly certain it's Billy Story that Lulu talks about in the Scottfield entries

[zealous token]

Ain’t the gunslinger Carter dead too? Blown up by The Spirited while playing a game with the man?

[cunning pollen]

Maybe

But he seems to be having some kinda interview in the centennial mastery

But that very well could have happened before

[empty owl]

no, don’t think carter died during the spirited trailer

[lavish coyote]

Thank you @hasty raven does anyone have any info on these new hunters or you could say hunter, her name is perchta and i was wondering where she came from and if perchta dawn and dusk are two different people. I was also wondering that if they were the same person are they split personalities or is it two different bacsktorys?

[real dove]

Perchta dawn and dusk are the same person- according to luna wolf one aspect will bring death the other will bring the wolf family back together. She likes to decorate trees with organs. she punished bad doers. Based off the german monster/witch.

Her DLC has a bunch of info, as does some of the lore drops from the last event we had

Some stuff on the Wiki too.

Regards of Harold Black kinda talks about her some, while Devil's Moon: Dusk Cries while Dawn Whispers is where Luna is talking about her

I'm really hoping that if/when we finally get a werewolf boss (come on Crytek!) they will further explain her part and bring the wolf family's story to a close. Doubt it will be until winter time since she's a winter hunter

[lavish coyote]

What exactly is this wolf family? The only wolf based characters i know is the frisk family

[real dove]

that's them, i just call them the wolf family cause they are all something -Wolf

sorry, should have been clearer

[real dove]

OH we are getting a new tool for papa Frisk, looking like they're adding to that story woot!

[zealous trench]

guys can someone post a screenshot of vandal striker lore (the 2nd letter of Gus)? in the hunt wiki there is an error that show the 1st letter instead of the second one

[lavish coyote]

So perchta is part of the wolf family or is perchta just supposed to bring lonely howl back to the frisks

If thats what you mean by bring them back together

[tidal storm]

Perchta’s purpose is to be the equalizer, punishing those who’ve done horrible things and helping those who are innocent

[mellow mantle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit#heading=h.av2xx36dgra7

Here's all the lore, including 2nd Vandal page

[lavish coyote]

Ohhh, so how does her outfits work? I don’t understand how dusk and dawn do two different things if they are the same person

Like does she change at certain times or what?

[tidal storm]

Dusk is the punisher and dawn is the helper

And also they’re not actually based off time of day, but rather her mood

[lavish coyote]

I get the whole gist of the outfits now, but i dont really get the changing part. Does she have the second outfit on her st all times or does she just choose at the start of the day

[tidal storm]

I don’t think it’s ever explained

[lavish coyote]

Thats what i thought, thank you for the info

Wait one more topic, do you know much about the black coat?

I know the twins are his daughters and the twins “killed him” but i never got to the part of him being alive

Somebody told me that the coat covers the crossbow bolt wounds while the bandana covers scars on his face

[mellow mantle]

Nah, he's most likely just dead

And his skin is just remnant from early Hunt

He is getting named weapon next patch though

[lavish coyote]

What type of weapon do you know?

[tidal storm]

It’s a chain pistol skin

[past tulip]

Fellas, go to the in-game legendary weapon store and search for the skin "Patre". Look at the imagery on the stock. Forgive me, but.. you know what I'm getting at. Does that hand gesture mean something else? Can't unsee it.

[cunning pollen]

I know what you're talkin about brother

But I think it's just a pagan blessing fingers

Like priests do when they do that cross motion

[red spear]

@past tulip The gun doesn't do a very good job conveying it, but it's supposed to be the IC XC blessing used in Eastern Catholicism. A lot of art depicts Jesus using this gesture. But yeah... looks a lot more like another, less wholesome, hand sign

[real dove]

lol I always wondered

thanks for letting us know @red spear

[misty sigil]

I need to get back to Perchta for a second. Do we have any hard evidence that she is in fact a single person? I always thought she was more of an entity or a collective

[granite shard]

there's no like, hard evidence, but the implication through everything has been that she's one person

[misty sigil]

I always thought she was more of a folks tale and there are people out there who don the mantle

[granite shard]

I think in the context of hunt we can safely assume that the hunter frau perchta is a single person

[red spear]

Np!

[mellow mantle]

Winchester 1873 is hailed as the gun that won the west and is very widespread

But what about centenniel? Who actually used it?

[rotund ferry]

Soldiers

Mainly it was used by pretty much anyone and everyone in the west, land owners, expansionists, natives, soldiers, mountain men and hunters

[rotund ferry]

According to Wikipedia it's reputation was gained by being a reliable hunting rifle in the west

[torn elbow]

is the newly announced dlc sneak peak at a second travelling boss like gator? (black/dark hellhound)

[rotund ferry]

It's a possibility, they did confirm that we are expected to recieve 3 of these wandering targets

I'm hypothesizing that one of the wandering targets will be a harpy or mothman like creature that flies from tree to tree and another will be some kind of burrowing animal that pops up from the ground in a field or pathway

So basically the other two bosses will be duck hunt and whack-a-mole mechanics

[mellow mantle]

I really like the new DLC hunter

No bullshit just a cool looking hunter

Though my friend said he hates how this new hunter wears his hat on a hood

But it's okay to wear hats on hoods, right?

[zealous trench]

yeah like eminem

i think is a cool design

[mellow mantle]

He also has the best backstory yet

Just a hunter from Britain who hunted a lot

[zealous trench]

im gonna read it

I wonder what he killed during the hunt in Portmadoc, its written that he returned with a dog head 2 times bigger the normal one...

[mellow mantle]

The black hound

Duh

There are more monsters than those we see in Hunt: Showdown

There are chinese monsters, thunderbird William Salter's brother hunted

Sea monsters

Uhhh

Now that you mentioned it, what connection does the ronin have to monster hunting?

[zealous trench]

in his backstory is written that he is searching power in order to obtain revenge

[zealous trench]

yeah but i was wondering if its a real one, or maybe some beliefs of the population

there was never any information about the black hound right?

[rotund ferry]

The new hunter is pretty meh

I liked Grandma frenchie

[mellow mantle]

New hunter is great

Just a plain no-nonsense hunter

Not a meme hunter like revenant or grandma

Not a inclusivity points skin like that vitiligo lady

Not an obvious eye-candy bait like monroe

Just a hunter from wales

[mellow mantle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwyllgi

[astral pilot]

I think the best part of the new DLC is the Pax - its rly pretty. The hunter is honestly meh. Not really special, but I like that they listened to the community and started doing more grounded, less flashy designs. Still - where's my cowboy D:

[hasty raven]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-23886381

[zealous trench]

I meant in the hunt lore

[granite shard]

Apparently it’s woke to make a cool design with a skin type a bunch of people have

[hasty raven]

I'll never understand people who think like this

does the Phantom exist for 'inclusivity points' because he's missing a limb?

Would there be any way to give a character vitiligo that'd satisfy them? I have a feeling that there isn't

[opaque elk]

too bad the romero skin is just some fucking toilet paper

[granite shard]

I think we know why the phantom wouldn’t be….

People complain abt the viper being non-binary too (and more would complain if they knew sofia also was, but that was announced on the TDoV stream they likely didn’t watch)

[hasty raven]

I don't even know which hunter has vitiligo

[granite shard]

Biatatá!

[hasty raven]

virus

[granite shard]

Oh wow that didn’t save as a png

Fucking google

There we go

[hasty raven]

I never even noticed

[granite shard]

I really like how it kinda gives face paint vibes around her eyes

The shape language they used is dope

[hasty raven]

vitiligo is a cool looking character design

[lavish coyote]

Im confused on what vitiligo is

[hasty raven]

the skin has a patchy look to it

an uneven melanin distribution across the skin I believe

as in, some patches of skin totally lack it

any race can have it but it's more noticeable the darker someone's skin tone is

[granite shard]

Yeah it can go from just a couple of spots to all over your body

[rotund ferry]

Agreed

I'm something of a Pax fan myself

[cunning pollen]

Im just glad we're getting more hunters that look like

Well you know hunters

[restive patrol]

Cool to see more mythology from other parts of the world. Here's the wiki entry on the hound mentioned in Moorhound's Pax skin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moddey_Dhoo. Also side note, he might be one of the oldest playable hunter we have currently, given it states that it has been "more than half a century after leaving Portmadoc"

[red spear]

Especially for her because of her connection to the myth of boitatá

[red spear]

I love how much thought and care Crytek puts into each Hunter. They do such a wonderful job of making design choices that are historically accurate as well as symbolically relevant to the Hunt lore as a whole

[white pasture]

Yeah, very realistic skins....

[astral pilot]

I know! I don't super love the Luz Mala but the fact that she is based in actual culture and mythology is awesome

[high stone]

There are quite a few Texas cattleman types already…some of the Tier II types made by Goodswen/Reschenhofer/Bachir, etc. are excellent examples, like this Robert Duvall looking guy

Inclusion is great, but there are misguided choices sometimes, I think, that feel like they cross the line into a weird tokenism, or unintentional (maybe) satire ( does Myth of the Moors have bagpipes on him???)

Im just salty because I’d like Crytek to put a deeper focus on the original, core H:SD story and themes

The cultural-novelty hunters feel like G.I. Joe figures a little bit (Surfing Hunter! Scuba-Diving Hunter! Sky-Diving Hunter!)

“The Phantom” has always been a weird one, FWIW

[cunning pollen]

But the phantom is super neato >:)

[rotund ferry]

There's a few hunters now that are based on mythology

Devil's Advocate is Krampas and just Google Frau Perchta and you'll see what I mean

[icy brook]

^

That’s why I like skins like Bridgewater and Hardin, they make a lot of sense for the era and aren’t really fantastic in any way

And with Bridgewater Crytek is hitting inclusion in the absolute best manner possible

[rotund ferry]

Bridgewater and Prodigal are the best looking hunters

Oorah

🦅 🎆 🇺🇸 🍔 💪

[granite shard]

I think it really is just a preference thing tbh, I like a lot of the more wild skins

[opaque elk]

Kill buyer >

[icy brook]

All of the cult and voodoo skins are pretty cool imo and make sense in the setting

[mellow mantle]

It's actually fishing baits

Literally boomer hunter

[opaque elk]

Nah best skin

Ur opinion overruled

[real dove]

Well they're focusing on other cultures/hunters this year from what I understand, maybe next year will be more era of the cowboy for everyone whose salty about the ''lack" of cowboys. To be fair to Crytek- the cowboy era ended in 1895, and most cowboys were in the west, which Louisiana is not.

[high stone]

Yep, haha I’m pretty obnoxious about repeating this point…new stuff should be more Gilded-Age/Progressive era Southern Gothic Horror…the wild west has faded at this point

Germ theory, radio, x-rays, occultists…lots of strange new information to take in about our reality

[cunning pollen]

I would think there would be more researchers in the bayou

[rotund ferry]

he maims horses so that's an instant L in my book

The B in Bridgewater stands for Based

Based black man and based buffalo soldier

[knotty yew]

So I’ve seen in a yt video that theres hunters which are born with a resistance to the darkness in the bayou, and theres hunters which take a drug for temporary resistance. Does a list of legendary hunters which are born with or take the drug exist anywhere?

[cunning pollen]

I think every hunter takes the drug

Since eventually they would still be corrupted

But I don't think kevin was ever inoculated

Oh and the infected

[knotty yew]

Alright uhh

Whats corrupted

Whos kevin

What does the word inoculated mean

[cunning pollen]

The false saint

An inoculation is kind of like a vaccine

[knotty yew]

Aka the drug that they take?

[cunning pollen]

Yes

[knotty yew]

Gotcha

And what do you mean by corrupted?

[cunning pollen]

The corruption is what I call the plague or curse that spread through the bayou

The legendary hunter The infected is slowly becoming a grunt because of this corruption

It's also my crackpot theory that the inoculation only works for an hour before you feel adverse effects

Since there's the in game match timer

[knotty yew]

But you say eventually they do become the corrupted. Is every hunter fated to be a ghoul or smth?

[cunning pollen]

It doesn't seem like the hunters become grunts

Because of the inoculation

[knotty yew]

Immolaters then? Or what do you mean by that?

[cunning pollen]

They seem to become armored

[knotty yew]

Huh

Seems weird that they’ll be “in it for the money” or whatever even though theyll def die anyway

[cunning pollen]

They dont die as long as the don't remain in the zone

[knotty yew]

Ah, I misinterpreted your meaning

[cunning pollen]

The inoculation protects them for a time

And some hunters take longer to be affected

Like surprisingly the redneck

[knotty yew]

Huh? How did you find that out?

Is there a wiki or smth?

[cunning pollen]

His lil backstory in game

[knotty yew]

Ah, guess I never proper read it

[cunning pollen]

He apparently was found on his farm still killing infected un inoculated

[knotty yew]

Least powerful redneck right there

[cunning pollen]

Also the reason I believe Hunters who stay in the zone too long become armored is because of the karibiner mastery

And yes there is a wiki

I usually read it at work but don't tell my supervisor 🤫

[knotty yew]

Ive just read it, and it almost implies that hunters forget their time on the drug

Weird and interesting

[upbeat kiln]

That in-game timer used to be part of the lore. Which the writers then forgot. Several lore entries talks about hunters wandering within the hunting grounds for several hours, some even living in the dead zone.

The Redneck for example lives within the dead zone according to one of the last couple of events.

According to the original lore, nothing could survive within the dead zone for more than an hour.

[empty owl]

do note that according to the brooke’s burner text he was ran out of his hideout

[noble scarab]

At the time the red neck was thought a special case. Strong will or sheer stupidity can hold off the infection

[visual finch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[cunning pollen]

I mean growing up in southwest Minnesota we have a suprising amount of rednecks

Gotta say very willfull and not always the brightest

[cunning pollen]

Also Mr Haz the older lore may not be too different

As the story laid out by Russell Chambers seems to suggest them spending long periods of time in the bayou

And one of the characters The Bear actually got infected by a normal grunt despite inoculation

Which is why I think the timer still has a purpose in lore

It's not so much that they are doomed immediately more so they just have a very high chance of dying

I mean I've seen your gameplay and I know I get smacked by grunts every now and then hehe

[upbeat kiln]

Nadia Orville had a similar experience, with a young guy who got bit in the arm. "The arm would have to come off." Though I don't recall if he was inoculated or not. It does, however, seem to be the case that bites or scratches from people severely exposed to corruption is much more potent than the corruption itself - as documented by events regarding William Salter, who during his outbursts of deranged anger bit a doctor, who then got festering wounds mere hours after exposure. (I'm assuming the doctor, as well as everyone else within the asylum, to be inoculated.)

[upbeat kiln]

Maybe. Could be. Either way, finding clarity, or logic for that matter, in terms of how the corruption operates, does seem to have become slightly more of a problem lol

[cunning pollen]

True hehe

It was always a bit foggy from the start

[real dove]

Hm, but our Hunters only take damage when attacked by grunts/armored/etc... They were still kinda experimenting with the vaxx at that point, no? I'd think they still hadn't inoculated everyone and the doc got unlucky. If the bites/scratches were to kill hunters regardless of inoc or not, then everyone who gets touched by an AI is doomed in the end. My understanding of the Infected is he was turning into a grunt, and took the vax in order to not become one, nullifying the corruption, but leaving him with some... fun... side effects

[upbeat kiln]

As far as we know, there have been two kinds of inoculations, the first one, originally used by the AHA, which was concocted from roots or plants and deemed to be inefficient, to say the least, and then the serum introduced by Lynch, allegedly done through human sacrifice, which proved to be much more efficient in terms of protection.

So perhaps. I struggle to think of another incident and consequences where a cut or wound was inflicted on someone within the lore. Though the gameplay and lore seem to have trouble matching in some areas.

[real dove]

ah. Hadn't considered that they had 2 versions, I just knew of the sacrifice/demon blood one. makes sense then that bites/scratches- direct plague into body vs airborne being highly more contagious.

especially if you vax isn't the most effective. doc shoulda eaten more garlic

[cunning pollen]

There also seems to be some characters who get inoculated after already having entered the bayou

Like the character in the karibiner mastery

It seemed like his recruiter only did the induction ritual after he was killing grunts

[river socket]

Confused, was it the Skinned’s father who was skinned by reptilian and now he wants revenge? And why does the ward follow reptilian if he tries to kill just about everyone he meets?

[mellow mantle]

Reptilian's partner was Skinned's father

Reptilian didn't skin him, he just killed him so he wouldn't have to share the shrinking profit

[river socket]

Oooh that makes sense

But then why is Skinned called that? He looks like he’s gots his skin 😅

[noble scarab]

I think the skinned is referencing both the hunter and the gators themselves, kind of a revenge of the swamp thing maybe

[river socket]

I wonder if rot jaw is connected somehow

[cunning pollen]

also what do you think the man brought from the and of the dead

because the trailer makes it sound like they used Rotjaw to draw something from the underworld

[hasty raven]

the Skinned's bio says the three of them put their conflict aside to hunt Rotjaw I think

this is like the third or fourth time this guy has been killed

[river socket]

Ooo
I love when hunters get along 😁
Does that include Hornback? Isn’t she connected to reptilian somehow too?

[hasty raven]

no idea, sorry lol

[zealous token]

I think her bio mentioned that the two of them have done business in the past. I think in the sense of the Reptilian providing stuff she could as material in her line of work.

[unkempt bison]

he a strong boay

[upbeat kiln]

He is trying to emulate my general performance in game

[frigid bone]

Same

[granite shard]

He has necromancer and is playing solo, that should be the last time he gets up to die again

[lunar sky]

He has necromancer as a solo idk

Yeah no but that guy does die a lot 😭

[lavish coyote]

I mean its just showing how the game works, most of em are clones with different names😭

To me atleast

[lunar sky]

I see it that way aswell

But I feel that guy gets abused a lot in trailers 😭

[hasty raven]

All of them except for this guy, surely

[lavish coyote]

Hes very special dw, his mom said hes the good kind of special

[willow wave]

is that her eye or a hole in her head? looks too centered and too big to be a eye

[manic sequoia]

looks like a hole to me

[high stone]

I think it’s an empty eye socket, you can see the electricity coming from it in one frame of the trailer - I’m wondering if she’s undead, or eyeless?

[untold arrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/parksandrec-season-6-parks-and-recreation-rec-IuaM5sUvLCYTyNKV4J

[real dove]

probably similar to the hellhounds- they dont really have eyes in the true sense, just glowing dots

[red spear]

Frankenstein gator let's go

Maybe the metal gator traps are acting as both a trap and Faraday cage

[real dove]

Seems like we're about to get 4 new hunters

Lotta new folks... plus mention of new pacts

Interested to see if the Inferno pacts are still around or have been twisted into something new

or if we're going the Viper route and just forgetting allllllll about em

[high stone]

Im guessing there will be lightning strikes that will make her electrified, and hard to fight up close

Just a guess, though!

[mellow mantle]

Did anyone translate whatever is written on legendary weapon skins with hunter alphabet?

[raw gust]

Like 4 years ago we translated some of it. The script is called voyinch btw

[red spear]

I've been meaning to sit down and try to translate them. Is there a document with those translations @raw gust ?

[raw gust]

#lore-discussion message

this was for the swamp peach, there's a bit more if you scroll down

some of the lore is probably out of date, don't know how consistent they kept it

[river socket]

Does Scrapbeak lay eggs? I saw full eggs and hatched ones in his lair. Never noticed it before

[loud steeple]

#lore-discussion message

[tidal storm]

2 native americans, the moorhound, and a guy with a bird cage on his head

[shadow token]

Late, but following up on this, the hillbilly also formed inoculation naturally if I recall proper. Other hunters found him holed up in Moses Poultry a few months after the outbreak. He seemed totally fine... or as fine as the hillbilly could be.

[real dove]

and moorhound

@tidal storm not sure the woman is native but shall see soon enough

[tidal storm]

Actually yeah

I imagine that it’ll come out sometime close to the 22nd

[real dove]

I wanna know what this mess is about

if smol triangle is one of the pacts

[tidal storm]

Looks like an altar or a memorial

[real dove]

agreed... clearly we're getting pacts again (no complaint, I liked them)

[tidal storm]

What were pacts again, I wasn’t around when they were in the game

[real dove]

lunar, grounded, inferno

[tidal storm]

Oh right

Grounded

The broken pact

[real dove]

yarp. was a good time though, I just wished I could have actually fought a team in the fire

kept trying to drag folks into the flames, nobody wanted to dance in the embers... 😦 looking forward to this event, though I will be disappointed if they completely toss out the end of devil's moon/the pacts and start some new stuff

[tidal storm]

Supposedly it’s going to be the deadliest event yet

[real dove]

it's pvp, nothing but deadly lol

[tidal storm]

Pvp, plus a boss in water

[real dove]

truth. tho I suspect that won't be like a traditional bounty... will have a special que, like the wildcards stuff on the weekends

[tidal storm]

It’s funny, because those incin ammo changes aren’t gonna matter that much in the event because it’s gonna be perpetually raining

[tidal storm]

Yeah I guarantee it

[real dove]

truth

[tidal storm]

I’m very excited for what the skins are gonna be

Hoping for a cent shorty skin

[real dove]

I'm excited to have a way to set dead hunters aflame without lanturn hunting

true'

[tidal storm]

Incin can light dead people?

[real dove]

hand crossbow in trailer sets a body aflame

makes me think we're getting some new ammo there

[tidal storm]

Oh right

We’re getting dragonsbreath for it

[real dove]

handcrossbow bout to trade with my silenced nagant with poison

[tidal storm]

Liquid fire bombs are gonna be meta as fuck

[real dove]

truth. waxed dyna too

anyway, this is not lore

lol

[tidal storm]

We should prob move to #latest-update-discussion

[real dove]

truth

[red spear]

Ty!

Could someone provide me with the item description for the pan's head charm?

[high stone]

I forgot about the eggs…pretty mystifying

[willow wave]

Could be just regular crow eggs since there are more than usual amount of crow traps in the boss lair's compound.

[hasty raven]

crow eggs are a bit smaller than that

They have the same color and pattern as crow eggs though

[river socket]

I think they had giant crows before or crow monsters during the event some time back

[hasty raven]

I wasn't around for it but they did not

[silver cargo]

Who recruited the Phantom again? I see "woman" and the initial of an L - was this Lynch who was done in by jos and fin ?

[hasty raven]

probably Lynch

[wispy creek]

It's lynch yeah she gave him his arm

[white pasture]

And leg

Wonder if Chary is Lynch

Certainly similar beings

[dawn marten]

does anyone have the current year in game? I know its after 1903 per one of the devil moons entries

[noble scarab]

its still 1895 in game

lore year is all over the place

[granite shard]

The events are taking place in 1895, but you’re seeing them through records collected by a modern era researcher, so they’re able to collect pieces written about events after the fact

[white pasture]

I think it's only like 20-30 years beyond Louisiana Event.

[red spear]

It's hard to believe all this stuff happening in the span of a single year. Between the rise and fall of Lynch within the AHA, all of the Moon trilogy storylines, the time needed for international hunters to receive letters and make their way to Louisiana. Not even considering the introduction of Frankengator and the upcoming trilogy of events, all of this has to have played out over the span of 2-3 years.

[noble scarab]

It’s been made clear that the lore year can/should be advancing but the year depicted in each map is 1895, spring, summer, and fall, and maybe eventually a winter map

[red spear]

That's been my take on it with the maps. I just wish in the lore department we'd have even the smallest inkling of the passage of time. I think there are a few documents dated 1896, and a magazine article talking about Ochenkov's widow published in 1903.

[white pasture]

Pretty sure in game lore gives timeliness of the initial outbreak. And then then whoever long for the AHA to fall to now.

Multiple years

[high stone]

Interesting too that some of the structures in or around compounds look like they’ve been sitting unmaintained for over 5 years…makes you wonder how slowly the problem spread until it became the crisis it is in 1895

[noble scarab]

Some compounds like blanchet have been there since the 1700s, weathering hurricanes and sinking into the swamps, so I can image that the wear/tear is about right

[granite shard]

Seems like desalle falling was relatively recently bc at some point before the canon events, Lulu met sofia at the saloon while the town was still populated

[white pasture]

High humidity and heat decay structures quickly but it believe the Event and the plague started years previously.

[real dove]

My understanding is it spread over a year, since we have a spring, summer, and fall map, with DeSalle being the least affected. We also know that the area had fluctuating wealth- Darin DeSalle took "good" care of Upper DeSalle and his business stuffs, but Lewis DeSalle let the mansion (Pearl) go to rot, as well as Lower DeSalle. Seems like a combo of war destruction, neglect, and the infection and eventual abandonment of the land.

[real dove]

#1 is bridgewater, right? #2 is new cage face dude?

[raw gust]

1 is deckhand

[red spear]

Finally, my boy is getting some love! 🙏

[mellow mantle]

The coming event is about a ship washed ashore in the bayou

🤔 Is it really washed ashore if it's in the bayou

[tepid mulch]

Yeah. More than likely it's a clearwater ship

Which are not meant to be used inland. They are meant for open sea

It could be a "brown"water ship that was beached inland. Something meant for rivers and inland water travel that was damaged and grounded on the bayous many islands. Given the bayou isn't that deep and most things would get stuck trying to go through

[white pasture]

Mississippi...

[steep spade]

John marston

[lunar sky]

Wrong universe brother but I like your spirit

[red garden]

As someone who grew up in the rural Southeastern U.S. I can confirm that Hunt Showdown is an accurate simulation of a slow Tuesday in the Dixie states

Don't ask what a fast Tuesday looks like

They're still matching limbs individual fingers/toes/eyeballs to bodies from last time

[rotund ferry]

uhh Dixie states?

sorry bud but it's the united states

[red garden]

I felt saying "Southeastern" again would be repetitive

[rotund ferry]

Nah you're fine

I live in the Midwest but you had traitors in states like Missouri and Illinois too

But I'm not bigotted I know not everyone in the South was a traitor

[red garden]

I'm from Florida, we're all swamp Morlocks 😛

[rotund ferry]

There's this one guy I've started watching that walks around barefoot in the everglades and boops everything

[tidal storm]

Based

[red garden]

Steve Irwin would be proud

[rotund ferry]

God rest his soul

we lost him too soon

that magnificent Australian son of a bitch

my spell check actin unwise this evening

[red garden]

Crikey

[red spear]

Except South Florida. Saying goes, we're so far south we're actually northern 😁

[silver cargo]

I'm posting this here for some discussion

as many others I've always been wondering wtf is a Winfield Adversary ( mentioned in the Rival's entry )

apparently, the real-life backroom deal between Colt and Winchester ( Caldwell and Winfield ) was a very real thing, spurred by Colt's double barrel shotguns

Winchester's retort to that was messing with Colt's new double action revolver by importing double action Webley revolvers

which leads me to believe the Winfield Adversary would be precisely that

(since the letter mentions the exact same outcome beat by beat)

[restive patrol]

close, but not quite. It specifically states that they "began work", indicating it was a homegrown design. This one infact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfFSYj8cWgI&t=258s&ab_channel=RockIslandAuctionCompany

[silver cargo]

interesting

[restive patrol]

never made it to full retail, as the gentlemen's agreement happened shortly after Winchester paid Colt a visit to show off the prototype

[silver cargo]

this one kinda predates the whole ordeal from what I can tell ( at least comparing the whole real life discussion )

Colt in 1878 had the "Frontier" double action revolver too

[granite shard]

I love that guy. I think abt him when I see the deckhand or viper rawdogging the bayou

[silver cargo]

though I gotta hand it to you @restive patrol I don't think there are any definite sources - winchester's design is also p cool

[rotund ferry]

Don't forger Cain too! 😂

[rose cape]

does any1 know if the gator is a monster cursed or just a freak of nature big gator

[noble scarab]

we don't know yet but it looks to be undead, and possibly Frankenstein-ed together

[rose cape]

Just hoping the dev team dont forget about the ghoul lore - they need to focus on that and not too much on this gator

[granite shard]

From the reveal video of rotjaw, it seems like she was used to ferry something back from the land of the dead

I’m interested bc that makes it seems like she’s the first boss target not created in some way by the sculptor

[real dove]

Well technically neither the Butcher or Scrapbeak nor the Assassin originate from the Sculptor... The butcher was a taxidermy created by Ariel D'aunoy, and either Frankenstein brought to life by lightning (there is mention of a storm in his final entry) or straight brought to life by the Sculptor. Scrapbeak was (to my understanding) a Civil War vet who was experimented on, and The assassin already had his powers before coming to the swamps. The fact they keep being brought back to life (well, really they're cloned) is due to the sculptor. My understanding is that the sculptor does not create the orginal monster, but rather uses it as a mold to create copies across the swamps. correct me if I'm wrong tho

[granite shard]

My assumption was that the sculptor had a hand in making them the monsters that they were? Like at least w SB and the assassin, since even w the assassin having had existed before Louisiana went to hell there has been implied other instances of this sort of thing cropping up across the world (north star’s bio mentions stuff happening in China similar to LA). And SB experiments yeah but didn’t the sculptor have some hand in it?

Like at the very least most of them have some form of tie to the sculptor whereas rotjaw is coming from a completely different place

[real dove]

Dunno. I always thought the sculptor went "hey, that's neat! Let's add -element of choice-! chef's kiss" and proceded to hit Ctrl C & Ctrl V over and over

But until the event drops I assume the sculptor will have some tie with rot jaw

she's gonna have the same ressurection ability.... so in theory, she'll become another one of the sculptor's tools anyway

[granite shard]

Yeah my thought for SB was always
people: starts something
sculptor: creates something so much worse from the bones they started with and the end product was mostly him

Yeah I’m curious to see how rotjaw will tie into things. I wonder who brought her to the bayou

Like maybe the new goth gf chick?

Like the indigenous hunter seems to be against rotjaw, presumably goth gf is pro rotjaw, and then there’s muzzle guy as the third party doing his thing

[real dove]

same. I really really really hope they bring lynch back, and we see her face off with Chary (tho, to my understanding, his part is done?) two demigods duking it out for control of the Hunters and the Sculptor... Pretty clear RotJaw has some experimental shit on her, giving her electric powers so she was definitely created for a reason, even if she no longer gives a shit about said reason and simply wishes to kill everything

but who knows... will find out hopefully in a few days

crosses fingers

[granite shard]

I doubt we’ll see the event until July

I’d assume 1.13 drops this week and the event a week or two after since we still need a dev stream for it

[high stone]

My headcanon is always that Orsica was resurrected and turned into the Assassin by the “sculptor” or whatever as a way to mess with Black (Researcher) after Orsica was killed.

Giving him special super-powers while he was still alive just feels like it muddies the waters

I think I base most of my head-canon stuff on what you can see IN the game, though, so I know it’ll be pretty different from the written material 😂

[empty owl]

i personally would say that the assassin was not human in the first place, it takes the appearance of a human to blend in well. By the time of the game, it definitely has shed it’s skin or lose it’s mind to the point that it didn’t care what it looked like. Like the name said, it’s an assassin it was probably something that the sculptor used for covert killings in the past

[high stone]

Interesting! I guess I didn’t assume that sculptor/etc could make a thing that could interact naturally and fool everyone. I thought Orsica actually WAS an assassin in life, so the nickname sort of carried over into his death.

Crytek has sort of been using “game design outline” style names for a lot of the enemies (Grunt, Armored, etc.) so it may have just been the internal name for the newest guy 🤷‍♂️

Lots of loose and dead ends…fun to speculate though!

[lunar sky]

So did the skinned ever get revenge on the reptilian?

[tidal storm]

As far as we’re aware they put aside their differences to hunt rotjaw

[lunar sky]

Interesting, thank you

[tidal storm]

It may be something else, they mentioned a treasure of some kind

It may be rotjaw or it may not be

[red spear]

It could maybe be related to the washed up ship, Delphine. I think it was in the bb economy video that there's a very quick snapshot of the menu for the event and it talks about a ship being washed ashore and hunters fighting for the cursed cargo

[tidal storm]

True

That makes sense

[pearl abyss]

I'm possibly not the first one to think this but with the whole pact and different groups idea from the last event all I see now is Hunt: Showdown lore has turned into a gang war so to speak.

[tidal storm]

Yep, a bunch of factions, fighting for control

[pearl abyss]

Idk but this is both funny and interesting since one hand these are different groups of people who may have different ideas on what happening, why this is happening and if or not to stop it fighting even though they probably used to be teammates. But the other hand all I see now is "drive by" horse shooting from rival gangs

[tidal storm]

All of them have their reasons, whether money, power, control, morals, righteousness, etc

[pearl abyss]

Oh I know and that's what I mean. But my brain just finds humor in almost anything really. Now I'm wondering how the heads of the AHA or whatever is feeling right now. Probably wishing they had a better recruiting plan

[real dove]

Elwood Finch is currently in charge of what's left of the AHA

[lavish mist]

your mom lmao

[real dove]

Oh wow so original.

But yeah, there's a snippet from the last event where finch is like SOS I need help getting all these idiots to stop fighting each other these pacts are a problem ;-;

[lavish mist]

a couple friendly kisses would solve the whole Louisiana incident in a matter of hours

[lunar sky]

That’s what I’m saying

[rotund ferry]

Prodigal's got a bullet with her name on it

[delicate blade]

so what did the turncoat 'turned' from? its 1895 so he doesn't look old enough to be a civil war vet. Same goes for that soldier hunter deserter that comes with the spencer 1882 what war did he deserted from

[white pasture]

I think its more the entire area is saturated in supernatural energy and how it manifest varies greatly. Area likewise seems to draw in supernatural beings in general.

[verbal rock]

Sgt. Bridgewater is a Buffalo Soldier who deserted during the American Indian war

Turncoat I’m not actually sure

[delicate blade]

they were still fighting the natives in 1895??

[clever thistle]

turncoat wasnt involved in the civil war. when he and his group of western prospecters were ambushed, people suspected he sabotaged his own party

[rotund ferry]

Yes and Canada even later than that

Although hunt takes place during 1895-1904 and the only notable war during that time period that the US was involved in was the Spanish-American war.

My assumption was Sgt. Bridgewater was a deserter from the Spanish-American war since that was when Buffalo soldiers were most prominent

Also the American-Indian (or native American) wars took place over the span of 220 years so its hard to really determine what specific date Bridgewater served in one of those conflicts

[raw gust]

Th Ghost Dance and Wounded Knee happened in 1890, so just 5 years before hunt takes place

He could have easily been involved with those

[rotund ferry]

Yeah thats a fair point

[raw gust]

It's wild how many historical events and extinctions took place just 50 years before we had modern cameras and equipment. The world was a much different place in 1900 than it was in 1800

[rotund ferry]

I always find that ironic about American history, we finally abolish slavery in 1865 and then America does "manifest destiny" and push out most of the remaining Natives from the west into the north to recieve an equally harsh treatment by Canada and following that we go to war with Mexico and push them down south into what is now modern day Mexico

I think a lot of people forget how Mexico used to be a lot bigger

States like California, New Mexico, Nevada and Texas used to be Mexican territory but is now known as US territory

[raw gust]

Your timeline is off a bit. California was a union state during the civil war

[rotund ferry]

My favorite period in history is probably mid to late 1800's to early 2000s because so much has happened up until this point. Mostly the advancement in weaponry and technology

[rotund ferry]

Yeah I forgot the Mexican American war actually took place before the Civil War

[raw gust]

People wonder how we've gotten so much wrong, but we've only really had "advanced" technology since 1920 or so (depends on industry, of course). Hardly enough time to work through all the issues, and technology advancement marches on

[rotund ferry]

When I was in school they really just glossed over wars like the Spanish-American and Mexican-American wars we learned a bit about stuff like the French-Indian and American-indian wars but the biggest wars everyone always seems to know is ww2, the cold war, civil war and revolutionary war

[raw gust]

In fairness, those were the only wars where the fate of the country was at stake

[rotund ferry]

The United States is 245 years old and we've been in more wars than some countries have been in their entire existence

[raw gust]

If we had lost the Spanish American war the US would still exist

[rotund ferry]

We would've lost territory

[raw gust]

Yeah, but the territory we were fighting over was pretty out of the way

[rotund ferry]

And arguably our country wasn't at risk during ww1 we simply went to go help our allies

[raw gust]

I agree

WW1 is barely covered in high schools except as a prelude to WWII

[rotund ferry]

It's debatable but it's believed by some that the Serbian government financially supported the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

Which if that's true then technically the allies started ww1

But regardless of all that tensions were incredibly high in Europe at the time so if Archduke Franz Ferdinand wasn't assassinated there probably still would've been a world sized conflict

[rotund ferry]

I hate that ww1 is just treated as a bridge to ww2 because although it was a major starting point for the second world war the first had completely different set of starting points that set itself apart from ww2

I've actually had debates with people who say we should just "combine the two wars in history"

I couldn't disagree with that statement any more than I already do

It's important to separate and catalog history

[delicate blade]

oh damn what did canada even do

[raw gust]

More or less the same things that the US did

They didn't have Oklahoma though so they had to send them somewhere else. I'm not a Canadian expert tbh

[rotund ferry]

Let's put it this way

Currently there are more traces of native American culture in the United States than in Canada

Canada has two modes, incredibly apologetic and walking genocide. When the US drove out the few remaining western tribes to Canada mfs really went and took one look and said "oh boy more play things"

And yes I did just quote a Habitual Linecrosser skit

I just hope there is never another time in history where Canada decides to stop saying sorry

Because that means hell is freezing over

[icy brook]

Bridgewater probably deserted from a peacekeeping post on one of various reservations in the western US, most likely somewhere in the high plains

Although his Spencer “Standard Issue” has US proof stamps the government never purchased or allowed shotguns to be used by tribal police or military police over watching forts associated with reservations, it would make more sense than a rifle for a peacekeeping post so the disbelief is easy to suspend

Officers during the Plains Wars were allowed to furnish their own arms outside of the standard issue trapdoor but I’m unaware of any taking or being allowed to take shotguns

[raw gust]

He would definitely have made more sense with a Springfield skin, but even fewer people would have bought that dlc

[icy brook]

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[rotund ferry]

Shotguns weren't really utilized by MP or conventional police forces until 1920s

[icy brook]

Some Snider conversion shotguns made their way into both South African and Canadian Indian Reserve peacekeeping positions but I highly doubt anyone wants any form of Snider in game

[rotund ferry]

Bridgewater likely got his piece from Carcass Gunrunner as an important and it was stamped for legal reasons or something

His Caldwell new army however was issued to him according to it's lore

But yeah I think a 1866 Springfield would've suited him a lot better as his weapon skin

And the name "Standard issue" would've made a lot more sense