feedback-discussion

[unborn dagger]

Certainly feels bad

[hot vigil]

For sure

[unborn smelt]

Oh absolutely feels bad

[hot vigil]

Just a #HuntMoment

[unborn smelt]

My guess is its a partial miss because the advocate os couching - and with all the dangly bits looking like a good-ish hit.

But dangly parts and capes are not hitbox

[hazy quartz]

the thing is, it can often be explained with the game mechanics, but players often choose to belief the less likely but more infuriating option that it was a cheat/bug. almost as if they want to be angry.

[unborn smelt]

Meh - its okay to suspect cheats

[hazy quartz]

it is

[unborn smelt]

Reporting and moving on is the right course of action tho

[unborn dagger]

Indeed

[hazy quartz]

just feels like it is the default blanket answer even when proven it was very likely legit

[unborn smelt]

Hard to proove for sure

Were all guessing here

[hazy quartz]

[hot vigil]

Unless we got a damage history after the match! :D

[unborn smelt]

This is why i'm still waiting for dmg done history

[hazy quartz]

seeing the pellet spread on the hunters hitbox in dmg history would be so good for many of these cases

[hot vigil]

Fix spread when?

[burnt mulch]

there's also apparently a bug being fixed in 1.9 which I guess affects the romero

could be that.

[hot vigil]

Ah yes, hate when I hit people meters aways and nothing happens

[queen jungle]

I think there is. I’ve hot a guy with winnie 4 times at 30-45m and didn’t kill him. Even if they were all arms he couldn’t have survived

Could also just be your shot didn’t reg

It happens

[hazy quartz]

check out the damage spreadsheets or damage calculators. winnie doesn't do much damage to limbs and even less at range. it absolutely is possible to survive 4 winnie shots at 30-45m without cheats.

not saying it wasn't cheats, but it is not necessarily cheats when it is possible within the normal rules of the game.

[burnt mulch]

39*4=156 damage. Could be having a regen shot running, or misjudged your distance to be further.

[sick anvil]

Damage history and another thing would be nice to have bullet trajectory replays on death that you could replay after the match

[hazy quartz]

weird the calculator gives way higher damage numbers than the spreadsheets i checked. i really wish we had something official to rely on.

[queen jungle]

That would only show you how much damage you dealt. But nothing else. There's really just two possible states: dealt enough damage to kill the opponent or didn't.

[clever prawn]

@wind narwhal idk what you mean, Springfield has 590 mv, lebel has 610mv, berthier has 590mv.

Springfield is really fast enough. I agree on the pax side but I'd rather say Springfield needs fmj than higher velocity

[wind narwhal]

@clever prawn I think the Springfield is a 490 not 590 sir. If it got high velocity it would put it up there with long ammo except for max range

[clever prawn]

My mistake, still fast enough for its range

If true to life a hunter runs about 3 meters a second, bullet goes 490 meters per second.. That means that like up to 100 meters you barely have to lead

Up to 200 just a little bit more

Hv will not make this much better at 200 meters

Because you'll still have to lead a bit and they still have to walk into it

Medium ammo HV is 75 dollars, the marksman is 70 dollar too I believe, for a little more you have a sparks sniper

Does hunt take that into account? I don't think so tbh

[sick anvil]

smokeless hmm Nitro and Dolch

what else

mosin could be both

[hot vigil]

Just as a principle I don't want more weapons getting HV.
HV is just a straight upgrade in most cases.

Hence I feel it fails as a custom ammo.

Eyup

[sick anvil]

Barrel insert in to a MHI and UHV bullets

because why not making 1800m/s

[hot vigil]

Springfield is a mostly fine state atm. It is more the laughable Medium ammo damage drop that is the issue

[sick anvil]

Which one is it the 50cal that is in game or is the 45 cal

i think people should stop trying to fix weapons by special ammo

because it does not make the baseline any better

[hot vigil]

This

Especially bc then it just becomes a weird "tax" to be viable meta.

[sick anvil]

if you turn a 50buck gun to a 300 buck you might as well run a mhici or llrrr

at that point you can also give the 500 NE Hornady Amax™️

[clever prawn]

No..? Damage drop-off is higher, if ur not used to the 600mv than u gotta learn that, mv is usually too high for effective range

Hmmmm

The slightly goes to giant with the Winnie vandal😂

No but hv is not a straight up upgrade

It has no special utility and if u cannot ammo pool it do u really wanna be without ammo?

Vandal isn't that bad, hv makes it unbearable

If u can hit a headshot with 600 mv u can also do it with 400

Sway is not a giant problem up to 80 meters

The only viable gun with hv is vetterli marksman, other than that it won't really affect playstyle

No

It does not

Vetterli hv comes closer to that

But in the range you use iron sights you don't need hv

Mv doesn't make something compare to a mosin

Yea u don't need hv for that range

Learn lead😂

Turning it into special ammo so less ammo and paying quit lots for it is not worth the few less heads u lead

[hot vigil]

HV is a straight upgrade for most the weapons that have access to them. Most people pace their shots anyways, so the recoil impacts little even on lever action weapons.

[clever prawn]

Oh well than almost every special ammo type is a steaight upgrade

[nova canyon]

Yes

Beside the number of ammo, swapping normal ammo for special is Always an upgrade

Swapping one type of ammo for another is a trade off

If you played a lot before the special ammo release, you might not need the upgrade that HV and Spitzer provide tho

[hot vigil]

But flame/poison comes with some downsides being no pen.

[nova canyon]

I don't find it worth it because i played a lot and learned to lead

[nova canyon]

Yeah but that still an upgrade over normal ammo

[hot vigil]

Would call it a side-grade.
Bc you can get fucked over by not having penetration sometimes.

But I can't think of a situation where having HV is gonna fuck me over.

[nova canyon]

When i go with fire ammo, i have Pen on my sidearm, so i don't feel that downside that much

[hot vigil]

Dunno, I feel it a lot bc if they are shooting behind a fence, just being a little off can nullify the whole shot.

[nova canyon]

Yeah, i Know what you mean

On the other hand, HV fucked me a few Time because i led too much, so i stopped using it

Especially on vetterli because it has almost the same mv as the Uppercut lol

[hot vigil]

Well, that would be me saying that the mosin is a bad gun bc I usually play with medium/compact muzz weapons.

That is not really a downside.

[nova canyon]

That don't mean HV is Bad tho, as i said, it's an upgrade. But you might not feel that upgrade as much as someone else because of different habits

[wind narwhal]

I was more or less trying to get it where medium ammo is actually a upgrade from compact. To me at least it's either long ammo or compact which is sad tbh the only time I run medium if I wanna use duel paxs and I will bring a Springfield compact for just an all round build

It's kinda like my long ammo with two uppercut and obrez

[vague briar]

i will when i see the third one .. first one had some ESP and can oneshot anyone from very far distance with crosbow .. second one got hit 3 times with shotgun + dynamite + sniper shot and didnt die and killed me and my team like we were nothing !! 💔

[unborn dagger]

Honestly why don't they up the recoil a bit further?

[hot vigil]

That could be a good tweak. Or just reduce RoF.

Like as a mix, more recoil resulting in slightly lower RoF.

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[tribal wyvern]

Also because some objects are dummy thicc.
Seen vids & experienced it myself.

My romero bullets got blocked by ropes, but made a metal sound, because metal was hanging at the bottom.
F'd by spaghetti code

[hot vigil]

Eyup, same with chicken fence

god damn that is my biggest pain of this game

[sick anvil]

imagine they made guns out of that wire you could make guns shooting 800grains of black powder

[queen jungle]

@covert ibex Please use your platforms bug-reporting channel to report any issues or bugs you encounter in the main menu and use #game-ideas for feature suggestions only.

[tribal wyvern]

@slow valve
You do actually die in oneshot, happened to me.
Pretty sure it depends where you hit him & distance.
That looks like a leg shot almost.

I was reviving a teammate & had 150 hp, got shot once by a Crossbow explosive & died.

[slow valve]

i tried even in head it doesnt

distance doesn't mather it explode in impact

wait 2 secs

and even legs shot should kill u also its a frekign dynamite , i dotn ask spread domage but at least when u hit directly

this is the direct domage

124 domage

no bulwork

this is the domage did to meathead with one explosiv bolt

befor:

after :

1 axe heavy slicing does a bit mor than 1/8 the total health of meathead

initialy the meathead was 1/4 of his HP

i had to hit him 3 time with explosiv bot and 1 time with my medkit to kill him

an heavy axe mele atack does 165 Domage

[slow valve]

when did you got killed full hp with explosiv crossbow ?

you can also easyly tell that the crossbow dynamite does not 213 domage ...

[valid ingot]

my friend killed a hunter with it few days ago, one direct hit in upper torso

[slow valve]

the axe itself does mor and is indicat only 165

[slow valve]

yeaa but maybe alrdy down or missing health ?

[valid ingot]

freshly banished boss so doubt it

[slow valve]

ima gona do further testing so

but i higly doubt that

[zinc solstice]

Explossbow usually 1 taps to body I believe

[slow valve]

look video i sent

[tribal wyvern]

Yesterday

[slow valve]

youll see it doesn't

[zinc solstice]

I dont know why it didnt 1 tap in the clip

But I've never seen it do that before

[tribal wyvern]

It's probably not a direct hit on the upper body

[slow valve]

i dont have 1 clip of that btw

im checking it

[valid ingot]

i think because of the huge drop it has it hit the legs so the dmg from bolt hit got reduced and just explosion dmg is not enough to kill

[zinc solstice]

Yeah, the splash is weak af and tiny

[valid ingot]

and the drop on explosion is huge

[slow valve]

yeaa but at this distance man

even iff it toutch the leg it should kill

man he ate a freaking dynamite stick

a sparks has 17 amos and doeas 149 dmg per hit , has no bulet drop , can pen trew wood and is 130$

crossbow dynamite has 9 amos canot pen trew wood and is 190$ and has huge bulet drop

[zinc solstice]

Except it also doesn't 1 tap meatheads, have splash, have alternate ammo that silent 1 taps to chest within 20m and doesn't 1 tap hunters at full hp within range

[slow valve]

man i dotn ask for domage spread

but w<hen you hit body it should kill

[zinc solstice]

It 1 taps body for everyone else

[slow valve]

soo you r sayin game just shit on mee and he should die ? XD

[zinc solstice]

Sparks body shot into flash bomb combo

[zinc solstice]

Yes

[slow valve]

lol

[zinc solstice]

The game does this often

[slow valve]

so it did 5 time

ima gona doo further testings

[nova canyon]

Skill issue

[slow valve]

or maybe trying to have fun ?

[zinc solstice]

Wrong

[tribal wyvern]

@unborn smelt
So I did more testing on Spark poison.
We did on teammate, poisoned for 6seconds.
I tried asking if there was a reduced time for teammates, was told No.

If there is a 50% reduction, then it's max 12 seconds.
But if not, 6 seconds is all it poisons for.

Wish they'd look into poison time rather than wep dmg for it.

Then theres no difference on bullets

[nova canyon]

That's not incompatible

[slow valve]

yeaa but wee never spoke about skills so iff u wana trow spikes at ppl its not the discord to do

so i would like that u keep that for urself iff it doesn't add to the conv

[nova canyon]

What i meant is, if explo crossbow didn't one tap, then it's not a torso hit

And game is not the problem

[slow valve]

213 dmg

so is this a lie ?

ther is something man

i tried with friend even in torso he shoot at mee did'nt died

[nova canyon]

because there is a damage reduction on friendly fire

[slow valve]

and iff u mean that then nevermind sry for what i said

not with explosiv bolt

and wee wher not in team

wee found each other in match than i asked him to shoot me

[nova canyon]

The explosion doesn't get the damage reduction, the bolt hit does

It's not the splash damage that actually kill, it's splash damage + bolt hit

[slow valve]

sound strange i knew

yeaa but as i said wee wher not in team at this time

[hazy quartz]

regular bolts can be blocked by the arms to protect the torso.

[nova canyon]

people asking for things that are already in game

[hazy quartz]

it's not official

don't know if we are even allowed to say that it's there. because it leaked/unintentional

[nova canyon]

they even teased it on instagram

[hazy quartz]

confirmed to not be intentional, everytime someone mentions it their message get's deleted on sight, just saying.

you don't need to convince me, i don't make the rules, just saying

[slow valve]

mann

i swear the explo crossbow is buged

at least 4 me

[native lodge]

@digital nacelle I see what you did there

[slow valve]

i shoot the bolt exploded on my face

nothing was in front of it

[hazy quartz]

there are some bugged invisible walls in a few places, it also might be able to collide with chains and stuff. (not 100% sure about that)
i used it for a good while and it works fine for me.

[slow valve]

naahh u right with that

chais do it explode

but ther the bold just got yeeted

i watch the vid in slow mo and waw

like

the bolt exploded not even wher i was

see

[nova canyon]

See, it one shots

[hazy quartz]

ah i forgot, explosions can set off other explosives in the air for a chain reaction and explosives can be shot to make them explode. I don't know what happened there but this might be useful info.

[nova canyon]

Shooting an explosive bolt to kill someone is a real chad move

[hazy quartz]

[slow valve]

nahh i was not full health

[slow valve]

nahh ther was no other explosiv

[hazy quartz]

explosive bolt can oneshot at full health, i have plenty of clips doing that.

[slow valve]

i would like to see it so

[hazy quartz]

ok gimme a sec

[slow valve]

bcs i have plenty of clips that dont

[nova canyon]

tbh, you are probably aiming too low

[slow valve]

yeaa

but then

why the bolt exploded on the wall AT MY LEFT??

like even if it was to low

i did not got shot and he did not shot when i shoot the bolt

he di not trew anything

so jsut why

[slow valve]

yeaa he must be low hp

u clearly shoot her in the legs

or at his feet

[nova canyon]

Pushing like this, she isn't low hp, or she is completly dumb

[slow valve]

soo tell mee wher did he shoot first ?

[hazy quartz]

i show another clip

[slow valve]

k

[nova canyon]

He didn't, that's the point. She's pushing because she's full hp

[slow valve]

and iff u dont have anny healt or can't retreat best choice is push man

[nova canyon]

If you push without health, you are clearly not making the best choice

[hazy quartz]

my crossbow was empty in clip 1 because i shot before that but i missed, but i have to shorten the clip so i can upload it here.

[slow valve]

ok this one maybe

[hazy quartz]

second clip was indirect hit

[slow valve]

soo what will you do iff u can't retreat and can't heal ?

[nova canyon]

Was it lagging or is it missing frames because of compression ?

[nova canyon]

She can retreat on that clip

[hazy quartz]

weird its smooth for me.

[nova canyon]

Might be my chromebook acting up then

[slow valve]

nehh iff she was alrdy low hp and knew Yacc was ther she knew that retreat could mean death by explosiv crossbow

or was someone at other side of coumpound ?

and even some time best way is push even if ur low

[hazy quartz]

she had a teammate in the water

[slow valve]

iff u retreat but still can't heal its bether than wait 20 mins

[hazy quartz]

pushing me 5 seconds after

[slow valve]

yeaa so even low hp it would bee a good push

[nova canyon]

ok mr bugged crossbow, i see you are one of those french people thinking they are better

[slow valve]

i never said that

[hazy quartz]

you don't need to make this about nationality

[slow valve]

but after teese words u said i just understood that u just wont hear or see the truce mister blind man

i never said i was bether but ok

i was her to make debat on it not goin nationality man

rn u r to one that have to go national to proof his point ....

[hazy quartz]

maybe your enemies had bulwark? it reduces explosive damage by 50%

[slow valve]

nahh i asked his friend after

[hazy quartz]

hm, this is really weird

[slow valve]

or maybe he lied

ima try to catch mor clips

my ping is stable (23) also

but yeaa maybe i buged

[hazy quartz]

wish you good luck, because the explosive crossbow is pretty fun to use when it works (which it usually should)

[slow valve]

nahh i love to use it is fun af

but rn i am playing only this bcs i whant to train with the bulet drop

and then when im out of money ima gona prestige lol

[hazy quartz]

[slow valve]

LOL

[hazy quartz]

[slow valve]

thats why i have a lot of strange clips

like i have a lot of good ones

but also bug find like this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XaHf_qeeZA

its gona bee my next sugest idea

dnt knew why its blurry tho

[nova canyon]

It's not a bug

it goes trough the choke

[hazy quartz]

you can' shoot explosives through chokes, this is intentional

[slow valve]

i knew

but my sugest is change the explosiv mecanism

[digital nacelle]

[slow valve]

bcs as u can see it explode on impact

so ther is no fuse

[nova canyon]

Why call it a bug then...

[slow valve]

soo ther is no point of having it dissepear through

what i mean is that it can't explode inside choke

[nova canyon]

Choke put out explosives, fuse or not

[slow valve]

but should bee able to go through

[hazy quartz]

game design choice, sometimes games are unrealistic for balance reasons.

[slow valve]

maybe

[nova canyon]

No, because they chose to put it out

[slow valve]

thats why ima gona put it in sugest idea when i wont be layzy

maybe game desing but i think (not shur) that when u shoot with shotgun bolt it doesn't go of

[nova canyon]

because it's not explosive

[slow valve]

its normal that it does'nt explode inside choke tho

but judging by the explosion mechanism (explode on impact), it should be able to go through choke than explode

[slow valve]

maybe they did that to make ppl go curious and try it on test server ?

bcs apparently test servers r pretty empty

[hazy quartz]

then they would have mentioned it in the stream or the patch notes.

[slow valve]

true

but maybe its intentional

so ppl her about it and dont gett too many info

so they get curious

and than wana knew mor

bcs usualy when they post new guns they chow a vid that explain the gun

anyway wee will see , gess thay will speak about it newt stream

[hazy quartz]

but then it makes no sense if mentioning it is against the rules, because how are people supposed it is there when everytime someone talks about it the message get's deleted. Doesn't sound like a good marketing strategy to me and it is creating unnecessary work for the moderators.

[slow valve]

yup u got that point XD

lets see

[nova canyon]

I'm pretty sure it was an accident and now they are making up for it by teasing it

[slow valve]

or maybe they didn't told the mods

idk

[nova canyon]

Violet, wich works at crytek, acted as a mod to tell us it was illegal to talk about it

[sharp veldt]

It is against the rules of this discord to discuss leaks, yes 🙂 but teasers 👀

[unborn smelt]

@latent crystal Yes they reversed the hotfix forthat bug because it broke the LeMat

[warm zephyr]

@oblique linden you can push them or leave

[oblique linden]

no you cannot sometimes

[digital nacelle]

whaaaaaat that’s crazy

[frosty garnet]

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Currently in bayou on one boss map: two teams collide, third team joins in and tries to third party. Fourth team finds, kills and extracts with the boss bounty. 70% of the time is how the matches are in single boss map at 5 star mmr. My heart is broken that people that make the game so colorful by engaging in pvp, get punished the most, by getting not only less coins, but also less trait points, have to spend more money on health bar restoration and restock consumables. 

Solution: 1. Add more coins to corpse loot and 1 trait point per hunter killed.. People that are desperately in need of coins (like I find myself to be in the middle of every prestige level) can be rewarded if they are more pvp inclined. Or at least people that are at 0 coins, can go solo vulture through battlefields to regain their monetary stability.```

[warm zephyr]

probably because they cornered you?

[oblique linden]

no because they play sniper mosin spitzer and keep going back when you push them

[blissful pewter]

Ah Sry didn't realize

[sharp veldt]

Everybody gets 1 free one

[hazy quartz]

mosin spitzer sniper is the only time when i think complaining about a playtyle is legitimate. when you push them they retreat back so you end up in a wild goose chase and always being at a disadvantage. we did it a few times usually takes like 20-30 minutes chasing them over the whole map until you get them cornered.
Nowadays i don't try to push them, i just get the bounty and just run the other way and try to break sightlines, works almost every single time.

[oblique linden]

Totally agree

[hazy quartz]

it is just such an unengaging playstyle

[oblique linden]

i'm not complaining about camper in building with shotgun because you can wallbang/grenade, there is always a solution

but sniper camper bush gameplay is so frustrating to play against

[hazy quartz]

yeah exactly, building campers put themselves at a disadvantage in some way.

[nova canyon]

Yes but what if the teasers confirm the leaks

https://tenor.com/view/akai-haato-hololive-not-like-this-panic-shake-gif-17045844

[warm zephyr]

then just leave?

[unborn smelt]

Then still - why complain.

Nobody ows anybody a playstyle - including your enemies not owing anyone an engaging playstyle, and well you do the right thing already in just leaving if it annoys you

[crystal plume]

Some things can and should still be discouraged, for long range spitzer sniper players that would be scope glint

Which should be a thing

[unborn smelt]

I'd get it if you were forced to engage with em. But the game allows you to just nope outta there and play a new game with players that are hopefully more up your alley.

[hazy quartz]

yeah, not complaining is as they have to change their playstyle, but that something could be changed gameplay wise that this playstyle can be counterplayed without basically playing the same weapons.

yeah for example scope glint

we obviously can't take away their playstyle because takin something away from players is rarely a good thing, but we could give players more options than just running away

[unborn smelt]

I dunno

[hazy quartz]

like encouraging pvp interaction between players

[unborn smelt]

I'm not a fan of passive scope glint

[hazy quartz]

yeah might not be the best solution, maybe something else

but something

[blissful pewter]

If they did it I think it would need to be subtle

Don't want cod scope glint

Gross

[hazy quartz]

scope glint could have some very rigid conditions to trigger like it only appears when someone is aiming at you with like a 5° tolerance and only when they are above 150m and it is not visible beyond 300 or something.

[crystal plume]

I would just make it visible at 200+ meters

No sweet spot or such

Obviously only if are aiming at you specifically

[hazy quartz]

good point, i was worried someone could be spotted across the whole map, but that's not going to happen as most sightlines are not that long.

and they have to aim at you, so it's not going to happen randomly

[oblique linden]

they camp extract of course, i got sniped a lot of time by 150+ meters, so you can't even see them

[unborn smelt]

The thing with scope glint i dont like is it's a pure anti sniper mechanic.

And i personally dont want mechanics like that aimed at hindering a certain playstyle

[warm zephyr]

another extract?

[hazy quartz]

aren't hunters visible up to 1000m in the current patch?

[unborn smelt]

I think thats lazy mostly

[tight delta]

I didn't like when they introduced scope glint on the Battlefield games, even when I didn't usually run sniper myself.

[unborn smelt]

It takes getting used to, but one can usually avoid snipers very well vy staying in visual cover

[tight delta]

Feels like a bandaid to a different kind of issue, if it even is one.

[crystal plume]

It's to hinder that fact that they can be basically invisible depending on their positioning

[unborn smelt]

Well jes - imo thats not needed and dumbs games down

[tight delta]

Playing sniper has major drawbacks. They usually are a threat only when you have poor extracts, or if you are unaware of their existance.

[unborn smelt]

Hunt has plenty of visual, soft and hard cover

[tight delta]

Though hunting down snipers is a pain, if your goal is to simply kill everyone.

[unborn smelt]

Not saying that i'm right - but i like it if games dont hold your hands that much

Just personal prefrence

[hazy quartz]

it's not that snipers are too strong, but interactions with them are often one sided which honestly doesn't feel good if you are playing the game mainly for the pvp so it is really hard to fight back when they just keep rotating.

[tight delta]

We tend to just pick up the bounty and escape, leaving the snipers with no kills nor objective, lol.

[unborn smelt]

Yes - but thats part of hunt, imo

[hazy quartz]

true true

[unborn smelt]

Either you got the skill to do it anyway - or you decide its not worth your time

And the game allows you that freedom - you can leave almost whenever you want

[tight delta]

It honestly was one of my favorite things to do - just ignoring snipers. Nothing feels worse than sitting around for half an hour and having nothing to show for it.

[unborn smelt]

What i could see is making scope glint situational.

Essentially if the sniper aims too close to a light source it produces glint

That way thered be more skill on both sides

And a much needed buff to light tools

[hazy quartz]

i just wish crytek comes up with some creative way which is not some way of passive handholding but more like give the players a "tool" (not in the literal sense) but something which enables more two sided player interaction in long range fights.

i was also thinking about hats on sticks as decoys or in case we add glint some mirrors on a stick which can glint but also can give additional vision.
might not work as intended, just throwing some ideas.

no it is not impossible

[tribal wyvern]

Snipers already get a massive advantage being on range.
And with long ammo it's an insane distance you can headshot at.

Giving them some disadvantages to wouldn't harm anyone.
I think a glint or something would make sense.
At the moment theres nothing risky with being a sniper.

Shotgunners put themselves at risk, close/medium range rifles do aswell.
But snipers are the only one with no disadvantages

If a guy sits 200m away, GL seeing him.

Even 100m away you're probably not going to spot him

stand still for half a second, doing anything, look at map or hell even walk & you're gone

Also on my "being on range."
I wanna add, it's a range outside of which you'll be able to spot them looking around.

[unborn smelt]

While its true that sniping is very safe - you also got like no chance of actually catching people that are tired of your shit

[tribal wyvern]

Well don't need to "catch them."
Just need to get an agle

angle*

[unborn smelt]

So its low risk

[unborn smelt]

Even then theres plenty counterplay for the team thats not sniping

If the sniper gets a good shot - fair game

[tribal wyvern]

Like?
Pretty much every extraction has open areas around em

[unborn smelt]

True - but you can block Los

[tribal wyvern]

not always

[unborn smelt]

Concertina, firebomb or the good ol staying behind horses and moving a lot

[tribal wyvern]

To give an example is, i think it's Cypress Hut thats bottom left right?
On Bayou map.

That Extraction is impossible to LoS at.
1 Guy in compound & 1 guy at the south east part of that extraction.

And having concertina bomb & extraction phase is probably very rare, you'd more likely use it at some point.

And i mean if you play sniper alot in like trio, you'll place yourself spread out just to get angles

[queen jungle]

@oblique linden Hunt, being a sandbox shooter, offers various way to achieve the primary and secondary objectives of a match (to extract the bounty and to survive). There is nothing wrong with playing passively if it gets you the win.
Regarding excessive camping, the devs have announced they are working on a feature to deal with that.

[tribal wyvern]

Ye i think ppl word themselves odd, but it's not like anyone wants to delete a playstyle (if so they prob need to rethink).
But more wanting a counter playstyle towards it.

[oblique linden]

exactly

[unborn smelt]

So you push one of the single dudes

[slow valve]

u wher right i got the best confirmation i can have , i got shoot by explosiv crossbow at 34 meters and i insta died , so i gess i was not lucky on my shot or his friend lied and he did had bulwak

[tribal wyvern]

Ye and he runs for his life with a stam shot.

[unborn smelt]

They'll likely try and evade you - which means you can dictate where and how to split the team

Allowing you to agian make your way to an extract or corner and kill the lone guy

The biggest issue is running out of meds potentially.
But thats where i'd rather start allowing counterplay.

[tribal wyvern]

Biggest issue is not having seconds left on your scans

vs 3 snipers who keeps minimum of 100m distance

[unborn smelt]

Allowing better scavenging of meds or regaining health bars.

Or the afformentioned glare by lightsources so you can locate em with fuzees and flares

However for me the main part is it needs to be a process that takes effort or smart thinking

And not just a passive nerf to a playstyle the person doesnt like

[tribal wyvern]

Hectic games in Hunt.
But ye i mean everything has a counter play.
Even fanning or hitting a shotgun player makes him miss.

But nothing like that exists for sniper.
There has to be a way for it to not be 100% safe sniping.

And ye glare could exist, im not sure what else honestly.
Can't really add more bushes or more shit to block, at that point sniper is unplayable.

But maybe more ways for me to roughly know where he is before he fires off, could give me opportunities to LOS faster

Without eating a shot before i can avoid him

He holds angle from West, i see a small glare and i can move a bit.
But how exactly to implement it, good question

[unborn smelt]

Yes snipers have that too - you can aimpunch em too, long ammo with irons will be just as lethal albeit harder to hit.

I just think the main issue with snipers and by extention long ammo is the health bar system

[tribal wyvern]

Okey maybe aimpunching a shotgun player was a poor counter to come up with.
But you can sit outside for 55minutes, until they have to run & then chase them with your much stronger range loadout.
And they have to shoot you with their conversions, pax or scottfield or what else they have for their ranged.

But it's not like you can sit inside a boss building & then a magical portal opens up at 5 minutes that teleports you out unless they run in to stop you.

So no matter what, you HAVE to deal with the snipers, how you are able to, just depends on what you have.
But if you do know theres 3 snipers outside you can always leave without the bounty & force them to go in. If they dare to that is.

But even if you have 4 medkits with doctor & 4 vitality shots. You arn't countering them.
Health bar isn't the issue, it's the playstyle.
If there were ways for me to roughly know a location they're at with a glare, like roughly knowing "they're at 255" for example. But without knowing exact position, you can play with that.
But getting shot from somewhere in the woods @ 3 different angles, wtf you meant to do.

And it seems like most counters ppl mention is if you are incredibly lucky with a extraction that gives you that favorable cover or have the perfect consumables.

It's probably less prevalent in duo than trio, because theres 3 ppl who only need to down 1 guy to stop you.
Whereas in duo they're 2.

[unborn smelt]

Well there is the option to know where they are

DSB

From there on you push or leave dependinf on if they're close enough or not

And chasing / leaving is very much a question of Hp /meds because if you even loose 25 a sniper suddenly is a slug shotgun on roids

[tribal wyvern]

A snipers usual style is to stay outside 150m, so your first scan sees nothing. You then start moving, they move closer & starts shooting, at this point you do a 360 to get a general idea of whats going on.

At that point you got 8 scan seconds left.
And if you start running towards extraction, if it was super close, there'll be atleast 2 ppl planted to get an angle.

if it's further away, 1 will chase & shoot ,the other 2 will run to get the perfect angle on your upcoming extraction & ofc save their stam shots for this.

And any shot they hit will slow your team down cuz the guy needs to heal.

[unborn smelt]

So dont take the obvious extract

[tribal wyvern]

But they already know which one you're going for depending on which way you're running

[unborn smelt]

Yes but they cant catch you if thes start 150m +

Unless they get a nice snipe

[tribal wyvern]

They don't stand on the same spot

[unborn smelt]

In which case fair game

[tribal wyvern]

They're spread out

To cover all potential exits.

[unborn smelt]

So you can overrun the single dude

[tribal wyvern]

With what? The guy has stam shot, either you run just as fast or slower

And you gotta catch up to 100+m

[unborn smelt]

Take turns taking shots and gealing up if necessary

[unborn smelt]

No you dont

[tribal wyvern]

Yes

[unborn smelt]

You can try if you want and brought stuff to do so or are good with cover

But if you as a full trio cant get to an extract against a single sniper (because his friends are far away to block otherextracts) snipers aint the issue

[tribal wyvern]

I need to run to the store, closing in 1 hour.
But I can just say, ppl who play snipers all the time, knows wtf they doing.
And doesn't allow themselves to get caught & will sit with multiple stam shots if they have to.

And if hes roughly 100m away, there will always be a cover he can use to not get shot in the back. And lead you to areas where his buddies can take shots

[tribal wyvern]

This im not sure what you mean?

[unborn smelt]

Yes snipers are annoying af if they know how to

[tribal wyvern]

All extractions have big open areas to either sides or behind

Behind cypress is a good example, the spawn point to the east towards Davant has full view of it

[unborn smelt]

Yes but if only 1 is in range to intercept - 2 will be too far to even attempt stopping you

[tribal wyvern]

Theres never only 1 to intercept & again stam shots.
They have loadouts to do exactly this.
You rarely do.

[unborn smelt]

That mrans its 3 against 1 tryibg to extract

And well you can still move and dodge in an extract

[tribal wyvern]

With very small & limited area. Even if 2 ppl can hide, 1 guy is f'd

[unborn smelt]

No

[tribal wyvern]

I think 1 good extract is the plantation

[unborn smelt]

If you fuck up - yes

[tribal wyvern]

by the water

[unborn smelt]

If the sniper is plain better too

But just because extracts are largeky open doesnt mean they're certain death

Boats are largely hard cover so you can hide therevery well

Horses only expose your legs - where you take very little dmg

And 3v1 you as a team can bodyblock for a wounded mate and have 3 times the consumables / tools to use

[fluid locust]

Being a coward isn't a skill set

In fact camping in general isn't a skill set

Literally anyone in the universe can just sit and do nothing

[unborn smelt]

Never said it was - but a coward without a skill like aim is no danger to you, now are they

[fluid locust]

They always are

A shitter can always get lucky lol

[unborn smelt]

nah

I mean so can you

[fluid locust]

I've missed a whole mosin sniper and killed with last bullet a few times

And no not really

Not unless you have a rifle

[unborn smelt]

yes even without a rifle... If they get the drop on you, you in all likelyhood fucked up

[fluid locust]

Even then if they are far away and there's nowhere to go or if they're pincering from multiple angles it's basically impossible

The only counter play is hide in building and hope they get bored or run away and hopefully there's a close extract or they're too far back to catch up

[unborn smelt]

but we're not talking no skill then anymore

we're talking people who successfully employ good positioning, and if they pincer you not camping either

[fluid locust]

It's still a no skill play style

No matter what lol

You just shoot at people who couldn't possibly see you even with dark sight

And have zero risk for major reward

Worst case scenario majority of the time they outrun you and you still get to live

[unborn smelt]

So you're just going back to "It's nothing i like / value so it's no skill" - sry i'm not interested in discussing that, have a nice evening anyway...

[fluid locust]

Lol you do you pal. I've done it before. It's really not hard at all being a rat but if you wanna pretend otherwise to make yourself feel better go right ahead. If they wanted to make it take more skill there could be a counter like increasing dark sight range or adding scope glint. But there's literally no counter atm to being shot at someone you can barely render and almost definitely cannot see.

[digital nacelle]

yeah and the downside is they can’t pursue easily when you change directions

[little carbon]

Aim is not the only skill that is rewarded in Hunt, positioning and outplaying the other team is something that requires strategic skill, which in my opinion is worth way more in Hunt than in a lot of other shooters.
And you can counterplay snipers, as said before, through your own clever use of strategy.
Although I personally don't think a scope glint would hurt, if, and only if, it is only visible on 200m plus when looking towards it.
Helps countering super long range sniping, without hurting people using snipers midrange to exploit small cracks

[tribal wyvern]

How is anything under 200m midrange?

If they're at 50m ye, but 100m+?

[fluid locust]

I would say at least 150 tbh

Anywhere where seeing them would be highly unlikely

• it's outside DSB so maybe you'd have a chance to see them

[tribal wyvern]

I mean even 100m can be straight up impossible to see.
Depending on circumstances

But could start with 150m

[fluid locust]

I miss the old 10 seconds of DSB

Was rarely sniper campers back then lol

Their logic of nerfing dsb so people move more was kinda dumb

People move even less tbh

[rain spruce]

any theories/speculation on when a totally hypothetical potential event is coming?

[tribal wyvern]

I'd say October

[rain spruce]

no summer event? that would be kinda yikes

[fluid locust]

Kinda doubt it

[tribal wyvern]

I mean theres nothing in July.
Earliest is like mid August or late August.

If september, it's to close to Octobers Halloween

[fluid locust]

Unless they have a large content drop to put with an event

[rain spruce]

in that case october's is too close to decembers christmas event

[tribal wyvern]

What?

[fluid locust]

But considering 1.9 is not even live I doubt they'd be in another patch so soon

[tribal wyvern]

October to December is not the same as September to October

[rain spruce]

we are comparing august to october

and october to december

[tribal wyvern]

I wasn't

[rain spruce]

i think an event drops early mid august. i think it would be a miss for them to not do an event

last event was what? late march early april? i dont think it would make basically any sense at all to have ZERO events until october after that

thats way too much down time

especially during the summer of all times

[tribal wyvern]

Ye i agree there, it still looks pretty bleak

No tease, nothing.

[fluid locust]

Nah bro only tease you get is the highly anticipated black market

[brittle forum]

"Highly anticipated " not being mean but this is the most empty thing they could have brought to the game yet.

[fluid locust]

It's called sarcasm lol

[brittle forum]

i know just adding on to it

[fluid locust]

Honestly one of the most cringe things they've done yet

[little carbon]

You can still shoot with irons up to 150 meters.
A compound plus its peripheral area are roughly 300 in diameter. I really dont think scope glint should help you find people that are in the outskirts of your compound. People sniping from a compound over, yes, but anything closer, no. Because you can absolutely find where people are shooting from if they are in that range. Especially taking into account that after hearing a shot from there you should be able to make out the rough area that the shot originated from and then deduct what places are the best cover, therefore the most likely position of the shooter. There is no necessity for people being easily spottable, as long as strategic thinking can help you identify the problematic angles.

[fluid locust]

Literally teased us about a UI change basically

[brittle forum]

i agree, at face value it looks like a cash grab oppurtunity

[tribal wyvern]

Long ammo ye, but compact is not doing anything at that range

barely medium

and even long ammo u need to HS

I also like that some ppl can sit in 150m, just sit & snipe, while you need to run a frikking investigation & deduct positions & plan out a strategic plan to deal with it.

While 3 mofos can just sit & camp

I mean, is there no self reflect on what ppl type?
Ye they can sit in 1 spot, snipe you, but you have to do this, this, this, this, this & this & just figure it out.

And thats fine, no need to nerf that "sit & snipe" strategy.
Like what?

[queen jungle]

@jolly olive Please we already have a weebstick we don’t need 2

Eastern is literally the furthest vibe possible from Hunt

@wispy folio #game-ideas message

@digital nacelle your profile crashes my discord

That an exploit or just an accident?

@foggy tinsel #game-ideas message

This idea has been rejected before. PvP is not the objective and the devs don’t want it to become a main objective. K/D farming is already an annoyance as is, especially long ammo campers.

[jolly olive]

There are multiple eastern hunters and weapons/skins

I have no idea how you can say that

[digital nacelle]

idfk

[queen jungle]

Can you DM me? I have something to show you

[digital nacelle]

sure ig

[queen jungle]

I literally can’t open DMs

[little carbon]

If they just sit and camp they are easily outplayed. My point is that you can do the same (when talking about ranges in the magnitude of compound outskirts) with a non scoped (long ammo, but thats just the ammo type meant for range) rifle.
While I do agree that the just sitting playstyle is unfun to play against (for me) or to play as (for me), i do think that nerfing scopes at that range is the wrong way to adress the problem. It would be a band-aid fix that doesnt address the root of the problem, since it would only hinder scopes from camping, not irons (or close range shotguns for that matter). And in my experience, the super long range snipers are rarely a problem since you can just outrun them (unless you are hellbent on killing them, but then thats not a balance issue), the "i am not going to peek at all" triple mosin irons squads that are sitting at around 120 are mostly creating the matches that take forever with no action.

And while i said that i dont find that fun, maybe they do. And since there are ways to counter that playstyle, be they as boring as they are to us, its not necessarily a balance concern. And if Crytek wants their players to have freedom of choice in their playstyle then that sadly also includes those playstyles. And i do hope that the new anti camping feature is going to help to deter from that.

[tribal wyvern]

Idk what mmr ppl play on but i usually face high 5 to 6 star.
And if theres a full sniper team, you're not outrunning them.
Fortunately it's not super often, more likely to die to iron sight.

They sit far away from compounds covering exits & already planned their routes to each extraction. With stam shots ready to go.
But ye your occasional team that has a sniper in it, most likely won't play like this.

But there is no way to actively counter a sniper team. Your options are to run & hope they miss their shots, thats it.

If you easily outrun them, means they didn't care about the bounty to begin with or rarely snipe at all so they don't know how to place themselves.

I just think each playstyle should have a way to counter them. Sniper just do not have one.
"Running away" is not a counter.

By that logic, every playstyle is defeatable by a spyglass loadout, cuz u can just run away!

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

Can't lose if you don't enter the fight

[unborn smelt]

Running away is indeed a counter, more precisely threatening to leave with bounty. Bounty is the main objective and usually is enough to draw out snipers.

And running away is an option, if you before failed at flanking/pushing, countersniping or drawing them out with a feint, get them running after you and do a fast 180 if they start catching up for example

There are indeed counters, the most basic one is get up close...

How or if you succeesd is a matter of your resources and skill versus theirs

[tribal wyvern]

I dont know what to bring anymore to the conversation. It feels like the standpoint you base your arguments on is that they are dumber than dirt. No sniper runs in a straight line behind u. Its not bout catching up, its about getting an angle on the extract

All they need is an angle, 200m away or 50 doesnt matter

[unborn smelt]

Its not vety difficult to sirvive that...
Just because they get an angle and opportunity doesnt mean they can make it count

[tribal wyvern]

If you play vs 3-4 stars maybe, vs 6star mosin spitzer nah u wont

[unborn smelt]

Since i main melee i choose to nope out very often - and very rarely does it come around to bite me

[unborn smelt]

Yes absolutely

I am a 5-6 star while maining mostly melee. Sure not one of the bonkers ones, not even one of the better half of 6 stars, but then again thats not who you balance a game for primarily

[tribal wyvern]

As said they arent super common. But if they want bounty and not just kd farm. You'll have to be really lucky to survive. Not impossible obviously, as is with anything, u can knife a shotgun player with a bit of luck.

But running away is not a counter.
Its pretty silly to tell ppl , just run away vs anything u face and u counter it, case closed.

Atleast i think arguments for balance goes nowhere if u include that. Counter means imo a way to defeat a playstyle using a strategy that doesnt include using exact same loadout.

And i think sniper has non.
As its far to easy for them to pick off kills and gtfo without ever being in harms way

While any other loadout would in most if not all situations put u in some sort of harms way. Now bushcamping all loadouts can do.
But sniper is the one that can easily do it whenever from 150+m.

It would be nice if something existed like glint to be able to avoid it before a bullet goes through my head and i can say hes west

[unborn smelt]

Issue is how does one define "defeat".

Me winning with the objective is kind of defeating them

Which would make fucking off a viable counter

[paper kernel]

I mean its a perspective thing in the end really
My winning is having a fun match, doesnt matter if I die

[tribal wyvern]

Ye but then nothing is imbalanced cuz u cam just run away cuz no loadout can 100% guarantee kill u at extraction.....

[broken girder]

Hey SA was dropping the players!

Server is kicking us!

in the middle of the match, many guys at discord at same time

[tribal wyvern]

Ye i run away from avto that can shot 1 bullet at a time with no recoil. So its a balanced weapon

Just flee bro

Its sucha moot argument

[unborn smelt]

Imbalanced doesnt mean 100% chance to win tho

[queen jungle]

I’ve surprised trios by doing this as a solo and managed to get out with bounty.

[unborn smelt]

And if the avto does not pursue you well then yes fucking off also counters that pretty well

As does range

[tribal wyvern]

Should buff dolch again

[paper kernel]

I mean Ive seen games torn apart by "balance" arguments
heres a perspective people will hate. balance if often subjective and based on feel and a balanced game will have one play style and one weapon.

[tribal wyvern]

It was never op, ppl just didnt run enough

[unborn smelt]

And in return snipers are countered by being in CqC

[queen jungle]

Ok I was with you but you’re kinda acting wild

[paper kernel]

Honestly trying to snipe ive found positioning to be the greatest weakness, just have minimal lines of sight at you

[tribal wyvern]

If fleeing is a counter and therefor means sniper is fine, then by that logic anything is fine

[queen jungle]

This is mostly true though some changes can obviously be for the better or worse

[paper kernel]

Agreed

[tribal wyvern]

Thats my point

[paper kernel]

Like hell I consider balance I enjoy to be a close to realism as possible

rs2 spoiled me for shotguns

[queen jungle]

@unborn smelt zeppelin isn’t emoting on suggestions

[tribal wyvern]

Ive tried to argue that sniper is in a to good position for a while but all i get from Rango is just to avoid them and run

[queen jungle]

Rising storm?

[paper kernel]

yep!

[tribal wyvern]

Which i dont think is a valid counter. As it applies to literally anything u face

[unborn smelt]

Should be fixed

[paper kernel]

I usally reposition and flank, cut off sightlines

a sniper in the open is dead, a sniper with cover cant see everything

[queen jungle]

Snipers are really annoying, long ammo is definitely the dominant strategy along with shotguns. Whether or not that means they’re overtuned or just people like to snipe is up for debate

[paper kernel]

God honestly the shotguns feel terrible

[unborn smelt]

Best counter to sniping is outmaneuver them or counter snipe

[paper kernel]

^

[tribal wyvern]

Fleeing is an alternative to an unwinnable fight, not a playstyle counter.

[queen jungle]

I don’t think they’re busted but fuck me it sucks to get 200m one tapped by a gunshot I didn’t even hear until I was already dead

[paper kernel]

Oh that happens to me with anything hahaha

[unborn smelt]

You can leverage obhectives to your advantage or bluff

[queen jungle]

He has a point here

[paper kernel]

Not really, depends on what you consider fleeing

[unborn smelt]

But in the end there
wont be a 100% solution.

[paper kernel]

yep

[unborn smelt]

When is it unwinnable tho

[queen jungle]

I don’t really agree with the idea that snipers are super easy to counter because they just aren’t. You can mitigate it but no matter what you’re higher risk than they are

[paper kernel]

then again dont listen to me, my kd ratio is terrible

[tribal wyvern]

Facing snipers anywhere outside a compound is like fghting a shotgun inside a compound

[paper kernel]

I mean I kill them all the time

They are super easy to tunnel vision

bait them and have a teamate flank

[unborn smelt]

I've won against plenty of snipers.
I've lost to plenty.

You're supposed to know when to pursue or flee in Hunt, and generally you flee when your skill isnt enough to beat an enemy

[queen jungle]

Honestly shotguns are easier to fight than snipers

[tribal wyvern]

True

[queen jungle]

A good sniper doesn’t give you an opportunity to fight back at all

[tribal wyvern]

Shotgunners can be wallbanged, blown up, quick peeked on left side, baited out shots by doing a half peek, idk what that translates to snipers

[late wind]

Neither does any other good player, regardless of loadout.

[queen jungle]

But it just isn’t the same

[tribal wyvern]

Anyone is vulnerable inside a compound. But 150m away youre not

[unborn smelt]

Snipers can be pushed, flanked, shots baited to make them reveal position like glare would.

[queen jungle]

Sitting at 100+m with long ammo makes you nigh invincible unless you get third partied. Any attempt to rotate around them makes you a stupidly easy target because cover isn’t designed to extend to open areas

[unborn smelt]

Cover is very much intended to extend around open areas

[queen jungle]

Man that really explains the 150m wide open fields with nothing but haybales everywhere

[unborn smelt]

You're expected to go around open areas not traverse em under sniper fire

[late wind]

^

[queen jungle]

Snipers are not as interactive as other weapons, I don’t see how anyone could really argue against that

[unborn smelt]

Thats why theres usually mounds, bushes and hills

[queen jungle]

People who desperately have something to prove I guess

[unborn smelt]

Were not arguing against that

[queen jungle]

But you are

[late wind]

The maps have been rapidly transformed into paintball courses with cover on cover on cover. If you somehow find a way to die in the open that's on you.

[unborn smelt]

I agree to that fully

But i disagree that theres no counters

[paper kernel]

just be like me and bulldoze like a true Neanderthal

[tribal wyvern]

If pushed they back off, if u start rotating they rotate to, baiting out a shot risks it hitting ur head, and even there u need to put urself at risk of dying just to see where he shot from.

[queen jungle]

No counter isn’t accurate. That we agree on, but there is significantly less. You just hope for the best and dash between really spaced out cover

[unborn smelt]

Good so its about who has better game sense and positioning

[queen jungle]

Shotguns are so easily readable, sniper isn’t

[unborn smelt]

Yes that i do agree on - they have the least counters

[paper kernel]

Not to be rude, But Im feeling its more your playstyle is hardcountered by people sniping. I honestly havnt been killed anymore by snipers then anything else

[queen jungle]

Sitting in brush at 150m deletes most counters from existence unless your team is also running long ammo, your best bet is trying to run or somehow go all the way around without getting spotted at all. It just isn’t gonna happen at sniper ranges

[unborn smelt]

Some more wouldnt hurt either, if they're well implemented

[queen jungle]

You also said you’re in low star where long ammo isn’t common

[unborn smelt]

And not just nerfing a playstyle people dont like

[paper kernel]

oh im sitting around 3 at max level

[queen jungle]

Long ammo needs a change of some sort but I don’t know if outright nerfing it is the answer

[paper kernel]

If i recall thats around avrage

[queen jungle]

Long ammo supremacy is no joke

High star lobbies are all mosin and shotguns

[paper kernel]

huh

[tribal wyvern]

So far thats an assumption u grabbed out of thin air. Can we stop use this argument when no1 has said or advocated for it in any manner

I dont like shotguns that much either but i dont want it nerfed just because either

[queen jungle]

I think everyone needs to simmer down a bit. Nobody is calling for a nerf and nobody is accusing anyone of saying so

Scope glint for long scopes doesn’t exist afaik and if it does my graphic settings are too scuffed to see. It would be an interesting change for marksman and sniper scopes

[unborn smelt]

Tbh i dont think long ammo needs the change...
I think it would help tremendously if you could get lost HP back.
Because as soon as people loose 25 snipers are more powerful than slug shotguns in CQC against that person effectively loosing the primary counter

[queen jungle]

And lebel. Forgot that

[paper kernel]

If anything shotguns need a buff. I dunno what happened to the barrels but D A M N
serious grade "fps shotgun syndrome"

[unborn smelt]

Because the usual counter is Cqc weapons fast TTK to body - but if a sniper one shots it has at least same if not better TTK

[tribal wyvern]

Glint would make sense on marksman and sniper, so they cant comfortably snipe ppl who stands still for .5sec to long or heals etc. With glint a sniper needs to think twice before holding right click for 5 minutes to finally land a headshot with 0 risk

[queen jungle]

I think scopes do, though. Some light glint when looking close to the sniper’s position could potentially make them less frustrating and more readable

[unborn smelt]

Sure it would

But it'd also be a pretty skill ignoring onesided nerf

[queen jungle]

How?

[unborn smelt]

Assuming passive glint

[paper kernel]

would be acceptable if it took sun direction into account

[queen jungle]

You have to look at the sniper almost directly to see it while scoped in

[paper kernel]

would just be another skill layer then

[unborn smelt]

Because you literally just get warned

[queen jungle]

You would already have to know roughly where they are

[unborn smelt]

No skill on your side to eatn the warning

[queen jungle]

To what the warning

[unborn smelt]

None on the snipers to avoid goving a warning

[tribal wyvern]

Ofc it is, u need to payattentiom around u, theres no text to speech telling i

[unborn smelt]

All people always need to pay attention

[tribal wyvern]

You still need to look around to see it. So awareness required. But atleast the info exists

[queen jungle]

That just isn’t true. Good positioning and not scoping in too early. If you have to look almost directly at the sniper, say within 10 degrees, you have to really be looking for them

[unborn smelt]

And seing a glaring light propably doesnt need much

[tribal wyvern]

Ye but paying attention atm doesnt counter a sniper u dont know exists

[queen jungle]

I think someone just loves sniper mosin but who knows

[unborn smelt]

I'm assuming glint like cod or BF as thats often whats refrenced and i dont see anything of you saying otherwise

[queen jungle]

I’m not suggesting massive peripheral glint

[queen jungle]

Literally my first three messages mentioned having to look almost directly at them

Cmon man

[unborn smelt]

Thats important to note then

[queen jungle]

I did. Several times

[queen jungle]

“When looking close to a sniper’s position”

[unborn smelt]

If you did i'm sorry didnt see it

[tribal wyvern]

A sniper can still quickscope or just look. But atm one gets all info, safety & lots of time to shoot you. We just want to shift that a bit,

[queen jungle]

It’s okay

[unborn smelt]

Am in a convo with multiple peeps and am on mobile rn

[queen jungle]

Pretty much this.

[unborn smelt]

Hence my many typos

[tribal wyvern]

Lol same dw

[queen jungle]

It’s alright. It happens

I’m waiting on a ride so I have nothing better to do

[paper kernel]

I just got off work so Im vibing

[unborn smelt]

Yeah i dont want quickscoping -sry.
And info is smth you get with bounty or just as an active team too

[queen jungle]

Quickscoping already exists?

[paper kernel]

Oh right quickscoping is a thing people do in games

huh

[unborn smelt]

As well as sow missinformation if you so desire

[unborn smelt]

Kind of but not really

[paper kernel]

Also may I ask why shotguns are considered op?
they feel well

incredible nerfed

[unborn smelt]

They ohk

[queen jungle]

I’m not even suggesting quickscoping just not being able to sit still in a bush with a scope and be almost 100% invisible

[tribal wyvern]

Can u share how u know theres a sniper team around u?
Cuz thats some insane skill the id liie to know.

[frosty garnet]

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[tribal wyvern]

For real, if they just sneak around and then sit comfortably, how would u ever know?

[queen jungle]

They aren’t. Only shotgun even close is the cringe and king and it’s hugely expensive and has massive ADS recoil. SLUGS on the other hand

[unborn smelt]

Mostly situational awareness and anticipation, and darksight

[paper kernel]

They miss usally, or I bait myself out for my team to find a source.

spread out, dont bunch up

[queen jungle]

Shotguns are stronk in compounds, except slate buck. Slate buck can bite me

Slate with buck is just nerfing yourself

[tribal wyvern]

So you walk arou d doung random baits just incase theres a sniper team?

[unborn smelt]

Lastly and often a bit too late, if they shoot and prefereably not HS you

[queen jungle]

Worst melee in the game

[unborn smelt]

I need to head out,sry

[paper kernel]

Na works on everyone, not just snipers

[unborn smelt]

Gotta work in 5 hours

[tribal wyvern]

So you walk into a compound, get into a fight, then with ur awareness spot the sniper team 150m away?
Im impressed.

[queen jungle]

Not even joking would genuinely rather run bomb lance than slate buckshot. At least bomb lance can actually kill people in CQC

[queen jungle]

See you

[paper kernel]

I also love flanking out and blowing out a barrel

makes head peek, people get twitchy, make mistakes

good way to ring the bell

[unborn smelt]

No i keep note of where i hear what shots, where i made sound and where i'd go as a sniper

And based on that i plan my route with max. Visual cover

Now tho gn8

[queen jungle]

But that’s just guesswork at best

[queen jungle]

Gn8

@sage slate Shotguns aren’t overpowered. They’re generally unreliable past 7m without slugs, excluding the Romero and sometimes the specter

Shotguns are very easy to read, they’ll be super eager to tight rush you around a corner, keep them at 15m if you can

Just back away from corners you’re holding and always be ready for a shotgun push

[sage slate]

Dude I know how to keep a shotgun away from me...Im talking about the dude that waits for you behind the house in the middle of the woods, gets out of cover and kills you with a specter at 11m, today I have been killed by all the shotguns at max range, minus the slate. Im way too salty about this. No slugs..everytime I was like "ah goddamn slugs", but there were never slugs for crying out loud lmao. Anyway dont mind me, im just too salty tonight man

The pinnacle is the Romero that killed me from top of fort...yea i get it some pellets hit my head nice.. but cmonm, top of fort romero kills you? damn

[hazy quartz]

just bringing back my old statement i made a few hours ago, nerfing sniper is not the answer, but players need another way to counter snipers without it being a "rock, paper, scissors situation" but more who can better utilize their "tools" they have at their disposal, so something which needs skill to utilize.
something so we have the option to fight them instead of running.
scope glint was brought up, but not everyone was happy with it, maybe we need something else we haven't thought about yet.

first we need to identify why sniper are so frustrating to fight, which from my point of view is mainly:

we need long ammo to fight back if they fully utilise their range. (this can not always be changed by the player once the match has started)

we need to find them to fight them, because we don't know where they are if they are not shooting and are decent at hiding/stealth/repositioning.
we can make assumptions about their position but it gets harder to find them if they fall back once you push them.

we need to be able to push them so you can fight them if you don't have long ammo yourself.

darksight boost is not sufficient if they stay out of dsb range and we eventuall run out of dsb.
I really have no idea how to solve these points of frustration. Glint might be a good compromise if it is only limited.
but this solves partially only the part of the problem how to find them, not the problem that they are hard to push if they keep falling back.

[paper kernel]

God I know its terrible. If youve ever handled a real shotgun much, hunt feels more like your throwing a handful of beads in the wind rather then having a gun.

[queen jungle]

I do handle real firearms but I also acknowledge that the game would be wildly unbalanced if shotguns were anywhere close to realistic. Right now they’re a good class of guns but if slugs get nerfed slate’s gonna need something to stay competitive I feel

[paper kernel]

I honestly woulnt mind if they decreased the damage so the range doesn't feel like I could probably use a sword anyway.

Its honestly joke tier

[queen jungle]

Shotguns WOULD feel horrible then

Hunt isn’t a realistic game. It was never meant to be more than cosmetic realism as far as I can tell shotguns had to be nerfed because they genuinely were overpowered

I like the role they fill now even if it can make building sweeps a little too friendly

Imagine if the Romero couldn’t one shot to the chest anymore but had longer range. That would be painful

At best it’d be discount slugs

At worst it would be worse than the rival by a really significant margin

[hazy quartz]

yeah if shotguns would lose their oneshot potential they would be just worse than compact ammo weapons.

[queen jungle]

Caldwell and terminus would be the only thing people used. Slugs would be even more dominant

[hazy quartz]

yeah

[queen jungle]

It’s just not a good fit for Hunt.

Shotguns did actually used to be better, that got stamped out quickly for good reason. They were even more widely used than they are now

[hazy quartz]

yeah i remember the time when buckshot still did bleeding damage

[queen jungle]

And my god they were broken. I watched some streamers frequently during the dark times of Hunt and the effective range was just a suggestion

I didn’t realize they had been nerfed and I went in with unrealistic expectations with my rival and paid for it in full

Romero’s effective range is still just a suggestion tbf. Been one tapped out to 24m by romero buck

If they get lucky heads it’s almost like slugs

[hazy quartz]

i heard in the current patch buckshot halves it's damage every 2 meters or so beyond max. effective range and this statement seems to be true if the damage spreadsheets are to be trusted.
but i don't know when it was changed to be like that.
personally i was killed maybe +1 meter beyond max range but not much further than hat.

[paper kernel]

Hmmm, mabye Im just having no luck with them then

Its just a genuine pet peeve of mine in games

If I wanted cotton candy past 2 feet shotguns Id play Tf2

[hazy quartz]

you need to hit center mass, a hitmarker does not mean you did full damage, limb hits do massively reduced damage and the damage from shotguns with buckshot is very range sensitive. handcannons usually have terrible range. except romero handcannon.
these are the most common issues why people are doing bad with them. many are fully capable of killing players up to 12 meters, the full size romero even up to 15m

[paper kernel]

huh. I dunno mabye they arnt for me then

[hazy quartz]

maybe

[paper kernel]

shit like that pulls me right out of a game

[burnt mulch]

try slugs 🙂

[fluid locust]

Agreed. Snipers are extremely oppressive. I mean it's mainly a long ammo issue but any sniper can be deadly with no risk.

With rof buff centennial sniper might become very used finally as well

[fluid locust]

The main problem is that snipers are oppressive. They simply dominate without competition unless you have a sniper too. Buffing DSB range and giving glint would be a good first step. Tbh Hunt devs need to ignore the community sometimes about what they think for the sake of balance because community always thinks everything will be make or break.

Such as people thinking serpent and Necro would break the game and be extremely op

Or that the bow was op lmao

The community is not always exactly the most reliable source

Not to mention snipers are a big problem in high ELO and don't affect majority of players. And is mostly a PC problem as it's harder to aim on console

[cursive lava]

Tbf, I feel like the devs ignore the community most of the time…

[paper kernel]

I feel it less the issue of long ammo and more of an issue of other guns having nerfed range

[burnt mulch]

tomato tomato, it's about the range discrepancy.

[paper kernel]

I mean it fits

smokeless wasnt a game changer irl as a joke

also might I ask what DSB stands for?

[burnt mulch]

darksight boost

the walls you get from having bounty

[paper kernel]

oh ok

[paper kernel]

This has been seen in many games, to the point of killing many.
a third of the time it amounts to "nerf thing I dont like", a third of the time its playstyle issues, and the other third is something is actually off

then you get a nerf spiral till the game is a COD time to kill fest

[fluid locust]

I mean cod doesn't typically have one shot headshots unless on snipers

Hunt technically has a faster ttk

Because a headshot can kill you instantly

Also most guns two shot and any fast shooting gun will kill you fast in hunt

[hazy quartz]

if we would listen to every complain every weapon in the game would be op/broken/underpowered. so we have to distinguish between valid complaints or complaints which come from someone who is just mad/venting or not experienced enough to make a clear judgement (but even feedback from someone who is inexperienced is useful, because then we know some mechanics are not obvious to the new player)

[paper kernel]

I meant the opposite, long ttk games are bad.

very bad

hunt has a very good feel on that

If I get hit it feels like I got shot and vise versa

not a airsoft fight of 50 rounds to the face and not calling hits

[queen jungle]

TF2s shotguns don’t have terrible range but the spread and already non-primary base damage can make it feel worse.

They are a secondary unless you’re playing Scout or Engie, but Engie just gets base shotgun

If you mean titanfall then idk those shotguns are ass

[paper kernel]

Consider my baseline good shotgun is rising storm 2

where I have gotten killed from about 60 to 80 meters before. with buck

[queen jungle]

In rising storm it’s one thing because it’s arguably worse than rifles in almost every way but pretty much everything is a OHK to the chest

[paper kernel]

Hmm true enough

mabye i just need to cope and use it like a spear with ammo and not a gun I guess

[queen jungle]

It’s significantly longer reach than a spear, worse than a bow or hunting bow

Except slate buck and handcannons. Those things are basically just loud melee weapons

[paper kernel]

i really must be aiming odd then

[queen jungle]

You get a feel for their effective ranges through trial and error mostly but it’s wayy easier with a team to revive you if you fuck up

I have no friends so I learned the hard way, by going back to the recruit hunter screen

[atomic sky]

sniper rifles should be absolutely useless unless your in a nest or your target is stationary. I don't care how much skill it takes to pull off a flick shot, it has no place in the game

[paper kernel]

I usallly play with a team, hell will be on with a streamer tonight. you think at max level id have figured the shotguns out

[queen jungle]

How many hours?

[paper kernel]

uhh gimme a sec

[queen jungle]

Because of how difficult Hunt is to play and the nature of permadeath it’s harder to get a feel for guns

[paper kernel]

117.2

[queen jungle]

You just don’t use them as much

[queen jungle]

About the same actually

[queen jungle]

(Guns in general that is)

[paper kernel]

true by far

[tight delta]

Trials and training modes are alright for getting a feel on your weapons. Though they're far from being ideal.

[paper kernel]

doenst help I have bad wrists so I more aim at a player less at regions on a player

[queen jungle]

I really just wish we could play solo /custom rounds without progression so people could practice a REAL game and not a static training mode

[paper kernel]

Honestly id want only like 3 things

[tight delta]

Nicholls Prison trial is a good one for quick practice with Mosin. Kill the immolator, but don't banish it. Lots of grunts start spawning all around you, and you get infinite ammo from the ammo boxes.

[paper kernel]

a team version of quickplay could be fun

[tight delta]

Yeah.

[paper kernel]

all the attachment for all guns that could realistically have them, but as an option for people who dont want it

and one that others will hate hahaha
I want long term building and territory control mode

[queen jungle]

It might be. Time limit is already a bit steep with just solos though. One long gunfight and you don’t even have time to activate the wellspring let alone win the game before you get flambe’d

[paper kernel]

oh yeah its more

i like finding the gear, after a while you have no reason to use say the winfield

so it forces you to try new styles

[queen jungle]

I think wellspring should drain at half speed when not activated personally. If you get into one long gunfight you’re not going to be able to get all the clues in time. God forbid someone activates it far away

QP is real fun but it’s not perfect

[paper kernel]

agreed

[queen jungle]

Luckily I think it tries to spawn people closer. Or maybe that’s just the result of there effectively being 12 ‘teams’ to spawn at different locations

[paper kernel]

I just have the issue where its hard to play many games

its not pleasent when you usally die so fast and do nothing

I like how the regular mode like, it always says you have a way out

its always an option

[queen jungle]

It’s what makes , or I guess made hunt unique. It’s an extraction shooter not a battle royale

The objective is just to survive

[paper kernel]

I love it

the feeling of choice

give each death more purpose

you always had the option to leave, this was a direct result of your choices

[queen jungle]

Exactly

When I go for a grand slam and lose my bounty tokens and 3 kills, it’s my fault. I could have gone for extract with the first token and had a much lower chance of running into people

[paper kernel]

exactly

or you can always leave if you get messed up early on

anyway i go play now ttyl

[queen jungle]

Like when a hellhound bites an immo and you get fucked

Instantly lose a bar. Not worth staying because high star is long anno hell

[hazy quartz]

if your wrists are bad have you tried to switch to aiming with your forearm? i mean legit, you might even have to lower sensivity and readjust for a while, but it might be worth it.

[queen jungle]

I do both, depends on what's happening

forearm for wide sweeps, wrist for small adjustments

I have bad arthritis, genetically passed down

mans's only 20 and I got arthritis already

[hazy quartz]

oh

[queen jungle]

One of many reasons I will never have kids, what kinda sick fuck willingly passes this shit down a generation

@hot python They make more money when the majority of the "earned" blood bonds never actually get added to your account, so they're incentivized to keep the current system as it is

I do like your idea, don't get me wrong, but crytek is a corporate structure and profit comes before anything and everything

[hot python]

Yeah. For me, swapping the weekly challenge for summons has maybe pushed things too far. I don't really mind having some features and fun bonuses behind sizable Blood Bond price tags as long as there is a reliable and hopefully fun way to actually earn them. Properly balanced, this creates a system of rewards and incentives people to play, certainly gave me something to focus on. I like the extract streak system and Mr Chary system as bonuses for playing a lot, but now with Summons swapped in for weekly challenge, rewards only come if you play a huge amount of hours in a week, and I have found the threshold is way too high for me. Without those 25 BB bumps from the weekly challenges that were actually doable, for an average player unlocking skins and roster slots is just so much more grind. I didn't realize how much the weekly challenge system was driving me to keep playing - it was a sizable reward and often actually pushed me to do something different or fun (have to shoot 40 immolators = bows all day). I have found myself much less inspired to play recently because all I'm left with is grind = play the game the same way over and over. Grind to unlock weapons, grind to unlock roster slots and get cool skins, grind through events, maybe grinding through a prestige.

[queen jungle]

Holy crap you're still typing

Ah there we go

What amazing timing

[queen jungle]

I've really tried grinding the absolute hell out of the weeklies but it's really hard to hit that star threshhold

It's a pretty absurd time investment in a week just to get 25bbs, and crytek knows that

They don't expect people to actually complete them, that's the point

It's like the go kart at an arcade

you're meant to look at it, hope for it, but not actually acquire it

[hot python]

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one, I was wondering if I was just doing it wrong

[queen jungle]

NOBODY wins the go-kart

I think that really is just the most apt comparison, that weekly BB reward is the go-kart at an arcade.

[hot python]

Yeah

[queen jungle]

They want people to play more so they're more likely to spend money through BBs to unlock an extra slot, or skins, or DLCs

So they give you a really hefty grind for practically nothing meant to keep your butt in the seat

It's the same design philosophy mobile games use

I'm not saying that's inherently wrong or anything, crytek is a company and they're not doing anything illegal, but it is really unsatisfying to see from a player's perspective who's privvy to a lot of these monetization practices in action

[hot python]

Yeah I agree. It's tough. What makes me stay invested is more diversity and challenge to gameplay. When I am invested and enjoying the game, I will occasionally buy a DLC to support the game creators, and because I know I will actually use the DLC content because I wont get bored of the game in a week. But that gameplay diversity costs money to implement.

[queen jungle]

I tried really hard to grind out the weekly, it's definitely possible but it takes a pretty beefy chunk of time dedicated exclusively to quests

[hot python]

I just worry they are leaning too far into the shiny go-kart method, and away from the if you build it they will come method. Even though the rollout of the new grunt types wasn't super smooth, and maybe we were wishing for more elaborate new monsters, I really applaud them for adding the new content. That draws in new players and increases engagement. But the pay wall is becoming more and more visible at the same time, and I worry that no one new is going to jump into the game when it is such a grind

[queen jungle]

If it weren't for the trait removal costing BBs thing I'd be a lot more accepting of the new monetization stuff, even the RNG in the black market

But it's pretty clear Crytek is trying to squeeze the playerbase, they've even directly said blood bonds aren't performing as well as they hoped

Which is kinda their fault, they've got BBs competing DIRECTLY with DLC

Like ofc BBs are going to fall behind

[sick anvil]

for the summons . its more a repeat the same summon until you got the weekly reward fastest that i done it is by Tuesday

[queen jungle]

Meathead one is a pretty fast way, you can usually get it done once per game

Especially in quickplay where noise doesn't matter so much

Hunter XP is also an alright passive way to get stars

The thing is they've made the legendary summon give you way more stars, and usually they require DLC skins

It's kinda obvious what the intent is

[sick anvil]

no need to remind me i was the one calling that out when it went to test server

[queen jungle]

Crytek doesn't listen when it comes to monetization, they just plain don't care

They listen on every other front, but monetization criticism is met with diversionary corporate speak

I get it, it's a pretty small company, but it really does bring up some concern for the long term health of the game

[sick anvil]

#feedback message

[queen jungle]

If the game goes F2P I'd be worried, without massive changes to the anti-cheat to make it more robust like CS:GO did with VACNET it'd be really hard to keep up with the influx of cheaters, cheaters already don't get banned for months on end

[queen jungle]

Yeah, I really wish they could find a different way to incentivize BB purchases that don't involve freemium mechanics in a paid game

[sick anvil]

they wonder why BB is not being bought enough because BB skins cost more than DLC

dlc gives you 4 skins for now 9.99 but one nice BB skin is 9

wonder why people do not tend to spend bbs

[queen jungle]

Not to mention the DLC is just directly competing

Having two different monetization systems directly competing is inevitably going to favor the one that includes more content, the DLCs

The only time I've bought BBs was when a DLC bundle was being sold for like 300 BBs semi recently

I don't remember which one

[sick anvil]

Eh

last time i spent bbs on a skin was one of the legendary hunters

i think that is quite a while ago

[queen jungle]

I've only bought a microtransaction once and it was to buy that bundle. 3 dollars BB cost or 9 dollars DLC when it stopped being sold for BBs

Figured I might as well

[sick anvil]

i think i bough BBs once back in 2020

[queen jungle]

Although, there's something to be said about the devs knowing they can afford to sell the DLC for less, and just don't

Really makes you 🤔

[sick anvil]

i sit on 6K bbs just from playing

and not spending them

[queen jungle]

Yeah they need to do something to make BBs actually worth purchasing

After 200-300 hours you're flush

I think it takes more than that to get all the skins in the store but you'll get all of what you actually want before then

[sick anvil]

if they went back to 300 bb per gun skin and 500bb per hunter it would be in a better place still to expensive but better than now 700-1000

[queen jungle]

Yeah idk man

I don't claim to have the solution, but I really strongly think that it's not what they're doing now

[sick anvil]

if you would ask me in 2020 I would have said 100 and 300

Well just to think that early 21 skins cost less than new ones with black market 20% discount

[queen jungle]

The black market being full of RNG is just bad

[sick anvil]

black market is wrong on so many levels

first you spend bbs on getting a differend deal

you literally pay for changing one RNG for a different one

if you have 50 hunter slots full you get stuck on a legendary hunter skin

it is clear that they hire mobile game devs to run monetization

every new system has built in one time bb purchases

Load-out slots summons . some have reoccurring bb spend like mr charry with 4 th roll

[queen jungle]

The loadout slots and summons I don't really care about, you can get the loadout slot for free and the summons don't technically have an impact on gameplay, unless you consider cheap tools and tier 1 trash weapons to be P2W

But I do agree on the rolling out new purchases with a BB purchase

[sick anvil]

Well as a player that plays regularly you see them as individual instances

if you look at the new player experience as a whole

[queen jungle]

They're definitely nickel and diming new players, and they're adding straight up noob traps like weapon cleaning by making your guns start dirty

Guns didn't start dirty before, but then they made it so legendary guns start clean and well

There you go

The squeezing isn't exactly subtle, and while it's not necessarily "wrong", it does show a concerning trend

[sick anvil]

imagine you buy the game today not knowing . you load in trainee mode gives you some bbs and bam first add slap in you face news feed

[queen jungle]

Yep, first thing you see if a bunch of ads for monetization

The first time I loaded up the game that left a nasty taste in my mouth

Game I paid $40 for is already trying to sell me shit and I haven't even played the tutorial

[sick anvil]

Wait news feed pops before training ?

[queen jungle]

Yes sir

That's the first thing you see

Game was trying to sell me skins before I even knew how to aim down sights

[sick anvil]

wow

that is nasty

[hot vigil]

Correction they hired a former WoT monetization designer

[queen jungle]

Did they fucking really

That explains so so much

[sick anvil]

for real ?

[hot vigil]

Yes? Kseniia Karpushina, she featured on some of streams.

[sick anvil]

i saw her but did not look in to her background

[queen jungle]

Jesus christ

No wonder

[sick anvil]

but if she worked on WoT then it makes sense

[queen jungle]

Crytek's really looking for mobile game monetization

How long ago was she hired? Was this recent? I wouldn't pin it on her, but if she got hired then it does show kind of what crytek is looking for above all

[hot vigil]

Well her work at Lesta Studio was a Game Designer, but she did a lot of different stuff there.

[hot vigil]

1st of Nov, 2021.

[queen jungle]

I don't want to drag a dev's name through the mud just because they worked on a P2W trash heap, unless they actively contributed to it becoming so

[hot vigil]

Eh, she got hired to do her job, I have no ill will about such

It was Crytek choice to hire someone in to work on monetization.

[queen jungle]

So they're actively heading monetization rn?

[sick anvil]

they been trying that for longer than her hire

[hot vigil]

Well all the information is available public on her Linkedin profile.

[sick anvil]

lets not forget light my fire evert was first to include a 1K bb skin

[queen jungle]

A yes or no would have sufficed

[hot vigil]

This is the history

[queen jungle]

Yikes

Okay so they probably are directly to blame for the freemium shit in the black market and summons

[hot vigil]

Nah, that is Crytek themselves that is that.

Don't pin on the person.

[queen jungle]

Hard to say, crytek is probably pressuring them about BBs and this is just where they took it

so it's likely a bit of both

[sick anvil]

While brunt of the fault is on the company .
Part blame is on the person your work experience defines your decisions how to achieve the goals you are given

[queen jungle]

"responsible for maximizing revenue and audience"

Jesus christ

[queen jungle]

This appears to be a bit of a rough translation,

[sick anvil]

Because the Suits in the company will not tell you how to achieve your goals they will just give you a target a quota and its up to you how to achieve them

[hot vigil]

Exactly my point. Crytek choose to seek out a hire for such position.
The hire is just doing their job tbh.

Like you hire a bartender to pour alcohol, ain't the bartenders fault for doing that job imo.

[queen jungle]

Suppose so