feedback-discussion

[inland ravine]

I'm using logic bud

[nova canyon]

Logic has no reality in a game about vodoo magic

[inland ravine]

I can show you where in the stream they said the change was for area denial

you want that?

[burnt mulch]

Logic still works with voodoo magic, there's just different rules...

[lethal oyster]

What about this then. Voodoo magic, right?

[nova canyon]

No, i've seen it, and like we said earlier, it does better area denial, so the trade off works

[inland ravine]

didn't say it was about the game. it was about the development of the game. you're not even funny anymore. And like i said, i don't like bullying minors. please refrain

[burnt mulch]

you just said it was a tradeoff

so the tradeoff is....
Pros: It has better area denial
Cons: It burns hunters better

[nova canyon]

Yeah, it has trade off, but that's how design works, they have pros and cons, and it seems that the pro, wich is area denial, won, against the fact that it burn hunter better

[inland ravine]

you can have the area denial, and allow hunter to put out there friend. literally a solution to the entire problem with zero negatives. please attempt to counter that argument. its funny to watch you try

[burnt mulch]

ok, and we're saying that maybe we should find some more ways to mitigate the cons.

[nova canyon]

you can't make a choice that will make everyone happy

[burnt mulch]

that's not an excuse to keep people unhappy when there might be things you can do about it.

[lethal oyster]

If a mate is getting burned, not having choke bombs doesn't have any pros. It's just cons.

[nova canyon]

that's not area denial if you can just walk in that area to pick up someone who had zero hp a few second before

[burnt mulch]

what?

[inland ravine]

you get lit on fire. and have to retreat and put it out. opening you to a push... how is that not risk/reward. try again

[burnt mulch]

oh.

you're thinking of area denial as "denying the area around the corpse"

[inland ravine]

i said put out. not pick up. try again

[nova canyon]

that's part of area denial

[burnt mulch]

it still denies the area around the corpse though?

[inland ravine]

he's defending hardcore burning. he care's not about the tools actual use. he likes the body burning

[nova canyon]

Area denial is denying an area, around a corpse or in front of a door is the same thing

[burnt mulch]

how would you use a firebomb for area denial then?

I can just run through it and get lit on fire

[inland ravine]

thats why he is defending it.

[nova canyon]

denying a revive by setting it on fire is area denial

[burnt mulch]

that's not..

that's not area denial.

[nova canyon]

It is

[burnt mulch]

a revive is not area...

[inland ravine]

see. the truth comes out. he doesn't comprehend this issue well enough.

[burnt mulch]

hell, it's not even revive denial

[nova canyon]

Prove me it's not, you are denying an area, wich contain a body, wich is set on fire because there's fire in that area

[burnt mulch]

....

[lethal oyster]

You're denying an action more than denying an area. The point isn't that you can't move there necessarily. The point is you can't do a revive

[nova canyon]

but to do said revive you have to move in said area

[burnt mulch]

ok so if you were able to put out a body in a fire, is the firebomb still doing area denial?

[nova canyon]

wich is a denied area

[nova canyon]

yes, but thing is, you can't put out a body because it's in an area of fire

[inland ravine]

like i said. just don't automatically reignight the body after its been extinguished. problem solved. the only one who wouldn't agree with that is someone who covets the hardcore burning aspect of the item which is what we are saying is poorly designed. he likes that part

[nova canyon]

And fire burns

[lethal oyster]

Point is, without chokes, there is simply no counterplay. Which is bad. What's your counter argument? Is it just supposed to be bad since you can't please everyone?

[burnt mulch]

why not? as a game designer you can make the choice that only the explosive start of a fire sets a hunter on fire.

[native lodge]

just take chokes

or get burnt

[inland ravine]

I have to take chokes now

[native lodge]

good

you should be

[inland ravine]

thats what i don't like is my choice being shoehorned into that item

[native lodge]

you don't have to take them

just like you don't need a medkit

[burnt mulch]

😐

[native lodge]

but you suffer for being under equipped

[burnt mulch]

imagine having nuance in a discussion channel.

[native lodge]

thats on you

[inland ravine]

i run chokes 9/10 games. before. now i run them 10/10 becuase of firebombs just exisitng. thats bad.

[lethal oyster]

You do if you don't want to sacrifice either you teammate or like 100 burnt HP combined

[burnt mulch]

yes, you aren't literally forced to at gunpoint by Crytek.
his point is that not taking chokes is so punishing that it's "forced" by design.

[nova canyon]

You are again making assumption that i burn corpses. And i already said that i only burn corpses when i need the other people to make a move. So again, i don't care about people burning for 4 minutes or even for 10. If it's my mate i'll get them up anyway, if it's my ennemy, it's just a dead ennemy i won't loot

[inland ravine]

bayou just say you like to burn bodies, instead of ductaping a bad arguement together

[nova canyon]

I don't like it, i just don't care

[burnt mulch]

striker you really gotta simmer down on the personal attacks.

[nova canyon]

if it has to burn to make a long ammo boy run for it's friends life, it will burn

[inland ravine]

the things you say make me think you've only watched this game and not played it. honestly

[nova canyon]

If it has to burn to force a shotgun out of a house, it will burn

[inland ravine]

are you like a 1.2-3 ish player?

[burnt mulch]

just get married already.

[lethal oyster]

Oh god

[inland ravine]

nah I'm not a pedo

[nova canyon]

bruh

[inland ravine]

LMAO! THE KID PULLED HIS HOURS!!!

[lethal oyster]

Burning itself isn't the issue, again. Being forced into bringing choke bombs is

[inland ravine]

LMFAO

this is golden

we did it guys...

[lethal oyster]

Pls stop. You make us all look like asses

[inland ravine]

alright I'm out

[native lodge]

you're right I do like burning bodies, hit the dirt get burnt

[inland ravine]

i respect that arguement

thats all bayou had to say.

instead he's posting his hours

[nova canyon]

I don't like or dislike burning bodies, again, it's there, i do it if needed

If you don't like it, you do you

But don't say it's bad design when you are not a game designer

Thanks

[inland ravine]

don't say it's good design. you are not a game designer

[nova canyon]

I didn't say it's good design, i just said it's a design choice they made

[lethal oyster]

Still going past the point. Burning itself isn't the problem. But I kept repeating that and folks are happier just to throw mud at each other.

[inland ravine]

you did say it was good game design when you poorly defended it for an hour.

[nova canyon]

i'm litterally saying that it's there, deal with it and get better

[inland ravine]

no i agree with almost everything you said.

[lethal oyster]

Could say the same thing about the lemat bug for instance

It's there, just get good and deal with it lol

That is not an argument

[nova canyon]

But Lemat bug is not a choice, it's a bug, so yeah it sucks

[lethal oyster]

How do you know this isn't an unintended side effect? Are you a dev?

[inland ravine]

bayou how many hours did you play to get so good you can counter firebombs without chokes?

[lethal oyster]

Point is, both are bad. Maybe not equally so, but still

[inland ravine]

show me again

[nova canyon]

They stated that it was a bug and reverted it

Wich make it, not a design choice

lol

[lethal oyster]

I'm talking about the fire thing. Sorry if that wasn't clear

[nova canyon]

Because they knew that when you make fire burns for 4 minutes, it will actually burns for 4 minutes

[lethal oyster]

This might well be unintended and subject for change. Crytek changes a lot over time. I honestly expect this to be one of those things because it really is a problem

[inland ravine]

again, just let me put the body out manual. entire problem solved with zero negatives. issue resolved. it's that easy

[nova canyon]

And then you'd make burning body non existent

Since you just have to run trough fire, press F and go away

[lethal oyster]

No

[inland ravine]

that was always the case, until firebombs...

you didn't know that. after all this?

[nova canyon]

Yes, you'd have, because if you change it for firebomb, you'd have to change it for EVERY OTHER FIRE

Oil puddle ? Useless

[lethal oyster]

You can do the same thing right now if the body was burnt by a hellfire. The pressure is still very much there. Chokes are still the better option but they're not required necessarily

[nova canyon]

Lantern ? Useless

[nova canyon]

But Hellfire does not leave a fire, it just create an explosion

[inland ravine]

i'm not saying for puddles. I'm you die in those by mistake. players chose to use firebombs

he can't comprehend the issue here.

[lethal oyster]

That's right, it still burns bodies. But it's still not useless for that purpose, is it?

[inland ravine]

the player has to run up to the buddy.. it's literrally always been like this

[nova canyon]

But what you don't understand, is that if you change it for Firebomb, you'd have to change it for puddles

[inland ravine]

No, thats not true. you can change 1 item and not the other.

[lethal oyster]

Why though? Water is the exception to a rule. Why can't oil be?

[inland ravine]

puddles aren't a real problem firebombs are. they just nerfed uppercut. does that mean they have to nerf all long ammo. no. use your head bud

[half stag]

you can't though cause crytek loves their consistencies in everything

[nova canyon]

It's not useless in that purpose, but again, the longer time of firebomb is actually there to make an alternative to the hellfire

[half stag]

long pistol is separate from long rifle drop off, so they can change it seperately

[inland ravine]

it still burned for 4 min.

you just have to risk burnin your feet to save your buddy. then hop out. rez him later once you've 1v2'd

[nova canyon]

You can't because fire zone setting bodies on fire are actually the same thing for every fire zone

[lethal oyster]

But this has the knock on effect of pretty much forcing choke bombs. Do you think this is good?

[nova canyon]

It, again, doesn't force choke bombs

[inland ravine]

i'm done this kid is laughably dense.

[nova canyon]

Nobody put a gun to your head and tell you to run choke bombs

[lethal oyster]

The only alternative is so bad that it may as well do tbh

[digital nacelle]

@winged flint the slight obstruction is due to that skin being a talon variant

luckily talon is apparently going to be quite good next patch

[lethal oyster]

I kind of hate that argument. I mean even if someone did threaten you with a gun, you still wouldn't be forced, right? Technically you still have the choice to just die. So no pressure, right?

There are tradeoffs that are just not worth making. Leaving you mate to burn out is one of those

[nova canyon]

if you died, you made a mistake somewhere else

I, again, never run choke bombs

[lethal oyster]

That has no relevance

[nova canyon]

It has, if i was forced too, i'd have them

[burnt mulch]

again, you're not literally forced to, it's just really really shit if you don't.

[nova canyon]

Why don't i feel like shit if i don't ?

[lethal oyster]

Well in that case you're prepared to be punished in a situation like that. That's fine with me, it really is. It's just not a tradeoff many people are willing to make

[burnt mulch]

you're not literally forced to bring a medkit either, but it's really really shit if you don't.

[lethal oyster]

You might just be an exception

[nova canyon]

Laughably enough, i went out without medkit and melee in the morning lol

[burnt mulch]

good for you.

[nova canyon]

And i'm not the single one

[burnt mulch]

you're free to make whatever suboptimal choices you want, but what's wrong with buffing a suboptimal choice?

if a gun is weak, why not buff it?

if not bringing chokes is weak, why not buff it?

[nova canyon]

Because we are not talking about a gun

Because we are actually talking about fire setting things on fire

[lethal oyster]

It's fine if it does. There should be a counter play that doesn't require chokes and isn't analogous to suicide.

[burnt mulch]

we're talking about a choice between two things, one of which is better than the other.

[nova canyon]

But wich, is still a choice

[burnt mulch]

ok.

[nova canyon]

Chosing a melee tool his mandatory, buff no melee please

[burnt mulch]

let me give you a choice between getting $100 and getting $1.

is that a choice?

[nova canyon]

Yes it is

[lethal oyster]

Just as much as it's a choice to just die if you're threatened with a gun. Sure it's a choice. Just a bad one hardly anyone is willing to make

[burnt mulch]

then how about this

we don't have to use the word "forced"

[nova canyon]

You are taking that game too seriously, you will not be dying if you burn in a video game bro, chill out

[burnt mulch]

we can say "bringing choke bombs is very powerful given the mechanics of the game. Please make not bringing chokes a better option"

do you still have a problem with that statement?

[lethal oyster]

We call that an analogy. I'm not saying you'll literally die. Stop derailing the conversation.
I'm trying to make a point and make it clear so we can agree on a principle here.

[nova canyon]

But then, by making NOT BRINGING chokes a better option, you'd just make choke useless, wich is bad design, because you put something in a game that no one use

[nova canyon]

But your analogy don't work, your life is still not at stake here

[burnt mulch]

not bringing chokes is already the worse option.
We're saying that you have a choice between $100 and $1. Please make the $1 choice $50 instead.

[lethal oyster]

It doesn't have to be for the analogy to hold up

[burnt mulch]

how does that make chokes useless?

if you can tap out a hunter in fire, chokes let you tap them out without setting yourself on fire or putting yourself in danger

that's still an upside to bringing chokes

[nova canyon]

BEcause if not bringing chokes is the better option, chokes are useless

[burnt mulch]

we're not saying to make not bringing chokes the better option

just better than it is now

[nova canyon]

You said it

[lethal oyster]

O lord

[nova canyon]

word for word

[burnt mulch]

no I didn't.

[burnt mulch]

you're misunderstanding.

[nova canyon]

No i'm not

[burnt mulch]

I can reword it to be more clear if you want.

[nova canyon]

You are badly wording it

[burnt mulch]

ok then

[lethal oyster]

Same thing, essentially

[burnt mulch]

please make an effort to understand what I mean.

"bringing choke bombs is very powerful given the mechanics of the game. Please make not bringing chokes a better option than they are currently"

[nova canyon]

Since you are not making any effort, i won't make any

[burnt mulch]

lmfao

you're getting hung up on my wording instead of addressing my point.

is that better?

[lethal oyster]

If you're aware it's bad wording you know it's intended to be read differently. Stop derailing the conversation please

[burnt mulch]

"bringing choke bombs is very powerful given the mechanics of the game. Please make not bringing chokes a better option than they are currently"
anything else you want to complain about?

or are you ready to actually debate

[nova canyon]

I think i debated enough

[burnt mulch]

got it. the moment you ran out of things to complain about you run away.

[nova canyon]

It's there, and i don't mind it how it is right now

[burnt mulch]

cool

see ya

[nova canyon]

It's more because it's 1AM here you know

[lethal oyster]

I'll just try once more before I give up

[burnt mulch]

bye

[winged flint]

No the base version doesn't have it

[nova canyon]

Again, that's my opinion, i'm entitled to it, and i won't budge

[burnt mulch]

then why are you even discussing it

if you're not open to what the other person is saying, why even talk

[winged flint]

For some reason they were like adding a scope mount for a gun that cant have a scope was a good idea

[nova canyon]

Talon variant has it, only one of it's skin has not

[burnt mulch]

you talking about the talon winfield?

[nova canyon]

Thing is, you took the boat late, that "wannabe marine guy" said he was right and everyone else was wrong, and that's the only thing i'm talking about

[winged flint]

Why does ot have a scope mount anyways?¿?

[nova canyon]

Why not ?

[burnt mulch]

because he was right about the things that he said he was right about, for the most part.
you kept nitpicking his specific wording instead of addressing his point.

[winged flint]

Its dumb and gets in the way

[nova canyon]

He isn't right because it's AN OPINION

[lethal oyster]

What we're suggesting is this: there should be some way to rescue a fallen teammate from an active fire. Be it tapping them out, finding a water bucket on the map, carrying him out of the fire or whatever.
The point is, right now, the choke bomb is the only way to prevent catastrophic damage to your team. This alternative way shouldn't actually rival the choke bomb in viability, as it's clearly the tool for the job. We're saying there should be SOMETHING to be done that doesn't involve losing massive amounts of health.

You don't have to agree. Obviously this won't happen. You just have to understand and stop twisting our words. It's fine to disagree. What isn't fine is deliberately misinterpreting the other position for some cheap 'gotcha' moments.

[burnt mulch]

it's an opinion that firebombs are too strong. it's a fact that firebombs are stronger than they were before.

you're misinterpreting what he said.

[winged flint]

And if it was was because of the gun why does one of the skins not have it?¿?

[lethal oyster]

That's all I have to say. Good night folks. Appreciate your time.

[burnt mulch]

the problem is, he kept saying things, and you kept misinterpreting what he said.
everything you tried to nitpick can be countered with "ok but that's not what I meant and you know it"

so maybe address the actual point next time.

[nova canyon]

And he kept taunting and nitpicking, i'm not here to raise the level of that kind of people

[burnt mulch]

except you're the one nitpicking.

just a moment ago, you nitpicked how I worded this

[nova canyon]

I can't remember why, but they explained it when they released the other skin lol

[winged flint]

:(

[nova canyon]

Again, you weren't there when he said that everyone with a different opinion had less than 5 braincelles

[burnt mulch]

personal attacks rise out of frustration with your stubborn and persistent nitpicking, as well as his poor reaction to it.

[nova canyon]

he acted like an ass first, just backlog

[burnt mulch]

yes, he got frustrated first.

because you were nitpicking and being obtuse.

[nova canyon]

so yeah, i'll nitpick after, because he deserves it

[burnt mulch]

mm no.

[nova canyon]

If he is as smart has he think he is, he wouldn't be frustrated

[burnt mulch]

being smart has nothing to do with having a short temper.

[nova canyon]

And probably wouldn't come here crying

[frosty garnet]

@ancient thicket, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

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[burnt mulch]

like I said. he gets pissy and you get sanctimonious.

I'm not excusing him in any way, I'm just trying to get you to take some responsibility

[nova canyon]

@digital vortex There's already crossplateform between consoles, crossplateform with PC likely won't happen because it's a really different meta

[nova canyon]

And i agree that i acted like a jerk, but again, i was just answering him

[burnt mulch]

he's talking about xbox and ps4 crossplay. you can match in the same servers but you can't play in the same team.

[nova canyon]

You can but you have to try queueing with random and dodge

[burnt mulch]

you're doing it again lol. that's not what he meant and you know it.

[nova canyon]

i didn't see the invite option, i'm fucking tired you know x)

i'm just reading diagonally at this point

[fair raft]

Add death cam please

[dense fjord]

@burnt mulch bro I just hurt my brain reading your interaction with that other guy and I understand what you meant easily. He’s just a sad internet troll and trolling is against the rules

[hot vigil]

@dense fjord The Uppercut blade is cool, tho I'm a little weary about the Uppercut Precision, wouldn't it make the Mosin Obrez even less picked?

[unkempt cobalt]

As a crossbow enjoyer this is my only gripe about the crossbow. I wish it felt more responsive and that i didnt have to spam r for it to feel like its reloading.(There's audio in the imgur link)
https://imgur.com/hTMmSD9

[hot vigil]

I guess what you mean that the animation going from a idle state into a readable reload state is to vague so you are not sure you are reloading it?

[unkempt cobalt]

yeah ive had multiple time where it doesnt reload. but you are correct

[hot vigil]

Ah, that might be the ongoing bug there is.
They fixed it briefly, but it utterly broke the LeMatt revolver, so they had to revert it back.

[unkempt cobalt]

@hot vigil thats interesting i didnt know that the crossbow was originally effected by it. we'll have to see how it feels when the patch comes out

[drowsy depot]

Is it like known how buggy this game is?

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah, but last dev stream (two days ago) stated that the next patch mostly gonna be a bug fix patch, so hopefully we gonna be in for good time 😄

[hot vigil]

I'm not sure, but all the weapons that were affected were weapons that had the possibility to swap ammo, which technically includes the crossbow. Especially bc my prior experience with Crossbow have never been an issue to get my hunter to reload it 🙂

[nova canyon]

Every single shot weapons with two type of ammo Can be affected for sure

I don't Know for the Berthier

But who play Berthier with two ammo type

@hot goblet if Legendary hunter didn't come with any trait, you wouldn't have any reason to pick them. They are already not cost effective for what they offer

Sometimes trait sucks but that's just RNG, sorry

[little carbon]

The thing is, you are ignoring the fact that there are already other ways to prevent being put on fire. For the firebomb becoming useful an enemy must have a) died, b) in a burnable spot and c) you must expose yourself to burn (unless the enemy died completely out of position, but that is on them). And you loose a frag/flash/ needle for the fire bomb.

Chokes also are not a hard counter to burning. They buy you minutes, that's all. And for the situation where you kill the burning team quickly, but don't have chokes it's kinda fine, because if no one in your squad brings chokes thats poor loadout making. And bringing multiple sets of traps can be strong, so in trios you can absolutely get rid of one ore two sets of chokes, although I personally still wouldn't because they are versatile.

And lastly, it makes sense that burning in general is stronger than extinguishing, because burning is the punishment for a big misplay (drying) whereas chokes are a get-out-of-jail-free card

And I also really don't see s lot of instant burning in high ELO.

[nova canyon]

@jagged wagon Re-shade is blocked by Easy-Anticheats and Nvidia Filters are blocked, you can't take advantage of night and fog maps anymore

[jagged wagon]

Then why do I see streamers with clearly enhanced and changed visuals.

[nova canyon]

Those are overlay for the viewers, the streamers themselves can't see it ;)

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/hunt-showdown-disables-nvidia-freestyle-because-it/1100-6481007/

August 2020

And for Reshade, if you search troughout that discord history, you will find multiple answer that state that ReShade isn't Allowed, including Devs answer

[crystal plume]

"Allowed", but definitely discouraged

[little carbon]

But since it kinda doesn't do anything a good monitor can't already do, i don't really see a problem with people who don't have the money for good peripherals use it

[formal bone]

cool, is there a date for 1.9 on test?

[crystal plume]

It can do a lot more than monitor settings

Ability to change contrast with curves instead of a slider is way more powerful

Which imo is the problem

Even if EAC whitelists it, the version they have whitelisted still allows for too much control for competitive games

[little carbon]

Fair. But banning it has some legal implications that are problematic anyways. Cause in short, as soon as the display data stream is sent from the game towards the operating system it's no longer part of cryteks product and they have no hold over it.

And I do think post processing is somewhat fine. Cause it also isn't fair that i can see three times as far as a friend of mine just cause I paid more for my monitor. I rather have the ability to over post process, because it's less gated, than being solely reliant on hardware

[crystal plume]

I don't see how blocking it has any legal implications

Even if they were to ban for it as they already havea line about 3rd party applications that provide and advantage in the code of conduct

But they said that they won't ban for it even if they change their policy regarding it

[jagged wagon]

Having constant eye strain due to endless fog or night maps in an evenings session is not a good player experience, bad enough that there are no colour blind options, then factor in people using reshade get a clear advantage and people will just find the closest extraction while the game wastes their time. At least in the past we had the set map to choose rather than “random” but that’s a distant memory now.

[hazy quartz]

it starts reloading immediately, the animation starts with the hunter moving the crossbow to the chest so they can start pulling the string with both hands.
so it's more like a flaw in the visual/audio feedback but once you notice it, it shouldn't feel delayed 🤔
maybe they could add some sound for the moving the crossbow to the chest part to make it feel more responsive.

[nova canyon]

eye strain can actually be countered with a better "less blue light" monitor and blue light protective glasses tho

As someone who spend a lot of time in front of a computer, i can tell you that it truely changes life

[little carbon]

Having something in a code of conduct doesn't make it legal or binding, even if you accept it. A good example would be if you were to create a program that "sees" your screen, evaluates it as an AI and then emulates mouse input to click heads. That program would be blatant cheating. But they wouldn't be able to legally ban anyone for it, since it doesn't interface with their product. (More importantly they wouldn't even be allowed to detect it, since it would require scanning the target PC outside of their property.)
I don't condone cheating, but Anti-Cheat is a really complex field, especially when factoring in that crytek is based in Germany and not say the US

And I'm actually quite happy with restrictive laws here, since I'd rather have cheaters in my games than allow companies more access to data

[crystal plume]

That... sure is an opinion

One that I don't even want to bother responding to, to be quite honest

[nova canyon]

you know that ToS are a contract that you sign and therefore act as a legal document right ?

Wich means that a game act has like.... well like private proprety. Like in a Gym for exemple. When you sign up in a gym, you engage yourself to respect their code of conduct. And therefore, if you dont respect them, gym owner, or game owner in our case, has the right to ban you. LEGALLY

[little carbon]

In short, the gym can't ban you because of something you do outside of it.

[nova canyon]

In fact, it can ban you for everything that's in their contract, including stuff that could happen in front of the gym for exemple

And you should agree that a third party application, running in the background, is, not only against the term of services you signed, but also acting ON the game you are playing

In civilised country, it's called private proprety bro

yeah, and then, there is private proprety in Germany

lol

i mean, i live in the country right next to it, the one they like to use to invade France

Private proprety is european law

So.... it applies to germany bro

I could provide you laws, and explain how europe works, but that would take a lot of time

well, let me take my syllabus then

So here you have article 17, wich state about the existence of private proprety and it's link to intellectual proprety https://fra.europa.eu/fr/eu-charter/article/17-droit-de-propriete

[nova canyon]

sorry phone call

https://www.journaldunet.fr/management/guide-du-management/1200509-le-reglement-interieur/ Here you got a few things about how rules are legal

and about how europe works: Europe gives guideline to the country, and country have to conform. Since Germany, with France, are the country that have the most power, you can do the math yourself and understand

[frosty garnet]

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In the lobby when viewing loadouts of friends make it so you can see each other summons, even if it means needing a scrollbar for that menu```

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As it stands now. if you burn a hunter with a firebomb, his partner cannot run in an extinguish the flames by pressing F because the lasting fire will just re-ignite the hunter. the only way to recover him out is chokes, or sacrifice a healthbar to save his hunter. 

change Firebombs to no longer re-ignite hunters that have been manual extinguished. Simply by firebombs existing it makes chokes essentially a must pick even more then they previously are. If your partner gets downed and burned, and you kill the enemy team, you have to sacrifice a health bar just so he doesn't lose his hunter, simply because you wanted to bring a different tool into the game. This is bag game design as it practically forces chokes into a loadout. taking choice and agency away from the player is always and indisputably a bad game design choice. 

A 17 dollar consumable that was buffed for better AEA DENIAL has unintendedly become the best hunter burning tool in the game. it's a non issue if you bring chokes. but the choice of not bring chokes is unreasonably punished (hard countered) by this low cost consumable.

By allowing a hunter to run through the flames, use the tap f to extinguish mechanic, then run out and extinguish themselves, it still makes a high risk- high reward scenario, all while still blocking the revive. This perfectly solves the issue with Zero negative consequences. 

This gives an alternative counter to firebomb burning because shoehorning chokes into someone's load out.```Attachments:
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[queen jungle]

It's not that easy, cheat programs don't necessarily have to directly interfere with the game client to constitute video game fraud. According to German law (StGB §263a) it's enough if an unauthorised software impacts the "course of events" (i. e. gameplay) and as a result causes financial damage to someone else (e. g. the publisher of a game because cheaters drive players/customers away).

Also, @nova canyon is right that the ToS are a legally binding contract that needs to adhere to the law. The Code of Conduct, according previous decisions by German courts, is not. It is a set of rules created by the publisher within their game. In a past case of someone suing Blizzard over a WoW ban, German courts have ruled that publishers are the "ultimate ruler" of their world and can set and change the Code of Conduct however they see fit, even if it is to the obvious disadvantage of the players (which is what the WoW player based his claims on). The ToS just need to highlight that additional rules such as a Code of Conduct may apply.

I am not a legal expert however, I only have been following this topic closely for many years since it keeps coming up in online gaming communities.

[nova canyon]

Even without being a legal expert, as long as there is written proof, so a signed contract, and you violate said contract, you expose yourself to consequences. A judge can, however, rule out a contract if he thinks that said contract is abusive, but that's unlikely because you are supposed to have read it. One of the rare reason that might rule out a contract are that you are not legally allowed to. (Mental illness, under drugs, etc)

[unborn smelt]

@eager dragon you can flip an aperture

If you wanna fire close or medium range - flip it down

If you want extra zoom - flip it up

Only the one on the nitro doesnt have the flipping option for balance

[eager dragon]

I know that too well. I would love to use aperture more often than I do but it's pretty impossible to use (for me and my friends at least), the zoom is just too much and it doesn't make much sense to me really, it's literally an annoying flippable deadeye at the moment

[unborn smelt]

I think the sight is great

I just dont like the guns its on

The winnie barely gets mileage from the zoom because it shoots marshmallows past 100m

And its great on the Lebel - but i dont like the Lebel

[signal mural]

@inland ravine I have not been active on Hunt's Discord chat that long but I've seen you beating this dead horse about Molotovs and fire reigniting downed hunters for weeks now. It is in multiple channels and is getting spammy.

At this point burning enemies is damn near the only anti-camping tactic. I would not hold my breath waiting for it to change. Please except that posting your opinion in one channel should be enough.

[unborn smelt]

And yes its annoying to use on medium range

Because it has the option to be nott used if undesired

[eager dragon]

I'd die to try a 1.25x zoom instead of what we got now. I think there's a valid reason it's extremely underused on 5-6 stars lobbies at the moment

[unborn smelt]

Its only on 2 guns

Both of which arent very popular

[eager dragon]

I'd have to disagree, in the past 30 games I've seen plenty of Winfields being played and literally no one of them was an aperture one, same goes with the Lebel (which I concur is a bit less used than the Mosin but still used more than many other weapons in such star range)

[unborn smelt]

Lemme be more clear

Not the entire winnie family is unpopular.
But thebase variant of the long winnie from my experience

Usually the swift is most popular for those

[queen jungle]

@solemn shuttle @torn sage There is now a "clear all" option for each tab in the main menu, that should make things a lot easier 🙂
(tagging you since you, among others, suggested such a feature in the past).

[unborn smelt]

I personally would love the sight - if it were available on the springfield, or cent

Both of which have the reach and Mv to effectively use the magnification

As does the Lebel already

[eager dragon]

I get your point but I still think that the aperture variants should just be a "yeah I could miss that guy on the window, let me zoom just a bit so I don't" instead of "yeah the enemy on the window has clear nostrils from what I can see".
It's just that I think it should be a small enhancement of the iron sights, not something totally different.

[unborn smelt]

Well then lets agree to disagree.
With to little zoom they'd just end up as more blocky ironsights that blur half the screen

Is what i think

[nova canyon]

You see a lot of Lebel but not a huge ammount of Lebel aperture, wich is a shame since it's just an upgrade version

[unborn smelt]

I dont see that much lebel

I personally see almost exclusively mosin or berthier

[nova canyon]

Yeah, i see more Mosin than Lebel, wich is a shame, as i prefer the Lebel and those body don't give them to me

[eager dragon]

Yeah I get that, that's why I think they need to rethink it, I may be totally wrong in my suggestion (less zoom, etc.) but I truly think something should be done about it

Yeah the Mosin is far more present in the scene

[unborn smelt]

I mean the aperture we have is the rethought version

[nova canyon]

Less zoom would make it much more useless, Iron sight on the Lebel is already really enough

[unborn smelt]

Before it was a small far away ironsight without screen blur

[nova canyon]

I remember that Time, and i even think that there was a Time were you couldn't switch it down

aaah good old Time

[unborn smelt]

Well yes and no

What i'm describing is the og nitro sight

And iirc when that got reworked they also gave it to the winny

Which back then was already the close one with blur

But not flippable

And they then updated it to flip up and down

[queen jungle]

@late sand This may sound simple, but have you tried using different browsers?

[late sand]

Yes I did. Actually completely switched to a different browser while this issue was still ongoing.

[queen jungle]

Sorry to hear of those inconveniences. We can try and forward your issue if you open a ticket with @muted zealot

[late sand]

Do I just type my ticket into a DM to @muted zealot ?

[queen jungle]

Yes, and select Hunt: Showdown in case you are on multiple servers that use the ModMail bot

[frosty garnet]

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[karmic ivy]

@late sand Kayako is obsolete. Just FYI. Have you tried different browsers? might be a bug with one of them?

[late sand]

It is? That's the only link to support I could find. But actually, after just visiting the Crytek website again, I noticed the same button as on the huntshowdown page. Which also disappears when I log in. So I guess I've been messaging a dead support site all this time, which didn't get taken offline unlike the Hunt one. Great to know I've been literally wasting my time.

Yes, as I've said above, I tried using different browsers. Didn't seem to change anything.

[blissful pewter]

@ivory laurel I like ur idea but I would say have the items be in random locations otherwise it would be a camper hotspot

[normal horizon]

@late sand which browsers have you tried

[late sand]

Google Chrome, Opera GX, Microsoft Edge

[normal horizon]

Those are all chromium based

Can you try Firefox just to make sure?

[late sand]

Sure, 1 second

[late sand]

The button still doesn't show up once I log in.

[cedar torrent]

Sentenial is way too fast now, also Poisonammo dealing the same dmg is just way too much. if this goes live nothing else will be played

[queen jungle]

Terminus base RPM is still too slow after the 5% buff. It should be 40 RPM minimum considering the Specter shoots that fast but is almost twice as cheap, has more range, is more accurate and has more spare ammo

[inland ravine]

idk man. I made a week long stink about Throwing axes not killing horses with body shots. in the next dev update they mentioned receiving a lot of feedback about it so they updated it. Not to say that had anything to do with me. But change doesn't happen without bringing attention

[tribal wyvern]

Is 20% really that "to fast" ?

Do remember the animation is smoothed out aswell which might give the impression that it's much faster.

Apply the animation smoothness to the old rpm aswell & I don't think it's much faster.

[unborn smelt]

It moves ot from 39 to ~ 46 rpm

[tribal wyvern]

Think it was a bad idea of them to compare it like that.

[normal horizon]

Thanks for trying I'll pass it on

[late sand]

Thanks a lot

[tribal wyvern]

Doubt it's a website issue, most likely client side

Since only 1 reported case

[late sand]

Oh definitely. Especially since I see the button and it only disappears once I log in. I just don't know how to solve it myself since there isn't anything about it online and all the possible fixes relating to it didn't seem to help.

[tribal wyvern]

To enforce my point on the comparison issue.
Even the 5% felt like a noticeable difference, but it really isn't.
It's all cuz of the animation smoothness.

[crystal plume]

@halcyon kettle Because it's test server, they limit the region selection to funnel more people into same matches as the amount of players on test is way less

[halcyon kettle]

@wanton valve I think the locked ones hide the DLC you have to pay for

[sharp veldt]

@halcyon kettle yeah like Diiba said, Test server only has 2 servers

[burnt mulch]

@dense pasture the bot seems to have malfunctioned and not created reactions to your suggestion, you should repost your idea so people can give feedback

[dense pasture]

@burnt mulch Should I just copy paste? or do I need to @ a bot to post it correctly

[burnt mulch]

just copy your post, delete the original, and post it again.

[dense pasture]

I see, thank you

[karmic ivy]

You can try vivaldi as well, it is based on its own engine I think.

[late sand]

Also didn't work :/

[sharp veldt]

@fleet storm There is only US East and EU on test server

[burnt mulch]

@queen jungle I feel like it's a bit overloaded to be a trait. A simple "hold darksight to loot a dead body as an immediate 50hp medkit" would be less complex while retaining most of the identity of the perk.
I think that having something that heals a little more than a medkit without doctor would best be done with some other mechanic.

maybe an alternate medkit that heals 75 with 2 max charges, or that grants a short duration regen equal to 75 hp, or something.

[queen jungle]

Idk, I feel like it's an interesting alternative to Doctor, slightly less useful but slightly cheaper with a different use case

[burnt mulch]

I don't know if I would take this as an alternative to Doctor, but it's really the complexity and edge cases that don't sell it for me.

[queen jungle]

I think the edge cases would be pretty unlikely to actually come into play unless you're running a loadout heavy on fire, especially if you're fighting at lair, team with bounty will definitely be full up

But I can see your point

I will think about it

[burnt mulch]

It's more like, when those situations happen, it'll seem buggy and complex whereas other traits are pretty much one-liners.

hope you enjoyed the feedback

[queen jungle]

That is why I suggested something specifically indicating what's going on, but I can see newer players or potato heads getting confused

[nova canyon]

Problem with said trait is also that you could use it to detect dead hunter that you didn't kill

[queen jungle]

I said nothing about highlights

[nova canyon]

No but you'd have the indication of the effect going on

[queen jungle]

If you're within 5m, chances are you know

LoS block would be fair enough

[nova canyon]

if you are within 5m and in LoS, it's usually a situation where you could loot the body anyway tbh

[queen jungle]

It's not for looting their consumables though

It's for leeching health off their corpse, not for looting through walls

Yes you could potentially get a medkit, and with Doctor that might give you more, but it's not guaranteed and without Doctor, the trait could heal you more than a medkit charge would

I don't think it would be meta over physician+doctor anytime soon, but I think it would have an interesting place

I think you could also potentially get a regen shot off bodies looting normally, but I'm still kind of new

[nova canyon]

You can't

[queen jungle]

I thought it was just vitality shots you can't get off bodies and toolboxes

[nova canyon]

you can't find healing item out of looting bodies and Toolbox

There's in a fact a few items

[queen jungle]

Ah so it's all heals

[nova canyon]

Healing items, big stam shot, big antidote, concertina bombs, and i think Liquid Fire bomb but i'm not 100% sure of the last one

[queen jungle]

Man I can't even tell you the last time I've had a liquid firebomb thrown at me

I didn't think people even used those let alone abused them enough for them to be removed from loot tables

[burnt mulch]

is there a difference that you could even tell between a liquid firebomb and a regular one

[queen jungle]

One goes out on WATER

the other does not

[nova canyon]

2 minutes of burning

[queen jungle]

The menu stats don't tell the whole story it seems

[burnt mulch]

well, i meant more like "how would you tell if it was a liquid firebomb and a regular one thrown at you"

also, I'm pretty sure they last the same amount of time.

[nova canyon]

They didn't change the liquid fire i think

[native lodge]

no both linger

hell fire does not

[burnt mulch]

they definitely did increase the liquid firebomb's duration alongside the basic one.

[queen jungle]

So is hellfire just a big FWOOSH and no ground fire then?

[native lodge]

not very much ground fire

but burns 25hp instantly

[nova canyon]

Do you have a screen of that ? My game is not up

[queen jungle]

I find hellfires in quickplay but never kill enough things with molotovs to actually unlock them before I prestige

[native lodge]

liquid fire bombs are just like normal ones that can work in water too

[nova canyon]

(if someone else has his games up tho)

[burnt mulch]

tried to find the patch note but couldn't. ingame it says they're the same though.

[nova canyon]

Thanks, i don't know why but i had the feeling they didn't change it

Might be because i only use liquid and two minutes ain't that long tho

[burnt mulch]

ah there it is

a 6x duration buff seems like a bit of a long time to me 🤔

[nova canyon]

6x is a big buff, 120s ain't that long

Even my white tea take more time to infuse

I can't make tea while denying an entry point :((

[hardy coral]

Chokes should always be in your loadout

If you don't wanna take them, then that's your problem if they have a fire bomb.

Medkit+Melee+Chokes+Free pick. A melee attachment or weapon slot melee frees the melee slot, more vitality shots could free the medkit, hand crossbow with choke bolts can free up the chokes. But really, there's not too much point to taking more than 4 tools unless you're setting up insta kill traps, which should be restricted anyway.

[burnt mulch]

chokes should always be in your loadout because firebombs are powerful. Would it be so bad to make fire less powerful?

hell, tapping out a burning teammate still accomplishes what fire was supposed to do in the first place: force action

lemme rephrase that, actually.

Firebombs are uncounterable except with a choke bomb. I don't feel like necessary hard-counters like that should exist in a game like Hunt.

[lethal oyster]

Are you fucking kidding me is this still going on?

[burnt mulch]

eh, I made a suggestion-ideas post about it.

it's got... a negative reaction, so I'm inviting someone else to talk about it.

[hardy coral]

Choke bombs are just powerful by themselves. They put out any kind of fire, make a cloud that somewhat obscures vision, blocks chokepoints. The change should be to nerf choke bombs while adding a world spawn item that can help deal with fires.

[burnt mulch]

I've heard the argument for world spawn items to deal with fires, but wouldn't that just leave it up to rng as to who manages to find more of them? Plus, they'd be essentially single-use. Lanterns can be used as area denial or for setting hunters on fire, not just burning bodies.

I also think that making a world spawn item to put out fires would make the firebomb even less useful than it already is.

[nova canyon]

If they're the same amount of world spawn items than of latern, rng is basically a non issue

[burnt mulch]

having a world-spawn counter a consumable just feels like shit.

I guess the RNG isn't really that much of a problem.

[hardy coral]

Just add world spawns of water bombs, deployed like a concertina bomb with it's initiation, throwing range and arc. Blows up into a pool of water, stopping flames already there, puts out fuses that fall into it, players make wet noises moving through. Water gets evaporated by another fire hitting it, then the fire after starts the burn.

[fossil frost]

If your patient enough you have more world spawn lanterns than they have chokes

[burnt mulch]

wouldn't a liquid firebomb be immune to water bombs?

[nova canyon]

And if you are smart enough, you stockpile on lantern

[nova canyon]

Yes, and it should

problem here is that you want a hard counter to firebomb here

[hardy coral]

Could just make it that the water bomb puts out the liquid fire bomb but evaporates instantly, leaving the player vulnerable instantly.

[nova canyon]

or at least you seem to want that

[burnt mulch]

no, I want options for someone without a hardcounter to be able to play around fire.

the hardcounter already exists, it's chokes.

I want chokes to be less of an autoinclude in loadouts.

[nova canyon]

I see a lot of people complainig here but not stating any solution that seems to fit them tho

[hardy coral]

A water bucket is pointless other than to counter fire.

[nova canyon]

beside the unrealistic "Make us able to tap our burning mate inside of the fire"

wich, besides the fact it sounds completly dumb, would be hard to make with the current state of fire puddles

[hardy coral]

A world spawn water bomb makes more sense as a weak version of a choke bomb with the one upside that it doesn't expire on it's own.

[burnt mulch]

I sort of like how the water bomb was handled a minute ago, but I think it might need additional utility to not be just "the anti-fire thing"

look, I'm not going to argue with "muh realism in muh cowboy game" again

[nova canyon]

i'm not arguing about that, i'm just saying that, with the way fire is handled, it's not possible

[hardy coral]

The additional utility is putting out fuses tossed into it, like regular water. Maybe make it similar to broken glass and metal as a sound trap.

[burnt mulch]

it's absolutely possible with the way fire is handled now, the only thing that would need to change is the visibility of whether a hunter is on fire

[nova canyon]

no, because with the way the fire is handled, it would also apply to lantern fire and oil puddles

[burnt mulch]

that just means you'd have to cook fuses, which you do already. and water doesn't really make noise except on dirt.

[burnt mulch]

explain? lanterns and oil puddles have an initial burn as well

I don't think that someone accidentally dying in an already-burning oil puddle is a big concern.

[nova canyon]

Yes, but what you are asking is to be able to put out a body wich is in the middle of an actual fire

Or at least what the Stan Laurel was asking

[burnt mulch]

"only the initial flare of an explosion is strong enough to instantly set someone on fire" what's so confusing or unrealistic about that?

[hardy coral]

It's silly and unintuitive

[nova canyon]

Because that would mean to change how ALL FIRE works

And yes, it's silly and unintuitive, but apparently you can't say that because "vodoo magic and shit"

[burnt mulch]

I don't find it silly. It might be unintuitive, fair, but it's simple enough.

[burnt mulch]

yes, that is what I'm saying.

[nova canyon]

so for you it's not silly that something in the middle of a fire doesn't take fire ?

[burnt mulch]

for you it's not silly that touching someone with a pinky is enough to pat them out of fire?

it's not silly that we can only throw things at one angle?

it's a game.

[nova canyon]

Ok i'm done

[burnt mulch]

lol

[nova canyon]

Keep your opinion, i don't see any reason to continue this stupid discussion

When you'll propose something more logic than "Hunter in the middle of a fire don't catch fire", maybe i'll listen

[burnt mulch]

"hunters shouldn't be able to throw things at different angles"

much logic.

[nova canyon]

yeah, that's called engine limitation

[burnt mulch]

and if we could throw things at multiple angles, would you want that?

[nova canyon]

not "earth chemicals limitation"

[burnt mulch]

regardless of how it affects game balance?

[nova canyon]

i'd be down for it, down throwing grenades in tarkov is cool

[burnt mulch]

the question is: how much game balance are you willing to sacrifice for realism

[nova canyon]

and that wouldn't change balance btw, you'd just be able to... throw the same explosive

[burnt mulch]

that absolutely changes balance.

[nova canyon]

So, now you can talk to someone else; i'm done.

[burnt mulch]

being able to soft throw explosives over a fence, for example, is something that you can't do right now.

lmao

see ya ig, can't handle logic.

@wild shadow repost your idea, bot reacts broke

[nova canyon]

If you aim high enough, you can, that's how arcs work

[burnt mulch]

@shrewd flare repost your idea, bot reacts broke

[shrewd flare]

oh yea it did

10 minute slowmode :/

[burnt mulch]

F

[nova canyon]

Why do you keep mentionning me

[burnt mulch]

cuz you mentioned me lol

how else am I supposed to directly respond to someone?

@wild shadow I don't know if I like needing to refill a bucket at a water source, that'd require a lot of map work to make sure water is at least somewhat accessible.

it'd also make water nearly infinite at other compounds, like scupper or reeker

[wild shadow]

Looks like it broke for everyone. Next post has the same issue

[burnt mulch]

maybe try again later ig

[wild shadow]

I’ll be honest, I was trying to make it impractical on purpose. Too much practicality would instantly come under fire. I mean, technically it could also be used to counter area denial. On another note, throwing water on a choke cloud would also dissipate the choke if we are talking realism. I believe that covers two problems that people have mentioned.

[burnt mulch]

the thing is, it's not about whether it's impractical or not, it's more about the variance.

just being at reeker would mean you have infinite water.

[wild shadow]

Maybe they start filled and cannot be refilled. Kinda like the anti-lantern lol

[nova canyon]

that's what i said earlier and he said "muh rng"

[burnt mulch]

can you actually make arguments, dude?

anyway

right, but the reason I'd want it to have additional utility is cuz everything else kinda does too. Like firebombs/lanterns and chokes can be used for area denial as well as interacting with downed hunters.

[wild shadow]

I mean, I heard water bombs mentioned and as a consumable I could see that, but the items you find in the bayou are what was left behind by the inhabitants. Buckets of water make sense lore wise.

[burnt mulch]

sure, but I'm also trying to think of it in terms of game mechanics, since it's meant to fit into, y'know, a game.

we're not building a physics simulator, obviously.

[wild shadow]

Bottles then? Glass bottles of water could work.

It’s just a naming thing. I mean, they’d still be water bombs but just not called water bombs.

[burnt mulch]

glass bottles (or more realistically a jug) seems like a decent way to handle it.

[nova canyon]

@storm bobcat It"s a cool idea but it would tell an information that would give you a unfair advantage

Hunt is really about that "don't give too much information to a player"

[burnt mulch]

I don’t know how it’d play in practice though. Besides, my problem was never with lanterns, it was with firebombs lasting 2 minutes

[storm bobcat]

I see, thank you for your feedback

[wild shadow]

For me, the firebomb thing I can understand because, yes, you are right, they work great as area denial but basically giving a death sentence unless you are willing to sacrifice health from both players is a little harsh. Most people will say, “just take choke bombs!” But sometimes you wanna take traps. Choke should always be the best way to deal with it but I think a world spawning extinguish will be the better option than nerfing the firebombs. I personally rarely take firebombs and just use lanterns to burn, but that’s me. I’ll also only burn hunters if I think their friend is a sniper, because that’s probably the only way I’m getting them to stop camping lol.
Come face me like a hunter!

[burnt mulch]

I agree, really. But I think that adding a world extinguish nerfs all fire and not just firebombs, when firebombs are really the only standout among burning options.

the alternative is to just nerf firebomb duration back down, of course, but I’m trying to preserve it as an area denial tool

shrugs seems we understand each other at least. same goal different methods.

[nova canyon]

you don't see that much of firebombs tho

[burnt mulch]

just because it’s rare doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be fixed.

[late zealot]

Am I the only one who thinks concertina needs a nerf? I’m tired of teams running 4 concertina bombs and trips without much recourse from my end. Just died to it twice in one round

[wild shadow]

I agree that adding a world option does nerf all fire (and potentially choke and poison denial too), but RNG will play a big part of their availability. I have been in situations where I’ve had to run around looking for a lantern to burn a body. A world extinguish would often require you to break cover to find one with an enemy still around. Balance wise, I think it could potentially work, but like all things it would have to be tested to know for sure.

[wild shadow]

No, not just you. Concertina bombs are wickedly strong.

[burnt mulch]

wouldn’t tapping out a hunter also usually require breaking cover?

also, yeah concertina could use a better counter.

[wild shadow]

Yes, but realism aside it would mean changing the entire game code of how fire works. It’s just impractical for the devs more than anything else. Even if the idea was popular it would cause many more bugs and more time to implement than would be worth their resources. So it really doesn’t matter whether anyone agrees, Crytek just wouldn’t implement it.

[burnt mulch]

speaking from a software dev standpoint, it could be either easy or hard to implement. But creating a whole new type of surface (like oil but not?), an item with animation and modeling seems like also a lot of work

if its a matter of how hard it is to implement, then just nerf firebombs to like.. 40s or something.

[nova canyon]

tbh, creating a new type of item that has one of the effect of a choke seems to be less work than reworking all the fire code

[wild shadow]

Maybe 50 seconds. If a player burns out at 1 hp/ps you at least get a large chunk off

[burnt mulch]

well see, you say “reworking all the fire code” but there’s a lot of ways it could be easy to implement that we don’t really know. for example, tacking “set burning hunters on fire” onto the “spawn fire” code.

[wild shadow]

It’s more the recognising two separate instances of fire in the same location

[burnt mulch]

but we already recognize burning hunters as separate from the fire pool since when the fire despawns, the hunter is still burning

[wild shadow]

But not the ignition. There lies the problem.

[burnt mulch]

the theoretical problem that we don’t know is even a problem. now we’re just speculating about the codebase

[wild shadow]

Yes, but the suggestion has been made and now discussed. It’s in the devs hands to decide what to do with it now.
Anyway, I’m gonna go hunt lol

[burnt mulch]

shrugs

gl, nice talk

[wild shadow]

Sound pal

[burnt mulch]

finall is our new reactions bot, all hail finall

[queen jungle]

@formal tide Please make sure to add a description to your suggestion to others know exactly what it is you're suggesting.

[digital nacelle]

@burnt mulch how

[queen jungle]

@hexed mirage How is it difficult to report cheaters? You can easily do so on the Team Details screen post-match.

Or via the Hunt: Showdown website if you like to include video, etc.

[hexed mirage]

ye we all know how seriously ingame reporting is taken

[queen jungle]

Crytek has no interest in protecting cheaters for two reasons: 1) it drives players/customers away and 2) cheating in video games is considered fraud in Germany and a crime.

@spice spire 12 Players is already 20% more than what the maps were originally designed for. There used to be a bug that allowed more than 12 players to be put into the same match and it was just overcroweded imo.
In addition, the devs have repeatedly stated that PvP in Hunt is supposed to be a rather rare event, but all the more intense.

[spice spire]

I mainly say this cause trios can get boring as theres only 4 teams. Once you kill one team the games practically over especially if its double bounty. The maps are pretty big as well, I think 3 extra players wont make it too overcrowded@queen jungle

also when was that bug

[queen jungle]

The bug was some time last year IIRC.

Keep in mind that duos is the core Hunt mode; everything in the game is balances with duos in mind.. Trios is rather popular because it's a lot easier with fewer enemy teams and more teammates per team, but it also comes with some drawbacks.

[spice spire]

Thats true, trios added a year after the game released right? Atleast from the lore its said hunters mainly go out in duos. In duos thats only one more team of two and a solo if theres any on, thats not too bad I bet, just more chaos that to me would prove to be fun

[burnt mulch]

what?

[digital nacelle]

u were reacting to things with in #game-ideas

[burnt mulch]

oh, Finall did the initial react and i just piled on

he’s still doing random reacts

[hazy quartz]

i always wanted a fourth option to react if the suggestion is kinda funny.

[onyx edge]

@unborn dagger dauntless is a counter to chokes

[digital nacelle]

so is waiting with more lanterns

[unborn dagger]

You're right but that's only when it hasn't gone off. That's why I suggested an idea for it to be deactivated during its explosion cause it lasts for a long while.

[hot vigil]

@limber meadow as someone who have prestiged 20 times I can just say don't be scared of loosing bank, it ain't really that bad once you get into cycle of prestige.
Especially rn the issue is that you can't really benefit for having a big bank even when you prestige as you don't really unlock that many expensive weapons before you prestige again.

[limber meadow]

So my incentive to prestige is what then?

[acoustic orchid]

@eager dragon you do know you can lower the aperture sight right? It makes it so that close to mid range is more viable, while allowing you to have a secondary sight for longer ranges

[hot vigil]

Prestige only legendary skins.

Nice little emblem.

Prestige is usually not really about gaining anything.

[limber meadow]

Oh there are prestige only skins?

[hazy quartz]

P5: "Lousiana Lustrum" for the Sparks LRR
P10: "Golden Ticket" for the Bornheim No. 3
P25: "Silver Quarter" for the Quad Derringer
P50: "Fifty Laurels" for the Winfield M1873
P100: "The Centenary" for the Mosin-Nagant M1891

[burnt mulch]

or, y'know, number go up

monkey brain neuron activation

or free legendaries tbh

though that only lasts the first few prestiges

[cursive lava]

Then is Crytek going to do more to crack down on them? Because there is a very specific region with an over abundance of cheaters who, when banned, will just put more money back into Crytek’s pockets by buying a new copy of the game and starting from scratch. I’m pretty tired of being picked off with a base variant of the Winfield at 150m away by a brand new account.

[burnt mulch]

cough
#hunt-general message

[cursive lava]

Excellent, yet I still encounter them every second game. What worse is that cheating is more prevalent in certain regional secrets. Unfortunately tonnage those servers is to incur a “xenophobia” warning which is wildly incorrect, but whatever. A very easy solution is to make a specific region server for the specific region in which cheaters are most prevalent.

[burnt mulch]

could you rephrase that? I don't really understand what you're trying to suggest.

[cursive lava]

Unfortunately I have to be vague in order to avoid a warning but:

A huge number of cheaters originate in one specific country with a culture that supports that in gaming. Whether this culture is correct or not isn’t the debate, but it does go against TOS. This country exists within a specific server region. The suggestion is to remove that specific country from that specific server region and give them their own server, thus localizing the problem with cheaters and minimizing their impact.

[unborn dagger]

The fact that first point even needs to be said is sad.

[jovial lodge]

What?

It's sad that live service games want to keep their players happy? Huh

[limber meadow]

The fifty Laurels is okay, nother I super like.

[hazy quartz]

fifty laurels looks nice, but prestige 50 is a little bit too much to ask if you don't enjoy the process of prestiging itself.

[limber meadow]

Indeed

[tawny tangle]

Reaction bot is broke

[burnt mulch]

so why wouldn't they just play on the other server?

[cursive lava]

Ping

[burnt mulch]

but obviously they're close enough that it's currently being served by one server

so...

ping doesn't really sound like a big issue.

[cursive lava]

The current server is based right next to this country geographically. Move it elsewhere and create a designated server for that country, and you create higher ping on other servers for them, and encourage them to stay on their own servers.

[burnt mulch]

that sounds

1. really expensive
2. like it would disincentivize people to stay on their own servers.

who wants to be in a server with a bunch of other cheaters?

[spice spire]

@wispy storm thats not a bad idea if it only works with quartermaster, but I dont like that it opens the floodgate for quadruple wielding shotguns. Also itd be really innacurate

[wispy storm]

thats why i stated springfield compact only

not all compacts

just want springfield

its also a joke idea

[cursive lava]

That’s literally the point of dividing the servers. There are constant complaints originating in this server plus the server population is large enough you could divide it and still have a strong player-base.

I’m now going to talk about another suggestion that may or may not be related

I play in the Asia region. Asian servers have a very strong player base that originates in China, and a strong player base that originates outside of China. This heavy player base results in long queues because the servers are full (not speculation, we get messages informing us to wait due to full servers).

If Crytek were to create a China server, based in either Hong Kong or China itself, and create a South East Asia server based in Singapore, you could solve this problem. More over, you could even merge Oceania Server into the Singapore South East Asia server, very minority affecting ping and help create a larger player base for those in the Oceania region. It’s a win-win-win scenario

If you take that as an example for a way to deal with the specific country with high population of cheaters in the specific server region, that would act as a highly viable solution, no?

[karmic ivy]

What are you talking about? could you be a little more clear? I am not following. What is the goal?

btw, those notifications when servers are full should be resolved with the next patch.

[burnt mulch]

yeah, but think in terms of those cheaters. Why would they stay in their own region’s servers if its full of cheaters?

[karmic ivy]

That is the goal?

What is wrong with simply banning the cheaters? what am I missing.

[hot vigil]

Some (f2p) games have a hidden "toxic queue" for undesirable players, limiting to only other players with the same kind of offences.
Guess that is easier than play whack-a-mole with people re-doing their accounts.

[winged fox]

Vhahahahaha, good one.

[burnt mulch]

you’d still have to play whack a mole, since the motivations for toxic people and cheaters are different.

[dense fjord]

Idk it would be more direct competition though for as a medium slot long ammo gun

Obrez needs a buff anyway

[ripe basalt]

Instead, this facilitates Cheat growth and software development. This also costs resources.

[eager dragon]

Of course I do, I explained my point of view earlier in the discussion thread.

[cursive lava]

Minimum cost and minimum software development. It’s a flag, similar to your skill ranking

[cursive lava]

They’re doing that now. Why would cheaters play on servers that are going to disadvantage them due to ping?

[cursive lava]

I’ve been as clear as I can be without getting warned for xenophobia. Apparently mentioned where issues are located is classed as xenophobia here, so unfortunately if you can follow, you’ll have to take it up with the mods

[ripe basalt]

The software development is on the side of the cheaters. Having more uptime is optimal for cheating development

[cursive lava]

It’s a hidden queue with a hidden flag, they don’t know they’re not getting regular games, hence cheating software stagnates

[nova canyon]

they know

When you land on a server where everyone is cheating, you know

[lone granite]

Is the frag arrow supposed to defuse when only passing THROUGH a choke? Shouldn't it be able to pass through a choke and still go off once it hits an object/player on the other side outside of the choke? I had 2 frag arrows that I was aiming through a choke on a window but they would have gone inside the building and cleared the choke before making contact inside. Am I understanding that once the frag arrow makes contact, it starts the fuse at the front of the arrow? There is a slight chance I didn't clear the choke when it made contact but I'm fairly certain I did. Can anyone confirm the choke renders frag arrow defused even when only passing through?

Also...bomb lance and chokes. I know it defuses it, but can you still hit a player with it and cause bleed? I thought I had tested this out with a teammate and it just became nonexistent once it went through the choke. I feel like it should still act as a projectile if this isn't the case and cause heavy bleed, since it is a giant spike not too dissimilar to a crossbow bolt.

[somber thistle]

@burnt mulch | 65392364
Title: Burning Counterplay
The easiest option would be to remove fire bomb from being looted, then chokes would be only strongly advised and not mandatory. If someone actually took it to the match, they should be rewarded with area denial or making hunter crispy. Most firebombs are found in match

[vocal storm]

true

[little carbon]

It would be quite easy to find out whether you are in the hidden queue as a cheat developer. Just have a second account thats guaranteed in the hidden queue (by blatantly cheating), and then trying to queue up at the same time in a low pop environment. If it works you know your cheat has been detected. Izo is right here, these kind of queues actually help developing cheats

Because it also allows you to test risky things on an already "burnt" account instead of maybe using up another 40 bucks on a new instance of a game

Bans are a better solution

@lone granite The problem with your idea is what kill view to show. The reality on your client at the time of the kill, the reality of the server or the reality of the other client

[wraith pecan]

hunt has an AK in it? I was killed today by a fully automatic weapon that looked like an AK. I watched the killers view and found that he killed as easy as killing a zombie.

[spice topaz]

@sick anvil You couldn't be more correct with your assessment of skin prices. I myself sit on some 11k BBs and 900BB for one skin is way too steep for me.

[spice topaz]

Yes, and some people actually think that Avto should be in the game.

[sick anvil]

Not forget the last one that came out in 1.9 is 1000K for hunter hackmack jack

[frosty garnet]

@formal tide, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
Matched regex in message in #game-ideas (#suggestions-ideas, 524577494863708180):

or lets say parry attacks with toggel button```

[sick anvil]

who in the world shoots the avto just mag dumping no controlling fire

[nova canyon]

stupid people

but hey, a win is a win

@lone granite Why would you want to see your model on a kill view 🤔

[burnt mulch]

That’s a cool idea tackling it from another angle. Honestly, it’s a surprisingly elegant solution.

[burnt mulch]

presumably so that you can see what they saw when they shot you. like “oh the gun barrel was popped out” or something.
honestly at that point just take a snapshot of the killer’s screen the moment they took the shot.

which isn’t a terrible idea, probably.

[nova canyon]

Oh yeah, that's not what i understood from it

i was like "but.... you already see your killers model... and it's pointless to see yours"

[empty stirrup]

AU Server - I'm so sick of these unbalanced games. How can it be my team mate is under 200 kills, is against someone who has been playing for 4 years. It's so frustrating. It's a waste of everyone's time. I'd rather be put in an empty server. I'd rather it be spit into two different games. It 's so dumb. Please stop having such large skill differences in games.

[sonic goblet]

@wraith pecan Your latest message in #feedback was removed as it wasn’t feedback.

[fossil frost]

@halcyon kettle
I am fairly certain there is no west coast server on the test server that's why it's not there

[nova canyon]

Yeah, only EU and NAE

[frosty garnet]

@south shard, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
Matched regex in message in #game-ideas (#suggestions-ideas, 524577494863708180):

i think they should reduce the number of noise traps in cypres huts```

[lethal oyster]

+1 to @south shard's suggestion. Cypress can be quite impossible to traverse without triggering at least 2 noise traps. It's ridiculous.

guess I'll just have to bring at least 3 poison bombs from now on, in case i ever spawn there...

[karmic ivy]

Yeah, that is a terrible idea in my opinion. And I see no problem with the current strategy. Simply ban them...
In fact, they are doing better in that regard here in Hunt than the games I came from. Much better.

[empty stirrup]

Then they need more brackets.

or at least weight them differently. (4.5-5-6) vs (1,2,3,4)

[little carbon]

The stars arent the brackets already. Your MMR is a number ranging from 0 to 5000. The stars are a representation of that number. The brackets are defined on the numbers, not on the stars. For example 3 stars might be from 2500 to 3000, and there might be brackets [2300,2800],[2800,3500]. (The numbers in the example are fully arbitrary and not from the game)

[karmic ivy]

They can have any number of brackets they choose. It is variable and practically speaking, limitless.

the problem you are experiencing is a population thing, It does not have an easy fix as you seem to think. It is a balance of choices.

Crytek has done better than most who attempt it. I can say that without hesitation.

[queen jungle]

The number of brackets already differs depending on population of the different regions. IIRC EU and USE have the most brackets, while SA or OCE have fewer due to much fewer players.

[sharp veldt]

@lone aurora Could you explain what you mean by "air control"?

[lone aurora]

@sharp veldt When jumping you have a lot of control where you land and can even (depening on the height of the jump) steer around corners. Even in short range engagements you can jump and immediately make a turn which kinda makes the jump a little silly.
Hope that clarifies what I mean with air-control (old Quake term)

[sharp veldt]

Ah so you DON'T want to be able to maneuver in the air like that? Sorry, just trying to fully understand!

[lone aurora]

Yes, sometimes it is a little to much in my opinion. It is a double-edged sword and can be incredibly useful. But it also gets silly when somebody jumps mid fight and makes a 180° turn. 😄

[sharp veldt]

Got it, I think I understand now! Thanks for explaining 🙂

[lone aurora]

Thank you for letting me know that my feedback post was to vague^^

[sharp veldt]

I wasn't an old school FPS player, so some of the old terms aren't things I know. I didn't start playing FPS until 2020 😄

i'm hooked now tho

[lone aurora]

It's never to late 😄

[left rose]

yea I agree. Imo it doesn't fit a slower paced game like Hunt. Even Overwatch locks your momentum when jumping.
On top of that it lets you survive situations way too often that you shouldn't survive since "chickendance" let's you quite easily avoid the majority of bullets of the already slow firing guns of Hunt.

[radiant river]

Hunt has an extremely fast ttk, I know jumping around like that is dumb sometimes but it helps make up for how fast you can die

[unborn smelt]

But the air control is not what makes this possible

The air conteol is fairly limited and an actual direction change that causes a miss takes long in the air

The option to queue jumps so fast, still rather little inertia on AD and turning the camera meaning your character turns as fast as the camera are what makes the chicken dance effective

[tribal wyvern]

@cedar torrent
Poison ammo to strong? Even with same dmg as without it, it's practically useless. Poison lasts so short from weapons. Even sparks is like what 4-6seconds?

You're gimping yourself & probably memeing if you bring poison ammo to do anything but killing AI even with the buff.

The strong custom ammo are Bleed & Fire, because they can actually get you killed.
Like sparks with fire ammo, if you peek it can be a guaranteed kill on body shot if you got some hp burnt off.
Bleed forces you to deal with it which can be tough if medium or heavy bleed & prob get you killed many times.

But poison, all it does is lock your hp regen. Can just not peek or back off just fine. Then heal & you're bk into the fight.

@severe hinge Bugs go to bugreport, not feedback

[fresh lynx]

Interesting you mention incendiary and dumdum are the strong custom ammo types but not FMJ or High velocity. Why do you think the former are better?

[severe hinge]

gotcha, thank you @tribal wyvern

[fresh lynx]

FMJ with the pen and further damage range is extremely popular, and HV on stuff like the vetterli enables easier longer range kills

[tribal wyvern]

Did not, but they're like slugs just upgrades to the weapon.
Thats why im not mentioning them.

Theres no reason not to take fmj or velocity over regular ammo.

More interesting to discuss are the other 3 that actually has a drawback.

Something that can heavily impact them, compared to fmj or velocity

[fresh lynx]

I'm not totally sold on fmj for long ammo, Martini with FMJ seems a bit silly to take

[jovial lodge]

@severe hinge Please make such reports in #520548749278445608 rather than in the #feedback channel, thanks!

[severe hinge]

dang i thought i did my bad

[hazy quartz]

sorry for the ping but i just want to add that some players like the air control (at least me) i can understand if it might be a bit much for some, but for me it adds another nuance to mobility someone can learn and it is really important for parkouring.
I would not like it if it was completely removed. I also seen requests sometimes to add inertia to slow down ADAD dodging, tarkov has implemented it and i did not enjoy it there and would not enjoy it here. Any nerf to movement makes peeking and pushing more risky, as headshots become easier so it would lead to more passive and stale gameplay.
I just thought this is important to say as i rarely see a counterpoint being made when it comes to movement rebalancing as i assume the silent majority is simply content with the way it works now.
I don't want to completely disregard other opinions but any changes to the current system have to considered carefully to not upset the player who enjoy the movement the way it is now.

[left rose]

how is it limited? if you keep holding w and turn with your mouse it changes your momentum instantly.

[little carbon]

But all of that is kinda a fixed part of Hunt now, especially since it doesn't make the game worse, just different than other shooters. (Unless you count realism, which hunt isn't striving for) and also mastering the movement is a skill a lot of veterans have put a lot of time in. Invalidating that would feel kinda bad

[unborn smelt]

The direction changes instantly - but your forwards momentum still is not translating to a particularly fast movement in the direction you're facing

while there is some - it's still mostly down and if you jump in one direction it takes quite long to reverse for example

[unborn smelt]

If it makes the game worse or better is personal taste.
And it's not diffrent to other shooters either - it's just very close to arcade shooters in that regard, not to what people would expect

And pressing random directions isn't really smth i'd call mastering movement, but that's what the chicken dance boils down to

giving a forward input mixed with as random as possible other inputs to get somewhere in an unpredictable pattern

and about the invalidating skill argument - agin down to taste.

I personally don't think it invalidates the supposed skill, if doing the equivalent to buttonmashing in a fighting game, gets you out of shitty positions alive, thereby invalidating the positioning skill to a degree

altho i think there are 2 important distinctions to be made, one is the crowd that wants realistic movement which, quite frankly it's too late in the game for as that's not what it tries to do. for me the no midair movement, allowing prone, etc. suggestions are in this category

but there is also the possibility to just try and reduce the arguable lower "skill" arcade movements, mostly the chicken dance and turning while reviving tactics, that only have one goal - which is being as random as possible to minimize the chance of getting hit

there's no real strategy - it's not like you're trying to predict what enemies predict for you and then doing smth diffrent. No mindgames, etc.
It's purely about mixing random inputs with forward momentun to hope you're lucky to not die before you get in range to kill or into cover

[round acorn]

server mods. can you change the bug report channel to have thread only mode? that way we dont have double bug reports on stuff. thanks!

[little carbon]

Yes, i actually agree fully with you. I should have clarified when talking about the movement skill i mostly mean that there are a lot of parkour things you can do in compounds that require some skill to learn. I would also call the ability to precisely turn 180 and snapshot someones head skillfull. I would hate to see these things go. But thats all movement in non-restricted situations. I do agree with the wiggle reduction while in movement lock, as there is no skill in that, you said it yourself

[little carbon]

I think this is the important part. Reductions to anything thats just pressing buttons randomly is fine, but reducing any system that you deliberately and skillfully, albeit arcady, use, shouldt happen just because its more realistic

[lone granite]

Yeah, pretty much like how potato said. But There are times where im getting shot at through heavy brush and I'm wondering if the bushes and whatnot just don't provide enough visual cover from further out. So it'd be nice to see what they were seeing before I got his through dense forest from 90m away. lol

I just feel like it'd be useful in weeding out suspicious players in some situations. Obviously there are RachtaZ's out there who just get some crazy lucky and skilled hits. I even got a yolo extract kill when I levered my winnie at the carriage.

[lone granite]

The difference wouldn't be significant enough to matter, imo, but probably the client of the other player.

Alright. Guy must have gotten off a second choke that I missed. That's for the input, thought I was going crazy there.

[unborn dagger]

I honestly just find it silly that people are actually complaining about jumping in this game.

[lone granite]

Right? I kinda like the idea of the hunter pretending to be superman for a fraction of a second.

[fossil frost]

It just makes me think of the jump into the side of that tower at the south east side of Blanchett you can park our off the railing into the hole in the wall and have an unexpected push instead of the wooden door

[unborn dagger]

Yeah moments like those are fun as hell when it happens

[hazy quartz]

yeah it allows for more unpredictable repositioning which opens up more variation in gameplay which is good for the longevity of the game.

I also want to make a case for "be as random as possible" ,it requires skill to some degree, just making truly random movements is a skill by its self, without training humans tend to fall in a rhythm and then they become predictable, breaking that rhythm needs some practice, same for ADAD spam, many inexperienced players just spam ADAD as fast as possible so they barely move at all they basically just "jitter" in the same place. mixing in arrhythmic long and short strafes makes it way more effective and a good player factors in the RPM of the weapon of the shooter for maximum efficiency. I like it despite it not being realistic but being solely a game thing. That's the appeal of games though, they can bend, restrict or expand the rules of reality/physics for a more fun experience.

@shrewd flare

"Title: Reward/Incentive for playing test server
Description: Only 100 people online... cant even fill a match. There needs to be some kind of incentive that makes more people want to play on the test server"
my worry would be that many would only come to earn their reward, buy the most expensive loadouts they can which will disrupt/distort the gameplay.
It is really hard to test the viability of weapons after some buff/nerfs/rebalancing when half of the server is running around with nitros, avtos, mosins and dolches.
In the matches i played, there was already an inflationary use of high tier weapons. Incentivizing players to play on test server would only exacerbate this problem.
But i agree that testing on test server is difficult with not many players. If they are going to incentivise players to play on test server they also somehow have to limit access to the high tier weapons so that the experience on test server is less distorted.

[shrewd flare]

yea i didnt even think about that

limiting the test server to the stuff that needs to be tested might work though

[hazy quartz]

yeah, i think that would be a good idea

[queen jungle]

Hunt is not working for me is anyone else having this problem

[hazy quartz]

try the troubleshooting channel https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/367784106647486466

[maiden pewter]

You have to overwork the Agro System of zombies. If a Player makes Zombies Agro and sitting nearby in abush the zombie will tag me. But if i get there the zombies ignored me. This makes no sense!

[limber meadow]

The weapons going through walls/windows needs to be fixed XD. I have had 3 people give away their positions because of it

[limber meadow]

People coming from apex probably

[hazy quartz]

i am not sure to what exact line of my message you are answering people not doing ADAD efficiently?

[limber meadow]

Yeah, Apex uses super fast input to jitter around, makes hitting them really hard. Hunt as you say is better if you use wider movements mixedd with jumping

[hazy quartz]

Years ago when i played pubg, i saw many players in pubg basically ADADing so fast on the spot that a headshot was basically as easy as if they were standing completely still. In hunt it is also possible to do a bad ADAD spam.
Can't remember exactly how it was in apex, has been a while since i played apex.

[queen jungle]

ADAD spam isn't really bad anymore ever since inertia was added to it a few years ago tbh

[blissful pewter]

@shrewd flare litteraly went into a match as a duo and there where two 1 star solos

I was sad for them

[shrewd flare]

yea theres a whopping 37 people on the test server atm

[wraith pecan]

@queen jungle Why is there AK in hunt?

[hazy quartz]

it's not an AK though, its an hybrid of the huot and the mosin

[crystal plume]

It's far from "not very good"

[sick anvil]

What do you mean Avto is perfectly busted works fine given you know how to use it

if you shoot at short distance its always groin aim , at medium its aim for the knees , at long distance its for the shoes

always shoot 3 round burst and readjust aim

[shrewd flare]

major skill issue lol

[dense sapphire]

@proud helm (Fully Loaded Guns On Map Entry)
What you describe is actually a nerf to those guns. Having that one extra reserve bullet improves ammo grab from boxes, and quite significantly in some cases.

[proud helm]

They should just get a +1 to their total ammo, and it's just in the gun off the bat. Same reserve, and the one extra bullet in the gun won't make a difference otherwise.

Good catch though, I'll add that.

[dense sapphire]

I mean they could, but it's simpler to keep as is rather than add exceptions to every gun that does that

[proud helm]

While simpler, is significantly worsens several guns to immediate ammo loss. Bornheim, Terminus, and the Spector are all worsened to the already more used competition because of the loss of ammo right off the start. For the other guns effected, it doesn’t add anything to have to load your guns when you’ve just spawned in.

Especially when people like to bring special ammo, you’re usually waiting for a supply cart. But spawn fights and first compound fights happen, putting someone at an immediate disadvantage for reloading their gun off the spawn.

[unborn dagger]

Yeah that's never made any sense to me where the guns have one bullet missing at the start and yet I can reload that one bullet or shell without losing anything.

I can understand the logic with specter and Terminus but even then it's one shell and you don't need to reload it and just save it.

[half stag]

its cause they're trying to emulate the fact that the hunters likely load only the internal magazines fully, and not accounting for the +1 of a bullet in the chamber, which would make carrying it around unsafe (though it is inconsistent given that all the single actions sans for the schofield, would need to be loaded with 5 as there were no safety mechanisms to safely carry with six)

given that they are literally fighting for their lives out in a god-forsaken swamp, I'd imagine that they would take the safety risk to have a higher chance of surviving a shootout lol

[queen jungle]

Yes

Safeties are ignored in real warzones. A lot of militaries don’t even have them on their guns

Most guns didn’t even have safeties until the 1910s

[outer wedge]

#game-ideas message

Not only weapons, i suggested this long time ago, its not only things like Black Market and Events that should be thought as monetization ideas/options, actually rework of the recruit screen should be considered as well, as not only Legendary weapons but the recruit screen should have a box to tick to roll all legendary we purchase with real money/bb, i still think the devs are missing on that, imo.

#game-ideas message

Its overdue at this point, we are in need of a free weekend (Friday included).

[little carbon]

@deep crypt a replay system might actually lead to more people falsely reporting, unless the replay system is built with the fact in mind that it represents all clients and the servers view. Because something that looks weird or suspicious on your screen doesnt necessarily look weird on your opponents screen.
That also means the replay would need to show you 13 different views (12 players + server). All that data has to be sent to each client that was in the match, which could be a massive addition to server load.

[deep crypt]

Yes, maybe an overall replay would be enough, for learning than. You would be able to see how the game has progressed.

[little carbon]

The 2d replay they are working on with the ingame map is a good compromise, if it works as people currently predict. While you will probably only be able to track a teams general movement, exactly that imprecision allows a replay like that to ignore the difference between the different client realities.

[dense sapphire]

Losing one bullet immediately in exchange for better ammo boxes throughout the game is absolutely an advantage. That one bullet is very unlikely to matter whereas the extra ammo grab might matter.

[proud helm]

That’s why I’m saying they should add the extra bullet to the gun entirely, no sacrificing the ammo on the start of the round and no issues with grabbing ammo later.

The weapons this applies to are already weapons with low ammo total, one extra bullet won’t break them whatsoever. But losing a bullet off the top does hurt them enough for it to be a concern and consideration when taking them.

Consider that the Bornheim has 10 reserve ammo, if you reload on the top of the round that goes down to 8, or 9 with bullet grubber. You can’t reload it twice, with the usual 5 round reload, until you find an ammo box. First clue fights or spawn fight still happen, and that means you can legitimately be at a significant disadvantage after shooting till empty twice. Consider the Scottfield swift, you can fully unload it 3 times, no hiccups along the way. You can’t do that with the Bornheim. The Spector and Terminus are good guns in their own right, but because I’m losing ammo half the time I reload, I’d rather just take the Slate for the better reload on that start of the match.

[hot vigil]

I want bornheim to have more ammo, at least the match variant

[proud helm]

Agreed, but for the time being I just want the guns I use to actually start full. Not having it just means some guns lose ammo off the start. And considering that in a non-insignificant number of fights somebody runs out of ammo, it could legitimately make a difference for the better.

[proud helm]

Also keep in mind, I'm not saying they should lose one in reserve for this, they just get 1+ to their total and it's in the gun from game start.

[winged pollen]

Yeah but in a smaller map

Like compound etc

[dense sapphire]

I just view that one lost bullet to be completely insignificant to really care either way. In +95% of circumstances started the round with that bullet loaded will functionally change literally nothing. That one bullet at the game start just doesn’t matter.

[proud helm]

It can when spawn fights will continue to happen even after 1.9 hits. They won't be as quick to start as they are now necessarily, but they will still happen before players get an opportunity to grab from an ammo box. And again, like for the Bornheim, it's made less functional and people who do see it as an issue will use it even less than it already is being used. Same applies for the Spector where people prefer the Slate not only because of speed but because you aren't losing ammo on game start. And, considering new slugs will have a smaller ammo pool, it will matter even more then. I get it doesn't come up in every game, but the fact that it can and potentially hurt the experience of what would otherwise be an even fight, it would be a good quality of life change.

[tulip flint]

I think we seriously need to re buff the solo and Random handicaps again because I am only being give a half star handicap for playing in Randoms, and the MMR system places you in a whole star up or down from your team MMR. There also seems to be no handicap at all playing solo anymore.

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[little carbon]

You already get an increased reward for playing solo, so it's fine that you don't get much easier matches. And randoms aren't that hard at a disadvantage. Good players will be able to keep their teammates positions in their mind and make plays accordingly. There are of course a few things randoms do have trouble with, but half a star is definitely enough to compensate

[wind ruin]

Nah, solo is fine. I'm play every time solo in duos

[little carbon]

@vocal storm
We don't need a "real" region lock. A lot of people enjoy playing the game with friends from other regions.
And I also really don't see a reason to single out any region to be more likely to be cheaters.
And from my experience of playing on EU for more than 1000 hours, the cheater situation is by far not as bad as you make it out to be. I have seen one situation where I was confident to call cheats

[ocean holly]

Downloaded test server 30 odd gig to help test the new weapons etc and its copied my live hunt profile which had just prestiged now I have no access to any of the new stuff. Nice job guys!

[crystal plume]

I mean there are no new guns to begin with

[ocean holly]

Thanks very useful. I mean the weapon changes. But forget it

[queen jungle]

@deep crypt The devs have previously stated they decided against a prone position (as well as leaning mechanic) to encourage more direct PvP encounters

[deep crypt]

Ah, thanks!

[queen jungle]

Is console down right now?

[tribal wyvern]

@normal igloo
People seem very frightened by this spark poison.
I genuinly see no reason to play it.
It will def have a big exposure at the start, because ppl go "omg so op i can do 149dmg + poison lmao."

But in reality you poison them, they wait 5seconds & heal back up.
Unless you go hard on a push right as you poison them, It won't do anything & you usually do not push with a spark or go into close quarter battles.

I think people overreact & it will die within the first week again.

I would rather have poison do less dmg & last alot longer & antidote just reducing the time you're poisoned by like half or something.

Imagine if you hit someone with poison & they're poisoned for like 10+ seconds. You can do alot more with that, than poisoning & its gone in a few seconds.

People thought fire ammo on spark would be OP cuz u could burn away a small part of a bar & guarantee next shot to be oneshot, but you know, news flash, ppl don't peek then.

[unborn smelt]

Sparks afaik does intense poison which is half a minute

[normal igloo]

Fire ammo doesn't prevent you from healing to pretty much full, strong poison just means you're fucked in high mmr.

[unborn smelt]

Well if poison gets popular - the antidote is a thing

and while it may be tedious, you can heal with ghoul even while poisoned

[normal igloo]

That is a joke right? Do you think you can go kill some grunts when you got poisoned? Sure the enemy will wait for you to do that, assuming there are grunts alive, assuming those grunts are in a safe place. And my point isn't that there isn't a counter, which there is in antidote, but the antidote shot itself is bad game design. Either you get big value out of it or 0, none of which has anything to do with skill, purely a matter of rng/probability. If we assume it becomes meta it would remove one consumable slot for items with actual skill expression, if it's not meta then it is a pointless item. The antidote shot is way too binary.

[native lodge]

nah its fine

Mithridatist actually might be useful now since I won't be giving up stam shots for antidotes

poison ammo having zero pen, makes it a lot less useful the moment the target knows you have it since the easy counter play is to just use cover more

[hazy quartz]

sparks can have split ammo though

or your sidearm can have pen or, be explosive or even a flash can kill

[fluid locust]

Plus secondaries exist

I just wanna meme with poison sense lol

[hazy quartz]

yeah this^ wasn't able to use poison sense once since they added it.

[native lodge]

still think poison ammo is going to remain pretty niche

[vital drum]

I definitely don't think it should be nerfed right now. Put it on live server and let it play out for a bit. Having no penetration is a huge downside.

[queen jungle]

sparks poison ammo poison sense with an fmj sidearm im salivating

[queen jungle]

@plain briar what’s a diopter?

[digital nacelle]

@plain briar what’s a diopter?

[hazy quartz]

this i guess

basically an aperture sight.

[proud helm]

Use cover, poison still has 0 penetration. That's the trade off. The only circumstances right now where poison matters significantly will be the same circumstances that you could be hit and pushed anyways, meaning you are only getting punished for poor positioning, not because you got poisoned. They aren't pushing just because you are poisoned, they are pushing because you've been hit by a Sparks. And, Mithridatist is useful again, as are antidote shots! As for the lost tool slot, there are enough tool boxes around to supplement that with something of value.

Genuinely, I'd rather have the poison ammo a little strong atm than it being entirely useless. It's the same thing as the Centennial, it was a disappointment constantly, and now it has an actually functional role. It may be strong, but that's not a bad thing. Poison is good specifically to put pressure on the opponent, then push, it's not just entirely overpowered. And because the Sparks is not at all made to push, you have to first HIT the target, which will be harder with proper positioning on their end, and then be faster than they are to get your other gun out and go for the kill before they get out of reach due to sightlines or full cover.

If someone could kill you with poison ammo, they didn't need the poison ammo to do it.

[normal igloo]

I'll be honest this doesn't sound at all how high mmr games go in reality. But then again I'm kind of getting sick of this game adding even more lootboxes so maybe I'll just take a break of the game until they nerf it again.

[unborn dagger]

Man I just wanted antidote to not make you fully immune, I just don't exactly care for them buffing the damage of the bullet.

[proud helm]

The only way to circumvent the issues I see coming from poison ammo is to lower the muzzle velocity of it by a decent margin. It either requires you to be actively pushing, fulfilling its role, or you have to be a very good shot, which should be rewarded as such.

[proud helm]

Genuine recommendation for this, play with sub optimal loadouts and just try to have fun with it. Do dumb and risky stuff, don't play like it's 6 stars, play like it's 4-5.

Like yeah, you could run whatever the meta is atm, but what if you ran 2 match pistols with high velocity instead? Or 2 short Springfields with half dumdum and half explosive.

[normal igloo]

I play all kind of loadouts, this feedback wasn't about what I play but about balance.

And "play like it's 4*" is a bit impossible, since that has nothing to do with guns but more about inability to aim and/or lack of map knowledge and movement.

[sharp arrow]

Poison ammo buff is fine on the Sparks. 90% of the time the poison effect won’t change how strong a follow up is after a regular long ammo hit anyways

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[spice spire]

when does the new update come out

oh wrong chat

[burnt mulch]

@deep crypt you can already compare special ammo to regular. Select the gun and hover over the special ammo, and it’ll be shown on the gun stats.

[unborn smelt]

Yeah i didnt mean run around on 1 hp finding 30 grunts to heal full.
It was more of a "here some info you might not know, thst may save your ass one day"

[warm zephyr]

i think it should have some reduced damage. you try playing like an ass in asia servers you gonna get steamrolled.

[queen jungle]

@fossil frost For immersion it'd probably be a good idea if only the Hunters' names were shown. Although "unknown" should remain, after all we're just lost souls trying to make a living in the Bayou

[warm zephyr]

btw how does the new aftermatch team names work? would love to see the people i tagged

[unborn smelt]

Meh - i'd give it some time first...
If ots too stronf they can still tweak it

And theres still antidotes and mithridatist

[warm zephyr]

getting tagged by sparks poison is how long that you can't heal?

[fossil frost]

I agree with you just add more "value" to a character name no one will know charly brown was running around there match( a free hunter I recruited the other day) but I also get no one would actually know the names

[unborn smelt]

IIRC 30 sec

[warm zephyr]

imo quite strong compared to dumdum and incen

i think posion ammo should still take 10% off of the direct hit damage

[burnt mulch]

@crude hollow repost your idea to fix bot reacts so i can downvote it

needs to have a title and description

[unborn smelt]

Meh - in the past it was absolutely useless

With only an about 20% dmg reduction

[wraith pecan]

This is very bullshit, this thing is not useful, a waste of development resources, have this mind, why not go to do the game optimization, network optimization, bug repair, game balance work, and the hidden information, do not know what to do out, basically for cheaters to use.

[queen jungle]

Everybody is entitled to their own personal opinion

[wraith pecan]

Then how about taking a survey to see how many people care about this unknown.

Wouldn't it be nice to make some balance adjustments and nerf the AK a bit? In a bolt-action gun game inside an AK, really have you.

[ruby magnet]

You're.... referring to the avtomat I take it. Which is a feast or famine gun. You either slay everything within 15 meters or run a full spray and not hit a single bullet. I think people think dualwielding is stronger than an avtomat is.

[ruby magnet]

I'm of the opinion that poison needed help in some form. Giving it the dum dum treatment is one easy way to do it.
Another change I heard sometime was to eliminate the damage drop off an have it behave like a shotbolt. The cartridge is a glass vial that shatters and injects it on impact.
Sure you could say that the longer the distance the more velocity it loses while in flight, but it felt like a creative solution.

Besides. Upping the damage means you can once again two tap with the nagant pistols which is a big benchmark for guns in Hunt Showdown.

[wraith pecan]

Sniper rifles are also made to look stupid. I have been killed from 300m away.

[ruby magnet]

That rare instance where you have a 300 meter sightline and people actually show up there.

[wraith pecan]

Not rare, but extreme.

In fact 150m outside the sniper has an absolute advantage, while ordinary firearms basically can not fight.

[ruby magnet]

That's... saying it happens even less likely than what I given it credit for... meaning you saying sniper rifles look stupid is even less of a meaningful problem.

Yes but how often do you really pick a fight at over 150 meters?

Hoping on that crack headshot with your springfield/ vetterli? Sure be my guest but don't complain fighting in a range department where the mosin or sparks sniper has better odds killing you.

[wraith pecan]

You have to add steam friends in order to team up, so why don't you do something "unknown" and hide the information, and why don't you learn from PUBG to team up directly in the game? And PUBG's restart lobby feature is very useful, but I don't see it being learned. I rarely restart the game when playing other games, but I need to restart often when playing hunt.

Don't say anything about the frequency of fights, when I hold a sniper rifle, I just shoot from 100m away. No ballistic drop anyway.

[ruby magnet]

And you should. Because that's why snipers are good at that range. However if you're underfire from a sniper... why in the world would you not close the distance and rotate around to even the playing field?

[ripe basalt]

"Cheaters" Will use information that is hidden regardless. Showing this information after match has nothing to do with how cheater utilize that information inmatch.

Second, the bold assumption that everyone who works on UI also work on everything else in your wish list is just absurd. There's a development pipeline that is spread across the entire Crytek team. This applies to every field of work. Network team isn't working on the "Game balance" For the "Hunt AK" you keep bring up for example.

Third, there is no "Hunt AK". There is, however, the Avtomat. Which has been in the game for many years now.

[wraith pecan]

And video reporting this thing, hidden information + garbled code name, video to you, how do you find the person being reported? (Afraid not to pretend to say they are receiving video reports), before all said, either to remove the hidden information, or add an extra uuid in the viewing information page.

It has the firepower of an AK, it has the oppressive power of an AK, so I call it an AK. and who does not understand the meaning of this AK?

Many bug exploiters will use "hidden information + garbled code name"

[dim heron]

The team has telemetrics on all matches that happen. By providing them a date/time you played the match and information about the match you are looking to report they will be able to look into the match on your account.

[little carbon]

I won't argue that the Avtomat is strong, but it only really is good in the hands of someone who has spent a good chunk of time to learn the weapon. Most players use it as a worse shotgun and are relatively easy outplayed

[wraith pecan]

The first time I used the Avtomat, I killed 6 players, I was a novice at that time, on what grounds do you define the Avtomat as a difficult gun to use? The Avtomat is very easy to control at high EDPI.

[dim heron]

Avto is easy enough to play against, it's not that strong.

[little carbon]

You do know that if you report in-game, it doesn't matter if their names are not readable, because the report sends s reference of the reported person's steam profile instead of just the name as s string. In case of the name being hidden, you have no reason to report someone as they didn't interact with you.

In case of stats being hidden, again a) crytek can still see them and b) you should decide on whether you report based on someone's action not their stats.

[little carbon]

What I am saying is that you could probably have done the same with a crown and king.
Since you were saying that you were a novice at the time, i am also assuming that it was at lower ELO where people just don't know how to deal with the gun

[wraith pecan]

If people need to trust in-game reporting, except for those who abuse it. Every report should have a feedback. Otherwise not many people will trust in-game reporting.

[little carbon]

Report Feedback is a really bad idea, people are already claiming cheats way too often, and a direct feedback system would lead to a lot of "why wasn't this person banned" .
But we are getting feedback regardless bans sometimes. I think a few times they gave ban numbers.

[wraith pecan]

The hunt's nasty bugs are numerous and frequent, and slow to fix. I hope there is another solution, for example, if you kill 5 people with a vicious bug, you will be banned for 30 days. If you kill 10 people, you will be banned permanently. It doesn't matter if it's the same bug or not. And this rule is notified to everyone. You guys need to have your own steam id and statistics on the number of players killed with malicious bugs.

The uuid information should be added to the info information of the game watch. In-game reporting is really bullshit. Except for violent cheaters, many bugs can't be seen in the kill data.

Learn from PUBG's restart lobby feature to make the game more comfortable for HUNT players.

There is time to consider in-game teaming directly, do not necessarily have to add steam friends before teaming.

Everyone has their own interpretation of the strength of Avtomat, but at least the people I know think it's too strong.

Yes, I'm teaching you guys how to do things. I think you guys should at least discuss what I'm talking about at your weekly meetings or whatever, instead of just ignoring it and then continuing to think you're doing a great job.

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[little carbon]

Please dont. You are just one player of the community and you having an opinion doesnt make it factually right. Cryteks employees are doing a good enough job. (Especially considering bugs when looking at 1.9).
They are also trained to do what they do, whilst you are probably not and therefore will probably not be able to fully understand the impact some ideas could have on the game if implemented.
And as someone with experience in the field of development i can say that your ideas arent as perfect and simple as you make them out to be. I dont mean this as an insult, but as a statement that a lot of things that sound simple are not.

Also, you can absolutely report people that havent killed you. You can make an ingame report on any person in the endgame screen that isnt unknown, which is everyone you interacted with in a meaningful way. If they didnt kill you, get killed by you, talked close to you or even held the bounty, its unlikely that they cheated in any way that impacted you.

[tribal wyvern]

Could you find some info on this?
I was trying to take it to google & best i found was the Wiki that said intense is 15-20seconds.
And i've a hard time seeing Spark poisoning for 20seconds, let alone 30.

Some Reddit pages says it only poisons for 8 seconds which sounds much more reasonable. And is what i've been told aswell, that Spark poison is practically useless for how short it lasts.

I know Leech does intense poison & im not sure weapons can do that strong, even Spiders is medium which is 5-15seconds.

I wanna try it, if theres no reduction on the poison when you shoot a teammate i could grab a friend & try it.

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Conditions

Personally i would imagine the bow or Xbow do far stronger poison than a bullet. And they don't do 30seconds afaik

[burnt mulch]

@bitter frost ads while jumping isn’t accurate.

[unkempt warren]

Big shout out to the Devs and Crytek. Amazing customer service and help. Almost impossible to find in today’s world and especially in the gaming community.

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[proud helm]

Don’t. One loud opinion doesn’t mean it’s what the community actually wants. Even if 50 people agree with you this game has ~10k players daily, give or take 5k, that would need to agree with that.

Remember that guns are balanced pretty well all things considered, and the Avto being almost dedicated to close range. It’s a glorified shotgun, yeah if you rush up on people it’ll work well. You lose to snipers, that happens, if Crytek didn’t want people sniping they wouldn’t give some guns +200m effective ranges. You have to adapt and maybe change how you play to work around that. That’s also why they’re making more compound changes, so you can play around people that would otherwise be holding your only exit.

Cheating is very infrequent, and is only used once in a while when an exploit rears its ugly head. But, like the LeMat bug, they are made aware of it and work to fix it ASAP.

And the big one, stop comparing this game to PUBG. They are very different games and play very differently. Mechanics that work in that game wouldn’t work here, and vice versa.

[nova canyon]

Also, PUBG is a buggy mess with no performance and isn't even looking good. And is infected with cheaters.... So taking it as exemple is... Well.

[sick anvil]

@wanton valve those are players who have not spend money on DLC or BBs in more than a month they are fed to the whales as plankton

[hazy quartz]

sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. they could also just be high 4/5 stars. as MM is not based on the stars but on a hidden number.

[sick anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[queen jungle]

Someone has never worked on a video game (or likely any software)

[atomic cipher]

@sick anvil nice feedback on the Black Market. And yes of course they do everything to make ppl spend more. Gotta get those moneys somehow 😄

[atomic cipher]

on the other hand you do hire more ppl (spend more resources ) to cover the spots most critical to your product's success and development.

[unborn smelt]

I could be wrong - and i'll happily admitt i'm wrong if you find a source that says otherwise

I'll see if u can find info in the devstream when i come home to my deskzop pc

But could be me missrembering and its 20 sec

@vocal storm Trading with knives might be an issue for gameplay - but by no means unrealistic

Quite the opposite in fact - trading in melee combat is actually very very common

[vocal storm]

for other melee weapons okay, but with knives I dont think so

[unborn smelt]

Killing each other is very common in general bladed melee combat because you dont die instantly irl.

[half stag]

I say trading with melee is fine, but the trade window is too forgiving and the fact that most of the time, you don't see them actually stike or charge attack in time and it just looks like you died after you stabbed them

[unborn smelt]

You can be mortally wounded and fight for another couple minutes.
And yes irl, "trading" is less likely to occur if you have a higher reach weapon, yet its still very yery likely

[unborn smelt]

I'm purely arguing realism - since they claimed its unrealistic

[half stag]

I c

[unborn smelt]

But if you do some fencing or anything along that line you know from exoerience how likely trades are irl.

[atomic sky]

has anyone developed a strategy that incorporates the "poison sense" trait into a poison-focused build?

[unborn smelt]

Propably not

[burnt mulch]

no, cuz poison sense is shit, but if you wanted to you could do something like
poison + fmj

[unborn smelt]

Until now poison was pretty damn bad

[burnt mulch]

or poison sparks since you can swap back to non-shit ammo

[unborn smelt]

And non poison ammo is propably still baf

[burnt mulch]

or poison handcrossbow cuz it’s actually useful for PvE

[atomic sky]

i was thinking something like trio with poison + alerts, also frontiersman. you could camp so easy lol

[unborn smelt]

Yeah no

If you use darksight to find them - by the time you pulled out your gun again they are not where you saw em anymore

Its just too slow to actually wallbang

[atomic sky]

if the trips are on the perimeter of the compund, they won't know you have their position

[unborn smelt]

Still why should they juat sit in an easily wallbangable space

When they just walked into a stationary trap

Making it very likely people are nearby

I mean depending on your ELO it may work - but generally you're much better off just using smth useful instead

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Why Specter bayonet has lower dmg than normal specter?!!!!!! for example romero standart has 200dmg, then i can pay more and get romero talon, talon has 200dmg cost more and has knife as bonus for higher price,why its not the same with specter bayonet?!!! I pay more for lower dmg on specter bayonet 185 vs 175 on bayonet version?!!!```

[atomic sky]

the idea is that you tag them early with poison, get a trace on their spot, and instead of them slowly creeping up on the compound, you maintain the high ground

[burnt mulch]

if you want to use poison trips as alert trips, sure

seems like a mediocre use of a tool slot

also, if people are creeping, it’s all the more likely that tripmines dont work.

[atomic sky]

in my experience, people don't start creeping until they are on the inside of the compound. They don't expect the alert on the first fence in (maybe I shouldn't be giving away my secrets LUL)

I don't mean the main building, I mean the outskirts surrounding it

[burnt mulch]

shrugs

you’re free to try it, I’m just not very convinced.

the further you place the mine the greater the perimeter and the more different places they could come from.

there’s a reason people generally dont put kill mine traps in the middle of nowhere

[atomic sky]

unless it's OG scupper lake

joking aside, 9 poison trips on a trio running poison sense and frontiersman holding down a compound with deadeyes and marksmans could be effective with solid coordination

[tribal wyvern]

Tbh so far the best poison strat has been, shoot with Sparks poison & throw your flashbangs

Guaranteed kill on hit.

And cuz poison you get a bit of extra time before he regens his hp

[atomic sky]

people bring multiple flashbangs?!

[unborn dagger]

Yes?

[burnt mulch]

tbh a guaranteed strategy for fun is to just all stack the same thing

[unborn dagger]

Like having 4 frag bombs and spamming them

[little carbon]

You are absolutely right here, especially with knives it was quite common for two duelists to kill each other, even if they were unequally skilled. With actual swords it was less likely but still occured moreso when both fighters where somewhat equally good

[burnt mulch]

3x springfield explosive, 3x3 decoy fuses, 3x4 dynamite

3x chaos bolt hand crossbow, 3x6 blankfire, 3x4 chaos bomb

the possibilities are limited only by your imagination

[atomic sky]

i thought we were talking viable poison builds

on that note, everybody bringing 4x poison bombs covers every entrance for 5 minutes

[burnt mulch]

shrugs poison sense is a meme imo, even in a “poison build”

[atomic sky]

what if we called it "le build du toxic"?

[unborn smelt]

It's still very common with swords but also depends greatly on use of shields etc

which i left out becuase hunt at best has weapon vs weapon, neither of which are very capably of defense

[atomic sky]

essentially caustic from apex with everybody running the plague doctor skin

[unborn smelt]

chokes clear poison clouds

so Yes - but actually no

[atomic sky]

[unborn smelt]

was implemented because people used to poison bomb dead bodies instead of burning, which made them unrevivable for 6 min, unless both had an antidote

[tawny tangle]

Damn yall really dont want emotes. Why?

[little carbon]

Also on the type of sword used. European Swords, especially shorter ones, like an Arming Sword or a Gladius were more common to "trading", whereas most fencing style swords or Katana Style Blades were less likely. Although less common here not meaning that it was rare. Just significantly less common as with daggers.

And you are right, shields add a completely different dynamic

[hazy quartz]

a hit doesn't even have to be fatal, would be enough to disable them for the battle and then they probably die from infection.

[sick anvil]

one of the mele weapons is literally a pokey bit and a bent rod

[atomic sky]

you wouldn't even be able to necromance them unless thay had resilience...sad