feedback-discussion

[dense shuttle]

IT DIDN'T EVEN HIT, ARE YOU BLIND?

that's an extreme case of purchase justification syndrome lol

[frigid folio]

Okay in this case im willing to admit I am wrong, I was basing my information on the video that you had sent. Obviously missing some frames does change the entire narrative xD But yes either way i did agree with you, hit reg in this game is pretty shit sometimes

[austere maple]

he cliks heads even blindfolded

that good

[dense shuttle]

i couldn't upload it any other way.

it hits the 8mb limit

[clever prawn]

oh well go cry then

git gut

[frigid folio]

Yea, wish there wasnt a limit sometimes :/ If there is a next time where you upload something like that though probably just chuck those pictures in with it too (not blaming you!! Just to save confusion ya know xD)

[clever prawn]

i honestly wonder why theres a limit, just for the money for nitro or sum?

[deep kernel]

yeah

[frigid folio]

Even nitro has a limit doesnt it?

[deep kernel]

yeah but 100mb iirc

[austere maple]

and you will clickheads gg

[deep kernel]

and there you need like a full movie or smth

[clever prawn]

yes you cant git gut

[dense shuttle]

They were uploaded on bug reports

[dense shuttle]

Storage costs money

[frigid folio]

Also i could just be pulling a stupid here or do you magically get your ammo back half way through this clip? xD

[dense shuttle]

Yes but the shots really fire in the server

They could be heard by other people

Just not doing any dmg

[wind stream]

if you see the muzzle flash its a frame too late

you have to look at the frame before the muzzle flash

[dense shuttle]

What a mod would say lol

[wind stream]

the truth?

[dense shuttle]

Multiple people agreed that it missed on bug reports

Holy.. stop judging the poop networking

There are other clips with better precision yet same problem

[wind stream]

this one for example looks like bad hitreg

should have hit

but this is the frame you should look at

[dense shuttle]

He is not even moving you can't blame extrapolation or interpolation or whatever the game uses as a network smoothness method

There are pictures attached that shows the firing frame

It's a clear hit

This is the frame

[wind stream]

the dual wield ones might be bad luck, difficult to tell with RNG involved

[wind stream]

I just said I think it should have been a hit too, but the frame you should look at is the one before the muzzle flash

[dense shuttle]

Other people say the opposite

But all of the frames indicate a hit

The dual weild is not rng

It's just bad netcode

I had infinite ammo

[normal horizon]

Wasn't full ads by the looks of it

[dense shuttle]

Without any damage

[wind stream]

oh right, I forgot about that

[dense shuttle]

You can see the sparks behind

Unless it happens client-side and it's bogus

So by the server standards I hit the sky

[normal horizon]

if it isnt full ads it fires inaccurate like hipfire

[dense shuttle]

I'm still holding on to the fact that you can see the bullet land behind her

In the same line as my cross hair

Unless it is confirmed that they are generated clientside

Therefore have no meaning

[austere maple]

so no full ads and there are guided bullets gg everything is sorted out

[little carbon]

One of the dual wield one also just looks like the network was dying. The guns just reloaded themselves

@proud narwhal it makes weapons inconsistent to recognize. You currently can see an enemy hunter hold a skin and that gives you info on what they are using.

[jovial flint]

@clever prawn
Giving spitzer to the Martini Henry would turn it to the Martini-Enfield variant, possible like a centennial

[clever prawn]

idk but i dotn want it to be like a centennial

i just want it to be martini spitzer

im not big brain with guns but i think the spitzer would fit very well with the martini

[jovial flint]

I suppose some flexibility is possible,
Cuz I remember the .303 variant required a rebarrel to the Enfield rifled barrel and a new extractor for conversion

Can be done but it wouldn’t be the same MH

[wispy folio]

@floral vapor So you'd make the saber cost as much as a Musket Bayonet or Martini riposte? LOL

There are only two ways of saving the machete at this point (and at this point i mean now that Saber, Ripostes and Bayonets, and even the throwing axes with Assailant are a better choise) are two:

1. Outright make the machete a tool, which would be a final unlock of the knife tree and slightly better than the heavy knife
2. Give as a 2 point trait that would allow us to take machetes into the tool slot. Thats the best way in my opinion since you have to invest into a trait and they dont have to balance it at all.

[floral vapor]

WHO PINGED ME

Ah

Hello dexta

[floral vapor]

I mean I think all of the guns should have a price increase for the most part, with some exceptions

Economy as a whole needs a top-to-bottom rework

Money is a non-factor in most cases, the only guns where money is an object is the avto and Auto-5

[clever prawn]

hmm interesting, so technically the spitzer would fit in the martini? or am i seeing this wrong

[floral vapor]

But I do think that the machete needs... something

IDK about a tool, if it were a tool it would almost be kind of broken

I just don't really know what would make it worth using

Whoops wrong channel

[clever prawn]

memes

like poisonj ammo

[floral vapor]

Honestly

if we could coat the machete with different kinda of coatings

It would be pretty cool

It's just really hard to imagine what would make the machete worth it without some massive changes to the saber

The ONLY thing I used the machete for was to unlock the saber, and I'm not even sure if the machete was what did it or if it's just a bloodline weapon that I happened to be using the machete when I acquired it

Then I took the saber

Saber is so damn cheap that I don't see a reason to use the machete, only thing machete does better is light attacks, and you'll RARELY be using lights

If we gave the machete combat coatings people would complain that other melees don’t also get it

[jovial flint]

Because it needs a new barrel and extractor, it’s a new variant by that convention.

[clever prawn]

hmm

well

since we just have 3 ammo classes id think its fine

[dense shuttle]

The whole game was fine. Just my duals were mot

Some packets got lost and I probably got desynchronised with the server game state

[tawdry axle]

Is this the correct place to complain about the new quest system? I hate it

[wispy folio]

yes

its a damn grinfest

[tawdry axle]

I used to always choose the ones that would complete themselves as I played. But recently I dont even bother with it anymore.

[pure quest]

That would be #feedback or suggest how to improve it in #game-ideas

[weary skiff]

Been playing Hunt recently and I had avg 40 fps but year ago i had avg 60 fps on min settings.
pc specs:
gtx 1060 3gb
intel core i5 7600k 3.8 ghz
16 gb ram

that problem appeared probably after 1.8 update

[queen jungle]

@floral vapor IIRC the auto tab-in was done to make people aware of the fact that the game is starting, since some previously complained that there was no such indicator and they'd miss the beginning of a match while on their desktop.

[floral vapor]

I never autotab when joining, only when going back to menu

[steady prism]

or maybe rework it so it is an alternative to sabre

like... sabre has light slashing, heavy piercing

make machete use slashing/slashing deal comparable dmg to sabre and increase swing arc

[vague patio]

^

[wispy folio]

Whatever you do to it, even if you buff it to OHK like every other melee weapon it will still be worse range than the Saber and in a game where you can be one shotted in the head with Dusters this makes all the difference

[unborn smelt]

I'd argue it doesnt make a huge diffrence - a bit, sure.

But with the way lagcomp works reach aint that big of a deal for PvP

[odd oasis]

Saber reach really makes it what it is. It helps with preventing melee trades immensely. I use it a lot and whenever I use another melee i always release too soon since the Sabre has spoiled me with its reach. Dont even see the point of the combat axe sometimes. Only thing machete has going for it if it could OHK is its heavy would be a swipe across the screen, instead of a lunge(still not as good, but could potentially kill 2 targets, rare.)

[wispy folio]

The best solution for both the Machete and the Axe is what ive been saying all along, give us a trait costing 2-3 points that would allow us to take the Machete and the Axe in the tool slots (Axe could take 2 slots). That would allow us to enjoy the weapon skins without gimping ourselves, give the clearly pointless "weapons" some utility and since its a trait that we have to get Crytek doesnt need to balance or change them in any way.

[odd oasis]

Both really do need some work. To be frank a Romero hatchet is just a better axe. It can 1 tap in melee and it can be fired. Both are medium slot. I only take axe for the satisfaction of killing someone with an axe, which does feel pretty good

[wispy folio]

Thats why i think my solution is best solution

[dawn falcon]

Someone want to repair this shitty random disconect?

[clever prawn]

no

[tribal wyvern]

@proud helm
Not sure we wanna do R6siege operation health on Hunt.
It fucked R6siege hard when they did it. Even more bugs were implemented, gamebreaking ones. Game was barely playable.

[clever prawn]

would be shit honestly

[wispy folio]

why?

[clever prawn]

op traits

[wispy folio]

how is that op?

[clever prawn]

would make the everything but the dusters totally invalid

[oblique knoll]

I actually would not mind if a trait like that existed but it took up all tool slots

[clever prawn]

you dont need close range compensation in your gun loadout

[tribal wyvern]

So you would take a trait to have machete in your tool slot, so you have no space for medkit?

[oblique knoll]

I personally would not do it all the time but it would be fun once in awhile

just stack vit shots

[tribal wyvern]

Would be a very very very tiny niche amount of ppl who would or streamers for content.

[oblique knoll]

its not going to be meta

but

it would just add a playstyle

[tribal wyvern]

No shit it won't be meta, it's an awful loadout

[oblique knoll]

Never said it would be great

It's just something to do when bored

[clever prawn]

its just totally shit

[tribal wyvern]

^

[clever prawn]

the whole idea of the trait is shit

why would it be satisfying to kill someone with an axe or chete if its a tool

[tribal wyvern]

Just play winfield + machete. And u get what u want without a trait & fucking over ur heals.

[oblique knoll]

I do enjoy how the community shuts people down with such grace.

[tribal wyvern]

Winfield doesnt need a secondary

You want a trait, that essentially gives u a knife & removes all ur tools

Come on man

[oblique knoll]

I never suggested it

I am just saying its a thing I would not mind playing once in awhile

can have my main gun set with a big melee item

[tribal wyvern]

Again, you can right now.
Just slap on a machete, whats stopping you?

[oblique knoll]

I can see how some people would enjoy it

I am saying having a rifle + pistol + machete or axe

[tribal wyvern]

But heavy knife is essentially the machete

[oblique knoll]

Not really

two different items

lol

I get what you are saying

I am just saying I could see how people would enjoy the trait

but lets just be profane and laugh at people

[wispy folio]

Because right now both the Machete and the Axe are pointless weapons

and no it woulnt be op at all

[tribal wyvern]

And they'll remain to be so forever

[clever prawn]

no

they are not pointless

you just dont have taste

😄

[oblique knoll]

Relative to what loadouts you can go for? They are pretty useless.

[wispy folio]

no they are pointless literally

[tribal wyvern]

Heavy knife is pretty much machete.

Bottom is heavy knife

[oblique knoll]

@tribal wyvern but it is not machete

so

[tribal wyvern]

Whats the difference??

LIke 10 dmg

[oblique knoll]

look at the stats

[wispy folio]

the Axe you can find in the world and the machete is the only melee "weapon" that cant OHK

[oblique knoll]

there are differences

some people like machete better

[tribal wyvern]

And you want to remove ALL your tools for 10 damage?

??!?!?!

[oblique knoll]

I mean, when I am playing for fun sure

Idc

this game aint competitive

[wispy folio]

Why would you need to them to take all the slots i dont get it it wouldnt be OP at all

[tribal wyvern]

I mean i find fire ammo & poison & bleed ammo "memey."
But atleast they have a function.

That idea is just dumb

[oblique knoll]

To you it might be.

Some people would be fine with it

[tribal wyvern]

No, you would be & Dexta, but he wants to remove 2 slots not 4.

[oblique knoll]

its almost like some people like the idea

almost like its subjective

🙂

[tribal wyvern]

No, so far it's only you

Cuz he wants to remove 2, not 4. So clearly not agreeing with you.

[oblique knoll]

only 4 people have discussed this

two like it

two dont

subjective

I honestly dont care how many slots it takes in tools

[wispy folio]

Machete 1 Axe 2 slots

thats it

[oblique knoll]

sounds fine

[tribal wyvern]

Tbf Axe is needed to unlock throwing axe, so it has a purpose.
But the machete is 100% useless.

[wispy folio]

and for people saying it would be "OP" heres a fun fact: The Throwing axe has already more heavy damage 142 vs 135 (and thats without the Assailant perk!) so if you run a stam shot or have determination there is already a tool thats better than the machete, a weapon.

[tribal wyvern]

Even more reasons just to yeet & delete the machete.

It used to be good, now its useless

Kinda wish i played during Winfield/machete meta times

[proud helm]

Yeah I’m saying it in concept, not exactly how they did it. The idea is we need to take the time to fix what’s here already before we continue to implement content that will only make that harder in the future.

[tribal wyvern]

Well i wonder if it will give the results you want.
Also it requires Crytek to admit that the game is in a fucked state.

And to confirm that it actually is

[wispy folio]

Both the Machete and the Axe have some great skins but i am refusing to gimp myself to play them. A trait that would allow them to be taken as tools would fix all their issues.

[tribal wyvern]

Axe is prob a bit to strong to be a tool tho

[wispy folio]

If it would take 2 tool slots and would cost an extra trait i dont see how it would be game breaking, You can find axes on the map and its hardly a meta. Nevermind that the axe has a range of a knife headshot anyway (have traded a lot of melee back in the haloween event)

[frosty garnet]

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[clever prawn]

machete is not pointkess

[tribal wyvern]

Can you elaborate why? It deals bout the same dmg as heavy knife & it takes a weapon slot

[wispy folio]

It's literally the only melee "Weapon" that doesn't OHK and there is already a "tool" the Throwing Axe that does more heavy melee damage than it. Literally pointless is the Machete, at least as a weapon.

[clever prawn]

That's its your opinion does not make it a fact

[unborn smelt]

Bruh - they're literally listing facts in that last comment

And while yes if we're splitting hairs there is a point to bringing a machete

Its cheaper than a sabre, and its used to meme on peeps.

But its not enough for it to be worth gameplay wise to a meaningful amount of players.
And its masdively overshadowed by many melee tools, the sabre and all melee attachments.

[wispy folio]

I think he made his mind 🤣

[odd oasis]

Only way to make machete worth while is to remove it and add pitchforks, shovels, and sledges in its place, who's with me?

[fluid locust]

I want a shovel in my tool slot

It might not make sense

But I want to hear that BONK god damnit

[odd oasis]

One of those smaller trench shovels could fit as a tool, maybe

[fluid locust]

Etool

Wonder if those existed yet

Think they were made for ww1 for trench warfare if I remember correctly

I'll be content with a garden spade

[odd oasis]

I'll be happy for the world spawn melee weapons to just be purchasable. Nice memes to be had and weapons to mess with without having to find them or drop them to cycle through your kit. But an etool would be pretty cool

[coarse compass]

Is region locking hunt in the road map?

[sharp veldt]

In a previous dev stream, it has been mentioned that there will be some form of ping limit/region lock in the future.

[ripe basalt]

@coral nymph Game bans on user accounts only show up on their steam profile if it's a VAC ban. This is how Steam works, not a Crytek issue.

[coral nymph]

I know, that´s what I am saying. I am saying that Crytek mods should make it more known that that is how it works, as it is quite illogical and counter-intuitive, so most players end up assuming that "no game ban on account" = "no game ban on account". I mean, now that I write it out, it really sounds ridiculous that that´s actually not the case, huh?

[native lodge]

well VAC bans are steam only things.. its in the name

[coral nymph]

Oh, actually, no, you got that wrong. Game bans (Hunt included) do in fact show on Steam profiles, as long as they are permanent. Sorry, misread.

[ripe basalt]

I see that as well now, EAC now does apply Steam Profile bans.

But there's a different regardless from EAC/VAC game bans from Manual limited game bans.

VAC Bans are permanent, and so are EAC Bans. Temporary bans don't showcase on Steam Profile.

Temporary bans given by game companies simply don't show up on the Steam profile. Your issue would be with Steam, not Crytek.

[coral nymph]

My dude.

My point is not that Crytek does not make the bans show and they should. My point is that they should make it KNOWN that this is how things work. So that players do not believe that that blatant pre-teamer in QP that they spent 30 minutes spectating and reporting went unpunished despite their efforts.

It is extra confusing since as you now confirmed, permanent bans do show on Steam profiles, so one would assume the same sort of ban, except temporary, would show there, too. Just temporarily. But it does not, leading to much unwarranted disenchanment among the playerbase.

Also, not sure if Blakki (and I assume others) can issue EAC bans, but if not, and they are issuing game dev bans, then game dev bans do definitely show on Steam accounts as well (again, assuming they are permanent).

[radiant river]

IDK how it works but I know devs can personally issue game bans

not saying they do it in hunt but it is possible

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[dense sapphire]

Machete was useless but now it's rank 1

I actually run it a bit early prestige and I think it works fine for that

[hot vigil]

Being able to OHK with any tool makes any Melee options useless.

Ofc, but that comes with a free gun attached to it

[vital drum]

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[hot vigil]

Not sure how crazy it would be to change any of the melee tools into non-OHK weapons.

Keep the damage for NPCs ofc.

[fluid locust]

wow conversion pistol has almost as many kills as uppercut

[floral vapor]

I want so badly to like the machete, because machetes are awesome, but it's just not good.

[floral vapor]

He only posted once, he's been spamming #hunt-general mostly

[dense sapphire]

wdym

[dense sapphire]

A melee rush is a genuine threat at close range but you can play around them relatively easily. Besides, having all weapons 1 tap head makes sure that all enemies provide a proper threat if you don't respect them. If you could survive a 1 tap melee you could feel a whole lot safer pushing a building full of riflers and safe is the last thing you should feel in a Hunt engagement.

[fluid locust]

New stats on the main page

Shows kills within last month

It's like the top right. And showed when I opened the game

Showed the top 5 weapons of last month

It was uppercut, Winfield, slate, conversion pistol and Caldwell rival

[dense sapphire]

Conversion is high because it's the best cheap AF pistol

winfield is high because its cheap AF rifle

[floral vapor]

Still trying to figure out what we could do to the machete to make it suck less

Nah, machetes are cool though

yah

Can't have a game with monsters without a machete, it just needs to suck less

Idk maybe give it heavy bleed and OHKs to hunter's head?

It doesn't OHK and that's the main reason people hate it

Also it definitely doesn't apply heavy

[hot vigil]

That would make it an actual downside to have a rifle :b

[dense sapphire]

If you die to a melee rush while you have a shotgun, you got outplayed (or fucked up) and deserve to die.

This is coming from an avid shotgun user

[hot vigil]

I can agree to that. Shotguns does trump melee charge, but this was more to give relevancy back to the melee weapons.

As tools does the job they have.

[dense sapphire]

Melee weapons have a lot bigger problems

Namely…they’re melee weapons

Maybe give them a blanket range increase

Since a couple of them feel like their range is really short (like axe)

So they consistently beat melee tools

[hot vigil]

They could give them a lunge to the heavy swing to close the gap. Tho that would make it worse at taking down bosses.

[crystal plume]

Tool melee shouldn't be able to 1 tap hunters from max health to make dedicated melee weapons more viable

[dense sapphire]

Maybe add a prompt?

[dense sapphire]

Again, melee weapons have way too many problems for that to fix them

That’s the biggest issue

Melee weapons are more or less “bad” but I think that’s ok. You can’t make them not bad while keeping them melee weapons or attaching a speed boost or something and attempting to fix them on other fronts hurts other stuff

Nerfing talons and bayonets back below 1 tap range would make melee weapons more appealing but neither are overpowered and it would only be a marginal benefit

You could nerf melee tools but I’ve brought up the issues with that

Melee weapons will be bad as long as they’re melee weapons

So just let them be bad

They’re still fun

[austere maple]

Well the knife can one hit and kill and its actually better than the machete

[dense sapphire]

So who cares if it’s not meta

A melee range buff and or a lunge (maybe with a slowdown afterwards so you can use it for map traversal) would be nice improvements and don’t hurt anything else

[austere maple]

Machete doesn't have a position right know knives are better and Saber is better so it leaves them nowhere, maybe a nerf on tool melee will give a stand to the Machete

[floral vapor]

Maybe machete could take up 2 tool slots instead of a weapon slot?

I find that I often have a spare tool slot that I just toss something onto, so I could see that being a legitimate fix

[dense sapphire]

I never have a spare tool slot

[floral vapor]

I mean neither do I but that's because if I see an empty slot I'll just toss something on

[dense sapphire]

tool slots are far too valuable to waste one

Unless you’re running a super cheap build

[floral vapor]

Eh

If the machete were just slightly better I could give up a tool slot for it

[dense sapphire]

On super budget builds, maybe

But otherwise nah

[floral vapor]

You realize you're not the only person who plays Hunt right

[dense sapphire]

Wait

What?

[austere maple]

Yeah but if it was better Saber wouldn't have reason to exist

[dense sapphire]

I’m not?

[floral vapor]

Saber still better for AI

And longer reach

[dense sapphire]

If machete could 1 tap body it’d still be worse than saber

simply because of reach

[floral vapor]

Aye

[austere maple]

What?for ai they already do the same job the only difference is on pvp

[dense sapphire]

I approach suggestions/discussions mostly from my POV

[floral vapor]

Nah, different amount of hits for the bigger enemies

[austere maple]

I am not sure about that

[dense sapphire]

Though, imo, you should be using every tool slot. There’s far too many good ones to not fill em up. Same with consumables.

[austere maple]

Maybe you are right I am not sure

[floral vapor]

That's kind of the problem, people don't use the machete or saber enough

[dense sapphire]

Is that a problem though

[floral vapor]

The saber less so, I see it fairly often

Can't tell you the last time I've found a machete on someone's person, though.

[dense sapphire]

Are melee weapons being “bad” actually a problem

[austere maple]

Well if a have a Machete it's because I am doing free hunter with meds no other reason to have machete

[floral vapor]

They're nnot, though. Being able to carry something with "infinite ammo" and one tap potential isn't a bad deal.

It's just that they're outclassed

they're still very lethal

[floral vapor]

Or quickplay

[dense sapphire]

Why I put the “”

I’ll run machete occasionally early prestige with a winni C

[floral vapor]

The machete for all intents and purposes isn't awful. It's just not worth trading a real weapon for.

[dense sapphire]

And for people who don’t like hand crossbow, that’s a possible alternative

[floral vapor]

If the machete did more damage to AI and ran as a 2-slot tool, I would honestly probably run it just to dunk on armored

It's faster than the knife is at killing armored, but then there's the heavy knife which is almost identical to the machete in every way but reach

Machete's just in this weird place where it needs something but figuring out what that something is isn't an easy task

[dense sapphire]

Why not just run throwing axe?

Does the same job better and quietly, has an assload more utility, and only costs 1 tool slot

Also functions as a better machete

Imma be honest, I don’t think you can do anything for the machete other than make it a 1 tap. Every potential niche it could be buffed into has already been filled. Might as well make it the budget early prestige saber and leave it alone.

[floral vapor]

The issue with the throwing axes is they eat half your stamina

There's definitely reason to have something with better handling

[dense sapphire]

You can still tired swing ohko grunts

And even without stamina you can still throw

[floral vapor]

You can but sometimes they take two

[dense sapphire]

Not if you hit chest

[floral vapor]

When you're tired swing your viewmodel shakes around, it's not impossible by any stretch of the word to hit arms

Not to mention that it takes a long time

Machete definitely could fill that role

I don't think just "leaving it as an early prestige saber" is a satisfying resolution. The romero, for example, despite being the first shotgun you get access to, is arguably one of the best

[dense sapphire]

Ok, so machete is slightly better in that regard. But throwing axe can be thrown for an ohko, deal with AI, kill armored quietly, swung infinitely to kill grunts, deals more damage, can deal notable damage to bosses

[floral vapor]

The weapon shouldn't become irrelevant just because you get it early

[dense sapphire]

Throwing axe has such a stupid amount of utility that the marginal benefit a machete would give does not make it a comparable alternative

[floral vapor]

Maybe not, but it'd be a step in the right direction.

[dense sapphire]

And the issue with the machete is not that it’s a early unlock, it’s that there is literally no niche it can be buffed into that hasn’t already been filled

[floral vapor]

By that logic we shouldn't even have the knife and heavy knife

[dense sapphire]

Let it be thrown? Throwing axe

Let it one shot chest? Saber

Make it a tool? Throwing axe

[floral vapor]

Right but the saber has significantly higher range, you can still differentiate the two.

[dense sapphire]

Yes but by niche I mean the saber is a 1 slot 1 shot body melee

[floral vapor]

Again, by that logic we shouldn't even have dusters, knife, heavy knife, or knuckle knife

Or the throwing knives either

[dense sapphire]

I actually replace my melee with throwing axe sometimes for that very reason

Because throwing axe just actually does that much

[floral vapor]

Most people do, but that doesn't mean the other melees are useless or don't have a reason to exist

[dense sapphire]

The other melee tools do have a reason to exist tho

Except heavy knife

It really doesn’t and hasn’t for a long, long time

[floral vapor]

The stamina loss of the throwing axes is a valid enough reason to bring something with better handling, especially solo. Yes you can continuously slow-swing to victory, but if you've got to deal with more than say, 4 enemies, or 2 large enemies at once, it becomes an issue. Yes you can throw it, but then you have to deal with aiming properly, including aimpunch.

[dense sapphire]

Yes

Which is why I do often bring it with dusters

[floral vapor]

Exactly, so who's to say the machete couldn't fill a similar role?

[dense sapphire]

Because it’s basically a slightly better heavy knife

[floral vapor]

It needs a buff, leaving it in its current state is not a satisfactory resolution.

Not necessarily a buff, just a change

[dense sapphire]

And throwing axe completely overshadows heavy knife

[floral vapor]

Depends on the loadout. If you're bringing cross/hand cross then no

No reason to bring the throwing axes, at that point they're worse than your crossbow and worse than a regular melee

There are uses for the different melees, you're just overlooking them.

[dense sapphire]

Just go with dusters

Also, double crossbow is not a good example for a loadout

[floral vapor]

Knives work better on armored, and blunt can be filled by your bash.

[floral vapor]

I didn't say double crossbow.

[dense sapphire]

Wools

Woops

[floral vapor]

EITHER crossbow

And trust me, people run crossbows a LOT

[dense sapphire]

Knuckle knife

Gives you bash and stab

You know what

[floral vapor]

The knuckle knife is honestly my least favorite addition for that reason, it's a marginally worse duster and afaik almost identical to the regular knife

[dense sapphire]

In that specific circumstance

You could make an argument for machete

But as a 2 slot it’d be horrible

[floral vapor]

My point being, you're overlooking the use cases where a sharp melee is important

[dense sapphire]

Because your giving up an extra tool slot for a slight improvement over knuckle knife

[floral vapor]

I do agree to an extent, finding something for the machete is going to be a challenge, but I've been thinking about it for the last couple of days.

Been at the back of my mind

[dense sapphire]

If it was made a one slot tool, heavy knife would just not need to exist and it already doesn’t

[floral vapor]

I suppose saber could, and maybe should be bumped up to a two slot

It's already just kind of better than the axe for anything that's not a boss

I was genuinely kind of surprised to learn that the saber isn't a two slot on its own

[dense sapphire]

I’ve considered it for over a year my dude

Thousands of people have considered for a long time

[floral vapor]

Never hurts to have a fresh pair of eyes.

[dense sapphire]

Fair enough

[dense sapphire]

Wait, you want to nerf saber?

[floral vapor]

Maybe.

I'm thinking on it.

[dense sapphire]

Bruh

[floral vapor]

The axe is already a 2 slot, and people run it. The saber is better against people, but worse against AI than the axe.

[dense sapphire]

Nerf a melee weapon, the worst weapons in the game, to bring up another melee weapon which would just be worse

[floral vapor]

Worst is relative, honestly

They're more consistent than shotguns that's for sure

They have a place.

[dense sapphire]

Melee weapons more or less rely on your opponent being bad

[floral vapor]

No, not really.

[dense sapphire]

Shotguns are just better

[floral vapor]

Shotguns can be inconsistent, though.

Sometimes it's nice to have peace of mind that your shot will kill

[dense sapphire]

Sometimes, but you can also use them at 10m

While a saber is -2m

You can also literally run away from melee weapons

Very easily

[floral vapor]

True, but you'll have to turn eventually

If you don't like melee, maybe you're not the best guy to be talking about melee balance?

[dense sapphire]

By which point you have a teammate shoot them or they’ve run out of stamina

[floral vapor]

Just a thought

Melee balance is definitely relative to other melees, though.

[dense sapphire]

That’s a crappy argument and it doesn’t even work because I love melee

[floral vapor]

Ah, alright

[dense sapphire]

I axe people at 5-6 stars

[floral vapor]

Just going to go "bad argument"

Have a good night.

[dense sapphire]

Just because I’m not a fan of something does not make my opinion invalid

[wispy folio]

I once again propose the trait solution.

Just like the trait Assailant improves the Throwing Axe and the Throwing Knives

There could be a trait (Called Tools of the Trade for example) that would cost
2-3 points and would allow us to take the Machete and the Axe into the tool slots. Axe would take 2 slots.

What's the downside of this? Neither the Axe not the Machete are OP weapons and it would require a player to either luck on the trait or buy it in the next match. This would make the Axe and the Machete have a utility they will never have as weapons and we could finally use their skins.
And as a bonus Crytek wouldn't have to rebalance anything, since technically they are still weapons.
I am open to hearing arguments against this.

[dense sapphire]

Axe is a good enough melee that taking two tool slots for it might be a worthwhile trade. Machete still has the problem of its unique advantages being overshadowed by the throwing axe.

However, for some reason, I’m resistant to putting the axe in a tool slot. Can’t say why as it’s just a feeling but I don’t have a hard reason to say no.

There is a question as to if that would be difficult or even impossible to code. How would you code in a trait that lets you equip melees weapons? I don’t know

@wispy folio those are my thoughts atm

[floral vapor]

@blissful glen Devs have expressly said they do not want to remove early-game extracts.

[wispy folio]

Well the Choke bomb has switched places from the consumables slot to the tool slot so I doubt it's an insurmountable task

[dense sapphire]

The issue is them being equippable in both

And how does the trait enable that

[little carbon]

But you don't fix a problem by creating a new problem. Sabre currently is barely viable, nerfing it makes Machete similar to it, but then you just have two unviable melees. You can't balance a weapon category in a vacuum, you have to consider other weapons.

Generally it's also unnecessary to buff the Machete pvp wise, we already have a pvp melee, there is no reason for an unnecessary variant. Rather buffing it to be some kind of PvE/untility weapon would be a better solution

[wispy folio]

Simple if you have the trait, the Axe and the Machete appear when you click on the tools slots. You can still equip them in the normal slots if you want to be an Uber memer with 3 combat axes 😋

[dense sapphire]

It sounds simple, and it might be, but it might be harder than it sounds to code

I don’t know enough to say either way, just thought I’d mention it

[wispy folio]

I doubt it but I think it would be a worthy effort.

[vague patio]

@blissful glen people killing the boss and not banishing is a problem?

[floral vapor]

@clever prawn Hey uh... that werewolf is already a legendary hunter

Hate to burst your bubble

Also, not sure if werewolves fit into the sculptor's modus operandi ya dig?

[clever prawn]

i know but its just for purposes of showing that werewolfs fit the lore

[floral vapor]

I'm sure they do, not sure if they fit the sculptor's lore, though

[clever prawn]

why wouldnt it?

obviously adding more similar bosses to what we have now will not satisfy because thats too easy and boring

so why not something that brings some more life to the fears of hunters, having to face monstrous supernatural hunters

i mean there are no hunter-grunts

nothing like that

having a boss that fights agressively etc like a hutner would be epic

[floral vapor]

Bruh what

[tribal wyvern]

Hes not a werewolf tho afaik. Just wears wolf skins & shit.

Like his family.

[floral vapor]

The guy witht the wolf skull and glowing eyes with no human face underneath?

[tribal wyvern]

Lonely Howl, im pretty sure he has a face under

[floral vapor]

Are we thinking of the same hunter?

pretty sure that gun description comes from the same DLC

[tribal wyvern]

Just got into a game. But the mosin? Not sure.

lemme check the dlc

[floral vapor]

I'm doing some fuckery to get my game to work properly again so I can't look at it myself

[normal horizon]

rougarou was in a weapon bundle

no hunter there

[tribal wyvern]

Ye, it's not part of his stuff

[floral vapor]

Never seen him up that close

[normal horizon]

this is the only wolf mask hunter, lonely howl and he is just a person

[tribal wyvern]

As i thought then, ty Nixatek for the picture.

[floral vapor]

Alright, I guess it's back on the menu @clever prawn

That is a pretty sick skin though

Although, that sniff anim

Only thing that keeps me from using it

Was always under the impression that he didn't have a human mug underneath, but I guess it's not as easy to tell unless you're really looking

[tribal wyvern]

Think ur anime hates clouds ur vision.
Hardly anime to wear the skin of your prey.

[floral vapor]

1: That's my 20/80 with glasses vision

2: What?

[tribal wyvern]

what do you mean "what" ?
You've made a script to autoblock anime users.
And you're not using a legendary hunter with a wolfskin cuz to you it resembles anime.
Which i don't see how.

[floral vapor]

When... did I at any point

Even MENTION anime

Regarding lonely howl

[tribal wyvern]

here or what is "anim"

[floral vapor]

ANIMATION

Jesus fucking christ

[tribal wyvern]

Then type the whole word?

[floral vapor]

Nah get bent mate

[tribal wyvern]

Lol

Relax dude

You make up your own shortwords, then get pissed if someone doesn't understand it

[floral vapor]

Nice b8 m8 r8 8/8

[tribal wyvern]

Ah, im talking to a 10 year old.
Should have figured, have a good day.
Not going down this route.

[vague patio]

the script was about anime and furry pfp, so...

[clever prawn]

Lmao

Someone's cranky @tribal wyvern

[floral vapor]

We weren't even talking about that, y'all just see it fit to bring it up to try and start an argument

[clever prawn]

Its fit to attack people over a different topic because they are bored yknow that right 😂😂😂

[floral vapor]

Man when I run the game in 1920x1080p everything just feels sluggish, FPS is still at 60

idk what the deal is

[vague patio]

my point was, if youd take the argument of the script then it makes more sense to use the part that was left out

[floral vapor]

Maybe it;'s misreporting the FPS but my available memory is more than double what I'm using at any given time

[vague patio]

lonely howl is the closest thing to a furry we have rn

for the rest, idc

[tribal wyvern]

Thats not what it was.

You may conjure up whatever you want to make yourself feel better.

[little carbon]

Anim is actually not a made up shortword, it's widely used in development

Still no one has to attack anyone over a misunderstanding

[pure quest]

what are you doing, playing games without understanding basic development shortwords? dont you know you need to be at least a homebrew dev before you can play and comment on games?

[little carbon]

There is no reason for them to know the shortword, i just wanted to correct the sentence for anyone reading the conversation.

[tribal wyvern]

Im sorry 😦 . I've sold my pc & moved into a cave, i can't be seen in society with such poor technical knowledge.

[pure quest]

and you should, shame on you! you no-know!

h00th00t

't was a fun read at least, posh beard seems like a fun person

[pure quest]

@quasi halo I like your derringer suggestion, but dislike the other part. I'd suggest making to seperate suggestions posts when you ahve several ideas. Now i've downvoted it even though i like a part 😄

[quasi halo]

No issue, it is what it is. Everyone is allowed to express their opinion openly

[pure quest]

Well, if you seperate them one part might get lots of thumbs up and have a bigger chance of being implemented

your call though 😉

[quasi halo]

Didn't plan to have them separate, as they are part of the subject at hand, tools.

[pure quest]

but they're effectively very different suggestions

[quasi halo]

I believe Machete becoming two slots combined tool weapon rather than a main hand weapon would give it much more needed attraction, then what it is already. Saber is sort of a strong pick, but that could be debatable. I still see both weapons becoming part as being big tool weapons than anything

[pure quest]

Too similar in that case to the heavy knife

who would run machete with heavy knife still in there, if machete will just block you from bringing traps/chokes

while both being just short of a OHK, one is just slightly longer range.

[dense sapphire]

Or you could just bring throwing axe and dusters and be way more versatile and stronger in their respective roles.

[pure quest]

It already is close to heavy knife as it is, but now i can bring machete instead of a melee tool and bring even more traps.

[quasi halo]

My suggestion is clear enough. Sacrifice two tool slots to have a more viable melee weapon which is neglected and overseen either way. Whether you decided to be versatile with different combinations, that is your own personal choice. But like my suggestion says. It's a possible suggestion to make those weapons more viable. Whether they remain as main weapon slots, or they are changed to tools. With the scenario where they become tools, you actually have more versatility and choice. Maybe I ain't feeling like having two separate melee tools but just one ?

If we come off with excuses on how we can replace them with already existing tools. Might as well completely neglect them out of existence and expect them deleted as well, right ?

[pure quest]

eh its my preferred melee weapon so i'm not having any issues whatsoever with what you're describing.
Why would you bring 2 melee tools though? Bring a machete and you no longer need one in your tool belt. Making it a tool does nothing for the viability. You already one-shot with the regular knife or heavy knife often enough, if anything, your suggestion will make it even more worthless because it'll take up 2 slots instead of just one, for a similar effect

[quasi halo]

And taking up a main weapon slot makes any more viable, or what ?

Again, it's a suggestion to make the weapons more viable and more attractive for purchase.

[tribal wyvern]

Don't know if it is, but they could make so Decoy supply also affected Derringer.

[pure quest]

Yes, taking it as a main weapon, as it is, makes it more viable. So imo, your suggestion does nothing for making it more viable or attractive, quite the opposite

[quasi halo]

Bro.

I'll tell you like this.

[tribal wyvern]

Issue with Machete is, as weapon its outclassed by saber & as tool its outclassed by all tools.

Can we just keep it as it is, a meme weapon.

That had its glorydays

[quasi halo]

How can you compare main slot weapons with tools first of all ? Second of all. You cannot compare the reach of these weapons with the current melee tools available right now. Third of all, you at LEAST have a chance to consider them as tools apart from playing them as meme weapons.

[pure quest]

Changing it into a bigger heavy knife while being practically the same as the heavy knife, but taking up 2 slots rather than one, means it'll just go down in viability. That's all there is to it. I'm all for making it worth bring it as I love the machete atm and i bring it quite often.

Range being the only upside to it, the actual range benefit doesnt get used a lot in practice (partially by the visuals indicating a shorter range then melee weapons actually have imo)

I have considered as the machete as a tool, but imo, it doesnt make sense with the current heavy knife. That will have to take a change than as well, else there's still 0 reason to use a machete

[rigid basalt]

@floral vapor i guesd u mean reworkibg Underdog Bonus as there is already an underdog bonus in the game

[floral vapor]

Not on hunter kills

It only applies to bounty

[rigid basalt]

i guess u are right we need some sort of reward i thinl this would also encourage bushwookies who snipe one player and leave so idk what to think about it this way

[queen jungle]

And that's very likely intended, PvP kills only gives a little XP reward since people are supposed to go for the bounty (which is the objective of Hunt).

While PvP is fun, it is not the objective.

[floral vapor]

I agree, but if I stave off a group of 3 as a solo while collecting said bounty, I feel like not getting any extra for that work is kind of unfair

[queen jungle]

You get a feeling of pride and accomplishment

[floral vapor]

Okay EA, let's not

[queen jungle]

Couldn't resist

[warm zephyr]

@floral vapor regarding the underdog bonus, it might encourage k/d farmers to do their thing more

[floral vapor]

K/D farming as a solo?

[rigid basalt]

my idea is yes do it but only apply it if involved in banishing or killing the boss or leaving with a bounty as a base requirement to get a bonus for underdog kills maby also apply it if you solo kill a trio while you team is downed

[floral vapor]

I mean good luck with that fam

[pure quest]

arent all KD farmers solos?

snipe and extract

poor teammates if you have someone doing that in your team 😄

[warm zephyr]

yeah

[floral vapor]

I'm going to edit it a bit to try and make it encourage objective play more

I have some ideas

[queen jungle]

The same applies to other PvP rewards: the reason you only get money by looting hunters if everything else is filled up is to avoid making PvP too profitable and keep players playing the objective.

[pure quest]

that doesnt really work though

[warm zephyr]

it’s just a slight possibility. solo kd farmers would still do what they do

[pure quest]

getting money is easy enough, not prestiging whatsover and you have more money than you can likely spend

[floral vapor]

Yeah I mean you're farming K/D for the K/D not the XP

[warm zephyr]

it’s another incentive

[pure quest]

if you want it not to also be profitible, currently meaningless anyway. I'd like a monthly hunt dollar wipe, regardless off prestige/rank. just set everybody to 4k at the first monday of the month 😄

[queen jungle]

I agree and have advocated for fewer rewards or more money sinks for a long time.

[floral vapor]

I was thinking around 10% because that only amounts to 20 extra XP on a trio kill, (60 if you kill all 3), and 5% against duos, so 20 more XP total

[floral vapor]

We could have had a decent money sink in weapon cleaning and trait removal, but the devs got greedy and put it behind premium currency

[warm zephyr]

yeah seems ok and fair

[floral vapor]

The weapon cleaning I don't mind

But the fucking trait removal being tied to BBs is ridiculous

[pure quest]

trait removal cost changed into 10% of total current hunt dollars? nice

i'd upvote that 😄

[floral vapor]

10% is way too heavy, but yeah if you paid a fee depending on the cost of the trait that'd be great

[pure quest]

too heavy? cost goes down as you are moor poor, so you can always do it, no matter how poor you are

[floral vapor]

We need more shit to spend hunt dollars on in general, but I suspect if we get a hunter customization system they'd make it all BBs anyways

[pure quest]

most likely

anything cosmetic in any game nowadays = premium

[floral vapor]

I don't really trust crytek to handle monetization well in any scenario

[warm zephyr]

maybe like make a custom hunter with bb, but subsequent recruits cost hunt dollars

[floral vapor]

Love the game, it's great, but the FOMO shit is straight predatory

And the trait removal

[floral vapor]

I'd pay BB to unlock the option if everything else cost hunt dollars after

[pure quest]

trait removal idc that much even, at least, it used to be fine sicne it was quite easy to make BB

[floral vapor]

Yeah but they've slashed earnings

[pure quest]

the fomo stuff.. ehh well thats a personal problem you suffer from, or dont 😄

[floral vapor]

Also, the fact that you even can pay real money for trait removal (BBs) is the problem

[warm zephyr]

fomo bad imo

makes you force yourself to grind

[floral vapor]

Nah, the fact that they capitalized on it is predatory even if it's something you personally aren't effected by

And have done it several times, mind you

They're trying to milk their playerbase

[rigid basalt]

i say 10hunt dollars per perkpoint as cost for removal of a perk would be fine

[pure quest]

nothing new there, welcome to companies and people who read the book "how to use the mind of the weak for your personal gains", as used by blizzard, EA, any F2P etc etc, mobile games

[floral vapor]

10 is honestly too low

[floral vapor]

"Weak"?

Bruh

[pure quest]

yes

[floral vapor]

Nah that's a fucked worldview

Straight up

[pure quest]

ok sure, i put it a bit blunt, but you know what i mean

[floral vapor]

Nah man

That isn't cool

[pure quest]

idc if my wording is cool or not🤷‍♂️

[floral vapor]

Yeah that's kinda the problem, you don't care

Stuff like that's what allows the gaming industry to hit the state it's in

[pure quest]

about my specific wording? no I dont

[floral vapor]

Nah, in general

Making excuses for the predatory marketing/monetization

[pure quest]

i'm not makign an excuse for it?

and now you know what i care about?

[floral vapor]

Yeah, you have expressed that you don't care, even if you didn't say it directly

[pure quest]

I dont care, not about skins, true, nor my wording. I do care about this shit of gaming industry being filled to the brim with microtransactions

not sure what you're thinking

[pure quest]

Not caring and never buying shit, allow micro/premium stuff to be in? explain that to me.

Making excuses for the predatory marketing/monetization
Where have I done this? By saying companies will try to make money any way they can? 🤔

[queen hinge]

I really want that pickaxe melee that was suggested in the game. That just sounds fun to use. I've always wanted a 3 slot melee that wasn't the bomb lance

[normal igloo]

@tight monolith tbh, I'm pretty sure it is exactly designed like that for people like you, who play a few games only. It is made so you're strong-armed into buying the dlc/legendary that is in the last quest. Which is why I've been continuously complaining about it.

[tight monolith]

Idk... You dont need the dlc to get enough stars per week. Just enough playtime. Because the DLC quest requires some skill also. Which you acquire by playtime

[normal igloo]

Yes ofc, but what if you don't have that playtime? And that playtime is quite a bit, especially if you're not at the top end of the skill range

[karmic ivy]

"strong-armed" odd word to choose for something optional.

[tight monolith]

If I dont have the playtime DLC quest doesnt help either

[native lodge]

yeah you don't need the dlc's at all to complete the summons

[karmic ivy]

If you don't have the time its no big loss.

Enjoy the rest of the game.

[tight monolith]

true, game is fun without quests. Just feel left out by devs in that case

[karmic ivy]

I see, but I think you are still in control of this. its you who chooses what you want. not them.

so don't "make yourself" feel left out, find a way to not care. It really works. Just some random internet advice.

[normal igloo]

Ah yes, it's you who choses if you have enough time after work or if you want to spend money.

[normal igloo]

That works for some people, not for others

[karmic ivy]

no its you who chooses what you want

[karmic ivy]

sure, everyone is diff. it seems. It works for me, (attemtped lol) mastery of ones desires is worth learning, that is all I will say about it. Its not for everyone.

[frosty garnet]

@torpid galleon, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
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[tight monolith]

I dont go with you in that direction. There is totally no need to spent money. I dont see the connection you have there

[karmic ivy]

See he wants it all

fast

free

and good

[normal igloo]

You're assuming a bit much there, I personally have no issues completing those quests but I'm not the average player

[karmic ivy]

He cannot find himself happy with just free and good

And since he can't get what he wants, it is a disappointing experience.

[normal igloo]

And I'm just trying to prevent this game to go full mobile monetisation

[karmic ivy]

This is a very normal human problem to have

[karmic ivy]

my apologies, let me rephrase that to....
He wants it all for others,

fast
free
and good
If I have it all wrong, it would not surprise me. as I said, there is a ton of variety in people. with that said though, this does look like a familiar thing.

[normal igloo]

Idk why you're trying to make this a personal thing now

[tight monolith]

Because one could suggest you want to see only the downside.

[pure quest]

Awwww.... too late 😄

[normal igloo]

The only upside is more money for crytek, it does nothing for the consumer. Though from what it seems they are trying to find more variety in quests and just couldn't think of more so far so maybe it will eventually get better

[normal igloo]

Yes... in parts it is too late. I've legitimately thought if the gal they hired for monetisation is from gamigo

[pure quest]

quests will never be fun unless they introduce npcs and turn it into little events

[normal igloo]

I think quests can be fun

[pure quest]

just: "go kill 10 of x" or "collect 5 of y" just isnt fun, we've done that for the last 20 years in pretty much any game

[normal igloo]

They just need more variety, and I believe they can achieve that with time

[pure quest]

turn it into an actual mini event, with proper rewards, and people might play it

[normal igloo]

Instead of asking for legendaries to make money, why aren't they asking me to play with a specter, or with a nagant precision etc, to spice things up.

[pure quest]

the group im playing with, none of us gives a rats ass about these summons and feel the game is better off without it

its just diluting the core gameplay

[normal igloo]

Same, but mostly because the reward is meaningless and the quests autocomplete

[pure quest]

yeah its quite the same as the daily/weekly, just more at the same time

[normal igloo]

Imagine if they made a monthly one that we complete as a group and the reward is better UX

Like legendaries becoming skins you apply instead of 1000 uppercuts in a long list you can only see 5 at a time of

[pure quest]

And I don't think they'll back down on the monetization part. They've heard the feedback for a loong time now, if not about this game, than about pretty much any other game that does this stuff and the 'backlash' that follows. Despite the backlash, it's apparently worth doing it.
My guess is because the majority of people who want this game, already bought it, so the only way to make money now is making some skins/premium currency etc.
I wouldnt be surprised if this goes F2P soon

but as always: hey, if you dont want to spend money, just dont?

which is fine, except for the few die-hard hunt fans/fomo people who feel they need to buy it all (and then complain about it anyway) 😄 which is where this whole money-making model comes from anyway, the whales I think is the new term? (new for me anyway)

[normal igloo]

Whales is a very old term from the dev side

[prime ibex]

@torpid galleon Just no.

[little carbon]

While adding in a bunch of new ways to make BB's. And honestly they didn't lower the income by a lot. You still make enough to Respec regularly.

Generally their monetization is not really predatory at all. You never buy direct advantages. It's s lot if cosmetics and some quality of life. And that's pretty ok to gate behind a premium currency that actually can be gathered in relevant quantities

[floral vapor]

@latent bobcat I've thought about it as well, though it might favor shotguns a bit too heavily

Reminds me of like Op Locker from Battlefield 4, shotgun hell

[latent bobcat]

It’s like a mine
So sight lines would be more medium range

[unborn smelt]

Tbh - i'd love underground areas

But a whole map might be pushing it a bit

[odd oasis]

Underground mines pve survival

[floral vapor]

Imagine clearing a mine as a group of 4 as a PvE event

That would be pretty cool

[hot vigil]

That game exist, it is called GTFO and that weren't really that exciting :b

[floral vapor]

GTFO is absolutely nothing like Hunt

[hot vigil]

I know, Hunt is actually fun to play

[vital drum]

GTFO is great 👀

[floral vapor]

I don’t mind GTFO. It’s aight.

[hot vigil]

Eh, didn't really evolve enough, what you did in rundown 1, you do in the newest rundown.

And personally don't think the Rundown concept works in practice.

[floral vapor]

Hunt’s gameplay could lend really well to co op mission structure, but the AI would need some tuning.

[hot vigil]

I used to think that too, but honestly, the AI is serving their purpose of being hindrances and sound alarms to drawing in players to PvP.

[floral vapor]

Hunt was originally going to be a co op game and while it’s sad that we never got that, it’s great that we didn’t have to deal with 3rd person

3rd person shooters suck

[odd oasis]

Hunt was just going to be like remnant from the ahses

[hot vigil]

Funny enough, I just got a good 40 hours in Sniper Elite 5, had a blast invading people in that game.

Especially with what I've learned from Hunt.

[floral vapor]

I never cared for sniper elite

Though it’s somewhat of a hybrid

[hot vigil]

Me neither, but is on gamepass, played the co-op mission with a friend. And bullied people who invaded us.

Again, a recommend if you don't really have any game you feel like playing atm.

[floral vapor]

I don’t use gamepass but thanks for the recommend

If Hunt got a co op sequel I would pay a ridiculous amount for it

[pure quest]

Just played my first 20 minutes of elite sniper 5. Got invaded. Dude just sprinted around a corner and machine gunned me dead 😁

[pure quest]

But you earn lives/attempts by doing daily quests, or by buying them with blood bonds

[hot vigil]

I could have been that dude, but that only when I invade the first mission, bc people tends to die before I can get to them. So for that map I bum rush them.
But good teams can counter a smg rushing invader.

[dim heron]

While it's not exactly the same, Remnant from the ashes is a very close version of it

[floral vapor]

Played it. Thought it was just ok

[pure quest]

Was a fun soulslike game

[dim heron]

The dlc was challenging, mostly what I enjoyed

[pure quest]

Better than most other soulslikes

[floral vapor]

Third person shooters just don’t do it for me

[hot vigil]

Didn't like Remnant too much. Just felt very boring in between the bosses.

Hellpoint tho, that is a gem that most people overlook.

a janky

low budget

gem

but a gem none the less!

[floral vapor]

Oh it’s the hello neighbor publisher. I’ll pass

[hot vigil]

Tinybuild have published some good games tho?

Like Hellpoint :b

[pure quest]

Looks boring to me

[floral vapor]

It’s just a shit company

Won’t support em

[hot vigil]

Welcome to video game industry

[hot vigil]

It is a lovecraftian dark souls sci fi

quite cool

[pure quest]

I've seen a trailer/review

Just looks a bit bland

Like, I dunno, unfinished world/designwise or something

[hot vigil]

It have some of that good budget limitations, but the world and level design did have some cool things going on.

[pure quest]

I'll give it a try at some point once its 70% off or something

I have better hopes for Steel Rising though, of were talking of (euro)jank soulslikes😁

[digital nacelle]

@latent bobcat I worry a fully underground map would be too weighed towards shotgun play

[pure quest]

Underground doesnt have to mean only small corridors though, but maybe some 50/50 underground map. Does sound cool. Like having 3 compounds in the middle area being basically 1 big mine and cavern, the rest just outside or something. Sound will be terrible though 😅

[queen jungle]

Love the day/night cycle idea.

We could even sync it to real life

[vital drum]

Wish I could sync well with the real life day/night cycle

[fossil frost]

Synced to real life means most people will always ay the same time of day. With work I would never see the morning setting of hunt as much as I enjoy night time it would be to much to play it all the time

[steady prism]

agreed it sounds great

and it wouldnt even be that hard to code

[warm zephyr]

@torpid galleon just pretend that any of your hunters is trans and they're hiding it as your head canon. No politics and it's historically accurate

[steady prism]

@queen hinge you do realise that most of weapons kill in 2 hitts up close... so removing shotguns ability to kill in one hit is going to render them absolutely useless

since..
you cant headshot with shotguns unlike any other weapon in game
they have effective range of up to 10m and then they drop severely... on 20m they need several rounds to kill a target
they take 3-2 slots so they make you very vulnerable in mid-long range fighting
most of them are quite slow, so you mostly die to standart weapon if you fail tto kill your target in one hit
etc.

thats just a few points i put together in few seconds... and theres plenty more... like severe loudness

shotguns are basically the worst weapons currently ingame and their ONLY redeeming factor is that they are the best possible weapons for fighting at less than 10 meters

[warm zephyr]

agreed. that feedback sounds unreasonable. if you push a shotgun within their one shot range, it’s really on you

[steady prism]

now... i would agree with you if you suggested a rework... something like

dramatically decrease shotguns damage dropoff so they are capable to cause damage up to 30 meters and decrease their OHK distance to minimum

or something like that... thats still very bad but still better solution

[queen hinge]

I didn't say to remove the one shot capability completely. If that were the case, yes shotguns would be useless. What I am saying is that, shotguns should one shot less reliably. There is good reason everyone runs them and they should still fit the mold they were meant to fit. But when most things two shot, one shots should be more earned.

[native lodge]

shotguns don't need a nerf

[steady prism]

i dunno about you but i find them extremely unreliable as of lately

in fact so unreliable that i rarely see shotgun without slugs in it

[warm zephyr]

i think you need to play more

[steady prism]

now i agree that shotguns with slugs are a bit strong in the current meta... especially rival+slugs

[warm zephyr]

you can use long in any range but shotguns can only work in close range

[steady prism]

but standart shotguns are currently a bit underwhelming

[queen hinge]

I WOULD agree with this. But one of my biggest issues is that slugs are stupid good. Slugs just... I don't think they should one shot. I dont. I just REALLY don't like the fact that one of the strongest damage wise long ammo rifles cant one shot, but a shotgun can. Slugs basically turn shotguns into cheaper nitro express rifles.

[steady prism]

i agree with that... but that is not the issue with shotguns... thats because slugs slap rn

[warm zephyr]

slugs need rework. but leave shotguns as a whole alone

[steady prism]

this

[native lodge]

Nitro express and long ammo are still stronger than slugs

easily

slugs are good though

[warm zephyr]

it’s like crytek nerfing the slate when it’s the slugs that isn’t balanced

[steady prism]

they are... i dont really have the beef with slugs being so strong... i am pissed that slugs are just straight upgrade to standard buckshot

[warm zephyr]

let me just ask this, do you @queen hinge play shotguns?

[queen hinge]

I guess this is true. But it still doesn't account for the fact anytime I got MMR 5 and up, nearly everyone is running shotguns.

[native lodge]

I mean I got 5 mmr + and thats not true at all

[queen hinge]

Me? Personally? I only run the romero rarely. But my friend runs shotguns a lot. And he near always wipes servers when he does, its disgusting to watch

[steady prism]

i mean... you play on Xbox obviously... so i have no idea how the game looks like for you... but on PC shotguns are quite rare

[native lodge]

long ammo dominates high elo

nitro shredder, and slugs do show up

[warm zephyr]

you should have some personal experience before suggesting something so controversial buddy.

[queen hinge]

My xbox role is old. I need to get rid of that. Nowadays I do play on PC

[native lodge]

but long ammo is king

[steady prism]

then im sorry... but PC games are almost virtually shotgun-free

only shotguns that are being played are slugs and me running around with levering-terminus with dragonbreath 😄

[queen hinge]

A lot of what I said, is actually stuff my friend who runs shotguns a lot agrees with.

[warm zephyr]

i see. then he should be the one discussing it not you

[native lodge]

then your friend is wrong too

[warm zephyr]

hearsay bud

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-court-objection-hearsay-gif-25461916

[queen hinge]

I wish that were the case for me. But it really hasn't been. I've run into plenty of teams using nothing but specter/slate with uppercut.

[warm zephyr]

fight them down range

[steady prism]

🤔

[warm zephyr]

you choose to fight within effective range of shotguns and die… idk what to say bud

[queen hinge]

I don't die to them as often as I did once. But it still doesn't make up for the fact that shotguns just aren't fun to fight, buckshot or slugs. Cause slugs just turn them into a stronger sparks with less range. A buckshot just doesn't take much skill at all.

If I were to start running shotguns now, my opinion would remain the same. They aren't very skillful in their current ways. At the very least, not being able to push compounds just cause I haven't heard their main weapon is super boring. If the less damage stuff is too much, then I do think and will forever think shotguns require a large increase in price in their current state.

[warm zephyr]

-closing distance and making enemies play at your range takes skill
-your opinion as a person that rarely plays shotguns, against us, people that run shotguns, a fair bit
-you have frags and wall bangs.

[steady prism]

you see thats the issue that most people that dont run shotguns fail to understand...

you say its not skillful to play them... i severely disagree

you need some skill (or luck... lets be straight) to get into the correct position

and you need good nerves and situational awareness to ambush your target up close when he is alone to execute him without any issues

[warm zephyr]

simply said, your argument/feedback is built upon hearsay and guesswork. therefore it isn’t credible.

[karmic ivy]

@loud nebula I think random noises like you describe is the most interesting solution I have heard yet.

[steady prism]

then inevitable thing wwill happen when you fail to OHK and you need to swiftly retreat and relocate so you can try your next attack

[untold prism]

What's he suppose to do? Get a peer-reviewed article and scientific research paper? Everything here is heresay/guesswork.

I mean video, sure, but his opinion isn't invalided.

[warm zephyr]

many is is less hearsay and less guesswork.

i didn’t his opinion is invalid

[steady prism]

if you discharge too early = you are dead
if your target is not alone = you are dead
if you panick and miss the target = you are dead
if you dont know the map or fail to check your surroundings = you are dead

[untold prism]

Alright, provide an example of what would be appropriate 'evidence' in whatever form you think is best.

What needs to be had as proof?

[steady prism]

i actually find using long ammo much simpler bcs u just need to hit your target... and since you always deal at least 100 dmg, you dont even have to aim that well

[warm zephyr]

bruh

[steady prism]

yes it sounds perfect

would fit tthe theme nicely and would make wonders

[untold prism]

Let me guess, if I don't already know, I shouldn't be asking or something? Just state what you would find acceptable. This place is just for people to bitch anyways.

[warm zephyr]

literally told him to play shotguns more

[untold prism]

Sounds like anecdotal evidence that he's already been providing.

[loud nebula]

I'm sure we could work hunter PTSD into the lore to support the idea easily lol

[ripe basalt]

While being rude and condescending

So I ask chat to keep it respectful. 🙂

[warm zephyr]

am I being rude?

[warm zephyr]

.

[queen hinge]

-Closing distance and flanking, yes I agree. However, most people I find are a little too easy to do that and often are the people who wait around being sneaky at boss compound cause there is literally no avoiding that.
-As someone who plays against shotguns almost all the time, my opinion will still matter and isn't and should not be discredited just because I personally don't run them
-I rarely bring frags, nor should I be forced to bring any. Wall bangs is quite difficult in general, even with long ammo. But I rarely ever use long ammo. In fact, if I am running an actual weapon, it's normally compact or sometimes medium.

[steady prism]

ah... so basically problem is that you often meet bounty campers with shotguns

ye wwell i admit tthats like 80% of people who run shotguns

but then again... Hunt offers something that other similar games dont...

they give you the option to choose your fights

[nocturne torrent]

flanking is like something actually skillfull and it requires u to know what your doing, sitting on a bounty for 30 minutes isent though

[steady prism]

so if you dont want to contest people camping inside witth shotguns you are free to extract and try another round

[nocturne torrent]

that's just not fun though, for any party

[steady prism]

yes it definitely isnt...

[warm zephyr]

if they were there first, they have advantage!
that is, we didn’t say your opinions dont matter! just that the thing you’re suggesting isn’t fair to shotgun players.
you have consumable slots and you don’t bring stuff in that’s you forfeiting your advantage!

[steady prism]

but you have 2 options... try to fight them when they have an advantage or leave and try to pick a different fight

[nocturne torrent]

if your gonna be throwing nades, gonna be honest, you are within shotgun range

atleast with slugs but im pretty sure most peps can agree those are just dumb rn

[steady prism]

i agree... but you have to take into consideration that most people play to win

[warm zephyr]

fair, i do let my teammates know to help cover though

[steady prism]

and camping inside with shotguns is a viable strategy

which is not viable because shotguns are busted... but because there is not much to do to counter this

[nocturne torrent]

oh its a viable strat, but i don't really think that stuff becoming so popular is healthy rn, i've had to resort to running shotguns a bunch rn just so i can contest those bounties when pushing

[unborn smelt]

Not necessarily

[nocturne torrent]

there is the perk i believe which helps?

[unborn smelt]

20m is far outside shotgun range in hunt

And thats baseling frag range

[nocturne torrent]

theeen they hit u with a slate slug

[steady prism]

considering you have something to throw ofc...

[warm zephyr]

slugs need rework. already settled the argument for the most part

[unborn smelt]

Which wont ohk at 20m still only 15 iirc

[steady prism]

well... TLDR this whole conversation...

[nocturne torrent]

idunno the exact range tbh but been using slate with slugs all day today, felt bad about it, but iguess one way to nerf shotguns would be doing smth bout uppercut

so they dont have the close range and long range without smth like quartermaster

[steady prism]

Crytek needs to rework Slugs and add a new mechanic/tool/weapon that will be viable against shotguns camping bounty in compound

[unborn smelt]

Slugs feel a bit overtuned - sure

[untold prism]

The flashbangs were the shotgun camping counter

[steady prism]

id honestly like them as a non-OHK ammo wwith much longer reach and decent pen

[untold prism]

Instant white screen for 10 seconds regardless of orientation.

[steady prism]

for weapons like romero or rival

[nocturne torrent]

so like a mini sparks but with more shots?

with less range ofc

[steady prism]

and maybe auto-5... rest would be without slugs

[steady prism]

yes

bcs romero could switch boolets

[nocturne torrent]

honestly i wouldent mind that

[steady prism]

so you could make romero a viable one shot for everything

and rival would be basically two tap rifle

[nocturne torrent]

dragonbreath romero, oh god the memories

[unborn smelt]

But in general for bounty hunt, shotguns are kind of weak.

All objectives in Cqc are avoidable, and shotguns suck the moment you went down once (because then long becomes slugs on roids against you)

[untold prism]

Nerfing slugs would be appropriate, putting it within damage range of Sparks at close. Its already random enough knowing if you have to face buck, fletchetts, or slugs.

[steady prism]

auto 5 would be a bit bad self loading rifle

[nocturne torrent]

i'd be happy if slugs 1 shot within like "short" range lets say 10m, but beyond that they would need to headshot

not a fan how shotguns ignore the entire headshot thing considering how accurcy is such an integral part to hunt

[loud nebula]

The beauty of it is how realistic it is. Any hunter or veteran will tell you the longer you sit the more your brain and sounds play tricks on you

[warm zephyr]

I suggested a flechette rework that makes it replace slugs on problematic shotguns before

[unborn smelt]

I mean balance wise its actually fine

[steady prism]

nah id say.. OHK up to 5m... 5-15m 149 dmg... 15-30m 110 DMG.... 40-50m 80 DMG and finally hard drop after 50m

[unborn smelt]

Because they trade the range part

[warm zephyr]

basically there’s a projectile in flechette that rewards headshots

[untold prism]

They already do if enough flechette's hit the head

Within 8 meters, I think

[steady prism]

oh yes and ofc headshot range up to 50

and medium ammo penetration at least

[unborn smelt]

Tbh - sounds way to weak

[steady prism]

not really... its still a shotgun

or you think better headshot range?

[unborn smelt]

Imo better HS and pen

[steady prism]

or maybe... split Slugs into 2 rounds

one round would be standart slug with good penetration OHK up to 5m... then decent damage up to like 40m

[unborn smelt]

Because range is basically winnie and HS range abysmal at only 50

[warm zephyr]

Title: What if...
You can replace the slugs on problematic shotguns with flechette?

Make flechette benefit from aiming by:

1. having a projectile in the centre of the flechette that always lands at the spot of your ads, that does a sizeable amount of damage.

2. within close range, landing a headshot with flechette almost guarantees a kill because the centre projectile does enough damage for the rest of the flechette to kill

[untold prism]

If you compare slugs range to compact range, it should be longer. Lower overall damage, but extended headshot range would be nice. Reward those accurate shots.

[steady prism]

and second round a "Dart" with no OHK but much better velocity and HS range

gonna just yeet APFSDS penetrator up someones face

[untold prism]

Then again, we have the gameplay logic that the FMJ rounds are heavier because they have steel in them, as opposed to lead. And they're slower, which reduced overall pen IRL, but that's off topic.

[nocturne torrent]

thats pain inducing to learn

[warm zephyr]

i think fmj is the way it is because they don’t want to ruin the ammo tiers

[untold prism]

LOL. Hunt.

[steady prism]

i wouldnt mind decent overall damage... but severely reduce the OHK distance

[nocturne torrent]

honestly im still suprised uppercut has been left alone for this long

[unborn smelt]

Imo slugs could do with massively reduced or no ohk -
Similar to compact range sounds good.
But make em pen very well up close

[untold prism]

I'm with you there. At least with buckshot, poor aim is punished if more shot misses at appropriate ranges.

[unborn smelt]

Talking fmj or even spitzer level pen

[nocturne torrent]

i think slugs should OHK on headshots at longer ranges

[steady prism]

uppercut is not the issue... its the lack of alternative

[nocturne torrent]

but not thorax

[fair veldt]

whats the maximum range for slug headshots ohk?

[steady prism]

yeees

[untold prism]

25 meters

[unborn smelt]

Specifically being able to pen entities like spitzer as a gimmick

[steady prism]

thats just 👌

[untold prism]

For three slot guns. Not two slots, which are 15

[nocturne torrent]

well true i suppose, but i find the idea of a rifle in a 1 slot to be fairly insane? and i kinda wanna say its also the reason shotguns are so popular rn

u can just grab a shotgun, then a long ammo in the 1 slot to make up for the lack of range on your primary

[warm zephyr]

by (my layperson) logic, fmj should’ve been less mv but better pen; and hv better range overall . but they didn’t want to make you use med hv to replace long ammo so…

[untold prism]

But compact caldwell with FMJ outclasses the uppercut in everything except velocity.

[steady prism]

i suggested once to remake sprngfeld compact to be one slot

which could easily work

but community apparently doesnt wantt to buff it

[nocturne torrent]

now hold up

[warm zephyr]

i thought of this the other day too

[nocturne torrent]

1 shot at what range?

[steady prism]

one slot

like

[nocturne torrent]

oh one slot sorry im tired rn

[steady prism]

ye is fine

[nocturne torrent]

had a mild panic for a second there

[steady prism]

honestly its short enough to be a one slot

[warm zephyr]

compact spring field a pirate gun tbh

[steady prism]

i also wanted to suggest basic romero handcannon (not the hatchet version) to be 1-slot as well

but since there was a huge dislike storm on sprngfeld i didnt even bother

[warm zephyr]

most 2 slots now are just 1+ tbh

[nocturne torrent]

honestly i can't really comment much on 2 slot weapons

as i dont enjoy using any of them

except the hunting bow

[steady prism]

ye they are a bit crap

[warm zephyr]

vetterli is like a 2.5 slot

[nocturne torrent]

vetterli i love using though medium ammo in general is one of my favourites rn

[steady prism]

seriously the could easily expand it from 3 slots to 5

[warm zephyr]

me too. just med pen and dropoff too steep

[steady prism]

with ofc proportionally expanding some weapons

[warm zephyr]

hear hear!

[steady prism]

so instead of 4 slots basic hunter would have 6...

most of current 3 slots would be 5 slot

and then youd have some room to play around

[warm zephyr]

that’s for hunt 2

too much change

[steady prism]

not really

but its not something devs would want atm

im tired as well.. forming that sentence took me like 30 seconds

[warm zephyr]

same, was quite tired when i was waiting for pyro to say their arguments

[steady prism]

this is what i do at 23:09... 40 hours till my bachelors exams 😦

[nocturne torrent]

i've been tired for hours at this point playing slate slugs for 5h broke down my mental capcity to

[warm zephyr]

ahh…

[nocturne torrent]

point at bad guy

[warm zephyr]

i’m a law student myself

third year bachelor of laws

[steady prism]

im studyin software engineering....

[warm zephyr]

2 papers done

[nocturne torrent]

meanwhile im just working at the state archive rn

[warm zephyr]

there’s a saying in chinese that… basically means everyone is important regardless of their jobs

[steady prism]

tru

[nocturne torrent]

yems, without my stuff state ran company's would pmuch crash

economy wise

[warm zephyr]

but i digress, my country doesn’t really need lawyers

because they don’t follow laws anyway

they just make up laws to help the privileged

[nocturne torrent]

oof

[warm zephyr]

sigh

[steady prism]

sounds fun

for some ppl 😄

[warm zephyr]

you can read it up, malaysia’s corruption and politics

quite an interesting read imo

of how once a blooming nation got to where it is now

also look up singapore in relation to malysia

[steady prism]

we got russia and ukraine just over horizon...

talk about corruption and politics

[warm zephyr]

not like that

[steady prism]

21st century...

golden age of humanity

[warm zephyr]

it’s just… there’s a reason why racism is frowned upon

and secularism is… quite a threat to some people

[steady prism]

tho we will be perceived as a threat soon if dont stop talking in this channel about non-feedback-suggestions

[warm zephyr]

fair.

[steady prism]

so id just go back to studyin 😦

[warm zephyr]

all the best bud

[steady prism]

u2

[warm zephyr]

uhh guys… i think it’s called left peek advantage

[untold prism]

Try remembering that when you type out a pissed comment after getting shot from left side pecker advantage.

[warm zephyr]

I agree that it isn't fair. But peek and peak means different things

[untold prism]

I know. I'm just fuckin with you.

[warm zephyr]

Also from personal experience, typing out pissed comments don't really work

Whoosh

[flint dove]

Tomahawk 50 meters blind headshot:
https://clips.twitch.tv/ThankfulAntsyHedgehogAMPTropPunch-3D0kBcXG95q-sZdA

[torpid galleon]

cant believe so many transphobes

[hot vigil]

what?

[torpid galleon]

#game-ideas message

[hot vigil]

Okay buddy

[torpid galleon]

wdym

[hot vigil]

Think is more that your suggestion doesn't come across as serious more than anything.

[frosty garnet]

@torpid galleon, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

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[dusty otter]

I have yet to land a hitmarker today on 4 different games. Are there literally ANY us people still playing on US East?

point blank romero this last game, no hit marker, die to melee from 5-6m away??

What is this? Ping: showdown?

[frosty garnet]

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