feedback-discussion

[keen bolt]

I'd love to see Hollow Point ammo in hunt tbh

[sick anvil]

Hollow point is evolution of Dum dum

Dum Dum is the city hollow points were invented in .

[keen bolt]

What about Soft point taking that role

As per era

[sick anvil]

That is the irony .
Originally Dum Dum were jacketed soft points

but hunt devs obviously took inspiration from Lehigh defenses bullet porfolio for dum dum

[keen bolt]

Yeahhhh

[sick anvil]

original DUM Dum from the era

lead projectile with a driller cavity

later jacketed soft points

then jacketed hollow points

That copper thing in the picture above , that is circa 2010-2016

[keen bolt]

Tbh I want the JSP in hunt but like

This looks cool af

[sick anvil]

Well in the first place .
FMJ bullets should actually have copper jacket and not be hard cast lead bullets

to start with DUM DUM should be lead with a cavity

And shotgun shells should not have projectile sticking out of the paper case

[keen bolt]

This one bugs me

...a LOT

[sick anvil]

Welcome to the club

[keen bolt]

Tbh it triggered me since CCP

An abomination of 3-4 guns

[sick anvil]

one of the conversion pistol legendary skins has a broken off ejector attached with a wire of angle

so the gun can not eject bullets

the from light the shadow

[rigid basalt]

the dum dum we have in the game are actually somewhat modern copper-hollowpoints

[sick anvil]

The dum dum in game was patented in 2013

[keen bolt]

Yes that's what I thought ...when I heard it's FMJ and I didn't see copper coat I'm like 'what?'

[keen bolt]

Lehigh Defense

I'm not even from Gun culture country and I knew that much

[sick anvil]

Extreme expansion bullet patented in 2013 is a lead free full copper bullet

[keen bolt]

Let's not start how they don't even use the damn thing in the first place

[sick anvil]

And casino uppercut the chips/dice are held up by a string that is literally in the gap

probably some enchanted sting from bone dady making it fire proof

but even wire would erode from the powder

[keen bolt]

Tbh Blackpowder cloud

Literally being black doesn't sit well with me

[sick anvil]

that one i can look past because having a indoors gun fight and within the first 4 shots have the room filled with nasty white smoke would be kind of ridiculous

but i get the point

[keen bolt]

That's what I wanna see 🤣

[sick anvil]

but then cain could literally win any fight even with a unga bunga club

just sneak in and club every one over the head

and then unga bunga away

[keen bolt]

I swear ...

Poison ammo shouldn't be a thing

Or atleast doesn't look like that

[sick anvil]

the only way i see poison ammo work is lead soft bullet with a cavity filled with poision and have a cap of seal wax

[keen bolt]

That

Or basically Full metal jacket

Filled with some poison

But then it's still weird

[sick anvil]

FMJ would not release the poison

[keen bolt]

Soft point excuse me xd

[sick anvil]

it has to be a soft projectile that deforms on inpact

pretty much the original dum dum just caped off with wax

and the cavity filled with green goo

[keen bolt]

Also how did Crytek fk up conversion that bad

[unborn smelt]

How do you mean they fucked up the conversion ?

[keen bolt]

This is the 1872 Open top

Notice the sight on the Barrel

And Round barrel

[unborn smelt]

Well the conversion isnt an 1872 then...

[keen bolt]

Well then

[unborn smelt]

Not all guns of hunt becessarily have fitting irl counterparts

[keen bolt]

Here's a Colt Navy

[sick anvil]

looks to me like the 51

[keen bolt]

Yes ...fixing it after its already broken

[normal horizon]

I mean it would have to be broken to be fixed

[keen bolt]

Yup not an insult to the art team or anything but this makes me laugh everytime I think about it being a 'Frankenstien of guns'

[sick anvil]

51 navy cartridge conversion

[keen bolt]

Yup that's beautiful

Most conversion has a sight on the Hammer if I recall

(aka the original configuration)

Also Fluted cylinder which doesn't come in style till Pax

[sick anvil]

cutting a dove tail in the barrel to put the sight in there is not that uncommon

Also can not blame nixa , he was not around when conversion pistol was designed for hunt

better put he was not yet employed by Crytek at that time

[wind stream]

Nixa also only makes amazing videos

I chose to blame you shain, you should have let them now before they even had the idea of hunt

[sick anvil]

I should have also told them to buy R740s instead of R730s at the time

Fair

But if i am to blame gimme a wanted poster

[vague patio]

can i get a wanted poster?

[sick anvil]

love it

[vague patio]

beautiful

[sick anvil]

that made my monday

[half stag]

good job on them fixing it to be a proper 72, too bad its a dlc but it is what it is

[keen bolt]

Yeah

Now that's a proper 72

wouldn't be a conversion cause it's cartridge gun from the factory - but eh still a beauty

[half stag]

prob would be more work coding it in as a brand new gun and conversion fits well enough so they probably just slapped the 72 on as a skin for it

[sick anvil]

more or less putting that one in as separate gun would not do anything cuz its pretty much the same

just visually fixed version of what the original was supposed to be

[keen bolt]

Happy they fixed it

Not so happy it's Dlc

But well

It's cool so there's that

[floral vapor]

God damn ANOTHER DLC

More DLCs than updates

Can't wait to see what gamebreaking issues it adds

[normal horizon]

what

do you mean Bridgewaters Honor? cause that was already out last week 😄

[plush ledge]

Wait I was supposed to get a new bug with hat dlc? Nixa where is my new bug?!

[little carbon]

It's not like the DLC's add in bugs. And of course DLC's will happen more often then Bugfix updates. Creating a dlc is a pretty straightforward task, whereas bugfixing with a project that size is living hell. Especially when taking into account that new bugs are just inevitable with updates. It's simply impossible to prevent that.
And it has been said a thousand times, the bugfixing team is not the same as the dlc people, different skillets.
And if you look at recent updates there are always a good amount of Bugfixes in there

[jovial flint]

You’re still free for a wanted poster?

[wind stream]

sorry, the wanted poster office is closed atm

you can get an appointment, the earliest available date is 05/30/2028

[floral vapor]

Can't wait for the "reworked" monetization system where they make it impossible to earn BBs through gameplay and make health chunks cost BBs instead of upgrade points

I jest but it wouldn't shock me at this point, perks already cost a premium currency as it is.

Doubled prices, slashed earnings.

[rigid basalt]

u already earn bb for banishing bosses killing players and some other stuff when playing

[plush ledge]

Which traits did you buy for bb?

[rigid basalt]

also through quests

[rigid basalt]

he is talking about removing perks

[floral vapor]

Down 70% from previous. They've been massively cutting the amount of BBs you can earn through gameplay and I see no signs of stopping.

[plush ledge]

I mean he's right that they reduced the bb you get from tutorials fromm 700 to 300? And put out a news that you can earn bb after reducing it

But I make still my 400+ bb per week playing the game

[floral vapor]

If you're earning that much you're playing way, way more than the majority of the playerbase. You'd be the exception not the rule.

[plush ledge]

True I'm not the guy who plays like 3h a week

[floral vapor]

It's not just the reduced earnings that make it an issue, they're making BB traps for new players in the form of cleaning weapons and putting gameplay features behind them like removing traits from a hunter when we already don't have enough to spend regular currency on.

(Hunt dollars)

It's just a combination of factors and it's getting frustrating

[normal horizon]

but cleaning weapons and removing traits were bloodbonds from the start

[floral vapor]

They were, they shouldn't be

[normal horizon]

You just worded it as if they got made that way after the bloodbonds changes

[floral vapor]

I did not

[plush ledge]

Hey I like the clean weapons feature I've nothing else left to spend my bb on

[floral vapor]

That's another issue, they've got the pay-only DLCs and then a shortage of things to actually spend BB on for veteran players

it just feels MESSY

[normal horizon]

there have been a few bloodbond hunters added recently aswell

Hail mary and the wolves

[floral vapor]

Nixatek I don't blame you by any sense of the word, you're just one guy on the dev team

Hope it doesn't seem like that

Just a combination of factors that have been getting on my nerves

[little carbon]

Cleaning weapons is purely cosmetic though, so that definitely belongs into bloodbond territory.

@floral vapor you do get an underdog Bonus already (+250) for going solo against duos. It increases to (+500) for solo vs trio

[floral vapor]

I have never gotten it before, does it not trigger if the majority of teams are solo?

Are you sure it exists?

[rigid basalt]

if u go solo vs trios i am sure solo vs duos not 100% sure

[floral vapor]

I haven't ever gotten a bonus tarot at the mission summary for it going into duos, and it doesn't mention an underdog bonus in the menu for solo vs duo, only vs trio

It's entirely possible I just missed it but it doesn't seem to be very obvious

[wind stream]

there is an underdog bonus for solo vs duos

[floral vapor]

Wiki doesn't mention underdog bonus at all

[floral vapor]

Perhaps it should be better communicated on the menu then, I feel.

[wind stream]

perhaps

[quick kettle]

You can see the bonus in the lobby

[floral vapor]

Looked back at some footage, there's no notification of a bonus on extract with bounty on duos as far as I can tell, but I don't have footage of extract from trios to compare it to

[quick kettle]

I think it's added straight into the rewards when applied, not an additional amount on top

[floral vapor]

Possibly

[little carbon]

There might be no notification, i don't know about that, but you definitely get the extra bounty

[rigid basalt]

yup its down in the right corner i think in the match endscreen where u see how much money and xp u earned if i am not mistaken

[floral vapor]

I'll try to successfully extract from trios to see if it shows up there but 5-6 star sweat trios as a solo player isn't exactly a fun time in my experience

[floral vapor]

There's a total summary but it doesn't show underdog

Just how much bloodline xp, hunter xp, hunt dolans, and BBs you earned in total

Again, I'll get a trios extract and see if it's different. If it is I'll mention it in suggestions if not then I'll probably just ask for more clarification in the checkbox tooltip as it only insinuated solos and duos get the bonus in trios mode.

That's such a small thing I can't imagine it having any adverse bugs or dev time to deal with

[rigid basalt]

then idk

[floral vapor]

Idk I could have sworn I saw an underdog bonus notification in my early attempts at playing trios

[tender oasis]

Curious question, whos idea was it to add a skin thats literally a zombie, and can we fire them?

[floral vapor]

That's not very constructive of you young man

Do you mean the Revanent?

[tender oasis]

yea, just mega did me in at the start of the game, had literally killed 2 zombies

and the third shot em in the head lol

[floral vapor]

I don't believe he's a zombie and doesn't really look like one either

The bowler hat and pale white skin makes it obvious enough for me

Better luck next time I guess

[tender oasis]

thats fair, just impaired my judgement from the start, but balancing the kane skin seems futile with a literal zombie skin, youre right though, if i pay enough attention

thanks for listening lol

[wraith pecan]

This game sniper rifle and silenced firearms performance are very sick, sniper rifle 400m outside no drop, no deflection, silenced gun 20m can not hear the sound of gunfire orientation.
Both stronger than the 2022 firearms.

1. Sniper rifles should increase random dispersion when fired from 150m away.
2. silenced gun can not hear the sound at long range, but at close range should be able to easily hear the location of the shot.

[little carbon]

I am pretty sure you can hear silenced guns further than 20m, might have been 60 or 30, don't remember exactly.

And it would defeat the point of a sniper if it weren't accurate

[quick kettle]

According to this site, you can still hear them at 50m: https://hunt.kamille.ovh/#Home

[rigid basalt]

@raven crag it happens in tarkov cod and r6s too

[keen bolt]

Aka

Most game that's projectile based

Was Cod a projectile based tho?

[raven crag]

It happens every game there?

[keen bolt]

Legit I'm not mad about trading ...till the trade window got really large

Like dude fall down half way

And got me with a nitro

[rigid basalt]

tarkov very comon like 1 of 10 deaths

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[unborn smelt]

@raven crag trading will always naturally occur in a projectile based game as opposed to hitscan, unless you purposefully invalidate shots that should have been valid

As far as trading in Hunt goes it does feel a bit off at times, but that may very well be due to the slow speeds of projectiles

[rigid basalt]

warthunder has it very comonly too

[sick anvil]

Trading in hunt feels off because of the time paradox

[rigid basalt]

its nothing rare and its better then not getting the kill at all and why would a bullet disapear mid-air or an axe stop mid swing

[unborn smelt]

As for when Hunt used to have less trades - back then people complained about shots being wrongfully invalidated at the time of death which is just theother side of the coin that is trades like now

[rigid basalt]

if u get hit irl u might even be able to get of one or to shots befor u are dead just keep that in mind

[hybrid saffron]

Why does Hunt not have a replay option like you have in CS GO, where you can download a played match, Overwatch is doing this too? Is this sort of thing planned? Also i suppose we are not getting any new maps anytime soon if ever again? 😦

[raven crag]

Why this happens after second(s) when opponent dead?

[vale cedar]

yeah

tradings dumb

[rigid basalt]

u have to take in coutn about 25ms till a player is dead from the deadly hit + any pingdelay

[raven crag]

-Maybe do smth about servers? -naaah it’s fine, here’s fresh dlc!

[rigid basalt]

yup thats how it works

[hidden vapor]

do you even know how it works ? if its projectile, it happens in every game

[raven crag]

There was no trades before 1.3.3 patch

[hidden vapor]

didnt they changed mechanics of projectiles ? in that patch ?

[wind stream]

they changed that projectiles got deleted mid air when the one that fired it died

which is great, since that old system made no sense

and led to a lot of deleted shots that would have hit and resulted in a trade

[hidden vapor]

for me trades feel natural since projectile is mid air

[wind stream]

same

[hidden vapor]

like imagine in real world when someone shoots at you but dies and the bullet just falls down before oyur face or dissapear

[sick anvil]

Magics

[hidden vapor]

if you want hit scan and almost 0% chance to trade play rainbow

[rigid basalt]

even r6s is not save #granadesandgadgets

[hidden vapor]

thats why I said almost 🙂

[rigid basalt]

hhahahahahaha

[hidden vapor]

imagine playing kapkan and when you die your traps dissapear

[rigid basalt]

hahahaha that would be atl+f4 uninstall and never play again no matter what operator

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[raven crag]

It’s ok, but somebody shoots at you after death, not before)

[hidden vapor]

mostly its before death its just the ping

[raven crag]

It means that you and your opponent play different games, because you try to flex, hide, jump etc, but on your opponent screen you stand still.

[native lodge]

you dying after they do is latency

low latency means more often than not both would drop one the spot, but sometimes there is serious delay for one reason or another

[hidden vapor]

well, its curse of online gaming, what do you expect. Happens in every game and always will until servers and pcs will use atomic clock (which I dunno if will happen)

[raven crag]

There is no such bs in cs go, pubg etc

[native lodge]

hit scan weapons

[hidden vapor]

CSGO is hitscan, pubg almost too

and in csgo it sometimes happens mostly on 64tick

in hunt it happens because here are projectiles

[raven crag]

As I see everyone likes to be killed by corpse, as you defend that shit

[hidden vapor]

so its bigger chance that you and your oponnet will kill each other at the same time

it happenned to me in 40 hours only twice

and never after he died so probably you have high ping

[native lodge]

the increase of trading happened after the hit reg patch, bullets were being deleted mid air. now they aren't that lead to increase in trades

I should add, these bullets were being invalidated mid air, even if they were fired before the player died

so although not ideal, I will take trades over having my bullets disappear

[hidden vapor]

exactly

[raven crag]

40 hours, say no more please

[hidden vapor]

well from what you sound like its happening to you every 2 games

[raven crag]

I’m glad that you don’t die to boss)

[hidden vapor]

maybe because when I shoot I am moving

[raven crag]

I’m said about this

[native lodge]

you telling him he can't have an opinion because he has 40 hours?

[hidden vapor]

i have 80

[native lodge]

how many hours do you need to be valid?

[native lodge]

MB

[hidden vapor]

but I play only on weekends mostly

doesnt matter, since 40 hours is a lot to be just killed twice by trade

[native lodge]

also this assertion isn't true either

[hidden vapor]

even if I had 300 hours I wouldnt cry about trade since projectiles works like that

for real, in CSGO I died to tried in 1k hours like for hundred times and thats mostly hitscan, its just ping

there you can be mad, not in hunt

[raven crag]

He moving you know

[native lodge]

I am just curious how many hours he thinks you need to have before you can have an opinion and how many hours does he have

[hidden vapor]

your average ping ?

[hidden vapor]

it doesnt matter, its just measuring PP

[native lodge]

oh I know it doesn't matter

[hidden vapor]

I bet there is someone with 20 hours in game and will be better than most of 100+ hours

[native lodge]

someone with 20 hours that read the dev posts about how the systems work will know more than someone with 200 that didn't read them

[raven crag]

Smth about 1000+ why?

[hidden vapor]

exactly, plus aim and movement from other FPS games if he plays mostly FPS

[raven crag]

Because if you play 40 hours it’s like 2-3 weeks - only last patch, you don’t know how they broke the game every time they try to “fix” it

[latent bobcat]

Whatcha talkin bout?

[native lodge]

not even talking about skills either, just basic stuff like, why does the trading occur, I meet players way better than me that still don't get it

[hidden vapor]

i have the game for 2 years

[raven crag]

And play only 80 hours?

[native lodge]

I have 900

[raven crag]

I see you really enjoy it

[hidden vapor]

i have other games to play and have problem to stick with one game for long .. mostly play for one month then drop for 2-4 weeks, i nworse for half year

[native lodge]

does it make a difference how many hours you play when we aren't even talking strats, but the actual way the game functions?

[hidden vapor]

i see you have lot of time 🙂

[raven crag]

I have library with 400+ games)

It doesn’t matter at all

[hidden vapor]

and ?

[hidden vapor]

i think he doesnt want to accept the mechanics, and just want it to be his way. Because, mechanics changes for one specific player

[raven crag]

Interesting why you drop game every time, you didn’t like it?)

[hidden vapor]

no just get easily bored

[native lodge]

Imma be honest, I haven't entirely figured out what hes trying to say. I get that he doesn't like trades

[hidden vapor]

I dont like playing one game

[raven crag]

Ahhh, it’s too hard bring me dual conversions, fanning, livening etc

[hidden vapor]

and mostly play with friends, so if they want to play F1 or Rainbow, i go for fun with them

[raven crag]

Better go the way that casuals asks for

[hidden vapor]

I cant say I fully understand him. Most people told him here its part of the game, because of projectiles and that it sometimes occur after death

[raven crag]

But they will not spend more time & money, btw

[hidden vapor]

you are sounding like casual since you are mad over trade which can happen in projectile game. In your words it sounds like you want to have that bullet deleted in mid air when enemy dies

[raven crag]

Gl hf man

The more you play the more problems you’ll see

[hidden vapor]

I would like to hear what you suggest

yea I see problem, in Hives not working, grunts running trough me when I start running with knife too

thats a problem

[raven crag]

Maybe new servers, that will not give more then second delay for trades?)

[hidden vapor]

which region you are ?

[native lodge]

new servers would be nice tbh

[raven crag]

+++

[native lodge]

but its no small task

and it costs a fair bit of time and money to do

[hidden vapor]

i would like to have new servers, but because of stability

i have 20 ping constantly on EU

[raven crag]

Just move in to the Germany, don’t blame anyone, I see

[hidden vapor]

deppends if they rent it or own it

[raven crag]

If game selling in my region I want to play like any other player

[hidden vapor]

i dont even live in germany 😄

[native lodge]

I think they rent it

[hidden vapor]

probably, most of them do

[native lodge]

I also don't live in germany

[hidden vapor]

bet its amazon server or something

[native lodge]

Weblease

[raven crag]

Amazon servers

In Europe or Russia regions

[hidden vapor]

for example nvidia geforce has mostly same servers as other games so they have like 0 ping

[raven crag]

Tell me more

[hidden vapor]

where do you think netflixs rents their servers

amazon.de is for most of the countries

for mine too

[native lodge]

Hunts server providers is weblease iirc

[raven crag]

Netflix don’t broke gameplay) it’s bad point bro

[native lodge]

netflix doesn't have gameplay at all

[raven crag]

Rly?)))

[native lodge]

you are talking about the movie/tv streaming service correct?

[hidden vapor]

my point was most of the game developers rent their servers and most of them are same

so maybe in your region servers are bad but there maybe no other options

[raven crag]

It’s good example to compare yeah))

[hidden vapor]

and i still didnt get your ping

if you have more than 80 ms that is bad for a shooter and I can understand your frustration

[raven crag]

I can’t find ping option in console sry)

[hidden vapor]

ah

I thought all the time its pc

[native lodge]

thats horrible comparison. netflix is streaming premade shows and movies, not multiplayer games with 12 people from different parts of the region

[raven crag]

That’s the point

[hidden vapor]

but netflix can run on same servers as other games

but that wasnt my point

[raven crag]

But Apple TV is good

Btw

[hidden vapor]

my point was most of the servers are rent and developers are fighting with owners of the server that their game has unstable connection

but for example netflix can pay more and f*** games then 😄

[raven crag]

But Netflix is good

[hidden vapor]

nah

quality went down

[raven crag]

Don’t play hunt watch Netflix

[native lodge]

ahhh see that clears things up a bit more ty

[hidden vapor]

you pay for 4k and cant set it manually and you have to hope that netflix will give you the 4k

[hidden vapor]

you can blame developer for shitty choosing of provider but cant blame them for shitty servers

[raven crag]

They lose the fight each time, as I see

[hidden vapor]

mostly in the updates days 😄

[raven crag]

They choose it

[hidden vapor]

thats what i am saying, you can blame them for choosing, but you never know in some regions there is nothing better

imagine russian region now

[native lodge]

but yeah even if you changed servers, there is no guarantee the issues still wouldn't happen, and unless you are a company with some serious bank and resources your options are limited

[hidden vapor]

lets face it, hunt has small base of players

[native lodge]

Hunt is a niche game for sure

[hidden vapor]

exactly

[native lodge]

its not the fast paced easy to market, shooter that takes up the front page of twitch daily

so Crytek isn't just going to be able to snap its fingers and boom new better servers

Crytek isn't huge and it isn't tiny

[hidden vapor]

yea, you can hate them for DLCs, but they are kinda cheap and if that is what they are getting most of the money from

[native lodge]

also cosmetics only, no buying the best guns in the game with irl money

[hidden vapor]

exactly

[karmic ivy]

Yep, don't fix whats not broken

[raven crag]

Better don’t broke that works in good way

[karmic ivy]

Why do you think the servers are a problem? They work fine for me. wouldn't it make more sense if it was a packet routing problem?

[raven crag]

“It’s work fine for me” glad for u

[hidden vapor]

servers works for me too but he can be in bad region and I cant blame him for that

but for example ping is stable for me but sometimes I cant play because servers are not working (like after last patch) and like 3 days ago I didnt load into game and it kicked me

couldnt reconnect

[karmic ivy]

true, but if a whole region was having problems there would be hundreds of messages here.

[karmic ivy]

i see, I have had that happen only twice in over a year, that is normal in my opionion.

[hidden vapor]

can be same region but worse experience

[hidden vapor]

yea

[karmic ivy]

That sounds like packet routing problems, not server problems

[hidden vapor]

but we were talking about people killing him in trades when they should be dead

[karmic ivy]

yes I read that, I was just curious WHY you think its the servers

[hidden vapor]

never said, I actually didnt get ping from him since he is on console, so it can be his connection with server

[karmic ivy]

I see

I don't know myself why some players are so dead set against trading kills. It happens when it seems like it should happen. I don't have a problem with it happening too often myself.

[hidden vapor]

me too, but for someone it seems here its frustrating

[karmic ivy]

yes, I suspect network problems cause it, that would explain why some players experience getting killed by a dead (just shot by them) hunter, while most do not. I have not experienced that. But who knows really. its just a guess.

[tight delta]

It is not a server issue. The trading change was introduced during June 2021 hitreg patch. Devs allowed shots that were invalidated before to hit and damage their targets after the patch.

[sick anvil]

Most trades occur in close quarters mostly shotgun ranges
and mostly shotgun and mele trades

[tawny field]

This lines up with my experience in trading

[tight delta]

True. It's because if I have a ping of 40ms, and the opponent has a ping of 400ms, until the data from the server reaches the lagging client telling them that they have died, the server also considers the data coming from the lagger as being accurate.

In essence, they have more time to shoot you. And even though they will die too, they get to take the other player to the grave with them.

It favors players with high pings.

As in if they had a low ping too, their window of action would be miniscule.

[tawny field]

That would explain the second delay on some trades

[tight delta]

Killtrading is extremely unfun mechanic at least in my opinion. Both parties lose, and the other party usually has more room to force a trade due to their latency.

[tawny field]

I wonder if theres a cap to high ping vs low ping interactions on the server side to mitigate this

[native lodge]

that isn't how it works though

[tawny field]

Elaborate then

[native lodge]

if they die before their shot, the server will not validate it

[tight delta]

Nope

[native lodge]

Yes

[tight delta]

If they die on their client before the shot maybe, but not otherwise.

[native lodge]

no

[tawny field]

Where are you both getting your sources

[native lodge]

you can be alive on your client, shoot but the server says no you are dead

[native lodge]

hit reg dev stream

[unborn smelt]

Well no - thats what serverside validation is for

[tight delta]

The serverside validation is extremely tolerant to old data, which is why we get delayed killtrades often.

[native lodge]

trade are absolutely janky with high ping, but them shooting after the server says they are dead is not the reason

[tight delta]

How is it possible for dead players to land shots then?

[native lodge]

they weren't dead on the server when they fired

from their end you are the one who shot after

it does indeed feel like shit

its not fluid, its not as fun

[tight delta]

Isn't the death of a hunter server action? i.e when you see a hunter go legs up, it's because the server has instructed your client the hunter had died?

[native lodge]

that info from you-> to the server -> back to you

his shot is from Him-> to the server -> to you

[unborn smelt]

The system doesnt always work flawless however it also doesnt just do it wrong everytime

[native lodge]

true there are certainly flaws, some things may not be happening as intended 100% off the time

[tight delta]

Unreliable system is still unreliable. But it's not even about that, it's just such an unfun mechanic that doesn't need to exist at close ranges.

[native lodge]

its more fun than having my shots deleted

mid air

[unborn smelt]

It does

Hunt is not hitscan so it needs to exist to be fair

[native lodge]

most games that are not hit scan have trades to a degree

[tight delta]

If you have a system where you never have your shots deleted 'mid-air' at close ranges when players might have a high ping, you are favoring the lagger. At real close distances, weapons might as well be hitscan. 400m/s at, say, 3 meters is extremely fast (bullet is in the air for 7.5 milliseconds). It's extremely unlikely for people to shoot each other within this time window, yet Hunt is the only game I've played in the long time where this occurs regularly.

[native lodge]

its actually not at all unreasonable people would shoot within fractions of a second of each other

[tight delta]

For example, games in Battlefield franchise use projectile based bullets, and you are going to have your shots invalidated if you are playing with a high ping. It's much harder for your client to stay up-to-date when the data doesn't reach the server as fast.

[native lodge]

yes

high ping isn't an advantage

its janky as shit for everyone though

[tight delta]

It isn't, but in Hunt you can force trades with it with ease, lol.

[native lodge]

if you assume it works the way you say it does

yes

but it doesn't work that way

[tight delta]

The devs could just state clearly how it works, so people wouldn't have to guess one way or another.

[native lodge]

wait did you just describe the old issue that hunt had?

[wind stream]

I mean there are plenty of resources on how client side hit reg and server side validation works

a lot of people just chose to ignore it

[tight delta]

Vague, bad resources.

[native lodge]

I mean I understand what a great deal of it

[wind stream]

its just a complicated topic, because players tend to only view it from their side

the moment you look at both players views its a difficult topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXEmbUkDkgo

this explains it well imo

since the percieved issue behind trades and ping abuse are the same

[native lodge]

keeping in mind hunt isn't hitscan

[tight delta]

And Siege works how Hunt used to work - Discard data coming from players who were already dead on the server.

[karmic ivy]

^

[hidden vapor]

this topic is still ongoing ?

@raven crag - look at the video and it will explain you a lot about how it can happen

[wind stream]

always has been

[raven crag]

Is there update about ping limitations is coming?)

[hidden vapor]

explain ping limitations ? like when you have 300 ping you are kicked out ?

[tight delta]

There's no updates on the upcoming region locking / ping limits yet.

[raven crag]

Isn’t you said that more than 80 is unplayable? Why you mention 300 here?

[tight delta]

It was an description on what he thought you meant.

[hidden vapor]

not saying unplayable but its not good

[tight delta]

Getting kicked when you have high ping.

[hidden vapor]

when you are playing FPS games, you are trying to hit highest framerates, lowest input lag and lowest ping

[tight delta]

But that video is bull, at least when it comes to Hunt. In Hunt, both players would have died on the test when one of them had high ping, lol.

[hidden vapor]

because hunt is not hitscan

video explains how pings between players (high vs low) works

[tight delta]

How long do you suppose the bullets stay in air for in distances of few meters?

I already explained it above.

[karmic ivy]

The devs expalined it better.

[tight delta]

Where?

[karmic ivy]

many sources, their website had articles, I recall a talk with a dev on youtube, and a few streams.

[tight delta]

I love how the top comment on the dev insight video is that someone feels it's not working right, lol

[hidden vapor]

elaborate

[keen bolt]

WTF

the ammo is HUGE

[tight delta]

At extreme close ranges where trading occurs often, the bullet airtime is so short that the shots are near instant, and in the case of melee swings, they are hitscan.

[hidden vapor]

before we start discussing melee swing trades, how often does that happen? Serious question

like, look here: Nagant pistol has 330 m/s

in close range its instant

and yes, it may look like hit scan but its not

[tight delta]

Who is claiming they are hitscan?

[hidden vapor]

not you, but I am just explaining

[karmic ivy]

^ an important point

[hidden vapor]

so, lets say its like 0,5 sec

[tight delta]

At 10 meters, 330m/s bullet stays in air for 30ms, or 0.03 seconds.

[hidden vapor]

in 0,5 sec the other guy can shoot too server checks it both shoots out and yes you shot first, but he made it to.. server sends data both of you recieve it, you recieve it faster so you see he is dead but after milisec you are dead too

i didnt want to calculate it precisely but yes, you are right

tell me what is 30ms

nothing, you cant even break so fast in car 😄

[karmic ivy]

I don't think in game math works like that
this is code, not physics
Just a detail, but a meter in game isn't a real meter.

[hidden vapor]

well it would if we had 0,0000000 ping

but we dont

average is like 30 ? so 30ms + 30 ms is 60 ms and thats only the path between one player and server

[tight delta]

Yeah. I find it unlikely that most trades could be explained by all the other people just happening to be just as fast shots as you, especially given that trading seem to require that one of you sport a high ping.

[hidden vapor]

since its player 1 - server - player 2 and not player 1 - player 2 it adds

[hidden vapor]

yea, like. You are not wrong. As I said, if you would play on 0 ping you would win, but we are not

[hidden vapor]

well, how many times in life you said something at same time as other person, or did the same thing at the same time

chance is high

[hot vigil]

I only play Hunt: Showdown LAN edition 😤😤

[hidden vapor]

lucky man, can I join ?are there drinks free? or hookah ?

[hot vigil]

All the drinks you can eat and also no stutter! Game runs 144fps on any system.

[karmic ivy]

This is your problem in my opinion. You can't believe the truth, you are blocking yourself from learning.

not all, but most are explained that way

[tight delta]

If you can point me to a source where it is explained how the server determines if the bullet was fired WHEN the player was alive, then please.

No-one has brought any links or sources here.

[hidden vapor]

and why we should ?

you dont believe it

just google it

[tight delta]

I'm trying, can't find info.

Not in the original 2021 June hitreg article, nor the 6/8/2021 Hit-Reg dev insight.

[hidden vapor]

but you are looking only at hunt right ?

this is general "problem"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2CU0HKpYTU

[tight delta]

Killtrading on this scale, and on short ranges is a Hunt issue.

[hidden vapor]

i dont think so

but because most of the games are hitscan

[latent bobcat]

I have an idea!
To fix trading

[hidden vapor]

i play lot of arma, squad and hell let loose also and it happens there

[latent bobcat]

I think I love you

I play those too

[tight delta]

I play a lot of HLL, and it def is not an issue there. I don't remember trading often at close ranges.

[latent bobcat]

Arma 3 (shitty laptop)
Arma reforger (Xbox)
Hell let loose (Xbox)
Project reality (old squad, shitty laptop)

[tight delta]

Killtrading isn't an issue there.

[hidden vapor]

It happens There too, but maybe i am not seeing that because i dont have so many trades in hunt neithef

[latent bobcat]

Eh it is sometimes
You just don’t notice it because it’s not that bad to trade

Unlike in hunt

In hunt it is a rather large issue

[latent bobcat]

I think I have an idea to fix trading

[hidden vapor]

It May happen more because There are less CQC in other games

[tight delta]

Remove trades altogether at really close ranges

[latent bobcat]

You guys know insurgency sandstorm?
It has the answer

[hidden vapor]

Isnt that hitscan?

[tight delta]

Played it even, not as much as the prior.

[hidden vapor]

I have solution too

Just go melee

[latent bobcat]

It’s both
It’s hitscan until you hit a certain range (depending on muzzle velocity) after that range the bullets are projectiles

[tight delta]

That would work, so it's off the table 😂

[latent bobcat]

Lmao

But it’s a good idea no?

[tight delta]

Sure

One would have been to just revert the hitreg change, but having weapons be hitscan on ranges where they would just as well be hitscans would allow the server to make proper judgement on whose shot to invalidate.

[hidden vapor]

its hitscan or projectile, cant be both

or can be ?

[tight delta]

It can.

[latent bobcat]

It can
Insurgency sandstorm does

[hidden vapor]

ah its a hybrid

[tight delta]

I'd welcome anything that would change up the current system a bit. Having lose-lose trades is extremely unfun. It's an unfun mechanic, and a source of a lot of frustration for many, many players, at least judging all the social media channels, lol.

[hidden vapor]

dont think so :

for me trades are logical, since we are using projectiles

[tight delta]

It makes sense at a range, not at close ranges.

[radiant river]

Trades don't just happen because of projectiles

[tight delta]

The extremely close-range trades are what's not working.

Trading in general is a good mechanic.

[hidden vapor]

you think it wont happen in real life that 2 people at close combat shoot themselves ?

[tight delta]

You think there's people hunting nightmarish hellcreatures in the bayous in the real life?

You need to piss in real life, should we have a pee-meter in-game?

[hidden vapor]

i do, but I am pointing your point it doesnt make sense

why it wouldnt ?

[radiant river]

Is there ping irl?

[hidden vapor]

yes, between brain and your muscles 😄

[radiant river]

You have no clue why trades happen

You don't know what you're saying

[hidden vapor]

yea yea

look like 50 messages above

like, I am reading here all day that it should be fixed but not how. @latent bobcat had point to be hybrid but I dont think that it would work in Hunt (it doesnt fit there) so maybe, delete it ?

[karmic ivy]

^ I concur, when trades happen for me, it was in a situation where you would expect it to be possible. It seems natural when it happens. I have never died to a dead person, as some people say. I do not think it is common either.

[hidden vapor]

and here we are again at deleting bullets in mid air on long range

[hidden vapor]

yea me too, never happenned to me. Last time I heard enemy shot at the same time I shot and we both died, naturally ?, so for me, its ok

[radiant river]

Trades are most common at close range usually with shotguns/melee

[tight delta]

That's the part that doesn't make sense.

[karmic ivy]

indeed 😄

[hidden vapor]

never seen a meele trade, asked here if it happens nobody told me

[tight delta]

It happens, no-one can tell you to how many, or how often.

[radiant river]

Usually it'd be 1 melee and 1 not melee kill

[tight delta]

No access to such data.

[radiant river]

In my experience

[tight delta]

Tru.

[hidden vapor]

i mean your experience

i dont care about statistics we cant reach and can just make from our heads

[hot vigil]

Tbh, the best solution Crytek could add is that if a player dies, bullets mid flight, unless headshots, can only deal damage down to 1 hp. Tho the issue is that, that this is something they need to add without players knowing, then they don't feel cheated when it happens.

[tight delta]

I adjusted my playstyle after the hitreg update, but during the first weeks they were quite common 😄

[radiant river]

I have seen lots of people die to trade when trying to melee, especially against shotguns

[hidden vapor]

thats different, i mean meele meele

not shotgun vs melee

again we are at shotguns

like I have solution for you guys, dont play on close combat vs shotguns 😄

easy as that

[tight delta]

You're right, the solution was and is to not play close quarter. That's what I did 😄

But when you get into a CQC-fight, it's such BS that it most likely ends in a trade.

[hidden vapor]

like, I understand you are frustrated and if its 1v1 and your teammate is watching you and you die like that, it just makes you mad

but I rather have trade, then get my bullet deleted after i died because of nano second

[native lodge]

well you can't play like you have a a chance to not take damage at all anymore

so you have to play more tactfully in cqc

[hot vigil]

I can see that, but then we have situation where people get killed and on the halfway down they shoot a blast killing the other player.

[karmic ivy]

I dissagree, one of my fav builds for a new hunter is short winfield and short romero. I do not trade more than is expected. It happens maybe one in seven games I would guess.

[native lodge]

tbh most of the trades I have had seem fair

no ones bullets got deleted

[karmic ivy]

But I have not seen this, in over a year... It is not common

[native lodge]

there is always going to be odd cases

[native lodge]

thats doesn't actually mean they shot after death

thats just latency

[hot vigil]

I've seen it within the past year, but I agree not too common. And that is a slew of other issues that is not necessarily tied to the trade mechanic itself.

[tight delta]

Maybe the situation gets better when we get ping limits. But CQC trades are still a extra big major turn-off for me, and I'd rather play some other games that do hitreg / killtrading better. If only Hunt had a competitor

[native lodge]

your client isn't the ultimate decider, the server is

[karmic ivy]

I see

[hot vigil]

Agreed, I don't mind taking a loss if it means the other team wins the round. Those 40 min rounds of action just ending on two idiots knifing each others is just so anti-climatic.

[native lodge]

yes hit scan games would be more your speed is my guess, I hope you find one that is fun for you

[karmic ivy]

yes, Good luck

[tight delta]

A bit patronizing, don't you think?

[native lodge]

not at all

I serious

[karmic ivy]

same

[native lodge]

if you don't like trades and stuff there are games that don't have it

[karmic ivy]

it is a genuine statement.

[native lodge]

I not meaning to be patronizing at all, I actually hope you find a game that doesn't have the issues you have with hunt

[hot vigil]

I disagree with that mentality, then nothing in Hunt should get improved.
Hunt is imperfect like many other games, it is only fair to wish a game going into the direction that one thinks is the healthiest or most fun.

[native lodge]

hunt did improve though

you guys just didn't like it

[tight delta]

*don't like some aspect of it

you guys

issues you have

[native lodge]

hit reg update was much better than what was imo and many others

[tight delta]

A bit toxic language, but whatever 😄

[native lodge]

if you think thats toxic I don't know what to tell you

its literally issues you have with the game though

[hot vigil]

And some others. Like some people hate on long ammo or dualies. But you saying "go play other games if you don't like a certain aspect of this one" ain't constructive at all

[karmic ivy]

I disagree with your claim that nothing should get improved. Many things can be improved. But if you don't like one aspect of the gun-play in a game, would you not be better off to find a new one rather than wait for the gun-play to be changed? Especially when it is unlikely to change.

[tight delta]

If I don't like one aspect of gunplay, how does it make me dislike the gunplay as a whole?

Reading comprehension, anyone?

[karmic ivy]

insults?

[native lodge]

that was in response to this, the "... I'd rather play games that do hitreg/kill trades better...". its simply a then go play those games, no hard feelings whatsoever if you aren't liking how they game works

because I don't think they are going to revert the trade changes, after it was so requested

[karmic ivy]

That is what I was thinking as well, it is very unlikely.

[tight delta]

They did state they are going to rework it somehow, at some point.

As they received a negative feedback on it.

[karmic ivy]

they said they would work on it, but they did not say how. I don't think they used the word rework.

[tight delta]

On their Traitor's Moon devstream, if I'm not mistaken.

[native lodge]

and there may be a chance they change the shooting to to be hit scan close up, but until then best someone could do is put it as a suggestion

see if people want that in the first place

might actually solve a lot of issues tbh

[hot vigil]

It was more an example of the mentality taken into an extreme.
And I can see your argument of the likeness of such request not likely to get change, so why bother? But they have already changed it once, so exactly that one thing are statistically more likely to get change.
And in general, a lot of criticism and feedback seems to fall to deaf ears for the devs, so there is an argument that little here should be wished for and all this is just a moot exercise.
But nevertheless, I like Hunt's gameplay 80% of the way, so it is only in my nature to wish that the rest 20% that dislike got more into what I think would be fitting for the game.
Again, nobody (what I've read) have wished for a total change over into a CoD like run'n'gun. But just some tweaks to the parameters of the core gameplay numbers.

[unborn smelt]

Well its a diffrent situation but it doesnt necessarily need to "improove"

Trading is innate to projectile based games

[hot vigil]

I agree, but innate doesn't equal to fun (for some people).

[native lodge]

and bullets being deleted mid air isn't fun for many others

hence why the hit reg change was wanted in the first place

[hot vigil]

Ofc, but there are middle grounds

[tight delta]

Trading at distances where the bullet travel time creates a time window during which players are able to fire off shots that will hit the other player even after death is innate in projectile based games. But the extremely close quarter trades are the really unfun part of this transaction.

[native lodge]

in cqc plays will fire within fractions of a second of each other

[hot vigil]

Again, trading for me is only unfun in close quarters and mostly only when it is the two last people on the server killing each other.

[native lodge]

I mean I kinda consider that an improvement on tactics, you can't just go blow for blow with the last guy and expect to win

[karmic ivy]

Well said and i agree with your sentiment. But all these users need to do is give their valuble feedback to the devs. Then wait. And in the mean time, I would suggest they look for games that 100% fulfill their desires. There is a huge world of games out there, and more everyday.

[hot vigil]

Ofc, which can be a frustrating process bc reasonable enough, the devs can't send a personal message to every requester that their feedback is heard, so it can appear that they don't listen/care.

For some people.

[native lodge]

also trades would feel much less jankier with reduced latency

[hot vigil]

Agree with that Embers

[native lodge]

but there also has to be a balance, regions need to be able to fill games to have a player base at all

[karmic ivy]

Thats a problem with the person that thinks they don't listen. They could fix that for themselves!

If someone were to think that way about me, what can I do about it?

Nothing at all.

They said they care about their game and want it to be the best it can be and succeed.
They said they take in feedback, and NEED IT.
if people don't think they do, what can they do about that.

[hot vigil]

Yeah, the sad reality that hunt ain't HUGE 😦
But is lessen of quality for players on the populated servers better than retaining players in smaller regions?
I don't know the answers to that.

[hot vigil]

Ah they can do little about that, just reality of the situation. Been working with management of teams on and off throughout the years and being good at taking feedback is fucking hard.

[native lodge]

yeah that would be by the numbers kinda thing which crytek would have but I don't

[hot vigil]

Not just taking in the feedback, but also show you actual do.

[karmic ivy]

I can imagine some of the challenge! I have seen some things too.

[hot vigil]

I did it with volunteer workforces, where goodwill is about the only currency you have for your workers. Bc yeah, we can't give them a raise.

[karmic ivy]

I am watching that unfold here with Hunt Lol. I have been here a year. seen the drama unfold. The Hunt devs are better than many at talking to their community. But still, its a problem.

[karmic ivy]

I see

My dad told me a funny story from work, he worked at the lighthouse salad dressing plant.

they wanted employee feedback on the new labels

so he gave them the honest one, he hated it, it looked like a young kid drew it.

the feedback was taken SO badly, managment asked him to go personally apologize! He said no... I can't recall the rest of the details. it was dramatic though and then had a mundane end.

[hot vigil]

lmao

[karmic ivy]

I thought it was pretty bad that an adult got so upset at someone hating their creation.

[thorny ivy]

Well they worked really really hard on it

And clearly everyone else liked the idea and were not obviously just humouring them

[karmic ivy]

It is unreasonable to imagine that everyone will like your creation

It is more likely some will love it, and some will hate it. and if you ask for feedback. you should expect both.
I find it strange they did not learn this yet.

[thorny ivy]

Probly used to being surrounded by yes men or people worried theyed get a talking to like your dad but dont got the stubborness to fight over it

I can understand feeling a bit stung at critique its natural but yes to demand a formal apology is kinda petty

[karmic ivy]

I am sure there is reasons. I can intellectualy understand it, it would be nice if everyone likes our work, but I am now beyond feeling hurt by someones lack of respect for my creations! lol. Its just the way life goes. and its ok.

[thorny ivy]

But a whole board?

Or was it just specific guy who wanted an apology

[karmic ivy]

just the one person, was so "hurt" by the feedback

that they complained

And my dad is NOT a rude unfeeling person

[thorny ivy]

I mean to say a kid drew it kinda sucks but not the worst ya could hear from someone

[karmic ivy]

hes was simply honest, the style did indeed look like small children drew the people. google has a similar style these days. all the parts are out of proportion to eachother.

[thorny ivy]

Oh one of those wierd artsy fartsy corporate styles

Least ive heard it called corporate art

[karmic ivy]

ah

[tight delta]

I know exactly what you mean, the bland humanoid art

[thorny ivy]

Cuz its not necessarily actual artists coming ip with the design but stuffy busness types telling artist to make it like this or somethin

Hence “corporate” art

[karmic ivy]

Its something strange... I guess that just means its new huh.

lol, progress!

[thorny ivy]

Same with how gamaes and movies have gotten stagnent

[karmic ivy]

yeah...

[thorny ivy]

Corporate heads make a formula

Of what works

Then try to boil it down to basics for cheapness

Cuz it in their minds has always shown to work according to whatever statistics and whatnot they read

Creativity is expensive and risky

Also the standard “any publicity is good publicity” probly cuz people talk about how uncanny the art is too

So that means its getting attention which is good

And good means profit

[karmic ivy]

yeah, they definatly lost the creativity that lead to us gamers not KNOWING what to expect from the next game. I think small teams that had creative control were the reason we had such nice games in the past, but it didn't carry forward.

[thorny ivy]

Well some articles ive read have pointed out its cuz the creative types dont necessarily make the best busness men so when the retire the next dude os usually from the busness side of things calling the shots rather the. Someone from the actual gaming artsy side of things

Same with movies

Or they just replace the guy with some busness dude who was successful somehwere else and assume that success translates

And these new guys running things are more about how can i generate profit more then how can i make this fun

[karmic ivy]

hmmm interesting

[thorny ivy]

They just care that something sells

They dont care why it was selling

Hence the safe formulas for movie plots and stuff

They know explosions sell they dont care why those explosions sold

Then get mad when thier little formula that shoulda generated profit didnt cuz it wasnt fun

Just the same shlock as everyone else has made cuz theyve been told/taught its what sells too

@karmic ivy its somewhat ironic in the sense you could compare them to gamers who only care about earning the highest score by any means ruining the fun for anyone else cuz thier sense of fun is just seeing if the can get the biggest number out of anyone

Or moba players who follow guides to minkax thier characters

[vague patio]

gamers will optimize the fun out of the game

[thorny ivy]

Except in thier case trying to make money is thier game

Its a wierd kinda contradictory thing

They want to generate as much profit as possible while also eliminating the most risk ironicly depriving themselves of potential greater profit

Then get mad when playing it safe doesnt work anymore cuz people want something different

[vague patio]

oh, i actually didnt follow chat at all, just saw shit got talked about trading and noped out

[tight delta]

Trading you say?

[vague patio]

thats saw that meessage and thought thats a fitting quote

[thorny ivy]

Oh were talking about how corporate types when they get in charge tend to optimise the fun or interesting shot outta anything in the pursuit of profit to the point they lose it

And cant seem to get why

[tight delta]

Not sure if it applies, but man I was disappointed by the newest Battlefield. I was so ready for a new BF-game.

When the first gameplay footage and reviews hit live, I just noped out.

[thorny ivy]

Heard its very meme and not in a good way

[tight delta]

I don't get how a company can produce something like that, and then release it! It's amazing.

Surely they knew the state the game was in.

[thorny ivy]

This was the one with black natzis using russian guns on the opposite front right?

In the singleplayer campaign no less

[tight delta]

I have no idea. Wait, that's Battlefield V right?

Historical accuracy aside, I really enjoyed that game at times.

But 2042 had little redeeming qualities.

[thorny ivy]

Not sure just remember reading something bout that in one of the newer battlefields

[tight delta]

Yup, I think it was V.

One December it received extremely controversial weapon balance update that made the time-to-kill much higher. TTK felt nice before the update, and it was never fully fixed afterwards.

Everybody became a bullet sponge.

[thorny ivy]

I saw something bout how a company cant remeber which or maybe it was multiple companies have been using some kinda ai diversity algorythem and that mighta been why you see things like that

Cuz sometjing about apex or overwatch 2 had something to do with it

And they talked about how it mighta been in use for a few years now in reality

But wasnt really talked about till whatver was going on with apex or overwatch

Only caught a snippet of it

I think it was about a new character causing butthurt or somethin

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[zinc solstice]

@tawny meadow where did the name vincent come from

[steady prism]

@late wind how about new mechanic?

If you fire DA revolver you can either wait for hunter to automatically cock the hammer / press button to cock the hammer or fire as double action

So basically... You shoot slowly its SA

You spam, it gets horribly inaccurate

Id personally like them to expand this mechanic and introduce a new keybind to rack the bolt / cock hammer, since thanks to it you could easily reload bolt actions without bulletgrubber...

Basically IRL DA revolvers are hard to master weapons... Why not make them work similarly in Hunt?

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[digital nacelle]

the problem with nerfing double action weaponry is that it’ll make the spitfire even more OP than it already is

[steady prism]

Well its kinda double sided not just nerf...

They will be better in SA mode when firing on longer ranges

U mean 0.5s?

Its ok

Personally... That would be a pretty hard thing to use at range

I can see it as a good mechanic to add IF they add my solution of precocking hammer

Then itll be actually quite balanced

Depends on what you bind it to

Id put it either on Q where i got my FAK rn

Or one of my empty mouse buttons

All in all Hunt is using just a handful of keybinds rn... Tarkov or WarThunder have shitloads

Ah yes the controllers.... I forgot

Thats why

Well since DAs dont have the ability to switch ammo type, you could use that keybind 🤔

[native lodge]

I don't see the need to change them at all

[steady prism]

Ye rn there isnt... But thats only because we have just 2 semi-auto handguns, out of which one is hella nerfed and still costs both of your livers and second is a bit underwhelming and also massively overpriced...

If you add a new mechanic to DAs they will became more unique and interesting to play and allow devs to add more different DAs and SAPs

Its basically investment in future 😉

[soft tendon]

The Nagant Officer had a short delay at some point

[dense sapphire]

@prime ibex (Boa Bolt)
1. CC mechanics are inherently unfun to deal with and should be limited or avoided alltogether in Hunt
2. Why would you use a CC bolt when you can just use shotbolt and outright kill them.

[steady prism]

agreed

[prime ibex]

It's not crowd control?

[tawny field]

Crowd control has been used as short hand for anything that reduces mobility

So youre technically right, but only literally

Or affects another players mobility

[prime ibex]

So few things that barely effect player mobility in Hunt, besides so a Boa to the legs is direct target control, and that's only if you hit them.

[tawny field]

I think the argument theyre making is

Cc bad

Not that there is enough cc already

[prime ibex]

Lemme just bring a hunter fully of concertina, is that CC enough? lol

[tawny field]

Sure why not

I play the home alone build

[prime ibex]

Nice

[tawny field]

I can understand why people in the shooter pvp only camp would hate the suggestion

[prime ibex]

I guess, but this is Hunt, and anything's on the table lol

[tawny field]

Tangentially related note. I want ideas for bayou engineering akin the the bomblance

[dense sapphire]

Having your mobility be limited is extremely unfun and frustrating to deal with. Such, any mechanic or system that limits player mobility directly should be avoided unless it benefits the game.

[thorny ivy]

@prime ibex like your idea behind the heavy crossbow but pinning targets moght be a bit op the barbed bolt is interesting as long as the pull out doesnt deal too much dmg

[prime ibex]

It wouldn't pin hunters, more less the mobs if you shoot them with it.

[thorny ivy]

Ok thats not so bad then

@prime ibex and if the heavy crossbow idea doesnt pan out the barbed bolt is still an interesting ammo idea that could still be useable

So maybe also work on that as its own suggestion as well

[prime ibex]

Yea.

I just want a heavy crossbow to lug around lol

[thorny ivy]

I get it

[prime ibex]

Be like lugging around a frickin Nitro, except it's a big heavy crossy.

[thorny ivy]

Some ammo makes it a poor mans grenade launcher

[prime ibex]

Ye

[thorny ivy]

I mean the french used what were basicly heavy crossbows as improvised mortars in ww1

Untill they got some proper mortars to use

[prime ibex]

I also had the idea of possibly making it so you could launch certain consumables with the heavy bow, but I think that might be a too far of a step.

[thorny ivy]

Like?

Cuz they also have the perk that extends your throwing arm

[prime ibex]

Frag 'nades, Bundle bombs, something that wouldn't blow up in your face upon launching

[thorny ivy]

Maybe but the throwing arm perk moght make that redundent

[prime ibex]

But with the Heavy 'Bow you could throw consumables even further than pitcher.

[thorny ivy]

Ya thatd probly be cosidered to op

[prime ibex]

Yea lol

[thorny ivy]

Plus you got crossbow ammo that kinda does similar already

So it wouldnt be to far stretch to just gove them bigger explosive arrows then

Like an arrow thats just a tnt bundle

Thats doen up like a spike grenade

[prime ibex]

Yea, it's just been aching in my head for the idea of this game having a heavy crossbow that is devastating but limited on what you could do with it.

[thorny ivy]

Maybe instead of a piosen bolt it fires hive rounds which are like lesser versions of the hive jars

Im kinda hopin they notice and like my suggestion for air rifles

[prime ibex]

I think there was a prototype steam or pressure rifle in the age that Hunt is based in.

[thorny ivy]

Oh yead air rifles have been around for awhile lewis and clark used one on their expedition to hunt buffalo

That same rifle was also became the standard rifle in the itallion military for ahwile

@prime ibex #game-ideas message

Thats my suggestion for air rifles its got vids giving deets

[prime ibex]

Nice.

[thorny ivy]

Figured the vids could give a better exp of how they work then i could lol

And theres a few models sp you could have them be variants of the same air rifle or give players a couple models to choose from

[prime ibex]

Yea, it's well detailed man.

[tawny meadow]

The Assassin's lore!

[zinc solstice]

I think I'm missing the last part of assassins section in the monstrom

Or I just forgor

[willow gulch]

What is this?
How come he can kill me through the objects without getting the wallbang symbol?
Cheat?
https://streamable.com/swrvo9

[silver ermine]

what do you guys think of this?

[dense sapphire]

Those both looked like headshots

[half stag]

"In some cases, headshots won't count as a headshot."

latest and greatest from CryEngine

new bug in 1.8.1

[silver ermine]

yeah id like someone to explain what happened here....

[half stag]

no, its an actual known issue that sometimes your headshot won't be registered as a headshot

you can look at the patch notes if you would like

[silver ermine]

seriously? is there someone at crytek putting bugs into the game so they have work to do to fix them and keep their job? these bugs seem comlpeatly random like. or maybe does it have something to do with the crouch posture update some how changing the hit boxes maybe?

[dense sapphire]

Spagget

[silver ermine]

how do i read the patch notes? on steam?

[dense sapphire]

Yes

Coding is kinda bullshit tho

You can change one thing and completely fuck up something entirely different that was tied to by a thread

[silver ermine]

ahh so its like data moshing or changinf the file code of a picture and getting random artifacts happen?

found it : "In some cases, headshots won't count as a headshot."

[zinc solstice]

yeah that should be in headshot range too

[glossy swift]

as a bit of a joke i proposed a 2 slot long barreled pax with a low damage drop off and it ended up being really popular anybody care to say why they liked it

[random quartz]

Teammate killed at 362m and shot me multiple times while I was fighting the boss so I let the boss take me. Watched him and his team kill everyone. Don't name and shame? Fuck that. Ban me, don't care. Won't support this "head in the sand" mentality any longer. Cheaters can get away with it all if that's the case...

[plush ledge]

@random quartzit's called de render sniping and the "wallhack" those guys using is offered by Crytek due to engine limitations , the little brother of this are the walls and objects which derender at like 70m when you play low settings but at derender sniping range the whole compound is gone

and when you look at the name they clearly make fun of the lead designer for this mechanic being still in the game

it only became a problem when they added spitzer , you were missing range and pen before

useless for de render sniping

not enough range and pen

yeah but at that range I still prefer Mosin spitzer

guys hiding in bushes that don't render at range is another story

btw using de render should be ban able , I guess you get like 3-7 days too like you did for ladder glitch aka nobody cares

[glossy swift]

i got headshot by the same guy 2 matches in a row through some derendered stuff from 250+ meters spitzer is a magnet for cheats/exploits

im nott saying using spitzer means youre cheating just that if youre cheating or using derender bugs youll gravitate to spitzer

[unborn smelt]

Tbh cant agree anymore.

Post nerf Dolch doesnt make bad players much more dangerous than a model 92 or officer anymore, just more broke...

As for spitzer - the loss of dmg makes em far less lethal than if they had regular long ammo

More annoying sure - but in my experience way way less dangerous

[plush ledge]

You're shooting for nothing but the head with spitzer and players who know how to derender and such are also able to hit those shots but I understand that spitzer isn't a problem in low elo

When you're happy to hit a body shot spitzer sucks that's true

It's like bomblance on PC and Console , on one it's a meme on the other good . The same with spitzer in low and high elo

[glossy swift]

i headshot an entire team with spitzer at 200+ before yes they had bad positioning but still that shouldnt be as easy as it is since im a terrible shot and my mouse is spotty

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[unborn smelt]

Not really in my experience...

I'm playing high ELO on PC - specifically around your ELO, met you quite a few times.
And even there basic long is far more dangerous

Because of the reliability that comes from high dmg and the ohk abilities in Cqc once you're missing HP

[keen bolt]

Unpopular opinion

But Caldwell conversion Spitfire

[unborn smelt]

And pretty much none of the high velocity low dmg options are very pooular or strong.

Cent isnt, spitzer isnt, and HV nagant doesnt veat out higher dmg pistols either.

Yet high dmg weapons like all long ammo or the uppercut, and vetterli are consistently strong

[plush ledge]

thank god you take it as a personal attack , what does you not playing 4 stars anymore change when I say 3-4 star players don't know how to use spitzer? But I'm confused when we got matched against ? I can't remember one match or do you play under another name ?

[unborn smelt]

I dontake it as a personal attack

I just say i cant really observe it myself ever

Yeah my steam name is diffrent

Last time we met i had a starshell romero

I did die to you for that tho...

[plush ledge]

was about to ask if you were the random yesterday

[unborn smelt]

Nah - my router is fried since 8 days

And telekom are slow af in replacing it

[vague patio]

telekom fun

[plush ledge]

still I'm sorry I can't remember a star shell player

[unborn smelt]

All gud dont have to

Wasnt a particularly spectacular match - i die memeing starshell and my mate avenged me

About what youd expect from starshell romero

[vague patio]

starshell buff to compete with mosin

pens through objects and leaves burn holes

[keen bolt]

No No

[vague patio]

when revived your hunter needs to go through a 2 minute amputation animation

[keen bolt]

It fires into the air with 1,200 m/s while spitting dragon breath flame in all direction and pen all surfaces to all hunter alive in the match burning / flashing and permanently kills them instantly with only your team remaining

I believe that's the most fair stats they could of give them

[vague patio]

when shot it just burns the server

[keen bolt]

Possibly send 1,000,000 worth of penny shot into every AI in the map too

And then makes the server provider explode as if shot with explosion bullet

And also buff the cost on it making it 1$ so everyone can afford them XD

[vague patio]

thats some inflation

anyway, for real, starshell is one of those things that need to be addresssed. devs talked about trying to mitigate add and forget. so thats one

[willow gulch]

What is this?
How come he can kill me through the objects without getting the wallbang symbol?
Cheat?
https://streamable.com/swrvo9

and btw... snub nosed revolvers wasnt a thing until 1927

[keen bolt]

Literally NOONE will object to this

[keen bolt]

Bulldogs

[willow gulch]

You do see that the fire/smoke from the gun comes through the objects? Like barrel and sandbags

Im not talking about trajectory... Im talking about how it didnt count as going through wall when it clearly did

Why did it agree with their client and not mine?

No. I had good latency

So since it was through the wall, why didnt it show through the wall then?

But they were. Kill view also showed behind everything
So you are wrong Im sorry

You literally see in the video that the smoke and fire comes straight behind everything

Why do you have to give this game so bad rep all the time?

[plush ledge]

Kill view can be off by 1m

The same with spectator cam that's completely off

[fluid locust]

BB clan not surprised. they play with cheaters and many of them are also cheaters lol. died to one of the BB teammates and it was the first and only time I have ever died to a confirmed hacker. guy had a 8.9 something KD and his name was something about his cheats. and had a VAC ban the day he made his account.

[fluid locust]

that just sounds like a better new army lol

[spring sail]

Is anyone having trouble joining friends matches or sending friends invites? I can play solo or join with random players, but I’m getting an error message whenever I try playing with friends

[keen bolt]

Which idea

[keen bolt]

Well stream error again

[fluid locust]

the mini revolver 2 one

[keen bolt]

Well to be fair it's a tool slot

And also only effective up to 20m

And even worse velocity XD

And damage

[spring sail]

What is a well stream error? Like a server problem?

[keen bolt]

Steam app

That Steam where you buy games from them

Restarting Steam is the fix

[spring sail]

I tried resetting a few times this evening and it still didn’t work

I play on PS4

[keen bolt]

Oh

Then I really don't know (PC)

[spring sail]

No worries. Thanks though

[jovial lodge]

You can tag me with a screenshot in #bug-reports-ps and I'll try to get an answer for ya

[spring sail]

It’s not a network error though because I can still play online

[jovial lodge]

It could be a temporary interruption that won't kick you from a game session but that will cause issues when you're sending invites or in a party

First things to try would be to move your console closer to your router if you're on a wireless connection or otherwise switch to a wired connection

[spring sail]

What would cause the temporary interruption though? It has to be a hunt bug, because I was able to talk to my friends just fine and I was still able to play solo.

Unfortunately I can’t move the router too close to the console because they are set up on different levels

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[jovial lodge]

If it's just the game invites, could be related to the signals sent between PlayStation and Hunt servers, and for that I don't know if there's a solution. I forwarded it along but you can also create a ticket with customer support by following the directions in #customer-support

[queen jungle]

@languid meadow I'm afraid checking out suspicious players sounds like even more witch hunting than is already going on

[languid meadow]

that was more of an added bonus, its nice to have their overlays and to also be able to easily send and show your stats

but true

[keen bolt]

Btw what do you guys think about Flechette Penetration?

[sick anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/salem-sabrina-hilda-zelda-sabrina-the-teenage-witch-gif-21405085

[sick anvil]

no

[keen bolt]

Why not?

[sick anvil]

Same reason why Dum Dum pen is a no go
you can not have everything

Flechette in gneral are good penetrating soft tissue but bad on penetrating denser materials .

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[sick anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs_a_guXLeY

this is the second time they tested them , and this video is showing better results than the first

[keen bolt]

Make sense

But eh

I'm so tired of Flechette not Penning Fence...

Really

Do you think they should increase the range on it tho?

[unborn smelt]

Flrchette are kind if ass as shotgun ammo irl.
Because you
U need to pack em in a way that half the darts sit the wrong way - meaning they turn when exiting the barrel ehat increases spread and makes a lot of em not hit with the right side, but rather with the sides or back

[vague patio]

flechette doesn't need anything

legit good balance

its a supportive ammo type tho

[unborn smelt]

Yeah shame romero cant use em

[vague patio]

yep

[sick anvil]

i would rather see romero have high brass double 0 buck

9 pelets

[unborn smelt]

I mean not much i can say to that

Its a new ammo type that'd need full new balance and everything

Vs just giving it acess to an existing one

And theyarent mutually exclusive either

[sick anvil]

Well it be better than gimick shells

Shotgun special ammo .
Outside of Slug is Gimicks

Example i have no clue what starshell is good for

[vague patio]

starshell is the only shit one

db is kinda bad

but does put immense pressure on enemy

[sick anvil]

yes they are usable but ultimately its a gimick

There is a reason buck shot bird shot and slugs are still being made and “exotic” ammo is sold but mostly as novelty ammo none of them claim any use besides shits and giggles

that includes dragon’s breath confetti shot , coin shot , flechette and many more

[vague patio]

hmm
cause it flashy and memorable, better for a game. and probably easier to balance as there are effects on hunters

slugs are the only "non gimmicky" and basically break shotgun balance

[keen bolt]

Or you can just BS this ammo into Hunt somehow

[burnt mulch]

I mean shotgun ammo makes enough sense and are pretty good. Penny could use more ammo and Starshell could be quieter.
Except dragonbreath. Dragonbreath is dumb and gimmicky.

[vague patio]

starshell also has random variance

unreliable, loud and drains your ammo pool

[keen bolt]

Ah shit apparently the latest one got downvoted sad

Yeah I agree on the Fun part

[signal mural]

Is there not a regulation on reposting Suggestions? I swear I see people repost their same Suggestion after a few days. Is there no way to flag these for the Mods to review?

I like a good suggestion or idea as much as the next person but these re-posts trigger me. I sometimes want to comment why I down vote a post but usually don't because the channel system regulates it and makes a dissonance between Suggestions/Ideas and the Community Critique or Feedback. But by a double-down repost I almost feel obligated to post a critique... and it's not easy because you cannot reply to the author's suggestion without memorizing their tag to switch channels....

[keen bolt]

Tbh I saw it as well

I just assumed the dev stopped caring xd

[signal mural]

I get it when people don't read a whole months worth of posts to avoid posting the same idea as someone else but I think a few users are just deleting and/or reposting their suggestions in hopes of getting more 👍🏻s - which is bogus...

[wind stream]

you can message ModMail when you see someone repost their idea

[keen bolt]

I did do that but not for the likes really

[wind stream]

it is agaimst the channel rules