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[sick anvil]

you really ask that in here ?

[keen bolt]

Just complaining a bit but eh - basically dude kept calling my ex-employee who quit 3 YEARS ago

For service

LikeI didn't call the dude 1 time per month that they could call the official number everytime I call him back or something

Okay anyway back to the topic

Which sight is better for Winfield again?

[sick anvil]

The one you suggest with a visual change

while ADS instead of seeing a crisp sharp black ring it would be blurred as it would not be the focal point

[keen bolt]

Nice

Okay I'll post it

Title: Aperture change

Change to aperture sight to look more realistic - and hopefully better for the Winfield the Winfield could do with smaller aperture ring (left one in the picture down below)

Aperture will have blurred rear sight it will look thicker naturally not the thick iron sight.

[sick anvil]

i woud crop the right side of the second picture

[keen bolt]

I'll do that

Works

[sick anvil]

yap

[keen bolt]

Wonder if ghost ring provide any zoom level at all

[sick anvil]

They can and must not

Small hole thick rings do

big hole skinny rings do less

[keen bolt]

Make sense actually

The right one zoom more

It's not really noticeable but maybe at range it does

[sick anvil]

that is why apeture on sharps used to be a hole the size of a needle

[keen bolt]

Yeah that make sense tbh

I very much like the idea of iron sight sniper zoom lmao

[sick anvil]

Well far from sniper zoom

just to be fair . Best apeture sight will give you at bes 1x zoom

where scopes can give you depending on use up to X99 zoom

now of course x99 is overexaggerated

because that would be more a spotter scope

thought this one has a zoom( magnifications) of 10x-50x https://www.kahles.at/de/sport/zielfernrohre/k1050i-10-50x56i-ft

this lady uses a similar scope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVvBE7IQx8&t=2s

course this is way more modern than anything that would be possible in 1895

The target she shoots at in the later part is roughly 38 inches large at a distance of 3699 yards

[keen bolt]

Yeah

That's impressive

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[jovial flint]

@thorny ivy
Like the idea of air rifles implemented,
The Tikhar in the Metro games carried me through the campaign

[thorny ivy]

Thx ya i thought theyed be an interesting addition and felt they fit the setting in their own way

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[sick anvil]

makes me wonder have got any ballistic data on the air guns ?

[latent bobcat]

@winged flint the Spencer would be the spectre because the spectre was made by the same person as the Spencer
It was called the Spencer shotgun 1882

[winged flint]

Oh yea

[latent bobcat]

I’m a big spencer carbine fan
So I already came up with a post for it

[winged flint]

Nice

Would you agree for it to be a 2 tier rifle?

[latent bobcat]

I think
I also think it should have a rifle variant

[winged flint]

Yea that would sense also a swift version

[latent bobcat]

And a lot of Spencer carbines were converted to shotguns
So a Spencer swift shotgun could be quite unique

[winged flint]

Huh

That actually explains the odd mechanism of the shotgun

[latent bobcat]

Well
Not really, the Spencer 1882 shotgun was a different design
Although Spencer really liked not having proper extractors for his guns so that’s the reason for the odd mechanism

Spencer lever action shotgun conversions were all civilian conversions

[winged flint]

Gotcha

[thorny ivy]

Thought the videos covered it umm let me find the wiki

[thorny ivy]

SPECIFICATIONS

Caliber: .462 in (11.68mm)

Muzzle velocity: 500 fps (152 m/s)

Weight: 10 pounds (4.5 kg)

Length: 48 inches (1.2 m)

Magazine capacity: 22 rounds

Effective range: 150 yards (137 m)

“At … 50 feet, (15 meters) … capable of placing ten shots into a group the size of a quarter.”

@sick anvil and this is what i found for the pritchard: large-bore air gun like this one would have held 700 or 800 psi in its tank, and produced a muzzle velocity probably around 550-600 feet per second (170-180 m/s). A round ball of .50 caliber at that speed was certainly lethal with a well-placed shot, and these weapons were just fine for hunting as well as sport shooting.

From what i can find online seems like most larger caliber airrifles were about the same level of performance

[sick anvil]

sounds good thanks mate

[dense fjord]

@late wind your suggestion has No reacts

[late wind]

Seems to now.

[ripe basalt]

Sometimes it can take a moment for the bot to reapply the reactions

If it doesn't, you can always reach out to modmail to get it fixed

[late wind]

@narrow elk trios can turn on when you reshuffle hunters or unequip items because trios on/off is bound to the same button (at least on console). But I agree there should be an outnumbered warning before starting queue.

[keen bolt]

Ngl

I wish Cent got reworked

But it would be only my preference

What Hunt need rn is the incentive to Prestige

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[eternal pasture]

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[dense fjord]

I think it would be nice too

[keen bolt]

I think everyone will agree lol

I'd suggest it give more damage to the Vett and Winfield should have Vetterli rof because you know Winfield being lever and Vetterli is a bolt gun

But it would be called a rebalance and everyone hates that XD

[dense fjord]

#game-ideas message

I suggested this awhile back

Other people have said it needs even more than that but I think doing 125 would be a great place to start

Maybe some more reserve too

[keen bolt]

It could work

Actually

Alternatively

Increase the RPM

Usually the headshot spam gun has rpm to back it up

But well figured that might make it op?

Nah not really but it will go up 2 tier

From C to A

125 damage will boost the close range usability but I think for the most part within 20m duals and slugs still rule

Spare ammo is a great Idea to make them independent weapon

Which I like a lot more

Because I wish to bring officer with it but I wouldn't because ammo reserve

[dense fjord]

True

125 damage means it will ohk to chest hunters that lost a small bar up to 20 meters I think

Which both the other medium ammo rifles can do

[keen bolt]

If I have a rifle I'm not going anywhere near my enemy lol

[dense fjord]

But yeah it could probably even use a little more than that

[keen bolt]

Unless I know they have long ammo single shot

[dense fjord]

Very Slight rof and reload speed increase?

[keen bolt]

I think 46 rpm is reasonable (if it's the only buff)

But again 44 equal to vett could also work

Vet can 1 tap and is often on free hunter and have forgiving stats and ammo pool

[dense fjord]

It could definitely use some small buffs

[dense fjord]

Yep

[keen bolt]

Either that or it gets a better variants

[dense fjord]

I don’t think variants will fix its issues

[keen bolt]

Only thing Vett is bad is the velocity which isn't really a problem within its fighting distance

[dense fjord]

I’d prefer if they balanced it better in general

[dense fjord]

And you can take HV

[keen bolt]

I think there are various ways to balance a gun actually

Adding 'stronger' special ammo

For example

Or Stronger variants (Scottsfield being one)

I like the Pax being the only revolver to fire 46 rpm lol

As single action

Also

Not gonna lie

Dum Dum on Cent makes a lot of sense

Pax for ammo

Or if we're being ridiculous here

A high velocity

[dense fjord]

I’m down

[keen bolt]

Reaching Spitzer speed with just 1 simple trick

XD

[dense fjord]

No pen really hurts but dum dum cent sounds really fun

[keen bolt]

Yup

[dense fjord]

HV centennial would be insane

[keen bolt]

I know right?

But really tho

Who thought Sniper cent would be a great idea

Sensible Variant for it would be

Aperture and Marksman

Sniper variants are fun and all but it's too gimmicky

[dense fjord]

FMJ on Vetterli and Centennial is really good too

!calculator

[marsh garden]

Damage calculator: https://nixatek.com/DamageCalculator.html

[vale cedar]

centennial is my fav gun

[marsh pine]

You need to buff poison ammo - it is a total meme and useless mess atm. The lack of raw damage due to taking poison ammo nerfs it into oblivion

It would make poison sense more useful too and less of a negative trait

[sick anvil]

@late wind I have a question when you do refer to bullet size in the aim punch suggestion are you talking about caliber or overall size ?

[sick anvil]

Some special ammo as stated by devs in the past was meant to be PVE oriented thus being strong against AI at the cost of it being weak in PvP

[late wind]

Just the current compact/medium/long dynamic. But I'd be open to suggestions. Maybe actual real world cartridge/projectile size could have a good impact.

[keen bolt]

I have various Idea on how this could work

[sick anvil]

Was just wondering what you meant by size as 1895 was a break point where both Big and slow and small and fast were roughly equal
Most older guns used .40 - .50 diameter bullets and their power was usually determined by grains of black powder
example 45-70Gov is a .45 diameter bullet with 70 grains of black powder this would be for example Cent . 45-110 is same diameter with 110 grains of black powder this makes the bullet carry more energy cause of it travels faster . cause kinetic energy is calculated one half mass multiplied by square of speed .
The damage dealt by the bullets is how much of the energy can be dumped in the target and how much energy is retained on distance
Flinch should be for example also based on distance
getting shot at point blank by a sparks should make you flinch as F while at distance it should lessen
FMJ should lessen the flinch as they have more penetration thus less energy does get transferred

[keen bolt]

Tbh I'd say classified by Ammo type or damage would work best

[sick anvil]

big diameter gives a larger permanent cavity but if it travels slow the temporary cavity will be Smaller often referred as hydrostatic shock.
Permanent cavity is that is the actually damage caused by the bullet carving in to flesh organs etc .
Temporary cavity is the result of transfer of energy this makes for a short time period a bubble that can tear not cut organs and or flesh
Smaller diameter bullets going very fast with the right geometry of projectile do create a big temporary cavity and a small permanent.
while slower heavier bullets will do the opposite

Thus my suggestion should be Proportional to distance and damage. based on guns stats

which brings the same result CCP will make you flinch less than NE would

[sick anvil]

Poison ammo is literally as depicted in the game a glass container with a blunt tip designed to shatter on impact it should at the end of the day even taking a speed dip and max distance dip as the glass would shatter by being shot from a gun

[keen bolt]

Xd

I know

I doubt it will even withstand the gun powder blast

But Hunt ain't a realistic game so there's that

The main problem with poison ammo is that it will ever be useful on silenced weapons

And not much on something else

And tbh without reworking poison system it won't be working that good in PvP either

Unless they make it heavy poison effect when shot

But maybe that was too strong

[sick anvil]

It was never intended for PVP

When they introduced Custom ammo they clearly said some ammo types are PVE focused some are PVP

Poison . dreagons breath incendiary were mainly for PVE purposes

the last thing you want is sparks poison actually dealing 149 damage and be unable to heal

[keen bolt]

I know lol

But I mean if they kept their low damage and have their poison type changed to 'Strong' aka stage 3 it could really be use as support weapon in PvP as well

As right now only gun that I argue could be use in PvP was the Cent

Like the main weapon to use poison as gimmick

But arguably bad

[sick anvil]

sparks works in pvp if you are not solo

but it takes team work

[keen bolt]

Yeah it could work

But it's not like you'll be running it both

You'll keep the seperate ammo

[sick anvil]

it does the sparks guy is the tager the parner is the finisher with poision sense

[keen bolt]

That could work really but it took trait investment and a weirder team play that noone would really adopt it as main way of playing

[sick anvil]

sparks sizs far shoots at people tags them to make enemy glow in dark sight second guy pushes with offfensive weapon to secure kills

[keen bolt]

Yes

Poison sense combo and Dauntless is a strong yet easy to counter combo

Dauntless - Everyone that is 5 stars or more cook their nades properly most of the times

Poison sense - if it became widespread people will start running poison shot and reduce the effectiveness severely

I actually do wish they rework poison so it could be more useful in PvP

My idea would be

Create 'Venom' and 'poison' type damage

• Venom : AIs, Green bees and bosses (basically environment)
• Poison : Special ammo

Basically if you bite it and you die it's Poisonous
If it bites you and you die it's Venomous

Antidote shot could change name to Anti-Venom shot

And prevents poison damage from AIs and the like

While poison ammo does not get hard countered by it

[dense fjord]

I like this idea

People that still run antidote would probably be upset though lol

[keen bolt]

Make it a match long like it used to be and reduce the price

[dense fjord]

Antidote duration already got nerfed into the ground

[keen bolt]

That

[dense fjord]

Yeah

I think that would be cool

[keen bolt]

They could still be protected from hive bomb

Poison bomb

And poison crossbow

But won't be protected by poison ammo

[dense fjord]

Hmm

[keen bolt]

Also won't get fking instakilled by instakill trap

1 stone 4 birds

[dense fjord]

Hive bomb and spider are venom

Atleast like in your chart

But most other sources of current poison are different

Like absorbed or inhaled on the right of that chart

[keen bolt]

Yup

Else it could be like that too

[dense fjord]

That’s too complicated for me to think about rn lol

[keen bolt]

And poison defense trait will now reworked to defend against that to a degree

That could work

[dense fjord]

Against poison ammo and the like you mean?

[keen bolt]

It will reduce the time by 25% right?

[dense fjord]

I’m not sure I think rn it’s half?

[keen bolt]

But yes I agree that poison system if rework could indeed complicate a lot of things

It could address insta kill trap if rework properly

But tbh I'm also fine if left unchanged

Poison never was an issue

I wish we actually had a circle sight for shotgun

Atleast I can see where the center mass are

[dense fjord]

That would be so cool

A lot of games have that

I like it

[keen bolt]

Yesterday I went to 6 star

Getting some kills

And even bullshit

Dude is clearly within 10m

Double barrel center mass 2 shot

Didn't die

And ofc it's 6 star game dude turn back and almost dome me

Yeah almost...

So I suspected that my crosshair placement or the spread is fking me up

[sick anvil]

yesterday server were doo doo , shots going to narnia passing trough enemies hitting walls behind them

etc

[keen bolt]

Or server

Yes

Might be the reason for 2 pissed off dude yesterday.

[little carbon]

@topaz field a sticky will take 3/4 of the spiders health. And it's not that hard to fight the spider with a hammer if you learn how to. There are a few lairs that maybe could use some minor pathfinding reworks, but overall spider kill is consistent once you learn to do it

It's also the easiest boss to skip an enrage Phase on

[warm zephyr]

you just have to hit it until it goes angry(not frenzy) on you. When it does it just chases you around and it's prime time to use your sticky

[little carbon]

It's guaranteed to scream at the first person who enters the lair, which gives you ample time to sticky

[warm zephyr]

unless if you have high ping

[unborn smelt]

Spider sticky is still bugged

It my work perfectly fine

But there's a good chance id does barely anything at all too

[little carbon]

But I'm guessing that's an actual bug, right?

[unborn smelt]

Yes it is

Not intended

Also @topaz field bring fire ammo if you wanna kill the spider

Almost turns your gun to a nitro against it

[keen bolt]

Fire shotgun

Works extremely well

Against Assassin and spider

Even better on spuder

[unborn smelt]

Didnt try DB tbh

But incendiary works wonders

[keen bolt]

Fire ammo also works but I found the fire shotgun to be better

As you don't aim

Ads

[unborn smelt]

1-2 shots per enrage

[keen bolt]

Vs boss

Yeah it's insane

They need to buff DB tho

[unborn smelt]

Nah

DB is weak

But it needs to be

[keen bolt]

I'm going as far as to say they are the worst custom ammo besides flare for shotgun

They are too few in numbers to clear AI

And penny shot deals with ai 200times better

[unborn smelt]

With how bad for gameplay it is to loose bars, db needs to stay weak

[keen bolt]

I think they should revert it to their initial stage

[unborn smelt]

Or we need more good ways to get them back

[keen bolt]

Like burn 25 bar per shot yes

It's great to use as support weapon then

Now it's just between useless and meme

[unborn smelt]

It does it still

[keen bolt]

It does? I find that most time it doesn't even ignite people nowadays

[unborn smelt]

Better than before

[keen bolt]

Placebo effect I guess

[unborn smelt]

Playing test after Db changes was a nightmare

Testing it yourself means you almost guaranteed lost 75 min

And playing long ammo was a guaranteed win

Easy to snack all the ones testing DB and loosing shitloads of hp

[keen bolt]

XD

DB are cool still

But I think they really should give it to most shotgun

Well that would be fun

[keen bolt]

Or atleast on the Rival

[unborn smelt]

I think DB is everything but cool...
The idea aint bad - but on combination woth the HP bar system its shite for gameplay

[keen bolt]

Still very underutilized

Compared to incendiary

[unborn smelt]

Loosing HP to even deaths is enough to slow every game to a crael

But thereits at least kind of deserved

Get hit once

And be a ohk to so much just means you play a loosing game - or camp it out

Thats why i hate that fire permanently burns HP

[keen bolt]

I see

I don't see it much tho

So can't really tell

[slim blade]

@topaz fieldTitle: Spider rework
(...) Also you can't really bring any utility with you to kill it faster, except for an avtomat maybe. (...)
Let me introduce you to the Sticky Bomb. Or an axe. Or the bow. Or crossbow for that matter. Or maybe a hammer. One heavy attack, one light, another heavy, hide for a moment, repeat. All of those deal with the spider rapidly. The first one is the fastest. The last one the slowest. The spider dies to a sticky bomb explosion and ONE heave melee from an axe - you find the axe after you've stuck it with the bomb.
The spider is annoying to fight only if you don't know how to fight it or there are people actively trying to kill you as you fight it.

[unborn smelt]

Dont see much fire or DB / incendiary

Because the fireammo types need to be weak rn because they are so disruptive to gameplay flow if they burn away HP

Thats why they are weak and thus very rarely used

[keen bolt]

Not really weak tbh

On spam gun it's very stronk lol

[unborn smelt]

But with the bad implications for gameplay flow you cant just straight buff it either...

[unborn smelt]

Which one?

Db - maybe

Incendiary not really

Its not uselesd

[keen bolt]

Winfield tbh

[unborn smelt]

But loosing all pen is an issue

[keen bolt]

DePENds (see what I did there)

For me personally I don't trust compact ammo pen enough lol

A lot of times it doesn't pen

Though looking like it should

[unborn smelt]

Like i think they could indeed buff it if they rework fire or give us more ways to re-earn HP

I dont trust compact with blind wallbangs etc either but compact can very well shoot through window shutters and cracks you can see through

[little carbon]

If the burn would be temporary it would promote camping more, because then your best play is to wait it out.

If your team is down bars (in a team vs team) your best bet is to make a high variance play fast, because the attrition game is stacked against you

[unborn smelt]

Same reason i rarely take pennyshot as my sole shotgun ammo

[unborn smelt]

No it wouldnt

Best play for the one with burnt HP would be wait it out - but for the other team thats at an advantage it'd be pudh before the advantage is lost

[little carbon]

Re earning burnt HP is a bit iffy. It would need to be very visible to other teams so that you don't loose info

[unborn smelt]

And with burning permanent camping is still the best option

For both parties

Having lost hp youre fucked when pushing so you essnetially hope they loose their patience

Being outside you know your advantage is permanent so you can just wait for them to come out eventually or die for timer

[keen bolt]

This is kinda true

[unborn smelt]

Tbh i dobt think so. It could still be

[keen bolt]

Especially with red skull revive

[unborn smelt]

But if you are at this big an advantage and not make a move

You deserve loosing the info eventually

[little carbon]

I really don't want to shoot a skin i know i killed earlier in a different fight in the chest and them not dying because they secretly got their bars back.

[unborn smelt]

I'm not saying getting HP back needs to be easy or convenient - or needs to happen at all

[little carbon]

Different fights.

[unborn smelt]

Sure you dont want that

Who wants to loose easy kills

[little carbon]

Happens often enough. You fight a team, kill a few, they camp, banish happens somewhere else. You leave them to play the objective

[unborn smelt]

But i dont wanna just play the patience game either with no good counterplay

[unborn smelt]

Thats why you burn

Jist to make sure

You can only heal burnt HP if you got unburned HP left

And you can only regain heal burnt HP while alive - not downed

So burning somebody out still works perfectly fine

That means fo them to get their mates back they need redskull and thus bounty

[little carbon]

Of course, but that's not always possible.
I just don't see a reason to remove the skill aspect of mapping all the skins to their teams and deaths from the game.
You can easily give the non bounty burn regain some visibility and maybe another downside.
Maybe make people who heal their bars to full visible in dark sight. Disincentivices camping even more

[unborn smelt]

If you are going for boubty as you just said - no sneaky regainig

[unborn smelt]

It wouldnt be removed - its still valuable info

It'd just mean info can become outdated after a while of not caring

[little carbon]

Maybe tying it to the compound the bounty is in would help.

[unborn smelt]

And yes its not perfect in every scenario - but the scenarios where it helps with camping would greatly outweigh the few where it doesnt because you cant burn the body

I mean how it'd work is open for debate.

[little carbon]

No doubt, i just think that with a bit of discussion we can come up with something that minimizes the downsides

[unborn smelt]

But if minimizing the downsides for the already advantaged party means sacroficing much of its usefulness i'm not for it.

People go all gloory active playstyle, fuck campers and all that shid but the second the advantaged team is expected to do something they dont wanna see it and potentially losse free kills

Thats the issue with the typical "Not enougj downsides / its meant to be punishing" stance about it that i have

As of now loosing HP is basically a death sentence for the rest of the game as long ammo, which is the most common as of last time we got shared such info, performs like a slug sniper

[little carbon]

I agree.
That's why I am not against a way to regain burnt HP. Just think it should not be stealthy.

[unborn smelt]

Oh it shouldnt be stealthy by default

But i think therw should be a stealthy option - if inconvenient enough

[little carbon]

Why? I'd really like to know

[unborn smelt]

Because announcing to everyone that you regain HP now is still very dangerous

And i feel like its the lazy way to say i got info once it'll stay true for the rest of the game and if something changes i'm notified without doing anything for it

[little carbon]

I wouldnt agree with "without doing anything for it". The tell for regaining HP can be something you have to actively look out for

I dont think it should be as "in your face" as a banish is

It absolutely can be subtle. But there should be a way to tell. Kinda fits Hunt's general design. Everything you do gives info (mostly audio) in varying levels.

[unborn smelt]

Sry had to deal with smth real quick

[little carbon]

No worries

[unborn smelt]

O just think that it shouldnt be so stealthy that you have no chance to know whats going on

[keen bolt]

New Special ammo?

[unborn smelt]

But at the same time if they dont make an effort to find out if your regaining HP you should be able to do it without them noticihng

[little carbon]

Yes, agreed

Question is. Should that mechanic at least be somewhat tied to the objective

Or exist anywhere

[unborn smelt]

For example one way would be there is set altard in marked locations on the map - that allow you to spawn an optional Boss

This way fighting the Boss can be loud - or done silent if you bring proper equippment
And since the locations are marked for everyone they can be checked by the pursuers, or even trapped with alerts that give away when the fighting starts

[little carbon]

Hmm, that could work, but it would be in favour of the team outside. (Not saying that is necessarily bad)

[unborn smelt]

Yeah it would be to a degree

[little carbon]

I am guessing that boss wouldnt give a bounty?

[unborn smelt]

I'm not a fan of peeps just camping inside either

[unborn smelt]

I'd have said no - just spawn it and banishing restores 25 or max 50

But hey it could also grant some money

But then it maight get a secondary objective that draws away from the primary

[little carbon]

Maybe rather xp then money, the banish could also be shorter then a full banish

[unborn smelt]

Yes smth like that

As long as summoning isnt announced to the whole map - banishing could be

This way you'd know someone got HP back - but not who

[keen bolt]

Nah I think it really should announce it but gave 50 HP and not announcing who banished it

[little carbon]

Maybe not even with a pop up. Just have there be lightning in darksight and on the map. That way people have to remember to check

[keen bolt]

Oh

Man gauntlet fight is gonna drag out so much XD

[unborn smelt]

If you announce the summoning its a death sentence

And removes the ability to do it stealthily

[keen bolt]

Or lighting strike could work -

Periodically

And can be seen in naked eyes

But no announcement

While the banish is taking place

[unborn smelt]

My intent is that it can be done stealthily - if youre very careful or got the right rquippment

[keen bolt]

Yeah I know but like when should they regain HP?

Picking up the 'bounty' or when banishing if

It*

[unborn smelt]

Thats up for debate

[keen bolt]

I think the pick up would be more sensible - like you're absorbing their power

To grant you life

[little carbon]

Could say 25 each at beginning middle and end of banishment

[unborn smelt]

Id say no bounty tokrenbut regain HP after a short banish

[little carbon]

To all players in range

with like a 90 seconds banishment

[keen bolt]

Or the team that banish it

[unborn smelt]

This way they can stealth by the fighting process - but theres a short banishing headsup

For the pursuers

[keen bolt]

This

[little carbon]

Exactly

[keen bolt]

Basically if they follow they will still have a chance

To kill the injured team

Before banish completed

[little carbon]

And even if they only take 25 and leave, the banish will be visible for 90s

[keen bolt]

Well that could also work

[unborn smelt]

Yes - i want both teams to have a good shot at it if they are active enough

[keen bolt]

Tbh it will be more incentive to burn bodies now if this ever got implemented 😂

[unborn smelt]

Everyone burns anyway

At leats where i play

[little carbon]

While this idea is pretty good for fights outside, what can be done for teams 'stuck' inside a building with an outside team that refuses to anything even if they are up bars

Or is that just tough luck

[keen bolt]

Tbh most of the time if it's camp situation

I prefer to be the one outside

[little carbon]

Actually, 60s and 25 after each 30s

[unborn smelt]

Not sure...
Maybe tough luck...
Or i like the idea of having a consumable that temporarily gives you HP back.

Like take a shot that gives you say 50 temp HP to a max of 150 hp.

But that only stays at 150 for 30 sec and then degrades back to your actual HP over say 60 sec

And extra downside could be youre visible in DS because it some weird vodoo stuff

So thee other team has a chance of knowing about it

[little carbon]

Fair. I think that could work

[unborn smelt]

This way it'd be a window of opportunity without being a magical consequences b-gone button

[little carbon]

I like that it will only benefit you if you actually follow up. Its not use and get value, it just enables a play

[unborn smelt]

Alrighty imma be gone for a short while tho - was a nice chat and have a wonderful time

[little carbon]

You too! Was a really fun discussion, thanks!

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Hunt should add another game mode. Dont get me wrong i love bounty hunt and the way it plays there isnt another game like it but another game mode outside of quick play would be fun and bring more to the table. Any ideas?```

[loud adder]

What do you all think about adding another game mode to hunt showdown?

[keen bolt]

Not a bad purpose

[unborn smelt]

I'd be a fan of limited time gamemodes like for events

[keen bolt]

Except we really don't have the player base for it xd

[unborn smelt]

Doesnt need to be a full new gamemode either

Some tweaks to existing ones

Heck i'd love to see a CoD infected inspired gamemode...

Give peeps some predetermined loadouts and make 1-2 respawning corrupted hunters tryibg to corrupt the others with melee and throwable stuff

Maybe for a halloween event

As twist on QP

[loud adder]

Having another game mode might help add to growing the "player base"

Im not sure what the game mode would be but maybe like a capture the flag or a 10v10 "battle of the bayou "

[signal mural]

Unnecessary. The player base isn't that strong and changing the type of game that Hunt is could just split the player base into factions.

I suggested one new game-mode (something of a hybrid between Bounty and QP) but most people seem against the idea.

I can get why some people would be against it. There is a lot of other quintessential stuff that could be improved before considering another game-mode, like server stability, framerates & Steam overlay compatibility, draw distances, graphical restoration and etc

[sick anvil]

plenty of possibilities for game modes but currently priority should be fix server sided issue get rid of bugs not patch fix remove the root cause optimize the game so it runs smooth . fix the map terrains and fix objects collision boxes

[spice topaz]

I could steal the idea others had and offer an event game mode of pre 1.3. That would offer a chance to see how far the game has come and which directions have been the correct ones.

[sick anvil]

if they could recompile 1.3 they could fix a ton of bugs i doubt they do have the data for it

most live service games do not

[spice topaz]

Yeah, it was just a fun idea

[sick anvil]

if it be possible i would be 100% for it

[signal mural]

Are the devs and mods able and/or encouraged to vote on Community Feedback or is it just the game community?

[queen jungle]

Mods are free to vote on suggestions, we're players of the game like anybody else

[loud adder]

I agree they do need better servers and to fix all the issues that reside in the game now that would be a priority. Just my opinion it would be beneficial if another game mode was added . I think an all out war would be very fun even if they only run it in events. Two teams just going at it head to head

Anything is possible just need enough people pressing the issue

[signal mural]

@queen jungle Cool thanks that is what I thought

[queen jungle]

will be tough since there will always be bootlickers protecting it like an ancient relic no matter what.

[unborn smelt]

Dude can you show some respect ?
Nothing wrong with delivering well deserved critizism, but no need for talking down or insulting peeople.

[sick anvil]

@hybrid shuttle in which tab would that filter go .
Legendary tab legendary hunters and Arsenal tabs have that filter

[unborn dagger]

@topaz field I would suggest just making Spider have more predictable movement instead of just running around like a lunatic

[sick anvil]

but that is the fun about the spider it running like a lunatic

https://tenor.com/view/looney-tunes-bugs-bunny-crazy-gif-18958406

[dense fjord]

@signal mural I love your map explorer idea and the limited ai hunter would be cool too for practicing aim

Quest system
-24 hour manual refresh timer
-9 quest options accessible by anyone without paying real money
-realistic completion conditions that might occur naturally over the course of 1-2 games maybe (enemy type and/or weapon based)
-each quest gives its own individual reward choice between tiered weapon or hunt dollars and is greyed out completed after being completed. Then you pick another to fill it’s slot. Or all 9 slots are active at all times.
-1 week random reward for enough quests completed (18-27 maybe) for people who cannot afford the time to grind with rewards being worthwhile and usable by most people (a tier 2-3 shotgun with random custom ammo or tier 3 long ammo bolt action rifle with random custom ammo or 1,000 hunt dollars)
-quest goals achievable by casual players who may only play 1-3 days a week for few total hours: examples- kill 8 hellhounds, kill 4 hives, kill 4 immolators, kill 40 grunts, wipe a duo, collect 3 clues in one game, collect 9 clues, banish a boss 4 times, get a hunter to level 50, revive downed teammates 2 times, kill a hunter with Romero hand cannon, kill a hunter with martini Henry, kill a hunter with bomb lance, kill a hunter with Springfield, kill a hunter through cover, headshot a hunter, burn a hunter out, kill a hunter with throwing axe,
Kill 3 hunters in one game, kill a hive with throwing knives, kill 12 meatheads, kill 5 meatheads in one game,

First draft but I’ve been thinking about the quest system for awhile now

The first iteration that went live is more of a framework than anything that should stay around for too long of course

Even with its glaring issues and seemingly snail like development at times Hunt showdown is my favorite video game/concept since I found it.

[fading zephyr]

Easy Anti Cheat is garbage

[sacred sparrow]

I guess the game got the anti-cheat it deserves then 😄

[karmic ivy]

I see less cheats here than I did in Rust, that says a lot, I think Rust used battleeye if I recall

[sacred sparrow]

For all the shit going on in the game: the amount of cheaters is pretty low

[crystal plume]

Rust also uses easy anti cheat, and so does a lot of other bigger game companies

It's far from garbage

[karmic ivy]

oh ok, I got that mixed up.

I have used both and don't think of either of them as bad. I consider them equally good at what they do.

[wind quest]

its weird sometimes i had packet loss whenever im inside a boss lair/compound and once outside its back to normal (0 PL)

[true hearth]

@crystal plume can any of the admins fix my post in #game-ideas ? The bot derped out and forgot to add the thumbs up emoji 👍

Just realized I can post this in mod-mail. Apologies for the tag.

[unborn smelt]

Reactions are there for me

[true hearth]

Restarting discord displays it for me

all good 👍

[dense fjord]

Incendiary medium ammo was a mistake

I bet it has like 0% pick rate except for content creators covering it in a video

Should have been dum dum across the board for medium ammo

Poison ammo on centennial too

It’s bad, variety is fun but it feels like it’s for the sake of variety on that gun but another ammo type would make more sense

Idk poison ammo seems pretty bad and especially not worth on centennial

[vale cedar]

why's incendiary bad?

[unreal laurel]

Penetration with medium ammo can make a pretty big difference in a lot of situations and the tracers can also matter a lot

It's good on Bornheim Match since you're not trying to pen any cover with that usually anyways

[vale cedar]

when you wallbang something

does your bullet lose power

or is it full power

[unreal laurel]

Yes

[vale cedar]

ah ok

[unreal laurel]

Silenced Vetterli with incen makes PvE better but sacrificing a full 3 slot rifle for PvE is a rough sell

Just bring a Nagant silenced with poison

Also FMJ basically doubles the range that bullets do max damage

Which makes a big deal

Bornheim Match is the only gun you see use incen because it's often a 3 shot anyways so you'll light them in fire with two hits

[vale cedar]

what about winfield

the 1873 one

[unreal laurel]

And also in a game where soft cover is as important as it is having tracers can really make it a lot easier for you to get spotted

Does Centennial have incen? I don't even know

Oh the full size Winfield does right

Idk you never see it ran

FMJ and HV are just way more useful

[vale cedar]

i see

[unreal laurel]

You actually often will try to pen with the full sized Winfield since you can afford to shoot more due to the large capacity

Personally I don't care about the pen loss I just think the tracers are such a big downside

[vale cedar]

i just use incendiary because its funny seeing people panic on fire

when ur at like 5 meter where being spotted doesnt matter

[unreal laurel]

Yee

Again that's why they're useful on Bornheim lol

Try this loadout

Bornheim Match Incen with dual Lemat incen

Gives you like 64 incen rounds to work with

[vale cedar]

ive done bornheim with incendiary a lot

its very funny

what do u think about dragon breathe

[unreal laurel]

It's good on Romero since you can also bring another ammo type

But that's about it

[vale cedar]

fair enough

[unreal laurel]

For other shotguns you're completely relying on it which can cost you kills

[vale cedar]

my longest winstreak was with specter dragon breathe

it'd kill at super close range and otherwise it would make them panic like crazy

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[digital nacelle]

@proud helm why would anyone purchase this trait?

[proud helm]

So when you run 2 weapons and one is just for the spare ammo you dont have to shoot it all and find an ammo box

AKA Long gun + Duel Uppercut, Avto would be the most common but I use the Martini Explosive and run Uppercuts as backup with explosive just for the spare ammo.

The alternative is a trait that lets you unload your weapons manually, but that might be a chore and you'd probably need to bind a new key for it altogether

[late wind]

Honestly sounds like you want an ammo crate without having to commit to running an ammo crate.

[dense fjord]

Rn people just shoot the reserve guns empty

That’s what he’s trying to get around

Through trait investment

[digital nacelle]

smart! I hadn’t thought of that.

[proud helm]

It's for the sake of noise too, because I'd like to have empty pistols without needing to tell nearby spawns where I am :')

[keen bolt]

Btw

Here's lemat 'carbine' idea

Yeah ofc

[grand rivet]

FUCK HUNT SHOWDOWN WITH THIS SHITTY ASS FUCKING SHOTTY DSYNC SHIT. WHY CANT U FIX ANYTHING IN THE GAME. OH HEY BTW THE RPMERO BUG IS STILL IN THE GAME, ITS BEEN IN THE GAME FOR 6 MONTHS NOW, THANKS- BAKEDDRJ

[vale cedar]

i love the lemat carbine idea

lemat is one of my fav sidearms

i rarely see it used

[keen bolt]

Cause usually shotgun barrel is a meme

[vale cedar]

its useful if ur literally 2 meter away

past that its kinda useless

[keen bolt]

Yup

That's why it's a meme xd

It works when people don't expect it

[vale cedar]

yeah

just earlier i got 2 kills with it

dual wield lemat

[keen bolt]

Dual lemat is usable

Especially fmj

But shotgun works also

Because you have 2 chances

But tbh I wouldn't trust a lemat shotgun to defend my life

It's 50/50

[vale cedar]

i do it for the laughs

[keen bolt]

With slug it's another thing thi

[vale cedar]

earlier that game i hit a guy 2x with it

it didn't kill him

and i died for it

[keen bolt]

But it's funny you spend 300$ on a sidearm

[vale cedar]

i never had issues with money so i just spend it on whatever

[keen bolt]

Lemat with slug is a great surprise tool

[vale cedar]

it seems nasty as fuck

i'll try it out

[keen bolt]

They thought they could rush you and then roll over cause 10m slug

[vale cedar]

when i unlock them

[keen bolt]

How do I know?

I was the saber guy trying to kill him

And got 1 tapped by a slug

On a lemat

Yeah 🤣 I figured his primary was mosin

I expect at best a dolch

And then I just got 1 tapped

[vale cedar]

slugs seems kinda bullshit tbh

[keen bolt]

Well I mean if they never nerfed the Flechette

[vale cedar]

what's up with flechette?

[keen bolt]

Noone would be hating on the slug as much

[keen bolt]

So you aren't there when it dropped

[vale cedar]

i kinda played the game on and off

i played before special ammos were a thing

[keen bolt]

Flechette goes for like 80m

[vale cedar]

wtf

[keen bolt]

50m is 2 tap range

Also bleed

[vale cedar]

wait is it still the same right now?

the 50 meter flechette thing?

[keen bolt]

nope

It's crappy now

[vale cedar]

ah ok

[keen bolt]

Even hornet can't get more than 8 min of clips

So yes

The Flechette nerf was justified

Cause I'd argue Specter is the best shotgun when flech snipe was a thing

Legit op

Noone even cared about slug when flech was op lol

[vale cedar]

i see

[keen bolt]

Basically it goes - Slug just eliminate rng so what? It still require aim at close range... But there's flech that allow me to 2 tap people at rifle range + bleed

Yeahhhh

And also

It makes your shotgun have aim hack

The aim point is so small it's legit laser

[vale cedar]

yeah seemed broken

what about flare rounds

that sounds like some meme shit

starshell rounds

is it possible to kill people with it

[burnt mulch]

you can, but it only does 25 damage lol. it's absolutely meme shit

it's not even quiet enough to use as a flare gun

actually I'm not even sure if it does actual damage

ok I have confirmed that starshell deals 1 damage and 25 burn damage

[vale cedar]

thats worthless

[keen bolt]

Well apparently the YouTuber I watch get kills by using it

But not exactly by using the flare

[burnt mulch]

lemme guess, sparks shenannigans

[keen bolt]

Nah

Double romero with flares

All flares

[vale cedar]

he wack them in the head with the gun and then finishes them off with the flare?

[keen bolt]

Nah shooting the enemy and burn him

[vale cedar]

devilish

[keen bolt]

And finish him off while he panicks

[vale cedar]

it feels so bad when ur burning

[keen bolt]

Dude lost 50 HP bar lmao

And burn damage took some

Then got 1 tapped by derringer

1st dude got burned and whacked to death

It was a funny challenge we kinda give to him but surprised he finish it by 2nd round

[vale cedar]

feels like flares should burn you more tbh

[prime ibex]

You're immediately put on intense burning by it though.

[keen bolt]

Yup

Intense burning took quite a while to put out

[keen bolt]

https://youtu.be/LQGGyRRhzck

Here's the thing when it's out

[vale cedar]

thanks

[keen bolt]

As you can see ... pretty strong

[thorny ivy]

@prime ibex like it seems like the grenade version of the wire trap

[signal mural]

There's already a carcentina bomb & tripwire. Both highly effective near hive barrels.

[wispy folio]

Anyone else is concerned about the complete lack of content this year? Its already been half a year and all we've got thats real new content is 2 new guns and a lame grindfest quest rework. Seems all the resources got diverted to Crysis 4.

[prime ibex]

More concerned about quality over quantity.

[sick anvil]

The constant push for new content has put the game in the current state . Performance issue old bugs resurfacing in even worse iterations.
Server sided issues . Its obvious that the foundation of the game is not solid enough to handle adding new things . as simple as possible a a new gun has created bug that put players at a disadvantage . bertier crouch animation .
Pushing for new content is digging a deeper hole for the game and making the mountain of things that have to fixed

[prime ibex]

Servers definitely are unstable half the time.

[wispy folio]

Ah so lets not put out any new content in a live service game (lmao) and just keep using the good old bugs excuse for it. Spoiler alert, there will always be bugs and if performance hasnt been improved in 4 years i highly doubt it will suddenly be improved now.

[wispy folio]

Servers will never be fixed because crytek wants to use weblease servers. This has nothing to do with the lack of new content.

[sick anvil]

So you say instead of fixing things lest put new useless crap in the game until it is literally unpliable on any PC ?

That is a great live service

[wispy folio]

No i'd say do both. And no Hunt isnt unplayable stop being dramatic.

[prime ibex]

They are trying to work on both.

[sick anvil]

Some one hurt your feelings ? to be so on the offensive ?

[prime ibex]

Priorities sometimes override others, and rn the servers are more unstable than usual and at almost the same time they're making more content happen.

[wispy folio]

How did i offend you? You're the one saying Hunt is unplayable which is untrue\

[queen jungle]

@unborn smelt Dude, are we supposed to be showing respect to people like this? ^^^
Nothing wrong with protecting the developers, but no need to protecting like this.

[wispy folio]

I'll say it one last time: Servers have been an issue since 2018 and it wont change as long as Crytek uses the crappy WebLease servers. Nothing to do with the sad lack of content.

[prime ibex]

No shit. Even then, they still try.

[sick anvil]

Being on the offensive and Offending some one is not the same ting .
Offending some one is using profanity or using clinical diagnoses other demeaning terms .
Being on the offensive is overzealously trying to discredit a statement being argumentative .

[prime ibex]

In the next month or 2, they'll probably add their next boss or new set of weaponry, ain't the end of the world to have some patience.

[sick anvil]

Its obvious you can not have a civil conversation and only see your point of view.
So i am out

[unborn smelt]

Yes you are. You're supposed to stay respectful to everybody - period.

[ruby magnet]

May I pitch an idea for the centennial?

HV ammo or dumdum?

[sick anvil]

Dumdum would be interesting ,
HV i think cent is already one of the guns with the highest velo in game

[ruby magnet]

why not pump it up even more? double dip it. it's not like you're gonna do damage with the damage dropoff medium ammo has in the first place

[sick anvil]

was cent not shooting 45-70 ?

[ruby magnet]

just curious though

I dont know it's real life statistics

but for game balance liberties are taken I suppose

though... what I do notice with the recent additions, guns are brought out as a... lets say... middleground between variants

[sick anvil]

45-75win

[ruby magnet]

looking at Slate, scottfield, berthier, etc

why not make a gun be particularily good at one thing, like absolutely good.

arguably the sparks is a prime example

so is the romero of the shotgun class

[sick anvil]

On occasion I play cent .
And playing it I do not feel like its particularly bad gun ,
I do not get the constant chase for higher velocity guns.
Dum dum i can get behind but i would honestly like the cent get a bigger reserve ammo pool

[ruby magnet]

I normally dont care for higher velocity, but I do start to lean more towards guns having their own identity.
And I'm a sucker for odd guns.

Odd like the terminus, odd like the lemat, odd like the martini henry

but making a gun incredibly high in velocity, but mediocre in others... is something that makes it odd.

And I'm of the opinion that special ammo kinda takes the oddity out of these aspects.

And saying special ammo is hard to resupply... It's hardER than normal ammo, but still plentiful imo. You want a better centennial with the same velocity? just run vetterli high velo

[sick anvil]

If am fully honest HV ammo is utter bulshit

[ruby magnet]

Its implementation and its supposed 'drawback'? totally agree.
The idea... not bad in concept.

[sick anvil]

The implementation we are still in black powder era ,
meaning faster burning propellant would grenade the action of most guns that use HV ammo. adding more black powder just creates a big old poof and fire ball at the end of the barrel changing pretty much nothing .
Making the bullet lighter to get that extra speed out of it been used but in the game it only changes one thing you have to not lead your shots

but go ahead suggest it i am not gonna vote

[signal mural]

The suggestions for Rain or Snow weather sounds cool but the implications for realism & game consistency are difficult. Snow versions of the maps would be an extreme overhaul... but imagine temporary footprints &/or blood trails from bleeding Hunters being left in the snow (badass but extremely complicated). Also I think only light rain could work otherwise: How should Immolaters work? Do more Water-Devils appear? Only waxed varients of explosives would work or explosives would only work when thrown inside a building...

[vale cedar]

that seems amazing

you would have to adapt and the entire world rules would change

immolaters wouldn't spawn

[signal mural]

Ha! Maybe have a cold-version... Frost-biten demon with fire as a weakness instead of poison/choke. They could do similar damage and a cold nova upon regular bullet or blungeon damage but gives a slow as if caught in carcentina barbs and burn-health from frostbite cold damage.

[vale cedar]

yeah that's a way to do it

[sacred sparrow]

lol, that's a nickname if i ever saw one

[opaque wagon]

Are there any plans for custom lobbies? I know it was supposed to be on a roadmap forever ago, but I've heard/seen anything about it

[unborn smelt]

@maiden pewter Just fyi, you dont need to finish the DLC missions to get the 30 stars for the weekly

You can repeat some of the other missions too

[maiden pewter]

That dose not matter you lose blood marks and if you wanna complete all cuz you cant leave it alone you have to buy the DLC

Look i am a player i want to Finish all cuz otherwise i feel bad if i go Prestige i only go if i unlocked all weapons and all the other stuff otherwise it would be feeling unfinished the same is it with Missions if i did not finish all it trigger me hard. I dont mean that bad i love this game but something like that makes me sad just to the misson for all Bows or let the system check what skins you have ^^

[unborn smelt]

Well that deoends on how you look at it - if you take the 5BB's the mission rewards for granted yes, but you an also look at it in the way of you get the chance to get nore BB's for having bought DLC, just as you'd get if you buy em directly.

And they propably award BB's not weapons or money is so it can't be P2W, because it only allows earnibg more cosmetics

But i agree that i dont like those missions being there.

Just wanted to let you know - because quite a few dont know you can repeat the others

[maiden pewter]

I know you can get the 25bb for doing all missions exept for 1 but it just feels bad i did not wanna that others think i would not like that game i just was mad ^^ Sorry if it looked like

[unborn smelt]

Hey no issue

[crystal plume]

You don't need to even doo all other missions, you can redo any mission for the marks as many times as you want

[unborn smelt]

Critizism is all fair game - i just didnt know if or if you dont know about the repeating of mission

[maiden pewter]

Like i sayed i would change the mission to normal bow or a weapon skin thats in your inventory ^^

[signal mural]

I put up a suggestion addressing this. I think the Skins required should be temporarily free-to-use (at normal Hunt Dollar price) for that week's Summoning.

[crystal plume]

You can redo a 1 mark summon 30 times or do a 5 mark summon 6 times, up to you

[unborn smelt]

Sure one can - but its fair criticism to say one doesnt like the DLC missions

[maiden pewter]

Thats not the point i just talk about my Autism to finish all up. its just my ego talking here cuz its unfinished buisness ^^

[crystal plume]

I just wanted to specify since you made it sound like you have to do all other summons to get the weekly 25BBs

[signal mural]

It is difficult to program since the Summons are individualized but not impossible. What I would like to avoid is the final Summon being static across the community... The last time thing I want to see is everyone running around using the same skin just for 5BBs

[unborn smelt]

While they did a very good job of them being no real issue for gameplay through P2W or the like.
They can fedl kind of intrusive, and just rob peeps the wrong way

[maiden pewter]

Nah i was in a game so did not have time to think what i have to say cuz i am a german guy my english takes a little of time to sound right ^^ I am so sorry about that

[signal mural]

Isn't there a German forum? Crytek is a German developer? No judgement - good on you for addressing it here too.

[maiden pewter]

I dont know some times if i read missions on german (old missions with dayli and Weekly) it soundet like Google Translater and was completly not unterstandebale xD

[signal mural]

Oh. Yeah they are based in Frankfurt but who knows the Dev team is probably really diverse.

[maiden pewter]

I dont know ^^ I just played the game without looking where the devs are i do that in realy rare cases ^^ But i have to say on the old support site there german was pretty good ^^ (sorry if i type anything wrong but i sayed english is not my main ^^ and i just know it from games ^^)

[signal mural]

Hey Mods, do you guys get compensated for being Discord moderators? (Sorry, off-topic question but I would look into it myself if it sensible)

@maiden pewter All good, your English is just fine. Not native but clear enough to understand.

[maiden pewter]

That i nice to hear. So i will be AFK now thanks for the talk guys ^^

[crystal plume]

We're volunteers

[signal mural]

So... Zero incentive other than your love of the game? No free DLC for your efforts :P

[crystal plume]

We do get DLCs yeah

[signal mural]

Cool- I think cultivating & maintaining a positive & respectful community and promoting constructive criticism helps keep the game alive. So glad you all get something for it.

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[ionic kayak]

Asian servers are full of pre-match teaming. I killed one member of a duo 3 minutes in (spawn at the same compound), and his teammate literally called the other team to come and help from another compound.

[signal mural]

@undone vapor The problem I have with your looting hunters for ammo suggestion is in the unlikely scenario of being revived and screwed with a dry weapon. It is bad enough when enemy Hunters take your gun and leave you theirs with the last few bullets but to make it a feature that is a pretty big disadvantage. Making a comeback is hard enough and there is usually plenty of ammo around, if not you could always bring the ammo box.

[undone vapor]

oh, i mean i actually dont often run into ammo problem, barely happens but i just thought it could be a nice addition.
yeah i do agree with having dry ammo situation though

[dense sapphire]

@queen jungle (RIC Snubnose)
Uh, isn't this more or less the spitfire?

[half stag]

the sptifire has a 5 inch barrel, snubnose models have a 4 inch or less barrel length

[dense sapphire]

@true hearth (Buff Sticky)
I agree with you and have been advocating this for awhile but it's never gotten much traction sadly.

[dense sapphire]

-_-

You wanted a short barrel, fast firing medium ammo revolver

That's exactly what the spitfire is

[half stag]

lmao, I thought the same too, and someone went "It'S NoT a SnUbNose", going off the textbook definition

though it might fit better as a tool imo, as an alternative to the derringer (make it not medium ammo of course)

[dense sapphire]

dolch go pew

[queen jungle]

spitfire cring

[dense sapphire]

no u

[queen jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dust-spiderman-iron-man-avengers-infinity-war-gif-14825956

I think it can be different from the Spitfire tho

115 damage up close, but beyond whatever range medium ammo starts losing damage it drops off like a ROCK

Like -5 damage per meter or sum shit

[dense sapphire]

Sure, it can be different from the spitfire, but we already have a lot of fast firing pistols; spitfire, officer, new army, dolch, bornheim

We really don't need more right now

[pearl badger]

Matchmaking this lopsided should not happen. I would much rather wait for a fair match than lose a lvl 50 hunter to this bullshit.

Both 6 stars had a KD of 3.3+ and each had over 3 million bounty collected.

In other words, they both had probably 4-5000 hours in the game.

[dense sapphire]

You did not have skill based on

Enabling skill based doesn't entirely fix the issue but you physically can't be in a match with another team with more than a 1 star difference.

[pearl badger]

I do have skill based on. I have never turned it off, and I checked after that match to make sure it was enabled.

[dense sapphire]

Were you party leader?

[pearl badger]

Yes.

[dense sapphire]

That shouldn't have happened then, I don't know why it did

[pearl badger]

My teammates don't even have each other added as friends lol.

Slightly relevant, I found out that the one dude was streaming and the fight is in his twitch vods lol. https://www.twitch.tv/forcelikeobi/v/1311080000?sr=a&t=18866s

Timestamp is shortly before I shoot at the first one with my bow lol.

[queen jungle]

@unborn smelt can ya add reactions here pls :))

#game-ideas message

[late wind]

Unless DA revolvers start behaving like DA revolvers, and not just better semi autos, I really don't want to see any more of them.

[vale cedar]

what do you mean?

they don't work like double action revolvers?

[late wind]

They fire the exact moment the input is pressed. Unlike real DA revolvers where the trigger must perform three actions before firing. It has to annex the cylinder, cock the hammer, and finally release it.

There's a delay between how long it takes you to pull the trigger, and when the gun fires. At least with revolvers in real life.

In Hunt, you click button; gun go bang.

[vale cedar]

oh

[burnt mulch]

@dense sapphire repost ur suggestion, bot broke

[dense sapphire]

thx

[half stag]

@dense sapphire imo only slugs and maybe high velocity aren't sidegrades, the rest of the custom ammo is fine in terms of sidegrades. The main problem is certain mechanics or weapons being able to override the downsides of custom ammo (fmj's slow m/s and special ammo downside not mattering if you run dual wielding)

or nitro dum dum being able to pen cuz nitro things

[dense sapphire]

In those cases they aren't sidegrades, they're upgrades

[hexed whale]

slugs are busted af high vo is whatever because it doesnt really change effective range.

[dense sapphire]

FMJ is pretty much a straight upgrade on every gun that uses it except sparks and centennial

[half stag]

agreed

[half stag]

imo, the m/s can matter at some ranges, it prevents people who can't get used to the velocity from using it, or if the velocity becomes abysmally low (ie silencers and the new army). but otherwise, I think it's fine (minus the state of it combined with dualies). If they really wanted to adjust fmj, they should make the pen only go up a tier (compact -> medium, medium -> long, long -> nitro). They aren't going to remove the dmg dropoff aspect of the ammo type cuz without it, no one will bring it (they buffed it to have that advantage when they saw the almost 0% usage rates, even if it had high pen).

[dense sapphire]

Btw, my question was "should custom ammo be a sidegrade," not whether or not they are

[half stag]

"The original intent of custom ammo was for it to be a sidegrade. However, this intent has not been met for a lot of custom ammo types (cough slugs)."

I personally think that there should be no changes, with the exception of slugs

as most of them already achieve the goal of being a "sidegrade"

the bigger issue is mechanics that circumvent their downsides

so personally, its not a custom ammo issue in my eyes

[dense sapphire]

Here's the baseline question: is some custom ammo types being upgrades ok

[karmic ivy]

I like what they have going right now, so thats a yes for me.

[half stag]

yes and no. For the yes, as an example, high velocity is an upgrade on paper but there is the every ensuing downside of being special ammo, meaning that if players put in the time to learn the base ammo, the base ammo is an upgrade as you don't need to scrounge for ammo nor worry about it every getting low. And with the fact that high velocity doesn't increase effective range, it just seems like an ammo type that you bring to "immediately use a gun that you cannot be bothered learning and if you still miss, you are worse off than running a gun you were comfortable with." As a result, custom ammo can increase weapon variety by easing people into learning how to use certain weapons that they otherwise would not have touched. Regrading no, certain custom ammo types, ie fmj and slugs, are not okay being upgrades in certain weapons or mechanics (fmj dual wielding, or nitro dum dum) and within those cases, they should be adjusted individually as they break the main downsides or render every other ammo type available to them inferior (ie slugs). However, I do not believe that they warrant a immediate/future change due to their niche cases, with the only exception being slugs, as they make every other ammo type inferior in shotguns (which is the only case where I can definitively say a no). As long as all the other ammo types have a point in being picked, then it is fine that some custom ammo types can be "upgrades."

[woeful jacinth]

is anyone else a little frustrated about how disorganized and cluttered the main menu UI is

[half stag]

its always been like that since launch, doesn't help that they keep changing stuff around without listing them in the patch notes (last match tab moved to the lobby tab). I dont understand how they regressed in UI design from early access days and just have everything on screen at once, rather than have ten million tabs within tabs. This was the UI from early access btw

[woeful jacinth]

Yeah I remember Early Access. It makes sense since theyve added alot to the game since then, but its very disorganized and definitely calls for an overhaul

[sand citrus]

Poison Trap + Concertina Trap = Insta Kill is a horrible idea. Please remove this from the game.

[misty loom]

@sand citrusit's not instakill, but it's close. You CAN bandage it before it kills you, but only if you basically saw it coming. You only get 2x of those traps in your loadout, so it's not like they can be spammed. it's one of my favourite things to do in the game. I got caught by it once.

Once.

[fluid locust]

The only good HUD changes they've made since early access was changing the guns to be colored. Used to be hard to tell difference between uppercut and regular conversion pistol before. And adding the ability to filter by favorites and search. Lot of the new stuff is just unneeded clutter and is a real eyesore.

Also kinda miss the old grim dark background. New one is too bright and cheery compared to that one.

[half stag]

the new one just sucks, it doesn't have even have a background, just an empty void

I love console downgrades lol

[digital nacelle]

FMJ is a straight upgrade on certain weapons

for example, the conversion

even when it's not dual wielded, it's very hard to tell the difference between 270 m/s and 300 m/s - but the difference in performance is massive

same goes for the scottfield (280 m/s --> 250 m/s), and lemat (300 m/s --> 270 m/s)

really pistols in general

[half stag]

not that it's a bad thing, better than seeing uppercuts every game imo

[digital nacelle]

uppercut should be nerfed too tbh

[half stag]

obviously, when something has a 40% + usage rate in general, something's up

[digital nacelle]

true

[half stag]

I would say it needs tweaks and something to compete in its role

I would suggest they nerf the ammo reserve cuz I hate how it acts as an ammo pouch for long rifles

that can go to the single shot long ammo 1-slot that's been constantly asked for

[vale cedar]

i think it should be medium ammo tbh

[unborn smelt]

@dense sapphire I think the, is custom ammo a sidegrade or upgrade debate often times boils down to players and devs saying the same words but meaning smth slightly diffrent by it, just like it happened with the QS debate.

Lets take slugs - they are by definition a sidegrade, you loose the ability to hipfire with the same accuracy as ADS, and the posdibility to desl chip dmg by a few pellets of the spread hitting with a near missed shot, and harder to resupply ammo.
In return you get an all or nothing shotgun blast, that deals full dmg or nothing.

[dense sapphire]

They are a side grade that function so well they perform better than the default

[unborn smelt]

While the latter is far more powerful then regular buckshot - so in a gameplay sense people perceive it as an upgrade - it is by definition a sidegrade

[dense sapphire]

Well do you happen to know which the devs are referring to?

[unborn smelt]

Yes - thats what i'm on about.
They are by definition a sidegrade, not a plain upgrade like you just get more dmg rest is the same.
And my guess is thats what the devs meant.

[dense sapphire]

Ok

But what do the players want

[unborn smelt]

I too wish they'd give slugs, hv and FMJ another balance pass

[dense sapphire]

Do they want custom ammo to be a side grade balance wise

[half stag]

slight problem with the "not a plain upgrade like get more dmg" is that slugs straight up increase one tap range over buckshot on some shotguns

[dense sapphire]

That’s the question I’m asking

[unborn smelt]

Yes in exchange for other downsides / mechanical changes

You cant just hipfire it accurately as you can buckshot anymore

And you get worse ammo resupply

[dense sapphire]

Is it ok for some custom ammo to be better than their default counterpart

[unborn smelt]

That by definition makes it a sidegrade - just one almost anyone is willing to take

[half stag]

not trying to dissuade the textbook definition of sidegrade, but like you said, in gameplay, they are perceived as an upgrade (though I think its more on the part of how inconsistent buckshot is more than anything)

in the people's mind, its better to straight up miss, than seemingly land a kill shot with buckshot and proceed to trade or not get the kill

[unborn smelt]

Thats what i mean - when i said devs and community say the same but mean slightly diffrent things

Sry wrong reply

[dense sapphire]

I’m not asking the devs

I’m asking players

[unborn smelt]

Was meant for prowlore

[dense sapphire]

What is the individual opinion of people

[half stag]

gotcha

[dense sapphire]

Ok

[unborn smelt]

I personally think yes its fine - but to a lesser degree than the 3 main ones rn

[dense sapphire]

Well there you go

[unborn smelt]

Altho i personally have no issue with slugs -other than me thinking they are the least fun implementation possible...

[dense sapphire]

I’m just trying to gauge public opinion

Since I see lots of rebalance suggestions…but do players even want them?

[unborn smelt]

But i'd love to see HV, FMJ and Shredder get another balance pass

[dense sapphire]

Also gets people thinking and discussing

[unborn smelt]

And possibly slugs a rework or balance pass too

[dense sapphire]

I actually like shredder

The nitro is a hard to use but very powerful gun

[half stag]

this is what I have to say about high velocity "(For why its okay for some ammo types to be "upgrades") As an example, high velocity is an upgrade on paper but there is the every ensuing downside of being special ammo, meaning that if players put in the time to learn the base ammo, the base ammo is an upgrade as you don't need to scrounge for ammo nor worry about it every getting low. And with the fact that high velocity doesn't increase effective range, it just seems like an ammo type that you bring to "immediately use a gun that you cannot be bothered learning and if you still miss, you are worse off than running a gun you were comfortable with." As a result, custom ammo can increase weapon variety by easing people into learning how to use certain weapons that they otherwise would not have touched."

FMJ though is tricky

[dense sapphire]

Yet with stock ammo, there are many circumstances where you hit your target within kill shot range and don’t kill

[unborn smelt]

HV also has downsides - very very minor ones tho

Increased recoil and muzzle flash

[dense sapphire]

Shredder reduces that inconsistency

[dense sapphire]

When the upsides majorly outweigh the downsides, it’s an upgrade

[unborn smelt]

To be honest - i just think body ohk fromm full hp on a rifle shouldnt be

Even less consistently to limbs

[dense sapphire]

Fair enough

[unborn smelt]

Feels dogshit to play against imo

[dense sapphire]

But when I’m using a high skill high reward gun, I want to actually be rewarded for using it right

Or I’d just use a winni that’s a 10th of the cost and just go for headshots

[unborn smelt]

Sure - but i dont like ohk on that masdive range at all. No matter if the gun has bad ironsights

[dense sapphire]

That’s fair

If the nitro was more prevalent, I’d probably dislike it too

[unborn smelt]

Which is really the nitros only - "high skill" aspect

[dense sapphire]

But since it’s not I have no issue with it

[unborn smelt]

Other than that its a 2 shot ohk Sparks

[dense sapphire]

Let’s be fair here

[fluid locust]

FMJ is definitely not a sidegrade on pistols at least

especially on conversion

[dense sapphire]

They’re REALLY bad sights

[half stag]

I wish they kept weapon swap speeds as an actual balance mechanic

[unborn smelt]

By definition it is - reduces ammo availability and MV

[dense sapphire]

Omfg

Rang

We’ve had this talk for like 30 minutes

[unborn smelt]

In a gameplay sense it plays like an upgrade 90% of the time

[fluid locust]

very minor downsides vs big upsides = not a sidegrade, by definition an upgrade

[half stag]

would be nice if the nitro had a terrible pull out and holster speed so you're punished if you miss and can't just quick swap to your sidearm

[dense sapphire]

You don’t gotta “uM tEcHnIcAlLy” everything my dude

[unborn smelt]

But by definition it'd s a sidegrade

[fluid locust]

"sidegrade" would mean it is something that trades an equal amount of downsides for upsides

[unborn smelt]

Well if they dont read it the first time i write it i kind of do

Thats my whole point

[dense sapphire]

We are talking about sidegrades from a balancing perspective

[unborn smelt]

What players deem upgrades and devs deem upgrades seem to be diffrent

[dense sapphire]

And from a balancing perspective, FMJ is almost always an upgrade

Yes

And the devs aren’t here

We aren’t talking about or with devs

[unborn smelt]

Well the Vustom ammo isnt supposed to be an upgrade comes from the devs

[dense sapphire]

Most players, when referring to side grades or upgrades, are referring to them from a balancing perspective, not from pulling up a dictionary

[unborn smelt]

And it sounds a lot like thats at least a reason for the discusdion too

[dense sapphire]

Devs (may or may not) be referring to sidegrades from a textbook perspective
The players here chatting are referring in terms of balance

Since the devs are not here, and that (potential) disconnect is not what we’re talking about, you don’t need to keep um technically’ing everyone

[unborn smelt]

As i said i'd wanna see extra downsides for
Fmj - reduced hipfire
Hv - maybe less ammo, loud if silenced if exceeds 343 m/s
Shredder - anything really, maybe no pen at all

[dense sapphire]

There we go

I get the HV and shredder downsides but does less hip fire on FMJ do much?

Is that a fanning/levering nerf

[unborn smelt]

Makes it super unappealing for dualies

[dense sapphire]

And that

[unborn smelt]

Because they cant ADS at all

And itd be worse for levering but you can still ads with levering or fanning if need be

[half stag]

I dont like indirectly nerfing other options just cuz one just neuters any downside of an ammo type (but I understand where you are coming from, what else can you do)

[dense sapphire]

That’d hurt FMJ but a main part of it is it’s supposed to be good for spamming walls

[unborn smelt]

I dont think its supposed to be for spamming walls

For penning walls yes - but you can also do so with precise shots rather than just spam

[dense sapphire]

They show a guy spamming through a wall in the official trailer

I think that shows some dev intent there

[half stag]

gonna have to agree with this, I mean why else would they have increased the dmg dropoff distance

[half stag]

there's something called marketing and cinematography

[dense sapphire]

Because nobody was using it

[half stag]

vs actual gameplay

[unborn smelt]

I think its mostly for allowing penetration of harder surfaces compact couldnt pen before

Like shoot the guy behind that metal sheet on a tower

[dense sapphire]

They literally displayed a guy spamming through a wall to kill someone in the trailer. That’s like saying “hey, FMJ can be used to effectively spam through walls”

[unborn smelt]

Its a trailer - its made to look cool

[dense sapphire]

It’s an ammo showcase

[unborn smelt]

You could still spam a wall

[dense sapphire]

Yes, but FMJ makes it more effective

And applicable to more walls

[unborn smelt]

The penning sure

[keen bolt]

Well imo - it should just have a downside

[dense sapphire]

I’d bet 50 bucks a significant reason as to why conversion got FMJ was just for chain pistol fanning

[keen bolt]

Besides just being harder to find

[unborn smelt]

Nothing says it cant have a downside to it too

You can now pen walls and some buildings you couldnt before

[keen bolt]

Cause even some ammo that has reduced pickup rate with strong enough effect it will be the staple still

[unborn smelt]

Better pray you hit tho

[dense sapphire]

I like the FMJ balance for the centennial

You lose a lot but gain a lot

[unborn smelt]

Well cent is pretty weak baseline so fmj doesnt make it too crazy

[dense sapphire]

Losing that 120 MS sucks but 480 is still solid. You also now have great penetration and better damage falloff.

[keen bolt]

I agree on the cent

It's not strong on cent

It's just ... alternatively useable

[half stag]

^

[dense sapphire]

I’d call it a…sidegrade 😄

[unborn smelt]

Well and it has 0 to do with spam...

[keen bolt]

Cent isn't a spam gun

[half stag]

a sidegrade, while vetterli sits in the corner and rakes in all the superior stats

and has fmj

[keen bolt]

Yup

[unborn smelt]

And on sparks and martini fmj is still pretty shit

[keen bolt]

Guess which special ammo I'm using in my loved gun

[unborn smelt]

And there hitting velocity even further would hurt pretty bad

[dense sapphire]

Just because one gun can’t spam with FMJ doesn’t mean that isn’t one of FMJ’s intended use cases.

[keen bolt]

Yeah I agree

Simple fix to fmj would be worse hipfire

[unborn smelt]

But hitting hipfire on cent / Sparks / Martini would not be a big deal

[keen bolt]

It just mean it can't spam wall

[unborn smelt]

While itd help with already disliked dualie fmj

[dense sapphire]

Welp, I’m outnumbered

[unborn smelt]

Still can

[keen bolt]

In these gun the hipfire is already not used much xd

Or the fmj in that matter

[unborn smelt]

Cam spam even thicker wall even

[dense sapphire]

You know

[unborn smelt]

Just not as precise anymore

[dense sapphire]

Alternatively

Could just buff default to be more in line with FMJ

Make standard damage falloff less and reduce the advantage FMJ gives

[keen bolt]

Well tbh fmj only gets the hate on spammy gun

[dense sapphire]

With power creep we’re already heading that way

[keen bolt]

So I think nerfing hipfire it would fix that

Easy fix tbh

Noone is complaining about being hit by cent fmj at 200m or something

[dense sapphire]

Conversion FMJ sees some flak for being a budget uppercut

[keen bolt]

Hah

It doesn't have uppercut strong suit

So Idgaf on them

[dense sapphire]

Got comparable two tap range

[keen bolt]

It can't 1 tap downed people

Which is why uppercut was Hated on

[unborn smelt]

But no 130 dmg

[fluid locust]

agreed. damage fall off is kinda shit on medium and compact.

[late wind]

Why not make special ammo actually hard to find instead? Every map is stuffed full of it.

I'd say it's okay if there was no guarantee you'd be able to find more. Expect to work with what you brought.

[fluid locust]

medium at the very minimum deserves 30m falloff instead of 20m

[dense sapphire]

True

Which is why uppercut is better

But conversion FMJ is also dirt cheap

[keen bolt]

I disagree with buffing compact ammo falloff even more

Tbh else long ammo just become useless

[unborn smelt]

I'd agree with that too

[dense sapphire]

you hear players jump for joy

[unborn smelt]

Make uwu box more rare and gib back smol uwu

[unborn smelt]

Will never happen

[dense sapphire]

That would just hurt some loadouts harder

Could jsut make some custom ammo reduce reserve

[keen bolt]

Why I don't hate long ammo - I would hate if Winfield suddenly 2 taps me at 50m and even further with fmj

For example

[late wind]

Make big uwu crates exceedingly rare. Robin's egg blue uwu boxes are rare, but more common than crates. Plus they give less ammo back. I'd love that.

[keen bolt]

That would make long ammo obsolete and Vetterli becomes meta

[dense sapphire]

I don’t hate long either

But a lot of people do

[unborn smelt]

Vetterlu might become very strong

But long wont ever be obsolete

[keen bolt]

No like long ammo is only a problem when you're facing a skilled player at +80m who hits most shots

[unborn smelt]

Peeps always said xyz will make long obsoletebut it never happened

[dense sapphire]

Heh

Remember the compact ammo buff

Lol