feedback-discussion

[crystal plume]

And I do often feel like people like to exaggerate things here, which isn't really an outrageous theory

[floral vapor]

Things have been going downhill. The bad has massively outweighed the good. Monetization consistently gets more predatory, major bugs from months and years ago still exist. Ledge collision has been brought up in YouTube videos from weeks after Hunt first dropped and it’s still an issue. Small patches have made the game borderline unplayable. I get that damage control is kind of your job but you can’t seriously believe that we have no reason to get upset.

[crystal plume]

It isn't my job

My opinions are my own

[floral vapor]

That changes nothing

[crystal plume]

Also it's curious how you are so knowledgeable about the state of the game and such with 32 hours into the game and being less thank rank 67, not trying to sound like an elitist or that you have no right to have an opinion with that little playtime but it does make me think twice how much I can trust your word with certain things with that amount of experience

[floral vapor]

I’ve followed this game’s development since its launch quite closely

I didn’t have a computer or connection beefy enough to run it until relatively recently, but I’ve been watching, reading, and certainly know more about the update history than most casual players. I’ve defended crytek in youtube comments and the steam forums before but I no longer see any reason to.

It’s telling that you pull that card, though.

[crystal plume]

I was just curious and checked it since I don't agree with your view of the current state of the game, the only major issue I've had recently was the hunter rendering issue which did also make me take a break from the game, and that was fixed in a week along with other fixes that may have been impactful to some players like fixing the revive sounds and such

They care about bugs and are working on fixing them, they also have artists who work on skins and such at the same time, which is required to create income to be able to develop the game and grow the team

As they are currently hiring a lot for hunt

[floral vapor]

The team size has barely expanded, we’ve gotten one new enemy type in recent memory, that was months ago. New grunt variants don’t exactly count for much.

[crystal plume]

They have a lot of open positions for the game currently

[floral vapor]

The content updates aren’t keeping up with the immense amount of DLC, nor are the patches, and gameplay features are still paid for by premium currency

[crystal plume]

And I wouldn't personally count new AI as a priority for my interest in the game, and I'm not the only one that shares that opinion from the veteran side of the players

[floral vapor]

There is plenty of reason to be upset

[crystal plume]

It's cool to get them, but they don't really bring me back into the game

I'm all about new guns and a new map every now and then

[native lodge]

I think thats a perfectly valid theory

[floral vapor]

Recent update history has given us practically nothing. We got an update to the summon system which directly incentivizes buying more DLC.

Some people are uncouth with their criticism but to claim there’s no problems at all is an insulting take.

[crystal plume]

I mean I genuinely doubt that anyone will go out of their way to get a DLC for the sake of 5BBs and 5 marks for the summons, especially when some of the legendary summons are extremely inefficient compared to any of the other summons

I haven't done either one of the legendary summons that I've had last week and this week

Even though I own every skin and DLC

I also don't claim that there's no problems at all

[normal horizon]

the summons will also be expanded to include bloodbonds based skins afaik

[floral vapor]

Oh boy cannae wait for the dogpile

[crystal plume]

I am saying that they are often exaggerated

Amount wise and problem wise

[native lodge]

fix multiple major bugs, helped many peoples fps (this patch still needs some work) continues to work on. fixing old QOL systems or adding new ones. to say practically nothing has been done could be seen as an insult if it made sense

like more works needs to be done

but to say nothing has been done is blatantly false

[crystal plume]

I've gotten more value from the map changes that they made in 1.8 than I have from the grunt variants, they have been great and stopped me from going "ugh this compound again"

[native lodge]

map changes have been super nice in most cases

I would like to see some weapon rebalancing

but game health takes priority imo

[crystal plume]

Yeah they also admitted on stream that the state some of the last couple updates were released were not ideal and that they want to do better

[sick anvil]

Multiverse is to complicated just go with instances organized in a 3 axis grid starting with coordinates 0,0,0 and every +1 in any coordinate is a copy of 0,0,0 repeating the same events with different outcomes

[queen jungle]

@queen jungle Please make sure to use #game-ideas for feature suggestions. Use #bug-reports-pc to report any bugs and issues you encounter while playing Hunt, so our QA team can take care of them.

[little carbon]

@floral vapor I'm not sure about your suggestion, while it probably wont hurt to change it, i dont think its necessary and definitely not as predatory as you make it sound. The respec doesnt really give you an advantage that you cant also get through spending Hunt Dollars if you desperately want it, since you can just repeatedly rehire legendary Hunters until you get something you want. (And anyone probably at least has one legendary Hunter through events or can buy a bb Hunter relatively easily, since you do get bloodbonds at a relatively decent rate still and for example night seer is only 300).
Yes, the respec does give you some quality of life here, but again, you can also respec using the bloodbonds you gained from playing.
And all in all you dont even need to respec, you can absolutely compete with random perks, as Hunt is pretty balanced, there is no clear gear victory, like in tarkov for example. Any gun will kill with a click to the head. So in the end the respec is mostly a convenience to choose your loadout every match instead of building a loadout to your perks

[karmic ivy]

I concur.

[fiery minnow]

Any thoughts on adding a steam achievement to go to each location on DeSalle like there is for Stillwater and Lawson? I uh... didn't realize there wasn't one for that map.

[dusty pendant]

Yeah Bloodbonds are literally free, you get so many from just playing the game. There's literally nothing predatory about their marketing whatsoever, lol.

[dusty pendant]

100% agree.
People just cope and whinge. Lot of vocal minority action going on, which honestly makes me feel bad for the developers who are very passionate about the game. Honestly, sometimes I feel like they should take a page from other games' books and just.. remove the feedback channels.

I feel the social media scene has a skewed population. People get angry, need somewhere to vent, join social medias(such as Discord, or Reddit ig), and scream. So the populace of the server I feel is skewed towards negativity. Which is not helpful or fun to see. A good portion of the feedback is people exaggerating or complaining about things the majority of the playerbase disagrees with, soo.. meh.
/rant lol

[fathom geyser]

@vocal storm depends on the ammo type

but all custom ammo requires special ammo boxes instead of normal ammo boxes (which are far more rare)

poison for example has 0 penetration power and lower damage

incendiary bullets have 0 penetration either and you can see the bullet flying through the air very well, giving away your position

each ammo comes with ups and downs

theyre alternatives, not upgrades

except for full metal jacket compact ammo. the downside is so minor compared to the upside that its pretty much always an upgrade

also, shotgun slugs are really strong and usually considered far better than normal buckshots

[fluid locust]

Sounds like China or North Korea would be a great place for you. Don't let the interlopers speak back against the narrative. Feedback exists for a reason. If you can't handle negative criticism go back into your safe space and pretend everything is alright lol.

[dusty pendant]

Revealing of you.

[fluid locust]

If there's a lot of negative feedback it's probably because the game is in one of the worst states it's been of for years

[dusty pendant]

You obviously didn't read the post lol

[fluid locust]

Just because I read your rubbish doesn't make it true. Even devs admit that the past few updates have sucked

[dusty pendant]

Where did I mention anything about the past few updates?

Also, a successful game doesn't come to mind that allows raging gamers to come into their social media and repeatedly spam wild exaggerations. "China and North Korea" are not the only perpetrators of moderation, lol.

[fluid locust]

"moderation"

Ah yes

That's what you want to call it

🤡 well I see how pointless a conversation is here

[dusty pendant]

Yeah your statements here and in the past are rather revealing e.e Not worth. Have nice day

[late wind]

Sgt. Bridgewater really shows that we should have gotten the Krag and not the Berthier.

U.S. army sergeant who doesn't have the U.S. army standard rifle?

[maiden pelican]

Why the hell isn't it the springfield thats standard issue, rather than the spectre

Like saying the Saiga 12 is standard issue to the U.S. military

[unborn smelt]

Its a monster hunting, american sergeant - why does he need the standard issue rifle

[maiden pelican]

He doesn't just the name is weird and its description says "While the specter 1882 was standard issue..."

Which it never was unless thats just a weird single thing of hunts timeline being different

[unborn smelt]

Well yes thats propably it...

[maiden pelican]

Maybe they got it confused with the spencer rifle

[unborn smelt]

Its not a "single thing" either

[half stag]

I mean, Spencers were issued to frontier troops, albeit more in use for hunting game rather than for combat

[unborn smelt]

Winnie musket is also a fictional, "what if Winfield was military contract" thing

[maiden pelican]

They made musket length winchesters

[half stag]

Uh, it was an actual custom order option from Winchester

[maiden pelican]

^

Are you sure they bought spencers for soldiers, I thought the U.S. military on the frontier would have been more for single shot shotguns at that point

[unborn smelt]

Well the devs specifically said is fictional afaik

[half stag]

I have source, lemme finish this match first

[half stag]

Well they had to have done research for it

Or they are unimaginably ignorant

[maiden pelican]

Maybe its the lore for it

[half stag]

The lore 100%

But the concept, no

[unborn smelt]

Lore background was afaik, in Hunts alternate timeline the Winchester company made a contract with a winchester made to military specs

[maiden pelican]

I'd have to see what they said when adding it, I thought they just said "Here, new winfield with bayonet"

[unborn smelt]

Including the longer barrel as well as the mandatory bayonet

[maiden pelican]

And nobody ever uses it

Damn, gonna have to unlock it again to read the lore easily

[unborn smelt]

I think they said it in the devstream when they added it

Not the lore entry

[maiden pelican]

I barely remeber when it came in, before throwing axe I think

[unborn smelt]

I'd look for it but storm zapped my DLS

[maiden pelican]

but after say, bornheim match?

or was it in the same update

[unborn smelt]

So i'm bound by mobile data volume

[maiden pelican]

Might have been in the same update as the bornheim match right?

[unborn smelt]

Not sure tbh

Been a long time

[half stag]

https://youtu.be/oROttbSkayU?t=353

[vocal storm]

yeah you are completely right

[half stag]

https://youtu.be/ASL5-8ANQGk?t=1913 it's not fictional btw for Winchester to have made a military version

just did some research and it was made to try and gain military acceptance, but failed due to them wanting a higher caliber. (which forced winchester instead to send them out to other potential buyers and as a custom order option.) https://collegehillarsenal.com/winchester-m-1873-musket-fine

so there actually almost isn't any historical discrepancy sans for the demonic incursions and name changes of course

[keen bolt]

@late wind I very much like the 1st and 2nd idea

[late wind]

The burnout idea isn't mine but thanks! I'm just sick of 50+ minute stalemates due to Redskull.

[keen bolt]

I knew

But yes

F.red skull revive

In combat that is

[fluid locust]

I never really had an issue with redskull but then again I don't camp and let it get to that point so meh

[late wind]

I'm cool with it as a way to gather up your partner(s) after a tough scrap and limp home. But damn it sucks to be in that situation.

Also @queen jungle your suggestion reminded me of this.

[keen bolt]

Usually it's 1 in 15 case

Once it happened

It sucks!

But most of the time it would be fine

[late wind]

Oh yeah. Mr. Perfect over here who's never had anyone do this, or abuse broken mechanics, or glitches, or get teamed ever in his life.

[keen bolt]

Usually happens in a more - 'defender' sided compound

I had said moment of red skull revive in Ironworks

[late wind]

Not you.

[keen bolt]

He's probably a chad 6 star but he said he don't camp so most likely he's a rusher

Yesterday I just teamed up in game

It was fun actually

[fluid locust]

I would rather die and start a new game then have a 50 minute holdout

that just sounds painful

[queen jungle]

Jumping out of a window will never not be funny

[keen bolt]

True

I'm outta here

Is always funny

Idk why there would even be a dislike to the idea tho

[sullen crypt]

Which one is it again

[queen jungle]

My defenestration quest

[keen bolt]

Also the red skull revive idea got downvoted

As usual

[sullen crypt]

So what exactly do you mean by that? So you get iframes while vaulting?

[sullen crypt]

Just rush, don't let the them revive, don't camp. I don't see a problem with red skull revivez they are invulnerable while reviving

Not only are you vulnerable. You need to spend 50 hp

[late wind]

People need their crutches. What are you gonna do?

[keen bolt]

The problem would be the compound full of concertinas - you know sometimes the situation does not let you rush!

It's not that I want to camp outside or anything but like...yeah traps

[sullen crypt]

Again 50 hp, per revive. Heals aren't infinite, especially if they are locked in

[late wind]

Or. Maybe you just got done killing their 2+ teams of escorts, and now you're low on resources/ammo.

[keen bolt]

Solid compounds

[sullen crypt]

@queen jungle so like iframes during vault animation?

[keen bolt]

Or when people dies by windows etc and their reviver aren't visible

[queen jungle]

Uhhhh what’s an iframe lol

[keen bolt]

Only thing you could do is basically camp body :(

[sullen crypt]

Invulnerability frames

[queen jungle]

I more so envisioned it as the assassin stabbing you or sum and you being like “naw fuck that” and jumping out of a window to escape

[queen jungle]

Nonononono no invincibility

Just jump out of a window very quickly after taking damage

No iframes here

[sullen crypt]

So you mean like vaulting cleanses negative effects?

[keen bolt]

I had this exact experience on Upper Desalle - where my team rack up 6 kills on 1 guy ...yeahhh

[queen jungle]

Nope

Literally jump out a window a short period after taking damage

It does nothing other than fulfill the quest

[late wind]

As in there was dynamite or something in your hideout, and you dove out the window and didn't take damage from it?

[queen jungle]

Hey that could work too

If ur inside the lethal range of a throwable

Jump out the window to avoid it

[sullen crypt]

I am dumb. I just see it's for a quest

I thought you meant like a new mechanic

[queen jungle]

Lmao no

Not a new mechanic

Just get away from a source of damage by jumping out a window

[keen bolt]

Tbh there's a lot of quest suggestion coming in recently

Some good some bad

Some are downright undoable

Like extract a bounty without taking damage

[sullen crypt]

Not a fan of the very specific ones

[keen bolt]

Like....HOW

[sullen crypt]

That disrupt the flow of the game

[sullen crypt]

Empty servers

[keen bolt]

Even then

Like 'not taking damage' too insane?

You are bound to get a damage from boss atleast once

[sullen crypt]

Just jump out of a window

[queen jungle]

I made a suggestion for a quest that basically says you can’t hit any resupply point at all and you have to rely on what you bring in

[keen bolt]

This is actually doable

[sullen crypt]

Ammo boxes boutta become meta

[keen bolt]

It's a quest for a round so it's completely doable

Requires some luck tho

[late wind]

Steal the catalytic conveters out of three extraction boats.

[keen bolt]

I actually like this - Hard but doable

[queen jungle]

Quests should be a fun/funny challenge that don’t disrupt the game too much IMO

[queen jungle]

Fuck it, just steal the whole extraction

[keen bolt]

Extract a bounty without taking a single damage can f. Right off XD

[queen jungle]

Jump in and

Uh

Go

[keen bolt]

This the shit I wanted now

Btw anyone want new army to have more ammo reserve?

[queen jungle]

New army should have a precision variant and more reserve

IMO

(oh and a swift variant would be nice)

[late wind]

I think the new army is fine as is.

[queen jungle]

It’s an officer but worse in every conceivable way sans reload

[sullen crypt]

@vocal storm for starters, custom ammo cost more money. I know that's not a big deal for most players, but is still a thing. Second, you need special ammo crates to refill. 3rd, most if not all of then have a direct downside. Like fire ammo revealing your location. Poison ammo reducing dmg. While the gain outweighs the lost, is still gotta be taken into consideration.

Yeah new army is just a worse officer imo

[queen jungle]

Also where Krag

Make it the first long ammo that you unlock that holds more than 1 boolet

[keen bolt]

I like the Idea of 'lower tier' long ammo rifle

[sullen crypt]

I really hate how you have to unlock special ammo before you can unlock some variants, more reasons to not prestige imo

[late wind]

I'm not sure I agree. Access to fmj/dumdum puts this thing ahead of the officer in my book. At least if you're good at leading targets.

[keen bolt]

Or 'high tier' compact or medium ammo gun

[keen bolt]

Or some useless variants before useful special ammo

Specter are guilty of this

I want my damned penny

[sullen crypt]

Well personally I don't like any custom ammo. So yeha I'm hurt

[keen bolt]

Not unlocking 4 variants and 2 ammo before it

[queen jungle]

I find dumdum to be overrated, especially since you can duck behind a 9x12 sheet of office paper to heal

Also the velocity on FMJ makes me very sad

[keen bolt]

Dums Dums are ok on them I found but then the issue being the ammo reserve

You're literally stuck to +3 ammo per box

[queen jungle]

You have to use the New Army FMJ specifically to get good at its velocity because it’s slower than every gun in the game IIRC

200m/s

https://tenor.com/view/cmon-dude-cmon-man-come-on-man-gif-15666447

[keen bolt]

It's doable - better than derringer

But the ammo reserve is what killed me

+3 really?

Is that acceptable even

That's legit long ammo pickups

[late wind]

Small price to pay for what's basically a six shot dolch.

[keen bolt]

Yeah ...n9

No

I'd just go with officer over it anyday

HV ammo- Better sight - Better rof - Better ammo economy

And only 6$ more expensive

Not to mention +1 in the chamber

[late wind]

I find the new army to be more controllable in rapid fire. Not nearly as squirrelly as the officer.

[keen bolt]

Officer is only Better in 2 thing

damage - recoil

That

[prime ibex]

Though the New Army has the worst velocity, it still betters Officer just cause it does 6 more damage, and has FMJ/dumdum. Besides so, I'll just long bow an explosive bolt over 200 meters cause I can.

[keen bolt]

Dum dum has questionable effectiveness when really close range 1v1

With fmj it becomes too slow to consider past 20m

[prime ibex]

Idk why anyone would try to use it at mid range, close quarters is where it capitalizes.

[sullen crypt]

The higher firerate is better than the 6 dmg tho

[keen bolt]

And officer would be better in that regard

+1 in mag

[fluid locust]

new army is a joke

and nobody is laughing

[keen bolt]

Close quarters means no recoil + more recoil of the officer is irrelevant

And 97 damage I think ... still doesn't let you 2 shot arm

[prime ibex]

Officer also has a semi atrocious sway even in close quarters.

[keen bolt]

Which nullify +6 damage

[sullen crypt]

Cqc the firerate outweighs the dmg big time

[keen bolt]

But when practiced Officer do Both close and medium range

[sullen crypt]

Both 2 shot in chest, so why not go for the one that can 2 shot faster

[keen bolt]

And also +1 in the mag - that's noticeable when you're spamming at close range vs the NA

[late wind]

I'll take a swift reload over 1 extra round any day. Using 1 extra round is putting a ton of faith both in yourself and the game's hitreg.

[keen bolt]

Except it doesn't have swift reload

(yet)

[late wind]

From empty it's faster than the officer iirc.

[keen bolt]

From EMPTY

[sullen crypt]

From not empty, is longer isnt it

[keen bolt]

EMPTY at close range means you're DEAD

Unless your main weapon is OHK stuff (which you wouldn't take new army for close range primary)

You would not be surviving long enough to capitalise on like ... +1 second reload

But +1 round does

[late wind]

If you've hit them once with your now empty new army at close range, literally anything can kill them now.

If your other weapon is empty, sure you have a point.

[keen bolt]

And you would say you'll rely on rifle / primary weapon to follow up

Tbh 91 damage vs 97 isn't that far off in that regard still

Only with Dum Dum I could argue it might bleed 3 damage off

[fluid locust]

I legit had a one on one duel with a guy who had a new army while I had an officer and I legit won because I had the extra bullet

[keen bolt]

This

Same experience tbh

[fluid locust]

That alone made me never want to touch the new army

The velocity is legit worse than derringer and suppressed nagant

[keen bolt]

Only thing it would salvage it is making it a superior officer and that means giving them 6/18 capacity

[fluid locust]

At least with fmj

[keen bolt]

Or a Swift (speed loader)

[late wind]

And I've won fighrs because I had a faster reload.

Anecdotes aren't really that helpful to determine which is the better DA.

Kinda seems like pure opinion at this point.

[fluid locust]

Stats are. Where new army is ass

Would be better if velocity was derringer level

[late wind]

Better damage. Better reload. Cheaper. Less recoil. How is that ass?

[fluid locust]

New army is more comparable to derringer than officer

$6 cheaper right?

[keen bolt]

'Better reload' only works when empty

Just like Pax vs Scottsfield argument

But it's unnoticeable because it's medium range pistol

[late wind]

I don't really feel the need to top off constantly. I broke my CoD syndrome years ago.

[sullen crypt]

I do

My ocd gets unhappy

[keen bolt]

Yeah I mean that's the thing you should do in hunt isn't it?

[sullen crypt]

Thays why inrush bulletgrubber

[keen bolt]

Topping off when noone is shooting at you

[sullen crypt]

I mean if I have the time, why not

[late wind]

If no one is shooting at you then reload time doesn't really matter does it?

[keen bolt]

Yup

Then it means just pick the officer cause overall better stats

Especially velocity

And rof

[sullen crypt]

But if someoen is shooting at me, and I got the time, you bet I'm going to reload

[late wind]

So yeah. I'll take the slower top off for a faster "in the fight" reload.

[sullen crypt]

The rate of fire alone is a no Brainer for me, both weapons are 2 shots, so I rather shoot twice faster

+6 dmg won't help if I can't shoot fast enough

[keen bolt]

Unless Officer gets actual better stats that matter then I'm not picking it period

[late wind]

Honestly I'd play tf out of the officer if it had recoil akin to it's irl counterpart. But as it stands, you've got a desert eagle with a slow reload, that hits barely harder than a derringer.

[keen bolt]

Like okay sure if you argue close range then maybe it's 'comparable'

When you are 20m+ then?

Like

You know the point with officer is

People won't take it if it's just
At best 'marginally' better at close range
And at worst 'noticibly' worse at other aspects

[keen bolt]

This you gotta complain to the 'spam complainers'

[late wind]

What now?

[hexed whale]

The range at which you consistently two tap, you might as well bring shotty uppercut

[keen bolt]

People who complain about 'SPAM' being a problem

Especially on the officer

Those mf ask for officer to be like this

[hexed whale]

Officer is a meme gun. You cant change my mind

[keen bolt]

It wasn't always like this but it now is

Eh I'm more of a Rifle-Fast pistol kinda guy

[late wind]

I'm aware it used to be okay. And I played it a lot then. But yeah I know everyone said it was a spam cannon.

[keen bolt]

Man I really hate the complainers

Ruins everything

[hexed whale]

I mean thats fine play what you want. But the meta kind of shows its not any where near the best option or combo as far as ttk if youre a good shot

[late wind]

99% convinced they were all uppercut mains who were upset that something could occasionally compete with their precious pocket rifle.

[keen bolt]

XD

Uppercut is strong tho

But like... It's pocket Vetterli

[hexed whale]

Its literally the best small slot

[keen bolt]

With better pen

The worst part being it's very oppressive as people who lose 25 hp will get 1 tapped

[hexed whale]

Its twice as expensive as a sparks. Which should really tell you something as far as how crytek views its strength.

[late wind]

I mean. If people actually prestieged money might mean something.

[keen bolt]

Yup

Most versatile loadout shotty uppercut

[hexed whale]

I do. And it still doesnt. You win every other game and you still have loads of cash to run sniper spitzer if you wanted

[late wind]

Plus you'll never have to buy it. Basically everyone carries it. So you have to win one fight. Then just go pick it up.

[hexed whale]

Thats usually how I unlock it every prestige

[late wind]

But we can't risk any other pistol being too good. Oh nooo.

[hexed whale]

Well define good

[late wind]

Pre nerf officer? That was pretty good.

[hexed whale]

Officer is still good if you hit your shots within its effective range. Even if you have to three tap cuz you limb shot youll kill the uppercut user if he needs to two tap you

[keen bolt]

Yup

That

It's fine by 1st semi auto sway hit then people complain more

[late wind]

The officer got turned into a pile of junk. Yet the uppercut is way more powerful, and picked far more often, but hasn't been touched.

[keen bolt]

Got hit by 2nf

And officer dirs

Dies

[late wind]

To be fair, I guess they sell a lot more uppercut skins. Gotta keep the cash cow alive lol.

[hexed whale]

At the end of the day all guns are viable and have their place. But what makes uppercut the “best” is its range ability, velocity, and more often than nit for me and most players it just increases your ammo pool on your meta long gun

Just click the head in effective range and every gun is goated

[keen bolt]

But Really they should just nerf the upper and give long ammo a new pistol

Something that was highly requested like rolling block pistol

[fluid locust]

if the officer was realistic the rate of fire would not be as good as it is because the trigger is heavy as hell

[keen bolt]

Martini pistol

[hexed whale]

Hard disagree. That would handicap shotgun players even more at range.

[late wind]

Yeah. I know. That's not the gotcha you think it is. I'll take controllable over fast in most situations.

Also, if you're not trying to aim, you can pull the trigger pretty quick.

[hexed whale]

Like you wouldnt have anything that has an effective range over what? 80m? unless you have quartermaster for obrez?

[keen bolt]

Like a martini pistol

That is a single shot

Or if my idea... Nerf tge damage to 124 increase headshot range to compensate

[late wind]

A martini pistol would only be a bigger ammo dump for long rifles though.

[hexed whale]

That is way to weak. What would be the price tag on that junk? Assuming youd have to two tap at least with it which makes it a pretty ineffective for most players

[keen bolt]

Or you know conversion fmj

If headshot is all about what you want

It legit has 100

[late wind]

Make the uppercut a two slot. It's basically the same size as the romero handcannon, another two slot.

[hexed whale]

Conversion fmj is strong as hell yeah. 103m is nuts for compact

[keen bolt]

Then obrez will outshine it

[hexed whale]

Gonna have to make the handbow a two slot as well with that logic

[late wind]

That's the point. Sawed off rifle > Pistol.

Plus the oberez can't use fanning.

[keen bolt]

Rifle vs pistol argument sigh

If anything I blame crytek for making the Obrez worse than uc

[hexed whale]

Rifles are obviously better. Anyone making the claim that upper rivals any rifle is coping

[keen bolt]

I agree but really when they make ...a pistol

[late wind]

Dude basically anyone would take an uppercut over a winnie. So yeah. It does rival and sometimes exceed rifles...

[keen bolt]

Literally better choice to take than rifle is not ok

Atleast better than sawnoffs

[late wind]

It rivals the vetterli, and outperforms literally anything lower on the totem pole.

I could even argue it outperforms the vetterli because it only takes one slot against the vetterli's three.

[keen bolt]

I know it does

That much is obvious

[hexed whale]

Thats a winny. Youre talking compact ammo vs long ammo. Youre trading range for spam.

[keen bolt]

Problem is how do we fix if

It

Base winny???

[late wind]

Special ammo. 6/6. 124 damage. Pick two. Problem solved. Check please.

[hexed whale]

And lets not forget they have basically the same effective range. So how is upper better than winny assuming youre using one or the other as your ranged weapon

[keen bolt]

124 damage is the Fairest and Best way to nerf the upper

Can't convince me otherwise

Other changes will affect other weapons

While damage nerf only effect itself

[hexed whale]

Itll be the only long ammo gun that doesnt kill after someone has been downed

[keen bolt]

It's a... fucking...PIS TOL

[hexed whale]

And? You gonna reduce the price too??

[keen bolt]

It still 2 shots

Yeah 250 is fair

[late wind]

When they make the dolch cheaper sure.

[keen bolt]

Hell even 200

[hexed whale]

Lol 25 bucks? Not even close

[keen bolt]

Listen mate

124 damage 2 taps people still

Nerfing ammo pool in anyway means long arms are affected

Meaning you can't stack ammo for pickup

[late wind]

Also good.

[keen bolt]

That WILL have big effect on meta as a whole

Imagine now you can't even stack ammo for lebel

Lebel becomes less used

[hexed whale]

Yeah but if I knock someone and they dont go down again to one shot from a literal handcannon thats a load of crap. All youre going to do is make a new pistol the new meta and complain about that next

[late wind]

I Already don't. I just suffer.

[keen bolt]

Mosin still fine and instead of Uppercut dolch will resurge

And what do we even do with the UC then?

It's still overpopulated and pretty much the main pistol people pick

[hexed whale]

It wont. It will have zero impact on high 5-6stars. Long ammo is and will always be meta regardless of wether or not i get 9 extra bullets

[keen bolt]

Bruh right ...rightttr

[hexed whale]

Even 4 stars run it constantly cuz they know

[late wind]

Give it worse sway and recoil then.

[keen bolt]

Like see

You cannot let uppercut exist in healthy form

[late wind]

Or a 30% chance to explode like the colt walker it's based on.

[hexed whale]

This is getting ridiculous. You might as well just take it out of the game at this point

[keen bolt]

Just like the dolch

Noone will be happy

Ever

You could only do nothing or a compromise

That's all about it

That's why any living game are in constant of shifting meta

[sick anvil]

If you want to see people pick differently you need to add options

[keen bolt]

Cause one thing dies another becomes one

[late wind]

Adding options means nothing when this thing reigns supreme.

[keen bolt]

Yeah just nerf the damage to 124 and adds a martini pistol

[sick anvil]

Pax is the superior medium and you see 50% 50% split with the schofield

[hexed whale]

This isnt a spammy gun that you just get lucky with sometimes or sometimes just cant outplay. This is a gun that is slow to fire and has insane recoil. It takes real skill to use.

[late wind]

There have been several pistols added, and still nobody picks them because why bother? The uppercut exists.

[hexed whale]

Its long ammo holy hell. Of course its the most used. Hey just out of curiousity whats the ammo type of the most popular rifles?

[keen bolt]

If you want 1 taps to downed then go Martini pistol maybe have it at 140 damage

And reliable 2 tap within 40m go uppercut

That's the point of 124 damage nerf

People ran uppercut partly because they got no other option

Just like Pax - Scottsfield dilemma

You think like ...a pistol should 1 tap a hunter who loss 25 HP really?

[hexed whale]

Yes

For a 275 price tag and little ammo yeah I do.

[keen bolt]

Sigh ... Really what's the point of running a rifle then?

[hexed whale]

Effective range

[keen bolt]

Any other rifle that's not Long

[hexed whale]

94m aint shit

[late wind]

Most engagements are <50m...

[keen bolt]

And why not just let it have 124 damage and longer headshot modifier

So it can still be a "Skill cannon"

[hexed whale]

Youre talking about the 3-4 star trash cans then. And if most engagements are less than 5m i dont even know why youre complaining

50 sorry

[keen bolt]

Because even the 3 star trash can knows uppercut 1 taps people who lose 25hp

That's why it's fucking everywhere

[late wind]

Literally everyone knows how absurdly strong it is.

[hexed whale]

As it should be. I cant believe this is actually an argument tbh. Like yall think uppercut is actually op?

[keen bolt]

I went solo and met 3-4 stars and guess what 80% of the lobby are running as a sidearm

[hexed whale]

The best sidearm in the game?

[late wind]

If it walks like a duck. And quacks like a duck. And literally has rifle stats like a duck...

[hexed whale]

Which if you nerf this, there will be a new best sidearm and guess what youll see then?

[sick anvil]

80% so you are telling me that you seen 8 uppercuts in one match ?

[keen bolt]

It's too good at what they do that even a proper-f.in-sawn off-rifle look at them and commits suicide

[keen bolt]

Pretty much

It's literally that

[sick anvil]

Objection lack of foundation

[keen bolt]

But maybe time I play also affect that

[sullen crypt]

I do see an insane amount of uppercuts

[hexed whale]

I dont see why thats such a problem though

Versatility for the sake of versatility?

[sick anvil]

Objection hearsay

[keen bolt]

I killed half the lobby in 1 place so there's that - and other half already dies there

[sick anvil]

so you killed 5 people and saw 3 upercuts so you deducted there is at least 5 more

that is hearsay

[keen bolt]

No

[late wind]

I steal legendary uppercuts from fights I win just to prove how often they appear. I currently have 21 kamacite moons. And that's just one skin. Only from fights I win.

So maybe they're super common for a reason? Almost like they're too good to pass up or something.

[keen bolt]

There's BODIES

I counted it

[sullen crypt]

Oh I've never said it was problem, just saying I see them a lot

[hexed whale]

I have never died to an uppercut or got headshot by it and thought man this gun op. And i havent met anyone else who has. Although I am in 5-6 star so maybe the opinion changes in the other brackets

[sullen crypt]

Actually almost no one uses it in 3

From my experience that is

Now that I'm 5 I'm seeing it a lot

[hexed whale]

Because it takes skill to hit the shot. You cant spam it

[sullen crypt]

Correct

[keen bolt]

Yup

The only thing I'm complaining is that it's too oppressive for a multi shot pistol

[sick anvil]

I see the following issue , it counters my play style it needs to be nerfed .

[keen bolt]

Like ...it 1 taps people who lose even a 25hp

[late wind]

-Ohk to the body.
-Skill

[keen bolt]

Like people never dies or gets into multiple fight - noted

[hexed whale]

Uhh yeah if you already got domed once? Youre just getting punished

[keen bolt]

Against a 2nd team who just rolled up

Very fun

Via a body shot

[sick anvil]

your argument is getting downed and being susceptible to one more gun to tap you and end you .
lose 50HP bar and any gun one taps you in the game

[late wind]

You getting one tapped because you're missing a chunk =/= Me being skilled.

How is that not obvious?

[hexed whale]

Dont die. Play more careful. Or hit your shots. Get the banish. Play out of its range if you know youre one tap to it. Or just extract if you dont want to die that bad. So much you can do to avoid it

[sullen crypt]

Don't die

[radiant river]

i have 250 hours and am 5/6 stars usually and i cant remember dying to uppercut bodyshot after being downed ever

😺

[late wind]

So you always extract when missing one chunk?

[keen bolt]

You know Mosin and long arms should be that strong and is acceptable to be 1 tapped by it if you lose a HP

[hexed whale]

Nope cuz I can do any of the other things I mentioned

[keen bolt]

It's literally 3 slot

[sullen crypt]

Just dont die lol

[keen bolt]

And Uppercut does that for a fraction of cost and slot

[hexed whale]

Five head I know

[keen bolt]

On ANY loadout

Because it allows on a small slot

[sick anvil]

have you been around pre 1.4.4

[hexed whale]

If you die in your fight you are now weaker because of it as you should be. Youre claiming that my 15 total shots on a two tap gun that has a slow rate of fire and costs nearly 300 shouldnt one hit you after you made the mistake of dying

Its your fault. Youre getting punished

[keen bolt]

Are you gonna say quickswap

[radiant river]

i dont think the uppercut is op but this is a dumb argument

imagine if the winfield did 130 damage

you could say the same thing

[hexed whale]

It doesnt though does it?

Its compact

[radiant river]

ur trolling

[hexed whale]

Theres no reason for it to do 130

[sick anvil]

No just count the amount of nerfs on the upercut that were done and asking for more

[late wind]

Saying every death is your fault knowing full well ladder glitching, desync, hitreg issues, and headshots not counting sometimes shows a staggering lack of self awareness.

[hexed whale]

Lmao

You want to nerf guns based on bugs?

[keen bolt]

Yeah I already see it - I remember it reload like a conversion

[late wind]

Just go argue with the strawman lol. Because that is not what I said.

[dense fjord]

Are people hating on uppercut

[hexed whale]

Thats literally what you just said

[dense fjord]

Uppercut is balanced

[keen bolt]

Sigh

[dense fjord]

[hexed whale]

Ez

[late wind]

You said every death is your fault. When there are factors in this game beyond your control.

[keen bolt]

Yeah yeah keep your 130 damage

[hexed whale]

Sooooo where are you going with that stag

[sick anvil]

the state of the game is the reason to nerf the only long ammo side arm

[keen bolt]

Legit only point I would argue is that it should not be 1 tapping bodies but you know what - fuck it

[late wind]

You getting a bad roll that costs you a chunk =/= I'm good for one tapping you with a pistol.

[hexed whale]

So nerf it because bugs?

Oh

Gotcha

Feel like I said that before

But ok

[late wind]

Dude I never said bugs specially. Bugs can happen. But there's other things in this game that can and will kill you, outside your control.

[hexed whale]

Unforgiving game. Cope I guess?

[sick anvil]

it should not one tap is a bad argument because lose 50HP and now the pax needs a nerf . you lose 75HP and everything should be nerfed

[late wind]

I'm not the one simping for a pocket rifle.

[keen bolt]

Except it's a sidearm that's the point

A sidearm...that rivals rifle

[dense fjord]

I was gonna say this

Some people hav big bar on the end

Then basically anything can OHK you to chest

[sick anvil]

Pax competes with winfield damage so it needs to nerf

it rivals compact rifles

[hexed whale]

Cope

[sick anvil]

Every gun rivals quad deringer nerf them all

you should not die to one bullet when you got 25HP left

[dense fjord]

@late wind I’m sorry bro but I don’t agree with you at all rn, uppercut is okay.

[late wind]

Disagree all you want. But no pistol should outperform this many primaries.

[dense fjord]

Out perform how?

It’s long ammo

It does what it does well with many drawbacks

[sick anvil]

@late wind you know what this is ?

[dense fjord]

Yes it’s a great small slot weapon but does not outperform rifles

[late wind]

It's a pistol. It takes one slot. And it outcompetes everything worse than a vetterli. And arguably the vetterli itself.

[late wind]

Nope. Don't care either.

[dense fjord]

Stop it

Let me say some things

[sick anvil]

by your logic this should not exists

[dense fjord]

Uppercut main attraction is damage, and penetration, with decent velocity

[late wind]

It exists. But I'd sure take a rifle over it.

[dense fjord]

It has bad handling, rof, and reload speed compared to other revolvers

And all 3 much worse than any rifle

Vetterli is basically a better uppercut but of course it is 3 slot, but worth for the reserve ammo alone

Much better handling, much faster rof, much faster reload speed

[late wind]

Dude you're intentionally being obtuse. This thing is better than a winnie pretty objectively. And does the vetterli's job better by only needing one slot and feeding your long rifle.

[hexed whale]

Forgot about the handling lul. I hated that change but ive gotten used to it

[dense fjord]

No way

[hexed whale]

Within winnies effective range Ill take the winny over uppercut

[dense fjord]

Winny is a beast man, not really comparable to uppercut but it’s a compound dominator at-least.

[hexed whale]

Which is pretty comparable actually

[keen bolt]

You know it still doesn't 1 tap 125 hp

[dense fjord]

Tons of ammo capacity, better handling, better fire rate, faster reload. Insane rifle for handling multiple enemies in quick succession.

[sick anvil]

It is the same logic you apply 110 is more than 100

[sick anvil]

So your issue is that there is a gun that stacks ammo with long ammo rifles or the damage ?

[hexed whale]

Both it would seem

[dense fjord]

Uppercut is like taking a mostly crippled pocket Vetterli as a nice option for adding range or ammo to your load out

[late wind]

Both. Plus capacity and sway.

[hexed whale]

Its feeding the meta so anything good for long ammo is bad i guess

[sick anvil]

One argument against uppercut is , " I should not have any disadvantage to losing 25HP " other one is it stacks with long ammo rifles

[dense fjord]

6 shots is a lot?

[keen bolt]

Point I acknowledge

• Uppercut is not OP
• Uppercut has worse handling
• Uppercut cost fking 275$
• Uppercut has 6/9 ammo
• Pax 1 tap 100 HP

Point I disagree with

• but Pax 110 damage does drop within compound range
• A sidearm should not 1 tap ...evey single one of them unless its hand crossbow

[dense fjord]

Seems fine to me

[late wind]

6/9 isn't proportional to other revolvers. It's too much.

[keen bolt]

This

[hexed whale]

To much??? My man

[keen bolt]

Is the point I'd argue on

Btw Didn't mean the capacity

[late wind]

Sorry you need that much long to compensate for trash aim.

[dense fjord]

Okay so you think the reserve should be nerfed to 6?

[hexed whale]

Hahahaha whats your mmr again?

[sick anvil]

Quad CCP has 96 bullets 72 bullets reserve
and a 9 bullet reserver is an issue

[late wind]

5* bb.

[hexed whale]

Now im curious what elo this is coming from

Low? You touch 6stars often?

[dense fjord]

Lol

Be nice to each other

[late wind]

I bounce back and forth between 5 and 6.

[dense fjord]

We can look over the hard facts

[hexed whale]

Kd?

[dense fjord]

Kd doesn’t matter

[late wind]

Facts.

[hexed whale]

It does dont pretend

[dense fjord]

Neither does elo

I am serious

Not everyone gets to high elo and kd the same way

[keen bolt]

True that

[hexed whale]

Kd is a good indicator of skill if you look at their other stats and they match up. Like obviously someone with little bounty but high kd is just a farmer

[sick anvil]

KD and MMR argument is the most elitists i can imagine

[hexed whale]

But high kd and good bounty shows consistently winning in fights and extracting with bounty

[dense fjord]

Maybe?

Not for sure though

[hexed whale]

At the very least its a decent indicator of someones capability to hold their own in a fight or at least land shots

[sick anvil]

So you are saying some one with less KD and MMR so their argument is invalid ?

[keen bolt]

What I gather from the points you guys made
•Uppercut should 1 tap because

• it's expensive sidearm and the only one that could (I don't agree)
• loosing 25 hp should be detrimental (don't entire disagree)
• but losing 50 or 25 hp comes by chance (this is a point I agree with)

[hexed whale]

That all came from the fact that he says I have trash aim cuz I defending uppers ammo pool

[keen bolt]

So yeah maybe it's not entirely bad

[hexed whale]

So naturally I wanted to know the stats of the shit talker

[dense fjord]

All good

You should forgive each other this is a game and yeah we enjoy it as a hobby but no need to get heated

[late wind]

Well. You just got done crowing about how you're skillful. So losing 3 rounds of long shouldn't be a big deal, should it?

[keen bolt]

Not everyone has 50-50-25x2
@sick anvil so I'd agree with uppercut 1 tapping in that case

[late wind]

6/6 brings it perfectly in line with the other revolvers. Who get 6/18 and 6/12 respectively as you go up to larger ammo.

[hexed whale]

Gonna have to ask you where I crowed. No it wouldnt be that huge of a deal id still take it and so would everyone and youd still complain

[dense fjord]

Not really probably not, but even the best players can run low when they do a lot or all of the servers fighting themselves lol. Even the bad ones that sit back playing sniper team elite will just be forced to withdraw to look for ammo. Or we’ll see more people dedicating a consumable to ammo box.

I’m fine with nerf to 6 I guess

I’d still take it with Bethier 😋

[keen bolt]

Tbh I'd also be fine with 6/6

Skilled player could still use their strong point and aim to dominate

But it will remove it from the unworthy

[dense fjord]

Lol

[sick anvil]

The only problem with one tap on downed hunters i have against the argument is .
I se more often people run single shot long with nagant officer or pax due to faster ROF and reload in the past it was the dolch.
During my hours i encounter 1 - 2 uppercuts in every other match .
Most of the time i aim to get 8-9 kills per match .
Since there is no alternative to the uppercut running long ammo.
and since i get the desire to nerf the mosin and labelle it hurts sparks and MH ICI .

[fluid locust]

agreed

[dense fjord]

I don’t like that at all personally

[late wind]

I'd happily take 124 over the current nothing they're doing. Even if I see it as insufficent.

[keen bolt]

I think maybe It was the time (like 1-2 am on my server) that I saw lot of Uppercut

[sick anvil]

124 goes for that fact that you do not want to be punished to losing 25 HP bar

[fluid locust]

the only thing I wouldn't like about the 124 damage is less headshot range

[sick anvil]

and we go in circles

[dense fjord]

That would kill uppercut for me and lots of people probably

[keen bolt]

If 124 ever was the solution I wish the damage on headshot multiplier would be 4x thank you I'll just end it at that

[dense fjord]

Just take something with HV and fish headshots

[late wind]

124 and all of a sudden quartermaster becomes useful for people who want a rifle as their secondary.

[dense fjord]

That’s a separate issue

[keen bolt]

But really Hunt needs to give incentives to use sawn offs

Especially ranged one

[dense fjord]

And why crytek saw fit for all medium slot rifles to have trash sway is beyond me

[late wind]

True.

[dense fjord]

Literally give them a tiny little stock you can shoulder like many guns irl and say they’re pretty stable

[late wind]

But again. Why ever use a sawn off when a one slot pistol completely outperforms it? So it's all the same issue.

[dense fjord]

Does not though

I mean

Not worth investment so I get it

But different issue

[late wind]

You'd be a fool to take a winnie vandal over an uppercut. You seem reasonable but c'mon man.

[dense fjord]

I’ve used oberez as a backup for sparks silencer a lot and loved it

Since it has fast fire rate and reload speed

[keen bolt]

Day Before Yesterday I was unlucky enough to die to camper everytime I solo (I'm taking about walking into clue building and step onto insta kill trap type) so yesterday I just ran a meme loadout cause I was downed to low 5

[dense fjord]

Great for punishing people that think they can push slow reload silenced sparks

[keen bolt]

I could say Springfield compact isn't as bad as I thought it would be

[sick anvil]

Nerfing upercut also would promote less agressive play style as getting in a pinch with uppercut as side arm would be certain death

Thus long ammo staying out even at more distance

[hexed whale]

Most people use quartermaster for dolch p or dual uppercuts for their avto

[keen bolt]

Finally a point my roosher Brain can comprehend 200%

[dense fjord]

I hate avto lol

Doesn’t fit the game in my opinion

[hexed whale]

Same things pretty bad

[dense fjord]

But I don’t doubt it’s around to stay

[late wind]

Now you run the oberez, or a shotgun, or stocked pistol for extra Accuracy. All of a sudden more things become viable. You can still play aggressive. Now it just wouldn't be your only option.

[hexed whale]

Well strong. But if I wanted to play cod Id play cod

[keen bolt]

Soldiers actually report positive result of them in ww1

But then again it's light Machine gun

Also exchangeable mag

And not on the mosin

[dense fjord]

Broken record here but they have better rof and reload speed, and also the added chance someone might think that’s your primary and get more aggressive with you when you actually have a close range primary.

I think medium slot weapons could use some love

[keen bolt]

Hmm tbh Sawn off should have a stock

[sick anvil]

Why would i touch a russian gun eww

[keen bolt]

This yes

[dense fjord]

Slap an actual shouler-able mini stock on them and make them have better handling lol

I will find a picture rn

[dense fjord]

Exactly

[keen bolt]

This is legit what hunt came up

But unused

[sick anvil]

Eww

[late wind]

I know you think that rof and reload are these insane game changers and I'll admit they can be. But if I can one tap someone to the body, I'll always take the gun that can do that over something that two taps but reloads quickly.

[sick anvil]

One taps to the body mimi

have you any other argument ?

[sick anvil]

any thins else than it does 130 damage to upper chest at 10 meters

[late wind]

Yeah. One slot. Good handling. Access to fanning. Extra ammo.

[dense fjord]

Look at that beautiful mini stock

[keen bolt]

Friggin hell that's sexc

[late wind]

It's good at like... Everyrhing.

[dense fjord]

A lot of medium slot stuff should be more stable with something like this

[sick anvil]

good handling compared to what

[dense fjord]

Idk what you call that length stock or if it even has a name

[late wind]

Medium weapons could be better I agree.

[dense fjord]

But that would make medium weapons way more juicy

At least ranged ones

[keen bolt]

And that's exactly what it should right?

[dense fjord]

Give them handling that makes it more worth trait investment

[late wind]

Oberez. Some (but not necessarily all) other pistols. Shotguns period.

[dense fjord]

In my opinion

[keen bolt]

Oh wait!

[keen bolt]

If we actually give useable handling

[late wind]

It's pretty stable. And for a one handed pistol to be more stable than two handed rifles is kinda nutty.

[keen bolt]

It would be more appealing to use than uppercut

I'm on board with the more stable medium rifle idea

[dense fjord]

I’ve pulled off good oberez shots up to like 80ish meters some people are way better at shooting than me I’m sure so that’s probably farther, but I think better sway on them would be a healthy change.

[keen bolt]

I pulled a 60-70m Obrez headshot just last night

[dense fjord]

Cause rn it’s a huge trait investment to use them

[keen bolt]

To be fair I crouched

[late wind]

It's gotta be a reasonable change though. Because if sawed off rifles can seriously rival full size rifles at longer ranges then we're back where we started lol.

[keen bolt]

Not like seriously rival but like - Better than it is right now

[late wind]

But overall medium weapons really, really could stand to not suck.

[keen bolt]

Yup

[keen bolt]

Or run a double medium meme 🤣

I swear I don't ever get to 6 star cause I ran these stupid loaodut

[dense fjord]

Yeah lol

[keen bolt]

My friend did get to 6 tho

[dense fjord]

You can get to 6 star with springfield pax lol

[keen bolt]

I like fighting 6 stars tbh as long as they don't camp

Like legit camp

[late wind]

6 lobbies are miserable.

[keen bolt]

Ambush are fine but legit camping is just pain

[dense fjord]

Well you can get to 6 with anything depending on how you play I guess

[keen bolt]

Tbh I'm more confident in my meme loaodut than my Mosin-Uppercut loadout

Just cause I ran it too much I actually land my shots

[dense fjord]

Wow could even cut the stock down by a good bit and still shoulder it well

[keen bolt]

It's a full stock there even

[dense fjord]

Right

That was bad planning on their part tbh

Bad balancing

[keen bolt]

Small shotguns are fine as they are

Some could get a tighter spread but rifles are just struggle

[dense fjord]

I pretty much agree with that

[keen bolt]

Specter compact is the worst small shotgun imo

[dense fjord]

It’s the one I used the most probably lol

I also used Romero hand cannon a good bit

I heard from someone hatchet and handcannon have same spread/damage now? But I haven’t seen that patch note so idk.

[keen bolt]

They do

[dense fjord]

Cause hatchet used to have worse spread from testing I seem to remember

[keen bolt]

Yeah it used to be worse

[dense fjord]

I like that change if so

[keen bolt]

Worst actually Xd

Now it's the same

[dense fjord]

Devs seem afraid to have some guns actually be better than others in any way

Now hatchet is actually an upgrade

Good

[keen bolt]

Yup

But really tho

For some reason

They forgot about spec com.

It has pretty much similar spread to rival

And have massively screwed capacity

(3+1) why?

[dense fjord]

I used Flechette on it a lot after Flechette dropped and loved it lol

[keen bolt]

Alternatively I love the Penny

[dense fjord]

I don’t really have an opinion on it cause that’s all the experience I have with it

I used it with mosin mostly

Really fun load out but probably not meta

[dense fjord]

I’ve come around to penny more since it gets a lot of reserve but I still don’t use it personally

Seems sided towards pve more than pvp to me

I’ve never used penny shot and I’ve used dragons breath like twice lol

[keen bolt]

Really

[dense fjord]

Only custom shotgun ammo I’m really a fan of is Flechette and slug

[keen bolt]

Penny destroys players

[dense fjord]

I like pen

[keen bolt]

It's like upgraded buckshot for small shotgun

[dense fjord]

But I know penny has higher overall damage

[keen bolt]

For big one buck is better

Due to spread

But small shotgun is used really close anyway

So less pellet hit with more damage = a kill

Meaning Penny is more consistent

For small Shotgun that's my experience so far

[dense fjord]

Nice

[keen bolt]

I penny an actual big shotgun user like 5 times yesterday

It was funny

Legit 1 tapped them

[floral vapor]

@late wind Honestly, infinite ammo would be less busted than infinite revives

I don't think it should be a thing either obv

It's rare to run out of ammo in an engagement, even when fighting boss

[keen bolt]

Yup

So we're liking the idea

[dense fjord]

@split wasp said it first but it got downvoted pretty hard don’t ask me how lol

[late wind]

Burning out 25 was not my idea. I think I said that the first time someone said something today.

[fluid locust]

I actually think that using dark sight for red skull revives is a good idea. Because if you win you always can loot the dead dudes to get your teammate up.

And assuming for some reason you don't use dark sight at all during a fight, you can at max have 5 red skull revives, 10 if it's only one dude on your team dying a bunch of times and if you're in trios.

[keen bolt]

Yup

Risk vs Reward is very fair

Burning 25 while at face value a good balance ... Last hp bar are 50 so it means if they all went down or have 50 hp they could still res with impunity

While having it reduce 50 hp and dies are terrible idea outright

If most of the team had 50 at the end of the fight

They wouldn't be able to pick up dead friend

Due to they themselves will also die

Now we brace for the loads of dislike to buff mediums XD

[hot vigil]

Dunno, if you can't push a team with two people down, I feel like there is other issue than the red skull itself.

[keen bolt]

Depends sometimes there's a ton of traps or alternatively not 2 but only 1 are red skulled

Or rifles vs Shotgun concertina case

[late wind]

I only disagree because a buff to medium slots alone is not enough to dissuade people from playing the uppercut.

I want medium slots to be better. Because currently they suck. Without a proper uppercut nerf, people will still pick it over the two slot option, which demands either quartermaster or forgoing a three slot option entirely.

[keen bolt]

Tbh I have my own experience in said regard but ofc experience in 2-3 particular rounds don't make a great arguement in debate

So I'd hold that one unless anyone ask

[keen bolt]

Oh they would I'm convinced

[late wind]

Don't mistake my postion for being against a medium buff. But that alone I believe to be insufficient.

[keen bolt]

I believe you in that but I actually really believe it will

[hot vigil]

Well, then the issue is the traps ain't it?
Usually, my experience is that people are unwilling to either push or give space for the bounty team to go out in the open.
You be surprised how few people don't just pull out of the fight for a second to see if the bounty team gonna move out in the open.

[keen bolt]

Yes this is true but when the extract is right in that compound they simply do not come out even if we pull back

[hot vigil]

Also, I don't see how buffing medium solves the issue that the uppercut invalidate most single action revolvers (unless dualied).

[dense fjord]

If you suggest nerfing uppercut reserve to 6 I’ll upvote it

Even thought I think uppercut is mostly fine

Other pistols have a lot going for them that people seem to overlook

[hot vigil]

True true, but that is the edge case, even then you can still sometimes do it.

[keen bolt]

Sometimes

[hot vigil]

Somewhat agree, yet, uppercut brings more than "big gun", it also feeds into the long ammo economy. And I agree some solution to that would to cut down the ammo pool for it.

[hot vigil]

Also if a bounty team is smart, then they start running the other direction if people camp the extraction.

[dense fjord]

@hot vigil @late wind I see you both put a thinking emote on the medium slot rifle buff suggestion. What’s keeping you from upvoting it?

[keen bolt]

If the buff is considerable enough it will outweight some people opinions on them

Thus lower uppercut pick rate for unspec hunters

[dense fjord]

It would make them more viable to trait for too

[late wind]

The idea is good. The logic behind it is not, at least according to me. So while the buff is good, it will not achieve one of the main goals of reducing the uppercut.

[keen bolt]

This exactly

[dense fjord]

You could remove that text and it would not affect the suggestion

But it does serve to challenge peoples choosing of uppercut in more scenarios that seems obvious

[keen bolt]

By making people play the obrez meaning less people would considering playing uppercut

[fluid locust]

I never have that problem. However, being able to rez someone for nothing after being burnt out is kinda dumb. The only time red skull bit me in the ass was when I killed and burnt two of the bounty team and the third guy ran and then another team came for us and while we were killing those guys he was able to sneak rez and we got third partied because of it. But that's like my only case of dying because of red skull

[keen bolt]

And make a grind / spec specifically for obrez a good investment

Thus will reduce Uppercut by competition

[dense fjord]

So choosing not to upvote an obviously positive balance change over a persons personal explanation of it seems strange to me

[hot vigil]

BC I don't think it is really gonna help the issue of the Uppercut being dominant pick for single slot revolvers.
The gun provides too much gas.

[dense fjord]

I could help you rewrite the suggestion to make it more palatable but regardless of explained reasoning it’s a good suggestion I hope that’s obvious to most people @keen bolt

[late wind]

The wording "as an alternative to an uppercut nerf" is the kicker here. As it implies that if this buff were to happen, then the uppercut would not receive a much needed nerf.

[dense fjord]

Okay

You don’t like some wording

[dense fjord]

It’s still addressing an issue with balance and variety though.

[dense fjord]

A separate suggestion could be the 6 ammo reserve

I think most people would ultimately be fine with that change

[keen bolt]

Please do

[hot vigil]

I can see that, there is also the argument that a red skull revived Hunter is still as deadly as a full health Hunter. And all it takes is one good shot, so in that way, redskull does provided a lot of power to the dynamic.
I suggested that redskull revive should be changed to a banishment deal, where you spent 3 secs or so to initiate the ritual, then it takes a hunter 1 min to get revived, so they are effectively out of the current fight.

[keen bolt]

Using seconds sounds more risk reward to me actually

And gets your friend back up fast after the fight is over

[hot vigil]

I agree, it can certainly help. Again, just haven't gotten the time to guage what scope this would change things. BC ultimately the only thing that would make people play less uppercut is them to play more obrez. Which in turn just make the game keep the same equilibrium of long ammo bloat.

[hot vigil]

Ah, didn't meant it as dark sight seconds, just that you have to interact with the body for 3 seconds.

[dense fjord]

I can’t really help you there. Long ammo is good. Although vandal and even Springfield compact will become better picks than they are currently lol

[hot vigil]

Yeah, but even if we buffed Compact Springfield and Vandal, we wouldn't see people move away from the Uppercut.

[keen bolt]

But would still have to invest in traits and yes if the implementation is going well and people opinion changed maybe then they can start working on long ammo meta

[keen bolt]

Oh this is okay

[hot vigil]

Only if we buff obrez, which I remember before pre-nerf, people would move from the Uppercut.

[dense fjord]

I think just the sway is enough

[hot vigil]

That is true, hence, the reason why I also feel it gonna change little for convincing to move away from the Uppercut.

[dense fjord]

Even if devs don’t want to do any weapon remodeling lol

Those sawn off stocks don’t make any sense to me tbh

You think you’d be able to shoulder the thing atleast

Instead of it wiggling around stock less

[keen bolt]

It would have been fine to just Buff the sway

[dense fjord]

Yeah I think sway will do it

Better handling is a big deal

[keen bolt]

Very big in fact

[dense fjord]

Better handling than now worse than full size

[hot vigil]

Think firstly you have to examine and reason why the Uppercut is picked:

• Good range.
• Provides long ammo supply.
• Good Damage.
• Small drop off.
• Reasonably Priced.

[dense fjord]

Uppercut is pricey in my opinion

[keen bolt]

Dropoff for uppercut has the same curve as Vetterli so there's that

[keen bolt]

Totally cheap if you ask me

[dense fjord]

Sure

[hot vigil]

Ah, I think all this compared to other revolvers

BC that is where it competes

[dense fjord]

I can take a Springfield and pax for less than an uppercut and perform very well though

[keen bolt]

Another problem is it also indirectly compete with mediums

[keen bolt]

I have no doubt

[dense fjord]

Cost efficiency is something I think about I guess

Even though I have 300k hunt dollars

[keen bolt]

For shotgun main uppercut is a must - which breeds the question

What is an alternative for the upp

[hot vigil]

Pax

[dense fjord]

Well

Yeah

[hot vigil]

Which is just a worse upper

[dense fjord]

Popular pick for shotgun players is pax

[dense fjord]

Faster rof and reload speed, plus more ammo, decent 2 tap range

It’s really not bad

[keen bolt]

Which has several answer

• Scottsfield direct competition ( can have fmj to have medium rifle curve)
• Pax a great option sill

[dense fjord]

Much cheaper too

[keen bolt]

And then there's medium rifle

[dense fjord]

Pax is 100 uppercut is 275

[hot vigil]

I would agree if it weren't for Dualies. They shift the dynamics of what a single slot gun should do.

[keen bolt]

Pax like uppercut is a 1 slot Winfield

Upper is 1 slot vett

[dense fjord]

That’s kind of a fair assessment

[keen bolt]

Actually it's better than unspec Winfield

XD

And I love it

[hot vigil]

I love the Pax, I play it a lot, especially with spicy bullets.
But it loses to Uppercut and it loses to Dualies, which is the two most frequent sidearm picks 😦

[keen bolt]

People doesn't like dualies to ads it seems to be the general consensus

This is doable tho

Even irl

So is this (point fire) except irl it doesn't magically add rof

[hot vigil]

Guess people thinks it as a "have you cake and eat it" issue.
Why should dualies have great hipfire, fire-rate and the ability to ADS?

[dense fjord]

I liked your idea a lot once I wrapped my brain around it

[hot vigil]

me, I'm people.

[half stag]

ngl, I sometimes opt to pick a pax instead of an uppercut for the rof and reload

especially when I'm just hard pushing and the onetap doesn't really come into play and I need the rof (or have to fend off multiple opponents)

[keen bolt]

I pick my range before going into the match (loadout only just reflect that choice)

[keen bolt]

As irl I say to have the rof reduced cause 2 guns doesn't make you shoot faster but could ads

But welp

People say it's not op to have dualies

So they want it unchanged

Besides having rng helps newbies

[keen bolt]

• what they say (that I agree with)

[hot vigil]

Will still stand on the hill saying that dualies was a mistake. Seen so many people getting out of a bad play for free bc of dualies.

[keen bolt]

I alternatively suggest remove special ammo from dualies

Even more dislike than ads idea

[keen bolt]

So pros can't abuse fmj you know...

Noobs can keep it as low skill entry gun (that was skill ceiling limited)

[hot vigil]

Eeeeh, it would change little in my eyes.

Reduce the gain of RoF would be great.

[keen bolt]

Tbh to each one have their own opinion yes

If I have made a true compromise

[hot vigil]

Make it a 3-5 points perk.

[keen bolt]

Ads + only fast hipfire (but even more inaccurate)

[sick anvil]

Whats the topic ?

[keen bolt]

Ofc it will piss off everyone xd

[hot vigil]

rn we just hate on dualies

[keen bolt]

XD

[sick anvil]

Delete em

[hot vigil]

ay!

[keen bolt]

Have you seen the pic above?

[keen bolt]

Here

[sick anvil]

Is that what we were talking about the whole time ADS those suckers

[keen bolt]

Yeah

But look at the dislikes xd

Plus crytek never would implement it

[rigid basalt]

@vague patio why did u dislike my suggestion? / what would u change on it?

[hot vigil]

I would refrain for @ people that votes.

[sick anvil]

Number of dislikes is irrelevant

we can try to bribe them

[keen bolt]

It means it will never reach crytek XD

Alternatively it means general public hates ir

It

[sick anvil]

Nope it does not

[keen bolt]

Btw I just wiped a lobby yesterday by sticking to their range and yes dualies outperforms even a slug shotgun if I have a good cover

Otherwise pretty rng

Lemat + fmj btw

[sick anvil]

When i feel do something really tupid i go and grab quad CCP all Dum dum and play COD

My normal loadout is sparks

[dense fjord]

@keen bolt Title: Medium slot rifle sway reduction buff
Description: Medium slot rifles deserve a sway reduction buff to be more relevant to the meta both in double medium slot load outs and quartermaster load outs. They should not have handling as good as their full size counterparts but should be much better than they are now. Firstly there is little reason to heavily invest traits to use a medium slot rifle like the oberez when the uppercut provides such direct competition for it with zero trait investment. The cons and competition outweigh the benefits right now and I rarely see medium slot rifles myself.

I think this change would be healthy for both weapon balance and variety in the game.

If crytek wanted to go all the way with this idea they could even make small revisions to the stocks of such weapons that it would make sense to be able to actually shoulder them.

[sick anvil]

Chiappa is a replica brand what the F is the shotgun a replica off

[dense fjord]

Lol

[sick anvil]

i know it existed i cant put a date on it

[dense fjord]

Idk but it’s badass

[sick anvil]

i want this

[dense fjord]

That’s a beautiful gun

Over unders are nice

[sick anvil]

that sir is the rolls royce of over unders

[dense fjord]

Let me guess

It’s 10’s of thousands of dollars

Like atleast 20k

[sick anvil]

depends on the options

and you are off 110K

12G starts at 130k

[dense fjord]

Bro

Just get a nitro express

Lol

They’re cheaper

[sick anvil]

if you get their over under and this one you get a pair discount and you pay 185 for both

that is .600 and 12Ga

[dense fjord]

Too much man

I’ll take a plain non fancy nitro

[sick anvil]

The difference these go up about 25% in value every 10 years

[dense fjord]

Although I’d never even get one myself probably

[dense fjord]

That’s cool

[sick anvil]

Top 3 sales from 1980s sold all for over 600K

and they all were plain about 60K buy prices

depends on the engravers work the rifle can cost you 180 and in 20 years sell for half a mil

[keen bolt]

This puts my English into shame and I'm a Lawstudent

[dense fjord]

It’s okay bro I suck at math 😆

[rigid basalt]

i feel that one 🤣🤣🤣

[keen bolt]

Lolll like Lawyers are great at that (spoiler they suck)

Math I mean

[sick anvil]

.577 ne

[keen bolt]

To be fair English wasn't my first language but even I could tell that was carefully worded

[sick anvil]

Makes me wonder if they can replicate this look and put it as legendary skin for the Nitro

[dense fjord]

I thought about asking lol

But your English is very good for a non primary language

I can understand you just fine

[keen bolt]

In fact in my country I'd get picked on for speaking English XD

They hate it when people do speak clear and concise English

[sick anvil]

Dafuq