feedback-discussion

[drifting quartz]

You are right, that's why there's FMJ

[north onyx]

even with that

[drifting quartz]

The point of it is that it gets more penetration, this game doesn't have ricochet mechanics as far as I'm aware.

[willow gulch]

https://streamable.com/xkhl7l
This needs to get fixed!!
He shoots me through the wall... brick wall without spitzer ammo.
Unless he shot me from the side, but then again, how come I didnt see him?

FIx this please

[north onyx]

@willow gulch check the killview.

@drifting quartz yes, as I said it would carry more damage through a layer of wood than a regular bullet, not magically cut through every wall ever.

[willow gulch]

I did, it was on the side... the left side.. behind the wall lol

Its weird because he wasn't visible for me, I was literally looking there.. You can see the flash, but not the player

Nope. Nothing is visible of him.. yet he sees me lol

And its not the right side peek advantage... for him its on his left side

The kill view also said that he shot me from the left

Exactly

Still I couldnt see him

When I had to right peek advantage

When is that shit gonna get fixed tho?

Its unfair

I find reddit threads that are more than a year old

Its unfair if he can see me, but I cannot see him, where I shouldn't be visible

I saw from his kill view that maybe my hand would have been visible, at most.. not my head

And the weirdest part says it wasnt through the wall

but the flash comes from the wall basically

[drifting quartz]

Wood isn't bullet proof, and the game doesn't seem to incorporate ricochet calculations. Genuinely, right, it was likely only 1 piece of wood that got penetrated and the the angle doesn't give you a precise enough point of aim.

Even at an angle, you need a lot of wood to ricochet shots.

[willow gulch]

he shoot me from there

[rigid basalt]

my thought was 4-5 points

[karmic ivy]

Left-peek asymmetry is in many games. It is intrinsic to FPS shooters. They can and will tweak it at some point.
But keep in mind, anything your enemy can do, you can do. It is still fair. And as far as positioning goes, you are the only one who put yourself in that position, since you are in control. next time try to take up a better firing position or force a change of location.

[north onyx]

@drifting quartz I didn't say anything about ricochet, but bullets, FMJ or not, gets slowed the fuck down, especially if it's shot from a peashooter like the caldwell.

[drifting quartz]

But it was a headshot right?

With the ammo that has a longer effective range?

That all checks out dude

[willow gulch]

Nope. Thats what I thought too... he was never in that tunnel. We would have seen the muzzle flash if he stood in there

Yes

No, I closed it fast cuz I got tilted

I only had the replay

If he stood in the tunnel, the muzzle flash would have been visible

I mean he was there

I looked at the kill view

I just didnt print screen it

It was after (Nvidia) gave me chance of looking at it again, and I saw that I couldnt see him at all

He literally stood where I drew him standing

But yeah, doesn't matter. Game is full of glitches and Im not gonna tell my friends buying it until they are fixed..

Im playing it, Im just not gonna recommend it to my friends lol

I'll delete my steam recommendation

[north onyx]

@willow gulch you didn't get shot through anything, there was no penetration on the recap and you could see the muzzleflash.

[fallen lichen]

nice server quality crytek nice hotfix

[willow gulch]

Exactly. Got shot through the brickwall but it doesnt register. He stood on the left side of the brick wall (not in the tunnel infront, the muzzle flash would have been much more visible in that case)

[frosty garnet]

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[karmic ivy]

Ya, its working great here on the US west server. Just played a game. 0 problems. Its stable too, that is the most important part, consistency.

[hushed pagoda]

I spend long time to reconnect pls fix.

[karmic ivy]

until they fix it, you can try to close the game and reconnect, it always works for me eventually, just not always the first time.

[little carbon]

Situation might look different on the others screen. Dont trust replay because it only shows you the perspective of your client.

[late wind]

So was the point of summons just to sell more DLC then? Because I don't really see a tangible difference between now and before it changed. Except being able to not complete occasional challenges now.

[sharp veldt]

the intention is to give the player more choice and to give more things to do while playing. this is just the first version of the Quest system, we will be adding more and such with feedback from the community 🙂

[hushed pagoda]

i did it but it wasn't fast enough. thank you for your answer

[willow gulch]

Two other glitches I got now is: I cannot pick up my arrows (this happens often)...

And another glitch is, Sticky bomb doesnt deal any damage on the spider (has happened with other bosses) but still not fixed even tho its been out for a long time

[sick anvil]

it was fixed for one hitfix

[mild tartan]

@rigid basalt I don’t think your suggestion really works for the guns in this game. For the tube magazine guns, you have the 1873, 1876, Terminus, Vetterli, Specter, Slate, Lebel, and Crown & King.
The 1873, 1876, & Vetterli can’t be easily loaded 2 bullets at a time. They all use round nose, rimmed bullets, which would be way too difficult to load two at a time if you are trying to shove them in simultaneously. Plus, they change their angle of approach to the magazine as they go in, making it even more difficult to press two in at once.
The Specter, Slate, and Crown & King can’t be loaded with 2 bullets simultaneously, the way the direction the shell is facing curves as it’s being pressed in, as well as the way it recedes past the gun’s receiver, make it impossible to shove two shells in simultaneously. Cowboy competition shooters do grab two shells from their belt at a time, but that’s because most shotgun loops used hold 2 shells per loop, but they still load the shells one at a time, and retain one in their palm while they insert the first.
The Lebel has the receiver in the way, as well as uses either round nose or Spitzer bullets with rims.
The Terminus, of all the tube magazine guns, is actually the one that can load two shells simultaneously, by placing one in the chamber, and one in the magazine simultaneously. It still cannot load two bullets both simultaneously into the magazine though.

[rigid basalt]

it would be possible i think i tired it my self with a winchester and it works fine also just having to bullets at hand instead having to grab them one by one from the pockt would also speed up the reload and i did only specifically think of winfields specter vetterli slate crown&king due to them beeing possible to load like this i forgot to include lebel in the impossible category

included the lebel in the excluded now

[mild tartan]

I have both a “Crown & King” (actually a 1945 Browning A5), and a “Specter” (actually a Bannerman 1900, the same gun but after a different company acquired the patent), and I’ve tried several times to load them 2 shells at a time, but it doesn’t work. Even giving it another shot now, the trigger guards of both get in the way of the shell in the back.

[rigid basalt]

i jsut chekcte it would be possibel for the crown atleast but the second shell needs to be angled pretty high and takes a shit load of force it would work though but u are right it sucks doing it for the winnies and the vetterli its fine though just an unused way of holding the gun

the bannerman i cant try cause i dont have one and i looked at the blueprints its not realy possible from the looks i agree with u @mild tartan

i ll change it to slate winnie and vetterli only

[mild tartan]

Consider this too though, given that the loading port on the Slate is almost identical to the Crown & King, it’s safe to say that one would be unconventionally difficult to load like that too.

[rigid basalt]

the slate has a more forward loading-port so it is possible its a classic trenchgun it works fine atleast with my replica

and also from what it looks ingame it is possible though at a lil steeper angle then on sportguns

[tribal wyvern]

@spring garnet
Try going into training mode, then into bounty/QP.
Some ppl say that can fix it.
Or is it just upon loading into the game at all?

[spring garnet]

its when the game starts everytime

like the get ready, hunt prompts

[steady hamlet]

Did you delete the entire thing, or just verify?

[spring garnet]

verify only

ill try to reinstall fully tonight

at this point its really fucking sad

the state the game is in

played since start of EA, game never had this many issues

tried launching training mode

game started, instantly crashed

[late wind]

You can 100% do it with a lebel.

[rigid basalt]

try it i wanna see u do competition style then i ll belive it cause am not stupid i looked at the blueprints for that gun its nit gonna work

[late wind]

Sprinting through the bayou getting shot at? No. But you can load two at a time at a range like you could with a shotgun.

You might have looked at the blueprints. But I own two of those rifles.

[vague patio]

lowkey, specter should be the only gun to benefit from it

i dont know, i dont care

its just the only weapon on which it would make sense balancing wise

especially with the slate now

@neat spoke you arent forced tho

you can just repeat the other summons

[fallen lichen]

i play qp on russian servers THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON. i play QP on my EUROPE server and 50% are russian !!!!!!!!!! fuckgin region lock this game already man

dude imagine liek wtf. LEGIT 1 PERSON. ALL PLAY ON EU

nope it doesnt. not in qp unless you play 3am +

i got 4000 kills in qp alone

i know when i get empty servers and thatzs never

unless ur playing 3am

[vague patio]

"i have 4000 kills, i cant get into empty lobbies"

[fallen lichen]

you both dont have enough intelligence to understand that there is no other way for me to express the amount i played quickplay. the best way is to tell you my kills so u can imagine but i didnt think you would understand. sad

you opinion is irrelevant

[vague patio]

trying to say others are stupid,while using a measurement which is irrevelant to the problem

[fallen lichen]

told you you wouldnt get it, didnt expect more

cant help you

[vague patio]

cause there nothing toget

i know, cause i have 30.000 hours in hunt

[fallen lichen]

there is much to get for experianced players... ur clearly not one

[vague patio]

you only have 4000 kills,so i dunno

i think you dont have the authority to call whos experienced with that stat

[fallen lichen]

u make no sense and ur killing my braincells. please stop. i told you that you need experience and intelligence to get it

[vague patio]

clearly someone misses experience and intelligence 😉

[fallen lichen]

yep, you bro 🙂

thanks for the chat

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quests for quickplay and for bounty hunt are not mixxed anylonger (so that we have more quickplay based quest like kill hunters wie medium size weapon or etc.)
and langendary skins are only the legendary skins quest from skins that you have OR skins that you can buy for BBs that mean no DLCs skins from steam

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[unborn smelt]

@warm zephyr There is a snol issue with making tje base nagant great again...

It shares the exact same ammo, barrel etc as the officer, so it makes very little to bo sense to perform diffrent than the officer, and the officer needs no buff to dmg nor velocity.

So really the only way to buff the nagant without making the already very good officer even better, is touching the stats that arent the samefor those two - like spare ammo or handling

[sick anvil]

Hmm so you played more hours than the game is released guess irony

[warm zephyr]

I see your point. But i think what the nagant pistol should capitalise upon is its "snappiness". By seperating the cocking of the hammer and firing, I would at least expect the hipfire to be quite accurate compared to the officer at the very least.

Though it may be a stretch, it could also be explained in a way in the lore that the officer suffers from a looser seal due to the heavy "triple action", and making it viable to shoot fast results in a significantly looser, but operational seal. On the other hand, the single action variant does away with all that by seperating the cocking and firing (which as the slow cocking would imply, a better seal), which results in a better gas seal that results in less waste of propellent, and in turn more energy behind the bullet.
my 2 cents.

[late wind]

Why are we so afraid of the officer being good exactly?

I mean, the new army is good. And with fmj it basically becomes a six shot dolch.

Can someone please explain why the officer being good is bad?

[unborn smelt]

Officer is already good

I'm not saying it being good is bad - but at some point it being even better becomes an issue

[late wind]

It'd have to get something really insane to be a problem though.

Kinda feels like an 1887 situation right now. Where it's being talked about as what it could be. Not talked about for what it is.

[unborn smelt]

Officer is very good for what it is already

Its one of the most popular sidearns since its recoil was reworked

It's got a good velocity for a pistol a decent mag a very good Rof and is pretty cheap

[crystal plume]

I think officer is already essentially better than the new army, if anything new army needs something going for it to differentiate it from being just a worse scottfield spitfire since they armmo counts are same and both support fmj

[unborn smelt]

If one were to slap 100 dmg and even better velocity on it there'd be no point to basic model 92 (its current draw is more punchy officer but shit velocity)

[late wind]

I guess if you're stuffing people it's passable. But honestly I think the New Army outshines it. Esepcially with fmj. And it's weird how the officer gets talked about, when basically every single thing about it also applies to the new army. Sans velocity I guess.

[unborn smelt]

With fmj it's a diffrent playsyle - more dmg but held back massively by velocity

The officer does the opposite, lower dmg and range but easier to hot due to velocity even further emphasized by the ability to take hv

[native lodge]

new army is mean in CQC but thats about all it does well

its bad follow up pistol, bad at mid range, with fmj and its rof up close and personal is about the only place it does well

[half stag]

the nerfs were a bit premature imo, prob should've waited till it hit live during the event to see what people thought once the "everything is op on release" syndrome passed

[native lodge]

I mean it did need the sway nerf imo

[half stag]

the sway I 100% agree

[unborn smelt]

I think both are in a great spot rn

[half stag]

everything else was a bit overkill

[native lodge]

but that would have been it

[unborn smelt]

Model 92 is great for peeps that dgaf about mv and value extra punch

[native lodge]

I use it with a winnie c HV

[half stag]

new army would be fine for sure once they get it some variants, specially the likely swift variant

[unborn smelt]

Where as the officer is for those that value velocity over raw power

2 diffrent styles of play

[steady prism]

i mean obviously... its just a nerf period

[late wind]

I can't seem to see why anyone would ever play the officer. Especially given the reload on the new army. So in terms of DA revolvers, I do think the officer needs something to compete.

As a handgun overall, it's remarkably Okay. But compared to the new army, I just don't see why it bothers existing.

[burnt mulch]

cuz it has better velocity.

[unborn smelt]

Velocity, better rof and bigger mag

[burnt mulch]

unless you need compact fmj for some reason, why take the new army over a spitfire fmj?

[steady prism]

you see... i entirely agree but most of people here will tell you that 92 is crap and its severely inferior to officer

[burnt mulch]

they’re all distinct enough shrugs

[late wind]

At pistol range velocity doesn't really matter that much. 1 extra shot doesn't balance against a crap reload. And the rof seems pretty negligible at least to me.

[steady prism]

bcs you need to grind spitfire fmj first

and you can have 92 with dumdums

[unborn smelt]

Reloaf of new army is not that much better

[steady prism]

thats also great advantage

[steady prism]

its hyperfast from empty mag

you just need to finish the mag tho

[half stag]

but spitfire is the same . . .

[steady prism]

thats true but as i said... you need to grind the spitfire first

[half stag]

you can say the same thing about 92 fmj

[steady prism]

why fmj

[late wind]

Spitfire doesn't get dumdum.

[half stag]

okay, if you think dumdum is good, that's you, I personally think its eh

[unborn smelt]

I wouldnt call either of the two hyper fast

[steady prism]

it makes you kill in 2 rounds basically

[unborn smelt]

They are goood for a revolver

[half stag]

the lack of wall pen is bad for me personally

[steady prism]

that may be an issue

[late wind]

That's what your primary is for.

[steady prism]

idrc since for wallbanging imma using primary

[half stag]

spitfire can do the same without needing custom ammo tho

[steady prism]

yes

but its slower

[half stag]

will you really be firing the new army at the maximum possible fire rate all the time? I say no

[steady prism]

basically... u take officer/92/spitfire as a close range sidearm to long ammo rifle

so at least to me it makes sense to take weapon with highest possible damage output at 10m

i dont really like officer becaause i struggle with its iron sights and its horrible hipfiring

[unborn smelt]

Meh - depends on what you value most

[steady prism]

spitfire is great

but its a bit slower

92 is affordable and you have it constantly available + its great for this CQB blasting

[unborn smelt]

91 dmg is by far enough to finish after a long ammo hit - and it has the best Rof of the bunch for fadtest 2 tap if you got the skill

[steady prism]

im not saying others are shit...

[unborn smelt]

And decent vwlocity makes hitting a followup easier

[steady prism]

its my personal viewpoint

[unborn smelt]

92 works well by itself too,in range and dmg

But 2 taps that bit slower, and is harder to follow up but has access to fmj

Spitfire i find harder to justify as its slow compared to the other 2 in rof and velocity

[steady prism]

but it has good hipfire

which is nice up close

[unborn smelt]

No it doesnt

[steady prism]

compared to those two it does

[unborn smelt]

It specifically has a bad one

Due to the shorter barrel

[steady prism]

well ye... but for me that was the first thing i ve noticed

that the crosshair is half the size of officer

i like my guns to have viable hipfire :3

main reason why i adore bornheim

[unborn smelt]

I mean okay i guess

[steady prism]

i do understand that for lots of people its not a priority

but i rather hipfire when im fighting up close

on my 55 fps when it starts blasting its the safest solution

very hard to aim when this happens

[warm zephyr]

officer dont get those buffs. period.

though, I do think that the new army's mv is too slow

[dusty pendant]

Personally, I feel the Officer is just straight better all the time unless you're running FMJ on the New Army. I could see an argument for fmj.
I am usually of the persuasion that muzzle velocity is mostly negligible, with practice of course, but it's undeniable that New Army FMJ(the No Harmy's best form imo) is almost too slow for fighting outside of compound ranges reliably. And I say that as someone who plays Crossbow regularly 😝

[half stag]

I would just like to say if you are getting that nickname from Rachta Z and the like, you can blame them for being bit with "it's op on release" syndrome and causing Crytek to kneejerkly overnerf the New Army thanks to them (and them now clamoring for the muzzle velocity to be back to what it was lol)

[warm zephyr]

I don't blame them though, it kinda is their job to exagerrate

on another note, rachta is surprisingly young. (not gonna elaborate on that)

[dusty pendant]

Yeah this is a sad reality of weapon introductions nowadays. Everything is "op" on release, lol. I mean, look at the bow

[half stag]

lmao bow only seemed "really op" due to how many people were running it (for an event too no less)

[dusty pendant]

exactly

There needs to be a wait period after weapons come to the general public before they get nerfed.

[warm zephyr]

I'd give a pass to most hunt cc for exagerrating but not jackfrags

even though he's not a hunt cc

[dusty pendant]

@deep kernel The knife does bleeding damage already if you use the light attack.

[burnt mulch]

as long as it’s slash it’ll bleed.

[dusty pendant]

@supple nimbus Have you tried different headsets? I haven't heard many reports that sound like what you describe. If not the headset, then perhaps your audio drivers are out of wack or something like that?

[deep kernel]

Should do at all. Will specify

[burnt mulch]

so why should the knife bleed on heavy hit?

[deep kernel]

Because it’s an open wound

[burnt mulch]

with that logic, every sharp melee should bleed too

[dusty pendant]

So all guns should make you bleed too? 😝

[burnt mulch]

hell, every bullet

yeah

[deep kernel]

Bullets do remain in the body most of the time cauterizing the wound itself

[burnt mulch]

bullets definitely dont cauterize wounds

[dusty pendant]

That doesn't cauterize the wound or stop bleeding.

[deep kernel]

Depends on how deep it is going

[dusty pendant]

A bullet could potentially stem bleeding if it was directly blocking a vessel of some sort, but usually do not.

It obviously does makes sense that these wounds would cause bleeding in real life, but in terms of game balance I say it makes sense to limit this to just lacerations.

[burnt mulch]

i mean the point really is: ok yeah realism is nice but its still a game and what are the implications on gameplay

[deep kernel]

Sounds weird saying this about a horror game but I would like it to get more realistic

[dusty pendant]

Balance/Fun > Realism

I love realism as much as the next guy, but balance comes first.

[deep kernel]

Im from Arma. There is no fun :]

[dusty pendant]

lol, fair

[deep kernel]

Yeah but nice discussion i see your point

[burnt mulch]

honestly idk if giving it bleed would really do anything in terms of gameplay

but it’d be inconsistent

and idk about making all the things bleed

[deep kernel]

I want you to bleed

[dusty pendant]

damn

[warm zephyr]

nitro should apply bleed by default if we’re to go by that logic

sheer size of the wound and clean penetration

[deep kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[warm zephyr]

suggested it. people didn’t like it

[deep kernel]

Meh

[warm zephyr]

trinity of destruction
nitro
avto
ck slugs

[deep kernel]

I still want a Warhammer 40k crossover. Just rampaging through the Bayou like a walking Range Rover

[warm zephyr]

bruh

unless its a new game mode

def no no in bounty hunt

[deep kernel]

Or a space marine as a boss

He could yell „die heretic“

[warm zephyr]

here is where i tell you to play other games to satisfy your fantasies and needs

this is not the game you’re looking for

[deep kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-hand-your-argument-mussolini-gif-21743071

[supple nimbus]

@dusty pendant I would think it was the headset maybe if it didn't work with other games and audio. I uninstalled and reinstalled the driver's I had and I could hear again though still not loudly (my sprint, regular walk, and crouch sounded all equally quiet. Also gunshots) Now I'm using a program called "Peace" and now I can hear things. I still need to tinker with it however because gunshots and explosions actually hurt my ears TwT

[dusty pendant]

Hrmmm, very weird uwu
Hopefully you can fix it up to sound completely normal again. Good luck to you ^^

[fair rover]

Shouldnt even bleed it shoud just always one shot i mean cmon now its ment to kill big animals it 100% can take down a hunter lol

Like i get balancing the game but it feels soo stupid when i blast someone with a nitro and he somehow lives

[queen jungle]

thanks crystek for removing the romero bug,

and adding one that makes it literally unshootable

10/10

[tight delta]

What are you referring to? The chamber emptying, and not being able to reload it?

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[burnt mulch]

@upbeat flare honestly, without video evidence, Occam's Razor says you just missed your shotgun shots.

[floral vapor]

Who doesn’t like the new army wth

[umbral garden]

who tf keeps downvoting the reskin suggestions, why would you downvote a quality of life suggestion with no negative side effects whatsoever

[floral vapor]

No clue.

[supple nimbus]

@dusty pendant thanks ^_^

[digital nacelle]

new army? personally I very much dislike it

[dusty pendant]

@wanton finch Without revenue there will be no bug fixes.

[half stag]

imo, instead of adding more dlcs and making it really obvious that they want/need more money, add in more avenues for players to spend their blood bonds so that they actually want to buy more of them, instead of just jacking up prices on everything. One big way they can get players to spend blood bonds is that character customization system that they've been saying they'll add for years

[floral vapor]

Do the other 40 DLCs not cover that?

They add more DLCs than content. At this point they’re just milking it

Not to mention it’s a paid game at its core… they’re not hurting for cash

There are years old promises unfulfilled like generic hunter customization

It takes ages for hot fixes to arrive, and even those fixes feel untested. The romero fix is great but it didn’t fix all the other single shot guns still affected by the bug like the Sparks

Items in the equipment menu can still break your LMB input and force you to alt tab until it starts working again

All the game has received since I bought it is 2 new grunts, legendary skin quests , another DLC and a heap of bugs.

[half stag]

some will say "B-BuT ThE ArT TeAm CaN'T FiX BuGs," well the art team could help in other departments besides pumping out dlc, maybe start throwing around some map ideas, boss ideas, hell maybe even resurrect some canned ideas like the tarot card system or weapon charms (they still have a bunch of unused art for these systems if you do some digging)

[floral vapor]

I don’t even mind skins if they were more proactive with content updates and bug fixes but it just feels like they’re mocking us at this point/:

[half stag]

It'd be better to invest in new systems and avenues that players can spend blood bonds on imo, instead of endlessly pumping out dlc while having the game simultaneously riddled with bugs, which negatively affect your image and make you look like you are trying to leech your playerbase for money. Least don't make it obvious while also adding cool features that people want

[floral vapor]

The community managers barely interact with the community on top of that

Maybe a handful of messages every other day that are all just pleasantries and nothing else

[dusty pendant]

The art team makes art that they're asked to design. They don't make maps and bosses, lol.

[half stag]

deisgn new maps and bosses

like concept art

ofc, I dont mean the gameplay parts of developing a new map/boss

[dusty pendant]

No. They need constant revenue. I doubt they make many game sales. At least enough to sustain the game.

[half stag]

that's the team involved with bug fixing and programming (which the art team is obviously not supposed to be doing nor likely qualified for)

[dusty pendant]

The art team makes what they're asked to make. Art departments don't design bosses that they aren't asked for.

[floral vapor]

You are grossly underestimating revenue earned from the sale of blood bonds and already existing DLC.

[dusty pendant]

Not really.

[floral vapor]

That isn’t really an excuse, that’s just poor management

[dusty pendant]

Art departments not doing other people's jobs is poor management? Yeah okay, that's a revealing statement. Ciao, lmao.

[floral vapor]

Again if they were actually consistently adding content and fixing bugs I wouldn’t mind at all, but the content updates are morsels and add bugs that never get fixed

[prime ibex]

Dolch is a pretty good pick up once and never use ever again type gun.

Hope next update they do something with the atrociousness of the Dolch.

[floral vapor]

Single shot guns are still borked, ledge collision is still messed up

You can break your LMB input while equipping items

The game is in a sorry state. They don’t care about it and they’re milking it for profit.

[dusty pendant]

Uninformed.

[floral vapor]

Ah yes

Can’t argue with me so just say ‘uninformed’ /:

W/e. I won’t bother saying I told you so.

[dusty pendant]

How does one argue with blatant misinformation and lies that cannot be proven or disproven? Lol.

Have a good night

[vast coyote]

Jesus, no headshots are registering at this point. What did you all do to the hitboxes?

[frosty garnet]

@trim sable, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
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[hexed whale]

Well my dear friend. If you look in the patch notes it is quite a hoot!

[vast coyote]

WTF? SMH

[hexed whale]

Known issues section

I was baffled

There are some real doozies in there

[vast coyote]

yeah ok, headshots, the one thing people go for most, just don't work. but we know about it.... FFS

[hexed whale]

Achieved with CryEngine 🙂

[rocky blade]

that would explain a bit if random BS i had

[warm zephyr]

ideas to throw around. but yeah nitro is actually a very late 20th century cartridge so i’m surprised they added it to the game

[keen bolt]

They could do with black powder express

Predecessor to the Nitro express

Maybe a double rifle idea?

[warm zephyr]

interesting. but the gun is literally called the nitro so…

[sick anvil]

.500 nitro express and double rifle has been around since 1890 derived from the .500 black powder express and is one of the earliest Nitro express cartridges the later .600 and .700 are the ones you are reffing to

[keen bolt]

Yup

Pretty much

But still it's late 19th and early 20th

Made for African and Indian games

[warm zephyr]

oooooh

[sick anvil]

Its is still produced because modernization of the propellant and improvements on projectiles make it a rifle that can out perform many rifles in the ranges to 100-300 meters in hunting not only dangerous game

[warm zephyr]

imagine the .500 nitro

long ammo

[keen bolt]

Nope!

That would be special

[sick anvil]

the energy carried at 300meters from the .500 Ne carries more energy than a 7.62x54R at the muzzle

[keen bolt]

Basically yeah even more powerful than the SVD dragonov

[sick anvil]

yup

[warm zephyr]

sheesh

why couldn’t they have gone with that instead

[keen bolt]

I'd be more interested in weapon balancing tbh

Dualies - Base nagant - Precisions etc

[warm zephyr]

size don’t matter 😳

[sick anvil]

the NE rifle in game is that .500

[keen bolt]

Also slugs

[sick anvil]

its nerfed to ground because balance

[warm zephyr]

ne rifle?

oh

[keen bolt]

Get us a black powder express double barrel!

[warm zephyr]

nitro express

[sick anvil]

Yes the in game Nitro express rifle is actually an Holland and Holland .500 royal double

[warm zephyr]

barrel is a lot bigger than a fifty i think

[sick anvil]

those are even made today

[warm zephyr]

interesting

[sick anvil]

yes in game i looks bigger but it is the .500

[warm zephyr]

wouldn’t that be an identical diameter as the martini?

imagine if nitro does not one shot but does 145 damage with bleed instead

so if you immediately stop bleeding you can survive

but if you have bad positioning you’re a sitting duck slow walking to stop bleed

[keen bolt]

.360 black powder express

[sick anvil]

Damage comes from energy of the cartridge .
while big and heavy carry allot of energy big and fast carry more
because Kinetic energy is one half mass times square velocity

meaning a big old .500NE that is way heavier moving at way more speed does carry way more energy and the bullet is designed to dump its energy in one target

[warm zephyr]

doesn’t it penetrate though?

if it penetrates so much it means it reserves most of its energy to keep going right

[glossy swift]

i always imagined it as the .577 nitro express

[sick anvil]

two in the middle are Martiny henry .
second picture far right is 500 NE

[sick anvil]

Nope .577 came later

577 became popular after the 50 cal ban was lifted

.500 .470 .450 577

[glossy swift]

yep like 2 years off

[sick anvil]

it was designed 1890 but it did not see much use

until 1915

[glossy swift]

A lot of people think its the .700 but 5 seconds of google says 1898

[sick anvil]

1988

[glossy swift]

and 1915 is just when the british mil used it

[sick anvil]

.600 was 1898

[glossy swift]

1988?

[sick anvil]

.700 was designed in 1988 for a rich person after H&H pledged the last .600 and never make another one

and the rich person wanted a the most powerfull Nitro express so they designed the .700

[glossy swift]

yep .700 came out way later

[late wind]

Gotta love rich people pissing contests.

[sick anvil]

Well H&H resumed chambering .600 NE in to their rifles only in the last decade again

[late wind]

I do not know my nitro rifle lore so I'll just believe that cause it sounds right.

[warm zephyr]

quantity<quality

[sick anvil]

Any H&H rifle would be in the category Quality

there is a reason they are called the best hunting rifles man makes

[warm zephyr]

size don’t matter 😳 you just need good ballistic coefficient 😀

[glossy swift]

I have a .577 nitro but didnt spend a fortune on it

[sick anvil]

Envy you

[late wind]

Can it be fired standing?

[sick anvil]

yep

you can fire a .700 standing

if you know how to shoot

[glossy swift]

stocks busted so not really

[late wind]

Not with that attitude.

[sick anvil]

Why dont you get a new stock on it ?

[glossy swift]

so regardless of what reality says itll be a .577 to me

im working on it

[sick anvil]

Who made the rifle ?

[glossy swift]

i only have ine bullet anyway

me

[sick anvil]

i guess due to the popularity of .375 and 456h&H magnum and the .500 . 577 is expensive as hell

[glossy swift]

10 dollars for a pice of brass

[late wind]

[floral vapor]

@raven crag Not for BB, they slashed blood bond earnings already, we don't need more things to waste them on

Also you could argue scope lenses impact gameplay,. it's definitely easier to see through if they're not cracked

Additionally, a criticism a lot of people have already made against the game is that it's hard to run out of hunt dollars even if you're trying (though whether that's good or bad depends on who you ask), more stuff to spend those on would be nice either way.

[keen bolt]

@little carbon how is it a bad idea tho?

[little carbon]

I like a good amount of it actually, at least the basic ideas, but i do think some points should not be in the game in the way you proposed.

1. Better tutorial: Absolutely, but i wouldnt give direct advice on how to play, instead just giving out exact data that people can learn from, ie instead of saying "Kill AI with your knife, since gunshots will alert other players" you can do something like a) Start the player in the tutorial with only a knife and lettting him aquire a gun after killing a few grunts (progressive tutorial) and b) just give the plain information: gunshots can be heard across the whole map.
   But yes, the tutorials could really give out more information.
2. Shooting range: I think that would be fine, although i do personally dislike it, i think its quite fun that you have to risk a loadout over and over again to master it. personally would enjoy a shooting range that only gives you like a winfield or a vetterli, so new players can learn the slower velocity of Hunt, but more exotic loadouts still need to be learned in action. Thats a personal opinion tho.
3. UI can be reworked in some areas definitely, and the changes you suggested are definitely a good idea.
4. Mentor System: This is my biggest issue here. This is simply not a good idea. Because a) putting new players with veterans into a squad will mean that the ELO average is driven up, resulting in a special kind of miserable match for the new player. And b), new players dont need to do everything right, its to be expected that the other teams on the map make the same mistakes. I would say tho that the game stops considering you to be new a bit too fast. Maybe they could add a negative ELO modifier to new people after new player protection ends, that slowly phases out through 50 to 100 hours of playtime.
5. QP Lock: A rename should be fine itself. Also a bigger warning about there not being mmr matchmaking in this mode

[keen bolt]

Ah yes I'll change the tutorial Idea

Shooting range is ok - maybe that I'll be making it 'only owned guns' idea

Ui is ok

Mentor system might be ok Addition - as tarkov had it

How do you think mentor system should be?

Or should it not exist?

[little carbon]

Honestly, i dont think it should exist. In Tarkov it can work better because it is not trying for matchmaking at all so player skill difference isnt a concern. In Hunt you would need to give someone new a veteran of their own skill, and thats just unlikely

At least i dont have a good idea how it could be cleanly implemented

[whole solar]

Hello everyone, I think that this game should have a bot mode, just for practice and to train yourself, I'm not too good in Hunt cause I can't play it a lot but I really like this game, I wish that one day Crytek will put a bot mode just for fun with friends and less demoralization

[floral vapor]

It should have a bot mode just so we don’t have to rely on central servers

[keen bolt]

Finally an opinion from new players!

[floral vapor]

Once Hunt is no longer supported by crytek the game is just gone unless they do something to allow offline play or give out source code

[raven crag]

It’s ok to spent bb for cleaning weapons, why not for fixing lens?

[floral vapor]

I don’t like it for weapon cleaning either. Don’t put words in my mouth. It used to cost hunt dollars

[raven crag]

It’s in game from beginning, where do you spent bb then?))))

[fluid locust]

It never cost hunt dollars. Before 1.0, cleaning your weapon was never a thing.

[floral vapor]

Additionally, fixing the lenses to have a clearer sight picture actually effects gameplay, unlike weapon cleaning, and weapon cleaning can be done free with map loot

We already have dozens of skind to use bonds on, and the devs have been slashing our ability to earn them through gameplay already

[floral vapor]

My mistake

[fluid locust]

I wish it cost hunt dollars though lol. But ever since it was introduced reshuffle, removing traits, and cleaning weapons has always cost BBs.

[floral vapor]

I don't think any of those things should cost BBs, the devs have been progressively trying to get new players to burn through their bonds on non-skin items

[raven crag]

You can buy fresh weapon with intact lens for hunt dollars, but if you spent bb for cleaning snipers it’s totally unuseful, and there is no point to pick up them in qp or from bodies.

[floral vapor]

What's your point?

[fluid locust]

Yea. That was before they started the more predatory monetization tactics too. Idk who the cleaning and stuff was geared towards since like I don't think I know anybody that has ever done that on purpose.

[floral vapor]

I'm saying I like your suggestion, just not using bonds to fix the sniper

[raven crag]

That cleaning for bb snipers is unuseful, if it will fix lens will be good

[floral vapor]

I've cleaned guns from map loot, but I never even noticed a difference.

[floral vapor]

Yes and I'm saying it shouldn't cost blood bonds, gameplay related features should NOT be tied to premium currency or DLCs, and that's more of a general statement.

[raven crag]

You can earn premium currency in game man

[floral vapor]

At a massively reduced rate to what you used to be able to.

It's irrelevant, if you can pay for it, it shouldn't effect your gameplay in any way.

The only exception is the legendary hunters, as they don't technically give a gameplay bonus despite it being arguable that they help you blend in.

[raven crag]

There is few ways: summons, 5 concussive extraction, cash registers and sacks, oh AND fckng main gameplay: killing hunts or bosses)))

[floral vapor]

It doesn't matter, if you can pay money for the premium currency, that currency should not touch gameplay in any conceivable way. Legendary hunters can only be argued to affect gameplay by proxy, whereas cleaning/repairing a lens is a direct gameplay advantage.

We don't have enough to spend hunt dollars on.

It would be best if it cost hunt dollars.

[raven crag]

You want to drop game(I saw one of your suggestion ideas) and not launch it, why r you still mad about suggestion?

[floral vapor]

Jesus fucking christ

[raven crag]

Let make legendary hunts for dollars

Skins for dollars

[floral vapor]

It's almost like the entire reason I'm not playing is because they've repetitively tried to include predatory monetization practices

[raven crag]

And delete bbs from game

How about that?

[floral vapor]

That isn't what I said, and you know that. If you're going to be disingenuous I'm just not going to continue the discussion with you.

[raven crag]

As you wish

[keen bolt]

@raven crag man you are quite radical in your ideas

[raven crag]

Why not?

[keen bolt]

Not a bad thing tho but I agree with @floral vapor more on the matter

[raven crag]

I’ve got 200k+ money

[keen bolt]

Kinda like removing traits with blood bonds

[raven crag]

Where can I spend them?

[fluid locust]

I wouldn't be surprised if more people start doing that tbh

[raven crag]

Just buy hunts with useful perks

[keen bolt]

I think he meant - allow player to fix broken scope with hunt dollar

[floral vapor]

I recommend people who are upset actively protest by leaving a negative review detailing their complaints, that's the biggest way to influence devs these days.

[keen bolt]

Which isn't a bad idea?

[floral vapor]

And just stop playing until things get better.

[keen bolt]

That's also radical

[floral vapor]

The devs don't care any other way.

[fluid locust]

money talks

[floral vapor]

If it doesn't directly influence their bottom line they do not give a fuck.

[raven crag]

They don’t give a f, just pay for new dlc, you know that they will continue to do that, like everyone here)

[keen bolt]

They are probably on it I guess - but yes I agree the game is in a sad state right now

[normal horizon]

that isn't true

[raven crag]

Ahah)))

[floral vapor]

The game is in a sad state.

It's not getting better, it's getting worse.

[keen bolt]

Nice to get an assurance atleast :/

[floral vapor]

The single-shot weapon bug was only fixed on a single gun

[raven crag]

That’s true

[normal horizon]

that does not mean we don't care without you asking people to leave a negative review and stop playing

[floral vapor]

I love Hunt but things are going the wrong direction, and I'm sick of being ignored

[vague patio]

lol

[keen bolt]

Nixa is art team right? Not the coding team?

[floral vapor]

Yes

He's just playing damage control

[keen bolt]

I'm just asking

[raven crag]

Just fix the game, don’t made more dlc or monetization ways, how about that?)

[floral vapor]

Man you are wildly confusing

[normal horizon]

how would we fix the game then

[floral vapor]

You could start with the single shot hammer cocking bug that affects most of the single shot rifles, not just the romero

[vague patio]

just fix it!

[keen bolt]

Btw if you're in the Art team please make a new map xd

[vague patio]

ez

[raven crag]

Ahaha it’s not free to play, it cost money

4 years passed

[floral vapor]

We get more cosmetic DLC than we do content updates, and the content updates we do get include premium currency features or incentives to purchase DLC for a reward

[raven crag]

How you can fix it? Maybe hire more devs, not monetization managers or artists?)

[floral vapor]

Crytek does not fucking care, they just want our wallets and it's sad they're sending a JR DIGITAL ARTIST to play damage control

[normal horizon]

I meant without money to pay the developers who fix things

😄

[floral vapor]

You hide behind that excuse, it would be valid if you were actually consistently fixing bugs and adding content but you're not

The content updates are minuscule and add more bugs than they fix

[vague patio]

they are tho

like

[floral vapor]

Last time they added anything they made the game unplayable for a week

[vague patio]

literaly yesterday

[floral vapor]

Still haven't fixed that single shot cocking bug

[raven crag]

Btw game was better before Denis Swartz get on board)

[vague patio]

he always was on board

[floral vapor]

Nah, most of the single shot weapons still broke, the only one that got fixed was the romero

You can still break LMB input by equipping/unequipping some items on your hunters

Got to tab out and back in to fix or restart your game

[keen bolt]

Can we stop like insulting eachother for now? - and like ask for a next development plan - something only guy from crytek can answer

[vague patio]

"there is a bug, therefor bugs never gez fixed"

[floral vapor]

There's a bug report channel full of posts but those bugs never get fixed

[floral vapor]

Years-old promises like customizing generic hunters are still unfulfilled

It's not just bugs, but that's a bulk of the complaints

I get that you like the game, but you don't have to shill

[vague patio]

its almost like programming is work

[floral vapor]

That's an excuse they've hid behind for too long

[vague patio]

i dont shill

[floral vapor]

If you make promises you don't keep you don't get to say that.

[vague patio]

"excuse"

[floral vapor]

Programming is hard, lying to your players is easy.

[vague patio]

like, its just straight up fact

[floral vapor]

I'm well aware of the reality of game development, but that doesn't mean they should get a pass for increasingly predatory monetization and unfulfilled promises.

[keen bolt]

Wait a month for now

They already say they start to fix it right?

[floral vapor]

"Waited a month" for a long time mate

[keen bolt]

Tbh if it ain't I'm also off too

So there is that

[normal horizon]

Monetization changes are being made because of being relient on base game sales which are not a way to sustain the game for the time we would like. This will have more indepth info in the upcoming monetization blog post

[fluid locust]

I used to defend crytek but the bugs have been getting kinda out of hand. That last render bug was game breaking.

[vague patio]

this discussion is prob the reason why that stuff doesnt happen. devtalk gets ripped apart, "looking into" will become "definitely will be added"

[floral vapor]

I'm expecting them to double down

Can't wait for them to double down on implementing blood bond costs to more gameplay features than perk removal

Can't wait for them to totally remove contract bonuses for BBs

[keen bolt]

So you mean ... We should...errr I'm not following you there btw

[floral vapor]

It's coming, just you wait.

[keen bolt]

By that time I'm long gone into Interchange and drink some coffee in Woods

[vague patio]

im saying, players demonize the devs and put words in their mouth and talk themself into false promises

[floral vapor]

I don't like tarkov either, the crap they pulled with the gamma cases being tied to the price you paid for the game

[floral vapor]

And players will lie on behalf of the devs, too.

[normal horizon]

the future plans of the game are discussed in dev streams now instead of update overviews 🙂 usually these end up on youtube aswell

[keen bolt]

Oh yeah true that also

[vague patio]

one thing to dislike the game and whats added, another to shittall devs and make speculative asdumptions

[keen bolt]

There's 2 end of the spectrum

[wind stream]

!plans

[marsh garden]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/developer-update-what-s-next-for-hunt

[normal horizon]

thanks Ahorn

[floral vapor]

It's fair speculation considering that they've been progressively getting more and more predatory already

I'm already at a point where I'm just done, speculation aside.

Devs don't care about anything but our wallets.

[raven crag]

Lul

[keen bolt]

Btw please tell the other dev about rebalance because it's also another unrest people are having right now (and not to 100% trust exactly what people say when play testing : #nerfslate for example they mean nerf slug)

[normal horizon]

Community managers take all the sentiment across platforms from people and take it to the devs 🙂

[vague patio]

so... nixa gets a promotion?

[floral vapor]

Find that hard to believe

[normal horizon]

that is fine

[raven crag]

If you’ll fix bugs player base will grow, but you prefer to milk existing player base instead

[normal horizon]

there needs to be both bug fixes and content

[vague patio]

yea

[normal horizon]

you can't just do one or the other

[vague patio]

there a special kind of insanity to directly talk to a dev like that

[floral vapor]

It's not even that they don't fix bugs, it's that the bug fixes seem to be untested themselves and cause more bugs half the time, and the bug fixes are massively outweighed by the amount of bugs currently in the game

[floral vapor]

I'm "insane" for criticizing a studio while a dev is present

Ah yes, logics

They're not gods.

[vague patio]

literaly not talking about you

[raven crag]

Smol indie studio))

[floral vapor]

They are "technically" indie

[normal horizon]

you can criticize aslong as it stays constructive

I am also only someone that makes videos

I can't give you guys any answers that hasnt already been answered on streams or blogs

[raven crag]

Videos are good

Game isn’t

[wind stream]

video about me in hunt when?

[normal horizon]

who are you again?

[wind stream]

Im me

you know

not you

[normal horizon]

nice to meet you

[wind stream]

thank you, but Im me

[vague patio]

btw did you do the lonely howl video?

[normal horizon]

I did not, I was working on the quest and grunts video

[vague patio]

uh

anyway, whoever did, tell that one was good.

[normal horizon]

I'll pass it on

appreciate the compliment 🙂

[raven crag]

“Don’t blame devs, they do nothing wrong, blame yourself - you don’t pay enough!”

[vague patio]

felt more fluent and believable

[vague patio]

• noone

anyway im out, i can only stand so much of this server at a time

[keen bolt]

Guys...

I know they did a bad job but this isn't constructive at all 😥

[floral vapor]

Bro it’s like you flipped a complete 180

First you were saying I should pay more now you’re dogging on monetization

You confuse me

[raven crag]

It’s just a joke, it’s in quotation marks

Btw I heard that they have plans to make dirty weapon less likely to be as accurate as clean)

[crystal plume]

And where have you heard this?

[raven crag]

You will find them and punish?))

[crystal plume]

No I am curious because afaik it is not the case and don't want misinformation spread around

[raven crag]

If it’s untrue - Good, but time will show)

[bronze quail]

Just tell us where you read it, it's not that hard

Is better to share only verified info instead is saying "i heard somewhere from my cousin"

[floral vapor]

@bronze quail ?

End-of-life planning is a serious concern for any live service title, ESPECIALLY one that costs money

[bronze quail]

I was talking to the other guy

[floral vapor]

No you downvoted

Why would you not want the game to get proper end-of-life support

[bronze quail]

Cause i don't think that a bot mode would be a good idea

[steady prism]

@tidal moss nicely done sir... have my upvote

[floral vapor]

That isn't specifically what I asked for, though

It was a single example of many potential solutions

And again, I don't know if it's fair that people who are interested don't get to play if they've got poorer connections, but that's not necessarily what I was discussing either.

[bronze quail]

I don't think that an offline mode would work. Hunt is going to die like every other game, when servers will go offline I'll stop playing it like other game that had the same fate. I shouldn't play hunt anymore if it's offline. Hunt is a pvp first, then a PvE, the only way to keep it alive is by keeping servers alive.

[steady prism]

this

[floral vapor]

I strongly disagree with the idea that we should just let the game die, a source code release is an equally viable solution and costs the devs nothing. Game preservation is extremely important, even for live services.

Mind you, a source code release would come after servers shut down

Not before.

[wind stream]

the claim that hunt is on life support, when the player count is steadily increasing and the devs announced plans to add additional content is also a really weird way to start

[bronze quail]

So, if they find a way to keep servers running im fine with that, but im pretty sure that a huge part of the player base would drop the game after the servers going offline. It's not worth to invest into offline mode only to keep an old game "alive"

[floral vapor]

All live service games are.

When crytek is done, the game will die.

They have all the power to make the game unplayable at any time.

[wind stream]

I think we just have very different definitions of the term life support

[floral vapor]

What I mean by life support is that the game is reliant on the devs maintaining a central server, not that the game is dying any time soon.

The above is undisputable fact, it is reliant on the devs.

[wind stream]

sure, but then you might want to rephrase that

[floral vapor]

That's a fair point.

[steady prism]

yes we understand that... but why are you bringing it up now?

[bronze quail]

Life support = devs are still creating content until they can't +-

[floral vapor]

Because it's an important topic

[steady prism]

not really

its important topic when end is imminent

[floral vapor]

Game preservation is the most important aspect of a live service, bar none.

[steady prism]

so far id say its quite distant future

[bronze quail]

Well, for producers is not that important

Unless is their only way to keep crytek alive

They make games and they keep updating it until they reañise that they can't make money from it anymore. And when that day comes they will move to another project

[floral vapor]

Releasing source code is free

It's free and doesn't cost them any resources

[steady prism]

imma tell it like this... Hunt lives because of two sole reasons....

1. There is no comparable game at the market rn
2. It has very well made aesthetics, which is simply amazing

[floral vapor]

I'm not saying the game is dying

[bronze quail]

Not every producer wants to reales their source codes

[floral vapor]

I'm saying eventually it will

[floral vapor]

That doesn't mean that's a good thing, it does them no harm in any conceivable way.

If anything it would harbor player good will

Player good will is invaluable

[steady prism]

you can argue that hunt will die as soon as someone wwill make a similar game thats better optimized and actually offers more mechanics and features... and i can tell you that there will be A LOT of people leaving hunt for something that doesnt crash three times per round...

but the theme will stay and thats also big reason why people keep playing...

[floral vapor]

Why are you acting like I said hunt was going to die soon

I never said that, not once

I did say that end of life planning should be in consideration, even now

[steady prism]

because thats what is implied by your suggestion...

[floral vapor]

No, it isn't.

I directly stated "It could be a decade, even longer"

[steady prism]

and im telling you it isnt because its irrelevant

[floral vapor]

It isn't irrelevant.

Killing games is a horrible thing.

[steady prism]

thats true, but you are not the one in power

[floral vapor]

So what?

[steady prism]

those who pay the devs are

and they dont care if a game dies or not...

[floral vapor]

I'm not hearing good reasons not to plan for end-of-life, just legal ones

[steady prism]

wwe live in late stage capitalism wwhere things are done ONLY if it brings profit

[bronze quail]

Who cares about players, they are a company who wants to make money. Hunt is not generating money anymore? Fuck it let's move to another project.
Obviously they want to keep it alive for the longest time possible , but keeping it alive after is actually dead is not worth.
They can still release source code ecc obv but that's another thing imo

[steady prism]

and my keyboard is dying 😦

[bronze quail]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

[steady prism]

this

[floral vapor]

It's like you want to be burned by corporations

[steady prism]

so be glad that they create crapton of DLCs

thats the main reason why we can keep hunt

[whole solar]

Easy to say when you play it a lot and you are a good player, I can't play it a lot for work so I suggest a bot mode and I think it's not impossible

[steady prism]

no i hate this practice and im severely against this kind of behaviour... but you need to compromise

if you want to make a big game, that people will love and play, you either have to be enormously rich or get loads of sponsors

and sponsors are not gamers... they dont care what you do with the money... they want results

[floral vapor]

There is no compromise, killing games is a bad practice and can be avoided for free for absolutely zero effort when the servers go down by releasing the game's source code for the community

there is never a good reason for a game to die, nor a reason to defend killing games.

[steady prism]

im definitely not defending killing games... im explaining how it works in reality

[floral vapor]

But you're not

[steady prism]

howw am i defending it?

[floral vapor]

Making excuses for the developers who kill games when again; there is a free and no-effort solution sitting on every single computer of the developers

[bronze quail]

@steady prism i actually stoped playing hunt, gane is trash atm. And just to be clear, hunt is not a PvE.

[steady prism]

same... i dont play atm because all of my friends swore to never launch it again

[floral vapor]

Game is definitely in a sorry state

[steady prism]

wwhich wwill hopefully change in feww patches

[floral vapor]

I recommend anyone who's dissatisfied drop a negative review explaining your complaints in a constructive manner

Just saying the game is ass and the devs need to do better doesn't really help

[whole solar]

yes indeed is Pve, it's a Pve/PvP game, so why not put a bot mode?

[steady prism]

thats not really helpful to the survival of game...

[floral vapor]

It can influence change directly.

[steady prism]

its PvPvE

notice that E is at the end

[floral vapor]

How else are we supposed to get the point across to devs who don't have any interest in listening to the community when we play nice

[whole solar]

Don't care where is the E, it's Pve also indeed

[bronze quail]

What if devs don't want to release the source code? Are there valid reason to not doing that? (Real question)

[floral vapor]

No there really aren't, it doesn't harm them and any engine information is irrelevant because they license out cryengine as it is

[steady prism]

there is number of community managers who are paid to go through all of the shitstorm that happens here or at any other media like FB or Reddit

[floral vapor]

It's not like they're using a proprietary engine

[steady prism]

they can see it very well...

[floral vapor]

And look at how bad of a job they're doing now

It's not fucking working

[steady prism]

if you go and drop a bad review on steam, people would just not buy it

[bronze quail]

Pvp first, the PvE. Pve is only a secondary thing and the PvE fight system is kinda trash, just take a knife and you can kill almost every single mister, is not challenging and it gets boring after 2 banishes.

[floral vapor]

Give an inch they take a mile

[steady prism]

you never know... maybe they are doing there job properly... maybe they relay everything to higher places....

[floral vapor]

The community managers could be doing a wonderful job but it's not inspiring change

[steady prism]

but there can be lots of reasons why the game doesnt work...

[floral vapor]

That's my point

[whole solar]

Infact in bot mode you can put bot hunters, not just monsters

[bronze quail]

Kk, but as i said, im fine with releasing source code

[steady prism]

you can but i wouldnt play it

same reason why i wouldnt play PUBG

[whole solar]

You, not me

[steady prism]

if i wwant to club bots, ill launch a game thats made specifically for clubbing bots... like L4D or Payday

[floral vapor]

Okay?

[steady prism]

im just telling him my POV

[floral vapor]

I'm probably not alone in saying that I would love an offline mode, especially because my internet is unreliable

[steady prism]

u get training tho

thats basically PvE

[floral vapor]

It's just not the same though

You can only get one boss, on one map

[steady prism]

yes thats a bother i agree

they could have just make it randomised

[whole solar]

You have your idea, me mine idea, different point of view but I'm not asking something incredible

[steady prism]

ye i agree

[bronze quail]

With their super ai? Dogs are bugged since beta, imagine making bots shooting and behaving like real players

It's an huge amount of work

[crystal plume]

Offline mode would be fine as long as it doesn't tie into normal progression, but even then I don't see it as a priority atm

[steady prism]

AI is the worst part of Hunt atm if i dont count the optimalization issues

[floral vapor]

A separate progression system for offline would also be cool, the main draw of a mode like that is again for users who have poor/unreliable connections or end-of-life playability

Not a priority right now, but I don't think it should be kept off the table

[steady prism]

id just decrease the rewards severely...

[whole solar]

A huge amount of work maybe, bu not impossible

[whole solar]

I agree

[floral vapor]

Eh, some people would just farm rewards that way. Black Ops 1 had a cool idea; a "training" mode where you fought bots in custom matches and could unlock everything in the game separately from the actual multiplayer

Was a lot of fun, especially when your xbox live ran out

[bronze quail]

I would play hunt offline only if made really well like aki tarkov

I would play it as a training, but it's not a priority atm

[floral vapor]

Not atm, but definitely something to be considered if/(hopefully) when the bugs and major issues get ironed out

[steady prism]

whats bad with that?

[floral vapor]

Players who don't know how to PvP showing up into the bayou with all the other high levels with maxed out gear could cause some slight issues I reckon

[bronze quail]

it is cause atm they have thousand of priorities like you know... fixing the whole fucking game. In an ideal world where hunt works perfect maybe making a good AI would be possible

[floral vapor]

Instanced progression is just a cool idea, honestly. Being able to progress through the game at the "correct" pace without breaking your progression in the main game is something I'm fond of

[steady prism]

i mean you are not matched depending on your gear

you are matched depending on your mmr

[floral vapor]

That's true, but you'll still be low MMR

Low MMR with much better gear than most of the other low MMR players

[steady prism]

yes

[floral vapor]

Is that not a problem?

[steady prism]

better gear that you cant really use

[floral vapor]

You can use it on the other players in low MMR games

[bronze quail]

nah, the only way to implement an offline mode is by making it totally separate from the main game, like bo1 as posh said

[floral vapor]

It's fair to say most people in 2-4 star are generally below bloodline rank 60

If a level 100 showed up and brought in avtomats and such, it'd be a little busted

It already happens a little bit, but it would become much, much more common

[steady prism]

wwell i mean idrc since i wont be playing it... so i have no words in this matter...

[floral vapor]

God I would play the shit out of a PvE only Hunt spinoff, like a campaign or repeatable mission style monster hunting game

Ideally it'd have more than a few bosses and enemy types as present though

[steady prism]

honestly they could have remade trials into some sort of campaign

[floral vapor]

Otherwise it'd get old quick

Trials is fun, but only for the 1-2 star completions, 3 star completions are just pain

[steady prism]

but that basically means making a whole new game...

[floral vapor]

Yeah that's kinda why I lean more towards spinoff territory

[steady prism]

and tbh they are struggling hard with making this one work

[floral vapor]

Originally the game was going to be a 3rd person co op game, which I hate the idea of 3rd person for Hunt but the co op seemed cool, problem is they started running out of money

So they started reusing assets and made Hunt as we know it

[bronze quail]

i think that the only way to make a single player playable is by adding hunter controlled by a very good AI

[steady prism]

id not touch it with a stick if it was 3rd person

[bronze quail]

Something like scavs on tarkov (but without the aimbot of tarkov scavs lol)

[floral vapor]

I was thinking Co-op, but Hunt is already very playable Solo, and honestly I think it's more fun because it's more like a horror title

Although it's a million times harder, not having the chance for a revive is brutal

Gotta employ dirty tricks like body burning if you want to survive

[bronze quail]

i think that the pve on hunt is easy and boring

even if they make stronger enemies or more enemies the whole fight system is still boring and super easy

[floral vapor]

I love the PvE I just wish there were more enemy types

[bronze quail]

hunt does not have a real and deep pve fight system

[floral vapor]

The new grunts are... fine? But they don't add anything different

They're just another flavor of an enemy we already have

[bronze quail]

it wouldnt change that match imo
use the knife for the grunts, duster for the immo ecc ecc and reapeat and repeat and repeat

[steady prism]

not only that, fights are extremely repetitive, easily cheesable and AI is extremely unpredictable

[bronze quail]

this is the whole hunt pve system in a nutshell

[bronze quail]

ai unpredictable?

[floral vapor]

Agree to disagree, I enjoy bashing heads presently, biggest complaint is the lack of variety

[steady prism]

yes... they target something and they almost never change their target

[bronze quail]

i think that you'll get bored of knifing grunt in the head, even if they make different grunts

[steady prism]

or they target something way behind you...

or someone makes a noise, which sets them into alert stage and they start bashing a player that has been sneaking nearby

[floral vapor]

I'm not saying they should make different grunts...?

I just crtiicized the grunt additions for not really bringing anything new to the table

[bronze quail]

cause i think that on the pve side there is nothing new that can be added

[floral vapor]

I mean... that's just that you lack imagination

[bronze quail]

i mean, pve is a side thing, they cant make too challenging ai

[floral vapor]

I'm sorry if that's rude but there's a lot of things that could be explored especially with the voodoo themes

[steady prism]

theres a lot of stuff that could be added...

[floral vapor]

That's why I'm hoping for a sequel/spinoff/etc?

[steady prism]

rn the horror theme comes from ai looking kinky... but you are not scared of it

[bronze quail]

everything needs to killable on the same ways, knife and dusters and bla bla

[floral vapor]

It's possible they may eventually go back to the co-op idea they started with

We'll just have to wait and see

[bronze quail]

everything more harder would be a pain in the ass for the game

[floral vapor]

Remember, Hunt Showdown became a PvP game because they were running out of funds

[bronze quail]

ai is already annoying, i wouldnt like it to be more annoying

[steady prism]

i dont mean something thats killable differently... i mean something that behaves like nothing else

[floral vapor]

By that logic we shouldn't get new bosses because all bosses can be shot

[steady prism]

something like Cougars or Boars pouncing you, knocking you prone

[floral vapor]

NO

NO

Bad

We don't do stun mechanics here

[steady prism]

or maybe even something thats hanging from the ceiling to jumpscare your pretty face...

something that makes you alert throughout the game

[floral vapor]

But yes there is definitely a lot that can be done with Hunt's setting, it's just that the server infrastructure and the AI isn't suited for it as it stands

[steady prism]

rn its running simulator with extra steps...

[floral vapor]

Again, I'm mostly hoping for them to return to the co-op idea in future

[bronze quail]

for me, what makes pve boring is the way i have to kill mobs. After thousand of hours you just stop caring about mobs, its all automatic and annoying most of the times. Shot the hive, knife the gunt, punch the immo ecc ecc. I dont really care if they add more enemies if the only way i have to kill them is like all the other ones, but i neither want more challenging ai cause i'm actually kinda annoyed of ai

[floral vapor]

I don't expect Hunt's AI or anything to get massive overhauls presently, especially because they're designed more to be dangerous around enemies but manageable on their own

[bronze quail]

pretty much, i dont really care about bosses, i mean, if they add something different ok, but getting another pounching bag with a different name and shape is not biggest desire

[bronze quail]

this

[floral vapor]

I'm not saying we shouldn't get new enemies at all, not by a long shot

though I'm really sad that scrapbeak is just butcher 2

I was hyped for that and very disappointed on its release

It really is just the butcher but plague doctor mask

[bronze quail]

i dont like scrapbeak

at all

cause its the only boss that is totally different than the other bosses in a very annoying way

[floral vapor]

Wym? He’s the most derivative boss as of yet

Nearly 1:1 with butcher but he drops loot

And concerntinas

He’s just another big boi that runs straight at you and gives you a debuff with a rage animation

[bronze quail]

is the only boss that blocks places inside the layer (concertinas)
is the only boss that removes every resource from the whole compound forcing you to kill him slowly cause if you sticky bomb or burn him you get fucked with no ammo and resources
is the only boss that almost every time forces you to be loud cause is full of crows everywere and there is almost no way to kill him without setting off crows
is the only boss way more loauder than others putting you on an huge disvantage if you get pushed while killing it.

I mean, i dont really care about that, i'm a kind of run and shoot player, no stealth and stuff, but i dont like it being way more annoying that every other boss

[crystal plume]

I wish scrapbeak only affected a % of the loot around the compound, not all of it

[floral vapor]

This I agree with

I like scrapbeak I just wish he behaved differently to butcher in terms of AI

[crystal plume]

Not leaving any ammo or such for the people outside just encourages bounty camping even more

[floral vapor]

He does exactly the same thing butcher does, run at you, swing, rage.

He just has a little bit of spice added

Or rather taken away, seeing that he doesn't use fire afaik?

Actually he might throw mollies

[bronze quail]

i think that they should either put him in line with the other bosses or make the other bosses in line with the scrapbeak

i prefer the first option obv

[floral vapor]

Nah I disagree hard on this one, but that's alright, fair to have a difference in opinion

[bronze quail]

why having a totally different boss that is way more annoying that every other boss

specially on an rng game where i cant decide what contract to play

so, make scrapbeak easyer like other bosses or make other bosses annoying than the scrapbeak

[little carbon]

Scrapbeak is probably one of the most consistent quick kills among all the bosses. Maybe except self burn assassin. So I wouldn't say he is harder then other bosses

[bronze quail]

i said annoying

its different

[floral vapor]

The biggest draw to the game for me was hunting monsters (as cowboys), it would suck to see them totally ditch the one unique trait scrapbeak has

If he was “more in line” with other bosses he would just be a low health butcher

[little carbon]

^in response to this line

[bronze quail]

read the all other lines and you would understand what i was meant to say

[bronze quail]

as i said, make it like other bosses or make the other bosses annoying like him

i'm not asking to remove his annoying traits, but at least make other bosses in line with him

[floral vapor]

"They're the same picture"

Hold on let me find it

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[little carbon]

And again, don't think he is really more annoying.
For example, Blocking lair is something that spider does as well. And if you are somewhat consistent you can actually manipulate him into not using his concertina with a high likelihood.
And generally you just list the facts that make him unique. One could just switch your argument around and say "assassin is the only one that clones" or "spider is the only one who can pounce and disable you, making you an easy kill"

[bronze quail]

i'm not talking about the behavior or the killing part, i mean all the bosses are like take an axe and kill them, they are all almost equal

[floral vapor]

Honestly imo Scrapbeak is already too similar to butcher

[bronze quail]

and scrapbeak is the only boss that deletes all the fucking resources from the whole compound

[floral vapor]

But he drops resources at 3 different intervals during the fight

[bronze quail]

and it cant be compared to every other boss

[bronze quail]

and forces you to kill him slowly and you depend on rng

[floral vapor]

He can also drop actual loot like money and bloodbonds

[floral vapor]

Not really? Just take a semi-reliable melee like throwing axes or heavy knife

Hell even a saber or axe

[bronze quail]

cause sometimes drops ammo boxes and sometimes you get fucked cause he sets himself on fire and you get 10 lanterns an nothing more

[bronze quail]

this is what i mean for killing slowly

[floral vapor]

I've never had an issue with scrapbeak,

[little carbon]

Please elaborate on that. Why slowly? He can be killed really quickly if you know how to. With just a knuckle knife

[floral vapor]

You're asking to take away the only thing that makes him unique from butcher, being his concertina and the way he drops loot

[bronze quail]

so are you saying that using a knukle knife is the same as using a sticky bomb?

[floral vapor]

No he never said that

[bronze quail]

i'm asking to take away the whole stupid resource thing

[little carbon]

I mean, assassin is also immune to the sticky

[bronze quail]

i have to fight with 0 ammo and resources cause the boss ate all the resources

and dropped only a medikit and 5 beartraps cause of random rng

[little carbon]

If you don't explode him you are pretty much guaranteed to get some supplies

[bronze quail]

s o m e

means nothing

cause its random

[unborn smelt]

He is not

It takes some effort but you can sticky him too

[little carbon]

I know, but it's impractical

[unborn smelt]

Well thats a big diffrence tho

[little carbon]

I should have phrased more clearly

[unborn smelt]

Between impossible and impractical

[little carbon]

Same way that scrapbeak is also not immune to the sticky but it's also mostly a bad idea to explode him

[floral vapor]

Again, it's not stupid. I don't like that it's 100%, but it's a novel idea and in practice isn't a big departure, unless you're new those resources are almost irrelevant.

I would be in favor of guaranteed drops from scrapbeak to take some of the RNG out of what he gives you

[little carbon]

It's always more then the teams outside have, giving you an advantage. Unless there is a supply point at the compound. But maybe then (or generally) holding from outside the lair is a better idea

[floral vapor]

For example, guaranteed to get an ammo box on the first rage

[bronze quail]

thats why i said that i prefere other bosses to act like him. Why only the scrapbeak? this is what i dont like, that only the scrapbeak is more annoying than the other bosses, and thats a fact. I dont know, make lanterns disappear on butcher layer and make the spider compound full of poison things idk

[floral vapor]

I do not at all support the idea that we should kneecap his only defining trait

He is just butcher with less health without it

[floral vapor]

Because his entire concept is that it's a hoarder in a giant suit and MAYBE influenced by the sculptor but not confirmed

[bronze quail]

fights on scrapbeak layers (specially if single boss) are just boring, people camping way more than usual, cause they shoot a couple of bullets and then they stop doing anything cause they are out of ammo and resources. You need to run on closer compounds cause the only ones having at least an ammo boxe are the ones camped inside

[floral vapor]

That's his whole schtick

[bronze quail]

i dont care about lore, i care only about balancing

[floral vapor]

Again, in balancing your suggestion is wack and dilutes gameplay

We've discussed that in detail though

It's fine that you don't enjoy fighting him, but the only objective improvement that could be made to his encounter is guaranteeing certain loot drops from him like ammo

Excluding minor balancing tweaks, at least.

[bronze quail]

as i said, i dont like a boss that is way more annoying that other bosses, and i dont like a boss having a unique single feature that is just annoying compared to other bosses, specially on a game where im forced to play random contracts

[bronze quail]

this at least

[floral vapor]

I agree there could be improvements but there is nothing objectively wrong with him

His gimmick is fine

If anything he's actually derivative, as far as I can tell he does exactly the same thing butcher does but with concertina and loot drops

[bronze quail]

i'm just bored of playing hybrid ammo loadouts and having to fight on a single boss scrapbeak, missing a couple of headshots and then get fucked cause i cant do nothing more than camping or running miles to get an ammo box

[floral vapor]

That seems more like an issue of being ill-equipped

You should really consider carrying a reliable melee/throwing weapon around

I have never had an issue with scrapbeak that wasn't my fault

Well... not entirely true. I have teleported back up ledges and gotten dunked on that way but that's a problem with ledge collision/connection

[bronze quail]

so i'm forced to play what i dont want to play cause there is a possibility of finding an annoying boss

nice

[floral vapor]

Not really, you can extract as soon as you get in if it's really that much of an issue for you

Or you know, let someone else kill the boss

You don't have to be the first guy there to extract with bounty is all I'm saying

I feel like you would love quickplay, you don't have to fight bosses at all

[bronze quail]

yeay, waiting and camping for ages to let other people play the game for me

[sick anvil]

sticky scapbeak done

[floral vapor]

If you haven't tried it already, that is

[bronze quail]

2.5k hours and are you really suggesting me what to play? cm on

[floral vapor]

I'm sorry you feel that way man but if you don't like the way he plays that's not really the game's fault, that's just personal preference

[floral vapor]

Relax, mate. Wasn't trying to challenge your authority

[little carbon]

Building a viable loadout is a part of the skills that hunt require. You can't expect to just throw together a loadout and it working without drawbacks.
That's one of the most important things about making good (squad) loadouts, covering weaknesses

[sick anvil]

lol

good one

spaks sparks pax pax going in viping the server

aint nothing to do with strategic mubo jumbo

[floral vapor]

You don't have to use balanced loadouts, but they definitely help

[sick anvil]

sacrafice one bomb slot for a sticky and your scrap beak problem is solved

[little carbon]

Of course not, you have to be aware of the weaknesses of your loadout, accept them, and play around them

[floral vapor]

Mind you, I'm dead loyal to caldwell rival handcannon and pax new army duals

I'm no stranger to off-meta loadouts

Would I be better off with mosin and a single pistol? Yeah probably

Is that nearly as fun?

Nah

[little carbon]

Hunt's balance is pretty neat, every weapon is deadly, and can win you the game if played right. Building your loadout efficiently opens up more possible plays, and therefore gives you more potential to win

You can win with literally just going in with a derringer, but there is not going to be room for a lot of misplay s

[sick anvil]

if you put 1k hours in any gun you will be having the strongest load out you can

you can literally mop the server with quad Conversion pistols with dum dum

i am picking dum dum. cause it has not pen

[floral vapor]

Of course you can, nobody really disputed that

Balanced loadouts are still generally ideal even if you can get insanely good with literally anything

That’s my favorite thing about hunt. The meta barely matters

[sick anvil]

da fuck is a balanced loadout

[plush ledge]

Double bow is not

[floral vapor]

Something that can cover long and short range , doesn’t struggle in most situations

[plush ledge]

As example

[sick anvil]

oh som jing ling zen bs

[floral vapor]

Wut

Are you roleplaying or sm

[sick anvil]

flow with the water be the rock

[plush ledge]

Annoying yeah, hard not really

[sick anvil]

its is the first time i heard the term balanced load out

[floral vapor]

Other people would just say meta or optimal

It all means the same thing

[sick anvil]

When feel like going meta i bring fire bombs and light my enemy on fire before i shoot them

[floral vapor]

No need to be rude my guy

[plush ledge]

2 long ammo + a guy with frag arrows is worse

[floral vapor]

We’re all just cowboys here

[sick anvil]

its less rude letting your enemy know they will be on fire after death then letting them know before the bullet hits

then shoot the enemy and burn them after

[floral vapor]

I’m confused

That is not at all what I was referring to

Burning bodies is a borderline necessity as a solo

At least in my experience

If nothing else the urgency to choke bomb can give you time to slip away

Or an opportunity to get a cheeky flank

[sick anvil]

if you flip the order . yeet the fire bomb in the face first then shoot if your are lucky takin 2 bars away

if the last bar is 25

and bonus if you do it fast enough they gonna fall in the fire bomb still burning

last thing on my bucket list is killing some one with the red falling gates

[floral vapor]

Do those actually crush you or do you just get nudged out

[sick anvil]

if you are exactly under it should kill you like an elevator

[floral vapor]

Nice

Sadly if crytek keeps pushing the monetization in the direction it’s going I may never experience that

I should have drawn the line when event skins boosted bloodline xp but I was still optimistic

[sick anvil]

I was called insane when i said it last year fall that the direction is wrong

[floral vapor]

You’re in the lion’s den in terms of the community. Some servers straight ban users for criticizing the devs or game

People will always line up to defend corporations no matter how bad things get.

[sick anvil]

To be fair Mods thought stubborn in opinions here are fair .

[floral vapor]

Mods here are mostly tolerant of criticism

Just watch your wording

[frosty garnet]

@queen jungle, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
Matched regex in message in #game-ideas (#suggestions-ideas, 524577494863708180):

I would pay until 10bbs for that!```

[rigid basalt]

@queen jungle the idea is good but make it hunt dollars bb would be pay to win as a fixed scope gives a clear adavantage over a broken one

my idea would be 25 huntdollars to fix the broken lense and an other 25 to clean and polish it ( as a seperate option to remove all the dirt from the lense to give an overall clear sight with no dirty areas on the scope)

[queen jungle]

Naaa...BBs, they need the money

[rigid basalt]

p2w will not happen as the game-devs clearly said that they will in no way or form Support any form of adavantage through money (also the reason for the change to cain hangman and crocodile)

@errant meadow why did you dislike my Suggestion?

[floral vapor]

Thank fuck

Someone said it

[floral vapor]

They drop more DLCs than content updates

They’re already becoming predatory with monetization, we don’t need blatant P2W

[errant meadow]

I just don’t like the clean weapon system all that much

[floral vapor]

Would you not prefer it cost hung dollars rather than BB?

[rigid basalt]

dont u t think a change to huntdollars instead of bb and allowing to repair scopes would improfe it? cause removing it will not happen
if u cant get rid of it atleast make the best of it right?

[floral vapor]

@queen jungle I understand the frustration but “fix bug” doesn’t really help. There are lots of bugs and surely many that haven’t been reported

I do agree they’re absolutely neglecting the game

[crystal plume]

Sometimes I feel like we do actually live in a multiverse and somehow this discord connects those multiverses

[queen jungle]

I mean reapir bugs that are known but they are sometimes gamebreaking or even worse and crytek did nothing

[floral vapor]

Mods trying to downplay the state of the game again?

[crystal plume]

I'm just saying that my experience has been entirely different

[floral vapor]

Yep that’s exactly what’s happening