feedback-discussion

[half stag]

compact is fine imo, medium needs a rework in general, long needs some sort of downside besides "high" price and "low reserve ammo (not like the uppercut exists lmao)"

[dense sapphire]

That's literally what I suggested

[dense fjord]

Not just the ammo types but some guns obviously

[half stag]

you literally suggested that they be completely nerfed to the ground (at least that's what it felt to me when reading it)

yea, I saw the same idea, but you tacked on other nerfs that imo, I find unnecessary

[half stag]

cough centennial cough

[dense fjord]

Definitely a standout

[dense sapphire]

The goal of the suggestions is to make slugs a sidegrade. If the 15m ohko is kept but the only nerf is damage reduced past their ohko range they're still mostly an upgrade

[dense fjord]

They also cost 200 hunt dollars

That’s an expensive side grade that you can’t reliably hip fire anymore

[dense sapphire]

Ah

Forgot to add a price reduction

[half stag]

only change I really agree with is the hipfire inaccuracy (tho not in the way that you suggest), I think that they should have the increased crosshair bloom when moving, as it only fires a single projectile like rifles, when rn, it doesn't change even while on the move (don't know why that oversight is on them)

[dense sapphire]

Ill consider that

[dense fjord]

One of the biggest things buckshot does well is ease of use up close. Slugs already lose that great hip fire ability.

You pay a premium for something that requires you to aim more accurately for a reward of increased effectiveness.

I think they’re mostly fine

[keen bolt]

Imo slug should keep the 15m ohk range and less ammo reserve + bad dropoff pass 15m

Or if left unchanged - only available on some shotguns

Not ALL

[dense fjord]

This is a much more reasonable nerf

[keen bolt]

That got downvoted to hell

Yes

People really don't like anyone touching it

[dense fjord]

Lol

[keen bolt]

And I'm not gonna lie - I'm caving in to it too now

Now I'm part of Slug gang

Especially Slate slug

So easy to use man XD

[dense fjord]

Me too 👀

It’s awesome

[half stag]

they'll prob end up doing a "less ammo reserve change"

Cuz in the traitors moon event patch, they changed the description of slugs to include a "reduced ammunition" blurb, even though it doesn't do that rn

[dense fjord]

Honestly depending on play style those slugs go pretty quick if your doing a lot of fighting with the current amount you get

[sick anvil]

want to nerf jack up the price of slugs to quadruple what it is now

[keen bolt]

Simply - NOPE

[sick anvil]

if ya get a nitro performance you pay nitro price

[keen bolt]

It'll just kill romero slug

[sick anvil]

fro Romero it should be 2k

[half stag]

or Idk, actually price slugs individually based on what shotgun its on

[keen bolt]

This

I'd give 150-200$ for Romero

Less than that is must pick more than that I'd just go rival

[sick anvil]

Romero alredy has 200HB for slugs

[keen bolt]

That's what I'm saying xd

[dense fjord]

This is a stupid tag line

Slugs and nitro have nothing to do with each other

[sick anvil]

Well Nitro is a two shot over nerfed OHK gun

and Slugs are pretty much the same just its HIllbilly towns nitro

[keen bolt]

But ngl I'd prefer if it only exist on some shotgun

Or alternatively buff Flechette to what it was when it dropped

And noone will use slug again! (Jk)

[sick anvil]

Well the thing is you will not get removal of anything from the game if you have not noticed nothing got ever removed from the game at best you can hope a nerf to the ground and then back walking it to where it somwhat works

[warm zephyr]

ye

[keen bolt]

True xd

[sick anvil]

That why to preserve slugs as they are somewhat usable on R77 yet on any gun would be make it on CK and Shate pretty much to be more expensive than a nitro

[split wasp]

Slug doesn’t give nitro performance though, just saying. I love the nitro and it is hands down better than any shotgun with slugs. You just have to be very skilled with it, and since it is so expensive people don’t practice with it because it is painful to that hunt wallet when you die with it.

And when it comes to the Romero, just run buckshot. You really don’t even need the slugs…

[sick anvil]

I have spent nearly a Million HB on nitro i know the gun the argument i make is for average player

[dense fjord]

I hate that about this game tbh

[split wasp]

Fair.

[dense fjord]

Feels like they don’t want to remove anything they’ve added

[sick anvil]

BINGO !

[split wasp]

Why would you want to remove something that has been added?

What was the point of adding it?

[dense sapphire]

That and once it has skins, you get an uproar about it

[split wasp]

There has been nothing in terms of weapons and equipment that I feel needs to be removed.

[dense sapphire]

I'd say the same

Mechanics though?

Red skull revive can go fuck itself

[split wasp]

My only issues with hunt are generally with background processes and mechanics. I.E. the change to zombie spawns.

[dense sapphire]

Was stupid, still is stupid

Reload logic change was somehow even more moronic

[split wasp]

I don’t mind red skull revive but I think it needs some harder tuning.

[half stag]

What?

[dense sapphire]

I loathe it from the bottom of my soul 🙂

[split wasp]

Ngl, I think red skull revive should take a second from your bounty and you can’t revive without a second.

[dense sapphire]

You know, when the buffed the lebel and mosin in the only category they were arguably weak in. All for the sake of realism.

[half stag]

Ah

[dense sapphire]

And murked the usage of my favorite trait

[dense fjord]

Yeah i remember wishing I could revive my buddies/randoms after all the fighting was over when they redskulled but now I regret ever wishing for that lol

[split wasp]

Lol

[keen bolt]

Which?

[half stag]

I mean, it is cool that they added it, but like, the uppercut exists, so that one bullet doesn't really make me mad (in fact, that just tells me that the uppercut reserve needs to be slashed)

[dense fjord]

That sounds kinda cool

[dense sapphire]

Bulletgrubber

[half stag]

Lebels still cucked if you don't bring an uppercut due to the way ammo resupply works, so the change didn't really change much imo

[dense fjord]

I’d remove dual wield and avto lol

[half stag]

Mosin though . . .

[keen bolt]

Unpopular opinion - Take 149 HP to revive partner

(red skulled one)

And have it sound like when you're banishing a boss

Just so people don't combat revive red skulls

[split wasp]

It would effectively allow you to revive after fighting a team because you could loot a second back and redskull revive with that second. It also gives you the question of should you use the seconds aggressively or keep them stashed for a revive.

[dense fjord]

Or just a super long time and some loud ass Inuit throat singing sound queue or something lol

[split wasp]

It really addresses the issues with redskull revive in the first place

[dense fjord]

I get it. Having it tied to your valuable dark sight scan/ability to loot a body for one sounds like a perfect change tbh.

[split wasp]

Going to put it in the suggestions. Brb

[keen bolt]

Red skull revive should be a revive after a clutch not...this

[sick anvil]

Red Skull revive to me only seems to be an issue in compounds that are mostly impenetrable with ammo and the places you can shoot in trough small openings making it nearly impossible to deny the revive

[dense fjord]

Making it tied to dark sight second puts a much better limit on it

That’s 5 red skull revives at max without body looting at least

[split wasp]

Yeah. And it forces you to choose aggression or defense.

And not using your dark sight for locating purposes

It also addresses the infinite downing exploit people were doing for decreasing their mmr.

[frosty garnet]

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Balance the Nitro Express and make it a double shot Sparks```

[split wasp]

It is an issue for a multitude of situations, especially if you are solo.

But that is definitely the largest scenario of it becoming problematic.

I hate downing someone 8 times and them just constantly getting back up.

[dense fjord]

Yeah you keep downing the same people and draining your ammo and they get repeated chances to kill you

It definitely is an issue in some situations

Feels dumb

[split wasp]

And for any solo that is playing long range, one person can stay behind cover and just red skull revive their partner until either they are out of ammo or you are dead.

[dense sapphire]

I honestly just want it completely removed

Its not going to happen though

So ill take whatever nerfs it gets

[keen bolt]

What if your friend burned out by a camper?

That's probably the point of it existing

[dense fjord]

Burning mechanic is fun to me

[keen bolt]

The main problem is people start using them ...as offensive tool

[dense fjord]

Forces a fight/clutch attempt in a lot of ways

[keen bolt]

Repeatedly

[dense sapphire]

So be it

This is a hardcore game

Death should be punishing

[dense fjord]

Make burning matter

[dense sapphire]

If you get burnt out or get killed a ton, you should just be dead permanently

No scapegoats, no workarounds, dead is dead

[dense fjord]

Red skull revive is horrible as solo

[split wasp]

I think it is a good addition to the game for a variety of scenarios. Being able to revive a friend after the end of a fight even if they are red skulled is nice. I’d like it to be nerfed to make it more likely to be used in that scenario.

[keen bolt]

I partly agree with perma death but I think this could be solved with a compromise

Like his idea

[dense fjord]

You can’t really pressure a team cause they can always wait you out for a token if you’ve secured bounty and it’s you and them

[dense sapphire]

If that's the only thing it could be viably used for, I would be moderately ok with it. My ideal is it's complete removal.

[dense fjord]

Like I’m solo and kill 2 and burn both 3rd runs out of scan. Am I gonna guard bounty token until end of match? No.

[split wasp]

They will likely never remove it.

[dense fjord]

Reverie’s suggestion makes it better for sure

Still has interactions that will feel bad though

[keen bolt]

I hate being that guy who clutch a fight using last 50 hp - revive all my friends and dies permanently to water devil at extract

And get nothing

That's what happen pre redskull revive

[dense fjord]

I enjoyed the intensity it added

Not having red skull revive

[split wasp]

Tbh, I think people will be a lot more likely to not be able to redskull revive mid fight with that change.

Because people tend to be a bit more self preserving

And with it costing a second and 50 health, you are looking at massive cost mid-fight.

[keen bolt]

Alternatively if I fight half a server for a bounty I should get some kinda advantage

Current system sucks cause meat shield revive is a thing

[split wasp]

Already have 2 dislikes.

[keen bolt]

Should have made the revive hard and long

[split wasp]

Lol

[keen bolt]

Aka not using it mid combat

[split wasp]

It should also make a loud sound as you are doing it.

[keen bolt]

Boss lightning zap is what I'd prefer

[split wasp]

Sound design is built into the game in every facet and it feels weird that it isn’t built in with this mechanic.

[dense fjord]

Burning should black skull and make a hunter unrevivable even with token. Would be nice for giving solo players the ability to pressure since they can’t take both tokens.

[keen bolt]

You're using boss demonic essence

[dense fjord]

Agree, needs to be very audible

Punishable

[keen bolt]

This is actually kinda ok

[split wasp]

It would help with knowing when to push.

I wouldn’t mind a differentiation between the two like you said

[keen bolt]

Or ... literally banishing the hunter lol

Would be cool idea

[dense fjord]

Casual gamers

[keen bolt]

Then again any attempt to nerf slug or change red skull revive always got downvoted

[split wasp]

Yeah. I don’t mind some casual elements to the game, in fact I think having some is a good idea. But you have to have a middle ground and not push away the more hardcore at the same time.

[keen bolt]

This is the usual trends in ALL post relate to said topic

[split wasp]

At least when you have an upvote and downvote for it you know who the chads are.

[keen bolt]

Xd

If anything less predictable boss lair chance also should of been a thing

[dense fjord]

Idea: make dolch OP again

[keen bolt]

If anything I need their 110 damage back

[split wasp]

Idea: buff bornheim

[dense fjord]

I feel like the semi auto nerfs are kinda stupid

That’s my opinion

[keen bolt]

Depending on which one

[split wasp]

I understand them. Not really a problem imo.

[keen bolt]

But most are over nerfed

[dense fjord]

Big random recoil, and increased sway on multiple shots

[split wasp]

I think dolch is in a good place now.

[half stag]

I honestly have no clue why they made the semi auto ads spam sway, the same as the dolch for every double action and semi auto

[split wasp]

Bornheim is sadge, as always.

[dense fjord]

Like they’re afraid of having some guns be more potent when anything is lethal with the way the system is anyway

[half stag]

Felt like it was a knee-jerk reaction to the new army being "op" based on everyone saying it was "too good"

[dense fjord]

Yeah officer

I still like officer a lot but it feels weird now

[keen bolt]

Like what the hell

It ain't op

[dense fjord]

Not as satisfying to use anymore

[split wasp]

3 shot kill, 6 shot magazine, fast drop off, low ammo count. Remind me why it costs over 200 hunt dollars.

[half stag]

That's what I'm saying

[keen bolt]

Maybe old dolch was but

Now it's not

[half stag]

But no, people tried it for 1 day and started saying it was op on test

Then crytek listened to them for some reason

And nerfed new army to where it is now

[keen bolt]

Of course every saying xx gun is OP everytime new gun is added

[half stag]

And people are now like "GiVe It MoRe VeLoCiTy"

[dusk stone]

i play bounty hunt majority of the times, i really enjoy playing the game but it's hard to adjust to these high level players

[keen bolt]

No sense of balance whatsoever

[half stag]

Lmao

But they actually listened to those people crying that it was op

[dense fjord]

Whoever does weapon balancing needs to do a huge overhaul where they look at every weapon/ammo stats and price now

[keen bolt]

Btw I am the one who suggest Winfield do 110 so I guess I'm ok at balancing things

...to a degree atleast

[dusk stone]

i love your name bro, spittin facts

[half stag]

Hell they even nerfed the slate just cuz people were like "nerf the slate" when they actually mean "nerf slugs" xd

[keen bolt]

Yeah the player base had a lotta vets depending on server could be entirely vet

[split wasp]

The only thing I think was too good with new army on test server was dual wield accuracy. Idk if it was bugged or what but that was a laser beam for its fire rate.

[half stag]

I'm so salty that they nerfed the buckshot version just cuz it has slugs on it, rather than applying those nerfs only to slugs

[late wind]

@split wasp I made this exact suggestion months ago and got downvoted to hell for it lol.

[half stag]

Ala crown and king

[keen bolt]

This lmao

[dense fjord]

Funny how without adjusting anything else at all they decided to reduce slate shotgun price

[keen bolt]

People with no sense of balance man

[dense fjord]

Fully agree

[dusk stone]

yeah playing with my buddies on NA east seems a lot easier on the MMR matching, playing on European servers is a whole different story

[late wind]

Nah it's cause I said it.

[split wasp]

Lol. Of course. You are addressing the casuals mechanic.

[dense fjord]

Crytek needs to hire me for weapon balancing. I’ll give the people not what they want but what they need

[split wasp]

And there are always more casuals than hardcore players.

[keen bolt]

Man try Asia XD I just got killed by p.100 with 20k kills

[dusk stone]

aw fuck now bro, i ain't never touching asian servers

[keen bolt]

This ^^^

[keen bolt]

And guess what stars I am when I got killed by that guy? 3

I will never forget that

[dense sapphire]

To be fair, slate is the best shotgun in practice

[half stag]

I feel like crytek listens too much to the community sometimes, especially the loud vocal minority. (Ping abuse instead of better servers xd)

[dense sapphire]

Technically the crown is better but the slates firerate is what you should be using the crown at anyway

[half stag]

Crown and king still reigns, I would rather see specter getting minor adjustments, slate has let me down due to the spread on occasion

[split wasp]

Just give slate flachettes and you have the best shotgun in the game imo.

[keen bolt]

I think all shotguns are balanced all according to price / barrel / capacity then came the damn slug

Breaks everything

[half stag]

Give specter 5+1 (that's the irl capacity), and improve spread slightly so that the increased buckshot range is more consistent

[dense fjord]

Crown can pull off kills faster than slate for sure but big price bump for a little more performance

[dense sapphire]

I'd like that

[keen bolt]

Suggest it!

[half stag]

Yea, I will

[keen bolt]

New army is the worst DA revolver I swear xd

It's the inconsistency

[split wasp]

Unpopular opinion but I see nothing wrong with slugs.

[half stag]

thank every youtuber and their mother for having it where it's at rn lmao

[split wasp]

I don’t use them, but I see nothing wrong with them.

[half stag]

"It"s tOo LoW ReCoIl"

[keen bolt]

Mfers never shot a .38 long colt

[half stag]

"It HaS (had) ToO MuCh AmMo"

[dense sapphire]

True but what usually ends up happening is that you shoot the crown a tad too fast and fail to get any reliable damage. The slate hardcapping your firerate prevents this. If you perform perfectly with both crown is definitely better but their average performance is very similar

[keen bolt]

That thing is literally .22 magnum

[half stag]

fr

[dense sapphire]

I'm not too sure how "broken" they are but they are generally a straight upgrade over buckshot by a mile and feel really oppressive to fight

[dense fjord]

I understand what you mean but it’s trigger discipline and wether or not your shooting faster than you can control, but crown will shoot as fast as you CAN control.

[dense sapphire]

Yeah

Granted, I am biased as I don't like fighting slugs or using them

[keen bolt]

Tbh the problem is about it claps every other close range loadout

That's pretty much it

[split wasp]

I would say they are definitely more of an upgrade than a side grade like most ammunition.

[keen bolt]

And able to 2 taps people at medium range with right rof

[dense fjord]

Most slug load outs have an ammo box I’d imagine

[dense sapphire]

I think, at the very least, they should get a nerf to their damage falloff. If we want custom ammo to be sidegrades then further nerfs are necessary

But if they just got the damage falloff nerf, I'd be fine

[dense sapphire]

I don't think so

[dense hamlet]

Why can we not have a random third on a team of 2??? It's the dumbest system ever...

[dense sapphire]

I rarely ever see slug users drop a box

[keen bolt]

That - just don't make them like 2 tap people at medium range or something

[dense fjord]

My one custom load out using slugs is slate and I have an ammo box on there

[dense sapphire]

You are a rarity

[dense fjord]

Weird

[keen bolt]

They say 2 people together will treat a 3rd "less"

[dense sapphire]

I'm weird for not liking slugs

[dense fjord]

Maybe I shoot more than some

[keen bolt]

Which I do partly agree

[dense sapphire]

We're both weird

[dense hamlet]

i'd rather have that, than be stuck on duos

[keen bolt]

I like them just because it's op actually

[dense sapphire]

I dislike them because I bring my shotgun for CQC. Slugs feel clunky to me in CQC

[keen bolt]

Find a 3rd on discord is an option as well but I know your feels man...

[dense sapphire]

If I wanted what slugs offer, I'd bring crossbow

Which I do

[split wasp]

Eh. They are definitely a very good close quarters weapon but there are many weapons that I think are good in the same position. Bow and crossbow are good examples. Then when you go to weapons like the Winfield, you are giving up the one shot to the chest for more adaptability.

Like, bow is so good

Very fun

[dense sapphire]

Im ass with bow

I want to get good with it

[keen bolt]

Bows and Crossbow are their own league and have a skill gap - but anyone who can decently aim will atleast Trade with a slug

Bows are great used them to great effect

Actually the Handcrossbow is my favourite sidearms for long rifle

Fight me

[dense sapphire]

Hand crossbow is one of the best secondaries in the game

[keen bolt]

YUP!

[dense sapphire]

I generally don't use it with long ammo because I like my upper quickswap but it's my go too for winfield and vetterli

[keen bolt]

I use it on every rifle loadout when applicable

Rekt a shotgun team using that thing in prison before

10/10 would bring it again

[split wasp]

That’s their range and their strong suit. It’s like long ammo, you can’t fight against it with compact ammo from long range. Slugs take away the rng and put the outcome in your hands. I’m not upset about it. Maybe a decrease in ammo would be a good idea but that’s the only change I might make to it.

[keen bolt]

Any nerf to slug right now would bring a smile to my face

[split wasp]

Double poison hand crossy with derringer. Best load out in the game

[keen bolt]

Killed 8 people in duo vs trios once only having a derringer

It's ok I'd say

[split wasp]

It’s the way

[keen bolt]

Sadly I forgot to take their weapons

One survived and revived

[split wasp]

I still want this #game-ideas message and I would run it over slugs every time.

[keen bolt]

So now I die to lebel at 80m having only a Deringer to fight them XD

[keen bolt]

Ok I like this

[split wasp]

Oh yeah.

Best shotgun ammo. Lol

[keen bolt]

Better run poison shot XD

[split wasp]

For sure

[keen bolt]

I did think of a Poison Slug before

But that is even better

[split wasp]

It’d be so good at killing bosses, other than spider

And you could instantly get rid of groups of mobs

And a good spacing tool against enemies that don’t have a poison shot.

[dense sapphire]

That asterisk right there is why I hate antidotes

"Ah yes, this strategy works really well unless they have an item I have no idea whether they have or not"

[keen bolt]

Most likely no

[dense sapphire]

It's a complete hard counter with no way to know about it

[split wasp]

I think poison shot should be reworked into an alchemist kit in the tool slot with multiple charges.

[dense sapphire]

Yes. But sometimes they do.

Antidote hard counters poison so hard not only because it negates the effect, but also because there is no way to know they have it until they jump you.

[keen bolt]

Who are they? Psychopaths? Jk I'm just saying it's still a good Idea

Poison shotgun

[dense sapphire]

If someone has a hard counter to you, you at least should be able to know they have a hard counter'

[keen bolt]

They won't make 'suffering' sound when got hit by poison

[split wasp]

Poison shotgun indeed

[keen bolt]

But that's really hard to tell actually

I ran Cent poison before so yes

[dense sapphire]

Yeah, they won't. And youll realize this as they run into your building with a shotgun and gun you down.

[keen bolt]

But you would still have a poison-SHOTGUN to counter it somewhat right?

Probably like Flame ammo where it ohk at close range

[dense sapphire]

Hey, how would you like a trait that lets you survive a headshot from specifically a officer carbine

[keen bolt]

What I am pissed about special ammo on shotgun is how half on them are inconsistent

[keen bolt]

Whaaaa 0.0

[split wasp]

Again. Reworking poison shot into a tool slot would be great. It’d remove the rng of becoming immune to someone’s loadout by looting a poison shot from a hunter or tool box and give people a higher chance of getting something that’ll actually help them. Basically makes poison loadouts more viable while effective the health of the game in a better way.

[dense sapphire]

What would you think of that

[keen bolt]

Sounds...not great

[dense sapphire]

Yeah

It does

Now what if your poison shotgun you just brought in now has half the effective range because of an item?

Specifically the poison shotgun

[split wasp]

Yeah. That’s poison in a nutshell.

[keen bolt]

It's fair imo - poison are like hit or miss

[dense sapphire]

Yeah, and it's bullshit

[keen bolt]

Not everyone will run the thing tho

That's what keeping its effectiveness relatively high

[split wasp]

For sure. It’d probably be as rare as dragons breath

[dense sapphire]

My entire loadout should not be neutered because someone has an item or trait I have no way of knowing they have

[split wasp]

Speaking of which, can we please decrease the cost of dragons breath?

[dense sapphire]

Not everyone runs officer carbine

It's one of the rarest weapons in the game

Hence, very few people would buy the associated trait

But some still will

[split wasp]

After it got nerfed anyway. It was a gun we used a ton before that.

[dense sapphire]

How is that any different

It's the same deal with bulwark and bomb lance stick

Yeah, most people don't have bulwark

But some will

[keen bolt]

It just means unlucky xd

[split wasp]

Bulwark makes me angry when I run bomblance.

[dense sapphire]

And you will get robbed of your kill you rightfully earned because they got a trait you had no way of knowing they had

[dense sapphire]

My entire loadout should not be neutered because of luck

[keen bolt]

If anything they should make a hunter that's poisoned have a poison cloud on them

[split wasp]

I run bomblance and stuck a guy who, for the first time in their hunt career, took bulwark.

[dense sapphire]

This hasnt happened, but if I ever get stuck and I have bulwark, I will let them kill me

[warm zephyr]

@half stag i love you. make slate have more ammo again

[half stag]

I fucking agree. I'm still so salty that they did that on test just cuz they listened to all the crybabies saying "nerf slate," when they meant "nerf slugs"

[warm zephyr]

yeah. specter could use more ammo in tube as well

[split wasp]

Nah

Specter is lovely as is.

I love that gun.

[warm zephyr]

specter is lovely. but it can be lovelier

[half stag]

funny thing is they were going to give it the 5+1 initially, but claimed that it would "make it too good" (that sure didn't age well)

[warm zephyr]

yeah. also new army is nerfed too much

[split wasp]

Hold your horses there cowboy, we don’t want it too lovely now.

[warm zephyr]

I hate how they have this knee jerk reaction to nerfs

[split wasp]

Specter is my favorite shotgun.

That and terminus.

[warm zephyr]

you have a hot take for saying terminus there pardner

[half stag]

I blame every youtuber for that claiming that "It"s ToO LoW ReCoiL" and "iT hAs ToO MuCh AmMO" "FMJ Is DuMb On It"

[warm zephyr]

I'd love for the terminus to have tighter spread

[half stag]

agreed

[split wasp]

Trust. Terminus, levering, flachettes

[half stag]

when they barely played with it for a day (and not even in a live environment)

[split wasp]

You have a golden gun right there

[fluid locust]

Yeah that change made me never run bomb lance again. Getting a stick was always guaranteed kill. Stupid AF it has a counter. It's like if shotguns had a counter with a perk or long ammo. Makes no sense.

[dense sapphire]

We are kindred spirits you and I

[split wasp]

That was literally the reference to poison shotgun.

[fluid locust]

Also it counters the one shot direct hit from explosive crossbow

[split wasp]

You know it.

[fluid locust]

Bulwark buff was dumb

[dense sapphire]

Bulwark stopped kill before buff

[split wasp]

Bulwark shouldn’t work against bomblance.

[warm zephyr]

They need to stop balancing pc and console together

[split wasp]

Yeah, just stop balancing console.

Jk obviously.

[fluid locust]

agreed

[dense sapphire]

Alternative, double bomblance damage then halve its damage to AI

[half stag]

b-BuT It'D bE ToO MuCh WoRk CuZ DaDdy CrYtEk sSaID So

[keen bolt]

This is gonna be bad once they integrated 2 together

Bur if it's not happening

Then YES

Stop balancing both by same standard

[split wasp]

Fair.

[warm zephyr]

They should never

[half stag]

Istg, it feels like there's an army of crytek simps that defend every decision that they do. (Everytime it comes up that pc and console should be balanced seperately, there is just a strange amount of people that are against it for some reason)

[warm zephyr]

It's like the game is run on a skeleton crew

[fluid locust]

that comes for anything bro. it's crazy

[dense sapphire]

It would
A. Effectively be the same
B. Probably easier to code
C. Would be really funny overkill

[keen bolt]

I'm feeling bad for calling them simps but they really are crytek simps!

[fluid locust]

like criticize the monetization system which is a very valid criticism and the crytek whales will come out in full force lol

[warm zephyr]

Hunt showdown is really on milking mode

[split wasp]

Bro, just give me something to pay for.

[half stag]

I mean, have you seen how many open positions they are hiring for xD

feels like 1/2 their team just got up and left

[dense sapphire]

Your probably at least partially right, but I come from TF2 and Hunt has Triple A teams in comparison

[crystal plume]

Or they want to grow the team?

Why is the first assumption that people left

[warm zephyr]

It's like people quit lmao

[crystal plume]

Lol

[split wasp]

Oh yeah. I’m very happy that they opened those positions.

[warm zephyr]

Because quality drop ig

[split wasp]

Exciting

[half stag]

I jest, ofc we'll never know what the exact reason is

[keen bolt]

Worse - someone criticism on server performance was responded with

"MaKe YoUr OwN hUnT bRo"
"pLaY oThEr GaMe ThEn"

[fluid locust]

lmao ikr

"just go build your own server bro"

[dense sapphire]

I wanna apply so bad but I don’t got the qualification

[warm zephyr]

Yeah there's just people like that that shuts down valid criticism

[keen bolt]

Like man if someone complain they STILL LOVE the game

[fluid locust]

^

[split wasp]

What do you want to do @dense sapphire

[keen bolt]

Especially on Valid criticism

[warm zephyr]

"why can't young people nowadays enjoy the game as is?"

[dense sapphire]

Game design

[keen bolt]

I hate heroes and generals so much I just left without saying anything

[dense sapphire]

I want to go to college for it even

[keen bolt]

Hunt? I wanna see them improve

That's why we Complain

[dense sapphire]

Currently in the process of applying

[keen bolt]

And even ask for solutions

[fluid locust]

hunt is honestly an unique ass experience and it pains me when they make bizzare ass design choices that fuck the game

[dense sapphire]

Working on Hunt would be my dream job

[split wasp]

Ah. I’m level design. Been in a home under construction for 27 years, thought about going into architecture and animation, level design is my calling.

I actually applied, so we will see

[dense sapphire]

Level design is cool too

Dude sick

[keen bolt]

I'm a Businessman so yes I want Hunt to actually monetize same as tarkov

But in which way tho?

That's the hard part

[half stag]

I wonder why we get such a high amount of vitriol when they fuck up or do something that seems sus af (and then they get ousted for "not being appreciative enough" or "ThE ArT TeAm Is NoT thE SaMe As ThE DeSiGn TeAm."

gee whizz, its not like this is the only game like it on the market rn (and prob for years to come)

[split wasp]

Hunt will find its way. It needs a form of monetization to keep a float and support its dev team. It’s not cheap and crytek treats its employees incredibly well

[dense sapphire]

Because a lot of people complaining are dumb or jerks

[half stag]

I agree that they should at least have some constructive feedback rather than just attacking the devs (but there's a reason why they're complaining, albeit, in an unhealthy manner)

[fluid locust]

a lot of people think you have to lick crytek's balls in order to like the game. like you can like something and not put it on a pedestal

[dense sapphire]

Do you know how many people I’ve seen say shotguns shouldn’t one shot?

As in, buckshot shotties should not one shot body

At all

[keen bolt]

Stupid

That's what it is

[dense sapphire]

Because there are people who legitimately have that opinion

[split wasp]

Which large streamer was it that played hunt and said all shotguns were op?

[keen bolt]

This is actually a nation-wide thinking here in my country as well

Which is stupid

[split wasp]

Was it summit?

[dense sapphire]

Steam discussions especially has some of the dumbest complaints I’ve ever seen

[half stag]

yea

[fluid locust]

yes

[split wasp]

Lol

[fluid locust]

he said slugs were OP and regular was too

slugs maybe but regular shotguns are fine

[dense sapphire]

Dunno but I remember someone saying that

[half stag]

oh and then there's shroud who quit cuz "Me NeCk HuRty CuZ LoW CrOsShAir"

[fluid locust]

summit is a big crybaby lol

his keyboard cries in fear

[keen bolt]

Like if buckshot can't 1 tap people why Shotgun is even a thing lmao

[half stag]

and he didn't even notice it until a viewer pointed it out XDDDDDDDD

[dense sapphire]

That’s a very good question

[crystal plume]

From what I have gathered they are investing in more staff rather than hiring to replace opened up positions, hunt is still their main live service game and has more open hiring positions than crysis 4

[split wasp]

That is incredible to hear

[keen bolt]

Yup ^^^ I love the effort they put into the game but it comes way late

[split wasp]

Thank you so much for sharing.

[keen bolt]

Probably as hunt exploded in popularity

[late wind]

Same mfers never shot 7.62x38mmR. That cartridge has zero recoil irl but recoiled like a desert eagle in game.

[dense sapphire]

I forget, how many of those positions are centered around testing and bug fizes

[split wasp]

I do volunteer QA for a video game so I’m hoping that shines through a bit and helps me get in.

[dense sapphire]

Because that’s what I want to see the most

[keen bolt]

They didn't expect it to go boom and they made contracts with various servers provider during scrapbeak event

[keen bolt]

It's literally.32

A .32!

[dense sapphire]

I would trade any and all content for the next 6 months for massive QoL improvements and bug fixes

[half stag]

also speaking of monetization, I'm shocked they haven't decided to hasten the arrival of hunter customization (that is such a free way to get more people to buy blood bonds and even prestige)

[dense sapphire]

I know the game couldn’t sustain that but I’d take the hypothetical trade in a heartbeat

[late wind]

Please can we have the devs actually hold and shoot these guns?

[dense sapphire]

Guns should be balanced around gameplay, not realism

[keen bolt]

They are Germans they don't ever saw a gun irl I bet

[dense sapphire]

Realism is great and all, but gameplay comes first

[late wind]

Realism would greatly aid in balance though...

[split wasp]

Yeah. I had a suggestion a long time ago about linking hunter customization and prestiging. I also made one for a money pit that shows how much you invested in terms of hunt dollars to help keep economy down a bit.

[dense sapphire]

Then perfect

But the primary driver should be gameplay

[crystal plume]

Around 18 programmer roles and 1 sandbox & tools QA tester, I think the roles might also have multiple positions open for each role from what I understand, just isn't listed anywhere

[split wasp]

This

[keen bolt]

This also

[dense sapphire]

Thx

[keen bolt]

Why specter didn't get 5+1

[half stag]

they use Denix replicas for hands on experience and modelling (shown here https://youtu.be/FrV0Cptx7fg?t=32) and prob watch "Forgotten Weapons" or something along those lines

[keen bolt]

Yup replicas

Also Caldwell conversation is a Frankenstein of a gun

As a person who interested in wildwest popular guns especially colt navy

I can confidently say Caldwell conversation is a mix of atleast 3 guns

Which gave me facepalm

[split wasp]

I’m sure they have a flood of applications coming in for all sorts of jobs

[dense sapphire]

Here’s the full statement:
Guns should be balanced around gameplay first, but should be realistic if feasible. If guns can be balanced well in a way that makes them realistic, perfect, but if doing so is a poor balance change it should be avoided.

You know

Like the reload logic change

Which I refuse to shut up about

[keen bolt]

Exactly why shotguns Don't 1 tap people at 40m lol

[split wasp]

lol

[late wind]

The lebel is all sorts of messed up. Which is why I facepalmed when I saw them nail the Berthier...

[dense sapphire]

Yep

[late wind]

Also why no Krag?

[dense sapphire]

I laughed at that

[keen bolt]

Or having 100 pellets in 1 shot

[late wind]

The domestic US bolt gun somehow didn't make it into the game...

[dense sapphire]

The krag is one of the most suggested guns ever and instead we get the berthier

[half stag]

prob better coding experience and access to better resources? (bornheim and lebel were added back in early access and they prob couldn't add the unique features they have due to technical limitations at the time)

[keen bolt]

This xd

[split wasp]

I’m still waiting on the very not feasible pepperbox

[keen bolt]

No bullet Grubb reload is heaven

[dense sapphire]

Or how everyone has been asking for pax variants forever and then the scottfield shows up and gets fucking everything

[half stag]

Its an american gun, so no we cant add it, cuz lLiCEnSinG aNd TrAdEmArk /s

[dense sapphire]

Bulletgrubber is sexy as hell

[late wind]

Even lore wise it makes no sense. Easier to bribe some hayseed quartermaster than import the latest French rifle.

[half stag]

its so odd how when they first put hunt in early access, almost the entire arsenal was made up of european guns (and only lately have the "confidence" to add American guns)

[dense sapphire]

Probably cus the team is german

[late wind]

It's a national armory, they could add it no problem. Just like the mosin or lebel, there's no trademark protecting the name.

[dense sapphire]

I’d like more American guns

[half stag]

well they apparently still think the Schofield is a trademark (even though it was just a nick name), and changed it to the "SCoTtFiEld"

they seem deathly afraid of naming any American guns correctly

[dense sapphire]

Not sure if I want the krag now tho considering we have 3 long ammo clip guns now

[half stag]

could be made medium (though that's stretching it)

[keen bolt]

Well either making it medium / low tier long / high tier long

[dense sapphire]

I’d be fine with a new medium rifle

[keen bolt]

This

[dense sapphire]

But can we get a new compact rifle that isn’t a Winfield please

[keen bolt]

I already suggested to the dev they add Winchester Hotchkiss

The 1st EVER

[half stag]

Colt Lightning

[dense sapphire]

God dammit

[keen bolt]

Rifle to be accepted into major military

(Repeating rifle)

[dense sapphire]

I’m honestly just sick of seeing the new gun be a Winfield

Even if it’s completely different

[keen bolt]

Just gotta except it Winchester won the west :(

And Colt

[dense sapphire]

Pump action rifle could be cool. Have to find it a niche tho

[dense sapphire]

I know 😦

[keen bolt]

https://youtu.be/dh9_a839oDY

[late wind]

@half stag I like that idea, mostly. I'm apprehensive about giving the slate flechettes. Change that to maybe dragon's breath and I'm on board.

[keen bolt]

I'd be burning towns with it

[split wasp]

Flachettes on slate would not be balanced.

Lol

I love it tho.

I would very much like dragons breath on slate though.

[half stag]

I can see that, alright I'll change it

[split wasp]

But I think dragons breath should be cheaper than it is now too

Ngl, I think flachettes on slate would be better than slugs.

[half stag]

prob

the firerate is the one thing that holds it back on the specter and ironically enough, the spread, since you have to be so accurate with them

with slate . . . yea, it prob wouldn't be pretty

[split wasp]

Op.

Specter flachettes is so good

The ability to apply heavy bleeding over 50m is insane.

And I love Springfield dum dum.

So fun.

[keen bolt]

Man

I hate it when I headshot a guy with a Flechette

Full hit to the head and he did not die

Dude just 1 tapped me with a slug

I'm still salty about it

[half stag]

also I love the fact that the slate and the new army were highly requested (and fucking upvoted into oblivion in #game-ideas multiple times), and then when they get added, certain people start saying "they shouldn't have added them," "there's no reason for them to be in the game", or "I don't know why they keep adding MoRe SpAm"

[split wasp]

It is what it is.

But, silenced centennial please.

[half stag]

bro, you know people actually complain that "there are too many guns now" and "they shouldn't be adding guns" like what???

[split wasp]

That is the one centennial variant I want.

[half stag]

I would like centennial buffs overall please

[split wasp]

Fair.

[half stag]

why's it inferior to everything else in the game

its the only gun that has no niche

[split wasp]

Do you play centennial much?

[half stag]

yes

cuz I'm stubborn and wanna play cowboy (also calamity jane reference ftw)

[split wasp]

I run it a lot. Centennial sniper is my jam.

Uh

That being said, I would play silenced centennial so much it isn’t even funny.

[half stag]

I don't like the sniper scope personally (also doesn't make much sense in my mind due to medium ammo drop off shenanigans). Yes, ik you can run fmj, but then what's the point if you can just run a vetterli high velocity at that point

[half stag]

levering would prob be even worse than the sniper variant somehow

xD

[split wasp]

Don’t use levering. Lol

[half stag]

actually self-inflicted debuff for 3 trait points

[split wasp]

I get it, but it’s really good. It fits my play style of being wack

[keen bolt]

I mean why Levering on cent even

Waste of points xd

[split wasp]

It is detrimental

Sadly it means you can’t play centennial and compact terminus.

Centennial sniper fmj is so fun though.

You don’t really need to do much to the centennial though. It’s pretty decent as is. Just an amazing head clicker.

You could probably do with a centennial aperture too tbh. A good option for variants given its adaptability.

[fluid locust]

some guy headshot me from fort with sniper cent and I was at sweetbell and he didn't kill me lmao.

cent is a sad sad gun

[half stag]

the only buffs I really want for it, is a slightly faster rof in between the vett and winnie (reinforce the head clicker niche) and more reserve ammo (why's it so much lower than the vett for no reason)

[split wasp]

It’s a marksman gun despite having a sniper scope. Don’t try and kill people from extreme distances.

[half stag]

oh and make levering not a self-inflicted gunshot wound (Idc how they go about doing this)

[split wasp]

Tbh, only thing I’d do to it is tighten the levering and decrease levering fire rate.

[half stag]

the same marksman gun that crytek claims would be "too op" with a marksman scope xd

[fluid locust]

I don't. that guy tried to though lol. I was looting a body too and I had 1 hp after he shot me

[split wasp]

It would be.

[half stag]

huh

lebel marksman exists though

[split wasp]

It is a cost to value issue as well. They want it to fulfill a niche and it fulfills that niche amazingly.

[half stag]

oh yea, I forget they actually think price point is a balance factor lol (it isn't imo)

[split wasp]

The sniper scope is meant to make fighting in closer engagement more difficult. I still find it rather easy to kill people in close quarters though.

It is meant to be but isn’t that strong of a factor and only becomes a factor for guns like the nitro. Not because it really changes the gun but because the gun is difficult to master in the first place that spending 1200 on it alone is a tall ask.

It’s also a balancing factor for low mmr players more so than upper mmr.

But the guns in hunt are the most balanced of any game I’ve played.

[keen bolt]

Try Blacksquad

Lmao every gun feels like eachother

That's what happen when they over balance every stats I guess

[split wasp]

Sounds…. Awful….

[keen bolt]

Like imagine

Gun A has 44 damage and 56 rof
Gun B has 46 damage and 54 rof

Like...what is this laughable balance XD

[split wasp]

That’s a little overboard on balance.

Lol

[keen bolt]

Like every gun has to be 100% balanced it's not even fun anymore

Like I could pick up a Scar H and knew exactly it will performs like my AK

[split wasp]

Thing is even if you give guns a stat allowance point per point, depending on game mechanics, one stat is better than the other. Take siege for instance. ROF is so much better than damage.

[keen bolt]

Yup

[split wasp]

But in this case, there is basically no difference.

Lol

[keen bolt]

Like

Hk 417 has 45 damage and +1 rof vs ak 46 -1 rof

But really even then

There's 3 class of guns

One that 1 taps head 2 taps and 3 taps

You know already which one is use at high / low elo lol

[split wasp]

Lol

Yeah.

I hope that silenced centennial stays positive

[keen bolt]

Even then it's not a guarantee they will add it

[split wasp]

Not that it means anything. Lol

[keen bolt]

For me really I wish they add small caliber shotguns

I like the 20 ga

[dense fjord]

We just got silenced Vetterli, not to hate on your idea

[split wasp]

Oh yes we did

And I hate using it. Lol

[split wasp]

#game-ideas message this is how I know that no matter how many upvotes. It sometimes just might not happen.

[dense fjord]

Lol

[keen bolt]

Yup

People's been asking for muzzleloader for a while now

[dense fjord]

I’m down tbh, stats would have to be pretty decent for it damage/range or even rof to be a pick over current low rank stuff like Winny or Springfield.

Seems cool

[split wasp]

Honestly, I don’t even care about the muzzleloading aspect. You could do a hunt spin on it and push all barrels forward to load a cartridge into each barrel. But yeah.

[dense fjord]

That sounds badass lol

[split wasp]

Right?

It’s not like hunt doesn’t take creative liberty.

[dense fjord]

Hunt Frankenstein science pepper box gun

[split wasp]

Exactly. And it would be my go to weapon just for its ridiculousness.

[dense fjord]

What ammo type you thinking?

[split wasp]

Long or special. It has to be rewarding for its use, because I imagine the sway would be high.

And it would be a low rank multi-shot long ammo weapon. Plenty of downsides obviously though. Probably have 6-12 reserve ammo if long.

You could probably get away with medium ammo though as well.

Depending on custom ammo you give it you could do anything honestly. Even compact if you gave it dum dum

[vague patio]

@quick kettle

[past badger]

we need stiffer punishments for TK especially for repeat offenders. that last match has me so arg I hate people sometimes...

and what bothers me most is here has been doing it over and over looking at his profile.. how is this allowed

[ruby magnet]

That is actually one of my guilty pleasure loadouts. Lure people close by firing the cent and then leverblast them with the compact terminus. Absolute power trip when it happens.

[tribal wyvern]

Feels like people need to rewatch the youtube video Crytek released about Questing.
So many people are like "i can't do this one, im only playing few hrs so i can't do X quest."
Then DON'T do it?

The quests are meant to accomodate all levels of skills as best they can.
If some quests are to tough, then don't do them. Repeat the easier ones.
It's okey not to do every single quest.
No one will hang you for it.

Some valid feedback i would suggest is for Crytek to maybe add more quest & we can pick & choose. So lets say you can have 9 quests, but theres 50 to choose from. You can choose to have 9 easy ones or 9 difficult ones or a mix.
That i suggest crytek do. But just saying "Crytek I don't play enough hours to kill 25 hunters!!!!" is not doing anything, cuz you can just skip it, without affecting ur weekly completion.

[slate arch]

PLEASE ADD THE BASE NAME OF THE GUN FOR LOOTING. It's not fair that I have to memorize the name of every skin in the game to know what gun I'm going to pick up off a dead body.

[strong terrace]

Sorry I missed your response - I remember seeing it here before, but haven't noticed it for the last few months (it's not just you! :D)

[frosty garnet]

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[drowsy galleon]

random mmr from hunt is the worst mmr ever.... this game take the same way like COD... DIED WITH MMR

[vital drift]

since it's not dead yet we can only wait and see how it will turn out

[drowsy galleon]

wait a few months then its dead...

performance is shit, servers are shit, updates are broken...

mmr is broken AF

wait mate wait 😉

[near sail]

You complain too much

[vital drift]

people said this already a thousand times after each update when they introduced new stuff. according to every "the game will die just wait" the game had to be dead 2 years ago already

[drowsy galleon]

XD

[tribal wyvern]

Oh it's the Doomsday preacher.
Can you tell us when Wow will die aswell? You people seem to be good at determining death dates for games.

[drowsy galleon]

fanboys are stupid an blind XD byby

[tribal wyvern]

Ye i make a sarcastic joke = Im a fanboy of Hunt.

That seems to go in line with your logic

[vital drift]

its not about being a fanboy. i'm just tired of people saying the game will die all the time. like i said, it would have been dead 2 years ago already and it's not. i just said to wait and see how it will turn out in the future. that doesn't make me a fanboy just because i disagree with you

[little carbon]

People who proclaim that Hunt is dying (or making any argument) could at least add some numerical data to their statements that somehow proofs their hypothesis. I see way to many people arguing that the game is dying because it has bugs (which are being worked on, in a timeframe that is actually not that bad for a game this complex) or because people from their circle are stopping to play. All the while actual player numbers are in a good spot.

[queen jungle]

The game is definitely not dying, in fact it's actually doing pretty well, but that doesn't mean that the game is problem-free. Some issues that have been going on for years (especially server issues) are yet to be fixed. It's funny how there'd always be a bootlicker out there protecting this product, which is understandable, human will always find a way to protect whatever they love/worship, that's the fact. But in the end, remember that Crytek are also just the manufacturer and we are just the customers to them (specifically the board and the investors), we're just sales number and server population, so there is no point in bootlicking them. People pay for the product and they are allow to complain about it however they want, albeit it should be reasonable as well.

*Don't get me wrong, I fucking love this game because it's overall a good and unique game, but I'm not going to protect its mistakes or faults and pretend like they don't exist, those also need to be taken care of.

[split wasp]

Every game has problems and it is the job of the devs to fix said problems (if they are considered problems by the dev team). Hunt: Showdown is no exception to that, but hunt showdown has seen an upward trend in player base. There are a much higher number of players now than a year 2 years ago. As far as I’m concerned, the game is doing fairly well. It’s not a perfect game, but it’s a very good one and I’m extremely excited to see them investing further into it with more staff.

[queen jungle]

Fix hitbox on cain

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[hot vigil]

Agreed, since release (which I think it is most fair anchor point for judgment), numbers have only gotten up, from 13k to 22k.
That said, dying can also mean in the sense that choices made to the game (being in-game balance, meta progression, monetization and performance) is putting it into a critical state that might result the game imploding on itself.

[warm zephyr]

@acoustic orchid it’s not feasible because of the game engine. just too much performance hit

[sick anvil]

I would say that the game is stagnating
while taking in consideration release to current number indicates more players are playing . Per some reports there was at least 3M copies sold thus from all copies 1% of the owners play the game and while the over all trend is still on a slow climb.
looking at peak player number is in the last 30 days in the all time low since July 2021
The Average player count has gone down to same as March 2022. all the gains in April lost to the last 30 days.
Based on the idea that was stated on one of the recent live streams to be exact on the 1.8.1 hunt is not selling enough new copies to sustain the game, Speculation could conclude all those gains and losses come from the already sold copies and only a small % from new players

[hot vigil]

That is some very valid points, game would ideally see more player retention. But also frankly not every game can be the big next thing, especially not niche game like Hunt.

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Lancaster Howdah Pistol. Double barrel semi-auto long ammo handgun.```Attachments:
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[late wind]

I mean. I'm pretty sure they also show a picture of it. So as long as you know the shape of every gun you're fine.

[solemn glacier]

What do you think guys is the most op weapon in the game right now ?

[half stag]

@soft sparrow calling it a "semi-auto" has already doomed your suggestion. (It's not a semi auto either btw, it's more like a double action or a big boy derringer)

[frosty garnet]

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[ruby magnet]

@solemn glacier Right now, there is no straight up overpowered weapon. There's troublesome weapons definitely, but they are in a state where they are just top of their class with some moments where they feel too powerfull.

[crystal plume]

Nitro dumdum should definitely receive some nerfs

[soft sparrow]

fixed it

[split wasp]

Lol. Never nerf my nitro dum dum. 💔

[karmic ivy]

That is a really bad way to interpret those numbers, in my opinion. You don't know enough to guess which cause leads to which effect. And 3m copies sold does not = 3m people playing, you cannot derive 1% of purchasing players actually play the game, from that data.

[split wasp]

It is really stronk tho. Lol

I feel like it has become a lot more popular recently.

[native lodge]

its busted

[acoustic orchid]

Ah, yeah that would be an issue, oh well, i think it’s still a neat idea, maybe someday in the future

[frosty garnet]

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Give the perk that refills the decoys a small buff and make it refill the derringer ammo as well.```

[sick anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[split wasp]

I mean, using steam charts is a good way to tell a player base.

It’s not the bed all be all but it helps.

[frosty garnet]

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30 stars to only get 25  blood bonds from the summons is a joke. Please up the reward amount.```

[sly hazel]

I would like to again say that the matchmaking system was the worst implementation into this game. Doing well for a few games? BAM nothing but 5 and 6 star chads for you for the next 10 games. There should be NO Matchmaking system except for brand new players. It is now nigh impossible to even get a lvl 50 hunter because if you manage to win a few games you get get to play against people who play this game constantly. I should NOT be punished for doing well. The compact ammo buff was the second worst mistake. Why would I EVER pay MORE for a gun that has less ammo, and shoots slower if a compact ammo gun kills in two shots? you might say "tHe RaNgE iS bEtTeR" and to that I say 90% of kills are within 50 meters and compact ammo behaves the exact same within 50 meters and will still one shot headshot at ranges as far at 80 meters with ease. Why continue pandering to the whining of those who play badly and get punished for it? Thats how its supposed to be.

[crystal plume]

[dim heron]

glad that was spammed over multiple channels

[tame hemlock]

Get rid of dual wielding pistols, its a low skill joke

[digital nacelle]

@tame hemlock is your post a troll?

[fluid locust]

no but he is lol

[digital nacelle]

clearly. what a mindless suggestion

[late wind]

@tame hemlock while that suggestion is incredibly based, you're asking Hunt players to give up free RNG kills. Not gonna happen.

[void atlas]

Just had a brand new player not want to play Hunt any more because of how many times he's getting killed by people with dual chain pistols.

[half stag]

b-BuT ThE NeW PlAyErS

I swear, that was the lamest excuse I ever heard for how dualies were implemented

[late wind]

Dualies didn't even actually get nerfed lol.

But these are the same people who downvoted my derringer suggestion. So I'm not surprised.

[half stag]

Crytek Dev Team: Okay folks, how are we going to make it easier to get new players retained onto hunt.

Dev 1: Shooting Range, Mentor Program?

Lead: No Jerry, that's a stupid idea.

Dev 2: RNG Spam with High Ammo Capacity that doesn't require traits.

Lead: Fantastic idea Bob, quick add it to the game, btw you're fired Jerry.

[late wind]

This community is wild to me. Like: We hate dying to RNG, but dualies are fine.

People hate dying to OP pistols but don't touch the uppercut.

Sights are subjective except for the nitro.

It's just the epitome of "Well it's fair when I use it" lol.

[dense sapphire]

@rose widget (Find Bodies in Dark Sight)
I have been suggesting this change for a year at this point. I honor you for carrying on the torch. We can only hope it happens.

[late wind]

Seeing bodies in dark sight only leads to even harder body camping.

[rose widget]

How would it lead to body camping? do you know what 10m is? oh thats right you don't know how buckshot works so probably not.

[late wind]

Dude anyone who wants buckshot to keep sucking just crutches on dual pistols.

If you unironically think shotguns are so strong in this game that they're fine as is, then clearly I don't actually need to take anything you say seriously.

[rose widget]

LOL okay.

[digital nacelle]

ignore him he’s a console player who takes everything personally

[hot vigil]

Dualies was a mistake.

[late wind]

And yet, people love dying to them. As any request to actually nerf them is met with a frothing tizzy.

[hot vigil]

Well, players also complain about some games (not hunt's case) being too good at matchmaking so they always have to play good instead of stomping noobs.
In short: Most people are bad at game design and goes in with it with a huge bias.

[late wind]

Balance for thee, not for me.

[hot vigil]

Also had a little idea that I no -everyone- would hate bc people hates fun and wanna be sweat lords.
But I do think the game might be more diverse and interesting if perks were a draft system instead of a buy system.
So instead of getting points to buy perks, your hunter would get 5 perks to choose one from.

[native lodge]

kill people with buckshot all the time, and duelie nerf was actually effective

[keen bolt]

Tbh I think Dualies are in a good spot right now

I didn't use them much but I didn't die to them as much as when 'crouching dualies' is a thing

[late wind]

That rework to dualies/fanning/levering was actually a buff imo. Seeing as they met in the middle between crouched and standing accuracy, while those things are less accurate crouched, they're more accurate standing. At least in my experience.

[native lodge]

I mean that crouch accuracy was the reason they were so annoying in an ambush, but even mid combat you could have your crouch set to toggle and drop into and out off crouch shotting . the accuracy nerf was very noticeable

as for buckshot, I have no issues killing people with it. other than long ammo meta.

slugs are ofc better

[keen bolt]

How

[native lodge]

yeah that doesn't make any sense

[keen bolt]

This

[late wind]

Greater standing accuracy is a buff. That should be obvious.

They met in the middle. Averaging the standing versus crouched accuracy for one standard number. Crouched got less accurate. Standing got more accurate.

[keen bolt]

They give it more standing acc?

[rose widget]

No they didnt.

[keen bolt]

Actually they nerfed it

Friggin hell

No mention of it being increased

[keen bolt]

And no it isn't buffed

It was just straight up nerfed

[rose widget]

the guy has no idea what he's talking about

[late wind]

That's what it feels like to me. So either I've been insanely lucky with my dualies shots, or the accuracy got averaged out between standing and crouched.

I mean, if for example standing has your accuracy at 1 unit, and crouched is .5, then averaged they'd be at .75. Less accurate crouched. More accurate standing.

Feels to me like standing accuracy has been buffed. But if I'm wrong then I guess RNG is just that generous.

[keen bolt]

Or dualies are OP

Xd

Tbh they are annoying

[split wasp]

I hate dualies because I hate rng

[keen bolt]

When I push with along with my shotgun mate. I always thought hell yeah I have Officer I can win this

And then dude pulls out a dualies

[split wasp]

That’s why the only dualies I like are Caldwells

[keen bolt]

Pax?

[split wasp]

Pax too

Caldwell conversion and pax

[keen bolt]

My time with them are minimal and I find it stupid

[split wasp]

Oh

[keen bolt]

I tried dual officer like twice

[split wasp]

I forgot that I also like Scottfield swift pair.

[keen bolt]

And that was it

[hot vigil]

The changes to dualies didn't change the core issue with dualies:
The oppressive amount of fire-rate they bring.

[split wasp]

Because more ammo for my centennial. Lol

[keen bolt]

You sir are a man with standard

[split wasp]

Lol.

You know it

[keen bolt]

What do you suggest we do with them?

[late wind]

Just make dualies as inaccurate as they would be IRL. Give someone from the dev team two revolvers. One in each hand. Fired like hunters in-game. Put a pumpkin at 40m. However many shots they hit, should be the average accuracy of dualies.

[split wasp]

Also, thank you.

[keen bolt]

That would make them absolutely useless tho

[late wind]

Case in point.

Usable up close. Bad at range.

[keen bolt]

Maybe we should bring back no recoil dolch too

[split wasp]

Honestly, while it doesn’t make good sense in terms of realism, I think it’d be best to adjust effective range. Sucks to get randomly headshot by dualies from 60m away.

But that change would feel bad too. Lol

[keen bolt]

Tbh nagant officer should have no recoil

And also 92

[hot vigil]

Remove them, they were a mistake.

[split wasp]

Nah.

[keen bolt]

If they ever remove anything...

I say Avtomat and dolch could go right along with Slugs on rapid fire shotguns

So rifle folks can rule the server again

Just like the good ol times

Actually now that I was reminded of old times

Why don't they bring back Hunter tier system

Tier 0 - 50 HP
Tier 1 - 100 HP
Tier 2 - 125 HP
Tier 3 - 150 HP

Perfect

Man I miss able to 1 tap Everyone with mosin and Nitro

[hot vigil]

That is taking the subject out of proportions.

But dualies, like Dolch just can't exist in a healthy form.
Look at the Dolch it needed to get nerfed down to useless before people were happy.

[keen bolt]

No like

I legit want the 1 tap mosin back 😂

I like the Idea of paying for the stronger hunter and risk everything

Or if I buy tier 1 I just have to upgrade him first

And my opinion on the Dolch is bullet spam / reload speed nerf is perfect

But it should not lose its 110 damage

Like ...legit dolch is best pistol - I prefer it than uppercut in every loadout I can put it in

Bomblance - Shotgun - rifles : everything

But then the damage nerf hit and I can't even get reliable 2 taps at distance anymore

[jovial flint]

@soft sparrow
I thought the Lancaster Howdah is a quad-barrel gun

[jovial lodge]

@floral vapor Please refrain from replying to others or trolling in #feedback , thanks.

[half stag]

there's multiper versions of it based on caliber length and size

[half stag]

the fire rate needs to be toned down first of all

why's it almost more than triple the fire rate of a single revolver

should at most be double

[keen bolt]

I see

But if it's only a double then it doesn't give any distinct advantage over say a spitfire

[half stag]

you still have volume of fire, spitfire only has six rounds, while dualies has at minimum 12 to shoot

[keen bolt]

But it has become 2 slot

[keen bolt]

Maybe Mccree was right here

[half stag]

I'll think about that for a bit. I'll just go on and talk about your dolch suggestion, which is a mixed from me, I understand where you're coming from in that most people can't use the dolch anymore in its current state (and the price tag is absurdly high in their eyes), but the people that do, it's still a beast and the changes did nothing (especially in regards to dolch precision)

[keen bolt]

Yup Balancing a game is really hard

[half stag]

agreed, also its just the way the dolch is irl

[keen bolt]

I still like the dolch tho

[half stag]

you got a 10 round box mag, with potent af rounds, a stripper clip reload, and a stocked version that has minimal recoil

[keen bolt]

And still use it from time to time in loadout that I could bring but I really couldn't justify the price tag basically

I don't use the Precision dolch for the reason that it's 2 slot

[half stag]

only way I'm fully on board with bringing the damage up to 100+ would be to remove partial reloads (the mauser can't reload partially irl anyways)

[keen bolt]

Hmmm yes

Could work

Ammo pickups would now be a pain tho

Ugh

Dolch

[half stag]

they sould've went with the borchardt imo

should've*

least that one has some awkwardness irl that they can use for gameplay balance

and fulfills the "near future cutting edge tech semi auto pistol in a western" niche that they want

[keen bolt]

they should have add alternatives for the uppercut

And compact rifle that isn't Winfield

[half stag]

gee, it's not like 3 different alternatives have been suggested monthly and yet, crytek still haven't decided to add at least 1 of them xd

[keen bolt]

What are those?

[half stag]

double barrel howdah pistol, single shot remington/martini pistol, and a 125 dmg medium sidearm with fmj as an option

[keen bolt]

Oh wait ...the last one being mine xd

[half stag]

those are the ones with actual stats that people came up with

saw a couple where people just went "hurr durr I saw forgotten weapons or I played bf1 and think this weapon looks cool"

[keen bolt]

Lmaooo

Yes I have seen those

A revolver that fire short sparks round

[keen bolt]

Double barrel Rifle would be a great gun to have

[half stag]

would be, though I think people will somehow construe it as spam or claim that it'd be "OvErPoWeReD" based on what I've seen from people suggesting it (prob cuz they are pissed that it'd be very similar to old quick swap)

also a combination gun would be cool (shotgun with a rifle round)

[keen bolt]

Old quick swap is great

[keen bolt]

This too

[hot vigil]

Just to tap in again, issue with Dolch (and dualies) is that, like in real life, fire-rate is insane benefit to any kind firearm conflict. Most guns in Hunt is slow firing, so these faster fire-rate options will always be oppressor among its peers.

Albeit real life also factor in precision, where dualies would not be that great if they were more akin to real life.

[keen bolt]

Problem with dualies I think stems from the fact that it is too fast

I think it should be a bit slower

But if it's too slow it won't be filling the role it intended to fill

[hexed whale]

What role? The one for bad players to give them a chance against players that actually put the work in to get good?

[keen bolt]

Mid-short range dominance

But it's too good for that role

That rifles are not competing against it

That's the problem

[hexed whale]

Its rng garbage. Should never have been added. In any capacity

[half stag]

normally, I would say they didn't intend to do that, but when the bloody patch notes for when dualies were added out cited that they were added the way they were to serve as something that newbs could pick up and do well with., there's a problem there

either dualies need a full rework, or major adjustments to what they want it to do

imo

[half stag]

hell, I don't even bother peaking dualies cuz Ik that even if my foot is nicked

[hexed whale]

I get why they did it from the business side so I cant really be mad. Looking at it as a player though and not a suit, it makes my blood boil

[half stag]

I get aimpunched into oblivion

[keen bolt]

This!

[hexed whale]

Honestly duallies arent a big problem for me usually. Ez to outrange and outplay. But the few times I get aimpunched into the sky or get insta headshot by them over 40 meters… i mald

[keen bolt]

Exactly

I think they should reduce the rpm to 50 ish

[half stag]

which is everyone's big problem with them

[keen bolt]

And add shit ton of sway

Then make it ads

[half stag]

Yes

[keen bolt]

And hipfire really bad

Like irl hipfire

[hexed whale]

I notice that if you use dum dum too and you catch someone out… just about nothing you can do

[keen bolt]

This is the main problem with them ...

It's oppressing mid range

[hexed whale]

Which is a shame because I feel there should be a counter play to everything. But these things are like impossible to once you get in their range

[half stag]

hell even short range you can get unlucky just due to the rng nature of dualies if you are barely out of touching distance or one tap range with your shotgun

I've shot first with my shotgun

and I get domed in the first shot from dualies xd

much skill

[hexed whale]

Maybe im just biased because I fell in love with the game very early on. All these changes that add more rng just kill me.

[keen bolt]

Same

Back then where hunter kills xp are rewarded by hunter tier

Lol

[hexed whale]

I actually never hear from new players what they think of the game. I think itd be interesting to hear what they have to say. Like people that just got into it like a few months ago

[half stag]

Idk why they simplified the game so much and then added rng on top to act as a counterweight to all the vets, when they could have just kept the depth and complexity

still mad that they axed sway and different weapon swap times

[half stag]

well they hard simp for crytek and think nothing they do can go wrong

[hexed whale]

This bro. Honestly getting stomped over and over before they added the mmr stuff just drove me to want to get good. And once I did it felt amazing to win. I feel like with custom ammo and all this rng nonsense it takes away from the rewarding feeling of knowing you deserved that win

[half stag]

I don't like calling anyone out, but there's that one nitro boosted guy that keeps defending crytek on everything like people offended his mother or something

[keen bolt]

This too

[half stag]

the custom ammo I understand (and do agree with them adding it), but my god, with the other features that work with it, it just muddles balance so hard

cough dualie fmj, cough slugs on every shotgun

[keen bolt]

If I'm being hardcore about it Only Specter and Romero should keep its slug

[half stag]

if there were no dualies, and slugs were actually restricted, I can tell you that no one would be complaining about custom ammo as much imo

[keen bolt]

Yes

Exactly

[hexed whale]

Mannnn fmj is great on anything but daulies. Its actually a skillbased ammo imo especially for vets. But like you said on duallies nah. Just spamming walls and getting lucky kills… like when you die you should always be able to be like “what did I do wrong here and how can I learn from it?” But with that? Wtf man theres nothing you can do

[half stag]

and also crytek's utter ineptitude for adding any qol for players to learn custom ammo sounds (if you didn't know, they actually have unique sound effects and yet, crytek still won't let us test fire them in 3d view)

[keen bolt]

I hate the damned thing on dualies so much

[half stag]

agreed

[keen bolt]

Fmj is love of my life if it comes to skill based ammo

But dualies fmj is a kick in the nut

[hexed whale]

I have been hoping they would add a shooting range where you just have all the weapons and ammo and unlimited ammo pool just to train your aim and ears. Would make people so much better and give new players a chance to train without getting stomped and hopefully keep them around. But I have no idea the analytics on new players so

[half stag]

ahaha, now that my friend, you are thinking critically, which Crytek unfortunately lacks in this particular demand. (They fucking canned the shooting range feature, citing that "trials and the tutorial can act as your shooting range xd")

News flash: They don't

[hot vigil]

Dualies is a crutch for bad position. Getting caught in the open with a single fire gun, Vs dualies leads to two different scenarios.

[hexed whale]

Not even close. They should be able to see how well for instance cods style of bot lobbies work. People warm up with that all the time and it actually works. Idk if its just to much work for them or what but they really need to start learning from other successful franchises because this game is a damn GEM and they are fumbling the bag imo

[keen bolt]

Ofc they don't!

Got swarmed by AI who knows your exact position

So fun!

[half stag]

even worse, they had the shooting range prototyped and showed it off (Idk where it is, I'll have to look for it)

[keen bolt]

Attacked from every angle trying to do their stupid task

[half stag]

yea! and lead your shots on grunts that just run straight at you and don't move at all like hunters, fuck yea!

[keen bolt]

Like Crytek should just read this conversation we are having right now

[hexed whale]

No way!!! What a shame. That would have saved people so much time learning to lead their shots. So much frustration new players wouldnt have to deal with. Such a shame

[keen bolt]

I spent ages trying to perfect my Winfield shot

Then bam... HV ammo

Why am I doing this to myself?

[umbral garden]

is no one gonna talk about the guy who said buckshot shotguns were pointless

[half stag]

he's always like that (occasionally he has some good takes, though most of the time they just are bad)

[keen bolt]

Who?

[hexed whale]

I agree. Maybe they do maybe they dont. I will say though, (not to sound like a crytek hater or anything) I have lost so much faith in them and their ability to drive this game forward successfully. It feels like everyones good ideas or just common sense things fall on dead ears and they add things that no one asked for or just a fringe minority asked for that doesnt really add much to the game.

[keen bolt]

I agree

[half stag]

that last part is way too true

or they have a knee jerk reaction to something and then take months (or don't even do anything about it lol) to fix it

[keen bolt]

Like I know they SHOULD help the newbs and newcomers but they add something that actually benefits Noobs and Vets more than actual New players

Like actual tutorial! (With or without story)

A Shooting range!

A guide to deal with Ai!

I love the tutorial where I stab the immo for the tutorial prompt to say "Oh you're burning Press F to bandage"

[hexed whale]

With mmr it shouldnt even be an issue. I havent even smelled a 3star in months (if they werent playing with a 6star) so it really shouldnt matter if there are no rng mechanics and everything is skillbased because you should be matched with people in your bracket anyway

[keen bolt]

Also add more detailed Stars like maybe 10 of them?

I got 2 good games and went to 6 stars and get R*ped for days

Or something along those lines

[hexed whale]

This is a really good point actually. The tutorial doesnt help at all with what the core gameplay really is. Which is pvp. So what could we do to help/train them for the main thing they are going to be up against? (You guessed it: OTHER PLAYERS) perhaps…. A shooting gallery??

[half stag]

or hell even a small story tutorial where you have an ai hunter that emphasizes how important sound is

[keen bolt]

Exactly 😂 I suggested a Storied tutorial before

[half stag]

too many new players join, think its the new cod, die over and over, and then leave, without even knowing what key things to look out for

[keen bolt]

Like you'll be in a trio with 2 hunter (whiteshirt and tier 3) where tier 3 will give the 'classic instructions'

[hexed whale]

I have to imagine the reason they dont is because it would be to difficult or a massive project to take on. Because this is making wayyyy to much sense not to do. Hunter AI would be a godsend for newbies

[keen bolt]

I've met a 5 stars

Legit

Didn't know how to kill the boss

...like... Why

[hexed whale]

Bruh. Probably a cs player that has goated aim and just translated well to the pvp side of things

[keen bolt]

Exactly that

Give him a nitro and he wipes lobby

And then dies to boss

[hexed whale]

Hahaha that would be a sight.

[keen bolt]

How do I know this guy exist?

He's my Duo partner

Sigh

'Dude just shoot at a boss'

[hexed whale]

The other problem I have with mmr

[keen bolt]

First time I teach him existence of Stamina shot he praise me like I'm a Hunt god or something

I'm not even kidding

[hexed whale]

Is that I would never and have problems recommending this game to friends. They would never stand a chance in my lobbies for MONTHS at least. They just wouldnt have fun. Why recommend a game to a friend that I cant even play with to have some fun? I think that is crippling to new players joining because most people get a game because their friends have it but with this system its nearly impossible

[keen bolt]

Exactly

[hexed whale]

Even with skillbased turned off I usually get at least 5stars because 5-6 stars are usually the only ones who turn it off anyway. So that whole “oh just turn it off ez” point Ive heard multiple times is moot

[keen bolt]

I always have them on

I have it off once and killed a legit 1 star

Who have 0 kill and 10 deaths

I might be the last straw for him

[hexed whale]

I play full 6 star teams. So having it off sometimes means we get lower elo teams that actually want to peek from under 200m which is fun.

Which I think is the whole idea of high elo turning it off.

[keen bolt]

6 stars are so diverse

Sometimes I got really aggressive player with perfect movement

And other times I stepped into random building and caught a trap and slug to the face

Like not even boss compound

[hexed whale]

Theres obviously only so much they can do to make things even. I think they just need to accept the fact that they made a harsh unforgiving game and stop trying to coddle the newbies. If they want to get good they will and the people who put the time in will not suffer or have the headache of rng and want to quit. Perfect example of this is Rust. That game is hard af to learn and look how well its doing.

[keen bolt]

Yeah

It's true

[half stag]

or more importantly, actually go at it from a logical angle rather than adding gameplay features and mechanics that lower the skill curve/ceiling