feedback-discussion

[keen bolt]

Slow firing non spammy gun

It should be really restrictive

[hot vigil]

Not sure I can think of a gun that wouldn't become an issue if they added such ammo, maybe the Springfield would be okay with it.

[keen bolt]

I would give access to pistol

Pax for example

No Scottsfield

[hot vigil]

Issue with that is that would make dualies more deadly.
And another issue is that slow fire weapons tends to be huge damage already, so it would just make those weapons more deadly.

[keen bolt]

It will ofc

Be effective only within 10- 15m

Depending on the ammo type

[hot vigil]

I would love this ammo for most revolvers if dualies weren't a thing.

But the existence of dualies breaks it.

[keen bolt]

I wouldn't make em 1 shot kill tbh

A very special niche should I say

[hot vigil]

No, but it would lessen the amount of "unluckly shots"

[keen bolt]

Could be

But since it's medium ammo I think it's fair

Noone dual pax

Most of the times

[hot vigil]

Well, if it meant that it pushed pax into being a viable dual weapon I would also see it as a loss

bc I don't like dualies in my hunt :b

So lets take the pax, rn an arm shot at 0 to 20m deals 68 damage. So even a 7 damage increase makes arm shots 2 tap.

[keen bolt]

At 20m it will have 0.7 modifier

[hot vigil]

okay, but dualies is usually used at 20m or less range.

[keen bolt]

At that point I'd say most dualies will kill in 2 regardless of the ammo type

[hot vigil]

Well, dual pax doesn't

Conversion deals 64 damage to arms.

[unborn smelt]

@marsh path MMR is delayed - you actually ranked up last match, it just displayed the change later.

[keen bolt]

Good point

What if I only allow it on rifles

[hot vigil]

Like, I -love- the idea, just dualies making it scary :b

I can see it on the springfield.

Centennial, bc why not?

Tho that might just become a "beefy winfield at that point"

[keen bolt]

Hmmm I did think of the damage curve for it

[hot vigil]

here is some charts of the weapons damage to upper torso

not 100% sure if its up to date.

[keen bolt]

Making a Centennial 130 damage within 20m would be cool

[hot vigil]

Winfield might be okay too, levering is a big buy-in, but the issue might be it just becomes "better centennial"

[keen bolt]

And Springfield....maybe 140?

[hot vigil]

would for sure use it on a compact springfield!

[keen bolt]

I plan of these to have 0.6 modifier out of 30m thi

[hot vigil]

and vetterli needs no more love.

[keen bolt]

Tho

[keen bolt]

I agree

[hot vigil]

That would take the Springfield down to 84 dmg at 30m.

[hot vigil]

I mean, it is a great gun, but it just does -everything-, especially better than Centennial.

[keen bolt]

I didn't plan to have it on the vett actually

[hot vigil]

mb, I meant springfield :b

[keen bolt]

Oh yeah

84 at 30m is okay

[hot vigil]

it's like an lemat

[keen bolt]

Yup

Fmj will do better job at 30m

And up

[hot vigil]

Also like the idea it is a medium ammo thing.

[keen bolt]

Exactly

[hot vigil]

Shame the pax can't have it :(

Or well, I guess it could, not like there is anything that doesn't fly nowadays

[keen bolt]

Well

I mean don't make dualies op

Dualies DID actually pass my radar

I wasn't accounting for it when making the idea

[hot vigil]

It is also hard to keep an overview of every aspect

[keen bolt]

I did think of spitfire and fanning

But since dual pax is so rare lol

[hot vigil]

Yeah, well your initial suggestion didn't mention it was for medium ammo in mind, so I think a lot of people think worst case of Sparks/Mosin or Dual Conversions.

[keen bolt]

Xd

Actually I did plan it for long ammo

It was quickly scrapped

[hot vigil]

Damn, chill satan! Anyways.

Springfield Soft point ammo:

• 16 shots.
• 140dmg up to 10m, scaling down to 84 damage (0.6 modifier) at 30m.

Centennial Soft point ammo:

• 14 shots.
• 135dmg up to 10m, scaling down to 81 damage (0.6 modifier) at 30m.

[keen bolt]

Thanks for the statistics!

Was worried about doing math myself

[hot vigil]

No problems :b

[keen bolt]

Such a great gents

[hot vigil]

Still worried about the Centennial tho, it does starts getting into the Winfield's turf. But the range and speed of the winfield might be enough for the Centennial not to dominate.

[keen bolt]

Yup

And also the horrible levering

[hot vigil]

yeah, shouldn't be an issue.

Also I'm more keen to be less worried about levering as a "rapid fire threat" to designs as it actually gated by a perk.

[keen bolt]

Yup

I actually thought Cent was gonna be 'The' gun

When it debuted

And then when I see the price and hipfire I knew instantly

This gun is trash unless you click heads

[hot vigil]

Eyup also

Your soft point ammo can still headshot from quite the distance.

[keen bolt]

It could

But totally sucks at body shot

[hot vigil]

Which is fair

[keen bolt]

Except on Springfield when you Really need to push a lair

[hot vigil]

Even the weakest guns like Bornheim headshots up to 60m.

[keen bolt]

Gotta love it when it's still 50ish damage

[hot vigil]

Also how much bullet muzz do you think it shave off?

if you say a flat 20%, it would bring the Springfield down to around 390m/s (392, but rounded it down for a clean number) and the Centennial would go down to 480m/s

[keen bolt]

I am thinking -100 for cent and -90 for Springfield

Anyway it's going on a downvote train XD

[hot vigil]

Take the feedback, re-contextualize, improve and provide numbers.

People tends to always imagine the worst case scenario, as did I afterall :b

[keen bolt]

It's true

The post was unfinished

In fact I did draw a damage graph

[hot vigil]

Well, don't have to be that throughout, but just yeah, people are more open to ideas if they are tangible.

[round maple]

There is clearly something happening if I ran into multiple games in a row. I don't know if they are farming elo or found out some VPN way to get kills but they sit down there the entire match and die with the bounty. People know that you don't get xp or awarded the kill anymore so clearly it's not that. I still think the red-skull mechanic needs changes anyway. When a team that doesn't care about deaths zergs you with perma-resing team mates on 50 bars there is a problem. Maybe it should actually kill you if you res someone with only a 50 bar. Or it needs to be tied to bounty seconds, but always being able to res is dumb.

[keen bolt]

True... Have you seen my shotgun post btw

Title: Small Bore Shotgun

[hot vigil]

That seemed to go over well

[keen bolt]

I mean your opinion xd

[hot vigil]

Hmmm, hard for me to conceptualize it in my head.

Of the identity of such weapons and what they bring to the overall gameplay environment.

[keen bolt]

it's kinda like even cheaper shotgun XD

that forces shotgun user to push

or so that is what I wish it would be

due to tighter spread and more pellets landing

[hot vigil]

Well, just sounds like fair slugs

[karmic ivy]

@hushed pagoda You can select only one. simply de-select the second option.

[digital nacelle]

@late wind you cannot be suggesting we nerf the bomblance

it’s the worst pvp 3 slot in the game

shotguns beat it every time

[frosty garnet]

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[hushed pagoda]

Thank you very much i never knew that.

[final badge]

@keen bolt ❤️

a compact springfield with harmonica maganize would the the memest meme that ever memed

[fluid locust]

He likes to rant about balanced things being op and the dolch being too weak.

[digital nacelle]

of all the things to nerf the bomblance is perhaps the silliest

[late wind]

Why would anyone ever run any other melee when this thing exists? Or make the Ax and Machete stronger. Honestly I don't care.

[late wind]

Clearly you've never used a bomb lance. You can dunk on shotgun users pretty easily lmao.

[digital nacelle]

clearly you just suck at using a shotgun

bomblance is awful

oh wait you're a console player it all makes sense now LOL

bomblance should be stronger than axe/machete...it is a 3 slot while those are 2 & 1 slot weapons respectively

[native lodge]

melee is a meme to begin with on PC, I will let console players debate its balance on console

because I have no clue about console Hunt

[digital nacelle]

I'm gonna be honest console players should just play another game if they expect any semblance of balance

this game was clearly made for PC first...its design prioritizes precision that cannot be attained with controller imo

yes crytek does consider console feedback occasionally as can be seen with the neutering of explosive ammo, but they're not going to change melee

[hot vigil]

Yeah Bomblance (on PC) is not great, almost the only consolidation is that it also comes with strong melee options.

And tbh, it is stilly a game like Hunt is not balanced for separate platforms. Even a super casual game like Overwatch is.

[late wind]

In perfect fantasy lalaland where there are no hitreg or desyncronization issues I 100% agree shotguns are better.

But in reality; where hitreg and desyncronization issues do occur, shotguns are memes in this game. At least without slugs.

[hot vigil]

Sounds like it more needs a no hitreg or desyncronization issue fix then

[digital nacelle]

hitreg would negatively affect both shotguns AND melee…lol

[native lodge]

also a vast majority of hit reg complaints are just misses

[digital nacelle]

^

[karmic ivy]

^

[unborn smelt]

you say this like many are balanced diffrently - however most are not

overwatch is one, that A) has a competetive scene, more so than Hunt, and B) is one of the few with diffrent balancing

and even there the diffrences in console and PC don't change the majority of the game afaik - last time i checked it only changed Tobjorn and Symetra due to their autonomous targeting turrets

[fluid locust]

Legit people can't come to terms that they're bad and miss a lot so they blame hit reg

I mean hell even good players miss shots a decent amount

[fluid locust]

He also has a hate boner for the uppercut and wants the dolch buffed. Even on console shotguns are shotguns. Don't exactly require aim.

[unborn smelt]

you have to aim shotguns none the less - their bad reputation comes from people not doing so

[hot vigil]

Bastion too, but also how much aim assist the game have and such.
and just because it have a competitive scene, doesn't make the game more hardcore.

[unborn smelt]

well hardcore and competetive can be two diffrent opposites to casual

i understood it in the "competetive" sense as opposed to hardcore

none the less saying "even overwatch" would imply most or at least a decent amount, like 50%+ hardcore games are balanced seperately - which afaik is not really the case

as the vast majority of games usually just accept that the meta one plattforms may be a bit diffrent

[queen jungle]

@warm coyote Your team has a matchmaking rating of 5 stars, the team you are referring to has a rating of 5.5. So it's perfectly normal you get matched against each other, the difference is pretty small.

[hot vigil]

Most hardcore games are not on console

[unborn smelt]

can you name one hardcore game with diffrent balance on console then?

I personally can only think of maybe 3 games in total with diffrent balance, one being WoT (where stealth is balanced diffrently because of console hardware limits), Overwatch (Where it's only a very select few heroes afaik) and Siege, the most comparable as there recoil patterns are diffrent on Pc and console

[late wind]

I've never said I want the dolch outright buffed. But yeah let's just make stuff up about each other.

[steady prism]

i definitely want Dolch outright buffed...

tho i only want it to cost less

[digital nacelle]

to be fair the uppercut should probably do 124dmg and the dolch is extremely overpriced

but the bomblance??? lmao

[steady prism]

honestly im quite sick of seeing uppercut all the time...

[digital nacelle]

I’m not. free donations

could use some tuning though

[steady prism]

i dont mind its performance... i just hate the fact that its definitive best sidearm

basically there are no alternatives

dolch costs too much to effectively rival it

[digital nacelle]

I don’t think it is

[steady prism]

and there are no other long ammo slow-ish sidearms that you could opt to take instead of uppercut

[digital nacelle]

spitfire also is the best

[steady prism]

its not bad

[digital nacelle]

albeit for closer quarters

[steady prism]

ye

[digital nacelle]

just make long ammo special ammo ez

and uppercut stays long

or make uppercut special ammo

one of the two

[steady prism]

like... for close range battles you could take bornheim (even though its weak-ish rn), officer, 92 or Spitfire

[digital nacelle]

bornheim
bornheim match

[steady prism]

for long range you could take uppercut or pax which is just worse in its role or schoffield which is just worse in its role

[steady prism]

love it personally

[digital nacelle]

it’s my favorite gun

[steady prism]

bornheim match is THE BEST gun rn in game

[digital nacelle]

agreed

[steady prism]

love that from the bottom of my heart

[digital nacelle]

got a great game the other day where I two tapped someone with it at around 100 meters
both shots were headshots lmaooo

[steady prism]

noice

personally i think that more variety couldnt hurt

[digital nacelle]

oh for sure

has to be worthwhile though

[steady prism]

like... we just got another DA revolver and new pump action shotgun... both are great additions for me

[digital nacelle]

unlike new army which has no reason to exist

[steady prism]

i actually like 92 more than officer

[digital nacelle]

interesting

[steady prism]

i got beef with officers iron sights

• i like faster reload

[digital nacelle]

I find the spitfire is usually quick enough

and has way more consistency and range

so I don’t use either officer or 92

[unborn smelt]

I mean the 92 and slate do have reasons to exist - but other weapons likely would have had bigger niches to fill and potential for more variets

[steady prism]

yes

id like to see the million times suggested colt lightning

[digital nacelle]

slate has more of a reason to exist than 92

[steady prism]

or evans

something compact ammo

[digital nacelle]

a more fluid but less powerful specter

I like slate

[digital nacelle]

pump action compact ammo rifle when

[steady prism]

thats colt lightning 😄

[steady prism]

same... its great gun

[digital nacelle]

is it? then I want that

[steady prism]

i would also love to see 1-slot volcanic pistol and 2-3 slot volcanic rifle

[unborn smelt]

well someone who likes specter a lot might even argue it completely outshines it

[steady prism]

it feels better

[digital nacelle]

I wouldn’t as it has more ammo & power

[unborn smelt]

barely less power than a specter - but a fuccing huge nearly 50% RoF increase

• less trait reliance

[steady prism]

and since im lately struggling to onetap with specter, i actually dont mind its weaker dmg at all

[digital nacelle]

specter is better with traits imo

kind of like the old carbine vs winfield debate

that debate is dead now that carbine is dead

but it used to be that carbine was the better option for new hunters

[unborn smelt]

Well yes because carbine was nerfed because it did overshadow the winnie by a good bit

[digital nacelle]

I don’t think it did

it was fine

[unborn smelt]

well most, safe to say the majority did

[digital nacelle]

still upset they neutered it

I don’t know if that’s true

[unborn smelt]

I mean yes they nerfed it too much

[digital nacelle]

but regardless

I don’t mind having a weapon that is a ‘better version’ before traits are acquired

and I wouldn’t mind a specter buff either

[steady prism]

i dunno... it still seems pretty usable to me

[unborn smelt]

But essentially doubling the RoF while loosing only 6 dmg was in fact really making the winnie almost obsolete

[digital nacelle]

not when you had traits

[unborn smelt]

even then

[digital nacelle]

double magazine size, way more total ammo

levering

[unborn smelt]

traits only bump up winnie Rof from 50 to 60 rpm

[digital nacelle]

I’d rather have a traited winfield than prenerf carbine

[digital nacelle]

but levering

[unborn smelt]

no where near as good as the 100 of the carbine

[digital nacelle]

and especially since levering worked with crouch before

[unborn smelt]

means you can't ads

or don't get the RoF

[digital nacelle]

you didn’t have to within carbine’s best range

[unborn smelt]

carbine gets both without needing a trait

[digital nacelle]

it was more versatile

carbine needed a compact ammo secondary

7/14 for a 3 slot primary that fires quickly isn’t enough

[unborn smelt]

21 spare was definetly enough

it wasn't massive ammo pool

[steady prism]

centennial could get levering buff...

[unborn smelt]

but good enough

[digital nacelle]

it was 14 spare

[unborn smelt]

no

[digital nacelle]

and it absolutely wasn’t good enough

[unborn smelt]

it was 21 in the beginning afaik

[digital nacelle]

100%

[unborn smelt]

it was leter nerfed to 14 alongside the officer

[digital nacelle]

was it? well..I speak from my experience when it was 14

all nerfs beyond that were unnecessary

[unborn smelt]

yes with 14 it gets really low on ammo

[steady prism]

id like it to be slower than standart winchester but make it A LOT more accurate than what it currently is

[digital nacelle]

agreed

[unborn smelt]

well they were not specifically for that gun - it just got hit with blanket nerfs to all semi auto

[digital nacelle]

I know

they should have excepted it

another reason spitfire is op, it doesn’t get the double action sway kek

[unborn smelt]

yeah kind of - but then again we know the tantrum that's thrown when something with high rof is good

[digital nacelle]

mmh

bornheim match is very good

double rof

not as good as prenerf carbine but almost scratches that itch for me

[unborn smelt]

It's okay

[steady prism]

shush... they dont know 😄

[unborn smelt]

wouldn't call it very good

[steady prism]

lets keep them in bliss ignorance

[digital nacelle]

needs hv

but when you have hv

yummy

[steady prism]

even without them

[unborn smelt]

like it's what nearly 300$ and a medium slot

[steady prism]

2 superfast taps into torso = death

[digital nacelle]

300 for medium slot isn’t bad at all

idc about price

[unborn smelt]

but those need to both hit torso

[digital nacelle]

give me prenerf carbine that costs $600

[unborn smelt]

if one hits a limb it's no 2 tap

[steady prism]

yes

[unborn smelt]

if you're out of spitting range it's no 2 tap

[steady prism]

but its so fast you can easily mend it

[unborn smelt]

if there's a bit of cover it's no 2 tap

[digital nacelle]

if price be your issue give me original carbine at $800 price

[steady prism]

and that lightning fast reload is just 👌

[digital nacelle]

I will run it every game

[unborn smelt]

it's compared to what else you get for 300$

[digital nacelle]

I think it’s better

but ok

it’s so good at fishing for headshots

[unborn smelt]

I mean it may be perfect for your playstyle

so for you it may be the best

but there's a good reason most people prefer a long ammo rifle, or uppercut or DB with slugs

[steady prism]

whats your personal favorite @unborn smelt ?

[digital nacelle]

slugs and long ammo are nice. personally I value versatility above all

which is why martini riposte is a top rifle for me

[unborn smelt]

depends - propably bomblance, (or all melee really)

[steady prism]

martini riposte is great

[steady prism]

bomb lance is just great laugh

[unborn smelt]

other than that Bow and hatchett are things i really like

[steady prism]

so much fun with that thing

[steady prism]

the only thing i dont like about bow is that it cant pen nothing

[digital nacelle]

don’t forget - bornheim match is the only gun in the game with aa
feels that way anyway

[steady prism]

but other than that its great

[digital nacelle]

we need fmj arrows

like shotbolt

but arrow

[unborn smelt]

I'm not the biggest fan of it's passive play focus tbh

[steady prism]

instead of poison arrows

[unborn smelt]

but it's cool none the less

[steady prism]

i like pushing with it since even tho you are easier to hit, i also tend to score more hits while moving slowly

and lots of people dont expect it so they tend to miss their first shot

[unborn smelt]

yeah with my usual mates it just means i get headshot

[steady prism]

😄

[digital nacelle]

by a bornheim match mayhaps

[unborn smelt]

some of em are just 6 stars that delete everything they see and i meet enemies accordingly

[digital nacelle]

fair

[steady prism]

i see 😄

[unborn smelt]

mostly Uppercut and Mosin

like that's on every second guy

[steady prism]

i actually never played with randoms

we always que as duo or more often as trios

[unborn smelt]

i rather play solo than randoms

not because i don't trust randoms

[steady prism]

since i ve managed to convert number of poor souls to buy this broken piece of

[unborn smelt]

But because i do enjoy solo games every now and again

[steady prism]

ye... i dont mind quickplay as well

its just Hunt to me is a place to socialize with my mates

[unborn smelt]

I'm not a big fan of QP

[steady prism]

like League of Legends or other similar stuff people play

[unborn smelt]

too close to BR for my taste

i usually do solo BH if i solo

[steady prism]

ye

Tarkov is different to me

[fresh lynx]

@fallen lichen
"Texture streaming is grotesquely low already to give the trash servers more air to breathe."
I don't think texture streaming has anything to do with networking or server activity. Graphical rending is handled by the client side GPU.

[steady prism]

But Hunt is just enough casual

feels nice to have few games with dudes

[unborn smelt]

havent touched tarkov in years - just didn't have the time anymore in UNI

[steady prism]

same

but since i ve just finished my bachelors thesis im free to game whole summer :3

i mean... i still have to pass exams but that wont be as hard as making the damn bachelors thesis 😦

[unborn smelt]

@queen jungle afaik it does on no pistol at all

pretty apparent on the chain pistol too

[queen jungle]

Oh damn

Well now they know what to do for the next small detail update

[steady prism]

chain pistol makes no sense at all...

[fresh lynx]

but its so cooooool

[steady prism]

ye i dont mean the actual gun

but the animations

they simply exist but its all wrong 😄

just like bornheim animations

id say currently 2 most broken weapons

[unborn smelt]

@maiden bone Afaik both fixed with 1.8.1 coming tomorrow to live

[maiden bone]

I hope, thank you

[simple flame]

Huh, just had a post removed from suggestions. I realized I'd posted it in the wrong place, so I deleted the original from feedback and posted it in suggestions - maybe a mod thought I'd double posted?

[unborn smelt]

how long ago did you post it

There Is auto deletion for posts that don't follow the format

Title:
description: ...
but usually you can see if it got deleted

and i didn't find a deletion in the botlogs either - only 2 edits of you in feedback and hunt general

[half stag]

@queen jungle y'know, if you actually don't use fanning and just tap fire, the cylinder does actually rotate, but its bugged so that once it completes the rotation, it just reverts back to its previous position (you can see it clearly in the 3D View model as well when firing)

[unborn smelt]

I wouldn't say it's bugged

there's a real chance it's on purpose

ofc it performs a face rotation to create the feel of it rotating - but having it actually rotate means for consistency you need to save the state in which the weapon was at the time you stopped shooting, and while i can't say how much of a technical issue this would be to implement with what they have available now, it's also largely unnecessary

it would be cool if there was that consistency - but it doesn't hinder gameplay at all if it's not either

so they may have purposefully decided that the resources are better used elswhere

[simple flame]

Sorry, stepped away. It was that fo sho

[hollow plaza]

Hi with ammo is better for pistols Fmj or dum dum

[fluid locust]

Fmj. Makes compact and medium damage drop off start at 40m instead of 20. Also increases one shot headshot range.

[sharp veldt]

@maiden bone yes, 1.8.1 comes out tomorrow (Monday).

[frosty garnet]

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[simple flame]

That's a great idea though

[orchid wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1sCcgSQGsQ

[crystal plume]

What does this video have to do with hunt

[unborn dagger]

This is a genuine question but what exactly is the issue with having a cap over hunt dollars?

I struggle with making cash so I'm not in the group of having a shit ton of hunt dollars, I'm usually in the 20k range

[crystal plume]

I think it's just silly to try and artificially prevent good players from making bank with a cap

Add more ways of spending rather than a cap on earnings, that makes much more sense imo

[unborn dagger]

That's a fair point

[sharp veldt]

20k is a LOT to me 😂 I prestige asap and usually have like 10k on a good one and 2k or less on a bad one

[unborn dagger]

I lose cash super fast cause I have losing streaks a lot of the time so 20k feels like 100 bucks for me dx

[dense sapphire]

this

[fresh lynx]

@pallid roost Could you elaborate what you mean by the game punishing you for playing the objective? It's how you earn tons of hunt bucks and a lot of XP.

[dense sapphire]

My only GUESS is that they're referring to how disadvantageous holding bounty is. Theres a common joke that picking up bounty is the same as being "marked for death"

[hot vigil]

Be the first team to pick up the bounty in duo is just to paint a big target on your head.
It have lead to some games where people refuse to pick up the bounty and instead camp around the lair.

I will preface that I mostly play and enjoy trios. Duo for me, is always a "funky" experience where players tends to gravitate towards "low risk, high reward" gameplans.

[queen jungle]

@dense fjord frags should not pen period

[hot vigil]

^This^

[dense sapphire]

Yes

Granted, some instances are when tiny cracks let the full damage through.

[dense fjord]

They need to be nerfed again

I’m fine with them existing but they need to cost a premium and fill a niche rather than being the all powerful timed throwable

[hot vigil]

Agreed. Dynamite just feels strictly worse.

[dense fjord]

I consider going even further with nerfs but what I suggested is a good starting point to see how it plays out further in my opinion.

A slight price bump might be nice

[hot vigil]

Making it a luxury just shifts the balance.

[half stag]

it would be cool imo if dynamite applied the ear-deafening effect if you stand close to the explosion, could be a small buff to it

[fossil frost]

@keen bolt
i really like the springfield harmonica concept, however rather than an addition to the springfield line have it it's own line with a full length version and variants of that. it would also allow for room to balance as its own weapon instead of being tied to the single shot version much like the two compact ammo winnies. this would also stop it from making the springfield unlock line as flooded as the mosin unlock line.

[keen bolt]

Exactly but there's already an idea for its own separate unlock line

I just feel that it fits well on the Springfield

Less stress for dev to change models and stuff

Plus Springfield really is kinda underpowered and could of used some more variants

There's like only 2 big Springfield variants I think

Standard and Marksman

[fossil frost]

so your suggestion isnt just for a compact version?

I think a full size version would also be a nice addition as well

[ruby violet]

@simple flame how about make it an upgrade point cost to remove traits and a hunter can get points after lvl 50

[dense sapphire]

@late wind (Chalk Rounds)
Cool idea but losing pen for such a slight advantage that requires good teammates makes it a horrible pick

[late wind]

Yeah but consider that it would also cut down on people whining that their shots weren't headshots. Hard to say anything else when the guy has a big blue chalk stain on his shoulder.

[dense sapphire]

I mean sure, if people actually brought it

[late wind]

I think it'd be an extremely useful tool both as a learning instrument (fine tuning where to place your sights) and as a helpful identification implement in team fights.

If you don't think you need it, don't buy it.

[cobalt karma]

I agree , a 10-15 second increase would be great. Tired of traveling across the map for these runners (who probably arm themselves with OP exploding crossbows), and who belong on a test server shooting zombies

[fluid locust]

imagine saying explosive crossbow is OP lmao. especially on PC. after it got nerfed like 10 million times

[digital nacelle]

calling explosive crossbow OP is like asking to nerf bomblance

[keen bolt]

Exactly not just the small one

[simple flame]

Oh, that's a nice suggestion, and it's neat because there's no learning curve. What you see is what you get in terms of cost and return.

[ruby magnet]

Id personally like it more to see shirts coated in blood where they got hit at. Though on darker skins that probably doesn't contrast as well.
Would be cool to see a whiteshirt completely covered in blood because it got downed so many times.
Fresh shirt and removed stains on the next match of course.

Though that probably taxes the system more.

[spice topaz]

Fresh shirt for BBs of course

[vast geyser]

@warm zephyr Mosin Obrez has sway because the stock is missing which makes aiming more difficult since you can't balance it out against your upper arm or shoulder.

[warm zephyr]

idt using 2 hands on the obrez should have more sway than using the front heavy uppercut. Unless you have very convincing arguments, 2 slot weapons should just be superior to 1 slot weapons. Have a nice day.

[vast geyser]

they are superior in things like damage and bullet speed. if they had the same sway/recoil as their 3-slot counterparts, what would be the downside?

[warm zephyr]

You should see the bigger picture and my suggestion once again. I suggested having more recoil instead of bad sway. I also did not mention it being the same as the 3 slots. Learn to read.

[vast geyser]

and I told you that "having more recoil instead of bad sway" doesnt make any sense because the sway is justified due to the missing stock. if you think that the uppercut has not enough sway, then that's not an issue of the Obrez.

[warm zephyr]

agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

[vast geyser]

whatever...

[winter zenith]

Do you have to claim your summon rewards, or are they given automatically?

The weapon rewards, that is.

[unborn smelt]

Sways not justified tho...
Because pistols dont have it either...

More recoil however would because it fires a rifle cartrige out of a lighter stockless rifle.

[vast geyser]

High sway would render pistols useless. It's gonna be a similar discussion when talking about the "real" range of a shotgun. It has to be balanced out.

[native lodge]

more recoil, less sway, and I don't think iron sharp shooter should apply to the obrez. and priced accordingly

obrezes should shoot slow as they are awkward to cycle, but shouldn't have more sway than a one handed pistol

[warm zephyr]

I think the firerate should only be marginally worse than the big mosin

In account of the recoil

[native lodge]

I think the fire rate needs to be a fair bit worse than both the mosin and the uppercut

[warm zephyr]

That'd make it too weak as a 2 slot weapon imo

[native lodge]

it would make a decent shotgun users friend if it was a good weapon but it needs to have draw backs

and the draw back is you have slower follow up shots

uppercut is less stable but shoots faster

and the full length mosin should be better than the obrez and everyway

other than the fact is two slot

don't need to gut it ofc

but taking away iron sharp shooter as a perk option is a start

[warm zephyr]

The 2 slot weapons in this game is already weak as is. I think it needs all the buffs it can get

[native lodge]

they are weak because the sway is absurd

[warm zephyr]

Also iron sharpshooter on the obrez is fun. So lets not take that away

[native lodge]

it also makes no sense on top of the fact, it needs to be worse than the full length mosin as iirc. thats why two slot weapons got those sway nerfs in the first place

[warm zephyr]

The recoil is enough.

[native lodge]

nah

recoil isn't going to be enough

[warm zephyr]

Agree to disagree.

[native lodge]

I mean sure, but at the end of the day, 2 slot weapons got nerfed into the ground for a reason

if we want them to be decent they can't be over buffed

[unborn smelt]

As it does with sawn off rifles...

Thats why some people want them to have other downsides than shit sway

[digital nacelle]

^

[vague patio]

@queen jungle tbh, no. Burning is really strong, and that one is basically the only other non contact way to counter besides choke bombs

and it still is a huge risk

you friend might die immdediatly anyway and loose that bar, and when in area fire due to firebombs it still sets them on fire anyway

[sharp veldt]

@lethal galleon the decrease to Golden Cash Registers was the same on Live as Test. Not two different decreases, just for clarity

[hot vigil]

Can we please get a recoil reduction on dragonbreaths? Especially for LeMat, the recoil is stupid

[lunar spear]

@delicate abyss @sharp veldt @paper goblet With all due respect, and I understand I will probably be reprimanded for pinging you guys but what was the reason for removing colorgrading in the files, personally I find it near impossible to see due to my colorblindness and that was the only way I could see, just seems odd to me that it was removed or "banned" with no talk about it

[lone aurora]

Are the Telekom issues fixed or still ongoing? Not realy a point for me to buy DLC or play the new patch if the issues are still existent

[half stag]

That is actually a very good point for why reshade and that color grading thing should be allowed.

Reshade*

[sharp veldt]

There were some CVAR files that were editable which was never intended. We are actively looking into some Colorblind options to increase accessibility. What things are specifically difficult for you? I can pass that on to the team and they can take it on board with what they're working on 🙂

[half stag]

@silent tartan sorry for the ping but if you want to know why it got disabled ^

[unborn dagger]

I would take high recoil over shitty sway, at least then I could actually aim my damn shots

[silent tartan]

👍

[lunar spear]

So I am yellow blue colorblind and with reshade and color grading i was able to actively highlight more reds that balanced it out but i opened up the game today and was met with a little bit of despair cause seeing anything became near impossible, i changed my reshade settings to where its playable but it really just wasnt the same

[sharp veldt]

Got it. I'll pass this on!

[lunar spear]

Thank you!

[proper heart]

#feedback message this is a troll, right?

[astral lantern]

To be honest, I was not willing to play evening time couse Im blind and it was difficult for me but when I tested this change with grading 0 I was playing this time of day wihtout leaving map ;D and in addidion the red vision was nice 🙂

[lunar spear]

exactly, it just seems so odd to me, it really provided no ostensible advantage and with all due respect to crytek alot of their playerbase also plays tarkov who embraced the color grading so i just dont understand why it was removed, i guess it wasnt supposed to be like a thing but i guess i just find it odd it was changed with no player feedback

[static gorge]

This is your fault tbh

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[round maple]

Change probably should have come with an additional setting to do it in game, but hopefully gets added in next patch.

[astral lantern]

And another thing is reshade, and this message is to DEVS aswell, you remove nvida filters which allow to have better sharpness and other stuff and now you let people play on reshade wich have 1000 more options but now I cant use it couse it's taking me performance down by 20fps so 60fps is sheet to play with but nvida didnt take nothing so goo for you guys for your decisions 😉

[silent tartan]

good

[half stag]

I mean, you can still do what nvidia filters did in the control panel now (but still tho, you don't get as many options as you did before as you have said)

[astral lantern]

no, there is nothing I checked, not even sharpness

[half stag]

Really? Well that sucks. (Tho I think sharpening got put in some weird spot, I think you have to enable image scaling now to see it)

[static gorge]

right. Good that you ruined the game for those who have colorblind issues or low end monitors. Ok lol.

[silent tartan]

just use colorblind option on windows

[static gorge]

Hopefully they add a new way to do this without file manipulation. But until then, those who needed this are shit outa of luck

[silent tartan]

or just use reshade

[static gorge]

If that was the case, youwouldn't have made a whole ass video about colorgrading, Rachta.

[silent tartan]

So why do you think I made a video about it?

[lunar spear]

to be fair, I do use colorblind options but color grading did help drastically, look i respect you and your content but this isnt your rodeo so id respectfully ask you stop talking about colorblindness

[static gorge]

You're the one that made it, so you tell me. But your coverage on it more than likely turned heads and caused this. So... It was unnecessary

[silent tartan]

The colorgranding filter was not intended at all for colorblind people

[silent tartan]

because ive seen few people use it, wondered myself if it gives adnvetage or something. So thats why I made a video to see how crytek is going to react

[lunar spear]

yeah but it helped and i wasnt the only one who had made that clear to crytek kek

[sharp veldt]

lets not gang up on Rachta. His video is far from the only one, and many many streamers were using it as well

[static gorge]

You used it and saw that it really doesnt give people an upperhand. No more than reshade.

[silent tartan]

Again, there is colorblind in windows and I think crytek said theyre working on color blind settings in game?

[static gorge]

Im not mad, Im just stating opinions and staying civil

[lunar spear]

agreed, sorry wasnt trying to

[silent tartan]

Yeah ive seen it as interesting content to make, since nobody makes videos like that one

[static gorge]

@silent tartan make it known now, no one is hating. Its just feelings thats all

[silent tartan]

I just wanted to see what crytek thinks about people using it

[lunar spear]

colorblind window options dont reflect in game thats all there is to it, im gonna stop typing in respect to the mods but id seriously ask you to just take a step back and think

[silent tartan]

again tell crytek to add colorblind settings in game

[fresh lynx]

Also awesome ninja vid Rachta, good stuff

[lunar spear]

i did kekw

[sharp veldt]

We are working on colorblind option in game 😄

[lunar spear]

THANK YOU!

[silent tartan]

yeah then just wait

[static gorge]

You.. you're the one with all the influence lol

[static gorge]

Good to hear. Hopefully its colorgrading

[silent tartan]

Yeah

I wanted to know personally what crytek thinks about it

and just asking is usually not enough

[tribal wyvern]

If something is not allowed by Crytek it's probably not a better idea to hide it either.
Especially if it can be abused. Better to have a system supported by Crytek themselves, that they develop & implement ,even if it means waiting a while for it.

Tho i think a system like colorblindness should be in the game from day 1, it's far to common.

[fathom geyser]

yes lets buy a better programm

lmao

what a guy

[silent tartan]

I always say

I like exposing stuff that might not be allowed, I'm just mad when small amount of people are using it without any risks

Making stuff public to everyone increases in usage, but at least crytek is "forced" to do something about it

Great example is ladder glitch

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*Kill a hunter while you're blinded by your own flash bomb.*

My name is Caleb.
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[silent tartan]

The colorgrading was just my personal curiousity. I've seen it long time ago, tried it myself, couldn't find any adventages so I made a vid about it to see what crytek thinks about it

[fresh lynx]

@hard lava Love the flavor of the challenge but it seems pretty unwieldy/frustrating to pull off.

[unborn dagger]

That's just annoying rng type of stuff.

At least with being poisoned you can actually see

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[tribal wyvern]

?

[fathom geyser]

#game-ideas message

[tribal wyvern]

Oh hahah

[fluid locust]

It was still pretty neat and I am sad it's gone. Made the game look prettier to me imo.

[digital nacelle]

@umbral garden it’s not just single shots and bolt actions. there are lever action rifles as well

[umbral garden]

other than the cent they’re all compact, i don’t see how adding one semiautomatic rifle would like destroy the game or the “realism”

a med/long ammo semi auto with maybe 2 variants

[sick anvil]

All hail the spam guns

[digital nacelle]

tbh I just want a pump action rifle

[digital nacelle]

spam guns are more fun. fishing for headshots is great

[sick anvil]

ye why not adding a shoulder stapped gatling gun and rotaty cannons

[umbral garden]

it woudnt even be a spam i mean semi automatic and automatic aren’t they same and you would balance it out with recoil

[native lodge]

people hate on spam guns as if the slow and powerful ones aren't annoying as shit in their own right

[umbral garden]

ah yes, the natural next step from a M1 is a shoulder mounted minigun

[digital nacelle]

I’m sorry what

[umbral garden]

i’d rather get spammed by someone using levering than one tapped across three compounds

[native lodge]

I mean I don't want a semi auto rifle but thats a bit of a leap

[sick anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-tf2memes-tf2heavy-heavy-weapons-guy-meet-the-heavy-gif-24983567

[digital nacelle]

I like spam guns not gatling guns

[native lodge]

Bornhiem Carbine

[umbral garden]

the bornhiem is literally a gatling gun wym

[blissful pewter]

I mean there is Officer Carbine but I understand where your coming from

[umbral garden]

the bornhiem is basically a hand held AC130

[blissful pewter]

having 2

[digital nacelle]

mamma mia

[native lodge]

then give it fmj

[digital nacelle]

MAMMA MIA

bornheim fmj with 100dmg

[native lodge]

[autumn stump]

srry for budding in but thoughts on quest slots being locked behind 300 bbs AND paid dlc exclusive quests? seems way too on the nose

[native lodge]

oh they don't cost 300bb

oh you mean for the extra

[autumn stump]

quest slots? yeah they do i can only have 2 active but i can pay 300 for aanother

[blissful pewter]

you get 2 quest slots free if you want the extra you have the option of paying 300

and its a maximum of 3

so I mean not to much of a big deal

[native lodge]

also the dlc exclusive ones are very obscure. they give the most but they are not the most time efficient ways to complete it

[sharp veldt]

@keen quarry yes, this is intentional.

[native lodge]

so far the most time efficient summons have been like getting xp and killing certain enemy types

and since you can repeat them over and over

I guess my biggest issue with the dlc lock ones are they look bad at a casual glance and also aren't worth doing over the other quests

[blissful pewter]

look up the 1896 Madsen-Rasmussen

[umbral garden]

oh god

[blissful pewter]

the first renditions of it were made in 1888

[umbral garden]

a true cowboys weapon of choice

[blissful pewter]

within the time frame of hunt and it semi auto

[native lodge]

good heavens

[sick anvil]

Hmm well we add semi auto rifles cool 1917
That opens up the door for
.600 NE the bigger Nitro express rifle
375H&H Magnum , this comes conveniently in bolt action 5 shot rifles that effectively kills an elephant up to 100meters in one shot
M1895 from Russian contract 7.62x54R aka lever action mosin
M1916 Flamenwerfer
Lewis MK1
Luger P08

[umbral garden]

i’m not taking the time for googling all those but i’m assuming they’re guns

[blissful pewter]

they are

[umbral garden]

had to use my detective skills

[blissful pewter]

exceot for the flamewerfer

[umbral garden]

shain i hate to tell you this but someone needs to like sit down and have a conversation with you about the difference between semiautomatic firearms and a flamewerfer

and the difference between semiautomatic rifles and gatling guns for that matter

[blissful pewter]

I do feel the Madsen-Ramussen 1888 could easily be added into hunt

[umbral garden]

it really would be cool

[silent elbow]

The biggest Nitro actually shot .700 Nitro Express. Would be funny to see as a 5000 hunt dollar meme machine.

[native lodge]

you can ask for a semi auto rifle but its gonna get down voted to oblivion

[blissful pewter]

whats funny is that it is what later became the bren light machine gun

[sick anvil]

Well .700 is the biggest but that does not fall in to the newly proposed time line of Uhaul truck .
and allowing for .700 would open the door pretty much any modern gun

[umbral garden]

i deleted the suggestion bc i noted at like 3 up and seven down it was just gonna keep getting worse 💀💀

[umbral garden]

suck my balls

[native lodge]

yeah it would be hard to balance it

gameplay has to come first

[umbral garden]

the mosin was made in like the first part of 1890s and was made in russia, no one argues that

[native lodge]

yeah

[umbral garden]

same with the bertheir or however it’s spelled except this time it’s france i think

that’s also why i said “a prototype of” and not literally adding a gun made in the 1920s

the first burst fire gun came around in the 1930s, approximately 40 years after my hunter killed a flaming pig man with one

[sick anvil]

Avto used to be full automatic have way less recoil and be significantly more accurate due to popular demand it got nerfed and one of the nerfs changed the gun being able to shoot one single shot to only shoot 3 round burst to introduce inaccuracy due to the burst

[umbral garden]

starting in the 1870s shotgun shells were made of paper, meaning that levering the terminus is time period inaccurate bc you would most likely rip the paper apart

[blissful pewter]

I put suggestion in a way that I think could make it a bit balanced

[umbral garden]

thank you my man

so a fully automatic russian rifle in the 1890s US delta is more feasible than a semiautomatic rifle made in the US

[blissful pewter]

I think making it similar to the dolch with special ammo could make it much more ballanced

[umbral garden]

makes sense

i just thought it would be nifty

[silent elbow]

With the 700 ingame the door for pretty much every existing .50 bmg would be open xD

[sick anvil]

that is the reason why i think sticking to 1895 as a cut off year keeps cowboy feel to the game pushing it forward would turn it in to the bad call of Juarez game

[blissful pewter]

I agree

[half stag]

there's a reason why they set 1895 as the time period imo, cuz it is one foot in the old west and one foot in the pre-WW1 era

go past that and like ya'll have said, it would be too modern

[blissful pewter]

thats why we must search through history to find the most abstract shit to add into the game.

[sick anvil]

id say lets take a break from adding and lets focus on fixing the existing

[blissful pewter]

Yes and

[sick anvil]

last few patches were more focused on fixing but far from fixing some of the oldest issues

adding Mle ble introduced a bug that they then spent significant resources to fix

[umbral garden]

add the razorback from bo3

[blissful pewter]

I mean I feel that if you only work on fixing part of the community is just going to leave. Because there is no new content.

I think what they are doing now adding small things while also fixing bug is a good mix

[umbral garden]

do patch work during an event so everyone is distracted

be like “guys for a month there’s gonna be an LTM” and for that month do nothing but figure out patches

[blissful pewter]

there needs to be a good mix otherwise people will leave because there is nothing new for them to experience and if you don't do patches people wont want to play a game that doesn't fix there bugs.

You can just do one or the other and expect everything to be fine

[sick anvil]

new content hmm what new content was since June 2021

last content i recall is space jump verticality

[blissful pewter]

its not June yet

how

there

[sick anvil]

my bad meant to say 21

[blissful pewter]

now I mean there were events but I mainly mean with what they did with 1.8.1

This adds more grunts, more interactions with grunts, and reworking the challenge system. While also fixing some major bug

Yes there are some old bugs that are still in the game but they are trying and still adding things

[sick anvil]

changing daily weekly to summons hardly can be seen as content its a retention mechanic

new grunts hmm okay i give you that lantern grunt is hilarious

[blissful pewter]

I feel its better than the old system. most of the challenges in the past could be completed in a day

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[sick anvil]

the system it self would be perfect if 2 things would be removed . 300bb for 3rd slot and last challenge requiring dlcs

[blissful pewter]

the challenges requiring dlcs I agree with.

But the 3rd slot doesnt bother me to much. Getting BB isnt really that hard

[sick anvil]

its matter of principle more than the issue of getting bbs

[blissful pewter]

I know its to do with monetization but you have understand what crytek is going through aswell. Hunt doesnt get new players all that often. its about the same 30,000-40,000 people playing the game and its hard to make money if your game isnt being reached by new people.

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[sick anvil]

hunts biggest issue is it does not retain new players

because new player experience from the start is absurd

[blissful pewter]

Then most new player go and refund

[sick anvil]

Look at the store page of hunt mostly positive reviews . you get in game complete the training 3 times exactly the same mission 3 times with some hints

after you do q up as solo get soiled on so you do randos . get some one who does not speak or tks you and screams obscenities so you try with friends finish the protected matches and let the seal clubbing season beggins

deranked salty sweaty jimmy and his gang gonna go and wipe servers just cause 1 hour prior they went and on purpose kept dying in QP

So it makes sense to instead try to make the game more accessible by tutorials the game relies on the community to bring in new players by passing on experience

and those actually patient and experienced enough are a few and far apart

[blissful pewter]

I agree that hunt does mainly rely on player "passing the experience" but this is why they have to monetize the way they do. It can be solved by new tutorials. Making new tutorials takes time and money. The monetization currently is aimed at the current player base so that the company doesn't go under and so the game can keep living

[sharp veldt]

@covert nimbus trap kills currently counting as assists, known bug. do you have a video of the nades not counting?

[covert nimbus]

My whole kill counter for last game was bugged. Stats screen (Last Game) showed me Kills 2, Your Kills 2. Mission summary showed me Hunters Killed 3. I killed 5 in total, counted the bodies. 2 trap kills, 1 nade kill, 2 Sparks kills. Will keep an eye out, but I can't record -- PC ain't up to snuff

[sharp veldt]

Hmm interesting. Let me know if it continues.... Haven't seen this one yet (except the traps, unfortunately, that one is known)

[lunar spear]

Is there a reason I am unable to see people from distances, like hunters are invisible for me

not even far distance

[covert nimbus]

If you are playing on graphics Low on everything -- set Object Quality to Medium. Only that

Legend has it that Object Quality low renders hunters at 100m, medium does so at 300m

[lunar spear]

even object quality high isnt changing it

[covert nimbus]

ah im out 😄

[sharp veldt]

hmm im not sure. I've seen this a bit htough and am passing it on

[buoyant roost]

if thats true thats so stupid

they need to put it back

ive got a shit pc and to have a disadvantage because of that??

[tawdry halo]

hey out of curiosity why was the shader removed? where your dark sight was red etc

oh hi bunn i think you nitrod me yesterday lmao ggs

[silent tartan]

They fixed hunters not rendering on long distances in 1.8

but in 1.8.1 is broken again

[buoyant roost]

👎

crytek fix one thing and then ruin another

[buoyant roost]

ive never used a nitro in my life

im a mosin enjoyer

[tawdry halo]

huh maybe it was teammate then but i saw you pick up bounty

my bad

[buoyant roost]

oh yeah fs it was my teammate then

u good

ggs

[unborn smelt]

@keen quarry
https://youtu.be/HrWDiMa8RoA

https://youtu.be/-bzVZhQTEes

Two great vids explaining the potential reasons for lowered crosshairs

[simple flame]

@blissful pewter I like your Madsen idea. Very slow reload, heavy recoil because no reciprocating bolt. With those two factors in play, I don't even think it needs to take special ammo, tbh.

it would be nice to have a few more medium ammo guns too

[blissful pewter]

mhm

I think that it would need a low ammo amount though

otherwise it could be really OP

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[blissful pewter]

Just enough to reload it once

[simple flame]

I think the dev team can figure it out. If they do it right it would occupy an interesting place in the meta. I'd like to see it be an expensive, but usable gun, rather than a novelty.

[blissful pewter]

oh fs

be in the usable but also kinda a novelty

not quite avto and nitro but also not really mosin and vetterli

sits in that middle spot

buts still expensive

[fresh lynx]

@rocky turtle I don't understand your feedback. Are you saying the slate is flat out better than the C&K?

[hollow plaza]

Anyone got any pictures of the legendary stuff u got prestigeing to prestige 11

I am sitting at rank 100 I am not shur to prestige

[faint sparrow]

Was there ever anything special about prestiging to 11 particularly?

If I'm right it's randomized

[pseudo peak]

Yeah completely random except the Bornheim skin at level 10, Golden Ticket

And Sparks skin at Prestige 5

[static gorge]

That dude talks similarly to VSauce and I love it lol

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[queen jungle]

Wrong. Medium renders to 200m, high to 250m. Low to 100m. They fvcked the game 🙂

[queen jungle]

It's not broken, this is an intentional change in order to prevent people to exploit derender. What they don't understand is that this creates a way bigger problem.

[silent tartan]

U dev?

[queen jungle]

No but I have a few braincells left, it's obvious

[silent tartan]

If it was intended, they would mention it

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[queen jungle]

Oh you mean like the removal of colorgrading? Show me the patch notes for that big Rachtus

[silent tartan]

It's been said by Devs about the colorgrading

Not In patch notes tho

[queen jungle]

Said where?

[silent tartan]

I sent you In DMs

Look for it

[queen jungle]

Nah, if the devs can't put changes into patch notes that's on them. That's what patch notes exist for: to inform players of changes. I won't listen to all kinds of backchannels to find out more. Game is not in a good enough state for that to keep me that interested

If they can put "ammo cartridges now making sounds when they fall on surface", they can put other shit as well

fucking joke

[steady cosmos]

Title: Quest Suggestions #SuggestAQuest.
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[hexed whale]

But what was the reason for removing color grading? It didnt add any advantage. Just made everything look a million times better. I mean if anything it handicapped you during fog missions

[inner loom]

I don't remember the devs signing a contract with the community where it says they have to list every single technical change to the game.
That's a ridiculous amount of effort to do.
The reality is most likely that not a whole lot of people are affected and while the vocal minority that is affected is upset for it being poorly/not communicated, it's hard to gauge these things and their impact beforehand.
Yes, it could've been communicated better, but it's people working on this. You know, Humans.
They don't always make perfect decisions.
When asked about, they provided additional insight, and that's as good as it gets - they're not forced to do this, they choose to.

[half stag]

risk of exploits as some commands had the potential for exploiting as there were some CVAR files that were editable, which was never intended

if you don't believe me, it was stated at 9 AM today by their live ops cm in this channel

[inner loom]

Work on an alternative for colourblind people is ongoing, and as mentioned in the additional info there is a possibility of files being altered in a way they don't like to happen.
So it's the safer play to disable it.
Alternatives exist, and whilst not everyone likes them, they aren't banned currently and it's even been said that any change on the stance will be communicated and even if missed, bans will not be handed out.
That's honestly a really good compromise and personally, I'm humbled by how much passion people put into it.
So I'm going to assume you're also speaking from a place of passion, @queen jungle and hope you can find some empathy in you to see the other perspective for a little and reflect.
You can of course just disregard me, but there's little reason to be unhappy for long.
They've acknowledged the matter at hand and are working on solutions going forward.
The risk of possible harm seems reasonable.

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Had an idea. Might not be the best for the spirit of hunt but maybe a storage inventory like tarkov or rezzie? Then you can loot for additional items if needed```

[sick anvil]

While it is necessary for them to have a source of income to sustain the game or as you would call it to continue develop the game .
I am not sure but if i look at the quality of the game the quality of content added the frequency of new content added i do not this game is worth 500€

[blissful pewter]

when has it been worth 500€

[sick anvil]

by now the game is over 500€
Base game + all DLC + BB skins + All the quality of life shit

[digital nacelle]

maybe if you buy all the hunter slots lol

[sick anvil]

Here comes Optional

[digital nacelle]

but no one is forcing you to do that but you

and all bb skins...that's unrealistic

valorant is easily a $2000+ game if you consider all cosmetics as part of the game

that sort of equation just doesn't make sense

[sick anvil]

100BB = 1€

[digital nacelle]

no one forces you to buy all cosmetics

clearly you know this to be true because even you said "here comes optional"

[blissful pewter]

its all optional

base game is $40

[digital nacelle]

it does not harm your ingame experience to have zero cosmetics, let alone all of them

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They should make it to where once engaged in combat you cannot extract, alot of my games get ended because people just stam shot and run away and even if you catch them they just shoot at you till the timer is over.```

[sick anvil]

And here is the flaw in the whole logic .
I have said it countless time the more monetization crytek adds the less likely i am to spend money .
before Charry before BB skins price increases and DLC triple price increase i did not have an issue pitch in for cosmetics every month
Now i am thinking of how to take out money from the game

[blissful pewter]

when have they taken money out of the game?

[sick anvil]

Not they

I am thinking on how to make money back on hunt

[blissful pewter]

What?

why would you want to take money out from hunt

In its current state I think monetization a small amount of monetization is good for Crytek. I'm pretty sure hunt is one of Crytek's only major sources of income currently. If there wasn't monetization hunt would be a very dead game. Its not a bad thing until you get to much of it. Some of the things I do disagree with. Like having DLC specific challenges but things like having an extra challenge slot isn't such a big deal. Or having a limited skin be expensive BB wise so that you feel that you have to rush to get it.

Also nothing in hunt has forced you to buy anything to have a better game experience

[sick anvil]

To Answer your question why would i want to make the money spent back , because I am too old to be able to accept the monetization schemes being implemented .
Your line is way further than mine.
for you its okay to buy QOL because that is what Mobile games thought us. for me not
For you its okay to Have elements of loot boxes in game. for me not
My line in the sand is DLC at an acceptable price.

[blissful pewter]

I dont like loot boxes though. Since when have loot boxes been in hunt

[sick anvil]

Charry

[blissful pewter]

If Hunt was doing that I would completely agree

your not paying anything for charry

[sick anvil]

Lemme finish , 3 rolls free 4th roll pay or earn

that is loot box

[blissful pewter]

But all of them are free

you just have to play the game

Charry is free gives the premium currency. Can give and unlock legendary weapons. And give a legendary hunter if your lucky

[sick anvil]

you have the optional roll for money

not all loot boxes are paid

[blissful pewter]

The option

[sick anvil]

that does not change the fact that . Loot box = Randomized roll for reward based on either pay or earn

[blissful pewter]

but most loot boxes that are paid use a premium currency that is really hard or nearly impossible to get. Hunt chooses to make it fairly easy to get the premium currency so that you don't have to spend money

I understand that but its still not difficult to get them. if you get a kill you get a bb

Yea but there are other ways of getting bbs

and guess what

its all optional. and if your playing the game to grind bbs your going to get charry anyways

finishing charry in a day isn't an unobtainable goal

But it is the premium currency they are just trying to make it fair for both crytek and the player

[digital nacelle]

@umbral garden that will lead to people leaving their teammates

no thanks

[umbral garden]

i should’ve put a tone tag hold on lemme edit it

[digital nacelle]

#game-ideas is best left alone of satirical suggestions....

[umbral garden]

noted

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[unreal laurel]

I still think the Slate would be so simply fixed by replacing slugs with Dragons breath

It'd be a fun, basic shotgun while keeping the Specter as the more versatile option

[deft grail]

Honestly, the 250$ is a bit too cheap at the moment, given its strength IMO. I know it remains a shotgun, in-between the spec5er and the Auto 5, but I agree that slugs are too strong for that gun ATM. It is rare to see slate without slugs, and in brings a little too easy kills on medium range.

Also, that bloodline rank? I think slate and terminus could be swapped, in terms of unlock rank...sure it only concerns us, dumb prestigers...but still.

And I think getting the New Army before the officer makes no sense: I know the Carbine is string, but New Army still gets two useful ammo, one of them being that sweet sweet FMJ, while Carbine grind takes some more time... 🙄

Then again, it's just my opinion. :3

[unreal laurel]

Like

I like the idea of an easy to use shotgun with no big unlock trees

Once it loses slugs it becomes like, an easier specter

But with slugs it just outclasses it

[deft grail]

I think the balance team thought about the utility a specter compact and a terminus+levering bring to the table, and they thought it would slot the slate in the middle, but I do agree that it just makes the specter absolutely irrelevant, due to the bulletgrubber reload, and the fire rate of the specter being too big disadvantages compared to the slate.
Besides, it's only 50$ extra to play a slate, and if quartermaster/double slot is in the mind of the user, the rival stays a top contender.
shrugs
I legit don't understand their thought process for this gun

[unreal laurel]

Yeah it just does too many things well in comparison to the other shotguns

[deft grail]

And I am not against that (excluding the slugs), but it should keep a fairly impactful price...Same goes for slugs in general, they cost too much on romeros, and not enough on the Slate, i.e.

Then again, someone who does not prestige doesn't care about the price, I suppose...

[half stag]

I'd rather see some minor buffs to the specter (bring up capacity to 6 in the mag - the irl version has 6, and tighten the spread a bit more) and just either oust slate slugs entirely and replaced with flechette/dragonsbreath, or have it balanced as a completely separate thing similar to the crown and king (Slug Prices also need to be adjusted for each shotgun individually and buffs/nerfs need to be tweaked for slugs only, rather than having it indirectly nerf the entire shotgun just cuz it has slugs), and give the slate back 9 rounds in reserve as the buckshot version is underwhelming

[unreal laurel]

Yeah it seems a lot of us think Slate slugs is just the main issue

[umbral garden]

it’s not even just slugs, slate is goated even with standard buckshot

if i wasn’t bad at the game it would almsot feel easy

[half stag]

that's a bit of an exaggeration

the slate isn't that op with buckshot

still would rather take a crown and king and hell even a romero, the spread is pretty bad

specter should get some minor buffs instead cuz it would be a straight better shotgun if the spread was at least consistently longranged rather than a coin toss

[umbral garden]

speak for yourself i have been doing horrible unspeakable things to people with the slate without slugs or even penny

i wasn’t necessarily meaning that it’s op just that it’s a good gun, in my opinion, but it’s definitely OP w slugs

[half stag]

that I can agree on, the gun is good (not that it's a bad thing), but slugs is just . . . uh no, why is it even on the slate

real sad how they nerfed the entire gun rather than just applying the nerfs to slugs (and still failing to keep it balanced)

[unreal laurel]

Idk. It feels weird anything can one shot to the torso that isn't buckshot, melee or a crossbow

[wind stream]

@autumn laurel please use this channel to discuss feedback

replies and discussion in #feedback are not allowed

[oak quartz]

@sleek oar While I like your suggestion, don't say that assailant isn't great on its own. It turns the throwing knives into actual knives, i.e. same damage, same stamina consumption, maybe bit better attack speed.

It already frees up a slot in the tools

[wind stream]

@queen jungle like this?

[keen bolt]

THIS

[ruby magnet]

I mean... hot take 🔥
Rival should not have slugs. Makes the choice between a rival and specter more appealing. Slap 50 bucks on it and you get smoother slug shooting.
Rival slug is a mini nitro express with better sights and more ammo.

[deft grail]

hmmm...I like that take, ngl!
It makes for a real choice to take the slugs on Romero, or specter/terminus variants (for Quarter master or Obrez pairing), while keeping the Rival in check. It's a really good idea, in my opinion, to be honest.

[vague patio]

that take is freezing lol

[keen bolt]

Imo

When Slate dropped I thought

Don't gave that shit a slug

They did

And it had the same effect I thought it would have

Now people would be crying to nerf the gun itself

[vague patio]

slugs legit broke shotgun balance

[keen bolt]

Exactly

Like Not every gun had same special ammo and why tf shotgun all have slugs?

[vague patio]

spread was a form of balance, with slugs its conpletly bypassable

[keen bolt]

Even as occasional shotgun user I detest the slug

[keen bolt]

+1 this

Imagine how shotguns would still be without slug - noone would be using it just like back then. Now it's slug pandemic everytime I hear shotgun I just call 'Slug' and everyone would understand

But tbh I'm not saying we should remove it but really it should be limited to some guns

[vague patio]

it shouldnt have better ohk then buckshot

[keen bolt]

Maybe it should but really should have limited them to slow firing shotguns

[ruby magnet]

Thank fuck that take was freezing because there's plenty of people who can't go without their rival slug

[vague patio]

if slugs had ohk like dragombreath i think stuff would be very different

[keen bolt]

Noone would use it you mean

[vague patio]

maybe

[ruby magnet]

They dropped slug on the slate because of its iron devastator

[keen bolt]

Else everyone would just use buckshot

[ruby magnet]

Because on all the other ammo types ADS or hipfire doesn't change ANYTHING about the spread or fire rate.

And hipfiring a slug is yikes

[keen bolt]

Tbh the slug ammo was design nightmare

You make it good for range but can't ohk then it's just weird rifle

You make it Ohk people and this is what we have rn

[ruby magnet]

Well that would be balanced in and of itself

I also recall a tooltip error saying slugs came in less capacity, but that not being the case

[keen bolt]

Easy way to stop slug pandemic is to only allow it on the Terminus, Specter and romero

These are somewhat slow firing gun

[ruby magnet]

I'd be all for making slugs even more effective at range but only make it oneshot at 6 meters. So buckshot actually becomes more dangerous within 12 meters.

[keen bolt]

It would be weird

[vague patio]

yep

[keen bolt]

Weird as in... You could just use uppercut for range and buck for shotgun

Aka - use the shotgun like you would normally

[vague patio]

or you can use slugs and officer

[ruby magnet]

Would actually give shotgun people a reason NOT to take the uppercut for distance

[vague patio]

imagine having choice in playstyle

[keen bolt]

Depending on damage curve

[ruby magnet]

Imagine having a choice in lifestyle. That might be too real.

[keen bolt]

How would it even work? Like ... I'm not following you right now

[ruby magnet]

Still I'm shocked how little drawback slugs have over buckshot.
There's arguably 1... panic hipfiring because someone stepped in your face at 3 meters.

[keen bolt]

It's virtually no drawbacks

Maybe scarcity of ammo is one but that had to be very long fight

Or potato aim

[ruby magnet]

Maybe that would be a thing if it actually came with less ammo like explosive ammo does.

Else ammo is laughably easy to restock

[keen bolt]

True

Like it would be powerful but you'll need to count shots type

[tiny mason]

Thanks for the transparency Crytek.

[wet saffron]

We call it the bodybuilder shoulders.

[tiny mason]

I guess shotgun is the new meta.

[wanton phoenix]

Collect clues summons should include rifts as well.

[tribal wyvern]

Long ammo is far to powerful for shotgun to take the meta.

[tiny mason]

Was a joke bro. There is no meta. You can play whatever you want and it works. Maybe not now since headshots aren't actually headshots. Game is a mess.

[tribal wyvern]

Well there is still a meta

Game is a mess bugwise i'd agree ye

[iron yew]

depressing

[digital nacelle]

who cares carbine is dead it’s awful now

until they buff it to its former glory I couldn’t care less if it takes 100k xp to unlock

[inner loom]

It's quite clear they care about it.
Being dismissive about it like that is not too helpful.
Let people have a little fun in peace.

Where's the harm?

[digital nacelle]

I’m saying there’s bigger problems

I don’t agree with officer rank change either but it just doesn’t make sense to make a bad gun accessible

[native lodge]

Nitro Shredder

[digital nacelle]

rank 1 when

[native lodge]

[digital nacelle]

but anyway new army shouldn’t exist

[inner loom]

Good thing different people work on different stuff and therefore we can make improvements across the board!

[digital nacelle]

it’s a worse officer

[native lodge]

New army got over nerfed on test

[digital nacelle]

clearly crytek just wants people to use worse officer until r36? I do not know why

[deft grail]

I mean, Carbine isn't dead, but it's not the death ray that was the meta-machine before, and it's feedback to say that the new army has a bit too much prevalence over the officer, with better custom ammo

[digital nacelle]

new army is awful in comparison though

just because the mv is unplayable

so it evens out

[native lodge]

I prefer the new army in cqc

[digital nacelle]

new army is great on paper but feels yucky to use

[deft grail]

Because Officer became THE sidearm to have, which means it's a meta, and a forced choice. Which means the players start sweating again, instead of laying a sandbox.

[digital nacelle]

not at all

spitfire is in my opinion far better than officer or new army

[native lodge]

but is MV is way slower than it should be

[deft grail]

Well, your appreciation of the gun does not make it a less valid weapon xD

[digital nacelle]

but it’s not objectively better, just more versatile

new army has no reason to exist

[deft grail]

Well, according to some social media post, and a lot of player feedback, yes at all. xD

[native lodge]

its pretty mean little pistol in cqc, but as follow up pistol its pretty bad

[digital nacelle]

again not at all

spitfire is SUPER good, better than officer and many in this discord will agree

high damage and good rof

[deft grail]

It offers a different approach on a sidearm, more oriented foose hot CQB defence, rather than a secondary reliable like the officer

[digital nacelle]

officer has higher rof yes

[digital nacelle]

it’s absolutely a reliable secondary though

[deft grail]

You are right, McLovin. You are completely right. :)

[digital nacelle]

you can’t reliably fire officer at more than spitfire rof

because of double action sway (which I hate)

[native lodge]

don't get me wrong I love the spitfire but I never talk about pistols in vacuum because unless you are trying to do something memey it never will be. there are many builds I would choose any of these pistols for one reason or another

[digital nacelle]

they need to revert double action sway nerf

I don’t think it makes sense at all

it was fine on semiauto

[deft grail]

Competely agree there

[native lodge]

it was meant to "fix" the "spam" at range

you mag dump a dolch up close still

[digital nacelle]

I can understand that for weapons like the dolch - but I never felt like officer was OP over range

[native lodge]

officer was pretty powerful, it was the poor mans equalizer\

it still is

but not to the same extent

[digital nacelle]

now that spitfire exists I no longer think it’s necessary

[deft grail]

I like that it somewhat aligned with the pax, while the schoffield and New Army got to the lower end of the quality, to be honest

[digital nacelle]

scottfield standard is also UP

no idea why it was released with such low mv

[native lodge]

example, it was really popular with a sparks/officer to hit a sparks shot, and spam it down range until you got a hit. thats why I think the officer got hit with the sway nerf too

[digital nacelle]

I mean that’s fair but the nerf was even after quickswap wasn’t a thing anymore iirc

[deft grail]

It's still pretty good in that regard, so I honestly am fine with them keeping the sway

[inner loom]

How can you compare two guns with such vastly different ammo options and statlines and claim they're the same thing?
That doesn't add up in any way.

[deft grail]

Officer sway is very light, compared to upper/pax/schoffield, and it is why they intended that

[digital nacelle]

because they both serve as fast firing secondaries, while one has significantly more consistency and range

[deft grail]

Let them be right, if they absolutely want to xD But I do agree with you ProMal

[native lodge]

yeah post QS, but the swap times are still low enough that if there wasn't a "spam" sway penalty it was still easy to fire your sparks swap and shoot until you hit just one shot pretty much anywhere

[queen jungle]

@rancid marlin Your idea about rope mechanics sounds good, imagine skins like chain for Devil´s Advocate, etc.. i like it 🙂

[digital nacelle]

it’s clear you all disagree, but I’ll take my leave on the note that most I speak with agree with me here

[native lodge]

oh that the new army is bad?

it kinda is

[inner loom]

But this isn't a right-or-wrong issue.
This kind of mindset is what makes the game stale by everyone running meta loadouts.
How can you give such poor feedback and then turn around and expect the devs to do better?

[native lodge]

I like it

[inner loom]

How would you feel if you put in so much effort to provide different options and then people just sh*t all over you all the time and claim things are useless, unnecessary and there's no difference or variance?
You can't exactly expect much betterment in such a hostile environment, no?

[native lodge]

I mean identify overlap and what guns are underpowered and what ones are over tuned are essential to balancing

New Army went from way to strong to way to weak in a heart beat

[inner loom]

That's precisely why simply ignoring statlines is so ridiculous.

[deft grail]

yeah, but it still has the dum-dum and FMJ while low rank unlock, and higher firerate

[inner loom]

I'm mainly addressing McLovin and people with similar opinions here that just disregard the 'No Harmy' without giving it a real shot whilst diving into the circlejerk without leaving meaningful feedback.
It's clear you're putting more thought in, Embers, and I can appreciate that.

[native lodge]

yeah its a killer in CQC, but sucks at anything past 25-30m while the officer is more well rounded

[inner loom]

Funnily enough there's this whacky spot where the New Army retains more damage over distance whilst having slower muzzle velocity, thus making it a one-tap to the head at ranges the Officer fails to kill.

[deft grail]

I definitely agree, there. But I am pretty okay with it, because I view the new army as "oh shit I'm in CQB", the Spitfire as "I'm using it as a secondary altoghether" and the officer as "I'm finishing you, or I'm fending you off before I reload/heal"

[native lodge]

Mclovin has given lots of feedback before. I have talked with him numerous times about strengths of guns. all without any heated issues. if you just saw what he posted a moment ago I could see what you are saying but hes a regular, hes made his points before. just isn't going to make them over and over

[native lodge]

yep and I do think the New Army was over nerfed in a knee jerk reaction, all it needed was rof tweak and to have the semi auto/DA sway. it didn't need its MV gutted

[inner loom]

That's fair.
But being hyperbolic doesn't help it.
I understand the place of passion, I'm passionate about the game, too.
But if one wants to be taken serious, they should act accordingly and be consistent, no?

I won't judge a person, I've had disagreements with people here that I've immediately turnt around after and had great discourse and fun conversation with.
But I feel like it's important to hold things to a certain standard for the betterment of the situation.

[native lodge]

oh Hunt Players are very Hyperbolic. I have just gotten used to it. it takes time to get into the conversations more deeply. example: Saying the Officer Carbine is trash heap, makes sense to a lot of regulars, its been discussed at great length. Context and detail all of that covered. But without the prior involvement I could see why it might come across as odd, even more so if the gun that is being trashed is a gun you like and have had good luck with

[deft grail]

While I do get your point, Embers, I also think we should have the right to make our point and quite disagree with him, despite the amount of experience in this section it might have.
I think the balance team has a lot of work, and a tricky one, expecially when adding so many new guns/variants.
On the tweaks, I think they would have made it too close, precisely, to other weapons afforementionnened, and that is explains why they chose to put the balance somewhere else.
Just as some of us are saying "slug is fine, just balance the price on individual shotguns", i.e.
Ultimately, it is just that we have a very different opinion, and that I don't mind being wronng, or biased, but pointing out to McLov that we have had very different experiences, and that there is and was a meta, despite their opinionn mine shouldn't be run to the ground without giving one the benefit of the doubt.
My bias being that everyone I crossed path with over the past few month was either Uppercut or Officer, and that now, even with the price, when the Spitfire became more predominant, I see more New army, and more of a mix of the three guns, than before.

[native lodge]

yep personal experience doesn't get factored in nearly enough for sure

[inner loom]

I try to be impartial and objective on the matter of actual balance - I haven't made any rating on any gun here.
Being worn down by the constant pressure of these poorly-worded opinions sucks, though.
So I try to be a positively driving force instead.

[native lodge]

there is just different levels of play and different regions. meta shifts. Me playing NAE 5-6 star rarely runs into slugs. so its hard to see them as a problem. but I know they make the game unfun for Other players who have a different experience than I

[deft grail]

Now again; it is a personnal opinion and feedback, and the fact that our feedback don't align shouldn't be a problem, since in the end, it is precisely feedback, which the Devs should use how they see fit. Whatever our arguments, and whatever our feeling that we are factual, objective, or right, it is only a personnal feedback 100% of te time, that only the devs can implement into a more objective view on the matter (unless each one of us has made spreadsheets, which I don't have, ngl xD).

[deft grail]

Yeah, I have seen in discusions how regions have very different metas and experiences too, it's wild, sometimes! Platforms, too! ^_^

But yeah, I just wanted to defend my earlier opinion in the eye of McLov, while I think we'll never agree, I think feedback are unique, therefore all of them are valuable. :)

[inner loom]

I see why you want to be more diplomatic about this, but I disagree on that.
The more common a certain feedback becomes, the more it usually gets weighed.
Popularity is after all the main goal for the devs to make more profit.
So I see it very critical and speak out against poor feedback because of that.

[deft grail]

I think feedback is always personnal, and whatever the amount of people resonating with it, only the devs will make the decision. This is why I don't think a feedback should be fought, rather different feedback provided, for the devs to see more variety and clarity in the situation, if that makes sense?
In the end, I do understand your desire for more reasoned feedback, and less "hot headed" ones, since it's easier to yell and shout over people's voices, rather than everyone quietly stating their views.
But it is why I stand differently than you there, ProMal. ^^

And I also think the devs have added balance that was different from the popular opinion (sway being a good example, or the C NA price, too), and stood their ground against negative feedback.
A lot of player quit after the QS meta changed, but the devs have stood their ground and reaffirmed their stance over it, while continuing their balance without QS anymore.

[inner loom]

Oh, I don't fight the feedback at all.
You'll see that I try to ask critical questions instead to coerce a better answer.
I'm very confident that the devs can make thoroughly thought-through decisions and they don't need a random person to advocate for it.
But we can strive to be a little better.
And it's perfectly fine that you stand differently. I won't knock you over.

[native lodge]

Yeah I see your point, I don't expect people will change tbh. the habit of "X,Y,Z gun is Trash" is just common place. everyone has the guns they like, one of my favorite guns in the games is one of the most hated by many. like I said though you will get into more indepth balance conversation, that use a lot of by the numbers arguments instead of just how people feel about a gun, the longer you are around

McLovin can and has gone into great depth about his opinions before, he just chose not to do so now

his reasons being his own

[inner loom]

If I get just one positive answer on this, I've already made a valuable difference.
And it's really nice that people have given better feedback at different times.
I'd love to see more.

[native lodge]

yep also sometimes people are moody, some people just don't have time to explain, some people just don't want to. just how people are, sometimes they want to talk to you about something and may they don't. when balancing talks do come up though they can span over an hour sometimes. so you can understand why people who are regulars may not want to get into it at any given time of the day

[inner loom]

Absolutely.
Thank you for your insight!
If you would humour me for one more question, on the matter of the New Army:
What value would you propose for muzzle velocity?

[tight topaz]

wait has the scotfield spitfire been buffed?

and the double actions nerfed? i may have read out of context further up

[digital nacelle]

new army needs 280 at least like scotty

I also think scotty is too low though

[inner loom]

Cool, ty!

[native lodge]

well I really don't think it would be an issue if it had 300

[inner loom]

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[native lodge]

I think the sway nerf was enough, because the New Army didn't have the sway nerf at first on test

but I think give it that and killing its MV was over kill

[tight topaz]

were any of these changes documented in the patchnotes?

[digital nacelle]

the problem is at 300 new army would probably become a better officer since officer has 6 less damage

or even 280 for that matter

[native lodge]

yeah the ROF could have been tweaked so that the officer could keep that edge

but not matter what I don't think giving a pistol arrow levels of velocity was a good idea

[digital nacelle]

either rof is tweaked to where it makes no difference vs officer or it’s barely faster than spitfire

which either way would make it ehh

new army feels impossible to balance and that is why I am not sure what niche it can fill

[native lodge]

I mean yeah I think it steps on the spitfires toes more than the officers