feedback-discussion

[keen bolt]

To be fair it's hard to find anything compact rifle

I did tried to dig it up from various sources

[latent bobcat]

The evans wouldn’t be particularly good at killing

But it would be a great suppressive fire weapon

[native lodge]

the more I think about it, hunts ability to nerf and buff weapons is a bit limited in scope

adding more balancing factors does make things more complicated, but also gives more areas to change things

[keen bolt]

Yup

[native lodge]

example: they could slow the ads speed of the nitro

then it becomes a clunky behemoth of a gun

but you can't just snap of quick scopes like you do now

[latent bobcat]

Sooooo do you guys think my two suggestions would add something unique to the game?

[keen bolt]

I upvote most stuff

That's unique 😂

[latent bobcat]

lol

[keen bolt]

As long as it doesn't seems too op

[latent bobcat]

So neither seem op?

I was worried about the evans

[keen bolt]

Yeah

Might be op

But eh

Pricing and other stats will balance it out

If it's proportional

[soft river]

Your suggestions seem kinda weak

Especially compared to some other suggestions

(Mostly just more boring long ammo rifles)

[latent bobcat]

How?

[soft river]

Compact rifle with the same damage as the lemat?

Thats 97

Less damage than winfield

Less ROF

[keen bolt]

It literally had 26 ammo

[soft river]

Winfield c has 28

7 in chamber

[maiden pelican]

Swift exists

[keen bolt]

Isn't he talking about in the magazine?

[maiden pelican]

Probably

Thing is swift exists

[soft river]

All winfields have arond 35 ammo

[maiden pelican]

Only good iron sight winfield to me

[soft river]

Including ones in the chber

Chamber

[latent bobcat]

It has 26 in the chamber

[soft river]

Oh

[latent bobcat]

The evans

[soft river]

I don’t think the game could fit that

[latent bobcat]

It could

[soft river]

But a lot of ammo won’t make a gun good

[latent bobcat]

Yeah I know

[soft river]

600m/s on cent is good but people still think its garbage

[latent bobcat]

It will be a monster with levering

[native lodge]

I mean cent kinda is bad

[soft river]

They’re wrong but one little thing that seems good won’t affect anything

[latent bobcat]

It will be a good support weapon

And I would personally give it dum dum

[native lodge]

cent might be my most played rifle

[soft river]

Yeah cause its good

[native lodge]

and its kinda bad

but then

it gets fmj

and stacks with spitfire fmj

then its good

[latent bobcat]

Imagine someone levering 26 rounds of dum dum with levering which can still 2 shot in close range

That sounds terrifying

[soft river]

Swift already has 15 and has a speedloader

Arguably better due to speed loader

[native lodge]

and fmj

[latent bobcat]

But does it have dum dum?

[native lodge]

FMJ is better

[soft river]

No but it can down people below 110 health

1 missing big or 2 smalls a winfield can kill

[native lodge]

bleeding isn't an issue if I can shoot through your cover and you can't shoot through mine

[soft river]

Cent is better as a fmj weapon than the 1873 imo

Due to not having pax velocity with it

1873 with fmj is still good don’t get me wrong

[native lodge]

I like both but they play very differently

ones a compound machine

[soft river]

I used fmj on a winfield marksman

[native lodge]

the other is well rounded battle rifle

[soft river]

I got 2 headshots from like 100m

The delay between the shot and the hit marker

Wish centennial had a marksman variant

Or a deadeye

So I could have a scope and not use a sniper with fmj

[native lodge]

I use the sniper with fmj

but deadeye would be neat

[soft river]

Its a little too much for me when it comes to fmj

I’d rather use it with normal ammo

Especially due to cost

[maiden pelican]

Centennial and winny C (or full winfield) should get a marksman and deadeye at the end of their trees.

[soft river]

Winfield c has a marksman

It should have a deadeye

Cent should get either

[maiden pelican]

Yeah, I meant respectively

@fluid locust Going through a suggestion on each thing, spare, levering, damage, and just base ROF would

You be able to post one thats just "increase Centennial damage to 125 or something like that"

Cause I don't want t wait 40 minutes to post all of this

[fluid locust]

Wot

[maiden pelican]

@soft river could you do that actually

[soft river]

Do what

[maiden pelican]

I just want to get 4 Centennial suggestions back to back so I can see them easier

Just post a idea of a Centennial damage increase

[native lodge]

I am for a cent buff

but not all of them

[maiden pelican]

Of course

[native lodge]

the gun would be very strong if it got all of them

[maiden pelican]

I just want to see which one people like more

[maiden pelican]

If they put it up at mosin price I wouldn't mind

And also it would still have poison ammo

Which would just be funny

[fluid locust]

It still shoots obnoxiously slow even if it got a few minor buffs

[maiden pelican]

I seriously have no idea why it was over 300 originally

And why it's still unlocked after the berthier (I think)

Or is it slightly before

[native lodge]

the damage buff would be pretty nutty

[maiden pelican]

Would only be 1 shots on 125 health

And a tiny bit of range

[native lodge]

it gets fmj

and its the fastest fmj in the game

long ammo lite at that point

[maiden pelican]

That's FMJs problem not the Centennial

[native lodge]

until fmj is addressed it becomes a cent problem

[maiden pelican]

Its like saying that the vetterli should have less spare because the dolch exists

[maiden pelican]

What's the simplest way to address it to you

I was gonna post one to increase hipfire spread on FMJ, and to lower its spare

[native lodge]

difference is vett and dolch are not linked in anyway. Cent and FMJ are directly linked

and the suggestions should be thought about as the game is, not how it could be

[maiden pelican]

They were

[native lodge]

and?

[maiden pelican]

And that's why the vetterli got nerfed to 12 for fear of the dolch

[native lodge]

well they were also separated which was the better call

until fmj gets dealt with its linked to the cent
just like the vett and dolch were linked

[maiden pelican]

Yeah but the vetterli still had 12 spare when that happened

[maiden pelican]

Maybe a Centennial buff is what gets FMJ changed

Whereas an FMJ nerf would just be a Centennial nerf

[native lodge]

I think thats backwards the way you want to do it

[maiden pelican]

I hope for good balance

Also Centennial fmj is no better than long ammo

[native lodge]

once fmj is addressed separately, you can look at the cent stand alone and balance it

its not better than long ammo

[maiden pelican]

You can look at the Centennial alone right now, its not nearly as linked as the dolch and vetterli were

[native lodge]

fmj is directly linked to the cent, its what makes the cent decent now. if fmj is worked on to make it more balanced you also tweak the cent separately

[maiden pelican]

Why not change both at the same time?

Would all it take for FMJ to be alright again is just giving it normal falloff

Cause it has worse velocity and recoil right now I think.

Better pen though

Then its ridiculous penetrating power wouldn't be as out of place on compact

[native lodge]

you could, balance changes should be done and increments. so if they chose to do something to fmj the can the look how it effects medium ammo guns and all other guns that use it. once you see first hand the effect the changes have. then make a calculated change to the guns. Crytek has a history of doing to many changed all at once

[maiden pelican]

It's mostly a history now. Recently we've got price and unlock rank changes

Both of which have no effect on people who don't prestige or are rank 100 p 100

[soft river]

I just want dum dum and a lower magnification scope

Cent is a good weapon

[maiden pelican]

Dumdum would be a good addition

[maiden pelican]

@soft river bow is kinda supposed to be that

[soft river]

Yeah but it would have better range and damage

Or at least dropoff

Bow has better firerate but worse dropoff

[maiden pelican]

To opaque for me to really know

[soft river]

Opaque

[maiden pelican]

As in they haven't shown off the range charts for bow and xbow

[soft river]

Bow is like compact and xbow is like long

Thars what it feels like

[unborn smelt]

@wispy folio I dont get the logic of your machete suggestion...

Dont buff it because it might encroach on sabre territorry
(even tho sabre still has reach and piercing heavy stab going for it)

Bit then making it a tool where it completely blows both knives out of the water because of its lethality while not using so much stamina.

I think the machete could easily be buffed to body ohk and stay a weapon - just give the sabre a good bit less stamina consumption than the machete

[wispy folio]

Does the heavy Knife blow the regular knife out of the water? No.

Does the Throwing Axe blow the the regular knife out of the water even though it has 142 heavy damage? No.

The Machete would be the final level of the Knife tree Most damage and reach but also more stamina requirement and more expensive (like 40$)

The knife is and always will be the OG and most favourite melee tool because it so easy to aim at the head with the stab animation.

Even if they buff the machete it literally don't have the utility and reach the Saber has, so yeah it would be much better making it a tool, placing it at the end of the knife tree so we can finally use it's skins without feeling like we are wasting a weapon slot. Technically a machete is a tool anyway. It has no business being a weapon.

[unborn smelt]

They dont blow the knife out the water because shit stamina

Machete doesnt have shit stamina

It has more dmg and significantly less stam cost than both the knife and heavy knife

If you give it bad stamina its just another melee tool nobody uses because of bad stamina cost.
If it has good stamina its at least heavy knife + and potentially even better than regular knife

[wispy folio]

It could be balanced accordingly. 3 heavy slashes or 6 light. I don't understand how you're trying to make a point implying that they wouldn't tweak it to make it a tool. It would fit just fine in the knife tree.

OG Knife

Heavy Knife - a lot of Heavy and Light slashes

Machete - Fewer heavy and light slashes but 10 more damage and a bit more range.

[unborn smelt]

Yeah itd suck then

Same reason barely anybody plays heavy knife

[wispy folio]

It sucks and has no point of existence now, as a tool at least it would have the variety factor covered. As a weapon I simply literally never see it and for the good reason that its outclassed at everything and costs a weapon slot.

[unborn smelt]

Og knife is great because it deals fast with all AI while having barely enough stamina to deal with a pack of hounds

[wispy folio]

I'd rather it sucks as a tool but doesn't take a weapon slot than it sucks as a weapon that's basically a hindrance to take.

[unborn smelt]

As a weapon with OHK it'd be low tier sabre

[inland swallow]

im in agreeance with Dexta, i want to use the machete,but why use machte compared tot he other three melees? atleast in this aspect,i can use it of my own accord with my loadout suffer from it

not suffer*

[wispy folio]

Exactly

[unborn smelt]

Tbh thats a melee weapon slot issue that all of them suffer

Sabre is worth nothing when you can bring a riposte

Combat axe almost nothing over a hatchet or mace

[inland swallow]

ive been killed more by the other three than i have veer been with machete, its not viable in a loadout,axe had the same point but they atleast added it to the throwing axe tree so now you have purpose,the machete is a bad saber pretty much

[unborn smelt]

I'd rather they adress that before bandaid fixing the machete breaking the heavy knive even more

In the process

[inland swallow]

its not bandaid if they balance the stats more appropriatly for a tool slot

[unborn smelt]

Yeah i dont disagree with that

I disagree that making the machete a tool is the answer

[wispy folio]

I think you're defeating your own point stating that even usefull weapons are difficult to justify taking the slot, then you agree the machete has no business being a weapon

[unborn smelt]

Becaise heavy knife is literally the tool verson of the machete

[unborn smelt]

Yes and no

[inland swallow]

then make it not the same,make heavy knife faster and machete hit harder make them two flavors rather one in the same

[wispy folio]

It would be the middle ground between the knife and the machete

[unborn smelt]

I say none of the weapon slot melees has a reason to be there

[unborn smelt]

So machete but bad

[wispy folio]

Good for you but that's not the point here. The point is that if rather the machete suck as a tool than be unpickable as a weapon

[inland swallow]

well then its like saying avto has no place in being there,we want it to have aplace so its not the red head stepchild of melee builds

[unborn smelt]

Thereaint no middleground to be had between knife and a potential macjete tool

[unborn smelt]

And id rather they keep it a weapon and make the weapons not suck instead

[wispy folio]

Ok let's say the make the Machete a tool tomorrow. What's changed for you? For me I have 3 more melee tools for variety and theme builds, what's changes for you?

[unborn smelt]

2 ways both leading to a reason to use machete

[crystal plume]

For them to not suck they need to make tool melee not be able to 1 tap hunters at full health, even with a headshot

[unborn smelt]

What changes for you if its a weapon with ohk

For me its a viable choice not killing the heavy knife even further and a compelling choice over the sabre

As early unlock and low budget

[wispy folio]

Nothing I will still pick the saber because if I am to waste a valuable weapon slot I'll take the OHK weapon that has 1 meter more range and literally no downsides.

[unborn smelt]

Well i still wont take it as a toolbecause it either sucks or encroaches on heavy knife niche

[wispy folio]

Are you arguing in bad faith on purpose? As I've said they would tweak the Machete. Heavy knife = faster more stamina cheaper Machete more Range 10 more damage more expensive, use what skin you like we all happy.

[unborn smelt]

Little reason to take a knife if heavy knife gets 4 heavy attacks...

[wispy folio]

The heavy knife alrey gets 4 heavy attacks if I remember correctly

[unborn smelt]

I just think there isnt much room for balancing a new tool between the 4 we already have

[wispy folio]

I disagree

[unborn smelt]

No

3

Thats why it sucks

It cant deal with a 4 pack of dogs efficiently

[wispy folio]

Well even of it got 4 the normal knife still has a much better animation for PVP and that's why everyone is using it.

[unborn smelt]

A light doesnt ohk a dog and you only have 3 heavy

[inland swallow]

and theres not much reason to run an axe and springfield compact striker with double explosive,it doesnt have to be good,its hunt,if i wanna run around the map with 4 chain pistols with fmj and meme on people, i can, its doesnt have to be meta, just fun.

[wispy folio]

Actually no it does have 4 heavy attacks go check it now

You're confusing bit it with the throwing axes that have 3 heavy attacks

[unborn smelt]

Ill be home later

Nah

[wispy folio]

Yes

Heavy knife has 4 heavy attacks

[unborn smelt]

Unless they changed it last pach without notes

[wispy folio]

Check it and tell me

[unborn smelt]

Axes haf 2 attacks and HK 3 and knife 4

Will check in just over an hour

[wispy folio]

Do you need me to upload a video?

[unborn smelt]

On my way home

I couldnt even watch the vid rn.
Bad connection while driving

[crystal plume]

It's 3

Just tested

If you got 4 then either you got the bug where melee didn't spend any stamina or such

[unborn smelt]

Sad i got excited for a sec

[wispy folio]

Yes my bad heavy knife is 3

[unborn smelt]

I love the heavy knife skins but using it always bites me in the ass because of the bad stamina

[wispy folio]

Alright so how would it be bad if they made heavy knife 4 heavy attacks and Machete as a tool 3 heavy attacks?

[unborn smelt]

Because then itd just be bad in place of the heavy knife

[wispy folio]

But it would have 135 damage and range to take out 2-3 grunts around you like it does now

[unborn smelt]

It even shares the bad for PvP slash heavy attack with it

[unborn smelt]

As does the heavy knife

They both had the same range last time i tested

[wispy folio]

I don't think they do

[unborn smelt]

Pretty sure they do

[wispy folio]

Only machete and throwing axes with assailant perk can kill 3 grunts in one swing if I remember correctly

[unborn smelt]

Its a bit ssd but crytek didnt give a fuck about logic or model size when making reach hitbox

That sounds more negative than i want it to...

[wispy folio]

In any case once again you're arguing from a point where there won't be any tweaks which is unreasonable

[unborn smelt]

But essentially axe machete heavy knife have the same range

[wispy folio]

Anyway I don't think we'll agree on this.

I'd rather the machete be a rarely picked tool than never picked weapon. Sad because it has some amazing skins like the blood orchid and the upcoming broken saber.

[unborn smelt]

While sabre is longer

And i hate the fact a sabre has more range than the axe

Yeah we wont agree

[onyx flame]

dont understand,how many meters?

[inland swallow]

its saying 0 i think

[unborn smelt]

I'd rather it be a rarely picked weapon rather than the umpteenth rare picked melee tool

[onyx flame]

or 416

[inland swallow]

either way it aint adding up

[digital nacelle]

only velocity

[queen jungle]

@umbral garden Crytek tested solo BH mode during Early Access, but it was no fun at all. Imagine ten players camping around the boss lair, too afraid to engage first and put themselves at a disadvantage.
That's why we got Quickplay as Hunt's solo mode.

[umbral garden]

understandable

[little carbon]

Why?
From the perspective of realism it makes sense, a fencing style weapon will always have more reach then a short-griped axe.
(Although the way the saber is used is not accurate at all)

And from a balance perspective as well, the axe is meant as boss killing tool and the the sabre for pvp. Although the axe does a pretty shitty job at what it's supposed to do.
Maybe if we're one slot and it's heavy attack would hit with a delay but deal a lot more damage it would be worth in trios as a dedicated boss weapon paired with an Allrounder like a Winfield

[umbral garden]

yeah but like

[unborn smelt]

because if you fight you typically don't "short grip" an axe

It's a fluid motion of maneuvering in a short grip but when striking you extent to long reach

especially on a downward strike as the one shown in Hunt - an axe is held at the very end of the handle, which for an axe like that is usually about 80 cm

which is roughly the same length as a sabre would have if you fully extend it

And from a balance point of view i might agree with the sabre comparison if the axe was a small slot

But it's not

being a medium slot it requires a 6 point perk or for you to play a gimped primary weapon

[hollow plaza]

If you had to choose between these two guns

Vetterli 71 marksman

Or the

Winfield 1876 centennial sniper

Which one would you pick.

I am in the process of trying to unlock the centennial sniper at the moment.

[umbral garden]

vet

i have no explanation as to why i just like the vetterli

[hollow plaza]

@umbral garden 🤣👍ok

Thanks

Anyone eles ?

[half stag]

vet, centennial is just bad in literally every stat except m/s (and high velocity is available on the vet so . . .)

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[fluid locust]

Vet is statistically superior especially with high velocity

[steady prism]

am i the only one who finds sniper scope unusable?

[fluid locust]

I find scopes unusable in general

[steady prism]

same but sniper is next level unusable

[fluid locust]

I hate marksman the most tho tbh. Deadeye is nice and sniper you have to adjust your play style very weirdly

[steady prism]

like unusable squared

[steady prism]

that depends

im able to hit stuff with marksman lebel for example

i guess bcs of its high muzzle velocity

but i ve yet to hit a single dude with marksman vetterli

thats straight garbage for some reason... it always feels like its not shooting where you aim

same with deadeye vetterli...

[fluid locust]

Have you tried using high velocity?

[steady prism]

not really

[fluid locust]

Vett deadeye with HV is hot af

[steady prism]

i see

i ll try that one

[coarse geyser]

The med slot most likely comes from being able to light ohk

[fluid locust]

It's especially good with deadeye scopesmith and steady aim

[steady prism]

i see

[fluid locust]

Like a high rof long ammo gun basically

[steady prism]

ye i gotcha

[unborn smelt]

just don't expect it to actually hit like long ammo on bodyshots

[steady prism]

ye ofc

[unborn smelt]

and one other thing to be aware of with the deadeye scope

[steady prism]

i mean with deadeye im gonna be hittin at like 50 meters

max

[unborn smelt]

all scopes - no matter the zooom have the same downsides, same speed reduction etc

So you need to look for yourself if the Deadeye zoom is worth the 50% strafe speed reduction and worse FoV

[umbral garden]

just use iron sights like any god fearing american should

[unborn smelt]

I really want to like the deadeye scopes - but imo the smol zoom of the deadeye limiting it mostly to lower ranges, doesn't outweigh the massive speed reduction when peeking, but that's very subjective

[steady prism]

ye i like them the most

iron sights for life

[umbral garden]

on the one hand deadeye is too close to iron to justify but marksman zoom is so far i’ve never been that far away and been like “i need a scope to hit that guy”

[unborn smelt]

Thats down to playstyle methinks

[umbral garden]

it is

[unborn smelt]

Usually i dpnt have the patience anymore to endure the slowness of scopes (both the move speed reduction and slow playstyle)

[umbral garden]

i genuinely do not look far enough ahead to see someone that’s within use of marksman/sniper scopes

[unborn smelt]

But if i do i prefer a long range scope, so sniper it is for me

[umbral garden]

and the whole sitting in a barn and hoping a player walks across the road is boring, to me

my upbringing on Black Ops 2 taught me that anything that isn’t an iron sight is a crutch

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I have heard some ideas trying to solve camping issue after banish, but often times forcing players to push into a compound or leave a compound can create other new issues.


I don't know if this has yet been tested, but I believe this wouldn't put defenders or attackers in a disadvantage. So, Once a boss has been banished and bounty can be picked up: all players within a certain range are highlighted in darksight. Making it impossible to completely hide and camp near or inside the boss lair. But once bounty is picked up, this effect goes away. If this feature is implemented waiting inside bosslairs without picking up bounty would no longer be a valid strategy. I strongly believe this would be a great feature.


Another improvement I have had in mind for a long time, is to add an option to change the color of player's dots. When playing in a group of three, it's often difficult to quickly realize who is who when players are seperated with the amount of dots that also change between rounds. Now having an option to select a specific color would make this a lot easier without having any names visible. For example, I could choose the color pink and my friends would always remember that I'm pink! 


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[fluid locust]

Vett sights doo doo water imo. Otherwise I would

[umbral garden]

i agree but disagree at the same time

[fluid locust]

They're okay for spamming with iron sharp but for super accurate long range shots they just don't cut it for me

[umbral garden]

i get that, i’m not big on long range sniping anyway so for mid range they get the job done

[fluid locust]

Yeah I'm not either. I dabble every once in a while with mosin sniper and it can be fun

But the play style is pretty boring mostly

[digital nacelle]

no

join the vetterli irons cult

[dusty pendant]

@fluid locust @digital nacelle
I wouldn't mind hearin' y'alls thoughts on why solos should get generally easy games ^^ if you don't mind, I mean.

[native lodge]

I guess my thoughts are when I'm 5 star I go against 4's and 5's

so I don't really get what you mean

[dusty pendant]

I'm generally in high-five low-six, probably 90% of the time, and when I play solo I should not be getting any four-stars imo. In duos they contribute very little to an enemy team, I feel. In trios is a tad less of a problem, but generally I don't wanna see them. Not only does it not feel satisfying to kill them, it sometimes actively feels bad to just shit on their experience especially if there's the possibility they have skill-based matchmaking on and they still get me in their game.

Like, even if you're a five star you could be very lose in mmr to a six star, and someone who is very close to a four star but displayed as five will not really be a great threat to you.
This is, of course, taken as a generalization - as some people are not always going to sit in a singular rating.

[strange goblet]

Assassin's bug burst should not set off immolators, its not a sharp attack, its bugs

[native lodge]

I mean when I'm around that around that range, and seeing teams more often than not its 5 star with a 4 star, and if its 2, 4 stars. they tend to be premades which is fair imo. not saying the match making is perfect, but I don't run into to many people that have no hope of out playing me.

if anything I am still on the back peddle because they are two people on the lower end of my own bracket as far as I can tell

best I could say it just make it consistent

I will say I have never run into some one two stars below me that had sbmm on

[dusty pendant]

Yeah, idk. I suppose it could be difficult to match as consistently with premades runnin' around and stuff, but really it's just annoying and feels bad when I do get those teams that are out of their depth, so to speak.
It probably doesn't help that Hunt's mmr and matchmaking system are.. less than perfect. But just thought I'd offer up a suggestion that I feel is an apt request for those of us who play solo very consistently.

[dusty pendant]

Yeah I've seen this before and it honestly does make me cringe. It feels bad.

[native lodge]

I guess its just a difference of experience of outcomes, because its very rare I run into people I think shouldn't be in my games at all. it only a difference of one bracket at worst. so the system seems to be working from my perspective. and so I don't really know what the fix is

most of the teams I run into are a 5 star plus a 4 star

and I tend to average mid to high 5 star, so I think a 5 star and a 4 star is pretty okay for me to fight as a solo

its not like they are clueless

[fluid locust]

it's called turning on SBMM problem solved?

[dusty pendant]

It is on.

[fluid locust]

and idk you don't really get "easy games" if you're good

I'm always in like 5.5 stars even solo lol

[dusty pendant]

the opposite actually

[fluid locust]

it only drops anything lower if you get shit on

at which point the game thinks you should get "easier games" because you're doing badly

[digital nacelle]

I play solo when I want really easy opponents

that’s it really

we just play solo for different reasons

[frosty garnet]

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[vague patio]

@dense fjord striker is fine, its literaly a knife and gun, so you wouldnt have bring both, freeing a toolslot
talon already ohk, more damage doesnt really change much.
claw is the only one that is kinda just bad

melee variants are already strong

[dense fjord]

Talon doesn’t OHK arms

Striker has horrible stamina consumption

[vague patio]

its always badically having a machete or saber added to your gun

[dense fjord]

They decrease handling on your gun as well

Just needs to be more worthwhile in my opinion

[vague patio]

only bayonett and riposte versions

the sawn offs have so bad handling from the start that its unnoticable

and the talons claws never really had an efffect

[dense fjord]

Bayonet and riposte are worth in my option for the edge in heavy attack range and body ohk.

[vague patio]

maybe more recoil or something, but also unnoticable

[dense fjord]

@vague patio when’s the last time you used a striker, claw, or talon?

I can see talon being used on occasion and sometimes in randoms sparsely but I never see striker or claw.

[vague patio]

lebel talon is the only outlier

[vague patio]

is it cause they striker or cause they sawn offs

those are horrible, and you prob only see obrezes

[clever prawn]

@dusty pendant disable SBMM. As a solo you will always queue with people lower than you. I think it's a balancing feature but I don't like it as well.

If you disable it you're more likely to also face 5-6 stars, however there is always sbmm till a certain extend. People who have it disabled will just fill up matches they fit in

[half stag]

striker is prob due to the increased sway, though I personally never have seen it being that much of a problem

claw though is just plain bad

the only melee attachment to not at least be knife damage or onetap to the body

[oak quartz]

Wtf is LTM ?

[burnt mulch]

liberated to marry 😔
(in what context?)

[vague patio]

suggestion from uhaul 10 hours ago

something about events

[fluid locust]

Limited time mode

[fathom geyser]

every one of those "megathread archive" posts on reddit is over 4 years old and thus pretty much useless

and the roadmap link doesnt work anymore..

[wind stream]

they switched from a roadmap to more frequent dev streams and blog posts

[fathom geyser]

ah

makes sense then

[jovial flint]

@wispy folio
True, sometimes there’re fellas that survived the talon strike cuz it touched their limb or belly first before casually scurrying off to a safe spot.

Rare but kinda of a shame if it happens

Have to hope that your timing with the swing reaches them, and connects with the head/neck or chest before they pop a point blank shot

[vague patio]

@livid estuary they have statedmultiple times they are working on it

especiallyone of the last updates was supposed to help, and they asked for help by using the profiler so they can look in more data

[livid estuary]

I mean, they are saying that aye. But I'm packing a 3090 and I'm still seeing the same issues I've seen from the first time I started playing, and the updates are not improving at least on anything I can see. Which is why I'm saying what I'm saying.

I've honestly enjoyed playing other shooters a lot more the last few days and it's all because of performance mostly. No frame drops, no desyncing...

I'm aware they're saying they're working on it, it just plainly, from a consumers perspective does not look like it

Like if you tell me you're working on something one year ago, and my fps counter stays the same over that year, and you have 4-5 events in that year and about 8 DLC, it does not look like you're working on it

[sinful linden]

You dev. wanna soft lock (or similar I think) regions and I understand why but it's just a reminder what pings look like when you live in or close to Japan. The "best" servers is around 60ms, Asia ofc, but the second ones (US west and Oceania) are already at 120ms.
Please open a server next to Japan/Singapore or else, please dont lock us out too hardly because of another country used to ping abuses or blatantly cheat/exploit the game.

[hollow plaza]

Have any of u used all the deadeye rifles and which is your personal favourite?

[spice topaz]

Hard to agree more. But to fix these issues would probably mean changing the engine, and...
Even though one could think that something could be done about the frame rate since it has managed to drop during the years.

[fossil frost]

Hands down vetterli dead eye such a comfortable rifle to use

[hollow plaza]

👍

Is there allways 4 teams of 3

12 players in every lobby u play Bounty's ?

[sharp veldt]

12 players is the max in 1 lobby yes

[queen jungle]

How could we buff the terminus?

[fluid locust]

Vettereli with high velocity.

[fluid locust]

It doesn't really need a buff. Maybe increase base rof without increasing the levering rof. Or increase reload speed. That's about it tbh.

[queen jungle]

It's the bornhiem of shotguns

[fluid locust]

Except bornheim is always kinda meh. Terminus is God tier with levering.

The only issue tbh is that it relies on levering. But that's fine. If you don't want a trait reliant gun then just use literally any of the other shotguns. Should they make it less trait reliant? Probably. Will they? I highly doubt it lol

[hollow plaza]

👍

[hollow plaza]

How many of you have reset prestige is it worth doing . If u reset from 100 back to 1.

Do the progress unlocks from 1 to 100 change do u get different unlocks or no.

Is it worth it to do it prestige I mean ?

[errant echo]

It is waaaay to easy to shotgun players to just hold W at you with basically zero downsides. What's the point of using anything else...

[digital nacelle]

shotguns are awful without slugs

[errant echo]

Not when all you gotta do is hold W

[digital nacelle]

just don’t push them..

it’s not hard

[vague patio]

ive said it before, but terminus and slate should swap their spreads/hipfire

[fluid locust]

Why nerf the slate tho? It's kinda meh without slugs

Not terrible but not God tier

[vague patio]

the slate is comparatively too good

basically best firerate and mag size in a pack

rival has at least the down side of only having two shots and bad spread

and crown is super fuckin unreliable

[fluid locust]

I don't have an issue with the buckshot. Feels inconsistent tbh.

[vague patio]

there is literaly zero reason for the terminus to be that bad, while the slate is that good

[fluid locust]

Terminus is pretty good. You just need levering

[vague patio]

pay 300, and its only good if you have a specific trait

while the slate requires no traits at all

the specter gets pushed away a lot, by vastly inferior reload mechanic

[fluid locust]

Eh specter is consistent tho

Tbh I never think of the slate when I think of getting a shotgun. At least buckshot wise. Slate and Caldwell rival kinda op with slugs but that's just slugs being broken.

[vague patio]

every fast fireing shotgun

rival, slate and crown

at least with crown its super expensive

but in the way theyimplemented it, it was just a bad idea

[fluid locust]

Basically. Slugs are basically a straight upgrade, the only big downside being having to aim down sights

[dense fjord]

@loud nebula genius, loved dark watch too

[loud nebula]

Thank you. I appreciate that

[ebon island]

@willow gulch As cool as that idea sounds... Players that... Hate night maps... will simply resort to cross server play IE... swapping to a server with a much higher ping for them... but hey they get to play daytime. Really don't like ping abuse and would not to incentivize more of it.

[vague patio]

night maps are bad so people would even play on high ping to avoid them. which then somehow gives them another advantage

what?

like, they wouldnt then even play on their regional server anyway

[ebon island]

@dusty pendant You could also que solo... with out skill based matchmaking on? There's a pretty good chance to get some 5 star and 6 star trios.

[dusty pendant]

I've been playing this game for almost 2000 hours now, I've tried both. I've also had multiple people tell me to turn it on or off, so I'm not sure it really matters. The matchmaking just seems meh.

[ebon island]

Matchmaking at least with skill based disabled grants the chance to be fighting 5* and 6* games. For instance... the solo vs trios I ran yesterday I was up against a 6 star trio and a 5 star trio. I unfortunately didn't fight the 6 star trio but did fight this 4 star trio and 5 star trio. So disabling seems to work for me at least...

@celest copper
#game-ideas message
A solution to bounty token campers is already in the game. Try out the perk Serpent. Just stealing one bounty is normally enough (if you start running away...) to bait out the other one. Alternatively you could have 2 people on your team with serpent. They will definitely will run out. Unless they have all shotguns.

[clever dew]

SB MMR needs reworked. Way ti easy to smurf. Way to easy to get 5,s and 6s in lobbies with 3-and 4 star players. Its not fair to the newer players what so ever. Im a upper 5 star player and just by cuing with 3 star and four star players i get into lobbies with 3 and 4 star hunters. Also if i choose too i can smurf down to a 3 star with minimal effort. Definitely needs to be fixed.

I should never be able to spend a hour smurfing and then spend the rest of the day with 3 and 4 stars. Its killing the game those people will quit.

[ebon island]

SB Matchmaking as you say... playing with a 3 and 4 star player to lower your group MMR to 3 or 4 star lobbies could be leveraged the same way against you.
IE... You que (Team stars - 5, 4, 3 | Group MMR 4 stars) (Enemy team stars - 5, 4, 4 | Group MMR 4.5 stars) Queued in the same lobby.

You could say the same about solo vs trios queuing as a 5 star or 6 star.

5 or 6 stars queued into 4 star or 3 star average teams.

[clever dew]

Exactly my point.

I think we should have wider ranges of mmr.

Or at least change the amount of mmr gained and lost per kill or death

[ebon island]

The disadvantage is a solo 5 or 6 star ends up against a trio of 3 or 4 stars. With quite a few ways to die in one shot... there is a three to one chance you will just out right die...

[clever dew]

I successfully win most solo hunts using game sense. Its definitely not fair

[ebon island]

And how many have been lost due to... a shotgun? a lucky headshot? a didn't see that trap?

[clever dew]

how many of those were won while trolling with romero dragons breath, derringer, throwing knifes, etc?

[ebon island]

Not that they could simply take the bounty and run away avoiding fighting you? Especially when they know you have a shotgun...

[clever dew]

This game. Game sense wins fights.

And its acquired through thousands of hours.

some of these people dont devote that kind of time and deserve to not play against us that do

[ebon island]

I have just under 3,000 hours and in solo vs trios there's a lot of silly stuff I end up dying to. I've played in 5 or 6 star groups with SB MMR off and have been 100% destroyed by a 3 or 4 star squad camping bushes in the woods with shotguns or fanning pistols or such.

[clever dew]

Yea idk man. Your experience seems different then mine

Whos to say those people are truly 4s ?

[ebon island]

So are we talking about the smurfs or hackers that got previously banned and bought new accounts? or... the ones that took about a dozen solo vs trios to drop from 6 stars to 4 stars?

Matchmaking in that aspect will never be perfect. Its something that can't be fixed. Regardless of what countermeasures you procure.

[frosty garnet]

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[fathom geyser]

huh

oh

woops

[ebon island]

thats gonna promote a lot of teamkilling...

[fathom geyser]

i provided a solution

[ebon island]

Now... whats to prevent people from stealing said guns when your downed and... you know never give them back now?

I mean... that nitros mighty expensive...

[fathom geyser]

you could make it so this feature is disabled in case of playing with randoms

[karmic ivy]

@livid estuary You are mistaken. I do not think that. But I think as a game for fun, it can be played at 60hz. In fact, I am so accustomed to 60hz, I don't think I suffer from the same disadvantages as you.

[ebon island]

Random discord groups are technically pre-qued matches.

[fathom geyser]

well you will have to take that into account when queing with randoms on discord in that case then

but yeah youre right

it wouldnt work in that case

[ebon island]

Also for those with multiple accounts... One could be 100% broke. While the other ques in and feeds Avtos and nitros and such to the broke account repeatedly. Do hunt dollars matter anymore?

[fathom geyser]

read the idea again

i added some stuff

[ebon island]

As it can technically already be done. Against the EULA but...

[fathom geyser]

contraband

[ebon island]

Yeah any item you pick up is contraband thats a given regardless.

Still with 50 hunter slots...

you can end up holding a good... 54 long size weapons...

[fathom geyser]

i dont really see how that is a realistic scenario anyway

like

just play with your main account xd?

[ebon island]

or well... a hell of a ton of small sized weapons. that are all contraband.

There are rare cases where a full trio team. Is... just one guy.

[fathom geyser]

bruh

how

[ebon island]

Runs off the first guy dies. Well I got a 2nd guy

[fathom geyser]

bruv

thats crazy

[ebon island]

Yeah but thats something they do...

[fathom geyser]

but lets be real, thats not really a common issue

[ebon island]

More common issue would be a person with 2 accounts queing in to two different random trios to trade their weapons purposely.

IE load in purposely kill themself somewhere after confirming its the same match

and then taking the 2nd account to go loot him

With your suggestion... they could both be on the same team. Do some really stupid play to let themselves get murdered. Steal their weapons. Get them up and then run off to extraction.

Didn't even lose a hunter or anything.

Much less of a pain trying to que in the same game as well...

your in the same party xD

[fathom geyser]

thats.. never going to happen

who would take that amount of time and risk to do this

literally no one

[ebon island]

I've seen it happen. I've watched it happen.

[fathom geyser]

nah

i dont believe it

they mustve been insane

[ebon island]

Matchmaking isn't perfect. I wanted to fight up against a friends trio. So we all joined a discord. "And on three press que..."

[fathom geyser]

even then its not likely

[ebon island]

3 v 3 v 3 v 3 and we knew everyone.

[fathom geyser]

hunt has a big playerbase

well

sort of big

medium

i suppose

[ebon island]

But the amount of players queuing at said moment in time...

each game is roughly 30 - 60 minutes...

Its do able. Try it with a friend.

[fathom geyser]

with 20.000 active players, i can guarantee that atleast a couple dozen are queing at all times at the very least

[ebon island]

Both get a random trios group and be in a discord call with each other. Then on the count of 3 you both ready at the same time.

make sure the other randoms are ready-ed before you count...

[ebon island]

Its a small world. Many factors to consider.
Lets say... 20,000 are in game.
How many of the 20,000 are in a match?
How many are qued for quick play?
How many are idle?
How many are LFGing?
How many are in quickplay?
How many are in your MMR Bracket?
How many are using or not using skill based matchmaking?
How many are new-bro accounts (1 stars) restricted to the new-bro matchmaking ques?

[fathom geyser]

i dont see how this is even relevant to my idea in the first place

[ebon island]

Its possible to que into games with another friend or account on separate teams. Just to steal their weapons or such. Down side being it isn't a 100% and someone is going to lose their hunter.

By allowing this to happen in the same group...

It makes that not so 100% a guarantee that you can steal their weapons with even less down sides...

[fathom geyser]

???

[ebon island]

Currently.

• Need to que at the same time separately (might not get the same match...)
• Need to run out to find the body...
• Some one loses at least their hunter
  With your suggestion.

• 100% chance to be on the same team!

• Run one guy out and die to... NPCs, a random sniper. (bad for KD?)

• Revived the hunter that you stole the guns from.

[fathom geyser]

this is literally a non issue

[ebon island]

I get the idea. I like the idea. I just see the mechanic being abused.

[fathom geyser]

youre making up scenarios that will happen once every 2 decades

this is not realistic ever

[ebon island]

Which scenario have I procured that only happens every 20 years?

[fluid locust]

The only way that wouldn't be abused would be if you had a toggle on and off imo. Or give permission to your teammates to pick up your weapon. I wouldn't want my teammate stealing my gun on accident either tbh.

[fathom geyser]

wouldnt happen on accident seeing as you can just trade back

that would happen before the revive though

[frigid folio]

Tbh I'd abuse this mechanic heaps if it came out. I'm never struggling for hunt dollars but some of my friends are constantly going broke. But my fav gun atm is a winnie. So I could take in mosins for them and they bring in a winnie and we just trade weapons and they don't have to worry about being broke

I like the idea but I think some limitations would need to be put in place, just not sure what. Maybe when you revive them it auto swaps the guns back?

[fathom geyser]

you cant really trade whenever you want though

[frigid folio]

So you can only use your teams guns while they are downed

[fathom geyser]

friendly fire wouldnt allow trade

[frigid folio]

I'd just down myself

[fathom geyser]

oh

right

[frigid folio]

Walk up to a red barrel

Or a zombie

[fathom geyser]

ffffffffffff

man

how do you balance this idea

[frigid folio]

I think the only way is the once you you revive the person it gives them their gun back?

So you can fight the sniper with their gun while they are dead. But then once you revive them you get your shotty back and they get their mosin?

[fathom geyser]

thats

actually a good idea

lemme add that

[ebon island]

lol the third guy on the team revives him or you necro him xD

[frigid folio]

Once the person gets revived then they get their guns back 😝😝

[fathom geyser]

done

[frigid folio]

You know what I mean!!

[ebon island]

So you necro teleport back for a shotgun?

Seems a little far fetched from reality...

Just bring a concertina bomb

[frigid folio]

It's a zombie game 😆 I think for balancing a little bit of bending reality is okay. Also we are talking about a mechanic that let's us cast some voodoo to bring someone back from the dead from 24m away 🤪

Or maybe make it so that if their guns have been swapped they can only be manually revived by the person who has the guns?

[ebon island]

Bring them back from the dead and also conjure your shotgun or what ever weapon you just depleted the ammunition from... out of thin air?

Single pistol fanning seems a bit crazy in this aspect.

[frigid folio]

You could make it that when the person gets revived you just drop the guns? And you have to go pick your guns up from where they were traded

[ebon island]

now that your necroed you both have guns you can't pick up dropped at both of your feet? Talk about givin them the win xD

Enemy hunter hears 2 weapons drop after a necro. PUSH!!!!

[coarse geyser]

The original idea of switching isn't that bad, no need to drop guns

[fathom geyser]

its only an idea after all. crytek will find a proper way to implement and balance it.
(if they add this feature, that is)

[frigid folio]

I don't like the idea of dropping guns, I'm just throwing ideas out

[coarse geyser]

Yeah I'm aware, the other guy just seems to be attacking improv solutions like they were well thought out

[fathom geyser]

ikr

weirdo

[coarse geyser]

I have people do that to me all the time and act like I'm stuck up and don't know what I'm talking about and it makes me angry so I wanted to step in

[frigid folio]

It'd be alright if it was a back and forth of ideas for balancing rather than them just sitting there like "nah that's a shit idea get it out of here" to every suggestion 🤣

[fathom geyser]

suggestions-discussion channels in a nutshell lmao

[ebon island]

Necromancer also allows you to summon romeros to your hand also sounds broken...

[frigid folio]

What about the idea of the person who took the gun is the only one who can revive then? And it has to be a manual revive?

[fathom geyser]

honestly that would add a fun dynamic and skill ceiling to that feature

i personally wouldnt mind

seeing as you have to sit there 10 seconds with necromancer, it doesnt seem op at all

[ebon island]

Why couldn't you have just thrown a concertina bomb in front of them. Revive them and be done with it?

You have the power boost of another player and you still have all weaponry available for only 65$!

[frigid folio]

Why couldn't they have just not died and made the whole idea of swapping guns pointless? Sometimes shit happens, like you don't have a concertina bomb?

[ebon island]

If it happens this often...

[steady prism]

@native lodge no chance u got past the first paragraph

[native lodge]

I didn't need to

[fathom geyser]

@steady prism so... remove all dynamite too then?

[steady prism]

i mean you can suggest that if you are offended by dynamite i guess 🤔

[fathom geyser]

lmao

[steady prism]

but i doubt they will remove something from the game

[fathom geyser]

dynamite and frag bombs are essentially the same

why the frag hate but no dyna hate

[steady prism]

not really

i literally explained that in suggestion

just go read that first

[native lodge]

frag bombs are the best tools for prying people from their hiding spots, if you don't want to die to them, keep moving

[steady prism]

that is true

but there are other tools that should be viable as well

[fathom geyser]

not really

[steady prism]

i mean im all up for discussion if you feel like it

[native lodge]

I mean I guess you could added something to dynamite to make them better

[fathom geyser]

your point of frag bombs oneshotting and being a menace applies exactly the same to dynamite

[steady prism]

dynamites are quite good tbh... if you throw them near a person he dies

[fathom geyser]

only difference is that frag bombs deals bleed if it doesnt kill in one shot

and simply removing all explosives.. i dont know man

[steady prism]

no the difference is that frag bombs have about the same blast radius as big bundle dynamite

[fathom geyser]

no

[native lodge]

its close

[steady prism]

but has none of the disadvantages of big dynamite bundle

its simply the best

[native lodge]

yep

[steady prism]

which is fine by me... but theres not really reason why you should take big bundle

they should be about the same tier

[native lodge]

buff the bundle I guess

[steady prism]

frag bomb has great benefit of causing heavy bleeding

[fathom geyser]

disadvantages of big dynamite bundle... being?

[steady prism]

but you can almost never actually use that since you kill most of things you throw it on

[steady prism]

it costs more than frag, its unlocked extremely late, it has half the throwing distance

theres a lot

[native lodge]

oh yeah no doubt bundle sucks

[steady prism]

if you look at the suggestions they are not really overwhelming

for example both A and C are almost unnoticable

i agree B is a bit harsher... but honestly... if they make frag bomb more constant

[native lodge]

those instantly noticeable

[fathom geyser]

then simply use a normal dynamite stick?

[steady prism]

like... less than 2m = death, 2-10m = 130+ heavy bleeding, 10-15 = 70 + medium bleeding

or something like that

[fathom geyser]

so your point is.. the frag bomb is slightly stronger than dynamite (which it makes up by being more expensive, really) and thus you want it removed?

ok

[steady prism]

removed?

[fathom geyser]

well

[steady prism]

why would you remove it?

[fathom geyser]

nerfed to the ground basically

[steady prism]

TO THE GROUND?

one of the suggestions is remove it from lootboxes

[fathom geyser]

you want the frag to deal 130 damage

like

what

[steady prism]

thats what it deals normally if you survive it

[fathom geyser]

if you survive it

yeah

[steady prism]

then you have to spend about 4 seconds bandaging if you dont have physician so enemy can easily rush you

[native lodge]

yep

thats my favorite part

[steady prism]

ye i agree

thats how it should work

you throw it... deal heavy damage and bleeding and run in guns blasting

but rn you throw it and you kill the whole team that was coming at you + one bushwookie camping near exit 250 meters away

[fathom geyser]

you literally wont kill anyone with a frag bomb unless it drops 2 meters next to them

how is that too op?

[steady prism]

im fine with big dynamite bundle has this amount of power... its quite limited in what you can with it... but frag bomb is too safe to delete everyone in lobby

[native lodge]

the instant kill and bleed gives people a great reason to move, if it didn't instant kill it wouldn't be near as oppressive

[steady prism]

you cant be serious about 2 meters

[fathom geyser]

also why do you only talk about big dynamite bundle

theres also the normal bundle

and a singular dynamite stick

those oneshot too

[native lodge]

only thing I thing is that it shouldn't ever go through stone walls

[fathom geyser]

without the disadvantages

and even cheaper

???

[steady prism]

because they have much smaller kill radius

[fathom geyser]

no

they really dont

[steady prism]

and they can be countered by bullwark

[native lodge]

they do

[fathom geyser]

nah

[steady prism]

dude

[native lodge]

Frags are better than them in everyway

[steady prism]

the question here is not if frag bomb is better than any dynamite...

[native lodge]

I'm not arguing against that point

[steady prism]

question is... can we somehow make it less end all be all consumable

[native lodge]

I just think its good to have access to something that powerful to get people moving

[steady prism]

ye thats fine

but that should be big bundle imo

[native lodge]

frags are the primary reason I don't think campers are an issue

[steady prism]

since its clunky and you gotta need some skill to pull it off

[native lodge]

its clunky so its not actually going to do that job well

but thats more of an issue with bundles not frags

[steady prism]

main reaason why i hate it is that everyone brings one into fights lately... you trade shots at 20 meters, you run to cover to bandage and before you finish, one of those is flying at your face

[native lodge]

yep they are indeed meta

[steady prism]

i like the idea...

[native lodge]

they start and finish fights all the time

[steady prism]

its just... too strong

[native lodge]

nah

[steady prism]

i mean come on that kill radius is just sad...

[native lodge]

they still aren't helpful against a enemy that keeps on the move

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[native lodge]

their lethality is why they have such a good effect on getting people moving

I don't think they should pen stone walls but thats about the only change I would make

[fluid locust]

there's already a counter to frag bombs, run away

[steady prism]

you have 2 options when you hear the fuse burning...
A) you run away from the sound and you die, since itll always kill you
B) you run TOWARDS the sound and you have chance to trade, since you will die anyway

they pen everything

[queen jungle]

no they dont

[celest copper]

@ebon island
Hey, I'm glad you read my feedback. I hear you and I understand this system wouldn't satisfy everyone. However I know multiple players who prefer more active gunfights and mechanics that discourage hiding.

My reason for the bounty tokens glowing red is to give players more information of the situation around them. Serpent doesn't provide information, but it indeed punishes those who refuse to collect bounties early.

During banishing players are meant to be uncertain of the current situation and enemies around them. However after banish players should be encouraged to pick up the bounty and actively fight others. Currently if players decide to hide near bounty tokens there's no indicator which rewards passive playstyle.

Hunters could still wait near bounty tokens but now their presence is known. Nearby hunters then know that they're against other hunters and must find ways to eliminate enemies or steal the bounty using Serpent.

[steady prism]

that doesnt help if the dude has pitcher

[queen jungle]

someone has thrown a frag bomb into the horse carriage that i was hiding behind, had like 5cm of wood between me and the bomb

[steady prism]

he can hear when you run

[queen jungle]

it didnt hurt me

[steady prism]

and he just throws it at your latest position

[queen jungle]

i think you're exaggerating

there hasnt been a single situation where an explosive has been a definite death sentence

for me

[steady prism]

im not talking about people who light the frag bomb and throw it... those just dont really know what to do with it...

but most people will light it up and listen

and if they hear running they just adjust the throw

[steady prism]

i survive every 6th frag bomb thats being thrown at me... and i always start moving instantly as i hear the fuse go off

today we played about 15 games, in 4 of them i died bcs of frag bomb

3 times it was instakill... once i died bcs of throwers teammate

[native lodge]

thats the key though

[queen jungle]

dont stand too close, dont stand in very closed spaces run when you hear it

[native lodge]

YOU don't survive them

[queen jungle]

^

[steady prism]

but hows that a good thing

[queen jungle]

its not the game's fault. There's a counterplay to everything

you just have to learn

[native lodge]

I mean you should always always anticipate the enemy having a consumable of any type

[steady prism]

and

[queen jungle]

and play accordingly

[steady prism]

so

[queen jungle]

?

[steady prism]

i want to hear your way of countering the frag bombs...

since you are trying to school me

[queen jungle]

explosives have bad range and can be blocked by obstacles

distance yourself, put something between you and it

[steady prism]

thats like the worst posible solution

[queen jungle]

?

ok run towards the explosive then

it has worked flawlessly for me, like always

[steady prism]

so either i play long ammo and i stay out of range of frag bombs or attack ONLY when there is a brick house between me and other team?

[queen jungle]

out of range of frag bombs = like 20 meters lul

[steady prism]

if you run towards the explosive, you may score a kill but you will die anyway

[native lodge]

putting yourself into positions where you can counter the strengths of the weapon isn't the worst solution its the best

[queen jungle]

no one is telling you to play long ammo and try to snipe from 200m away

[steady prism]

i hope so... i loathe that shit

[native lodge]

you can out range someones throwing with compact ammo tho so....

[steady prism]

i dunno....

i simply cant this discussion is pointless...

[queen jungle]

if its working for everyone else, but not working for you

then uh... yeah not the game's bad design

[steady prism]

how is that working for everyone?

[native lodge]

it keeps people moving

[queen jungle]

a frag bomb isnt a guaranteed death, for anyone

[fluid locust]

^

[steady prism]

if someone has a frag bomb and you ARE moving you WILL die

[native lodge]

no you won't

[fluid locust]

sometimes frag bombs kill you in BS ways or the fuse doesn't make a sound (although that's not exclusive to frag bombs) but they're not free kills

[steady prism]

literally the only outplay to that is HOPE that he doesnt know exactly where you are and he ll miss

[native lodge]

if that were true I wouldn't be getting away most of the time

[steady prism]

and that doesnt work 90% of times

[native lodge]

for you

which is a positioning issue

[queen jungle]

^

if you run away from a frag bomb you'll survive all right

[steady prism]

console players are crying because of explosive ammo.. which doesnt require skill
pc players are crying because of dualies RNG... which doesnt require skill

i mention a consumable that evaporated life in 30 meter radius and has throwing range of ICBM missile and its just lol git gud

[queen jungle]

it has bad range

exaggeration much

[steady prism]

ok... i take it fine

[native lodge]

both of what you said is untrue

[steady prism]

community likes them... they will have to stay

[native lodge]

it has good range, but not 30m

[queen jungle]

position yourself safely, distance yourself

thats all it takes

there still WILL be situations where you die

[native lodge]

like we aren't trying to say git gud atlest your arguments just aren't aligning with other player experience

and you insist that it them being op and not something you are doing

[steady prism]

imma trying to crop a video i found in my saves

[coarse geyser]

Don't sound broken to me, your teammate has to be dead and have it in the first place, plus there was never anything about picking up weapons with necro, only returning them

[steady prism]

this is how usage of frag bombs actually works...

[native lodge]

he entirely deserved to die there tho

[queen jungle]

i dont see anything wrong with that video

[steady prism]

thats literally it... i was literally feeling bad for the dude

[fluid locust]

he could have done this magical thing called... moving

[native lodge]

More than enough time to get away

[queen jungle]

feeling bad because he overextended, didnt run away from the fuse, and positioned himself very badly

[steady prism]

i didnt even see him for a fraction of second

[native lodge]

you cooked it for almost 4....

[steady prism]

i later found out that he was like 20 meters away from when i actually threw it

thats nowhere close

[queen jungle]

that bounty doesnt look 20 meters away

[queen jungle]

• you dont know if he was missing any health

[steady prism]

the left one is the body of dude i killed with winchester

i threw the frag behind him somewhere at the gazebo

[steady prism]

thats possible i admit

[queen jungle]

i mean ive never died to a frag bomb

[steady prism]

?

[queen jungle]

its not hard to run away

[steady prism]

its literally the most common reason we lose a fight

[queen jungle]

only time ive died to a consumable explosive was when it hit me straight on

[steady prism]

i ve never died to anything than frag bomb

[queen jungle]

running around like a decapitated chicken seems to always work well for me

[steady prism]

since nothing can kill you on such range

[queen jungle]

also putting something inbetween you and the explosive

[steady prism]

that doesnt help.... look at the video

[queen jungle]

ive survived nearly point-blank explosives because i had like an inch of wood between

[steady prism]

there was a wooden gazebo and some bushes between the dude and the bombv

[queen jungle]

bushes arent solid

[native lodge]

those bushes aren't cover

they are concealment

everything pass through them

[steady prism]

most of the time there is no cover

[queen jungle]

?

thats literally just your bad positioning

[steady prism]

it passes through everything wooden

thats like 95% of everything

[native lodge]

and in order to by insta killed she would have had to have been low HP

[steady prism]

it kills you through thick trees as well

[native lodge]

if you are to close yes

[queen jungle]

bullets go through trees as well

[steady prism]

some bullets do ye

[queen jungle]

they arent top tier cover

[native lodge]

depends on the tree

[queen jungle]

yeah it does but dont take safety for granted

[native lodge]

but I still don't see what was wrong with that frag kill tbh

[queen jungle]

same lol

[steady prism]

well i dunno... im perfectly ok with big bundle causing this much pain since you can throw it as far and not causing any extra damage if you "miss" with it

[queen jungle]

the only thing that i dont approve of is frag bomb + pitcher

[steady prism]

but frag is just too versatile and cheap

[native lodge]

they got punished for bad positioning

all that is

[steady prism]

to be also so easy to get kills with

[queen jungle]

its like 5 times the price of dynamite

[native lodge]

situationally yes

[steady prism]

again... dynamite is nowhere close to usability of frag

[native lodge]

other times they do nothing more that get people moving

[steady prism]

dynamite almost never kills anyone even if you hit very close and it can be survived entirely with bulwark

you have to compare it with big bundle which is still worse than frag and costs more

dynamite is a tool to break doors and meatheads... literally

not a PvP consumable

or clear concertinaa

[queen jungle]

dynamite bundle has more damage but it drops off quicker

[steady prism]

big bundle should do what frag bombs are doing but they dont since they are just inferior

[queen jungle]

(iirc)

[queen jungle]

no they shouldnt

[steady prism]

compared to what

[queen jungle]

they have different uses kinda

[native lodge]

also has an 8 second fuse

bundle is bad

[steady prism]

it does?

[native lodge]

not denying that

[steady prism]

i never had one in hand

if it has 8 second fuse i cant argue thats just horrible

[native lodge]

I mean I thought it did

[queen jungle]

werent frags nerfed before?

[native lodge]

I havn't used on in ages lemme cheack

[steady prism]

doubt

[native lodge]

yes

[steady prism]

i just want to see them less...

people can throw other shit on my face

cant remember last time i took hellfire bomb

to the face i mean

[queen jungle]

also the frag is a bit louder

easier to tell if someone is cooking one

[steady prism]

only stuff thats being thrown around is flash and frag

[queen jungle]

thats true

i agree with that

[steady prism]

like... frag bomb already has enough power by dishing out severe bleeding

[queen jungle]

purely meta gameplay = boring

[steady prism]

its the best kind of tool for aggressive pushing

[native lodge]

it sure is

thats why I like it

[steady prism]

so why does it instakill on such distance

[native lodge]

its a frag bomb

its whole point is to be very lethal

people won't be afraid of it if it wasn't

[steady prism]

then make it cost a fortune if it basically guarantees a free win

you can pay 1000 hunt bucks for nitro which sucks enormously

why cant you pay 100 hunt bucks for throwable that wipes a team by throwing it in random direction

at least so it costs more than big bundle

[native lodge]

its not a free win and the Nitro is one of the best rifles in the game

[steady prism]

im not saying its bad... it just sucks 😄

[native lodge]

its hard to take you seriously when you make arguments like that tbh

[steady prism]

you always fail to kill on one hit and the sights are form of self harm

we always take them before prestige to throw one game 😄

since you get them for free

and dude that plays with me always hits like 3 people and kill one

since hitting an arm equals meh dude try again

[native lodge]

yes

still one of the best rifles in the game

[queen jungle]

maybe hit center mass

[steady prism]

i usually either hit nonmoving target in the face... so same result as if id use a winchester for 25 bucks

or i dont hit at all

i admit its fun...

[native lodge]

again this comes down to you though

[queen jungle]

^

not all weapons will fit everyones playstyle, naturally

i hate using the nitro too but its objectively pretty powerful

[steady prism]

its perfect "lets go troll some dudes with enormously huge rifle thats actually pretty bad" kinda thing

and im glad it exists

same as avtomat

or bomb lance

those are almost unusable weapons in untrained hands but they are fun 😄

[queen jungle]

avtomat is bullshit at close range

[steady prism]

and give the game its flair

[queen jungle]

its not bad 💀

like at all

[steady prism]

nah... u need to be proper sweat to be able to run avtomat succesfully

u need full long ammo kit to be able to shoot more than 2 bursts

[queen jungle]

and..?

a gun needing skill to use doesnt mean its objectively bad...

[steady prism]

so shitton of uppercuts stucked in your pockets.. 3 ammo crates in case you meet more than one person

[queen jungle]

does it have horrible recoil? yes.. does it chew through ammo? yes

does it hit hard and shoot very fast? also yes

[steady prism]

and then you get headshotted by lvl1 hunter in the face with his silenced winchester 😄

which is the best part

[queen jungle]

by that logic, any weapon is useless

[steady prism]

it is

since it can easily be countered

but thats the best part of hunt

[queen jungle]

you can get 1-tapped by someone who you dont see, when you're using any weapon, so how does that make the avtomat especially bad

[steady prism]

theres no "meta" "correct" "play-this-or-go-home" weapon...

its completely up to you

you dont have to play this one exact smg that has the lowest TTK and least recoil and other shit...

you simply take what you like and if you dont make a mistake it can be somewhat viable

[steady prism]

because you need to put lots of effort and money so you can play it...

but in reality you are not better equipped than dude running romero hatchet

[queen jungle]

better range

plus you're not fucked if you miss

[steady prism]

he has 2 slot schefield and he doesnt miss

[queen jungle]

you cant do anything against aimbot

[steady prism]

im not saying that avtomat is bad... like its unusable

im saying its bad since its not really worth playing other than meme reasons or if you really like it and have monnies to spare

[queen jungle]

well, yeah

theres nothing wrong with that

[steady prism]

so its just like nitro just a niche thingy... that doesnt mean it wont be scary

but if you keep your cool you have ways to beat it

and thats the magic of Hunt

one of the few reasons why we still play this rotten bug-riddled videogame

[bronze quail]

The fact that you can be killed by someone with the weakest gun don't mean that there are not strong, op, or meta weapons

I can kill an avtomat with a nagant precision deadeye from 70m but the avtomat would still be strong and the nagant deadeye still trash

[maiden pelican]

Hell a normal nagant poison ammo with 2 shots to the head can do it from 120 meters or more

[ebon island]

could also get killed by a crossbow while your spraying them out with your avto.

did that once on lawsons roof vs an avto running between the trains at about 55m.

[steady prism]

Tbh to me nagant precision is much more viable than avtomat

Dont know about deadeye variant... That sounds a bit pointless

But precisions were always the best 2 slot weapons

[fathom geyser]

this guy is high

i really agree with the medium ammo buff though

the only difference from compact to medium is "low penetration damage" turns into "moderate penetration damage"

whereas the difference from medium to long ammo is "high penetration damage", far better damage drop off, can pierce small trees, thin stone walls as well as metal sheets.

like wtf

[fluid locust]

Nitro one shots to arms up to 17m btw. Unless you use dum dum. But they bleed and take so much damage they basically die instantly unless they press bandage the very second they get shot. Also nitro one shots up to like 42m and with dum dum it's 72m. It's pretty good in a skilled players hands.

[steady prism]

Im not saying it cant one shot.... But it mostly wont since its hard to accurately hit with it...

Its great against bosses and meatheads tho

[fluid locust]

That is the entire point lol

It's a skill cannon

[steady prism]

Ye

But for that its completely pointless since if you are skilled enough to hit players effectively with nitro... You are skilled enough to reap heads with any other rifle

Its just more fun doing it with nitro...

[wary wraith]

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[dusty pendant]

@livid estuary Feedback channel is not the channel for telling people they can't play seriously on 60fps. Discussions/responses go here.
But I doubt the person you were responding to cares about your opinion in this particular circumstance.

[topaz sleet]

Is it me or deos it seem like locations are only able to spawn 1 boss type? I have fought all the bosses in the same locations multiple times but never have fought say the butcher in the same locations that I previously fought the spider

[zinc solstice]

#game-ideas message bruh why that gun so long

[sick anvil]

you mean compounds where boss can be. in. one of many buildings ?

like Blanchet graves ?

[topaz sleet]

Yes I meen the compounds. For instance I have fought the spider sooo many times In Upper Desalle but not once seen the butcher spawn there. There are other locations where I have fought the butcher countless time but never have seen one of the other bosses spawn in its place

It could just be circumstance but it seems to me certain locations are favored over others (like how night maps seem to only rotate in 1 evert 15 matches)

[sick anvil]

On dessale i can not say i despise it so much that i am biassed towards that only two places exists where there is the boss king snake and candyland

on the other two maps there are spawns that only have certain bosses

desalle no clue

[topaz sleet]

Oh OK, that confirms my suspicions. I bring it up because the other night me and my buddy found the butcher in a building that we have never seen a boss in before, and it also seemed to small for a boss area but the change of pace was extremely enjoyable. I wish they would make the boss spawns 100% random for every compound

[sick anvil]

As far i know every compound should have a spawn point for every boss

but on the old maps as example blanchet graves , the bosses can spawn on 3 locations ,
The circle the church and underground .
and only thing i have not seen is spider in the church part

[digital nacelle]

@keen bolt we should probably refrain from balancing weapons around special ammo

[keen bolt]

True that

[digital nacelle]

especially since FMJ will likely be tuned soon

it's broken

[keen bolt]

Xd

I think it's kinda ok

[digital nacelle]

I mean in reality it's not

it's basically a straight upgrade on most medium/compact guns

[keen bolt]

Ammo pickups

[digital nacelle]

doesn't really matter

compact & medium guns get plenty of ammo

[keen bolt]

Noob doesn't Benefit from it

[digital nacelle]

yeah they do

the dropoff benefit is even more significant than the penetration

which was the original intent of the ammo to begin with

[keen bolt]

If it's only penetration then it'll be underused

[digital nacelle]

not even

it's still really good on compact & medium guns with only pen

[keen bolt]

Like ... It will benefit compact the most

[digital nacelle]

I'd still take vett fmj

pen metal so important

[half stag]

he kinda has a point, they did make it so that it was only pen, with the velocity drop off and nobody took it

[keen bolt]

But I don't think medium benefits from it that much

[digital nacelle]

I took it on conversion 24/7

the benefit was significant

[keen bolt]

Exactly

[digital nacelle]

as it is right now it is way too good

[half stag]

well that's you, for everyone else, no one took it

[fluid locust]

I mean they could just buff ammo drop off in general and FMJ wouldn't be so good

[half stag]

^