feedback-discussion

[unborn smelt]

yes dmg still means smth if that particular dmg source can't kill you

because it opens you up to easy kills off other dmg sources

[unborn dagger]

^

[unborn smelt]

And it drains meds

[unborn dagger]

And with redskull revive costing 50 instead of 25 people won't be able to easily cheese it anymore

[unborn smelt]

which are a quite important resource

[late wind]

Medkits are literally everywhere.

Running out of first aid is something you have to actively try to do.

[sharp arrow]

I haven’t had a single fight since the update where the redskull has helped mid combat. My fights don’t drag out that long.

Unless you are a million miles away, I don’t see how you couldn’t prevent someone from reviving.

I don’t think the mechanic should be changed anymore. The 50 damage from it guarantees that if you use it you will be one hit to the body by the majority of the weapons in the game.

[unborn smelt]

Well then pursure them...

[unborn dagger]

Agreed

[unborn smelt]

if they run out of meds they can't hide and infinitely res without loosing all their meds or both being onetaps

[sharp arrow]

If you have a hard time preventing revives in time, consumables can help in those situations too. You might even get a kill on the guy reviving if they commit to it for some reason.

[unborn dagger]

This situation would really only happen anyways if they were in a room and even then why ain't you pushing

[sharp arrow]

The only change I could possibly see being okay would be to make it so if you redskull revive, you get the sound muffling of using dark sight.

Since necromancer does that and makes you vulnerable because of the sound loss.

[unborn smelt]

@cold tulip It is 1/3 for each

[cold tulip]

I'll track it for a few days. Sure doesn't feel like it.

[native lodge]

it is

[bronze quail]

33% means 33%
If you are unlucky enough you can get desalle even 10 times in a row.

[ripe basalt]

The sample size you would need is roughly 300+ games. This is how chance and percentiles work. What it seems is that players want streak prevention to prevent multiple occurances from happening. The issue with that, is that every player would have their own streak value to prevent multiple stacks of the same map in a row which is not acceptable for a multi-player game

[timber kettle]

Text thing was totally fixed btw, whoever had helped me in here thank you~!

[jovial lodge]

@terse elm @surreal python Your suggestion has been removed because it lacked detail; feel free to repost with more!

[lethal oyster]

@rocky orchid you weren't forced to duke it out with the team at port. If you going for the bounty, there's always the option to disengage and head down towards the bounty. In most cases, they won't even realized you left the fight for like 2 minutes.
It's unfortunate but not an impossible situation at all.

Assuming you have greyhound it takes like 3 minutes to cross the map completely. Don't tell me you didn't have enough time. That's just a lack of priorities at that point

[rocky orchid]

the fight was quite long and the map was pointed out ( that the boss could be also in port reeker).. because this was quite a big area after the first clue,

yeah sure.. running away from a fight and having a sandwich situation than at catfish or getting shot by the team midway sounds like a genius plan.. greetings to that!

also that is not the first time boss compounds and extraction "cuddle" that close.. that just dont have to be a thing

and on top of that i play HUNT.. not running simulator

[steady prism]

@rocky orchid maybe bosses could benefit from some kind of additional resistance that will get weaker by time

so that if you spawn near a boss and instantly throw a sticky bomb in its face, it wont get oneshoted

oh! brilliant idea...

each boss will get less armored as players take clues...

so if you spawn near the boss and instantly start blasting him to death, he will get like 99% resistance to everything... once team 2 picks first clue, it will drop to 95% etc.

so basically... when teams start to get closer, boss grows weaker

[vague patio]

that complain always seemslesslikeacritic on rng than alt of, i think its unfair that the team doesnt have to fight me

sometimes peoplearelucky

sometimes you are

fucking around with rng is alwaysquestionable, asit can easilystart giving away bosslocation etc without any info of clues

[rocky orchid]

thats an awesome idea

[sick anvil]

The only issue is that even tought RNG should ensure that the scenario keeps changing but since boss location and extraction location are separate rng instances independent of each other it leads to a large portion on boss locations on the edge of the map also have one extraction right there on top of that 3rd indipendent rng is spawn locations which again can hit the same area meaning the chance of you spawn near a compound that has both boss and exit is high

Solution is quite easy exit can not be in same compound zone or adjecent one if compound is bordering with the edge of the map

[devout axle]

@pliant wren I’m just curious what does the half moon clip even give it?

Like are you using bigger rounds? Or like what is the point is what I’m asking?

[unborn smelt]

Faster reload

[pliant wren]

The reload is normally 15 seconds from empty. With what I propose, the max would be 7 seconds.

[devout axle]

Oh I get it

[unborn smelt]

With 3 clips taking 2 sec to reload each youd be looking at 6s + some more to start and finish the animation

[devout axle]

Yeah ok I get it I was thinking it’d only be like one and I was like why would someone want a 3 bullet clip

[rocky orchid]

i feel you.. like really... playing since alpha and the last year nearly daily.. but since the last couple of updates i only feel pain

@ancient swift because the original game design is only based on duos and no one ever implement something like trio in the statistics 😉

[devout axle]

I just want a revolving rifle and a heavy crossbow variant then Id be happy

[pliant wren]

I've thought about suggesting a Chu Ko Nu crossbow, but I believe there's literally no way to ADS with it, cause the ammo box is in the way.

[devout axle]

Id just like to see some variants for crossbow and or bow maybe some new ammo types as well

Id just love being able to snipe properly with a crossbow at distance

[pliant wren]

shrug I've seen highlights of people doing some crazy shots with it.

Things like a kill shot from Pelican Island to the upper floor of Darin Shipyard.

Just edited the LeMat Half moon entry to be more clear.

[devout axle]

Well like you can snipe Id just like something made specifically for it with proper drawbacks but I’d just like a sniping variant

[pliant wren]

Just had an idea for a Frag Javelin. Medium weapon, max range of 75 meters. It's got detonation cord all the way down the shaft and the outside of the shaft is covered in the same ceramic plates as the Frag Bomb. When it sticks in something it triggers and 3 seconds later, the whole shaft explodes. You'd get a very limited amount of them, say 3-5 and you wouldn't be able to reload them at all.

Not really refined enough for a suggestion, and with how much some people hate frag bombs, might not be a point to suggesting it.

[atomic cipher]

@karmic ivy Very often it's way to much. Out of 100 % of ppl I play with 100% say they would like to reduce the amount of AI. Devs increased it with new map update even though players were already asking to do the opposite. Ye, sometimes they get in your way, but more often than not they take away from the PVP side of the game. Especially if you are not camping and moving actively. If you play aggressively though, you are fighting all the AI because of how aggro is done in Hunt (it's kinda broken). Wanna have 2 Immolators and 3 hives in 20 meter radius at the same time? - Easy! Devs are ready to deliver

[grizzled sedge]

If u struggle with ai, I mean, like, just, get good

[frosty garnet]

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[unborn smelt]

Where dis you get the info they increased the AI spawns ?

Because afaik they even reduced the soawnrates for hounds on desalle on popular demand

Afaik they did not

[eager widget]

@queen jungle I like your choice of the Dying Light 2 Loot Zombie that's pretty rare :P

[unborn smelt]

Hence why im asking where the info is from

[silent tartan]

They did add new AI spawns since 1.7, especially in Arden Parish.. but those hives are going to get adjusted again

The hives in Arden can now spawn almost on all roofs

[unborn smelt]

I'll gladly change my mind if one can present a trustable source

[eager widget]

They need to make the chance of 4-5 immolators, 8 dogs, and 4 concertina armoreds along with 3 meatheads happen way less in compounds and around them.

Those compounds are so fucking annoying

[queen jungle]

XD Thanks

I think it would be fun to have in Hunt

maybe even replace the little bags of hunt dollars with something like that

I don't think the little hunt bags are very compelling to find.

[vague patio]

so noweveryone is coming with anecdotal evidence?

afaik they never increasedthe spawnrate

new hives spawns is true tho

only thing i ever noticed as "too much" is the occasional bugged double pack spawn from dogs

hunt really hasnt "too much" ai

[native lodge]

I got the proof

[unborn smelt]

But its possible to add new spawn locations without increasing spawnrate

[vague patio]

if you play aggresive and pull everything then thats a lack on your situational awareness

[silent tartan]

Adding new location where AI can spawn increases the total amount

[unborn smelt]

I asked about that specifically in the past - and the answer i got was unless they've literally spawned in each other or only like a meter apart its not bugged double spawns

[vague patio]

that was what i was refering to

most times they are apart yes, but sometimes they are in each other

[atomic cipher]

I play enough of this game to notice such a change. If you have any doubts ask devs directly 🙂

[vague patio]

did you ask the devs directly?

[unborn smelt]

I did ask if they changed spawns or if they were buggy (because i seemed to notice what looked like double spawns) and i got a straight no as an answer

Hence me asking for a trusty source...

[karmic ivy]

I see, I am one that learned how not to trigger all the A.I. If you have not embraced that strategy I can understand it being troublesome. But at that point it is your choice. And that IS the theme here. we get choices. I like that. I choose to be quiet and slower, you choose to fight A.I. and move faster. Each has good and bad points, advantages and disadvantages. So therefore I feel the A.I. balance is done right. It is tuned well. If there was less, it would allow players to move too freely I think. upsetting the balance I just mentioned.

[eager widget]

"Occassional double pack spawn" It is literally every spawn for me

Aside from a few times I can think of. But even then, they usually have 5-6 instead of the 4 they are supposed to have from what I know

[atomic cipher]

I'm all for different styles of the gameplay. As long as one is not so heavily favoured. Devs made it so camping/slow-playing is much more likely to give you an easy win/kill. 60 mins match time duration, map design, game objectives etc. all favours this particular style... AI spawn/aggro the way it is now = overkill. Btw, so do you think 2-3 immo /hives literally stacked in one aggro radius is fine?

[atomic cipher]

Well my friend. They way I see it, they either: A) did not tell you the truth or B) They did it unintentionally and maybe never check it later

[vague patio]

you even hear yourself?

[eager widget]

If that's the case. Then things make more sense.

Thanks

[karmic ivy]

yeah that is fine, it is rare to have that many immolators in one place, but when it has happened to me I was able to deal with it fine. I think there was even a hive nearby.

[grizzled sedge]

immolators, choke on this

[native lodge]

dense AI spawns actually favor fast and loud approaches, as you are to vulnerable for to long trying to deal with a lot of threats quietly

[queen jungle]

dude you keep saying that they increased spawns, but you dont have any evidence lmao. maybe youre wrong, ever thought of that?

[opaque reef]

Will matchmaking ever actually get looked at? I think the problem is the variable brackets. Allowing them to shrink/grow means that whenever you are playing off peak hours you may as well turn sbmm off.

[queen jungle]

i think something that would help would be to remove the randoms modifier. as a high 5 star, i almost always get matched with/against 4 star players which is rather frustrating

in other games with elo, you dont have a lower queue rating simply because you queue with randoms players

[unborn smelt]

So you expect other people, and myself - to believe your subjective feeling of the situation that you cant back in any way - over what a crytek employee literally told me ?

Even if you were right it needs to be proven before its considered a fact...

You are free to have your own and diffrent opinion - but you should have something more than feelings to back something you try and present as a fact

[crystal plume]

I have seen a normal amount of AI in full lobbies, hunt uses a "budget" system for AI spawns where each player/team has a certain amount of budget for spawning AI. This can mean that emptier lobbies = more AI spawns around players

[opaque reef]

I do hate the randoms modifier. The game seems to think that because me and my friends are a pre-made, we're suddenly using seal team six tactics. That said, I still think the brackets being variable is a big problem, since unless you're playing on a packed server at peak hours, you'll never actually get put into the rather narrow bracket in which you belong, and instead get put into the 2-3 brackets the game can justify. Even worse is that "Skill Based Matchmaking" is a misleading term, because it makes people think the game will seek to put them against players of similar skill, but in reality it usually just throws certain players into matches where they have little hope of success as fodder for 6 stars.

[atomic cipher]

Ain't that a convenient excuse? ( Especially coming from a biased person like a moderator) You know perfectly well that the only ones having statistic/numeric proof would be Devs themselves. And taking into account that Devs actually have their hands full with all the long-lasting issues that have been bothering players forever, plus all the new ones.... don't you think Devs are not in a hurry to admit messing up even more? Btw, how do you suggest anyone should prove the AI increase Just wondering. At least what @crystal plume suggested makes sense

[karmic ivy]

sounds like good sense to me, not an excuse.

[unborn smelt]

So what i say is wrong by proxy because im biased - and what you say is right because its the opposite of what the devs say?

And valid proof could be smth like a blogpost by the devs, or patchnotes

[native lodge]

I see only one person making excuses and its not Rangorok

[atomic cipher]

I already addressed the issue with proof being available to devs only and their willingness to provide it. I'm not saying that you are biased by default, but your particular argument sure does favours a convenient point of view(Devs side it is). As for my point - it is not correct simply because it's opposite to what Devs say. It is based on enough hours in the game over a long period of time, i.e. my experience. Plus on experience of other players I talked to. Plus on what I observed other streamers talk about. Is it enough? I dunno, but I'm definitely not alone thinking this way, so there's enough clues to see the argument.

[opaque reef]

Honestly what @crystal plume said has been my experience. When the server is empty or mostly empty, I see really ridiculous amounts of A.I. spawning together. I often run out of stamina with the endless streams of grunts I have to kill. I will also see lots of double/triple immolators/hives/armoreds. It's one of the telltale signs my team is alone on the map.

[atomic cipher]

could be that. Or could be that the new map is somehow different in terms of AI spawn.

[opaque reef]

The new map did have really high A.I. spawnrates initially, but I'm pretty sure the devs acknowledged and addressed it. Specifically hives.

The map is also much more vertical, so even regular amounts of A.I. spawn will have a layering effect, where you trigger multiple groups on different levels.

[unborn smelt]

Well i took the devs side because i literally asked them about the topic.
And your experience is as good as anyone elses then, i play since march 2018 and have over 2000 hours. As for streamers its again modtly just feelings of the individual

[native lodge]

Desalle may have more spawns than the other maps, but given the layout it would make sense to do so

[atomic cipher]

Well, I guess all I can do is make a screenshot of such a "rare spawn" of multiple AI in one small area and then check how many teams where in the match.

[unborn smelt]

You can get completely conflicting info by diffrent streamers on the same topic

[opaque reef]

What times do you usually play?

[unborn smelt]

We dont even know if it actually has tho

It might - but it might also just feellike it because its designed difftent

[opaque reef]

If you're playing off peak hours, you'll see a lot of A.I.

[unborn smelt]

But they did reduce hound spawns

[opaque reef]

Anything more than zero is too many hound spawns.

[atomic cipher]

Prime time for EU. And 95% of the time lobbies are full. So I rarely see empty maps

[native lodge]

yeah can't confirm nor deny it, but given the verticality I can see the possibility of needing more AI to cover the more complex map

but I don't think that bad thing if its true

[opaque reef]

I also see A.I. from different levels getting triggered, which makes it feel really packed.

[pliant wren]

Yeah, I'm going with Rangorok on this one. There's literally no reason for the devs to lie about this, they gain nothing. People will always piss and moan about something, check the feedback channel for proof. Nobody's leaving just cause they had a bunch of AI pop up. Especially not when a couple of properly placed decoys and a dynamite bundle can clear the whole are in a couple minutes.

[native lodge]

also a possibility that make sense

[unborn smelt]

I didnt even evaluate his idea or anything - nor did i side with or against it.

[sullen zephyr]

Would be funny when you would have poisen arrow on crossbow

[unborn smelt]

I just questioned if its a fact they increased AI spawns against the "majorities" will

[sullen zephyr]

Wasn't it like back in the super early beta mobs three hitet you

[unborn smelt]

Hounds yes

They were glasscannons back then

[maiden pelican]

Hellhounds did 70

[maiden pelican]

And ignored hitstun

I think, can barely remember

Now we get spinny bois

[atomic cipher]

"There's literally no reason for the devs to lie about this" - Yeah, sure. The same Devs that let Cain be in the game in his current state for how long? The same Devs that let Dolch be Dolch for how long? And regarding "People will always piss and moan about something" - sure... players should always stay silent

[maiden pelican]

The changed him after adding him, then admitted as close as they could to "fucking up"

Also of course the dolch will be the dolch, if it wasn't what would we complain about

Dolch is in an unfun spot now but that is because of every other gun being fun (mostly)

[opaque reef]

I would be in favor of more A.I. if it weren't so trash. I've watched an immolator run from behind the enemy team I was fighting, through the crossfire, past my teammates, just so it could slap me, the farthest player from it.

[opaque reef]

Dolch players deserve to suffer.

[maiden pelican]

The agro of AI needs tuning

[atomic cipher]

I would agree to that. If AI is configured better, it would help A LOT. Right now agro works really weird sometimes.

[maiden pelican]

Seems sometimes like they go for lowest health player

Sometimes the closest player

[pliant wren]

Lol, They nerfed Dolch into being entirely too expensive for it's usefulness, and they actually adjusted Cain after release, and you're still complaining about them, proving my point, nothing is ever good enough for the ones who complain. And yeah, if you're here complaining, making up things you can't prove, then trying to discredit the people who are in a position to actually know, yeah, feel free to stay silent.

[maiden pelican]

They don't care who theybdetected

[maiden pelican]

Not on his side but cain and gator to a lesser extent need some changes. Besides I would rather kill and die in style than be a bushwookie

https://streamable.com/g3sf5c

[atomic cipher]

they adjusted Cain. Great, problem solved. We have nothing to talk about. To you personally I will stay silent

[maiden pelican]

For example gator only seen because I look directly where he ended up and was moving

[native lodge]

dolch is still good, and used. the nerf happened not because people whined endlessly about it but because many people respectfully gave their opinions on it and the devs agree with them, thats why it wasn't nerfed into he ground

[maiden pelican]

Or it's use stats were still too high

[unborn smelt]

Not really

[native lodge]

its use stats were pretty low as a whole

[maiden pelican]

Since they have said they do balance changes based on usage.

[unborn smelt]

If use stats over complaining they would need to dumpster the uppercut

[native lodge]

^^^

[maiden pelican]

Usage stats as a justification with the addition of complaints

[unborn smelt]

They nerfed the dolch bevause of a mix of complaining and pure crying...

Both happened - a lot

[native lodge]

true true

I do think they listened to people with valid well structured complaints over the people who whined and wanted it nerfed into the ground or removed

[maiden pelican]

Might be a complaints to usage ratio

[native lodge]

it wasn't the usage rate

[unborn smelt]

Id say in part...

They seem to also often value the outcry too much

[maiden pelican]

The second most recent was usage rate related no?

[atomic cipher]

maybe usage ratio by a certain tier of players?

[unborn smelt]

When custom ammo was new, when the cent was new, with the QS changes, with the Bow nerfs

[maiden pelican]

I know it used to be used by like 20% of 5 stars of a certain rating but very low usage everywhere else

[maiden pelican]

Was there outcry over the centennial? All I remember was people thinking it was gonna be bad.

[unborn smelt]

Personally i think it'd help if they keep new stuff untouched for like 2 months longer than now until the hype anf fears died down

[native lodge]

thats fair

[queen jungle]

Lots of people think the centennial is trash which is why the price got cut down... but its still trash so idk

[maiden pelican]

People thought it would be OP were it long ammo or if it had a higher RoG than vetterli

[unborn smelt]

In here they cried how op the MV was and it was too cheap

They even thought it'd replace long ammo

[maiden pelican]

Ahh, I guess that might have happened, but I thought most of the oldtimers thought it was absolute dogshit

[queen jungle]

have they ever used the centennial? lmao

it is absolute dog shit

[unborn smelt]

And in the long run it got its price cut in half and still sees very little play

[unborn smelt]

Thats the thing - only very shortly or not at all

[maiden pelican]

Cause we knew medium, with extremely low restock, and terrible damage, and ESPECIALLY unlocking after the lebel

[native lodge]

its funny because it might be my second most played weapon

[maiden pelican]

Were more important

[unborn smelt]

My entire point was they imo rush adjustments too quick after releasing stuff

And there is a noticable history of that happening

[maiden pelican]

Certainly didn't with the Cent. But yeah I agree

[pliant wren]

I don't have that much of an issue with Cain, but I'm of the opinion that nerfing things is a bad way to fix problems in games. It creates a downward spiral where people just migrate to things that haven't been nerfed, then people complain about those and they get nerfed, and it continues until the game isn't worth playing. Instead I recommend buffing everything else that seems subpar in comparison. My point however is that complainers don't typically stop complaining no matter what devs do to appease them.

[unborn smelt]

Well a healthy mix of berf and buffs is needed

[maiden pelican]

Titanfall 2 is a good example of nerfing only when needed, buffing otherwise

[queen jungle]

literally siege right here - devs nerfed everything that had too high of a usage and the game is practically dead now

[unborn smelt]

You cant fix everything by buffs

[maiden pelican]

Nerfs should be used more sparingly though

[unborn smelt]

But reserve nerf for just the worst cases imo

[maiden pelican]

And more tweaks that don't have an outstanding effect are nice.

Like giving precisions an extra load of ammo

[native lodge]

I do prefer the slow and steady approach

[maiden pelican]

Why does the nagant P have less ammo than the winfield vandal?

[native lodge]

so it can miss more

[unborn smelt]

Because it gets pistol lvl reserves

[queen jungle]

yeah, its still a pistol... just with a stock slapped onto it

[pliant wren]

I agree, but if you do the buffs first, then you might see that a less severe nerf is needed. I mean, if 1/2 of the legendaries blended in as good or better than Tier 3s, would Cain seem like as much of a problem?

[unborn smelt]

They do and have done in the past

[maiden pelican]

If you dedicate more of your storage space to a larger weapon logically you should have more ammo for it (ignoring that its stock is it's holster)

Dolch can get ignored by that part don't worry

[unborn smelt]

The camo discussion happened with felis, bonedoc and blackcoat originally

Went on to plague doc

And has its pinnacle in cain, reptilian and headsman

[maiden pelican]

It did, though I would argue it was never as heated as Cain discussion, because of black hunters blending in l3ss

[maiden pelican]

I still don't know why people don't complain about plague, besides I want him with the spooky white mask

[unborn smelt]

Yes it was never that heated

[maiden pelican]

But I think the main issue is sort of like how real life military's don't use black camo at night

[unborn smelt]

But the communities opinion often differs from whats good objectively

[maiden pelican]

The headsman is definitely a lighter color than say felis or the bone doctor

[unborn smelt]

Not saying they shouldnt adress them tho

[maiden pelican]

Most tier 3s have a visible face different from the rest of their model

[pliant wren]

I just feel the problem is inflated cause we have Legendaries like Carter, The Researcher, and Llarona's walking around. Llarona's white shirt is like a spot light, Carter only blends in with grass, and the Researcher isn't sneaking up on anything but a luggage cart.

[maiden pelican]

I would buy tier 2s and 1s by model if I could..

[unborn smelt]

But warped perception of whats meta or skillfull usually skewes the opinion from the actual data

[maiden pelican]

Carter?

Which one is carter again?

[unborn smelt]

Some sure, but i wouldnt say most

Lemme check actually

[maiden pelican]

Ahhh, I was thinking that guy

I just call him gunslinger guy, other one is gunslinger girl

[pliant wren]

His whole outfit is dirty yellow, you can see him in the dark easier than in the daylight.

[unborn smelt]

Not that many actually

[maiden pelican]

@unborn smelt Just checked myself most do

[vague patio]

i had more trouble spoting gunslinger then reptile

[maiden pelican]

You counting the ones with white facepaint

[unborn smelt]

Most hide facial features behind some clothing

[vague patio]

i honestlyx think cain was the pinnacle and people justcontinue to salt every other skin just because of him

[unborn smelt]

And many are darkskinned which blends very well with dark brown clothes

[maiden pelican]

Clothing of the same color as their torso? And entire face or just nose and below

[pliant wren]

I really like the gunslinger. She looks like the grown up version of the girl from True Grit.

[unborn smelt]

Well the hooded guys for example

Or the ones with hat and bandana

[queen jungle]

Most of the tier 3 hunters dont have a face covering, one has a blue bandana, a couple have a black bandana

[maiden pelican]

Lemme count hats and dark bandanas in with hoods and headwraps

[queen jungle]

And a couple have hoods

[maiden pelican]

Brb

[unborn smelt]

2 with hat+bandana, 2 with hood and dark beard, 1 ghilie, 3 dark skinned hunters

[maiden pelican]

At most 16/10

[unborn smelt]

Thats already 8 of 15 to thide the face mostly

[maiden pelican]

Are you counting the yellow and blue face mask people?

[unborn smelt]

No

Just the 2 with dark bandana and hat

[pliant wren]

There's a good idea: The Cain pouch. A tool, a pouch filled with the ashes of your dead family. Use it to apply Cain's color scheme to your hunter for 10 minutes. Cost: one family.

[unborn smelt]

2 with a deep hood and a beard to darken the bottom part

The ghilie which just has e@e holes

[maiden pelican]

Should just spawn an AI controlled cain

[unborn smelt]

2 just dark skinned hunters

[queen jungle]

I honestly dont think that the dark skinned hunters are hard to see in game

[unborn smelt]

And one dark skinned hunter whith white facepaint - where a lot of it is masked by the hat tho

[maiden pelican]

I don't think dark skin is much of an advantage

[queen jungle]

^

[unborn smelt]

I dont think its more or less of an advantage than headsman

Because the dark brown clothing blends with the dark skin to not make any of the features pop out in any way

[queen jungle]

i dont see how these are comparable

[pliant wren]

Yeah, I have a harder time seeing the headsman than Cain or Reptillian

[queen jungle]

?

[maiden pelican]

They are much more recognizably a human face

[queen jungle]

^

thats honestly all that matters, is if you can see the face

if you can see the face, you can intuit where the body is

[maiden pelican]

And their fave is a much different pattern than the rest of their outfit

[pliant wren]

In my game, Blade sticks out bad, cause his clothes are off white.

[unborn smelt]

Then cain is no issue at all

[queen jungle]

i honestly dont have a problem with cain, so yeah

i have issues with reptillian and headsman

[unborn smelt]

He has the least clothes of any hunter covering the shape

[queen jungle]

the only problem i have with him is i sometimes cant tell if im shooting a skull or a head, but thats sorta whatever to me

[eager widget]

That's because that's the legendary. They're demonstrating the Tier 3 version of him instead

[maiden pelican]

The thing is good face and body are similar patterns

[pliant wren]

Ahh

[unborn smelt]

Well dark brown skin and clothes are way more similar that white skin and dark clothes tho

[eager widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367785159933689857/944706519784644678/unknown.png This guy is the tier 3 version. Hence why he's got a black coat instead of a white one with markings all over.

[unborn smelt]

So there is an advantage then

[maiden pelican]

This, his skulls should be bleached white

[eager widget]

Or, ya know, not put skulls up where someone's head would be

I'd be happy with removing that dumb backpack, honestly

[maiden pelican]

Make him dummy this with 2 different skull bags on his thighs and butt

The clap of my ass-skulls keeps alerting the immolators

[opaque reef]

Cain can be hard to see at times, but my main issue is with hunters whose outfit obscures their hitboxes rather than color palette.

[queen jungle]

i.e. cain?

lol

[opaque reef]

I've missed shots on black coat and mountain man because of their attire.

Lizard man, Cain, and to a lesser extent headsman and devil dude have this problem too.

[maiden pelican]

Mountainman is the only one I could see that being remotely a problem with

[opaque reef]

All of them have clothing that extends significantly past their hitboxes. I'm not saying it's a constant problem, but it's caused enough missed shots in the heat of battle for me to notice.

[maiden pelican]

Tier 2s have that too

[opaque reef]

Yes, but not to the same extent.

[maiden pelican]

Also a lot of them go through the floor for some reasom

Depends on length

La llronoa skirt especially

[opaque reef]

Floor and wall collisions could use some work.

They really should make anything that passed through a solid wall invisible.

[maiden pelican]

Like cs:go I think

[opaque reef]

Ye

[next atlas]

GIB MORE FRAMES PLEASE

[maiden pelican]

Installed the new drivers?

[grizzled sedge]

You know what a human body is shaped like, why you shooting at clothes

[vague hawk]

there should be cross-play in my option

[maiden pelican]

Play on pc or console?

If on console you really don't want M+KB players vs controller players.

[vague hawk]

true

[maiden pelican]

Look for clips of console play and PC players just go "why didnt he just headshot everyone who stopped moving for half a second?"

[vague patio]

so when will they add nitro fmj?

[neat fiber]

THIS

[ionic dove]

I don't know how far the devs are on fixing the trap-bug canceling the placing of beartraps and disarmed wire traps, but I realised the bug doesn't appear for me when I have Poacher on my hunters; maybe worth to look into it to measure out what's broken?

[pliant wren]

@languid cedar I feel like that Rival Extended would invalidate the long barrel Romeros completely.

It would have to have a drastic damage reduction over the normal rival or it would just be crazy OP. Imagine it with flechette rounds.

[languid cedar]

There are a lot of weapons that are just cheaper weaker versions of others. Like the nagant and the nagant officer. Or the nagant and the caldwell conversion pistol. This would be sort of the same thing. Remerro 77 is dirt cheap and the cadlwell extended would be pretty expensive. Honestly, with the specter having a 12 meter range, spread imbetween romerro and caldwell and a 5 round mag it makes all other shotguns pretty obsolete already. Caldwell extended is a high skill, high price, high reward shotgun. Higher spread at shorter range means you really only have to point the caldwell in the general direction of your enemy and unload. The slower fire rater and higher penalty of grazing your enemy removes this luxery from the caldwell extended

[pliant wren]

I dunno, the Romero having 15 meters means it's the most reliable one shotter out of all the shotguns, there's a reason it's still used by veterans. And the reason the Rival is so good isn't because of its spread, it's cause of it doing 175 damage if all pellets hit, the spread is actually working against it, which is why you see it with flechette rounds so much, they tighten that spread. It's also why you don't see the Rival Hand Cannon hardly ever, it has even higher spread and it's damage is almost 100 points less. To extend it's range, you have to tighten it's spread and if it's still doing 175 damage at even further ranges, even if you reduce the RPM to 30, you're essentially making a mini Nitro.

[unborn smelt]

The specter has good spread but significantly worse than a romero,
It has 5 rounds but at a bad rof ( any pistol shoots faster or as fast) while the other competitors have beter Rof or the ability to gaom vastly increased Rof with a perk.

So no it doesnt invalidate other shotguns - but its a good middleground

[fathom thorn]

Soooo many empty or near empty lobbies recently in NA West and elsewhere based on the subreddit. Even Friday and Saturday nights 😦 We have even more players than we used to, why does the matchmaking take forever these days?

[neat fiber]

This is not true at all all guns in the game currently have unique characteristics that while not necessarily in stats are very different play VERY differently

[pliant wren]

Most lobbies I get into, even at off peak hours usually have 5-10 other players in them.

Though it takes about 3 - 6 minutes waiting in the queue beforehand usually as well.

[unborn smelt]

Well its partly true - there arent many weapons that are nearrly strictly worth but there are a few.

Like the nagant pistol to the conversion, or the officer, or romero hatchett to romero hc

[neat fiber]

There is so much more than stats when it comes to hunts guns the big difference between the Lebel and Mosin is that they feel completely different the Lebel is slow and janky but very steady while the Mosin is comparatively smooth along with the mag size and the mosins use of clips

The devil is in the details with these weapons

[unborn smelt]

I'm pretty sure the lebel isn't more steady or less steady than the mosin.

[neat fiber]

It is the Lebel handling is 83 and Mosin is 75

That's part of why the Lebel was such a big thing when it came out and why I and the people playing with me at the time feared a scoped one

Lebel is 83% and Mosin is 75%

[unborn smelt]

Handling is more than sway tho

"Handling: An abstract rating of effectiveness taking the following into account: weapon sway, recoil, and bullet spread. For melee weapons, this takes into account stamina consumption, reach, and angle of the swing arc instead. The higher the percentage, the better the weapon handles."

So in essence handling is a weird frankenstat that doesnt say much

2 guns with the same sway and diffrent recoil have diffrent handling

[neat fiber]

Ok but since day one I have seen a clear difference in the Lebels sway if you haven't noticed it that's fine but it's very much so there

[unborn smelt]

Well as i always say - i'll believe it once i have proof.

[neat fiber]

Ok

[unborn smelt]

Last info i remember is the devs deliberately unifying sway amongst weapon categories.

And i only know of one exception to this, being the Winnie 1873C, where they increased recoil but decreased sway in an effort to make it play more diffrent from the base winnie 1873

[neat fiber]

What are the weapon categories used here?

I have also recently prestiged so I don't have the necessary guns available to me to properly test this

Just loading into training games pulling out a Sparks and Springfield has clear sway difference but I don't know if "weapon categories" are as broad rifles, shotguns, pistols etc.

[unborn smelt]

IIRC most rifles should have the same sway

As should pistols (without a stock)

I lack the skill or software rn to do smth like recording a few guns and overlaying the recordings.

Maybe i'll find a way to test it as scientific as possible tomorrow tomorrow

[neat fiber]

Looking it up the only thing I'm finding is about pistol sway with quick swapping

[unborn smelt]

Yeah i also dont find very detailed patchnotes either

[neat fiber]

Honestly if you wanted once I got higher in my prestige we could call and load into training games while streaming in Discord so we can see side by sides of all guns we're curious about

[unborn smelt]

I did that a few times already

But that doesnt rule out human error thats smth i'd like to rule out

[neat fiber]

Fair

[unborn smelt]

Tomorrow i'll be on my PC again and might try to find a way to do it

[neat fiber]

Ok

Keep me posted

[unborn smelt]

If i find a way i'll do

[rocky orchid]

that is basically the nitro at its beginnings.. usually the nitro (IRL) doesnt have this stupid sight... So why get a caldwell rival extended when we remove the nitro sight and have basically the same?

haha.. that is so true.. i always laughing about how fast the player reloads the clip.. the only long ammo rifle which has nearly a realistic reload time is by far the lebel

[devout axle]

Well I’m the morning it’s just better to play on Europe servers

[rocky orchid]

haha yeah seems like everyone over the world is just playing EU.. i really dont know why there is still a selectable option for players.. it just dont make any sense 😛 everyone is playing on EU (russians, chinese, americans, people from south africa,... and of course european people :P)

[elder ibex]

because in middle all other servers too far or too shitty. For example im in asian region but too far from singapore, japan and other asia servers locations. Im close to russia but russian servers lagging af. Better to play on eu with 120 ping than on russia with 60 and permanent rubberbanding

[hot vigil]

Hopefully Crytek can use some of that DLC/BB money to expand their servers a little.

[rocky orchid]

[hot vigil]

I remain optimistic! Nevertheless, I'm in Europe, so not affected.

[rocky orchid]

see.. best example, why there should be no player choice at all.. for testing purpose the selectable servers are ok, but for a online game were ping is relevant there should always the server decide which is the best option for you and take this

[hot vigil]

I do not mind people being able to play with friends cross servers tho.
Guess the solution would be that if there is people from different regions the party, the game will do a coin toss to what region they'll get queued into?

[rocky orchid]

by server choice they would still be able to.. why that shouldnt work? .. the server just would have some mathematical formular to calculate which is the best option for both/all three of them instead of using the fixed selected.. and also this would solve the issue people play on the highest ping for abusing purpose

[hot vigil]

Agreed

[cunning shuttle]

so y the assasin is dead but 2 of its "mirror" is still running inside the boss lair, they are not attacking anybody

[unborn smelt]

If you add this description to the screenshot in feedback we wont need to delete it...

[elder ibex]

in perfect condition where all region fully covered with servers without performance issues, sure its fit. But now hunt infrastructure not in perfect condition and not cover all regions

[cunning shuttle]

True, but i'm not used to the 30 min delay between interactions, so i droped the pic than realised that can't write anything ..

[unborn smelt]

Okay 👍

Wasnt sure so i doublechecked first

[rocky orchid]

where is server choosing by server more of an issue than of the player? the server can better analyse where you have the best condition?!

maybe it is just me who think this server choosability is just obsolete..

i just like clean UI as i am working in IT and have many clients/customer where i do process stuff and analyse..

hunt UI especially in the main menu gets overloaded by clickable spoilers, adds, and other useless stuff (like mr. chary).. i like a clean ui where the function is mostly given by the programm/app itself..

[elder ibex]

can server predict when i can have permanent rubberbanding or disconnects every 2 minutes?

[rocky orchid]

yes

[unborn smelt]

Yes the server can predict bad connections - and sonetimes choosing a diffrent server may help.

But it cant really predict if a player favors fuller higher ping matches or empty/ more imbalanced lower ping matches

And for example with ping locks as sometimes suggested it makes playi g with friends overseas way worse

[obtuse spruce]

Your servers are having a stroke. I desync so hard, I can shoot an entire magazine and shoot blood out of players. For no X hit marker. Same with zombies. I wish the server could do this more so I can die in every game like that.

[lethal oyster]

@rain geode don't we already have an auto run mechanic?

[rocky orchid]

but the question here is.. "should the server give a f*ck about personal feelings and favor or should it do his job in the best way for everyone so that the game experience overall is the best?" - that is the thing i am asking me the whole time.. i dont know any customer of mine where people asked which this and that would you like.. it is more "eat or die"

the reason i started talking about this is just.. "clean the ui, crytek" i don't want to play Hunt: Advertise down

[unborn smelt]

I mean i fulmy agree with cleaner UI

But i dont think taking away player choice needs to happen for it

[rocky orchid]

and on top of this i am sure it would buff the overall game experience

[rocky orchid]

well.. i guess it is more a artefact of the "sandbox" scheme typ of game

[unborn smelt]

Way too many people just take it as an excuse for them loosing rather than it actually being unfair

[rocky orchid]

one reason more to remove it.. no more crying

also better for the streamers.. streamsniping and getting on the same server is more or less unpredictable

[unborn smelt]

Well no - because then other people in small regions get objectively worse MM

Stream sniping can be circumveted in other ways too

[rocky orchid]

so it is better that 70-85 (just throwing out numbers) % have issues with the servers and having bad time than rather get it straight and "don't care" about the 15-30% of players who live at the last corner of the www 😛

[unborn smelt]

Do they tho?
And even if they have region lock wont dix a thing

Because if so many people have server issues its the server not people from far regions.

[rocky orchid]

i dont care about region lock, more kind of.. you have the right ping, you are allowed to play..

[rocky orchid]

not always.. it also depends on DNS hops,

the server at crytek can't do much if your DNS hop is more than 30

[unborn smelt]

Yeah and i dont think thats a good idea to forbid people from playing because a bunch of people whine smth is unfair because they dont understand the system.

[rain geode]

apparently there is on console but it's not on pc

[unborn smelt]

And i'd say the ability to prioritize for example fuller or more balanced servers is more important than afmittedly sometimes frustrating moments, thata re however fair duröe to serverside validation.

Because one directly impacts the fairness of a match - while the other at best reduces frustration, but wont be more fair

[rocky orchid]

but.. server choice or not.. it would not change anything if the server is overflooted and the server decide.. wait @unborn smelt plays normally EU with the best ping, today i switch him to NA because it seems that this one is the better one for today....

i am looking onto this more as an infrastructure guy and not on the feeling or favor site.. nor the player site..

maybe as i said overall.. i just wish a clean UI.. with nothing more than the essential stuff

[unborn smelt]

I know how youre looking at it - but an issue i see is that it can potentially kill off small regions

As those regions will be limited to the most unfair and/or most empty matches

Because the given playerbase is so small

Which is why i think a bit of freedom is good.

[rocky orchid]

not again this argument please.. by the love of god..

with the "empty matches" there is also a real easy solution on that

[rocky orchid]

freedom? we need better player experience overall 🙂

[hot vigil]

I agree here.
Bad experiences can make players quit too.

[rocky orchid]

can? WILL! 😄

[unborn smelt]

I for example think a very soft regionlock would make sense.

Give players some leeway say you're in the EU and the two closest others are NA and RU - so you allow them to queue there too but lock the worst options like SA, OCE and Asia

[rocky orchid]

i was more than once near to delete the game forever because i desynced or stuttered (compound change) into the enemy

[unborn smelt]

Which wouldnt change with that at all

You desyncing is not a far away players fault

[rocky orchid]

yeah.. i really dont want to have this EU, RU, NA server discussion.. people just dont have to see where they are playing.. JUST THE BEST for them.. and in duo/trio, like i said.. the server knows best where you have the best game experience

[rocky orchid]

yeah i know.. because it is in the cryengine and the gamecode itself.. but i wanted to point something out there

[unborn smelt]

Well i tend to disagree.

Hunt has some fixing to do in terms of desync.
But i dont think loking people to servers without any choice is the objectively right thing to do.

[rocky orchid]

but lets take this "waiting for other players" stuff as perfect exampe.. i am waiting since a couple of updates often 2-5 Minutes (!!!) before the game starts and everyone is loaded in?! Why i have to wait that long? Why? because some (sorry!) douchebag from russia or asia with awful ping decided .. yeah lets go.. EU servers seems fine to me..

[unborn smelt]

Is ot tho?

Ping is delay and 800 is the max

[native lodge]

playing with high ping sucks, but if someone wants to play with it so they can play with friends than I'm fine with that

[unborn smelt]

So the wait time is likely sombody woth a machine taking ages to load

[rocky orchid]

than this seems another issues.. i often load in the map and than waiting sometimes to a minute or two before even the "waiting for other players" appears..

[unborn smelt]

Not their ping

[native lodge]

yeah thats deff not a ping issue

[rocky orchid]

should that be my problem or of the other 10 players? i gues not

[rocky orchid]

it could be... not might be

[unborn smelt]

But region or ping lock wont help

Because its not a ping issue...

[rocky orchid]

you are mixing up things here

[native lodge]

region lock or ping lock would do more harm than good imo

locking people from playing with their friends, is a reason for people to leave a game

and locking people into playing dead servers

[rocky orchid]

i never talked about locking people or deny to play with their friends

[unborn smelt]

None of the issues described are ping issues as far as i can tell

[native lodge]

alright what do you want?

[unborn smelt]

There are some, like dying "behind" cover. While not unfair it is detrimental to the game experience because sombody else plays high ping

This stuff is ultimately fair but frustrating

And a very soft regionlock could change that - if all regions are populated enough to not cause much harm

[rocky orchid]

to make it simple as possible.. a clean UI and therefore a better and faster and organized game.. i could do a "visio" how i would like to have the menu, but i dont know if anyone could interprete this

[native lodge]

wait so what does lobby UI have to do with ping?

like I would like UI improvements too

[unborn smelt]

But desync, long loading times, hits supposedly not registering are not ping issues if the system works as intended, what it does afaik

[unborn smelt]

You dont need a server button if you cant select yourself

[native lodge]

so it would pick the lowest ping is my guess?

[rocky orchid]

but everything the server has work with (higher ping, etc.) is bad for the server and its performance.. which than can results in weird behavior like hit reg or these things if the server is not performant

[rocky orchid]

that is what i said

i will do some games now guys.. cya

[native lodge]

if so its not actually helping anything since, playing with international friends, you want to pick the lowest ping anyway

[unborn smelt]

Well have good games

I'd love to see the devs stats on how many people actually play deliberately out of region...

I dont think the amount of people claiming ping abuse and people playing out of region go well together.

[native lodge]

yeah I would agree

have played on EU servers from NA

the ping is in no way helpful to me

[hot vigil]

I have a couple of NA friends I play with from time to time. But only on the East servers, BC otherwise the ping would be insufferable

[native lodge]

yeah I have heard a lot about ping abuse, but never once have I heard someone actually claim that having high ping is fun or helpful

when they actually playing with high ping

[vague patio]

playing with highh ping is ass

its super confusing

[unborn smelt]

I mean i do have to say high ping does worsen the experience of others too.

But by how much and what is appropriate to do to alleviate that has to be carefully checked

[vague patio]

honestly, i wonder how peopleactually tell if someone evenping abusing/having high ping. Is it just feeling, checkingprofil and seeing "russian or chinese" name or is there actually someting that you can see ingame

[hot vigil]

As an European playing with an Russian friend, whenever we encounter a Russian name, I always get some hilarious trivia.

[native lodge]

I have profile comment accusing me of ping abusing... I don't play outside my region, have max ping of 40

[hot vigil]

I also have exactly one comment about me cheating. I treasure it everyday.

[unborn smelt]

Yes i think thats also a rather common issue

[native lodge]

when somebody has china or Russia listed in their profile, but they Speak Outstanding English with perfect American Accents

had that happen a few times

[unborn smelt]

Yeah people are trolls

I know a few that did it for shits and giggles

[vague patio]

literalyhalf ofmy frindlist had one day russian names

i guess it was some group effort for something

[native lodge]

yeah its a well know trolling method

because people get unreasonably mad at people from different regions

[neat fiber]

@fiery ocean Are you anti SBMM? Or anti KDAR?

[feral oriole]

The player base isn’t big enough to “improve” skill based matchmaking. It’s a take it or leave it thing.

[fiery ocean]

@neat fiber What does it mean?

[neat fiber]

SBMM= Skill based match making

KDR or KDAR= Kill death ratio

@fiery ocean

[fiery ocean]

anti KDA, rank should be deleted

[neat fiber]

So you're still fine with SBMM?

[fiery ocean]

i dont care, i dont use this. I want asap match

[neat fiber]

So you're anti SBMM

[errant meadow]

Little late of a response, but same thing happened to me. When people do this I literally never have any clue what they’re talking about

I should check last match more I guess

[fiery ocean]

@neat fiber Does it change anything?

[neat fiber]

Yes

SBMM makes it so people can have more fair games instead of fighting people that are much better or much worse than them

[fiery ocean]

Any 2head hunter can kill "high skilled" hunter, random headshots are real 🙂

[neat fiber]

Yeah they CAN that doesn't make it likely

[fiery ocean]

really often much more effective than aiming

[neat fiber]

SBMM is used in essentially all multiplayer games to make it so people don't get nearly as unfair games

[fiery ocean]

W/e, im beta player and top hunter worldwide and my experience is getting worse and worse month after month. The most annoying is when game cheat on me when my shots doesnt hit target/head

[neat fiber]

That has nothing to do with SBMM...

[ruby magnet]

Sbmm is a system that half works and half doesn't. It works in the sense that pure new people are protected from the killer whales. At that it works.

Where it falls apart is the sheer speed you climb the MMR ladder. It's blazingly fast. Wipe a 5 star trio as a 3 star? Consider yourself immediatly promoted

[neat fiber]

Movement is decently fluent so that's fair

[ruby magnet]

The system works but with the wild swings of increasing your mmr on a successful round you can suddenly get a huge spike in the competitions skill without clearly understanding what happened.

[neat fiber]

I personally haven't had that issue but can definitely understand how someone could have it

[hot vigil]

Eyup, yesterday I had 2 hours of me getting absolutely creamed on by 3/4 stars while I was 5 star, so I dropped down to 4. Then I had one game where I killed three 5 stars and I was instantly 5 star again.

[errant meadow]

Every single time me and my friend have a successful game we climb up a half star basically but it takes three bad games for us to finally go back down, it gets us stuck with try hard over and over and makes the loop not super fun

[ruby magnet]

Today alone I swung from 5 star down to 3 star and back up to 5 again. In trios mind you

[neat fiber]

Are you doing solo trios?

[fiery ocean]

@neat fiber Still KDA rank should be deleted bcs its useless and dumb

[errant meadow]

That’s true

[ruby magnet]

As trio

[neat fiber]

Literally not but ok

[ruby magnet]

Kda are bragging rights. That's about it

And bragging isn't even a right so...

[lethal silo]

hey I want to ask now after a day I have posted a suggestion to add high velocity and Spitzer to some more guns what is your thinking and reasoning for why some weapons should have and should not have high velocity ammo and Spitzer

[neat fiber]

Unless you’re talking about the stats themselves which then yeah they just kind of exist

[errant meadow]

All top KDA on the leaderboard are that days hackers basically

[neat fiber]

I personally like having my track record but can understand why people don’t

[fiery ocean]

Yes, stats are useless and rank should be deleted

[neat fiber]

Ok but by rank do you mean MMR because that would be wrong

[hot vigil]

Chill satan, you want to make a great gun even better 😂

[errant meadow]

I saw sparks with high velocity and that’s just hell

[neat fiber]

Agreed

[lethal silo]

response if you have the reasoning or thinking why a weapons should not have or have Spitzer or high velocity

[neat fiber]

Honestly spritzer in general always sounds wack

[ruby magnet]

Well... you suggested HV on Springfields and Spitzer on martin
Both of which are filled nices by the centennial although on the martini it's a penetration difference.

• HV on the Springfield makes it a more potent sniper... then why no centennial sniper if the MV is that important?
• Spitzer on the martini, why not play a mosin sniper Spitzer then? I'm not against it but besides having it swap ammo types it really doesn't do anything the other guns don't so already

[neat fiber]

I am very against spritzer Martini actually because it kind of erases the point of the low velocity

[ruby magnet]

But if it's pointless... then why be bothered about it? Why get worked up about something that has nothing to do with the game you player other than other people trying to brag? Which... ok fam... nice flex... I guess?

[lethal silo]

it is not about replacing a weapon it's about spreading ammo types to other weapons where they could work or make that weapon better for a hire price without tempering with the base weapon

[ruby magnet]

Well to be fair... low velocity is never an actual strength... the lower the worse in practical terms

[hot vigil]

Ah sorry, I thought you were asking for Spitzer on Sparks, sorry I misread :)
But yeah, the less Spitzer/High Velo in the game the better imo.
Usually they are just "strictly better" ammo.

Ofc there is cases where you don't pick them, but for most bolt action or single fire rifles it is just a straight upgrade.

[ruby magnet]

But what would the point be of adding them to those specific weapons other than outright making their MV which is the downside to the guns... better.

[hot vigil]

∆this∆

[neat fiber]

It’s a part of the guns characteristics though and I personally find those characteristics extremely important so that each gun is unique

[ruby magnet]

It's compensating for a weakness with the only drawback being that it's slightly harder to resupply.

[hot vigil]

High Velocity on Romero when?!

[lethal silo]

the Mere idea simply adding Spitzer or high velocity to a weapon makes other weapons bad or unusable is appalling it is not how the game works

[neat fiber]

It defeats the purpose of those weapons though

[ruby magnet]

Ah you mean as cementing it's identity. Well yes then I agree and refer to my earlier posts. Giving it an ammo type to compensate for its 'characteristic/ low MV' isn't a great motivator to add its implementation

[neat fiber]

They are supposed to be weaker and lower velocity to their counterparts

[neat fiber]

👍

[ruby magnet]

I'm confused with what you're trying to say here. Do you mean the concept of adding Spitzer to purposefully make other guns bad?

[lethal silo]

I don't see why not the Centennial should not have have high velocity or Spitzer I just didn't suggest it because I suggested it on the 3 weapons I want more ammo types on at the moment

[hot vigil]

Eyup, also why would you run a 122$ Martini Henry with 200$ Spitzer, just to deal less damage than a 130$ Sparks?

[ruby magnet]

High velocity dragons breath would be a wet dream

[lethal silo]

that is why I said it would not have a big impact only be nice on it if you're going for the marksman

[neat fiber]

LOL

[lethal silo]

the same way explosive ammo on it could sometimes be nice to have and sometimes it's a pain to have

[hot vigil]

Guess it would be a slightly cheaper single fire Lebel marksman. But at that point, I'd just go for the Lebel.

[ruby magnet]

True but why add an ammo type that outright buffs the department it's supposed to be weaker in at the cost of nothing?

[lethal silo]

adding high velocity to a weapon it's not something that makes the weapon better it simply makes it so we can play different play styles with that weapon

[ruby magnet]

I like the exercise to try think of the potential drawback something has of implementing a certain ammo type on the gun

[hot vigil]

And still, Sparks Sniper is just 199$ I know, I also prefer the marksman scope. But if you wanna go for the high velo sniper plan, I feel Sparks Sniper is better.

[ruby magnet]

Like what would the Springfield lose by gaining HV ammo?

Besides harder to resupply and being special ammo

[errant meadow]

Winfield Pennyshot

[neat fiber]

1 bullet 5 penny shards

[lethal silo]

it's not the point what I can get from the two of you is you only played the best weapon and you don't care about anything else meaning you're just try harder and you disgust me

[ruby magnet]

And what style would that be? Be a more of a sniper on an already sniper rifle?

[hot vigil]

I mean, I usually play Romero hatchet. But sure just judge people and be rude.

[ruby magnet]

Thank you for having such a shallow opinion of us, but I like playing the Springfield and martini just fine as they are.

[neat fiber]

I have made my argument quite clear that it has to do with what place in the meta the gun has and why putting HV on a low velocity alternate defeats the purpose of it being a low velocity alternate

[errant meadow]

You guys are try hard, I’m just asking to spread the usage of try hard ammunition to guns that don’t really need it

[ruby magnet]

And accept their drawbacks as they come

[neat fiber]

👀

[hot vigil]

Also making decent guns better makes the less decent guns worse. So it can further scewer the balance.

[ruby magnet]

I'm not saying Springfield and martini Henry don't NEED them. But there's not a good side grade to HV

I dont like HV, because there is no drawback to it

Literally none.

[neat fiber]

Yeah HV is weird

[hot vigil]

Mhm, personally think HV on Vetterli was a mistake.

Even tho Medium Ammo doesn't have a lot going for it.

But it was kinda niche thing compact could do. And it could matter a little on the more rapid firing weapons.

[lethal silo]

that is not called being rude what the two of you were doing is rude I'm asking to have an argument and discussion but the only argument the two of you can bring up is this weapon cannot have this because then this weapon is better than this weapon and then I will only use this so I don't want it that's not an argument that is simply you being an try hard

[errant meadow]

Idk I think the scottsfield is a pretty good weapon that ups medium ammo

[neat fiber]

The best thing I can think of it being on is Winnie since the velocity is depressingly low for ranged shots lol but even then it’s weird because at a distance the damage output isn’t worth it

[ruby magnet]

I am having the argument and you don't give any counter argument to debunk our statements

[lethal silo]

I don't even use Spitzer or special ammo I just want it on a weapon for the sake of having it and then maybe I will use it more often

[neat fiber]

“For the sake of having it” this is exactly what we take issue with

[ruby magnet]

I want starshell on the crown and king... just for the sake of having it

[neat fiber]

YO HOLD UP

THATS LEGIT

[hot vigil]

I feel balance is very important to gauge in gamedesign. Just adding stuff without thinking how it impact the overall game balance and environment can lead to some bad outcomes.
That is why I'm really focused on what it adds and what it takes away from the current ecosystem.

[errant meadow]

Flare mortar basically

[ruby magnet]

Is it balanced? Oh hell yes

Is it fun? Absolutely

Will it be played? Only for the memers

[errant meadow]

Rain fire

[neat fiber]

Well hold on

Hitting someone with it that may times would burn them good

Might have some value

[lethal silo]

the argument I'm looking for is how would you balance Spitzer and high velocity on these 3 weapons or how do you guys think it would work how much would it cost would it be worth it for the developers to implement it and so on those arguments and discussions

[neat fiber]

And we think it shouldn’t be there in the first place

[lethal silo]

then you don't have a say at all in any of this discussion

[errant meadow]

Aren’t custom Ammo kind of base stats that apply across guns?

Idk the specifics of it I just use slugs when I feel like it to be honest

I wish to be educated

[hot vigil]

Don't believe it can be balanced in a meaningful way that adds an interesting choice for a player other than "rich privileged" to get a better version of the base weapon.

[neat fiber]

I think it’s valid to say that we believe it’s useless so there is no reason to go down this hypothetical

[ruby magnet]

I respect your opinion om wanting Spitzer or HV on guns that are arguably underplayed.
But you openly ask for a discussion about its implementation and ask for our opinions.
Then we give our opinions saying its an idea, but don't see much use implementing it because it takes away a weakness of a gun (again... its not the gun at fault here. It's the ammo type sugested)
You not agreeing with our opinions is fine, but don't suddenly start name-calling is because we didn't conform to your idea.
And opinion you OPENLY ASKED FOR.

[hot vigil]

∆this∆

[errant meadow]

WHOA

Triangles

[feral oriole]

The Springfield sparks martini balance is already pretty delicate, adding ammo that straight up upgrades one of them would just make one the only logical choice in the single shot niche.

[ruby magnet]

How would I balance MV and Spitzer on those specific guns? I can only think of 1 way... extremely limiting the ammo provided like explosive does

[neat fiber]

And even then it just sounds dumb and useless

[lethal silo]

I can see why high velocity don't work on the Sparks and that was something another guy suggested for me to also suggest together with the idea high velocity on the Springfield

[hot vigil]

Tho I am ready to fite anyone that don't think that the Vetterli and Centennial should trade fire rate BC it makes absolutely no sense a bolt action fires faster than a lever action.

[neat fiber]

Agreed

Always thought it was weird but like in a vacuum I like both of their fire rates

So it’s weird

[ruby magnet]

I'm fine with a Springfield having like 680 MV (480+200 from Hv), but who will ever run base Springfield ammo then? There's little to no drawback currently to HV. It's cheap, it's strong, it's fast.

[hot vigil]

Also between those two guns, the centennial only have the muzz going for it. I wish it had some tighter hip fire, just for ther levering memers (especially after the crouch nerf).

[ruby magnet]

Id be fine with the levering spread if the cycle rate wasn't like trying to run a rusted shut receiver.

[neat fiber]

Yeah I always found it funny that you could “lever” with it but it’s practically worthless lol

[lethal silo]

the only idea I originally wanted to suggest was adding Spitzer to the Martini-Henry IC1 because that way we have a single shot weapon which is able to use it this weapon will be unlocked early on so you could focus on using Martini-Henry or switch to the Sparks when you got that

[neat fiber]

That makes the Martini useless after the Sparks though and I think that is a terrible way to think about the weapons in Hunt

[hot vigil]

I've killed two people with Cen'levering, in the same match! It was an enemy and my friend who stood near him.

[neat fiber]

SODJDJDEKEKSJEJESIDJDJ BEAUTIFUL

[ruby magnet]

Agreed Spitzer on the martini Henry is an option. But do you know why I'm ok with it? It's a severe loss in damage it has giving it a clear cut difference over its base ammo

[neat fiber]

Each gun should have unique traits and value so that it’s always able to be a valid option

[ruby magnet]

Does the martini need it? No, but thats OK. The martini is more of a mid range powerhouse rifle rather than a dedicated marksman rifle. Spitzer is ok, because it loses damage

[lethal silo]

why do you think it's useless it's one of my favourite weapons and I will trade a 1000 Sparks LRR for 1 Martini-Henry

[ruby magnet]

HV is BAD!! BADBADBAD

[neat fiber]

If it dropped down to like 100 I think I could be ok with it still wouldn’t love it

[ruby magnet]

Spitzer is a good ammo type by design.

[hot vigil]

I sometimes do stupid self imposed challenges like that, also spent like... 6 hours trying to "Double Dragon" an enemy aka double LeMat dragonbreath. I pulled it off, but it was before Dragonbreath could OHK, so I had to do some follow-up shooting.

[ruby magnet]

HV downright isn't. And I'm on the same side with SLUGS.

[neat fiber]

You’re ignoring what I’m saying at this point so I’m done with this conversation happy hunting

[neat fiber]

Nice

[lethal silo]

I will be sure to shoot you in the bayou with my Trusty and most reliable weapon in the game Martini-Henry IC1

[hot vigil]

Well, yeah, but now they can OHK, soooo.... I feel I should try to do it again, you know, for real this time.

[neat fiber]

I support this I want to see video evidence my DMs are open whenever you pull it off

[hot vigil]

Deal!

[neat fiber]

:3

[errant meadow]

I’m no gameplay expert but I enjoy slugs

please don’t bully me

[neat fiber]

Slugs are good I think their harsh low limb damage and just the aspect of being a single projectile instead of a cone makes them good enough

[lethal silo]

what is I feel like it's a waste of time trying to speak with people that don't know how to play a game accept playing the best loadout I bet all of you are using only Sparks LRR Mosin-Nagant M1891 and Crown & King Auto-5

[hot vigil]

As someone who never seem to be able to kill people with slugs I hate them, BC I always get one shotted at 10m distance by slug 😂

[neat fiber]

Could they be a little bit more range nerfed maybe but other than that I’m good

[errant meadow]

The arm shots suck, but it makes body and head shots feel even better

[neat fiber]

Indeed

[hot vigil]

Naw, fav gun in the game is Martini Henry, only gun I have legendary skins for every variation.

[errant meadow]

I’ve funnily enough, never died to slugs

only gotten kills with it so it’s kind of opposite in my book

[vague patio]

oh boy, aspecial ammo discussion

[hot vigil]

Slugs is the same issue that I have with Spitzer, I don't wanna spent like 200$ when I can get P E N N Y S H O T

[errant meadow]

It was a lot worse earlier lol

[lethal silo]

sure like I believe you after this conversation

[neat fiber]

PENNY IS BASED AS HELL I SUPPORT

[feral oriole]

“In order to make try hards not use try hard weapons we need to make a weapon equally try hard because it’s my favorite gun” ???

[errant meadow]

I wanna get good withy penny shot

[vague patio]

wasnt a comment on thediscussion climate

im just

[errant meadow]

The true mister crabs shotgun boy

[vague patio]

of a different opinion on specialammo then devs

[neat fiber]

I personally use Penny in C&K and Winnie T and slug in Specter and DB

Romero gets a side of fire

[hot vigil]

I mean... What else can I say? If you refuse to have good faith, then that sound like a you problem

[vague patio]

based on them neverremoving anything, id tendto not state my opinion on slugs

[errant meadow]

Romero Is fun with buckshot/dragons

[neat fiber]

Good for AI that’s why I bring the fire

[lethal silo]

you think I want to go double Spitzer since you're calling it try hard Spitzer is not try hard I think it's one of the worst types unless you have a scope together with high velocity

[errant meadow]

Especially when you can sneak up on someone and just spontaneously set them on fire

I did it once and it is set in my brain as the best feeling

[neat fiber]

I should try to PvP with dragons breath I just genuinely haven’t because it feels not worth it

[hot vigil]

I am just grateful that slugs are 200$ otherwise I would have stronger opinion about them 😂

[feral oriole]

Spitzer is not one of the worst types lol, it turns iron sight long ammo weapons into hit scan at mid range.

[errant meadow]

I once kept bringing in spectre with db for the pure spectacle of having what equals a flamethrower

[neat fiber]

That’s completely fair

[errant meadow]

I lost every fight but it was funny

[neat fiber]

The way I wish I could live

[hot vigil]

Levering on the terminus is faster fire rate, if you want the true flamethrower experience ;)

[errant meadow]

I am not good at this game, I should specify that

I just do dumb things

[vague patio]

i love flechette

[hot vigil]

Sounds like you are winner to me

[neat fiber]

I focus too much on trying to be good and don’t do dumb things

The few times I have though it can be insanely rewarding

[vague patio]

problem, sometimes yoiu have to be good to do dumb things

[ruby magnet]

I dont understand why you calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a try hard and just assume the all run long ammo, c&k and uppercut?

[errant meadow]

My current goal is to unlock everything and settle nicely at 3 prestige then continue to do dumb shit using QP as a money source

[neat fiber]

C&K Upper is a classic from the good ol days

[lethal silo]

and what happens if you weapon sway at the moment you fire or the target moves the moment you fire then you miss together with normal ammo

[neat fiber]

I’m trying to get prestige 100 but hate myself so I never retire hunters and also vibe at 100 bloodline each prestige

Currently 27 I think

[hot vigil]

Mosin + Uppercut Hunter: Nooooo you can't just run in a slap people in melee, that ain't what hunt is about!
Me with a 5$ Axe: Heh, axe goes brrrrrrrr!

[neat fiber]

Been playing since June of release so I don’t think I’ll make it lol

[feral oriole]

What you’re talking about actually does not matter in the slightest, what you’re suggesting is that random chance somehow makes insane bullet velocity bad.

[vague patio]

imtrying to get 100one day, but rn imtrying to get to33. rn at the end of 29

[neat fiber]

AXE GO BRRRRRR

[hot vigil]

That is my earliest memory of me learning to not care about losing in hunt, I had a crazy losing streak, so I just went "fuck it, I just axe now!" and never had I murder that many Hunters.

Ah yes, the first 100h in Hunt sure is magical...

[errant meadow]

Good luck soldier

[neat fiber]

God I wish I could remember them better

[lethal silo]

this is what I'm talking about when I call you a try hard when you can't see the reason for something to be added unless it brings something completely new because why should it be in the game when we already have the Mosin-Nagant M1891

[neat fiber]

We want a story time of my earliest Hunt memory?

[hot vigil]

Yes!

[vague patio]

it was a headshot

[neat fiber]

Ok for those who didn’t play this long ago YEARS ago I believe the first way they handled new hunters entering the game was that you were sanctioned off from the rest of the player base until you hit a certain level

I was one of those

Playing against only other new people I SHREDED like over 1KD I thought everyone in there was dumb

First game I play with the rest of the player base

I get head shot fanned by a CALDWELL CHAIN PISTOL from the TOP of the healing waters tower to the FRONT ENTRANCE of the compound

That’s when I knew I needed to take Hunt much more seriously. That experience scared the absolute hell out of me.

[vague patio]

i was right

[hot vigil]

Slapped the fuck back in line.

[neat fiber]

GENUINELY

I have never experienced a fan like that since and I fear my day of judgment is just around the corner

[errant meadow]

Me and my friend when we first played the game, died to a leech man thinking it was the butcher. This was like, a week after the game came out too we had both been following it for a little bit

[ruby magnet]

Agreed. You've got a point there. But you lose the point by saying someone doesn't know how to play the game when I can easily give you examples of guns that achieve the exact same as a HV Springfield and a Spitzer martini ON BASE AMMO that is NOT the mosin.

I'm not against spicing things up, but special ammo was designed with SIDEGRADES in mind. Care to tell me what SIDEGRADE there is UNIQUELY to HV?

Again (3rd time now) I'm not against Spitzer. I'm against high velocity special ammo

[neat fiber]

LOL NICE

I would’ve had the game right when it came out but I didn’t have a good enough PC

[ruby magnet]

So stop with the damn name calling.

[neat fiber]

So I had to wait for like 5-6 months

[hot vigil]

Can't remember a humbling experience, but I remember my very first online match back during Early Access release, I got into a match with a random and I said "H-hello sir, I'm new, please be nice" and with the deepest, smoothes and bassiest voice he responds with "That's cool, just follow my lead" and we had a great match, killing another team, getting the bounty and extracting.

[neat fiber]

You should’ve gotten his number holy crap

Give em a good smooch

[hot vigil]

I was very seduced indeed, but alas, he is a just a warm memory in my heart 👊😔

[neat fiber]

Dang

This is truly the saddest thing to ever happen

God back then we had solo games that was the life

[hot vigil]

Next early access experience I remember was when I thought that the Romero was hunting shotgun akin to real life fowl hunting and a whole match was so fucking frustrated that I hit people from a distance, but they just didn't fucking die.

[neat fiber]

Like happy they aren’t there to divide the player base now but if Hunt ever truly blows up I really want solo v solo back

[ruby magnet]

Lol first one to crouch walk near the boss lair dies.

[neat fiber]

The Romero never ceases to surprise me range wise

[hot vigil]

Crytek, PLS give us fowl game shells, 50m low dmg, heavy bleed.

[neat fiber]

Oh my God old buckshot bleeding

So over powered

So magical tears up

I would LOVE Hunt to do a legacy event where they go through every content and major balancing patch

[hot vigil]

Loved when the Saber was so good, that the meta turned into Saber and Shotguns, BC shotguns were the only counter to saber.

[errant meadow]

Me and my friend had shit computers too but we still played despite, it took a year or so for us to play again

And then we used our gains from training to buy op skins and didn’t learn anything

[hot vigil]

No dark sight

[neat fiber]

I fell in love with the game so hard that even though it mostly ran 30 FPS I played it to DEATH

[neat fiber]

TWO FULL LENTGH GUNS WITH QUARTERMASTER

[ruby magnet]

Suppose that's that.

[errant meadow]

Excuse me what with quartermaster

[neat fiber]

OH YEAH

[ruby magnet]

Either that's extreeeeeemely old or never was a thing

[hot vigil]

I legit still think the game was better without scopes!

[neat fiber]

STUPIDLY OLD BUILD

[native lodge]

it was a thing

[neat fiber]

Honestly fair

[ruby magnet]

I need a damn wiki patch notes dive/ bribe the dev archives to fact check that one.

[neat fiber]

Lol

[native lodge]

avto and mosin was possible at one time

and it was the old avto too

[neat fiber]

OLD AVTO

OH MY GOD

[native lodge]

which was way better than it is now

[ruby magnet]

Because I only remember a sliver of that actually having been a thing.

[neat fiber]

THAT SIGHT

[hot vigil]

The Hunt Wiki is so awfully lacking that I'm considering redoing all of it... But man, that is a big task.

[ruby magnet]

Lol back when guns actually had sway and the wiggle was god tier.

[neat fiber]

I genuinely would join in that

Ok but we can all agree the old UI SLAPPED

[hot vigil]

TWO BULLET BURST! AMMO IN RESERVE!

[ruby magnet]

Back when the dolch was medium ammo and people ran the vett just to have more dolch ammo

[neat fiber]

LEGIT I ACCIDENTALLY PLAYED INTO THAT META HAVING NO CLUE IT WAS THE META

[hot vigil]

No dualies 😌

[neat fiber]

I just loved the Vert so I went “oh nice semi auto”

[errant meadow]

Didn’t shotguns bleed way back when?

[neat fiber]

YEP

JUST AS OP AS IT SOUNDS

[hot vigil]

Also remember when the Machete actually had some use?

[errant meadow]

Flechette only mode

[ruby magnet]

The uppercut being DIRT cheap and having the reload speed of a regular cco

[neat fiber]

Literally take buckshot now and add varied bleeding

[neat fiber]

OH MY GOD I ALWAYS FORGET THE RELOAD

No immolator

No duck

No water devil

[errant meadow]

The more talk is about this, the more I wanna go back for just a day

[neat fiber]

We were the water devils

[hot vigil]

Also upper had less sway and recoil! And also Quick swapping!

[neat fiber]

QUICK SWAP MOMENT

[ruby magnet]

Cookie cutter winnieC and machete man. Suddenly find a fancy saber user. The wiggle A-D-A-D battles were legendary

[errant meadow]

Like an April fools event where they say “happy febuary 1st 2018”

[native lodge]

crouch spam

[hot vigil]

The jump/crouch freedom!!!

[neat fiber]

This is making me so genuinely happy

I am smiling ear to ear

God I miss old Hunt even with all of its problems

[errant meadow]

God I was there for crouch spam

I miss it dearly

The jumpy spinny while getting shot at was really fun

[neat fiber]

I think basically 98% of updates have been for the good

[ruby magnet]

I am glad I dodged the quickswap meta... from what I've seen that shit was bullshit. Sure it was skilled... but it was an exploit turning the sparks into a recoilless rifle

[neat fiber]

It was legendary

[errant meadow]

My friend did quickswap and still wishes for it back

[neat fiber]

Like definitely should not exist but it was worth it

[native lodge]

oops

wrong reply

[neat fiber]

Lol

[native lodge]

I don't but it was funny to watch people miss you over an over, while you watch the game happen through a blur of rapid movement

[neat fiber]

You all have genuinely made my day

[hot vigil]

Also loved the patch where Crytek said: "So we heard people complaining about the semi-auto nature of the Dolch and C&K as they feel the slow firing nature of the game is what makes Hunt special, so therefore we gonna add another semi-auto shotgun and pistol!"
Still fucking boggles my mind till this day.

[native lodge]

oh yeah QS was the kinda BS thats fun for a little while

[neat fiber]

HONESTLY

[ruby magnet]

Which semi auto shotgun was that?

[neat fiber]

Wait another semi auto shotty? Am I forgetting something…

[hot vigil]

And the fun thing is that Bornheim and Specter is the balanced versions of Dolch and C&K.

[ruby magnet]

[hot vigil]

It is the Specter, I know pump action, but it was still "fast firing".

[errant meadow]

And it’s still the second best shotgun maybe third

[neat fiber]

Oh ok

Terminus with levering and penny is honestly GOD TIER

[ruby magnet]

Really? Wasn't the specter already a thing when they had the rival already?

[hot vigil]

Heck, the Bornheim could need a buff, like why does the Bornheim have the same fucking amount of ammo as a Mosin??

[neat fiber]

I mean I remember the specter always being there but also have bad memory

[ruby magnet]

Well on that topic.. I really love the terminus, but I think we can all agree it's probably one of the bottom tier shotguns (not talking about the handcannons)

[neat fiber]

The ammo shortage has always been weird when most guns have a surplus

YO PRE 1.0 AMMO POOLS

GOD I WISH WE KEPT THAT

[pallid idol]

Kinda
Without levering it's worst than a specter
With it it's an off-brand auto5

[hot vigil]

I mean, yes, but you didn't consider that my emotions tells me that I love the Terminus, so that automatically makes it the best shotgun.

[neat fiber]

But that lever plus penny is again GOD TIER

[ruby magnet]

Soo.... without just straightup boosting the terminus above CK levels... what would it need to feel more comfortable

[native lodge]

I dunno I don't use shotguns outside of 10m, the difference between them aren't that huge imo

when you play them like I do

[neat fiber]

Honestly I think the terminus is in a good place

It fits a specific niche and does so nicely

[ruby magnet]

I think it's quality of life improvements the terminus needs to become smooth. Right now it's... maybe a smidge overpriced?

[neat fiber]

I can grant you that

[ruby magnet]

Although I must admit running a centennial with quartermastered terminus HC for those close corner runners is good fun.

[neat fiber]

Terminus slugs in a big with penny in a hand cannon that sound like fun

[ruby magnet]

They think you run a centennial so no close range weapon and the whip out that little devil and just HAMMER them into the dirt.

[neat fiber]

BONK

[ruby magnet]

Turned a phantom into a literal phantom yesterday

[hot vigil]

Boost the firing speed a little, same logic that lever action rifles tend to be faster shooting.
Rn we have:
Terminus: 36rpm
Specter: 40rpm
C&K: 100rpm
I would put the Terminus rpm above Specter, maybe shave the effective range down to 10m (from 11m), giving the Specter the 12m long barrel edge.

[neat fiber]

Sounds legit honestly

[ruby magnet]

I do notice the handcannon fires quicker than the full-size does. So I think the full-size could be bumped towards that speed

[neat fiber]

Only thing is DB already has the 10m I think so that feels weird

Wait am I remembering that wrong

[hot vigil]

Also everyday Crytek doesn't give me the option to buy a "random shells" ammo for my semi-auto shotguns, I will firmly believe they are cowards.

[ruby magnet]

I dont want to be that guy, but isn't the terminus IRL loaded in larger guage buckshot? So should be bit more accurate? Or is that not how that works?

[neat fiber]

That sounds legit

[neat fiber]

It is larger gauge

[hot vigil]

Is my next shot a slug? Maybe starshot? Dragonbreath?!? Nobody knows, but it will be one hell of a ride!

[neat fiber]

NEXT STOP RANDOMIZED LOADOUTS

[ruby magnet]

Lol terminus with starshell

You want some flare?? Have some moooooore!!!

[neat fiber]

Randomized loadout options make everything better no matter the game

[hot vigil]

Imagine going full levering terminus, hitting them with a penny shot, then the follow up is a flare.

[neat fiber]

The dream

[ruby magnet]

That's taking "throwing everything at them but the kitchen sink" quite literall

Slug, DB, starshell, CONFETTI!, flech- wait was that confetti?

[neat fiber]

Sayings are so strange

[hot vigil]

Also you have no idea how unreasonable mad I got when I discovered the fact that every 12 gauge shots in this game only have 11 pellets.

[neat fiber]

YES SPECIAL AMMO FOR RANDOMIZED THINGS

ONLY AVAILABLE THROUGH BEING RANDOM

[hot vigil]

The shop icon is just bucket with random shells in it.

[ruby magnet]

The changer of ways approves of this notion

[neat fiber]

But they have to be quirky not powerful so it’s not unfair

[hot vigil]

Naw, I'm willing to be a high roller for some inferno level dragonbreath!

[ruby magnet]

I feel with the complete rage around DW rng just having them randomized is entirely balanced on its own

[neat fiber]

…DW?

[ruby magnet]

Dualwield

[neat fiber]

GOT IT

Sorry am dumb

[ruby magnet]

[neat fiber]

I honestly don’t think DW is in a bad place

[hot vigil]

Difference is that DW can headshot at 50m.
Shotguns can't.

[neat fiber]

Like it sucks when you’re on the receiving end and all but at least in my experience it never feels like it’s overstepping it’s bounds

[hot vigil]

I still hate em. But they are more tolerable, mainly BC I now see less :b

[neat fiber]

I really don’t like the crouch change because I feel it takes something away from the game

[ruby magnet]

Wasn't talking about the headshot capability just the fact it's random spread and with random shotgun ammo types also random random spread

Honestly most people raging at DW now are those who got caught out trying to run from building to building running right into them without a shred of cover

[neat fiber]

Lol

[ruby magnet]

I can achieve the same result with levering flechette terminus

[neat fiber]

Always wanted to test that but penny shot is just too good

ALSO PENNYSHOT SHOOTS OUT PHYSICAL PENNIES THAT BOUNCE OFF OF THINGS

When I tell you my autism was over flowingly happy that day you better believe it

[hot vigil]

I'm kinda okay with it, but I think it was overkill to remove it from levering, feel like it was victim of circumstance.
But at its core, I feel DW is crutch for bad positioning, BC they can pull some magical plays out of nowhere where other weapons not meant for the distance would get punished.

[ruby magnet]

I will admit that dualwielding, while 'ADS', while crouch, while sitting still... was stupidly accurate

[neat fiber]

Fair

[ruby magnet]

That had no business being that tight

[neat fiber]

I understand what you mean

[ruby magnet]

However if you sat still and another enemy saw you... you simply died before you could get your starwarslaserblaster accurate guns to fire on his friend.

[neat fiber]

That’s my issue is that crouching ESPECIALLY in Hunt because of how your head positions makes it NOT a good thing to do in battle so I like the choice of do I sacrifice a higher headshot chance and speed for accuracy or not

Accuracy definitely needed a nerf but that to me just erased a layer of game mechanics

[ruby magnet]

This is mainly because the fire speed of dualwielding is artificially higher than firing a single handed pistol TWICE.
or in better perspective shooting 4 rounds out of dualwielding has your left gun readying faster than trying to shoot a single pistol twice

For some reason dualwielding a pistol allows you to cock the hammer faster that single wielding it

[neat fiber]

They do got SPEED

I do really like the aspect of figuring out the different consistent fire rates for each pair

[hot vigil]

Eyup, I feel like an idiot trying to make Pax being a thing. I mean I understand the logic that "two guns is better than one".
But only single guns that feel viable are rapid fire guns (Spitfire, officer) or powerful hitter (Uppercut). That is cutting A LOT of revolvers from the pool.

[ruby magnet]

Ccp is nothing to sneeze at. But that is augmented to incredible degrees because of FMJ

[neat fiber]

That FMJ makin me a Goddess

[hot vigil]

And also think DW is making Winnie a little worse BC they basically exist in the same playspace. And Winnie's thing is to be fast fire but compact.

[hot vigil]

That is true, making the pax even worse 😭

[ruby magnet]

I think FMJ is a bit too strong for it's current price. And to go full circle about my stances on special ammo:

[neat fiber]

One hell of a segue

[hot vigil]

It was long journey, but we did it

Back at square one.

Collect 200$

[neat fiber]

Top tier intellectualism

[hot vigil]

Jokes on you, I'm stupider than wet cardboard.

[neat fiber]

I bet I’m dumber

[ruby magnet]

HV - badly designed, little to no drawback for straight up improving the gun
Slug - badly designed, give shotgun more range, expensive, but money is not an issue in hunt
FMJ - too cheap for it's power, penetration power gets more value the lower tier the ammo type (compact>long)
Bleed types (all of them) - good design
Incendiary - good design, no pen, fun on barrel kills on unsuspecting foes.
DB - needs MV buff, but otherwise great
Explosive - Meme, console ruined the pc experience, but understandable problem.
Spitzer - good design, but scarcely available
Starshell - good by design, poor in implementation (short duration of flare, sound is still like trying to fire buckshot)

[ruby magnet]

BUT A SEGUE I"M TAKING NONTHELESS!

[livid estuary]

Find Cain

Not even hard to see, if you can't find him let me know, I have a video

[hot vigil]

Damn, it is okay with some self deprecating humor, but that is dragging oneself too far down

[neat fiber]

Fair enough

[neat fiber]

He blendin

[subtle dust]

I have no idea

[livid estuary]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwOy2uDnxx0

Full video here

[ruby magnet]

Like I do all my Cain's... into a red meat slushy

[livid estuary]

This is the most pay to win I've seen in my life

this is not a promo btw, I'm not a streamer or anything, it's just ridiculous the state of that skin

and it's still activated

[quasi sun]

best skin ever

[hot vigil]

Agree on everything. Tho I think starshell should either:

• Last longer
• Have more total ammo
• Make the same sound as a flaregun
• All above

[neat fiber]

Definitely should last longer no question about that

More ammo I also agree with

[ruby magnet]

damnit forgot starshell.. ALRIGHT EDITTING MY POST!

[hot vigil]

Just agree with everything, it is the truth.

[neat fiber]

Ok by same sound what do you mean

[livid estuary]

just give Cain one red skull and that should do it

it's crazy how op that skin is

[quasi sun]

"i know what this western themed game needs, a caveman" - a Crytek employee

[subtle dust]

Make him into a gold digger. The face can stay the same, but give him a hat, a long coat and a backpack full of shiny gold

[hot vigil]

When you fire a starshell, it makes the same noise (maybe a little lower) as a shotgun.
I think it is okay to tune it down to flare gun level.

[hot vigil]

Just give him white tribal paint markings all over.

[neat fiber]

So volume?

[hot vigil]

Yes.

[livid estuary]

he needs some colour, SOME colour, because if it's white, you can't see him against a wall that's greyscale

[neat fiber]

Ok that’s fair agree with all

[ruby magnet]

What I think you mean to say is his skin needs contrast.

[neat fiber]

Ok imma head out nice talking to you all <3

[hot vigil]

Cya, hope to catch you around another time otherwise I'll catch you when I -sigh- completes my doubledragon challenge for second time. . .

[neat fiber]

Genuinely can’t wait to see it

[hot vigil]

Will, if it is very bright white, like the phantom, it should be okay, he can even get an edgy skull facepaint.

[hot vigil]

Me too 😂 Stay safe in the bayou!

[steady vapor]

@odd cosmos what do you have against spyglass showing meter distance on ping? curious

[hot vigil]

Usually, I would say we should refrain from pinging people who votes on suggestions.

[odd cosmos]

Having it as UI would be immersion breaking for me. I like the idea of the spyglass helping in judging distances, but not as a number under your ping.

I would prefer this kind of "thing" on the spyglass so it still would require some effort to know the distance between you and the thing you're looking at (even tho it's not very historically acurate)

[hot vigil]

I am kinda so and so, it doesn't really affect my gameplay, but I also don't feel it add that much to the game. Can a new player truly use the information given for anything constructive?

90% of engagement distance is close enough where muzzvelo means little anyways.

[steady vapor]

There really is no point of reference for learning meter distance so I would be happy with either option, it would still rarely ever get used and never be meta, but the item would have a reason to exist

[hot vigil]

Like, I would be happy to at least one go into a map and gauge distances such as "what is exactly 150m"

BC of darksight range.

[steady vapor]

Exactly, important game mechanics being gatekept a little bit, also just seeing what my optimal range ACTUALLY is on guns seems very reasonable?

[frosty garnet]

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Is there any discussion on making nights darker again? Ps4 is so bright you basically just play like normal.```

[tawny tangle]

Forgot smh

Either way.

[hot vigil]

Agreed, tho think this could just be circumvented with a shooting range.

[frosty garnet]

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[steady vapor]

coincidentally, look at all these terrible ways people are trying to determine meter distance in this thread lol, https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/sx8l3a/what_does_25_meters_look_like_in_the_game/

[frosty garnet]

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Please do something about the Cain skin. It's absurd how camouflaged it is. And it's the reason why it's the most common skin used BY FAR```

[languid cedar]

Because the caldwell rival extended only has a max of 18m and the nitro has pin point shots at like 360m?????? That's a really stupid statement, dude. I suppose we could reduce the range to like 14m so the romerro is more relevant though

[lime tree]

@dire merlin Cain is going to be updated/changed/improved next update, according to the Devs

[rustic quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc6j6PLgShU&ab_channel=Harold420

[unborn smelt]

I think the issue with stadiametric rangefinding on a spyglass is that it'd realistically be way too tedious and too circumstantial to actually see play.

You need a target you know the size of at the time of measuring, then you need to swapp off your weapon, to the spyglass align the rangefinder, read the very rough distace off it, swapp back to your weapon , aim again and only then you're ready to shoot

you can't check the distance of a cool shot you made because you lack the refrence point with correct size, not can you measure the distance beforehand to be ready once a person shows up.

What i think could work - is give the map some of the usefulness and tools of this one (https://hunt-map.info/) like the ruler one, or the rough 100m x 100m grid.
Then if your pings would show up on both the map and the HUD you could ping a place and then open the map and measure the distance with the "Ruler" tool.

what this would do is it'd allow you to measure the range without needing a hunter to stand there, so you could measure before and after you have a target. To either prepare for an upcoming situation, or find the range of an awesome shot you made. And it'd be thematically fitting and period correct.
And one could still have the stadiametric rangefinding option for when the situation does arise as they aren't mutually exclusive

[lyric rivet]

when you make a drop exclusive and then bring it back because people whine like children, it defeats the purpose of having it exclusive and having hunters that worked for it. it's a slap in the face

[vague patio]

we already had that discussion

[unborn smelt]

A timed exclusive still has purpose. It's not as prestigeous as a full exclusive but still has some exclusivity

[vague patio]

its actuallly a good thing

[grizzled sedge]

full exclusivity in online games is pointless

[unborn dagger]

Hah what nonsense, as if people "worked so hard" to get those twitch drops, fuckin please.

[lyric rivet]

look a someone who didn't earn the skin the first time i'd bet....

[unborn dagger]

Hate to break it to you but I have Plague Doctor, Lulu, Krampus, and even the indian skins I don't use. Keep whining though kiddo. Other people still have to grind for it instead of buying off the store. Especially those that don't have much bloodbonds Cough Skinflint Cough cause now they have to grind even more since they lowered the rate of how much you get BBs.

[eager widget]

I got all the skins from the twitch drops. And I want people to have more chances to get these things as bullshit in life can get in the way of gaming easily.

Events, twitch drops, there should be more than 1 chance to get any skin at any point imho. And if you're upset at Crytek for making these more prominent for people to enjoy and be able to play, then go touch some grass. Might change your life

[vague patio]

^

its a stupid mindset, to not wantpeople enjoy the things you have

there are abillion reasons why you didnt get theskin,but its nice that crytek decided to give extra chances instead of just theusualfuck you

espeically cuasethe skin are very nice

might now agree with how 8just store bought9, but thats seconary

[steady vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC7wyz7f47w&list=TLPQMjEwMjIwMjLUhbZtOQaarQ&index=1&ab_channel=Huuge I'm glad Huuge is bringing attention to this. ""once the smart thing becomes don't play the game, I feel like there is something to be fixed"". We need some changes

[unborn smelt]

Do we tho ?
He literally told people the answer, take serpent. If you ain't got the balls to go for bounty then go and buy serpent.

[vague patio]

letme watch a video from the clickbait youtuber, boosting the engagement, and being no parts wiser

[unborn smelt]

Al he had to do in the game was take the bounty and scan.
Now sure one can say, but that means he broadcasts his position and the fact he's solo across the map, and that's true. But you get info on enemies positions in return.

[steady vapor]

Huuge brought attention to the berthier/gun crouch bug, I think you're kneejerking negatively there for no reason

[unborn smelt]

And what amplified the issue for him was he was solo - and BH is simply not built or balanced around solo play. That's what QP is for. So while you can ofc play BH solo running into such issues is expected

You as a player are supposed to choose - get the advantages and disadvantages tied to bounty and contest the second one with the info from darksight, or try and value your stealth over the info of darksight and contest the second bounty withoutpicking a token