feedback-discussion

[cerulean wraith]

Price is a part of weapon balance. If money is meaningless, an important balance element is meaningless

[digital nacelle]

what if I don’t like mosin

[cerulean wraith]

Semantic disregarded

[digital nacelle]

no one considers that maybe just maybe different players like different guns

[pliant wren]

People aren't going to just use the most expensive weapons cause they can, not unless they like the feel of those weapons.

[digital nacelle]

lots of players prefer, for example, winfield over mosin

[pliant wren]

yup

[digital nacelle]

or caldwell slug over mosin

or vetterli fmj over mosin

I could go on and on

[queen jungle]

yeah I don’t see a lot of avtos around even though everyone should supposedly have enough to run one every game

[digital nacelle]

variety in the game is good

[digital nacelle]

to be fair it’s just a worse dual conversion fmj

[pliant wren]

I can't seem to hit anything with a Mosin. I stick with the Vetterli.

[cerulean wraith]

Okay, not every game. But you can absolutely do that with a Mosin.

[digital nacelle]

vetterli > mosin gang

[queen jungle]

if you win regularly sure

[cerulean wraith]

And people complain about that all the time

[queen jungle]

if you almost never win you can’t really

[digital nacelle]

and yet people use other weapons

surely if everyone can afford mosins every game they’d take them

[cerulean wraith]

Semantic disregarded due to point made above

[digital nacelle]

how is that a semantic?

[cerulean wraith]

"Some players prefer other weapons"

[digital nacelle]

so then clearly it’s not an issue

[cerulean wraith]

Immediately asks "then why is everyone not running mosin?'

[digital nacelle]

who cares if everyone can take mosin if not everyone wants to

[digital nacelle]

I’m trying to show you why your point makes no sense

[cerulean wraith]

Because weapon balance.

[digital nacelle]

mosin is not objectively best

[cerulean wraith]

I know

[queen jungle]

price is not the only factor of weapon balance

cheap weapons have advantaged situations over more expensive weapons

[digital nacelle]

what are you upset by? the ability for players to choose weapons they prefer?

[cerulean wraith]

What I'm trying to say here is that the point of budget (How expensive of a loadout you can constantly take whitout losing money) is in the wrong place. Right now it's basically at Long ammo rifles and frag bombs, which people complain about all the time.

It wasn't always like this, and maybe we should lower the point of budget down to say, Medium ammo.

[digital nacelle]

but why? since people don’t all take long ammo

people complain about everything

including me, I am not innocent of this

[cerulean wraith]

So that there is more of a point ti taking cheaper weapons, and engaging with more of the game's arsenal.

[digital nacelle]

besides their already advantageous characteristics?

[pliant wren]

Well, the most commonly used long ammo gun is the sparks, and it's not expensive.

[queen jungle]

I think you’re complaining about an issue that just doesn’t exist in reality

[digital nacelle]

[cerulean wraith]

No way.

[queen jungle]

I see a wide variety of weapons at 5 star mmr

[pliant wren]

I hear at least one sparks used nearly every match I'm in. It's cheap, it's accurate, and it OHKO's anyone who's been scratched lately. Several streamers consider it the most effective gun in the game.

[digital nacelle]

attention mosin nerds enjoy only having 15 bullets

not chad vetterli having more reserve than if you take an uppercut

[elder elm]

a budget load out is really going to apply to a small amount of people you where able to make plenty of money running free hunters before besides a lack of skill the budget load out means nothing people take what they want to take in ive only played off and on on pc and i have over 30 k and im still low lvl and not even prestige 1 yet lol and on console im sitting a wad of cash im not seeing the point of money is the root of evil loadouts most people playing are are sitting on a mountain of cash if anything i think this extra money stuff is going to help bridge a small gap between weapons and skill this extra money is a buff not the downfall of hunt as you see it to be

[digital nacelle]

[cerulean wraith]

Again what im trying to say is, the price is only really a balancing factor for the dolch, Nitro and avtomat

Maybe it should be a factor for the mosin and lebel as well. Idk

[queen jungle]

I think you're going on about an issue that doesn't exist

placebo at best

[cerulean wraith]

And if it isn't a problem or a factor, why don't we just remove hunt bucks?

Wouldn't change anything, right?

[queen jungle]

number go up

[elder elm]

sounds good to me

[pliant wren]

lol, I mean if we're making things more expensive, sure, Mosin and Lebel could do with a price increase.

[unborn dagger]

Mosin and lebel are fine where theyre at in price

[cerulean wraith]

Having too much money is the problem, especially after 1.7.2

It was okay before, even if I'd have like it a bit lesser. But is definitely not okay now.

[elder elm]

it is a problem before this last update, this update seems like it is ment more for to help new players bridge the gap

[pliant wren]

I'd like to argue to give the Bornheim a bit of love and either lower it's price, or give it a slight buff.

[cerulean wraith]

Not really? Given that the new rewards are only applied if you extract with the bounty iirc

Chary does help new players a little bit with his random rewards, but I bloody hate him and his stupid tier 4 lootbox

[cerulean wraith]

On that we agree. It could do with a few bucks of cost less

But I think it's pretty balanced otherwise

[pliant wren]

Bornheim match is my baby, but Schofield Precision has stolen her thunder, so I feel even less justified now putting money into her.

[cerulean wraith]

The matcheim is good, yeah

But like all semi autos, a bit too expensive

I mean, the Spitfire is a Dolch for a 5th of the price

[pliant wren]

I've been playing about 8 months now, and I've never once bought a Dolch. I cannot get past the special ammo issue.

[cerulean wraith]

I don't see it as that big a deal

20 rounds

Bring an ammo box and look for supply points on the map

@sharp arrow good idea, definitely 2 points imo

[unborn dagger]

^

[vernal sundial]

can i know 10am CET update until what time ?

[cerulean wraith]

@dusk lion the game used to have something like this. https://youtu.be/6Zqk_X9-he8

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I had over 120 rounds fired at me and 3 friends with all wall bangs we died 5 times with maximum cover and little moving about for sound reduction  We had not picked up bounty.  ALL ammo needs a chance to deflect after hitting wall in game.  This fixes hackers, espers,  and people that just bring FMJ on the most spamable gun, Winchester line in game and just shoot till they get kills.  Also the bullets should slow down drastically making it hard to wall bang and nothing should been more than 2 walls period.```

[cerulean wraith]

@torn escarp this has been suggested before and I don't think it's necesary. Look around and explore a bit.

And given how much moolah the game already gives you, I don't think a "find me more money" trait is necesary.

[pallid idol]

I agree that the game should be a bit stingier with money
I'm sitting on $40k right now without too much effort

[plush ledge]

When you don't die in 9/10 games you need to actively try to spend your money. There's a reason why the guys who don't prestige sit at 500k +

[rocky orchid]

these extraction points

[bronze quail]

I've made like 25k in a single night imediatly after the patch was released.

The game has no more an economy and it's a problem

Cause all the shop system is based around an economy that no longer exists

If we wanted to have the same ratio between the money earned and the price of the weapons that was in the beta, the mosin should cost now at least 1000$ or even more.

I don't want the reduced earnings like in beta, but after this patch is really too much imo

[unborn smelt]

Even in EA the higher level players played what they wanted all day long

[cerulean wraith]

What we're saying is that the new awards only made that problem worse

[bronze quail]

In ea higher level players played with all they wanted, now everybody plays with all they want

[cerulean wraith]

☝️

[unborn smelt]

The issue there is that the economy is very symetrical making it hard to nerf anythi g without condemnig new/lower end players to permanent poorness.

There is nothi g to give lower end players a little boost nor the whales hoarding mony a little dampener

[cerulean wraith]

Just revert the 1.7.2 additions lol

It would objectively make everything better.

[bronze quail]

Every match is at least a nitro, or an avto, full of tier 3/ legendary, i have struggle to find even tier 1 players.
Every gun has a cost, but if prices rise too high, the cost of weapons completely loses value

[cerulean wraith]

This is exactly what I've been trying to tell everyone today but nobody gets it because "hehe number to up good"

[bronze quail]

why should i save money using a springfield?

[elder elm]

so what i hear is let the vets keep taking in what ever they want and screw the new/less skilled players?

[bronze quail]

if i win i win 2000$

[unborn smelt]

No - some people might just not agree with you.

[bronze quail]

The game is made to not be balanced. A mosin shouldnt be so common, for both veterans and new players

[cerulean wraith]

b r u h

You get like 200 bucks for losing. You can't run out of money, you will always have enough for the basics unless you are terrible at basic game sense

[unborn smelt]

And the average winrate is what?

1 in 4 for trios and 1 in 6 for duos very roughly.

[bronze quail]

Atm there is 0 diversity in weapons like it was before. A player lvl 5 p1 uses the same weapons as a lvl100 p100

[solar monolith]

Could try and make prestiging more appealing. That gets rid of that banked money

[bronze quail]

Cause lobbys are full of top tier weapons

Like back when dolch was used for everybody. After the dolch nerf i was playing matches where EVERY player had a dolch, and i'm not exagerating. Literally every player.
If everybody uses high tier weapons everybody is going to have one cause of looting

For example i've NEVER bought a dolch, but if I wanted I could use it every game for a week cause i have like 40 dolches saved on my inventory

[cerulean wraith]

The "point of budget" (the price of a loadout you can constantly bring to a match without losing money overall) is too high.

It lets everyone take whatever the flying fuck they want and make cheaper guns irrelevant when compared to more expensive counterparts. That's why games of all mosin all the time happen.

[bronze quail]

i've like 15 mosins, 8 avtos ecc

[cerulean wraith]

Just revert the easily monetizable 1.7.2 bullshit and it'll be fine

[unborn smelt]

Thats 1 win having to cover 3 losses in trios, lets assume we gethe safe 150 every time +500 from the previous win.

Thats a Mosin +150 for everything else for example

[bronze quail]

The problem is that there is a lot of people that not prestiges (me too) who has a lot of money and keep taking everything they want. And they actually are giving free weapons to "low tier" players.
And at the end of the day everybody is running a mosin -.-

[elder elm]

i could see your point but my self i think to balance they would have to wipe every1 cash pool then i could see the argument about to much cash flow thats why i mentioned before that this is more of an attempt to bridge the pay gap if every1 had no issue with money then the average kda wouldn't be under 1.0

[bronze quail]

I have a friend with 3k hours and 0.95kd and he has like 500.000$, if he can make all that money i think that almost everybody can reach that. But it migh be an exception idk

[solar monolith]

Make prestige more appealing = more people do it = more people with less money

[cerulean wraith]

Nobody will willingly wipe their hunt bucks unless they receive something huge in return.

[crystal plume]

The fact of the matter is that there are people who have occasional issues with money in the game, and it is not even because of their game sense or anything like that

[solar monolith]

I do it because I hate myself and it’s more of a challenge

[crystal plume]

It has literally happened to me while I was prestiging, my friend had it happen just couple days ago as well

And we are both "above average"

[cerulean wraith]

What, running out of money?

[crystal plume]

Sometimes you just have bad days

[bronze quail]

only one time i almost was broke. I think i reached like 500$

but it was years ago

[crystal plume]

Of course you can help avoid it happening with super cheap loadouts

[spice topaz]

Sometines you have good days more like 😝

[crystal plume]

But where's the fun in that

[solar monolith]

True fact. Had a weekend where we couldn’t get a win and had to roll free hunters

[cerulean wraith]

I mean, wouldn't a "low money earning multiplier" that boosts your rewards if you have very low money be more appropriate than ruining the economy for everyone? @crystal plume

[elder elm]

i my self have hit my soft limit for the game around 20k because for the last 2 weeks ive had a w/l ratio of 1in10 free hunters are fun and all but that fun is only so long

[bronze quail]

Now i have so much money that even if i die for a week straight I would still have at least 100k

[bronze quail]

And thats the problem i think

i mean, im part of the problem

[solar monolith]

Or hard cap how much money you can have at like 20k

[cerulean wraith]

1.7.2 was a terrible solution to a problem that does exist, however small or large it may be

[bronze quail]

^^^^

[cerulean wraith]

They didn't use a hammer on the nail, they used a sledgehammer and broke everything.

[crystal plume]

You keep giving the 1.7.2 additions different reasons for existing than what the actual reason is

They're for player retention, nothing else, there's other benefits from it such as extra money, but that was not the reason it was added

It's not for monetization either

[cerulean wraith]

Yet.

And I don't think we needed the extra money.

[vague patio]

its weird seeing people complain about too much money and nerding that, when i sit here with not having had over 25 k in 2 years

[bronze quail]

increasing money in the game was not the intention, but it was the conseguence

and is still a problem

[cerulean wraith]

Exactly

[solar monolith]

Right? I never have more than like 8k

[cerulean wraith]

I held 17k when I was a 0.1 k/d. This may be a budgeting issue

[vague patio]

i lost my post event money in a blink

[solar monolith]

I prestige as soon as I can, always take the exp boost and by the time I have a fair amount, it’s prestige time

[queen jungle]

isn’t your complaint that people never have to budget? clearly not the case then

[cerulean wraith]

Idk how you manage that, honestly

[vague patio]

i mean it doesn't matter. i play everything budget, meta, meme. none give me an edge

[cerulean wraith]

I really don't know then

How do we reconcile people sitting on 500k and people with less than 8k the same time

I still think a reversion to 1.7.1 is necesary

[crystal plume]

Won't happen

[solar monolith]

I’m happy with 8k

[crystal plume]

Don't know what else to tell you

[queen jungle]

i think you're creating solutions in search of problems that may not even be problems in the first place

[steady prism]

well obviously it wont happen... but he can at least voice his concerns

[cerulean wraith]

It should

[solar monolith]

Using cheap guns is fun. When you beat a Mosin you get a giggle and a free gun

[crystal plume]

Not when you do only cheap guns for couple months straight

[cerulean wraith]

Maybe after we get a new nail and a new wall, they can use a hammer instead of an axe ti hammer it in.

[crystal plume]

As I have been doing to grind to 1 million for another milestone after reaching P100

I don't enjoy running only cheap loadouts

Especially only 4 weak vitality shots

[solar monolith]

Dunno what to tell you, I don’t use expensive guns unless I steal it from a corpse.

[cerulean wraith]

Honestly, if people are running out of money, give help to those people specifically. Call it welfare.

Give the players with, say, under 3k cash a multiplier that increases their cash earnings to help them out of the hole.

And for player retention, give players a small conciliatory award if they lose several games in a row.

[crystal plume]

That is not the goal of player retention

They want people to play as much as possible and for days in a row

That is player retention

The growth has been good, especially during events, but the numbers drop a bit after each event again as there's no more special grind to do

[cerulean wraith]

So a game demanding that I play for several days in a row to get a special reward is a good thing? Way to suck the fun out of playing and wear players out.

[crystal plume]

"Special"

[cerulean wraith]

Playing at your own pace is always superior.

[crystal plume]

A whole 25 blood bonds for 5 days

It's just a nice bonus

[bronze quail]

well thats how almoest every online game works

its all about grinding something

[crystal plume]

And it's not even much that you need to do each day

A single bounty extraction

[cerulean wraith]

I usually don't play more then 4 games per day. And I don't want to have the "oooooo play more ti get a reward" ghost dancing in my mind any more than it already does.

[crystal plume]

As for the dark tribute, for that you just play normally and you don't need to keep up a streak for it

[bronze quail]

you dont have to care about it

[crystal plume]

You can claim them whenever with no difference if you do it 3 days in a row or couple times every week

[bronze quail]

just play whenever you want

[cerulean wraith]

I don't, but I hate that it's there because some players are addicted to that scheiße and it's causing them harm.

[bronze quail]

thats sadly how every game works. There is no other way to retain players

[cerulean wraith]

Speaking of harm, please stop defending the lootboxes. It's actually baffling how people are defending that crap in 2022. It makes me sick and not want to be part of the community.

[cerulean wraith]

Here's one. Good gameplay.

[crystal plume]

I don't see them as "lootboxes" at all

[cerulean wraith]

They are. The last one is paid. By definition, it's a lootbox.

[crystal plume]

So I am not defending "lootboxes"

[bronze quail]

the game can retain player with his features only for some hours. Devs now are trying to retain old and veteran players

I dont give a fuck about gameplay cause i have more than 2k hours

The only way to retain a player with a lot of hours is by giving him something else to do

[vague patio]

the only thing i dont like about the dark tribute is the hunter being completly random unlocked

[bronze quail]

Specially something daily or something to grind ecc

[cerulean wraith]

I would say that's a good thing. Games shouldn't incentivise players to binge the game because it leads to burnout and is unhealthy IRL.

[crystal plume]

Noone in their right mind is going to pay for the last one, and it is not "paid" as it can be easily acquired with just 3k xp

[vague patio]

id wish it be more like a seal 10 deals or alike kinda thing

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bouncing betty
proximity mine, doesn't kill but causes bleeding(low damage, high bleeding or other way round)
good to escape with bounty, when beeing chased

Hoenig Rotary Round
Maybe high recoil but 2 rounds kill? 
Could be high priced like nitro

Szecsei & Fuchs Double Barrel Bolt Action
Love that gun, would love to see it implemented in the game
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[bronze quail]

thats it

[solar monolith]

It’s a business, why should they care about health?

[cerulean wraith]

Won't yet, not yet and not yet. This system is abusable as fuc

[crystal plume]

Ok mr crystalball

[cerulean wraith]

They can just pretend to stop caring about their players then.

[tardy wharf]

That's proven to not be enough for the attention span of modern gamers though.

[cerulean wraith]

Modern gaming is fucked and is unhealthy as shit

No disputing yhat

[tardy wharf]

not denying that

[bronze quail]

^^

[solar monolith]

Welcome to the world

[cerulean wraith]

Playing games for 8 hours straight is not good for you, it's addiction-generating and this should not be incentivised.

[crystal plume]

What isn't unhealthy as shit in the modern age

[bronze quail]

even breathing is unhealthy atm

[crystal plume]

And I'd rather honestly play for 8 hours than spend a single hour on twitter or other traditional social media which is much worse for mental health

[cerulean wraith]

Lesser evil is still evil.

[bronze quail]

but that depends on you

[solar monolith]

Very black and white view

[tardy wharf]

i hope they will touch upon these charys contract animations. Right now they look super amateurish imo

[bronze quail]

is not a companyes fault

[cerulean wraith]

At this point let's just agree to disagree because this is unproductive as shit.

[solar monolith]

True that, The company is there to make money

[cerulean wraith]

I like it this way. It's not too shiny and is therefore unlikely to generate lootbox sales.

[bronze quail]

If i made a videogame is not my fault if a player decides to play 15h a day

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah but they shouldn't encourage it. Like how they shouldn't sell asbestos.

[bronze quail]

But is a company fault if they incentive to play more than x hours, or incentive to buy loot boxes ecc

[bronze quail]

^^

[tardy wharf]

fair point, but i don't want my current favovite game to look like it's a mod of another game

[cerulean wraith]

And the current incentive systems are promoting videogame asbestos.

To torture a metaphor.

[bronze quail]

yes but no, not that much i mean. I think that atm is not a problem on hunt

we'll see if they are gonna add something more like this 100bb thing

[cerulean wraith]

Oh, they will. Unless we scare them away.

[solar monolith]

Companies don’t care about how they keep people, they should, but they don’t. Truth be told, arguing about it here won’t change it either.

[crystal plume]

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-pondering-my-orb-my-orb-orb-pondering-my-pondering-my-orb-orb-gif-24060364

I honestly won't really care much as long as actual content is not behind a paywall

Which they have said won't happen

[solar monolith]

^

[tardy wharf]

second that.

[crystal plume]

Even though I love my skins and want to have all of them, and don't really love the fact that I have to wait until I finally roll the new exclusive one, I know I will get it eventually for free

[cerulean wraith]

What all they said won't happen...

I'm sorry but I have 0 trust in this industry. Even in the good actors.

Nobody is immune to the corruption of the Church of EA.

[steady prism]

i mean yes... but neon has a point it does no good to already fragile economy

cuz having lots of money may sound good... but it will severely limit variety of weapons we will meet in game

[cerulean wraith]

Thanks for the gif btw

[cerulean wraith]

I've been trying to tell people this all day but "haha funny number got up good"

[steady prism]

i am personally prestiging, so i idrc too much about having money, with my playstyle i keep about 5000 monnis in my pockets most of the time, but i play a lot of free hunters

anyway... im sure that Crytek has statistic tools to see how much monnis people have

[cerulean wraith]

Also now that I'm back, I'll start working on the doc again.

[steady prism]

so hopefully they will notice in few months that theres A LOT more money spinning around => expensive weapons having much more playtime than before

[crystal plume]

I'm pretty sure they have already noticed some players having 3 million hunt dollars

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah they have statistics for weapon usage. They'll notice, I'm just worried about what they will do to address it

[steady prism]

im just bit afraid that they will go the obvious rabbit hole and nerf the standart income for bounties and clues, so that you d be more dependant on this new lootbox mechanic, which is random...

[crystal plume]

Imo we just need more things to spend money on

[steady prism]

agreed

Dolch got nerfed to the ground, Avto is shit, Nitro has shitty sights => noone plays "superweapons" even if they could, bcs they feel horrible to use

[cerulean wraith]

I'm afraid they'll go

[cerulean wraith]

The avto is good if you stuff 2 uppercuts up your ass

[steady prism]

ye but thats still inconvenient weapon to use

[crystal plume]

Since when was dolch nerfed to the ground

[steady prism]

i dunno like few patches ago?

[crystal plume]

And avto still upper tier with the right playstyle

[steady prism]

dunno exactly when

[steady prism]

yes... with the right playstyle... but its shit anyway 😄

[crystal plume]

Right playstyle as in aggressively pushing and treating walls as paper

[steady prism]

id much rather take standart winchester than avto

[crystal plume]

Which is far from shit

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[cerulean wraith]

95% of the weapons in this game are very much usable and not shit but some are better than others, which is where price should come in, only its a bit meaningless right now.

[steady prism]

that is true...

everything is usable... but there are weapons that simply dont feel satisfying enough to play

like Chain Conversion or Nitro

sure you can use it... but it just feels dumb and you take that only if you are in mood for some trolling

im not saying thats bad.... we were nearing prestige once so we both took Nitros, just for the sake of having some fun and we blasted away 90% of Meatheads in session 😄

[normal vine]

I find the occasional little bit of trolling to satisfy on a sublime scale like no other though

[steady prism]

which was definitely fun.... but i cant imagine anyone serious taking Nitro to go club

[tardy wharf]

If the nitro was fun to play and easy to use they'd have to reduce the damage to normal long ammo-levels. And at that point it wouldn't be the nitro anymore

[steady prism]

i mean its already shit... most of the time you hit arm or something so you need 2 shots anyway

[normal vine]

I love how shit the nitro is as a 1tap cannon

[crystal plume]

The blur isn't that bad on it tbh, I used to run it in a way where I would essentially aim with the blurry bit and flick on the target

[normal vine]

it makes it feel good to me

[steady prism]

blur is OK, but the zoom is too bad

it just feels odd aiming with that

[normal vine]

it feels like a border between meme weapon and op blaster
which is what makes it work

[tardy wharf]

Working as intended 😄

[normal vine]

the it being bad to hit with part while being so good is the only thing keeping the post nerf gun on life support

[steady prism]

btw am i the only one whos triggered by Cryteks adaptation of aperture sights?

[steady prism]

thats true actually 😅

[normal vine]

no surely not

but I think they're all 10/10

aside nitro sights

[digital nacelle]

I like the toggleable ones a lot

[normal vine]

which SHOULD be bad

[normal vine]

this
(all but nitro)

[digital nacelle]

nitro aperture sucks balls but other ones are honestly pretty good

and that’s how it should be

[steady prism]

i dont like how bad they look on screen tho... thats not how optics work

[digital nacelle]

how so?

[normal vine]

no but it is how they can replicate the visual help affect of having one eye closed and the other squinting through a fuckin microscope sized peep

[steady prism]

they were specifically designed, so that you can see most of the stuff around when looking through one

[steady prism]

thats the thing, you can (and should) aim with both eyes open

[normal vine]

yeah for sure but they're more used as a pseudo scope and if it just zoomed the screen I would never use the pane scope in any situation

non blur aperture would be hella op and bad game design

[digital nacelle]

I mean fair but scopes need to have an advantage as well

[steady prism]

it doesnt really work with standart iron sights, since you have to line the front piece with back piece (im not native english speaker so i dunno hows that called)

[normal vine]

'let me have better irons but not a scope pls thx'

the hunter as far as a screen really only has one eye that matters, too

it's not like he actually has independant orbitals

in terms of mechanics

[steady prism]

lemme try to find example

[normal vine]

I know what you mean in terms of real life application and I definitely agree

I just think they ran into balance issues with making apertures a thing that literally zooms you in to be more efficient but also aperture sights don't really just zoom the world in when you have both eyes open irl

if there was no blur i feel it would just be irons in the shape of a circle

with no zoom

[steady prism]

this is perfect example of what i meant

[normal vine]

and that'd suck ass

[steady prism]

if you look through aperture sights, there are 3 things you can focus on

[normal vine]

word

[steady prism]

1st is the back piece (you never focus on that) 2nd is the front piece (u rarely focus on that) 3rd is the target

[normal vine]

I absolutely see wym, I just like what the apertures do for me

it lets me focus on ONE thing

[steady prism]

and by focusing on the target, everything else loses focus so it appears blurry

[normal vine]

all I can see is the one dude I see

so it helps me line up the proper shot and ignore periphery

I feel like the aperture interpretation is because of the MASSIVE swathes of open area

[cerulean wraith]

@vocal blade I think the Fuchs was produced after the events of the game. But something similar built off a Lebel or similar would be interesting

[vital drum]

@whole tendon Hello, your suggestion has been removed for being low effort, adding a description with your reasoning behind it and benefits would help

[whole tendon]

Fixed sorry about that. I figured it was self-explanatory, but definitely can provide more details

[vital drum]

Thank you

[pearl bolt]

They won't do it and I'll thell you why: it would move the focus on PvP because the bounty would become pointless and that's something that's never gonna happen.

[steady prism]

tru

[vocal blade]

@whole tendon I found your Idea 5 times reposted before
I would hate loot traits. It is now horrible enough.

You had a long hard fight have both bounties and cleared the lobby?
Have fun running around the whole map because Teammates want to loot every body, every compount, find every event point possible.

@cerulean wraith It isn't important if the gun has been produced in the time of MeatHeads and big ass spiders, it should just fit into the game with the mechanics and other weapons

[whole tendon]

I would never run around the whole map to check every compound for bodies with this trait. This is simply a small buff for when you just showed up to a compound that had multiple gunshots and you know there are bodies around somewhere. Or as mentioned in the description where you kill someone in a field/water/from far distance, and you are struggling to find the body.

[unborn smelt]

no reason to be this condescending...

Cain is definetly hard to spot - which i don't think is even debatable at this point.

who is harder to spot however, and if it's reaching problem or P2W territorry that's a diffrent story

[vocal blade]

I know that you wouldn't do that and what you have in mind but the others would do it even more after that buff because it becomes easier to loot

[late wind]

There are far harder hunters to spot. Why haven't they been nerfed?

[unborn smelt]

that's very subjective

[late wind]

People are just upsetti spaghetti that the ugly man killed their imaginary swamp gf.

[late wind]

So then you can debate Cain is hard to spot.

[unborn smelt]

I do agree that people overdo the Cain OP, and i disagree with calling it P2W or OP in any way

[fossil frost]

I've not noticed cain inside dimly lit buildings sitting in front of me but for prodigal daughter her coat a navy blue and a lot of the colours in the game are washed out

[unborn smelt]

I'd even go as far as to say it's to a degree hardware based

on my old righ i couldn't spot white ass revenants in a building interior, on my new Rig i can spot Cains in the Woods and dark corners rather easily

[late wind]

My point is: If people cared about legendary hunters being OP (which they don't); they would also be asking that other hard to see hunters get adjusted (which they didn't).

The downvotes on my consistency suggestion are cut and dry evidence that people don't actually care. And using the guise of balance as a smokescreen to obfuscate the fact that they can't handle the fact that Cain looks ugly to them.

[unborn smelt]

It's not "cut and dry" evidence

[cerulean wraith]

It matters a lot. The Auto-5 and Avtomat get shit for it all the time

[unborn smelt]

people might simply not agree with your sentiment that those are harder to spot than cain

lets not open this can of worms as that's not helping the argument nor should it be discussed here

The point is you feel they are harder to spot, others don't.
Thats likely were the many downvotes come from

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah let's not

[unborn smelt]

They are arguably all well camouflaged and i do agree the cain complaining is way overdone.
But smth that subjective and situational doesn't make sense to try any pass it off as a fact that's the same for everyone

[late wind]

Yeah. Indicating people don't actually care about legendary hunters are actually OP or not. Otherwise people would be advocating for other hunters to get reworked, too. But... crickets.

They don't.

[unborn smelt]

they do, especially for headsman and reptilian

they did both face the backlash too altho not to the same extent as cain

[cerulean wraith]

Yep

I've seen a lot of that

I understand it for Headsman, but the Reptilian stands out like a sore thumb to me

[pallid idol]

My biggest issue with the headsman is where his hitbox actually is
I'm never sure whether I'm shooting his cloak or him

[fossil frost]

Its the shiny skin of the reptilian that makes him easier to spot as I mentioned earlier a lot of the colours in the game are dull and muted vibrant and shiny stand out, all I can think of is brickworks and the reddish bricks grey and brown buildings surrounded in mud

[warm gazelle]

And some people seem to be malding a lot about an unwashed man in loincloth getting brighter, to each their own

80% of Cain players don't play him for the looks, and it will be shown after the "nerf"

[late wind]

I don't even own him. I'm just calling the rest of you out for being total hypocrites.

[maiden pelican]

I think cain is unreasonably well camouflaged

[warm gazelle]

I guess Cain skin will be totally ruined if made brighter

Like, unplayable

[maiden pelican]

Make his skulls white

Like bleached bone white

[late wind]

So we can make Gater and company brighter too, right?

[maiden pelican]

Sure

[warm gazelle]

Sure, I care not

[maiden pelican]

Give plague doctor a white mask as well

[cerulean wraith]

He's already pretty bright imo

[warm gazelle]

Make gator neon green if you want

[maiden pelican]

Cause its not Brighter/darker

[warm gazelle]

But Cain will need to be brighter

[maiden pelican]

Its what color they are versus your average bayou color

[cerulean wraith]

Like just because one skin is a bit strong doesn't mean you have to nerf every last one. That's just pushing the issue down the line

[warm gazelle]

Cain is a rubble pile with legs

Down to the skulls

[maiden pelican]

Cain could stand being less beigey brown, give him blood spatter rather than mud

[warm gazelle]

Or white warpaint

[pure quest]

glow in the dark eyes

[warm gazelle]

Again, its users are not in for the aesthetic

[cerulean wraith]

@odd rose hope you don't mind me reposting this here

Pink bath robe

Problem solved

[warm gazelle]

All Cain players will go back to Felis

Or Gator/Headsman

[cerulean wraith]

Felis is a non-issue imo

[warm gazelle]

Not saying it is

But they will

They won't jump to Redneck, I assure you

[cerulean wraith]

Same for gator, but Headsman's head could be made a bit more distinct. Maybe make his hood or mask just a bit brighter.

Otherwise another non issue, like dual weilding

[late wind]

@warm gazelle is Cain in the room with us right now?

[cerulean wraith]

No.

I'd smell him if he was

[warm gazelle]

Dunno, maybe in the dark corner lmao

Crouching

[cerulean wraith]

Oh my sweet summer childern

every skin could do that in pre-release.

The game was so dark back then

[warm gazelle]

They should make Cain completely clean, like the Alive Revenant skin, and he gets mudier and mudier when downed :V

Ez fix

[cerulean wraith]

But speaking of crouching in dark corners (and bushes) this is the best

[warm gazelle]

There, mudy Cain available

[cerulean wraith]

That is actually a great idea ngl

You should suggest that

[odd rose]

Haha, not at all!

[feral roost]

bs hitreg wtf. and that happens pretty often.

[cerulean wraith]

i dunno, looks to me like you shot just right of her head

[pearl bolt]

I assume that you are just a troll. Learn some manners and stop your provocating answers. If you don't like that your easy win legendary is getting nerfed I suggest a different game that fits your style. Fortnite for example.

[cerulean wraith]

got a question for you lonewolf, why do you downvote everything?

[pearl bolt]

I am not downvoting everything, there are in fact suggestion I upvote. They are not suggestion I personally like, they are suggestion who are well thought through. 99% of the suggestion are just half baked feelings and some are just a wall of words.

[onyx matrix]

If you're a Hunter you camouflage yourself. Why are people up in arms over Cain? The f*cking army wear camo.

[cerulean wraith]

dunno, you downvoted a lot of my stuff that I thought was pretty well thought trough.

[cerulean wraith]

this is the dumbest argument for cain i've ever heard.

[pearl bolt]

There is a difference of camouflaging yourself or just beeing camouflaged doing nothing.

[onyx matrix]

You're allowed to do nothing if you paid for the game.

[pearl bolt]

Alot aren't. They just aren't.

[cerulean wraith]

In what way?

[pearl bolt]

That sentence makes literally no sense.

[cerulean wraith]

I does though. Camping is a valid strategy. Its just boring, unfun to play against and suboptimal in most cases.

[pearl bolt]

Camping=comouflaing. Doing nothing=just standing around.

You are allowed to just stand around by paying a game. Makes just no sense in the Cain topic. Not a single one.

[cerulean wraith]

i think he meant bush camping with cain or something idk

[pearl bolt]

It's like answering"I think a Ferrari should be red" with "Yellow is fine". It is, but wooot?

[cerulean wraith]

I think that's because Cain often blends in better than other legendaries and Tier 3s (although this is fiercely debated upon and I have no strong feeling either way). The fact that a real military uses camouflage is irrelevant when discussing the balance of a yeehaw 1895 shooter vidya.

[pearl bolt]

Just looking at the past few suggestion: Pax pricing (is fine), seeing dead bodies in dark sight (often enough told that it's abuseable mechanic and they come up with it over and over again), animal traps? uh?, virs shot? uh?, selling contrabands? even Dennis said it would cause alot of problems and people still come up with it. And so on.

[solar monolith]

Every legendary hunter gets a bright, rotating caution light. Just fixed all problems. Check please

[cerulean wraith]

most suggestions are either reposts or worthless, usually written in 30 seconds with no thought put into them whatsoever.

And me and Zapper are sorting through them.

[pearl bolt]

Exactly, that's why I downvote them. The very last one got an upvote. It's something good.

Well thought through and would do any harm to anyone but the toxic players

[cerulean wraith]

👍

[late wind]

You called my explanation that dark cloaks are harder to see than naked people a joke and I'm the troll? Lmao cope harder.

[halcyon kettle]

Because no other hunter looks like mud and can stand in the middle of the road unnoticed

[late wind]

Except he can't.

[sick anvil]

Here is a simple test . how many times have you faced a cain where you could not tell where the f are the bullets coming from if lets say a redshirt would have been in the same spot would he been same invisible

if the answer is no i would have instantly spotted redshirt there then cain the problem

[cerulean wraith]

redshirt is analogous to a Tier 1, cain is analogous to a Tier 3, its not exactly a fair comparison

[sick anvil]

Redshirt legendary

[rocky orchid]

the moment you pull the trigger.. right above right.. just a few pixels, but enough to no hit properly

[solar monolith]

Choosing the easiest to see to support your argument, I see. Switch it to Prodigal Daughter. She’s legendary. Or Felis. Also legendary

[sick anvil]

Does not mater Cain is the resolution of Emotional damage and failed failure management .

its the progression of stupid and the Apex of mount stupid

[digital nacelle]

both of those are much easier to spot than cain imo

[solar monolith]

Your spelling makes me cry and your logic has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

[solar monolith]

And I find Cain easy to spot. I’m for making them all bright pink or something

[sick anvil]

My logic is perfectly fine , and atacking some ones spelling just shows you level of intellect

[digital nacelle]

well, I think the general consensus is cain is harder to spot than other hunters

[rocky orchid]

as a colorblind person i can confirm that nearly any hunter is an issue to spot for me.. there are green or even redshirts (level 1/2) which are hard for me.. Cain is just the tip of the iceberg

[digital nacelle]

there will always be those who disagree

which is fine

[digital nacelle]

ouch. hunt while colorblind sounds like an absolute nightmare

[solar monolith]

But all you said to my argument of using someone more akin to Cain than Redshirt was basically doesn’t matter. And it absolutely does. Which is harder to spot, this camoed man or this clown?

[rocky orchid]

it is.. i am very sad, that they never gave us a colorblind option.. but in nearly 1000 hrs and after 3-4 years of hunt.. i am playing a little bit slower and look just more if i see something move.. but yes.. it is hardly crazy for me to spot people ..

[digital nacelle]

…what? I’m confused

[digital nacelle]

colorblind mode is much needed I agree

[rocky orchid]

well because if you are colorblind you can still focus on movement which is harder and slower... but if pixels move.. in a common way, which you learn by experience you can guess if there is an enemy hunter.. 😄

[digital nacelle]

oh I replied to the wrong thing

I meant to reply to @solar monolith

apologies

your message makes sense

[solar monolith]

I’ve been replying to @sick anvil with my recent answers

[digital nacelle]

oh I see

fair enough then

[sick anvil]

Lets go then ,
What is hunt a PVPVE game that is supposed to involve some skill that is acquired by playing meaning there is an expected pattern to be recognized even when enemy is located at a hard to spot place in which a any hunter would be barely visible no matter put a Phantom there or a T3 in this case the enemy knows that this location is difficult to be shoot at from but not impossible to be spotted . Queue Cain which is equally to difficult to spot placed in a place any other hunter can be identified by some manner from easy to difficult .
Saying Cain is as much invisible is as much a smoking pile of bullshit as saying that is as visible as any other hunter.
Cain has a distinct advantage no other skin gets plenty of situations.
Justify that advantage just by the fact that is a DLC skin is the weak argument here.
Failed Halloween Ghost costume and Lacoste Hand bag should also get the same treatment as Cain face lift them to not excel over a T3 bush Wookie

I should not be able to ahead spend money to get an advantage it was not part of the game it was implemented recently and that is it . does it divide the community yes because every community will have people that want to pay to win .
And just because your Monitor or the way you set up your game makes it easy for you to spot Cain well that is a different argument to be have and it connects directly to how fat the wallet is

[late wind]

Dude you acting like Cain is uniquely hard to spot is outright delusional at best. And intentionally dishonest at worst. Plenty of DLC hunters are as hard, or harder to spot.

[sick anvil]

Because i have not just named 2 other hunters that should get the same treatment but I guess Failed Halloween ghost costume is to hard to decipher and Lacoste hand bag is to much of a riddle

[feral roost]

should still be a hit in your screenshot

[rocky orchid]

not really because it is slightly of and if i see it correctly there is a shotbolt

[feral roost]

jep its a shotbolt but iam not off i dont know how you aim it but as far as i know i aim with the middle spike and thats where it hits and the spike is still on target maybe not dead center but still on target in your screenshot

[late wind]

Yeah. You haphazardly made an offhand remark about a couple hunters being kinda good is nowhere near close to the amount of whining people like you have been making about Cain. So by highlighting Cain, you're intentionally downplaying other Hunters' issues and using Cain as a lightning rod or sacrifical lamb to divert attention so that the others don't get touched. If you and those who share your opinion actually cared about some kind of legendary power creep, you'd be yelling about all the hard to see hunters equally. Not solely focusing on Cain.

[sick anvil]

Because one step at the time once Cain be wearing a clown rainbow wig and a big fat red nose , then next on the shit list is Lacoste and then boo the coal ghost

[native lodge]

so this is about where you are aiming when the shot starts, (its pretty quick flick so its hard to pin point the exact spot)

which lead to you hitting the door by a tiny fraction

[feral roost]

isnt there an arm in the way of my projectile ?

[native lodge]

shes flicking up to shoot you, by the time it reached where her arm was, its already move out of the way

which iirc, shotbolt has 100m/s velocity

so its pretty slow

[feral roost]

this is the exact moment the bolt gets shot out of the bow

[native lodge]

thats just visual effct

whats important is where your shot starts

[feral roost]

ok well then i learned something new

[native lodge]

basically from what I understand when you click the game starts the projectile in that direction with the damage and speed values

[solar monolith]

The game is already pay to win with Felis, Bone Doctor, Black Coat (less so), Weird Sister, Prodigal Daughter, Executioner, And Gator boi as well as Cain! The point @late wind and myself are making is they are all pay to win and Cain is no different. I have the same difficulty seeing him as I do any of the others and my eyes are awful. Instead of just focusing the entire wrath of this discord on one P2W hunter, why not do it to all the problem children? Or do people not really want to lose P2W and rather use Cain as a scapegoat to say something was done about it?

[native lodge]

with the crossbow it seems delayed because of how slow it is but in truth its like every other projectile in the game, meaning its going the direction of the spot you clicked

[feral roost]

played the crossbow for nearly 500 hours in my early times of hunt. never noticed that so idk

[feral roost]

never felt like it behaves that way

[native lodge]

I mean the clip is a very good way to see that being the case, as the spot on the door where the shotbolt lands, is where you begin making that shot

[cerulean wraith]

@jovial flint please post suggestions for 2 different weapons separately so that proper voting can be done

[jovial flint]

Thought I could hit two birds in one stone
Ok fine
Next time.

[cerulean wraith]

yeah

here's the thing, what if I'd like the Murata but wouldn't like the Kropatschek?

can't upvote one and downvote the other

[jovial flint]

Thought of having the both rifles to pass initial trials and then decide which to pick specifically later

[cerulean wraith]

don't think that's how that works

[late wind]

Lore tangential, but Japan has historically been intensely strict about importing and exporting weapons. Perhaps so much so in this universe that even the Carcass Gunrunner couldn't smuggle those rifles out.

[dim heron]

@maiden pelican

I missclicked while browsing on my phone and deleted your suggestion by accident 😭 please repost it

Title: Give Pax A Consolation Prize

Description: It deserves some sort of buff, especially with the variants added and teased for the scottfield (spitfire brawler). The scottfield is better than or about equal to the pax currently, while costing less and coming on free hunters anyway. Maybe give it 6/15 or a deadeye small slot variant.

[vague patio]

spitfire brawler tease?

where?

[steady vapor]

Pax Carbine with dum dum 🙂

[maiden pelican]

Truely the pax suffers forever

Hope for it springs eternal though

[steady vapor]

pax recoil is too rich for my taste when the cheaper options are so good

the range where the pax is better is not the range you want to be using a pistol really anyways, and at that point id rather just have an uppercut

[digital nacelle]

#moderatorsagainstcaldwellpax

[vague patio]

pax long barrel; worse ads, better hipfire, good muzzle velo, maybe slight damage up!

[cerulean wraith]

It's an interesting idea

[frosty garnet]

@primal holly, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
Matched regex in message in #game-ideas (#suggestions-ideas, 524577494863708180):

On the kill summery menu at the end of a match can you add a number next to someone you killed multiple times so you have a better understanding on where the kills came from and on who?```

[opaque mural]

This game dodge exploit needs to be looked at I think

[vague patio]

game dodge exploit?

[opaque mural]

People will ready up the leave instantly and avoid the penalty. People are using it to a with friends for the team modifier.

There is an exploit when you ready up to leave instantly to avoid the penalty.

[unborn dagger]

That would certainly explain why people are leaving so quickly

[frosty garnet]

@nimble lion, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
Matched regex in message in #game-ideas (#suggestions-ideas, 524577494863708180):

Ranked mode.```

[robust pewter]

wuts the next "OP" thing the community will parakeet out of existence?? my guess is shotty slugs next I can already see SG OP!! SLUGSOP!! as a good copy n paste

[queen jungle]

so true

[steady vapor]

Fanning and or slugs, anything that has an elevated RoF or that dominates in close range. Or on the other side of the spectrum, long ammo snipers. I personally think the game is in a decent spot balance wise.

[spare roost]

why not

[queen jungle]

would mean you have a way of knowing when the map is empty, the game keeps it vague on purpose

[steady vapor]

@visual owl I like the chokebomb tripmine idea, would have a hard time competing with the other trips unless it came with 4 of them though. The utility would be cool! Maybe slightly the price of the alerts/poison trips to $50 and make the choke mines the budget $30 option?

[crystal plume]

@round vapor Deleted your post in #feedback as you didn't really provide any kind of description with your video, and if your intent with the video was to show some kind of issue with the shotgun you might want to watch it in slow mo or frame by frame since your first shot was way off

[eager widget]

Also, it's Butcher, not meathead. Meatheads are the big boys that aren't bosses.

[spare roost]

yeah thats a brain gone moment

500 hrs btw

[eager widget]

It's alright :P

I'm not a fan of the idea, personally, as it tells you when the lobby's empty.

[steep lotus]

whats wrong with making extracting harder

[steady prism]

I ve already suggested something similar once....

People dont want the game to be harder it seems...

[steep lotus]

i dont want it to be harder

just to funnel people into pvp

[tawny meadow]

@steady vapor regarding the "more world object" suggestion. While i tend to agree that would be cool to have way more kind of interactive things and weapons, there is an important balance to keep. Too many items scattered around can become a problem imho. But yes, i would love to use a meat cleaver or a stool as a weapon.

[vague patio]

maybe let people play how they want

theres no point in making extracts harder or inaccessible

people have enough reasons to extract early

you cant and shouldnt force the players to a certain playstyle.
hunt is not a battle royal, and that has been a very positive point for it.

[tawny meadow]

^

[steep lotus]

@jovial flint mate you can't say that

shortening japan is racist

[jovial flint]

It’s a short form

[vague patio]

it is considered a slur

it has been used against japanese people, to devalue them

especially in war times

[steep lotus]

@jovial flint its a slur

[atomic cipher]

good point about making Cain the scapegoat actually

[jovial flint]

I didn’t mean as a derogatory statement

It’s taken out of context

If you want a correction fine,
I can make it happen

[calm hawk]

its obvious that you didn't mean it in a derogatory way but i suggest you change it

[jovial flint]

There changes made

[jovial flint]

Of course,
The whole paragraph wasn’t a patronising/hate statement on Japanese guns but of promoting the overlooked guns of the time period

[cerulean wraith]

@jovial flint that last image is interesting. The gun's appearance, with a full length barrel with no stock, is reminiscent of a Tanegashima (Samurai flintlock musket).

[calm hawk]

i personally like the idea, i wanna see more guns from around the world

[jovial flint]

Thank y’all

I hope the misunderstanding is cleared and buried
Ok

[cerulean wraith]

I personally think we should get more American guns. A Baby Rolling Block would be very appreciated, as would the Colt Lightning.

[eager widget]

How many of the guns are non-american?

Isn't Colt/Caldwell and Winchester/Winfield the only two that are american?

[jovial flint]

Rolling blocks are good, maybe high-velocity, mid tier dmg

[eager widget]

Wait, Sharps/Sparks might be american too

And Springfield.

[cerulean wraith]

Let's see. American guns we have rn: Derringer, conversion, scottfield, pax, Winfield 1873 and 76, Springfield, Sparks, Romero, Rival, Specter, 1887, auto-5. And possibly the Nitro.

[jovial flint]

Mosin
Nagant pistol
Lebel
Berthier
M. Henry

[eager widget]

What about the Dolch?

[cerulean wraith]

German

Same for Bornheim

[jovial flint]

Oh yeah those

[pallid idol]

The nitro is inspired by a british rifle iirc

[cerulean wraith]

No clue about the flare gun, that one is bri'ish iirc

[eager widget]

I feel like we've got a near equal mix of american and non american guns. I personally prefer non-american guns as they tend to get funky, and interesting. But I really do want a Colt Lightning/Caldwell Thunder

[cerulean wraith]

Another gun that could use iron devastator

[pallid idol]

I just find bizarre the absence of the Krag/springfield 1892

The LeMat supposedly is french too, although the one in hunt is somewhat fictive

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah the lemat ingame is a strange cartridge conversion & cartridge+breechloading conversion (shotgun barrel) of a lemat. The conversion is American made in all likelihood, but all the guns were manufactured in france

I guess the Bomblance is also American

[calm hawk]

rolling block would be nice, an alternative to sparks

[jovial flint]

What niche would it fill though?

[pallid idol]

The romero is fictive too, although it's name implies it's american

[cerulean wraith]

I suggested the baby rolling block specifically, so as to not intrude on the Sparks, Martini or Springfield. It would be a compact ammo single shot

[cerulean wraith]

Sort of a generic single shot shotgun. There were dozens of different designs of those.

[calm hawk]

i feel like guns not always have to fill a niche

[cerulean wraith]

They must not fill other weapons niches, that's the issue

[calm hawk]

people dont just play guns for the niche they will, they also play them for their feel history aesthetics

look at the cult of martini henry

[cerulean wraith]

Martini riposte best gun

Long live the king

[calm hawk]

if two guns fill the same niche then people will pick based on feel

[pallid idol]

A baby rolling could be a 2-slot given its size

[calm hawk]

mosin and betheir iron sight are quite close they essentially fill the same niche

berthier does everything mosin can but has 2 less shots and it even shoots faster

[cerulean wraith]

That's a very optimistic view of weapon balance. It doesn't really work that way unless you want to make the gun a reskin of another with identical stats. And at that point, why bother?

[digital nacelle]

and vetterli (swiss rifle I believe)

[cerulean wraith]

They're still pretty big. 3-slot (although 2 and 1 slot variants are very possible)

[calm hawk]

because you can monetize them

[cerulean wraith]

Stop right there.

This is a road to P2W

And you must stop right now

[calm hawk]

how

[cerulean wraith]

Better sights. Less obstructive on screen profile. Less intrusive animations.

[digital nacelle]

no they definitely do

[cerulean wraith]

Subtle shit.

[cerulean wraith]

Indeed they do.

[digital nacelle]

martini is better than sparks in a few ways

[calm hawk]

id rather they sell 800bb skins that do nothing to the gameplay than they add other sketch monetization shit

[digital nacelle]

the faster reload lets you be much more aggressive

the riposte is great

[cerulean wraith]

Indeed

[digital nacelle]

I prefer the sights (subjective)

and those who use lower velocity guns may actually prefer the 400 m/s because it’s more similar to what they are used to

[calm hawk]

would you guys agree that mosin and betheir are very similar in the niche they fill?

[jovial flint]

Yeah
I also gravitate towards guns with a lot of reserve ammo due my Fallout habit of hoarding ammo

[cerulean wraith]

It's not a stretch to start giving those skins Stat modifiers. And there you go.

Also you can't just reskin one weapon as another because the different guns behave differently irl and their depiction wouldn't have that realist that we have now.

[digital nacelle]

mosin is for those who prefer the extra mag size, berthier is significantly cheaper and has more reserve so easier to resupply

[pallid idol]

I'd say that the mosin is a better and more expensive berthier

[digital nacelle]

yes they’re similar but they have important differences

[jovial flint]

To me berthiers are quickchangers, meant to be aggressive

[digital nacelle]

namely the like $150 price difference lmao

[calm hawk]

thats wild conjecture that somehow addings skins(whichb they already add) will lead to them messing with stats

[digital nacelle]

personally I actually prefer the berthier to the mosin because of
a. the sights
b. it reloads so fast it’s like it’s a drum except with high reserve for resupply purposes

oh yeah and c it’s not $500

[calm hawk]

honestly berthier is practically better than mosin

[cerulean wraith]

It's not wild conjecture. It always starts out small and innocent enough, and then they twist the knife.

How many game companies have broken the "no guns in lootboxes" promise? Or the "no p2w" promise? Its not speculation, it's a trend and I'm tired of pretending it's not

Same with lootboxes. Fuck Mr. Chary

[calm hawk]

neon youre just spooked by mr chary

[cerulean wraith]

You're right. I'm scared of what they'll do with the bastard.

[digital nacelle]

tbh mr chary and I are best buds now

he gave me something other than $100 yesterday

[cerulean wraith]

Heretic

[digital nacelle]

75bb

[calm hawk]

this is heading into tinfoil hat zone

[digital nacelle]

so we’ve made up our differences

[cerulean wraith]

LET IT

It's not tinfoil hat if it's true.

Objectively provable.

[calm hawk]

i personally thing mr chary isnt bad for the game, it has no pay to win implication

[digital nacelle]

mr chary is chill with me as long as he gives me bb

[cerulean wraith]

And im tired of explaining it to every other person who seems to have completely missed the last 10 years of gaming developments.

[calm hawk]

you are missing something too

this is how the industry is now

[cerulean wraith]

THAT ISNT A VALID EXCUSE

[calm hawk]

games arent just made by passionate devs they also have suits and investors who only care about how profitable the project is

[eager widget]

[digital nacelle]

hold up man

I think there’s a pretty big difference

[calm hawk]

when one company does something scummy it puts pressure on other companies to do so as well or theg risk being seen as a unprofitable project

do there is real pressure on crytek to make hunt profitable

and id rather they do it in a way that is harmless like skins and shit

then later being in a situation where hunt is either ded because its not profitable enough or has sketch monetization

[eager widget]

Neon's back on his Mr. Chary is bad debate. You arguing will get you no where.

[cerulean wraith]

Okay here a better one, you'd go "this is what battlefield is now" when Dice launches the 2nd broken shitass game in a row, wouldn't you?

The status of the industry isn't an excuse. It's a scathing criticism and a call to do better

[calm hawk]

also the germany comment is weird af

[cerulean wraith]

Same logic really

[eager widget]

You mean "This is what Battlefield always has been"

[calm hawk]

no what im saying is if you think we are in an era where games can survive without monetization youre delusional

its already happened

[cerulean wraith]

But enough talk you lot seem to enjoy the thought of spanking real money on literal gambling, so I'll leave you to it. People like you are ruining the industry and you'll be to blame when Hunt gets fucked with f2p, lootboxes and gimped progression.

Have fun

[calm hawk]

i dont im setting realistic expectations

[cerulean wraith]

Realist expectation is 2022 are "whey will fuck it up" because most of the time that is exactly what happens.

[calm hawk]

i want them to add non invasive monetization so hunt DOESN'T turn into some f2p shit

[eager widget]

Whorse, I'm telling you, you're talking to a brick wall Even if you agree that you don't want money spent on gameplay things, he'll keep debating and trying to talk you into removing Chary entirely. Look at the past chats.

[cerulean wraith]

So why are you advocating for the fuckibg lootbox system then

[calm hawk]

maybe you have a point piston

[eager widget]

Anyways, back on the chat of guns

Colt Lightning/Caldwell thunder.

[cerulean wraith]

Enjoy

[cerulean wraith]

Yes.

[calm hawk]

cus honestly as it stands mr chary has no implication on actual gameplay

[eager widget]

What would it even be? Medium or compact?

[calm hawk]

and if it stays how it is , im cool with mr chary

[cerulean wraith]

Yet.

[eager widget]

Remove the pay for progression part, and I'm gucci too

I like him, just not quite with that part as it does make me uncomfortable.

[calm hawk]

noone really even has to get that

[eager widget]

Ye. I just don't like it, personally.

But anyways, Compact or medium 🤔

[cerulean wraith]

Honestly I'd be fine with that, but it's there for a reason and we all know what that is.

They won't remove it because money. That's a realistic expectation. if they do, it's a pleasant suprise.

[calm hawk]

3k xp is ezpz and there is nothing youd want, last reward also doesn't have higher chance for good stuff or anything

[eager widget]

We don't know this for certain, from what I know.

We don't even know the chances of each thing, or if it's flat across the board.

[calm hawk]

ig ill wait and see so far it seems like its same for each milestone

[eager widget]

Ye, we just can't say that you don't have greater odds at the end for better things or not. Cause it is essentially misinformation since we don't actually know it for certain.

[calm hawk]

but ill admit my sample size is about a week so idk

[eager widget]

Yeye. Anyways, Ima dip out and go continue rock and stoning. You have fun, lads.

[calm hawk]

also lets say last one was better

it would be in their favour to tell us that to incentivise us to spend 100bbs

[digital nacelle]

compact

[calm hawk]

why would they keep it a secret

[digital nacelle]

and give it fmj

[normal horizon]

I'm pretty sure it got mentioned on stream that they all have the same chance

[digital nacelle]

if anything my 2500xp rewards have all been consistently better than my 10000xp rewards

but it’s only been like a week so I’ll put that down to rng

[eager widget]

Did they :o Well, then I stand corrected if that is the case

[fossil frost]

Why not both medium and compact they did come chambered in .44-40 and .50-95 express could either be like the winnfields and have two separate trees or the the Caldwell conversion and have it start compact and unlock the medium much like the uppercut

[steady prism]

True, currently the only weapon chambered for different types of ammo is caldwell conversion...

Wouldnt mind another gun with 2 calibers

[solar monolith]

Well they aren’t touching any of the other legendary hunter, and while, Cain may be hard for people to see, so are others but they are totally ignoring that. You don’t have to nerf them one at a time. Just do it across the board

[atomic cipher]

there's definitely a reason or two for that

[frosty garnet]

@glass vale, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
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[steady vapor]

I certainly would not want the map to be cluttered either 👍 Crytek plz 😭

@jovial flint Love your suggestion with the Japanese weapons. Hunt is obviously not WW2 but the bolt action Arisaka rifle in CoDWaW had the best iron sights ever, would love to see something similar.

[late wind]

Crytek fucks up iron sights all the time. You think they'd get this right if they added it?

[jovial flint]

If they stretch the timeline, they could have the Arisaka Type 30 at 1899

[late wind]

If we get another bolt gun, it really needs to be the Krag.

[steady vapor]

they were better than a lot of the hunt irons but it's a WW2 era bolt action so irrelevant I guess lol, gonna take a look at the Ari Type 30

[late wind]

Yeah what they look like is kind of the point here. Because while there it is, if it was added, Crytek would intentionally mess it up.

I don't actually know what arisaka sights look like irl though. So I'm no expert.

[steady vapor]

I would love more boltys but what gameplay niche would the krag or arisaka fill?

[steady vapor]

me neither I'm lookin right now tho

[late wind]

The krag would be a cheap long ammo option with low damage but high rof. And no need for bulletgrubber.

[steady vapor]

"The Type 30 rifle Arisaka (三十年式歩兵銃, Sanjū-nen-shiki hoheijū, 'year 30 type infantry firearm') is a box-fed bolt-action repeating rifle that was the standard infantry rifle of the Imperial Japanese Army from 1897 (the 30th year of the Meiji period, hence "Type 30") to 1905." This is an earlier model than the WW2 type 99 model so maybe that one has diff irons I'll check edit: type 99 has a circular sight as well as a box sight like the silenced sparks.

[late wind]

30-40 is kind of a weak cartridge compared to 8mm Lebel or 54R. So it would be weaker shooting and less recoiling. But the bolt is super smooth. And the gate would mean you don't need bulletgrubber.

[steady vapor]

Higher than the Vett? Would be pretty fast but I'm all for it if balanced well, love me some bolt actions

[late wind]

A Krag is way easier to work than a Vetterli irl.

Way easier.

Like. You breathe on a Krag and it cycles.

Fuck irl a Lebel is easier to bolt than a Vetterli.

[steady vapor]

Thinking of gameplay niche's for new bolt actions, they could always go the CS:S scout way and give one higher movespeed like a side arm. Trying to think what else they could do

[late wind]

Higher movement speed while ADS could be a cool mechanic.

[cerulean wraith]

Speaking of sights, this is how the Mosin's sights should look like. That shit on the sides is the sight base.

[late wind]

Add the hood to the front sight. Then it's perfect.

[cerulean wraith]

M91 mosins didn't have it. That's an M91/30 thing.

[steady vapor]

not a fan of those scottfield style flat sights, they are good for body shots but harder to click heads with (in my opinion), I hate how thin the mosin and winfield ironsight tips are, they blend with too many surfaces, while the winnie centenial has that thicker iron tip that doesnt get lost.

[late wind]

Good point. Either way I'd rather see this than what's in game.

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah the sight isn't modeled correctly. It's too rectangular and too tall

[late wind]

Also too open.

[cerulean wraith]

and it doesn't look to be set to the cca 100m battle zero, but to a higher elevation

[late wind]

And the bolt handle should be straight.

[cerulean wraith]

i think its made open to be more usable. it's difficult to model sights correctly in games.

[cerulean wraith]

fun fact, a dev diary video shows it with a straight bolt handle.

[late wind]

Lmao yet they made the Lebel's sights artifically narrow to make longer shots with irons extra difficult.

They did the Lebel dirty. Especially now that the Berthier exists.

[cerulean wraith]

i have yet to find a still of the lebel's irons

may have to skim over the C&Rsenal video

[late wind]

Above is a late lattern. Below is an early pattern.

The lower picture is a bit fuzzy, but the front post is a barely corn style front post. Triangular.

[cerulean wraith]

C&Rsenal screengrab. These are the original sights

Weirdly asymmetrical

[normal horizon]

fun fact it got the bent bolt handle because of scopes

[cerulean wraith]

I guessed that was why

[late wind]

Those are the battle sights of an early pattern.

[cerulean wraith]

ingame le belle sights

rounded around the edges, but generally okay

they also seem too tall or set to an elevation greater than battle zero

[jovial flint]

My thoughts exactly with my Danish friend

[late wind]

Nah see the in-game is using the full size rear leaf, which is fine on its own. But then they've gone and inflated the size and width of the front post. So it occludes more of your view.

[feral roost]

i would like to see a kar98k ^^

[cerulean wraith]

thing is, do we really need another long ammo gun? and one that can be reloaded at any time without bulletgrubber?

[cerulean wraith]

anacronistic by over 40 years (adopted in 1936 iirc)

[feral roost]

the kar 98 went into the army in the year 1898 as a long variant later in ww2 they used the kar98k

as far as i know

[ionic kernel]

could add it after other ammunition type rifles have been added

its not like there's a cap on how many guns there'll be

[cerulean wraith]

true but at some point you run into weapon oversaturation and balance issues.

[ionic kernel]

guess so

a shame tho

[tropic pebble]

Skill-based matchmaking...

[steady prism]

not really

[cerulean wraith]

there is no such thing as a "Kar 98"
there is:

• Gewehr 98 (still anacronistic by 2-3 years)
• Gewehr 98A (WW1 era carbine)
• Gewehr 98B (WW1 era Gewehr 98 with G98A style sights; later adopted as the "Karabiner 98B")

[steady prism]

its actually the very same weapon that they used in WW1, tho they had to do some renaming sorcery to make them pass as nonmilitary rifles

[cerulean wraith]

the Gewehr 98A and the Kar 98K are distinct guns, and both are anacronistic as of 1895/6.

[steady prism]

Karabiner 98 Kurz actually means Carbine mod.98 "Short"... even tho the rifle was standart full size military musket, germoney got banned from producing large amounts of military equipment so they did this renaming crap to make these rifle pass as a "police carbines"

[cerulean wraith]

You've got it a bit mixed up

[steady prism]

Ye it has some new parts here and there but its still the old system overall

[unborn smelt]

there's more anacronistic ones than a gewehr tho

[cerulean wraith]

The K98K is a universal short rifle. What you're describing is the Gewehr 98B, renamed into Karabine 98A so they could keep them because the length of "carbine" was not determined by the Versailles treaty.

anyway

if y'all want a Gewehr you're stuck with the 88.

or some other mauser gun

[steady prism]

and honestly why would we want that

[unborn smelt]

Who are you to judge that ?

[steady prism]

you can play literally any other WW2 game to do so

[unborn smelt]

the regular G98 is perfectly fine seeing as the Auto5 is also a thing

[cerulean wraith]

the Auto-5 was prototyped and produced since 1892 in-lore. you can see it on the back of the gun.

[steady prism]

lets just hope that they WONT add any more bolt action long rifles and do something low end instead

[cerulean wraith]

you could go with a Spanish Mauser, 1893 model. it's close enough to a guhwehrhrhrhr ninteyeit

and yeah, Zapper's right

enough long ammo boltguns

[unborn smelt]

In lore

[cerulean wraith]

(for now...?)

[unborn smelt]

so we could just as well change the G98 lore wise...

[cerulean wraith]

but why would you when the Spanish Mauser exists

honestly I think backdating the auto-5 was not the best idea

[unborn smelt]

Because one can.

because people might like it more than a spanish mauser

[cerulean wraith]

sure, one can, but is it a smart decision?

[feral roost]

hrmpf well then the gewehr 98 are completely different idc. but if you are completely precise about that topic then kick out the awtomat

[unborn smelt]

Well there's not much against it

other than some might be upset because 1895 not 1898 - but then again we already have that "issue" with other ones

[late wind]

I'm for removing anything made after 1895.

[cerulean wraith]

the spanish mauser looks like a gewehr 98 carbine, and you don't have to do timey wimey stuff to get it to fit in-lore.

[cerulean wraith]

i'm for progressing the game's date to 1896.

(and changing the auto-5's markings to 1896 to make it less bad lore-wise)

[crystal plume]

They can add a steampunk M16 for all I care if it's fun, balanced and thematically fitting

[cerulean wraith]

how about no?

[late wind]

If we do that go full send and make the years change as long as the game is in service. 1896. 1897. So on year after year.

[cerulean wraith]

nah, the event probably didnt last that long

[late wind]

Eh. Dipshits can ensure plagues last years.

[fossil frost]

More guns is more guns to me as long as it fits thematically a few years here or there can be fudged I enjoy the gunplay in the game and variety never hurts

[cerulean wraith]

im a bit of a lore nut so this shit bothers me

I even cooked up a whole fan theory to explain the Avtomat's existance

[feral roost]

tell me the difference between a german mauser gewehr 98 and the spanish one pls

[cerulean wraith]

gewehr 98 is longer, has different sight, bolt handle, and cartridge

[unborn smelt]

caliber for a start

[feral roost]

and the date of production ?

[cerulean wraith]

1893 vs 1898.

[feral roost]

is there another bolt system in it ?

[crystal plume]

You could easily make the argument that something like zombies and demons and whatnot would most likely ramp up weapon development

[cerulean wraith]

The Spanish mauser would probably be better, since it's in 7x57mm as opposed to the 7.92x57 of the Gewehr. The lower damage could be used to make it distinct from the other 8mm guns.

[cerulean wraith]

that's my working theory for the Auto-5, the guns are Browning's handmade prototypes and the 1892 date is a spoof.

[unborn smelt]

The spanish mauser would fit very well, both thematically and balance wise

i just don't think that's a good reason to not add a G98

[cerulean wraith]

well I think it would be too similar to the Mosin, and hence be a poor candidate when other, more distinct guns could be added

[feral roost]

cant find anything special about a spanish mauser could you send me a website or something i can read about it especially its date of production ?

[cerulean wraith]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_Model_1893

[feral roost]

thx interesting.

as far as i can see it would make not difference if you add the spanish one or the kar98 /gewehr 98 (both are basicly the same shit . there are just minor differences and these are not really that interesting for a game like hunt). so i dont get the point u are trying to make here

[feral roost]

its like telling me na i dont want a minimi in squad i want an m249 saw. basicly same gun just other names

caliber is not important in hunt.

or not that important

[cerulean wraith]

you already have it

le avto

[queen jungle]

Instead of the Mauser a Mannlicher 1888 would be a straightpull bolt action

[queen jungle]

and iirc has also en-bloc esque mags

[feral roost]

O.o that was just an example. if could decide it i would kick the awto out of the game

[crystal plume]

I just want this and a martini pistol

[queen jungle]

since lebel and mosin are not straight pull bolts you got a slight (maybe enough) divergence there to make the gun feel distinct

[cerulean wraith]

This drilling may be interesting. The Martini pistol is a genious idea and I have no clue why we don't already have it

[queen jungle]

i'd prefer an over under shotgun with internal hammers though over external ones.

aesthetics!

[cerulean wraith]

if we're gonna go straight pull, I'd rather go with the M1894 Mondragon or the M1895 Lee-Navy. Both could be either Medium or Special ammo.

The Mondragon itself is very interesting because it has a "slamfire" fire mode

so it could be made basically full auto in hipfire

[queen jungle]

all valid entries i'd say

medium ammo has too few choices anyway

[cerulean wraith]

I'd say that's not true, you have 3

compact ammo only has 1.

long ammo has 5 already

[queen jungle]

???? XD Poor centennial

always left out

[steady vapor]

Update 1.7.3 > Krag, Mauser, Arisaka and Gewehr 98 added 🥰 🥰 🥰

[feral roost]

i would like to see a musket that would be funny

[digital nacelle]

need more compact ammo rifles

[cerulean wraith]

I play centennial. I enjoy it a lot, and its the gun im learning to snipe with.

[queen jungle]

@feral roost nah they upgraded the muskets to cartridges already. springfield would've been the case otherwise XD

[steady vapor]

Yeah a musket would be cool, part of hunt is just the sheer variety of cool old guns that aren't in other FPS games. I don't care if it's bad just would be cool to have even if a meme weapon lol.

[feral roost]

but i would like to have one anyways 😄

[queen jungle]

that is one step away from having a blunderbuss with kitchen hardware shots

i'm all for shooting knives

[steady vapor]

Probably the most outlandish thing I've ever suggested was a wristblade sorta like assassins creed but steampunk, would allow you to use knife while still holding another weapon. Everyone hated and downvoted the shit out of it lol.

just make it look steampunk/1890 style lol, idc what people say I think it would be fuckin sick. Yeah and of course you could shoot the knife

[feral roost]

hmm maybe u could make it a one shot at 30 meters or so with high reload time and big smoke cloud also you have to stand still to reload. think that would balance it

[steady vapor]

better example, bring on the hate lol I think it would be so cool

Could allow you to use your knife while holding a pistol without having to switch weapons or something? idk but I want it

(I know this has a 0% chance of ever even being considered to add to hunt but I think its cool and could fit)

[digital nacelle]

true true

[cerulean wraith]

compact ammo is the only ammo type we dont have a single shot for

aside special, but the nitro is just 2 single shots welded together lol

[feral roost]

would be funny but pretty useless i think

[cerulean wraith]

10 dollar gun

[feral roost]

i take 10 😄

[steady vapor]

nobody cares about my wristblade 🤬 lmao

[cerulean wraith]

but, say, best compact accuracy and range (I have an entire suggestion for it)

[cerulean wraith]

idk, it doesnt really fit imo

[digital nacelle]

make it do 125 dmg hahahaha

[steady vapor]

totally fair, I know it's a stretch, but so cool

[digital nacelle]

1s reload

[queen jungle]

i wouldn't enjoy players having the Assassin boss special melee as a tool XD (which is dual wristblades + shooting them)

[digital nacelle]

op gun

I can already tell

[steady vapor]

this one looks more 1890 appropriate

[queen jungle]

Better idea: Boot knife

kick 'em where it hurts

[cerulean wraith]

I'd give the Rem BRB the best reload speed of all single shots. Maybe 115 damage, best accuracy and range for the ammo type. And give it Winnie's FMJ.

[digital nacelle]

better idea: knife with handle, that you can hold
would be a nice addition

[cerulean wraith]

. . .

[digital nacelle]

no 125 dmg

[queen jungle]

yes that is way less hindrance @digital nacelle

[digital nacelle]

and 1s reload

[cerulean wraith]

i think 125 is a bit too much for compact, that is medium territory

[digital nacelle]

ikr ima genius

[queen jungle]

next we get weird kusari-gama for the eastern inspired hunters XD

[digital nacelle]

long ammo single shot 143 - medium ammo single shot 136 - logically, small ammo single shot 129

but I’ll be generous and say 125

[cerulean wraith]

there's a world of differentce between the Springfield's round and .44-40

[digital nacelle]

exactly which is why I say 125 and not 129

[cerulean wraith]

the already existing .44-40 guns do 107 and 110 damage, respectively.

[digital nacelle]

yes and cent does only 123 but springfield does 136

[cerulean wraith]

centennial's damage is weird.

[digital nacelle]

yes but that’s the way it is

not to mention sparks does 149 and berthier only 130

so clearly you have a lot of play with dmg

it’s not that clear cut

[cerulean wraith]

Spark's bullet and powder charge are much greater than the Berther's

that makes sense

[digital nacelle]

I mean agreed

but so would this compact ammo singleshot thing

my point is even though it’s technically the same bullet it’s 19 dmg more due to other factors

so surely a 15 dmg bonus from winfield is not that bad

[steady vapor]

Imagine how many thumbs down the bomb lance would have gotten if someone posted it in #game-ideas before it was added lmao

[cerulean wraith]

yeah no you can't fudge that.

[digital nacelle]

?

[digital nacelle]

I mean yeah

[cerulean wraith]

not many I'd imagine

[digital nacelle]

blance sucks balls

worst pvp 3 slot in the game

[cerulean wraith]

I disagree.

[digital nacelle]

what’s worst then

[cerulean wraith]

it depends on what you're doing.

[digital nacelle]

they need to fix the accuracy of the projectile or make it a 2 slot

and combat axe should be a 1 slot but more expensive

[digital nacelle]

that’s true blance is great if you’re a pve farmer

[cerulean wraith]

i think its okay as it is. everything makes sense size-wise

[digital nacelle]

I mean it makes sense because of how big it is

[cerulean wraith]

you've obviously never zerg rushed a team with the spear and lived.

[digital nacelle]

but it sucks ass as it is rn

[digital nacelle]

I mean, I have, but not often, because they can shoot at me with guns lmao

[cerulean wraith]

you're bringing an explosive crossbow with a blade strapped to it to a gun fight. you've gotta play smart.

[digital nacelle]

no you aren’t

[cerulean wraith]

and when you do the enemy stands to chance against your massive as fuck blade

[digital nacelle]

comparing blance to explosive crossbow is just not it

[cerulean wraith]

its a slower firing explosive xbow with no ADS. but it's also a melee weapon

[digital nacelle]

or maybe they can stay like 10 meters away

lmfao

[digital nacelle]

it really isn’t though

explosive crossbow has way more ammo and splash damage

not to mention its way more accurate in hipfire than blance

[cerulean wraith]

I really enjoy the concept itself. It reminds me of RWBY, if you ever watched that.

and yeah its more balanced for PvE.

[digital nacelle]

I haven’t

[cerulean wraith]

but its not useless for pvp

no weapon is, if you play right.

[digital nacelle]

it’s the worst 3 slot you can take

[cerulean wraith]

again, not if you play it right.

[digital nacelle]

obviously it isn’t useless against players but it’s damn close

[native lodge]

because melee is damn near useless against players in general

[digital nacelle]

what does this even mean it has the lowest skill ceiling of any 3 slot

[native lodge]

not really just and axe issue but the axe feels it the most

[digital nacelle]

probably the lowest skill floor too LOL

[cerulean wraith]

*highest skill ceiling and floor because playing melee in an FPS is tough as balls

[digital nacelle]

yeah definitely not

it has very little potential

compared to other weapons

bomblance needs to have better projectile accuracy and work with bolt thrower

then it would actually be pretty good

imagine bomblance but crossbow hipfire acc

I’d love that

[cerulean wraith]

that's it exactly, because its hard to use against players it has a high skill ceiling

[native lodge]

there reaches a point where the weapon is to simplistic to have high skill ceiling no matter how hard you try

the axe is like that

[cerulean wraith]

kinda hard to work with bolt thrower when the bolt explodes, dont you think

[digital nacelle]

that’s not what high skill ceiling even means

[digital nacelle]

not at all

bolt thrower is a reload perk

it would just have him put the bolt on while he pulls the thing back

[cerulean wraith]

oh, right yeah

[digital nacelle]

no reason why that doesn’t work with bomblance

[cerulean wraith]

that is a 🤔

but other than that I think its mostly fine

[cerulean wraith]

xbow has 1/4 now

the bomb lance is a worse crossbow and a 3-slot axe, but it's both at the same time and that counts for something.

[vagrant whale]

I think neon may have been thinking of blade seer when they mentioned the exploding bolt

[cerulean wraith]

yeah that was my mistake

[digital nacelle]

that’s half

[cerulean wraith]

that's all the explosive you get, and in a comparison with the Bomb lance that says a lot

like I said, worse crossbow and a 3-slot axe, but both simultaneously.

[cerulean wraith]

@wanton carbon no prestige exclusive variants. that is bullshit

[wanton carbon]

@cerulean wraith why so you cant sit at p0 with 200K ?

[cerulean wraith]

because some people just don't wanna start all over again

ive played for what, 400 hours?

and I still don't have all the variants unlocked.

therefore I'm at P0.

and I'm not even considering prestiging because I like to use all of my arsenal.

I'm all for more prestige incentive, but prestige-to-win is not a good way of doing things.

[wanton carbon]

how is that even possible i have been on p 100 for less than 150hrs and have everything -_-

[cerulean wraith]

because I don't prestige?

also my first 100 or so hours I was complete trash

but yeah