feedback-discussion

[steady prism]

i was legit crouching all the time

[unborn dagger]

Seems like they panicked a bit causing them to miss

[steady prism]

i guess they did

meanwhile my duo was camping in the bush outside bcs fuck bounty 😄

[rancid jay]

why is it using all the cpu? why does it use so little video card power? Only discord is open while playing games. and this is the result. The update made the game even worse.

[outer wedge]

Berthier - 3/6 - 130dmg - 590ms - 36rf - 3s R - 356$ // Lebel - 10/5 - 132dmg - 630ms - 34rf - 18s R - 397$ // Mosin - 5/10 - 136dmg - 615ms - 34rf - 4s R - 490$ - Berthier should be arround 290$ maybe 312$ with 3/9

[steady prism]

nah i think berthier is good where it is imo

and its 3/12

15 rounds total

[outer wedge]

hmm its says 3/6 on my game

[steady prism]

thats odd...

i just played with it and it has 3/12

mby ill find le clip

[outer wedge]

i can just go play it, i never bought it because of that lol

but why buy it when u have lebel xD

[steady prism]

i mean its much cooler than lebel

and as a short-ish distance long ammo rifle its very good

reloads almost instantly

[outer wedge]

imo at that price it does not compete with Lebel, maybe that's just me

[steady prism]

and doesnt have that slow ass lebel cocking animation

I honestly dont really think that lebel is any competetive

sure... 10 rds mag... but does anyone really need that much bullets in bolt action rifle?

and it just feels horrible with that dumb animations

like seriously... they should have just make it slightly better than mosin

that feels extrabad

[outer wedge]

i prefer lebel over nagant as well xD maybe its the iron sight , but i land more shots with Lebel over any over weapon, i don't have problem with the slower bolt action, anyway, check the bug reports, i posted a screen there 3/6

[steady prism]

lebel just looks so much better than mosin

[outer wedge]

i have to do a full day of berthier then, but still i feel it overprice for what is competes agaisnt

[steady prism]

and is nearly as overused in games

no seriously... berthier feels great imo

i mostly shoot at <30

but it feels great imho

[outer wedge]

well, since day one, i still think, in Hunt, any weapon is viable, so in the end of the day its just a preference thing

[steady prism]

that is true...

[empty oasis]

@queen jungle I'm not sure what you're bitching about? The 100bb is only if you want that last chance immediately and it has the same loot pool as all the rest. You could have got the Hunter skin or you couldve gotten the low hunt dollar reward. It's random and if you dont want to spend the bbs then just play another few rounds

[digital nacelle]

@outer wedge how is berthier overpriced? it is the cheapest long ammo repeater

[bronze quail]

@steady prism
1- level can't be better than mosin cause it's cheaper
2-the only strong element of lebel is the projectile speed. Lebel is almost an hitscan under 100m and that's why it's good (specially the marksman version), nobody cares about the 10 round magazine.

[steady prism]

Ye but its been made worse than mosin

It didnt had to be

[outer wedge]

@digital nacelle for what it offers, i feel its should be like 300$ tops, if they increase the ammo pool or it realy is 3/12

[digital nacelle]

it's 3/12

15 bullets total

just like any other repeater

lmao

if anything it should be more expensive imo

[outer wedge]

i just take lebel over it, 40$ its not worth imo, like i said its all preference in the end of the day, and when i look to the 3 options, i won't take it over nagant or lebel

maybe if it was a bit cheaper

[digital nacelle]

I'd say it's better than lebel

10/5 is a terrible ammo economy

I need an uppercut to play lebel, but not for berthier

and yet the clip reload is so fast it might as well have a massive magazine

[floral sleet]

Thank for another shit patch

Thanks for optimisation

[empty oasis]

It's literally free money. For the lower star people thats enough for a budget loadout

[floral sleet]

You wasting a lot money for pc and still got shit fps

[gray yoke]

one thing I hate this game is that when you crouch you don't really aiming better than standing and walking left and right... unrealistic

[crystal plume]

What do you mean, it does affect both hip fire reticle with most weapons as well as weapons sway in ADS

[gray yoke]

try stand and walk left and right and shoot a real rifle or pistol, you will see what I mean

[gray yoke]

what I mean then is that this game is better for those who play good with shooting but not good for those who play with hidding style

[queen jungle]

@digital nacelle NO

[digital nacelle]

spitfire is just too good

[queen jungle]

NOOO,

[digital nacelle]

it has the best of all worlds really

besides MV

[queen jungle]

ur not getting my fav new gun nerfed

[digital nacelle]

it's strong

no way it doesn't receive balancing

[queen jungle]

stfu

maybe it will finally bring the uppercut pickrate back to earth

[digital nacelle]

uppercut needs a nerf as well

that is separate from spitfire

[queen jungle]

it won’t get one

[digital nacelle]

perhaps

but spitfire will

and it needs one

it's too strong

[queen jungle]

nope

knee jerk reaction

[digital nacelle]

it's not

it's just too good stat wise

[queen jungle]

ur absolutely jerking that knee

[digital nacelle]

think about it

[queen jungle]

stfu

let fun weapons exist

[digital nacelle]

the only bad part compared to scottfield is slightly worse recoil and hipfire?

I think that it should have reduced damage or mv since it has a shorter barrel

[queen jungle]

the base scottfield is trash though

[digital nacelle]

I agree

it could use a buff as well

[queen jungle]

you’re coping

spitfire is fine

[digital nacelle]

but the spitfire is just too far, it should have about 55 to 60 rpm

not 77

[queen jungle]

it’d be trash that low

[digital nacelle]

even 60 rpm would be a 50% increase in firerate

I highly disagree

77 is almost double most single action revolvers!

[queen jungle]

and?

[digital nacelle]

what downside does the spitfire have to warrant a ~85% fire rate increase?

[queen jungle]

officer is even faster

[digital nacelle]

yes, officer has other downsides

it has poor range and damage

only 30 meters two tap range and can't even one tap someone revived who has resilience

[queen jungle]

you’re on copium

[digital nacelle]

frankly, I don't think it helps your argument to just say I'm on copium when I present valid points

[queen jungle]

literally first day give it some time too see where it pans our

instead of knee jerk crying for nerfs instantly

[digital nacelle]

this isn't "instant"

I've been playing with it for several hours

[queen jungle]

NERF NERF NERF alternatives to mosin uppercut aren’t allowed to be good!

[digital nacelle]

you clearly don't see the point...

[unborn smelt]

I mean i agree it might be too strong

[digital nacelle]

I don't understand how a shorter barrel doesn't affect dmg or velocity

[unborn smelt]

but i really don't wasnt to see it overnerfed too fast either

[digital nacelle]

I mean, I agree

[unborn smelt]

that happened a lot in the past so i'd say give it at least 4-8 weeks before doing anything

let the hype of it being new die down and reevaluate then

[digital nacelle]

I'm open to suggestions to balancing

[queen jungle]

1 day and you already want it gutted into worthlessness

[digital nacelle]

I never said that...

[unborn smelt]

however stat wise it definetly has the potential to be very very strong, being a single action so no extra sway and can use fanning, with a RoF to nearly rival the officer and dmg currently exceeding Dolch dmg

[queen jungle]

I think it should be 130 hunt dollars and that’s it tbh

[digital nacelle]

just that it's a bit too strong

the tone of my post was not "omg overpowered nerf now"

but I do think it needs a little balancing

[unborn smelt]

what really bugged me today when playing it was that it's got such a great firerate with barely any drawback to it as well as making a lot of other stuff obsolete

like scottfield P on it's own is cool - and it'd be a great higher Rof version - if the spitfire didn't exist

spitfire is also only 8$ more than a pax for nearly the same stats everywhere but nearly 70% better Rof

And It's not like it gets the extra sway they added to semi autos to discourage spamming them either, because technically it is a single action

That's what i see with a bit of worry - but pls no hasty nerfs again. Let the hype settle and then evaluate it

[pure jewel]

yeah, it's barely been a day, and people already asking for nerfs for new things, it only seems strong cause everyones using it

give it a bit of time to find its place in the game, then we can know if it may need balancing or not

[unborn smelt]

I think its strong potentially even too strong

The stats are bonkers and it played accordingly for me today

But still i dont wanna se it overnerfed like the bow because they react too fast to early complaints

[pure jewel]

the bow is fine

[queen jungle]

MooseGoneMade raises a good point. Chary is nothing but loot boxes reskinned. The servers and performance continue to degrade while Hunt continues to be ever increasingly monetized. EU Parliament has posted various studies on the negative effects of loot boxes.

[digital nacelle]

I mean, both on paper and in game it’s really good

I think it’s pretty clear a single action revolver with 77 rpm and only worse hipfire is not very balanced

[subtle elbow]

It's not lootboxes in the least. You don't pay for them, it's simply a small reward for earning XP in the game

[queen jungle]

The last step you can pay blood bucks that are real world money equivalent.

shrug don't care

it's a loot box, skinner box, roulette wheel for loot

[subtle elbow]

Only once and towards the end.

Not remotely like lootboxes

[hot vigil]

Well, then we need to ask ourselves, "why is that a feature we can pay for towards the end?"
It might not be a straight up 1 for 1 transaction for random goods. But things gets implemented for reason.

[subtle elbow]

It's option for those that want it I guess, but it's not worth 100b.

And it's only available at the end of of the progression from my understand Available for the last 1500-2000 xp of the line

So it's not like you can pay BB at the start of the line to progress

[hot vigil]

Mhm, that is where people would be the most tempted to spend the money.

The system is set up to make people think: "I come so far, but it will reset soon enough, so I guess I'll drop a 100bb to max it out".

I think it is important that we take a hard look at this game and see how many venues it tries to make us spend bloodbonds, big and small.

[subtle elbow]

It doesn't make you spend bloodbonds in any way.

You make the decision to spend blood bonds. The game doesn't force you to

There are options to spend bb for those that want it, bc you can passively earn bloodbonds every match

[hot vigil]

It doesn't force you no.
But it does damn try to make you spend them and it hopes that you would spent a little more money on buying those bloodbonds.
This is a business not a charity.

And you and I might be able to gauge what is "worth" spending these BB on and if we wanna buy some more. But in any case with these kinds of monetization models, we are not the target then.

[subtle elbow]

Except it doesn't try to make you spend them. Nowhere does it say that you should spend you bloodbonds on these things. You spending bloodbonds is a you decision. Not the game's

It's simply an option. An option you can easily ignore

An option that many do ignore.

[hot vigil]

Again, we are not the target then. But you can't say they implemented this whole system without intending to turn a profit over.

[subtle elbow]

Sure. It's another option to make money on. But many games do this. So long as it doesn't force you and doesn't provide a gameplay advantage, there is no issue

[hot vigil]

I feel that just because other games does something, should make anything free of criticism.
On the contrary, I do think it is quite alarming that a game that sells itself as 40EUR and have over 200EUR worth of DLC also sees the need to nick and dime its users for basic services such as loadouts slots and "cleaning weapons", a feature that was implemented with a BB solution in mind.

Not to bring up those people who lives compulsive gambling behaviour which the new system for sure will prey on.

[subtle elbow]

Well, you earn BB every match, enough to clean a weapon

And the DLC is just skins. Completely optional

It's not like they're pulling a paradox and locking core features behind DLCs

I also suspect that game sales is not enough to keep the game afloat.

It's understandable that multiplayer games nowadays need a more reliable income than just game sales to keep afloat

Bc game development has gotten a lot more expensive

Servers especially

[hot vigil]

Sorry this is a lot of statements, so I'll do them a little systematic:
1: Sure you earn BB to clean weapons, but the idea is bleed players out on BB with all the many small services, so the eventually would consider spending money to buy BB.
2: DLC skins are completely option that is true and least of my issue, it is more to point out there is plenty of ways people can support Hunt if they wanna spend more money.
3: If you create a service/business that can't keep itself afloat, it shouldn't be the customers that suffers for that.
4: The server expenses of Hunt sure ain't reflective of the gameplay experience.

I get that Crytek wanna earn money, that is a given and I get Hunt is a life services, so it needs a ongoing team of developers that of course should be compensated fairly.
But I can't say my enjoyment of the game have gotten up over the years when I just have seen a visible more aggressive monetization push down on the players because of that.
It is a factual truth that opportunities for earning BB have gone down and venues for spending them have gotten up. More so have the amount of time limited events, which eagerly presses the player to compulsively spend BB on various offers.
Either you are wilfully ignorant to see what kind business practices that are being pulled or you just are ignorant on how these kind of models and practices works. In either case I would happily provide the information needed.

[unborn dagger]

Well said

Especially for number 3

[hot vigil]

And by all means, I mean no ill for Crytek and especially the team that works on this and I do hope they get compensated fairly for all this hard work they are doing.

[ripe basalt]

@elder elm Your post in #feedback is being deleted because it is a bug report, not actual feedback. Please use the correct channels, thanks.

[ruby violet]

So many no skill ass bitches wanna keep explosive bolts in the game lmao

[ripe basalt]

@crystal hemlock Your post in #feedback is being deleted because it is a Suggestion/fanart and not actual feedback. Feel free to repost it in the correct channels, thanks.

[ruby violet]

@ruby magnet if the suggestions just so happen to coincide with the dev team wrecking what this game used to be, it’s still a suggestion

I/e nerfing aim punch on a OHK weapon is pointless

I/e nerfing everything expect the actual damage of explosive bolts is a pointless move by the dev team. Reducing the ammo count too, you don’t need to run util when you have it, you can just run 3-4 ammo boxes anyways. So uhhhh? Fuck this update and the devs for that shit

[queen jungle]

explo bolts aren’t 1 hit kill

[ruby violet]

What game you been playing

[ripe basalt]

@fringe herald Your post in #feedback is not feedback at all, instead a question. Please use the correct channels, thanks.

[queen jungle]

they literally just aren’t

explo bolts aren’t even particularly strong

skill issue tbh

[ruby violet]

Lmao I had a 9 kill game backed by a 6 kill game step off kid

[ripe basalt]

@mossy sonnet Your post in #feedback is a bug report, please use the correct channel for bug reports, thanks.

[pure jewel]

they can if you hit an enemy hunter

[ruby violet]

If you hit them dead on it’s OHK

[pure jewel]

not splash damage, but direct hits will

[ruby violet]

Yup

[queen jungle]

same thing with regular and shot bolts

[ruby violet]

Kayot is the crossbow user

[queen jungle]

you’re complaining about something thr crossbow does regularly

[ruby violet]

Regular bolts don’t do AOE

It’s a dual purpose no skill weapon

[queen jungle]

regular bolts have a lot better firing trajectory

[ruby violet]

It completely nullifies the bomb lance

[queen jungle]

bomb lance is a whole seperate issue

[ruby violet]

Yes if you use regular bolts and you miss then you’re SOL

[ripe basalt]

@trim ingot You are posting a a question in #feedback where #feedback is for actual coherent feedback, not game questions. #game-questions can be used instead. Please use the correct channels, thanks.

[ruby violet]

But explosive bolts even if you miss it’s still dmg, so it’s low risk high reward

[pure jewel]

well you're not supposed to be using the bomblances harpoons as it's main use in pvp

[ruby violet]

Kayot is the xplosive bow user

[queen jungle]

skill issue

lol implications

[ruby violet]

Didn’t say you should

[ruby violet]

Lol you have a .5 kd

[queen jungle]

my most used weap is nagant officer carbine cope kid

[ruby violet]

Sure kid

Camps in bushes with a crowd snow

[queen jungle]

coping mad kid who’s mad coz he can’t aim and gets rekt by crossbow

[ruby violet]

lmao I don’t tho

I still win

It’s just lame as shit

[queen jungle]

then y r u complaining

[ruby violet]

Because it’s unbalanced

[ruby magnet]

That still does not excuse you from properly formulating your displeasure and actually stating that you're questioning someone's sanity.
Or stating that as a hard fact.
Criticism can be negative as long as people keep it tidy. You're allowed to be angry but at least have the politeness not to borderline bash people for your anger.

[ruby violet]

I can bash whoever I want

Unlike the devs I live in a country with free speech

And the wrecked this game with broken guns

[pure jewel]

it's called being respectful bruh, not restriction of freedom of speech lol

[queen jungle]

rule 1

[ripe basalt]

I'm literally right here

[queen jungle]

complaining about a weapon that’s pretty far from meta is yikes

[ruby magnet]

Mistaking freedom of speech for freedom of verbal assault.

[pastel ruin]

the newsfeed repetition after initial game launch is a little wearisome. I only need to see it once. Having it pop up everytime i return to the lobby seems odd.

[cerulean wraith]

@sullen zephyr Dolch? Bomb Lance?

[sullen zephyr]

Talking about 3 slot weapons

And bomb lance is 150$

[jovial lodge]

@twilit zephyr Your post in #feedback has been removed; please use the proper channel for bug reports

[sullen zephyr]

Im talking about a huge weapon about 1-2k$

[cerulean wraith]

I don't think we really need more 1k guns, because that implies some form of great power

The Avto is a beast when aimed and controlled at CQ. The Nitro, same but at longer range.

Where do you fit a 3rd weapon into that?

[sullen zephyr]

Tbh it's getting bored when you read new weapon and it's just a new Version of a already existing weapon ingame

[cerulean wraith]

I mean a semi auto rifle could do it but everyone would hate it and it'd ruin the game, frankly

[sullen zephyr]

There could be a shotgun for 1k hunt dollar like a shotgun that blasts a shell and out fo that shell 3 other shotgun rounds

[cerulean wraith]

That is so horrifically OP I can't even visualize that

Do you play with the Avto and Nitro?

You'd know they take skill tveo actually be very strong with them

[sullen zephyr]

Like the shotgun mode from roadhog (overwatch) he shoots a bullet that frags on hit behind the enemy or if he doesn't hit he shoots a shell and it doesn't hit at 15 it frags into 3 shotgun shells yk)

[cerulean wraith]

You need a skill cannon, not an OP machine that a forknife noob can wipe a server with.

[sullen zephyr]

Thb the nitro is kinda noob friendly if encounter people only under 30 meters lol

Same for the avto

[cerulean wraith]

No noob will ever use the Nitro because it hard to use. The sights frankly suck (on purpose) and you get 2 shots with a slow RoF

And the Avto has a lot of recoil and it's prohibitively expensive for new players. And it takes 2 uppercuts just to make it viable.

Neither if these is noob friendly

[sullen zephyr]

Well, I learned to use both of them quick af

[cerulean wraith]

That's you.

You'll find that most noobs go for Winnie levering

The c&k is the noob shotgun of choice

Fact is, neither the Nitro or the Avto are noob friendly

And your idea is so horrifically OP it would dominate cqb with no room for counterplay

[sick anvil]

@cerulean wraith interesting 44 x l shot i found some pictured but i can not find one source that would detail when they first poped up i knew snake shot were around for ages but would have never guessed its that old that it came in wax carboard boxes

have you got some source that would know a rough estimate what yesr they first appeared

[cerulean wraith]

Well I read it was contemporary with .410

And .410 was introduced in 1874

https://www.shootersforum.com/threads/44-xl-shot-thank-you-mrs-anderson.217930/

Referenced in bri'ish publications in the 1880s

@rocky orchid is the "Berthier 58" a real weapon?

[unborn dagger]

The avto is absolutely noob friendly. You can fire a three round burst non stop until the mag is empty. I'm not that skilled at the game and just kept blasting people without needing to aim.

[cerulean wraith]

You can spam the Avto but you're gonna empty the mag, not hit shit and die

You may get (or may not lol) one cheese kill that way, but is it worth 1.5k? I think not.

[rocky orchid]

no.. it is just a fictional name because the original first cylinder-out revolver were invented in 1858 by french/british cooperation and i really dont know if crytek wil have the name rights to use it..

the name is just irrelevant, as it is more the gun idea by itself

[cerulean wraith]

The Uppercut doesn't need a reserve ammo increase, I can tell you that much

[rocky orchid]

the avto should never get lowered by the price.. the game where you die often on one bullet, there shouldn't be as much automatic rifles.. therefore they can increase all the prices .. even i would raise the trait costs for levering and fanning from 7 up to 10 or 12

[rocky orchid]

it was just for the fairness of the new gun idea.. i am not responsible for tweaking 😄 so just a little bit more ammo for the uppercut, but double or triple the price

[lunar kettle]

The state of the avtomat is pretty good atm. It's not to strong and it's not to bad either. A fine balance between strong and weak depending on the distance.

[cerulean wraith]

If they're gonna be adding a swing out revolver, I'd much prefer it to be the Winchester 1876 Centennial revolver. Turkey allegedly ordered a number of these but it's unknown if they were ever delivered (making it a nice exploitable grey zone for justifying them being here even though only like 13 are known to exist).

This gun is also .44-40, so compact ammo. Kinda just a compact version of the Scottfield. Also no speedloader is known to have existed.

[cerulean wraith]

Agreed

[rocky orchid]

yeah.. this could be also a thing.. i really would love to have a fancy flip out animation throwing away the old cartridges and than putting in the new ones with the speedloader.. that looks so damn nice

[cerulean wraith]

It really is a nice gun, shame it never entered production (as far as we know)

And the right side swing out is pretty unique too. I only know one other revolver that did that

The pieper

[rocky orchid]

also i would like to have a "silcenced scottfield"... with a silencer so big, like the silencer of the sparks.. this would look actually pretty funny and silencer prototypes where quite big 😄

[cerulean wraith]

Can't work due to how revolvers work

The nagant is an exception there (and the Pieper too, it uses the same kind of mechanism)

The nagant's bullet is seated in the case, and the gun has a forcing cone that seals the gap between the cartridge and barrel. That's why it can be suppressed.

[rocky orchid]

yeah.. but like everone else often complains.. it is a game 😉 not everyone needs real life mechanics

[cerulean wraith]

We do here.

I get fucking passed every time I see a suppressor on a revolver when it legit just can't fucking work

So stop that

[rocky orchid]

hahaha

so you are a gun maniac like me?

[cerulean wraith]

A bigger one, given that you suggested a suppressed scottfield.

[rocky orchid]

yes, because of the fact, realism isnt taken as serious, as needed in this game 😄

otherwise i would not take this in my mouth

[cerulean wraith]

This game takes realism pretty seriously with its gun mechanics

Which I love about it

So stahp

[rocky orchid]

so you think we should get laser sights?

[cerulean wraith]

[rocky orchid]

or some red dot?

[cerulean wraith]

Grubb sight.

[rocky orchid]

why not getting air strikes? 😄

could be crows, shitting on enemy hunters

[cerulean wraith]

Because... uhhh... your momma.

Gottem

[frosty garnet]

@mint estuary, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
Matched regex in message in #game-ideas (#suggestions-ideas, 524577494863708180):

Get rid of the fucking cain skin how is that for a suggestion```

[cerulean wraith]

@mint estuary not a very good one

[mint estuary]

that skin is broken af such bs

[cerulean wraith]

It's not that broken but it is pretty bad

He's getting a rework in 1.8

[mint estuary]

ok fair enough

i was about to buy it cuz hey if you can't beat em join em

but not if it will get nerfed at some point

[cerulean wraith]

Opportunism much

I don't have him because he ugly

[mint estuary]

i mean there's no other way to even the playing field

i don't even like the skin but it gives players a ridiculous advantage

[rocky orchid]

well to be fair.. there are many hunter models which look very ugly

[cerulean wraith]

Recruit this man

Or woman idk

[rocky orchid]

some of the asian-like female models look like they are mongos..

with frog faces

[mint estuary]

When is 1.8?

[cerulean wraith]

Some character model are pretty bad ye

[rocky orchid]

"soon"

[cerulean wraith]

Idk, it's the next major update

[mint estuary]

i mean if i can use the broken cain skin for a month i'd be fine with it

but not if the update is in like a week

[rocky orchid]

that surely will not happen

i am guessing now into the open.. 1.8 will be in march '22

[noble harbor]

paying for something you feel is broken is just gonna encourage them to make more broken stuff

[mint estuary]

I've played a lot of games in my life and me refusing to buy broken stuff doesn't change it either so

whether it's video games or card games they don't gaf, there's always enough people who will buy them and then when other people start getting pooped on, they have to eventually buy it too

[cerulean wraith]

The right answer is to refuse to buy it on principle

And/or stop playing

[jovial lodge]

Seems pretty extreme, especially given that this will now be the second pass they have done to improve the skin's visibility

But I suppose if it bothers you that much, you gotta do what you gotta do

[rocky orchid]

well actually what would really help is to implement some colorblind-options.. because for me personal, cain is just the ice peak

i often have issues (mainly desalle) with T1 modells also 😄

[storm cairn]

That's actually how many hackers justify their hacking

[cerulean wraith]

Despicable

[jovial lodge]

To be fair, you're comparing a very mild advantage to basically paying for wins in violation of all ToS in existence

[rocky orchid]

what triggers me on cain more than his visible, is his invisible leg holster.. the revolvers just flying at his leg... this looks so stupid

[storm cairn]

Yeah sure, i was just talking about the general mentality behind it

[rocky orchid]

maybe cain should stay as he is.. but only can equip 1 3-slot weapon

[jovial lodge]

It's sorta a question of what the general consensus of fairness & access is, which is kinda interesting to consider

[noble harbor]

lol let's not pretend crytek is acting urgently to fix stuff like this. cain been around for how long now? 4 5 months?

how many times they nerfed dolch and how long did it take? :d

same with dual wield, spam, etc

[rocky orchid]

yeah but the dolch change was just stupid..

[jovial lodge]

As I mentioned, they already made a pass 🤷‍♂️

Before Cain, it was Felis & Blackcoat

Which were largely unfounded

[rocky orchid]

bonedoctor

[noble harbor]

im mostly happy with crytek updates, but everytime it's like a year too late and we've all accepted the circumstances

[jovial lodge]

I think it's poor development philosophy to respond to community feedback too quickly

[rocky orchid]

they act like nowadays goverments

[noble harbor]

[mint estuary]

just 15 days til the next update

two years later

[cerulean wraith]

Oh I remember that

cAtGiRl bAd

mE nO lIkE

am ANGY

[wind stream]

the average bone doctor experience

[noble harbor]

these cain mains croping their hands

[cerulean wraith]

[queen jungle]

@queen jungle they’re still meant to be useable weapons not complete worthless trash...

[sullen zephyr]

Everyone explaining about cain being p2w (he is no daught) meanwhile me enjoying my best life with the girl that the white top and long skirt, I forget her Name she's one of the spanish hunters

[spice topaz]

You probably won't sit in a bush. I've quite enjoyed the revenant lately.

[sullen zephyr]

He her

I love her

She's so cool

[cerulean wraith]

I take whatever looks cool and almost never buy legendaries

Ghillie lad/lass best skin

[unborn dagger]

I would love it if crytek added the female hunter on the cover with her black coat but that'll probably never happen :/

[lethal oyster]

God fucking dammit people are still whining about dual wield. Will this ever end? We'll all die of old age before they'll stop I swear.

[sullen zephyr]

for some funny reason hunt is the first game where the female have actually accurate bodies, not like some other game where you have like a plastic doll as females

[cerulean wraith]

Mostly agreed, although imma level with you

They're pretty flat

(Doesn't bother me much, just an observation)

[cerulean wraith]

People will always complain about shit because they suck and can't counterplay

[normal vine]

Maybe back aches in the bayou lead to natural selection?

[cerulean wraith]

Don't think that's how that works

[mint estuary]

The rng on dual wield is just kinda wack sometimes otherwise I didn't see any real issue with it

[cerulean wraith]

Rng will be rng

[rocky orchid]

the solution should be to get rid of the crosshair.. without ADS there is no marker for perfect aiming

problem solved 😄

[mint estuary]

I wouldn't even be opposed to that

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-showdown-teabag-hunt-showdown-gif-15824613

[midnight plume]

not gonna lie, I'd give dualies a better first shot accuracy but worse spamming accuracy

[cerulean wraith]

That'd only increase frustration when players get killed by them because "it's got no crosshair, he must be hacking!!!!1"

[mint estuary]

that would just be a buff really

[rocky orchid]

but isnt that the real issue? that often RNG leads to the first shot -> headshot?

[midnight plume]

that'd make it not RNG

[rocky orchid]

without any aim

[cerulean wraith]

dUaLlIeS OP pLs nErF!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!@+262462&==_#&

[harsh maple]

buff cain 💀

[cerulean wraith]

Sick of this shit

[mint estuary]

i've gotten sniped by duals before so i'd rather not make them more accurate. I think they're fine how they are for the most part but no buffs pls

[cerulean wraith]

DUALLIES

ARE

FINE

move along

[rocky orchid]

the only thing you can do is to make a normal higher sway which can't be controlled probably and if you ADS the sway stops.. but this would drain slowly stamina.. or something like that

[noble harbor]

are they fine now or before the nerf

[cerulean wraith]

Not needed

[midnight plume]

my take is that the biggest problem with getting killed by dualies is it being more RNG than aiming, so if the first shot is more dependent on aiming it'd be less frustrating to play against

[wind stream]

@wispy folio refrain from spamming the same idea

[wispy folio]

Wtf it was entirely a different idea did you even read the text?

[cerulean wraith]

The only nerf Duallies still need, I'll tell you that much right now

Is a NERF bullet to the face of everyone who keep complaining about them!

[wind stream]

I guess, the first part being the same tricked me, my bad and apologies, I will DM you the text so you can post it again
Maybe with a different title though as to show that it's a different idea

[sick anvil]

You threaten me with deadly force ?

[cerulean wraith]

If this is deadly force, then yeah

[midnight plume]

if you get good enough RNG to hit me with that bullet

[lunar kettle]

Would make them even stronger and wouldn't solve the problem. It's not just about the RNG that kills people. It's more or less the RoF. Even with the actual nerf: Dualis are strong. Maybe a little to strong, but that is my personal opinion. If I would touch them for another balance-idea I would decrease the RoF.

[sick anvil]

Thanks for clarifying

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah lower the RoF to just 2x that of a single pistol and we're golden

Idk why the RoF is listed as higher. Could just be the listed stats being fucky

[lunar kettle]

Exactly. For me that would be great.

[pallid idol]

I've always been an advocate of making dualies much more accurate but with a firerate barely higher than a single pistol
Hunt isn't fun with spammy gunplays and gets better when shooting is precise and deliberate

[cerulean wraith]

The ol' switching guns thing?

[pallid idol]

Somewhat

[midnight plume]

ngl, this

[cerulean wraith]

Shoot one gun, bring the other up, repeat

[sick anvil]

Yes

[midnight plume]

whenever I use the dualies, a part of my soul dies when I miss multiple easy shots from RNG
whenver I go against dualies, a part of my soul dies when I get domed from 40 meters

[sick anvil]

hipfire starts at 8MOA at 10 meters and geos 80 MOA the faster you shoot if you ADS you use the irons

[midnight plume]

with other weapons, I have noone to blame but myself

[cerulean wraith]

I could see the switching guns as a duallie ADS rework, but I'd keep it as-is for hipfire

Super inaccurate as it is

I even made a whole ass video about it

https://youtu.be/wRTu-2kl7n4

[sick anvil]

id say one tweak to it , hipfire to avoid the RNG Jesus jackpot is feasible only within mas 15 meters thus the reticle has to be bigger and grow every shot if single gun can shoot every 2 seconds then dualies can every second with out affecting opening hipfire but if you spam the accuracy decreases drastically pretty much like dolch

[cerulean wraith]

Iirc duallies have the dolch sway now, no?

[jovial lodge]

@finite ruin @lyric jacinth Your post in #feedback has been removed; please post bug reports in the proper channel, thanks!

[finite ruin]

whats the proper channel then? there is no bugs-and-issues for pc players ...

[jovial lodge]

#bug-reports-pc

[finite ruin]

don't see that channel ... maybe I'm 2 stupid ... sorry

[rocky orchid]

did you took the pc-role?

[wind stream]

#bug-reports-ps

#bug-reports-xbox

for the console platforms

[jovial lodge]

Doesn't look like you have the PC role

#904820362313887744

[finite ruin]

I see those two channels ... and I think I took the pc-role

[jovial lodge]

It appears you did not

[wind stream]

@lethal oyster you can put jump and vault on separate buttons

that way you wont have that issue

[lethal oyster]

No i can't. I play console.

[wind stream]

well then nvm

[lethal oyster]

[odd cosmos]

RNGsus ? 😳

[frosty garnet]

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one additional thing 

4. remove the ADS, permanent hipfire accuracy 
this will go a long way in reinforcing their close range ability```

[cerulean wraith]

When the Duallies are not OP amogus music plays

[spring hound]

Damn, nobody wants another large Slot melee.

[plush ledge]

Not many guys are into memes that hard

[spring hound]

Well I also had a poison hammer to post but I guess I don't need to.

[mild halo]

I played with a lvl 50 hunters got 9000 exp and I only got about 3000 in the Chary system in a single game, is this a bug?

[lethal oyster]

I just don't think a flaming swords fits hunt very well. It's not the large slot melee thing i have a problem with.

[spring hound]

Wacky foldable spear with a harpoon launcher. Big sword+fire. Unno, didn't seem that out of place, and the hunter's association is pretty old according to lore. What did they use before guns ya know?

But that's fair I guess.

[round berry]

A halberd would be sweet. Light melee swing, heavy melee poke. Huge swing arc and range to just cleave shit. Would meme with that. 😂

[spring hound]

I'm actually kind of curious why they called it a Bomb Lance as it is definitely more of a spear/halberd.

[unborn smelt]

As you were already told i think most people take issue with the weapon not fitting the setting. Hunt is far far beyond sword combat, and while melee definetly has a place lore wise, big flaimng sword might be out of place for many because in the setting it'd more likely be a tool like a machete or axe, or in the bomblances case a device made to hunt some of worlds largest animals.

And interestingly enough the Bomblance isn't all that far from the truth - highly stylized but rooted in real inventions

that's an IRL patent

[spring hound]

The Calvary saber and machete would like to have a word. And no I didn't doubt the authenticity of the lance. Just like the chain pistol, there was a real one, but it was a rifle rather than a pistol.

I just want a different option from the bomb Lance .. and I happen to like swords.

[unborn smelt]

cavalry sabres were a thing back then in american cavalry regiments, but they were by no means main weapon for combat

to my knowlege

and a machete is primarily a tool

[spring hound]

Right and it's something far more easily found. I put the price as expensive because of the difficulty of acquisition.

[unborn smelt]

I have no issue with the sword

[spring hound]

The oil thing was a call to Naptha/Greek fire

[unborn smelt]

but i could see how many think it doesn't fit the setting

[spring hound]

[unborn smelt]

I personally would love to see melee get whatever it takes and is fun

as the weapon slot melees are just kind of bad

because tools and bayonets can do everything they can but sacrificing so much less utility in the loadout

[spring hound]

Well the hammer idea is a modified Sledge with a slot on the back basically to shove a poison bomb into, B button flips which side of the hammer you're swinging with.

[unborn smelt]

sounds fun. I doubt many would play it but it sounds fun

[worthy mauve]

I feel like any melee that takes a weapon slot should 1 hit kill easily. No idea why machete got done so dirty, it's basically a heavy knife

[unborn smelt]

Since bayonets can do that and talons to a degree - yes i absolutely agree

melee wepaon balance is all over the place but even the best ones, like the sabre are overall pretty bad

[worthy mauve]

TTK has really been shortened over the years

[unborn smelt]

I think that while not great for the power of melee, is still fine

But melee brings nothing, like actually nothing unique or even a range it dominates to the table

[worthy mauve]

Making 1 hit kill and making silent killer cheap could do it imo

[lime tree]

And what even is the purpose of the heavy knife?

[unborn smelt]

it gets countered by dualies, fanning shotguns and is on pretty much even ground with bayonets and talons

[worthy mauve]

Clearing concertina 😆

[unborn smelt]

I still think melee needs smth unique to make it worth using more

[worthy mauve]

Agree, bayonet is the closest thing I'll take because the knife is already good

[unborn smelt]

and that it didn't get any customisation when all other weapons have it didn't help either

[spring hound]

Heavy knife is a skin dump, cause almost all of them are cool lol

[worthy mauve]

Traps in compounds are a big melee killer imo. Never know when you'll snag a wire and get stuck

[unborn smelt]

Like gimme some customisations, like carry more ammo for the second gun, or a unique throwable, maybe a unique trap, or even smth as basic as applying poison to the blade

[spring hound]

I play it a lot, ain't good but I like it anyway

[unborn smelt]

heavy knife has some of the absolute best skins

i love them

But the tomahawk has replaced the heavy knife in any aspect for me and brings cool and useful stuff on top

like silently and on range dealing with AI

[spring hound]

Yeah .

[lime tree]

Melee slot weapons can block, allowing you to parry bayonet/talon/etc variants and grunt/armored/immolator attacks?

The amount of times I've right-clicked with an axe to try and block a hellhound...

[unborn smelt]

I fear theres a few issues with blocking, the biggest one may be it being janky with lag compensation, and that it still doesn't help with it being outclassed by just about everything people tend to bring

and a back and forth of blocking and responding might just be too slow to keep up with hunts pace and the TTK of many guns

[spring hound]

I'd assume attachment melees couldn't block but dedicated would but yeah, likely just get sideswiped by their teammate with a rival. Lol

[orchid wadi]

How is the daily xp calculated? For the Chary event stuff? Me and my teammate weren’t collecting the same amount of xp, and I received 3k hunter xp one match and it didn’t show up on that xp bar

[lime tree]

That would be the idea, because rightclicking with an attached melee is just ADS/hipfire aim. So you try to stab, get blocked then slashed. Is the concept. Obviously gun beats sword, but maybe it'd at least make melee shine in the melee range.

[unborn smelt]

If it worked well it could - but i think there's a lot of potential for that to go wrong with lag compensation

[lime tree]

Yeah, that's true. Lag compensation would probably make it either unreliable (and bad) or super forgiving (and unfair).

[spring hound]

Parrying the butcher and scrap Beak though...

[bronze quail]

That's the big issue. I don't know if you played bf4, but on bf4 was added a feature that allowed players to counter attack (and insta kill) a player who was trying to stab you from the front. I remember that a lot of times, while playing against high ping players, i stabbed a player from the back and he immediately counter attacked me cause i saw him not looking at me while he was cause of desyinc. It was pretty annoying and i think that this is going to happen, and on hunt this could be even worse.

[vast kiln]

Really happy with the changes coming for the Winnie. Getting really tired of fighting long ammo snipers and not really being able to do anything but throw paper wads at them

[ashen peak]

What does "max blood bonds" mean in the chary rewards list?

[silent tartan]

Probably highest BB reward

[lime tree]

I have no clue. Where do you see that?

[silent tartan]

which is 100 I think

[late wind]

We've already had events with exclusive DLC locked behind a bar. Scrapbeak. Light the Shadow. Halloween. Halloween 2. Christmas. Christmas 2. So how is Mr. Charry a problem @rocky orchid ?

[cerulean wraith]

Charry himself may not be

But his lootbox is

I hate that on principle even though it's honestly not that bad in execution

Also DAY 13 OF ASKING CRYTEK TO FIX NIGHT

I ain't afraid of no unlucky number

[late wind]

I don't hate it specifically. Rather I hate that this is what Crytek is focusing on instead of positive game changes both in balance, and just overall gameplay and functionality. Like... The sun both sets and rises in the south.

[cerulean wraith]

Away down south in the land of.. sunset??

It's weird

[late wind]

How hard is it to make the sun rise in the east and set in the west? Gotta be easier than making a whole ass lootbox mechanic.

[cerulean wraith]

Probably takes like 20 minutes of fuckery in the map editor smh

[late wind]

So do I hate the lootbox? No. But I hate that they'd focus on it instead of quality improvement.

[cerulean wraith]

I hate that they added it at all

And it made me lose respect for the CM

The way he built hype for it when he must have known exactly what it was

I know it's his job, but if I was him? I'd fake a positive covid test

Just ti get out of having to promote a fucking lootbox.

Have some integrity.

@thorny dawn so basically a full sized Mosin Drum.

I dunno. I preferred BattleGnome's suggestion for the "Bertheir Extended"

Making it like the bornheim extended. You gain 2 more rounds in a mag but have to single load bullets

And lose 2 ammo type functionality

Chaushit mag is cool but it's Avtomat grade anacronistic-ish

[thorny dawn]

The berthier is pretty much a carbine tho

[cerulean wraith]

Okay, so a 3 slot obrez drum.

I don't like it, I think it'd be too strong

[thorny dawn]

What if it jammed constantly?

I mean the lebel has an 10 round magazine

[cerulean wraith]

No point then

[fossil frost]

Then no one would use it personally I dont mind the idea mainly because the empty reload speed for the berthier doesn't seem that much longer than cycling the bolt

[cerulean wraith]

Unless you give it a RoF slower than the lebel which would just make it pointless

[thorny dawn]

Yes but cheaper

lebel

with 8 more rounds

[fossil frost]

My concern is that it would make it the highest capacity long ammo bolt action the 2 others only carry 15 total same as uppercut
I can't remember how many long ammo bolt actions there are

Uppercut has 9+6 loaded

[thorny dawn]

18+0?

[fossil frost]

Mosin 5 +10
Lebel 10+5
Obsessed drum 15+0
Berthier 3+12

The consistency feels like a balancing reason
As why would you not bring a second full load for uppercut and lebel and breaks over

[cerulean wraith]

Because the uppy is very strong as is

And it's also great for ammo combos

Imagine if your thingy went through

That would give le average long ammo enjoyer 5+22 rounds of long ammo (with mosin and 1 uppercut)

[thorny dawn]

But the berthier is 3 slot

[cerulean wraith]

As opposed to 5+18 as it is now

And it would also give me

The Avtomat noob

A total of 15+24 rounds

(Avto + 2 uppercuts)

Do you really want that

[thorny dawn]

Mmmmm

[cerulean wraith]

There is a lot to balancing

Systems intersect and nothing exists in a vacuum

[thorny dawn]

you got a point

But there could be a way to balance it

[cerulean wraith]

You have to take the bigger picture into account

[thorny dawn]

You cant take a berthier and a avto at the same time thou

[cerulean wraith]

. . .

You're suggesting a reserve ammo increase for the Uppercut from 9 to 12, right?

[thorny dawn]

No

[cerulean wraith]

What then, I'm confused

[thorny dawn]

I'm just saying you cant take two 3 slot weapons at the same time

I'm confusing myself

[cerulean wraith]

Okay we are on completely different wavelengths right now

[solar monolith]

This is a rollercoaster

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah so I got confused by this post

And assumed some shit

Anyway

[thorny dawn]

Carbine Avto?

would be

[thorny dawn]

Carbine Avto + lebel

[steady prism]

ive got a brilliant idea...

imma make a suggestion once i finish this game

[cerulean wraith]

The point that needs to be made is that 18+0 isn't a good idea for the chauchat thingy because long ammo load consistency

Every gun has 15 long rounds cap

Except the long pistol

[thorny dawn]

oh i see

[steady prism]

then limit the chauchat mag to 15

[cerulean wraith]

It didn't start out this way, I remember the drums originally held 20 rounds and had like 20 more reserve but that was nuked for balance

[steady prism]

they even fed it to not exactly full irl since it was failure prone

[solar monolith]

Fairly certain the chauchat wasn’t created until early 1900s. Magazine probably wasn’t either

[steady prism]

true but does it matter?

[solar monolith]

Yes

[cerulean wraith]

Mags as a concept existed in the 1880s and possibly before. The first model chauchat was created on 1913, the war model came out in 1915.

[thorny dawn]

The huot automatic rifle wasn't in production untill 1917

so

Avto

[cerulean wraith]

The Avtomat isn't a huot.

[thorny dawn]

I know

But the idea

[cerulean wraith]

It's very similar but it's not

[thorny dawn]

Really didn't exist yet

Since lmgs

[cerulean wraith]

I like to think Mr. Huot (and Lewis) got his hands on an Avtomat.

[thorny dawn]

were a product of ww1

[solar monolith]

Pretty sure the Avtomat that we know in hunt was never real.

[cerulean wraith]

It's a fan theory that explains why it looks so similar to the huot

[thorny dawn]

Mmm

[cerulean wraith]

The man that designed the Huot got his hands on a Lousisiana vintage Avtomat.

[cerulean wraith]

1917 air service rifle. Because the American bu-ord though that giving an airplane observer bolt action rifle in a plane while everyone was already using machine guns was a good idea

[solar monolith]

Yea. I’m cool with creative things like that. But other stuff, I prefer accurate era. glares at Mauser

[thorny dawn]

Da faq

[cerulean wraith]

Colt 1855 revolving rifle

Certified hood classic

@vocal ore what's wrong with it?

@rocky orchid >banish Chary

YES.

Another man who sees sense.

That's exactly where this shit is going and it needs to be called out and stopped before it takes root.

[thorny dawn]

Damn

Just got killed instantaneously

[cerulean wraith]

Welcome to Hunt, big boy

[severe gulch]

Holy shit this is perfect

[cerulean wraith]

Pls gib back old Avtomat sights

(Possibly with a thicker front post)

[vocal ore]

Play it side by side a lebel marksman or mosin sniper. The recoil isnt even comparable.

[unborn smelt]

they're not supposed to be - the devs said specifically that they left in the high recoil in the devstream IIRC

It's a short "carbine" and as such it kicks like a mule

[ashen peak]

Cheers brother

[warped dragon]

damn people on here complain a lot

[vocal ore]

Read my suggestion post. Im talking about the negative recoil. Uppercut and nitro have high recoil but it still returns near the same spot. Berthier deadeye has recoil like crown or dolch. The base iron sight berthier doesnt do this either.

[unborn smelt]

Ah you mean re-centering

i understand

[vocal ore]

Thats a better way of describing it thank you.

[steady prism]

@cerulean wraith watdya think... Wanna be terminator? 😏

[digital tinsel]

saber need to be nerfed

[coarse geyser]

@autumn crow I've suggested the same over and under rifle idea, and still do every month or two so dont get upset if you see me one day in the suggestions with the same idea. im glad to see other people want one too

[daring bone]

Currently Scotfield Precision icon on the Arsenal and Equipment section looks bad.

On the Arsenal section is the only Precision pistol pointing upward left, instead of downward right, texture looks low resolution and lightning is affected too (first screenshot).
On the Equipment section the scale looks wrong, granted is a longer medium sized pistol, but at least its barrel could be aligned with the name of the item, as other similar weapons seemed to be (second screenshot).

Hope this is the right section to post this

[crystal plume]

I disagree with the lower pic

It's vertically centered

And it's zoomed more out because it is longer than the nagant precision

[vast kiln]

@cerulean wraith what are the differences between the avto and the huot, oh great sensei of gun knowledge

[eager widget]

One's a gun, the other's a gun.

[daring bone]

True, still smaller than the rest, would compare with Dolch Precision when manage to get one in that view

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[winged skiff]

The change log litterally says "significant" increase to recoil

[winged skiff]

Except now dual wielding isn't as it's expensive in both money and trait points, whilst being outperformed by singlehanded pistols. Also the Centennial has now become competely irrelevant and non viable (already was at a disadvantage vs the Vetterli), with the Win 73 getting FMJ. Why ever pick it?

[jovial lodge]

Recoil is irrelevant to whether you will hit someone if you are aiming center of mass. The only effect it has on accuracy is whether you can re-center before your next shot

@grizzled mural your post in #feedback has been removed as it did not contain feedback.

[winged skiff]

I said they decrease accuracy AND increase recoil

if you think increasing recoil has no effect, then why the heck did they do it?

[jovial lodge]

And my comment is that they didn't decrease accuracy except while crouching

[winged skiff]

Ofcourse it has an effect

[jovial lodge]

Not on whether your shot lands while aimed center mass

[winged skiff]

they made it HARDER to aim

[jovial lodge]

But if you don't care to discuss it, that's alright with me

[winged skiff]

follow up shots are now a lot harder

the changes were unnecessary. It wasn't remotely OP before, esp. not for the price in money & traits

it was a good match for the officer pistol, trading capacity for accuracy. Now the Officer just dominates

and dualing is pointless

I'd never pick it now

[jovial lodge]

I'm not sure it's been long enough to make that claim, but fair enough 🤠

[winged skiff]

Well if it was already a match, and now one has been made significantly worse, then logic tells us things are now skewed

[jovial lodge]

By this, I mean that it's too early to say whether the nerfs were significant at all imho

But at any rate, that's all I have to say on the topic. Take care

[winged skiff]

Here's my prediction: Dual wielding will very rarely be used now, same for levering. The Officer and Scofield Spitfire are going to become std. side arms, only rarely replaced by the Uppercut for those who want some extra long ammo

[cerulean wraith]

Probably. The Spitfire is gonna need a rof nerf

Also the scotty swift is probably gonna need a reload speed nerf

[cerulean wraith]

One exists, one doesn't

That's the clipnotes version

The Avto is built off a Mosin, the Huot was built off a Ross Mk3. Which would be significantly easier, seeing as the Ross has a straight pull bolt and fires a rimless cartridge

The Avtomat appears to have a completely custom-made straight pull bolt, since there is no visible bolt turning mechanism like a cam plate

alsoo the reload animation is bizzare and I have no idea how this straight pull bolt is the TURNED and stays to the back during reloading, what ze fahk crytek

But yeah I have a fan theory

That the designers of both the Lewis gun and the Huot got their hands on Louisiana vintage Avtomats.

The Lewis because the cooling jacket on the Lewis gun is pretty much identical, and the Huot because duh, it looks exactly the same

It would explain the seemingly anacronistic nature of the Avto

Without invoking something too unreasonable

[odd cosmos]

Gun Lore

[winged skiff]

and the normal Scofield is gonna need an increase, it currently does less dmg, has a lower MV AND shoots slower than the Pax. That's some pretty damn poor balancing

[cerulean wraith]

No, not really. It compensates with the faster reload

[winged skiff]

but it seems to be par for the course atm, the devs have no clue how to properly balance atm

[winged skiff]

except it isn't faster unless fully unloaded

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah, that

[winged skiff]

hardly a compensation

[cerulean wraith]

I also prefer the sights personally

But this is a me thing

I'd have to check the stats to comment more

[winged skiff]

same issue with the Centennial vs Vetterli, another example of piss poor balancing

[cerulean wraith]

https://youtu.be/BNZVVV5WUqk
This is the better "lore" music

[winged skiff]

and now the Winnie 73 with FMJ has just completely removed the viability of the Centennial... which was already pretty unviable after the Vetterli got HV ammo

[cerulean wraith]

Centenny had a higher RoF tho, right

[winged skiff]

nope lower RoF than Vetterli, which is the insane part

should the very least have a slightly higher RoF

[cerulean wraith]

Again I'd have to check stats

[winged skiff]

44 rpm ROF would balance it vs the Vetterli

currently it's 123 dmg / 39 rpm vs 130 dmg / 42 rpm

[odd cosmos]

Me, explaining why the Bomblance is the ultimate form of weaponry and the pinnacle of thousand years of engineering, science and culture.

[cerulean wraith]

Oh right, vetterli RoF is 42 (listed, 48 with IS) while Centennial has 39 (listed, ? with IR)

[cerulean wraith]

Which it is

[odd cosmos]

The Centennial feels very slow, it's actual RoF would probably be close to the listed. (like the vetterli does)

[odd cosmos]

Indeed 🙏

[winged skiff]

The Centennial just has no place atm, it's outperformed by the Vetterli and normal Winnie. It needs a buff to its RoF, it's the only thing that makes sense

[half stag]

^

[odd cosmos]

^

[cerulean wraith]

I really enjoy it but hey that's just me

I just checked stats, it has a higher muzzle velocity and better mag cap. And allegedly a faster reload

But everything else is worse

And levering is garbáge

[odd cosmos]

Thicc winfield, best winfield

[cerulean wraith]

I agree

Probably the best sniper variant if you play sniper more aggressively too idk

I don't play scopes because I suck

[frosty garnet]

@rocky orchid, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
Matched regex in message in #game-ideas (#suggestions-ideas, 524577494863708180):

** Title: ** "the right monetisation" -> for Hunt: Showdown

** Description: ** As i mentioned yesterday, get rid of the Mr. Chary idea (see other suggestion). 

I know that crytek needs to earn money to pay their employees and the game as a life-service.

So i have 3 different possible ideas, which could be used for the monetisation:

(1) microsoft is planning to build a game service, as netflix is for movies in the future. I guess that will be game pass. They want that you pay an amount of money per month and get access to a libary full of games. That's why crytek could just sell the rights of Hunt to microsoft and maybe offer "staff leasing" from the hunt team to microsoft. -> * not my favorite option *

(2) more buyable merchandise, DLCs, NFTs, maybe an Hunt EFT, a.s.o. to fund the game

(3) *my favored option* 
you can book an option ingame (via credit card, paypal, etc.) of 3-5€/month and get full access to all DLCs (minimum 1 hunter, 2 guns, 2 equipments per month). You can book this option monthly. If you dont pay for one specific month you dont get the DLCs which are offered in this month and can't get them ever again, so these things are "unique" and people have to think about, if they want to pay or not. On the other hand crytek will guarantee to put the game into new server infrastructure or cloud service to better the server performance.


just throwing some ideas.. i just hardly don't want this lootboxes implemented!!! (but i know many of the people here just can't see it, what will happen, with this!)```

[cerulean wraith]

@rocky orchid fuck right off with the NFTs

[rocky orchid]

was thinking the same

[cerulean wraith]

A premium subscription for legendaries and BBs might be decent though

[rocky orchid]

but thrown it into the idea, because i really dont know what to think about that shit.. i dont understand it

[cerulean wraith]

Delete that shit

Nfts are a crypto bubble scam that are ruining people's lives

[rocky orchid]

need to re-post it either way... because the bot cant understand the "fat" format

[rocky orchid]

well this ape picture made 12 million dollars.. so some stupids paying a lot for this

[cerulean wraith]

I don't want them anywhere near gaming. I play games to play games, not to fucking invest

[rocky orchid]

also i heard about some star ships for star citizens where people pay 30 grand for one digital ship

[cerulean wraith]

Mongoloids imo

Imagine paying 30k for something that doesn't even exist

[rocky orchid]

for a game which will NEVER be released 😄

[cerulean wraith]

That just makes it even better

Honestly the legendary subscription is the best idea, as long as it isn't pay to win in any way and it's just a subscription for legendaries, BBs and unique cosmetics

[rocky orchid]

yeah

[rocky orchid]

thats what i am thinking of.. so we could get rid of BBs..

[cerulean wraith]

It's super disheartening to see 50 downvotes on a post suggesting the removal of a lootbox mechanic.

[cerulean wraith]

I think BBs are fine, though they used to be way better when the game gave you more if them

[rocky orchid]

but thats because people only see "negativity" in the post.. they are maybe too young or too stupid to really think of, where this CAN (and probably will) end with Mr. Chary

[cerulean wraith]

It's super sad

But then again

People upvoted stupid suggestions like the Alofs and winnie 1895 so...

The average voter here is pretty clueless

[rocky orchid]

in germany we would say "bauernfängerei"

[rocky orchid]

i hardly disagree on implementing new guns, till we get a new "arsenal UI" where the selection of guns is not by always typing the name or scrolling down 500 miles through 2000 different skins..

[cerulean wraith]

I object to those two specifically because they would be a balancing nightmare

But yeah fuck Mr. Chary's lootbox scam

And FIX NIGHT (day 14 of asking Crytek to do that)

[rocky orchid]

what again was the alofs?

[cerulean wraith]

That tube mag strapped to the side of the Romero

[rocky orchid]

whats wrong with your night?

[rocky orchid]

aah

no semi- or automatic guns in the game anymore..

[cerulean wraith]

• appears at a rate of only 8%
• can be abused through reshaders
• minor visibility issues

I'd pay top dollar for Hunt music vinyls

An artbook

Or tarot cards even though I don't play tarot

A poker or rummy/bridge deck would be lit too

[rocky orchid]

ok

[rocky orchid]

me for a hat, cool tshirts or hoodies (the current offered clothes are really bad)

and of course maybe some real gold coins which are imprinted with Hunt logo or something like this

[cerulean wraith]

Starting a savings fund with irl blood bonds would be lit as fuc

So many wholesome monetization options that Crytek refuses to take

Hunter models

Like, figurines

[rocky orchid]

imagine.. imprint a gold coin edition of 1000 gold coins and 10000 silver coins.. ONCE.. and offer them to the community..

you would get a shit ton of money..

[cerulean wraith]

Imagine owning a Cain figurine lol, you lose that shit you'll never find it again

[rocky orchid]

well.. do you know that you dont have the cain figure already?

[cerulean wraith]

So many merchandising ideas lol

Sell fucking displates idfk

I'm gonna make a post of those

[sick anvil]

Best monetization would be In game Weapon replicas that work

[cerulean wraith]

What do you mean by that

Sell a fucking irl Avto

[sick anvil]

A replica LRR Sparks that looks like Firethorn or LULU

Tooth and claw MHI

a 50 laurel winfield replica

even if they would be just decorative replicas

[rocky orchid]

A FUCKING NERF GUN SET... Hunt Showdown edition!!!

[sick anvil]

if so blank fire guns

and one of a kind real gun

[rocky orchid]

your neighbors will love you for that

[sick anvil]

i want nitro snek with those 50 cal NE blanks

[unborn smelt]

Well the ideas are cool, but none of them would really fund the game enough to keep it actually going

[rocky orchid]

sry.. what are you talking about?

a gold coin can be sold between 300-800€ per coin.. this is more than any DLC could do in 4 years

[unborn smelt]

Well if i read it correctly this eveolved out of your better monetisation post

[cerulean wraith]

It did

[unborn smelt]

But not everyone - actually vaer few people would likely be willing to buy that

[cerulean wraith]

I would argue that basically everyone would buy a deck of Hunt cards

[sick anvil]

You need to make 300K€ in three sales .
Get three H&H in .500Ne have them look like the in game models put them out in a auction

[dim heron]

Not to mention processing fees to actually make the coin... There's little overhead to make any actual money

[unborn smelt]

And at 8$ for a DLC you only need to sell 100 for each gold coin

[cerulean wraith]

There is a market playing cards given that someone is selling them on The Game Crafter

I have 2 pairs and would 100% buy 2 more

[dim heron]

Ask how many sales they've made

[rocky orchid]

but thats ok i guess? if a few people will buy those gold coins.. it helps ALL...

[cerulean wraith]

Brb

[rocky orchid]

and monetisation should be done in several ways.. gold coins, silver coins.. cards.. merchandise..

[dim heron]

Not if they've spent the money to make 1000 of em and only sell 10.... Then they're in the hole

[unborn smelt]

Well only if the fees and possible regulations of selling whats essentially gold ingots but fancy isn't too big

[sick anvil]

@unborn smelt all it takes a partnership with swish ingot mint they make custom bars and coins , take 5% cut on sales you dictate the price can have them mint one at a time with a higher cut , they have the licensing and they ship it

[native lake]

literally cheaper than the pax because of this

[rocky orchid]

as someone who invest in gold i would not care to buy 1-5 coins per month.. and if i hold ALL coins of them after some years.. well i have something special i guess

[native lake]

however, it has fmj

[dim heron]

All it takes

[rocky orchid]

GOLD will be sold ever...

[native lake]

I don't understand the 'buff scottfield' when it has a purpose with where it is in relation to pax

[dim heron]

Debateable

[rocky orchid]

sorry.. BS.. in all history there was never a time where gold wasnt bought by anyone

gold is raising in price since ever

[sick anvil]

When a brand of czech cooling creme can have 1 gram bar put in the creme tub and not even increase the price of the tub i guess it must require nuclear scientists figure it out and the minted bars had custom engraving

[rocky orchid]

gold will be ever a solid money investment

and gold and silver coins fit so perfect in the hunt scheme

[dim heron]

Just checked, gold is actually down quite a lot historically in the last what, year?

[cerulean wraith]

I don't think we have the playerbase for a branded investment fund, frankly.

[rocky orchid]

sorry.. you clearly dont know how to read these curves..

[noble harbor]

getting financial advise from hunt

[rocky orchid]

gold is long therm investement.. look at the last 5 years.. 10 years.. max.. it is raising like crazy.. and if it is lower than before year.. it is the right time for investment

[dim heron]

Right right, sorry... When it dips it's obviously gaining momentum to go up, silly me.

[eager widget]

What are we talking about? Crytek investing in gold coins or something?

[dim heron]

I'm not saying gold isn't a good investment for you to buy, I'm saying it's not a viable source of income for Crytek to sell

[rocky orchid]

more or less

[eager widget]

Something a very limited part of the community would care about?

Therefore meaning Crytek would probably be at a loss with?

[rocky orchid]

we are talking about options to get rid of Mr. Lootbox (eh chary) and get some valid options

[eager widget]

Just because you want it, doesn't mean the community wants it.

[noble harbor]

huntcoin crypto?

[dim heron]

Charry isn't even a lootbox...

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah I don't think that's a super good idea given our payerbase

[dim heron]

Y'all just throw around buzzwords when you're angry about something

[rocky orchid]

you would prefer something electrionical which you can't really have in your hands?

[cerulean wraith]

Yes he is. The last one can be bought with real money, making it a lootbox.

[eager widget]

I would prefer lootboxes over that payment plan you had. And the gold idea wouldn't work for Crytek, it's just something you'd like. And i'm sure you could go commission something on gold if you care that much for it. I'm sure it'd be a good investment for you

[dim heron]

So battlepass' with a "purchase next level" is a lootbox?

[cerulean wraith]

Imagine preferring literal gambling over a subscription service lkl

[cerulean wraith]

It ain't a battlepass, it's a lootbox with extra steps

[eager widget]

I do. I hate subscription services

[noble harbor]

can i pay u in gold to ban people @dim heron

[rocky orchid]

it is gambling.. with the "pay 100 BB" to make a deal..

[dim heron]

Sure

[eager widget]

An investment! I like it!

[dim heron]

Per your description though it is

[noble harbor]

moving this to dm for the negotiations

[eager widget]

Lootboxes are something you buy for a random chance at a drop you might like. Can't you only spend bloodbonds on the last part of it?

[dim heron]

Yup

[eager widget]

I get the precaution against the future of lootboxes, but I don't think Hunt would go that direction.

Battlepass, sure. But not lootboxes.

[cerulean wraith]

No it's not. The first 3 are random rewards, but since that last one can be paid for with real money, it's literally a lootbox.

[native lake]

I quite like the free pass we get with events, I'd hate to see it change

[cerulean wraith]

Every event so far has been a battlepass in a way and I don't mind those

[rocky orchid]

guys.. you still dont get it.. it is NOW implemented as a trojan horse..

[dim heron]

You mean like a pass, not a lootbox

[cerulean wraith]

This

[rocky orchid]

the mechanic is now here.. lets see in a few months

you will have to grind through 1000000 XP instead of 10000

but.. no issue

[native lake]

This is just a Slippery Slope fallacy

[rocky orchid]

you can pay 100 BBs.. 1000BBs... 10000000BBs.. to speed it up "a little"

[eager widget]

Keep it civil.

[native lake]

🙄

[dim heron]

Oh no 😱 I'll have to play the game

[rocky orchid]

other companies made the same shit

[cerulean wraith]

and yeah they will absolutely increase the reward grind and offer tier skips for every reward very soon. That's how this works every time.

[rocky orchid]

why you are all blind of this?

i want to clearify... I love this game.. i play since alpha..

i am now more than worried about

[eager widget]

I'm laughing that you guys are complaining about this, and not the fact that you can literally buy hunter refreshes, upgrade point exchanges, healthbar changes. Stuff that actually affects gameplay

[cerulean wraith]

Imagine defending lootboxes in 2021 lmao

[eager widget]

Oh no, the lootboxes

[sick anvil]

imagine its 2022 already 29 days

[noble harbor]

is this what people call the loud minority?

[unborn smelt]

Will it tho?

[native lake]

I'll reiterate - Slippery Slope Fallacy

[cerulean wraith]

They will. It happens every time

[unborn smelt]

Could it potentially be - sure.

[cerulean wraith]

It ain't a fallacy when it comes tk gaming monetisation

[dim heron]

Yup

[rocky orchid]

ok.. maybe... @cerulean wraith we should stop to warn people/community..

let the game and devs do what they do.. we warned enough

we can say.. "we said so" in a few months

[eager widget]

The only thing I want changed is the ability to buy gameplay functions with bloodbonds.

[native lake]

In no way is paying the 100 blood bonds for a daily complete once a day a loot box, and you really shouldn't be paying it anyway, 10k xp is exceedingly easy to earn

[eager widget]

Cosmetics are fine.

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah. Your defense of this system is gonna age like fine milk

[dim heron]

They've done fine without your warnings tbh for about 4 years now

[unborn smelt]

But lets not be too hasty with accusations. I am not a big fan of the changes myself either

[eager widget]

I'm trying to figure out what made them think about the buy the last tier thing, though. Maybe they thought people average out around 7500 XP a day, and give them an opportunity to buy the last bit as a just in case for the next day?

[unborn smelt]

But were still far from it being predatory or even monetized in a profitable way

[dim heron]

Feedback is fine, but yelling about something and using hypotheticals to fearmonger is pointless...

[dim heron]

Would be interesting to find out the thought process tbh

[cerulean wraith]

It's not fearmongering when I can prove the trend.

[dim heron]

Marketing teams be like: Bloodbonds

[cerulean wraith]

It happens over and over again and I'm tired of it

[eager widget]

Same! I have a couple things I've been curious about in their changes and additions. One change I am curious about is the change to selling.

I'm trying to figure out where they are going with these little changes over time.

[cerulean wraith]

I want to know what led them down this path too. Ksenia get over here and tell us why you chose to implement a quasi-lootbox

[rocky orchid]

just save your energy.. i will do the same..

[eager widget]

Look, if the day comes, I doubt the community will be quiet about lootboxes.

[dim heron]

And I'm sure with 10 min of research I could prove the opposite... Lootboxes are not the enemy, the implementation of them is

[rocky orchid]

sry.. thats by far the worst comment i ever read... did you work for EA for a while?

[cerulean wraith]

Lootboxes are the enemy 99% of the time. No game known for good monetization has them.

[dim heron]

That's not true at all

[unborn smelt]

To be more specific selling loot boxes for money is an issue

[eager widget]

You wouldn't be the only ones there. But like Jesse said, this is fearmongering. While this might follow a trend, you don't know it will be the case. When - if - it will be the case, then I almost guarantee the community could change crytek's minds.

[normal horizon]

Just out of curiosity, what are some good monetization from live service games

[rocky orchid]

i also dont like the trend, that the game is more and more overflooded by some fancy markers, progression bars, etc. in the main menu..

we are not in a f***king f2P game

[cerulean wraith]

Exactly, random rewards are fine but as soon as there is a monetary component we've got a problem

[dim heron]

For sure, quite easily, by just not buying them

[rocky orchid]

hi nixa 🙂 i made some ideas

[cerulean wraith]

Warframe. Literally everything they did

[eager widget]

Cosmetic DLCs, especially with community made suggestions.

[unborn smelt]

The way hunt mobetizes it i dont think so - yet

[eager widget]

Stuff people want. Making polls might help with getting DLCs out :)

[native lake]

Hunt's monetization is actually very, very good

[unborn smelt]

Because they locked the money buyable part behind 70% mandatory grind first

[eager widget]

I feel like including the community with more buyable things might make people happier and want to buy the things they want.

[cerulean wraith]

Used to be before Mr charys lootbox scam

[normal horizon]

Iirc warframe is pretty p2w or was anyway

[native lake]

you should be more frustrated at FOMO 1k BB than 100 BB daily spending

[unborn smelt]

And you cant just bulk buy them with money because of it

[rocky orchid]

for now..

[normal horizon]

Paying to speed up creating things

[eager widget]

Still is.

[dim heron]

Yup

[normal horizon]

Not sure that's great

[native lake]

I think the Officer skin @ 1k BB while being FOMO was a really awful mistake

Predatory FOMO is not good in the slightest

and I would appreciate it if hunt avoided it in the future, but I understand that fomo works from a sales point of view

[cerulean wraith]

Must have changed since I heard them praised. But as for good tactics, paid skin DLCs are the best way. Premium currencies are perfectly fine if you can purchase any amount of them you want. And of course external merchandising

[eager widget]

Honestly. There's no easy solution to keeping a live service up, and there is always necessary evils. I trust Crytek, mostly, with this sorta stuff because I know they tend to listen to the community about issues.

[cerulean wraith]

And this community is currently very pro-lootbox.

Which blows

[native lake]

[noble harbor]

good way for crytek to start making some real money

start selling the KD Farmer Pack
Comes with the base game, Through the Bone Briar and The Wolf at the Door

[unborn smelt]

Were not pro lootbox

[noble harbor]

just buy another pack if you die once

[eager widget]

I don't understand where you think we're pro-lootbox, my dude.

[dim heron]

For a second there I was like wtf does mac and cheese have to do with hunt.... >.>

[cerulean wraith]

You get a "remove the lootbox" suggestion that gets 20 upvotes and 50 downvotes. There's the pro lootbox stance in this community.

[unborn smelt]

Wer just dont think this is comparable to actually predatory lootboxes yet

[noble harbor]

the three piece combo

[native lake]

It's not a lootbox but you are open to your opinion

[cerulean wraith]

It is a random reward which can be bought with real money. That's exactly what a lootbox is, by definition.

[native lake]

No it isn't

[unborn smelt]

And i dont think its fair to treat it like those at this point in time

[native lake]

but

[cerulean wraith]

So stop it with the "it's not a lootbox" bull, it literally is

[rocky orchid]

but it has to be discussed RIGHT NOW.. before it escalates

[unborn smelt]

Well but they buying part is heavily resgricted

[cerulean wraith]

Doesn't matter, still a lootbkx

[unborn smelt]

And by design i'd even say discouraged

[sick anvil]

To be fair , MR chary is a Loot box ,
" is a consumable virtual item which can be redeemed to receive a randomised selection of further virtual items "
I earn Blood line press button consume and get random reward , last step is a loot box that is monetized
that the animation is not opening a crate does not change it is a loot box

[cerulean wraith]

👆

[eager widget]

Because you got downvoted? Would have been simple to state that you'd like the bloodbonds to not be able to be spent on the tiers for XP instead of going on the tangents that you went upon. People aren't downvoting you for the idea of preventing Lootboxes. They're downvoting you because it seems like you are suggesting removing the Dark Tribute entirely.

[unborn smelt]

Yes - but the part that makes lootboxes predatory is missing

[native lake]

I'm not saying it's a loot box, but if it were to be considered one, it is nowhere NEAR a conventional loot box

[sick anvil]

For now

[native lake]

I would be fine if they removed the 100bb payment

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah I suggested removing it because it's unnecessary and a step to bad monetisation

[eager widget]

Same.

[native lake]

Not even fine - quite happy

[eager widget]

Yeah, and I disagree with removing the Dark Tribute. As I like the idea of being rewarded for playing. Which is what the service is trying to do.

[unborn smelt]

I too would love to see the bb purchase gone.

[native lake]

But I am not going to call it a loot box - it is nowhere near as predatory as a loot box

[eager widget]

Get more people to play and keep playing.

[rocky orchid]

and also the implementing and coding for this kind of shit.. had be used for real issue fixing or something worth the time (and money)

[cerulean wraith]

I agree, but that's that's whole point of why the system was added. It's not happening because they WANT it. And we're gonna see more of it unless we get them to yeet it.

[unborn smelt]

Gimme bb hunter customisation instead for example

[eager widget]

Remove the bloodbond payment, not the Dark Tribute. Simple as that.

[eager widget]

[rocky orchid]

excatly this

[unborn smelt]

They are right it is a lootbox - just not a predatory one

[cerulean wraith]

Agree to disagree?

[native lake]

no because I like getting paid for playing the game

: )

[eager widget]

Hell. Make it a buyable DLC to unlock hunter cosmetics, and give us the ability to buy certain cosmetics we want to customize our hunters. especially if we get bundles.

[rocky orchid]

if you get hunter customisation and pay BB for every part of the outfit.. i am totally fine with it

[sick anvil]

The Issue is people that are on the offensive against this is the facts this can easily turn to bad ,
All it takes to ad a 0 at the end of every XP threshold , remove and make it 50bb each and woala what looks so harmless is now what we are against

[native lake]

yeah like traditionally, lootboxes are purchaseable, multiple items, not time gated for # purchased

[unborn smelt]

It has the potential to go bad - true.
But its not yet

[rocky orchid]

you really dont get the point of the whole discussion.. sadly

[unborn smelt]

And just because other games do it doesnt mean hunt has to

[native lake]

Please don't insult me

: )

[cerulean wraith]

This is exactly it.

[cerulean wraith]

It's a trend in the industry. I don't like the odds

[native lake]

I understand what you are trying to say. I don't agree with it.

[unborn smelt]

For example hunt did keep DLC strictly cosmetic where other games said the same and then monetized content

[eager widget]

The point of the discussion is that you fear it turning bad. We aren't there yet.
We all would prefer the bloodbond part removed, and we don't want payments to happen for gameplay mechanics like that.

That's where we all agree on.

[cerulean wraith]

I don't even want to GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I WANT TO PRE-EMPT IT

[rocky orchid]

if people always wait to shits getting bad.. we are back into 1939...

[eager widget]

We don't know what Crytek has planned. You guys are opting to remove something just because you fear of the possibilities. That's the difference here.