feedback-discussion

[unborn sandal]

Qm has always been insanely strong and at the very least needs to have a trait point price increase but I think scarce is a better choice

surefoot too imo

[safe hill]

Tbh I think this can be solved by rebalancing weapon handling (ads time , how fast to pull out , ergonomics in general)

Heavier more complex rifles would have worse handling

Simpler lighter rifles and pistols would have better handling

[crystal plume]

The swap times used to be different, they made them more consistent years ago and I think that was a great change

I'd rather see skill expression be about things like aim or positioning, not whether or not their gun was fast enough to swap to because they chose X or Y weapon

[safe hill]

Ye I see the logic for sure definitely don’t want to go back to sparks uppercut quick swap days but I do feel there should be kind of advantage or benefit of pistols over medium rifle (other then you don’t spend trait points for am)

[crystal plume]

As long as they don't make any weapon more clunky feeling and only possibly make pistols handle better then sure I'm down, but I also wasn't against original quickswap tbh

Imo the biggest reason why pistols fell behind was bullet drop and pistols being hit the hardest with it

QM existed even before and was nice but didn't feel like an objectively pick over pistols every time, I could still use pistols for longer range in my shotgun loadouts

But with bullet drop I feel more limited range wise with a pistol and a shotgun

[umbral chasm]

they aint adding new weapons ..... only battle passes

[latent geyser]

Flame rifle last event.

Also a lot of the weapons suggested would only serve to bloat the roaster, additions that would most likely either reinforce the meta or turns forgotten once the hype is over.

[manic burrow]

Yeah, unless someone thinks of something truly unique, most new weapons are either just the an existing gun but better, or an existing gun but worse.

[blissful jackal]

yo big crytek when are we addressing ping abuse again

[empty oasis]

@jaunty nymph Your post in #game-ideas has been removed due to Do not repost your own ideas. One post is enough

[blissful jackal]

since my message got deleted let me rephrase

why am i fighting people with 200+ ping not from my continent

[crystal plume]

Because they likely have ping under the current ping limits

[blissful jackal]

when someone across the entire globe can connect i think its time we lower the "limit"

im getting tagged and theres a 400ms delay of me hearing the shot afterwards

from 20m

or just getting killed behind walls

meanwhile i have 30 ping on my native ping on my server 😋

[inland knot]

#game-ideas message

Shadow would be fine if it werent obtainable so easily
you know, if scarce traits were scarce

[unborn dagger]

I've never really encountered many players having shadow throughout this event and while I've found Shadow more frequently I wouldn't say it was THAT frequent. Imo it's balanced just fine.

[brazen osprey]

I like the spawn rate of scarce traits, you can’t bring them in and they are rare enough that you can’t be sure you’ll find any one so you can’t build around them, but they are common enough that you can actually regularly enjoy using them and it all adds more variety to fights

[unborn dagger]

Agreed and they also have the balance of despawning once someone grabs it.

[neat terrace]

if your ping for all servers is 250+ there is no ping limit

[rotund obsidian]

does it let you go anywhere you want or only to the lowest?

[crystal plume]

Only the lowest afaik

[neat terrace]

this is just my experience queuing into OCE

I only play US East and I play OCE for pve when it’s low pop

if it won’t let me queue into it due to ping i just make my ping the same for all servers and it lets me

[brazen osprey]

I’ve gone to higher ping servers before

[blissful jackal]

I can go to any server except maybe 1

You can just select which region.

Get a lot of people not from na on na servers often 😋

West is really bad east typically better

[inland knot]

i guess we just have different opinions on this
i for example dont enjoy it tbh that these supposedly rare perks are literally everywhere
4 different locations (if i didnt forget one) where theres 1 guaranteed, a card that gives 1 for free (and has a guaranteed location), + a chance of beeing in scout towers + a relatively high chance of random spawning traits beeing one of them aswell + destiny dial + wild targets
from my experience you can very well play around them and expect to have a certain one as long as it isnt death cheat
I think they should be rarer and - thats my biggest point - not guaranteed anywhere
when someone has a strong trait, they should value it and not be able to find it 3 times in the same match (which can happen pretty frequent)

I agree that its cool that they are present and not a 1:10000 chance, but imo theres a difference between "present" and "every corner of the map"

[unborn dagger]

I mean even with those 4 locations they just ultimately haven't been common enough to affect my experience. It is still common for me to see people needing to deal with AI so I don't think it needs changing all that much. Even when I'm killing a bunch of butchers and brutes, they drop regular traits more than they do shadow or any other scarce or burn trait.

[inland knot]

We could argue if im just lucky/ you are unlucky now
But in the end of the day players dont always experience the same stuff
interesting nontheless since i always feel like they are everywhere

[carmine needle]

@green yacht they can't bring back the originals. It's been said a few times, mythical skins cannot come back as they were sold as limited. Crytek isn't going to go back on this.

Once you buy the challenge, it basically becomes exactly what you want- a permanent bp

Why would they make it free when the originals weren't free either?

Just trying to understand what you're after 😅

[rotund obsidian]

most of them weren't sold as limited but they did explicitly say after the fact that they won't be coming back, so yeah it aint happening

[green yacht]

Mostly it was matching what was free in those original battle passes.
Not sure what you mean by mythical skins but people just want the original colors to come back from what I can gather. Items that were sold as limited I could see that maybe leading to some sort of potential legal trouble which nobody wants. But as for items that were explicitly not sold as limited, I don't see a reason for them not to return in their original form. FOMO whether intentional or not drives a lot of players away and leads to a lot of toxicity.
I do think a recolor being available is better than nothing at all, and I didn't say I was completely against the idea of it being paid since you're basically just paying for an old battle pass chapter, although you don't get any blood bonds back which does kind of suck.

[rotund obsidian]

mythic is an item rarity that is supposed to denote an item as limited-time and never returning, but mythic rarity didn't exist before 2.0 and a lot of older skins were made mythic when that update released

[green yacht]

I see, thanks for clarifying. That really sucks that me and many others are missing out!

[blissful jackal]

i cant join oceana currently

but everywhere else is fine!

why not just make us servers located centrally and limit ping to like 100

everyone gets 60ish and now I'm not fighting teams from different continents every day 😋

[sharp lava]

hello im from australia and i play us east please do not make ping limit 100 thank you

[rotund obsidian]

i think almost every time ive checked i was able to play every single region

[jaunty nymph]

No its not

[manic burrow]

#game-ideas message @rancid coral This request of yours effectively amounts to “give me a steak, but remove the meat”.
Resetting your progress in inherent to the concept of prestiging
If it bothers you so much, don’t prestige.

[carmine needle]

@short berry i suggest putting that post in #bug-reports-pc

its really a bug more than anything

[signal mural]

@atomic tapir The Hanged Man, the Grotesque, & Monroe are all correctional institutionalized Hunters.

[atomic tapir]

Out of the three listed, only the hanged man looked the part. But yeah, I guess i ignored him.

[manic burrow]

#feedback message @verbal marsh I agree that hitting him hard enough feels like it should cancel that attack, but the assassin is overall very manageable. I solo him with knuckles reasonably easily most of the time.

Depending on the compound, displacement, your placement, etc, you can also usually duck behind a wall or crates or something when he’s about to throws that needle attack

[hot vigil]

Hey to both you and @verbal marsh the Assassin has a mechanic where if his clone have popped on you or any other Hunter!, he will be immune to stagger for the duration of the insects blocking your vision. So most likely you ain't experience him being bugged, but you or somone else have just been tagged by one of his clones :)

[urban grotto]

what's your guys thoughts? #ui-feedback message

[devout cloud]

#feedback message
It doesnt have the water bottles from the firefighters supply
But nah u right that one they couldve used easily for more ways to use scarce weapons, existing and future ones. Having only the hs and wl there makes it just another boring a** supply point.

[hot vigil]

You guys does realize this is just meant a little something to set the tone of the next event right?

[inland knot]

I did not no
but it makes sense considering the whole military teasers.

Doesnt really change the fact tho that its just a firefighters supply without the one thing that made it special 😅

[hot vigil]

The looks are different

Like yeah

just a little something

[inland knot]

Hmm
i get the setting, dissappointing it is to me anyway

[devout cloud]

If they wanted to get people interested with a little something they couldve just hung flags or something

[hot vigil]

they have that already?

[devout cloud]

Supply points have features that make them worth visiting
I dont see any reason to go there over another normal supply point

[devout cloud]

They did? My bad then.

I do think exactly what that guy meant tho
Thes hyped people up with a "all new supply point with a scarce weapon" like its something when its well
that

[inland knot]

My only thing that i "meant" was that im disappointed that it doesnt come with a chance for the flame rifle
That really disappoints me especially after that
But i get that it may only exist for aesthetic. I accept that grumpily.

[manic burrow]

Neat! I wasn’t aware of that. Entirely likely that’s been the case when I’ve encountered that. It’s just never really been a problem, so I haven’t thought too hard about it

[hardy nymph]

Y'all Cooked with the trailer Crytek. Hats off.

[flat sandal]

Jan Zizka with a machine gun, why not?

[verbal marsh]

So is his lunge attack just confirmed during that then or what lol

[hot vigil]

No

[verbal marsh]

Go on

[devout cloud]

#feedback message
thats what yall get for always asking for more guns
we have everything non-special covered, everything will always be a worse or better variant of something that exists
i dont even blame devs for this, i blame people with too loud voices for always wanting more guns here, more guns there, m o r e g u n s

[crystal plume]

I mean I still want more guns

Raw stats are more or less irrelevant to me

I care about the feel of the gun above anything else

Even if I had two guns with otherwise identical stats but other one did 130 damage and other one did 120 damage, if the 120 damage one feels better to use for me then that's my pick

[hot vigil]

Eh, I really dislike this new rifle addition tho.
The henry was already struggling to stay relevant and now it gonna compete with another rifle.

[crystal plume]

Pretty much every gun is struggling to stay relevant when compared to meta options

Those who play variety will play variety

Those who don't will just endlessly play mosin dolch

[hot vigil]

Naw

Meta is one thing

But hunt used to have a very diverse non-meta

where every gun felt justified in picking

but not anymore

literally no reason to go slate over specter for example

[crystal plume]

I prefer the feel of slate over specter, it also has one of my favorite skins

Obviously we are not able to justify every single weapon forever in a live service game that will continue adding more content and guns

It is what it is

[hot vigil]

Eh we could

[crystal plume]

And I definitely do not want them to stop adding guns either, the lack of guns in recent updates has made Hunt feel a lot more dry than in the past

[hot vigil]

Live service games doesn't mean we need to erode design and balance

I prefer balance patches over any gun they could at now

[crystal plume]

I'll prefer a balance patch when I see one with a nerf to the mosin 😄

[devout cloud]

I will take healthy balance patches, new monsters or mechanic any day over a new gun

[crystal plume]

All recent monsters have felt like just a new way to annoy players rather than something actually interesting, fire breather = more bars lost, concertina armored was just a more annoying armored variant, hellhounds with metal helmets are just more annoying hellhounds

I just have not seen a single genuinely interesting monster addition yet to be excited for any more of them

Meanwhile guns are the main reason I play the game for as a long time player, variety to pvp fights is the main sauce for me

[devout cloud]

this variety could also come in different ways
Traits, Mechanics, Maps, Weathers
there are tons of other things

(Quick note: i dont want to say your reason is unjustified since everyone has different tastes)

[crystal plume]

Obviously maps are the best addition but I feel like even mentioning them is a moot point as they obviously take the longest to implement

And they are likely always working on the next one

Weathers can also be interesting, but those appear randomly, even if I really liked the inferno I will only occasionally see it meanwhile I can choose to pick a new gun (unless it's scarce but I don't really even count those as new guns anyways) whenever I want to

[devout cloud]

probably
it just annoys me that every now and then someone begs for gun X to be added (or any gun) and then when we get a gun everyone goes like
meh.

[crystal plume]

Traits are meh since they compete with other universally essential traits and there is a limited amount of slots for them

I have pretty much everything important already taking up my slots and the rest are for burn traits I might find in a match, so unless they add something that is stronger than doctor or death cheat for example, I likely will not care for it other than the initial "oh this is neat"

[devout cloud]

This is exactly how i feel for guns 😆
i get your point tho. Totally

[crystal plume]

Then you aren't a variety player like I am 😄

I see no limit for how many guns they can or should add, I like using all of them on rotation

[flat sandal]

I think, since guns overlap a lot, traits actually add more variety in playstyle at this point

didn't pick doctor and physician for a long time now and reached 6* in that same time

[sharp phoenix]

Basic sketch for the map idea I posted in game ideas. There are a couple of compounds missing but there is a reason for that.

[sacred nebula]

Never actually used avto. Is that good against players?

[plush ledge]

for what would you use it if not pvp? it's 100% rng and you better learn to pull down your mouse but it's fun

[cerulean wraith]

it is if you play it right

you have to treat it as, how would I put it?

its good in CQ but you cant rush like you can with a shotgun because the hipfire is terrible. aim and fire in short, controlled bursts (inless you're close, then just aim-spam)

and its good at close-medium range because its a hose of boolet. gl controlling the recoil tho

at any range beyond you just just have to deal with the fact that you may hit the first round with the blocky af iron sight, but you will miss with the remaining 2

[quick kettle]

@zinc solstice IIRC the Flashbomb does instantly ignite barrels already

[zinc solstice]

lemme check again

ok they do not

checked in a training match

[quick kettle]

Ya I just checked myself....I could've sworn...oh well

[normal horizon]

[oak iron]

@cerulean wraith your basically wanting to introduce a "Bard" type weapon. Hilarious and unique... <thumbs up> also, in classic internet fashion... never pick bard.

[cerulean wraith]

That's the idea

I see why people don't like it

But consider

Bringing everyone on a server together

And just playing some tunes

[grizzled sedge]

tryhards should like it cause they hear enemies coming, dumbasses like me like it cause loud

[cerulean wraith]

I hate to say it but

This was inspired by a clip of some asshole playing earrape music to cover a teammate's flanking attack

Except it's not so loud here that it would do that too much

[oak iron]

I like it, I think its quirky enough to make sense, and not seemingly broken right at inception.

hunt is so niche, and this weapon would be in keeping with that mindset, IMO

[cerulean wraith]

God do I love that niche

[void trail]

"No no, double conversions is fine...", blah blah blah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rufCdf2q3Ec

[cerulean wraith]

This is the right time to remark on that because I just had an epic game with 2 guns I haven't used at all for over a year. The Sparks Silencer and the Officer. I hove this game, I hate this game, I hate the fact that I love this game and I love the fact that I hate this game.

[cerulean wraith]

Oh God another duallie rant

They are fiiiiiiiine

(Excpet that they shoot a bit over 2x as fast as a single pistol but okeh)

[void trail]

Oh God, another dude who is literally everywhere and answers everyone for everything... Keep going, doing your job well

[cerulean wraith]

Ye I'm here often, what about you?

So I often get to see duallie debates

[tribal wyvern]

Ye and then you record the 500 other times hes used dual conversion where he used up all bullets and hit 1 time in the leg.

This is like using 1 plane crash and say "yep planes are unsafe, they crash all the time, no one should ever fly."

[void trail]

Same thing, but I'm not trying to stick my 5 cents everywhere, soooo. Yeah )

[burnt mulch]

imagine making fun of people who are here to have discussions instead of complain with you

[void trail]

Cool ! )

[burnt mulch]

nono, continue screaming into the void

[cerulean wraith]

I even made a whole ass video with a live demonstration on how duallie aiming could be reworked. I know all the arguments for nerfing duallies, okay? I like debating.

And the conclusion of the duallie debate inevitably is

"They're fine"

[void trail]

keep going, keep going )
I am interested (no)

[tribal wyvern]

Dual conversion is a big noob trap.
it works once and they're like "it's so OP!" and then for the next 50 times they miss and die to a guy whos able to make 2 shots with a Sparks before they even hit once.

[cerulean wraith]

Stop complaining because you got one shotted that one time by chance

I literally haven't seen duallies AT ALL in 3* and 4* for like a month minimum

[tribal wyvern]

It's more common with chain pistol fanning tbh xd

Ppl who run duals & chain pistol fanning, are the type of ppl who think More bullets = more kills.

[cerulean wraith]

I haven't seen that for a long time either.

[tribal wyvern]

If i see fanning it's like 6/10 times Chain, 3/10 normal conversions & 1/10 silencer nagant.

[cerulean wraith]

The only duallie I've seen used in the last 2 months are the ones I equipped to get more ammo for my Avtomat.

That's it. I didn't even use them.

[tribal wyvern]

I prestige atm, so i don't get that far into the mosin unlock tree before i hit 100

[grizzled sedge]

really all they need to do is change fr to be logical 2x and they are fine

[cerulean wraith]

Exactly

But people will still complain

Because of course they will, they don't understand the balance

Like most of us

[native lodge]

damn thats a good clip

still not gonna get duelies nerfed tho

[grizzled sedge]

if it only takes 1 bullet y do u need two guns

[cerulean wraith]

Because there is no such thing as too much dakka

[grizzled sedge]

winfiled swift levering + dual nagants

[late wind]

Dualies make shotguns and sawed off rifles pointless. Like. Why would I waste the medium slot on a vandal or handcannon when I can shoot faster with dualies, with less sway, more accurately, and with more ammo?

[late wind]

It's why I don't understand people asking for a medium slot, medium ammo rifle. If we get it, I guarantee you're not gonna run it. Because the uppercut will be better. And dualies exist. Plus we already have that. It's the springfield compact.

[grizzled sedge]

thats how a boring person thinks, people must politely ask you to leave at social events.

[late wind]

That's how a rational person thinks.

Do we see the vandal getting played even 1/100th as much as dualies or the uppercut? No.

Do we see the trapdoor cutoff being played? No.

But what we do see? Uppercut and dualies. Pretty much exclusively.

People scream bloody murder over the dolch despite appearing in like... 2% of games. But the nearly ubiquitous uppercut remains untouched. The selective outrage is mind boggling. As much as the mental gymnastics used to defend it.

[unborn dagger]

@oblique breach Speaking of sound underground sound effects are terrible.

[oblique breach]

very much, i should edit this and say that if your under ground you could have the sphere have a filter on it to muffle. although that raises the question of if its this easy why have they not created "zones" in which this filter is applied, you could also have "mid-zones" for areas close to staircases or ramps that would have their full audio heard in both in and out of the main zone to help simulate that they are closer to an opening

these zones would affect audio of both categories, it is really annoying that you can be above ground in stillwater and hear people crouch walking right below you

[digital nacelle]

you don't, join me my brother in using quad conversion fmj

[cerulean wraith]

I do see sawn off shotguns in 3-4* But like I said, I hadn't seen duallies for over a month until I equipped them.

[digital nacelle]

@vague patio I would disagree. sawn offs are excellent. if you can learn to deal with the sway they are just as good as their 3 slot counterparts, and allow you to take a handcannon or dual pistols without the quartermaster trait.

personally, I find the sway on these rifles perfectly manageable and equip the winfield vandal & mosin obrez quite often

[steady prism]

Sawn off shotgun = chance to ohk

I agree that cut off stockless rifles are worse than dogshit

Its almost impossible to hit anything with that and your much better of with a revolver, that has almost no sway...

Nerfing dualies isnt a solution tho...

That would just ruin dualies and noone would play them... They need a rework for their ads

You fail to see the issue of balancing... If you nerf something, it becomes worse (duh)... But by doing that you basically buff everything else... So for example we get rid of dualies by nerfing the shit out of them (same what happened to dolch for example) but you didnt solve anything... People will start to play different weapon. Lets say Crossbow, that recently got buffed. So after few weeks people will start moaning that they are constantly getting smaccd by crossbows and its unfair that it can ohk on 50 meters with shotbolt and has to be nerfed...

So they will nerf xbow bcs of community outcry.... Then people start moaning that shotguns are op... So they get nerfed... People start complaining that fANnInG aND LevERiNg tOo SPamMy!

So they nerf that...

And then people start crying, that theres too much campers with long ammo rifles and they should get nerfed so people play cqb options more often...

At this point you ve nerfed the whole game. So everything is back to normal except every weapon is much more shit than before

[wind stream]

@glass fable your reply in #feedback was deleted, that place is for feedback, not discussions. Feel free to share those clips of bad hit reg in here though, they are always useful.

[unborn smelt]

Well that's where the problem lies tho - why bother learning to deal with the sway if you get the version without sway to beginn with.

And after recent changes they aren't as good as their full size counterparts anymore either

while the reduced dmg barely matters in most cases, reduced velocity is a concern, smaller magazine if aplicable and worse hipfire and way worse melee dmg are. the vandal especially simply doesn't come close to the power of a regular Winnie C because of all the small downsides attached to it with an upside most people really don#t seek out anyway, because sawn off shotguns aren't particularly popular, nor do they synergise very well with most of the sawn off rifles.

the obrez is by far the best and it's actually worth it IMO, because long ammo was designed to have high sway before the sway was universially reduced so it can make do with it the best through the high base dmg and dmg falloff. Also it is the one with the amazing blunt dmg attachment and has a huge price decrease.

the vandal and Springfield compact however suffer a lot from all the downsides attached to being sawn off

[steady prism]

I dont think that obrez is worth its money unlike standart mosin but i agree they are redundant

Id much rather pick nagant precision than any other 2 slot rifle

[unborn smelt]

Another issue is the sacrifices for being sawn offs in both slots are usually too much for peeps compared to easy alternatives,
For example, a short rifle + sawn off shotty is both an uncomfortable to shoot rifle and a slightly too unreliable shotgun

usually you're better off with either a full shotgun and an FMJ secondary or an Uppercut, depending on your budget.
Or a full rifle with a semi auto secondary or a revolver with fanning.

and something somewhat similar is precision pistol vs sawn off rifle. Precision pistols are amazingly stable making it easier to use them on their max efficient range and have very good aimed Rof in CQC. They also have regular buttstock blunt dmg for more comfortable dealing with immolators and potentially opening up a tool slot if paired with a hatchett for example.

sawn off rifles on the other hand use the sway to make aiming at their max ranges very uncomfortable directly counteracting what they should have as a role compared to the multitude of other short to medium ranged medium slot options, which becomes terribly apparent when we look at their scoped variants that are prettymuch disregarded by everyone.

That being said, i don't think they need or should get a straight buff - but a reevaluation of the niche they try to fill and then a rework to do that better.

I think what would work better is incentivise precision and lower RoF, and double down on the other drawbacks they have.

So bring sway down to at least pistol level maybe even down to normal rifle sway to incentivise precise shooting and long range fights past the range of Pistols.

So we need downsides then, ideally ones that reduce effectiveness in CQC, like increased sway after each shot (because no stock to absorb recoil) or sway when shooting too fast (easy implementation as we have that as semi auto sway already) or like the C&K slugs huge kick (because no stock) and not recentering as much as other rifles leading to artificially reduced RoF because people need to reaim after each shot.
Pair that with drastically decreased hipfire accuracy and you got the rifles not necessarily buffed but more taylored towards ranged combat where they could be a better choice to pair with handcannons or as ranged weapons with shotguns or a Crossbow, which is further amplified by them having access to scopes unlike most pistols.

If it turns out too strong - one can still tweak the dmg reduction, MV reduction, ammo capacity and lastly the price if need be

[frosty garnet]

@ornate star, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
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bring full session replay like in rainbow six siege. show damage that my hunter has done.```

[opaque moss]

Much easier now, Any news from Crytek??
Hunt should work well in Linux if they enable it

[ocean holly]

Nothing yet. I'm guessing there's a bunch of people willing to test

[frosty garnet]

@novel owl, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
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In Hunt: Showdown almost every fight for a bounty ends in sitting around.. whoever moves 2much gets a headshot / shotgun shot. I'd love to see some commitment like if you pick up the bounty you need to get to Extraction ASAP. So you are obliged to move, get away. That wld prevent fights like 30 minutes of sitting around. Also.. I know thats pretty much crying.. but how about make shotguns half the distance they are right now?```

[steady prism]

this is exactly what they needd

when i take 2 slot rifle, i plan to use it at range... so i wouldnt mind if it performed bad at close distances (recoil, sway after shot, bad recentering)

but i want to be able to hit that one single round aimed at long range

[ionic valve]

I think the pve rate is a lot higher since reconnect update.. I've died to a lot of pve more recent than before..past few days mainly, the worse spawn I seen was 3 hives 2 imms and a pack of 2 dogs within throwing distance from eachother..kinda not right I feel

[cerulean wraith]

They increased AI aggro range

Which was a good chance imo

The AI was way too blind before

@iron blaze >AI hunters

This, but in Training.

@sick wind > contender

This, but a Martini-Hery pistol.

[ionic valve]

Nah bro

Spawn rate way Intentsified to

I never ran I to so many groups of bs

[cerulean wraith]

Don't run into them then

The AI is supposed to be at least a little bit of a threat

Don't just yolo in

@hollow iron the devs said there will be no rain due to performance concerns. But I would like day storms pls

@dry solstice >Cain

The only problem I have with Cain is that his skull backpack makes his head a bit hard to pick out sometimes. And that he blends in with tree trunks, which is a bit unique to him due to his color. Other than that I don't see him much in 3-4*. He isn't everywhere like people say

Honestly, you could argue that the ghillie dude/lass T3 is better

Fav hunter btw, I love that look

The most stylish ghillie ever

[ionic valve]

Blue shirt gold trim black hat and bandolier tier 2 is my fav

[unborn dagger]

Oh wow I didn't even notice there was both a male/female version

[steady vapor]

Yeah thats a cool T3, too bad they never make economic sense

[cerulean wraith]

You can get the for free in QP

And I usually just buy them outright

Also @steady vapor kek

[queen jungle]

@steady vapor Your suggestion was removed since it constituted a low-effort/troll suggestion. Please keep #game-ideas for serious ideas, even if you may be annoyed by parts of the community.

[steady vapor]

lol okay I thought it was funny but I understand

[cerulean wraith]

Gj tho

[frosty garnet]

@shell swan, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
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New game mode: Quickplay duos. Good way to enjoy a match with a friend, grab gear, weapons, perks, and hopefully make it out alive to earn ur free hunters. 
New perk: bandolier . Allows a hunter to carry extra ammo. Requires 7 upgrade points. Eliminates taking an extra consumable slot.
Contraband: Using gun oil allows hunters to clean weapons that are Contraband and once cleaned you can sell them out of your inventory. Kill a hunter, take their gun, clean it, and then it is no longer Contraband. Gives gun oil a more beneficial use and anotger way to earn money.```

[shell swan]

Hello

Why cant i post suggestions here? Says i am not using correct format???

[frosty garnet]

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New game mode: Quickplay duos. Good way to enjoy a match with a friend, grab gear, weapons, perks, and hopefully make it out alive to earn ur free hunters. 
New perk: bandolier . Allows a hunter to carry extra ammo. Requires 7 upgrade points. Eliminates taking an extra consumable slot. 
Contraband: Using gun oil allows hunters to clean weapons that are Contraband and once cleaned you can sell them out of your inventory. Kill a hunter, take their gun, clean it, and then it is no longer Contraband. Gives gun oil a more beneficial use and another way to earn money.```

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Wanted Mode

The player that kills the 1st hunter in a round is wanted until he or she is dead. The name of the wanted hunter shows up for the rest of the server. If the wanted hunter kills you, you see it in deathscreen that he is the wanted. When he is killed you get a notice and extra reward, for example 200 hunt dollars but only if you can extract with the bossbounty. If the 1st killer who is wanted extracts with the bossbounty he also gets extra hunt dollars. 
This mode only occurs maybe 1 of 3 rounds.```

[dry solstice]

No, I disagree. The ghillie skin is actually dark enough so he stands out in front of 99% of the stuff in game but the cain skin has perfect blend with trunks, mud, dirty floor -> dark corners... its blatantly less visible then the others... maybe Felis can come close to him in this regard but you have to find some sneakier spots to perfectly blend in as Cain does in front of every body of dirt

And what do you mean "players say its everywhere"? Yes he is... its the skin people are buying the most from the microtransactions skins just from observation... like make some marks every time you see each skin and tell me your results, mine were that the skin was almost half of all the skins I have met.. and yes, it was just from few games but I did it after I had strong feeling that there is just so many of them, so I am quite confident he really is everywhere by comparison.

[deft dune]

i dont think that is supposed to be like that

[honest forum]

twice tonight the silenced karabiner has had bullets loaded but refused to fire, any idea what's causing it?

[hollow iron]

yeahh i kinda felt that theyd say that, but maybe in the future when the devs optimize their game more 👀

[devout axle]

@hollow iron you can only wish upon a star so many times

We got the reconnect feature and loadouts so there goes two out of our 3 wishes lol

[hollow iron]

smh

wouldve loved to have that extra immersion

[devout axle]

Maybe in hunt 2 lol

[hollow iron]

maybe

[digital nacelle]

so that you can take a 2 slot secondary?????

I need to feed my dual pistol addiction somehow and I need a traited hunter to make that happen with full-size rifles

it’s pretty obvious what the upside is

[gilded cypress]

@cinder jasper u sure ur not pressing R3 on accident while aiming to melee . It’s happened to me a few times

[steady vapor]

@brisk garden I like your arena mode post in #game-ideas 👍 People should look at it

[queen jungle]

@sick wind a correction for your post, the ingame springfield does NOT use .45-70, it's the earlier model that uses the weaker .50-70 cartridge

[unborn smelt]

I'm not saying there is no upside. I'm saying this "upside" is not worth it for far to many players to consider them a valid option

[digital nacelle]

good for them ig

[unborn smelt]

And the next thing is this upside isnt even uniqe

[digital nacelle]

sawnoffs rifles are meant to be a niche category imo

not everyone will like them but that's alright

saying that there's "no point" in learning to use them is really quite excessive since it really opens up your secondary options

[unborn smelt]

I'd say judging by pretty much nobody wantimg to play them its not good enough

[digital nacelle]

I see sawnoffs reasonably often in people's loadouts

not even contraband ones either, legendary ones, so they bought them

[late wind]

Sawn off rifles really don't open up your options though. A single uppercut or dual pistols will perform those same tasks, better.

[unborn smelt]

The effort needed isnt worth the hassle.
The vandal wasn't even opressive or anything when it was bugged to have normal sway

[digital nacelle]

quad pistols is indeed nice but sometimes I like having some precision sometimes

and I disagree with an uppercut performing the same tasks better, I'd definitely rather have a mosin obrez than an uppercut

[late wind]

I only need one slot for an uppercut.

[unborn smelt]

Obrez and uppercut serve diffrent purposes to a degree

[digital nacelle]

I don't think you understand

obrez has benefits over the uppercut

and in return, it uses another slot

[unborn smelt]

The obrez has significantly more power

[digital nacelle]

^

it has rifle dropoff, not pistol

[unborn smelt]

Jet only relatively few pick it over an uppercut, even in top ELO

[digital nacelle]

mace is also nice

[late wind]

Yeah but to take real advantage of that you need quartermaster.

[digital nacelle]

in top elo most people run something like long rifle or slugs

[unborn smelt]

Where lack of skill is certainly no issue

[digital nacelle]

personally I like dual pistols

so I like obrez just fine

[unborn smelt]

And over 50% uppercut

[digital nacelle]

well, yes, if you have one slot for a secondary the uppercut is the premier pick

this is known

[unborn smelt]

I mean you can run obrez + sawn off slugs

Or QM

But people dont usually upgrade with QM to obrez either

[digital nacelle]

you can, but it's not worth taking sawn off slugs

and qm is nice but trait points are better spent elsewhere

plus usually you're not running a levelled hunter

[unborn smelt]

In high ELO theres a lot of leveled hunters

[digital nacelle]

the facts are obrez has significantly more power than uppercut, if players choose not to use it that is usually their problem for not being able to deal with its sway

it's not even that bad

I won't say no to a buff as I use it often but I don't find it necessary

[unborn smelt]

I'm not saying its bad

On paper it should be OP

Its 95% of a mosin for 60% of the money

[digital nacelle]

which it is!

and 2/3rds of the loadout allocation

[unborn smelt]

Yet its still pretty rare, and the other ones are even rarer

[digital nacelle]

springfield compact definitely needs help

you can argue for vandal I guess although I think it's fine

[unborn smelt]

Which is why i dont think they need a straight buff - but they could use a rework to do the range task better

Vandal is easiest to argue for needing smth.
Nagant p and fmj conversion dumpster it.

[digital nacelle]

I prefer vandal over nagant p

nagant p is nice for headshots but the damage is vile

[late wind]

The vandal is weird because it loses way more velocity proportionate to what the oberez loses versus the full size mosin. It's insanse.

[digital nacelle]

I mean it's only 30 m/s isn't it

less than 10%

or am I wrong

[unborn smelt]

Nagant gets significantly better Rof and super good stability, making it useful short range all the way to HS range + Qol of blunt dmg.

[late wind]

Also why do you have to unlock custom ammo for the vandal? It uses literally the same ammo as the 1876c and 1876...

[digital nacelle]

stability and rof are nice but I have to wrest it for two taps

as for blunt, most players take knuckle knife or dusters anyway

[unborn smelt]

Fmj conversion trumps it in range, pen and accuracy big time. Has still a good Rof and actually good fanning

[digital nacelle]

yeah fmj conversion is a bit strong lol

I think that needs some rebalancing tbh

however, vandal has significantly more velocity

esp with HV ammo

[unborn smelt]

Nah i think its good

In dualies maybe a bit strong

[digital nacelle]

makes pax irrelevant lol

we don't even talk about scottfield

scottfield is a nice fmj ammo box for cent and vett ig

[unborn smelt]

But on a single one finally a single action worth taking instead of the uppercut

[digital nacelle]

uppercut also needs balancing although a slight damage tuning would do the trick I think

[unborn smelt]

All medium ammo pistols are rather weak, because the jump to long is such a huge improvement while even base CCP to pax is barely a diffrence

[digital nacelle]

true

[unborn smelt]

I just think the sawn off rifles woul be more viable with less sway but other more pronounced downsides

[digital nacelle]

like what?

[unborn smelt]

And maybe then the scoped versions would see play too

[digital nacelle]

admittedly scoped sawn offs are abhorrent

[unborn smelt]

Like make the sway not permanent - but only after shot, or when shooting too fast

[digital nacelle]

sounds like a straight buff to me

[unborn smelt]

Sway conditional rather than permanent, becsuse you should still be able to shoot a stock less gun precise, but no stock means not absorbing recoil

[digital nacelle]

interesting idea

[unborn smelt]

Another option would be the way they nerfed C&K slugs.
The gin has a lot of kick and barely recenters

[digital nacelle]

sounds worse than the current sway tbh

[unborn smelt]

Forcing the user to reaquire aim after each shot

How strong is ofc subject to finetuning just the system is what i mean

Base idea is encourage precise single shots at lower Rof.

But it needs downsides to balance it then

Ideally making it lack in cqc more than now, so worse hipfire at least on springy an obrez.

For ecample

After that they can still reduce dmg, velocity and adjust price a bit if need be

[digital nacelle]

obrez hipfire is already pretty bad ngl

I don't bother trying to hipfire with it

vandal is better though

[unborn smelt]

The base idea is make ranged combat feel less like fighting your own weapon and enable precision shooting but as a tradeoff discourage spamming it in high Rof by debuffing accuracy if done.

If that works out we also have them as the scoped secondaries people ask for sometimes expanding the niche a tiny bit

[cerulean wraith]

We aren't getting the contender because it's blatantly anacronistic. It was introduced in 1967. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson/Center_Contender

[cerulean wraith]

Not at my mmr/servers. I barely see him (pun not intended).

Also the ghillie guy blends in with dark corners much better, especially in underground compounds and thick foliage at dusk/night

@brisk garden something like this? https://youtu.be/X0PKSJe03y8

[near wadi]

I would disagree with anything close to deathmatch mode

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah I don't think this is a good mode either. Could so as a limited time offer, or on rotation with QP

[cerulean wraith]

Oh. Oof.

[vague patio]

@steady vapor you can already heal partners, and resilience is basically the more life after revive trait

Others things are similarly already in but needlessly tied to support trait

I do see the appeal but question if it will actually be used

Traits that dont directly benefit yourself will prob see far less play

Magpie revive is meh, cause magpie is meh

Maybe a guaranteed 1 minute regen for teammate, so they could heal fully without meds, but have to be put of the fight

But then again, the question of why not making it a ego trait

Only thing i could imagine would be +25 hp on revived teamate, not geving the resilience value, but in synergy being a good corpse looker counter

[cerulean wraith]

Trait that gives teammates 25 temporary HP on revive? This HP ticks down until the temp bar is empty?

That would probably be an 8 point perk

Very useful

Probably too useful

[vague patio]

How so when resilience already gives double that

[crystal plume]

Closer to 4 times

Without resilience you get ressed with very little hp

[vague patio]

Plus it can be done by any teammate

[cerulean wraith]

Getting 25 hp back when you've only lost a 25 hp bar is pretty good, even if it is for just a while.

[ruby magnet]

@verbal wedge I don't think relegating the handcrossbow to a tool slot is a good idea. With or without the regular bolts.
It does give idea to using a sling(shot) loaded with poison/ choke pellets that silently take out a.i. or put out hunters.
Perhaps you're no longer using the aim helper like for throwables but instead use the throwing knives reticle.
Of course the pellets create smaller clouds and are mainly used for direct impacting your intended target

[vague patio]

I guess you are talking about the bars that can get burned or get back with banish, which i didnt mean

You dont get any lost bars back

[cerulean wraith]

What if you got a temp 25 hp bar back after being revived by a person who had the "give players you revive 25 temporary hp" trait?

[calm hawk]

i would have 25 hp more than i would have without

[cerulean wraith]

@pearl bolt I see that you downvoted the post about preventing players from leaving during "waiting for players". Any reason why?

[rocky orchid]

isnt it the case that you loose your hunter if you exit the game since the last patch? thought it would be so

[cerulean wraith]

Afaik players can still leave without losing a hunter if they leave during the "waiting for players" text

It's probably a bug

[vague patio]

You keep them, at least sometimes

Yesterday couldnt connect to server and kept the hunter

[cerulean wraith]

Right.

[vague patio]

Cause night map bad

[cerulean wraith]

neon_ns prepares to commit a Hunt crime.

[vague patio]

I mean, i do hate night maps, and prefer to not play them. But it isnt that bad that id extract or leave

[cerulean wraith]

That's sensible

[vague patio]

Literally forget it exists

[cerulean wraith]

Yeet that sucker as far right as it goes and yer done

[vague patio]

Cant be bothered to fuck around in settings

[bronze quail]

@cinder jasper play gunslinger if hunter mode is too hard for you lol

[bronze quail]

I confirm. Afaik even after waiting for players sometimes.

[digital nacelle]

I like to be able to back out as late as possible personally

[unborn smelt]

that kind of is the issue tho

because that leaves spots in night maps empty even tho they already lowered them to astronomically low chances for people that don't like them

And it makes leaving them pay off more becuase the chance you get one again is very low

[digital nacelle]

I guess? I usually use it if a teammate forgets tools or consumables or weapons so we can all reset

spawn fighting when a teammate forgets equipment is very annoying

[unborn smelt]

Yeah absolutely - i don't say it was a purely bad thing

but with so many other things people use it to their advantage more than the intended effect sadly

[digital nacelle]

ig

[cerulean wraith]

Honestly if you forget to bring something that's your fault

The rest of the team shouldn't suffer because of that

You can't just leave them like that

[unborn smelt]

I mean really depends

if you forgor the medkit and melee tool you're likely even a liability for random teammatesd

[cerulean wraith]

Just tell them youll probably die, and that they shouldnt res you unless everything is clear, and stick along. It's still better than leaving.

[unborn smelt]

as you both produce more sound and "anchor" the team to a point if you die because you can't heal

And if it's not random teams you cna communicate it via voice anyway

and i've left plenty of matched because mates forgot smth

[vague patio]

im mean, if that realy happensjust talk and ask if they should try or want to extract

kindaalso their faultfor not checking the teammate ;)

[cerulean wraith]

This.

[bronze quail]

First give me the option to chose what contract to play, then i can maybe accept an anti leave mechanic.
Playing random contracts became kinda boring after 2 years.

[unborn smelt]

well non random contracts were so underused they almost guaranteed empty matches

And generally implementing it in a way many use it, it'd split the queue having negative effects on on SBMM and queue time

[vague patio]

genuinely think, lots of people didnt even know about contracts

[bronze quail]

Were underused back when the average player base was around 5k player instead of 20k like now

[bronze quail]

^^^

[round maple]

Is crytek every going to address trading? Kinda disappointed in the latest news on patch notes from them.

[unborn smelt]

well and i literally gave you why they would create an issue if they were used a lot

[vague patio]

Hunt trading card game

One cain is three felis

[unborn smelt]

I mean why would they ?
We don't know if it's buggy at all, we can only guess. And it's quite literally the result of fixing issues the community kept crying about.
So if they find it to be buggy mabe - but if it's working as intended likely not.

[digital nacelle]

I never forget to bring equipment, as I use presaved loadouts. However, my teammates do sometimes. I am always using discord voice chat to communicate with them, and make sure everyone is in agreement we will return to the lobby, purchase the equipment, and enter another game.

You clearly didn’t understand what I said.

[cerulean wraith]

@unborn mirage getting sniped? Rotate, look for the flash and don't stand still. Using sniper rifles is hard enough as-is, idk how people manage it

[unborn mirage]

not rly

I do what you say but it’s generally unfun for others

[cerulean wraith]

hell, its unfun to play WITH a scope. even deadeye is usually too much unless you play with the FOV cranked up to 110

[digital nacelle]

good argument but no I want winfield fmj

it could have like 350 m/s

even 300

[unborn mirage]

I like martini deadeye sometimes

but like

getting shot from seemingly nowhere through walls and from 100m has made my friends ragequit more than once

there should be more counterplay to snipers

[unborn smelt]

@unborn mirage Scope glint is primarily a balance mechanic in games. And the more modern the setting the less rooted in realism it is, and for there to be glint the incoming light needs to stand in just the right angle

[unborn mirage]

ja, force snipers to be out of the light so you know where to expect them

[cerulean wraith]

there is, it's called "push in close through cover" which i always do, and almost never get sniped (3-4* mmr)

[unborn smelt]

Meh - generally i don't think sniping in hunt needs to be discouraged

[cerulean wraith]

the game itself discourages it by making the main objective be a CQB fight.

[unborn smelt]

with the open map and lots of visual cover you can get out of a snipers LoS pretty reliably

[unborn smelt]

Hard disagree

Bosses are an objective and CQC focused

[cerulean wraith]

how? a scope is a 100% liability when holding a compound.

[unborn smelt]

but so are clues and most important of all, extractions

all of which are in the open

or require you to traverse in the open

[unborn mirage]

I 100% agree but again, not my issue it’s an issue my friends have with the game that makes them ragequit

[cerulean wraith]

there is almost always a path through cover.

[unborn smelt]

And you can hold the Boss coumpound - but you gain nothing important if you don't extract

[unborn mirage]

either glint or a smoke bomb would fix

[cerulean wraith]

dont walk into sniper sightlines then. stick to cover.

[unborn smelt]

If you don't extract you die at the very least to mission timer, meaning you loose whatever you have and don#t get the boss token money

If you just extract without a taken you don't make tonns of money - but you don't loose money and make a bit at least

[unborn mirage]

ok but like hear me out

a sniper covering your friend’s body for 20 minutes isn’t fun gameplay or looping on the outskirts of the compound

[cerulean wraith]

most extracts have cover too. you don't need a scope to safetly extract. nor do you need one to cap a clue or kill the boss. its just a pvp thing, and barely any good at that either because you can't burn

[unborn smelt]

So BH, i'd say favors rifles and to a degree scopes - while QP favors shotguns as the players can actually force CQC engagements due to the way the wellspring works

[unborn mirage]

gameplay wise snipers are fine if you’re willing to wait awhile

but if you aren’t it’s a snooze fest

doubly worse if you’re missing a bar and can’t go outside of cover to rotate

[unborn smelt]

extract cover is spotty and soft, and yes you don't need a scope in any way - but you can still push with a scoped weapon too - you don't need a shotgun. You can get a CQC capable secondary

[unborn smelt]

But i'd say that issue is missing ways to get bars back - not a sniper isue

and Hunt's design makes large flanks pretty easy seeing as there's a wide open map that doesn't restrict your movement in BH

[cerulean wraith]

sure you can, still a waste of a primary imo

[unborn mirage]

yeah but never pushing just rotating outside a compound with cain sparks sniper is super lame

even when obj is available

the issue my friends have is that long ammo in general promotes passive play

which isn’t fun to be against

[unborn smelt]

I mean i'd say the popularity of long rifles is testimony that they tend to work best in BH. Because QP where the objective is proovable a CQC focus if one wants to, shotguns are king by far

[cerulean wraith]

all 95% of snipers achieve is getting killed by a shotgun because whoop-de-doo, sniping on an open map with almost no players is hard. Most snipers also dont move in close with a secondary, don't support and don't revive.

[unborn smelt]

generally you can do both very well right now

but design wise i think BH favors rifles pretty clearly

That's not a reason to nerf snipers tho IMO

[cerulean wraith]

yeah

like I said, hard enough to use already without making them completely useless via scope glare always giving your position away

[unborn mirage]

snipers doing jack squat all game is still an issue that doesn’t have an easy fix

[unborn smelt]

Is it an issue tho ?

Sure it feels annoying and bad - especially if they get you

[cerulean wraith]

if you wanna play the objective, presumably what we're here for, it is.

[unborn smelt]

but hunt gives people a lot of ways to combat that playstyle

[unborn smelt]

Well no you can play the objective without sitting straight on top of it

[cerulean wraith]

can't kill a boss or cap a clue from sniper range

[unborn smelt]

absolutely can

[cerulean wraith]

w a t

[unborn mirage]

yeah dude they buffed serpent

[unborn smelt]

you can bring consumables or secondaries to deal with it quick and then reposition outside again

[unborn mirage]

you can investigate clues from 200m now

[unborn smelt]

You don't need to keep sitting on the bosses corpse for banish.

[cerulean wraith]

true but 95% of snipers prefer to just sit in a bush 100m away

[unborn smelt]

that is true

but people can absolutely do otherwise

[native lodge]

the bigger issue I find with snipers is the ease of which the resupply ammo

[unborn smelt]

heck one of my fav laodouts is sniper with sabre. It's half a meme but it can do both - it's up to how the player builds the loadouts

[cerulean wraith]

useless bush campers are my main problem with most snipers and why I assume a sniper is shit until proven otherwise

[native lodge]

so instead of rewarding good accuracy there is more to be gained by taking more shots

then resupplying

[unborn smelt]

I mean the issue there is stacking ammo with the Upper

[cerulean wraith]

ye

[native lodge]

yep

[unborn smelt]

if a sniper only had 15 rounds of long it wouldn't be an issue

[cerulean wraith]

laughs in 18 spare rounds for the Avtomat

[unborn smelt]

because even resupplying would force em to move or bring ammo boxes

[cerulean wraith]

now that is a gun

[unborn mirage]

which is why hunt is a great game but also there is definitely unfun play styles that people have that make people leave hunt

[cerulean wraith]

if you let a sniper kill you its usually your own bad play because there is a 90% chance the sniper sucks (3-4*mmr)

[unborn mirage]

which is true

I agree

[unborn smelt]

But in a Sanbox game you shouldn't go out of your way to discourage playstyles or make them less valid IMO

instead you should implement or buff available counter strats

[unborn mirage]

ok easy solution

smoke bomb

[cerulean wraith]

move through cover

[unborn smelt]

Which they did lately

[unborn mirage]

obscure vision with a tool

[unborn smelt]

while there is technical issues with full on smokebombs

[unborn mirage]

there’s more cover but it isn’t always enough

[cerulean wraith]

dynamite makes a lotta smoke now i heard

[unborn mirage]

ja but it’s expensive as shit

[cerulean wraith]

there are also chokes

[unborn mirage]

I bring big dynamite just to make smoke

[native lodge]

serverside smoke bombs are not great for performance, and client side is unreliable

[unborn smelt]

they added some of the utility to firebombs (create thick black smoke now) and to concertina (temporary barrier that's hard to shoot through on range)

[cerulean wraith]

and concertina coils for unreliable hard cover

[unborn smelt]

on night maps fuzees and flares do the trick too

[cerulean wraith]

oh right, firebombs make smoke

[unborn smelt]

better than dynamites now

[cerulean wraith]

youre never gonna fight a sniper on night because they'll insta-quit

[unborn smelt]

Watch me don't leave

[native lodge]

wouldn't bet on that

[unborn smelt]

[cerulean wraith]

at least half the time

[native lodge]

still feels good slapping a six star with scope on a fog map, but I'm glad he didn't leave

but yeah I would prefer nerfing the ammo pickups for snipers rather than scope glint

[dire knot]

Scope glint would make sniping kinda just pointless, since you’ll get headshot by someone with an uppercut most likely

That said, some sort of concealment wouldn’t be a bad idea, but I suspect it would get irritatingly common pretty fast and just enable shotgun camping

[unborn mirage]

so I tested the fire smoke if that zombie was a player rezzing a teammate they'd be dead

would it be possible to just make choke bombs emit that black smoke instead

[normal horizon]

im pretty sure the bomb would be infront of the revive with you further away not that close

[unborn mirage]

alright I have another let me test that too

not good enough still

[normal horizon]

I dont really see what you're seeing

[unborn mirage]

oh I shot the zombie behind the smoke

just didn't take the ss at a good enough time

[native lodge]

I mean its client side smoke right? at least not moving around much and not moving dynamically so its not huge issue

[unborn smelt]

I mean that is already pretty damn good cover (and somebody that close is hardly sniping)

[native lodge]

but how much smoke can you add before performance gets weird is what I want to know

[unborn mirage]

if there isn't much performance issues with choke bomb you can just make the choke bomb affect darker

ezpz

choke bomb buff too

[unborn smelt]

Well that's the issue tho - we don't know if it's that ezpz, because we're not the ones doing the work for the game

we can guess but they in the past stated there is technical difficulties with addding smokebombs that work the way they want them to

[unborn mirage]

the issue is that the smoke from firebomb isn't good enough concealment

even with dynamic movement

cover etc

there are times you just can't push or rez because someone from know knows where will snipe you

smoke fixes that

you get dynamic movement and dynamic concealment

[unborn smelt]

Honestly - it generally is. it's far from perfect and yes it might not get you a free rez in the open

[native lodge]

client side smoke bombs have their own issues

[unborn smelt]

but you don't need that good cover to push a sniper

the original discussion was about snipers being too strong and having too little counterplay - and there is some counterplay in chokes, fire and concertina bombs

[unborn mirage]

you can also throw big dynamite bundle if you want to spend 110 on blocking a sightline

[unborn smelt]

but it doesn't need to be 100% foolproof counterplay - if the sniper hits you in movement through smoke and the haze effect he might just shoot good enough to deserve it

[unborn mirage]

the problem and the reason I suggested glint and smoke bombs and stuff isn't that long ammo is too op and needs nerf

it's because the waiting 20 minutes with nothing happening loses players to the game

[unborn smelt]

you don't need to

[unborn mirage]

I personally have no issue waiting and doing funny spin jumps

[unborn smelt]

bring a concertina

[unborn mirage]

long pens concertina no

[unborn smelt]

they might see you revive but will likely not make the shot through

[unborn smelt]

only singular strands

[native lodge]

I still think that this goes back to the ammo pool you can get as sniper

[unborn mirage]

ja

[unborn smelt]

you can still use it for portable cover by getting the center, where there's lots of wire to be in the way of the shot

[unborn mirage]

less ammo means more rotation to resupply

that's a solution

[unborn smelt]

just takes some affort and good placement

[unborn mirage]

and if they poopoo they won't kill u until they run out

which is what opten happens

[unborn smelt]

and if you move from cover to cover, the smoke of a dynamite or firebomb should be enough on it's own

[native lodge]

they would have to conserve more ammo, which means the sniper can't take pot shots at you every chance they get

[unborn mirage]

all I'ma say, there is definitely an issue with snipers and rats in general in the game. I want to play with friends because I love the shit out of hunt but passive players end play sessions that were at one point very fun for them. I personally do not have an issue with how the game plays, but if there was even more options to flush out passive players or more counterplay for certain playstyles there would be higher player retention 100%. Others who are newer or play a wider variety of games may oftentimes get tired of said passive players and put down the game.

any solution is better than none, if not smoke, if not less ammo, if not glint, literally anything will do

[unborn smelt]

smth that somebody suggested ages ago was scope glint if you shine at them with an electric lamp, which i thought was a pretty good compromise

It would give some extra use to the electric lamp and wouldn't impact sniping all that much if people don#t actually try to counter it

[late wind]

Scope glint could be interesting. But it would really need some tuning. Light would have to directly hit your scope. Not anything like battlefield where it's constant.

[plush ledge]

@glass fable just click leave mission and cancel reconnect, even when the message says that you'll lose your hunter you won't just click OK. But you need to invite your mates again.

[peak bay]

Would be nice if we could use our legendary characters without spending 200 hunt dollars, but without the random 3 perks

[late wind]

Also. A more esoteric question: Should we be trying to balance the game around people who do or don't prestiege?

[digital nacelle]

1. make prestiging not terrible
2. balance around prestiging

in that order

[round maple]

It wouldn't be so bad if you could pick one weapon line you want to keep unlocked.

[late wind]

Literally everyone would pick the mosin first.

[round maple]

Or even skip the weapons. I would rather have consumables.

[round maple]

Not true I would pick sparks.

[craggy pike]

I don't think weapons should use cost as a balancing metric

[digital nacelle]

I would pick conversion

[craggy pike]

people who don't prestige can buy w/e they want

[round maple]

^^ I could just stop prestiging like most other sweats.

[digital nacelle]

your name is cain abuser you have no leg to stand on

[round maple]

I only abuse cain until they change it. I want them to change it and I paid for it.

[late wind]

Yeah but nerfing high tier weapons because babies who can't live without them leads to guns becoming paperweights. E.g. Bornhiem/Dolch.

People who don't prestige sit on 80k dollars. So price isn't an issue. Which means that these weapons get nerfed too hard.

[native lodge]

balancing around the idea you have full access to the whole arsenal, because even during prestige can get most weapons just fine

[round maple]

lol bornheim only got a price increase which wasn't that bad. Dolch needed it.

Bornheim did get slight damage nerf but only after a buff because it was two-shotting with compact ammo changes which was a bit much.

Kinda like the dolch two-shotting which also got a range nerf becuse of the damage decrease.

[digital nacelle]

how is dolch a paperweight

I still think it’s the strongest fast-firing sidearm

it’s certainly a poor value proposition in comparison to the officer but still very strong

[native lodge]

its less cost effective now, but its still over all an effective weapon

[round maple]

It is still the strongest sidearm IMO, but people don't play it as much because it's costs a ton and the officer / born can do something very similar.

[digital nacelle]

officer can do something very similar*

I think dolch should cost $349 tbh

[lunar kettle]

Then people would use it as often as before and it would be like before.

[round maple]

If it was that cheap I would buy it over officer every time.

[native lodge]

I think it could be cheaper

but not that much

[digital nacelle]

it would be like before, except it wouldn’t because it’s much more balanced now

[craggy pike]

doesn't that imply that the weapon is still a problem, making it cost-prohibitive doesn't change the fact it's very strong

[digital nacelle]

dolch is strong, yes, but $750 for its current state is obscene

[lunar kettle]

I think it's balanced because of the combination:
More recoild, less dmg, less range, less reloadspeed + Cost.

It's all together.

[craggy pike]

semi-automatics were a mistake in this game

[unborn smelt]

I mean if people playing Dolch "often" is a reason to nerf it into submission, what about that 50% playrate weapon...

[digital nacelle]

it’s balanced to be maybe $399, $449 at most

$750 is obscene

[unborn smelt]

jokes aside they nerfed the Dolch so people stopped complaining

[digital nacelle]

uppercut is more deserving of a $750 price tag than dolch

[craggy pike]

i haven't been around long enough, what did they do to nerf dolch?

[unborn smelt]

I don't think they'll try to actually balance it because people at least shut up now

[digital nacelle]

halved reload speed, increased sway when firing and lowered damage by almost 15

[lunar kettle]

They won't touch it again.

[digital nacelle]

probably

[craggy pike]

just lock that problem away behind a gold padlock

[unborn smelt]

and it's better to have it too weak than to have it be the undisputed king even if it's balanced by costing more than double the money than the competition

[craggy pike]

there should be no shame in removing a badly designed gun

but what does cost matter to someone with 100k Hunt Bucks?

[round maple]

^^^^ Avto, cough cough. Doesn't belong in the game. Even if it's not op which I think it isn't.

[unborn smelt]

It's not badly designed - especially after the nerfs it's very tame both compared to the other guns and what it used to be

[craggy pike]

so why does it still cost so much?

[lunar kettle]

My beloved avto stays!

[unborn smelt]

people just hold a grudge against it because it used to be so incredibly frustrating

[unborn smelt]

if i had to guess - so people shut up and get over it

[digital nacelle]

which is precisely why it needs a price drop

[digital nacelle]

^^^

[craggy pike]

that's still trying to hide a problem instead of tackling it

[lunar kettle]

Instead of a price reduction for the dolch:
Maybe a increase for bornheim and officer?

[round maple]

When you can pop around a corner and get two shot by someone 70 meters away before you can react it's kind of annoying.

[unborn smelt]

It's not a problem anymore is what i'm saying

they nerfed the stats quite significantly

[craggy pike]

it's not a problem because it isn't used as much because non-prestigers are the only ones that can afford it

[round maple]

And despite that the dolch is still seen plenty and is one of the strongest side-arms.

[craggy pike]

if it were affordable by all then it's clearly still a problem gun

[unborn smelt]

It's not

it can still kill and it can still spam you

[craggy pike]

just because you don't see the truck doesn't mean it's not going to hit you

[unborn smelt]

yes

[round maple]

If the dolch were teh same cost as the uppercut I guarantee you it would have the same play-rate.

[unborn smelt]

But the competition is the officer which can too at a fraction of the price

[unborn smelt]

no

pretty sure it wouldn't

[craggy pike]

why even have this problem gun in the game in the first place

[unborn smelt]

But we can just guess that because we don't actually know

[round maple]

Then how can you say no lol.

[unborn smelt]

we do however that even in top ELO in it's unnerfed state it was never as popular as the Uppercut, not was it more deadly in fact

[craggy pike]

have the backbone to realize that it doesn't belong with the other guns and take it out, "oopsie we put a semi-auto two-shotter in with our single actions"

[round maple]

I still see it a ton and also see officers a ton. Those people who play officer wouldn't pay slightly more to get a little more two-shot range and a much larger magazine?

[unborn smelt]

becuse the devs did present us that data to proove people wrong that argued more with feelings and tried presenting it as fact

If there is any pistol that's oppressive stat wise - it's the uppercut. Very clear case.

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[craggy pike]

they're both obnoxious guns

that doesn't mean they're both fine

[unborn smelt]

Now don't get me wrong i don't think the dolch was a good designed gun

[craggy pike]

you can have two problems at the same time without comparing them, ya know

[round maple]

The only reason you see uppercut more is because you can run it with lebel / mosin / sparks and get more ammo plus better return at regular ammo supplies.

[queen jungle]

Uppercut is used mroe as wel with slug shotguns too

It’s essentially a mini Mosin

[round maple]

Because it's the longest range pistol.

[queen jungle]

It has long ammo

[unborn smelt]

It's nature of being designed to be the strongest by a long shot balanced by being the most expensive by a long shot is basically a surefire way to create a gun that people will hate with a passion

[queen jungle]

Good muzzle velocity

[unborn smelt]

because it never feels like you got outskilled

[digital nacelle]

dual conversion fmj is being real quiet right now

[unborn smelt]

it will always feel like the enemy threw more money at the issue

[late wind]

The dolch is the ultimate boogeyman of hunt.

[unborn smelt]

which is why i really appreciate the Dolch being changed.

[queen jungle]

Not anymore

[unborn smelt]

But not a problem anymore =/= equal balanced now

[queen jungle]

That title is for the Mosin spritzer

[round maple]

Duals are the boogeyman now.

[queen jungle]

Like I stated it’s long ammo, slugs and dualies

Those three are notorious

[late wind]

Slugs?

Really?

[queen jungle]

And too strong for their given price and combat

[round maple]

Slugs aren't that bad.

[queen jungle]

They are it’s the limb shots that cause slug players to rethink what they bought

Other than that slugs can two tap at Winnie range

[late wind]

Slugs can be annoying. Yes. But I'm not sure they're game breaking.

[native lodge]

Slugs are annoying when they get the drop on you, but easy to play around if their cover is blown

[unborn smelt]

way beyond

[queen jungle]

That’s if you get the drop on them and turn around a clutch

An good player isn’t going to do that

[unborn smelt]

afaik slugs (from 3 slot shotguns) 2 tap to upper torso at medium ammo range

[digital nacelle]

not really, I believe rachta tested it to be 48 meters did he not?

[queen jungle]

They will wait to just aim chest region

[unborn smelt]

60-70m

[craggy pike]

which guns make slugs a problem? I think I know the answer

would it be the semi-automatic C&K? no, couldn't be...

[queen jungle]

The major ones are double barrel, crown, spectre

[unborn smelt]

I thought i saw a death screen at a bit over 60m

[native lodge]

if I'm playing literally anything with decent velocity its just an uppercut fight at range, they aren't a problem

[digital nacelle]

hm

I wish deathscreen showed where you were hit

[native lodge]

duelies are also annoying but not op

[queen jungle]

You’re better off running dum dum then so you can jsut punish them for pushing

[unborn smelt]

Might be wrong tho - if anyone has evidence that suggests otherwise i'll glady admit i'm wrong

[queen jungle]

They are too common

[digital nacelle]

because now that I think about it. 48 meters could have very well been a lower chest shot doing 75 dmg

[queen jungle]

For their price

And efffeciency

[digital nacelle]

lol they broken as hell

[native lodge]

nah

[digital nacelle]

and I’m loving it

[craggy pike]

can't wait for this game to go full automatic

[round maple]

The problem with dualies is they never feel good to die to. Did this person actually hit me in the head or did they get lucky?

[craggy pike]

there's a firerate creep

[digital nacelle]

both

[queen jungle]

I mean you are the same person that says slugs can be countered but I mean idk I just play to have. Fun not competitively

[late wind]

Not to mention the RNG of dualies is way too favorable. It's only slightly worse than ads on single pistols.

[round maple]

I can't say good shot when someone kills me with dualies because I don't know.

[digital nacelle]

^^^ it’s so good lol

y’all should convert

play quad con fmj w/me

[native lodge]

I aim better than duelies percentages

I prefer something mroe solid

[queen jungle]

And generally if you run them it’s better to do that when you’re a fresh prestieged or just fresh hunter

[unborn smelt]

here Rachta says ~70m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0tttq9Dytw

[queen jungle]

Ok we get it Mosin main but that doesn’t mean they are not a problem @

[digital nacelle]

that’s what they all say before I rain hell on em from 50 meters away and aimpunch

[queen jungle]

It’s still for it’s cost way too effective

Any good player knows they are

Why else would it be ran a lot

[native lodge]

I almost never run mosins so its not that

[native lodge]

the times I headshot duelies at that range is more than they headshot me, they are just annoying

[unborn smelt]

To be fair tho there is not proof shown either so we can't say it is like that undoubtedly

[queen jungle]

If you pay for 150 to have a decent rifle and I jsut pay 65-70 for two pistols majority of ranges is simply just an simple “spam fest till I hit you once or twice to trigger aim punch

[round maple]

In a game with slow-fire-rate weapons anything that fires fast is going to be perceived as op. Just the way it is.

[digital nacelle]

wait I got it wrong

you’re right nvm

[digital nacelle]

I usually don’t headshot I just two tap

[late wind]

Accuracy through volune of fire is pretty antithetical to Hunt. And it probably ought to be curtailed.

[round maple]

When a mosin or lebel can fire one shot while the dualies guy fires 4 it's going to feel like you are disadvantaged. Which you are in close range.

[late wind]

Hot take.

[unborn smelt]

Meh it really depends IMO

[native lodge]

I mean I use cover and and give duelies space and its not really an issue, I don't even love duelies how they are, they just aren't op

[round maple]

I mean even with the so-called rng aspect within 40 meters if you can't get one of those to land on the head you are kinda unlucky with a 1/4 advantage.

[unborn smelt]

if you take high RoF out of balancing because "people don't like it"
you end up with a lot of very similar and similarly playing guns

[digital nacelle]

that may be true with dual chain

but dual conversion is so accurate

[unborn smelt]

however i do agree it shouldn't be overdone

[digital nacelle]

in reality dual pistols should do 2x firerate of their single variant

instant balance

[round maple]

Theoretically yes, but you can't always do that. Sometimes there are situations where you can't keep space becuse you have another team blocking your movement.

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[unborn smelt]

and the way hunt's core system of ammo types works paired with people hating on most stuff with high RoF leaves very little room to add cool new stuff that doesn't essentially play like one of the guns we already have

[digital nacelle]

the people have spoken

[round maple]

2x fire rate even is fast. I would prefer to see something with same or maybe 1.25 times where you actually have to ads with each pistol.

[queen jungle]

Oh yay more levering fmj

👎

[digital nacelle]

[native lodge]

yeah they aren't high skill weapons, what I am saying is the vast majority of the time I can out shoot duelies, but they are unfun to play or play against in my opinion.

[digital nacelle]

people act like they don’t deal with a more accurate levering fmj it’s called dual wield

winfield fmj when

[queen jungle]

But out shoot them with what?

Positioning is one thing

It what about what kind of weaponry you use

[round maple]

That's the entire problem with them. I absolutely hate rng mechanics in shooters which is a big reason i haven't play tarkov in forever becuase they started putting in too much RNG into balistics.

[unborn smelt]

well you can't ads dualies

[queen jungle]

Cause the only rifle that can compete is a Winnie with iron repeater

[digital nacelle]

they’re super fun to play

[unborn smelt]

you can with levering

[digital nacelle]

yes but then you can’t lever

so

[unborn smelt]

I usually try not to cry OP (even very strong stuff isn't necessarily OP, A tier isn't OP by defualt)

[digital nacelle]

I don’t even care most of the time

[native lodge]

almost anything

[unborn smelt]

But FMJ Winnie might be pushing it. I'd be up to try it on test but there is a high chance it'd be too stronk

[digital nacelle]

if something is op I can just use it and get free kills

[digital nacelle]

make velocity 300 m/s or something

[queen jungle]

If the weapon is generally good or offers generally great offers in gunfight it’s meta

[round maple]

Levering winnie wiht FMJ no thank you.

[queen jungle]

That’s every shooter out there

[unborn smelt]

FMJ springy tho - that's smth i'd love to see

[queen jungle]

Then 2 months later it’ll be changed back to 400 the balance is fucked

[round maple]

Inc. full teams running ammo boxes and winnie with fmj levering lighting up compounds. The indoors wouldn't be safe.

[queen jungle]

I dotn want special ammo any mroe

It’s already broken

I jsut want a balanced shooter

Where I can win a gunfight with skill

[digital nacelle]

???

[queen jungle]

Not rng

Not ammo type

Just basic

[round maple]

I am not a fan either. I think any of the specials that are worhtwhile are a bit on the over-powered side and the others are mostly just garbage that hardly see play.

[queen jungle]

Rn it’s just too much seeing dualies Fmj/HV/Slug spam

[unborn smelt]

he has a point that people can alredy do that with FMJ Dualies

[digital nacelle]

they already aren’t when my team rolls up with 6 conversion fmj pairs

[round maple]

I have seen that too and I think it's stupid.

[digital nacelle]

it’s great

[round maple]

Quad conversion chains with FMJ.

[digital nacelle]

chain bad

bad accuracy

[unborn smelt]

But i do think FMJ on a Winnie would be too cheap

[queen jungle]

The two major ones that are bad are Fire and poison, the good ones are FmJ plus Pennyshot , and the best ones are Slugs, HV.

[digital nacelle]

I think in general fmj shouldn’t extend range

and the velocity decrease should be higher on compact ammo

[round maple]

Don't forget spitzer where you can derender compounds and get headshots from 400 meters.

[digital nacelle]

300 to 270 is not noticeable lol

[unborn smelt]

It'd still lack the dmg of smth like long ammo and the velocity

But a wInnie is only 41$ and FMJ compact is what 35$ even at 60$ that wouldpotentially outvalue many medium weapons

[queen jungle]

Btw they removed the weapon smith system cause it was going to be confusing about balance but special ammo is allowed in the game cause it changes the weapons identity but at the same time breaks it…..

[round maple]

I wouldn't even mind a general decrease in bullet velocity for mosin / lebel. I think the range at which it's easy to headshot people with scoped variants is dumb.

Not to mention high elo is filled with snipers rigth now because trading sucks and dualies aren't fun to play against.

[queen jungle]

Why can we not get back the weapon smith system teaser back before release

I want to try an Mosin scope with bayonet

[digital nacelle]

trading does suck

[queen jungle]

I want to try a Winnie silent with a talon

I want to try an nagant silent with duster

[queen jungle]

Yet it’s the only thing I find better in the game with how bad the balance is , it’s the only thing that keeps me playing

[digital nacelle]

I want dual conversion fmj mace variant

:)

[round maple]

you know what that made me think... i wouldn't mind high velo if it was only allowed to be put on silenced variants.

[digital nacelle]

hv needs nerf

maybe slight dmg decrease

[queen jungle]

How you gonna nerf it

[digital nacelle]

like spitzer

[queen jungle]

Damage is already low

[round maple]

You can't do that with hv because compact ammo damage is so low it will make the winnie headshot range like 70 meters which isn't much.

[digital nacelle]

for example maybe 98 dmg for winnie hv

[digital nacelle]

true

[round maple]

At 100 meters the damage dropoff is like .3 for the winnie.

[queen jungle]

Rn even then it’s best to just run long ammo cause long ammo has a bigger hit box size compare to compact

Why run a gun for headshots at 600 meters with a small hit window

When I jsut buy a sparks

[unborn smelt]

It does not

[round maple]

Yea I was going to say I don't think that true. It would be broken if long had a bigger hitbox.

[digital nacelle]

^

[unborn smelt]

Long ammo has a lot going for it, highest dmg, range, base velocity but hitbox size aint one of them

[digital nacelle]

be nice if avto had a semi auto mode

[round maple]

Lord no. If you could single-fire that weapon why run mosin?

[digital nacelle]

better irons lol

[unborn smelt]

they specifically took that functionality out of it

[digital nacelle]

fair enough

[unborn smelt]

people would QS off the old avto to do that

[digital nacelle]

hm interesting

[unborn smelt]

so they made it if you swapp off the gun before the min 3 rounds burst finished you still loose the 3 ammo

[digital nacelle]

ouch

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[round maple]

@vagrant yarrow Learn how to post lol.

This is the third one.

[glass fable]

Yeah i know that, but we are not always ready at the computer when the game pops in, we play for fun not hardcore to start running at the exact second the game start to not lose a second lol So this option is good but my point was that 3 teams went for the extract at the start of the game. Because it was the night. its says a lots. Never when you start a game in day time that would have happen, no one shoot each other lol
Night are just plain bad for this time of pvp game. I see so many people that dislike it. a couple of % of players that like it should not force nearly 90% of the other if not more to play it. Not talking here about how the bad RNG is.... i am listing all game i play if they are Day night of Fog, i am about to reach 200 and the same issue happens over and over. its always 10-20 day game, then boom 4 to 6 game night or fog, then 10-20 day and so on. Its never 5 day, 1 night, 10 day, 1 fog.... there is just something wrong with there RNG programing. I try to point it out last time i talk with Rangorok last time but it seems like this issue was not important to them so.

[worthy mauve]

Back when you could queue daytime specifically it was just full servers of snipers. I think that's the value in night time and fog even if they aren't the most enjoyable

[late wind]

Dolch smuggler when? Muzzle break and offset deadeye scope. The sway would still make it basically unusable at deadeye range. But there's already plenty of pop culture references in game. Why not this?

[cerulean wraith]

[late wind]

Let's just go full ham on memes.

Also replace the statue on Upper DeSalle with this one

[digital nacelle]

@worthy mauve I’m all for HC buff as I use it often but it’s kinda op rn as is

one taps to the chest farther than full size slugs

[late wind]

The hand crossbow is hardly OP lol.

[digital nacelle]

has a ton of ammo

[digital nacelle]

spoken like someone who hasn’t used it

[late wind]

It's my second most used secondary.

[digital nacelle]

guess you use uppercut 99% of the time then

[late wind]

Regular Pax. Close though. They are both revolvers.

[digital nacelle]

hand crossbow is super strong

it has crazy one tap range, applies bleed on hit, has a lot of ammo is one slot, and super cheap

[ionic kernel]

hand crossbow is strong if you can hit your shots with it, but that's true with literally almost any and every gun

[digital nacelle]

plus you can pick up the ammo

[digital nacelle]

chest one tap is up to like 20 meters

romero irrelevant compared to hand crossbow with bolt thrower

good hipfire as well

[ionic kernel]

20m chest one tap sounds good but i'd rather have something to do follow up shots with in case i dont hit the head at range

[worthy mauve]

All for it being tweaked around damage as well. I just find it furstrating to use

[digital nacelle]

I guess

[digital nacelle]

at range why are you using it

it should be used as an AI killer and close range “shotgun”

[ionic kernel]

??

im saying i'd rather pick something that i can use at range

not saying that i use hand crossbow for range

[calm hawk]

wtf is that

[digital nacelle]

well, then, I don’t think hand crossbow is for you, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t strong

and again as a one slot your primary options are very diverse

[late wind]

An actual statue of some old general. So hilariously awful.

[digital nacelle]

HC is definitely slept on currently imo

ever since the range buff it’s super good against players

[calm hawk]

it looks like a mary go round or whatever its called

[digital nacelle]

I hadn’t thought about that but you’re right!

[calm hawk]

cant unsee now

[opaque moss]

Any news about Linux support? EAC will enable it for proton soon?

[calm hawk]

floating guns bug is the best

pls never fix crytek

[atomic cipher]

@glass fable yep. same with dusk dawn. half the players leave. at least in my experience. Would make so much sense to give an option to choose the time of the day before the match. BUT I don't think it will ever happen

[queen jungle]

id like to see this evidence of half the players leaving when its not day because it sounds like something yall are just pulling out of your ass

[calm hawk]

i think people leave desalle

[atomic cipher]

Problem with reading? Try again - "at least in my experience". Again?

[worthy mauve]

Seems like people should be punished for just abandoning maps

[lethal oyster]

Why tho? Why isn't it fine if peeps don't wanna play a specific setting?

[round maple]

it's not like League where you have to stay in the whole time that would be dumb. I think you underestimate some people. If that did that not only would it piss people off, but also the people who are already extracting would just not engage in fighting and xp farm the whole time.

[grizzled mural]

re: my feedback item about contracts, hunters should be taking the risks they'll accept for the reward they desire -- if contracts were brought back, maybe night bounties could be worth more?

on that note, my suggestion from a while ago, the bounty needs to be worth more -- have collected tokens be a currency that's redeemed to use legendaries

[worthy mauve]

You're talking about dodging queue in a competitive game, that's bannable in literally every game

[grizzled mural]

its competitive in that its pvp, but its nothing like overwatch or league

[queen jungle]

Use or buy

[grizzled mural]

use

[queen jungle]

Uhhh

[grizzled mural]

like, I have cain, but I need to spend 2 tokens to use him

[queen jungle]

And you only get one token by extracting?

[grizzled mural]

numbers can be fudged

but the point is, players would be more interested in the bounty if it was the only way for them to use their skins

[queen jungle]

Yeah but no matter how you look at it, it would decrease monetary income for crytek because less people are going to be buying legendaries if they require tokens

[grizzled mural]

exchange blood bonds for tokens

checkmate

[queen jungle]

So people buy legendaries for blood bonds... then spend more blood bonds to use the legendaries

It ain't happening

[grizzled mural]

i meant, you can spend blood bonds to buy tokens

[queen jungle]

Yeah

It's the same thing bro

[grizzled mural]

but you can get tokens from... getting tokens

[queen jungle]

This still doesn't change what I said

Less people will but legendaries

[grizzled mural]

people are going to stop playing the game if people keep ignoring the bounty /shrug

[queen jungle]

Aight well I'm gonna pull the anecdotal card and say that i dont see people ignoring bounties

Like I'm really confused here yall

[grizzled mural]

also anecdotal, about 30% of my games end in a server wipe at a spawn fight because players #1 priority is pvp so they'll book it across the map towards gunshots

[queen jungle]

The only time I have an overwhelming amount of spawnfights is on desalle, but thats like a whole nother topic

And server wipe spawnfights only happens only trios too

Had a streak a few days back where we had like 3 matches in a row like that

Also I want to point out that after your server wipes, I bet the surviving team went to banish the boss anyway

So....

[grizzled mural]

because who's going to turn down free money, but having been in that situation, I find it pretty boring busy-work, and it happens more often than i'd like

my thoughts are that, if you could find a more significant and unique reward for extracting with the bounty, maybe teams would instead take advantage of shots in the distance to know they might be able to get the easy bounty and run (more exciting than a server wipe imo)

[queen jungle]

I was just pointing that out because I thought you were trying to tie that into the thing about people ignoring bounties? Like I get that having a 3-party+ spawnfight is pretty fuckin annoying but I've always felt like it's pretty rare

Wait you think that getting bounty and extracting without fighting is fun?

[grizzled mural]

I think getting chased / ambushed / having a back and forth is fun

More fun than server wipes followed by lots of quiet running

Of course compound fights are awesome, but it feels pointless when the whole server shows up at the first or second clue

[queen jungle]

I feel like this entire discussion is going to devolve into a bunch of anecdotal stuff because all that I can say is that I don't have this experience

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[grizzled mural]

If I just wanted elim deathmatch I'd play a different game, yaknow? I'd just like to see more matches that flow in the way only hunt can.

Yeah fair enough ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[digital nacelle]

@keen violet nagant has a niche, very high ammo count AND hv ammo

plus fastest fanning

I do agree it could use a buff though

they wouldn’t want to give it less sway or recoil because then it would make the nagant precision useless

[keen violet]

this though is the thing

"sure it have.. HV. ammo.. " but people only use the HV its got for the winny
"sure its got a huge ammo count"
well. in that regard the lemat have 9 shots PLUS a shotgun shot.

fastest fanning? really? well thats surely something wildly unexpected since its 40rpm. is lower than the other revolvers that can also be fanned. if that is really thing which i dont doubt then the game should heavly communicated that to the player

i know though that its "spray" is bigger than convo.. which makes convo imo still a better pick for fanning jsut cause. its more precise (so much in fact that people dual wield it up to 50 or more meters)

[digital nacelle]

conversion has more accurate fanning but nagant is faster and has an extra round

dual conversion is another thing entirely lol

[keen violet]

well lemat have 2 extra rounds...

[digital nacelle]

and what is good about it is both high ammo count AND hv

[digital nacelle]

much slower

[keen violet]

and as said i dont doubt you in "being faster"
but form stats. it shows it not being faster

[digital nacelle]

fanning stats are misleading

since there aren’t any

there should be though

that’s another topic entirely