feedback-discussion

[muted rain]

gg

[crystal plume]

Even if it didn't, it's existed since 2018

And is iconic to the game, love it or hate it

[muted rain]

Its funny because in BF1 is actually the worst shotgun in the game

Even with slugs, the thing is terrible

You need the extended variant to kill

[zinc turret]

Can't think of any changes that would make auto shoguns balanced besides no reserve and no special ammo - which they won't do either. At least I've got the peace of mind that I shouted at cloud (that doesn't listen)

[muted rain]

You can think of it, OHK ranges nerfs since they are spam shotguns

A C&K shouldnt have the same tap as a romero

But that brings up an ancient problem, a system where money doesnt matter but its taken into consideration as a balancing tool

so you get "haha C&K better"

[zinc turret]

Err, what's OHK?

[muted rain]

One shot kill

the distances where a weapon (bow, xbow, shotguns) tap

For example, on long barreled shotguns, the slug one tap is like 15m or 16m (to upper torso) (i forgot, numbers might be wrong)

Bow with HH (hundred hands, the perk) is 30M upper torso

[zinc turret]

Not sure that would help much, to be honest. It's still a shotgun and as such should do decent damage at anything considered close range.

[muted rain]

XBOW is similar if i remember, like 32m or so

[zinc turret]

Oh yeah, slugs are weird to begin with. Not sure how they work in reality, but they don't do that much damage considering how fat they are, surely?

[muted rain]

It would change entirely how you fight against another shotgunners

If you had a shotgun with significantly more range rather than 14m vs 15m

you could fight differently, or if you had more wallbang with certain ammo type to pair with your secondary

That OHK extra metter is very rare to be taken seriously into consideration, as it barely plays a factor

Example: before specter was buffed (recently), when slate came it out, it was a cheap meta weapon

It wasnt a good a C&K buckshot/slug

But it had everything that the specter had (plus you dont needed perks) minus 1 meter of OHK

People didnt give any sort of relevance to that OHK, as it really doesnt matter

With shotguns, you want your shot to OHK or to be able to pump your second shot as fast as you can

the differences between barrels (14m vs 15m buckshot) isnt enough to make a difference

If that did, we would be talking about how romero alamo is "meta"

which would be simply dumb tbh

[muted rain]

This is also another reason of why reducing buckshot wallbang values was a terrible mistake

you incentivize plays with spam shotguns, not with guns that need more skill (alas, xbow, romero etc)

But crytek rather release a "haha rival but with romero values" (slugs still bugged btw, another topic) and call it content once again

(To this day specter bayonet still suck btw 🥀)

And auto shotguns arent necessarily the problem on CQC, its the fact they also trivialize medium combat (which was also dying), so it isnt gonna get removed

[zinc turret]

What/who do you mean by "they"? The auto shotguns? I think that's just another problem on top of them being easily the best choice for corner ratting.

[muted rain]

"They" there of course is referring to the topic im talking about, spammy shotguns

If i got a romero and I hit you mid distance, i have to swap to my secondary

If i got an spam shotgun, I can just keep pushing you while shooting, and when you enter OHK ranges, you are either dead or have very little HP

In that sense for example, a C&K will always be better than a terminus, since it doesnt necesarly anchor you to walking

[zinc turret]

Indeed. Thas' why I don't understand why you ended that line with "so it isnt gonna get removed". I mean I know it's not going to get removed. Rats would rise up. But I read you saying it's broken in close range combat, it's broken in mid range combat... therefore it's not going to be removed?

[muted rain]

(despite that the c&K has 1m metter of ohk)

[muted rain]

It isnt gonna get removed, because (specifically talking about that), it was in old Hunt, same as the dolch or the avto

Plenty of skins that you cant remove for legal reasons

[zinc turret]

ah, so it was unrelated to how broken it is, got it

[muted rain]

People paid for that, DLCs etc

[zinc turret]

trve

[muted rain]

C&K was much much more broken before, when you could have slugs with 0 recoil whatsoever

It was like playing an officer C but with OHK

[zinc turret]

lol

[muted rain]

Another dumb stuff that wasnt even tested

Just pushed into live service

But dont worry guys we have surveys 〽️

[muted rain]

This is what I was refering to trivializing medium combat

you run into another premade head on with those and the only benefit you had at the time (now its fixed) is that slugs dealt no aimpunch (or very little)

but aimpunch of course doesnt matter if you are dead in the first shot or in 2 seconds

The 2-3 tap range was insane

[zinc turret]

Wouldn't trust surveys. People love OP guns.

[muted rain]

Another hunt classic, people dont like their crutches removed

Slug nerfs and shit had impact

The solution was easy, the just swapped to another spam shotgun (althrough, less spammy) without that forced recoil

So slate took in

Now that buckshot seems like what most people chose with spam shotguns, we are back at the "killing medium to CQCs" scenarios

Scenarios like this is what tend to happen

Im reviving my mate, but hear an xbow guy approaching, I dodged

He eats one buckshot spread to the face/uppertorso (some pellets must have missed, I suppose)

but he has an xbow, and thus, he has to get his secondary out

I have the C&K stolen of his friend, so I can just pump the 2nd shot there and done

No 14m or 15m is significant enough to chose X over Y if the benefits are there

[zinc turret]

Yeah... I actually don't understand why Mosin / Dolch get most of the hate when auto shotguns exist.

[muted rain]

They are disgusting too

Dolch FMJ shouldnt exist, and its now more balanced than ever because of bullet drop

They should just remove dolch special ammos really

And mosin been meta since release, where you could tap free hunters because they had less HP

[zinc turret]

I agree but it's still something that requires you to have some skill.

[muted rain]

No

Its the easiest of the long ammo rifles

[zinc turret]

Free hunters had less HP? lol

[muted rain]

Amazing muzzle, no sway (back then)

meanwhile you were doing reversed 8s with your compacts

because "haha i have long ammo and you dont" so I havent got sway with a +600 ms weapon but you do

Another stupid change that took years to change, once again

Things like (now) cenntenial, mosin, marathon, etc

Easiest in game weapons to use

[reef pebble]

I dont know , yes mosin is meta buti think right now other rifles are better ( if looked at the base weapon/bajonett or whatever weapon)

[muted rain]

Bayonet is an "straight" upgrade now, but your weapon can be seen much more, so it is "worse" for peeking corners or whatever, even when hid

But that isnt a mosin problem, it happens with weapons with attachments now

[zinc turret]

Compared to auto shotguns, really?

[reef pebble]

yeah i was going for the fact other bajonett weapons are better compared to mosin bajonett

not the fact mosin is better than bajonett

[muted rain]

Yes, mosin is a 2 iq weapon, certified

What takes skill is learning the ms (and now curvature) of low compact, or even medium

[reef pebble]

auto shotguns are crazy op, but at some point in aim the rifle gets better

[muted rain]

2 tapping with a long ammo rifle is skilless, boring, and has been meta since it came out

A guy that manages to hit you 5 times with an stocked revolver is way better than your average mosin sweat

[reef pebble]

i think it is a loweer skill weapon and anyone who play ranged weapons and is good in strategy can outplay any shotgun user

[muted rain]

If they nerfed their crutch, they couldnt play

As easy as it gets

[muted rain]

I agree

Sadly we are not in a QM meta, following back from gunrunner

[zinc turret]

That's exactly what i mean though. Mosin requires aiming and strategy. Auto shotguns require neither.

[muted rain]

so your rifleman has also a "pocket" shotgun that can melt the other shotgunner

Game is just a jack of all trades now

[reef pebble]

Well lets be honest if you want to play a game with acommunity like this you should switch to arma 3 or something then hunt is just the wrong game

also people that are able to headshot with mosin anytime, are mostly also able to headshot with any pistol in the game

[muted rain]

Not my point, my point is that these sort of people make any type of claim to justify mosin balance

because they cant face the truth, that is the most broken rifle in the game and its easy af to use

TLDR: another crutch

[muted rain]

Any good 6* can do that, but they are running officer, dolch, uppercut, uppermat or a pocket shotgun

[reef pebble]

it is not the most broken in my opinion, the krag has better balance, the berthier has better ammo variety, the lebel is ass compared to mosin(lol)

[muted rain]

It doesnt matter

[zinc turret]

It's balanced by being an ugly Russian rifle

[muted rain]

Krag is worse than mosin, berthier is also worse than mosin, the lebel is also worse than mosin

What is your point?

[reef pebble]

why doesnt it matter, your point is its the most broken, but really it isnt

[muted rain]

You are telling me that mosin isnt the most broken rifle in the game

that is factually incorrect

[reef pebble]

i dont think you are seeing the point here, you are to focused on mosin sway that you really dont look at other weapons

[muted rain]

Mosin sway and that mechanic does not exist anymore

[reef pebble]

yes, atleast the base variant

[reef pebble]

well balance is what i mean

[muted rain]

(?)

[muted rain]

I dont get you, I already talked about this

Attachments used to have drawbacks (more swap, hip spread, fanning accuracy etc)

Minus the forgotten scotfield brawler (which should be spitfire btw)

those things arent a "thing" anymore

[reef pebble]

ok sorry i dont get it what you mean, what do you think is the point htat makes mosin unbalanced

[muted rain]

If you try to justify the bayonet is better, it is true in most scenarios, because variants are straight upgrades based on money: again, this is not a mosin problem, it happens on nearly all of the weapons

[reef pebble]

it isnt better that we can agree on, when talking corner peaks but that is not my point rn

i meant the sniper, where mosin is obviously the best one

but please elaborate what oyu think makes the mosin unbalanced

[muted rain]

I didnt say it is unbalanced, I said it is the strongest long ammo rifle, which is a fact

[reef pebble]

why is it the strongest if other have much better points

[muted rain]

The question would be why having two ammos with berthier and needing iron eye to have good rof and not waste bullets after 37 buffs would be better than the meta rifle

[reef pebble]

the only thing that makes it meta imo is, that its longer in hte game and the players are used ot it more

[muted rain]

No?

Krag has less damage

Berthier has 3 bullets, huge downtimes, specially without bulletgrubber, had to be buffed several times

[muted rain]

No? Lebel?

[reef pebble]

Berthier: better ammo pool( normal plus spitzer or fire ammo) which means you can take the easy headshots with spi´tzer and then switch to normal to body oneshot for example

[muted rain]

"easy headshots" my brother you already have +600 ms

i think you are a bit lost

[reef pebble]

well lebel is ust worse because of reload time, i think that is obvious

[muted rain]

spitzer isnt used for sniping anymore

[muted rain]

So therefore this is not true

you said it yourself

[reef pebble]

and talking krag it has the way better follow up shots with a decent reload, the knockback of krags 3 compared ot mosins 10 is a big difference

so if your point is easy 2 shots to body, then krag would be better

[muted rain]

Fire ammo only ignites on designated ammo ranges (which for long ammo should be what, 30-40m? or maybe 50? I dont play fire ammo on long ammo unless im playing sparks

If you need 700-800ms to headshot a guy with a long ammo rifle at 50m, sorry to say it, but you arent good

[reef pebble]

that is not even the main point on fire ammo, the new small barrels make fire ammo a lot better all of sudden and makes for easy kills

[muted rain]

krag was also a meta weapon when it released my man

[reef pebble]

yeah no you dont need that at 50 m

[reef pebble]

well then mosin isnt the problem as you say is it?

[muted rain]

Spitzer is used specifically on iron sights to wallbang since it have now 0 damage reduction, allowing you to wallbang and 2 shot limb

Uppercut FMJ was considered trolling long ago, but now its pretty common, since it reaches the same breakpoint

[muted rain]

Where do I have stated that mosin is the problem

[reef pebble]

your argumentaion is chaos what exactly is you thesis

[muted rain]

I just said its the meta rifle (factually correct), always been (also true) and that is boring (my opinion), as most long ammo rifles that arent 1 shot

I could play your game and argue against a wall and pick unrelated stadistic from weapons and claim that a new army is better than a dolch because it deals more damage

Its just silly, you cant seem to comprehend its the amalgamation of several factors put into a single weapon

[reef pebble]

ok that i can work with, yes it is meta (factually correct true), always been(true except for realeases of other rifles for short periods) and that is boring yes i agree( overplayed as hell), as most ammo rifles that arent 1 shot(i dont think so tbh there are other long ammo rifles that are very fun e.g. berthie, krag

[muted rain]

No, mosin was also meta when krag released

It was just a cheaper option

One thing does not negate another

The C&K always has been meta, that doesnt mean the slate wasnt meta on release

[reef pebble]

they were both meta, but for like a week i saw krag only and no mosin

[muted rain]

"what you saw" depends on your elo, bracket, server and timezone

[reef pebble]

C&K is one of the most broken weapons in the game and therefore meta yes

[muted rain]

A 4* could come here and tell that the rival is broken

I dont care about personal opinion in that sense, lmao

[reef pebble]

yeah ok we are talking factual high mmr things here though

[reef pebble]

alright fair point i take that back, mosin is meta and always has been

[muted rain]

If we are talking high mmr, here is the thing

There is 0 reason to pick the cheaper option

because money isnt an issue

hence you run only mosin

[reef pebble]

yes

[muted rain]

period

[reef pebble]

Like i said i agree its meta nd boring, we agree on that, i just think other long ammo rifles arent boring

[muted rain]

Yeah, and that is okay, its opinion, its personal preference

Like I said, for my case, I only find long ammo enjoyable when its 1 shot rifles

I cant play cenntenial, because it bores me to death

However I enjoy springfield

[reef pebble]

which none are

[muted rain]

?

Sparks and martini?

Hello?

[reef pebble]

none are 1 shot rifles, one shot means 150 dmg

[muted rain]

Bro, we arent talking about OHK

[reef pebble]

ok you mean single shot weapons

[muted rain]

Rifles dont OHK unless its the nitro

of course

lmao

[reef pebble]

one shot and single shot is something different

[muted rain]

Its obviously a typo

I have 3000h im pretty sure I know

[reef pebble]

it just confused me mate, sorry

[muted rain]

This same logic is applied on this message

Whether now the cent is spammy, the springfield its a single shot rifle

If you keep reading, there is no way to get lost in there

Of course I wasnt claiming there that the cent OHK lmao

[reef pebble]

So yu enjoy single shot weapons, that is ok, but then why complainabout what others play(mosing being meta). Everyone can play what they want, this is just about personal opinion, not feedback discussion

i know it came from krieg_elfs post, but it jsut got lost

[muted rain]

Yes, this is why the meta is boring, because you always see the same 6 weapons

Avto, shotguns, long ammo, ocasional spam

done

The hammer skin twitch drop looks cool af (in my opinion, the better looking hammer skin out of all the 3 there are now)

I have never seen a player wielding a hammer

besides myself or my friends

[reef pebble]

Well whats your point, every shooter has meta weapons and in every shooter meta is played in high elo/mmr. its what it is, if oyu dont want to play against meta, drop mmr

[muted rain]

You cant drop MMR now without exploiting

And I dont cheat, I dont exploit

[reef pebble]

you can if you just play you favourit troll loadouts like hammer or smth your automatically going to drop, its not magic i think

[muted rain]

Why should I int more than 40 times in order to splash people that are on a different bracket?

[muted rain]

Yes, that is exactly what ive said. You are willingly throwing

in order to lose elo

which is a form of exploiting

a core game mechanic

[reef pebble]

you dont need to splash them but you can play what you want there, and the other optio is to stop playing hunt, cause honestly that is the character of Hunt, strong weapons

[muted rain]

The point of hunt is not "strong weapons"

The balance it had worked fine when everyone was new and hunt dollars mattered

Now they dont, money system doesnt work

[reef pebble]

Its not an exploit if you are actualy playing your funny loadouts, no one said you have to play long ammo, that is the freedom of Hunt lol. i didnt say take a hammer and run in a straight line at them

[muted rain]

You are missing the point, and seems you have no idea how the "new" elo system works

If you are somewhat high 6*, you have to die more than 40 times without a single assist (even more)

You cant derank unless you deliberately throw

[reef pebble]

money systems almost never work, epecially with twitch drops and events like the one going on now which gives you 14k for free(wtf???) they have to make balancing on weapon stats not money

[muted rain]

And as I said, that is against what the devs intend to do, as it is a form of exploit

[muted rain]

Twitch drops (and with this supply mechanic) are "recent" additions, again missing out what im saying

[reef pebble]

well tbh i didnt try so i cant tell you much about it

[muted rain]

You need to tank KD, die more than 40 times without a single assist

If you can tell me how that isnt deliberately throwing

im all ears

Because for me it seems just a deranking strategy

[reef pebble]

I didnt miss out, point is "money systems almost never work" in games, they cant balance through money. Twitch drops etc, were just a recent example

[reef pebble]

i just dont think that is true , well depends on high in 6 star you are, if you are that high up, you dont belong down there and you shouldnt complain about what others play, just play what you want, no difference i getting headshot by a mosin or a martini

you are still dead

[muted rain]

There is a 2000 elo difference in 6*

And 6* was bumped out since MMR changes

(a bit before the release of 1896, if memory doesnt fail)

[reef pebble]

yes, like i said depends on how high up you are

[muted rain]

So then why do you state "you dont think that is true"

[reef pebble]

wasnt it with the release of 1896?

[muted rain]

if you are medium to high 6, try it yourself

[muted rain]

Idk, seek the wiki or ask the gpt for the release date

I dont remember; point being when MMR changes were done 5* was bumped onto 6*

[reef pebble]

not goign to i dont want to play agaionst people who dont know what they are doing, that would be unfair, since i play meta weapons

[muted rain]

it doesnt have anything to do

My friend that has 11 hours plays mosin

that doesnt mean he is good, lmao

[reef pebble]

Well point stands, if oyu dont want to play against meta weapons dont play shooters, especially not extraction shooter, if you want to play against everything that is in a game you have to play games with a lot of players on each team like bf or arma

[muted rain]

I told you already, I have nearly 3k hours

You are confusing meta loadouts or meta weapons with being good at the game

By your logic a CSGO silver 4 is good because he instalocks AKs on T side

dont be silly man

xd

[reef pebble]

congrats i have 3k - 4k i still enjoy plaing hunt against meta weapons because i enjoy hunt not what exactly i play against

[reef pebble]

when did i say that

[muted rain]

.

Playing meta weapons doesnt equal being good, once again.

[reef pebble]

i didnt say it makes you good, i said it is unfair if a good player playig op meta weapons plays against 2 stars figuring out the game, you didnt get my point

[reef pebble]

yeah ok, we agree on that hurray

[muted rain]

Yeah there is a point you kinda get tired of being sprayed by avtos, long ammo or spam shotguns

the diversity on other brackets is what makes hunt great, not this

[reef pebble]

Then you are a. in the wrong bracket or b. in the wrong game

[muted rain]

Exactly why the deranking system was changed

[muted rain]

You can do nothing against "a" because there isnt playerbase. You are forced to it unless you deliberately int

You still dont get it

[reef pebble]

you cant complain about sweaters playing op weapons, ofcourse they do, that is why they are up there, ofcourse they need good aim, but that is in some way what splits 5 star from 6 star

[muted rain]

Most of them dont have good aim, they are used to the same 3 weapons, and if you tweaked them, they wouldnt know how to play

[reef pebble]

i didnt say you can do anything against it in that argument i only said you are in the wrogn bracket for your playstile, that is just fate

[muted rain]

you say it as if like shooting +600 ms weapons took a huge amount of skill gap

plus being long ammo

[reef pebble]

youa re saying it as if it didnt take skill, maybe for you it doesnt seem like skill anymore but if you look at low mmr you can see that ofcourse it takes skill

[muted rain]

it is not fate, it is maths. There isnt enough playerbase, even on one of the most populated regions like EU that has a heavy influx of players from outside the region

[muted rain]

This works both ways

For a low mmr guy anything can be meta or great or bad

[reef pebble]

it is fate you are good, you lay in lobbies with good weapons, its not like abracadabra you are 6 star, you dont get there being shit

[muted rain]

I seen takes saying that the sparks is bad, for example

[reef pebble]

i wasnt talking about weapons i was talkin about getting headshots

[muted rain]

I dont consider myself good. Im a bit better than average but thats it, that isnt enough motive to play against streamers

[reef pebble]

congrats theoretically it is/was, because it has a single shot

[muted rain]

In 1896 you can get to 6* being shit, as they merged it with 5*

[reef pebble]

yeah, you consider yourself average, for a low mmr player you are crazy good, the mmr system works and it shows if you have a neutral look at it

2% of the playerbase are 6 star, before the update is was 0,2% it is not that big. you just have a to narrow view

most players are 3 - 5 star mmr, because they dont play Hunt 3 hours every day

[muted rain]

Im telling you, its a playerbase problem

even on one of the most populated regions, you get to know people

I only play trios vs trios (ocasionally solo but very rare)

and you can be playing depending on timezone against the same dudes for hours

it is like that

I think it was wrong merging brackets, most of the people dont even know that brackets doesnt equal stars

[reef pebble]

then your mmr must be high as hell, because i play against a lot of different people and i am not low 6 star bracket

[muted rain]

And you have a daily post of some 4* on a trio saying "but why there is a 5-6* mmr broken"

[reef pebble]

what? i dont udnerstand that sentence

[muted rain]

That is the problem, on trios, I am on the highest bracket possible (6 match MMR)

why on old Hunt was impossible

I dare anyone, who has an screenshot of old hunt, showing an screenshot of a 6* match mmr team

[reef pebble]

well then you arent average, then you are good, i am probably average 6 star

[muted rain]

There wasnt, and if they were, they were obvious cheaters or high kda farmers than disconected

I dont recall seeing a single 6* match mmr team never

Highest you could do was 5.5 and was hard af

5* was normal

and 4.5* was the lowest on 6*, which you would only have solo

not trio

So you will always be in the bracket in 5* or 5.5*, since 6 match mmr wasnt a thing

Now 6 match mmr is a thing, and "full" of playerbase

[reef pebble]

man what? reaching 6 star wasnt hard? it just took more work then it does nowadays, i reached 6 star a lot of times and stayed there quite long, if you think reaching 6 star was impossible then you are actually not good

[muted rain]

Bro, read

Im talking about match mmr

not your own mmr

I know it was harder to be 6*, I was there

[reef pebble]

I had teams with full 6 star mmr, but i also play turnaments so its really jsut about your team

[muted rain]

Im talking about the non existence of teams of 6 match mmr

[muted rain]

On old hunt, impossible

[reef pebble]

i have seen multiple and i was in multiple in old Hunt

[muted rain]

Show screenshot

[reef pebble]

why in gods name would i screenshot that if it was normal for me

[muted rain]

It was mathematically impossible, im telling you, the team had to be +3 KD or cheating

Requiered crazy amounts, killing 800 ppl and not dying once

[muted rain]

It wasnt normal, we are not getting at it

[reef pebble]

dude what? you really think it wasnt possible/normal for some players? are you trolling?

[muted rain]

Im talking about this dude, and in this screenshot we were a duo (literally the key down says "allow duos vs trios" which shouldnt be there if we were 3)

If we got a third one (another friend), we could reach 5.5

but never 6

as 6 was mathematically nearly impossible to reach

[reef pebble]

i know you are talking about that

it was quite literally normal for me (with my sweaty team ofcourse) to have a 6 standing there

[muted rain]

No screenshot = cant believe

[reef pebble]

and if we include xbox that was the easiest thing imaginable, but i think that i not what we are discussing here

[muted rain]

never saw anybody, besides KDA farmers that disconnected when you got close and cheaters

Oh, but you are talking console dude

Xddddddd

Idk, that is your world

Im talking about PC

[reef pebble]

well i dont think you get that some people dont screenshot everything man, i am not that sentimental

[muted rain]

on console it could perfectly have happened

[reef pebble]

i am too

[reef pebble]

so it is mathematically possible huh

the mmr system was the absolut same, and xbox has even less people

[muted rain]

On console when you cant aim and with the low playerbase, I would suppose so, but that is only assuming things

[reef pebble]

that is the point

[muted rain]

I dont play consoles

[muted rain]

No, it wasnt, you could check on PC the numbers and do the math yourself using notepad

[reef pebble]

i did and switched to pc, and i reached full 6 star team on both

[muted rain]

This is widely known

[muted rain]

Now you can reach 6 star MMR easily, of course

Im talking about old hunt

If you dont have an screenshot, I cant take your word for it

I have never seen an screenshot of somebody else, either

[reef pebble]

thanks for saying it the fifth time

[muted rain]

Yes, because it doesnt seem to enter your head

[reef pebble]

i know your talking about old hunt

[muted rain]

Same as if you were solo vs trio

You could be 4.5 (lowest), 5, 5.5 (kda farmer or +3kda usually, sus or wicked good) but never 6 match mmr

[reef pebble]

because most poeple arent sentimental and dont stuff up their pc with screenshots, believe what oyu want man, i can tell you i had 6 star teams, and that is it, it is not my problem if you dont believe me lol, let it be then

[muted rain]

Even when the list were up people werent there dude

Let it be then, agreed

[reef pebble]

good, cause this is bullshit if you dont believe me

[muted rain]

I dont have to, I have 0 proof

[reef pebble]

well then have a good day

[muted rain]

and what you are saying contradicts mathematical operations + 3k hours of experience

[reef pebble]

discussing doesnt work if you cant believe that

[muted rain]

never seen it (besides the stated examples: oblivious cheaters or kda farmers that disconnected)

[muted rain]

discussing topics do not necesarily entail believing into something as a mere jump of faith

Id be happy if someone showed me an screenshot of 6* mmr teamscore, until then, no proof

(utterly impossible if solo, again)

Now doable, ofc

[reef pebble]

i had 5 star mmr as solo on that point btw, so uh no

[muted rain]

I had 5 star mmr as solo

So yes

you literally proved my point

Read

As a solo you could have 4.5, 5, 5.5

never 6

even when the trios modifier was applied

mathematically impossible unless you kda farm like crazy or cheat

[muted rain]

I literally wrote it here

[reef pebble]

back when matchmaking was giga broken you could even get this

[muted rain]

This is 1896

MMR changes already took place

[reef pebble]

yes, but it shows how bad matchmaking is

[muted rain]

That is not old hunt dude

And that helps your point how?

[reef pebble]

i know i am not blind

[muted rain]

just shows people being mismatched

what do you intend to prove with that?

That hunt 1896 was broken on release? Yes, we know dude

Gigaflopped in fact

[reef pebble]

do you not get it its possible, and since you dont believe me have a good rest of your day, this is like talking to a wall

[muted rain]

Yet you are "sentimental" enough to have a random screenshot of an mmr disparity on release

[reef pebble]

taht is not my screenshot

[muted rain]

You say its possible based on nothing, im telling you by facts (several times by now)

[reef pebble]

that is from a facebook post

[muted rain]

That yet again helps nothing with what you are claiming to be saying that it is possible

Just an MMR disparity because (and most likely) timezones or broken matchmaking on release

Nothing that proves (or can help you prove) what you intend to claim

Find me a solo with 6* match MMR on old Hunt

and show me how he isnt a kda farmer that disconnected at the time / blatant cheater

Ill save you the hussle: you wont find it

[reef pebble]

a solo? that wasnt your point

[muted rain]

"it its possible" but there isnt a single screenshot on internet, how weird

[muted rain]

A solo even with the trios modifier couldnt reach teammscore 6 unless A or B conditions

What is so hard?

[reef pebble]

why would people randomly upload a screenshot of their mmr, and that in a small community? you dont get that non existent data doesnt mean impossible

[muted rain]

Funny, because I can look for content creators with 5.5, 5, 4.5 but nobody with 6

[muted rain]

This data does exist, it is everywhere literally, as it was main lobby, idk what you on about

You wont find it tho, search for it

try it

There were, however, steam threads of KDA farmers explaining how to calculate the MMR necesary to achieve this, but I have to trust you on "believe me bro"

[muted rain]

And this is false, you dont need to upload anything. Just shows how lost you are. It was visible on the menu, unless it was hidden by choice

You could see rachta and all of the good streamers (both delas, hornet etc) fluctuated (as everyone did, it was normal) between 4.5 and 5.5

Never 6, as it needed MASSIVE amounts of KDA farming

but "trust me bro"

[wispy folio]

Second time in a row no random bloodbond item from twitch drops. First week was fine this week zero random bloodbond items.

[grave wraith]

#game-ideas message why downvotes?

[acoustic iron]

Because I have constant situation where I need a regen shot because i constantly getting hit without dying instantly and it makes it ao I don't run out of meds from a single fight and have to extract

[grave wraith]

that's kind of the problem- although you don't have to extract if you run out of meds, there are dozens of ways to gain them back and dozens of ways to not run out in the first place

[acoustic iron]

They only way to get them back is looting dead bodies and tool kits and if you used anything else in that fight they aren't guaranteed also about the only way to not run out is either not getting hit or regen shot or just dying cause then you really dont got to worry

[grave wraith]

medkits have a very high priority when looting, are you running fusees? I've heard they override medkits.

Looting bodies to get your heals back is great because it encourages more active play to refresh your resources

In order to not run out, yeah, don't get hit and hit the enemy instead. That's the whole system the game is based on.

[acoustic iron]

Well its hard to play active when almost every group you go up against are rats and campers because if you get too active and try to push a body when you have no heals you get shot by a bow from a random bush 20 meters away and die instantly

[grave wraith]

what does having no heals have to do with that

that happens no matter what lol

[acoustic iron]

Well its more likely to happen when out of heals and trying to get more because you have no regen

[rotund obsidian]

less total healing rewards bodyshots even more, especially the weapons that can deal the highest damage at the longest range (typically long ammo). Without dropping a shitload of perk points on your medkit economy or bringing dedicated consumables, you can take a total of two bullets from most weapons before you need to just start fucking scavenging for heals because you've run out of medkits. even with dedicated consumables, each slot only affords you one single bullet extra.
i do think regen is poorly designed, but it is a shitty bandaid that is there for a reason.

[grave wraith]

Long ammo wouldn't really be buffed with this change, because your bottom bar is always a big bar. So anything over 100 damage would perform almost the same.
Which is almost every weapon in the game, only spam weapons are under 100

[rotund obsidian]

i mean it's present with all weapon types, long ammo just lets you do it from significantly further

[grave wraith]

I don't think much changes then tbh

[rotund obsidian]

a winnie at 50 meters doesn't even do 75, but a mosin will do over a hundred at like 80m

[grave wraith]

long ammo is already really the only valid ammo type for long range body shots

medium ammo can work ig

[rotund obsidian]

it's just about the total amount of shots you can take. it's actually pitiful how terrible the medkit is for healing, and we have no good healing sustain options besides regen

genuinely i think hitting a 5x on medkit charges and medkits restored would solve the bulk of that issue

[grave wraith]

medkit is only great for healing with doctor, and this suggested regen shot would mean you can heal to full with one medkit even without doctor, so medkits would be pretty decent

Unless you disagree with that?

[grave wraith]

I think you should get one guaranteed medkit on every loot

that would fix it imo

[rotund obsidian]

it would help but i don't think that'd be nearly enough

[grave wraith]

solo catalyst frontiersman ig

[rotund obsidian]

like seriously, you can get shot TWICE by a sparks over the course of an entire match and then not have enough heals to survive a third shot.

5x the current count of 3, so 15 lol

[grave wraith]

oh.

i think thats overkill.

basically making healing unlimited again

[rotund obsidian]

tbh i think you could give medkits unlimited charges (assuming doctor/physician didnt exist) and it would honestly be.... fine? i just don't think battles of attrition are at all interesting

i dunno, maybe some weird problematic strategies may arise that i'm not thinking of but like. i don't think it's good in any real way for it to just be impossible to heal without scavenging around hoping to stumble into a medkit.

at the very least we need more traits that let you heal in some way, cause ghoul is pretty much useless late in the match when you'd actually need it

[grave wraith]

guaranteed medkit on loot would fix this?

[rotund obsidian]

no it really wouldn't. three medkits is not enough for even one fight if you don't steamroll

[grave wraith]

you're forgetting that changes work both ways.

it's not like your enemies would have infinite heals but you wouldn't.

[rotund obsidian]

and i think winning by running my enemies out of healing is a boring way for fights to play out

[grave wraith]

everyone would be running on fumes late into matches, and that's when I think hunt gets most interesting.

[grave wraith]

to each their own ig

[rotund obsidian]

I think for me, ideally, it's like, you have healing at around medkit speed with charges, then SOME way to heal regardless of supplies, no matter how long it takes. bringing in stuff like vits should be your one-time-use quick full heal, it shouldn't be to just boost your total healing amount

but also a lot of this is kinda a perfect idealization of the state of the game where sitting in a lair is a less viable strategy, and the close-ranged combat is less oneshotty

cause infinite healing does exacerbate those stalemates in a certain way, but i think running out of heals would create strategies that rely on chip damage and attrition as well, there's no winning

like i said, regen is dumb but i think it's healthier than the attrition battles where you can't survive more than two or three bullets over the course of an entire match

[acoustic iron]

I think infinite healing could only work if everything we currently have was completely overhauled that would be the only way

They could implement it in a way where the current bandage is infinite but its only as fast as regen or even slower but ignores the natural bar limit but you have to do the normal animation the whole time

[rotund obsidian]

i'm quite partial to the idea of 1hp bandage once youre out of charges lole

hell, you could even double the duration of the anim and still keep it at 1hp

[acoustic iron]

Honestly i think it wouldn't be the worst thing as long as it's pretty slow and only gets you to the next bar

Heck could make a whole other item id take it

[grave wraith]

yeah that's why regen shot doesn't work 😭

[muted rain]

I think the same, and for me this is a rare scenario

When desalle came out they were a lot of stales

That is what i remember

It was boring af because team outside dont wanna fight rifles with missing bars and rifles outside were to scared to try to even wallbang

Glad hunt is leaning towards a less attetrion stale zzzz boring aah playstyle

[grave wraith]

battle of attrition =/= stalemate

in fact i'd say they're pretty opposite

[muted rain]

Ik

One can lead to the other

Wouldnt say they are opposites

[grave wraith]

a stalemate happens when resources are too equal for one team to take the initiative

in a battle of attrition, the whole point is creating an inequality between your resources

[acoustic iron]

It's not infinite tho it's on a timer

[grave wraith]

a very long timer that lasts for the majority of combat, and has absolutely no tell that the enemy has it, so when playing, you just have to assume they have it active and play as if it is infinite.

Also, if you would want people to just wait the timer out so it's not effectively infinite, that's just more waiting and stalemating.

[acoustic iron]

4 and 7 minutes is not very long, yes ther should probably be a indicator or some giveaway that someone has active regen that is fair, and no you dont have to play likes its infinite you just have to play slightly more aggressive so the regen doesn't matter

[grave wraith]

if you're always forcing yourself into the aggressive playstyle because of the regen shot, assuming that the enemy has it active all the time, then yes you have to play like it's infinite.

if there were an indicator that regen was active I probably wouldn't mind it so much

not sure what though

Maybe a trait to see if someone has buffs if you look at them in dark sight? That could be cool

[acoustic iron]

Maybe purple eyes

That glow slightly

[grave wraith]

mayhaps

[grave wraith]

hear me out, a short audible heartbeat sound effect coming from them when they get hit?

might be going too far there

[acoustic iron]

No honestly I think that might work or there foot steps get louder when regening

[grave wraith]

idk it would need to make thematic sense

[acoustic iron]

Well if the regeneration shot is like a cowboy adrenaline injection then it would make you movements more dramatic and erratic and yes your heart beat would be much louder and faster

[grave wraith]

tru

and like, dark voodoo magic and whatever, so you could stretch that a bit lol

[acoustic iron]

And honestly the shots aren't really that realistic already so why not make it even weirder lol

[grave wraith]

if only milk shot was real

[acoustic iron]

Calcium injections are a thing

[grave wraith]

does it heal permanent wounds

[acoustic iron]

🤷‍♂️

[grave wraith]

@gritty sphinx i dont think it needs a downside, already sounds pretty bad as is

[grave wraith]

@unique gull woah man how long have you been saving these ideas up

[elder ibex]

blank efforts, crytek dont read this channel anyway

[unborn sandal]

I ain’t reading allat

[grave wraith]

I don't think custom ammo needs to be removed entirely, but I do think it should be exclusive to specific weapons. Every weapon having 2+ custom ammo options is way too much.

stuff like martini henry, springfield, some pistols, should be the only weapons with so many custom ammo options.

[unborn sandal]

Revert it to before they started using stupid custom ammos as battle pass filler

[grave wraith]

this

martini henry hv? wtf

[grave wraith]

honestly think they could go back further than that though

even then there was a lot of custom ammo bloat

[tribal wyvern]

@zinc turret I'll agree if we remove snipers, remove spitzer ammo.
Keep only marksman and deadeye

Because your idea advocates for full on ranged camping

I came out of a game, a sniper team had been sitting on extract for 18minutes. And weren't goin to move whatsoever

[latent geyser]

#feedback message
dafuq

[zinc turret]

Eh, there are still plenty of other shotgun options, plus all the spam the game has. I am all for removing the longest scopes and spitzer ammo as well though. I just don't see that as that much of a problem, really.

[latent geyser]

The game is 80 GB, which was like this at 1896 launch, that had less content... the game has been quite well optimized after that.

And what's the link with the cosmetics..? Like, they exist, regardless if you can acquire them or not..?

[zinc turret]

I doubt skins take up more than a few gigs at most.

under 2GB if I were to hazard a guess

[latent geyser]

#feedback message
Also dunno if you'd want the BB to change your hp bar again... Hunt was not all flowers and sunshine even before 1896, many things have changed for the best. The maps were worse and more limited (no DeSalle), old UI was not as good as people remember it that fondly, avtomat was much more toxic, you can still put back the old aiming method nowadays... and still red warnings in case it's needed.

[brave ruin]

I know that the game changed to better as possible, but I really liked the old version. And I understand the most players likes actual version. But I horribly dislike how changed aiming after release. I just can't play in this game anymore 😭 I even do not care about DeSalle, new content and etc. I just want to play in that old Hunt, which was before 6.0 (because this patch killed economics as I remember). Yes it was unbalanced as hell, but I really liked horror atmosphere and challenge because of that old design and gameplay. I know this game will be not so popular, whats why I asked for offline gameplay, where players can create hosts (Quake 3 or CS1.5 as example) and saves can be on the player's PC, so Hunt servers will be for the actual game.

[tribal wyvern]

Sniper is a huge problem, because it actively promotes less engaging combat and gameplay.
Meanwhile shotgun does force the guy to be near you. And it has alot of counters.

With rifle you can go hand crossbow, lemat or you can yourself use lemat carbine. Or short shotguns. You have options.
But how do you counter someone sneaking around 150m away, jsut waiting for that 1 second you sit still to headshot. Or waits for you to heal. All while being nowhere near the fight.

Or just waits for you to run to extract

[zinc turret]

Well, shotguns are the other extreme - they force corner ratting, because they're useless at longer ranges.

[tribal wyvern]

Thats where my options + consums comes in.

Theres no sniper counter consume

[zinc turret]

also I saw a ringer HS kill at 150m, you can counter rifles just fine tbh (although that's obviously an extreme example). The problem is just bush rats, not snipers specifically, imo

I think I should re-iterate that I'd be up for nerfing snipers as well - although they do kind of fit in the nature of the game.

and thanks for reminding me, I wanted to remove any scopes from my loadouts

[brave ruin]

As I see, all cosmetics will be on your PC even if you can't get them. What's why they took memory just to see other players with that cosmetics. As I see every map should take like 15-20BG, since they uses old assets. Maybe DeSalle more than that. So actual size of the game should be like 50-60BG, so other 20-30BG should be cosmetics 👀

[latent geyser]

Some players got the skins, so they'll stay in the game until it ends. That can't be avoided no matter what, unless the skins are just removed altogether from the game.

[brave ruin]

I know, and whats why maybe better to add special events where players can get skins, which is closed forever now, or maybe events should be different. Because 20-30BG is a size for an indie game or old AAA. 👀 And in the future can be 40 or even more 😱

[crystal plume]

Mythic skins won't come back, that is already set in stone

They have already started to bring back old skins that aren't mythic though

[brave ruin]

As example, in Genshin Impact you can get any character (skin), whats why this game can be even 300GB and its ok. I think devs should do something with it.

[grave wraith]

Then there's quartermaster :)

[latent geyser]

Genshin is around 100GB and it's... slightly acceptable.

If you want a bloated game, HD2 is still 130GB+

Hunt being 80GB honestly feels very honest when you have a multiplayer game with a lot of foligae, meshes, high-quality rifles, and dozens of characters/weapon skins (hell even charms), and more character animations being brought to the game.

[brave ruin]

Main problem here that I do not need it. I like default dirt skins, because they are cool and fits to the game. Also I do not use Legendary Hunters. Plus most of this content closed forever and have paywalls (DLC, Hunt dollars, XP, BL and limited events). I do not see whats the point in these skins if I should grind it again and agian. But its just my opinion especially if other players ok this it. But I do not know why I should keep all this 20-30GB. Better delete the game and install two games instead of one.🫠

[zinc turret]

Even games that allow you to disable player skins don't allow you to omit them from downloading.

[brave ruin]

But I am sure that in these games you can get any skin and play it right now.

[zinc turret]

I don't know any modern game that's like that.

oh you mean get as in obtain. Well, depends on how old the game is.

The only game that allows disabling skins that I know of is War Thunder, and you can't obtain some skins there AFAIK, or if you can, the cost is ridiculous.

[brave ruin]

What do you mean? Do you need to grind points or money in Call of Duty to use a skin, which you bought? 👀

[zinc turret]

I think the only game that genuinely allows to to get all BP skins at least is The Finals with its legacy battlepass system.

No, I mean that having skins that aren't unlockable anymore is common in live service games.

[brave ruin]

And this is sad, because you payed money for this game 😭

[zinc turret]

You're about 10, maybe 15 years late into this discussion. Premium skins are a perfectly normal thing now.

[muted rain]

Sadly

〽️

[brave ruin]

Maybe, but I just hope Devs can release The Classic Game (feedback), because I am so tired of everything, since I bought the game and even can't play it anymore because this game changed gameplay as hell and took a lot of memory. 😩

[zinc turret]

I don't mind at all, to be honest, as long as those skins don't give competitive advantage. Before skins, it was things like golden ammo , powerful in-game equipment, etc.

[muted rain]

Ik, so far in hunt the only skins that give you a benefit (besides hunters based on color palette) is only the winfield talon that comes to mind

2 skins remove the metallic thingies that are weird and obstruct the vision, where the other skins dont

(one of the skins is "recent" in that regard, but the other is old af)

[rocky turtle]

@undone crypt No, the rain is great. Not everyone cheats at this game lol. I don't cheat and I love the rain.

@subtle light I think the spear is fine where it's at. I think they need to lower the cost of all the other melee tools though... They need to stop "balancing" weapons by play rate. The fact that the knife and knuckle knife are so expensive as tools is dumb. Like, I don't even use the spear... I'm 6* elo. It's not 'meta' enough lol to make a difference.

[zinc turret]

@rocky turtle Mate, don't make people download a potentially dangerous file just to see what's hiding behind the vaguest possible title and the smallest non-zero speficying in the description...

[rocky turtle]

Then don't look at it. My feedback is too long for a discord message. The only valid file is a word document.

[zinc turret]

And it can't possibly be summarised to a few paragraphs, eh? You're right though, nobody should open it. Least of all people on their work computers.

[bitter jacinth]

fix the shit slow asf buggy movement

[hasty crystal]

Im so tired of not hotfixing bugs the already fixed... its so annoying... its sad they dont give a shit about bugs like the switch back from "Bounty Clash" to "Bounty Hunt" after every game... do you guys document your errors or are you just to lazy to fix it?

[muted rain]

Everyone can be easily be 6* by now, it doesnt help your point. Spear is meta and it heavily does more than enough to make the difference, even after the nerfs. Most of the times I run with knuckle knife too, doesnt mean spear is "not good enough". One thing does not negate the other.

Knife isnt expensive, and knuckle knife is "expensive" because it was meta for a long time (and since then, it was nerfed, stamina ussage etc)

The fact you are 6* and fail to see how money isnt a balancing issue is problematic in itself

They could make any other (tool) melee 5 dollars, and the spear would still be better

[icy tapir]

I prefer throwing axes

[muted rain]

Yes, and I like throwing knives, how is that related to the point? A melee tool that can be throwed with no stamina usage, can kill a bear, kill meatheads, kill players, and can melee better (and faster while doing such tasks) than the weapons that need a designated perk for it, will always be better than knuckle knife itself, love it or hate it; not even adding berserk into the ecuation.

[muted rain]

Crossbow bayonet would ugly af ngl but with trauma I could agree on; but I dont know, it would serve as a jack of all trades leaving the stock variant in the dust, since it would be (by todays standard) an straight upgrade, whether the stock would only be played for the skins (same as springfield), 5-10 dollars less or whatever and that would be it. Crytek might take your idea and get into a battlepass, but we already got the scoped xbow + steelbolts on 1896 release, so I doubt its likely to happen (wouldnt hurt, in my opinion, its an xbow after all)

So now you can deal with any type of minor IA with an xbow (i personally think its okay, its AI after all, irrelevant), but some players might not agree. You have my vote, I like the trauma idea, specially considering its a one shot (same as romero, that got talon; useful for breaking doors quickly and fragging the guy behind (now we got penny shot so this doesnt matter as much, but well, its diversity after all), or a (rare) melee kill or whatever.

[sick girder]

It's astounding that the most profitable way to play the game is to not even play the game.

[grave wraith]

I agree, although I don't think an afk kick timer would help much. People would just come back to move their mouse around or step forwards once to not get kicked

[sick girder]

Penalize them so they can't join a match for X minutes.

You're detracting from lobbies by not playing.

If this is your playstyle you're actively harming the game.

[grave wraith]

They would still just avoid the ban by doing a tiny bit of activity every couple minutes

[sick girder]

True, but that bit of micro would act as something of a deterrent.

It's symptomatic of a larger issue. Playing the game isn't as rewarding as not playing the game right now.

[grave wraith]

Could just change the way body looting works. Like make the bodies unlootable by other teams after a member of a team loots it, maybe on a timer

So the team that wins the showdown can loot everything left and vultures don't get to take it too

[sick girder]

That's not a horrible idea. Or just remove vulture/witness as it is.

[grave wraith]

The strategy would still be too profitable though.

[sick girder]

They detract from the game's health more than they add to it.

[grave wraith]

Vulture and witness aren't needed for it

Just makes it a little more convenient

[sick girder]

They don't help the game's overall core gameplay loop incentive though.

[grave wraith]

Typo ^^?
They do help it

[sick girder]

Like I said, it hurts more than it adds to the game.

+25 to 50 per loot is cool and all. Wanna know what would be cooler?

If people did the objectives.

[grave wraith]

I agree. But I think they'd be fine if the strategy were fixed in other ways

Honestly I think always getting money on hunter loot should be baseline. Could just remove vulture.

The double money isn't necessary though if it was baseline

[sick girder]

Some of my hardest fought battles/extractions paid out ~$700 to $900

I was averaging at least 2k/per run

doing the rat strat

It's absurd that I have rounds where I defend/assault, fight tooth and nail, and actually play the game as intended

but come out with less than "playing the game" 5 to 9 mins tops

What's even more absurd is that the same people who abuse this will also have opinions on the game's economy and balance, all to protect their methods. Take note of who all downvotes this, look at what suggestions they like/dislike.

Think critically.. Are they putting the game's best interest at heart, or theirs?

[grave wraith]

Tbh it seems to me that a large portion of idea votes are for people's own individual best interests

And I can understand it psychologically

[sick girder]

Well, I could continue to abuse this. I won't.

Getting dead lobbies is boring. Personally I only stand to lose pointing this out.

But, on a grander scale it's better because more people actively playing the game means more balance & features revolve around the bounty hunt.

Personally I wish killing & looting hunters you (or your team killed) and taking bounties were 90% of income with registers or other forms of money actually rare & randomized.

[grave wraith]

I agree. I think it would be cool if the total income of the match were multiplied based on whether you had a successful bounty extract or not.

Maybe like, half the income if you don't bounty extract

That way the best way is to do the other things, but also have the bounty

[grave wraith]

#game-ideas message [ i turned @ off, just replying since this is very relevant to the discussion I am replying to ]

[maiden flume]

Is it just me, or does the Fool card not work consistently? I don't understand how it works.

As a solo, I got revived using necromancer, which I obtained mid-game using an empress card. In the same run, I then used the fool after being downed once, but necromancer didn't get applied.

[grave wraith]

the fool does not immediately use the effect of the copied card, it is rather meant to create a copy of the card and put it in your inventory in place of the fool.

[maiden flume]

Oooh, I see. Alright, I misunderstood!

[plucky plover]

The spawns fights are too often and you dont get a chance to move out upgrade a gun as such before bang you are shot. Thought this had been sorted.

[latent forge]

And the fool works only if u played a card in the match

[muted rain]

Witness is not a problem for rat gameplay, but for the range it has and the duration of the bodies while on dark sight

You can gain lots of info (if a premade has spawned or was there, and deduce their destination or whereabouts) if you use witness correctly

I dont have a problem with it, just that there are some aspects way more problematic that "i dont like solo rats using this to get to bodies"

Just burn everyone after looting and done

Not to mention this sort of playstyle is very niche and bracket dependent. This type of gameplay (for example) doesnt exist on 6* match mmr trios (and I would assume, it doesnt exist on new player lobbies, its kinda of a middle ground, 4*) since there is little to gain besides money, which you already have plenty, even if prestiging

I have 2 fully recorded games where my premade leaves (different randoms in this case) after the bounty extracts (despite the big inmolator boss being around) because all we wanted was to fight, so they left as well, and everyone in the game also did (classic game where you spawn on the other side of gulch and they spawn in the corner with a fight and an extraction right besides)

I stayed solo and killed the dude (idk the name on english, the inmolator boss basically, the wild target) for the "rare" perk it drops, but the bounty token itself means nothing at all besides money, which is irrelevant in my case and for many others seasoned players

@atomic niche Although the times could be tweaked, I agree. Light melee on crossbow suffers from the fact that it is an old weapon, similar as how the lebel talon (heavy attack) isnt as fast as other talons (winfield, romero) but instead does a weird animation after swinging. I heavily doubt this was done for balancing and it is most likely an oversight

[sick girder]

Incorrect. It does. Source: I've played in each of these lobbies.

[muted rain]

I do too, and only seen 4-5 solos since 1896

And I couldnt care less if some guy is farming AI or searching for registers, whatever

[muted rain]

This is not a problem at all

nor do I get why it bothers you

[muted rain]

It has a pretty obvious counterplay

Whether you want to use it or not, that is another thing

[grave wraith]

But there is no incentive to use the counterplay because the people doing it are completely uninvolved from everything you are doing. You gain nothing from burning the bodies just to potentially screw some rat over.

That's just spite atp.

[crystal plume]

I don't think spite is that uncommon in Hunt either way 😄

Like people who run DB ammo, that's not something you bring for winning, you bring it to screw people over

[grave wraith]

I bring it for winning

And fun))

(redskulls and 30m burns that take small bars pretty quick with the initial burn damage)

[muted rain]

Idk, that is you

If my teammates arent gonna swap weapons i always burn, no matter what

(or we have already 6 points from previous matches or whatever and we want to go to the lair and then come back to loot and gain points etc)

@solid dagger some T2 and T3 hunters arent yet into the game. Some are, tweaked. Some are free, but you will need to recruit them and progress to unlock the variants (aka, reach level 50 with them will unlock the T2, and then reach level 50 with the T2 to unlock T3)

Some others are locked behind prestige, but the method is exactly the same (reaching level 50 with them to unlock the reskin of the hunter)

Many of them are still missing so dont worry if you dont see your fav t2 or t3 yet in the game

(rip banana coat 〽️ )

[grave wraith]

This also assumes that your team is running multiple flare guns and haven't yet used up flares

[muted rain]

Bro, trios 6

everyone runs flaregun/flare

that is not an issue at all

[grave wraith]

First of all, other MMR brackets matter, not just 6. But second, no, penny shot derringer is also meta at the moment.

[muted rain]

Yes, melee of choice, medkit, pennyshot and flaregun/flares/alert trip mines

I dont see your issue

Burning bodies is never a problem

Besides there are lanterns everywhere if you are not currently fighting

[muted rain]

"6" isnt an mmr bracket, but a star rating itself

[grave wraith]

No chokes 😭
Even if you don't personally run them you definitely can't argue that chokes aren't a must-have for a large portion of players in 6 and other MMRs

[muted rain]

4.5 6 stars dont play against 6* match mmr trios normally, only if you are playing on some late hour or there isnt enough players at the time

[muted rain]

Dont see em more often than flareguns, but that is just my experience with randoms

[grave wraith]

The issue is that not only do I need the resources available to burn all upwards of 8 bodies (potentially the time to find lanterns as well), I also need to be motivated and spiteful enough to burn them just so this solo can't loot them. I have literally no incentive to do that, and clearly it's not just me, because these bodies are often left unburned

[muted rain]

And in those games of +8 bodies, are you sure there is a solo?

Out of experience is all we can talk

Whenever i see a solo is just a guy late night (probably drunk) farming AI looking for stuff specifically or the typical sniper with preplaced traps

[grave wraith]

Not always, no. Although it's likely if you're a trio.

Yet another reason to not bother burning the bodies, it's not even guaranteed for there to be a loot rat.

[muted rain]

And you negate the solo getting more money, whatever, dont burn them then if thats your issue, idk what to say

everyone is rich already

Just played with a guy with 12M for example, dude couldnt care less, same as the rest

[sick girder]

You don't understand why it's more incentivized for people to not play the game than to actually play? Okay. I can't really explain it further.

[grave wraith]

This is always an overstated point, most in the upper tier of players maybe, but I'm not sure even if the majority is overall

[muted rain]

You cant change how people play sadly, i hate meta goobers, but I cant do nothing about it, that for example incentivizes certain playstyles over others that are way more fun

If you cant understand that, I cant do anything

[sick girder]

If you don't comprehend it, I can't really state it anymore plainly. Everytime I rat-strat I was getting $2000 to $2800 Hunt Dollars.

I fought a trio match earlier where we fought and killed every team on the map. We came out with an average of $800.

[muted rain]

Money doesnt matter, just for new players

[sick girder]

Not playing the game isn't a playstyle.

[muted rain]

He could get out with 10, 500 or 2000

everyone has millions

you dont get it

[sick girder]

It does, for many that have nothing left to unlock it's a measure of 'score'.

[grave wraith]

This just isn't true

[sick girder]

Also

[muted rain]

Yeah, new players

[sick girder]

How do you think people got these millions?

[muted rain]

Because dudes have long playtimes and earned money

[grave wraith]

Prestiging players and average players as well

[muted rain]

Doesnt mean they "ratted"

[crystal plume]

My friend is above average but when we get an especially bad loss streak he can easily run out of hunt dollars even without running meta weapons

[grave wraith]

Ty

[muted rain]

Prestiging, I suppose

either that or that loosing streaks are waaaaaaaay too long dude

because losing money in this game is quite hard unless you prestige tbh

And your tool can cost like 11 dollars just do burn bodies, if money is an issue

[grave wraith]

Let's say they are, is it an issue that the best way for him to claw back from that is to do this non-playing-game thing?

[muted rain]

No, you learn weapons spawns and potentially can come back stronger, now more than ever

Run an officer with whatever else is cheap, a romero

get the clue, if spawn fight, fight

if not seek for benches or towers

there you will have most of the times a lovely berthier spitzter waiting for you

or anything, really

even the avto is a world spawn now

nitro has been since long ago etc

[grave wraith]

If this is how you play, good for you, but it's not the best if you want to run your own loadout
Which a lot of people are picky about

[muted rain]

Well, part of hunt is learning how to play with all of the weapons

I suck with cho-kou-nou (the chinese xbow)

but if you consider yourself "above average" and you are running out of money (and you arent doing prestige)

im sorry to say it, you arent above average

[grave wraith]

Yeah. So shouldn't people be encouraged to do that instead?

Just because something is the healthy route, doesn't make it the one that everyone uses

[muted rain]

I didnt claim that

Its hunt, you can do whatever you like, sit on a greyed out compound for 20 mins if you desire

nobody will say anything (whether this is a "good" thing or a "bad" thing)

I play with garbage cheap weapons most of my playthroughs, avoid long ammo and spam medium rifles because I find them personally boring, but I ocasionally play things that are expensive like everyone else does (avto, long ammo, nitro, etc) and out of 1.2/1.3M I have 1M, and that is without having sold everything I hoard already

So money can be an issue, sure, just not against the people I play against. A dude with 12M farmed doesnt care about money. Even burner accs run mosin + dolch every single time

Your experience may differ from mine (which is obvious, simply for not even the elo itself but the localization), and that is perfectly okay

Just bring fuses (flares or whatever) and done

But if you intended to stop the "problem" of gaining money (specially on an event), im sorry to say, that isnt gonna happen just because you burn or do not burn bodies

[inland forge]

uh no? maybe YOU

[muted rain]

I just stated that this just my personal experience and other people might have other problems

But money on 6* mmr teamscore isnt an issue, never has been

So what bothers me is people trying to tell me what I see when I play

Everyone (i could even run a test now dodging 15-20 people) will have more money farmed than myself (because 1m is actually nothing)

Most of randoms (IN MY CASE) range between 2-6 or something like that, maybe more, maybe less, but around that (basically rich, idagaf loadout, sometimes full meta, sometimes for fun, sometimes cheap meta whatever, but not for the price)

and then you have those

this guy couldnt care less if he runs an 800 dollar weapon each match, because it simply does not matter

however to say that this guy is just "a rat" is pure presumption

he plays, just like you and me, the difference is that we have jobs and lives (kidding, no offense to the guy)

[grave wraith]

Who said that

[muted rain]

Someone above insinuated so

"how do you think they gained that money"

If you want, ill tag him

[grave wraith]

You misunderstood. He was pointing out that rich players started with low money numbers too.

[muted rain]

We all started with low money, what is the point? Nobody stars millionare (besides some dev I guess xd) Its very easy to keep gaining money if you know what you are doing

hence why the majority of seasoned players are filthy rich

not to mention that gaining money now is (objectively) easier than ever before

because "events"

• (not a very huge deal, but still free money) more twitch drops, both in content and in appereances

I was searching through old screenshots to show you how even in "old" hunt players were already reaching millions (at least, where i played) and I found instead pain

🥀

[atomic niche]

That's exactly why I want to bring it to attention. Crossbow is the weapon I use most, and on Xbox if I mistakenly hit right stick before LT I'm forced to run away or run in circles until the animation is over. It's just such a niche thing, I don't believe it'll ever get enough attention to fix.

[muted rain]

Understandable, its just an old thing and as you say pretty niche that probably wont ever be fixed (sadly)

[atomic niche]

Just like how sparks silent with FMJ is so unbelievably slow it's almost unusable compared to other options

[muted rain]

Well, silenced sparks isnt on a good spot right now (never has been, honestly)

Before the "buff", it couldnt pen metal sheets (despite it being long ammo) and you were basically forced to take FMJ

but at least it compensated for the damage dropoff of the silencer etc

This (hold on its uploading)

[atomic niche]

Silent sparks isn't a sparks imo. Sparks does 149, 133 might as well take a krag.

[muted rain]

is what im refering to (its fixed by now, but it took some time) (years)

[muted rain]

Yeah, before the buffs, nerfs, iron sight change etc it also did 149 damage, but you still lost (and paid more) what you would take an sparks for

A reasonable fast muzzle velocity and damage consistency

When vetterli came out (and had good iron sights, unlike any other silencer besides the nagant) it was totally a joke

"casted to the deepest of shadows" would be undermining it

[atomic niche]

Ya the iron sight change will always be appreciated but the nerfs affected it hard.

[muted rain]

It has always been a pretty bad weapon, tbh

[atomic niche]

I mean winny c silent also had awful sights unless you ran that one skin

[muted rain]

Yeah, and winnie C is already a niche gun, not exactly what I would define as "good"

Idk what to think on HV nerfs on silencers, krag (that doesnt have hv and never had) was totally broken and I can understand the dmg reduction for silencers, but for many compacts (like the winnie c) it hurts the most

[atomic niche]

Yeah I think in general the nerfs to silencers were unnecessary when the problem only arose from the krag, and at the time, the Maynard bleed silent

[muted rain]

Yeah

But that is what they call balance now, "scarce"

If it kills you its okay because its "scarce" and not broken af

People realized that you could actually aim down sights (yes, aim) and use the maynard on medium ranges or even hipfiring cqc and was basically a somewhat stronger springfield dumdum

[atomic niche]

Honestly I used to not run frag arrows cause I felt it was stupid how easy it was. Now I will run it if I find it

[muted rain]

Honestly, a silenced sniper shouldnt have ever been a thing to begin, in my opinion

[atomic niche]

Agreed

[rotund obsidian]

fuckin. up to 576 velocity with a silencer and a sniper scope lmfao

[muted rain]

The very own existence of maynard is to justify a crutch to those that couldnt handle (at the time) the ms for sniping with an sparks sniper

[muted rain]

Yeah its like poorly designed idk, I think they could have added any other weapon and it would have been fine

instead they copypaste a mosin with worse stats

"content" remember

Now, for example, the winnie c silenced has to bring up either HV or FMJ to pvp (and if you want to run if for the lolz, fire/poison)

Even when perked with levering (an expensive trait) + iron eye, it doesnt even serve well its purpose because of the reduction of damage that can lead to 3 tapping instead of the usual two tap at several ranges

Idk, base damage was fine, I never saw anybody complain about a winfield c silenced killing them, and if I saw it, it is most likely an skill issue

Damage falloff from silencer already + damage reduction itself + wallbang changes makes this thing totally forgotten

Im sure if you wallbang normally (if you hit limbs or some shi) you have to tag a guy like 4-5 times to kill him lmao

7+1 gun? lol yeah not worth it just run a better winfield and avoid silencers tbh

The only one that are "worth" are probably vetterli, krag and sparks pistol (since you will be using that up close, and its small slot, and not 3)

[grave wraith]

Poison ammo nerf also gutted mostly the one thing silencers were useful for

Immolator resistance and 4 shot boons constantly

[muted rain]

With sparks silencer (at least, when it did 149 damage still) you could one tap inmolators to the head (with poison) "silently"

Not very useful, but meh, it had that niche

I still think some weapons would need to have just HV or FMJ, and that they just spammed special ammos on everything, without any justification at all

If im not mistaken (talking about sheer memory here), the fmj dolch can pen up to 5 walls

Not even talking about some weapons that by their own design shouldnt have special ammos to begin with, even if they were powerful or not

Cyclone, dolch, shouldnt have special ammos

(at all)

[atomic niche]

Dolch getting special will always be an odd choice to me. And now it being double scarce it's nearly pointless

[muted rain]

At least when it was medium ammo it kinda shared it statistics

but idk, I dont think it has a place in the game (their special ammos)

I also think (possibly unpopular opinion) that for the sake of balance Crytek should deviate from the "family-tree" of weapons having special ammos (which is ironically what they have been doing with some "recent" additions)

because on some variants they were okay but on some others were problematic (hv or dumdum on officer vs them on officer carabine)

prenerfs and stuff, pistol was okay, strong but still somewhat balanced, but carabine basically overshadowed any other compact weapon at the time

Lemat/lemat carabine has fire, but not poison, despite it being less spammy than officer / officer c (so... why is this a balancing choice?)

But uppermat (another boring all rounder to solve the uppercut problem at the time) has poison, contradicting the entire family-tree of weapons the game is based upon (or at least, their special ammos) (since I dont prestige, im not sure if its even listed as a lemat family weapon, so idk) (not that it adds much in this case)

[atomic niche]

Not to mention nagant silencer becoming obsolete once poison did nothing to immolators.

[muted rain]

Nagant silencer itself xd

It had better sway back then (than the other pistols), but HS range was bad, so it neglected itself

Already niche without even poison

Another forgotten weapon, as its base variant

More often used as an ammo pool for something / utility than anything else

[grave wraith]

@cyan sandal maybe try chu ko nu explosive

[crystal plume]

Also with all due respect, the game balance does not revolve around possible disabilities. Explosive crossbow was frustrating to fight against in the hands of an even somewhat competent player, even more so if a full team was using it

I'm personally very happy about at least having a break from it for the most part thanks to it being scarce

[muted rain]

Specially so when a whole team was using it, thing was cheap af (in a literal sense)

And the zoning requiered no ability whatsoever plus the fact that i could be combined with uncooked explosives

Actually deserved

And that is without even thinking about the poor chaps on console who had it to endure it the most

[muted rain]

In this update it would also be worse, since the new mini barrel is a thing, it wouldnt be fun dying because some mini barrel spawned nearby and received 1 damage from splash and you end up dying randomly

Nah, we fine

[clever hazel]

I'm a fan of this game. I've played over 3,000 hours and built countless memories with teammates.
While most of those memories are positive, there's one persistent issue that continues to disappoint me: the prevalence of cheats.
I understand that some exploits—like those involving object location tracking—are difficult to handle at a system level. But speed-related cheats seem more manageable from a technical standpoint.
For example:

• Reduced cooldowns for weapons or healing
• Faster initiation of healing
• Increased movement speed for hunters
  I encounter these kinds of cheats roughly once every two matches lately. I know how this might sound to others—“Just get better” or “Use counter-cheats”—but that’s not the ecosystem I want this game to evolve into.
  This game has incredible potential and gameplay depth. It deserves a stronger stance against cheating.

[grave wraith]

https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/727457773205323827

Crtek is more likely to see your feedback here ^

[muted rain]

@sterile sentinel Unironically I like your idea, despite that I think that flechette should be balanced properly because if made too strong it could be like a pocket nitro dumdum (and zzzz, honestly). But I like your wallbang idea. In games like Payday 2, flechette actually increases your penetration against armored enemies (of course, no armor here), but the tighter spread could at least make it skilled too

@grave wraith Specter is better than slate, but it needs perks to use it "reliably" (you can run it unperked no problem as long as you know what you are doing). That is why it is cheaper. Also, the bayonet variant does work in-what-you-paid-for, unlike the specter.

150 dollar slate its just a bad joke

Rival is like 150 too, and its a 2 shot with a way worse pattern

[grave wraith]

Are you referring to bulletgrubber? Because bulletgrubber is definitely not so hard to work around by holding fire button / timing your reloads to justify double the price, when everything else about the weapon is just worse.

[muted rain]

No, check their spreads

With slugs 1m difference isnt a big deal, and you dont have the same rof firing as hipfiring unperked

With buckshot specter is like the 2nd or 3rd best shotgun in the game

as it is long barreled

Slate is very close, just a bit worse, probably 4-5

Brother you cannot complain about spam shotguns and want to buff the slate

Antithetical

[grave wraith]

Right. So why should slate be double the price and be objectively worse?

Also sorry but I don't really understand your argument with your first few messages there, are you saying it's allowed to be overpriced because of slugs or did I misunderstand?

[muted rain]

No, you did misunderstand

It is double the price because it came at the time where specter was worse and clunky (not an upgrade) and because you need perks, unlike slate

[grave wraith]

Right. So it's price is outdated.

[muted rain]

Maybe, but 150 isnt what you want, lmao

It should cost more than the specter due to it not needing perks

[grave wraith]

I doubt it would affect pick rates much, but if it meant I saw more slates than specters and crowns compared to now, that's fine by me

[muted rain]

What you dont seem to understand is that the difference is negible

You will be dead either way, 1m isnt anything to boast

And slate is already an used weapon, anything but a rare one

[grave wraith]

Specter does not need traits, traits on it are just a mild convenience. But I could handle a drop down to the $200 range instead.

[muted rain]

I rather buff some forgotten weapons or tools instead

[muted rain]

I said it before, I quote myself "you can run it unperked no problem as long as you know what you are doing"

[muted rain]

.

[grave wraith]

Exactly

[muted rain]

This is not the case for all the players or all of the situations

If you somehow wasted your bullets and you need to reload because you are getting pushed, slate is def better

If you pushed it to 150, the rival (and rival trauma) gets shattered into oblivion, which simply isnt gonna happen

(worst big shotgun spread)

against top 2 top 3?

Yeah not happening

Besides that, there are the special ammos

DB and Flechette and on the meme side, with little use depending or bracket

Slug difference is negible (but you dont lose as many ROF without iron eye with slate + better iron sights than specter / less poluted animations)

And buckshot, more of the same, just hipfire

What I will say is that based on spread, specter penny shot isnt as bad as slate penny shot (which does indeed, suck)

It isnt meta by any means (like buck/slug), but it is fun to run without actually throwing (coff coff db... flechette...)

[zinc hearth]

Hey uhh, quick question: Is it supposed to be possible to get Hunter slots from Dark tribute or anywhere else for free? I have 180 hours on steam and I haven't gotten a single hunter slot for free, I bought two for blood bonds and didn't want to waste any more.

[muted rain]

Yes, chary (xp rewards), what you claim on the right in the menu after certain amount of XP is gained (4 times per day)

Yesterday I won a hunter slot, for example

You can also win (rarely) skins, and other things (that arent as rare), such as hunter slots, loadout slots

points for all of your characters in inventory etc

Or muney

https://tenor.com/view/muneh-rdr2-arthur-morgan-gif-20022681

Honestly (my advice, personally) wouldnt waste BBs on buying hunter slots unless you want to hoard things like a madman

they will come eventually

[muted rain]

180 hours yeah you are basically new, dont waste bbs on buying slots

You are okay even with 3 hunter slots, honestly

Keep playing at it will drop eventually

[flat sandal]

it's still quite strong to do it because you still get these 2 upgrade points. Don't know what the max is now but it's a huge advantage to have it

[hot vigil]

Eeeeeeh wasting shells on the Specter is a non-issue because it comes with 15 shells.
So you need to waste 3 shells to bulletgrubber to be on the SAME reserve as the Slate.

[vapid sail]

its not a waste, its an investment

[vapid sail]

180 thats quite a bit tho

[flat sandal]

dunno, feels like a slot drops every few hundred hours

also wouldn't buy them cause it's a (censored) move system. technically the best way to spend BBs though

[vapid sail]

as random as it gets, one time i had like three drops within a month

[muted rain]

No, you are not getting it, on specter the bullet gets ejected and that leads to a huge downtime

Im not talking about ammo pool, but the 5 bullets it has (4, technically if you reload unperked)

Slate has 6 that you can reload instantly, with no downtime, even a tactical reload

[vapid sail]

true, but is it worth it the double price tag, less ammo and less ammo variants, oh and less spread?

[muted rain]

Slate should cost more than the specter, that is perfectly fine

[hot vigil]

Yeah, Specter does have overall longer reload and top-off speed than the Slate :)

[muted rain]

Yes, that is why specter is now more seen than the slate

[muted rain]

Less ammo variants are irrelevant for some brackets

DB and Flechette are memes

[vapid sail]

if someone doesnt lack creativity both are very useful

[muted rain]

And the specter has less spread than the slate, not the other way around

[muted rain]

Both are meme ammos, no matter how you put it

[vapid sail]

yeah thats what i meant

[muted rain]

Of course they can be fun, nobody is denying that

[grave wraith]

They are but buckshot is too overtuned to pass up rn most of the time

[vapid sail]

nah

[muted rain]

Yes, they are

Whether you like it or not

[vapid sail]

i do not agree

[muted rain]

Explain to me how flechette or db is not meme tier, please

Specially when you have the 2nd best shotgun OHK consistency wise, and spread etc

You are crippling yourself, sure, you can tag someone with db, expect some pellets to land and then uppercut to kill

Still, a good shotgunner will dogwalk you because you lose much OHK range

[vapid sail]

its useful when you dont play them as buckshot, as a strict shotgun, but as a different weapon entirely

[muted rain]

Dude, I know how to play them

I didnt ask for that

[vapid sail]

try using flechette spectre as a medium range and youll be surprised

[muted rain]

Basically any dumdum weapon but worse since its medium bleed, more expensive and you dedicate an entire slot to that

Yeah, not useful

[vapid sail]

you are entitled to that opinion

[muted rain]

Medium range is dying in this game dude

You will get two tapped by an officer carabine in the best of scenarios

[vapid sail]

i do not agree

[hot vigil]

Can you define medium range?

[muted rain]

Or by a pistol even lmao

"but look i hit him 60 medium bleed"

[vapid sail]

around 25 m

[muted rain]

Useless, basically

25m flechette

Hot gorbo

[vapid sail]

i can see you haven't tried that yet

[muted rain]

Mate

You dont know what you are talking about

[vapid sail]

solid argument

[muted rain]

"25m medium range" (not really medium range, but whatever)

If the guy hits his shots with a pistol/rifle or even slugs, you are dead

If the guy is in cover, he can HS you and you cant

killing you

[vapid sail]

yeah sorry, im less of a numbers player, more like playing player

[muted rain]

"but look 40 damage with medium bleed"

[muted rain]

Playing player you mean returning into lobbies I guess

Flechette and DB are meme ammos bro, no matter how you put it

[vapid sail]

nah

do not agree

[muted rain]

But why

[hot vigil]

Yeah, you can 2-tap with flechette and auto5 at those ranges, then again, so can most other rifles if you aim is decent.
Even more now with the limb pen buffs.

[muted rain]

You havent explained why

You just put a situation (imaginary) when you get outclassed by pistols and rifles

[vapid sail]

yeah but with a shotgun you can do it mid air mid sprint from hip

[grave wraith]

TBF flechette can Hipfire so you have better movement

[muted rain]

If you are trading shots against a rifle it doesnt matter, you will be one bar either way

Imagine this dude running and he is trading shots with an springfield dumdum

unless he eats that imaginary distance, he loses

And guess what, if he wins in that scenario, is reductant, because buckshot can already do that

which is the problem with flechette

[vapid sail]

yeah yall keep talking about imaginary scenarios with numbers

[muted rain]

the scenarios you win when the ammo "works" can be done with other stronger ammos

[muted rain]

You are the one that said it

25M flechette

[vapid sail]

sure numbers say one thing but true gameplay says different stuff

[muted rain]

True, I havent seen flechette once in my lobbies

and dbs is run on trios with long ammo to "meme"

[vapid sail]

i bet your lobbies are full of mosins and cyclones and autos and offcer carabines huh

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah, before it devolved I was gonna say, Clown'n'Cringe w. Flechette is scary, can 2-tap up to 40m.
But eh not wort the money for 11 shells and custom re-stock of 2shells per crate.
(Except for the VERY VALID AND FAIR deployable ammo box ofc).

[muted rain]

False, I actually saw someone with C&K when it came out

[muted rain]

Pretty much

[vapid sail]

im sorry for you

[muted rain]

there is not much to see there

[vapid sail]

i dodge 6 star as much as possible beacuse its so sad to be ther

[muted rain]

I understand what you are trying to say

but its simply not true

they can be fun, for sure

[vapid sail]

this game suffers so much when you play against people like you

[muted rain]

but good? pf thats another stretch

[muted rain]

Trust me I play quite cheap regarding this elo

[vapid sail]

yeah for me good is not the biggest number, for me good in a game is fun

[muted rain]

I do agree with this my man

That is why I run things that are fun for me, while not being a meta slave

[vapid sail]

you do sound like a meta slave

[muted rain]

How so?

Because I told you flechette and db are meme?

(factual info)

[vapid sail]

(factual info) i like that

beacuse you sound like a meta slave (factual info)

[muted rain]

That is not factual because you do not know

[vapid sail]

oh okay i get it

[muted rain]

flechette and db are memes because reasons we have already explained

whether you like it or not, I dont know what is your reasoning

Flechette is overshadowed by dumdum, rifles and even pistols (factual, you can test it: and it puts you in a disadvantage in cqc against shotgunners + no wallbang for "medium range" as you call it; if the other guy knows what he is doing, you are dead), and while DB can burn bars, it needs that the other actual shotguner (if one or many xd) either isnt aiming at you or misses blatantly, and then depending on the range you can OHK or not, but it would make (theoretically) the fight easier for you to end with your secondary (which tends to be a high damage rifle/pistol). But white shots exist, perks that counter charcoal & fire and we are in an event (i dont know if you are aware of what this means)

[inland forge]

Why are people calling for more necromancer nerfs? These people would have never survived in old necro lobbies.

[muted rain]

Crutches

"im a solo and I want to revive 37 times on a game"

[vapid sail]

true

[muted rain]

You could have stopped at this by saying "these people wouldnt survived when solos couldnt necro at all"

[vapid sail]

i miss the time when necro wasnt burn trait

[muted rain]

and it would be fine

[inland forge]

Not having to play whack-a-mole with solos has made this game 10x more tolerable.

Forces your team to not just play slots with your goddamn healthbar rezzing you over and over and instead thinking about timing.

[vapid sail]

with that i agree

solo necro was a weird ass time

[inland forge]

I think I've actually had more successful necros with the nerf than before due to it being less common/expected.

[vapid sail]

before the nerf i've never had much trouble with it, even with the constant revivals within the teams, but solo necro deserved the nerf

just something i got used to and expected most of the time

[hot vigil]

Listen man, there is being a meta slave and then there is being meta-slaved hard enough upon, that you kinda have to lean into the meta somewhat or perish.
At certain brackets dumb shit loadouts, while fun to play, just becomes "throwing for your team".

[vapid sail]

its not loadouts fault

[hot vigil]

Tho it was funny to see a solo flop 4 times bc they didn't bring resilience for the concabomb you threw ontop of them lol

[hot vigil]

It can be, some weapons are just statistically worse than others in this game.

[vapid sail]

yeah, stats are one thing, skill another

a good player with sub meta loadout will still outmatch a bad player with meta loadout

[hot vigil]

And when everyone is 6 star mmr bracket?
When most people have the fundamental skills?

[vapid sail]

honestly its hard to say

6mmr doesnt mean anything good

[hot vigil]

Say that to the 2.5kda "meta slave" player lmao

[vapid sail]

yeah i usually do

might as well be a marynard silencer high velocity user as a "high kda meta slave in 6mmr"

one or two kills and extract easy kda

dont even gotta take the finger outta yer bum

[hot vigil]

That is not the players I die to, with such high KDA.

[vapid sail]

thankfully i avoid 6mmr like fire

[hot vigil]

Weapons becomes meta for reason.
They give leniency to failure, yes hunt have the one click equalizer, but still, no one is gonna hit 100% headshots.
And those who tries for that are funny enough using the very meta guns that enables that.

[vapid sail]

dont have to deal with that