feedback-discussion

[acoustic iron]

Machete was made to be mid considering its just a long heavy knife for the most part

[muted rain]

yeah same anims and shi

sad because it has the chinese saber skin (DLC) that is cool

[acoustic iron]

That skin is pretty solid

[muted rain]

Bro

fr they should make this a saber skin hold on

[acoustic iron]

Im holding

[acoustic iron]

Yes

100% yes

[muted rain]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reaction-michi-triste-crying-cat-reaction-sad-cat-hannicion-gif-17190162121303461099

[acoustic iron]

And it would be easy because they already have the handle ready to go

[muted rain]

Yeah when I was noob I wanted the "good" skin for the saber, the golden one

[unborn sandal]

They need to make katana 2 slot again

[acoustic iron]

Oh I just had an idea imma put down brb

[muted rain]

and then one day i realised it was just engravings

[unborn sandal]

It’s just better than the saber in every way

[muted rain]

please include hammer being able to punch concertina twin

[muted rain]

It is, best in slot melee

[acoustic iron]

It's skin related sorry

[muted rain]

😔

@cyan sandal This was talked long before, the explosive xbow wasnt removed because "of no reason" as you state, this claim is false and it was talked by the devs even back to 2022. It was very problematic on console. I understand, you an I are from PC and shouldnt have it that way, but it is up to Crytek to decide whether they want to keep this game unified (balance wise) or separate it regarding balance changes (most likely the first, since its easier)

[acoustic iron]

Honestly i didn't see it enough to have an issue with it on console and when I did it just felt like fighting a slightly more annoying shotgun but that might just be me

[muted rain]

I would say that they would need to merge explosive ammo boxes with bolts so that way it can be "rarer" than other ammos (dumdum, fmj)

[unborn sandal]

@acoustic iron I like the idea but doubtful we’ll get another pirate skins considering we already have thirteenth mate and captain lafitte

[muted rain]

Im not a console player, but Ive seen clips where the aimpunch was very off and console players couldnt aim properly afterwards. However I agree that the penalization for friendly fire was too much and needed to be removed

[acoustic iron]

Unfortunate sad arg

[muted rain]

A friend could entry frag eating your bolt with a shotgun or something and suffer little, while the enemies had full damage

Yeah, we had (sorta) an event based on pirates too

where gunrunner was introduced

(eugh)

You looted more ammo from downed hunters providing basically free avto games

[acoustic iron]

If they changed the friendly damage to be any worse the tker plague on console would get so much worse

[muted rain]

(among other things)

[muted rain]

No no, now its fine because in that sense both parties recieve equal damage

But before your friends (teammates or whatever) had a massive reduction regarding explosives overall

[acoustic iron]

Oh I see

[muted rain]

which made the explosive xbow cheesy af

literally shoot at the ground and you win scenarios

[grave wraith]

@acoustic iron imo treasure chest skin should be for tool box

Probably because I hate ammo box

[acoustic iron]

¿Porque no los dos?

[grave wraith]

[acoustic iron]

Noooooooooooo

[muted rain]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-morgan-stare-dutch-van-der-linde-red-dead-redemption-2-gif-12469504233305973389

The scoped mini springfield is pirate-ish enough

I (sadly) got it on the last twitch drops

Im not using that twin 〽️

[acoustic iron]

I don't mind it but the sway kills me

[muted rain]

Another thing that has been like that FOR AGES

literally years

It had an unbalanced sway where in reality it should have little

Scoped one shot rifle that nobody uses it

but for some reason crytek decides it should have the worst sway in all deadeyes

[unborn sandal]

That’s why steady aim exists brother

[muted rain]

Remember (and if you didnt know, now you know), vetterli deadeye was a laser pointer

[acoustic iron]

I feel like the could give it a little more stock and still call it a 2 slot imo

[muted rain]

With no steady aim and no perks whatsoever

[acoustic iron]

Doesn't trigger fast enough

[muted rain]

Idk if it still is i dont play scopes particulary

its a one shot 400 ms weapon that you must certaintly need to get an special ammo always (dumdum or poison usually, or HV if you fishing for heads... but meh)

[unborn sandal]

It used to take like 6 seconds to activate and 12 to get to max strength but now it starts giving you a bonus instantly and maxes at 3 seconds

[muted rain]

the sway it had back then it was unmatched (literally), because no other weapon had it

[acoustic iron]

Really because I didn't notice it last time I ran my pierat kit

[muted rain]

Cpt laffite goes hard af

shame the skins are for the terminus boring aaah

[acoustic iron]

Kinda mid imo im looking more for pirate and less navy sea captain

[muted rain]

understood

[unborn sandal]

well thirteenth mate is the epitome of pirate but I think he’s no longer obtainable

[muted rain]

Yup no longer obtainable, from the same event

Same as this dude

[acoustic iron]

He's closer to what im looking for but not quite either

[muted rain]

you dont know they dealbreaker it had (this one you can obtain still i think)

brother has NO SHOES

no boots

hes running barefoot

[acoustic iron]

Hes got the dogs out eeeeewwww

[muted rain]

I was happy af because it dropped and then the dude had no shoes

the skin looks cool af but why would this dude be barefoot crytek 😭

[unborn sandal]

Unless they make skin customization (god I hope not) I think you’re gonna have to settle. I doubt you’ll ever get exactly what you want

[acoustic iron]

But yeah im looking for a skin like one of these fellas

[muted rain]

Hunt is also missing some latino representation... we have Leo Nuñez and the javier escuella copycat looking ahhh

that they gave for free

[unborn sandal]

He does not look like Javier escuala bro

[muted rain]

Bro same moustache

type shi

[acoustic iron]

We're there alot of Latino around the bayou back then?

[muted rain]

he is uglier ill give you that

[muted rain]

I mean dude, the "new" map is based around that

All the names are spanish pretty much

"oro gordo" (fat gold)

[acoustic iron]

Im a lil slow sorry lol

[muted rain]

nt man you cant know everything

[unborn sandal]

Back in the 1800s I’m pretty sure there was a big Spanish presence in the southern us

[muted rain]

Yeah, and even in the north east

Colorado....

the name itself xd

means something of color

literally

[acoustic iron]

Yeah i wouldn't be opposed to it sounds interesting

[unborn sandal]

I mean most of America was claimed by Spain before the colonists showed up

[muted rain]

Not to mention Hunt was originally based in Louisiana, which was a french colony to my understanding

They have carnivals etc

Bayou is also french term adopted from native slang etc

[acoustic iron]

So we need more French and Spanish representation i see

[muted rain]

I mean it sells what it sells but we can actually count and we have more chinese or japanese hunters (that really dont even fit the description of a 1895-1896 louisiana) rather than what it is accurate

But I understand pretty lady + krag = money

There is also some free hunter which 99% of the playerbase wont read the bio, but by name it should be also hispanic

[acoustic iron]

We obviously need another mosin skin with cherry blossoms on it and a geisha hunter

[muted rain]

Antonia Higuera

[muted rain]

yeah fr its kind of silly tbh

I remember when it released the ronin and it was meh

at least its only one

it was cool the tanto as a knife skin, the springfield which is accurate (other side of the world but meh still)

[acoustic iron]

Doesn't fit the location at all

[muted rain]

Yeah, of course

[acoustic iron]

But whatever sells am I right guys

[muted rain]

you woudnt fine a fucking ronin dancing around on a bayou XD

but whatever sells exactly

There is also (ubisoft does this all the time) portraining miniorities as characters, while ironically creating huge stereotypes about those people

We have luz mala which is a cuban native and has to be something tribal for example

(which is the case)

Like normal hispanic people do exist bruh 😭

it doesnt need to be a mexican with a moustache longer than a winfield bayonet we get it

[acoustic iron]

I think alot of people dont understand people are just you know people🤣 🤣 🤣

[unborn sandal]

I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t find a 21st century songwriter either Crytek, you clowns

[acoustic iron]

They didn't care the money clouded their judgment

[muted rain]

And with weapons skin is all the same

So far as I recall we have (1) chainpistol that was stolen by the black coat

that is from an spanish aristocrat

[unborn sandal]

What, money they spent? I’m sure their deal was a total loss

[muted rain]

And thats pretty much it

[acoustic iron]

?

[muted rain]

the localization is so wrong it hurts my eyes

i have it on english always but been weeks testing it on spanish and idk who wrote this shi

but its all wrong 🥀

It is hard to find a description of something that doesnt sound edgy af (nitpicking)

[acoustic iron]

Well thats usually how transitions go

[muted rain]

Hunt lore is a pretty niche niche like 99% of people ignore this (im at fault at this too) but this event was pretty terrible in that regard

[acoustic iron]

I love lore but there is a bit too much for me

[muted rain]

Cadwell conversion pistol is translated as "personalized pistol"

Nah gang flatout wrong

"Pistola de conversión cadwell" should be the proper way

It happens on many weapons

[acoustic iron]

Well if you think about it really hard it could make since considering it wasn't a real pistol and if it was made it would of been made specifically for or by one person

[muted rain]

And the uppercut is just "long pistol"

Uppercut literally translates (same as in boxing) as "gancho"

[acoustic iron]

Technically not wrong

[muted rain]

which also means hook

Yeah it is a long pistol

but it is called uppercut

try to search it

just to find out its weird

[acoustic iron]

Sounds like they need to fire their translator

[muted rain]

Yeah the thing is, old weapons (and their respective skins) are translated properly

Like you do not need to find meaning on nitro

You just call it Nitro express, same as english

Not something (like uppercut) "long rifle"

bruh

And wait till you hear the uppermat

If this was old hunt translation, you just call it uppermat because that is its original name

[acoustic iron]

Yep

[muted rain]

On spanish is called "tunda", which is a very uncommon word to say "beating"

[acoustic iron]

Huh

[muted rain]

Yeah twin its just wrong 🥀

[acoustic iron]

You would think it was knuckle duster

[muted rain]

Tools dont have that much of a problem since most of em are old, and properly translated

but i often think that the spanish localization was done just using google

Brother

Knuckle duster

is called "american knife"

[acoustic iron]

Most likely considering hiring a translator costs money

[muted rain]

of course but lol it isnt like it would take a ton of money

[acoustic iron]

Well it is based off the American trench knife so that sorta makes since

[muted rain]

we are talking about the 2nd-3rd most spoken tongue in the world

[muted rain]

Yeah yeah, that is why it was done by like google

It makes sense but they are not good translations in the way of being similar

I expressed myself like shit but I hope it is understood

[acoustic iron]

I understand

[muted rain]

And I already put it on feedback-ui some things (damage history) are also wrong

Dynamites show distance from the guy who throw it, not the explosive itself

But on spanish it says "distancia de impacto" (distance from impact)

which is wrong and misleading

[acoustic iron]

People need to realize when using Google translate you should always pass what you are saying through it multiple times to make sure it comes out right because if it's wrong it'll change on you

[muted rain]

Then you go to steam forums and there were guys asking "How this guy killed me with a dynamite stick out of 22m"

[muted rain]

Well translations go often deeper, but thank god we are just translating basic and simple stuff

Like if there is no official word for it just keep it as in english

"derringer quad" for example (original from quad derringer)

Dont call it "small pistol" or some shi

[acoustic iron]

Yeah i put in hunt showdown is strange and I got El enfrentamiento de caza es extraño which is incorrect

It's close but not quite right

[muted rain]

Yeah because showdown is like confrontation (confrontación)

It is just weird

Caza: El enfrentamiento

just sounds terrible

[acoustic iron]

Translation will always be weird because hardly any languages have direct translations for most things

[muted rain]

keep it hunt showdown bruh nobody translates vermintide as "la plaga de alimañas" its just weird

wonky

Yeah yeah what i wanted to say like my point was many old things are good translations

but newer stuff they just gave up

you could say that about the game too

oopsies

who said that

😔

[acoustic iron]

They probably had a translator originally but couldn't be asked to bring them back

[muted rain]

Seems like it

[muted rain]

People are already mass disliking your bow 3 slot suggerence lmao

they dont like their 30m crutch "nerfed"

😭

[grave wraith]

yeah i expected it

[muted rain]

Hunt players when they cant crouch and hold for 20 mins and win:

[grave wraith]

ironically though it can make some of the most agressive shots in the game

because of near perfect jump and hip accuracy

while also being perfect for camping

[muted rain]

Ik, same can be said about carabines with fast ROF etc or shotguns

Specially their ammos

But on practice people are allergic to having fun

because "muh kda" "muh money"

[grave wraith]

I mained hunting bow for a period of time a while ago

before hh and dewclaw were merged, even

[muted rain]

Yes, when it came out

[grave wraith]

and it was so extremely easy compared to anything else

[muted rain]

I told yall already

walking weapon with hip accuracy with the biggest OHK in the game besides nitro at the time

(and perhaps now, havent tested nitro, boring aaaa)

[grave wraith]

i find nitro a pretty fun weapon personally

i dont see people using it at all though

[muted rain]

Depends, at the time it was more broken

RNG cannon

sometimes at 6* is everywhere and in other lobbies it isnt

[grave wraith]

tbh i wish they would revert the random bullet deviation on it

it's a rifle

[muted rain]

People rather get an spammy shotty not wanting to risk the rng/price, I guess

[muted rain]

yeah, it is also cataloged as such by events challenges etc

Its one of those old weapons that cant really fit without being blatantly op

(dolch before the nerfs etc)

[grave wraith]

because it literally is lol

[muted rain]

Yeah yeah ik

"nitro express rifle"

[grave wraith]

if they nerfed ammo box, i could see it getting some changes/reversions and being balanced.

[muted rain]

I dont like the deafeaning it comes with, seems like they did it to prevent CQC awareness

[grave wraith]

ammo box is really the only thing holding it up

[muted rain]

but ironically doesnt do too much

Idk, dont like the nitro, rng cannon that doesnt take any skill unless you get practically sniped with it (now impossible due to deviation and bullet drop)

[grave wraith]

what makes it an rng cannon

the deviation at long range?

[muted rain]

Bro, 99% of people use nitro hipfiring

that is rng

[grave wraith]

oh, well that's more of a playstyle thing than a weapon thing

mostly i see people hipfiring it with the devil, which isn't rng at all

[muted rain]

Not really, while its true it happens with many weapons, the nitro takes the crown in that sense

it is a weapon (a rifle) that plays like an hyper accurate slug shotgun on steroids

with bleed, obviously (ages since i dont see nitro without shredder)

world spawn on towers and thats it imo

[grave wraith]

you think it's OP right now?

[muted rain]

I dont know if OP its the word, I dont like it, but its strong, but also on a weird place

If you tweak it too much, it becomes OP

If you dont, it gets overshadowed and forgotten

But i remember when it could tap you +60m without any downside

old old hunt

I said to another user too, back then the dumdum (which was called like that) also was bugged and had more pen than the base ammo

[grave wraith]

back when hunt dollars meant slightly more

[muted rain]

and everyone runned it

[grave wraith]

i remember that lol

[muted rain]

Idk people were still having millions farmed, wasnt rare to find ppl with 2-3m

[grave wraith]

more damage through metal sheets or smth

[muted rain]

now its the most normal thing ever

[muted rain]

Yeah

And through brick too

Just bugged values, whatever

The thing I will agree about the nitro is that it could (should) in my opinion have more damage (considering its ammo pool) if you get properly wallbanged with it

What it does now, 72 upper torso?

Utter joke

And the deafeaning mechanic as a way to (what was originally inteded) nerf the "spam meta" many people were talking about back in the day just comes late as inneficient

Not to mention the playerbase that has some kind of problem and seems affected by it

[grave wraith]

just revert the wallbang change in general.

bad change all round

[muted rain]

I been saying that too

Totally reversed (for example) how spitzer works

Before, annoying dwellers with scopes at 250m

Now the best long ammo munition for compound fights

0% downside wallbanging

2 tap on hands 🥀

[grave wraith]

yeah limb damage changes were awful too

[muted rain]

I agree with some on some weapons, specially some compact ones

But dude lmao

They applied it without a care in the world

As always, shi needed to be tested individually and carefull instead of pushing stuff live-testing it and then asking for feedback most of the playerbase wont even complete

[grave wraith]

maybe give weapons a hidden or visible stat, "minimum damage"

no matter what, if you hit someone it would deal at least that amount of damage before distance multipliers

so you dont get so many winnie 4taps

[muted rain]

For example, a thing I hate, as a mostly compact guy, is why the compact ammo has such stupid pen limitation

You are already at a disadvantage by being far

Why cant i pen a wood wall without fmj because im "far"

[grave wraith]

fmj is pretty much necessary on compact

[muted rain]

Obviously

But many guns dont have it, like officer C (we can imagine why, of course)

[muted rain]

And this is another problem, despite how much I love FMJ, it kills diversity

If you dont run new army with some special ammo, you are throwing

Same as the winfield

Either run FMJ or HV

but if not you are going cheap (for some reason, it is like 50 dollars you aint gonna go broke on hunt even by trying) or throwing

This is the case for pistols too

If you see a guy with a normal conversion (or chainpistol), chances he is totally lost or a new player that is kinda clueless

FMJ or dumdum, but something always on, either as a sidearm or with fanning it would help

Specially since it extends the 2 tap range (because damage dropoff as everyone knows) and the pen thingy

Removing that compact limitation would buff other compacts and allow for other things to be played

Idk why they are so afraid of buffing a bit compacts, like dude, we get it, duals and borheims can be annoying, but cmon lmao, we moved past that years ago

Also, add springfield FMJ

🗣️

[grave wraith]

all of this would be so much better if ammo box were nerfed and ammo availability for special and long ammo were reduced

[muted rain]

Idk, I still think this should be done individually looking at each weapon, but I do agree in some sense

Long ammo has been meta since release

Medium ammo had straight up wrong values for years, same as compacts

Pistols too (now all of this is fixed, but it took how many years? lmao)

Wouldnt hurt touching those... sometimes

[grave wraith]

if damage dropoff startpoint were individual for every weapon that might be good

[muted rain]

I could agree but sadly not gonna happen

too much work and testing needed

😔

[grave wraith]

#game-ideas message to anyone who dislikes this suggestion, I really wanna know why? what is the issue?

[unborn sandal]

Bow users that don’t want their easy one shots to require them to sacrifice other parts of their loadout

[grave wraith]

I was hoping to see if anyone who dislikes it themselves had a different reasoning

can never assume right
sometimes maybe

[acoustic iron]

People dont like having their obviously broken toys taken from them

And honestly im fine with it staying 2 slot but with a extreme damage nerf to around 140

Because last time I checked you are much more likely to survive a arrow than a bullet thus it should do less damage than most bullets or atleast long ammo

[unborn dagger]

I don't use bow but the cons it has I say is enough for it to be a 2 slot. Very low mv, very low drop range, your strafing speed is reduced when you have it drawn, and you have to draw it unlike Croasbow where it's just a typical reload.

[acoustic iron]

Simply not enough for all of it's very strong positives

[unborn dagger]

I'd say it is enough. The arrows go at the speed of nerf darts.

[acoustic iron]

Not really

[grave wraith]

they really don't, within the effective range that you should be using a bow, the travel time doesn't matter much. as someone who mained bow for a good bit

and i already explained my opinion on the downside of needing to draw in my post so i don't feel the need to explain that here

the strafing speed reduction i feel similar about, it only matters in close range, and in that close range you barely need to draw anyway for an easy one shot kill.

it's also pretty much the same or the exact same iirc as aiming down sights with any other weapon, so at longer ranges that's not really a bow thing.

[muted rain]

They dont

[grave wraith]

@inland forge small correction, you don't need to go to the other side of the map. there is a center extract.

the thing that it adds is a way to get a fight out of bounty carriers who are running as fast as they can and you physically can't catch up

[keen bolt]

damn, really crytek of them

[unborn dagger]

Indeed, but this event has been the most stable the game has ever been imo so who knows maybe they'll actually fix it this time

[inland forge]

Least stable for me. I never ran into connection problems until this update. Not sure what the deal is.

[grave wraith]

@civic ledge balance wise, what would be the point of dual melees?

it sounds kind of useless to me seeing as melees already one shot

[civic ledge]

Why was there a need for hammer, katana, spear when there was already an axe that would one shot? By that logic we should remove all long ammo bolt actions other than mosin because why do you need so mucb variety for similar outcomes.

Maybe if people can get out of their bubble of deciding things are useless because it doesn't fit their min max meta, and understand that this is a GAME and people are giving ideas about things they think might be fun to play with in the GAME. 🤷🏻‍♂️ but that just me i guess.

[grave wraith]

All of your examples have minor differences and fill the same weapon slots, but dual melees would just be useless. They would fill 2 whole weapon slots for the same effect as a single slot weapon.

[zinc turret]

also @grave wraith , I hate that keeping the bow drawn takes no stamina

[grave wraith]

stamina is messed up in general

like how you can throw tools with no stamina which completely throws them out of balance pun unintended

[delicate inlet]

@bleak oasis I don't know how you use the Chariot card, but it does definitely not encourage teams to camp, the opposite is actually the case. The card is made to bait campers out from their trap invested lair and to stop people that just try to run away from a fight. But you have to use it correct; be more than 150 meters away from the lair - the bounty team can't see enemies and will leave the lair - then you can close the gap between their trap invested lair and them running. If the Chariot card is used then, they can't go back into their lair as you're between them and their lair and you can force a fight on open field or another compound where they have no traps. It's actually one of the most useful cards they added, but it has to be used correctly.

[muted rain]

Melees do different things, and have different properties. You treat it as if the "axe" was a popular option. Melees (as an slot-weapon) are pretty much dead, and spear is a tool. We wont go into specifics but all melees are different, even the machete.

And dont you worry, keep ranking up and everything will be a mosin, if that is your issue

You want dual swords that do something unique? Play the finals. Dual katanas on hunt would be useless, What they would grant? More melee damage? We already have that archetype. You can run the perk and spam the special attack with no stamina cost whatsoever.

[muted rain]

Stamina shot nerf was also uncalled for, tbh

[white plover]

Not really

But it's a bandaid fix

Regen shot and stamina shot are pretty strong, stam shot lets you ignore an entire game mechanic. But it is an annoying game mechanic so they need to fix that aspect of it rather than just nerf duration

[zinc turret]

dual swords are a meme in The Finals as well

[muted rain]

No, stamina nerfs were aimed to buff solo playstyle + try to buff conduit at the time https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/developer-insight-balance-changes-coming-in-update-23?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[muted rain]

C tier weapon vs katana in hunt (best in slot melee)

My point: not even comparable

[white plover]

I am unsure of where it says the stamina nerf was a buff for solos, they did mention making conduit work like it should’ve for solos though

[crystal plume]

I assume they asked chatgpt and it made shit up while providing a source that doesn't even mention it

@near heart Adding more stars won't change anything as the stars are not actual matchmaking brackets

In reality the amount of matchmaking brackets depend on the population of the specific queue

For example EU on PC has the most as the most populated region, meanwhile OCE on console has at most 2 brackets due to having way less players

And even with the EU on PC case it's something like 4 brackets afaik

And before you say "just add more matchmaking brackets then instead" they already have them chosen based on their data and playercounts, only way they add more is if we get more players

[muted rain]

Yes, to search the patch

Im not gonna go looking manually when it was made

You go to a library that can access the source, it has nothing to do with the info inside of it

(Which is, indeed, official and written by devs)

[crystal plume]

So can you point in the link where it states what you are claiming it states?

Because all it mentions as far as I can see are these two changes:

• We have reduced the duration of Stamina Shots and Regeneration Shots.
• The Conduit Trait now gives solo Hunters double the stamina reward and progresses two Clue steps with one interaction. The previous iteration had the problem that depending on the chosen playstyle, it could be more of a drawback for solo Hunters. Now, they receive the progress and the reward from both steps, no questions asked!

No mention of the former point being "aimed to buff solo playstyle"

And the latter is about the fact that originally the change made you get 2 clues but not reward 2x the buffs from picking up a clue with conduit IIRC

[muted rain]

This patch was mixed, but it does have certain focus toward the solo playstyle. Already mentioned conduit, and if you read, lightfoot

Why else nerf stamina here?

[crystal plume]

That still doesn't answer my question, you claimed that specifically the stamina nerfs were aimed to buff solo playstyle, but there is no evidence apart from you essentially saying "I think it's like this"

And as to why else, because they didn't want the stamina and regen shots to be as universal where you can pop them at almost any point and be good, they want you to have to think a bit more when you should use your shots

Stamina shot entirely removes the stamina mechanic, it shouldn't be something you can just pop 1-2 of at the beginning of the match and have infinite stamina for most if not the rest of the match

[muted rain]

Patch history, look it yourself, even nearby patches have huge updates regarding solo balancing

If that doesnt answer your question, idk what to do

[muted rain]

So far the road we have went, all of this is trivialized by either "new" mechanics or events themselves

So not a very good job

Or either, and most likely, an identity crisis

[crystal plume]

My question is about as literal as it can be, you provided the link as "proof" of your claim yet it doesn't specifically prove your claim, my question was "So can you point in the link where it states what you are claiming it states?" and your answer at this point should be "It doesn't, I just think it's like that even if it's not exclusively stated"

[muted rain]

"patch history"

as in the-patches-that-were-soon-to-come or recent-to-this-one

Some balancing changes do not tell you directly or even manage to encapsulate why it was done. We were talking the other day (as an example) of the removal of the explosive xbow because it created exploitable strategies. They dont tell you how do to them or how it was played, but you can deduce yourself (despite it not being stated literally) how it was played

By your argument, that claim would hold no truth at all, since it doesnt appear as stated

[crystal plume]

Yeah? As long as something like that isn't exclusively stated by the developers to be the case, all you're doing is speculation

[muted rain]

So if you played the game, and learn how to do those "explotaible strategies", by your logic, they arent real and they are just speculation

Nice

[crystal plume]

No? I'm saying that you are speculating the specific reason for why they made the ammo scarce

[muted rain]

The devs didnt state (we could use any example, but whatever) "you can throw explosives at your teammates and they will have reduced aimpunch and damage while the enemy suffers all of it so the guy who entry frags cannot be the one doing the zonning with the explosive xbow

[crystal plume]

It could be something as simple as "enough people found it annyoing to fight against so we are reducing the amount of times you'll face them"

[muted rain]

But that is speculation for you

because it isnt stated "literally"

[muted rain]

That is not the case, you want screenshot?

Since 2022 they have been trying to balance that for console public

the fact that they put it now as scarce as the realization of "oh dang, this is broken" because the "scarce" mechanic is now a thing is totally different

Obviously in 2022 we didnt have that

im sure you remember

instead we had other problems...

Reading between the lines and playing the game itself can help you to understand notes without them being "speculation"

[crystal plume]

I'm good, you are still missing my points and seem to not understand what is and isn't speculation so I'll move on to other things, have a good one 😄

[muted rain]

Devs wont tell you specifically the exploits you can recreate (for obvious reasons)

Stating why they fix x y z at the time doesnt seem very speculative

[muted rain]

No, you are the one missing stuff. Another example, the broken bunnyhop (silent) with lightfoot. They dont state that in the "fix" or the "nerf" of the perk, but you know WHY they did it. But by your logic it isnt true because it isnt stated literally "Oh, guys, we realized this is actually an exploit where you can jump without making any type of noise and rotate around while jumping and its broken af" so therefore is not real and it is pure product of speculation. LMAO. Sure, dude.

That isnt speculation, it is having played the game at the time, nothing complex here.

Now if for you everything has to be written down literally for you to take into consideration, im sorry to break it to you lad, but it doesnt happen in any game, not even in the biggest ones (playerbase wise)

When the crouch accuracy was removed & ammo nerf was reduced, they didnt tell you literally "because we wanted to balance certain broken guns like the nitro, avto, and certain dualis", they just put it in

Now saying that it was blatantly for guns like dualis conversion fmjs at the time isnt speculation, is you failling to either read between the lines or having played the game itself at the time (do you think they increased the price of those randomly one day because they felt like it later on?)

Same as if I were to say that weapon progression (XP) on variants made also on this patch were to ease players that were doing prestige. Instead they just tell you the basic stuff of what they did, now why the did it is another topic. This is logical, do you think this change is aimed toward new players? Of course not, lmao. It is aimed at people that had to re-unlock everything over and over and over again, aka, prestige players

But for you, it is also speculation

Mind you, the same literal patch that included things like gun oil or blueprint changes (unlocks, pretty much)

Now you can obviously deduce that is for players doing prestige, not for the level 11 guy that goes to a bench and finds the oil. Sure, it is nice for new players, but what is used for and developed is as another tool to skip farming XP for each variant of the weapon you wanted to play over and over again. "But it is also not true for you, as it isnt stated literally", so therefore it isnt true at all, is what you been saying. If only the world worked that way, dude xd

[grave wraith]

You're arguing with a wall rn man let it go

[muted rain]

@foggy hearth I have no idea why your suggestion is being downvoted, after all, it is good QoL having accesibility features like those (or reducing the rays for people with light sensibility/epileptics, or turning flashes into black instead of white if those were still around lol) but I do agree

But yeah people with blood or needle phobia I mean its just hiding the animation as a settings, shouldnt be even a huge amout of work

[grave wraith]

Probably concerns about people just using it for an advantage like most accessibility features turn out. Not hearing the stim sound could help clear your audio to hear enemies.

And it's very specific. It's hard to add such a specific accessibility feature without then being inclined to add a billion others.

[muted rain]

I have like this sort of rule-of-thumb scenario I use to judge if a game has good accesibility stuff: compare it to an horrible game that did good things (payday 2). If payday 2 has an option and your game hasnt, there is a high chance your game is shite

[muted rain]

I get you, but that could be tweaked too

You could still hear the shot and not see the animation

I dont have a problem with this stuff but ik some people IRL that have it, same as epilepsy

and things like using a beetle are just pure pain

[grave wraith]

Trying to make some games accessible for epilepsy is just luring epileptic people in to inevitably be triggered by something. Games like hunt just can't remove all epileptic triggers

And if they try, they're making it more likely for those people to play and be at risk

[muted rain]

I dont agree with the sound thingy, but I cant judge because I dont know, but removing the fov momentarily when using a shot shouldnt be a huge thing, but yeah, its an small issue for a very low % of players

[muted rain]

Idk man, I get you, but some devs had doable approaches about this and they are no longer issues with it

R6 (a game that is basically shit by today) has the flashbang option implemend, and has some other anti epileptic features

[grave wraith]

Right. It's just hard to make such a targeted change, then somehow not also make an arachnophobia mode, no violence mode, no burning mode, etc

[muted rain]

Yeah, again is more of a resource thingy thing, they have other things to work upon besides an small chunk, nearly negible

[grave wraith]

It seems very risky to me no matter what seeing as hunt has so many features that are triggering by design

<@&357256267087085568> scam

[muted rain]

Again lol, it has happened twice in like 10 mins

Out of sheer curiosity why it is always the same scam?

at this point they would have more sucess swaping things lol

[grave wraith]

The way I see it, either an epilepsy mode would be so ineffective that it's just risky to lure people in, or it would be so helpful that all the sweats would just abuse it for visual clarity.

I don't see a middle ground where it's also totally safe for epileptic people to play

[muted rain]

As if all the 3rd party gorbo wasnt enough 😭

HuDs, reshaders

I came across this dude (obviously a 6* on trios sweating his ass off long ammo dolch p fmj)

look at this hold on

guy was "streaming"

while using certain 3rd party HUD and the image is not bad, is a filter put on

and he could see through some cracks

the image pans more but you have names and that can be shown here etc you know how it goes

he was teaming with a dude that killed himself to expectate

[grave wraith]

Lol man had the game on apex legends mode

[muted rain]

and having this as a second monitor to see all people on the match

and since on some timelines (at least on EU) the population on 5.5 match mmr used to be so small, it was easy af to cheese this and get paired with "your friends"

[muted rain]

Bro I wish I would have saved the stream or the clip or whatever so you could see the quality

like this thing over here

he could see through all of that

because of sharpening filters + FXAA* sorry

so dude could see if a pixel moved, he could shoot instantly (but the hunters were totally visible through wood cracks)

I have never seen (besides cheaters) an individual so dedicated in exploiting stuff than this dweller

Like the other building, the hut that is nearby, basically soft walling

His entire premade was playing like that, dolch P with shotgun/long ammo and cheesing the shi outta this game

i remember taking a break after this lol

@idle frost 6* population isnt big enough (specially at some specific timeszones, even in the most populated regions) to have proper or "fair" matchmaking

If you are playing trios at 6*, expect to see full 6 stars up to some 5 or even 4s paired with 2 sixes

Sadly the game isnt failling at maths, there isnt just enough playerbase

The "good" thing is you get to know people

because you can be playing against the same trio for 5 straight on matches

Always been an issue, but unless Hunt pulls playerbase and makes it 6* somehow, it isnt happening anytime soon

they already bumped 5* to be 6* to compensate and it is still a problem

[idle frost]

I was playing in Europe, but yeah it is kinda understandable, but I still think that we should get something beyond 6 star, cause I've been in that mmr gap for the last 500 hours (I played for 900+ overall) and I don't think I am a good player, whenever I meet a real 6* I am just getting dumped out. I guess there is not much to do about it, I wish Hunt would get more players.

[muted rain]

Yeah, i get you, its underwhelming

[grave wraith]

No way

[muted rain]

Many of us shouldnt be 6*, not even be at the highest bracket, which is silly

because the game surely has monster players, +8000h, people that play for a living etc

[idle frost]

On the other hand we can't really have more mmr, we are already spreading people between 3 modes, more mmr starts would probably make it look worse

[muted rain]

but sadly it is like that... always have been in part

[muted rain]

Yeah, the problem is that the other elos have "little" mmr difference (numeric) compared to 6*, that has like a 2000 diff

Or used to be that way

More mmr stars would only extend the problem, and we would have people saying all the same "why do I have 7* players if im 6* and my teamscore on trios is 6 or 6.5"

There aint enough players, and despite what people might say out of love for the game, Hunt has always been a coin flip

The player retention is not good, you either stick around for ages or play 50h (or less) and dump it, but there has never been an steady uprising

Currently we have the same numbers as 2021, so its "stable" in that sense, but you arent getting any huge bumps

Hell, even the highest peak hunt has ever seen (1896) was a total failure where you couldnt even launch the game or play it, and it was review bombed (where we lost, via steamcharts, 20.000 players)

And this is only taking into consideration PC... console numbers could be better or worse, but assuming the lack of updates & support at the time, id bet the house on the "it was not good at all" button

[muted rain]

When I was more new I also got killed by Hornet on 6* 🥀

He was playing rachta and (fronkie i think?) he steamrolled us this time

https://youtu.be/AGSX092l0Es?t=30

im the guy with the exp crossbow trying to pull my secondary for the officer shot

〽️

no way im in this level dude mmr was silly back then and i assume it is too now

that was when da slug was busted af too and flashes

i hated that time thank god flashes arent a thing

[grave wraith]

Slugs then were better than buckshot now at least

[muted rain]

Dude, way better

More ammo, more damage, more damage retention

I have the damage log screenshoted of that game

that romero shot did like 104 in 22m

cant be mad because he hit me with skilled one shot guns (hell, even the lemat was pre-buff, wasnt like an standarized shotgun like it is now, granted i was like 50 hp so it didnt matter)

but we are talking about the time the C&K had 0 recoil with slugs

OP af

[grave wraith]

Oh I mean like it was better for the game than the current buckshot

[muted rain]

Cause current buckshot is just spam

zzzz

Spam shotguns ruined the game

Killed melee combat

and also killed close-to-medium combat

[grave wraith]

As if melee combat ever had a life

[muted rain]

Yeah, on lower elos it did

When I started playing my friend that introduced Hunt to me everyone was new

[grave wraith]

I wish they could just remove the crowns

But skins

[muted rain]

and you were dancing with an axe and mini xbow

2018, 2019

[idle frost]

I think spam weapons overall are making a game experience worse

[muted rain]

this type of stuff

[grave wraith]

Bornheim is ok though

That's the exception

[muted rain]

Some are, some have their place (i dont have issues with borheims)

But things like vetterli cyclone shouldnt exist

[grave wraith]

Officer and double action revolvers are cool too

[grave wraith]

Yeah I see people arguing that it's not overpowered but even if it isn't it still doesn't have a place in the game

[muted rain]

0 issues with borheim match, it was a headshot popper (still kinda is) and thank god it got its ammo pool buffed

[idle frost]

I am okay with borheims either, but cyclone, levering, auto 4/5, it is not fun

[muted rain]

still a 3 shot gun on most scenarios

[grave wraith]

Naw levering is fine imo

[muted rain]

The better levering (compact ammo long rifles) is still to this day, objectively worse than pre crouch nerf fmj conversions dualis

If you stood still and crouched

easy 80m headshot

"rng"

if not dont worry, you would get 2-3 tapped either way

Its crazy because the "meta" shifted to crouching with dualis to remove rng for the most part to bow on release and slugs, aka, now walking simulator (not counting things like avto, mosin, long ammo in general and dolch & uppercut cause those have always been there)

[idle frost]

The bow is my most hated weapon, I mean, yeah it's hard to hit, but for 2 slots and 53$ this is way too good.

[muted rain]

Bow should be a 3 slot, and thats how it is

Hundred hands was stronger at the time

so it had crazy breakpoints

Thankfully is easy to counter them, most bow users just stand crouched and are very passive on teamfights

[idle frost]

That's true, but there are some good ones out there, and they are the most scary enemies to deal with

[muted rain]

Honestly, and with all respect, I have yet to find one that isnt a crouching npc / profesional angle holder

the low amounts of bows i see are on the ground

easy to bait and shotgunned afterwards

but it is a good weapon to start unperked

dolch p / uppercut precision / uppermat (on preference, basically) + bow and you have a very decent loadout

[idle frost]

The most recent ones

I think this is way too much DMG for an arrow

[muted rain]

See, that is also a bracket difference

People think that you should play bow walking and shooting from hip

and they dont like poison ammo

they dont know how punishing it is to be bleeding (medium to soon, heavy) and 15 secs without heals

[idle frost]

Also apparently the poison arrow is worse in retaining DMG and at fly distance as far as I know.

[muted rain]

Real bow users aim and run poison on at least 1 slot

[muted rain]

That I dont know, havent tested it, but meh

[idle frost]

It is a really good zoning ability, better than Springfield dum dum, close to Maynard dum dum

I don't think any fire can come close to this

[muted rain]

Of course, for the simple fact that good players stop bleed by healing (medkit or syringes)

But since you cannot do that, you need to have bloodless and still stop it

Its a huge deal in teamfights

But people think aiming from the hip is better

Sure, if you are stuck playing against 4*s it might do the job, it is strong af after all

But on teamfights totally different

[muted rain]

So many people (still, to this day) stop the bleed first and heal later

which is a huge waste of time (specially, when we have perks that increase healing time)

[grave wraith]

lmao it is NOT hard to hit.

[muted rain]

But with poison bow, you cannot do this

You need to do it manually, as if you were new

[grave wraith]

#game-ideas message btw @idle frost seeing as this is relevant

[muted rain]

if you are minus 123, bleeding, poisoned, getting pushed and possibly watched via E (thanks to the perk)

[idle frost]

At least there are less and less of them

[muted rain]

you are dead xd

29 dislikes from people that shoot bow from the hip

easiest predictable prefire headshot in your life

[grave wraith]

28

[muted rain]

The bot, true true

[grave wraith]

you know the saddest thing? I really want to like the bow. I want to use it, I like the concept of the weapon. but it's too broken so I feel garbage for using it xd

[idle frost]

Unfortunately, cause this is a decent nerf without going too hard on the DMG output

[muted rain]

It is a "big weapon", strong af against AI, strong against players (at least, unaware ones), even stronger when poison is applied, no drop, better than the xbow

Frag deals heavy bleed no matter what

(easy cheese if your team is running long ammo)

(which, they are, obviously)

[idle frost]

And yeah, I feel bad for the crossbow, it is a bit more comfortable and that's it, those extra one shot meters don't cover 2 and 3 slot difference

[muted rain]

I dont see why it shouldnt be a 3 slot weapon

Meanwhile we still have things that objectively suck (im looking at you, specter bayonet)

[idle frost]

F for specter bayonet, also f for big default Romero

[muted rain]

I still use the normal romero if im going cheap, but talon is always my go to

Half slug half buckshot/pennyshot

WIth derringer you have like 13/14 shots plus slug

Secondary fmj new army and you have a solid starter kit

[idle frost]

I also go with the talon version, but if you are looking for a close fight to pair with any other weapon beside shotguns small Romero would be definitely better.

[muted rain]

I love romero HC, always have loved it

I never play HC with slugs tho

because i have a rifle usually besides (yes, sadly i use QM sometimes)

[idle frost]

I've seen a guy on YouTube that did some testing and buckshot is better on shorties in most scenarios

Romero is losing 1 meter of one tap range with buckshot

[muted rain]

Yeah, shotguns (buckshot) was tweaked on certain weapons because it used another system that didnt work or make sense at all (barrel lenght)

Before, what you picked was always a rival (usually with slugs)

Now, id say its the worst medium shotgun of the bunch

How times change

[grave wraith]

no

[idle frost]

Unfortunately I missed all that stuff, by the time I got to the game, the 'meta' didn't really change, bow showed up and medium ammo weapons got stronger

[grave wraith]

crown and romero

back then

were the main shotguns

but rival is cool

[grave wraith]

? i'm pretty certain bow has a longer one shot range.

with hh.

[muted rain]

Handcannons bro

We were talking about hc

[grave wraith]

ah ok, i saw more romero hc than rival hc tbh

[muted rain]

Terminus didnt exist, rival did, romero was meh

[idle frost]

I still use it quite often with conversion fmj as a cheap fly into a compound

[grave wraith]

but yeah that makes more sense

[muted rain]

30m with hh

(upper torso)

[grave wraith]

ridiculous

[muted rain]

Indeed

[grave wraith]

more than double romero

and with bleed

[idle frost]

As far as I remember bow is 30 into the chest and the crossbow is 36(1 meter of insta bleed out) with steel bolts.

[muted rain]

And with 16x ammo?

[grave wraith]

so it's effectively 32

[grave wraith]

infinite ammo basically

retrieving

[muted rain]

Yeah

Now if close you could counter them if you had buckshot via wallbang

Now its totally rng, you can do 60, 30, 80 or instakill them

[idle frost]

And now with perk to see arrows built in too

[grave wraith]

even then you need to reload and they dont

[muted rain]

That is why you gotta be careful with romero when wallbanging

[muted rain]

Allow me to present you my strategy shoot romero hit or miss bow guy gets confidence and gets tapped by a penny shoot tool

we burn him while we dance in circles and everything is sunny again

[grave wraith]

use throwing spear to put a stake through its heart

that's what i do to some of my enemies

[muted rain]

This is not being talked enough, it is actually a huge buff for was already meta (spear) and an strong popular weapon on some brackets (bow)

Trivializing once again the poison ammo on high elos thingy, when you do see the bow

[idle frost]

Spear is way too good compared to other melee tools

[muted rain]

But hell, even back wasnt a problem

ammo box and done

[muted rain]

It goes like that, every melee has its place (minus heavy knife). Knuckle knife gets too strong as its an all rounder, still taps player to the head but deals no bleed (and so gets nerfed to infinitum). Throwing knives are shit. Tomahawk gets released and its intantly meta, they add the perk for it, now (last event) throwing knives are meta since they are buffed because nobody used them, now they get nerfed again, spear takes the place

[idle frost]

Spear + derringer penny shot is the ultimate combo for any pve scenario and also useful in pvp

[muted rain]

Yes

That is the way to go

Spear + pennyshot, and flares or flaregun depending on if you are playing close/long loadouts

[idle frost]

Flayer gun if solo or chokes if in party is my choice

[muted rain]

but flaregun objectively better

yeah dude, flaregun is better than the flares themselves

you can explosive trick much better, for example

and burn bodies no matter the distance, something you cant do with normal flares

[grave wraith]

oh was this a followup to what you just said, not a response to "flare gun or chokes"?

[muted rain]

at the cost of more hunt dollars (duh) and learning to aim

[muted rain]

No no, comparing flaregun and flares

[idle frost]

Agree, default flayers are making it harder to make money and are harder to replenish, less comfortable to use but cheaper, but that cheaper price would go more expensive in the end

[grave wraith]

heavy knife is slept on imo

[muted rain]

Its sucks bro

"haha im cheap"

thats it

[grave wraith]

compared to the broken throwing tools, yea, but i think it's a healthy competitor to knife

[muted rain]

Yeah, but knife is already another meh melee nobody uses

[grave wraith]

good stamina efficiency and killing multiple grunts at once with no need for heavy attacks, and has the best conc clear out of all the tools in the game

[muted rain]

Its either throwing tool or knuckle knife

[grave wraith]

knife is only used for skins haha

[muted rain]

Killing AI is not a flex sadly

if you want to kill ai, get a bat

you will do much better

[grave wraith]

it's a melee tool, what else do you want it to do???

you gonna use it to kill in pvp????

[idle frost]

So true

[muted rain]

Kill players at melee distance, what they used to do

Even at those scenarios back then, heavy knife sucked because of its animation

[grave wraith]

melee tools are 99% used for PvE purposes though

[muted rain]

Now they are

Xd

Wasnt like that always og

[grave wraith]

even back then it was pretty rare to get a melee tool kill

although it was more common than now

[muted rain]

I disagree

[grave wraith]

we are talking about now anyway so what it used to be like doesn't really matter

[muted rain]

I wouldnt say it was common, but it could happen, and its much much rarer now via an absurd degree

[muted rain]

Now stamina doesnt matter because you run big shot, you have cards that trivialize it, perks, conduit, 4shot etc etc

So you get a worse animation with lesser range

but "haha im cheap" as a pro

[idle frost]

Yeah but then you have that one game where you hit a guy with heavy attack into a hand while aiming into a head and you wish to have a knife or anything else at that moment

[grave wraith]

big stam shot is a waste of a consumable slot for me

conduit is not a 1st game trait by any means

4 shot boon is silly, but you can only get that somewhat deep into a match

and heavy knife still has the best conc clear, which is the biggest pvp purpose of a melee tool right now

[muted rain]

The animation is what it makes it bad

Its been like that since release

[idle frost]

If I am solo I always run conduit + necro + magpie

[muted rain]

Disagree

Agreed

No, you can get it very early if you know the map and use E, and its 1 point

Meh

[muted rain]

Discard conduit unless you are rushing the boss

[idle frost]

Conduit gives you an opportunity to beat the timings of any other team

[muted rain]

You are better off with resilience, vigilant and dauntless

[grave wraith]

Disagree

Agree

Yeah 4 shot boon is dumb

Meh

[muted rain]

Sorry, im asuming you are like me and play only trios, perhaps for solo duos it is goated

i cant find a match even if i wanted to

[idle frost]

In the party yes, resilience must have, but as a solo I don't need it

[idle frost]

Yep, always 1v3

[muted rain]

Id say quite the opposite, if you are actively solo with no other teams around, you want to tank that shot

or eat that trap or whatever

die properly so you can res, even if they wallbang you

if you are at 1 hp, you cant do that

[grave wraith]

if vit shot, regen shot and stam shot are all necessary then do you not have any issues only having 1 slot left for utility?

i always bring 2 utilities

[muted rain]

I run white shot, ammo box (sorry, yes), big stam, big regen

(on levels 1)

[grave wraith]

interesting, how do you flush people for a push?

[idle frost]

I don't like duo mode, people seem to be more scared cause they don't have third teammate covering them while one is downed, also it is harder to move on the map cause more teams, more movement on the map

[muted rain]

Easy, you get to a compound or a ressuply, you have already 1 slot left through stamina ussage

And since you know where each thing spawns, you can get explosives

If not, depending on the loadout, i usually entry frag

so wallbang lots

[grave wraith]

fair enough, that's a good strategy

[muted rain]

Yes, duo is way more campy

[grave wraith]

although i personally prefer the guaranteed util of my choice
frag bomb is just so much better than a dyna stick

[muted rain]

And its somewhat more dead on my region, at least

There is the obvious thing, people run more casually than trios and you are most likely to get 3rd partied yadayadadada

[muted rain]

An stick alone is useless

And I always (like my friends) run dauntless

So many people dont cook or throw properly

so your explosive or choke is 80% times useless

and if you run shotguns or have good aim, it is an instant punish for the guy throwing

its funny when you kill him, drops the explosive and tks his friend

[grave wraith]

yet another thing that surefoot throws out of balance

[muted rain]

remove surefoot

zzz

[grave wraith]

thanks

[grave wraith]

https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/524577494863708180

[muted rain]

you had my vote since day 1

I dont want that shi in the game

and it causes desync problems

it is terrible no matter how you look it

another crutch

[grave wraith]

im not linking my own suggestion there

im saying you can suggest it if you want lol

[muted rain]

It would be like reposting honestly

control c control v

but since crytek does it with weapons im guessing its fine

🥀

[idle frost]

Ok guys, it's been a long time chatting here. Before I leave I want to give out a hot take.

[muted rain]

Same, gonna eat

[grave wraith]

ok we're braced

[muted rain]

cheers dude

been a blast

[idle frost]

Recent DMG changes to limbs and changes to losing DMG over distance where a bad changes.

[grave wraith]

is that really a hot take

seems pretty reasonable

[idle frost]

I didn't really see anybody complaining about it, so I guess.

[icy tapir]

@echo valve #feedback message

Why do I see the default skin when I top up my account? I bought skins, installed them, and now I want to see what I chose! We paid for this! I agree that we get certain skins from killed hunters, but we should get our own skins from yellow boxes that don't belong to anyone!
What in tarnation are you even saying?

[hot vigil]

Think they want tools looted in-game to apply skins you own.
Which honestly I wouldn't mind bc otherwise I'm never gonna see that poison bomb skin in action lol

[icy tapir]

OK, but the boxes are orange not yellow XD. Also the "don't belong to anyone" threw me off.
Thought they were wanting frickin lootboxes or something.

[echo valve]

What I'm talking about is:

1. We buy skins
2. We put them in the menu
3. We find a yellow box
4. We pick up an item and it's a damn standard skin
5. Where is what I bought and why should I look at standard skins?

[icy tapir]

Leftovers from it being more hardcore oriented (like when we used to have to pay Blood Bonds to clean our own gun after being revived). World and Hunter looted items count as Contraband, and Crytek has not yet decided to allow skins to be applied to Contraband after extracting. What you want with the skin already being applied when looted though (though unchangeable from that skin as it would be Contraband) I'm sure would be more agreeable.

What you typed just now would be better to put in your #feedback post, becasue that was easier to understand than an angry rant.

[proper moss]

I dont miss the gun cleaning but it could be brought back as a way to clean contraband items perhaps so theyre no longer contraband

contraband status kind of feels like a moot point these days anyways

[unreal laurel]

Gun cleaning is a deep cut

[elder ibex]

another star bracket do nothing. Current mmr changes made only because crytek partners whining about "Oh man searching is longer than 1 min. Oh dude server is half empty". And now almost 1/3 of mmr range ocupied by 6 star. If you feel you dont belong in 6 star, so deal with it, we just meat for their entertainment

[manic burrow]

Is it? Gun cleaning isn’t that old

[jaunty copper]

yall dont think free look would be any good?

still thinking the number one thing I want most is for the ai to path straight to us, shamble over things, and fall off things to get to us in the most linear path possible, hate when ai find a reasonable path to take to use

[grave wraith]

@jaunty copper cool ideas. Maybe the dead velvet boss could be related to the one from Waldmann's story. It would make it feel cohesive to the lore and could lead to some fun roleplay

And I would love to see high damage pickaxe-wielding zombies in mine compound/s

[jaunty copper]

ooooh, yes!

[foggy hearth]

I suggested it for a friend whose recently started playing with severe needle phobia. He actually finds the sound just as triggering as a visual unfortunately. I understand concerns about it being abused; a balance could be that it's turning off the sounds for everyone that uses them, so you then lose out on audio knowledge that might influence when you push, etc?

[grave wraith]

Someone made a cool suggestion based on yours. Having alternatives to the shots that are smelling salts

[acoustic iron]

I also have a extreme phobia of needles and honestly it really bothered me at first but you get over it, it also helps that the injection site is just slightly out of frame

Also Sorry but imma be honest this game was designed to be slightly disturbing and if you're friend really can't handle it the game just isn't for them because the same could be said about the spiders there is no arachnophobia setting and there probably never will be its just how the game was designed

[muted rain]

Basically, huge health shots are pretty commonly used, and since (quite song time) it takes more to inject than "small" vitality shots

that sound can be crucial for you to wallbang the guy and kill him before he heals

(this is just an example)

[crystal plume]

@weary valve Your post was removed since ideas should be readable in the post itself rather than being a link to some doc and they should be kept to one idea per post

[weary valve]

All good! Noted

[muted rain]

If jack the reaper (circa 1888 on uk) had an scottfield with hunt stats he wouldnt have manage to kill anyone 🥀

[foggy hearth]

I'm aware, that's why to avoid ppl 'abusing' the mechanic I suggested the sound is removed overall in that setting, so anyone using it doesn't get free info.

[crystal plume]

While ideally people shouldn't have to worry about their phobias while playing the game, this is the first time I remember seeing someone mention the needles in Hunt as a problem for them. The more common phobia related issues have been arachnophobia and trypophobia

So honestly speaking I don't know if it's big enough of an issue to warrant work put into it

If we need anything accessibility wise they should start with colorblindness filters

[foggy hearth]

I agree bigger features for disabled players should take priority for sure

[grave wraith]

#game-ideas message I gotta ask for thoughts from anyone willing to read this text wall

[proper moss]

I dont think regen shot negates the need for other healing. I'll still bring weak vit shots for a quick instant heal when needed since the weak shots are a quicker usage than the full ones

also stuff like doctor and physician are still good because you'll still usually bring a medkit or use ones found in the world

I think the regen is good in its current state

[grave wraith]

We don't disagree there

[crystal plume]

It makes tags less valuable

Healing used to be something that you would deplete with time

[proper moss]

yeah fair

[crystal plume]

But now you tag someone and they just hide and heal without spending any medkits

[grave wraith]

It makes tags utterly meaningless a lot of the time

Less valuable is an understatement imo

[proper moss]

but you can also negate it with a status effect

bleed, poison, fire

[crystal plume]

Depends

[grave wraith]

My point is not that other healing is useless, but that it is no longer a resource that needs to be properly managed.

[crystal plume]

But I also hate the status effects/custom ammo

[proper moss]

also fair

[crystal plume]

And would prefer all custom ammo being scarce

[grave wraith]

Another thing surefoot ruins tbh

[proper moss]

I dont run custom ammo, at least the status effect ones, except for on bolts

[grave wraith]

Surefoot and regen are a nightmare combo for the health of the game

[proper moss]

but at the same time surefoot + pitcher, great for running and throwing items

maybe if they only kept regen shot as a weak version

instead of giving us a full version too

[grave wraith]

Well I'd prefer it to what we have right now at least lol

[proper moss]

yeah I mean its not a bad idea, it does bring up some good points

I feel like its a hard item to balance though because too much in either direction, buff or nerf, it negates the use of other items or becomes useless itself

[muted rain]

Meh, depending on the bracket as always, but most commonly tags are meaningless if the guy isnt killed, most of the time (as said) you dont even get to burn their medkits

You either get OHK or headshotted

Honestly balancing regen has been problematic since release

We dont need to go far, from the very moment it allows you to break some breakpoints and tank a 3rd shot while fighting back or running, its a must have

[crystal plume]

It should just be another resource you spend when you get hit, have it be on timer but also have a limited amount of HP it can heal

Or the timer goes down faster when you are actively healing

[muted rain]

This wouldnt hurt but id like to see it tested on vanilla hunt

[proper moss]

could give it limits

[muted rain]

not on event showdown 1896

[proper moss]

Heal 2 full bars of health or 4 small bars.

So it has limited usage during the time and can run out of healing

maybe

idk the best way of balancing that

[muted rain]

if mechanics like that are trivialized because events and 4shot boons among other things, most likely they wont do a good job at the end of the day

beyond any major regen tweak id like to see it first on vanilla hunt

or on TTS, rather than the live-testing method

that leads to "oh this is broken" or "oh this is explotaible" and then fixing it a year later and calling it content

[proper moss]

yeah

I think capping how much it can heal during its timeframe might be the move

cause then you can still get the duration but then it only heals so much

so once it reaches the equivalent of lets say 2 large bars or 4 small bars of healing, it stops, but we might need a UI indicator for people

[crystal plume]

That would be too little for it to be worth it tbh

[proper moss]

I mean I just picked an arbitrary amount of health bars

[crystal plume]

Needs to be somewhere around 200-300hp worth of healing at least

[proper moss]

it really could be anything

but I was basing it off of health bars just because it makes it easier for me to visualize how much healing it would do

[muted rain]

I honestly dont have a problem of how it works right now due to the meta being instantly killed

If you get tagged it just means downtime for you

I dont think it needs further nerfing, but that is just my opinion

[proper moss]

yeah, like even in its current state if I get tagged, If Im not using a medkit or a vit as well, I'll take cover or move positions while I regen

so it still takes me out of the fight to get tagged

[muted rain]

Yeah, and if you are getting pushed its the typical high risk high reward scenario

do you want to either heal fast + medkit to fight full hp or risk getting downed/trading/killed

Thats why I insist on testing it out of events, even if you burned all of the medkits while playing like that, you can get to a pledge box and get all your meds back (among other tools ammo etc) for 1 point so lmao who cares about regen

Idk, with so many more long ammo added into the game, besides buffing to the medium, regen doesnt seem that bad, if you start with a lvl 1 hunter like everyone it can be annoying burning 2 meds because someone tagged you

I think regen its in a fairly good place rn, despite it all

[crystal plume]

As someone who's played since 2018, I just preferred the gunplay and fights more back then overall. Tags mattered, applying status effects took specialized equipment like consumables rather than you having 30 incendiary/bleed/poison bullets, calling out who you downed mattered as they were guaranteed to be missing a bar but not anymore with all the recovery traits and recovery shot

So much powercreep and making some things too accessible

[muted rain]

I mean, the game was very punitive if you were downed

You can understand it is not fun for the general playerbase (not for the majority, probably) if you die cause some goober was on a tree with a lebel and now you are doomed for the rest of the match

[crystal plume]

I want bar recovery outside banishing as well, I just don't like how it was implemented

[muted rain]

I think white shot was W, and regen also was

[crystal plume]

Peacekeeper was the most balanced way to get bars back as you had to loot a body for it

[muted rain]

at least gives something to fight off long ammo

[crystal plume]

Recovery shot is the worst offender, the traits have at least some indicator of them being used/activated

With recovery shot you just have to assume they have one always

Which makes calling out people who you downed pretty much pointless

[muted rain]

Which is the case in most lobbies, even when playing with randoms

And it is fair, it doesnt feel nice dying to a toe shot because you died once

Game was too punitive against some weapons (long ammo) and very little to those that werent using such weapons

Before FMJ was a thing even, or special ammos

[crystal plume]

It doesn't, but why should you be able to make you getting downed not matter near instantly in the same fight

[muted rain]

You tank 2 winnie shots but if they hit you with mosin or whatever you are dead

just boring and forcing stalemates

[crystal plume]

The whole point of downing someone is to put them at a disadvantage even if they get revived for the duration of the fight

[muted rain]

People dont want to fight because they will get toe tapped

[crystal plume]

Bar restoration should be something that happens more between fights

[muted rain]

Because in my opinion, the game is much more fun like that

If you killed someone, you make sure they stay downed

If they get up and heal, thats on you

[crystal plume]

With this revive speed and necro? Doesn't happen that often

[muted rain]

Of course in some scenarios this isnt possible

[crystal plume]

Reviving is very easy

[muted rain]

I dislike the changes done to necro, it should have been audible as it was before

like more audible

still is, but you know, lesser now

[muted rain]

As it should be, honestly, I agree with necro not removing HPs anymore since you can get to fight instead of having to waste time

Hunt is a shooter (despite what anyone might say), not a wall looking simulator

And (said this countless times) it is actually more fun (and it should be) if people played it more casually as an arena shooter instead of a sweating simulator

[crystal plume]

Which I agree with, but that can happen even without trivializing the gameplay by making nothing matter as much anymore

It's more of a issue with the players than the game honestly

And no matter what is changed those kind of players will always exist

[muted rain]

Yeah, but I dont think this happens because of the "new" added shots, but because of the constant event mechanics and its balancing

[crystal plume]

Hardly

[muted rain]

It is what it is

🥀

[crystal plume]

Events come and go, they are a factor but we are comparing them to core game mechanics that exist between all events

[muted rain]

The thing is core mechanics cease to exist once you are on a perma-event based game

Having 2 months where "nobody" plays and then getting an event which is basically recycled skins and QoL doesnt seem like a good way to do things

And I do believe steamcharts has a point in this regard, playerbase is "solid", small, but solid, but you aint getting any bumps, just the same ol dudes playing this

[muted rain]

I dont think they come and go since a long time bud, they are 24/7 basically

[crystal plume]

Except our average in the last 30 days has been the highest since the engine upgrade last year

[muted rain]

when they arent, people dont play and say "hunt is dead"

ignoring the core of the game

which hurts balance, btw

[muted rain]

Engine upgrade improved many things (like the terrible AA og hunt had), but Hunt literally gained nothing

An influx of new players that soon came and went

20k players lost

[zinc turret]

People who say that Hunt is dead haven't got a clue

[crystal plume]

Not my point, we all know it was a flop, point is that we are going back up

[muted rain]

Sure, for us, the players, it allowed many things

but for the higher ups, they want to see green numbers and money with the minimal effort, as 99.9% companies

[muted rain]

Time will tell

seems pretty stale

[muted rain]

The only reason this game hasnt closed down is because it is Crytek cashcow

New World had similar playerbase since update (50-60k players on steam, and a higher all time peak) and it closed

Because its amazon, and since it doesnt benefit them to keep it running, it is getting closed soon

[zinc turret]

NW was closed because Amazon is scaling down (basically cancelling) its gaming efforts.

[muted rain]

Exactly my point: huge company that has several other projects and doesnt need this to survive, no green number --> live service taken down

On the contrast, Crytek does need Hunt

[zinc turret]

And you know it wasn't earning on itself how?

[crystal plume]

Saying that the game hasn't closed because it makes Crytek money is such a nothingburger of an argument imo, "Only reason this icecream is still being produced is because it makes this icecream company money". It's basically their only product at this point and even if they go back to making and releasing Crysis 4 it's obvious that it wouldn't generate as much revenue as a multiplayer live service game

Water makes things wet kind of an argument

[muted rain]

Dude, that is literally it; its their only product

If hunt closed down, where do you think Crytek would go?

To their 5th bankrupcy?

xD

"nothingburger of an argument" more like real-world-scenario but oh well

[crystal plume]

"A company which runs on money needs their product to make money"

Is what I hear

[muted rain]

You are hearing wrong then, you are missing the point

Crytek has only this, og

[muted rain]

No, contrary to what people might think, New world was actually earning quite some

But amazon decided to layoff (you guessed it) in order to hoard more money

[reef pebble]

Sorry but what about the crysis frenchise? and the cryengine

[muted rain]

They literally kicked out everyone

[muted rain]

Crysis franchise isnt a moneymaker

[reef pebble]

The cryengine isnt only used for cryteks games its a product

[muted rain]

Yes, and which famous products use cryengine, specially this new version?

You cant compare this to UE4 or UE5, like it or not

[reef pebble]

Kingdom comedeliverance would come to mind quickly

Or the sniper games

[crystal plume]

Whatever they get from licensing their engine is likely less than what they make with their own in house live service game

[zinc turret]

I'm sorry, I fail to see any point in anything you're saying. Crytek is a game and engine developer. They sell both - to make money, yes. Your point being...?

[muted rain]

Dude, that doesnt gain them enough revenue

[reef pebble]

yeah

[muted rain]

It is already stated above. Hunt is the cashcow of Crytek

like it or not, it is what it is

[zinc turret]

"Cashcow" - as in it makes them money? Well yeah that's the point lol

[muted rain]

No, as the company is basically sustained on this single product that generates way more revenue (and thus get more support) than its other projects

So far what we are hearing, that they were working on the crysis?

[reef pebble]

It is their product what is your point? there is a lot of dev studios out there that have one main game or just a single game

[crystal plume]

Why are you saying it as if it's a bad thing though? Pretty much all of us here want them to focus on Hunt

[zinc turret]

Assuming that's true, you're still failing to convey any point at all

A company has a product that's more successful than some of its other products. Is that supposed to be a bad thing? For the company? For the product? So confusing.

[crystal plume]

While I like Crysis as a game series I'm not that heartbroken about Crysis 4 being put on ice

[reef pebble]

and mind you the indie games are a big hit although its their only game most of the time

[muted rain]

Not a bad thing per se, just that they need to be extra careful with what they do

we were talking about balancing, remember

[muted rain]

Dont compare indie developers to crytek dude

its literally a meme

Crytek used to be a huge european dev

not exactly your "indie" dev

[proper moss]

Prey 2017 as well

[zinc turret]

Crytek is an indie developer, always was.

[reef pebble]

what kind of balancing are we talking about i am not reading all 500 messages yall sent

[reef pebble]

or the sniper franchise

[muted rain]

No? XD

[crystal plume]

Prey was such a good game

[proper moss]

yeah which those games run quite well

[zinc turret]

Really? Someone bought Crytek? Damn, I wasn't looking for one second!

[proper moss]

I just played through contracts 2 recently

[muted rain]

Crytek was an AAA publisher

far cry 1

dont even get started with that

[crystal plume]

I don't think you understand what indie and AA or AAA means unless you are trolling

[muted rain]

they arent indie

[crystal plume]

Crytek/Hunt is more of a AA game/studio atm

[proper moss]

theyre indie in the independently owned sense but theyre not indie as in games

[zinc turret]

They're independent, not owned by some massive Yank publishing company. Close enough.

[reef pebble]

Ok crytek being indi is a crazy take

[muted rain]

Right now they are, yeah

[muted rain]

Not crazy, just ignorant of what "indie" means

[muted rain]

That doesnt mean they are indie, Crytek (as stated above, again) was a huge european company

[crystal plume]

They are self-publishing but not self-funded, they are a big company with investors still

[reef pebble]

yeah it s not that hard of a definition but you know what i mean with crazy

[zinc turret]

A "huge" company, eh? Right.

[muted rain]

R* is also based on europe (scottish), you wouldnt say "oh but they arent owned by yanks so its okay they indie"

[zinc turret]

R* is owned by Take 2 or someone.

So no, I wouldn't say that.

[proper moss]

big enough, around 400 employees

[muted rain]

Yes, they have several studios around the world, with many employees. You compare this to an indie studio? Lol

[muted rain]

Precisely my point, owned by the chinese

[proper moss]

plus subsidiaries

[zinc turret]

400 employees is "huge" today? All right, you do you.

[proper moss]

I never said huge

I said big enough

[zinc turret]

it is all relative, of course

[muted rain]

Not indie by any chance

not a shot in the world

[proper moss]

just independently owned

but not indie games

[zinc turret]

^

[proper moss]

Like Valve is technically Indie in the independently owned sense but theyre not an indie game studio

[zinc turret]

Man, valve must be the most independent game company in the word lol

[reef pebble]

I think we all know its not indie, can we go back to the balancing point you were talking about. And could you recapitulate what you were saying about balancing

[muted rain]

To call valve, one of the biggest publishers of all time, an indie company

"yeah microsoft is indie too"

[zinc turret]

Right. I came here to whinge about auto shoguns anyway 🫡

[muted rain]

I understand your point but bruh

idk how ppl say that

[crystal plume]

Which they won't remove btw and asking for it is pointless 😄

[proper moss]

Again, I said independently owned but not an indie game studio

[crystal plume]

Would be more productive to suggest actual changes to them

[proper moss]

anyways

moot point

[crystal plume]

But they won't flat out remove them

[muted rain]

Yes, C&K has like 6 skins already?

and auto4 has 2 by now