feedback-discussion

[hot vigil]

Since the hs changes, you can get one tapped (you can test it yourself) by an small xbow with choke bombs
I was fighting a dude, killed his teammate, whatever
Headshoted me with shotbolt (probably, one of the most skilled primaries in game) through wallbang
he did 15 damage
This was your statement

[muted rain]

Keep reading (3rd time now)

[hot vigil]

Dunno how else it can be read

[muted rain]

Down, what did I say

it is further, it is also down

again

and again...

and again...

Read the whole messages, not what is tagged

you were busy fighting an strawman but seek for the whole argument

[hot vigil]

Okay and that is where my question is: how do you want shotbolt to work when it wallbang?
Because rn it works as a buckshot, but you don't want that or at least you don't think think it is consistent enough right?

You want it have tighter spread?

Less damage reduction?

[muted rain]

I want what they did with Nitro, to just not copypaste "dumdum" but apply specific properties that make the ammo unique that is necesary for its proper balance (in this case, a buff)

[hot vigil]

Okay, but how

Do you think hitting damage reduction or spread would work best?

[muted rain]

Its pretty obvious, by separating this special ammo as a copypasted buckshot preview

They literally did this with nitro

"shredder"

"Guys, the nitro dumdum is busted cause it can one tap you at 60-70m"

"Okay, we review its ammo, separate it from dumdum and apply specific properties"

Solved

The nitro (for example) was bugged for years and the dumdum actually did more pen damage (and If i remember correctly, penetrated more layers) than the base ammo

[hot vigil]

Okay, while I don't agree shotbolt needs that kind of buff, I understand your point now.
It can still 1-tap thru walls, it is just random, which just how buckshot works (I know you don't want it to be buckshot, but still)

[muted rain]

They separated it and applied other values; sure, still works as dumdum but it is not dumdum

[hot vigil]

Actually Dum Dum/Shredder just kept getting buffs in the beginning

And they renamed it to Shredder bc it was misleading calling it "Dum Dum" bc it can pen :)

The Dum Dum ammo on the Nitro differs from other weapons because it is able to penetrate at least once. We felt it important to better differentiate the two ammo types by adjusting the name. It’s important to mention this does not change the gameplay in any way.

[muted rain]

You have a trouble with reading dude

[muted rain]

.

Boy you must have a deep love for tautologies

[hot vigil]

There are no patch notes about fixing the shredder pen due to it being bugged.

[muted rain]

I have no other explanation

[muted rain]

Surely there isnt any videos of the biggest content creators explaining this in depth...

Not that it was well know anyhow either

Oh wait... there are...

〽️

(rachta literally has a video from years ago explaining this, among many others)

[hot vigil]

Again, just saying there are no patch notes about.

[muted rain]

The dumdum pen was bugged, it pen more than the base ammo

If you wanna look into it (this is all pre 1896, of course)

look

im not gonna search it for you

i was there, i played, you want to believe or not, I couldnt care tbh

[muted rain]

Many fixes arent stated in patch notes

This is not only a hunt issue, it happens even on the biggest of games (playerbase wise, like gta)

I dont get what you are trying to say

"This change doesnt appear on patch notes hence it wasnt real" seemed what you were trying to say

[hot vigil]

No I am just trying use offical patch notes, but there is the 1.14 patch that nerfed shredder a couple of years ago.

[muted rain]

We have a perfect example of this, in fact, very recent

[hot vigil]

Just cannot recall if it was due to it being bugged or not.

[muted rain]

CS2 released a patch (4 days ago? something like that) where they did the contract thingy (market, everyone knows, with reds etc) but they changed things about Inferno (a popular map, im sure you know it)

Patch notes dont even state half of the things they did with the map

[hot vigil]

I know, I know

[muted rain]

(removed windows, removed metalic things, changed how the render works even on some props)

But that isnt on patch notes

So?

[hot vigil]

Crytek also do that often with their maps

[muted rain]

They are still real changes

Im aware

Many things on desalle were changed

and didnt appear (for example)

when it was brought up again

[hot vigil]

Sure, just been playing this game for 7+ years now, so it is not always easy to keep track of X/Y/Z change why it happened or how it was mentioned or not mentioned in the pathc notes.

[muted rain]

I didnt bring patch notes, and they hold usually little relevance in this game

[hot vigil]

Sometimes, sometimes not

I usually refere to them and go from there.

[muted rain]

Most of the community gets informed by the games marketing (viewers, streamers)

They dont read patch notes

Hence why people are still clueless about some mechanics that were introduced

(seek the cards, for example)

[hot vigil]

Seek the cards?

[muted rain]

Tarot cards

How could anyone be confused about some of them that are literally the most straightfoward thing ever

"kill all AI on X meters but you recieve Y debuff"

and people are still confused on what it does

[hot vigil]

And even with hints when you inspect htem

[muted rain]

yeah

[hot vigil]

But well, it is a lot of new cards I guess

And if you don't read up on them before jumping in

[muted rain]

My point here is that, arguing with you, people do not actually read patch notes (majority of people of course, other people do read them)

and hence they are confused about many things

If you seek the chat or comentary section of any "big" streamer you will see that too

Not talking even about new players, its normal to be confused there

[hot vigil]

Agree very much

[muted rain]

But people that have 2000h and ignore basic mechanics

they-do-not-read

and if they do, there is a % that do not comprehend (at all) what they just read

[hot vigil]

That much we can agree on

[unborn dagger]

@hot vigil I mean we already have models of people being hanged and they're a zombie that is hanged. More than likely a person that just simply disnt want to turn into those things while alive.

[muted rain]

TWD aaa sound trap

I mean whatever out of all the things people post it aint that bad

They have it easy, new locations to spawn this trap and a model that is already used, tweaked a bit and we have another sound trap

the only "new" sound trap we had was bats... which.... idk (xd)

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-release-me-joseph-seed-gif-12887358985963630884

the hanging grunt

[unborn dagger]

I don't know if this is as bad but we also have emaciated dogs in pens and cows that we just casually shoot at to get them to shut up.

[muted rain]

The problem with soundtraps are prefixes and that is a curve i suppose

it works fine for the majority of players, but those on lower or higher elos pay them no mind

someone said it days ago, its like decoys

so meh, honestly, I think they should release something else that isnt a boring long ammo rifle again or a sound trap

the concept itself doesnt work at all (without entering on specifics), since you can already learn the spawns and pretty much deal with it

that applies for all soundtraps

If this ever is added at all it will probably come into testing grounds as an "event exclusive new ai" same as the mini spiders, wouldnt surprise me at all

And then people would decide if they stay or not

[unborn dagger]

You're not wrong, but definitely hope the spiders stay, one of the very few(Even if they can be annoying) enemy types that can pose as a threat since they spawn so many.

[muted rain]

Yeah the only thing I dont like (which btw is present for crows and ducks, but not for other sound traps; i dont know if bats follow this) is that they respawn

For the lair I can understand, but for towers, brick ruins etc it feels weird and pretty cheap

No wonder they put a limit on how many you can kill

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah that is true, I just always wanna take all aspects into account when suggeting such things :)

@visual anchor Think it is more alluding that spent casing could get stuck/jammed in the cylinder after expending the bullet.
Tho knocking them loose like that would make more sense on the scottfield and new army as they don't have an ejector rod.
Or well, at least not the swift variants, which have ejector stars.

[muted rain]

It would be nice if the swift variants allowed you to do tactical (or partial, whatever you might wanna call em) without droping your bullets to the ground

Specially considering both are compound weapons; swift scottfield is only used with fanning (dead trait, honestly, and with scotfield is already pretty meh) and new army just to spam I guess, but hold back for its 6/12 pool, so idk

Wouldnt hurt tbh

New army is like my fav revolver (compact) but it sucks not having the swift skins (the cool ones :c) on the base variant

I dont want to be forced to drop my boolets because a good habit (reloading with a 6 cylinder revolver where you need 2-3 bodyshots to kill)

[hot vigil]

Wouldn't that just make swift variants straight upgrades from their base variants?

[muted rain]

We can just stick it up to bulletgrubber and done

For the 2 people that use them, at least you need a perk

[hot vigil]

Wouldn't mind it working with bulletgrubber.

[muted rain]

The quad derringer could also work with that, it would make the 2 persons that use it happy

I aint see any con

This only works because of the 2 weapons that are currently swift, of course

[rotund obsidian]

quad derringer is the goat i wont take this slander

I think the tradeoff of having fast reloads in exchange for being punished for partial reloads is good, it makes swifts interesting instead of being a straight upgrade.

[icy saddle]

Can someone please explain this to me so I understand what I did wrong? The math isn't mathing in my head

(note: There was no wall in between us)

[rotund obsidian]

Huh, shotbolt direct impact seems to inherit the shotgun damage multiplier (1.5x) instead of being treated as a single projectile and able to one-tap to the head. You hit the guy with the bolt, but the entire shotgun pellet blast missed.

[muted rain]

I like it og

Goated tool

But bullet drop affected it heavily and it shouldnt

(buff quad)

[icy saddle]

I had the same reaction as you. I just don't understand. The math isn't mathing. LOL

[muted rain]

If you get headshoted by a 140/150 ms tool you deserve it, no need to have like 40m drop or that

[icy saddle]

regardless of all that. I was 8 meters away

[rotund obsidian]

ok this might be a hot take but i think the drop on derringer is fine in a vacuum but why the FUCK did the bornheim silencer (which had a worse headshot range pre 2.0) get such a better drop range?

[muted rain]

We were discussing this before, shotbolt has copypasted buckshot values

It isnt treated as a projectile as such

[icy saddle]

LOL

[muted rain]

Yeah, ik

[icy saddle]

well, thanks for confirming the game fucked me. I just thought I was wrong this time

[rotund obsidian]

yeah i mean the bolt itself only does 50 damage. you missed the entire shotgun blast by grazing his head, probably on the trailing edge while he was running, or mid-crouch, or something like that

[muted rain]

For reference, if you had an small xbow with chokes (before, 1 hp) you could have headshoted him

and kill

[rotund obsidian]

https://medal.tv/games/hunt-showdown/clips/kFNrhlco72pOVwnmH?invite=cr-MSxMWGEsMTk4ODM1MTE5&v=17

[icy saddle]

Thanks. The Kill recap UI needs better hit representation then

[muted rain]

Yeah, that is because it actually counts as a projectile (new hs changes and can actually kill)

[muted rain]

Goated winfield, this was the skin that removed the weird metalic things in the day

[hot vigil]

Shotbolt can 1-tap to head, but shotbolt is also kinda bugged (or Crytek said they change how the shotgun spread worked which made it inconsitent at time).

[muted rain]

Now we have two

[rotund obsidian]

I've seen the nonlethal shotbolt headshot before but not since 2.0 so i wasnt sure if it actually got the lethal headshot quirk or not, since it has pellets after the impact

[muted rain]

Its been asked ad infinitum but the devs refuse to upgrade the system

[muted rain]

Been on both sides, and it feels like getting robbed

We were talking this before, its already a high skill primary with huge downtime in a world full of C&Ks

at least if I purchase (or other person, whatever) the ammo to properly wallbang

work xd

[hot vigil]

Think an aspect is how the shotbolt hits the head.
If you grace it, some pellets might fly out of the head hitbox.
But I will say that is speculation at best.

[icy saddle]

Yea, that is what I was thinking must have happened, but I was dead one with my shot. the only thing that made sense was a ping lag aimpunch I didn't feel

[rotund obsidian]

I believe there is also a slight delay before the pellets come out after impact. like, VERY short. but yeah mostly that. especially when target is in motion

[muted rain]

I did this long ago, on old hunt

13% pellets (nothing), therefore, no kill

But still, you headshoted a guy with an xbow through wallbang

[icy saddle]

I think the dude had the "Thick Headed" Perk

[muted rain]

I think it should be way better if it was treated as a projectile

you can hs ppl with a romero slug and it will never let you down

HS is HS

But not with shotbolt

[hot vigil]

Yeah for sure

[muted rain]

The delay is also true, the "explosion" of the pellets can be detrimental against high ping players

I dont see that being talked enough

Another reason why xbow is 〽️ rip

[rotund obsidian]

nah steel bolts lowkey busted

[muted rain]

Yeah

Straight upgrade

"oh bohoo but you have less bolts"

Literally shouldnt exist

[icy saddle]

My ping is 66 so it ain't that bad I think

[muted rain]

its okay

[hot vigil]

Yeah it was weird they went: It have slight downside to yeah just straight upgrade.
But then again, Specter

[muted rain]

As long as you arent +120 or overtly exploiting

Specter the clunky funny shotgun with the obnoxious reload bug

suddenly fixed, animations still dont match properly

and a cheap meta shotty

not that it matters tbh, shotguns have always been about who can pump the 2nd shot faster if the first doesnt OHK

that is why barrel lenght was an useless idea

1m (the difference) is nothing

And to this day specter bayonet is still trash

[hot vigil]

Barrel lenght was a fine concept on paper, just you know, you set baseline with a long barrel auto shotty kinda fucks that up

[muted rain]

🥀

[muted rain]

I agree, spam shotguns messed up everything

I liked some consistency changes it brought along (now the lemat is usable and no longer worse than actual penny shot derringer)

or some straight buffs (romero or specter hc)

But bruh auto4 🥀

[hot vigil]

I liked that HC got a buff, don't like they got this big of a buff lol

[muted rain]

Its only a problem for spam shotguns

HC has only one shot and a melee attack

Rival has 2 shots and very few ammo

[hot vigil]

The fact that the OHK range for Romero and Romero HC is basically the same is kinda wild.

[muted rain]

Specter needs perks (specially when used with slugs)

But then.... auto4 came...

https://tenor.com/view/gragas-prowler-league-league-of-legends-meme-gif-16806618042377491316

[muted rain]

I dont mind it, I use it honestly

1 shot shotguns are way more skilled than spam shotguns

HC got the buff it deserved

Before it was rival rival rival

[hot vigil]

Sure, but still think there should be difference of using a 2-slot or and 3-slot.

[muted rain]

It is, just slightly for romero

[hot vigil]

Here are some numbers I ran earlier:
Romero HC damage increase: 47.6% (2.8% loss of damage going from 3-slot to 2-slot)
Rival HC damage increase: 50.48% (14.1% loss of damage going from 3-slot to 2-slot)
Teminus HC damage increase: 60% (9.7% loss of damage going from 3-slot to 2-slot)

[muted rain]

terminus 🥀

The fact they are handcannons is already a nerf to all their ammos basically (off meta ones)

[rotund obsidian]

the murder circus and its consequences have been a disaster for hunterkind

[muted rain]

You dont put pennyshot on a HC (maybe on a romero for cqc but thats it)

[hot vigil]

Romero HC:

• Old: 145,
• New: 214,
• 3-slot: 220,
  Rival HC:
• Old: 105,
• New: 158,
• 3-slot: 184,
  Terminus HC:
• Old: 105,
• New: 168,
• 3-slot: 186

[muted rain]

I remember before the buff

terminus hc with penny shot was terrible

[muted rain]

(delete terminu-)

〽️

[hot vigil]

Why?

[muted rain]

we already have a 2 iq walking weapon that can be spammed and kills up to 30m

it is called bow

Terminus started the devs idea for adding more spam weapons

[hot vigil]

True true, I kinda like the idea of terminus, don't like they buffed its levering speed and spread tho

[muted rain]

it went downhill cuh from there

Buff xbow, nerf bow

Thats the real discussion

[hot vigil]

Make bow 3-slot

[muted rain]

Fr

[hot vigil]

I hate getting tapped by bows

[muted rain]

Oddly enough, when they merged the perks (obviously, because nobody would take the melee as it sucks)

the melee still does 125

as if someone stabbed you with a (short) springfield bayonet or a winnie vandal

😴

[icy saddle]

awkwardly sitting here with his favorite bow listening to people rant against it

[muted rain]

You can sit it is just poorly thought

[hot vigil]

I will never fault people for liking the very good and very strong thing :)
But I hope you can understand that it is very good and very strong lol

[muted rain]

the OHK it has (even to limbs) its silly

[icy saddle]

Me knowing my bow is a special bow and has saved me in many 1v3 situations

because it is sooo broken

[hot vigil]

And if it doesn't OHK it apply medium bleed.
Sure crossbow applies heavy bleed, but also takes ages to reload.
Bow just tap one, they bleed, now you just need to tap them again

[muted rain]

Yeah, medium quickly escalates to heavy anyway

"take bloodless" yeah twin I already do that every game

but still can one tap to torso to 30m

that is just silly

A romero slug (again, it is what it is) should have more OHK than a bow

Less ammo, more downtime

more expensive

idc

Someone can tomahawk you and applies medium bleed

but a frag arrow from 15m you get heavy bleed

🥀

[hot vigil]

Bow is kinda wild yeah, it can go full nitro on a full draw and you can 1-tap in CQC by holding the bow for 0.2 seconds.

[muted rain]

You are 125-130 without being able to move now getting tapped by mosin

Yeah, bow users either are proffesionals holders

crouch npcs

or straight up walking npcs

It would be great to bait shots up close shoulder peeking if not for the fact that if he hits you in the arm you just die

〽️

[hot vigil]

Or you bait the shot, they miss, but they can still 1-tap you by cycling a new shot and hold the bow for 0.2 seconds

[muted rain]

But it takes skill bro... because they had to hold 0.2 seconds...

Or, as a listed projectile, just headlevel without charging

Probably the most 2 iq weapon in the game besides meta weapons

[hot vigil]

Also why does bow have better drop than crossbow, literally the biggest thing about a crossbow was you could fire it more straight for longer distance 😭

[muted rain]

(literally makes no sense at all)

You can snipe people with bow

and if you miss nothing happens because you can shoot again

Xbow has 3-5s reload?

Xd

and the drop worsened by anything that isnt the meta ammo

and still the meta ammo is worse than normal bow

(xd)

[hot vigil]

Bow was fine, strong, but fine for the longest time, but once again, 2.0 update just went "lmao, HH damage is now base damage for the bow!"

[muted rain]

Nice balancing there crytek

When it was released it was strong af

the perk upgraded the damage a shitton

for some reason...

(untested)

(live playtested in fact)

(crytek fav hobby)

[hot vigil]

Yeah, they nerfed HH from +25% to +10%.
And then in 2.0 update they just gave that 10% damage as a base damage buff and on top of that 10% if you have HH.

[muted rain]

Why only "cheaters" like the rain? Wtf is up with feedback 😭

[hot vigil]

Imagine hating "fun fog" lol

[muted rain]

"bUt ThErE wErE diFfeRent PerKs" as if anyone with a brain chose the slow lesser ranged 125 dmg bayonet and not the OP one

[muted rain]

Obviously there are people who exploit or use 3rd party software to this day to remove rain or fog, but man, we cant remove a weather because of that lmao

That is a suggestion truly, read it yourself

It is on feedback

Sorry to break it to the "hunters" but this system of rain was already a thing in 2008 for L4D2

literally worked similar

[hot vigil]

Also, as a bomblauncher lover, I hate the fact that waxed frag deals less damage than frag arrow despite being able to only fire 1 waxed frag for every 3rd frag arrow the bow can shit out.
I gues techincally it have the upside of being able to detonate in water but still!

[muted rain]

Dont get me started with the bomblauncher.... it has drilling problems

for starters, the balls have the spread of a rival HC

[hot vigil]

Yeah I read it lol
And I still think that rain is MUCH better and fun version of fog.

[muted rain]

you have to take 2 (cripple yourself) and pay more

for 1 shot instead of 2 with wallbang (rival)

The base ammo is shit as is rng

And the bolts (the ammo that it is good) its still 1 shot and needs a perk

See this is the same issue that with the shotbolt

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah the fact that steel balls didn't get the same damage/spread buff as all the shotguns in the 2.0 patch just left it in the dirt lol

[muted rain]

Special ammo on the harpoon and shi should have its own values

not "haha im penny shot but with buckshot spread"

Like dude on the big one is utter garbage

and in the smaller one, as explained, the same

[hot vigil]

I mean to be fair bomblance have always been a meme weapons.
Just not that good to replace your 3-slot slot for a melee stick

[muted rain]

You pay more than a rival hc, for a rival HC with one shot and no wallbang and slightly more ammo

and you need a 3 point perk

[muted rain]

Yeah of course but cmon lol

"haha penny shot but now im called steel balls"

mosin match moment

originality was peeking though the roof

[hot vigil]

And I think the biggest issue is that bomblance is a "double down" design issue.
It was made as a boss killer with its sticky bombs, but also... as boss killer with its big damage melee.
So it is just double investing into killing bosses.
Compared to Lemat C or Drilling, I get a rifle and a shotgun option.

[muted rain]

Yeah, it is a bad wanna be all rounder that couldnt move on with what Hunt released

More spam weapons, tools for avoiding melee or CQC

and you get double melee value

[hot vigil]

Give me a nitro shot I can slot into my bomblance, no ADS, just hipfire RNG lmao

[muted rain]

It is worse than flechette in that sense, if you stick someone with base ammo that person wasnt even aiming at you and the game was already won

not to mention you could tank it with bulwark for ages....

[hot vigil]

yeah

[muted rain]

and if you were against a shotgunner it was either trade or praying he aint got da perk

Honestly one of the "good" buffs they did

Same as melee damage

Brother jumping sideways could tank you a fully charged saber

this dude sacrifices a weapon slot

gets into melee range (already mega rare)

and gets punished

Thank god they buffed it

[hot vigil]

Again, I honestly think Bomblauncher is much better than the lance, it is 2-slot, so I can bring a real weapon with me and it can provide a vast amount of utility options.
Bosskilling, AoE zoning, shotgun, crossbow, burning bodies.
There are options, ofc not good options vs taking 2-slot shotgun or a bow, but still, its design is good and could shine with some adjustments :)

[muted rain]

Thats the reason i dont like the nitro... its just an rng noob tube, but if they remove the aperture, it would be broken af

it is just poorly designed

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah for sure

It was also more meant as a joke

[muted rain]

I agree, even the HC is better than the 3slot, obviously

you are crazy if you take that with fire tho twin

half steel bolts and half steel balls for me

[hot vigil]

Shame Crytek just made every melee weapon irrelevant due to "oops all shotguns meta" + IF you bring a melee weapon, why not bring the katana that can do screen-wide swing with 3-4m reach at no stamina cost :))))

[muted rain]

Ik ik but I wanted to bring that up cause it is one of those old weapons of hunt that cannot be anything but broken (nitro, avto etc)

[muted rain]

Yeah, katana is 2 iq and sadly is meta for melees

Remember someone was asking on feedback for melees to be tools

Imagine

not only shotgunners have that but katana

no thanks

im good

👍

[hot vigil]

I usually go harpoon/waxed frag.
And for the burning, again, I see it as options, if you don't wanna bring a flare pistol.
Which is how I like Hunt best, when people make thoughful choices about their loadouts.

[muted rain]

Yeah but who doesnt bring flares or flaregun nowdays

its just throwing

i understand if you pick another tool and want to have anything else to burn, that is logical

[hot vigil]

Sure, but again, if you brought a bomblauncher split with dragonsbreath and something else to bring a penny or spear, I wouldn't complain.

Lol just what you wrote lol

[muted rain]

Fun loadout to bring is any melee (besides katana cause its cringe), officer carabine (normal or HV) or lemat C, 2 derringers and something to burn

Sad thing is if you win you usually only bonk one

[hot vigil]

I usually run:
Officer C + LeMat (set on Shotgun mode)
or
LeMat C + Hand Crossbow, usually is would split Dragonsbreath/Poison, bc of event and lmao 4-shot boon, I just go full dragonsbreath.

[muted rain]

I run the same, as bringing officer c + officer is just boring af and unoriginal

on hand crossbow i only bring one special ammo

usually either fire or poison

now fire because we are on events

Sad thing is relatively hard to OHK with the handcrossbow since the hands get in the way and you hit limbs

[hot vigil]

Officer C + Nagant pistol vs. Officer C + LeMat is 3 extra bullets.
So I prefer the LeMat for the shotgun and then losing the 3 bullets.

[muted rain]

Lemat has shotgun

it wouldnt even be debatable

[hot vigil]

That is my point

[muted rain]

simply better

[hot vigil]

I lose 3 bullets but get shotgun

[muted rain]

yeah yeah ik

i run the same

xd

[hot vigil]

Hell yeah!

[muted rain]

and it has decent OHK, can HS with slugs etc

Honestly the carabine isnt that short on ammo either, one ammo box as consumable and you are set

[hot vigil]

As say to my friends: "In this meta, having a shitty shotgun is better than having no shotgun" lool

[muted rain]

providing you dont wiff your shots you can wipe the entire lobby

[muted rain]

It is true sadly

The art of medium combat distances is dying on hunt

[hot vigil]

God I wish they shaved 1-2m off the 2-slot shotgun kill range.

[muted rain]

you either get ohk by something or sniped

[hot vigil]

Also nerf deployable ammo boxes, but now I'm making wild demands lol

[muted rain]

Lemat is now like a rival HC shot so it aint that bad

Has saved me plenty of times

[muted rain]

Idk, I dont feel like its the consumable fault but the weapons

[hot vigil]

Same

[muted rain]

I remember when borheim match carried shit basically

and you were forced to run dual lemats or some shi

now you can run it solo no problem

[hot vigil]

Eeeh, it does enables the meta in a way that people can run long ammo + shotguns, which both are horrible in normal resupply rate.
Deployable Ammo Box provides 5 long and 5 shells in that regard.

[muted rain]

Ik dude, it also enables people to spray endlessly with avto etc

But remember, those issues are now worse than ever

(1) point is all it takes

[hot vigil]

So there is not the concern "how fucked am I if run out of my long range/cqc option".

[muted rain]

In other events it was like 3

Devs probably saw that nobody picked the box and buffed it

and well... now if you "exploit" that with a dumb weapon

it just breaks everything xd

you can perfectly run a single ammo box with sparks pistol + avto

spend one point and wipe lobbies

at least in that sense the avto user is "forced" to get somewhat close and can be killed with shotguns

With nitro is another history

xd

[hot vigil]

As far I recall, they didn't really buff the box, it was just when the did the MAJOR AMMO REWORK! that they had to re-think how the box worked and I recal they basically said something akin to "don't worry, if you think ammo is scarce now, the deployable ammo box will help with that" that is also the same patch they made it a rank 1 unlock.

[muted rain]

Buff the box in the sense that it no longer costs 3 points, but only 1

it does the same

[hot vigil]

Aaaah you talking about the pledge box?

[muted rain]

when gunrunner came by (the sea event or whatever)

yeah

[hot vigil]

I am talking about the item

[muted rain]

Ah okay, I was talking about the pledge box

[hot vigil]

This one

[muted rain]

The did this with the consumable because they couldnt balance properly weapons

We were in the fmj conversion duales meta

when you could snipe crouch spammed

[muted rain]

(my beloved)

[hot vigil]

These are the amounts of ammo you will receive when resupplying from an Ammo Box. We have increased these amounts quite a bit, so the Ammo Box offers more value when equipping them in your loadout. Rounded-up, Hunters receive about 2.5x the ammo from ammo crates you can find in the world.

[muted rain]

🥀

i still remember you, ammo packs

[hot vigil]

rip

Also I will die on the hill that if deployable ammo boxes provided the same as a normal/custom ammo box, they would still be good.

[muted rain]

this era was wild btw

you run into an open field with a trio and you had 3 dudes shooting dualis at 80m

and hs you

[muted rain]

They would be still good, but not as good, and that is the point I think. I dont think many people would like that, i wouldnt mind it honestly

I always bring one and put it but it is rarely detrimental unless i bring something yolo (avto, solo carabine etc)

[hot vigil]

This reduction means that you will get the same amount of extra ammo whether you are dual wielding or not. Previously, dual wield weapons had an excessive amount of extra ammo, inviting players to blast away indiscriminately. We want to ensure that like with other weapons, players are mindful of their bullets and need to consider resupply as part of their strategy...
Fast forward 2 years to a meta of people spamming their long ammo spitzer at walls with no care lmao.

[muted rain]

I still think the wallbang reduction is stupid and shouldnt have ever been done

[hot vigil]

Very tru

[muted rain]

If you allow a shotgun to get 2m close to you you deserve to get to the menu there

60% is just too much and just benefits "who can pump the 2nd faster shot"

[hot vigil]

Yeah, but people liking the obvious very strong thing have never been a good arguement for balance in my book.
Let people cry, they will adapt or perish lol

[muted rain]

And the nerf to compacts for some reason

because people were whining

[hot vigil]

Which is wild

[muted rain]

"oh no im getting headshoted by a winnie C with HV"

"boohooo but i have a mosin"

[hot vigil]

Once again, less ammo, less wall bang spam

[muted rain]

Dude you loose all the pen if you are away... which is already huge for compact

like why is this a thing

🚬

[hot vigil]

Dunno man

Cryteks way of balace is wild

[muted rain]

You deal like 25-60 damage far away

but now great dude

because you cant even pen wood

wood op

[hot vigil]

Also still think compact/medium should pen metal rails/fence, don't care if they deal 90% less damage.
Getting a headshot stolen bc I am not running the one ammo type/custom ammo fucking sucks.

[muted rain]

"Yeah guys sooo... dualis fmj are broken and centenial dumdum takes 2 iq..." so we gonna nerf how you jump or crouch (never done in any other game, terrible idea) and the other thing... make it scarce... that will work

[muted rain]

100%

I also think (brought me back) that shotbolt should be able to pen sheets

Idc at all, you have (1) shot

and chances are you are against spam shotguns

at least lemme have some pen

even fmj has reduction it is crazy

only spitzer hasnt, which is silly

because spitzer was meant as sniping ammo etc, but now it performs better as compound ammo

lmao

0 reduction

yikes

you can get 2 hand wallbanged

skill

💯

[hot vigil]

Spitzer was sucha mistake

[muted rain]

And before chains could stop you too

dont forget

xd

[muted rain]

Another thing that shouldnt even exist

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah even ate FMJ

[muted rain]

"i cant snipe properly"

gimme something easier

800 ms weapons

with no bullet drop

[hot vigil]

Can't wait for the first dum dum long ammo

[muted rain]

Such fun fighting lebels snipers

and mosin ones

peak hunt

[muted rain]

The thing is the actually tried if you think about it

The maynard is for noobs that cant use sparks sniper

so they gave it dumdum

and then realised it was broken medium range

and then "scarce"

"rare"

XDDDDDDD

[hot vigil]

Also why does Berthier, which uses the SAME bullets, have shorter barrel and less MV than Lebel, deal MORE damage than a Lebel!? lmao

[muted rain]

Easy explanation, berthier was also another dead weapon which they kept buffing ad infinitum until it became silly

[hot vigil]

Maynard and its additions upsets me on so many levels dude lmao

[muted rain]

Now it has the 2nd biggest ammo pool?

(long ammo)

You can pair it up with avto perfectly fine

with gunrunner

it was usual to see too

[hot vigil]

Biggest, 21 bullets, split and you get 10 bullets per deployable ammo box lmao

[muted rain]

for people that didnt want the 1 shot martini, get berthier

and avto

so that way they dont sacrifice long range

and have medium to short covered

totally broken

thank god

i always say the same

thank fucking god gunrunner was removed

DUDE

you think nah people will play this funny... quickswapping romeros

hah

this is hunt showdown, crytek

[hot vigil]

Again Berthier was fine it was fair long ammo.
Same with old Krag, literally Krag should just have a ammo reserve of 18-20 bullets and 124 damage and it would have been a strong long ammo option.

[muted rain]

the playerbase chooses willingly to avoid fun

[muted rain]

I didnt like krag when it released, nor do i like it now

Just another boring long ammo rifle that has no skill needed to use

When it could tap but had lesser ammo

people just bring uppercut / sparks pistol (that was "new")

and done

The silenced variant.... shouldnt have ever been a thing either

[hot vigil]

I can agree to degree, but at leasts I feel like 124 damage Krag was somewhat "fair long ammo".

[muted rain]

Yeah that was when it couldnt tap

but meh honestly

still a long ammo 2 shot in that sense as the rest

so the gimmick of shooting someone down could be done with uppercut (at the time)

or sparks pistol itself

so you really lost nothing

[hot vigil]

Yeah, still think my ideal hunt would balance around that all (non single shot) rifles should deal around 110 damage, no matter the bullet type.
Bc base 110 long damage at 80m gonna be much different than base 110 damage compact at 80m.

[muted rain]

@deft gust the thing with that (i completly agree btw, it helps new players a ton and should be in the game) is that some compounds werent actualized

So you could be running into places that literally didnt exist in the game anymore

[muted rain]

I agree

Only single shot rifles should deal huge damage / apply heavy bleed with dumdum

And when sway was a thing, it was even easier dude

because "haha i run long ammo i aim better"

meanwhile you were doing doodles

This is why some weapons are dead because that gimmick doesnt exist (winnie c, nagant 1895)

"haha im cheap"

literally 0 reason to not pick a 1873 or the bayonet (now without bayonet xd)

[hot vigil]

With the 2-slot rifles getting their sway reduced from 133 to 100, trying to long distance fight with pistols and their 128 feels so bad now.

[muted rain]

and we get down that road and we go, why not get a talon, for the price, an straight upgrade

[muted rain]

Ah, another gimmick that was killed

2 slot rifles had sway (more than stocked pistols, way more)

but now it doesnt matter

Centennial shorty

I cant recall seeing anyone using stocked pistols besides the uppercut that wasnt myself or my friends throwing on purpose

[hot vigil]

Oh that is why I think people bitching about the tool change and in-world spawn nerf was babies, dude your two meta weapons literally comes with free stabby on them!

You tell me you cannot bring a mosin bayonet, sticky bomb or anything else to deal with the boss?!

[muted rain]

all i see laying around tables and shit are berthiers spitzers, short centennials with various ammo

they overtuned certain drops too much i think, its cool doesnt bother me, but its weird i guess

[hot vigil]

SO many Berthie Spitzers lol

[muted rain]

I do believe that a gamemode like "casual" (lone survivor, quick match) on teams would be dope

[muted rain]

yeah anywhere

and there you have ocasionally romero slug talons and terminus on horses or fences

centenials, normal winnies

and nitro can still spawn (at least, on small towers)

im even seeing subsonic centenials (medium)

not taking that twin 🥀

if i wanted 200 ms and 2 tap i would have sticked with new army

[unborn dagger]

I literally just picked one up and extracted with it. Give me incendiary ammo ffs lol

[muted rain]

Brother, "crank rail car" would need a total map overhaul not to mention the mechanic itself

We cant have a 12 people on a server with an small map without rubberbanding running at 3 kmh and you expect some sort of fast traveling vehicle

Just not gonna happen bud

[inland forge]

I'd kill to be able to give my friends items. Slide them a bomb for later, my spare health kit, and so on.

[grave wraith]

im very surprised at the like ratio tbh

[echo valve]

Title: Swamp Grunts

Oh, that's a great idea for swamp zombies as a new enemy type. Not only could they have a poison attack on impact, but they could also throw mud at the player, which would slightly blind them and smear the mud across the screen. Looking forward to this new enemy!

You could call them a swamp lurker or a drowned one, for example.

[grave wraith]

what makes you think it's gonna be added

did they announce that?

[echo valve]

The idea is really good. It's a shame it's not mine, but I really liked it. I think the swamp location will sparkle with new colors and be truly dangerous.

[grave wraith]

oh ok your sentence just implied that it was definetely going to be an addition to the game "Looking forward to this new enemy!"

game ideas are far from guaranteed to be added

[muted rain]

(already a thing on a 2008 zombie game)

Id like to see something creative for once

so far we got bats and "haha mini spider"

@vivid moon MMR is not fucked in that sense, you just dont understand it

5 star with 3 match mmr is the lowest possible 5 star

You are confusing stars with brackets

It seems you are in 3-4, which is the same bracket

[echo valve]

Yes, Gaben's legendary game))) Well, you can be inspired by a masterpiece. Let me remind you that they didn't throw mud, so this is unique.

[muted rain]

Yeah, but when they punched you, you got that effect

Same as the rare Jimmy GIbbs Jr but with oil (and hence, black)

[tepid stag]

Hello Crytek Team! Thanks for doing a sale on Steam! Are there plans on doing any sales on consoles (Xbox/PS) as well? I do play Hunt on my Xbox, and would love a sale there as well. 🙂

[gray rose]

bring back the explosive bolts

[muted rain]

They did it for console, I believe, where explosive xbow was heavily meta

On PC you can see some premades cheesing this with long ammo but meh, wasnt that huge of an issue compared to console

So I can understand why it was deemed "scarce", honestly

I think Hunt should take the R6 route and balance things differently console-pc wise to avoid this kind of problems, but hey, that is also flawed

[gray rose]

bruh, console players are just a nuisance in all games. Consoles should be dedicated to single-player games.

[muted rain]

They are a huge chunk (if not the most popular market) for games

[gray rose]

First they messed up the interface, now this

[muted rain]

Yeah, doesnt change what Ive said

[muted rain]

In fact, if you remember properly, back to memory lane, the reduction of the damage inflicted on teammates by friendly fire from explosives was removed and done because of this specifically

So from that point explosives (and exp ammos) do full damage (even against teammates, as stated before, with no reduction, to "avoid" explosive spamming xbows)

[gray rose]

After so many hours in the game, the explosive crossbow was the only weapon that was fun to play with.

Now the game has lost all meaning

[shrewd hedge]

Got a source for this?

If I look in feedback here it’s only pc players asking for it removed

[muted rain]

last time I do this

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Update_1.7.2?utm_source=chatgpt.com

If you want info/sources, you can look them up for yourself

Obviously you wont find patch notes on feedback

Specially those, since they are from "long" ago

Obviously aimed at console public.

Just in case TLDR

[shrewd hedge]

That’s from a nerf in 2022?

[muted rain]

Bruh

If you can read, yes, it is from 2022

They been trying to balance that thing for console years

This isnt me making-stuff-up you literally have a developer note explaining why the did x y z

[shrewd hedge]

Looks like they balanced it in 2022 apparently

[muted rain]

Clearly not enough, since they selected this ammo as scarce for reasons (and they are not random)

[gray rose]

People are just too lazy to learn how to play.
It's easier to whine and say the guns are too powerful.
Even though a bullet kills with one headshot.

[muted rain]

No, it was a crutch for console users

With damage reduction, you could enter a compound shooting 3 explosive bolts and win

Clearly NOT something that the devs intended

hence copy and paste again

"several exploitive strategies"

[gray rose]

the same can be said about three auto, about three king

[muted rain]

No, you cant zone with a C&K

Read the devs letter

There was a solid reason for that playerbase

[muted rain]

Because some guns are too powerful and need adjustments. You just dont like getting your crutches removed because most likely you cant play without em

And every gun kills with a headshot, what are you even trying to say?

[gray rose]

now i'm playing with 2 bomb launchers, waiting for them to be cancelled too.

[muted rain]

(minus shotguns, per pellets etc)

[muted rain]

They also tweaked that in 2022 on the patches you refuse to read

[gray rose]

to the fact that any weapon kills in the head with one shot, which makes it initially stronger than the explosive crossbow

but again, not taking into account consoles apparently

[wanton wind]

is the game dying? me a 3 stars cant play a single match without a 6 stars on the lobby

[muted rain]

You literally dont make any sense

This change was AIMED towards console

The devs themselves said it

Do I need to copypaste the same screenshot 3 times?

[midnight perch]

pls read what he has told u my dude 🙏

[gray rose]

I KNOW IT'S A CONSOLE PROBLEM, I'M JUST WHINING

[muted rain]

That is clear

[muted rain]

.

[gray rose]

and I want my favorite weapon back

(

[muted rain]

That doesnt have anything to do with what is good balance wise for the games overall health

Many people want gunrunner back, that shouldnt mean it should be in

Same as the revolve bolts, lmao

[gray rose]

Well, at 6*, this weapon wasn't a problem at all. It's a shame to realize you're losing it, even without a noticeable advantage when playing with it on PC at 6 stars. Simply because somewhere out there, someone you don't even know about, is having problems with it.

ban traps because it's inconvenient for console players to press the jump button, lol

[muted rain]

On 6* pc wasnt a problem

I dont know why would you bring PC into it if we already cleared (4th time by now?) that it was a change focused on consoles

What its so complex about it

[gray rose]

because this weapon is available on both PC and console) haha

and we suffer from things that shouldn't concern us

Would it really be such a problem to add this change only to the console version?

[muted rain]

Yes, you cant read

[muted rain]

.

[muted rain]

.

[wanton wind]

man....

[unborn sandal]

Goddamn

[remote pasture]

@frail moat You would be better off asking Crytek support on the HuntShowdown. com website. Support is in the bottom right corner. They usually get back to people within a couple of days. I don't think asking here will get you any help.

[inland forge]

console players robbing well to do pc players, I see.

[acoustic iron]

@terse acorn guns do not need stat buffs like that it would be broken and annoying a alternative idea would be the ability to combine wepon variants considering most wepon variants are just additional parts but only for certain variants and guns because some combos would just be broken

[hot vigil]

Issue with that system is the amount of skins that doesn't have models for all variants types

[acoustic iron]

Why do skins matter?

[hot vigil]

Well, people like to play with their skins.
So if you make a modular system for scopes and whatnot, then those skins needs models for those attachments.

[acoustic iron]

Skins aren't necessary at all

[hot vigil]

Why not?

[acoustic iron]

Because it doesn't effect gameplay in anyway at all

[hot vigil]

No, but you want a system where you wanna modify all sorts of variants on the same gun right?

[acoustic iron]

Yes and if you do skins will not play a part

Because skins are unnecessary

[hot vigil]

Yes, but people like playing with their skins

[acoustic iron]

Good for them i guess

My point still stands that skins do not matter

[hot vigil]

Again, that is a consideration, making a system that exclude skins is bad for Crytek's business

[acoustic iron]

Good they need to slow down on the skins anyways

[hot vigil]

Bc "why buy skins when I cannot use them in the game?"

Sorry, but that is just being unrealistic.

[acoustic iron]

Thinking about the corpo rather than the players is crazy work btw

[hot vigil]

I am not thinking aboout corpo, I am just being realistic about what crytek would do.

And also, don't think it is anti-consumer to consider the monetary investment people have in this game.
Again, people buy skins bc they wanna use them, so make a whole system that exclude them AND can have gameplay advantages is just awful.

[acoustic iron]

One small little thing you are forgetting the experimental gun addition has no skins and probably wont get any

[hot vigil]

We talking about the new scarce weapons or your idea?

[acoustic iron]

Yes sorry I meant scarce

[hot vigil]

Who knows, they could make a system that applied your skins to guns when you open the boxs. Other games have that.

[acoustic iron]

But still wepon skins dont matter and crytek knows this because if they though they really mattered the scarce guns would probably already have skins

[hot vigil]

Think that is a leap in logic, scarce weapons is as much here to test new weapons.
We also see it with the Maynard Silenced, still doesn't have a skin, most likely due to it being quite controversial.

[acoustic iron]

Anyways with new features skins aren't necessary especially if it would most likely be limited time like my idea

[hot vigil]

Again, not sure if people will be willing to play most of an event without skins to engage with a new mechanic.
Wildland/Homestead works bc they are quite optional to opt in with.
But if every weapon in the game had to be skin-less to engage with the game, I think people would hate it.

[acoustic iron]

I don't think most people would care imo

As long as we get cool new features the last thing most people will be thinking about is skins

[muted rain]

I understand what you want to say, but @hot vigil is right in that sense

Is not for the liking of the skin particulary on your case

Like it or not, skins are what are sustaining the game

without skins, the live service just goes 〽️

[acoustic iron]

It would just be for event and if they really want to go the extra mile crytec could implement skins into the feature but I doubt they would because that would be alot of work

[hot vigil]

And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind a perfect update where crytek adds such system AND makes sure it works with all skins in the game.
That would be the best outcome.
But realistically and sadly skins are the lifeblood of Hunt and such the games needs to be designed around it.
That is also why we cannot just remove Dolch, Auto4/5 or Avto, even a lot of people don't want that in the game.

[acoustic iron]

It's so sad that games you have to buy can't thrive anymore without in-game purchases

[hot vigil]

Okay idea time:
They make it kinda like the scarce weapons, so say for this event, we make you can modify, let us say, Springfield, Terminus and Krag.
But also in the battlepass release skins for those weapons and all variants, which would work with this new system.
Ofc that still hinges that people like the BP skins, but still. Would synergies with how the BP works now where we get multiple skins for the same gun.

[muted rain]

yup

[muted rain]

people dont like their crutches removed man see how many dislikes I farmed just because I think the FMJ dolch or the new event centennial shouldnt be in the game lmao

8 dislikes not a single one explained anything

"i cant play without this thing that is blatantly OP"

[hot vigil]

I really hope the wildlands goes back into wilds after the event.
At most it should have been the Infantry version of the Cenny.
Not just woops basically a Krag but better!

[muted rain]

A weapon that can tap you if you are missing a bar

Has access to FMJ and dumdum (lmao), it is a swift (or rapid whatever you guys wanna call it) variant

Good levering

Nearly always 2 taps

Fast muzzle

[hot vigil]

Eyup

[muted rain]

Good ammo pool

Like lol

It isnt even original

At least the saw launcher was something

idk

but "haha centennial but better"

"romero with 2 cannons"

content

👍

[hot vigil]

Yeah, again, I could live if it was like Infantry, so slightly better drop range and recoil, more ammo in the mag, but slower levering.

Cannot wait for the scarce variant of the full lenght Vetterli, which deals 140 damage and have a MV of 510m/s 🫠

[muted rain]

B-but it is content... because it is new!!

[hot vigil]

Some real content would be a major balance patch to fix this nightmare of imbalance

[muted rain]

Facts

[hot vigil]

Love the fact that the only reason that the Mosin have ever got a nerf was bc:
1: It was to the Obrez and not the 3-slot version.
2: It was nerfed to make space for another Mosin, the Obrez Match!
Like come on Crytek! 😭😭😭

[muted rain]

Dont worry, soon more mosin skins

that solves things

[hot vigil]

:")

[muted rain]

idk what solves actually but it must surely be something

Yes crytek, we surely need the 43th mosin skin on this event as a reward

very original very needed

[muted rain]

We have seen how some cards are actually way more powerful and used than anothers

If we allowed trading, we would all be seeing the same ones

I dont know about you but I dont want to play games where everyone has a panic button (heal teammates and themselves instantly and free of effects) or has 2 seconds out of thin air

[grave wraith]

7, actually

1 is the bot

[acoustic iron]

Also 19 up votes is pretty solid around here

[muted rain]

true true but the point was the ppl who voted no couldnt even state why

[muted rain]

Cause some "feedback" or game ideas are either batshit crazy (in the sense that they need massive amounts of dev work that simply isnt gonna happen) or unbalanced stuff

Then you have the usual "add this rifle that looks and could potentially perform as the same guns we already have"

and sometimes actual good QoL

[acoustic iron]

Im constantly asking for feedback and most do not care it's just how it is

[muted rain]

Fr ik twin

[grave wraith]

The dreaded old gun review YouTube video long ammo rifle recommendation

[muted rain]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-17838646818300389894

"look guys this rifle was around the era... long ammo and it does 130 damage"

[acoustic iron]

Don't get me wrong I don't dislike the videos it just gets annoying after the 20th time

[muted rain]

Yeah, it is what it is

[grave wraith]

And when they're all mosin skins

[acoustic iron]

Everyone loves the Russian shit stick

[muted rain]

buff quad derringer

🗣️

[grave wraith]

Derringer would be buffed if ammo availability was nerfed

[acoustic iron]

@left trout ever played rocket league that is a lovely example of why skin trading is awful for games because that game became more about trading skins and making your acount more expensive than actually playing the game and I'd rather not have that happen for hunt

[left trout]

Ah yes so basically like cs2 where skins rule the game

[acoustic iron]

Yep pretty much

It happens to all games that have skin trading its inevitable

[gloomy wind]

can someone report this bug to crytek?\

[grave wraith]

woah wtf

you can report it yourself 👍 https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/520548481782382602 @gloomy wind

[zinc turret]

@keen bolt Would you happen to be playing on a VPN?

[keen bolt]

Nope

never used that thing

[gray rose]

dude I can't imagine how anyone can communicate with you
Stop being so inflexible in communication lol, it's like you're a bot
Follow the instructions Follow the instructions beep beep

[subtle root]

@crystal cloud hunt is a team game. not a solo game. there is the solo option, but the reason containers, for example, are lootable more than once is because its a team game. one of the big incentives for playing in a team is the ability to bring back more bounty. that should not be removed

[acoustic iron]

@crystal cloud absolutely awful idea you have to be rage baiting

[grave wraith]

just disliking wasnt enough huh

[subtle root]

it is a pretty horrendous idea

[acoustic iron]

It's that bad

[subtle root]

to the degree that it is possibly ragebaiting

[crystal plume]

Keep it respectful guys

[grave wraith]

damn not the ratio 😭

[subtle root]

like with that you end up with you being incentivized to play as a solo over a team because you now get to revive yourself and can bring back just as much bounty

[grave wraith]

solos would get double the dark sight seconds that teams have actually

because of magpie

[subtle root]

thats true yeah

[grave wraith]

which is balanced around teams getting 2 tokens

[subtle root]

so you just actually change the game to favor solos over teams entirely

[acoustic iron]

Ikr solo is already decently strong there doesn't need to be more bonuses for them

[subtle root]

and they get matchmaking preference too

so the six stars soloing to get easy lobbies get even more annoying

[acoustic iron]

Yep game is already dominated by solos no need to make it worse

[subtle root]

yeah.

[zinc turret]

as a habitual solo I agree

[subtle root]

i did want to seek advice on my suggestion about the 1887 terminus bear hunter? what should i change to make it a better suggestion, given the ratio isnt good

[grave wraith]

is it really a discussion if everyone here is just agreeing with each other

[acoustic iron]

Well as it stands it would just be a broken nitro so honestly i dont think it'll work because if you nerf it it'll just be the same as normal slugs

[subtle root]

it would not have the option to equip dumdum

[acoustic iron]

Yeah but no appature and more ammo will put nitro out of the game completely

[subtle root]

and it would not be nearly as damaging as the nitro, maybe depending on other factors having a very, very close range one shot kill capability, but with the standard hipfire accuracy of the terminus so really, really innacurate

[subtle root]

good point.

[acoustic iron]

So just terminus slugs lol

[subtle root]

terminus slugs doesnt have much damage range

this would be more akin to a slugs-long ammo hybrid in a way

[acoustic iron]

It can one shot out to around 14 meters if I remember right

[subtle root]

lemme go check

[grave wraith]

@zinc turret #feedback message what if someone gets a lag spike?

how could that be discerned from a brief lag switch?

[subtle root]

so maybe no one shot capability obv besides headshot, but dramatically better damage range and accuracy compared to slugs?

[zinc turret]

subject to pattern detection and/or human oversight

[acoustic iron]

Could work but might be a bit too niche imo

[subtle root]

shooting range seems to not even be close to upper torso 1sk capability at 14

[subtle root]

the nitro is also pretty niche

[acoustic iron]

Very true

[subtle root]

the initial intention was having one of those very expensive, very niche weapons like the avtomat or nitro that uses levering

[zinc turret]

I'd hate to see even more 1-shot guns in the game

[subtle root]

ive revised it, no one shots besides head ofc

this supposed to be a more 'fun' gun like the avto or elephant as compared to a 'practical' gun

[acoustic iron]

Like don't get me wrong I don't hate the idea but im not sure if it'll work unless the release it as a scarce wepon first because I can easily see it being really weak or really strong super easy

[acoustic iron]

Im not opposed to it but they need decent trade offs because at the end of the day all guns can one shot for the most part to the head so its not too crazy to extend that to the body for a cost

[subtle root]

he has a good point though.

[zinc turret]

I mean 1-shot when it comes to body shots, of course. Aren't most (all?) guns 1-shot to the head?

[subtle root]

due to the size of the cartridge it would have high penetration capability, combine that with levering, even levering that is even less controllable than the terminus, and youve got yourself a really hard to balance gun

because it also needs to distinguish itself from terminus slugs

and that takes a lot of the ways you could balance a gun like this out if you are doing a 1 torso shot kill capability

[acoustic iron]

Yes all guns are one shot to the head besides shot guns because no headshot multiplyer unless using slugs

[acoustic iron]

I think it could possibly one shot around 10 to 20 meters but it has a extremely slow cycle time because of the large heavy cartridge and also a pretty slow reload for the same reason

[subtle root]

i think its also a good idea to have a deafening effect similar to the nitro as well as MASSIVE muzzle flash, recoil and smoke. the youtuve videos showcasing it demonstrate that this thing has a crazy muzzle fireball and smoke.

and that just generally makes sense considering the cartridge's size overall

[subtle root]

the recoil part is important to balance the levering

[acoustic iron]

Yeah if that is also applied I think it'll honestly be decently balanced and a solid choice kind like a romero alamo with slugs but better

[subtle root]

i think making the gun generally disorienting to fire overall would go a long way in the balancing department and also make it more fun to use, given it would just feel powerful overall. remember the stated intention for another 'fun but impractical' type gun so that would reinforce that

another important balancing aspect would be to not let it use dumdum ammo

we all know how crazy the dumdum ammo is on the elephant rifle and letting the bear hunter equip it would, besides just kinda invalidating the elephant rifle overall, be probably exceptionally unbalanced

maybe let it use fmj ammo in place of dumdum

or incendiary

'inferno ammo'

[acoustic iron]

I think fmj or hv or even Spitzer might be interesting

[subtle root]

spitzer wouldnt work given its a tube magazine and also black powder

i think hv as well would make it sort of unbalanced

def think fmj or some sort of turbo incendiary ammo would be a good bet

[acoustic iron]

Ngl even though it probably would be broken i just want to see more guns with hv and Spitzer

[acoustic iron]

Maybe explosive considering its black powder

[subtle root]

i was thinking explo and one other ammo type

explo would be some sort of powerful, but VERY slow muzzle velocity deal

[acoustic iron]

Maybe a completely unique ammo type of some sort

Maybe a soft point bullet that slightly reduces pvp damage but increases pve damage

About all i can think of

Honestly i think that might be a good ammo type for other guns imma suggest it

[subtle root]

@acoustic iron "phosphorus" ammo that is like long ammo incendiary as far as fire goes, but has a high velocity like muzzle flash, with a very bright, almost light flare-like effect on hit

[acoustic iron]

Interesting it might work or be extremely broken im not sure

[subtle root]

it wouldnt be anywhere close to an actual flash bomb ofc, just applies a visual distortion similar to you getting somewhat close to a flare (not right on top, kinda just barely within the effect)

[acoustic iron]

Oh ok then that should be fine

[gray rose]

Keep it respectful guys

[grave wraith]

Maybe an incendiary ammo with splash

#game-ideas message @acoustic iron poison ammo

Just gotta revert the silly change they made with it and immolators

[acoustic iron]

Well it would be close to poison but still have some pen and it could 1 shot hives

[grave wraith]

Anything below base medium ammo pen is almost nothing, would only matter compared to poison on long ammo

And if you're shooting a hive you should be shooting its head anyway

[hot vigil]

so... better poison ammo?

[acoustic iron]

Tru I you got a point

[acoustic iron]

But no annoying poison effect

[grave wraith]

Seeing as hunt perpetually have 4 shot boons, pretty much seems so

[hot vigil]

Yeah that was my thought too.
Poison is already struggling to be relevant, even spicy bullets, especially after the Immolator change, is kinda the "better poison/anti AI ammo".

[acoustic iron]

Also i just thought of something the soft point ammo can go on guns that dont have poison ammo

[hot vigil]

Silenced Nagant fighting for its life 😭

[acoustic iron]

Well it's cryteks fault for ruining poison ammo unfortunately

[hot vigil]

Yes, but still, no need to further that.

[muted rain]

Ammo is not what cripples the quad

Its the same as other tools, it simply got overshadowed

Now you have the penny shot, leaving the quad derringer as a mid close headshot popper, and its versatility is also overshadowed. Pennyshot can tap inmolators, help you kill bears + spear/melees without losing hp etc. Meanwhile the quad is barely usable versus AI. So you have a pocket shotgun that can help you even killing bosses (scrappy can be cycled using just this tool) versus a tool that is barely usable in pvp and pve. It is simply overshadowed (if you want to see it like that, like what has happened to tomahawk since release to a lesser extent: there are other things that are simply better).

But the bullet drop is way too much... 🥀

[muted rain]

Because you repeatedly told things that were already stated and parroted them again

It is all in the chat in case you dont believe me

They told you that too

[muted rain]

.

[gray rose]

man I believe you,

[muted rain]

No need to, it is in the chat

Already cited

[gray rose]

man I believe you

[muted rain]

So you would believe me when I tell you, you were whining (you said it yourself) about a crutch you cant play without that has been livetested and proven as something exploititive and hence partially removed?

Where do you see the problem?

You can keep repeating the same message if you want to look like an NPC from Skyrim but im no sure if that would suit you

specially taking into consideration you are advocating for the return of this crutch that inflicts problems in the console chunk of the playerbase

Basically an skill issue: "i cant play on console without shooting at my feet with explosives and specting to deal 40 hp to me and 150 to others, but that is because it is the others that are too lazy to understand the game"

@unborn briar MMR is fine in that screenshot, you just encountered a somewhat hidden feature of how Hunt matches you into games. You might not have the same elo as these people, but you (more specifically, your team) are in the same bracket that the other team

Seek "match MMR", both are 3*

On some hours on some servers you can have huge mismatches because of lower playerbase, but this is not the case

3* vs 3*

It can be or sound confusing, ik, but it is how it works

In your scenario, you are 3* high and so is your partner (sadly now you cant see the numbers), and the 5* is probably a 3* match mmr guy and the 4* is low or medium, so both parties get matched onto 3* match mmr, same as them. This is not done out of RNG or magic, its a mathematical cleavage

You must not confuse stars with brackets: for example, two guys can be 5 stars, but one could have 3 match mmr (as in your example, the lowest elo for 5 stars) and the other could have 4.5 (highest possible for 5 stars), and they wont see each other in matches, since they belong to different brackets.

[unborn briar]

I'm playing since 2018 and i know how the mmr worked then and now this mmr system is shit

[carmine needle]

It's likely the win/lose streak that is causing it

It seems to take that into effect more now than before

[muted rain]

So how you deduce from your screenshot that the MMR is broken?

You have two 3* match mmr teams fighting each other

Where is the "broken" thing?

[carmine needle]

My understanding is they are tweaking with it on the backend

But that's what causes a 5/4* to end up in a 3*

[muted rain]

Me too, and that is how brackets worked too

[unborn briar]

You can extract with a bounty without fight and your mmr i going up

[muted rain]

Yes, they changed that "recently" and made it more obscure, so nobody knows their exact number, but the system doesnt revolve (to my understanding) entirely on KDA

Before you could bump up if you were low and killed a higher elo player, for example

[spiral sluice]

Whats the Point of Showing KDA at this point if you cant cheak MMR or see Actual numbers so you can make improvements?

[muted rain]

Good question

Nobody knows but crytek

KDA does nothing in this game btw

It is not a pairing tool, neither does anything besides circlejerking

Remove it

[spiral sluice]

wrong, it lets you know if someone is legit lower MMR but in the same star bracket

[gray rose]

I'm already just joking around with you, and you're seriously criticizing me for every word I say. Go get some fresh air, please.

[unborn briar]

But iss fucking stupid. Full server fight at the other bounty you have some games without fights, just extarcting and you ending oposite 5 stars teams

[spiral sluice]

think we all seen low KDA players who are in 6 star and clearly have no idea whats going on

[muted rain]

Duh, in the grand scheme of things, If I see a 3kd player and they cant hit a shot, its obvious they were kd farmers

[spiral sluice]

tru

[muted rain]

And the reversal is true as well

so what is the point

[unborn briar]

@muted rain Man give your steam link

[spiral sluice]

for me, if someone is above 3kd, we know they are weighting or cheating

and below 1.3 they still havent figured out game

[muted rain]

Not defending it, it is just how it works

[spiral sluice]

just a quick assesment tool

but out side of that its a circle jerk, i agree

[carmine needle]

Nothing wrong with having an issue with the current way they're doing brackets. Helps them to know people don't like it and that it needs changing

[muted rain]

This is how brackets always worked. Here is an screenshot of me in 2021-2022 I believe

THis does not mean im good

In fact, if you check match mmr, im on 4.5 alone

The lowest possible 6*

This is was tweaked too when match MMR changed

So if I play solo vs trios, I play against 4 high or 5 low stars

That doesnt not mean "oh mmr is broken"

It is literally math you could do back in the time

the game itself tells you; hey you are gonna be in matches of 4.5 MMR

Now your case is as if you were a trio I wiped that were 4-5 stars and where saying "OH BUT WHY THERE IS A 6* IN MY GAME BROKEN MMR"

[unborn briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/635569718312566814/1424864112927838248/clip_01K6XMHT4DM1SZ4P44PVX02MTH-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[muted rain]

harry go

[novel jetty]

Dou 3* can't equal a 4* and a 5*

[muted rain]

Yes it can, stars arent the same as brackets

It depends on how high or low these stars are

You cant be a 2018 player and not know this, i find this hard to believe

[novel jetty]

Even when the 3* are the highest possible can't equal a lowest 4* and a lowset 5*

[novel jetty]

Back then, the MMR worked right

[muted rain]

Highest 3*s are in the same bracket as lowest 4 my guy...

You get paired against them, because you are in the same bracket

there is little to discuss

is plain math

[muted rain]

You are playing on a team

[novel jetty]

When it is duo 4* and duo 3* i understand

[muted rain]

do you know there are modifiers

right...?

[novel jetty]

Yes

[muted rain]

So????

XD

[novel jetty]

But the MMR amount(not the stars) can't be close for duo 3* and a 4* and 5*

[muted rain]

Do you realize your own picture contradicts what you are saying

[carmine needle]

The team mmr that is shown includes the modifiers. That's why it shows at 3*

[muted rain]

and the game is telling you so

You are telling me that a guy with 2503 elo and a guy with 2504 arent close

because they have different stars

[muted rain]

Compare both

You have no idea (besides mathing it down yourself by pure logic) where the other guy is placed, and since we know he is placed low, he is factually close to the other guy

(because you did show match mmr)

[muted rain]

You can say whatever you wanna say, explosive xbow was a crutch on console and deemed as such by the majority of players of the platforms, and hence, heavily nerfed in 2022, and later on, put on the "scarce" list. That is factual information, whether you like it or not, idc.

[gray rose]

If you're the level 205 Steam account, then I don't even see the point in talking anymore. You can't convince such a no-life guy, I'm sorry.

[muted rain]

What are you even saying

[gray rose]

bb poor guy

[muted rain]

Does that seem like level 205

And steam level means nothing btw

You farm badges and earn level

It has nothing to with time

Just how lost are you man xd

Elaborate please

Id like to know how you correlate steam level into all of this

Because it (literally) has nothing to do (in fact, you can seek the cheapest cards, invest 30 euros and possibly have more level than me despite my time on steam). So.... what? I cant understand you, dude.

[muted rain]

calls me poor

ironically to be high level steam account you need money (to farm cards and badges)

Decide man im the level 200 or not

How can you be bad at witch-hunting itself its pretty surreal tbh

You fight against an strawman and you still lose lol

[unborn dagger]

@keen bolt I've been talking about this and Crytek has done absolutely nothing to fix it.

[acoustic iron]

He's obviously just a troll ignore him

The mods really need to start handling these trolls right away it seems to be a common issue lately

[cyan sandal]

Im a loyal and old coustomer of Hunt since 2020 , i have a complain about your new changes like removing explosive bolt of crossbow, there wasn't any reasonable logic behind your desicion (no offense) but you really dissapointed me to be honest.
I was playing with crossbow explosive since the begining none stop and you just took the joy of this game from me. Specially because im a veteran soldier and my right arm got hurt , i can play only with afew weapons (have a slow reflex) so im asking you to bring back explosive bolt please.
Your sincerely Ata Niyazi

[grave wraith]

They were not removed. You need to find them in a match, not purchaseable

[unborn sandal]

@acoustic iron the mako has a claw variant, the centennial a trauma variant, and the Winfield infantry a bayonet so like… not sure what else you want. We have plenty of lever action melees

[acoustic iron]

Not enough

[unborn sandal]

Oh yeah also the vandal striker

[acoustic iron]

Personally I think it would be best for terminus handcannon and the Centennial shorty and the frontier 73c

But having guns with multiple melee types could also be good

[muted rain]

Yeah ik xd

ty anyways

Id love a romero HC mace tbh

oooor maybe a tool that you can throw and is blunt, instead of spear spear spear

[grave wraith]

If you know then you knew you were responding in exactly the way they wanted you to?

[muted rain]

I can have fun with trolls, dont worry about it

[acoustic iron]

See i personally run heavy knife every game for the most part and would love if morw guns had stronger blunt meeles to deal with immolators and mobs without having to swap

[acoustic iron]

Np

[muted rain]

Some blunt melees should also destroy concertina

[unborn sandal]

Bring a cent trauma

[muted rain]

Traumas, hammer

cmon

[grave wraith]

I'll take your word for it

[unborn sandal]

They used to be able to

Crytek purposely made them not able to

[muted rain]

Ik, removed feature

since pre 1896

[acoustic iron]

Don't get me wrong I dont hate the cent trauma but I want more variety and options

[muted rain]

🥀

[muted rain]

Its funny because we have 2 skins for the hammer (both event exclusive if i remember correctly, one when it came out and the other is a reskinned golden shi) and now we get the twitch drop soon

which is arguably the best looking one

a weapon nobody uses

it is already enough having dedicating a weapon to a melee just to not be able to punch concertina

idk why they made that change tbh

[acoustic iron]

I don't mind the hammer if I get berserker but I usually don't so i hardly use it

[muted rain]

Yeah we have the common archetypes, the best in slot (katana), slow effective stamina but huge damage (axe, hammer), quick and efficient (saber, bat) and the child nobody wants (machete)

[acoustic iron]

The ability to one bonk meatheads and 2 bonk bosses will never not be funny

[muted rain]

You can even rally and say "make machete great again" cause it was never great

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