feedback-discussion

[muted rain]

Are you familiar with the term "mansplaining"

you are doing it right now

besides the fact im a male

[distant heron]

??? are you a crazy person

[acoustic iron]

Fmj just give up on him i dont think he'll ever get it lol

[distant heron]

You are repeatedly misunderstanding what I'm saying to you

[muted rain]

No, you are stating obvious things

Bros a lost cause

How are you native and cant understand anything everyone is telling you about 😭

[distant heron]

Native? What the fuck

Getting racist up in here?

[muted rain]

You arent able to chose whether your (random) duo will be friends or not

Bro, native as an english speaker

??????

What has races (1800 concept btw) has to do with it

tf

you are tweaking

[acoustic iron]

Just got back and read really slow and you might understand thats about the only help I can offer you at this point lol

[distant heron]

No, you really are just misunderstanding, really really badly, and doubling down, for some reason.

Do you recognize the fact that looking for a random third as a premade duo is a recent addition to the game? Because otherwise you're not making any sense, and getting racist about it while you're at it

[acoustic iron]

Projecting lol

[muted rain]

You couldnt search for a random trio, and if you solo (for duos or trios) they were always random

OBVIOUSLY now duos that seek a 3rd will be friends

You dont need 3 college careers for this man

[distant heron]

...Yes you could search for a random trio, I have played random trios for years

[muted rain]

Welcome to the club man

Have a coffee

How baffling to call someone else racist as if I was refering to native american races as if it were just "one"

It means you are native in the tongue you are speaking yet you understand nothing

which is, in fact, the case

[distant heron]

I never brought up native americans. You did that. And you are continuing to insult me after making your racist remark.

[muted rain]

I didnt do that

You dont know how to read

Lets leave it there

[acoustic iron]

That never happened lol

[distant heron]

He literally just used the term.

[muted rain]

Bros like snoop dog right now

high as a kite

only explanation

[acoustic iron]

I seriously think you just need to read way slower
Because I think thats why all this is happening

[muted rain]

https://tenor.com/view/pshh-you-serious-what-yeah-gif-18831166

Do you even... read... bro...

take it slow...

read again...

[distant heron]

I take it you are both just trolling me at this point

[muted rain]

Yes we are secretly the duo that trolled you and now we are doing it again

Obviously is that

[grave wraith]

You guys should focus more on debating the game and less on attacking each other :) @acoustic iron @muted rain @distant heron

[muted rain]

Dude, just quit the pot

fr

[acoustic iron]

No im seriously concerned you might be dyslexic brother

[muted rain]

No way because im dyslexic

and this shi doesnt happen

Xd

im using basic stuff on my 5th language and still this dude cant read on his 1st

[acoustic iron]

Oh seriously lol

[muted rain]

fr

[acoustic iron]

Damn thats crazy

[distant heron]

You aren't going to troll me into silence, sorry.

So to explain my point as simply as possible, for anyone who is actually willing to engage in a discusson of the game:

[muted rain]

How entitled are you, lol

[acoustic iron]

We aren't trolling you, you are trolling yourself my guy

[muted rain]

surreal

[grave wraith]

Thoughts on shotguns anyone?

[distant heron]

Previously, when you searched for a random trio, you would be grouped with two other random players. They could not get into a group and search for a random third to join them, because that was not an option available in the game.

[muted rain]

Normal shotguns are okay, spam shotguns are zzzz

[acoustic iron]

Turn off brain gun

[muted rain]

We got it the first time but you havent read again as you were told

[distant heron]

A recent update changed it so that you can now, as a duo of two premade players, search for a random third.

[grave wraith]

I agree, sadly I think specter is in that category now too

Specter and crown are the problem shotguns imo

[muted rain]

Yes, used to be the clanky shotgun with the reload bug and now its the meta cheap option

[inland forge]

FMJ would be nice. Like it's such a shit meme gun. I use nagant precision entirely because it IS shit and feels good to dominate people with it. Gun needs a buff.

[acoustic iron]

The alamo took its place

[muted rain]

Fr, FMJ wouldnt hurt

[acoustic iron]

Yeah i guess it would be fine if personally wouldn't use it ever though

[muted rain]

specially considering the ammo pool synergies which seems what the population is worried about

[distant heron]

They should offer an option to disable being grouped with a premade group. This is as simple as adding at tick box that says "Be grouped with a duo" you can uncheck.

[muted rain]

(not gonna happen) (several people told you like 3 times)

(not a single game has this option)

[grave wraith]

Queue times would suffer though

[muted rain]

Already explained to him

[distant heron]

Queue times were fine before this change was made.

So I don't think it would change much

[muted rain]

Population is low already

[grave wraith]

Maybe in your region

[inland forge]

Oh so 90% of the game.

[muted rain]

Do you understand that a huge influx of duo players just swapped to trios because of the random addition

[distant heron]

....How is being grouped with a premade duo 90% of the game???

[acoustic iron]

Because hardly anyone plays solo now

[muted rain]

Do you understand that they wont waste resources because you were "trolled" by two randoms

[inland forge]

Bro 90% of the people playing are friends, playing through discord or solos.

[grave wraith]

Queues would be worse than before the change, because they would be split into two player groups.

[muted rain]

Told him already, he can look for a group here

Instead he calls others racist because yikes

its cool I guess

[distant heron]

Because you made a racist remark, yes.

[muted rain]

Racist remark, please ping it

Ping the message

[distant heron]

This.

[muted rain]

Do you know what that means

[acoustic iron]

[muted rain]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

is education that bad over there (no offense)

you cannot be serious dude

[distant heron]

Another racist remark...

[acoustic iron]

Yeah brother you need to go back to 1st grade and learn to read lol

[grave wraith]

guys guys guys shotguns ammarite

Clown and cringe right

[muted rain]

Ragebaiting at this point nah ill just refuse 2/10 try

[acoustic iron]

No we already talked about that get another diversion

[grave wraith]

Quartermaster!

Quartermaster OP

[acoustic iron]

Is aight

[muted rain]

Im still happy they removed gunrunner

no more avtos with martini

[distant heron]

You are making assumptions about where I'm from, and my capability to speak the english language, based on my perceived inability to make my point from your perspective.

[muted rain]

and other shi that shouldnt ever been

[distant heron]

Yeah, that's racist.

[grave wraith]

I feel like gunrunner just brought the issues with quartermaster into light.

[muted rain]

Im not making any assumption, you have "US EAST" therefore, you are from a suitable region

[acoustic iron]

Keep being offended for no reason we don't care.

[muted rain]

If you speak spanish, italian, french, portuguese or some other language from nearby, we can do that

[acoustic iron]

What issues?

[muted rain]

Native speaker means you literally were educated english as your first tongue (your mother tongue), nothing else

1/10 ragebait because its repetitive

you are losing points

[distant heron]

To address this: No? At least not in my experience, it's only somewhat occasionally that when I seek a random trio that I get grouped with two people that already know eachother.

[muted rain]

And even (hypotetically) if that wasnt true, it still doesnt change the fact you cannot read

[distant heron]

Most of the time I get two complete randoms like myself.

[muted rain]

"Your best friend" discovers servers, timezones, and brackets

Lets go

progess!!!!

[acoustic iron]

Ngl you might want to change your username it really doesn't suit you

[muted rain]

xd

[grave wraith]

Lack of tradeoffs in loadouts and lack of counterplay and strategic options against certain Loadout archetypes.

Quartermaster removes the tradeoff factor of bringing certain weapons in loadouts and makes people perform perfectly at every range and every situation, so there is less counterplay. Without quartermaster, someone with a shotgun for example could be dealt with strategically by playing around the weaknesses of their Loadout. That can't happen if they have a mosin in their other pocket

[muted rain]

Yeah, as in you see a sparks you know the guy will have at least the stopping power of a lemat or some double action (or fanning xd)

[unborn dagger]

That's... not being a racist...

[muted rain]

But not an auto 4

[acoustic iron]

Yeah you do make a solid point but how would you balance it because completely removing it seems a bit lazy

[distant heron]

They're calling the location of my native birth into question because they think I do not have full command of the english language. Yeah, that is a racist remark

[muted rain]

The problem are the additions they are giving into the game, so either balance it right or remove it

[grave wraith]

Either give it some sort of tradeoff when bringing a medium and large, or make it a scarce trait

[empty oasis]

Move along with this argument

[muted rain]

I didnt do that

[grave wraith]

Thanks heathen <3

[acoustic iron]

Yeah I could see that working i think a possible trade is that you can't run as long without running out of breath possibly

[muted rain]

In the time if you got tapped by romero or rival handcannon or whatever no biggie, at least they were balanced

[distant heron]

I just want to discuss the random trio option.

Am I not allowed to do that?

[muted rain]

but now you can stick a 300 dollar all rounder shotty and pretty much done

[grave wraith]

Id say reduced ammo pool but ammo box really throws that kind of balancing out the window

[muted rain]

it must be done individually, general nerfs hurts weapons that werent an issue to begin with

Dualis nerfs were done for things like conversion fmjs and such, officer dualis if close etc

[acoustic iron]

They already kinda tried that aswell when they made it so you only get a fixed amount of ammo rather then double for bringing same ammo type weapons and honestly I don't think it did too much

[muted rain]

Althrough I dont mind them because rng playstyle zzzzz

but many other weapons suffered because of it

[grave wraith]

Yeah also not direct nerf to qm

[muted rain]

same as HV nerfs etc, silencer nerfs

a change that was targeted specifically for the veterli (the only usable silencer primary in the game) lead to an overall tweak

[grave wraith]

Yeah I don't think general silencer nerfs were needed. Hv nerfs were a little much but I think they're not too bad

[acoustic iron]

Which killed its viability for the most part

[muted rain]

Still the best silencer in the game if you ask me (remove the maynard it doesnt exist in my psyche)

[acoustic iron]

I think the sparks is aight

[muted rain]

If you think about it and its history, not really

Expensive, lost what you chose an sparks for (high dps and ms)

[acoustic iron]

Near death and poisoning out of nowhere will always be scary imo

[muted rain]

Couldnt pen metal like long ammo until this was fixed

And had horrible sights, unlike the vetterli

[grave wraith]

A range nerf on shorty shotguns I wouldn't mind, because they are ahead of the pack for mediums, but I still think quartermaster in general is an issue. If it was only a nerf to the shotguns, people would just run crown obrez

[muted rain]

At the point it was "decent" a normal sparks would have done it

[acoustic iron]

You dont like the suppressed sparks sight?

[muted rain]

Im talking about the old sparks dude

[acoustic iron]

Oh ok

[muted rain]

.

[muted rain]

.

this

It was pretty much a dead weapon

with the "sight" fixes at least you could see it very rarely (at least me)

[acoustic iron]

Imo I think they both have mid sights still but thats definitely just me

[muted rain]

Now they are good (the sights)

but they had to change it because it made no sense having veterli with good and clear sights and winfield c (which is already a downside) and sparks

Remember damage dropoff was also different, silencers suffered always, and the reasons stated above

People pick sparks for the 149 dmg (easy kill if one bar is gone) and fast ms* for a cheap price

[acoustic iron]

How do yall find the vetterli sights good with the 2 big ah metal blocks on the side

They anoy me like nothing else

[muted rain]

Veterli (sadly) like centennial are pretty much 2 iq rifles

I assume the veterli buff was done to compensate for how strong the cent was

[acoustic iron]

They will always be fairly solid because medium is fairly solid

[muted rain]

Yeah but vet didnt have the dumdum ammo that inflicts heavy bleed

"scarce"

more like "not balanced nor properly tested at all"

I remember a time at least 1 or 2 on trios were running always cent dumdum

levering used to suck, now its not even bad

More people wont even dare with fmj since it turns down from 600 to 480

[acoustic iron]

Dumdum will always be a hot topic with how much extra pressure it adds for hardly any trade off imo

[muted rain]

and since these people generally cannot aim

[distant heron]

I am going to petition again: You should be able to look for only random teammates. This used to be a feature, and it was only removed fairly recently in favor of being forced to have duos in your search criteria. This benefits no one, really. It doesn't help with queue times, it just means that I have to painstakingly check the profiles of random teammates I get to make sure they are not steam friends before the match.

[muted rain]

Bleed should be based on weapon I think, only 1 shot rifles (springfield and maynard) should inflict heavy bleed

[distant heron]

Which is a huge pain, a simple toggle would remove this annoyance, and it would save time for the duos as well because they would not have to wait for me doing my due dilligence.

[muted rain]

And nitro if you wish, of course

[grave wraith]

Can we drop it

[acoustic iron]

Very true

[muted rain]

Its silly you can get tomahawked on a limb and have medium bleed and get tagged by a compact pistol with heavy bleed

[distant heron]

Absolutely not. I have as much freedom to discuss my feedback as anyone else.

[muted rain]

Not even mentioning the bow

[muted rain]

that is not feedback my guy

another definition you got wrong

[acoustic iron]

Freedom of speech doesn't apply online my guy

[acoustic iron]

Nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it

[muted rain]

talking about this make the tomahawk a decent pick again (buff perhaps the throwing speed a little?)

its like the middle child nobody likes

spear is heavily meta

knives are underutilized since nerf (obviously so)

[empty oasis]

If you're looking to make your opinion known, you can leave the devs feedback, which they do look at, in the #feedback channel
If you just wish to discuss the issue then you are free to do so here

[muted rain]

30m 2 point perk

remember....

[distant heron]

Thank you.

[muted rain]

bow users are worse than shotgunners tbh

they hyperfocus, tunnel vision fully

and they just walk

[distant heron]

So again I would like to say, it was previously not a problem and I had a much better time finding randoms teammates.

[muted rain]

and dont even aim (for some reason)

hip fire shoulder peak

amazing display

[distant heron]

Before the duo change

[muted rain]

One thing is making the statment and discussing about it its like the 4th time you post it og

we get it

[acoustic iron]

Why aim when not required

[muted rain]

yeah xd

[distant heron]

Can you please stop if you have nothing constructive to add?

[grave wraith]

Because bow has very tight hipfire spread and terrible sights. It's meant to be hipfired

[muted rain]

Im being constructive, you wont be able to get noticed if you keep spamming the same over and over again

Instead post it properly on feedback

and then discuss it

[empty oasis]

You can both block each other if you dont want to see the posts. Otherwise, keep it civil

[muted rain]

better approach but you do you

[muted rain]

It doesnt have terrible sights in my opinions, it also has negible drop

[acoustic iron]

We already tried to help you and you decided to be rude and accusatory for no reason its honestly really dumb

[muted rain]

compared to crossbow (or shotbolt xd)

[distant heron]

I have remained civil the entire time and will continue to do so. I don't think I have said anything untoward.

[muted rain]

You built an strawman accusing other users of being themselves something against the rules but okay man

whatever you say

keep spamming the same

Im literally trying to help you with your "feedback" that wont even be implemented into the game for several reasons, but you are still too blind to see

Post it properly on feedback

[distant heron]

Can you please stop calling me "blind" and accusing me of a strawman and other such things?

[acoustic iron]

He wont he is too stubborn

[muted rain]

You made by definition an strawman with your accusations

You can look it up

You literally did-that

XD

Whatever idc live on your fantasy

candyland yipie

[distant heron]

Please discuss hunt showdown feedback and leave personal insults directed towards me out of it.

[empty oasis]

Both of you stop antagonizing

[muted rain]

We were doing that

talking about dumdum balancing

and QM

[empty oasis]

Then continue to do so and just dont reply

[acoustic iron]

We truly did try to help you

[distant heron]

I'm not antagonizing? They called me blind, stubborn, a "candyland yipie" whatever that is.

I just asked them politely to stop.

[muted rain]

So stop we did, no more answer for you, done

(now the 5th time is coming)

[distant heron]

I don't know how I could be any more polite about it. Genuinely, I am just trying to discuss the feature.

[muted rain]

Im not a fan of all rounders but they should probably give up a lil bit and reduce drilling pricing too

long ammo bois always gonna pick a rifle beyond that

not sure if they fixed the handcannon yet, havent tested* it properly, i would assume so

[acoustic iron]

Handcannon is pretty solid rn

[muted rain]

Yeah yeah but back then when melees had cons

the axe instead had less sway than the base variant

(for some reason)

(dont ask why nobody knows)

[acoustic iron]

The axe held your hand still or smthn like that

[muted rain]

Obrez was good in that sense, obrez mace (and drum) had more sway

not like you would see a drum obrez back in the day of course xd

[acoustic iron]

I used to hate the obrez but I gave it a run around recently and it was really fun

[muted rain]

Perhaps its me but I dont like the delay it has when switching to the shottie

[muted rain]

Obrez mace was the first weapon (now all big maces do) to one tap bees

[acoustic iron]

Well if it didn't have that it would definitely be to strong

[muted rain]

Not that is relevant because you are much safer just using your fuses or flare gun

or that the bees themselves are strong in that regard xd

[muted rain]

Idk, still overpriced and medium slot

Weird muzzle, bad dropoff

Meh

[acoustic iron]

I only find bees to be an issue when against shotgun bum rushers

[muted rain]

Yeah cause you are in console and have like that menu sorta like gta and shi

where you have to pick your stuff

[acoustic iron]

I think its just a issue with the drilling family in general

[muted rain]

but on pc you just swap to fuses / flare gun (which everyone runs)

and its a literal hardcounter

for me its (besides flashes that should never return) the worst consumable ingame

[acoustic iron]

There are buttons for faster swapping but i lose alot of frames when near bees or flares so it really doesn't matter much

[muted rain]

C tier weapon honestly, and i dont think its bad they keep it that way

if they buffed it all rounders become too op

[acoustic iron]

Oh god I rember old flashes in fight my screen was more white than game

[muted rain]

It should have had an accesibility option to turn flashes into black screens but whatever

Cheap consumable poorly done

didnt hit you but hey, flashed for 8 seconds

[acoustic iron]

That's a newer game feature so I understand why

[muted rain]

Bring back the real issues

lantern back and remove flashes

only 2 joes uses them so why bother

at least flashlight was a meme

[acoustic iron]

Good meme tho

[muted rain]

and you could say "haha shotgun melee rush" and shi

but flashbangs were so cheap

both to use and kill or to die from

possibly one of the better changes they have done in the lifespan on the game alongside adding every hunter having the same HP and ping restrictions and trade windows

[acoustic iron]

Flasbangs will always be bad for games because anything that removes a very key element such as sight or movement will be hated

[muted rain]

Nah but its how they worked on hunt, it wasnt volumetric, it was like an invisible frag or some shi

if there was a wooden plank misalligned, you get flashed

at least in other games you can turn or something

to avoid getting flashed

(or fully flashed at least)

[acoustic iron]

It's an issue with almost all throwables

[muted rain]

yeah, most notable on frags and big big bundles

chokes have that issue too

many people dont like it since its their go to consumable for randoms since 2019 or something

but they are a crutch in many ways

[acoustic iron]

I just think they forgot to code that throwables have to understand how walls work

[muted rain]

they shouldnt instaexplode when touching fire for example

leaving dauntless players to be able to counter it

now if the body is burning into something heavy (molly, oil puddle) you will get punished for it and be coughing for 10 seconds?

aimpunched randomly etc

its just annoying

and you dont even have to hit the target, since you can extinguish via walls etc

[acoustic iron]

Chokes will always be anoying simply because how it was designed

[muted rain]

For me they shouldnt instaexplode when they touch fire, it makes no sense

i already accepted they wont ever fix explosives

remove that and im fine, enough QoL

[acoustic iron]

Yeah that is kinda dumb but it probably has to do with spaghetti code and how every other throwable explodes instantly

[grave wraith]

So is literally everything?

[acoustic iron]

Spyglass

[muted rain]

look, i kill two guys that rush with shotguns (im sorry im running a weird shi with QM)

the choke is on the roof (im on the basement, upper desalle)

they are now not burning but they can still be burned again

consistency.exe

Xd

[acoustic iron]

Yeah its dumb but i think the issue is so deep in the code they can't be asked to even try and change it

[muted rain]

yeah, this

[muted rain]

Nah, not everything is a crutch

Most things that are crutches are things that eliminate RNG, meta things

Long ammo, as it nearly guarantees 2 tap on every scenario (normal)

Slugs, OHK extended provided you can aim + hs

Avto etc

In fact even "rng" things that were deemed meta long ago were meta precisely because they had little rng (pre crouch nerf conversion fmj dualis)

And if you talk about tools, its mostly the same

Flare gun can hardcounter things + burn bodies safely from distances, some other tricks (explosives + timing properly)

Traps are instakill when place correctly unless you have antidote shot (and if somebody is looking, you are probably dead either way)

Bear traps when they used to 2 tap were meta as a tool too

no rng

[grave wraith]

They are all crutches because they make the game easier

If you don't wanna use crutches, do naked runs

That's the only way

[muted rain]

xd

[grave wraith]

I'm serious though. Everything is crutch

[muted rain]

now its not even fun go to the nearest tower and you have an spitzer rifle

they overtuned that shi badly

i cannot tell how many berthiers with spitzer I have seen (laying on towers / weapon spawns)

surreal

[grave wraith]

I mean, technically. Don't need to crutch a spyglass if you can use your eyes and see

[muted rain]

No, because spyglass (believe it or not) allows you to see through loading LOD levels that shouldnt be visible

(some walls, for example)

Even the memest of the tools (spyglass) has that

[grave wraith]

Don't need to see through loading LOD levels if you just kill everyone anyway without that unecessary information

[acoustic iron]

It was originally a joke but dang didn't know that

[muted rain]

It has crazy sway if you zoom it, which i think it should be removed

it is already a meme dead tool

no need to have crazy sway when zoomed lmao

nobody that plays seriously is gonna trade a penny shot, a trap of choice or a flaregun for that either way

[acoustic iron]

They just need to have the med kit spyglass and flashlight just be part of hunters rather than a separate tool imo

[muted rain]

I liked the idea (someone posted it on feedback) of merging the decoys

It could actually work and be great, just a toggle like pressing X

and you can choose between your 3 sacks

of which decoy to use

also, crazy the amount of dmg the explosive decoy does lol

[acoustic iron]

How much?

[muted rain]

If you stand on the place, 2 tap i think

You lose a couple of bars thats for sure

if not 2 tap 3 tap

It is obviously the decoy with more usage

but still very rare to see

tbh

[acoustic iron]

Damn too bad its not worth switching a tool slot for because id definitely try to kill someone with that

[muted rain]

Yeah i find it funny that if the guy stands on the decoy he can actually die

but he has to be either throwing hard or deaf

and dauntless (easily one of the best 1 point perk) hardcounters it anyway

[acoustic iron]

You'd be shocked by how many people I find playing without audio

[muted rain]

people also tend to spam decoys instead of mixing them

which screams "HEY DUDE IM THE DUDE THROWING THE FAKE STUFF"

that unironically prevents you from pushing properly

since there is little to no reaction to have

[grave wraith]

#game-ideas message suggestion for spyglass buff

[muted rain]

Its a console thing tbh, on warzone and similar stuff is more of the same

people playing on living rooms and whatnot

and totally deaf

[acoustic iron]

Yeah i only see streamers getting a miniscule amount of use out of decoys but thats about it

[muted rain]

yeah, some streamers run it when solo etc

it is not that rare in such cases

[acoustic iron]

Yeah its decent for solos trying to sound like a trio

[muted rain]

specially because they play solo-trios against lower tier players

and creating 1vs1s is the golden rule

[grave wraith]

With regular decoys I find it's more useful to just use them as throwing rocks than as actual decoys. Throw at lamps, windows etc. kinda pointless because of throwing knives tho

[muted rain]

Yeah, the thing with regular decoys is that they will only work if people have brains

[acoustic iron]

Probably one of its best uses right now

[muted rain]

That is why, as you say, it is better used as a means to destroy coups and barrels

etc

[grave wraith]

The issue is that if they have more of a brain, it also won't work. It's a bell curve with a very slim margin for success

[muted rain]

Couldnt have said it better myself

Either merge them or make the perk permanent (as base, as bladeseer or whatever it was called)

For exp decoys it might be a little overtuned but for others it just might be fine

I rather have a pushy game than a mosin holding boring aaah game

[acoustic iron]

I think it would be fine on the exp decoy because of the low total count

[grave wraith]

Also make the decoys make extra sounds when they bounce so you can actually mimic footsteps

[muted rain]

yeah but solos have a perk... that kinda... break the game balancing....

remember.... 5 medkits and shi...

if you are 6* and premade is very unusual to see a solo

because maths

[acoustic iron]

That's only when catalyst is breaking shi tho

[muted rain]

but for the general playerbase it would be hell

yeah yeah ik

[muted rain]

thank god we dont have a card that literally gifts you the perk and adds some cherry on top

oh...

dang

[acoustic iron]

Yeah this event is a balancing nightmare

[muted rain]

Im afraid of a potential decoy buff because I dont want them touching more audio stuff

[grave wraith]

More fun than the last events at least

[muted rain]

that could potentially break the game

[grave wraith]

Like at least it's changing the gameplay

[muted rain]

Xd recycling at it finest

at least its better than the first 1896 event xd

i dont think an event can be worse than that

literally unplayable

[acoustic iron]

I think it'll probably be fine but if they really want to test stuff they can add a new scarce item or something like that possibly

[acoustic iron]

Last event wasn't too bad but this one is definitely better

[muted rain]

F

we shall never see its peak again

[muted rain]

Garden? Meh

Recycled content + gunrunner

zzzzzzzzz

Took like (4 tries?) for crytek to see they cannot develop "paths" without one being blatantly broken

[acoustic iron]

Im honestly just happy we have events now

[muted rain]

Idk im against the tide on that

I know playerbase rises and shit but i dont agree with people saying vanilla hunt is dead

events trivialize so many stuff

meh honestly

[acoustic iron]

I just want some spice every now and then the same old will only be fun for so long

[muted rain]

I can understand that, yeah

Id like to see what i been saying

like an operation health but for hunt

an update based (or revolving around) major QoL

[acoustic iron]

That would be absolutely lovely but crytek thinks we need more skins

[muted rain]

but then people would weep literal tears because they dont have their new 2 unoriginal weapons

we got

a rival romero (that is bugged with slugs) (how original)

an overtuned op af centennial

"content"

[acoustic iron]

I thought they were just testing stuff and then they said they will still be in the game after the event and I lost all hope

[muted rain]

idk why they are so scared of hotfixes

a quick patch (mb) would solve some things to begin with

[acoustic iron]

Because too much active work

[muted rain]

true another krag skin please

THAT would retain players

im sure

[acoustic iron]

It'll definitely hold the players over for atleast 2 weeks

[muted rain]

yeah xd

[grave wraith]

Skins are a seperate team

[muted rain]

They have a budget you know

Of course they are dif teams

That doesnt change what they should invest or focus on

[grave wraith]

Well obviously the team responsible for skins is gonna focus on skins

[muted rain]

I dont expect an art designer to change ping limits or tweak the netcode/servers

[muted rain]

Bad call from the higher ups

🫠

It seems pretty clear game would benefit from obvious qol changes (many of them ln feedback, some of them little but important) and that they need people to do that

But its no secret that Hunt is the cashcow from crytek

No wonder they have been in bankrupcy several times

And layoffs and stuff, overhiring ppl as temp stuff... idk, always a bad sign

[tribal wyvern]

@olive fjord I'll take 100 slug shotguns over facing just 1 sniper.
They're so boring. A shotgun player can miss, i can win that trade, not very likely, but possible. Hell I can actually outplay it with my tools aswell. Or bring a close range option. Like a lemat with slugs.

A sniper 150m away in a bush, ye GL seeing that with my ironsight. And they just never effing engage. All they do is take shots & hide.
I played Duo with my brother. We ran from Desalle, the northest compound in the middle of the 3, can't remember its name.
We ran from there all the way south, having 3 ppl snipe us, we got away ofc. But it was boring as hell not having an option to engage them. We'd run out of darksight boost chasing 1.

Snipers just feels so incredibly Anti gameplay, Deadeye or marksman should be the highest scope you can play & just remove snipers.

[inland forge]

In the lower MMRs I can easy avoid snipers. Maybe in the 5-6 range they're just autoaim.

[tribal wyvern]

Ye unfortunately i sit in the 6 star. It feels like they just kd farm.
They do not really win fights, but it's more just disprutive, annoying & since they do not really engage, it's just no fun.
Everytime its day map i just sigh and hope i do not run into them.

[manic burrow]

Hunt on console has a major dichotomy between players. You have pocket shotguns looking to 1-hit kill in close range, and snipers looking to 1-hit kill from long range. The matches end up taking forever because the snipers won’t advance and the shotgunners won’t peek.

Those two cases cover over 80% of players I see in 6 star, leading to slow and/or disappointing matches

[grave wraith]

it's similar on pc

medium range is a dying art

[manic burrow]

Medium range combat and 2+ shot kills are both dying. With how prolific the headshots and shotguns are, if you’re not killing in 1, you’re lagging behind

[grave wraith]

also one of the reasons 125+ damage long ammo is so important

one taps on injured hunters

[hardy nymph]

Omg, completely forgot generators were a thing, got me some nostalgia as I do remember playing with them

[empty oasis]

@inland knot the auto 4
Auto 5 is the full sized 3 slot

[grave wraith]

does auto 4 have skins or are they safe to just remove it

[empty oasis]

Has skins, unfortunately

[grave wraith]

hear me out, make it do 149 damage 😭

[latent geyser]

A skin from the MC and JotF.

[inland knot]

my bad i meant the shorty

[hazy stump]

Here's an idea since crytek will never ever fix the ping issue from foreign players on us east, take away the ability to see a user's steam profile and just leave report only. It's just to easy to pull up a profile in the game so you can get frustrated as crap that someone with a 150ping is on east. Should cut down toxic msg. posts on those profiles as well.

[manic burrow]

I think if the Auto 4 became the Auto 3, I would be satisfied with it. It’s too forgiving right now if you miss your shots or are too far out of range

#feedback message @twin moss I would much rather it drop catalyst first. That’s the guaranteed scarce trait. I can always buy necro, but I can’t buy catalyst. If for some reason I chose to throw away the card that gives 3 traits when I only have one slot, I would be annoyed if it gave me necro

[twin moss]

You're missing the point then. People use empress in solos so they can revive more than once. If I have one slot and I get catalyst first, then it's a waste. Solos need necro first not catalyst

[manic burrow]

If solos want to use it to revive more then once, they should make sure they
A: Have at least 2 slots open
B: Already have catalyst

“The point” of empress isn’t just to give solos more necros. That’s how solos are using it, but it’s not “the point”

[twin moss]

brother

you only get catalyst from empress

and no, empress was made so solos get more necros

necro is a solo trait

and catalyst also has a solo effect

empress is a solo card

[crystal plume]

Calling it "solo trait" is not exactly correct as it's not solo only trait

It has a solo specific effect to it, but it's far from just "solo trait"

[twin moss]

its biggest gain is for solos

so it is infact a solo tarot card

[crystal plume]

I do agree that the order in which the empress gives traits could be changed

[twin moss]

yes

im glad we can agree on that

[crystal plume]

But the other arguments seem pointless whether or not it's a "solo card" or necro being a "solo trait"

[twin moss]

yes it's beside the point

but the main and only point that i mentioned

is that the order should be changed

Necro > catalyst > random burn trait

[twin moss]

you can go in the game with two open slots and still pick up a trait like rampage

then you only have one slot open

[crystal plume]

I personally get the least amount of value from catalyst so I wouldn't mind it being the last trait given 😄

[twin moss]

hahaha

[crystal plume]

The effects that come with it are very meh overall

[twin moss]

i dont care too much about it in solos either

i barely ever need to use 5 med kits

fights usually over by the third medkit

it only matters to people that play kiteskin and beastface

although it would be greedy if you would want catalyst over necro

in a trio

and as a solo you would always want to have necro obviously especially if you just finished a fight and used ur necro already

[grave wraith]

solo catalyst frontiersman is pretty crazy

that's about it though

the other catalyst stuff is meh

[crystal plume]

Yeah that's the only thing I would care about, if I was playing solo

[twin moss]

kiteskin catalyst is nice too

but i dont have enough room for that hahahah

[crystal plume]

How often are you jumping off of towers?

[twin moss]

it depends

am i jumping to land on someone

or jumping escaping

i rarely jump off towers to escape

but i surely would love to land on someone from pelican prison tower 👀

[grave wraith]

i forget, does kiteskin catalyst remove fall damage or just make it nonlethal

[twin moss]

u never die from fall damage

[manic burrow]

Leaves you with 1hp

I use vigilant religiously, so that boosted range is great. Add boosted beastface to the mix and I’m having a great time. If it’s an early hunter, I’ll grab kite skin in case a fight comes down to that. But I’ll remove kiteskin as the hunter levels up

But again, I’d much rather take catalyst over necro because it’s the guaranteed scarce trait. I’m undecided if I would rather take the random scarce/burn trait second or third though. On the one hand, it’s scarce. On the other, necro is one of the guaranteed traits

[twin moss]

so you would rather take catalyst than die and lose the hunter because you didnt have necro

cool

[manic burrow]

Are you saying you would prefer to die and lose the hunter more than you would like to have catalyst?

[twin moss]

so you would rather take catalyst and* die and lose the hunter because you didnt have necro

[manic burrow]

Ah. Well me having another hit of necro wouldn’t save my hunter because I don’t play solos. So I would absolutely rather have catalyst

[grave wraith]

Empress is primarily for solos tbf

Extra Necro is mainly useful for solos, useful catalyst traits are solo

[manic burrow]

I disagree that it’s primarily for solos. They get the most benefit from it proportionally because of how much necro means to them, but that’s about it.
The only solo-only effect catalyst has is on frontiersman.

But I can take empress in on a fresh hunter with beastface, resilience, vigilant, kiteskin, and determination.
Then as soon as the match starts, now this fresh hunter has necro, can’t set off sound traps, and potentially has shadow or death cheat. That’s a huge start for a lvl 1 hunter.

[muted rain]

xd

[acoustic dirge]

Crytek, dont put this quest ''kill/banish/extract'' into the upcoming events anymore please.

[inland forge]

How many skins does the mosin need LMAO

[shrewd hedge]

#game-ideas message I don’t see why we shouldn’t be able to turn them off like every other lamp at least

[atomic ferry]

100% but they cant be turned off and theyre SO bright 😭

[acoustic iron]

@nocturne haven nobody can have death cheat because nobody can have nice things

[empty oasis]

@atomic ferry Necroing in a poison cloud without resilience will kill so fast that the death screen wont even go away

[atomic ferry]

Yeah, i had assumed as much but because i didnt hear the actual death sound at all andit didnt show on his end screen as an extra death i thought id write it down as a precaution

[dusky elk]

that's literally the whole point of the game bro

[unborn sandal]

It’s too dependent on whether you spawn next to boss. If you aren’t no lifing the game it can sometimes take a couple weeks to get a single clean sweep simply because it gets banished before you get there every time

[manic burrow]

That just doesn’t make sense to me. You should be able to get at least one easily within 3-4 total hours of gameplay. Go in, collect clues, and move toward the bounty at a reasonable pace. It would have to be a pretty bad streak to take a few weeks

[manic burrow]

I agree, it was almost definitely the poison tick. Poison kills so fast that solos can’t even revive in it because it kills them before the restoration can kick in

[inland forge]

What. If we don't get a grand slam in at least one of our matches in a play sesh, we consider a mid sesh. Like if you're killing people like 1 in 3 of your wins should be a grand slam.

[acoustic iron]

@fair portal fuck no flashes were already an issue in the past we do not need to bring that back

[acoustic iron]

@burnt pebble could finally have a full size drum variant that wouldn't be completely broken maybe

[burnt pebble]

Yes good idea

[cloud stratus]

Damn, I just got three grand slams today, between horrible disgusting losses. Playing with friends ofc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049257768273592340/1431495042756776096/iu.png?ex=68fd9f26&is=68fc4da6&hm=fdc910796af11b1e1b6f4540d1187d135b135b02baf4e043a51b504ac9257612&

[empty oasis]

@sick girder there's already a mechanic that makes bounties worth more with early extraction

If you increase it then you just give more incentive to banish and run which people already complain about

[shrewd hedge]

Would rather see kills while holding the bounty more rewarding

[flat sandal]

#game-ideas message Maybe a flying one that works mechanic wise a bit like the helicopter in rust

[grave wraith]

Yeah that could work. I would like one that could climb trees and hide in shadows personally, something that could frighten you

Gotta say I did not expect to get a 24.0 like ratio lmao

[flat sandal]

yeah it's wild 😄 a stalking tree hugger could be really cool as well

[hardy nymph]

A modded Sparks as a scarce weapon sounds cool

However I do wish to have an Aperture version of the regular Sparks as a buyable variation as well

[flat sandal]

honestly, pain sense with catalyst is pretty good, fun for sure, you see ppl out of stamina from really far away. beastface too

[flat sandal]

@atomic ferry the lights actually used to be this bright/white

[atomic ferry]

Theyre also in every single building even the small ones around the edges of compounds. I think i said in my post that at least just have them in main compounds or "wealthy" compounds because on night maps its blinding

[flat sandal]

I thought they were only street lights in game

anyways, was just putting a fun fact out there 😄 At least I thought it was one when I first learned about it^^

[atomic ferry]

Ah thats fair! But no they are in most compounds and buildings on night maps. Thank you for the fact though i didnt know they were so bright around that time period

[flat sandal]

yeah it feels kinda wrong

[safe mist]

For the love of jeebus, why can't the game mode just stay the same between rounds

[acoustic iron]

@upbeat slate ignore all the downvotes that always should of been part of necro

[unborn dagger]

Because Crytek is really against letting you default a mode for yourself for some reason.

[acoustic iron]

@wise blaze the world is already pretty strong with no drawbacks it really doesn't need that and if you really want conduit active just go grab one clue before you use the card you usually spawn pretty close to one

[wise blaze]

@acoustic iron I actually don't think world is strong at all. The time saved from it isn't doing much for my matches. Having a restore effect would give you a risk/reward reason to not pop it off the bat.

[acoustic iron]

The amount of time it can save, and the chance of you getting to the boss first goes way up imo thats strong

Because hunt simplified is how fast can I get to something interesting and the world helps alot

[wise blaze]

I find either the boss is near me in which case I would have gotten to it anyway, or it's on the other side of the map and I'm just w key for 5 minutes.

[fervent nimbus]

Dead Cheat doesn't work now?

I just lost a hunter that had dead cheat...

Are you using a keyboard to work?

[unborn dagger]

Yeah so that saves you time from being wasted finding those clues giving you an advantage who have to find them.

[acoustic iron]

Known bug

[half moss]

know bug with a few other perks idk witch one tho you’d have to look em up

[inland forge]

The number is evil??? What?

[unborn sandal]

Associated with a certain German dictator

[sick girder]

What number?

[unborn sandal]

The Bileweaver kills final goal

[sick girder]

Idk what that is

?????

as a Sephardic person, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[unborn sandal]

Yeah stage 3. Maybe a stretch to complain about but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inland forge]

I don't get it. I thought the number is 6 million. Am I thinking of something else???

[unborn sandal]

If you don’t understand I can’t explain without getting a warning most likely

[sick girder]

I think I get what you're saying.

[inland forge]

Okay, fair. We probably already pushed the envelope too much.

[sick girder]

It seems like a bit of a stretch, yeah. With modern politics it can be difficult to avoid seeing dogwhistles everywhere.

In this case I think you might be giving too much power to these people.

8 is just an aesthetically pleasing number that is also associated with infinity.

Also.. Spiders have eight legs.

[unborn sandal]

true but considering crytek is a German company one would think they would realize the connotation

[sick girder]

Ehhhhh, that's an American politics thing.

I can see why you'd think that, but it was never historically associated with that movement/time period.

I think it's the number 8, 8 times. Spiders have 8 legs.

When you let these sorts of unsavory people steal away simple things like that, then they win.

[unborn sandal]

Fair enough as I said I think it’s a stretch I was just trying to explain to mindboggler why this person posted this:

#feedback message

[unborn dagger]

Some people find anyway to get upset about something

[fervent wyvern]

I feel like the solution to solo necro is just giving solo players permanent relentless, so dying doesn’t remove a bar, but remove the restoration effect from necro. It gives resilience a purpose and discourages the wait till you’ve burnt all but one hp, then necro to full health that everyone does.

[manic burrow]

8 also looks like a spider without its legs lol

[grave wraith]

Wdym "solution to solo Necro"? They already solved it

[acoustic iron]

@fervent wyvern the reason you can hear when your downed is because you are not completely dead you are completely dead whenever you completely leave the match

[flat sandal]

ya'll like the vending machine rng? but wha?

I think it's as ludicrous as if the cards were random when you pick them up

[inland forge]

Making necro one time use was great. But I hate that solos are encouraged to wait until the last possible millisecond to pop it. Just wastes my time...

[grave wraith]

Tbh I don't think solos are encouraged to wait at all. But people do anyway

Probably doing it precisely because it wastes your time

[elder hedge]

Is someone from Crytek even reading the #game-ideas or is just for bored people with ideas?

[inland forge]

They're encouraged to because they're not punished for it. Longer they wait, more bored you get, more time for more players to show up, more time for you to make a mistake.

I swear the only way I can force these people to stand up is to reload while having a friend nearby.

[grave wraith]

From my time playing solo I find by far the most success by reviving the moment I can, because otherwise I'm giving them more time to get an angle on my body and get comfortable or to set traps

But I do agree it can be annoying that they can just sit there

For as long as they want

Unless burnt out

[manic burrow]

#feedback message @quaint swan The point of making it scarce is to make it not abundant. It’s supposed to be hard to find.
Making it scarce is an easy way to alleviate the issue while why explore different balancing options. Price as a balancing factor only goes so far too, and people will whine anyway about why the price doesn’t make sense and blah blah blah

[grave wraith]

Yeah changing the price wouldn't do much outside of gatekeeping it from newbies

[quaint swan]

But why make an ammo type so hard to find, but in the same breath they remove weapons that have been introduced in the past updates, like the sawblade entirely? Or the ressurection arrow?
All of these could have a place in the game, they simply needed to be better optimised. For all it matters, nerf it to the ground, but keep it in the game. There's hardly any justification in removing things or making them so scarce it feels like they're removed.

[grave wraith]

I don't see revive bolt having a place in the game at all tbh

Shredder I can get behind

[quaint swan]

They coulda made it so that it ressurects with 1hp at all times. Ressurects but removes additional health chunk. Ressurects but you are now poisoned for 2 minutes. Ressurects but at a cost of the shooters healthbar (this last one would actually be balanced af)

[grave wraith]

Ehh at that point it's better to just remove it. It doesn't really add anything positive to the game experience

[quaint swan]

Yeah but since it was added, why not keep it... It's already coded in, time and effort was spent, money was spent developing this in making sure it works - and now that is just thanos snapped out of existance.
What are we given in return, long romero and slightly better winfield. Cool. ZzzzZZzz....

[grave wraith]

Because it actively made the game worse and made players stop playing, therefore reducing the popularity of the game and the money income

[quaint swan]

Well if the playercount was an issue, then I can guarantee you as someone that's played this game from the getgo - the revive arrow did the least amount of damage 🤣🤣
bring back the BB acolades at that point and they'll have their playerbase

my playtime went from 12hours a day to 2hours after that one

[grave wraith]

If they bring back bb accolades, they also get less money.

[quaint swan]

After BB acolades removal, I and many other ppl just legit stopped buying any of their DLCs. Before that I was happy to buy a few here n there. Since then? 0 moneys from me. I'm just reusing the same 1k BBs I get for each battlepass that comes. That's my, and I'm sure many other OG player's way of saying thank you to Crytek for that greedy change.

[grave wraith]

Oh well, I don't think they care about the people who did that because another group started buying bbs for money instead of grinding for them

Not that I like the change personally. But I don't mind it too much

[manic burrow]

You’re surprised the event weapon was removed when the event ended? Will you be surprised when long Romero and slightly better Winfield are removed?

Revive bolts had no place in the game. They changed core mechanics/gameplay and made everyone upset. Devs removed it because they tried multiple reworks and hadn’t found one they’re happy with.

Needing it into the ground is the same as removing it. When was the last time someone used a flash bomb?

When money, time, and effort get spent making something that the players hate, it’s cheaper to cut losses there and just remove it.

In the case of frag arrows and scarce ammo, people who are that committed to playing it can hunt for it if they wish. In the meantime, the rest of the players only have to deal with those people 1/20 games instead of 1/2

[inland forge]

Yeah it was a cool weapon. Shame they decided to just dumpster it entirely.

[quaint swan]

All am saying is, as Rick Grimes said it the best - we can olive together.

Devs just lack imagination on how to implement these things in is all so that they just work and are in balance. Event Avto, I said this ages ago - why not redesign it so that sure it is the way it was at its peak, but maybe it uses compact ammo instead of long ammo? Clearly lowering its ammo amount isn't the way to go, ok roll back the tape, try smt else.
Sawblade too, ok could it now have double the amount of ammo, but it deals quarter of its damage now?
They say ''yeah idk we tried behind closed doors, got none of your feedback but we just think its not gonna work out'' -- aka they could not be bothered, and rather dumpster stuff as usual instead of try fixing things.
Classic Crytek...

[rotund obsidian]

as much as i absolutely despise explosive bolts with my entire being, I do think scarce ammo is not the solution. I'd actually prefer they get outright removed, instead of this weird limbo where they're half removed but still floating around occasionally. A rework would be a fine solution, or just a sledgehammer nerf rendering it unusable. Any of those outcomes are better than this weird "oh its still just as obnoxious and/or OP but you bump into it less often since ppl cant buy it"

Making the ammo scarce is a shitty band-aid for an ammotype that has caused significant frustration or upset the balance in an unhealthy way.

[empty oasis]

@gray rose Your post in #game-ideas has been removed due to **No troll/low effort ideas are allowed. **

[gray rose]

only suffering from cheaters is allowed=(

[crystal plume]

EAC is already one of the leading anti cheat solutions that is used by many big name studios/games and still being implemented in new big name games coming out

I see no reason for them to change it

[gray rose]

just play on 6 stars

[crystal plume]

Already do

For every cheater I see I get called a cheater like 50 times just because I dared to wallbang them or sometimes for no apparent reason

So I've mostly lost my faith in most people's ability in being able to tell when someone is actually cheating rather than just being unable/unwilling to accept their own shortcomings

[gray rose]

Well, your opinion is in the minority anyway, even already popular content makers change their minds

and many have already simply left the project because of this problem

[crystal plume]

I feel like it's the opposite

But sure, if you say so

[gray rose]

But sure, if you say so

)

[acoustic iron]

Acting like any modern game doesn't have a cheating problem is laughable

[gray rose]

It's always nice to argue with a worthy opponent.

[crystal plume]

There's nothing worth arguing here

I've gone through this same thing more than enough times with my time being here

If someone wants to believe every other person they face is cheating, it's not my loss

Also keep it english only

[gray rose]

Dude, they literally removed player rankings from the game because they couldn't do anything about the cheaters at the top. No other game has that.

[crystal plume]

They removed it because it created a toxic culture around the game and most people at the top of it used cheesy strats to get up rather than being actually good players

[acoustic iron]

Alot of games do that because they'd rather cover it up than doing anything about it because not only is it near impossible to do anything about it it hurts numbers and companies can't have that

[crystal plume]

Sure some may have been cheating, but that wasn't the reason it was removed

[gray rose]

I'm not asking you to continue participating in the argument, lol

[crystal plume]

Cheaters were removed from it either way, but the top players were still cringy sniper players who died to AI on purpose or such whenever they were in danger to avoid getting death stats

Why should something like that be promoted

[acoustic iron]

This still happens even without the rankings

Some people just can't stand having a low kda even if it means never enjoying the game it's genuinely concerning

[crystal plume]

Sadly yeah

It wasn't that long ago I faced some duo/trio who trapped the extract with tons of traps around it and sat outside the darksight boost range waiting for bounty team to extract and then spam nade/concertina arrows at them

They had like 60 KDA or something

Cringy as hell

Even though we had them in 2 matches they couldn't finish us off, we extracted both times with the bounty

[acoustic iron]

Servers them right playing like dweebs

[hardy nymph]

#game-ideas message @steel comet Can't wait to oil you up while you're on the floor

[fervent wyvern]

Fix the (s)hitreg

[paper belfry]

Has anyone here seen your own unique suggestion be implemented in the game?

[paper belfry]

oily cowboy yummy

[unborn sandal]

No idea if the change was due to my suggestion but I suggested this about a year before it was implemented:

#game-ideas message

[stray dome]

Ok cool. Thanks for clarifying

[lyric rivet]

How will we be getting the code for the death rites participation? It isnt stated in the faq on how we will recieve the codes it just says if you dont use it before it expires it will be gone

[crystal plume]

I'd assume they will be shared on the site and probably announced here

Probably other social media as well

[lyric rivet]

would be good to have it locked down as a check this specific page type thing to keep from accidents

[stray dome]

I really pray as they stated that eventually for little events and stuff they do like this that there will be a tab in game that can track it. I would be very nice. I love the simplicity of this game, but sometimes I do wish they had more. It would give way better ideas for things like this. Unlike kill bileweavers which people will do anyway… not like really a challenge… I wish they would get rid of the blueprint and oil system. Had a separate loot inventory in which you can break down contraband and things you can loot from I don’t know lockers and loot boxes and dead hunters and break it down into resources to actually make the blueprint for being able to buy weapons… would be way better than the blueprint and oil system. Almost like what arc raiders is doing… I know people wouldn’t like it, but I don’t know maybe a lot of people work. It sucks prestiging and then losing every single gun variant… it sucks!!! At least upgrade the prestige bar for better rewards

[hot vigil]

I was not the first, but I suggested the berthier back in the day.
#game-ideas message
Also suggested a more detailed weapon stat screen bc the old one was rubbish.
#game-ideas message

But ofc can never know if the Devs saw my suggestion here or just saw it as general feedback :)

[grave wraith]

I theorise that they just consider things that are generally suggested or discussed often

I've suggested some things that they've added, but it's usually or all been things that other people have suggested

[hot vigil]

That is ofc also a factor

But there are still like Mauser rifles and whatnot that have been suggested 1243234153 times

That still ain't in Hunt, so Crytek also look at suggestions based on how good of an idea they think it is

[paper belfry]

Theres a remington revolver that i and dozens others have suggested for years...hell i 've been suggesting that revolver since i've started playing hunt

[unborn sandal]

what niche is it gonna fill

[acoustic dirge]

Fix the sound, game is horrible lately.

[novel tulip]

unrainian ping isnt acceptable on eurpean servers

ukrainian

[random berry]

Where do I go for error code 0x30001

[grave wraith]

wrong channel lol

[random berry]

Where do I go

[grave wraith]

https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/367784106647486466 or https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/369931164334686210 or https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/401019644938289153

[grave wraith]

#game-ideas message thoughts welcome ?

[hot vigil]

It feels like a "crytek solution" that's for sure.
But dunno, feel like... just address the issue of the powerlevel of shotguns instead of making aim-punch an even more frustrating experience (I don't mind aim punch, but I know a lot of people does).

[grave wraith]

Yeah, shotguns got overbuffed, but I think we both doubt at this point that Crytek will actually directly reel them back. Only time they've ever really directly reverted something was immediately after backlash

And I would personally enjoy the proposed change to make cqc overall more engaging and strategic [rather than just "who one shots who first"], but not sure if that's just me

[hot vigil]

Dunno if this makes it more engaging nor strategic, just even adding in RNG to the mix.
And remember this makes non-shotguns even worse.
Aim punch with shotgun still have a spread and chance, if ADS with pistol you just get fucked even more.

[grave wraith]

Well in this engagement between a shotgun and a pistol, if the shotgun strikes first so that aimpunch affects the pistol user, the pistol user is almost certainly already dead anyway

and at a range where that's not the case, they'll be aiming down sights anyway

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah, but it still makes pistol vs pistol suck more too

Dunno, it just seems to increase overall misery than actually fixing anything

[grave wraith]

true. I don't know what it's like to be affected by aim punch as a person who's frustrated by it, because I personally have no issues with it. probably why I asked here for thoughts, was wondering about the perspective of someone frustrated by aimpunch

[hot vigil]

Oh I am neither, but I don't think making thing even more RNG helps

[grave wraith]

would the option to aim down sights to make this mechanic a non-issue help? I see a lot of people who don't like aim punch just not liking that there's absolutely no way to opt out of it. so if this aim punch buff were counterable by aiming down sights perhaps it wouldn't be so bad.

[grave wraith]

perhaps should have specified in suggestion, not sure if it's unclear or not, but by "random" I mean that the amount your angle of firing rotates is about the same, but the direction is slightly random so people can't just easily counteract it like aimpunch. the end result would be the same- your aim is thrown off of the target so your original aim point would not hit and you would have to wait a split second to realign your aim.

[hot vigil]

again, feels like over-engineering an issue that is just "nerf 2-slot shotguns" lol

[grave wraith]

then what about crown + obrez drum? which would undoubtedly be the almost equal alternative as soon as 2 slot shotguns would get nerfed [which probably isn't happening sadly]

[hot vigil]

As I had a talk about earlier today:
2-slot shotguns got buffed with 3-5m reach.
2-slot rifles got buffed by reducing sway from 133 to 100.
There are numbers we can tweak.

[grave wraith]

It would be a shame to put 2 slot + 2 slot loadouts back in the gutter

I think a balance could be struck with 2 slots but it would be difficult and I doubt crytek would be capable or bothered to do it

[hot vigil]

1: I rarely see anyone run two 2-slots loadouts.
2: We don't need to revert the buffs, but shaving 1-2m of shotguns and adding 10-15 more sway too rifles, would still make them better than they used to be, without being practically as good as their 3-slot variants.

[grave wraith]

yes no one sees anyone run 2 2 slot loadouts because before, 2 slots sucking and quartermaster made them irrelevant and now it's just quartermaster still making them irrelevant

[grave wraith]

i agree with your second point

[hot vigil]

My point was that I don't see people run two 2-slots now

[grave wraith]

yes

quartermaster

we aren't in disagreement on that at all

[hot vigil]

Ah okay, I thought, you thought I was talking about running two 2-slots pre-buffed lol

Well... I did have suggestion about that a while back but that was before people had realized how 2-slot was warping the meta so it got uber downvoted lol

#game-ideas message
Back in 2024

But basically, make 2-slots slightly weaker at base and then make a cheap'ish trait that enables two 2-slot gameplay back to the their current strenght now.

So you can go:
3-slot + 1-slot, big upside/big downside, but zero trait (points) cost.
3-slot + 2-slot, big upside/okay downside, but needs 6 points trait.
2-slot + 2-slot, jack of all trades, master of none, at a small trait point price.

[grave wraith]

3 slot + 2 slot still seems extremely overtuned in this balancing scheme to me

[hot vigil]

Dunno, old QM was not an issue for 7 years.
And I don't think giving old 2-slot shotguns +1m reach and old 2-slot rifles slightly less sway gonna push them into a meta like this.

[grave wraith]

old pistols were much more viable options before a couple changes that made them much less so

which is one of the reasons qm is now so strong comparatively

not just 2 slot buffs, but also 1 slot nerfs

[hot vigil]

I don't think 1-slot got as nerfed as people make it out to be.

Especially not after their first drop buffs

[grave wraith]

ammo changes also made 1 slots much less valuable though

before, they could provide value in having spare ammo

that's kind of irrelevant now
and also they nerfed it directly

[hot vigil]

What ammo changes?

[grave wraith]

Ammo stacking nerf, deployable ammo box and some across-the-board reserve buffs

primarily ammo stacking

[hot vigil]

eeeeh I disagree, people were still running uppercut up until 2.0, which was more than a year.

And other pistols

In fact, if it weren't for deployable ammo boxes pistols would have been much stronger.

[grave wraith]

yes, it was a combination of things that saw the fall of pistols and the rise of shorties.

but i propose that ammo changes were a factor

[hot vigil]

Again, shorties didn't really explode into the scene after the ammo nerfs.

[grave wraith]

i agree. but they got one step closer

[hot vigil]

People would QM for a rifle if they ran shotguns, but that was because of the damage drop off and max headshot range.
But again old 2-slot rifles had more sway than pistols, so they felt more balanced and as preference in that regard.

God reading some stats.
Wild to see specter compact going from 113 damage at 10m to 178 damage at 10m

[grave wraith]

then also gigabuffing its firerate

insane

[hot vigil]

That was later, but yes

lol

lmao even

Yeah just gonna post some damage at 10m stats:
Romero HC:

• Old: 145
• New: 214
• 3-slot: 220
  Rival HC:
• Old: 105
• New: 158
• 3-slot: 184
  Terminus HC:
• Old: 105
• New: 168
• 3-slot: 186

Romero HC damage increase: 47.6% (2.8% loss of damage going from 3-slot to 2-slot)
Rival HC damage increase: 50.48% (14.1% loss of damage going from 3-slot to 2-slot)
Teminus HC damage increase: 60% (9.7% loss of damage going from 3-slot to 2-slot)

[grave wraith]

ridiculous

[hot vigil]

Classic Crytek just overcorrecting

[muted rain]

Tbf, many stats were wrong or misleading

[muted rain]

I think this is also good, the romero should be the strongest shotgun in the game (range wise)

specially the hc, that sees very little use besides "haha im cheap"

[hot vigil]

Such as?

[muted rain]

Handcannons, special ammo, slug ranges etc

Hell, even know, some of them are flat out wrong (flechette), the event rival etc

[hot vigil]

Oh, I am looking at community sourced stats

[muted rain]

What it actually needs a fucking buff its nonironically the shotbolt, as it still doesnt headshot kill

Since the hs changes, you can get one tapped (you can test it yourself) by an small xbow with choke bombs

I was fighting a dude, killed his teammate, whatever

Headshoted me with shotbolt (probably, one of the most skilled primaries in game) through wallbang

he did 15 damage

Also, the localization (Idk if it is like that on english) is wrong

it displays as it was 2m

[hot vigil]

I mean, it is a wallbang and pellet spread/pellet headshot multiplier.

[muted rain]

He is shooting from that hole

not 2m

So either it is flatout wrong or the spanish localization sucks (most likely)

[muted rain]

It doesnt matter, a headshot should kill

[hot vigil]

That is now how pellets works in hunt lol

[muted rain]

Even a borheim through wood will kill you if it is HS

[hot vigil]

Shotgun pellets doesn't 1-tap kill

They deal modified damage

[muted rain]

You are stating the obvious, yes, they shoot pellets that dont have the HS modifier

Im stating that shotbolts needs a buff so HS can work

You are already picking a primary that is hard to use, with the hardest ammo to use (more dropoff, less ammo), paying for more

[hot vigil]

Again it was a wallbang, so he hit a surface a pellet or two hit the head deal its approiate damage

[muted rain]

You dont know much about shotbolt do you

[hot vigil]

I do

But look at your damage history

[muted rain]

Do you know its the tightest "shotgun" ingame right

[hot vigil]

It was a wallbang

[muted rain]

I have the clip bro he did not land 1 pellet xd

I should have been dead, and thats it

[hot vigil]

Gimme the clip

[muted rain]

Discord limitations, if not I would have sent it

Besides Id have to censor every name there is

[hot vigil]

Okay, but looking at damage history: He hit a wall, pellets went out and hit your head.

[muted rain]

Yes

I take cover in the right wall

he is in the hole, as stated before

That is also wrong

If you see he is "2m away" you are probably blind

[hot vigil]

Yeah, but the 2m is not from where he shot, but where the bolt landed.

[muted rain]

Highest base damage in all of the weapons in hunt (+400)

TIghest spread

Headshot wallbang

To deal 15

With a hard primary that needs a perk if played seriously, underperforming since the bow is somehow is better, with its ammo to wallbang lmao

[muted rain]

Obviously, dude

but the translation is wrong

[hot vigil]

That is why the damage history is saying 2m

[muted rain]

You seem to be having issues regarding what im talking about

The localization is wrong, I know why it displays 2m

It is wrong, same as with explosives

already posted this on ui feedback time ago

The explosive shows the distance from the guy, not the explosive itself

[hot vigil]

And shotbolt have the properties of buckshot, so they lose 60% damage when it pens wall.

[muted rain]

However this is also wrong in translation, as it says "distance from impact"

[muted rain]

Nice

Are you gonna keep saying 2 + 2 = 4?

[muted rain]

.

I know perfectly how it works

Im stating it needs a buff

[hot vigil]

I mean if you just hit directly with a shot to the head it kills no?

[muted rain]

A single shot weapon with an slow reload, projectile based, slower and the fact you need to buy it and a perk on a QM meta when spam runs the show

[muted rain]

No, depends, same as a buckshot shotgun

[hot vigil]

Shotbolt can already 1-tap to legs at infinte range (until the bolt despawns), that seems strong enough

[muted rain]

Not legs, lower torso and upper torso

[hot vigil]

It can 1-tap legs

[muted rain]

And it has the heaviest dropoff (not mentioning explosive) the xbow has to offer

[muted rain]

So can shotguns, so can pennyshot

[hot vigil]

Not at infinte range

Like this is why Shotbolt is good

So you cannot wallbang 1-tap headshot bc you don't hit all of your pellets seems okay

[muted rain]

You are missing the point

again a video explaining obvious things

yay

[muted rain]

Xbow is a dead weapon, more on this meta than ever probably

[hot vigil]

Shotbolt have always been and still is really strong

Again 1-tap any distance

any body part

No other weapon can do that.

[muted rain]

Right that is why so many people in 6* are running xbow shotbolt

please dude stop it

xddddd

[hot vigil]

Just because people ain't running it, doesn't make it less strong.
Yes it requires some learning to do with the drop.

But trust me it is very free when you learn that.

[muted rain]

False equivalence and an strawman, this is getting good

[hot vigil]

And yeah sure, not many are running it 6 star, but WHEN someone is running crossbow, they are running shotbolt

[muted rain]

entirely missing the point

[muted rain]

No, they are running steel bolt double

[hot vigil]

Never see that lol

See more shotbolt than steel

[muted rain]

and that is only cause explosive with mosin gunrunner isnt a thing

[muted rain]

You never see the meta ammo on the xbow (dead weapon, already rare to see)

strange

[hot vigil]

Again, more shotbolt than steelbolt

[hardy nymph]

Same

[hot vigil]

Only reason I see less shotbolt nowadays is bc it is slightly bugged.

And yes it is weaker now with the pen changes, but that is all shotguns more or less.

But if I just needed to hit a couple of pellets on the head for a 1-tap, holy shit I wouldn't play anything else lol

[muted rain]

Considering it is the tighest by far, it is not so different as playing a romero slug

[hot vigil]

Sluge =/= buckshot

[muted rain]

The spread isnt anything to boast about, test it on a wall

[muted rain]

Read, slowly

Test the spread on a wall and see

[hot vigil]

Thru a pen?

Or just shoot at the wall?

[muted rain]

No, just to see the spread

On a wall, randomly

Tighest spread

[hot vigil]

You talking about deviation?

[muted rain]

???

Spread = / = deviation (or drop whatever)

[hot vigil]

Okay, but shotbolt doesn't have spread unless it pens?

[muted rain]

Yay!!! We reached the point where one can understand that it plays similary to a romero slug

coincidentally the same point I brought up 5 mins ago

[hot vigil]

Okay, but here is the thing: It still doesn't mean it can 1 tap thru a wall because WHEN you hit a wall, the pellets on the otherside SPREADS

[muted rain]

2 + 2 = 4

p v q

nice

is the night dark?

the water wet, by chance?

[muted rain]

I didnt even say any of this, btw

[hot vigil]

So you want if you pen a wall, if any pellets hits the head it is 1-tap?

[muted rain]

I want headshots to kill, specially on a high skill weapon that nobody uses that requires the purchase and use of an specific ammo

[hot vigil]

Okay, but how many pellets do you need to hit to net a kill???

[muted rain]

Now if you have read properly and tested it yourself, 2M isnt enough for the tighest spread in the game to not-kill

It is just that shotbolt is a poorly done copy-pasted buckshot attributted ammo

[hot vigil]

Okay, but like... shotbolt have good amount of spread when it pens

[muted rain]

I just said "hey, in this QM meta auto 4 long rifle avto, slug fest etc" it would be nice if a high skill weapon that has long downtimes and its outclassed by a medium weapon by its raw ammo (lol) could benefit from a buff

[muted rain]

Test it, 2m

[hot vigil]

Like this is the spread on 3m

[muted rain]

Further than 2m, and no way in hell that does 15 damage

[muted rain]

The point was this

[hot vigil]

This 3m yes, but look how random the spread is.

[muted rain]

On a +400 damage weapon, at 2m you should be dead if you are wallbanged, honestly

Specially on headshots which naturally needs more skill but its easier to copy-paste shotgun attributes

That is my critique

Shotbolt should have its own properties, not be a lazy control c control v of buckshot

[hot vigil]

Here is 2m spread.
Tell me again, how many of these pellets should hit the head for it to be a "1-tap"

[muted rain]

this will land on the same dummy, at least 3 or 4

look for a wooden wallbang and headshot the dummy

There is no way you do 15 damage

[hot vigil]

Well that depends on the RNG, but we can do the math :)

[muted rain]

No, its the hunter size

of course its rng, like all buckshot

2 + 2 = 4 again

[muted rain]

A headshot with this rare weapon that needs prerequisites should kill

thats it

and yet again, the translation is poorly done (well, straight up wrong to be precise)

well done crytek

You are getting wallbanged by a single shot weapon with huge downtime that needs (in order to kill) an specific ammo type that nerfs many aspects of the gun (like ms, important on projectiles). Not only that the guy headshots you but he is rewarded by 15 damage

It is just silly, my man

Perhaps on 2018 it was another history, but now, with the weapons there are

Its just dumb

"but it was wallbang" yes the dude did the more skilled thing imaginable with its primary and yet he could have killed me with an small xbow with chokes via headshot (removing the fact it doesnt wallbang)

Because the shotbolt is listed as (what I said) copy of buckshot instead of a projectile (that does kill on HS)

[hot vigil]

There are 14 pellets.
We know the true damage value of shotbolt bc it how it works (damage dealt at 0m), which is 454 damage.
So that is roughly 32.4 damage per pellet.
We know that the headshot multiplier for shotguns are x1.5.
So to "1-tap" with a shotbolt at least 4 pellets.
But then we have the damage reduction thru wood, that shaves 60% damage off, so now the damage is roughly 19.44 damage per pellet, which in turns means that the total amount of pellets needed to "1-tap" someone is 6 pellets :)
All in the head.
So my question is how many pellets do you think needs to hit the head to be "1-tap"?

[muted rain]

Can you read my guy

[hot vigil]

I was busy doing math :V

[muted rain]

Math we both know

again 2 + 2 = 4

[hardy nymph]

quick maths

[muted rain]

Ill leave you to it then

[hot vigil]

And well, dunno man, still wanna know how many pellet do you think should hit for it to be a 1-tap?

[muted rain]

Read

You literally have the answer above

[hot vigil]

Again you haven't given an answer, just saying you want it to 1-tap headshot thru walls no?

[muted rain]

I did, you havent read the message

I even told you the pellets I think it would take

But you cant read

[hot vigil]

And that was 6

Which is what will 1-tap rn

[muted rain]

No, I didnt say that, and "how it works" isnt my problem but "how it should be cataloged as"

[hot vigil]

What do you mean with that?

[muted rain]

(as a projectile with its own statistics, not a copy of buckshot)

Already stated this like 3 times

Not gonna answer again

feels like daft punk saying around the world but less funkier

[hot vigil]

So you want it act like slug?

[muted rain]

It is technically a projectile, like it or not

A type of bolt

[hot vigil]

It is until it hit something

[muted rain]

Yes, and then it turns into buckshot control c control v

Is the sky blue?

Mine is pretty orange rn

[hot vigil]

Like my dude, I am REALLY trying to understand what you want it to do

[hardy nymph]

You know you are supposed to go away from wildfires?

[muted rain]

no inferno rn im safe

they havent implemented it yet

[hardy nymph]

Thank god, bet it'll come with the next patch tho

[muted rain]

Again (4th time?) I already stated it like 4-5 times, not gonna repeat myself

If you want to know, read the messages (slowly), if you dont, dont

Pretty simple to me

[hot vigil]

You want it to headshot, which shotbolt can?

[muted rain]

(????)

Remember the part where I said "read slowly"

[hot vigil]

That was your first statement of all this?

[muted rain]

that is also important

Keep reading

[hot vigil]

Again, I read it, 4 times over. You claim that shotbolt cannot headshot? Or there were a dude that headshotted you but it didn't kill you right?

Or at least shotbolt doesn't always headshot

When it wallbangs?

[muted rain]

At this point is gotta be ragebaiting right

you cannot be serious

nah dude you win

i give up

white flag