feedback-discussion

[muted rain]

XD

Asia where was it based? Singapour? Hong kong? Korea?

How much ms do you have?

[grave wraith]

idk, i usually get around 120-150ms on asia

[muted rain]

lol

[unborn sandal]

You downvoted the last 4 suggestions you’ve voted on

[muted rain]

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-gif-19621124

150 ms dropping o ut of a building

goofy aaa

peek my man you will win

[austere cove]

Hmmm Fair point, i wish they had it enabled so each response in that channel could have it's own thread, that way people could discuss what they think is good or bad about an idea, rather than just "Good Idea" "I'll think about it" or "Bad Idea"

[muted rain]

They should categorize first levels of importance and relevance, what needs urgent fixes and what not

[austere cove]

Is there a stated reason why they don't allow thread responses on things in #game-ideas ?

[grave wraith]

It certainly is nice being able to play aggressive

[muted rain]

i want less trades and play with people near my region, not that they fix first the new rival slugs d amage

[acoustic iron]

Because some people just like being negitve for no reason

[grave wraith]

People are hesitant when it comes to changing their favourite game ofc

[muted rain]

bullet drop will kill hunt aaaa

[grave wraith]

Usually the downvoted new addition suggestions are ones that say to make a huge change

[muted rain]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[grave wraith]

Bullet drop is fine although I still find it extremely unintuitive

I don't really play at that range anyway

[muted rain]

its poorly placed

say it like it is

same as when fighting an extraction

the sign is terrible

middle of the screen, near crosshair

who thought of that

needs to take a walk

and come back to rework things

also the issue that some drops on some weapons doesnt make sense

but that is another topic

[grave wraith]

I hate the deafening ring sound when you pass through the locked extract in midde

[muted rain]

somebody thought, yeah, this is necesary

[grave wraith]

Jumpscare

[muted rain]

should add it and keep it

[grave wraith]

Uppercut drop XD

[acoustic iron]

Every time I hear i think I died to a headshot out of nowhere lol

[muted rain]

idk as much cause uppercut is meta at the end of the day

but for some weapons its silly

[austere cove]

Do you mean a huge change in the way the game is developed or built? or a huge change in the way people play the game?

[grave wraith]

Uppercut is barely meta anymore imo. Bullet drop, trueshot and damage nerf hit it hard

[grave wraith]

In general. Big changes are approached with caution and need lots of reasoning

[muted rain]

everyone is either running upper or dolch mate

what are you talking

XD

same ol

sometimes conversion fmj or officer, but thats it

pax trueshot too but not as prominent as upper

i see more officers than paxes

[acoustic iron]

Yeah its the same pistols on console but with alot more bows and shotguns

[muted rain]

and waaay more upper

xd

[muted rain]

Yeah console is a totally diferent world

[austere cove]

How would you define a Big change? Does adding a single item or trait count as a big change?
I can see how some peoples suggestions for solo necro, as an example, would be big changes to the gameplay loop

I just don't think i'm seeing that many "big changes"
Looks to me like its a lot more small changes than big ones, people just don't like changes period if the downvotes are believed

[grave wraith]

It's dolch P and auto 4

[muted rain]

im talking about pistols (small)

[grave wraith]

Quartermaster meta

[muted rain]

well i encounter most of the times same old loadouts of big small

mosin upper

mosin dolch

avto

[grave wraith]

Yeah pistols aren't so meta with how strong quartermaster loadouts are right now

[muted rain]

c&k upper

zzzz

[grave wraith]

Uppercut is up there though

[acoustic iron]

It's probably the most picked single slot weapon on pc from what ive seen

[muted rain]

sad how quartermaster has deviated

used to be fun

winfield perked with a romero hatcher or some shi

now its same shi

[acoustic iron]

On console its probably katan tho

[muted rain]

it is

they nerfed, whined about it, and reversed it

[grave wraith]

I see way more dolch

[muted rain]

it has been op since it came out

more popular than dolch for the pen, price, accuracy etc

dolch fills other roles

dont make me write in suggestions "remove all type of ammos from dolch"

[grave wraith]

Wdym "accuracy"

[muted rain]

long range dps, falloff etc

different roles entirely

dolch is used to compensate a rifle most of the times

you wont find easily (on eu 6* at least) a shotgunner with a dolch

[grave wraith]

And how did they revert the nerf

[muted rain]

more damage

[grave wraith]

Isn't it still 123 damage

[muted rain]

i dont remember, but they buffed it back again

it was on patch notes

[grave wraith]

What so it's 125+ now? Was pretty sure it isn't anymore?

[muted rain]

last even i think, or the first one 1896 had

dont use uppercut, it bores me to death

sometimes i do but meh

i avoid playing meta

at all cost

hunt tried also to deviate into all rounders meta but it sucked

the uppermat and all that

drilling short etc

which btw has more sway

never play the short variant, always the axe

which has a weird delay when swinging the axe, unlike the romero

(still not fixed)

[acoustic iron]

Im personally a scottfeild precision lover myself

[muted rain]

6/12 ammo and FMJ velocity kills me

i like the spitfire

but base scotfield i hate it

[grave wraith]

You on gunslinger?

[muted rain]

there is a reason why they give it for free

yeah

since long ago

gunslinger is more agro

used to suck, but now it has all the options hunter has

no downside

[grave wraith]

Gunslinger causes some weird delays when meleeing if you don't lower your gun first

[acoustic iron]

It's the jank way you pull back the hammer that kills the base scottfeild for me

[austere cove]

Is there a way to see the statistics for game-wide item or trait usage?
Like, For each hunter that makes it to 50, what traits are most likely to be unused, which traits are most commonly taken, and the order in which those are taken so we can get a sense of priority?

Might be interesting if for no other reason than to see the "survivorship bias" of things and maybe give a look at whats being unused, then maybe figure out why its unused and adjust it or remove it based on reasonings?

[muted rain]

never happened with any weapon besides the drilling hatchet

(for me)

and trust me i run officer carabine melees and shi

romero talon etc

[grave wraith]

You don't always notice

[muted rain]

no no, the delay is significant

test it in training grounds

with 150 ms you wont notice dude

xd

[grave wraith]

Try lowering your weapon before meleeing with it

See if the delay is still there

[grave wraith]

Ms doesn't give any input delay thankfully

[muted rain]

it happens only with drilling hatchet im saying

test it

[grave wraith]

Yea ik but does it happen if you lower it first

[muted rain]

and if you are going to melee somebody you dont press q to then melee

nah nah

it only happens with one weapon, its a bug

simple

[grave wraith]

I'm not arguing that it's not a bug I'm just wondering about the specifics of it

[muted rain]

i use all type of melee attachment (besides some bayonets and katana zzz)

im telling you, only happens with drilling hatchet

one of the reasons drilling sucks, besides pricing

the weird delay it has when switching to shotgun

uppermat or lemat dont have it

swap way faster

overly expensive weapon, but i understand

if they buffed it its another allrounder with 0 iq needed

i dont even know why it has flechette

is useless beyond belief

always buckshot or slug

dont bother with pennyshot, it sucks (drilling)

penny only on romero/specter or if you are feeling wild on auto5

never on medium cannon shotties

[grave wraith]

Penny only on nothing imo

[muted rain]

slept ammo

is not that bad

of course it sucks on shorter shotguns

but on long shotties it aint bad

it saves you from the sometimes 135 in one

type of scenario

with romero (long) is very good

I always run that when im going cheap

Romero slugs so i can pen or most importantly headshot

and penny or buckshot

depending if im bringing the pocket penny or not

then a pistol of your choice

everything works, from officer to upper

avoid scotfield or base nagant (or silencers)

and its fine

(i play trios only btw)

duos on eu 6* are way too campy and you get thirdparty (or 6th partied) often

(exageration but you get me)

[grave wraith]

It makes it more forgiving if your aim is a bit off center ig

[muted rain]

It is better for closer fights, simply as that

also great breaching tool for quick wipes

since adad on a roof against guys with +130 ping isnt fun you gotta play agro

(then you will trade)

[grave wraith]

I just don't find it worth it to sacrifice my range for an easier ohk at a range that I can already ohk pretty easily

[muted rain]

Sometimes, as I said, only bring it on romero and sometimes (rarely) specter

it will surprise you

the 2 shot is very reliable at ranges

is not slug ofc

test 1 shot with romero at training ground with penny

it doesnt sacrifice that much, and helps you with CQC because bigger crosshair

idk just bring something with the romero (other than flares lol)

there is always utility to be spent on multiple ammo weapons

even on martini

[grave wraith]

I'm a dragons breath enjoyer personally

Ik it's not amazing but i think it's also underrated

[muted rain]

its a flechette ammo type, most of the times works because you are winning the fight regardless

and sucks against other shotgunners

db is precisely used with uppercut for example

and in spam shotguns most of the times

"memeing" with a perked terminus

[grave wraith]

Yea that's fair, it's just when you do get a down they're super dead instead of just dead because you already dealt like 100 burn damage and their body is burning

[muted rain]

(because people lost the meaning of meme)

[muted rain]

yeah ik

but suffers worst fate than pennyshot, inconcistency

specially with med ammo shotgun lenghts

like rival

sometimes you tap a guy at 6m

sometimes you need 4 shots

[grave wraith]

Yeah I only recommend it on specific shotguns

[muted rain]

yeah

specter is kinda meme (i expect to be stronger now) and terminus pretty much

[grave wraith]

Rival is actually one of my go-tos, because if the first shot doesn't work out you can go for another instantly.

And still ohk consistently at point blank

[muted rain]

yeah but at point blank everything works its the problem xd

you can perfectly loose against a pennyshot derringer

then whats the point of running shotgun

nah

even with flechette that has wrong stats in nearly every shotgun

its like duh

i like the idea of converting a shotgun into a mid close distance weapon

but the reality it is doesnt work

because slug exists

same reasoning as poison vs dumdum etc

or fire vs dumdum

if available, why apply status when you can kill?

yeah, for fun and shi (we are no the same boat), but people play the same boring aaah meta loadouts

[grave wraith]

If you miss the headshot, applying status can help you push and finish off tbf

[muted rain]

back to the point i already made

if that works, you were already winning the fight regardless

[acoustic iron]

Bleed ammo is so annoying and could really be toned down imo

[muted rain]

so returns to the question then-why-use-that-ammo

hence why it is dead

[muted rain]

true, only heavy bleed should be the springfield

[grave wraith]

Howcome?

[muted rain]

or the manynard perhaps

one shotrifles with downtime

[muted rain]

they cant balance it on spam weapons, and its another 0 iq thing

hence the reason what happened with dolch or officer

they simply cant balance it

[grave wraith]

Nono check the message I was replying to

[muted rain]

it should make light bleed

[grave wraith]

Not talking about dumdum on spam

[muted rain]

Applying status

You burn a guy

how many times were you in an actual 1vs1 against another shotguner

[grave wraith]

Too many to count

[muted rain]

if the player is good he will ignore the fire because he can tap you

regardless

even if he is 1 hp

unless he is bleeding, which forces him to stop

poison is good in teamfights, but thats it

(heavily countered on events regardless)

and flechette is gorbo

"yeah it works on spam shotguns"

[acoustic iron]

Thank god

[grave wraith]

True, which is why you mix it up between pushing and hanging back

Leave them uncertain whether they are safe to stop it or not

And if they leave it burning too long or don't get you if you hang back enough, you can just play range and finish with 125dmg

[muted rain]

what doesnt work on spam shotguns

[muted rain]

Doesnt work that way over here

if you get killed you dont get back up

[grave wraith]

Why is that relevant

[muted rain]

Because sacrificing your OHK to burn is useless

you will loose against experienced shotgunners

its very specific situations where you do benefit

either he misses blatantly

or he isnt even aiming at you

at that point everything works

so its pointless

there is a reason why the ammo is dead og

[grave wraith]

Or if you are at mid range

[muted rain]

what is mid range for you?

because rival db mid range

xd

20 burn damage?

You see here is popular (as cheap) sparks with fire ammo because of charcoal

same effect

without sacrificing a shotgunner

its been literally ages since i dont see a rival db or flechette

only buckshot slugs

[grave wraith]

Dragons breath can ignite to like 30m if you're lucky, but it's inconsistent. However, the second shot will almost always ignite

In this instance, I refer to mid range as any range past buckshot ohk

[muted rain]

So its useless

[hot vigil]

Case of why Dragons Breath sucks:

[muted rain]

outside ohk anything with fire will do the job

a borheim match with fire outclasses you easily

and you cant tap him

Xd

a fire sparks will ignite you and 1 ohk until charcoal passes

same result

[grave wraith]

Ah yes yes but that requires aim 🤮

[muted rain]

see, a terminus bot

[muted rain]

its easy bro wym

[muted rain]

glad to see they are testing the hunter AI

[hot vigil]

Even with the same questionable aim, he would at least have gotten me on the 3rd tap with buck, if not the the 2nd lol

[muted rain]

no

you would have get clicked by the 1st shot

you are at like 5m

you are getting domed by the first shot

Xd

you are at 2tap derringer pennyshot distance

this is how bad it is

and well the 2nd shot is the nail in the coffin

[grave wraith]

I'm jk, but the difference between something like bornheim incen and db is that db is more versatile in CQC and can be shot in the general direction of the enemy without even thinking or taking time to aim

Also body burning and more burn damage

But anyway I should go for a sec good chat

[muted rain]

but db moment

[hot vigil]

First shot went to the legs

[muted rain]

take care

[muted rain]

5m you are dead

even at the legs

test it

terminus buckshot

[hot vigil]

This is pre-2.0 shotguns

[muted rain]

lower torso legs

[hot vigil]

That is my point

[muted rain]

ah, rng

[hot vigil]

that buckshot would at least have done two bad shots into a kill shot.
But this guy hit me 4 times without getting a kill

[muted rain]

i dont know whats worse

the guy missing all that, db trolling, him not using his brain, getting butt with a martini marksman in the head

[hot vigil]

Sometimes the bayou just be wild like that

[visual lake]

At least he killed half of your hp

[muted rain]

in a event where you can get all your bars for one point

(1)

great...

not to mention if he ever extracted with bounty gets his hp back

meanwhile the terminus guy loses everything

xd

[visual lake]

This is an old clip

[hot vigil]

I can fight back from missing 75hp, they cannot come back of being dead

[muted rain]

true true i forgot

i will be adding fire because i feel bad for him

hopefully that removes your 75 hp

[hot vigil]

Also this was tide of desolation, so we had remedy, final gasp and rampage

AND we were on the 2nd non-banished bounty

[visual lake]

Yeah, events trivialize so many things

I just want to play regular hunt for a bit

[grave wraith]

Or just don't have those silly things in events

Stuff like tarot cards are perfect

Gtg again now

[grave wraith]

@austere cove you can use this channel to discuss suggestions already. That said, threads would be much more organized.

[acoustic iron]

@twin moss the mosin is already strong it doesn't need any experimental bull crap especially if it causes bleed that would be extremely cancer and unfun

[twin moss]

DMs please.

[unborn sandal]

I can’t tell if that is a meme suggestion or if you’re serious

[grave wraith]

what suggestion

[unborn sandal]

Most recent one

[grave wraith]

oh

why would that be a meme

[acoustic iron]

Because it's simply dumb and a bad idea

[unborn sandal]

Mosin is already the meta weapon and they want to give it literal hitscan dum dum with “infinite pen”

And then it costs 5000 hd

How is that not a joke

[grave wraith]

thats a lot

[acoustic iron]

Yeah don't bother with them they are just a troll

[unborn sandal]

that doesn’t justify it it’s just a meme amount

[twin moss]

Hello brothers.

I understand your concern about my suggestion

[twin moss]

Fake news.

[grave wraith]

is that an ai screenshot

[twin moss]

I commend your talent with Photoshop though.

[acoustic iron]

Huh

Trolling for no reason is lame just stop

[grave wraith]

how do you get your chat window pure black like that 🤔

[acoustic iron]

By chamging the theme to dark

[grave wraith]

i am on dark mode it's just not that dark

maybe screenshot/aiimage/whateveritis looks darker

[twin moss]

Is that an option on discord?

I think you're using some sort of application modifier

Is that allowed?

[grave wraith]

oh enjoy spain bro

[twin moss]

Yeah I was about to say

[hot vigil]

@twin moss sorry.. but why the fuck do you think "Spitzer, but even more broken" would be a good idea lol

[twin moss]

Where in Spain will you be visiting?

[unborn sandal]

Trolling

[acoustic iron]

The hell are yall on about

Spain?

[twin moss]

Guys why is everybody attacking me?

[acoustic iron]

Because trolls are cringe

[twin moss]

You know I can file a complaint to the moderators, right?

Cyberbullying is not allowed

[unborn sandal]

The mods are gonna remove your post for troll/low effort

[twin moss]

Low effort?

[unborn sandal]

They aren’t gonna side with you

[acoustic iron]

And we can aswell for you trolling i literally have proof

[twin moss]

I took my time to write it

Leave me alone man

[grave wraith]

this not your dms?

[twin moss]

My post is not low effort

[acoustic iron]

No its sample dms to see the effect the theme has

[grave wraith]

oh lol

[twin moss]

But why not show us your own ones

Are you hiding something there?

Like the AI application that you used

[acoustic iron]

Because thats unnecessary

[unborn sandal]

It’s a default discord option

[austere cove]

I figured that's why this channel was here but unless you're talking about one of the last 5 to 10 suggestions in #game-ideas it seems like it would be difficult to track which ones you're already talking about.

Plus it would also give a lot more bulk text associated with each idea that gets thread'd so that its easier to search if someone else already had your idea and whether or not it was well recieved

[grave wraith]

maybe edit your suggestion to include that

[austere cove]

@knotty tundra I'm curious why you think threads for expanded discussion would be a bad idea?

[hot vigil]

Dunno feel like the @ system here in this channel works fine if people wanna ask in about a specific idea or whatnot.

[austere cove]

But it could be better

[hot vigil]

Dunno if I feel it would be better, it would make overviewing game ideas much more cluttered

[austere cove]

Well, that's why it'd be Threads. Anyone who wanted to discuss further could enter the thread. Anyone who wanted to ignore a topic just refrains from entering the thread. This won't introduce an inconvenience to people who don't want to discuss ideas further, but it would be a convenience to those who do.

[hot vigil]

Again, personally don't like threads for the reason given, it gets cluttered.
Also it kinda just insulate discussion in a way where there will be given less inputs overall

[grave wraith]

@fair portal what differentiates this from vetterli

[fair portal]

i dont see the vetterli comparison its more like a medium ammo label

or a bolt action centennial like how the marathon is a pump action ranger

[hot vigil]

The way I see it, it is a balancing nightmare.
The Vetterli and Cenny is already competing neck to neck of being the medium rifle due to really similar stats.
Most coming down to cycle rate.

So for the Murata to have a place it needs more than just vague damage and MV listed.

Also its recorded MV is 437m/s

[fair portal]

thats for the single shot murata in 11mm the one i posted is the type 22 repeater in 8mm

[hot vigil]

Fair nuff

[fair portal]

im sure the devs could find a way to balance it thats why i left it vague but i can guess it would have a slower cycle rate of 1.7 or 1.8 it would for certain have wasteful reloads unlike the vett or cent and the rifle version would have a 1+7 tube magazine that would have a slow reload since it uses a label like action and magazine

[hot vigil]

And what price range?

[fair portal]

thats prob the biggest issue. you can either make it cost more than the vett but less than the cent at about 145 if it does less than 125 damage but if it does more than 125 damage you can make it 180 to 220

[hot vigil]

So the thing is, if it deals less than 125 damage, there would never be a reason to pick this rifle over the Cenny.

If it deals 125 damage there is a big risk of it out-compete the Vetterli.
That said, with slower cycle rate and technically lower damage, it would still would still have a spot as a: "125+ damage marksman rifle".
I would say it should NEVER get the option for either FMJ or HV then, as it would just quickly intrude into either Cenny or Vetterli's space.

[grave wraith]

so... a vetterli

[hot vigil]

So basically my write-up for the gun:
Murata t22:
Price: 128
Size: 3-slot
Ammo type: Medium
Ammo total: 8+1, 15 in reserve (24 total)
Damage: 128
Drop range: 155m
Cycle time: 1.8s (1.6s with Iron Eye)
Reload time: 18s
Vertical recoil: 7
Muzzle velocity: 560m/s
Suggested variants: Bayonet & Marksman (tho couldn't find any recordings of such rifle having any form for scopes).
Suggested custom ammo: Poison, fire and MAYBE Dum Dum.
NOTE: Requires Bullet Grubber for non-wasteful reloads.
Gun gets the benefit for getting quite "straight flying bullets" with its high bullet drop, but no special ammo (HV/FMJ) that can make it better at doing what Cenny and Vetterli does. Otherwise many of its other stats are basically "between Cenny and Vetterli" stats.
Very much a cheap'ish "long ammo at home" rifle.
@fair portal

[grave wraith]

wouldn't 8+1, 15 make it 23 total because guns spawn in with their + round unloaded

[hot vigil]

Think as it is listed on the Hunt gg wiki, the +1 is included in the total ammo :)

[grave wraith]

@acoustic iron i would say maybe explosive instead of hv? would be unique and fit the weapon more, seeing as it was used to kill large predators, and explosive ammo is perfect for exactly that

[fair portal]

agree with you on everything but Muzzle velocity it should be its historic MV of 560m/s. 520m/s should be the max for the 2 lot version and on the special ammo i would give it FMJ instead of Dum Dum

[acoustic iron]

Could go ahead and also have it have dum dum aswell and have it be the first gun to have all ammo types

[hot vigil]

Oh that is just me miswriting lol

[grave wraith]

eh, dumdum with that damage might be a bit strong for a pistol
and im not a huge fan of customammo-flation

[hot vigil]

And also I wont give it FMJ bc then it quickly just becomes: "Vetterli, but better"

[acoustic iron]

Well then which would you rather swap explosive for hv or fmj

[grave wraith]

I'd say HV personally. Personally I'm not a huge fan of custom ammo that takes away from the identity of a weapon

to me the lancaster is a high firepower close-mid range pistol

[acoustic iron]

Alright yeah that makes since and if it had explosive it would be a really good pair with the Springfield

[grave wraith]

not that you have to add that to your suggestion. I'm just giving my input on what a lancaster looks like in my world.

[acoustic iron]

No i completely agree

[hot vigil]

Did a write-up of that gun a while ago, tho I didn't considered what custom ammo it would get:
Name: Lancaster Pistol (more correct than a Howdah Pistol).
Stats:
Cost - N/A
Capacity - 4/12 medium bullet.
Damage - 120
Cycle Time - Around 1s (most unsure about this one)
Vertical Recoil - 16
Spread - 45
Sway - 128
Reload Speed - 4 seconds (from empty)
Muzzle Velocity - 230m/s

Basically you get high damage shots, but slow Muzzle Velocity and high recoil.
It is kinda a mix between a Pax Trueshot (recoil and damage) and Spitfire (Fire rate).
The low ammo count and in the gun (and reserve) makes missed shots less forgiven, but the 120 damage means you can 2-tap, upper-chest + arm, up to 40'ish meter.

The hardest balance point for me is if it should be closer to Spitfire (0.6s) or Pax (1.4s) when it comes to cycle speed.
Think 1s cycle speed puts it in a good spot where it out muscles the Pax, but doesn't makes the Spitfire irrelevant.

Also before bullet drop was a thing lol

[inland forge]

I'd like Derringer Uppercut.

I want to dually derringers

[acoustic iron]

Definitely wouldn't be long ammo but would function pretty close

[fair portal]

the thing about giving it dum dum is that people would take it over the cent because of the dum dum ammo since cent dum dum is scarce. but i think the Murata would be fine with just incendiary and poison

[grave wraith]

i did one with your help ages ago, though I'm not sure about the stats I came up with anymore. I think we can all agree that we do want a lancaster is general though

#game-ideas message

maybe i should just link that to not flood chat actually

[hot vigil]

Cenny Dum Dum is scary due to the cycle rate, this gun is MUCH slower in that regard :)

[fair portal]

true thats a good point

[hot vigil]

Think it was a combined effort, tho still think 120 damage is a little more fair than 123, but not a hill worth dying on.

[grave wraith]

yea 3 damage difference doesnt really matter i just think it would be more authentic to the gun's purpose irl

[acoustic iron]

I just said 100 to 125 because it depends on what its fire rate would be

[hot vigil]

Like springy ain't an issue and even not drilling with much quicker double tap.
It is a mix of big bullet reserve and fast enough cycle time that makes heavy bleed on medium ammo scary.
Cenny was good because you could cycle 2-3 extra shots before the enemy got to cover.
Where this gun might get 1, if lucky 2 shots in.

[acoustic iron]

And considering its hammerless semi automatic it would be decently fast

[grave wraith]

i forget, what's the arm 2 shot damage breakpoint with new limb damage

[hot vigil]

109 damage I think

[grave wraith]

and legs is 122? 123?

not that it matters, no one is hitting legs

[hot vigil]

Sorry it is 84 for arms

[grave wraith]

oh i didnt realize it was that low

[hot vigil]

94 for legs

Oh yeah limb damage buffs were wild lmao

Arms are 0.9

legs 0.8

[grave wraith]

oh that's insane

[hot vigil]

So a 123 damage medium ammo pistol can 2-tap arms up to... 63m?

[grave wraith]

if you're hitting that with 230mv, good on you tbh

but yeah thats pretty crazy

didnt realize how extreme the limb buffs were

[inland forge]

An uppercut for derringer ammo is medium in my head

[acoustic iron]

[twin moss]

@fair portal Brother why did you delete your suggestion and re-post it?

Was it because it was overshadowed by other suggestions after yours

Does that mean I should delete my marvelous suggestion and repost it too?

[inland forge]

Pffft

[acoustic iron]

Just delete it nothing else

[crystal plume]

@tiny cobalt While forums are nice for organizing things, they are awful for moderating

We are already considering sunsetting #1052341761575489566 for that reason

[white plover]

^

What Diiba has said for it

@modest ether It's not necessarily just a matter of whether they can or can't enable crossplay between consoles and PC but also whether it's a good idea to do so or not

[small pasture]

Special Items/Skins for everyone who bought the Vinyl. Change my mind.

[white plover]

I'd say probably not the best idea to take advantage of fomo in that manner

[flat fog]

Heyyy thats okay i was just making sure i'm not talking to a wall, good to know 😄

[carmine needle]

You're not 😅 they do check it to get an idea of what people feel about stuff

[muted rain]

Actual trolling

S(pain) visits you, not the other way around

[unborn sandal]

I was just in Spain. Barcelona was nice but everything else I could have skipped imo

Please crytek I need it

[muted rain]

South is better overall

[inland forge]

People complaining about Hanged Man when the Devil just out here vibing.

[fresh sedge]

I think the MMR needs a rework. Like no new content until it gets worked on. I don't want to sound mean because I'm not angry, but it's frustrating how unbalanced teams are

Yes, most of the time you don't get to win

But my friend and I don't even get a chance to fight back before we're killed

I love what this game is, I want to enjoy it

But it's difficult to find enjoyment when a guy in what looks like a gator ghillie suit takes potshots at you from inside a bush or whatever

Or fighting players who have bounties in the millions

So far, with my friend, we have had one successful bounty, and have been playing for dozens of rounds

[regal cape]

Takes all kinds, I guess. I'm the guy in the gator suit in the bush and I feel the game has taken a lot of turns to make my playstyle obsolete as of late.

[fresh sedge]

It's an example but you know what I mean

You're dead before you have a chance to so much as find the shooter or aim to shoot back

[regal cape]

Can happen yes. Have you started playing during the event by chance?

I find gameplay is a lot more relaxed during the non-event times, when all the power gamers and sweatlords have retreated back to their caves, when there's no new shiny to keep them interested.

[fresh sedge]

Yes I got this game 3 days ago

[inland forge]

I'm the run at em and dump lead player and I've enjoyed a lot of the changes.

I've almost used none of the cards though. I'm the only one with enough map familiarity to probably make use of Hanged Man. But all it really is is a better stalker beetle. So I'll pass.

[fresh sedge]

How long is the event going to last?

[inland forge]

Somn like 50 60 days

[fresh sedge]

oh that's going to be hell

[inland forge]

Your mmr problem ain't tied to the event. Its just how the game is rn.

My guess is you're playing at low hours where it just groups you with whoever regardless of mmr.

[fresh sedge]

I'm playing right now

I kind of came back to talk about MMR right after I got got by a lvl 100

[inland forge]

Level or prestige?

[fresh sedge]

Level

Presteige is the medal icon right?

[inland forge]

If it's lvl 100, that's nothing. You can get lvl 100 very quickly, like within days. Prestige is the medal, yes. If they have 100 prestige, pack your bags. People will say "They're no different than normal players." but they have well over 2000 hours so they'll just stomp you with superior tactics and aim.

[fresh sedge]

it's players with more experience than me anyway

Like, idk where to check hours played but it definitely isn't more than 50

Way less

[inland forge]

You're not likely to ever be against people who aren't lvl 100 or haven't prestiged. The game has been out for a long time. You'll just have to get better.

[regal cape]

To be fair, Hunt is pretty unique in how it plays and the learning curve is harsh.

I'd still put your experience down to the event being on. Give it some time.

[fresh sedge]

Okay so is prestiege like another lvl 100?

[inland forge]

Yeah. Every time you hit lvl 100 you can prestige, going back to lvl1.

[fresh sedge]

I just got killed by a lvl 94 with 5 prestiege

[inland forge]

So when you get to like the 20 prestige, that'll be someone with crazy hours in the game.

[fresh sedge]

Someone who hasn't felt grass in their hand since Covid

[fresh sedge]

get good isn't an excuse for matchmaking like this though

If it was people en par with me I could try out new strategies or tactics, or even shooting

It's hard to do that when you AND your friend both got killed

[inland forge]

The only metric insofar as I know as far as sorting players is based entirely on mmr, not level or prestige. Like unless the game is throwing you up against 5 stars while you and the boys are at 2, it isn't doing anything wrong. Those kind of lopsided matches happen during dead hours.

[fresh sedge]

How is late Wednesday afternoon dead hours though

[inland forge]

Are they putting you up against 5-6 stars while you guys are in the lower brackets?

[regal cape]

That's a valid question.
What sort of star level do you play against mostly?

[fresh sedge]

3-4s

But I still see high level sweats here

It's a mix of that and my friend and I still trying to figure this game out

[inland forge]

What MMR are you guys?

[fresh sedge]

We're both 2

[inland forge]

Game shouldn't be throwing you against fours. But sometimes it do be lopsided.

[fresh sedge]

It's strange to me that a level like 100 + prestiege 1 is a 3

Like what? He got a really bad KD and gets to seal club?

[inland forge]

Some people intentionally mess up their KD. But this isn't a case of that. Its just how MMR works. Its the environment you're in, play slow and get better. There's really nothing they can do aside from further segregating an already small game, which will just give emptier lobbies.

[fresh sedge]

It could be that the system alienates some newbies who might have wanted to try it? It's happened before

[empty oasis]

@flat fog #feedback message
If you've hit p100 and still struggle with, or dont know how to make, money then thats on you instead of on the game
Money is extremely easy to make in vanilla, much less during events where there's sealed registers.
You also have to learn how to budget to your abilities. If you arent regularly wiping lobbies then you shouldnt be running $1000+ loadouts every match

[tacit bear]

As a former Chicagoan, I love the idea of a post-fire Chicago map. That would be amazing. Awesome train tracks and open parks and stuff too. And the Chicago world fair was in 1893, so you could combine both the Devil in the White City vibe and the post-fire vibe. Great idea.

[hot vigil]

If you want fair matchmaking you need to get more people to play the game.
No matter how you make the MMR system, if you want full lobbies with the current playerbase size, they gonna be somewhat unfair.

[hasty horizon]

I want to recommend something that wasn't accepted by the community, but is it really such a bad idea to collaborate with certain movie characters? At least they're cult characters. In my opinion, it's not a bad idea to have Ghostface in the game.

[regal cape]

Ghostface I would reject, but there's plenty of western movie actors who'd be awesome additions.

Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill come to mind, given the german developer base
Any Clint Eastwood character ( or just Clint Eastwood, period)
There is a lot of opportunity in culture references

Hell, you wouldn't have to limit to movies. Get in touch with Rockstar and borrow some of the RDR2 characters. Can you imagine shooting up zombies playing as Arthur or Dutch? Would be a blast.

[grave wraith]

wdym "would" reject ghostface..?

You know he's already in the game, right?

[hasty horizon]

I insist that I don't think it's a bad idea to have characters like Ghostface. It's not like Crytek used Nicki Minaj, for example.

[regal cape]

I know, but what I actually want to say about that goes against server rules, so 😗

[grave wraith]

saying "would" implies that you would reject ghostface if he was in the game, but that he's not already

[hasty horizon]

Horror movie characters attract more customers and the game in question would have more people.

Also, I don't think your suggestions are a bad idea.

Mass audiences aren't good for what they can be, yes, I understand. But you have to know what kind of audience to bring to a game when it comes to collaborations, and that's where I think Crytek got it right.

[grave wraith]

I don't see why people got so worked up over it tbh

or, more that people are still worked up over it

i understood the concerns that they would go down a dangerous path but it seems they were being truthful when they said they wanted to keep hunt relatively authentic so no cellshaded rick and morty skins or wtv

[hasty horizon]

I don't know, it seemed like an excellent idea to me.

It doesn't make any sense what they did, I'm with you. I guess the community just wanted to fit in. You know how it works? It's hard to find genuine opinions and easier to find hate.

It would be great to be able to play with Michael Myers, it's a shame that most of this community acts like children and hates everything like the vast majority today.

[empty oasis]

The community took it not only as a sign that things were starting down a slippery slope, but also that they were cramming schlocky gimmicks into hunt. Almost no one had an issue with the design, aside from it being tied to a movie slasher villain

[hasty horizon]

In short, they threw hate without any sense.

[empty oasis]

Had they had GF entirely as is but without the mask and the baggage it brought, I think it would be just as popular as Reaper

[empty oasis]

No, there was plenty of sense that went with it. Everything was changing away from what made all of the og's fall in love with the game and that was the proverbial straw

[hasty horizon]

Collaborations bring in money, and in my opinion, Ghostface looks spectacular. The old hunters aren't going anywhere.

The decisions that Crytek was making were partly helping the company grow and Hunt's popularity.

I love Hunt, and from this game, I support everything Crytek does. I'm not going to interfere if the decisions they make are for the company's growth.

[empty oasis]

But they did the opposite

[hasty horizon]

They've already said that the game must always look original, and they also know who to bring into the game for collaborations. So, what's the final straw?

[empty oasis]

It caused a fairly large exodus of hardcore players and failed to keep the vast majority of the new players around

[hasty horizon]

What's the point of keeping a game as original as possible? It's great to take risks to make the game grow. I mean, at certain times I have to limit myself to playing with 200 ping because there's not a soul in South America.

most of the complaints were that

I was watching the comments on Ghostface's YouTube video.

[empty oasis]

And I was here, watching people discuss it in real time. Players hated what GF stood for overall, not the design itself

The vast majority of dedicated Hunt players, based on my experience, don't want collabs. We may yet see some in the future but, from the reaction of fans to what has come before, I wouldn't hold my breath

[hasty horizon]

What is it that you really want?

[empty oasis]

Personally?
I want a return of old hunt, but that'll never happen

[hasty horizon]

What do you think denies that?

I'm not going to lie, I started playing last year and reached six stars after 500 hours. But, I've seen comments about ''old hunt''

In fact, what do you think the game would have been like if everything had simply continued as it had originally? Thinking back, of course.

Imagine, the game came out in 2019 and until today nothing has been touched.

[empty oasis]

Get rid of regen, recov, and a ton of weapons.

Slow the game back down and make strategy the bigger part of winning firefights

Taking too many chances used to be punishing and you could roughly tell when something was out of heals by how many times you hit them

[pure cliff]

agreed, to much bloat in this game from OG days

[grave wraith]

yeah, too many variables and tools [not just in the game's definition] can take away from the prediction and resource management part of the game's old fights

[hasty horizon]

Well, in this game, you die with two shots, if not one. It's always perfectly valid to play strategically, and you'll always win, because the game works that way to this day.

Just by dying easily you know that being risky has consequences.

[pure cliff]

just be a coward

spineless ratty coward with no skill

[empty oasis]

As someone who's been playing since 2018, thinking that the game today plays anything like it did then is laughable

[hasty horizon]

I don't know, I'm just speaking logically. On the other hand, it's not a bad idea to have life regeneration through injections; it actually gives fights a longer life and adds tension knowing you can die if you get shot again.

Adds more fun to the game

A game should be fun.

[empty oasis]

It was more fun then for me. That's my point

Regen and the like greatly reduced that fun

[hasty horizon]

So I respect your opinion, I'm just debating.

[pure cliff]

and i absolutely love this auto burn everyone

[empty oasis]

I'm not even going to start on the burn meta

[hasty horizon]

Burning the opponent makes enemies make decisions faster.

then you can kill them faster

[empty oasis]

Regen actually made fights shorter

Previously you would peek carefully and rotate to catch your opponents off guard

Now you just jump peak because as long as it's not a hs it doesn't matter

[hasty horizon]

It has its positive side. If you get shot, you know you won't do that again.

In almost all of my games, my teammates do this. They shoot, move, find another angle, and shoot.

[empty oasis]

You can have your opinions on old vs new and you're entitled to them, however, I can't give the same weight to those opinions when they come from someone who never experienced the old part of the equation

[hasty horizon]

I imagined everything that could happen in a game with your comments.

[pure cliff]

but hey, they gotta Sell Skins

[hasty horizon]

In fact, this is interesting, new player debates with an old one

[pure cliff]

keep lining the pockets and not upgrading servers

[hasty horizon]

I insist, the servers will fill up when Crytek starts to resume collaborations and attract players. For example, right now I can't play in my region because there's no one there.

[empty oasis]

I'll end my part in this debate with this, I have over 5k hrs in this game and less than 500 have been since 2.0 dropped

I'm playing more again recently but it's still not what it once was

[hasty horizon]

But hey, here people just want the original.

[hot vigil]

About the same for me.

Hunt is fundamentally a different game nowadays

[grave wraith]

The issue with regen shot is that it completely negates a part of the game that used to be pretty important: Tracking your opponent's resources and using your own resources wisely. You used to be able to track the heals your enemies have, approach fights strategically based on resource information. With regen shot, the best option is to just assume your shot is null and no resources were used.

[hot vigil]

And now double up with recovery shots

[grave wraith]

Tool box and ammo box contribute to this too

[hasty horizon]

The new card is only for the current event

[hot vigil]

Recovery SHOTS

[grave wraith]

Exactly. No resource information can safely be tracked now. The best option is to always assume anything other than a kill is meaningless

Because the options to make that the truth exist

[empty oasis]

With recovery shots even the initial kills are meaningless

[grave wraith]

This

[hasty horizon]

Why do you talk as if the regeneration of the injections were infinite?

[hot vigil]

Like, I don't mind the lack of meaningful tracking matter that much.
But it feels much more like individual kills doesn't contribute to a fight as much (if they get back up)

[grave wraith]

They're enough to last a fight, and getting hit doesn't effect the timer. Any hits during the regen's period that aren't instantly followed up on are completely null, and the best option is to always assume your enemy has regen popped.

[hasty horizon]

I guess touching on the subject of how Hunt was is a sore spot.

[hot vigil]

7 min is near infinite in Hunt terms.

[hasty horizon]

They shoot at you and rush you, that's how the mechanics work.

This happens to me at least because I play solo.

[hasty horizon]

Yes, obviously. But remember that life regeneration isn't instantaneous, only the kind that grants life instantly.

[hot vigil]

How is that relates to the fact that the duration of regenshot is practical infinite in a fight.

[pure cliff]

yeah but only works well with good cover and distance

[hasty horizon]

What's the point of so much regeneration if they only die from a shot to the head?

[hot vigil]

Because people doesn't "just hit head".

Otherwise everyone and their mother would run winnies

[pure cliff]

i aim for the feet

[grave wraith]

Yes, so you are forced to rush in order to get any kind of play off of your hit before it regens. Attrition fights are now a thing of the past

[grave wraith]

Responding to this

[hasty horizon]

I'm sorry, but things happen, and the best thing was always to adapt. You're missing out on a good game by living in the past, with all due respect.

[hot vigil]

I am currently playing hunt

But as I said, hunt is a much different game now

[grave wraith]

I love hunt man wdym

[hot vigil]

And I will remain critical of the things I think detract from the Hunt I got into.

[hasty horizon]

then allow the wound to close.

[hot vigil]

Everyone have pain point

just haven't gotten yours yet

[hasty horizon]

no, I learned

It's not that I haven't had them

[hot vigil]

what

If the game adds something fundamentally "un-hunt" to you.

Then you don't just "learn"

It is about what makes the game tick for people

Again all the power for you for liking the game

[hasty horizon]

I focus on the essence and it remains the same

[grave wraith]

There's a reason this discord has a feedback section, they want to hear the community's opinions.

Opinions are worth holding on to

[hasty horizon]

Killing enemies these days is satisfying. It's a reward, since they have health regeneration.

[empty oasis]

That's your pov from the last year. Some of ours is from the better part of a decade

[hot vigil]

And I will wholeheartly disagree with that, the essence of Hunt ain't the same as it used to be.
You can get away with SO much shit in Hunt nowadays that would just get you killed in old hunt lol

[grave wraith]

is this us

[hasty horizon]

I understand what they're going for, but the game wasn't working well with the amount of players there were.

I speak from ignorance as well

[pure cliff]

well its bleeding players as it sits now

[empty oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[hasty horizon]

I don't know how much there was before and how much there is now.

[hot vigil]

Hunt have less players now than it had 2 years ago

[hasty horizon]

Unfortunately, today if a game is to succeed it must follow certain rules and Crytek must adapt.

[hot vigil]

And I would argue that was when Hunt did its major shift into "nu-Hunt".

[pure cliff]

No new maps, just crappy skins and and stupid weapons being added. "AUTO 5 Shorty" who tf thought this was a good idea

[hasty horizon]

DeSalle back, rain back.

[hot vigil]

Hunt is brilliant game and yes ofc there is always room for improvement.
But most of all Crytek needed to understand that Hunt is good bc it is Hunt, not because it tries to do what other games does.

[hasty horizon]

Give them time, they will give something new

[pure cliff]

nah, they are just milking it now

$ and dump it

[grave wraith]

Imo hunt could have a chance of better or similar player numbers if it stuck to its original uniqueness, unique gameplay attracts lots of dedicated players

[hasty horizon]

Well, if that were the case, then they wouldn't be giving so much importance to the community.

[grave wraith]

Not that hunt is no longer unique

[hasty horizon]

At least now they look repentant

[pure cliff]

they cant even impliment a decent anti cheat and event after event blah blah

not to mention the broken MMR system

[grave wraith]

I do wish they focused more on general game health than events

[hasty horizon]

I want a region that has players from my same country and to play with good ping.

[pure cliff]

shotty servers

ping cheaters

[grave wraith]

How is this relevant

[hasty horizon]

Well, you're not going through the situation. The old hunt is one thing, but not having players to play with is another.

[grave wraith]

What's your point? Why are you bringing up not having players to play with?

[hot vigil]

Tide of Shadows keeps being the most goated update.
Gave us Drilling and Haymaker.

[hasty horizon]

I haven't seen any hackers yet, even at maximum range. I'm guessing they'll be people with good headphones to hear even the silent farts your character makes in the bayou.

[grave wraith]

Which update added instinct? That's the most goated in my eyes

[hasty horizon]

Have you tried searching for games in South America?

[hot vigil]

As a trait or as built-in for bounty carrier?

[hasty horizon]

What I'm getting at with this is that I'm trying to convey that the decisions Crytek makes to attract people are fine to fill servers.

[grave wraith]

I'm from oce. Trust me, I know what it's like having dead servers. But why is it relevant to this discussion?

[hasty horizon]

my last message

[grave wraith]

This?

[hasty horizon]

.

[grave wraith]

Oh here

[hasty horizon]

My point in all this is a server where I can play with good ping and where there are people.

[grave wraith]

Again, I think they would have had a chance of attracting a more dedicated playerbase if they stuck to their original ways. But there's no way to ever really know.

[hasty horizon]

Let's hope they do things right now that they're listening to the community.

[grave wraith]

Sadly, the community tends to disagree with each other and leave crytek to make their own interesting decisions

[hasty horizon]

I have a solution to make life regeneration a non-issue. Adapting to perfect shotgun gameplay

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/490848275155386368/1376912475475148820/20250525_225257.gif

[grave wraith]

Shotgun prevalence is another thing that has changed lol

[crystal plume]

Has it?

[hasty horizon]

Slug gang

[hot vigil]

Again, Tide of Shadows was the perfect patch and you see it with the player numbers.

• Exciting, but not meta-changing mechanics (wild target & rain).
• Good expansion and meaningful expansion of weapons (Drilling and Haymaker)
• Nothing overly busted custom ammo addition (Waxed Frag for Bomblance and Dragon Bolt for Hand crossbows)

[grave wraith]

Yea man everyone and their grandma is running shotguns right now

[hot vigil]

And it was introduced after a nice break from prior event too

[grave wraith]

Shorty shotguns at least

[crystal plume]

Yeah and they didn't before?

[hot vigil]

I see MUCH more shotguns nowadays than pre-2.0

[crystal plume]

"Shotgun meta" was a big complaint even in the early days

[hasty horizon]

The question is, is there anything wrong with using a shotgun? It's not so broken if you know it doesn't work at a distance.

[grave wraith]

Not as much, because people using rifles couldn't use a shorty shotgun with almost the same range as a full sizer

[pure cliff]

yup, run a Long ammo medium and a auto 5 shorty. so much fun, not

[hot vigil]

It is an issue when you basically can round out every loadout with a long ammo rifle and a 2-slot shotgun.
Close-medium weapons are kinda suffering bc of that.

[pure cliff]

then lair rats, hiding in corners all 3 with auto 5's

[grave wraith]

It's not that broken, it's just frustrating with quartermaster and the shorty shotgun buffs. If you encounter someone with a rifle and shorty shotgun quartermaster Loadout, which is extremely common, they're perfectly effective at every range and their shotgun effectively has no tradeoff

The thing is just that you can bring both a shotgun and a rifle. Either is fine. Both?

[hasty horizon]

It's good that the game allows you tools.

[crystal plume]

I guess we are playing different games, because shotguns have always been very common, if anything I remember dealing with shotgun lair campers way more back in the day 😄

[hot vigil]

Sure, but having an answer for every situation is not good.
Again, close-medium weapons are not having a good time in this meta.

[hasty horizon]

Beyond everything, a well-implemented strategy trumps everything. It's the use of brainpower over any weapon.

[grave wraith]

Yes, but back then, shotguns had a tradeoff. You knew you had an advantage to engage them at range. Now, they can just whip out their full size mosin if you try to do that

[hasty horizon]

I don't know, I can shoot from a distance with a short-range weapon and hit someone.

It is logical that the weapon, when shortened, has less range.

[grave wraith]

What is this referring to

[hasty horizon]

regardless of what it is, I'm always using high velocity.

[hasty horizon]

I'm not referring to anything, just reality

[hot vigil]

That is not my point.
My point is that you can bring in BOTH a long range option and still have a shotgun.
And it makes weapons, like Marathon a much worse gun because they are performing best at short/medium range.
But when everyone is running some form of a shotgun you just get easily pushed and shotgunned.

And also not bringing in a shotgun/1-tapper yourself gimps yourself so hard, because 90% of your close quarter fights gonna be shotguns.

[grave wraith]

Specifically not bringing a buckshot (sometimes slugs) shotgun.

Other shotgun ammo types are fine imo

[hot vigil]

You cannot say: "I hear shotgun I can keep my distance and win" bc they gonna be having a mosin or you cannot say "I hear a mosin, I can push up and win" bc you'll just get shotgunned.

[grave wraith]

This is one of the reasons why I dislike quartermaster as a purchaseable trait

[hasty horizon]

I still don't see the problem

[hot vigil]

I don't mind QM, it was fine for 7 years.
Crytek just went overboard with the 2-slot buffs.

[hot vigil]

That is fair, but the essence of Hunt used to be that people had to make choices in their kit.

[pure cliff]

finished event, bored. running around 1v3 making 1-2-3stars feel good about themselves.

[grave wraith]

It's the removal of a strategic layer

And a counterplay

[hasty horizon]

For me the game is still fun, I think that's the difference.

I also like the idea of ​​wearing whatever I want, no matter what it is.

[grave wraith]

The game is still fun for all of us idk what you mean

[pure cliff]

now its just you 100 have to assume they all have shotguns

[hot vigil]

And it makes for very boring and stale gameplay imo

[hasty horizon]

so what's the point of this

[hot vigil]

And also, sorry to say, gives so much of crutch to lowskill people

[pure cliff]

derank, run in with baseball bat and smash all heads and laugh

[grave wraith]

Read the title of the channel you're talking in

[pure cliff]

anyone using s SG is low skill IMO

[hasty horizon]

I understand that's why I started with the first topic. Maybe I got a little carried away.

[hot vigil]

Eeeh wouldn't say that, but having a "free shotgun" no matter what sure rewards bad plays more.

[hasty horizon]

I want to make sense of things, that's all, haha, sorry if I went off the rails. @grave wraith

[grave wraith]

What? You don't have to apologise for anything, we're all just discussing

Feedback discussing

[inland forge]

Yeah it blows. I'm a fanning guy and I have to accept I'll lose every cqc fight against a shotgun.

[hot vigil]

Also basically killed pistols and melee

[hasty horizon]

Imagine you have a full arsenal to be well-equipped for every situation in the match, and you prefer to go for long-range attacks and nothing else. But you get rushed and killed.

[grave wraith]

I've been meaning the 1865 carbine recently and shorty shotgun meta really hurts it

[hasty horizon]

I think it's a good idea to have the option to shoot from a distance and be prepared if they want to rush me or if I want to rush.

[grave wraith]

Can't out-mv long ranged weapons, can't out-onetap shotguns

[inland forge]

Aside from this fight, but that was pure luck.

[hot vigil]

That is fair, but I don't think it makes for interesting fights, it basically plays the same now.
You get a pick and everyone rushes in with shotguns.
And again, it have killed viability of pistols and melee weapons.

[hasty horizon]

That guy revived you just in time

[hot vigil]

But again, if we just didn't make ammo free like it is rn, that would help too

[grave wraith]

The theme before shorty buff was you could do this, but you need to choose your weakness somewhere.

You could be proficient at long range and ok at short,

Decent at both ranges but not great at either

Or proficient at short and ok at long

[inland forge]

I didn't clip the rest but it was a complete clusterfuck. An absolutely terrible situation we survived on pure luck from.

[hot vigil]

And don't get me (us?) wrong, 2-slot shorty shotguns needed a buff, they just got overcorrected in the buff sadly.

[hasty horizon]

You know better than anyone that the game today is designed to be played the way you like. Don't underestimate a person who plays melee weapons because they're likely more confident in killing than anyone else.

Hunt is a game where you don't have automatic weapons and that makes it special to play whatever you want and win.

removing the known features from the middle.-

[grave wraith]

Yeah what if ammo availability was dialed back and 2 slots had much worse ammo reserve? People could still play versatility, but need to be more careful with their resources
A bit of a compromise

[inland forge]

Like shotguns are cool, but I don't feel good using them. Like its so easy to just mow down entire teams with them. But I'd rather just use something fun like fanning.

[hot vigil]

The game is designed to be easier.
Nothing else.
I don't wanna be elitist, but that is just the fact, Hunt nowadays is MUCH easier and it feels frutrating losing to people bc I don't wanna use same easy weapons/tools given.

Also melee people dies 9/10 times, they are NOT in a good spot rn

[pure cliff]

the hunt expierence is now cheapened

[hasty horizon]

I understand that this is something that gave the game the essence you want. Perhaps the current additions to play whatever you want are so good that it seems unfair. But it's not something that's beyond the realm of reality.

[hasty horizon]

responding here

[hot vigil]

Eh, just nerf deployable ammo boxes overall.
That would maybe get people to think about what they are bringing.
I love old Hunt where people were considering bringing a Conversion to their mosin kit, bc they wanted to have ample bullets and decent medium range weapon in case they run low on mosin shots.

[hasty horizon]

I don't know, I've seen how Quinx plays with the katana and it's been a topic of conversation.

[inland forge]

I love ammo boxes personally.

I hate having to track down black boxes.

[hasty horizon]

You have traps that make shots sound and houses to catch people off guard

[hot vigil]

I don't really take heavily currated clipshows as a proof of a weapon thriving.
I've played the game for years now and I can tell you, we see MUCH less melee weapons now for a reason

[grave wraith]

The general issue with melee is if you kill someone with it, you could have done just the same with a shotgun anyway

[inland forge]

I almost went through ego death due to trying to katana people in this era of shotguns. It doesn't help my ping is at 100 so I always have to be quicker on the draw.

[hasty horizon]

Yes, what you say is logical, but it is not the same way of playing hand-to-hand as with a shotgun.

Playing shotgun is going crazy, hand-to-hand is playing with silence and waiting for the right moment.

[hot vigil]

Feel like that is because we are just spoiled now.
One of Hunt's phrases was "every bullet count" and it struggling with ammo actually make for some insanely fun play if you allow it.

[hot vigil]

That is more because melee sucks so much they have to lmao

Shotguns can do the same

[empty oasis]

It's not play whatever you want
It's more play all strengths

It used to be a rock-paper-scissors decision but loadout now are just strong all around

[pure cliff]

yup, to many options

[hasty horizon]

What's real is that everything still works. Be it a pistol, a shotgun, a Juanito, or a Juanita.

[inland forge]

I got some clips where I try to make my meager 4 star katana gameplay look better than what it is.

[hasty horizon]

People have killed me with katanas without knowing where they came from.

[inland forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1065613104676880465/1424736575878860861/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_28.mp4?ex=68f237d6&is=68f0e656&hm=851732e025cc264f554dc55e472def178800ed3b40e915baaf2c66cf092089d7&

[pure cliff]

right, cut out all the stupid mistakes and bad choices and only clip the good moments

[hasty horizon]

This is what I'm getting at!

beautiful headshot at 0:55

[inland forge]

Thanks dawg.

[empty oasis]

Nah, there's a huge difference between performance in a mosin/specter loadout and a mosin/officer loadout

The gap between them didn't used to be the grand canyon that it is now

You can apply that you most any loadout atm

[hasty horizon]

I insist that people keep dying easily in this game because it is designed that way.

I'll kill you with this one. Imagine adding an injection to become more resistant to gunfire.

https://tenor.com/view/nikocado-avocado-looking-at-you-fade-jpeg-shock-gif-2053171403088417484

[pure cliff]

hey, but at least they fixed the instant jumping headstop kill/death

[empty oasis]

And you're missing the point that we've all made

The loadout now are all strengths no weaknesses

There's no consistent counterplay besides running the same

[hasty horizon]

I prefer it this way really.

[inland forge]

Add level 3 plates.

[empty oasis]

How would you know? You've already stated that you never played anything else

[inland forge]

It does feel like you can reliably make kits these days that are good at all ranges.

[hasty horizon]

What do you mean?

[grave wraith]

Seriously doesn't seem too unlikely atp

[hasty horizon]

I can't say much, I'm the one who always plays with drilling.

[inland forge]

Ironically that's the shot that the shotgunner will use before blitzing you.

[hasty horizon]

short sized drilling

[empty oasis]

You started playing within the last year, correct?

That means you never played pre 2slot buff. How could you prefer it this way with nothing to contrast it to?

[hasty horizon]

If it had been before what you say, I would have still loved it since it allows me to play with more options.

[empty oasis]

Sure, whatever you say

[hasty horizon]

We see things differently.

I don't prefer to get too caught up in what was, but rather in what I can do with what I have.

I want to enjoy and win, having a shotgun and a mosin is spectacular for me.

[pure cliff]

weeklys = dailys then have to wait a week

[empty oasis]

That's just it, you've never experienced what was as a baseline

[grave wraith]

Damn how much do you play

[pure cliff]

weeklys dont take much effort

[hasty horizon]

The Roman Empire was not always Christian

[grave wraith]

Something like kill 3 brutes would probably take like 5, 6 games typically?

[pure cliff]

1 game lol

[acoustic iron]

Ye for brutes all you have to do is look up the spawns

[grave wraith]

Can 3 brutes even spawn in one game

[acoustic iron]

Ye

[empty oasis]

Easily

[pure cliff]

or just know because you run into them every game

[hasty horizon]

History has always been like this. Everything begins and everything changes. You have to adapt.

this is a discuss channel not a philosophical one

sorry

[acoustic iron]

I dont wanna you can't make me

[grave wraith]

If you're going to this extent to complete a challenge, you can't rightfully be upset about them being too easy when you actively trivialise them with external knowledge

[acoustic iron]

Upset?

[grave wraith]

I couldn't think of a better word

[acoustic iron]

Oh I see

But that is one of the few tasks that can be simplified that way the others actually take work

[grave wraith]

Yea I tried running centennial for the challenge but idk there's something about the feel of that gun I just don't like it

[flat fog]

im not p100, and none of the stuff i've written says things about "me".
I'm not one of those guys either, im just observing them do what i wrote. 🙂

please read more carefully before randomly pinging me

[grave wraith]

Heathen's point still stands regardless of whether they were addressing you directly or addressing you as a general population.

[flat fog]

did u read what i wrote

[grave wraith]

Yes

[flat fog]

Cool man

[inland forge]

How are they not making money

[flat fog]

idk 😂

they're just the poorest of them all somehow

Im sure they have at least 100k but never ever use it

[inland forge]

"the build is mosin, dolche, and as many syringes as i can carry and no i won't change it"

[flat fog]

often times when i check the loadouts i spot some very very questionable ones, im not even playing the game seriously -- then i look up, it's a prestigee 100 with contraband everything

OR they spend 500 ish on a whiteshirt

[inland forge]

I probably spend like 400 to 600 a kit honestly. But I don't use expensive guns.

[flat fog]

what is the thing that are making these people so afraid to lose money? I want the guy to have fun freely because he is prestige 100 with thousands of hours in the game 😄

[inland forge]

I've got a mental block on using expensive weapons. Just doesn't line up for me.

[flat fog]

my avg is 800 ish

[inland forge]

If anything I'm looking for diamonds in the rough among the cheapest weaposn because that brings me joy.

Like I've started going hard with nagant precision.

[flat fog]

Same honestly. Well, in 6 star you get free mosins and uppies per match victory anyway

if you feel like picking them up ofc

[flat fog]

the giga nagant is always the best

[grave wraith]

We need a nagant uppergant in the game

[inland forge]

nagant precision chain

[grave wraith]

Nagant uppergant precision chain bullseye deadeye pointman aperture silencer bayonet claw talon mace obrez extended

[flat fog]

nagant riposte

[inland forge]

Nagant trueshot

[flat fog]

this is jonathan ferguson's sleep paralysis demon

[acoustic iron]

Ngl I could see this being stupidly fun and not too broke

Now what i really what to see is a nagant precision silencer and nagant precision silencer deadeye i honestly dont care if they make it a 3 slot I'd still use it

[inland forge]

It would be fun for sure

[flat sandal]

@upbeat slate Just checked cause I thought I also had this idea once and saw that you are asking for it for literal years now. So have others and it is very popular every time. Really hope they add this. Love everything about your suggestions.

Shouldn't be too hard either. Everything is already there. Though, I don't think we had wildcard conditions since the relaunch.

[night nacelle]

Hey Hunters 👋
Just wanted to share this Reddit post that got a lot of support from the community.
It’s about adding cross-progression / account transfer so players don’t lose years of progress and paid skins when switching platforms.
Many of us agree this would be a huge step forward for Hunt.

🔗 https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/x0KTOtIL8C

Would love if the devs could take a look — the amount of support really shows how much this matters to the community ❤️

[inland forge]

Having to hit 3 body shots is actually in the not good category for weapon damage.

[acoustic iron]

I think its fine as a occasional bornheim user

[inland forge]

That's like the only gun that does low enough damage to need 3.

[acoustic iron]

Deringer

[acoustic iron]

and nagant silencer and new army after like 20 meters

[muted rain]

New army does more damage than officer and has option to FMJ which improves damage falloff

So it is more likely you three tap with officer than with NW FMJ

[acoustic iron]

But thats with fmg comparing a gun with special ammo to a gun without isn't quite fair

[muted rain]

You can remove FMJ, the NW still does more damage than the officer

So there is a range (no matter how rare this ocurrance might be) where you might 2 tap with an NW and not with an officer

Both are compacts and thus have the same dropoff (damage wise*)

Im not saying NW > officer, just before anyone throws himself at my neck

For example, at 34M a new army (no fmj) will 2 tap to torso, while an officer wont (and will need a 3 tap)

which is pretty close-medium range

Breakpoints will be different (of course) for other parts of the body, such as lower torso, limbs etc

[acoustic iron]

If you say so but I always feel like when I run new army i hardly ever 2 tap but that might just be me

[muted rain]

Im not saying that, you can literally test it

Run grounds, put yourself at 34M with an officer and with a new army

The new army will 2 tap, the officer wont

[acoustic iron]

@spark mauve Let's be honest you should probably just be able to hold unlimited contraband

[acoustic iron]

It really doesn't matter if I shoot a stationary target at 34m when in practice my target will activately be dodging and the 2 shot is probably not going to happen

Tf?

[safe halo]

Hi hunters, I'm having a problem when I start the game. It doesn't even open the black screen. It only opens as far as Easy Anti-Cheat. Can someone help me?

I already deleted the shaders folder.

[muted rain]

Its at very specific mid-to-close scenarios, chances are you hitting bad close shots, where the damage is negible for either* weapon

[safe halo]

any can help me plz

[acoustic iron]

So what you're saying is the gun doesn't matter in most scenarios

[muted rain]

To those two? There is a reason why officer is commongly seen and the new army isnt

[spark mauve]

I completely agree but the entire hunt discord will have an aneurism if I suggest that.

[acoustic iron]

Ikr lol I honestly don't see an issue when almost everyone is rich and can have infinite items regardless

[muted rain]

It would create storage problems for longtime players I think, my friend has like 90+ dolches, at least let us sell them or whatever

Money isnt an issue, everyone is rich already

10%, hell, even 5%+

let us sell contraband

[acoustic iron]

You can just delete it if its an issue which it shouldn't be

[spark mauve]

I agree with that as well. Contraband everything should be bale to be sold. Even its for 1/3 of the price.

[muted rain]

Yeah, it is literally stolen

Since we cant stack them (because I imagine it would create more server weight or whatever), at least let us sell that stuff

[acoustic iron]

Yeah honestly though being able to sell them wouldn't be the worst thing I could finally get rid of my 20 stolen nitros without taking -1 mental health from just deleting them

[muted rain]

Even going further, the UI has bugs since 1896 released where you cant unequip / delete those items like you used to if they are already equipped

Everyone has millions already besides new players

Even for people prestiging money isnt an issue

So what is the point lol

[acoustic iron]

That adding new positive features is a crime in crytecs eyes lol

They need to keep adding more stuff nobody asked for and skins and bugs obviously

[muted rain]

Not even mentioning that events are literally free money

Same as with twitch drops

Not saying this negatively, but just either increase contraband stash or make a market for it or whatever

Let us sell it for 5% 10% whatever

and done

[spark mauve]

yuuup

[safe halo]

Where can I report a game error? It doesn't open anything for me at all.

[acoustic iron]

I've never had a issue worth reporting so im not sure sorry

[muted rain]

Troubleshooting channel, no?

[acoustic iron]

Maybe🤷‍♂️

[muted rain]

one of those

@safe halo

Last feedback "Make all skins available in either twitch drops or later events" is already being done in game with other "battle passes"

The Finals just "recently" added this

You can revisit all old battle passes but without earning the premium currency

It is greedy af but its money for Crytek

(literally free with 0 effort)

[acoustic iron]

Embark does everything so good game dev company's need to start copying ngl

[muted rain]

Scrappy event was super grindy and many people didnt get those skins

(for example, the hunter)

Rather than selling it on a bundle very few % of players will buy, why dont they add this?

Hunt had also demarcated events, so its not like it is up for confusion

[acoustic iron]

You should put that in game ideas i bet almost everyone would 👍 it

[muted rain]

At this point Crytek is just running from money they should get without any effort selling already made skins (their fav hobby)

[muted rain]

Im not sure, often enough the community downvotes everything that includes some type of change

This is likely to get upvoted since it doesnt involve removing any crutches, tho

Im not interested in skins at all, feel free to post it yourself if you want og

[acoustic iron]

The only people I could see down voting are people who like fomo but those people's opinions are invalid

[muted rain]

"who like fomo"

What times are we living, aye

https://tenor.com/view/pshh-you-serious-what-yeah-gif-18831166

[acoustic iron]

People who take advantage of it to flex what casuals won't get

[muted rain]

Yeah, I remeber the "first" twitch drop when they gave the springfield and everyone started crying

"oh but the skin for a weapon I dont use its not exclusive anymore buaaaa"

honestly touching grass would be a good option

[acoustic iron]

[muted rain]

I think (without giving it too much thought) that the only "exclusive" skin per se (at least for weapons) its the benefactor, a chain pistol skin

Old

Hedera Mortiferum is "similar" (as in ooh it has golden engravings and shi) and people often confuse those

[acoustic iron]

What's so special about the benefactor skin anyways I've heard about it but never seen it

[muted rain]

Preorder or beta exclusive, I dont remember

I have some contraband ones

[acoustic iron]

Oh I see yeah that should probably stay exclusive

[muted rain]

Its chain pistol after all

Not a bad pistol but def a noob trap

[acoustic iron]

Go away bots

<@&357256267087085568> the bots are back

Thank you

[grave wraith]

I think chain pistol fanning is a noob trap for sure, but chain pistol by itself is a good gun
(I turned off ping on this message. Just wanted to put this opinion out)

[atomic ferry]

#game-ideas message

This message says detail not description so it doesnt count for the voting. I suggest you delete and re-post. Im surprised the bot didnt take it down automatically

[winged skiff]

I really wish there werent some skins that are just inaccessible to anyone who didnt play in a certain period. Such event skins should be made available again later, either as Twitch drops or for purchase.

I for example really want the Silent Repose skin, but because I was litterally unable to play during the event where this was a unlockable skin, I am now completely incapable of acquiring it

as a player since 2018, that really sucks

[grave wraith]

Is this a joke/sarcasm?

[atomic ferry]

I inderstand rewarding the people who, if you think about it, kickstared to game! I have no problem with exclusive skins in SOME cases like early access, beta, pre-popularity type things and even some special events like anniversarys or even the collab with a big name like the post malone event (althought i dont like collabing in hunt) BUT i do think not every event needs exclusive skins too, its not fair on the growing fanbase

[atomic ferry]

Its genuine, click on the blue and it will take you to a post that i cant up/downvote

[grave wraith]

My bad. I misunderstood and thought you were suggesting they remove it and put it back because you didn't like the formatting

[winged skiff]

Thing is I was part of the people who played beta, so I helped kickstart it and played constantly up until said event where real life events prevented me from being able to play. I am then punished for things out of my control.

Hence I just really wish the devs would make these skins available again later in some way, as not doing so really isn't fair toward anyone

[atomic ferry]

That is completely valid, and i fully sgree that it ismt fair to be locked out of those things in your case. I also agree they should he less exclusive things in the future. Sadly though i dont think it would be fair to being the exclusive skins back after so long when promising exclusivity to those people. Some people LIVE for that kind of stuff. Flexable game loot. Idk its crazy but i think this is definitely a "from now on" thing and not a "change the past" thing

[atomic ferry]

maybe for a 15 or 20 year hunt anniversary? I could see them doing something like that but its unlikely.

[winged skiff]

If some people get mad that skins they easily earned just playing an event become available again later on, either through a similar grind or for purchase, I really think that is incredibly selfish.

Thing also is that I (and many others) would happily pay to get these skins, and thus further support the devs.

[atomic ferry]

100% its selfish, especially when event hunt is basically vanilla at this point?! Why was this event SO close to the last? I know they likely saw player spikes and drops for the event but calm down, there are still many vanilla problems they need to fix first and if EVERY event brings new glitches the game will be unplayable so it doesnt matter who has what skin

This new deathcheat glitch is pissing off a LOT of people, death cheat is hard to get and is so easy to lose because you die in match even after being revived? They really should focus on vanilla hunt for a few months

And i say that with love! I really do love this game it is absolutely my favourite. And i know theyre gonna freak out when so many people stop to play the beta for the arcraiders? I think its called. Im not interested myself but a lot of hunt players i know are looking into it. And if it doesnt break every other day then iwouldnt blame them for taking a break

[winged skiff]

Yeah, they really should focus on bug squashing and QoL changes, as well as removing all the silly skin "exclusivity" nonsense. Its just skins, let people who want a certain one be able to acquire it somehow, either through playing or purchase -> both support the ongoing life of the game.

[inland forge]

I mighta not had the example for "no mmr6s in my lobby" be the one where you killed them LOL.

[muted rain]

Totally true, QoL is what Hunt needs. A heavy QoL update. But that of course doesnt grant them inmediate money. Rather spent resources on getting the 374 DLC out with its correspondant krag skin

The backtracking done also kills balance and its a waste of time (for both devs and players).

If you do a change, and then revert it, you done nothing but live-test it because you were lazy to properly take into consideration what that change would entail in the first place

This already happened with skin "qualities" or some changes to weapon damages, dropoffs etc

People yap that Hunt Vanilla is dead and so on, lmao, but what is even an event, a recycled circus from now on?

People who call that content has never seen what a good update is, I presume

Totally true @calm sinew, ping abusing is a form of exploiting (known widely in all serious games) and anyone that denies it is either a shill, exploits themselves playing in other regions to have advantage or is low elo

Playing against people with good ping on your servers should be the usual, not a rare scenario to die behind cover 2 seconds later

[unborn sandal]

There’s a 75 ms registration cap. If you have more than 75ms ping you’re at an active disadvantage because of the way registration works in this game

[muted rain]

Dude, its silly

I cant only play on Oceania

I been on USA and its clear as day i have an advantage if I play agro and peek first

Even had trades where the guy shot clearly first, its a real issue, once that it has been brought countless of times by many people

Lmao

Even bothered to open steam threads to see what people are complaining about?

We are talking about people from the other side of the world joining to your servers (in this specific game, im not talking about others) to exploit

Thing should be region locked since long ago

There is a reason why "EU" is dead

Russia actually has good ping (around 60 ms) if they are close to EU, so that is not the problem nor what im getting to.

"The way registration works in this game gives no advantage to a player with higher ping but if you want to keep believing in fairy tales go ahead" lmao

you cannot be serious

Im the one living in fairy tales in Trade: Showdown

How funny