feedback-discussion

[austere void]

So it's not such a ridiculous power, while still a hanger which lures people to the bounty in the end.

[random aspen]

Imagine a game still not adding cross-play invites and running a business fine with 12k players lmaoo I bet we could short crytek stocks make a KILLING

The Devs will be the downfall of their own game sadly. Just add it. So many players already turned away because of it. Gotta get them back!!

[west mauve]

<@&357256267087085568>

[unborn dagger]

Good shit

I mean even then it just doesn't matter that much because of three reasons, the person reviving gets 50 of their health burnt, the person getting up has one chunk and it takes a long amount of time. It takes complete dedication in doing that entire process. The only time that would really work is if the other team is doing a poor job of watching the body.

Oh and I guess there's a 4th thing, you need to have the bounty to even do it.

[jade mural]

The performance on Xbox x is so terrible why you don't fix it!!!!!!

[odd ferry]

#hunt-general crashes constantly on #PlayStation5 & has got me killed so many times & is overall just annoying. I play alot during the day but I'm done on playstation until it's fixed.

[faint osprey]

hunt showdown is such a poo game!!!!!!!!

[thin wolf]

Many players have been asking for fire arrows to be added to the bow for a long time. Here, even on the stream.
https://www.twitch.tv/kobik__/clip/BlightedFragileTapirMikeHogu-60wxkgn_v2HZmMwR

[jade mural]

Pls optimize every console version they are so terrible, they should be equal to the PC versions !

[waxen canyon]

This exactly.

Which begs the question, why do the devs continuously introduce "cool new things" to the game that destroy the sound aspect? They have literally said for 2 years now, "we know this game is 90% sound, but we think it's super cool to deafen your gameplay with our ideas without play testing them at all. And because we don't actually play the game, we refuse to listen to anyone who says our ideas aren't pure gold."

Light rain = very cool effect, should def keep
Heavy rain = ruins the game play, blind and deaf, dumbest shit ever
event fog = very close to being as dumb as heavy rain, blind mixed with loud false sounds

Although, to be fair, the audio is so fucked up in this game anymore, it doesn't really matter what the weather is like 🤣

[unborn dagger]

That's a really weird comparison, heavy rain is applied to everyone and is temporary. Solo lightfoot is permanent and on a single player

[waxen canyon]

I didn't mean the Lightfoot part of Snowy's comment, just the sound hampering part in general

[unborn dagger]

It's fine as is, problem with heavy rain was that it was so frequent.

[waxen canyon]

It's not fine, it literally breaks the biggest aspect of the game for 5-10 minutes every 2-3 minutes.

Lightfoot for solo is fine as is. How many times have you been killed as a solo walking into the middle of a trio parked in the forest doing nothing?

[queen jungle]

@waxen merlin Dude a BB crossover would be sick. I would rock the piss out of a Yharnam Hunter skin

[reef spindle]

Hello everyone, one questions: Do you like the recoil changes?

Like was there not a recoil pattern long before?

[unborn dagger]

Hence why I said it happens too frequently... lightfoot solo was definitely not fine though. Just glad that is being removed

[torn quiver]

@ancient matrix letting people get old time limited skins is very bad idea, then mythic is nto MYTHIC rarity anymore and you cant expect to just to game later date adn get same rewards as players who have played the game longer. Time limited skins need to stay time limited and should never come back again

[sand kiln]

[coral pulsar]

What could possibly be the negative of my suggestions:

"Title: Allow the purchase of premium hunters with no traits for free
Details: I'm astounded this isn't a thing. Why would I purchase skins for guns/hunters who I only even get to play 1/4 of the time when I have funds to spend."

[rotund obsidian]

the eight extra UI screens crytek will somehow implement to support it, i guess

[coral pulsar]

Its a fking tragedy thats almost a legitimate concern.

[coral pulsar]

!CLASH

[marsh garden]

Bounty Clash schedule for this weekend:

<t:1740124800:F> - <t:1740384000:F>

[crystal plume]

There has always been an inherent cost to hunters even excluding their gear/traits even with the previous recruitment system excluding free hunters, you should have to pay at least a little bit for possibly better camo than a free hunter would have

[ripe sandal]

I'm hearing Crytek are planning another event - please tell me this is untrue.

There are only so many days each year, and they 'must' start concentrating on the base game, and resist drowning the game with events.

Tide of Desolation - December 13th 2023 to February 14th 2024

Desolation's Wake - March 6th to May 8th 2024

Scorched Earth - August 15th to October 7th 2024

Harvest of Ghosts - October 16th to November 25th 2024

Post Malone’s Murder Circus - December 12th, 2024 until February 10th, 2025,

There are only 365 days in a year - please not another one.

[carmine needle]

Reading over the recent blogpost, they are focusing much more heavily on the base game, UI, and balancing issues. Events aren't going away even with the focus shifting more to the base game, as they bring in players and money- both of which the game needs to survive. We have yet to get any news at all about an incoming event, there's only speculation that since we've historically gotten a March event, we are likely (but NOT guaranteed) to get one.

But as I said- in their own post, they mention 2025 will be less event heavy

[regal rover]

Whats the issue with this? Every other game works fine but Hunt...

[ripe sandal]

Thanks. Have they mentioned when we're getting the full quota of maps back?

[carmine needle]

DeSalle is coming back, but no dates

[ripe sandal]

Thanks Al. Have a good day mate x

[carmine needle]

Keep an eye on #general-announcements , whenever they post more on that kinda stuff, should see it there. Have a good day yourself!

[atomic wren]

what about new event like circus?

[carmine needle]

Nothing on that yet either, sorry!

[coral pulsar]

Ehhh I don't agree. I shouldn't be blocked from using content I paid for.

[atomic wren]

I started playing in January, and 5 more of my friends bought this game because we liked it. But after the event was removed, it became boring to play. I kindly ask that if you add an event, at least keep it until the next one, because it's really sad when so much content is taken away all of a sudden, and nothing is given in return. Even the 7th anniversary of Hunt went by without anything special—just discounts on characters and a promo code that immediately expired? Come on, who does that? A streamer highlight reel instead of a beautiful cinematic? It looks pretty disappointing.

[crystal plume]

By that logic the weapon skins should make the weapons 100% free as well because you spent money on them

[carmine needle]

I am a community volunteer, I don't work for Crytek or have any say in their decisions. You're more than welcome to post in #feedback however!

[unborn dagger]

But you're not?

[unborn sandal]

it’s not like it’s costs blood bonds to use the skin every time. It’s 100 hunt dollars. If getting 100 hunt dollars is an issue you have bigger fish to fry

[coral pulsar]

You are. I can't think of another game who limits the usage of a skin you purchase.

[unborn dagger]

If you're broke sure

[coral pulsar]

100 + Gear. If you had to equip the 'free' hunters the economy wouldn't sustain it.

[coral pulsar]

So you agree then, ty.

[unborn dagger]

Eeehhh not really.

[coral pulsar]

You just said sure lol

[coral pulsar]

Hunters and weapons are two different things.

[unborn dagger]

Game offers plenty of ways of gaining cash back that it would be pretty surprising to even be at a flat 0. Especially for hunters that are 100.

[carmine needle]

it's 50/clue and iirc oyu keep that

you*

so if you get 2 clues bam there's your hunter

[coral pulsar]

Plus equipment.

[final lodge]

money seems pretty easy to get even lately with my major skill issue and using and using middle of the road gear manage to stay at about 75k dropping above and below

during events my money doubles

And outside of events it stays flat

[carmine needle]

You can still also recruit free hunters and rip the stuff off them iirc

[final lodge]

Is there a limit?

[carmine needle]

if you wanna run avtos, that's on you

[coral pulsar]

to contraband yeah.

[carmine needle]

well it's still contraband

The issue was wanting to run hunters

[final lodge]

I mean to the amount of times you can do that

[carmine needle]

I was simply pointing out that you get the cost of a hunter with 2 clues

[final lodge]

Vulture + witness

[coral pulsar]

Besides the fact most people can't afford the 100 skin tax in every single game, I think the point is being missed, what people see, and I've heard this complaint from alot of new players and their reluctance ito spend money, is there is no other game which limits the use of a skin once you've purchased it.

Outside of using another character but thats understood and been accepted.

[final lodge]

My KD is 0.9

I can afford hunter’s and 300 - 400 in guns plus throttles and tools

you can afford 100$

If you can’t just play free hunters

[coral pulsar]

Again, I would like to use the assets which i purchased the license to.

Also I'd like more details of your type of income at that kda

[final lodge]

ngl I think my KD is broken

[coral pulsar]

So are you saying to can afford to spend 600$ a game? or do you mean 300 to 400 total

[final lodge]

it went from 0.94 to 0.9 from one death

[carmine needle]

I have a .8iirc, been ages since I looked at it

I tend to lose money during off seasons

But I make bank during the events

[final lodge]

same

[carmine needle]

I run around 1k-750$ loadouts including the hunters

[coral pulsar]

@final lodge
How much do you spend every match total?

[final lodge]

oomf idk depends on traits I usually use way cheaper gear first game then upgrade each W

prolly not more then 1k very often?

been playing the sparks a lot lately

[unborn dagger]

Then you better start grinding

[coral pulsar]

Already did, in the real world, to spend on cosmetics.

[unborn dagger]

If you can in the real world, you can do it in the game

[final lodge]

I mean if you can’t afford to play a gun don’t buy skins for it

[carmine needle]

I think this is going to be an agree to disagree moment

For a lot of us, this is how the game is and we don't have issue with it

You're welcome to put making hunter skins free in #game-ideas or #feedback

[neon bloom]

I think we should make hunters cost 333 again

[white plover]

@nocturne harbor have you seen the planned change for revive bolts?

[nocturne harbor]

I have, how much ammo will it have?

[white plover]

We do not currently know, but really based off of what I’ve seen of the now scarce dum dum for centennial I really don’t think we’ll see revive bolts that much

Feels like a soft removal of them from the game aside from the occasional instance you’ll see em

[river zephyr]

Personally, I like the idea of a "combat medic" loadout. The fact that you can have something so potentially powerful as a revive bolt on a one-slot side arm that can take two separate ammo types is what really ruins it, in my opinion. I'd be happy if they moved revive bolts to the regular sized crossbow and only allow for the one ammo type on it if chosen. Your primary weapon would then have to be a pistol or a shorty if you take quartermaster with it.

[unborn sandal]

Bro it’s not that deep. I have 300 grand in the bank and spend 700-1500 on each loadout. I’ve never had money problems in this game.

[turbid bluff]

Balancing idea...

For rats in bushes / Campers... If standing still for 5 seconds or more spontaneously combust (light on fire)

Bow rebalance - arm or leg shot 25 damage for quickshot 50 for full draw. Still causes bleeding
Chest shot quick shot 50 damage 100 full draw
Drastically increase drop rate for frag arrows

[coral pulsar]

Congrats, money doesn't exist for you. The other 99.999% of us still have to contend with hunts economics.

[coral pulsar]

For every 1 bush camper I've met, I've faced 1000 trio's inside lairs meant for duos with no consumables.

But yeah I'm on board for some sort of way to force people out of lairs.

[carmine needle]

beetles

work reallllllly well for this rn

[rotund obsidian]

pubg bz grenades that cause a massive aoe DoT zone but like, giganerfed compared to those

[empty oasis]

@fathom grotto #feedback message
Not sure what you're complaining about? You're using a silencer, which drops the dmg falloff 10m sooner than base winnie, and you were over 10m father out?
Also compact vs medium?

[rotund obsidian]

Winnie silencer isn't 10m reduced falloff, it just adjusts the curve (unless they changed it with the recent silencer changes)

I think you hit the minimum damage by like 75 meters

meanwhile the regular winnie doesn't hit that same minimum until like 150ish

[fathom grotto]

Stats of both guns and the ammo types being used in that fight. Frontier silencer with FMJ has damage start to fall of at 105 meters. My damage was 61 at 42 meters. Maybe you should actually look at the stats of the weapons before responding.

[crystal plume]

That's not how the stats work

Drop range is where the projectile starts having enough bullet drop where you need to adjust your aim

[empty oasis]

Dmg falloff is 20(?)m with pistol and 30(?)m with compact rifle minus 10m for silencer

Iirc my drop tables correctly

[fathom grotto]

That's not explained in the game at all or on the stats page which just makes this whole time even worse. Devs don't know what they are doing.

[crystal plume]

You need to hover over the stat to see it's description

Not sure how it works on console

But either way at this point you are just moving the goal post

As far as I can see your gun did about as much damage as it was supposed to at that range

[empty oasis]

No, I meant the dmg falloff starts 10m sooner with silencer

[rotund obsidian]

yes, that's not how it works

it begins at 20m

the silencer doesn't change the range where falloff starts

on the winnie specifically

and most others i think

in some cases it does~~, but that's the exception honestly (maybe)~~

actually no i guess winnie is the exception ever since medium got upped to 30m default

[mossy igloo]

Does a hunter idea count at feedback?

[rotund obsidian]

#game-ideas probably

[flint sapphire]

Bring back the game mode battle for reward
The main mode is boring and long
You run for 20 min and you get killed by a cheater or random player
People come after work and want to fight
They don't have time to play 10 hours of normal mode
They want to fight in 5 min right away!
You're losing thousands of players by removing this mode.
Bring back the mode and see an increase in online and battle pass purchases!

So people will only play your game on weekends!
You removed the best mod in the game, which gave a new lease of life
You lost the online, people want to play the battle mode for rewards every day!!!

[upper grail]

Yes Crytek, bring back bounty clash! This guy wants to fight after work!

[flint sapphire]

I want to play your divine reward battle mode after work
I have 1 hour or 2
I can't play the normal mode where I'll run for 2 hours and die in a second
In Bounty Clash I can get emotional even in 1 hour of play.

[final lodge]

For the cross time skins idea one thing I like would possibly make it so if you own one gun skin you get a huge discount for the other depending on how different each version is

like the Schofield swift vs the base

[vast geyser]

@lament orbit
"This feature provides balancing since 9 out of 10 times these players are outnumbered at every encounter."

Hence the term 'solo'.

[lament orbit]

You obviously have no concept of design or balancing functionality.

At least you grasped the term "solo"

[coral pulsar]

Dont forget to change your name to express your outrage

[vast geyser]

Why would I need balancing in a hardcore PvP shooter? The only balance should be a greater reward. Other than that the playing field should be equal and more challenging for solos, but yeah, get personal, that's always the best solution.

[unborn dagger]

@steel axle Why are people even against having the prestige being uncapped.

[lyric cipher]

Regulating bounty clash to weekends feels like a parent taking away a fun toy because they saw you enjoying it too much

"You will only have fun in the manner that I decide!"-CryingTecknologies 2025

[opaque ferry]

bring it back

end this foolishness

[steel axle]

because hunt is a perfect game and it should be played only how specific people want it. any change they dont want shouldnt be added lol

[blissful crest]

this game is dead, I had 5000h in that game but developers has killed it by irrational changes, that game was good at patch 0.8, than it was worst and worst. Only what they do is release stupid skins, its not CS 2! No one can trade it, no one would like to have that option. You are scam Crytec and I am really glad after al those years that I was right, it is your end 🙂 BTW I will be not suprise if they ban me for this - they did it in official steam forum for much less ^^

[opal carbon]

I was offered 6000 hunt dollars and I put the code in, Never worked. Never got the hunt dollars. Got a offer of 100 blood bondes and sent a trouble shoot request and crickets

[wet surge]

hm chat text no show bug is very strange, but maybe it fixed by switching Windows Keyboard language with left alt+shift, then i started see text, and teammate could see my text..

[lunar sierra]

Duncan is that you?

[foggy plaza]

I was offered 6000 hunt dollars and instead got an update that killed the game. It won't load at all any more. I've reinstalled it and reinstalled every driver. The issue is with the game that worked until they decided to break it...again

[latent geyser]

Hold on, did you get an update for entering a code ?

[willow hedge]

For the n-th time: Clash is not gone for good. They never said that

[cedar sky]

A couple of weeks since i played the game. I played two games on eu servers, with only people from other continents, with high ping. Ser you in a couple of weeks…

[wanton imp]

But why isn't available then!??

smh why did they remove clash...

But seriously though. i think its healthy to have clash available on weekends only

if clash was on always.. queue times would be longer on weekdays

for both bounty clash and bounty hunt

[rustic timber]

I hear frustration, and do understand your emotions. But a scam? Yeah, I don't agree with every decission myself.. and I hate them balancing things in insane ratioes, and not picking up the issue for months. But you have gotten new stuff. New map, engine, weapons, enemies.. Calling it a scam, and becoming hostile is an overreaction. So I can only assume something has happend that made the game less fun to play. Share it with us! 🙂 I am considering a break myself. My favorite weapons is the lever actions.. centennial in particular. They are getting nerfed, and nerfed, to the point that they are less fun for me to use. More recoil, spread, less firerate, levering becomming expensive, all custom ammoes nerfed. and sadly no new once that I like. Even worse.. by nerfing my centannial, that I have used constantly for years with fmj.. Makes me feel like crytek is telling me that my weapon, that has been so difficult to use in so many situations.. Somehow was op without me noticing.. Makes the pride and joy I have felt in my six star into less of an achivement. A kd of 1.86 into a dissappointing "was the gun carrying me?". Which somehow has soured my enjoyment of the game. Taking a break might be healthy, despite the huge investment of my time I have used in it. Now the centennial is gonna be even slower then the krag.. and I just know it is gonna be even less fun for me in a game where double tap matters alot. But I have had a lot of great times.. Just hope more western games comes out in the future. The reason why I found hunt, was because RDR 2 was delayed in 2018, and I was looking for a game to carrying me over. It did not only do that, but outlasted rdr 2.. and now 7 years laters, am I considering a break!. No regrets. 😉

[bitter path]

Damn clash is so good, now that it's gone, I feel like hunt is too slow. 😂😂

We've been spoiled with clash which takes all the best things about hunt - big, multi-team compound fights, and now it's hard to go back!!

[small knoll]

Hi Crytek, I fully understand why the trade window was reduced but the it really sucks for people playing with higher ping. I am from South Africa and my best server is Europe with 170-180 ping and the amount of times I get invalidated hits is just ridiculous. No idea why you would go from 800ms to 85ms, like a lot of other balances you have made to the game you just take it too far! The logical thing to do is to make the trade window the same as the ping limit which is far as I know is 225ms, or change the ping limit to 85ms and reimburse all the players that cant play below this threshold. I have over 2000hrs and love Hunt but at this point it is not enjoyable to play and very frustrating.

[neon bloom]

They should just remove the trade window altogether, your poor ping is your problem, not anyone else's

[tardy quartz]

#feedback message
@tulip cedar "join people from further away" leads to very undesirable effects in a competitive multiplayer game. Even less "fair" than playing against someone who's rated higher in a fairly arbitrary rating system. In other words: If an idea for a fix makes the experience worse: it's not a fix

[tardy quartz]

You really shouldn't feel entitled to get a good experience in an online multiplayer game when you are unfeasibly far away from your peers. This makes the experience worse for everyone who has to play with you. You feel like a cheater to them because, to them, you are "ping abusing" - even if you aren't doing it on purpose because that's "as good as it gets for you" - still, this "as good as it gets" is "really bad"

[queen jungle]

It's not cheating to want to be able to play with your friends

[tardy quartz]

read what I wrote and try to understand it

[tardy quartz]

and consider their ping of 180ms 😛

that's 50% worse than US east playing in EU

[tardy quartz]

if "playing with your friends" makes you have a ping of 180ms, it will feel like cheating to other people on that server

[slate valve]

Ok Rachta bot... I can assure you playing on 180 if anything puts the person on that ping at more of a disadvantage. you are getting an easy game if anything not my problem if you can't hit shots. the problem is something closer to 300 that is where ping abusing comes into play. people who "ping abuse go way harder than 180ms.

[tardy quartz]

What is wrong with you that you resort to insults and projection? Bye

[coral pulsar]

Not sure that logic tracks if the same ratio of classic hunt/clash players stays the same.

!clash

[marsh garden]

Clash is weekend only for the time being.

[coral pulsar]

Don't like that.

[random aspen]

Gotta love a game and developers that kill it themselves. Still no cross-play invites. Losing players.. fine with 10k players a day. Everyday people complain no Clash and they just stick to their guns about it. Such a Wild business model.

[frigid kiln]

I feel like hunt has been trying to climb a hill for most of its existence. I thought some updates even maybe a battle pass or two would send us bearing down hill through the other games out here, but I’m starting to change my view. To See, flat muddy ground, not climbing but instead pulling ourselves through gunk while something clings to us. Something not good not bad but, different. Different to anything out there and I would prefer not to lose this difference to the gunk.

[rustic timber]

You really want consol to play with pc? I don't see how that is not gonna be a hell for console. But if they want it, then atleast they asked for it.

[random aspen]

Cmon use your brain… why is that EVERYBODIES FIRST THING TO SAY.. “yOu WaNt pC tO pLaY WiTh CoNsOlE” No dude…. I WANT TO PLAY WITH CONSOLES….. Xbox to Playstation…. We can random up with them… play in game with them… but cant invite like any successful gaming franchise lets people do. Uniting players together..

[rustic timber]

I thought xbox and playstation could play with each other. You can't invite each other?

Seems odd.. Well.. hoping for 2025 then for u console guys.

[random aspen]

It is Us(gamers) vs. Crytek Developers. Fighting hard for a game and wanting everybody I know to play it because its truly one of a kind. We arent all together in this. Hard to be when they dont help much.

[random aspen]

Na bro they let us random up in lobbies together. Play in game together. But you cannot add friends like fortnite and epic did, rocket league, cod, pubg, apex, the new Marvel Rivals.. guess what it had Day 1!… its wild really.

[rustic timber]

Wonder why.. It is not like crytek sits on their asses, laughing over not providing the option. What is the limitation that makes that happend.. the engine? Their server provider.. U got me curious now,

[coral pulsar]

!clash

[marsh garden]

Clash is weekend only for the time being.

[coral pulsar]

Boooo

[empty oasis]

From my understanding, it's due to backend user profiles and a framework to connect them.

Those other games have systems within the game to facilitate invites and friends lists.

Hunt does not. Even pc relies on steam and not anything in game

Now as to how hard/expensive it would be to build that framework and if it'd be worth the cost and effort?
🤷‍♂️

[rustic timber]

Makes sense. Thank you for commenting on this. I would have imagined it being worth it for their 2.0 launch. But apperantly not.

[gilded knoll]

#game-ideas message @deep basin what’s wrong with it?

[deep basin]

@gilded knoll often times concertina & poison tripmines won't kill hunters like it did in the past

[gilded knoll]

Like they’re able to get out? My buddies and I don’t use lethals very often and we practically never get caught in them, so I don’t have a good enough sample size from recent months. The one or two I have hit did kill me

[deep basin]

yes, they (and myself) are able to get out pretty easily without being killed

[undone tiger]

I’m guessing no one knows the ping limit? I believe when they first did this is was 250, made it laughable

[white plover]

It's somewhere around 220 iirc

anything red you can't select as a region

[white plover]

@spark mauve If you are using the same ammo as an enemy hunter you can swap your gun for theirs to collect the ammo

[vocal osprey]

If anything should be scarce it should be slugs.

[white plover]

Slugs got hit pretty hard by deviation and other changes

I see just normal buckshot a lot more than slugs these days because buckshot is in a really solid place right now

[gentle jacinth]

@junior pilot hand crossbow definitely does not do more damage than regular crossbow lol

[empty oasis]

18m torso 1hk vs 35m for the fullsized xbow

[random aspen]

Marvel Rivals had it Day 1 of the game dropping.. every successful game has it. It helps the game. Proof is in the pudding. Unarguable. Create Crytek account.. Xbox and ps5 same servers already why cant we log into crytek account and invite another. I feel its the tiniest baby step in programming to get it together.

[empty oasis]

Now as to how hard/expensive it would be to build that framework and if it'd be worth the cost and effort? 🤷‍♂️

MR was also developed by a large dev with significant backing

[prime plank]

Why dont we have option that can see all skin ( including locked and unlocked) of a weapon, like LoL

[celest spindle]

@marsh dagger #game-ideas message
honest reaction of chukonoo:

[neon bloom]

Yeah because they are in such a good spot right now

[rustic timber]

Hey.. if you are still having issues fighting AI in this game, then that is on you! xD

[alpine sphinx]

It’s just a bad suggestion

[prime plank]

https://ctueduvn-my.sharepoint.com/:x:/g/personal/khoib2110585_student_ctu_edu_vn/ETKO7SQeuWlKiSwQJB0EKYsB5blKecV6XYecXxtu-9NryA?e=oG5dKQ please read it

I dont know if they are bugs, or just 'feature'

[narrow lava]

CRYTEK can you PLEASE make those chart files larger in the recent survey data post? Like why am I having to 7x the page to read the charts...

holy UI

[restive birch]

haha i was just coming here to say the same thing.... Crytek are on a roll with UI eh But yeah please, can it be made so that we can actually click on the graphs and see whats written there!!

For what its worth... rather than zooming in, its easier to Right click the Graph and select "open image in new tab"

that way it will be correct size but man thats annoying to have to do for so many graphs

pls and thx

[gleaming valve]

or go to the site in a browser

[restive birch]

?

What did you think we were viewing it in?

[gleaming valve]

Had only problems with the graphs in the steam-window, thought you looked there 😄

[gleaming valve]

in a browser i can click on them?

[restive birch]

ah nah i wasnt viewing in Steam. You definitely cannot click them in a browser.... or at least, not in Brave, Chrome or even the mighty Edge.

[gleaming valve]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/eventcomments/594016333228688466

[gleaming valve]

works for me in firefox

[runic dome]

According to the recently released survey results, players are getting a lot less trades lately. This is good in-and-of-itself, but I feel like the culture and emotions behind trades has completely shifted. This might just be me, but every trade i've gotten recently has felt earned, like my teammates can make a play off of it, and when I'm running solo, necro gets to come in clutch. What do y'all think?

I am hesitant to call the issue "Fixed", but I feel like trades are down to muzzle velocity rather than latency now, so there isn't much to be done.

[carmine needle]

Trades feel like they're in a good spot

as you said, the few times Ive had them happen, it feels earned

[latent geyser]

Adding velocity for bullets in a fps means that trades will always be present, even funnier when considering that hitscan fps also have that issue, but much more rarely.

[alpine pollen]

not sure where to ask this but anyone know anything about the all talk not working?

[white plover]

That seems to be a bug that people experience, but just to make sure it's not on your end make sure you have "Mute All" turned off + the right input + output devices selected

[cobalt nimbus]

I want a channel to report hackers, showing evidence or something like that, I can't stand reporting players who use illegal things, falling into the same game more than 5 times a day.

[white plover]

Naming and Shaming is not allowed in this discord server

[rustic timber]

I can see why that would be for noobs! 😉

[rustic timber]

But why would not the move from latency, to the one that has a faster bullet be a good thing?

[white plover]

They mean just the "trade problem" isn't fixed because trades still happen but at this point is is mainly due to the game having projectile fire

So there is a travel time which will inevitably result in trades

But I agree, the trades I've felt happen feel like legit trades

[runic dome]

Exactly, and that's not a bad thing, just a quirk of the system.

[empty oasis]

!report

[marsh garden]

If you would like to report a player, you can do so on the Team Details tab in your Last Mission section on the home page. Select the player -> Open Profile -> Report. It is also accessible in the Last Match tab at any time. If you have additional proof you would like to provide, you can find out how to reach out to official support here: #customer-support

Please note that you can still report people even if you don't have their SteamID by providing your own SteamID, time of the incident with a time zone and region. Hiding statistics/profiles does not prevent reporting.

[quartz crag]

Crytek gotta fix their disonnect issues. Its so annoying having to keep retrying reconnect on and on and still either getting stuck on a blank game background or infinitely loading screen. Fix your stuff - test these issues. No other popular game has so many disconnect issues.

[alpine pollen]

yeah I have it off and no one can hear me neither, it's just kinda sad I miss conversing with fellow Hunters in the bayou and mountains ^^'

[empty oasis]

@spare grotto https://discordapp.com/channels/350201607788429323/727457773205323827/1345362688926158908
There is new player protection. They are under that protection until prestige 0 bloodline rank 100 after which they join the normal queue . . . Unless they partner up with someone already past that point.
You are the one who took away his newb protection when yall partied up together

Any other way you do it wouldnt be fair because either you couldnt play together or it'd bring you, the experienced player, down into the protected queue

[hollow forge]

This game is dawgshit. I’ve never had to restart my pc so many times in the span of a hour just for 2 games

[latent geyser]

#game-ideas message
The Bullseye name correspond to all weapons with a scope but no stock. Also the way the player hold the stripper is prevented by the scope. That said, it could use a faster reload compared to the rest.

[modest cypress]

Anyways hopefully this update just brings more gameplay

[rustic timber]

Weird issue. Have you verified your installation?

[tardy quartz]

#feedback message @spare grotto Yeah, it's problematic if new players play with veterans and very quickly leap up in the mmr system - still, it would be equally, if not more problematic, if playing with a new player would let a veteran play against a server full of enemies who are new players - there is no easy solution to this

[tardy quartz]

exactly

[rustic timber]

I always hoped we could get a mentor role or something where our kd wasn't affected by our death.. But we where nerfed to 100 hp or something, to balance us out against lesser mmr.,

[tardy quartz]

idk - letting vets play against new players would be problematic even with the vet having 1hp ^^ - maybe a "vs ai"-mode to roam the maps and explain things and mechanics, show mean angles, etc - where there's nobody else around to get clapped by the experienced player

like a "shooting range meets the old explore mode"

with ping that shows distance, etc

in general, i agree with @empty oasis that an experienced player who invites a new player into a party has the responsibility to harden them so they can stand on their own in the shark tank - it is the vet who pulled them out of the kitty pool, afterall - you can't later on be like, no fair, they're screwed now - that's on the vet, not crytek, for not training them well enough for what the vet got the other fellow into

[rustic timber]

I am flattered. But we are not gods. We do get hit, and to be a one hit to most weapon is a huge drag. I think the problem here is that we can't make matches 100 % fair. People are differently skilled. But we need players, and people want to play with friends. If two best friends can't play togheter in this game because their skills are different, then we loose them. If the better player is willing to nerf himself to play with his friend, then that is a fantastic sacrifice.

I am sorry, but it is a bit of a talent here aswell. How calm can you be in fights. Strategic are you? How fast cannyou react. I can't train a 3 star to become a six star. I can help him, but I can't fix him.

[tardy quartz]

i guess it's harder in this game because there's hundreds of things to know that nobody expects - like, don't stab the fire guy ^^

[empty oasis]

Even being a 1 shot to every weapon is not enough to realistically nerf vets to play against newbs

[tardy quartz]

yeah, it's a big responsibility - vet needs to be a good teacher and remain calm and find a balance between too much and too little information - and the beginner has a lot on their plate, learning-curve-wise, to keep up, listening, comprehending, while running around and getting shot at and torn apart by dogs with the occasional invincibility helmet xD

[rustic timber]

We can limit him to compact ammo weapon aswell. We will find a balance that works,

[tardy quartz]

i reckon, it's fine as is if people accept their responsibilities

for a new player, either play with the new players until you feel ready for the shark tank or be emotionally prepared to jump into the deep water with no way back - that's fiiiiiine if people are aware of the rules

[unborn sandal]

Honestly sometimes people just aren’t cut out for it. There are 3 stars with 3000 hours and 6 stars with 30. Some people are just better at games than others. That doesn’t mean you can’t still have fun

[empty oasis]

There is none realistically
I bought the game for a friend a few years ago and was showing him how to play in person. It matched me against a trio that I stalked and killed by meleeing them with my rifle butt and they never came close to hitting, much less killing, me

[rustic timber]

But I don't wanna fix my mate. I want him to have fun. He can't have fun being headshot by players in a six star lobby, he didn't even see. It is fine if we are okey with loosing players. But truth is that friends recruit each other into games, and we should help friends to play with each other. Hunt is a game after all, and needs a player base.

[tardy quartz]

in person (as in, on their new account), you don't even screw up their mmr ;D big plus

[tardy quartz]

everybody gets headshot by people they didn't see. that's part of the game. if you can't handle that, the game isn't for you

[unborn sandal]

honestly it’s a matchmaking problem. My main duo is a 3 star and we used to get good matches back in this games heyday where all our fights were fair and we got matched with players that were around our mmr average. They’ve tweaked the matchmaking so much and now it seems if you have one 6 star on your team you only get six star trios

[tardy quartz]

the devs dialled that back down again recently

[tardy quartz]

also, having "that one six star clap an entire lobby of four stars on account of having two and three star mates" wasn't exactly "fair" either

no easy solution to mixed-ability-teams in a team-pvp game

nobody wants to be forbidden from playing with friends on account of a software-perceived skill difference

[rustic timber]

But we are always complaing about unfair matches. I have played since 2018, and it was always a topic. We also put to much stock in those stars. I am six star, but I do meet four stars that are talented, but gets killed alot because of their aggressive playstyle. Doesn't mean they are bad players. They are just having more fun by being a bit more direct.

[tardy quartz]

true

[unborn sandal]

well we haven’t played since the ping based matchmaking got added. I’m us west and he’s Europe so we just don’t get matched against anyone when we play together anymore

Crytek destroying friendships

[tardy quartz]

ahh, US west is tough - US east and EU work

[unborn sandal]

That was back when 6 star actually meant something. 6 star is a husk of what it used to be

[tardy quartz]

also true

[tardy quartz]

and waiting ten minutes for a server of two wasn't great either xD

[rustic timber]

If it ever mattered being a six star. It only was how many kills vs deahs do u have in matches. And that ment you could easily sneak your way into six star by being campy.

[tardy quartz]

still exciting, not knowing whether there was anyone around, at all, after two empty servers in a row - but far from ideal

[unborn sandal]

Yeah I only got to 6 star once before they trivialized it and I matched the same 3 teams 4 games in a row

[tardy quartz]

yeah, the occasional kill-and-extract folks, rated 6*, who die to two dogs and a hive because they can shoot but aren't really good at the actual game, at all

[unborn sandal]

People still do that shit

[tardy quartz]

people will always do that :))))

[unborn sandal]

Only shoot at you from 150 meters and book it if you try to engage

[tardy quartz]

even if only 1/10000

10k folks sorted by an algorithm and you meet the one-in-ten-k guy every other week

[tardy quartz]

one of the reasons i like the bullet drop a lot, i suppose

[rustic timber]

Hunt is one of the few games I know, where "fairness" are being argued to the point of milliseconds in firerate on some weapons. Sometimes I wish the mmr system was invisible. I think seing the difference, makes us feel more unfairness then it actualky was.

[empty oasis]

Ive never liked having the stars visible. its just caused more problems than its ever helped imo

[tardy quartz]

yessssss

[tardy quartz]

indeeed

one friend of mine needlessly stressed out over the silly kda number, to the point of sabotaging his own gameplay by stressing over the goshdarned second decimal place numbers

[rustic timber]

That most have been a horror show when unlimited necromancy became a thing. For kd lovers, being revived constantly without any way to stop it.. I can imagine a bit of anger. xD

[tardy quartz]

ahhh, yeah - but he had overcome that phase already before that got to be a thing xD hehehe

[rustic timber]

I had a friend that was really into discussing strategy with me. Then they realeased the star system. Made him realise he was a 3 star, and I was a six. He stopped discussing strategy after that. It took away the confidence. He became a follower, constantly asking what I wanted him to do. Ruined our dynamic. Such a shame. Crytek can indeed hurt friendships.

I have just decided for myself, that I hate the star system! xD

[tardy quartz]

yeah, same with my kda-obsessed buddy - great game-sense and stragegizing - but too timid, missing opportunities, afraid to miss, on account of not being an ace shooter (probably, mainly due to not taking those shots and practicing how to lead - every shot you don't take is a missed opportunity to learn/to hit)

[keen flame]

I found a picture of the pointed bullet gel test

Spitzer can make more damage ,but it is has lower than default bullet ingame

[unborn smelt]

The reason for that, is gameplay balance.

Realistically there'd be no reason to use the "outdated" bullet shape of the regular ammo in Hunt. That's why IRL bullets developed into this shape, they fly further, faster and more precise while not loosing a lot of stopping power.

However using a straight up superior ammo for a bit higher cost does not make for a particularly fun gameplay experience

[tardy quartz]

@spark mauve #game-ideas message
That is already in the game. You can loot ammo of the same type - pick up their gun and pick up your gun again

[loud snow]

Anybody know if there’s any works on cross platform party and friend requests?

[carmine needle]

We've not heard anything on this

[loud snow]

Would be an awesome addition, queuing at the same time is a pain in the ass

[tardy quartz]

pre-teaming is against the rules anyway

[tardy quartz]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/conduct
point seven

[loud snow]

Not if you end up on the same team for the lobby, for it to work we have to both change to a further away server and we almost always end up in the same trio

[tardy quartz]

oh? you end up in the same team?

[loud snow]

Yea we managed to get it to work

[tardy quartz]

aight then, my bad!

[loud snow]

Took some trial and error but it’s almost flawless haha

No worries I know I explained it weird

[tardy quartz]

had no idea this was even possible in a feasible way

[loud snow]

Yea it took us a while to get it to work and now we play daily cross platform

[tardy quartz]

just shuffling mates until you recognize each other? xD

[loud snow]

Haha yea XD but it almost always works, maybe 1/10 we don’t match up

[tardy quartz]

then I just misunderstood the "queuing" part - that sounded like having loaded into a match, not while still in the lobby 🙂

[loud snow]

Yea I could’ve explained it better for sure lmao

[tardy quartz]

don't get yourself banned on accident!

xD

[loud snow]

lol that would happen to me

[tardy quartz]

without even doing anything naughty, just by making it sound that way

[loud snow]

Yea fair lol, I never understood why people want to cheat in games

[tardy quartz]

i don't really - it's not like you can swap hunt dollars into real dollars ;D ... yet xD

[loud snow]

Hunt bucks crypto XD

[tardy quartz]

get the exclusive hive swarm NFT while it's still wiggly!

[loud snow]

It’ll sting to pass up

[latent geyser]

#feedback message
Some people complained about it, we'll see how it goes in the future but I presume they're showcasing exactly what happens when you introduce ping limits. It's annoying, but the fault isn't all on Crytek on this one.

[lyric cipher]

I would absolutely love if we had true custom matches

so i could versus my friends

[final lodge]

that would be sick ngl

3v3 bounty hunt

[coral pulsar]

CMV: Looting hunters should restore healthbars as default.

[coral pulsar]

@viscid river

By rifles you mean no bolt actions right? I can't think of any western where wyatt earp is packin a mosin

[viscid river]

Sure I dont care

[coral pulsar]

you just dont want shotguns right?

[viscid river]

Just rifles and pistols like the post says

[dim swift]

but thats not crytek ruining the friendship tho

[tribal wyvern]

Sounds more like the guy has a very frail confidence.
Low stars doesn't mean you know nothing about the game and have no valid ideas lol.

high star just means you've killed more than youve died, but says nothing about how you did it.
You can get 5 kills in a game and still lose because of bad decisions, but you're still going to rise in stars.

[keen flame]

i think Spitzer should have more damage and longer drop distance

[rotund obsidian]

I think spitzer is already strong as fuck and buffing it would be ridiculous

[keen flame]

initial velocity of lebel 1886 Spitzer should is 720m/s

[rotund obsidian]

what, in real life?

[keen flame]

yes

[rotund obsidian]

hmm, im seeing 628m/s with the original ammunition, and 700m/s with a spitzer round in 1898

[keen flame]

beecaus its warhead is too weight

That is weight 13.3g

[rotund obsidian]

Is your only reasoning because of the real life ballistics?

because game balance always comes first, and spitzer is already monstrous.

[keen flame]

7.92*57mm Spitzer just weight 9.9g

[gilded knoll]

While we’re at it, let’s have it apply bleed, reduce target movement speed, and resupply from normal ammo boxes

[keen flame]

yes

[crystal plume]

Hunt aims for authenticity, not 100% realism

There's other games for realistic milsim gameplay, but Hunt still puts balance and gameplay first and foremost

[keen flame]

In past,Hunt is arealist style game

[gilded knoll]

Maybe not first and foremost, but it’s up there for sure lol

[rotund obsidian]

They put gameplay first, but their opinions on what constitutes good gameplay is shaky at times

[gilded knoll]

I could get behind that

[keen flame]

If Spitzer is too powerful maybe can modify it based on reality

In reality warhead is broken after pass thought the boby.

So in game can nerf penetration power

what new weapons will be available in the next update

[crystal plume]

Nothing has been shared yet

[rotund obsidian]

AK-47

[keen flame]

I hope isMle

Or long Martini

[keen flame]

hunt 1967

Grenade launcher but in 18 century

[stable trout]

Why is it possible for cheaters to play Hunt even after receiving a VAC ban on Steam? Can someone explain this?

[rotund obsidian]

getting a vac ban has nothing to do with hunt

[carmine needle]

Yep. VAC and Hunt are 2 different entities

[obsidian narwhal]

@keen flame spitzer isn't realistic but tbh, nothing about hunt's ballistics is realistic

577 nitro was designed to one-tap a rhino

in no way does a winchester 1873 have better ballistics than smokeless powder infantry weapons such as the lebel, mosin, or krag

[final lodge]

That ain’t a slim piece of wood

and FMJ rounds will go clean through wood in one piece

[stable trout]

@carmine needle ok I found this: VAC banned accounts can still play single-player games, local LAN games, and multiplayer on non VAC-secured game servers. So this means Hunt is a non Vac sceured game server. Sorry for asking, but isn´t it strange to welcome a player to hunt even they were caught cheating in other games ?

[obsidian narwhal]

VAC is iffy on a lot of shit

a VAC ban does in no way mean that the person is a guaranteed cheater

what you're looking for are "game bans", those are usually a lot more accurate

[stable trout]

got it 😉

[bright verge]

i really wish we could get old event skins somehow, some of the skins look so good and it kinda demotivates me from playing like, oh well, I can never get this skin that I really love why even bother.

[rotund obsidian]

something something evil dark magic designed to fuck up bullets disproportionately affects larger rounds

[twin solar]

Fuck the game this week, Weekly challange: Bow ... they downed me from 80m by hitting my arm ... three games

[keen flame]

There is not much difference between black powder and smokeless powder in game

.30-40krag is originally FMJ .

[oblique pewter]

I miss bounty clash mode. All my homies stopped playing ever since its taken out.

[white plover]

It's been a day

[quartz crag]

Back the running simulator for 20 minutes only to be downed by shotgun corner/bush camper 😂

[gilded knoll]

It’s here every weekend

[coarse hearth]

I need to vent: 😄

I really think Crytek has to change the burn system back to the olden days. No burning with bullshit like dragonbreath and flares. Just with yellow barrels or fucking oil lamps. Yes, this means a solo could potentially get back up after you leave if you do not find an oil lamp. Yes, you can not force out teammates every time they prefer to run instead of fighting. So, you have to keep in mind that there is, maybe a guy getting back up and coming after you. Unless you find a lamp or have enough traps to fuck em over - another topic but traps are pretty lame as well. This game was about tactics, movement, SOUND - god the sound was great once - and outplaying your opponents. All everybody does now is instaburning, all the time. If you want it that way then just get rid of the fucking burn system and declare people DEAD DEAD once they go down. Burning as it is today ruined the revive system.

And next, make only one exit on the map visible to everybody! The other exits can only be found if you literally see them with your own eyes or you have picked up a bounty. You will get rid of many exit campers and people just waiting inbetween an exit and the bounty. Then, you make the bounty WORTHWHILE! You should get a lot more money from killing a boss and extracting a bounty. Also you need to get something special, something you can not get otherwise!(maybe special traits?) Incentify getting a bounty! Why would I want to get a bounty when it's more lucrative to rat people out, loot them and cash registers than doing the actual fucking objective of the game?

And then get rid of the absolute bullshit that is any kind of explosive bolts and arrows. Get rid of the super fucked res-bolts - not only make them scarce, get rid of them! Or dramatically change how they work. They are just plain stupid and thousands of videos of good teams show how stupid they are. They made a clownshow out of fucking intense fights. And then make all the special ammo either disappear or scarce. I would prefer you get rid of fire and poison or rework how fire ammo works. Poison ammo is just stupid. FMJ is real and has its value and drawbacks, so does the dum dum for rifels and pistols. Get rid of all this other crap.

This game was so great, yes riddled with bugs and shitty servers! 100%. But at least they are trying to fix that shit now. If Crytek would focus on the core and not gimmicky shit, this game would steadily rise and thrive. Crytek could do so much. Work on balancing, bugfixing, servers, pingissues, cheaters and then make a new map (every year?), try out ways to make the bossfights more engaging, and sure on top of that you have your designers that make skins you can sell. I bought everything up until the end of 2023, because I loved the game and wanted to show support. But the game devolved into something it was never meant to be and I and both my trio mates stopped playing, one after another. I was the last one leaving Hunt a few weeks ago... we have over 10k hours over the last 5 years shared across the three of us in Hunt. We loved this game! Crytek can bring it back when focusing and understanding what made this game so unique and polish it.
And for gods sake begin to understand, that "nerfing" a weapon via its price is never going to work. If you make very strong weapons and justify it by a high price, it will only affect people who are already losing their matches because they wont bring out enough money to buy the meta stuff. But the people who have the meta stuff and are good and bring home a lot of dough( I have over 300K and it only becomes more and more, I do not care what loadouts cost!) they dont worry about that. Stop prizing shit because you want to balance it. Balance is regulated by its values like damage, reload speed etc...

Get it together Crytek. And maybe we will return someday...

I havent been playin onyl a couple weeks and miss the game. But I won't return because it is so frustrating what this game has become and also I want my friends to return too. I want to play with them. Crytek has an opprtunity to fix things. These are changes that need to happen

[keen flame]

I just want to play new weapen like win1895/1894/1892/1886

[broken sable]

I need help, I bought the game a long time ago and I've never had a problem, but in the current updates it crashes my PC every time a game ends and I have to go to the main menu again, the game crashes my PC and I have to restart it, does anyone know how to solve it? This is the only problem

[final lodge]

Pc specs?

[broken sable]

AMD Ryzen 5 5600G with Radeon Graphics 3.90 GHz
ram 24
gtx 850

something else?

[viral violet]

i have feedback, can we get some better servers?

[light sequoia]

We're at the 5000 series...
At this point he's just oblivious

[rocky heath]

i agree with this statement...got on to play and im getting off after one game because we rubber banded every 2 secs

[empty oasis]

Minimum specs are

[final lodge]

I honestly think he was just trolling

[olive trail]

I hear ya dude, good rant. The fact is the game has had terrible leadership from mr cod for a long time, they dont listen to their true fanbase and have completely lost connection with what made this game unique, its lost it identity. Now for the past month we have seen average playing numbers not seen since 2021! They have made their bed, really there is only two possible announcements incoming, another event or we are closing the servers.... So very sad i really loved this game

[crystal plume]

@icy tapir Hunt is already using DLSS 3.7 and FSR 3.1

[icy tapir]

Huh. When did that happen? I know 1896 launched with older FSR 2 and DLSS (which seemed really odd to do for the engine update). Guess I just didn't notice because I'm on a 20 series GPU.

[crystal plume]

2.1 update if I recall

But tbh even with forcing the new transformer DLSS model I still see artifacting and blurring

Hunt just isn't good for DLSS or FSR with so much detail, vegetation and such

And pixel peeping

[rustic timber]

I suppose not. But there are games that simply doesn't show the behind the scene mmr. I think that would be better. Because as so many points out, the stars doesn't mean anything. Yet they end up mean something anyway. A six star solo is supposely amazing against duoes and even trioes if we are to believe the comment-sections. And I personally believe that the stars do split people up, " You are the reason we have to play aginst high mmr, and now I get killed all the time!". The game kinda wants you to play with similar skilled friends. I played on a six star match the other day, and one team had a one star with them. So teams was: 666, 666, 661, 666. We all had a fun time.. But I do worry that 1 star might be feeling like he is a third wheel.

[rustic timber]

I would agree. And low confidence is indeed an apt description of my friend. But it is not a crazy intrepretation either. "I keep having to play with people that the game says are better then me. I can't hear or see them. My friend survives every match and gets kills. Our team mmr keeps going up! This isn't fun anymore. I should play something else!". Which is what happend.. There are only so long a guy is willing to loose, before he gives up.

[dim swift]

I also think this game doesn’t need to show mmr

[gilded knoll]

#game-ideas message @violet nimbus that defeats the purpose of them defining mythic skins in the first place.

[violet nimbus]

Well I tried but mostly I'm the saying that so people who wanted a skin but can't get it now is able it will only be a one time use and have to be used on the anniversary day but I understand

[final lodge]

What we need is a player ran market

so item rarity never goes up but people who missed events can still get them

[violet nimbus]

I'll be down for that

[final lodge]

tf2 did it really well

[tribal wyvern]

This works for any game. CS, Rainbow six etc.
But in those you wouldn't even be able to play together.
Talking about "ranked" here, because it's the only fair comparison, considering R6 & CS "deathmatch" doesn't even have a mmr system.

My tip here is to buy the game on sale and smurf.

[rustic timber]

It is not a bad idea... All do Hunt becomes a chore then. For I can't play competitive anymore. I can't make kills. Everything is defensive, being my partners bodyguard. And for what? Hoping that my partner gets better during those matches? You get raised very quickly in this game.. I wish there was a mentor system. A nerfing of me, so I can play competive, and also he can play against his level, and it feels fair for the rest of the community. If it is to give me 33 - 50 % less hp.. or whatever. Then sure.. that's fine. Force me to play a old coot characther that coughs, have less stamina, and more sway.. we can find the balance I think. 🙂

[latent geyser]

No. That's a huge opening for illegal items trading.

I don't think TF2 does it that well if you consider how shitty it has been for CSGO.

[final lodge]

Tf2 does it well people are just not very smart online

[latent geyser]

There you go. People will be a problem.

[carmine needle]

Yeah, no thanks.

[charred sorrel]

same lobby, i don't see point in showing mmr anymore lol

[white plover]

Not soul survivor right?

Soul Survivor just pits everyone against each other in the same match, it does not use your MMR to matchmake

[charred sorrel]

it's soul but if mmr is not taken into account why show it or there should be atleast some warning on team screen

[white plover]

Makes sense why the MMR difference is so vast, one reason I could think of to show MMR is that it is interesting to see what the overall makeup of your game was MMR wise, but you are correct it does not necessarily need to be shown

[charred sorrel]

i agree, it's just was not intuitive, i don't play soul survivor much so didn't know about mmr difference in this mode

[white plover]

Completely understandable, i think there could be a heads up even if just for new players since that is a mode a lot of them seem to try out which means they face people on the other end of the MMR scale

[ornate kettle]

I'm really getting sick of seeing silenced krags in every fucking game

[knotty bay]

can't beat em, join em!

[karmic robin]

half a star team MMR is CRAZY

[wheat ibex]

krag became super dominant once it's 1 "weakness" was removed which is the 124 to 126 damage increase, it was always good before that though.

[latent geyser]

blame the players for that one

[twin solar]

Match MMR broken

well... xD Matchmaking are so broken: Team Trio MMR(s): one-star all up to six-stars in every game ^^

[torn quiver]

@unborn sandal if you know how to play with high ping it is advantage

[unborn sandal]

It’s literally not. The way the hit validation works in this game there is zero way to gain advantage with high ping but keep validating your xenophobia sure

[torn quiver]

lol not even xenophobia, literally if you try to shoot someone with high ping your hits dont register and if you have high ping you can abuse it so well. have you watched rachtaz video when he played high ping? i have played with and against high ping so yeah, high ping for my experiences have always had advantage

100 ping limit for every server 👍

@flint sapphire bounty hunt is not boring, its the main aspect of the game and should be, if hunt becomes call of duty it dies, it needs to keep its original identity, if you want to play game with fast fights and dont have time to play max 45 min matches then dont play the game. games that need to "be for everyone" are for no-one, those kind of games die out because they lose their identity instead of being unique in their own way. Hutn doesnt need to be big and strong game that rivals cod and bf because it doesnt. quality over quantity
edit: also if you just run around only to get killed that means you cant move quietly, game is mostly about the sound and hunting

[unborn dagger]

How is that even xenophobia? Wut?

[torn quiver]

was thinking the same, i guess they want to play on other servers to abuse higher ping and tries to gaslight other people thinking otherwise by using terms like that

[unborn sandal]

I play this game with one person (or rather used to play. I haven’t played a hunt match in close to a month). I live in us west and he lives in Europe. We used to play every day but since the ping change it’s only empty lobbies

[torn quiver]

the ping change is not great by forcing players to high ping lobbies but its also not great for other players to get killed by high ping players

[tawny cosmos]

Think optimizing is another thing that needs to be done.

[empty oasis]

@trail furnace Your feedback has been removed due to Post Your Own Feedback

[little fulcrum]

the high ping limit had to be done. I would imagine most people can achieve 100 ping. the interesting thing is going to be if one teammate in a trio has a family member doing a large download or upload during matchmaking that kicks everyone into a high ping lobby with no way to know if you're in a high ping lobby, which is probably going to increase the occurrence of people claiming trades or weird hitreg is reoccurring.

[vapid onyx]

This was similar to my experience tonight in regular bounty hunt. Average team MMR was 2 star and I was playing against 6 star players

[rotund obsidian]

@tiny cobalt #feedback message just want to say this is completely false, shotguns are still very capable of killing with a bodyshot through a single layer of wood post nerf.

[torn quiver]

@eager mango what about people who normally get like 60 pings? 100 limit is good enough

[hot vigil]

Yeah, 50'ish ping limit is insane lol.
The harshes it can be is 100ms, but that also requires a huge playerbase with servers for more regions across the world.

[tiny cobalt]

How consistent is this? After my own experience and seeing multiple similar complaints I was led to believe that post nerf, shotguns couldn't 1 shot through walls. Does this require a headshot or does this only need a bodyshot? I had made my conclusion after several games of 2-3 shotting at 2-6 meters with specter being nonlethal. But perhaps I am only hitting legshots or similar. Oddly too, even in times where I have had all the time I could ever need to aim, I can't seem to even do enough damage for a follow up with my rifle to kill. I guess I should do a more thorough look at it in the shooting range.

[rotund obsidian]

This is entirely bodyshot, and I was able to get it pretty much 100% consistently within this range on the dummies in the range. Maybe a meter or so less with the slate. Obviously the number of pellets you hit matters, and on actual hunters, the orientation of your enemy may reduce the number of pellets that land, but that'll only vary results by a bit.

[sterile beacon]

Ping limits are completely reasonable, I live US East and I have a friend in Australia I play with in US West server region that rarely gets above 80 ping so if he can achieve it other people who want to play on different server regions surely can

[queen jungle]

there is no way he gets 80 ping, I do the same and my friend gets about 160. Have you even played since they did the stealth update?

[sterile beacon]

We played last night and yes he usually does occasionally he’ll have a bad night but that’ll be his internet having an issue most the time

Plus this is pretty consistent across most games we play

Some run a little higher than others

[queen jungle]

I have trouble believing you at all

Ping limits are not necessary anyway

[sterile beacon]

The only games I’ve known to cause issues for either of us was GTA V and Ark survival evolved both of which though have issues with poor data streaming optimization

[latent geyser]

#game-ideas message @torn quiver tbh increasing the cost of a trait is much more important than increasing the cost of a weapon. Having it be on par with fanning means that you'll lose on a lot to get it/keep it.

[molten jasper]

The random modifers need not be so strong. 3 star lobbies with 5 star groups containing 2x6 and one 5 star? No. No need for this. They have VOIP now, they'renot at the disadvantage that they used to be.

Half the lobbies today have 1 team 1.5-2 stars higher than the match and they're just wiping the lobbies. Fun for them, not for the new player's I'm trying to introduce the game to.

[marble mauve]

rework the free hunter system back to how it worked before or make tweaks to the clash econ and ecosystem, its ridiculous i have to play out 5 matches of hard fights just to get the same reward as two bounty hunts when the hunts are half as difficult. fucking stupid.

[white plover]

Clash is faster

And you can have the same amount of fights in bounty hunt that you can have in clash

[marble mauve]

also increase the threshold for mmr differences im 500 hours just playing with a 200 hour buddy going against 12k hour 6 stars who havent left their house in three years, love getting shitstomped when im just stoned and wanna have fun. 6 stars isnt enough for a proper mmr range and yall are way too generous with mmr.

[molten jasper]

The lobbies this weekend are absolute rediculous. Like MMR was turned off.

Get our heads kicked in, I spectate and watched 3 straight hunts where a single group just rolled the servers.

[tranquil warren]

I thought my poor group was the only one 💀 getting stomped and im so curious what was goin on

[real scroll]

Something most people might not care but can we get better point shop profile backgrounds on Steam please?
All of these backgrounds are poorly designed to the point majority of it is covered because of the Steam profile layout.
I've included examples as to why they are barely viewable.

[astral gazelle]

May i ask if the devs actually read the feedback section here?

[alpine sphinx]

Likely some unpaid intern

[trim marten]

At least someone is shifting trough them and noting the most notable ones i assume.

Like if there is a lot of bug reports of specific bug it would indicate it's not a rare bug. Thus something that needs to be worked on.

Rotjaw idea and idea about "roaming" bosses on the map was posted on game ideas channel several times before it was implemented.

Lot of complaints that are recurring in feedback or bug report have been addressed at least at some extent. Take that as you will.

[latent geyser]

Just because there's a lot of well rated feedback doesn't mean it will be implemented in the game. It can also be used to tweak existing mechanics based on said feedback, for example what happened with the revive bolt : it will get nerfed according some feedback (with the exception of the "just remove it" since I think it would put them in legal issues).

[torn quiver]

yes but price is never the real way to balance things, levering is too accurate

[latent geyser]

Well, there's a huge difference between $ balance and trait point balance. The first one won't affect people who don't care about money or those who have too much. The second, however, will have you think more about the actual value of levering over different traits : you may want to take it, or perhaps packmule/iron eye will both be more interesting for you.

Traits costing more makes them rarer, in a more apparent way than weapons costing more.

[torn quiver]

i have not said anything about weapon price, levering price could be lower for all i care but the accuracy buff was too much and should be reverted because it allows players who cant aim to just default to unga bunga playstyle which should never work or if it does it should be well planned surprise but levering is far from it. especially with centennial the levering is too easy to shoot accurate with

[latent geyser]

Well you talked about actual balance, and trait point is a way for balance. But even if it's that accurate, it's still not a guarantee to win. It can as well screw you up. If anything, a very slight recoil, spread and speed would be nice, but not too much.

[torn quiver]

previous accuracy was just fine, not this one. about 1 out of 7 times levering fails the player using it and other times it works out because they dont need to do anything but to just spam and if they hit even single bullet, the aim punch makes it almost impossible to get your shots before they get their 2nd. especially centennial is stupid with accurate levering

[fickle flame]

Has the rejoin mechanic been patched/fixed?

[vernal plank]

@deft shore wdym reset kills stat

[white plover]

@lament cove Your post in #game-ideas has been removed due to breaking the do not repost your own ideas rule

[grim wolf]

Yes

[vernal schooner]

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[unborn dagger]

If only it was actually a roaming boss :/

[pastel igloo]

Running the Martini with High Velocity ammo makes the Martini more expensive than the Sparks, but according to the weapons stats, the base Sparks still has a higher muzzle velocity, better range, better damage and more ammo in reserve. Please give the Martini some love.

[rotund obsidian]

And the martini cycles about 30% faster. they aren't the same gun, and they shouldn't be the same.

[pastel igloo]

Do you run high velocity with it?

[rotund obsidian]

no, probably fmj the most, then normal. if it's not on the ironside, I'll sometimes split incend/normal

high velo is just kinda whatever

the martini's advantage over the sparks is that it's significantly better up close

doubly so for the ironside

sparks cycle is 4.9s, martini is 3.5, and ironside is a 1.8

[pastel igloo]

I guess that's my point, I would add high velocity if I wanted a faster bullet and more range, but I get that for less with sparks. The faster reload is nice. I just think they should lower the cost of high velocity for the martini. Or buff it to justify the price.

[crystal plume]

Keep in mind that there's more to deciding which weapon to use than just raw stats, preference and feel of the gun also play a big role

As well as the available variants

While sparks might have better stats than martini with HV, for scoped options it's locked to a sniper variant

While martini supports both deadeye and marksman as well

Even with the base variant some people might prefer the irons of martini over the sparks

[rotund obsidian]

can also just take half HV for a slightly better option at range to keep the upsides at close range and slightly mitigate the downsides at further range

[trim marten]

Fire ammo up close is fun. I have been trying to make martini fire ammo work in various ways with pain sense. Then try to wallbang them with sparks pistol fmj.

I first tried to make it work with martini fmj with frag arrows, but it's a bit iffy and i am bit unsure how fmj works with penetration. does it increase penetration damage or does it help to penetrate layers.

Seems pretty impractical, but fun combo if i can make it work.

i doubt i can make it work.

[rotund obsidian]

fmj will penetrate more layers and retain more damage

[trim marten]

thx i was unsure of that.

[keen flame]

Mosin carbine?

[torn quiver]

@feral radish Have you been 6 stars always or only after engine update? Because i have like 2,2k hours and not single CONFIRMED cheater and i have been average 4-5 star player and long time in 6 stars after engine update

[random aspen]

Well until they get with the times Im tossing in the towel and recommending everyone else and whoever I come across to do the same. Still no cross-play invites. This game will fail. Its just been a slow burning process. Check the numbers. Every successful gaming franchise has cross play invites and able to lobby up. Dragging feet still not uniting players. So I will do it for them and turn them away. Its been a fun run since 2018!

[torn quiver]

how many of the cheaters you have seen are actually confirmed of cheating? just getting wallbanged or getting headshotted multiple times is not confirmation of cheating

[crystal plume]

Star rating doesn't really matter either way for this, some people claim that high MMR is "infested" with cheaters, some claim that they are in the lower MMR brackets due to new accounts. I have plenty of experience in high MMR myself with over 7k hours in the game and I also see and hear about the experience in lower MMR lobbies from some of my friends. Neither seems to be anywhere near to being "infested" with cheaters

They do exist as in any other game, but people who claim to meet them every other match need to start looking into other solutions to their supposed problems

I personally recommend starting with reading this post from one of our ex senior community managers #hunt-general message

[rocky patio]

I cannot seem to go three matches without my game lagging out or crashing

Often times I simply disconnect and have to restart my Xbox and even if it allows me back into my game the rubber banding is so bad that it simply is not worth finishing the match

I love this game and it’s one of the most enjoyable parts of my day but frankly I’m growing increasingly frustrated with the connection issues

[unborn gyro]

the servers are junk .. welcome to Hunt

Crytek can't afford servers but they can afford artists for skins. That's just how the world works.

[unborn dagger]

@visual lake I agree with everything but your third point. It needs confirmation instead of having to guess if it tagged otherwise it will still not be a consumable worth taking. My suggestion is to just not have it fully blind you. Give it a flash and then make the screen blurred.

[visual lake]

Well, maybe they can keep the damage, so there's the audio hint, but I feel like it's too much anyway.

[rotund obsidian]

@stray condor #game-ideas message what do you mean? the weapon is at a certain point relative to the crosshair. If you're aiming at a certain spot with a certain weapon, it the gun will cover the same spot. By raising your crosshair, you raise your gun, that's by design.

you're sayin you want a different viewmodel relative to the crosshair?

@halcyon burrow #game-ideas message i understand the concern but i think most people's intended solution would be to reduce the krag's ammo, not buff other long ammo rifles

[halcyon burrow]

I hope so, but at the same time i wish you get more ammo in general. Also ty

[latent geyser]

Krag should just go back to 124 dmg. It wasn't smart to buff the dmg, but players were crying about it.

[halcyon burrow]

124 will make it go back to the garbage can, it just needs to have lower ammo count so it's not superior than every other rifle, or give more ammo to other guns.

[rotund obsidian]

It was never in the garbage can, it was a perfectly viable long ammo rifle. for the longest time, it just struggled with ammo because it was a faster firing rifle with less rounds than a mosin, which is why i always saw it alongside a sparks pistol

if they had just buffed the ammo count and left it at 124, I think it would've been more than enough of a buff

[stray condor]

maybe used to a lowered and now I am trying out the centered and it feels weird even compared to other fps games

[latent geyser]

The only purpose of 126 dmg is to kill downed hunters. Otherwise 124 dmg will already put you in a very dangerous situation (a grunt can kill you), it's like thinking you're fine because the guy uses a winfield (which will still put yor health back to your last bar).

[halcyon burrow]

Being at 1 hp and 0 hp are completely different, also people play different when they know a body shot can kill you. Also, krag was hardly used after its release wirh 124 damage, now it's meta

[rotund obsidian]

saw it more than berthier or martini, and probably about the same as sparks tbh

[visual lake]

@celest spindle #game-ideas message New Army does a few things that Officer doesn't:

1. Has access to FMJ.
2. Has 97 damage, which means it can 2 tap people if you hit belly+belly or chest+arm. Nagant's 91 damage is not enough to do that.
3. Is able to reload faster if the cylinder is empty. Also, a Swift variant.
   Also, New Army has more manageable recoil, but that's just my opinion. However, it has a fairly strong downside: it has a long draw time, when swapping from other things. It seems like a bug and I hope, it's gonna be fixed someday.

Overall, I think this gun is well balanced and won't be buffed.

[celest spindle]

nagant can also double tap, what do you mean??

it makes no sense how a revolver shoots a bullet that travels JUST twice as fast an arrow would

[visual lake]

Not chest+arm or belly+belly

Just chest+chest or chest+belly

[rotund obsidian]

stomach shots do 70 with officer

narmy does exactly 75

[celest spindle]

yeah but the velocity only makes it viable to use in close quarters
i am a huge new army fan, but when it comes to overall performance the officer just performs significantly better because of its velocity

its not always about the damage, like officer (not the carbine) is a head clicker and amazing weapon for delivering long distance to medium distance follow up shots, while the new army lacks that ability due to lower velocity

[celest spindle]

and you need to take drop damage into consideration as well, from certain distances you cant even triple tap to chest

[visual lake]

You'll most likely won't shoot at such distances anyway. And if you do, FMJ help you with that.

[celest spindle]

with even lower velocity? how on earth are you gonna be able to deliver a follow up shot before they manage to get to cover?

most juking techniques performed always succeed because the shooter doesnt meet the required velocity to hit them

im not asking for narmy to get like 400ms

im fine with even a 50m increase

[visual lake]

There's no much difference between 230 and 200, but the damage retention is much better

But you'll most likely use it in cqc anyway

[rotund obsidian]

I think the velocity is fine as-is, but the equip time/holster time for the officer and the new army should be the same.

honestly I think there should be a pretty wide overhaul to equip/holster times cause they currently seem pretty arbitrary. I think they're mostly determined by when a gun was added, not by its actual characteristics

[keen flame]

why FMJ has lower speed

Brass is lighter than lead

[torn quiver]

same reason why bigger caliber has faster drop. For balance reasons. if FMJ was faster and had better penetration and increased damage range no one would be using anything other then FMJ

[keen flame]

FMJ should lower damage than lead bullets

[crystal plume]

If I recall it used to do less damage back when custom ammo was first added and people barely used it

Which is why they buffed it to have more reasons to use

[unborn sandal]

I don’t recall fmj having less damage but I remember poison and incend had less

I could be wrong though

I joined in early 2022 so that might have been before my time

[crystal plume]

I'm not 100% sure anymore either, but I do remember FMJ having some significant enough downside to not be used

[hot vigil]

FMJ never had any other downside than Muzzle Velocity.
People were just long ammo brain rotted enough to sleep on FMJ for the longest time as they deemed the loss of muzzle velocity too great.
That and ofc the fact we had NO information that FMJ made compact bullet pen better than long ammo, people just kinda assumed it it was "compact ammo, now pen like medium ammo" or similar strenght, not "your bullets are now hot knives in a world of butter" lol.

[rotund obsidian]

it used to not have the damage falloff range increase, methinks

[hallow tartan]

revert lobbyui to pre 196

[crystal plume]

They won't, but changes are coming that make it behave more like the old UI

[gilded knoll]

#game-ideas message @silver current The fact that there are more perks doesn’t mean they should add more perk slots. Just because they add new weapons, does that mean you should get to take in more weapons? As they add more tools, should we get more tool slots? I think you can agree that a healthy part of the game is picking your load out and having to make choices. We can’t all go in as super hunters who can do everything

[final lodge]

I think it would be cool if you could exchange perk point over the full set from money

[silver current]

Guns are tools are interchangeable and don’t make a difference. You can maximize guns and tools for your loadout while traits are having to be sacrificed to pick up newly added ones that are also preferred. It would be nice to enjoy more of the new traits while still having the must needed traits otherwise never get picked up. It could be % based by how many traits there are. You could pick more % of traits available in the past then you can now and there needs a little more balance.

[gilded knoll]

Guns are not interchangeable. If you want to carry in a full shotgun, you’re giving up your long range. Sure, you can take quartermaster to help compensate with a shorty, but you’re sacrificing sway, recoil, and a trait slot.
Tools are not interchangeable. In addition to your health pack and a melee weapon, if you want to take in flares and bear traps, you have to give up chokes and concertina traps.
You dont get to heal and have a blunt melee weapon and get to burn people and get to choke fires and get to set lethals. You have to pick the abilities you want.

For your traits, you have to pick the ones that matter most. If you want all the scare super power traits, you have to give up some of your base kit. Or if you want your base kit, you can’t take on the scarce traits. More perks is meant to increase load out diversity and viability. Not give everyone the ability to do everything

#game-ideas message @ancient matrix They tried that. It went exactly as one might expect. No one played it, and the ones that did just sat in bushes for an hour then extracted.

[silver current]

They are interchangeable and don't make much of a difference if you want to maximize your loadout for a certain playstyle. There is no point in carrying more than two guns. Traps can be swapped with traps, fuses can be swapped with flare pistols, and melee can be swapped with other melees. 5 slots will not give everyone the ability to do everything. It is progress to be able to play some more of the new traits but not every trait.

[gilded knoll]

If you’re going to make that argument, then greyhound can be traded for determination. Doctor can be traded for physician. Ghoul can be traded for witness.

The issue with that argument is that there is a difference. If you want to set people to bleed, you can’t do that on a sparks. If you want to snipe people using a scope, you can’t do it with a drilling. If you want to use incendiary, you can’t pen. Want to one-shot at close range? Vetterli’s not gonna do it. More guns means more bullets, more bullet types, different velocities, and more abilities for your combat in game.

Traps can be swapped with other traps, but those other traps have different uses. Want to trap standard doors? Gonna have to choose bear traps over alerts. Want to trap barrels? Poison traps aren’t gonna cut it.

Every item you choose in your loadout comes at the cost of others, and perks are no exception. More options to choose from doesn’t mean you should get to choose more of them

[silver current]

To be fair Doctor + Physician are a married couple and so are greyhound and determination. They go hand in hand with each other and boost the hunter even more. The weapons and all tools are used for your 'playstyle' and can be interchanged. Sacrificing must have traits to pick newer traits is lame and should be open to more availability.

I understand the hunter will be more powerful with more traits but in the end the more traits that come out will mean more sacrificing of traits to play those.

[gilded knoll]

The first half of your comment is exactly my point. Doctor and physician are related, but have different functions. You can absolutely get by with just one over the other, but both combined makes a strong combination.

That’s exactly the point of having limited trait slots instead of just letting you buy whatever you have points for. If a new trait comes out that you think is more important than an existing one, you have to sacrifice the existing one to use it. If you think the ones you’re already using are too important to give up, then don’t use the new ones. The moment there were more perks than perk slots, you began the game of sacrificing traits to play others. Adding more slots doesn’t remove that game. It just makes everyone more powerful and makes it even harder for a lvl1 hunter to compete with a lvl50

[silver current]

Though you would want both for it to be most effective. If you are okay with not playing newer traits and having to stick with old better traits then that's you, not me.

[gilded knoll]

You’ve deviated from arguing about valid reasons regarding whether or not to include more perk slots. You’re now targeting my specific play-style instead of how the game works and why.

You have limited trait slots for a reason. Increasing them does nothing but make super hunters even more super. You don’t get to have everything. You have to prioritize.

[silver current]

I didn't deviate from anything. Not playing the newer traits and having to stick to boring old meta traits is boring to me. The more traits added to the game means you wont be able to have every trait. Thus, adding new slots will sure make hunters more powerful but not be able to access every niche, just more fun.

[gilded knoll]

If you don’t want to stick to whatever you feel is the meta, then don’t. Play that traits that interest you. Just know that you have to give up others to do it. You can’t just do what you’ve been doing and now get to do more just because.

Honestly, I dont even know how you’re at 15+ perks that you feel are absolutely vital. There are 2 perks I consider essential. Another 4 that I get as soon as able. And 2 that I get because of how my team is set up. From there, the rest depend on what weapons I’m using and how I’m feeling that day. Sure everything helps, but very few are necessary

[crystal plume]

I don't know what meta you are playing if you do not have enough trait slots to also use event specific traits or such

I am able to get pretty much everything I need and even then generally able to leave a slot free for any burn traits I might find in a match

Even moreso if my loadout isn't trait specific which gives even more room for other traits

[final lodge]

#feedback message

I second this

[white plover]

Tbf, there’s a lot of medium slot options so you can already run a lot of the loadouts with a medium slot variant

But it is an upgrade to those loadouts/things like double explosive crossbow which wasn’t possible before will appear

[gilded knoll]

#feedback message @dusky goblet there’s a reason console and PC players are separated in matchmaking. Keyboard and mouse can move anywhere and use any function instantly while joysticks and the handful of buttons on a controller are limited.
Now, if they allowed keyboard+mouse on console and allowed cross play between console and PC and instead separated the players by input type, that’s something I could get behind.

[onyx edge]

Thoughts on my suggestion regarding silenced weapon changes, and the habits surrounding balance changes overall? (Msg as a reply so i get a notification lol)

#game-ideas message

[gilded knoll]

I’m not upset about the change to silenced weapons. While time will tell if 10% is the right number or if it needs to be tuned up or down, I think it’s a worthwhile change to try out, since picking the silenced variant over the standard is often a no-brainer right now.

I do agree that some obscure guns are going to suffer some from this (looking at the bornheim, who already can’t reliably 3-shot), but they’re hardly used as is, so I dont expect it to impact the current state of the game as far as those ones are concerned.

I’d rather they rework guns like the bornheim to become more viable because this nerf to the silenced Maynard and Krag, and even the Sparks and Vetterli seems good.

Also, I think the recent changes they’ve announced are strong evidence that they are listening to the community, as they said they would. Every single change they’re making is addressing a primary paint point expressed by the community. To imply that they’re not listening is unfair

[onyx edge]

Strong point, but i think the numbers should definitely have tweaks on a per-weapon basis. While I do agree that its pretty much a direct upgrade for some weapons (looking at you krag) since the felt mv drop is nearly negligible, the mv changes to the compact and medium variants, as well as the damage falloff ranges feel like they're enough as-is since they already have lower mv than the longammo/maynard weapons at the base level. I do feel like they're listening more overall but they're also rebalancing things that people weren't asking to be rebalanced along that same vein. That's where my point came about not listening. They need to pay attention to what isn't being said too. In regards to crossfire, look to the nagant pistols. They have been getting nerfed over and over again by changes, without any complaints about them to really justify it--- bullet drop, duallie changes, and now suppressor changes to boot.

[final lodge]

I wanna see this done to the og rat

the rat looks kinda stupid but it’s pretty close to being A tier

[gilded knoll]

I think there’s 2 sides to this. On one hand, the most ideally balanced game possible would have every single weapon have every single stat individually tweaked to make it unique and viable. It perfectly balances the game, but it’s a nightmare for devs to handle and it’s difficult for players to learn how every variant of every gun functions relative to the rest.

On the other hand, they can make sweeping changes that affect entire variants. Similar to all melee variants being $10 more than their base countpart now. Different guns have their use cases impacted differently and it disrupt true balance, but it’s easy for devs to manage, easy for players to learn, and means all guns of a type are affected consistently by the same change.
For example, I don’t know if all deadeyes have the same zoom, but it would make sense if they did. Sure, the zoom could be tweaked to individual perfection for every different gun with a deadeye, but it makes deadeye variants inconsistent

Neither is necessarily right, and the priority is going to be different depending on who you ask.

Regarding what is or isn’t being said, that’s an impossible task given that the community is a large group of diverse opinions. Look at ping-based matchmaking. The community was begging for it constantly. No one raised any opposition. So the devs started experimenting with it, and suddenly a different side of the community all came out constantly requesting that they stop it.

For bear traps, no one asked for them as a tool or to deal 82 damage. But they made the change, and suddenly bear traps were a hit. Everyone loved them. Then a previously unspoken set of the community came out in opposition. Now the devs are reverting the damage, and there’s opposition to that too.

Just because a change isn’t directly asked for, doesn’t mean the devs don’t have the freedom to try it out anyway. The community should guide the game, but it’s impossible for the community to control it.

[night hedge]

I still think that the nerf for the silenced guns with the MUST HAVE subsonic ammunition was a very heavy nerf already. Now they get the full nerf to the ground treatment.

Imagine playing a silenced gun just to be still heard 100m away. Anyone tested this how far the sound goes?

Now you’re forced to take subsonic ammunition if you want to play a silenced gun and can’t take a special ammunition with you because of that. Now you either can be still heard 100m away without subsonic or you can’t pick another type of ammunition and additionally to that the damage gets nerfed.

To be fair, I didn’t look into it yet. Is the silenced gun nerfed 10% or the subsonic ammunition?

And here we have the bow still being OP af at close AND mid range, silent, utility if you choose another arrow type, bleeding, pve very good, one shot kills and it’s not being touched?

[latent geyser]

The bow requires more skill to use, because it's much more subject to gravity and limb shots are much less deadly. As for silencers, they take a 10% dmg nerf, regardless of the ammo.

Also the bow isn't completely silent, you can hear when people start charging.

[rotund obsidian]

eh, the audible range is pretty damn short. and it still oneshots out to like, 30 something meters

[queen jungle]

@visual lake crackshot only affecting pistols would be pretty sweet and very balanced. It could possibly breathe new life into revolvers that have been left in the dust.

[visual lake]

Crack shot is imbalanced by itself. Personally, I hope it never returns, but if it does, I would be alright with it being only for pistols.

It kinda makes sense, as well

Blademancer, tho 💀

That thing just shouldn't exist

[stray condor]

I had a similar idea of that but i think that instead of burn out it should be a new trait type(my idea was Devour Trait) basically your idea just new type of traits. I think that maybe in the future if they add more types of traits that you could only bring a "X" amount per that trait type to a hunter. With that i think meta will shift

[rotund obsidian]

I think there's room for more traits that temporarily "burn" but also have recharge mechanics. quite frankly, I think rampage/remedy/relentless shouldn't be in the game at all, and the scarce mechanic is bad to begin with.

Necro could absolutely somehow recover, but I'd be hesitant to make that too easy. It'd have to just be an extract and MAYBE a banish.

[final lodge]

#game-ideas message

A engineer/conductor skin would be sick

[dusky pollen]

Why does the the chat button even exist in the lobby if i cant view the salty messages after the game?

always teasing me with notifications that cant be viewed anyway

[white plover]

You have to be in a party to view the chat box, which hopefully they'll add the ability to see it even if you're solo in a lobby

But also right now there is a big in which the number for unread notifications just goes up by 2 each match you do even if no one actually typed

[steel comet]

Silent nagant has also recieved a price nerf. More nerfs than the meta mosin ever had. 😔

[trim marten]

Blademancer would make throwing stuff more viable for many. Being able to retrieve throwing stuff is huge. After the nerf it wasn't very strong in pvp either.

imo blademancer would be good if it only worked on throwables.

[rotund obsidian]

infinite spears is kinda crazy, it definitely needs a significant range reduction if not a total rework

[spark mauve]

@soft frigate 1000% Enough of having to drop an entire loadout just to pick up one gun. This should have been implemented a long time ago lmao.

[ember lynx]

Could you please increase the number of spare bullets??

The small bullets are really lacking in damage and ammo count.

[white plover]

Any gun you typically have this issue with?

Compact typically has the greatest ammo count for weapons

[rotund obsidian]

take an ammo box and completely bypass ammo economy tbh

[spark mauve]

Or Crytek can use common sense and add lootable ammo from dead hunters using the same ammo type.

[rotund obsidian]

bro you can already do that

just swap your guns then swap back

[spark mauve]

That's a stupid way of implementing that. Just make it lootable. It's faster, realistic, and makes more sense then picking up a gun and dropping it again lmao.

You loot them for cash and consumables so why wouldn't you take a small amount of ammo from them?

[random orchid]

watching two guys try to out camp each other on trhe side of the extraction boat

[visual lake]

Throwables are already more viable than ever. Blademancer just make retrieving lost stuff WAY too easy. It doesn't even matter if the range is 100m or 20m. It's just too much of an ability. And it also makes Blade Seer completely useless.

[spice barn]

@delicate abyss @zealous citrus @cunning stone this is more discord feedback than game feedback, but it seems like the announcement channels are not really announcing very often anymore. last post i got in my followed channel was the women's day one. are y'all remembering to hit publish after posting?

[harsh kite]

I would like to add, if this game had ways for me to play cross platform effectively. I would play it all the time. I loved this game very much but the moment I couldn’t play with someone I love that has a different console. I put it down to find something new

[zealous citrus]

I don't think I get it

ahh, I got it

[trim marten]

Bladeseer has so little effect that i don't want to take it. Blademancer is similar trait with more usage. I feel like in a full hunter. Blade seer is just an empty slot doing barely nothing. You can blame it in on power creep, but considering what other traits have to offer. I feel like using throwables when they can go out of bounds and become unretriavable. And having only effect of "you can find your throwables" is too low to warrant picking it.

With blademancer it atleast has added comfort and pve potential. Bladeseer can be merged with blade mancer as much as i am concerned .

[spice barn]

blade seer could be wrapped into vigilant or witness or something too

[visual lake]

I used to take this when I was using throwables for the first time and was constantly losing my axes. Now, yeah, it's not very useful, but still nice qol trait.

Blademancer goes way beyond qol, it's basically cheating.

[spice barn]

if they just made it so it didn't do pull-out damage to players I can't see anyone caring

[visual lake]

Well, I do

[wicked hatch]

WHY THE HELL CAN YOU NERF NITRO TO DROPRANGE 45M? i play nitro once in 6 month, but come on, its worse than a pistol

[white plover]

No pistol one shots to body when they’re full health

[strong wren]

#game-ideas message

If anybody has thoughts or feelings on this I would appreciate a discusion on it.

I believe I have placed a well reasoned argument against the current insta-burn meta.

Additional points not able to fit in oringinal post:

• They are addressing the revive bolt fiasco already and Necro has been nerfed into near uselessness so sneaky revives are less prominent.
• The burn time is so fast that even if you do not break from the engagement a teammate is burned out and gone before you can win a fight. Choke bombs have been nerfed so hard that they are basically pointless.
• I do believe that lighting living hunters on fire should still be a thing and reduce a hunters bars that way, because that is interactive and the hunter hit can respond/react, but when you are dead, you can do nothing but spectate.
• I only suggest rolling back the burn state to what we had two years ago, not that that is the only way forwards.

I will be offline for several hours, so please @ me or reply to draw my attention to your response.

Please no troll responses, I want an honest to goodness discussion around this

[rotund obsidian]

I don't agree that choke bombs are 'basically pointless,' they're still a major annoyance when used properly outside of extinguishing bodies.
I think burning is necessary to punish players that are too passive, but I do take issue with how quickly players lose bars when their body is lit on fire, and how little time the teammates have to act. I wish burning was somehow back-loaded so that it took significantly longer to burn off the first bar without dramatically increasing the total burnout time. Maybe like, burn speed starts off really slow and ramps up over time, or there's like a buffer period before they actually start losing health? Also yeah flare gun is busted and should be nerfed somehow

although yeah you mentioned choke beetles and they really got neutered by the changes. I was running a choke beetle almost every match before the burn speed increase and it's been permanently dropped from my loadouts. bring back 2 minute choke cloud from beetle specifically so i can at least use it offensively

[lyric ledge]

Fog is in 90% of my map, enough already...

[soft frigate]

It was just a suggestion would be better plus able to hold multiple instead of just one

[brazen geyser]

can we really call them scout beetles if your deaf while flying?

[visual lake]

Drop range on nitro doesn't do anything

What's far more important, they nerfed its scoping speed, so you can't quickscope anymore.

[brazen geyser]

whats more important is nerfing EVERY silenced weapon simultaneously 🤪

[visual lake]

Yeah, but I'm talking about nitro here

[rotund obsidian]

drop range on nitro is irrelevant when it has random bloom that impacts it significantly more

[brazen geyser]

oh, very well carry on lol

[rustic timber]

I keep firing as fast as I can with this centannial in ads with iron eye.. Am I weird for thinking it is slow? I mean.. Yeah.. am I wrong? Is this fast? The krag feels faster..

[latent geyser]

Well, Krag IS faster. But Centennial is faster when aiming with Iron sight.

[white plover]

@gentle hedge your post in #game-ideas has been removed due to not being a game idea, feel free to perhaps repost in #feedback

[spark mauve]

Same, its ridiculous. Its a 50/50 chance every time you go in with a scoped weapon that its rendered useless.

[spark mauve]

lmao what

[civic ledge]

#game-ideas message @cosmic portal Im pretty sure The Hex Breaker is Van Helsing inspired hunter. Dont know if you've seen that.

[cosmic portal]

More Jonah Hex from DC comics

[idle folio]

Hex Breaker is Solomon Kane inspired, but Kane is basically in the same archetype as Jonah Hex and Van Helsing, especially later adaptations of Helsing like the Hugh Jackman film.

[glacial rose]

here is an idea guys... make the ping limit so that I don't have to play against people from the other side of the planet, I swear it does something to my damage output... shot someone with a maynard 2x with bleed and he just ran around bleeding all over the place and never died. which is absolutely insane.

I'm pretty sure they could roll out the ping limit before the event... sooo many years of this crap

[proven root]

Every Hunter i loot has Quartermaster, please make Quartermaster more cheaper so i can play Long Amo and Short Auto5 with Slugsies every Game - im Highskilled !

We also need more SilencerGuns in the game - Please add to every gun avaliable a silencer version!

And please dont mind to add more faster Guns like AR15, M1 Rifle or Steyr Aug to the Game. I think it still to slow! thanks CT you best ❤️

[signal mural]

@cosmic portal Van Helsing style stuff is already in the game. 'Hex Breaker' is a Hunter & there are countless Crossbow skins and whatever to fit that aesthetic appeal.

Oh sorry I see you already had this discussion a few spots up.

[hot vigil]

@rustic timber I am testing this extensively, and I don’t see what Crytek sees. The Centennial is a three-tap weapon without FMJ or Dumdum
"The Centennial is a three-tap weapon without FMJ or Dumdum"
What?

[proven root]

ahhh - just made 5 kill with quartermaster mosin and short auto 5 with slugsies 😄 - ah love your game CT - so ez with qm and auto5, hope we get more semi auto guns !!!! love it !

[mystic ridge]

Well.... ay, true... after 86 meters :p

[hot vigil]

Literal unplayable! 😭

[signal mural]

There's the 1865 Repeater - that uses Medium ammo & hits like a truck, right?

[uneven cairn]

@signal mural dont cook ever again man

[signal mural]

Yeah better leave it to the rest of the community who loved old solo Necro Self-Revive & Revive bolts, eh?

[uneven cairn]

Whats your beef with solos my guy

Nobody loved old necro and revive bolts are the most hated addition to the game

[signal mural]

So you didn't get the sarcasm...

I suggest a lot of stuff - some get good feedback and others tank. That's pretty normal. Some of my suggestions or ideas I helped promote have been implemented - including changes to old Necro Self-Revive & Revive bolts getting nerfed.

My recent suggestions would actually strengthen Solo play marginally by letting the player take both bounties and deny enemy teams from getting the second half of the bounty, if the Solo chose to take Packmule. Sure it is 3pts more but you get more tools refreshed too - which is better IMO than a short 3 shot boon effect of Magpie, which you could still take separately to a stronger effect. In my opinion the change would add depth in the ability to decide to cut-n-run with Serpent or gain more Darksight & deny the opposition the benefit of the Bounty's Darksight in tracking you.

[proven root]

are FOG Maps still in the Game?

i didn't see FOG MAPS for, i think 2 Matches? pls increase the FOG MAPS, because FOG=Atmosphere -> More FOG MAPS = MORE Atmosphere, thank you CT you best ❤️

[signal mural]

Wrong channel for this but yes they are still in the game and their frequency is rather high. I think most of the Community is hoping for the return of the other atmospheric mutators like Rain, Ashbloom, & Inferno. However, an increased chance of Fog (and/or certain Times of Day) isn't probably a popular opinion because their lighting volumetrics are actually quite glitchy and positioning biased leading some players to hate them.

[uneven cairn]

Nah but that would fuck the game up fundamentally, personally as a solo gamer I would hate for that to be a thing since playing around the other loose bounty is very good

Also same, I'm also proud to say something I suggested got "added". A while back I suggested we could pay to fix scopes, it did pretty well and now contraband weapon scopes aren't cracked to shit anymore

Or so I hope

[signal mural]

You mean ratting another Solo's 2nd half?

[uneven cairn]

I mean playing around teams wanting dark sight

You can defend the other bounty and even trap it

It usually leads to a benefiting position since people look down to get it and you can get an easy shot at them while they open dark sight

[signal mural]

Yeah busted scopes was a nice attention to detail after being downed but a crummy gameplay disadvantage for anyone using scopes let alone contraband.

[uneven cairn]

It was cool but very annoying

[signal mural]

But then you just don't take the second half.

[uneven cairn]

I still think paying to fix them was a better solution

[uneven cairn]

You get a bonus at the end of the match to balance it out though

XP and money gets doubled

So you get the same a duo would separetly

[signal mural]

Hence why I said to either disable that or minimize the reward, so that it is more about the tactical decision rather a financial or xp gain.

[uneven cairn]

Gonna ask again

[uneven cairn]

.

Like, they're already on a uphill battle against teams of 2 to 3, why fuck them over like that if they are good enough to win and extract

Cuz if you're doing it like that then people who don't have a 4 cost perk literally get half of what they should

[signal mural]

It doesn't negatively impact the solo... The rewards stay the same as they currently are or marginally better.

Currently you can only carry out 1/2 of any given bounty. My suggestion is that you could carry out all of it but without gaining much more than usual, in order to prevent an opponent from taking the bounty and being able to scan where you are.

[uneven cairn]

That removes counterplay though

[signal mural]

So your concern is that 5 seconds isn't enough while using the 2nd half as bait?

[uneven cairn]

Plus making solos piñatas is kinda questionable

[uneven cairn]

The concern is that your idea would make a 4 cost perk basically required for solos, something that is already a thing with Necro

So to play as a solo you basically would need 8 points as a base

[signal mural]

It is a 3pt change but far from mandatory. Solo didn't have double DS before and 5 seconds is adequate especially with new ways to attain more seconds. If the maximum DS capacity wasn't dependent on a trait, rather just on being solo, that'd be best (IMO).

[signal mural]

Speaking of which this new Recruitment - only 10 trait points & no lotto selection of traits thing is harsh for Prestige players.

@uneven cairn Anyway thanks for the Feedback; nice to understand the contra viewpoint. Sometimes when I just see the same names down voting I just write 'em off as Old Salts Against Change. I know there are likewise a few users that I just almost instinctly know I won't agree with before I read their latest suggestions.

[signal mural]

I don't want to ping you; but to the remark about removing counterplay - well it doesn't entirely. Now with Witness & other abilities to get Enhanced Dark Sight enemies have a likelihood too to be entering a boss compound with EDS seconds before even claiming a bounty. The idea for letting Packmule users take two of the same bounty tokens - would mean less certainty all around. Is it a solo carrying both tokens or a duo/trio with one person carrying both?

I think the largest downside to my suggestion(s) is the potential anti-team player who doesn't communicate or care what his teammates are doing & takes both tokens of a Bounty and runs off regardless of his/her teammates status to just try and extract alone.

[silver panther]

#game-ideas message it’s called a mosin @cursive marsh

[rustic timber]

You can test it.. In shooting range go to the top of the fort, and shoot at the guy near the bridge SE. Three taps.. With fmj.. Two. 😉

[white plover]

FMJ does extend its two tap range as that is just what FMJ does

[rustic timber]

And ofcourse regular medium doesn't pen through arms like long ammo. So u can end up three tapping at even closer ranges, as it covers the chest if they aim directly at you.. or all overbody when ruinning directional. Point being.. Treating the cent in speed and firerate as a long ammo rifle is odd. It does not have that edge.

[white plover]

However the way it was phrased makes it sound like centennial never two taps without FMJ or dum dum

[rustic timber]

Really? Is that how u guys read it? Pardon me then. That was not what I ment.

[hot vigil]

Read it like that the cenney NEVER can 2-tap

[white plover]

No worries, I think the phrasing just isn’t the clearest and on initial read through it gets lost in translation

[rustic timber]

Damn.. English being my a second language comes back to bite me. Sorry guys..

[steel comet]

If it's not arrows and bolts your weapon will pen arms.

Its not unique to long ammo

[white plover]

No worries! I was just wanting to help you understand what part they were reacting to

[hot vigil]

No worries at all :)

[white plover]

Being able to speak multiple languages is impressive! No one will blame you if it’s not perfect

[hot vigil]

We can only learn by doing :)

[rustic timber]

Are u sure about that? Back in the day the machete was the most powerful melee weapon, because the animation covered the face.. making it impossible to headshot. Crytek said that in the notes, and chaged it.. Has that changed in the last.. ohh jeeez... in 6 years? Waaow time flies. 😮

@hot vigil @white plover Thank you guys. 😉

[steel comet]

Here's a 3 year old video
https://youtu.be/zDlTFoFNxsc?feature=shared

Limbs blocking hitboxes has been sadly misinformation that spread a lot for a long time.

[west grail]

Please reverse the changes made to the crossbow.

[rustic timber]

Damn.. I have sometimes shot "scare" shots so the guy would turn toward me so I could do double stomach taps. -_-

[spark mauve]

@warm crater Terrible idea with this game in it's current state for many reasons:

1. There isn't anything of value to do in the game besides go after the bounty. Making that even harder and more punishing is ridiculous.
2. The boss spawns in a corner compound more often times than not with a team right on it and usually with an extract near by. Single bounty matches would be even worse because of that. And with the screwed up spawns, that would mean 3 other teams playing a running simulator to catch the bounty team before leaving. Which happens way too often already.
3. There needs to be more to do in the game not less. Secondary objectives, collectibles found in the map, possibly mini quests (similiar to Tarkov), etc are things that need to be added in order to engage players more. And by forcing each team or solo to have a bounty in order to extract would absolutely ruin this already dying game.

[edgy trout]

I used to be a hunter like you, then I took a bolt to the knee and kept going

[west grail]

sadge

[warm crater]

1. Why would it be harder? It’s just more motivation to do what you're already supposed to do. How punishing it really is depends on the economy, right? All this "punishment" is just an illusion to make the game more adrenaline-filled, and nothing more.

2. I partially agree - this might be a problem. But for me and my friends, we always go for the boss. Sometimes we end up playing a "running simulator", running through the entire map, getting to the boss first, and then... nobody actually comes. Or someone comes, sits 100 meters away, and we just leave without anyone trying to stop us.

3. My personal opinion is that the game is dying because it can’t fully utilize its esports and PvP potential. I think Hunt will always be a bad "grindy game". What Hunt is good at is being a PvP shooter. And if this "PvP shooter" part dies, there are hundreds of other games for grinding, and they do it much, much better than Hunt. People will just go to those games. And the players who enjoy the "PvP shooter" aspect will also find something else to play.

Adding too many secondary objectives could dilute Hunt's identity as a tense, PvP-focused game. If players ignore the bounty in favor of side objectives, it could lead to even more passive gameplay. So, my personal opinion that at least testing something like that during event would be a good idea.

Also, about secondary activities for people who like them: why not do them after taking the bounty on a cleared map? So, seems like necessary bounty and secondary activities can actually live together, am I wrong?

[undone kindle]

can we PLEASE get some damn hunt dollars for kills!?!?

[rotund obsidian]

murder shall not be rewarded. go get the bounty, thats what yer being hired for

[undone kindle]

@rotund obsidian baloney

[rotund obsidian]

bring vulture if ur that down bad

steal the lint out of their pockets to sell

[undone kindle]

hahah ya its only frustrating after prestige

and if you like clash like I do you can go through some coin if you don't win much. which is hard when YOU CANT LOBBY UP WITH FRIENDS

[void bough]

The secret to making money in clash is free hunters with a Romero

[white plover]

@gentle hedge Your post in #game-ideas has been removed due to not being a game idea, however feel free to post it in #feedback if you have not already done so 👍

[hot vigil]

@broken moat just a quick clearing up, the bullet "flying over your head", stems from two reasons:

• Inherent differences of player to player positioning and their relation with the latency, which is something you can't really do much about.
• The player cam is placed in the chest, so bullets that might seem to fly "above" you are actually connecting to the head.

[quartz crag]

This game would benefit from removing explosive crossbows, explosive chukonus, frag arrows. Its just too much spam - or significantly reduce the ammo pool size. Especially in game modes like clash.

[lyric ledge]

Let's not start balancing the game on a mode that's not representative of the game. There are other games people can play if they like team deathmatches.

[dreamy knot]

Please make it an option to show gun name instead of skin name or make it show both

[gilded knoll]

#feedback message @jagged wagon That’s what everyone said before they scarcified the other bleed ammos, and yet, we hardly see them anymore. People are less willing to take them in because if they die, it’s hard to replace. And for anyone who does stockpile a million and bring them in, their stockpiles will diminish over time.

#game-ideas message @tardy jetty If you use it close enough to people, it causes tinnitus like other loud sounds

[quartz crag]

Even on regular hunt, explosive ammo is lame. Its the game on easy mode.

[west grail]

why do u keep adding silenced weapons? ....

[open fractal]

so is there a reason that every 2/3 weeks the weekly reset day moves wasn't it just mondays

[white plover]

It’s typically been Wednesdays iirc

[open fractal]

if memory serves me it was originally Tuesdays with steam reset, then an event got extended 2 days due to server issues and that changed it to Thursdays, then i believe it changed again with the start and or end of the circus, it was on Monday for at least 2 weeks and now its scheduled for a wed. reset all i am saying is if its called weekly challenges they should always restart or reset on the same day not change every few weeks. those of us that play often look forward to the challenges since they are not daily.

[white plover]

I may be remembering incorrectly it may just be during events that they consistently are Wednesdays and that’s because events typically start Wednesdays

[white plover]

@edgy trout you do get assists for tagging people before your teammates kill them. What do you mean by partially killing them?

[edgy trout]

I would say whoever contributed the most damage to the target gets the kill and anyone else who contributed gets assists points, or just make assists count as kills like in some other games. Just a thought

[rotund obsidian]

assists count as kills for the kda number on your profile, if that's what bothers you? or do you just mean in the last match screen

[edgy trout]

Sorry I wasn't aware of assists counting towards anything as the score screen didn't tell you. Is it just more XP added on?

[rotund obsidian]

Kill xp is awarded to everyone on the team i believe, regardless of assists. I'm not sure exactly what you want out of assists.

I think it's fine as-is, where only the final blow counts as a kill, and assists are (mostly) meaningless outside of the stat.

kills being "stolen" really only affects weapon xp gain, as far as im aware. I think it'd be kinda ridiculous if kills were granted to whoever did the most damage, since 90% of kills would go to whoever lands the first hit instead of the second, which is the actual killing blow.

[edgy trout]

I guess I wasn't aware of this, sorry

[white plover]

No worries! The KDA that is displayed includes assists that you get from helping to kill enemies. The initial end game screen doesn’t show your assists but if you go to mission statistics I believe it does show your assist

[unborn gyro]

agree that crytek needs to get off this silenced weapon kick.. it literally makes the game worse

need the maps to be loud to feel alive and encourage pvp

[crude urchin]

I just played a game and it said I had 3 kills but I only encountered and shot one other player. How can this be?

[unborn gyro]

the game is in suck a #$## up state .. just finished a match as 4 star in randoms .. up against mostly 6 star ..

there just aren't enough players to fill the matches and so people just get shit on

sorta just tired of it all ... it's not fun anymore and no event will save it

Teams were .. 5x4x6 , x6 (solo), 5x5, 6x6x3, 5x5x6 ..

guess who won?

the solo 6 star

the entire makup of the match was stupid

The lone 4 star in the match .. this guy .. and let me tell you it sucked ass.

In a team of randos.

Sorry dudes the game ain't fun anymore.

all you 6 stars can piss right off ... I don't care to ever be in a match with you and Crytek can kiss my ass for putting me in that match

[solemn karma]

Perhaps unpopular opinion but

Silenced versions of weapons are great...
...while silencer is attached to weapons that don't have high firerate with medium+ damage or high damage with dumdums.
Sparks silencer is fair because it has very low firerate despite high damage.
Borheim silencer is fair because it has very low damage, drop range and ammo capacity, despite having high firerate.
Manyard silencer (before 2.3 patch) is quite unfair due to having scope, high damage, dumdum that allows to secure kill from first shot in most scenarios.
Krag is unfair due to high damage and high firerate, leaving the reaction window way to short for enemy to do anything, honestly.

[void bough]

I like silenced weapons such as the Winny and Vetterli. But I do agree the Krag is way out of the acceptable power levels of a silenced gun. Wish they had target nerfed instead of blanket nerfed, giving me Destiny 2 vibes on the balancing, nerf everything instead of fixing the actual outlier. Hopefully they change course going forward.

[cerulean salmon]

West is not loaded with hackers. US East is way worse. Ever since I switched to West I have had no problems with hackers

[wanton valve]

game wasn't even out yet in 1986

[umbral chasm]

add Slamfire to the shotguns.

[latent geyser]

No please.

[umbral chasm]

also u should be able to shoot two shells at a time.

theere is the trigger for that action.

[rotund obsidian]

If we add slamfire, it means all the pump action shotguns need to get nerfed to shit without it so that they're at roughly the same power level as before once they have the trait.

but also more spammy shotguns is bad so maybe we dont do that, eh?

[robust lantern]

Slamfire Marathon would also have to be a thing then

[fluid osprey]

yeah the specter doesn't need to be any faster

if they really wanted to add slamfire, base spectre should be reverted to what it was prior to the buff

slamfire would bring it to its current rof post buff

spectre was buffed like 1 patch ago to be fast

The inflation of ROF lately has been insane

[rotund obsidian]

and just general lethality. buckshot gigabuffed, bow damage increased, bomb lance/launcher harpoons, extremely high damage dumdum, steel bolt rework, etc.

[umbral chasm]

make real holsters not invisible ones.

[simple kiln]

Please please think about a server that blends east and west…. I really want to play with west coast buddies and not be lagging all over.

[icy saddle]

pretty lame that when I solo load as a 6 star I am playing 3 people just like me and not 5 stars.

[fluid osprey]

Despite them gutting silenced weapons
They seem to be introducing better and better silent 1 taps into the game which can compete with the romero's 1 hit ko range

Harpoons + steel bolt which both can now be reloaded as quickly as a romero due to hundred hands applying to crossbows AND bomb lance 😆

At some point, you just gotta realize that there's not much point in the romero when the bomblance does the job, if not better

Think of it this way

Romero and bomb lance now reload just as quickly
They got access to essentially the same ammo types, outside of bomb lance having frag (better than any of romero ammo types)

Bomb lance melee does more and has less windup on the swing
Not to mention more range.

Both 3 slots
only one costs marginally more

Doesn't help that the romero got hit with an ammo cap nerf a few patches ago and of course is louder than said lance

[empty oasis]

What nerf?

[fluid osprey]

Romero has less max ammo than it had before 1896

[empty oasis]

No, its still 1/12 like it was

[fluid osprey]

man, I must be remembering it wrong then
I thought it was more

my bad

[steel fox]

Please, take AIM ASSIST OUT!

[latent geyser]

I've yet to understand what's the problem with bullet drop for pistols.

Is it an issue that a handgun meant for close quarter fights in last resort sucks at bigger distance ?

[hot vigil]

I would say it is a compounded issue.
Basically the mix of low drop ranges + the hyper buffs to 2-slots means that there is literally no reason to run pistols.

1-slots pistols gets outranged by 2-slot rifles and outgunned by 2-slot shotguns.

[latent geyser]

Well it didn't need bullet drop for that.

Handguns are more an ammo reserve for your main weapon, or a back up in dire situations. But they have always been worse than whatever QM could bring.

[hot vigil]

As I said, it is compounded issue, bullet drop meant that pistols lost their "at least I can tap their head" factor somewhat, yes that ain't what "ruined" the 1-slot class.
But the 2-slot buffs for sure put a nail in the coffin for pistols.
Old 2-slots rifles had enough sway to dissuade people for running QM, like they were good if you could master the sway, but now it is so much better than a pistol, so to put an example:
Conversion vs. Vandal:
Damage: 104 - 107
Drop Range: 75 - 120
Cycle Speed: 1.4 - 1.2
Spread: 30 - 25
Sway: 128 - 100
Vertical recoil: 4.5 - 8
Muzzle Velocity: 300 - 370
Price: 55 - 35
As you can see, Vandal just mostly do everything better than a Conversion AND for cheaper! And also, Vandal gets the benefit of rifle damage drop off vs. the conversion's pistol damage drop off.

So yeah, we can argue "well, pistols are meant for up and close!" it ain't gonna compete with a Vandal with that, but that is my next issue, the kill range of 2-slot shotguns are now consistent enough that you are losing a lot of match ups with pistols in CQC.

[rotund obsidian]

remove quartermaster and the problem is solved, in taking a 2-slot over a oneslot, you downgrade your 3-slot into a 2-slot as well, making up that difference

[hot vigil]

I would rather revert the 2-slot changes (maybe give 2-slot shotguns a little love, but not this strong) and then make it a trait, so that if you wield two 2-slots, you get the current 2-slot stats.

[latent geyser]

It's all good and interesting, but that's another issue, QM being too strong there, which I agree with. But it's out of topic when talking about pistols being too affected by bullet drop. You would use them in buildings where it doesn't matter much, not through compounds anyway.

QM being more expensive (akin to Doctor) would already make it less interesting imo.

Levering took a usage hit when it got bumped to 7 points.

[rotund obsidian]

QM just needs a real downside. -10% run speed. or like, tripled weapon holster/equip times

[hot vigil]

Well, QM is strong because 2-slots are currently strong.
QM was fine up until the 2.0 patch.
People ran it, but it was more as an "treat" or to fit a bow (or even the Katana lol) into a build.
Basically old 2-slots had enough downsides that they weren't a universal "strictly better" pick.

[latent geyser]

idk, it kinda sounds like it was something great that people overlooked.

[rotund obsidian]

I want 2-slots to be good, but not as sidearms.

[latent geyser]

It's the same as old Krag, it was good but people didn't care for it because of the dmg.

[hot vigil]

Naw, old 2-slot shotguns weren't that great, you basically were mandate to run slugs (or flechette if you were cheap) on them.

[rotund obsidian]

I don't think 2-slots were ever really just better than oneslots, a lot of people chose pistols willingly. Outside of precision variants on a few pistols, I think a lot of people would've chosen a pistol over any of the 2-slot weapons

[latent geyser]

Tbh shotguns had a wrong spray display, it didn't help.

[hot vigil]

Like, you couldn't lever with an old Vandal

Or well you could, but it was a fools errand lol

The buffs to levering for 2-slots also mean you can now somewhat contest fanning with your 2-slot rifle if you want to.

[unborn dagger]

And they're already reintroducing old quartermaster, wtf

[rotund obsidian]

i need a headcount of the employees that approved of this and also a braincount

[unborn dagger]

Certainly tells us that they're gonna be bringing it in permanently making the 2 slots all the more pointless

[wanton imp]

wait what

quartermaster is gonna let us take 2 crown and kings again?

[rotund obsidian]

gunrunner will, a trait being brought back for the event

which means it's probably gonna be implemented somehow into base game, unfortunately

[latent geyser]

I don't think so, this one has been going back and forth. Also it would render a lot of weapons useless.

I'm not saying it's a nice trait to see back to begin with.

[white plover]

That doesn’t seem like the best of loadouts

[crystal plume]

@keen bolt Hardly unplayable when there's players who have played the game for over 7 years with thousands of hours who haven't even mentioned it being an issue, but I'd say it certainly doesn't help that you seem to be using zero anti aliasing which makes the entire image look noisy

[unborn dagger]

@crystal plume this is something I would like to happen for antidote as well. Like if you were to keep staying in a poison cloud it would keep draining the shot.

[crystal plume]

I could see that working as well yeah

Although it's not often that you stay in a poison cloud

[unborn dagger]

True, I just want a really strong downside for antidote as it has NOTHING besides the timer.

I would also say like the bigger the poison the more it drains. Like medium poison ammo compared to compact. The bigger the shot the more it will drain.

[open fractal]

so first the challenges were moved to reset from Monday to wed. now they are "ended" why this gave players a reason to come back every few days

[rotund obsidian]

they already made most of the oneslot weapons pretty much useless, might as well go for broke

[white plover]

A rework of poison/antidotes would be much welcome honestly

I've always liked the idea of it as a "shield" for a certain amount of poison damage instead of just completely negating the poison effect

[vapid acorn]

I'd honestly really like if antidotes just prevented poison damage without preventing the status

the status is far more interesting than the damage to me and going deaf would be a valid trade off to sprinting through a poison bomb cloud imo

[fluid osprey]

yeah the vandal or short cent outclass virtually every pistol in the game

Very little incentive to run any pistol that isn't dolch unless you don't have qmaster

[rotund obsidian]

if the 2-slot rifles can have the drop range they do, then pistols need a bit of an increase fr

[hot vigil]

Even at that point it is still "pistol damage drop off" vs "rifle damage drop off" + rifles tends to deal more damage.

Pax true shot gets the same damage at the same range as a Vandal, but ONLY bc its start with 7 more damage out of the gate.
And yeah, vandal is 35 HD vs Trueshot costing 141 HD

That said, never thought Hunt would get to a point where we could talk about "how much better a Vandal are" lmao

@crystal plume love your regen suggestion, tho think it could be even lower, small regen heals 225 and big heals for 450.
That is equal to 1½ big vitality shots for small and 3 big vitality shots for big ones, which is still insane value.
I would even say we could extend the duration of regenshot then, making them last 10 and 20 min each.

[fluid osprey]

Pistols got slapped with a fat nerf
alongside pistol carbines like the lemat and officer carb bullet dropwise

0 reason to run those now

[rotund obsidian]

i remember seeing lebel drop start at 70m and lematc at 35 and being like 😐

[fluid osprey]

Officer carbine is such a slop gun now

no reason to use it when the cyclone exists

[fluid osprey]

I rememeber the devs saying that compact ammo would have less drop so it would still remain competitive when fighting long ammo

since you'd have an easier time to score those infinite range headshots

Yeah

on which guns exactly 😆
bullet drop is awful on half the compact ammo guns

high velo got nerfed to hell and back, so the meta sniping ammo is still

wait for it...
spitzer

All the devs accomplished was turning all single slop pistols outside of the dolch into glorified pre-nerf derringers + ammo mules

Any half decent secondary to complement a rifle or shotgun nowadays is some 2 slot sawn off rifle :/

[hot vigil]

To be fair and balanced, compact does have better bullet drop than medium and long, issue is just that 90% of fights happens at 80-100m distances where all rifles ain't affected by bullet drop.

[fluid osprey]

And at niche cases where it exceeds that distance
spitzer still dominates

Not sure whose idea was it to have compact ammo start suffering from bullet drop within compound distance

[hot vigil]

Dunno, Maynard HV gets 170m and Infantry HV gets 175m which is respectable distance

[fluid osprey]

Yeah, the only exception for compact not being garbage is "winfield family"

[hot vigil]

Mosin Spitzer "only" goes up to 150m

[fluid osprey]

All the other options like the 1 slot
or 3 slot pistol carbines

down the gutter

[hot vigil]

To be fair, the only compact rifles that got "long range" (read: marksman and sniper) scopes are Winfield and LeMat.

[fluid osprey]

And only said winfield has hv

lemat gets fmj and incend

which makes 0 sense

Lemat carbine should have been a deadeye scope instead of marksman

[hot vigil]

Eh, it is fine tbh

[fluid osprey]

Nah, you don't have the ammo type to capitalize on the marksman's zoom

if anything, you are doing yourself a disservice if you run fmj and the scoped var

[hot vigil]

As someone who "sniped" LeMat marksman back when it "only" had a headshot range of 86m with FMJ, I think it is fine enough.

[rotund obsidian]

i mean its like 460 base velo, its pretty decent on base but yeah it doesnt have hv

[fluid osprey]

^ its less comp compared to winmarksman with hv
one has faster rov and better muzzle velo

no good niche imo

[hot vigil]

The insane thing about LeMat Marksman is that it have insanely low recoil.

And it have a cycle speed of 1.2 vs Winnies 1.0 which ofc is slower, but ain't that much slower.

[fluid osprey]

Yeah, it just has less muzzle velo if you aren't trying to shoot as fast as you can to get guys out of position

if you are only peeking every few seconds, the cycle time doesn't matter as much imo

[hot vigil]

And infrantry sniper, either needs to have 400m/s or gets lower damage than the LeMat Carbine to get 525m/s.

All and all, bullet drop only really killed pistols overall, but for the rifle meta, I think it is quite good.

Long ammo is worse off

So compact actually get some spot, tho issue is that medium like Cenny gets 600m/s and 140m drop which is plenty.

[fluid osprey]

Worse off at extreme ranges sure
but for the majority of fights

at low elo, its mostly dudes in compound distance
at higher skill levels ie 4-5 its defo 80-100m
especially on the new map where there are longer sightlines

Most fights aren't going past that unless you are fighting some sweatlord or kda farmer in a bush imo

[hot vigil]

For sure, which was one the first things I said, issue with drop off is that 90% of fights gonna take place where it doesn't matter.

[fluid osprey]

yeah

the drop only hurts stuff that begins at compound distance (pistols)

And by extension, the pistol carbine 2/3 slotters
ie precision pistols and officer carb

[hot vigil]

Eyup, well we could argue that those picks already were committed to those shorter distances anyways bc of the old "max headshot range" stat.

[fluid osprey]

They either forgot or didn't care enough to balance the other 2 slot options that weren't sawn off rifles

Now, their only advantage is what
marginally less sway and a stock to smack immolators with

[hot vigil]

Think it is more the issue that now every gun have infinite headshot range, so it means that you wanna avoid being in a situation where people can comfortable shoot after your head, but you cannot with your own "long range" option.

[fluid osprey]

^

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah for sure, the buff to sway for 2-slot rifles were insane.

[fluid osprey]

yeah, before the big selling point for "precision" weapons was that it didn't have pre-buff compact springfield sway lool

[hot vigil]

It is one of those cases where stats can reach a threshold of diminishing return, sure "0 sway is better than some sway", but when you hit the 100 sway as the 2-slot rifles does, it doesn't really matter if you have 100 or 87 sway.

[fluid osprey]

Yeah, the decreased sway isn't noticeable enough to outweigh the benefits of the sawn off rifles

[hot vigil]

Especially not when fucking levering got buffed too

So now it is also viable to lever with a vandal

So it ain't even a case of "I just need to get close"

[fluid osprey]

It always was viable to lever with a vandal
it was if not better than fanning pre-buff

simply because it held 1 more bullet and reloaded faster than the majority of pistols that can fan

[hot vigil]

It was a little too much spread and slow for it to be really good imo.

[fluid osprey]

I tapfired like a chump

[hot vigil]

Damn

[rustic timber]

The subsonic ammo.. Does it have less recoil and spread then regular ammo? Or have they missed an oppertunity to make it a more useful ammo then just something for the silenced guns?

[quartz crag]

Title: Remove krag silencer
Description: Remove this gun. Nobody asked for it, and the majority of the community wants it removed. It's significantly better than most guns in the game. Remove it or make it worth 2500 hunt dollars. Its boring to see almost everyone use this gun. All the other silenced guns in this game are atleast somewhat balanced - this one is not. When you balance silenced weapons, youre doing a bad job for the other silencer guns and this 10% damage decrease is still useless. Atleast for the sparks silencer, you need to have the fast fingers trait and still it may/maynot be faster than 1.4s cycle time. This gun right off the bat is way more powerful than other silencer guns. Like i said, nobody asked for it so remove it or nerf it already so we can see people use other guns.

[latent geyser]

Dude you posted it 3 times already, feel like you could post it again or.. ?

[last blaze]

@prime atlas holy skill issue just bring a suppressed pistol and shoot them

@keen bolt turn contrast up on windows

[willow spindle]

Thought the same when I read that. What would Hunt be without the occasional demise to AI

[signal mural]

Blademancer returns and suddenly the maps are void of AI.

[keen bolt]

Turning out brightness snd contrast doesn't work for me tbh

[neon bloom]

There is a influx of new players that seem to have replaced more experienced players.

Lots of complaints of AI being too hard.

[umbral chasm]

have the possibility to holster one of the revolvers and use fanning.

also should be possible to dual wield two different revolvers.

[open fractal]

Just make them do the old trial of 15 hive headshots take no damage while running a trap maze with dualies oh and every 10 seconds 4 dogs spawn

[gilded knoll]

#feedback message @atomic wren The issue with this is that longer times between events are something that a lot of players have been asking for for a while. The game used to have fewer, shorter events which made it them special when they happened.
But then they ramped up events, making them ~2+ months long and we’d have a week or 2 of down time in between, which meant that base hunt was practically nonexistent. It also meant we were getting so much new content all the time that messed with balance and created bugs. They’re slowing down the events and focusing on gameplay improvements because of how much the community has been complaining about those issues.

A lot of event content usually does make it into the game eventually. Especially event traits. And we do get temporary challenges every week.

I’d be down for some minor “events” to have a small chance of occurring in matches, but personally, I wouldn’t want much more than that. Like having the circus show up once in a while would be nice, or having a chance of inferno weather, or things like that would be cool. But otherwise, I feel like people need to get used to playing Hunt for what Hunt is again, instead of being fixed on always wanting new content like Fortnite

[latent geyser]

#game-ideas message
... what ?

[latent geyser]

The issue there is is that events are overall the only thing adding meaningful content, even if it means showing variants in. I don't remember the last time we got a big update that was just balance and weapons.

[hot vigil]

Many times this.
Basically, events bloat have created the issue that while people returns to events, the fact there were little breaks between them meant that the inbetween events were more empty because that was the only time people could get a "break" from Hunt.
More so, it seems like that events might bring in players to play, but also hurt the overall player retention.
That is as you've pointed out due to a more imbalanced and buggy experience + that people will reach the conclusion "I don't wanna play the next event that gonna have 1-2 utterly broken/bugged shit I will have to deal with for the next 2 months".

[latent geyser]

At least MC illustrated that they can now try and fix things mid event. Let's hope they'll stick to this.

[gilded knoll]

That’s because we’ve gone a couple years now with constant back to back events lol

I play plenty of games than only have 1-2 actual content updates per year. Heck, even Minecraft only puts out 1 update per year, and look how successful it is. If Minecraft was adding new biomes and blocks every 2 months, it would be a nightmare!

[latent geyser]

Minecraft is on another league lol.

But sadly people don't feel like playing the game just for the sake of playing and having fun, they'd rather have a carrot to try and grab.

[hot vigil]

To be fair and balanced, minecraft also have like a morbillion mods, so it can survive with the bare minimum.

[willow spear]

wtf. Why are people in support of weapons pointing to the left of the reticle? Genuinely why??
They’re slowing doing it with weapons and it looks bad.
Like your gun is shooting to the left. It’s especially bad with suppressed weapons.

[latent geyser]

I honestly don't know what's your point. Are you having an issue for the weapon to be showcased being on the left, unlike a game like Quake where the weapon is centered..?

[willow spear]

If you look at some guns when you have it at the ready, the gun is more aimed towards the center of the screen/reticle.
If you look at something like the silenced bornheim, it is pointing to the left of the screen, as if to show off the side of the gun.
It feels really weird. Id show a picture if I could.

[latent geyser]

That's a bit much clearer, although I doubt it's actually the case (or if anything as severe as you make it sound), it just happens that silenced weapons are longer.

[atomic wren]

Honestly the game is empty and the pve content is weak it gets boring, with clowns was fun and with balloons, I wanted to burst them all the time. you need the same thing on a regular period between events to not get bored, those who whine about the broken balance still play and all people will not please. There are old players who still miss the hardcore mechanics. But if you look at the statistics, not many people want to play regular hunting, people come to the event for a couple months and leave because there is nothing else to keep them.

[hardy nymph]

Bornheim is the only weapon where I dislike it

[quartz crag]

Or what? Krag silenced enjoyer? K, Mrs. Sensitive

[willow spear]

No, it’s very deliberate. Becuase some older guns change with each update. If this thread allowed photos (not sure if it does) I’d get screen grabs.
Because it’s not just suppressed weapons.

[willow spear]

There’s a few others. I just worry over time it’ll be most weapons. It makes a gun difficult for me to use personally. I haven’t played hunt for a few weeks so we shall see after the new update.

[tardy quartz]

@brazen lynx It's not about "hit reg timing" - it's about the game world on your client displaying you a game world that is substantially different to what your opponent is seeing. Each client having their own unique interpretation is normal in a distributed network of a real-time situation - but the longer the distance, the more stark the differences ... until the illusion collapses that players are occupying the same world.

Your team mates won't notice it. But you will shoot a guy who's standing still, has been standing still, on your screen when he has moved already on their end - and if he moved into cover or ran around a corner by that point, - and he will feel cheated if you still kill him (without a wallbang)

• it's not your fault. Steam/crytek shouldn't have sold you a competitive fps game when you are located in a region where they do not provide the infrastructure to make it run well

[brazen lynx]

Change has been reverted 👍🏻 thanks for your concern

[tardy quartz]

aight 🤠

[paper belfry]

We've been asking for this for ages, don't put your hopes up @dusk oak

[dusk oak]

And I’ve been asking for a long ammo repeater since before 1.0 don’t lose faith

[merry stream]

Please do something about the matchmaking. Make it KD-based. I don't want to ever meet people with more than 1.5 kd

[paper belfry]

got disappointed that it was mako, i wanted the russian winchester

[surreal yarrow]

New trailer has a conversion/uppercut in the first 4 seconds that acts like a double actiuon when it shouldnt

[paper belfry]

Thats just bad video direction

on the previous event it was the same with the pax trueshot

[rotund obsidian]

oh you were not fuckin kidding that is BLATANT

just a regular conversion pistol and you can see the hammer cocking itself super obviously lmao

[rustic timber]

I kinda get 3 - 4 in kd. But limit 1.5.. really? Any player that manages to get between 1 - 2 kills per round before he gets killed.. That is to much?

[rustic timber]

Limit to 100 000 dollars max? Why? So we have to use avtomats, auto 5, mosin, nitro and dolch when we get close?

[final lodge]

I’d personally rather have a 1858 conversion

just looks a little more unique from the 1875

[vapid acorn]

seeing as this is like THE only game that cares about the distinction, that's really funny

[final lodge]

Happens all the time

several double action chain conversions before r

[void bough]

They've just got special ones :)

[neon bloom]

Yeah the trailer/teaser people do that all the time.

They had hunters fanning precision variants pre 1896 release and got my hopes up.

[latent geyser]

They have hunters headbutting others, and not shoot people at point blank, alongside trying to choke one with a rifle just in this trailer X)

[neon bloom]

I'm excited for the headbutt feature

[void bough]

To be fair that head butt was fuckin sick

[wanton imp]

Sounds like a good trait idea

headbutt someone to knock them down