feedback-discussion

[storm pendant]

Thank you for the info though, this is helpful

Third edit's the charm

Damn terminus falls off hard after its OHK range that's crazy

Didn't realize it was that steep

[empty oasis]

Nah, worst straight 3 slot sg is the Rival
worst 3 slot is the LeMat Carbine sg

[storm pendant]

It is kind of funny to me the guy being catty w/ me links a video that disproves him lol

Anyway, thank you for the charts, I'm saving these to my "research" folder for later

[median zephyr]

no i actually said it was tied for the worst 3 slot ohk range, which it is

its v similar to rival and terminus, which are the other 2 worst ones

[empty oasis]

Credit goes to Cornf. Dude's a legend

[storm pendant]

I've seen one of his vids but hadn't seen the shotgun video yet

Need to go and look through his catalogue

[storm pendant]

Hey do you know if they nerfed crown slugs? The other night I got 144 dmg upper chest shot at 15m and it cost me the game

I'm guessing I gut shot and the killfeed lied though

[thin remnant]

i have a theory

that damage history is registered server side

but hit detection is client side

and that causes the innaccurate info

[median zephyr]

purpousefully misconstrting my points in order to feel correct is def something, but if it helps you sleep at night have at it

[storm pendant]

Wouldn't it be the other way around

[thin remnant]

but im not sure just a theory

[thin remnant]

hit detection is client side

[storm pendant]

Oh, right mb I read that wrong

[empty oasis]

Nah, slugs are unchanged

[storm pendant]

@tacit falcon yea I don't see why not

[tacit falcon]

i agree, i feel you should be able to since you can in pretty much every other fps game. there should be at least some customizability to it

[storm pendant]

Not every FPS game has crosshair settings, especially older ones but I get what ya mean. I'm A-OK with having more options and can't imagine it hurts anyone

[lean estuary]

@storm pendant good idea about the Scottfield Prec., I was just thinking about how I Would want to use it more

[thin remnant]

yes i like it too

[storm pendant]

I was looking through my saved loadouts the other day, Scotty P and Romero Hatchet. Used to be my go-to but I haven't run that combo a single time since the cent shorty came out because the cent shorty is better in almost every way, and the damage falloff of scottfield is not worth a 2 slot

[thin remnant]

and i respect not upvoting your own suggestion

[storm pendant]

Does anyone know what distance the Cent shorty's damage starts to drop off?

Need to make a quick add to the suggestion

[lean estuary]

Whats the custom ammo look like for ScottyP now?

[storm pendant]

All the same that the cent has, minus poison

[lean estuary]

Dum dums?

[thin remnant]

20m.

like all medium ammo.

compact 20, medium 20, long pistol 20, long rifle 40.

[storm pendant]

I thought 20m was pistol, and the cent shorty is a rifle

Are you 100% sure?

[thin remnant]

it's a medium ammo rifle.

all medium ammo starts to drop off at 20m, but its not as severe as compact dropoff.

[storm pendant]

I didn't think medium rifles dropped off that quickly

[thin remnant]

the only regular ammo that drops damage further than 20m is long rifle

[storm pendant]

Damn that is actually kinda dumb

[thin remnant]

yeah, agreed.

[storm pendant]

My life has been a lie

[lean estuary]

Putting a weird aperture sight on the Scotty P might be neat

[storm pendant]

NO

That's literally how they nerfed the nitro.

[thin remnant]

just give it a taller and thinner sight tbh

[median zephyr]

and sparks silencer dont forget

[storm pendant]

I like i the way it is but the match has such sexy sights that if they gave the scotty P the same treatment with equally sexy sights I'd be happy

[thin remnant]

thats a long rifle.

[lean estuary]

I like the flip up&down

[median zephyr]

yes but tis 30 instead of 40

[thin remnant]

yea i did forget about that
but is still above 20

[storm pendant]

PLEASE NO

[median zephyr]

which is the only one like that, so i just wanted to mention the weird one

[storm pendant]

The aperture is the worst thing ever I hate it with every FIBER OF MY BEING

[thin remnant]

ye

[lean estuary]

Haha why not?

Ah sorry

[thin remnant]

why not just make an aperture variant for precision pistols XD

[storm pendant]

It's awful, a monument of man's sins in gun design

[thin remnant]

that'd actually be neat imo

[median zephyr]

youre right, but i was also mixing it with your "long rifle 40m" thing from above

[thin remnant]

scotty p, scotty p aperture

[median zephyr]

tagged the wrong one

[storm pendant]

Peep sights are god's answer to having too much fun with guns, the aperture included

[lean estuary]

I see you hate it, I like it! Both versions would be cool

[thin remnant]

id use a scotty p aperture

if it was a flippable ofc

[storm pendant]

STOP, IT BURNS

I'M MELTIIIING

[thin remnant]

wait till you hear this..

aperture variants are literally straight upgrades of base variants.

they have no downside

MUHAHAHAHA

[lean estuary]

Ofc!

[storm pendant]

WRONG, you have to have an aperture attached to your gun.

Also their irons are more obstructed by the mechanism but that's minor in comparison to HAVING AN APERTURE ON YOUR GUN

[storm pendant]

You FOOL, the aperture IS the downside!

[thin remnant]

https://tenor.com/bQO0C.gif

[lean estuary]

Wait are you mad at real peep sights, or just Hunt’s?

[storm pendant]

Yes

[lean estuary]

Oh hey, Scotty P talon

[storm pendant]

Real life peep sights are fucking impossible to see through I swear

I shoot way more accurately with a wide aperture, partially because YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THROUGH THEM

[storm pendant]

I like the idea, except your hunter tucks the stock underneath their shoulder when firing from the "hip"

That would be... unpleasant to the point of sucking

[lean estuary]

They do?….why

[storm pendant]

The same reason you tuck a shotgun under your shoulder if you're planning to fire without aiming down the sights, you have another point of contact to brace off of which stabilizes the gun

You should only ever do so in a controlled, safe environment where you know what you are doing, and have a sufficient backstop to catch any strays, though

[lean estuary]

Are saying put the stock in your armpit?? I’m not sure i would ever do that with a shotgun

[storm pendant]

Yes, literally yes.

It's fine, I've done it a lot

[lean estuary]

Well, alright

[storm pendant]

But like I said, know what you are doing and have a sufficient backstop

You won't drop the gun unless you're just an idiot and don't have a good hold but that would happen if you were aiming down sights too, but in that case you'd break your nose

If you tuck it under your shoulder the recoil is actually not as harsh as shooting shouldered, but that's mostly because the force doesn't straight hit you, it just gets pushed back into the gun, your body will move back more but you won't feel as much of the recoil

Again, not recommending you do this, and if you do it, use a laser in a safe controlled environment where missing will be caught by your backstop

[storm pendant]

Just want to make this extra clear, if I could have a bunch of big red arrows pointing to this I would

[lean estuary]

Anyway if I was using a stocked revolver I’d just keep it contacted to my shoulder, weird that the characters have that posture in game

[storm pendant]

1: Looks cool, 2, keeping it raised to your shoulder all the time is more difficult than using the third contact point to just hold up (squeezing it under your arm). If yo u're not gonna be shooting accurately it doesn't make much of a difference. If you have it raised to your shoulder while running around all the time, you're not going to be able to move about very effectively, and your arms would get tired fast. Having it tucked under your arm alleviates a good chunk of that stress on your forearms and provides a third point of contact for quick, inaccurate shots from the "hip" (no game's hip shooting is really hip shooting it's lowered shooting)

They raise it to their shoulder and brace it properly when ADSing

[thin remnant]

is blue good enough?

[storm pendant]

Works for me

[thin remnant]

and one red

as a treat

[storm pendant]

Oh thank you papa

[lean estuary]

This seems like it would feel so much more awkward

Ah well

[storm pendant]

When they sprint they just untuck it, it's really not

[lean estuary]

Shotguns maybe

Haha

[storm pendant]

Yeah idk

It could just be the weight distribution of the gun

Like it's not bad form necessarily, I can see the practicality in it, the difference betweens shoulder aiming and tucking it under your arm is basically non existent if you're going to shoot from the "hip".

Legal note, don't shoot from your actual hip, it's stupid and you will lose your gun and maybe break a finger in the process. Video game character's hip shooting is just either tucked or shouldered

Unless it's a handgun

Worth noting the scottfield is much smaller and likely not as balanced ergonomically, so it's probably a lot easier to go from tucked to shouldered when ADSing than it is with the big honkin shotguns which would be more awkward to manipulate

I think ultimately it comes down to "rule of cool" though

[lean estuary]

Could also be an awkward gun placement in game, to keep the posture consistent between weapons

Not sure it’s cool either haha

[storm pendant]

I think it looks pretty neat, and it's not implausible

These are 1890s gunslingers, the most common shooting form was very different from what it would be today

I mean back then they still shot most of their pistols one handed

[lean estuary]

Hmm

[storm pendant]

Like I said, it's not implausible and having shot tucked, I get the practicality for quick inaccurate fire. It's reasonable to say that the standards and practices of the 1800s is wildly different than today

I've never been in a real gunfight, I think that goes for almost everyone in this server, but if I were in a gunfight with a scotty P, someone got right in my face and it was close enough that it's a sure shot, hell yes I'd just bring it up under my shoulder and pull the hammer as fast as I possibly could

(I don't know what I'd really do I mean to say I could see myself doing that)

[storm pendant]

I think it's poor form to do so, kind of invalidates the scoring system

[frozen hazel]

anyone have any idea if martialist perk not being buyable is a well known bug or just me

[storm pendant]

Definitely not the right channel but this is news to me.

[thin remnant]

well known bug

[thin remnant]

@little zinc so you gonna link the video or?

[tacit falcon]

yeah i meant newer fps games, but i agree. i dont know who could possibly have a problem with this change. But then again some people think changing in game gamma is cheating so who knows :p

[storm pendant]

Someone had a problem with the idea of making the spyglass bound to a dedicated key and part of every hunter's kit, but do tell me, when is the last time anyone in the history of ever saw the spyglass and genuinely went "hmm yes I think i'll bring this with me instead of any of the other more useful tools"

Some people just cannot be pleased

[tacit falcon]

very true lol

[rotund obsidian]

#game-ideas message shi i mean i'd settle for more ammo. drilling hc gets 20 reserve so muling isnt really a concern anymore, that weapon does it better AND gets a shotgun

[storm pendant]

Tht's helpful but ammo definitely is not the issue, it's that it's thoroughly outclassed in every conceivable metric and slightly better fire rate isn’t worth losing 13-17 damage, faster reloads, and a ton of muzzle velo

Having consistently faster fire rate with decent ballistics would at least be a place to start (rather than the drilling 2 shot burst and high pricetag and the cent shorty's consistent, but slow fire rate and higher ballistics)

13-17 dmg doesn’t sound like a ton but when you factor in range falloff it makes a big difference

So my thought is have the drilling be the close range bruiser, the Scotty P the consistent middle ground, and the cent shorty be the mid-long range

[rotund obsidian]

sometimes it's just nice having lower sway, but yeah it is just outclassed. definitely won't help in the next patch when cent shorty probably gets quadruple the drop start range, too.

[storm pendant]

Yeah but the higher rank you go the less sway matters

Sway only really impacts 3* lobbies and lower

Most players will just flick onto target

[rotund obsidian]

theres a reason obrez isnt everywhere

[storm pendant]

Stability is nice but ultimately not a huge balancing factor, the actual performance of the gun is what matters

[storm pendant]

Wdym? I see it with pretty much every shotgun user in 4-6* if not the uppercut or trueshot

It is everywhere dawg

Like seriously in the last 30 games I'd say maybe 10 of them didn't have a single obrez in it

[rotund obsidian]

I'd say i saw them in like, 3 out of my last 30 in 5 star tbh

[storm pendant]

Obrez isn't used by the sweats as much because it does less damage than the regular mosin

[storm pendant]

That's crazy, I see it all the time

I'd say as much if not more than the drilling compact and cent shorty combined

I also run it all the time and idk why I hit better with the obrez than I do with the rifle, that's anecdotal though

[rotund obsidian]

I feel like it's a spitfire situation, that gun is so good on paper (like obrez) and yet i see it so rarely that i'd think it was D tier

[storm pendant]

Mosin sweats are just super set in their way tbh

Hard to get them to use anything other than mosin dolch/trueshot/uppercut

They're like fuckin gollum from lotr

https://tenor.com/view/yes-lawd-my-precious-gif-13073178

Fr though I love the obrez, it kicks ass

You can't always judge a gun's viability by what the max rank lobbies use, since they only use like 2-3 loadouts unless they just feel like meming

Gotta get the broad scope picture ya dig?

9/10 times when I run compact in 6* everyone else is using krags, mosins, lebels, maybe a crossbow or centenniel here or there, sometimes a slug shotgun

Doesn't mean compact is bad (although long ammo is overtuned as of right now), it just means it's not the ever-fickle "meta"

[rotund obsidian]

insane to me that crytek seems to want closer ranged fights then also still lets the mosin two tap at 150m

[storm pendant]

Alright, this may be the hottest take i've ever laid out and I know it[ll be controversial but I think less things should 1 tap downed hunters

They overshadow all of the guns that can't and the sweats refuse to use any of the other options even if those other options are great

[rotund obsidian]

yeah the healthbar system could be so cool in theory but literally the only thing that matters for breakpoints is 125

[storm pendant]

I would be fine if long ammo weapons (and the vetterli) only 1 tapped at like, 20m or something, force the sweats to play less passively if they want that precious 1 shot they covet so much

The only thing is hunt is so thoroughly built around that system that they can't change it without majorly fucking up the balance

So we're kinda stuck with indirect nerfs such as heavier bullet drop that don't really address why they're so coveted

I've spent actual real life hours trying to work out a good way to nerf long ammo and I just can't man.

[tribal wyvern]

I like the specifying that it's Gollum FROM Lotr, so you don't misstake it for Gollum from Friends or Gollum from Full House or Gollum from Brokeback mountain.

[storm pendant]

Yeah this guy gets it

Gollum gets around

[tribal wyvern]

mans busy 😄

[flat sandal]

#game-ideas message and functional chat window that doesn't get interruped by everything else happening and which is accessible via short key. Also global.

also which survives the loading screen if possible

also which can be used while waiting for other players. Like, what? the whole thing feels like it was programmed by the intern in one afternoon, no offence 😄

[dusky trail]

dude what the hell u did with serveur ?

[storm pendant]

Wrong channel

[flat sandal]

@storm pendant you like the current system?

[storm pendant]

Yes. I also really do not like your idea. I don’t think there is a single thing I enjoy. Just convoluted and level gatey for no real reason

[flat sandal]

Okay. I stated the reason though^^

I also don't think it's convoluted. It's the simplest way to address the issue

If you don't see an issue. that's another thing

[storm pendant]

What issue, though? This is just different not fixing anything

It’s also just confusing

[flat sandal]

the issue is that the current system is very one dimensional. Low point traits are useless and are usually being replaced while we all pretty much pick the same things in the end. If you had many weak traits to pick, you could combine them to basically build strong effects instead

[storm pendant]

New 1-3 point traits? Like what? Why are traits divided into tiers? How are these tiers connected to progression?

[storm pendant]

But the low tier traits aren’t bad, they’re just simple. Kiteskin is meta for example

[flat sandal]

you level up and unlock slots

[storm pendant]

Fuckin autocorrect jfc

[flat sandal]

new traits, yes

[storm pendant]

So I have to level up my hunter 100 times to use all of the available slots?

That sounds awful

[flat sandal]

you have to do that now, gated by points

50 times

[storm pendant]

You don’t though. You’re maxed out by 43 at latest and aren’t hard capped. You can take a bunch of low cost traits or find upgrade points to get more expensive ones. This just sounds like it makes everything 10x worse and more complicated

I’m sorry I genuinely do not like anything about this idea. I think it introduces a lot of problems and complications, and fixes nothing

[flat sandal]

simple matter of balance. it's not really the point of the idea in general

[storm pendant]

The current system is fine, very good I’d argue

[flat sandal]

I can see that 😄

[storm pendant]

There’s no way TO balance the system you proposed

[flat sandal]

okay

[storm pendant]

It’s just a grindfest that limits player freedom

[flat sandal]

yeah, we can leave it at that. you answered my question

[storm pendant]

You also don’t specify what any of these new traits would be or how this would rectify some traits being stronger than others

[flat sandal]

also. it doesn't 😛

[storm pendant]

But that’s what you said to me was “the issue” right?

[storm pendant]

Here

[flat sandal]

just weak traits. I don't undestand how you can miss the point there

[storm pendant]

That’s what I just said

It doesn’t fix that, all it does is force you to use low “tier” traits and grind more

[flat sandal]

you don't grind at all. wdym?

[storm pendant]

I don’t think that idea is salvageable

Having to level up each individual hunter to arbitrary level caps just to be able to pick traits you ACTUALLY want instead of just getting the points and picking the ones you want for your current loadout is in fact grinding. It’s called level gating

The bloodline rank already level gates traits as it is

[flat sandal]

yes, I understand you like a bare bones progression system

[storm pendant]

Like, this is just a contradiction in itself

“Increase flexibility by having to choose weak traits”, that’s actively taking away player flexibility

[flat sandal]

Inshould have said "can"

[storm pendant]

I like well thought out progression systems, and for Hunt, simple works best.

I like RPGs

[flat sandal]

no it gives you the flexibility to make different builds

[storm pendant]

I like build crafting

But this is not the game for that. It makes no sense here and your own post is full of contradictions

[storm pendant]

But it doesn’t though

[flat sandal]

you are actually funny

[storm pendant]

It takes flexibility away and pigeonholes you into choosing a few weak traits you may not necessarily want

[flat sandal]

you made your point pretty early. I get it

[storm pendant]

No you obviously don’t

[flat sandal]

you like it simple in hunt

[storm pendant]

Because it’s well thought out and compliments the gameplay

[flat sandal]

yes and that is your opinion

dont think it is more then that pls

[storm pendant]

I’m not opposed to the idea of the trait system being shaken up, but this is not the way. Your post isn’t even consistent with itself

[flat sandal]

I'm getting mildly annoyed now

[storm pendant]

You asked ME what I thought man

I’m just letting you have it

Take the feedback and learn or don’t, that’s up to you

[flat sandal]

okay, thank you

[storm pendant]

And btw, being dismissive of the person you’re trying to get feedback from is not helpful or a great way to sell your idea to your audience

[storm pendant]

Have a good night.

[thin remnant]

@storm pendant I missed the part where you explain what white contraband actually does

[flat sandal]

I'm not trying to sell anything. Also I am not trying to be dismissive. you just made your point pretty early on and then seem to proceed to just bash it, thinking your thoughts are "the truth" or something. idk

[storm pendant]

Indeed you did

[thin remnant]

thx

isnt it just the same as normal items tho like whats it do

[storm pendant]

Look dude, I’m sorry if you thought I was just bashing your idea, I will admit I’m not fond if it, but I’m giving constructive feedback and trying to understand it better. When I understood it, I pointed out why it doesn’t work and where there were contradictions with your goal and the execution.

[storm pendant]

Still has cracked scopes and such

[thin remnant]

wait, contraband has cracked scopes??

[storm pendant]

But yes it’s just an additional marker to note it as “found in raid” as it were. I did suggest adding a sell price increase to make it more profitable and notably different

[storm pendant]

Yeah you didn’t know?

[thin remnant]

nope

[storm pendant]

Also contraband can only be stacked 1x

[flat sandal]

and then I could have told you how you don't seem to understand it and that I think you are wrong but I couldn't be bothered because of the way you were acting

[thin remnant]

ah yeah i remember that now
forgot about that

wait, so when you loot a gun from a downed hunter the scope becomes magically cracked?

[queen jungle]

No, it cracks if somebody dies, i. e. the gun drops to the ground

[storm pendant]

I wasn’t really acting any way, and I asked questions specifically TO understand it better. I do have a grasp on it now., and thus said my peace on it. I think it’s really unfair that you’re implying that I just must not understand it and that I was “acting “ in any way when I spent time specifically to understand it and give you thorough feedback while you were being actively condescending toward me for not just agreeing w/ you.

If you don’t want to take my feedback, fine, but please don’t get mad at me for giving you the feedback that you asked for. I’m sure you’ll get it from someone else.

[thin remnant]

so if you get downed the scope cracks when you get revived too

hm

thats interesting i never knew this

[storm pendant]

Not afaik

[queen jungle]

Cracked scopes are just a visual feature anyways, doesn't affect the aiming

[storm pendant]

What’s the honorable hunter tag for?

[queen jungle]

It's because my mum says I'm special

|| I used to be a moderator for Crytek ||

[storm pendant]

Ahh okay

[flat sandal]

Yeah no, I did take your feedback. I just usually kinda tune out when someone portrays their opinions as fact, is all. I also actually asked you if you liked the current system btw. but thanks for making really really clear how much you disliked my idea 😄

[storm pendant]

You’re acting like not liking your idea is a personal attack. I shared my opinion, that is all. You’re free to disagree but I’m not cool w/ you being condescending about it (“you just like barebones progression then”) and dismissing it as such just because it’s not what you wanted to hear /:

Have a good night, man.

[flat sandal]

brah!

[storm pendant]

@thin remnant Spaced out where I mention what white contraband does to make it harder to miss and more readable

[flat sandal]

I was simply genuinly interested in what ppl think about the current system. You have some feedback as well, I don't really get offended by stuff like hat, ppl have their opinions, that's fine. It is also fine to like a simple system. it was not an insult, just me saying. alright, I get it^^

[storm pendant]

W/e you say man. Can we just drop it please?

[flat sandal]

that's what I asked you like 20 minutes ago mate

[storm pendant]

I’ll take that as a yes

[flat sandal]

It's hard sometimes but noone is forced to type anything here

[little zinc]

117 MB too heavy but i can give a link..

[thin remnant]

sure go ahead

[storm pendant]

@lone comet I’m honored to receive your first ever upvote on my scotty p suggestion <3

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message
sorry bud, beat you to it

[storm pendant]

Aww. I’ll take second

Heru is a man of very high standards. Hard to please

[thin remnant]

we need some of that in the voting system tbf

[storm pendant]

Just makes it sweeter when you get his approval

[storm pendant]

True, gotta have your negative nancies so that if even THEY like it…

[thin remnant]

And if everyone was easy to please, it'd be too hard to tell what suggestions people actually really like and are very highly approved

[storm pendant]

I think I’ve made some pretty good suggestions that some people disapproved of tbf

[thin remnant]

pretty good
and of course, it's your suggestion, so you like it
some people just gotta be harder to please to make the voting system more accurate imo

either that or everyone is perfectly unbiased and neutral, but that is impossible.

[flat sandal]

the system doesn't really work as ppl vote for different reasons

[thin remnant]

i like to think it averages out.

[storm pendant]

This is true, but out of my suggestions have you seen any that are genuinely just not good? I have the time in game and the design chops to put together pretty competent posts I feel

[thin remnant]

i dont see any that I personally disagree with

but as humans, being all perfectly objective is unachievable

[flat sandal]

it's bimodal at the very least. one problem is that ppl vote based on if they want the suggestion prioritised or not othes vote purely based on the idea in general

and what does the thinking thing even mean? It's also effected by the reasons ppl make suggestions even. There should be some clear categories. That are defined in the sticky. Maybe 5 or so.

[thin remnant]

Yes I wouldn't mind more reactions.

The thinking means "Maybe" or "Neutral"
Or when you don't think there is enough information given in the suggestion to make a good judgement

[sand kiln]

Reactions don't really decide if a suggestion is good or bad, or if it would work or not for the game. All that is up to the devs

[thin remnant]

Yes and they never will

[sand kiln]

So don't mind if your suggestions get negative votes, if it is a good idea and works for the game it may be added

[thin remnant]

Well the votes do typically at least somewhat reflect the quality of the suggestion

If someone suggests a dolch carbine for example

[sand kiln]

Kinda, but doesn't mean it will be a 100% accepted idea

As a negative voted idea doesn't mean it will get discarted 100%

[storm pendant]

Hell good ideas in a vacuum don’t always pan out in practice

[thin remnant]

The whole bandwagon thing is a bit sucky

People not giving suggestions a proper chance because they're already down voted

Or vice versa

[storm pendant]

Yeah. If one or two people downvote a suggestion early on a lot of people will judge it more harshly

[flat sandal]

still if there are ways to vote it might as well be a good as possible.

[thin remnant]

Having "strong agree" and "strong disagree" options may be nice but honestly not necessary imo

But I'm not against it

[storm pendant]

Middle finger option needed NOW

[flat sandal]

it would help on what bases ppl should vote in the sticky. like, don't vote considering that the work being put into prevents other things from being developed

[thin remnant]

Title:
Description:

[thin remnant]

∆∆

[flat sandal]

you could also add that as a second vote

with 6 options in total

[thin remnant]

Ehhh

Would make it kinda harder to read tbh

[flat sandal]

like, super idea but there are more important things

yeah probably

also I would just be thinking about the bugs that need work first

but I would put low priority on every gun suggestion even if I liked it

changed my mind again. it would be a good idea as it basically lets you put a weight on what kind of stuff you think is important in general

I could vote high priority on every game mode suggestion even if I don't like it.I think that would say a lot

or they could just make a proper survey^^

[mystic juniper]

What is a "proper survey"?

[flat sandal]

idk proper surveys are hard to do. but generally one that doesn't just focus on what ppl think about events but the overall direction the game should develop. Most of the questions in previous surveys I was a bit indifferent about. essentially they were not very hard hitting.

[mystic juniper]

I know this gonna be pedandic, that still doesn't make them less of a "proper survey", just not the one you think is meaningful for the things you care about hunt 🙂

[flat sandal]

yeah true. If they want to feel out what players think though. I bet there are ways to design the questions in a way that does that. With proper survey I mean a really well crafted one. It's a whole thing ppl are experts in.

ppl would just lie probably but for example knowing the age of the players would help.

and figuring out what would make ppl actually spend money one. at the end of the day that's what it will be about

[mighty knot]

I cant believe people dont want bricks in the game

#game-ideas message

[thin remnant]

Pretty sure this was a meme suggestion right

[mighty knot]

[flat sandal]

I remember that and thought you were trolling

[mighty knot]

Maybe but the game could use some memes

[thin remnant]

So you were trolling yes?

[mighty knot]

Meme loadouts are always the best matches

[flat sandal]

it would be simple enough to do

can you find them in the workd or is it a melee tool?

[mighty knot]

Both i guess

[flat sandal]

never mind you said it^^

[mighty knot]

Bradley should have more then enough there

[flat sandal]

upvote

would buy skin

[mighty knot]

Could have a skin with moss on it

And a half broken brick skin

So many possibilitys

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message I feel like if they wanted to keep everything unlocked they wouldve, however they want prestigeing to hinder you, at least a bit, you get some of the best traits right away (packmule and dr) and some very very early on (like necro and resilience) yes I get some are high like physician, or pitcher, but they want you to unlock stuff, not to mention if they didn't, the bloodline progression would be so increadibly empty

[flat sandal]

prestigeing is cursed anyway. there isn't much to be done to make it not being a lazy way to have "content". Have it by all means but it's way oversold.

so in a way it makes sense to just have the level reset and that's it

[median zephyr]

yea, i mean adding more rewards like they are helps, but itll always be nothing, or people will be annoyed

[flat sandal]

there wouldnt be anything else left with that suggestion, right?

[median zephyr]

well theres still consumables

[flat sandal]

might as well throw those in as well

[median zephyr]

then prestiege is just have it all basically, besides a few gun variants, which is basically as nothing burger as it is, but im sure people would like that

[flat sandal]

it's really whatever anyway. it keeps some people happy though^^

sometimes I do it when I'm bored

what would actually be interesting is to have the game record how many hunters it takes you to get to BL100

and give you some crazy skin if you are good

that'd be some actual prestige thing to have. rn it's just says that you are kinda obsessed and very patient. cudos to the og p100 players. they should be rewarded as well 😄

[median zephyr]

thats a cool idea, but i do not think i want people sweating even more to get a cool skin, theyre already incentivised to just get up as fast as possible to get the skins, but i agree the prestiging, as much as i like it, is kind of a nothingburger

[flat sandal]

yeah, that is an issue. not sure if it would turn out bad or not.

I actually think ppl are a bit too yolo sometimes now

or quite the opposite actually... yolut

what if we could actually subscribe to challenges like that whenever we feel like it?

and grind out levels in them like that over time.

and have passive milestones with cosmetic rewards

for example a 1000 banishes solo skin and stuff like that. some real epic one. not sure if that's a lot or not^^

[median zephyr]

i wouldnt mind more stuff to do, just gives more content, as long as its not like "get 100 headhsots from over 200m" bc that incentivises an unfun playstyle

but things that progress by just playing, this is kinda like the questline system, but they didnt like that

[flat sandal]

it would have to be stuff that just happens passively

oh, yeah

if you have enough of these things, the things you end up getting would reflect your playstyle and strength in the game

[median zephyr]

i personally thought the questlines were a good addition, to do between events or whatever, but ig they thought it was too much work, not worth it, too complicated, or who knows what else

yea for sure, kinda like "golden guns" for other games, its a neat idea

[flat sandal]

man, so curious to see how the post "upgrade is in the future" time will turn out

[median zephyr]

Well see! Hopefully well :]

#game-ideas message I understand this may feel weird or unrealistic, but choke bombs don't need a nerf in this way, if the person is putting out their teammates like this 1, they're doing something, and 2 you likely can just burn them again, burn is plenty and making it even harder to put out isn't a good thing

[rustic timber]

Maybe I am being misunderstood.. It would not be a nerf.. I am saying it is weird it is going through brick walls from the other side.. Or through solid ground.. It is just weird to me.. I am not even sure it is intended.

[median zephyr]

Weather it was intended or not itd still be a nerf, but I get it, it wasn't originally intended, however I haven't seen them specifically say its unintended and shouldn't be used, plus I think it makes the game better, it doesn't need to be that easy to keep a burned body down if you're in concrete, it is not op in the slightest, even if it looks weird

Can't remember what they said specifically about poison bombs, but I thought they tried to justify it by saying "buildings are old with cracks so it seeps through" or something of the sort

So if they adopted the bug, then it wouldn't even be an exploit anymore, just an unintentional feature

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message I agree it's annoying when its vit shots, but I'd rather just always be allowed to inject even at full hp

[median zephyr]

I actually am not on discourd 34/7

I was going to happily explain, but seeing as you're gonna act like a jerk, I don't feel like I want to

Coming into a discussion channel, and not even giving me more then 20 minutes to respond to your bad faith question, does that sound reasonable to you?

"Anyone who downvotes my suggestion is attacking me personally or obviously is trolling" is a thought process too many people on here fall in to, I don't understand it

[tawny meadow]

Party people, be cool.

[median zephyr]

My apologies, I just feel like people come in here not to discuss, but to be rude

I'm not gonna harp on in it respect to the mods, but refer to my explanation as to why

Cool, have a nice day

[tawny meadow]

Once again, drop the argument and be cool about people disliking your idea, thanks.

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message i dont know if im the biggest fan of normal bosses doing this, but ive suggetsed smth like this for rotjaw since the beginning, covering you from outside whisper range, so you cant be sniped

[hot bronze]

feedback : remove the avtomat from the game. thanks

[storm pendant]

Wrong channel. #feedback

[frozen crater]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[median zephyr]

If they didn't remove it by now they won't, no matter how much I wish they would

They have a philosophy (which makes sense) that if they have a skin, they can't remove it

Next best thing is to nerf it, make it special ammo with worse resupply, thatd be a nice start

[storm pendant]

I don't mind the avto tbh.

It's super rare to run into and even when you do it almost always takes 2 bursts to kill you if not more

Absolute MONSTER indoors though

[frozen crater]

I dont like how it functions gameplay wise and thematically

[storm pendant]

I'm fine with having one off the wall gun, it looks neat, the put effort in t make it fit into the world, I don't like that we have several like it, though. Like the Cyclone

I totally get where you're coming from though

[frozen crater]

It has the efficacy of a near range shotgun while being monstrous to wallbang with, has the ability to perform at range (with AWFUL efficiency, but still a + over shotguns), and as a slap on the face uses mosin long ammo, which can 2 tap anywhere on the body within 40m

the long ammo mechanic is a plus and a minus since its 2 shot range is monstrous while its resupplying is awful

there are very few weapons that punish you more for catching you out of position

[storm pendant]

I really don't have an issue w/ it honestly. It's one of the big gorillabucks guns for a reason and you almost never see it, it's like a boss fight

I don't disagree with your points I just don't see it as a big problem, a bad player with an avto will just waste all their shots, it has a learning curve to it

It used to be semi-auto lol

That was truly busted

[frozen crater]

I dont like an unbalanced weapon that defies the core theme of the game out of principle, and dont think that a lack of popularity due to poor handling should keep it from being axed out of the game

the skin argument is the only thing that makes me ok with it being in the game, since it would be a nightmare for crytek to deal with

[storm pendant]

I don't really think it "defies the core theme of the game", it's arguably a compliment to the hierarchy

[frozen crater]

its the only fully auto weapon weapon in the game.

Its aesthetics match, but its performance and lore don't.

[storm pendant]

Sure, and I think that's neat. It's the only one like it

It's unique, and appropriately expensive and unwieldly

[frozen crater]

And the fact that its unique justifies its anachronism? Its arguably the worst offending gun in terms of anachronistic mechanics

[storm pendant]

I get where you're coming from but I still like it, and don't want it removed

[frozen crater]

I personally wish to see it deleted from the game, but I of course understand that my desires dont match community sentiment and arent practical from cryteks perspective

[storm pendant]

It's based off the pederson device which was created only a decade or so after, we have several guns which are technically after Hunt's time. It's not totally out of the question to assume that a population that regularly deals with the supernatural might accelerate firearms research a bit

[frozen crater]

I honestly think the nitro is a worse offender when it comes to high tier performance, but at least it thematically belongs in the gam.

[storm pendant]

I think that's a little harsh but you're not the only one

If I were to have anything just deleted from the game it'd be the cyclone tbh.

Cyclone isn't particularly overpowered, I mean you rarely see it, but I think it is a genuinely slap in the face to the rest of the arsenal, including the avto's position

[frozen crater]

It stands out for being defiant to gunplay with it being the only option to fully auto while adsing, with all of the rest of the core guns either firing at much slower paces or having large drawbacks

Agreed that the cyclone should have never been made, but Im much more mixed on that one since its a lot easier of a pill to swallow for me than the existence of the avto in Hunt

[storm pendant]

You can burst fire it, and it definitely has a large drawback

[frozen crater]

having large drawbacks in relation to their fast rof WHILE not being fully auto\

I understand that the avto has huge drawbacks, dont get me wrong

[storm pendant]

I really think you're overselling the avto tbh

[frozen crater]

I dont think the avto is a top performer

at all

I think that position belongs to the nitro

[storm pendant]

I don't mean to be rude but this feels a little bit like soapboxing

[frozen crater]

I dislike the avto for thematically being out of place and in a hierarchical view, being an inherently broken weapon

i mean Ive already acknowledged that I know nothing will come about in the way of calling for the removal the avto

[storm pendant]

I get where you're coming from but I just cannot get on board with your line of thinking, I don't think it's inherently broken at all, nor do I have any trouble suspending my disbelief that the alt history setting figured out something akin to a pederson device only a handful of years before the pederson was actually made

Especially when firearms are a lot more important in the Hunt universe because of all the supernatural monsters roaming about, not just in the Bayou

[frozen crater]

I should clarify, the broken aspect of the avto being its fully auto capability plus it having long ammo properties.

[frozen crater]

to be quite honest, I have no clue what you mean by this

[storm pendant]

Preaching rhetoric

[frozen crater]

Is this not a discussion regarding a weapons state in Hunt?

[storm pendant]

It is but also you're contradicting yourself, on one hand saying it's broken while acknowledging that it's outperformed by other guns

I think this discussion has more or less run its course, though. We've said our peace, might be time to change subjects :)

[frozen crater]

I can clarify this. When I say its broken, I refer to the avto's state historically being perpetually considered as overpowered by the community, followed by it now being considered a meme weapon with niche, VERY strong use cases that don't apply to the majority of Hunts population.

Since Crytek refuses to rework its fully auto properties, long ammo damage, and poor handling/resupply, its broken in the sense that its only really used effectively at the highest of levels while being seen as useless at mid to low levels. I think the mosin is a case of a much more balanced weapon (though it has significant flaws of its own), since its consistently seen as strong at all levels of play, regardless of rank or experience.

Basically, I think Hunts broken weapons are those which are at high tiers that are balanced solely by their crappy handling in lieu of reworking their very powerful core mechanics, those being the avtos rof/damage output.

sorry for the long response, I was halfway through typing it when you wanted to cut off the convo

its a divisive gun, and I would 100% understand why anyone in the community wouldnt want to see it but from the game. I know its not possible for the gun to be deleted.

[median zephyr]

100% agree

[storm pendant]

What you’ve just described is a pretty successful rebalancing though? Making something overpowered into a strong but niche weapon with eccentricities

[frozen crater]

do you want to continue the convo? I can stop right there if you want

[storm pendant]

Idk. I have thoughts but I’d rather talk about something else

I don’t think anyone’s gonna budge here (nor should they necessarily). I get where you’re coming from I just don’t necessarily agree

[frozen crater]

Ive clashed with a lot of others regarding spitzer/nitro balancing in the past

[storm pendant]

Spitzer is wack

[frozen crater]

This is my first time speaking about the avto, so my opinions/thoughts arent as refined

but I 100% understand others pov since theyre additions that are really enjoyed by other players

[frozen crater]

specifically spitzer/nitro

I havent heard too many thoughts from others besides you when it comes to the avto

[storm pendant]

Honestly I take way more issue with slugs than nitro

Holy shit that’s a rough typo

[frozen crater]

I personally think crown slugs should be massively tuned

theres an argument for the slate too

Ive seen a huge dip in slug usage over the months

god I still remember og slate slugs

[storm pendant]

When you hear a nitro in a fight you know what the deal is, you can prepare for it. It’s functionally pretty similar to like a crossbow.

Slugs on the other hand. You hear a shotgun, so you play outside of shotgun range and… still get punished, often through walls, because you can’t have possibly predicted that they had slugs without being psychic. Sure you can assume they have it, but then how do you play around it? By playing hyper passive from 30+ meters? That just isn’t fun or engaging

[frozen crater]

you know, I think slugs do make a slightly different sound in game

[storm pendant]

Not from afar only on projectile impact

[frozen crater]

its just really unnoticable on shotguns except the crown

lemme check in the shooting range because I know theyre different sounding in first person at least

dont have a friend to join to listen for third tho :/

[storm pendant]

Keep in mind some guns sound different w/ legendary skins you could be conflating

Sparks for example

[frozen crater]

it could be!

I dont use crown often, but when I do, I can definitely tell a difference between slugs and buck

checking rn

[storm pendant]

Also, even if they do sound slightly different it’s not realistic to expect people to be able to notice a minute difference and pick it out during the sounds of a gunfight.

And doesn’t really solve the issue I have w/ slugs which is that every shotgun can be turned into a baby nitro that one taps so far outside of.their effective range, it just feels bad to fight against and removes a lot of a shotgun’s downside in exchange for being about as difficult to aim as a rifle

[frozen crater]

yeah, it seems slugs change the crowns sound at least

I only know it because you can really tell the difference in a live fight with some experience if youre fighting against it

[frozen crater]

but this is very true

the sound difference should be massive

[storm pendant]

I just think slugs should have a more minor impact on OHK range. More consistency is still strong for shotguns even if it was 1:1

[frozen crater]

if youre curious. buckshot first btw

[frozen crater]

we'll see how shotguns function after the 8/15 patch

could be changes coming since we still have around a week for them to drop more balancing news

[storm pendant]

About the same in the ranges where it matters I reckon

[storm pendant]

That is noticeable but so noticeable that most people would hear that and go “Oh I need to be at least 30m out”

Nice to know though

[frozen crater]

yeah most people would defo not hear the difference

I can only hear a sound difference on the crown and romero

the rest sound the exact same to me when it comes to slugs and buckshot

[storm pendant]

I think just how drastically slugs extend range is my main problem with them. It removes most of shotgun’s downside in exchange for a few rounds which is pretty easily circumvented and having to aim it like a rifle.

Baby nitros as I said

In high star lobbies you still see more slug than buck in my experience. There’s definitely a reason for that

Granted long ammo will always be the meta

[median zephyr]

I agree, idk what to do with it, of it should just get the ohk range of the gun or what, but it's so unfun to fight

Not to mention even if you stay medium range, it 2 taps to the body farther then the winnie, which is just sad

[frozen crater]

I wonder if theyre going to change how slugs function since every other weapon will get infinite headshot range

I cant imagine crytek would apply that to slugs, but if shotguns dont see a general change, I would be very surprised

[storm pendant]

Tbf I think every slug should just get 2-3m extension of OHK range, so like 20-ish for the Romero as an example

Slug in general is just nuts and the ammo nerf didn't really address why they were so powerful and used over every other shotgun ammo

[thin remnant]

The ohk can be toned down for sure

They also already have a strength in shooting through tight angles.

[median zephyr]

I doubt it, I think they'll probably apply it to slugs too, I just hope they have enough drop for it to be ok

This is a big hypothetical, but one of the reasons slugs exists how it is, is to be a competitor to the meta, for shotguns

So let's say for instance, we get bullet drop near perfect, snipers fade away because it's too hard to play

This could make slugs the new meta depending on how they work

[vivid lodge]

why is the new mmr system not matching me with my skill level, im 4 star and consistently get in lobbies like this

[sand kiln]

What is your team MMR?

[vivid lodge]

me and my teammate are both 4 star

it should be 4 star then, right?

maybe a few 3s or 5s but def not full teams of 6

[sand kiln]

It could be 4-5

Some 6* sneaking in

Always been like that, but seem like some part of the community are just suffering cuz the Matchmaking

Hopefully they will do something since they are aware of this

[empty oasis]

@queen jungle Only one idea per post.
Please break them up into individual posts

@paper belfry Your post "Title: Why the hell the katana is unsheated when you rez???" has been removed as it was feedback. If you'd like to leave game feedback, please do so in the #feedback channel

[thin remnant]

@queen jungle ye as heathen said itd be much easier to vote on it if it was broken up pls

[empty oasis]

@queen jungle Your post "title : Hunt: Showdown Suggests Gameplay Improvements" has been removed due to Only one idea per post.
Shoot me a dm if you'd like a copy of the post so that you can break it up and resubmit

[thin remnant]

damn

[queen jungle]

Description: Add the ability for players to reset the stat progression of their entire account (or the option to reset KD upon prestiging) in order to clear stats like KILL/DEATH ratio or duo/trio wipe stats. As someone who's played this game for almost 7 years now, I really appreciated the 1.0 launch giving us a stat wipe because my first 600 hours were full of some seriously pathetic deaths. Even still, I wasn't the player I am today in the months post-1.0 launch, and as a result, I sometimes get told I can't play with people because my KD is low (my KD is only 1.64). My player stats have such a staggering weight on the lower side due to their earlier years, and even though I can just hide it, I would really rather have the ability to make KD weigh less on me entirely with a reset option. If it's really necessary, I'd also take the option to reset my account progression entirely (and keep my non-prestige reward legendaries from events + blood bond purchases) just to be able to have a KD that actually reflects my skills today at the cost of my monstrum unlocks, wipe stats, and prestige.

``` what do we think of this?

[thin remnant]

Not sure of the exact kind of system you suggested but I want something like this quite a lot so I upvoted

And especially as you were very vague and left the exact system up to interpretation which is good

I really want to have two sets of stats for all players:

Career stats, which are overall stats for their whole playtime, aka the current stats

And prestige stats, the stats for your current prestige

@queen jungle

[queen jungle]

I think KD has a lot of toxicity around it including gatekeeping, smurfing. I think it's the origin of a lot of less fun encounters within this community. So I'd like the ability to dampen its impact on interactions

And yes - I am coping about my KD being not as high as it could be. But I'm more concerned about other people who take it too seriously and lower the fun/integrity of the game just to raise it/keep it high.

[queen jungle]

KD should be removed entirely and replaced by a [average bounty points per match] stat that actually shows if somebody can play the objective.

Resetting KDA will just lead to people excluding others who recently did so, with the argument being "if you were good, you wouldn't need to reset your KDA, so you must be bad"

[flat sandal]

hide that shite

there has got to be some evidence that it is good for a game to show it or something. If so I would like to hear it or see it adressed in general. Cause, a lot of people, including me, think it's actually quite toxic. We could be wrong, idk

[dusky tapir]

iirc their pitch is like every so slightly lower, right?

[flat sandal]

#game-ideas message @chrome parrot I actually like these type of ideas but it shouldn't be based on MMR. That's just mean. It could be based on the actual hunter the player is playing, like, how well they performed with that hunter so far?

@empty oasis just curious, we don't have to drag this out. is it because you like the current system and don't want more complication? I think it's a really small step that just makes all traits equally relevant basically.

[empty oasis]

Yeah, I think the current system is fine. Now, I think that all traits might need a price adjustment based on how and how often theyre used, and I'd welcome more traits, but I dont think we need more than 15 slots or to reinvent the wheel as far as selecting traits go

[flat sandal]

yeah it's just that cheap traits will always be irrelevant. that's why they are cheap

just something you get cause you happen to have that amount of points left

could actually be fun combining them. but anyways... 😄 cheers

[thin remnant]

Solo magpie. Hundred hands for bow users. Bolt Thrower if you think that's cheap.
Dauntless. Vigilant.
Poacher for certain types of players

Overall, the cheaper traits seem to have a theme of being more niche-

Fitting only into a certain play style or loadout

[flat sandal]

a few ones yes. most of them have to go eventually, no? It doesn't have to be like that and I don't really see the costs of that.

you could have more traits with smaller effects and with more traits have more synergies, hence more builds. I don't see another way to get around the issue of cheap traits being less relevant. what you mentioned is true but not as effective in that imo

[blissful jackal]

kind of a meaningless stat to replace it with

[flat sandal]

because?

[blissful jackal]

just replaces it with something even more ambiguous, that doesnt really tell you anything about the player

do they have low average bounty points because they are bad or because they play for pvp

kd isnt great either but at least with high kd you know they are good most of the time

[flat sandal]

if you play for PvP you still take the bounty if you win. that's 90% of games

if you go for 2nd it's double or nothing, aka the same

[blissful jackal]

i play for pvp and if will get the bounty if its convenient, but will also ignore it if theres no players left or its far away

[flat sandal]

c'mon

the bad thing about kda is that ppl care too much

in many games it's all some think about as it's the ulimate meassure for who is "better"

imo it's just a silly stat for monkeys

[rustic timber]

I think allow monkeys to like what they like. 😉 Some people enjoy kd.. some people don't. Does that don't ignore it.. does that do.. counts it. What we have works for everybody! 😉

[blissful jackal]

def true

[flat sandal]

thing is we all have a little monkey inside

[blissful jackal]

but i think removing it and replacing it with some goofy measure liek average bounty points would be dumb

[flat sandal]

I think it would be worth a try

it definately says something

[blissful jackal]

i like being able to look at other peoples stats to gain at least a little bit of information about them mainly kd

i mean there already is a bounty metric

[flat sandal]

if you look at total bounty and the time ppl played you would also get a good idea if they are good or not

and it encourages actualy going for it

[blissful jackal]

yes that along with kd as well

[flat sandal]

but... but... it makes ppl care too much about just killing^^

[blissful jackal]

well i dont know how many matches are ruined from one team gettign small bounty and leaving while everyone fights at the other bounty

[rustic timber]

I would like an ingame rating system for teammate that lasts 24 hours. If majority votes you up, then you are good to goo! 😉

[blissful jackal]

wish they cared about killing

[flat sandal]

it would be a relive for many after an adaptation period

[radiant river]

Id rather them care about PVP than care about extracting with bounty

Matches where a team banished early and extracts without a fight while the rest of the server fights are the worst

[flat sandal]

in my experience that only happens when they are not contested or rarely when they have an opportunity to run. if that is an issue in the game it should be addressed differently I think, not by making ppl arbitrarily care more about killing

[crystal plume]

People caring about KD has the opposite effect of what you want though

People will run to avoid dying

People will sit in the boss lair with concertina on all entrances to avoid having to fight

[radiant river]

I think it goes both ways

[crystal plume]

A lot more in the way of less fun matches though

[radiant river]

The people sitting in the boss lair with concertina are never the ones with high kd's

[flat sandal]

it probably does go both ways. it's not driven by game mechanics though, which is bad on top of it already being bad^^

[radiant river]

Having kd be hidden so only you can see it is probably the best option

[crystal plume]

You don't need to have high KD to care about it

[radiant river]

So people can still see their own but don't feel external pressure

[crystal plume]

I have a high KD and I don't care about my KD at all

[flat sandal]

I care if it goes down 😄

[crystal plume]

If anything I see people with "lower" KD caring about it more and letting it affect their decisions in matches

[radiant river]

There isn't really a way to actually argue this but I don't think lower elo players camp/run away because they care about kd

I think they care about avoiding the feeling of losing

[flat sandal]

or they actually still have fun and are just scared

[radiant river]

That too

[flat sandal]

I#ll make a quick simple suggestion to completely remove KDA stat

[radiant river]

It's been suggested 1000 times

[flat sandal]

I know

but not quick and simple^^

how do ppl usualy vote?

[flat sandal]

#game-ideas message @rustic timber nothing wrong with non pay to win things to buy. why do you expect ppl to dislike it? I like the gambling idea.

[thin remnant]

And said "monkeys" judge others based on the stat, so it doesn't just affect those who care about it

[storm pendant]

@flat sandal Removing KDA stats only really help in large team games like SQUAD or Battlefield where glory hunting and personal kill measurements aren’t as important as objective captures and contributing to the offensive. Hunt is not this way, it’s a small team game where individual contributions have a huge impact on the game. Yes, K/D farmers are annoying, but I don’t think removing K/D is gonna stop them from playing that way

[mystic juniper]

It still affect people.
Especially bc Hunt doesn't offer any other parameters of gauging performance 🙂

[storm pendant]

1: Yes, Hunt does absolutely have another way of gauging performance. It’s called MMR, and it’s front and center on your screen when you log in. Those little stars under your name in the lobby that dictate your average match difficulty.

2: What “affects” people? What does removing KDA actually solve?

Like I guess being able to hide it if you’re self conscious and care too much about your KD isn’t a bad idea but removing KDA is just silly

[mystic juniper]

1: MMR system is shit at gauging anything, I've seen 6 star players in 2 star lobbies and vice versa.
2: It just affects people, like, I'm not a KDA person, but it still is nice to see number go up, human brain is just wired to chase such things to greater or lesser extend 🙂

And yes you can say "doesn't affect me"

that is fair

and valid

but it affects other

Have a friend that needs to disable it bc it affect her too much to see it go down or being stuck

It encorage people who care to play more passive

[storm pendant]

You definitely have not seen a 6* in a 2* lobby because matchmaking is weighted against the highest rank player in your team

[storm pendant]

You still haven’t explained what removing KDA solves.

So some people are self conscious about the silly little number in a video game? So you want to remove a form of tracking that metric from everyone else

[mystic juniper]

No a literal 6 star player, but a player performing like a 6 star.

[mystic juniper]

Removes focus from KDA, it removes the temptation to focus on it.

[storm pendant]

But that isn’t a problem

[mystic juniper]

For you and that is fair 🙂
I would argue it encorages and nudges people to play the game the most unfun way.

[storm pendant]

It’s a personal metric you can choose to ignore. You don’t even have to look at it, it’s in a sub menu with all of your stats

[mystic juniper]

And damages the health of the game

[storm pendant]

People who play passive to farm kills would do regardless. If not KDA, for total kills or stars.

[mystic juniper]

We already have the stories of randoms extracting team-mates to perserve KDA.

[mystic juniper]

Not if there weren't a metric to track it.
And yes, sure there would still be SOME that would sit with a notepad I guess.
But it would still lessen it

Dunno man, KDA in hunt doesn't matter

So why have tracker for it?

[storm pendant]

Because more people than not want it. I’m okay with being able to hide it but not outright removing it because it makes some people feel bad when their number is low. That’s a mentality problem, not an issue with the game and the devs cannot bend to every whim of the overly anxious.

I’d argue the problem you’re describing is a matchmaking issue. You should be able to block certain people from being paired w/ you in future. Eventually people who play the game like solos would have to roll solo

[queen jungle]

It goes to show whether somebody is decent at fulfilling the objective of the game or not.

Of course a reference chart similar to the MMR-stars would be nice

Like "the average hunter extracts X bounty per ten matches"

[mystic juniper]

I don't think it is a wrong assumption that more people want than not.
That said, just because we want something doesn't corollate if its actually good for the game's health.

[storm pendant]

Right but none of whet you described is really an inherent problem with the game, just people’s mentalities.

[queen jungle]

So many new players recently, nice to see

[mystic juniper]

End of the day, I've given my case how it nudges people into what many regards of "boring" or "toxic" game behaviour.

[mystic juniper]

And people mentality is affected from feedback, like this is 101 psychology

[mystic juniper]

Not new, just old account got hacked lmao

[storm pendant]

I like your idea of showing win rate but then we’d see people going “only x% winrate allowed” in lfg

[storm pendant]

Also not new to game, just migrated from teamspeak because nobody uses it anymore

[thin remnant]

But people do that with kda now lol

[mystic juniper]

And MMR

[thin remnant]

Winrate is more accurate to actual skill at least

[storm pendant]

I know, I’m saying replacing KDA with another stat doesn’t help at all

People will always find something to compete over and fixate on

[queen jungle]

I do 😮

[storm pendant]

I used to but 90+% people who used it have all long since nmigrated

Also big communities like this are non existent there

[mystic juniper]

That is very true 🙂
Again, think one important thing that you might have overlooked about my statement about KDA is that is bad in Hunt bc it is basically one of the only ways to gauge your own performance 🙂
If we had better ways it would be less of an issue.

[queen jungle]

Yeah, it's sad to see

[storm pendant]

But it’s not, MMR is more important (generally) because it represents your survival rate and what level you can generally compete in. The only exception is solo where it’s way easier to lose MMR than to gain it because MMR is weighted to be slightly lower or just at your level, so your kills matter less and your deaths matter more. Someone who’s 3* solo main can most likely compete comfortably at a 4* level in teams for example

There will always be outliers and people who play in unsportsmanlike ways, but removing K/DA will prompt people to make their own or find another metric to obsess over

[mystic juniper]

Except it doesn't, the MMR system in Hunt is horrible flawed and it have been a very common critique of the game for years.
It simply doesn't represent your skill-level accurately enough for people to be able to use that as metric for success.
And if you mean the current updated MMR, I still think we need to give it some time to truly gauge if its an improvement over the old system 🙂

[flat sandal]

In every fps shooter I have ever played there was a hyper focus on KDA. It always bothered me it takes the fun out to some extend. So the issue that it solves in my opinion in not specific to hunt. It's taking something out of the equation that influences people in a bad way. Especially young folks argue about it constantly in my experience. Remove it an you remove that, I don't see any negative consequences. Just get rid of all these small negative interactions goes a long way

[storm pendant]

Literally just ignore it

[flat sandal]

MMR is also not really a measure, just a frame of reference within ppl compare themselves with KDA

[storm pendant]

That is the solution to your problem

[mystic juniper]

Literally just understand basic psychology my dood

[flat sandal]

exactly

again, we monkeys 😄

[mystic juniper]

Like we can ofc take mental steps and understanding to how things affects us

But still gonna affect us

[storm pendant]

And none of what you guys have described is a problem

Not one that can be solved by just “delete number”, at least

[flat sandal]

or maybe you haven't developed the awareness. that doesn't mean it doesn't effect you or the community overall

[storm pendant]

If you’re going to discuss in bad faith I’m just not going to discuss it w/ you

[flat sandal]

it's just something to think about

[mystic juniper]

This is nothing about bad faith, it just... dunno, you clearly seem not to believe in very proven science about this stuff

[storm pendant]

You haven’t provided any proof that KDA is the root cause as opposed to say, the risk of losing hunters, or human’s innate drive in competition and the desire to feel like they’re winning. All you’ve described to me is “well it makes some people feel bad and sometimes people K/D farm” which are both true, but not inherently an issue with K/D/A, and as said, people would just fixate on something else.

Removing K/D/A would only move the goalpost

[flat sandal]

perhaps to a better spot

[storm pendant]

If they’d remove K/D/A we’d be back next week having the same discussion about something else

[flat sandal]

I would just like to see it tried out

[storm pendant]

And I don’t think that chance is worth removing K/D/A for the people who want it

[flat sandal]

so we are stuck with the status quo forever?

[storm pendant]

This is a point we brought up the last time we talked about one of your suggestions, you seem to just want to change things for the sake of change. Your suggestion would not meaningfully improve the game or the mentalities of the people who play it.

Sometimes the status quo is that way because it works

[flat sandal]

yes, and again. that is your opinion

[storm pendant]

Just as your points are strictly opinions

[flat sandal]

it's not a healthy way to argue

of course they are

I'm nerding out about a game here

[mystic juniper]

I never said it is the root cause.
Just said it is a factor that encourages bad game experiences.
I personally only have anecdotal examples of how KDA affect people in Hunt, but compounded on top of proof how we see multiple people from other games talking about "bad KDA mindset" and companies removing KDA tracking from their games seems to be evident that it can have negative impact to your game's health 🙂
And once again, as I said, KDA is mostly an issue in Hunt bc we don't have other meta progression to chase, as it have been proven multiple times, we humans LOVE to make goals for ourselves.

[storm pendant]

So it’s unhealthy for me to present an opinion and for you it’s fine?

[flat sandal]

well you don't lable it as such. you state them as facts

[storm pendant]

Ah okay so you don’t like that I’m disagreeing w/ you. Got it

[flat sandal]

omg

just leave it please. I don't want to sit here refraining. I don't know how old you are

I know, I know. it matters to me though

[storm pendant]

Yeah because randomly bringing age and saying you’re having to “refrain” in a discussion is super mature

[flat sandal]

well it is and I do

happy to stay on topic

[storm pendant]

Seeing as you cannot seem to have a good faith discussion w/o getting personal I’ll pass.

[flat sandal]

I don't really mean to get personal. I can't help it if you take it personally

jsut cause it's the second time now I felt the need to mention the problem I am having here which is just genuin

[storm pendant]

@dusky tapir I saw you removed a downvote on the scotty p suggestion. Change your mind?

[mystic juniper]

Just a small errata to you post on that, Springfield Compact was the first Medium 2-slot 😛

[storm pendant]

True enough, I meant of its type, like repeating

[mystic juniper]

No worries 🙂

[storm pendant]

I’ll make a quick correction

[mystic juniper]

Also Nagant P would also like that treatment lmao

[storm pendant]

Ehh. Nagant has the officer carbine but I wouldn’t be opposed to Nagant P getting buffed too. I almost never see it but that’s really a problem of the nagant Vs the officer and everything else

[mystic juniper]

Nagant and Nagant Officer are two different weapons 🙂

[storm pendant]

They have two different trees I’m aware, but the officer carbine is just a nagant… but double action and a carbine

[mystic juniper]

yeah

[storm pendant]

They used to be in the same tree iirc

[mystic juniper]

Hence why I don't mind Nagant P to get a slight damage and MV buff.

[storm pendant]

But the officer was too strong so they made it its own thing to level gate it early on

[mystic juniper]

Bc it ain't gonna compete with Officer Carbine

[storm pendant]

Yeah I don’t have an issue w/ that. More slots should be mo betta generally

[mystic juniper]

That said both Nagant and Scottfield have access to HV, so guess they don't need that too much

But still just makes the gun "HV only"

[storm pendant]

The damage is the main thing. The range at which you have to triple tap w/ scotty P is shockingly low and the M/V is unbelievably slow. One of the slowest of all the pistols. It also takes a HUGE hit from FMJ, like a 3rd if its velocity just evaporated

[mystic juniper]

True true, it is easier to advocate for the Scotty, Nagant P is arguably better than the Winnie Vandal 🙂
It fires faster (1 sec vs 1.2 sec) and have no sway/recoil.

So giving it more damage might just out compete the Winnie Vandal even more

[storm pendant]

Winnie still has notably higher 2 tap range thanks to the higher base dmg

[mystic juniper]

Currently 91 vs 107 damage.
Bornheim gets +6 damage on its match.

[mystic juniper]

Around 41m vs 31m, so not amazingly huge

And if the Nagant P got +6 damage up to 97, it would be 34m

Like wouldn't break the Nagant P, just something to consider

And winnie vandal still gets 370m/s vs Nagant P's 330m/s

Tho match also increases that

Which would be around 20m/s more, so 350 vs 370

Yeah

I can see that

Still think for the Scottfield it should follow the same "logic" so +6 damage, +20m/s.
Would be 113 damage with 300m/s

[storm pendant]

Those differences are just too minor

[mystic juniper]

I mean that is how it is on the Bornheim

You cannot argue with the already established rules :V

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message as interesting as this is, they have rng, so it just doesnt work unless they make them accurate (which im for)

[storm pendant]

I suggested assailant making throwing weapons accurate. Throwing arc for consumables isn’t always 100% accurate either. Enough side to side deviation and tumble to make shots that appear like they’ll go through bounce off surfaces

I’ve killed myself many times because the game told me a throw would clear and it didn’t

[unborn dagger]

@frozen sandal wait Pitching works on throwing weapon tools?

[storm pendant]

Nope

[unborn dagger]

Dammit

[storm pendant]

Ikr

[unborn dagger]

I had a feeling that it didn't work but I didn't check

[storm pendant]

Not that they need it. I’ve killed a decent number of people with throwing knives. None w/ axes yet tho

[unborn dagger]

I've gotten one a couple of kills with throwing axes and one with throwing knives

[storm pendant]

Throwing knife is better relatively slow though. Good for throwing around a corner and backing off without exposing yourself. With good gamesense it’s actually a pretty safe way to secure free dmg

[unborn dagger]

I still kind of wish it was better in damage at times

[storm pendant]

Throwing axe’s velocity is slow enough that you’re required to commit

[storm pendant]

I wish it had poison coating but I think doing 130-something damage to players plus bleed is more than fair for something you can chuck around a corner and bolt away from and still do damage

If you headshot it’s instant kill at any range

I also like to arc throwing knives into windows from cover. Gotten a few kills that way

[unborn dagger]

Yeah I need to do that more dx

[storm pendant]

Can’t do that with axes

At least not from any reasonable distance

If you get hit you can use that pressure to get enemies to walk right into a throwing knife, and by the time they turn the corner and eat 130 damage you’re goneski

Very fun though not always practical. Similar practicality to melee baiting

@frozen sandal Honestly man I prefer having to manually learn the arc for throwing weapons.

[empty oasis]

T.knives and T.axe velocity is the same at 30m/s iirc

[storm pendant]

Hey congrats in mod

That can’t be right tho

Throwing knives are noticeably slower unless it’s just some psychological tomfuckery with their straighter arc

I wonder if anyone has tested in shooting range

[empty oasis]

I think it mostly because of the arc and size throwing off perception

T.axe also only needs a torso hit to kill, so they're more forgiving in that aspect for pvp

[storm pendant]

I don’t necessarily trust the store page stats for anything that isn’t a rifle or pistol tbh

Straighter arc would mean on average they reach their target slightly faster no?

[empty oasis]

Unless you're going for extreme range I doubt it'd be anything noticeable

[blissful jackal]

which doesnt really mean much... you can do boss sometimes and no one even comes, the ai is so easy,

imo its even more flawed than kd

total bounty basically already does that in comparison to time played

[queen jungle]

You can't see time played though

[flat sandal]

it's funny in a way. hunt is literally not a game about killing people. Yet it's what people talk about. nobody ever cares about the other stats you can see. Yet we are supposedly not obsessed with it. The writing is on the wall guys 😄 we addicts

just thought about an interesting (maybe) example to illustrate what this is about or a way of thinking about these thing. Imagine the metric wasn't kda but accuracy. That's another thing ppl take great pride in. probably less ppl would care cause the costs are higher but it would effect what kind of weapons are being played and playstyle in general

like if accuracy would take the prominent spot in the game that kda has now. Btw, the game really shoves it in your face^^

SOT is a good example where the actual win condition is prioritised an no one cares about how many ppl they kill. That should be the priority imo, that players actually want to do everything to extract with the bounty, if that gets boring, the game could be adjusted accordingly. Perhpas you would end up with a more fun game mode that way

[storm pendant]

Yeah they just give us guns and add bounties that encourage people to converge so we can have barbecues with other hunters…

[flat sandal]

cause where it is going is pvp

[flat sandal]

not sure what you are saying

or why

[storm pendant]

The game actively wants you to fight other players. The bounties are designed so that people will fight. The objective is cool but it’s mainly just a mcguffin to get people into fights

SoT is a very different game from Hunt

[flat sandal]

yeah I know

it's not really where I was going with that

[radiant river]

The current way the boss works mean that if people care about the bounty over PVP the game can become very boring

[storm pendant]

It kinda was? You’re saying the game might be more fun if it were leaning more towards getting the objective and less toward PvP but the game has plenty of room for both

[flat sandal]

yeah true

on the other hand now it doesn't seem to know exactly what it wants to be

[storm pendant]

The only time I leave without PvPing is as a solo when there’s 3 teams surrounding me. Otherwise I try to pick up at least a FEW kills

[storm pendant]

I don’t see it tbh. Game is clearly designed around fighting people for the objective and PvE is there as a hurdle not as the main challenge.

[radiant river]

If banish was longer and guaranteed everyone would have time to make it there, and if the boss/bounty went faster after the whole lobby is dead besides you, bounty extract % would mean a lot more

[flat sandal]

I meant it as an approach to get a well thought out game mode

[radiant river]

Also the fact this game essentially has no loot besides the bounty and other players is what differentiates it from a sea of thieves or an escape from tarkov game where people care about money and survival rate

[flat sandal]

yeah imo hunt needs more of these things

but primarily a well defined goal and then go off of that

[storm pendant]

Bounty hunt is pretty well thought out imo

[storm pendant]

Exactly. Your best source of money IS looting bodies from PvP after bounty

[flat sandal]

but ppl fight often without a real reason just cause that's what we want to do

[median zephyr]

I like how hunt is relatively, I don't want it to be a looter shooter like tarkov, we fight over the bounty, and it is there to give us fights basically

[flat sandal]

after like 500h that is

[median zephyr]

The reason is they're there for the bounty too, you don't only kill people once they are at the lair or smth

[storm pendant]

The reason is to clear the map and get bounty. Wiping a team earlier is the best aY to nudge the odds in your favor. One less team you have to contest with later

[radiant river]

Yeah exactly. It plays more like a battle royale than a looter shooter

[flat sandal]

yeah but is it not in your games like that ppl hear shots and often run towards them to fight?

[median zephyr]

Which Is a good thing imo

[median zephyr]

Yes, bc like I just said eliminating a team helps you get the bounty

[storm pendant]

Yeah I LIKE that they add more guns and tower loot spawns and stuff to the world but it’s not the best way to get them. Opens the doors for shenanigans without being too much

[median zephyr]

No matter where they are

[radiant river]

Pledge marks are an interesting middle ground of something to "loot" in a match

[median zephyr]

If it was supposed to be everyone fighting around one lair, we'd all spawn in a circle around it

[storm pendant]

Yes, in service of getting the objective later. If a team is knocked out, it’s less people you have to fight over the bounty.

[flat sandal]

I would jsut like there to be a bit more consideration

[median zephyr]

I like pledge Mark's, I just don't want this game to be "I'm doing a rat run" avoiding all pvp to check for loot spots

[flat sandal]

also don't think the reason is entirely strategic tbh

[median zephyr]

There is strategy involved, but sure, it's also fun to fight, that's why people do it

[storm pendant]

Nerdling I don’t want to be rude but all of your suggestions and comments make me think you just want Hunt to be a different game. You want a trait system closer to an RPG, disincentivize PvP

[median zephyr]

Which isn't w bad thing

[flat sandal]

you could have rat runs if you could have more players on the map

I never do them really but the times I did it was actually quite fun

[median zephyr]

I still don't want it, this game isn't tarkov or a looter shooter, it's a battleroyale esque shooter

[storm pendant]

You can still do rat runs. I do pistol or hand crossbow and saber all the time with the express purpose of looting better weapons

[median zephyr]

Sure maybe its enjoyable to rat, but this game is built off pvp, the whole thing is "fight over the bounty" if other things become safer and more lucrative, this whole game falls out the window

[flat sandal]

that's why we need another game mode in which stuff can be tried out

and the conservatives can have bounty hunt

[storm pendant]

Not really? It just seems like you want Hunt to be a completely different game

[flat sandal]

aww maaaan

[storm pendant]

Bruh, when did politics come into this

[flat sandal]

politics?

[median zephyr]

We don't do other game modes really, it splits up the players, and people in this new mode would just farm to have money for bounty hunt

No matter which way you cut it it's bad for the health of the game

[flat sandal]

if it wasnt seperate

[flat sandal]

I mean of course that isn't true

[storm pendant]

I’m fine with another game mode. Genuinely it’d be cool to have 12 players fighting and respawning around DeSalle as like silhouettes, gunfighting ghosts locked in dndless combat as a free for all or something. Fistful of Frags but Hunt would be so cool, but we need a playerbase that is large enough to support it and interested in playing it

[median zephyr]

Yes it is, you can't let anyone do whatever they want

[flat sandal]

is that what I want?

if I did then you would most likely be correct

[median zephyr]

If someone wanted to make hunt a racing game, should they be able to load in a car? Are they invincible? After all they don't want pvp, so it's only fair to them

[storm pendant]

I think there’s room for other game modes like a casual random matchmade dueling mode or free for all around a larger compound but in general I agree. More major modes would be bad for the game

Quickplay for example didn’t split the community, it’s a good supplement, but it’s the closest I’d ever want to a “major” mode

[flat sandal]

it didnt split the community because not many are playing it

if they did it would split the community

when ppl say that they usually mean for MM purposes

[storm pendant]

Enough people to play it to consistently find full matches even late at night but yes like I said it’s a supplement.

People hop on for a few rounds to warm up or when their friends are offline and then go to bounty hunt

[median zephyr]

yes it is for mm purpouses, this would take up servers, and still split the community no matter how small

[flat sandal]

yes, so did quickplay

[median zephyr]

if there was a whole seperate pve mode, as long as it was fully seperate and we had the players id have no problem

yes it did, doesnt mean we need more splitting

[flat sandal]

no, need more players first

[storm pendant]

Again I still think there’s room for something small. We have enough players in the major regions to facilitate something like an 8 split FFA mode or something, but when we start talking about alternatives to bounty hunt it’s a different story

[median zephyr]

if theres enough players, and its seperate fully from bounty hunt i wouldnt mind

but they way you describe it its like you want to go into the "rat" mode to get money for bounty hunt

[storm pendant]

This^

[flat sandal]

no not at all. kinda went from one thing being put in my mouth to another to this point 😄

[median zephyr]

ah fair enough

[flat sandal]

the rat thing was just a thought on the rat thing

[median zephyr]

if its seperate and theres enough players, id 100% support it

[flat sandal]

not me demanding something^^

[storm pendant]

@upbeat slate Neat in theory but offers no real advantage to just throwing the dynamite. Leaves you mega vulnerable because you have to get close and stand still, then light it. Takes way longer for less radius, therefore less dmg, and no extra utility. I think your suggestion would go over better if it was right clicking to stick regular dynamite to a wall and thus being able to shoot it with incen to blow it ip, but I don’t even like that.

[flat sandal]

having a couple of rats on top of what we have now could be fun though

[median zephyr]

i disagree

[flat sandal]

it could not?

[median zephyr]

rats are never fun to fight, only way is if they dont exist

[flat sandal]

the rats I mean don't want to fight

they have some other obective

[median zephyr]

theyre either not there (looting the map, doing god knows what) or doing some type of sniping, extract or clue camping, etc

if people dont want to fight in hunt, this is the wrong game for them

its a pvp game with pve on the side

[flat sandal]

tools not rules 😄

the game sets a stage. if ppl play the game in an unfun way it's the games fault

that's kinda what I mean with prioritising the bounty as well

the pvp should happen from players trying to prevent the bounty team from extracting. and other things of course

it's like that with all good games also irl

[storm pendant]

@molten blaze MMR acts as an approximation of your recent KDA. I wish they still let you see your exact range though

I sort of like the idea of extinguishing enemy hunters but there’s a lot of griefing potential and every team should have chokes anyway. Packmule more or less overrides the loss of the choke, but one person will have to miss out on the cash. The way my team doss it is that the person who doesn’t want to loot throws the choke and gets it back from a toolbox so the others can get consumables or cash unless we’re running vulture

@woeful hare I don’t like that idea. You can stand in low flow pressure rivers without too much trouble, and the rivers in Hunt don’t seem particularly rapid. Also just sounds annoying for gameplay

[median zephyr]

yes exactly buffing ratting would be the games fault

[flat sandal]

Let me say that this is not a knock on hunt either. It's a good twist on the BR genre. However the genre in general has issues. Really it evolved as it did because it's cool to put a bunch of people on the map until just one is left. All the ways this is achieved without taking 10h are basically an imperfect solution. Hunt is actually really good in that respect.

[median zephyr]

it shouldnt be incentivised in any way, youre physically allowed to do it, but its not good, and for good reason

[storm pendant]

Hunt is the immersive sim of shooters fr fr. That’a why I want a singleplayer title so badly

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message i do not like this idea, this is one of the downsides of burning, you either have to loot first, use a choke, or no loot for you

[flat sandal]

okay let me dish out a hard disagree as well for once. I think these kind of decisions are weird and too gamey

[median zephyr]

it is a game yes

but well just agree to disagree, ive already said my peace on why i dont think its a good idea

[flat sandal]

the cholk thing is actually weird

[storm pendant]

… it’s a video game

[flat sandal]

yes thanks

[median zephyr]

people complain about "instaburning" but then want it to have less downsides, burning is there to force a fight, and shouldnt be used if you want the loot

yes, its there to deincentivise burning

[storm pendant]

Exactly this. As a solo I know that if I start burning a teammate there’s a high chance I’m not gonna get to loot them all. That’s the downside

[flat sandal]

it should probably be no loot under any circumstances when burned

[median zephyr]

youre saying you dont want it to be able to be put out?

[storm pendant]

Nah. What if they get rezzed? Sacrificing a choke requires that they’re both not completely burnt out

[flat sandal]

I didn't read the suggestion. I just don't like all these loot decision making things

[storm pendant]

No he means if they get lit up while downed you cannot loot them regardless of whether or not it was put out

[flat sandal]

and if you can throw a cholk you should also be able to put them out as you can your teammates

[storm pendant]

Choke

[flat sandal]

it's a game but consistency is not unimportant

yes thank you

[storm pendant]

There are different rules for enemies and friendlies for a reason. The downside to burning is that to loot you have to sacrifice something in return, like a choke bomb/bolt. It’s a deliberate balancing decision. Burning should be a last resort to force passive players into a fight

[flat sandal]

can you still repeatidly burn and extinguish enemies and loot them again

[median zephyr]

i disagree, for the exact reasons mentioned above, burning shouldnt be a no brainer

[median zephyr]

no

[flat sandal]

guys, as if it would be this super game changer if you can get loot one more time or not

[median zephyr]

it would be a huge game changer

[storm pendant]

If it makes you feel better fully burning someone will take half the time next update so it will be very hard to loot someone you set on fure

[median zephyr]

the question is WHY do you want it, bc theres enough loot around as is

[flat sandal]

I dont care really, what I dislike are all these weird things. like standing there being like "I have vulture, you guys go first"

there is too much of that

[median zephyr]

vulture is changed next patch

[storm pendant]

It doesn’t matter how big of a change, the fact is that it’s a deliberate balance decision and even something minor can tip the scales into unforeseen co sequences

[median zephyr]

all hunters have it by default

[storm pendant]

Oh shit what the change

[median zephyr]

and no need to redesign the whole system over a slight annoyance

[flat sandal]

is there? I don't understand any of these arguments rn. it's all relative

[median zephyr]

yes there is

[flat sandal]

it's a question of if you want ppl to have more consumables on average or not

[median zephyr]

yes basically, but packmule is good for a reason

with your suggested change, a whole team can get 12 things, from one body

thats insane

a trio*

[storm pendant]

What’s the change to vulture?

[flat sandal]

yeah, to fill up your pockets before you loot so you get 50 dollars from the bodies instead 😄

[median zephyr]

vulture does this next patch

so looks like you got 2 things you want

[flat sandal]

does what?

the loot changes are awesome

[median zephyr]

everytime you loot you get money from hunters

[storm pendant]

You het money every time you loot instead of just when full on consumables

[median zephyr]

even if youre not full

[flat sandal]

yeah and you can always loot

like, fing finally

[storm pendant]

Yeah they’re undoing the rule of 2. Burnt out hunters will still be unlootable though.

[flat sandal]

exactly addresses some of the weirdness

[median zephyr]

it is a good change for trios, was always weird to need vulture for your kill

like others kills, you didnt work for that, but yours? weird

[storm pendant]

It made more sense back in the day when consumables weren’t as easy to replenish

Less toolboxes, no consumables in towers or in compounds etc

[flat sandal]

you'll hate this but perhaps you should actually just be able to loot the stuff the ppl had on them

[storm pendant]

Had that thought before but honestly not a fan

[median zephyr]

id rather not change it, the system is good, dont think it needs an overhaul

nor even benefits

[storm pendant]

If it ain’t broke don’f fix jt

[flat sandal]

just getting a random item for some reason is a weird thing in my book

I know it's a game

still

[woeful hare]

well I didn't mean like low flow, I mean only heavy flow ones. Like there's canals n shit that literally throw you on your side

[median zephyr]

id rather something that works gameplay wise, then a realistic thing that makes the game worse

literally 100% of the time

[storm pendant]

I still don’t care for it. Just sounds unfun tbh. Already so much in a gunfight to consider I don’t want to worry about hacing to worry about being moved against my own will

[flat sandal]

yeah totally. I just think it is the way it is due to the way the game is built and later a reason has been created

[median zephyr]

For sure, it works out

[flat sandal]

you have to admit it very awkward. you go up a tool box a random item gets spawned on you, it's a dynamit stick, you don't want it so you light it up and throw it in the water so no one hears you.

better luck next time

you badly need a medkit but "oh no" you used that fuse earlier

[storm pendant]

Then throw a choke

It’s not rocket science dude

[flat sandal]

what's that gonna do?

and no, it for sure is not rocket science

[storm pendant]

Are we still talking about looting burnt hunters?

[flat sandal]

no, weird things we have to do and got used to

[median zephyr]

It is weird, but everything about the game is weird, random items spawn, random clues spawn, tons of stuff is random chance

Otherwise the map would be stagnant like "this toolbox always has a medkit"

Like the boss didn't actually place that clue, that toolbox wasn't actually full of stuff by someone, its game mechanics for games sake

[flat sandal]

it will until you throw that fuse

[median zephyr]

Wym?

[flat sandal]

if the only thing you used is a medkit. every toolbox has a medkit

doesn't matter

[umbral quail]

Can anyone confirm or deny FOV and gamma slider in game for console for the next update?

[median zephyr]

Yes exactly, that's just as strange as getting a random item

[median zephyr]

I'm unsure, I def don't remember confirmation either way

[flat sandal]

I'm fairly certain that the reason the things are not different is that the game doesn't have the necessary features and not for deliberate gameplay reasons

it started as a zombie game after all

[median zephyr]

Well if something is unrealistic and balanced for gameplay, then yes that's a good thing

[flat sandal]

I was saying that it isnt because of that

[median zephyr]

I do, I doubt they want specific items in constant spawn toolboxes, thatd be atrocious gameplay

This game is good for its variations, boss being in different spots, different ai in different spots, the RNG keeps it fresh

[flat sandal]

not advocating for loot pinatas all over the place

it can, of course, still be random. just not weird

[storm pendant]

This is why saddlebags were added. To separate the loot tables

[flat sandal]

You two are getting some home work. for two days you are only allowed to say nice things about suggestions that you like 😛

[storm pendant]

Could you imagine getting concertina bombs on regular hunters or toolboxes

[storm pendant]

There’s usually nothing to discuss about ideas we like because most of what could be said has been said in the post.

[flat sandal]

then, my friend, you have never known the joy of nerding

[storm pendant]

If you say so

[flat sandal]

sorry forgot the smiley

😄

[median zephyr]

I mean your earlier suggestion was double loot off bodies, which is this

[flat sandal]

mine?

[median zephyr]

God no, I say good things about ones that I find interesting to talk about, if more get suggested I'd happily

[flat sandal]

okay so we are really not vibing here. you guys role differently. that's totally fine but I#m out. good night

[storm pendant]

I’d rather help people workshop less thought out ideas than play hype man for stuff I can just vote a thumbs up on and be done. I thumbs up lots of suggestions I like , maybe add a sentence here if I have an idea, but beyond that there just isn’t all that much to talk about.

[flat sandal]

don't take things so seriously. I feel like you are misreading me a lot. could be my fault

need more smileys^^

ever head of a sh*t sandwich?

[median zephyr]

gn! and of course i take things at face value, i dont just yes and any suggetsion