feedback-discussion

[median zephyr]

but my point is it cant be better then the actual gun slots, like if we just make it a crossbow or shotbolt like it is now, thats gross

[crystal plume]

They can always bring the damage/1 tap range down to compensate, it's not fair to balance bows, spears or such around the idea of "well it's balanced if they hit arms that are in front of the enemy's torso anyways 90% of the time as they are aiming at you"

[rustic timber]

Oooh my... the spear is gonna be crazy. I wish I could start playing, but som graphic error has taken the forrest down.

[median zephyr]

i dont mind the arms at all, its in your control to aim the shot, yes something like slugs are easier, but in return you get huge one tap ranges

obv it feels bad, but theres not like shot rng, you just gotta avoid the pesky noodles

[crystal plume]

It's in your control to aim the shot at their torso yes, it's not in your control whether or not the arms will be there

Hence why they added limb pen to literally every other gun ages ago

Since it was the same issue with every gun and turned into issues like machete being meta because the melee animation made your arms cover your torso as you rush the enemy

[median zephyr]

well you just assume arms will be there, they dont like appear, gotta avoid em

[crystal plume]

At that point might as well aim for the head

[median zephyr]

nah, head is way smaller, you play these things for body taps otherwise a normal gun would help with headhsots more

ive had no problem with bows or crossbows etc, but who knows maybe i have the magic touch

obv you hit the arms sometimes, but like i said its like hitting arms with compact, you missed where you wanted

[crystal plume]

These are the actual hitboxes, if I see someone like this and I have a bow I will either have to aim for lower torso or the head

[crystal plume]

It's not the same at all as compact will go through the arm and deal torso damage

Unless you hit the arm when it was on the side

[median zephyr]

yes i know, my point is its a miss

[crystal plume]

Which is fair in that case

[median zephyr]

yes the side

but yea, big one tap range, gotta get a good shot

if they know youre there theyre always aiming at you, just gotta account for it

its more of a frustration thing then like a balance thing, its like, i get annoyed if i get aim punched, but i dont think it needs a nerf

[crystal plume]

I'll just agree to disagree, as long as bow isn't consistent feeling I'll only use it for weekly challenges and I'll just leave it at that

[median zephyr]

fair, some weapons just arent for everyone, if you enjoy the slugs or other stuff, use what makes you happy

[tiny pivot]

i aint even got any memes, flare ammo buff is hilarious with how much it gets talked about here

[visual panther]

Came to my +1 to the broken 1.16.2 update. Graphics resetting to low.

Requesting that the devs make a post to acknowledge this and give a timeline when we can expect a fix. Otherwise I am afraid to say that this is just poor.

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-no-idea-gif-27149353

[civic bridge]

Please make all profiles private. Too many people judging you for your kda and too many people judging you for not showing ur kda. It should not be public. People will complain about eachother and find reasons not to play as long as they are given the choice. Take that choice away

[tiny pivot]

i am actually lowkey laughing

who was the guy that posted about wanting a viking inspired hunter

and everyone complaining and downvoting the post to hell

[queen jungle]

[tiny pivot]

like why is it so hard for people to suspend their belief a little

this is literally fine

[queen jungle]

It's not an actual viking afaik.

Just larping.

[tiny pivot]

its not yeah

its just a dude and a girl larping as them

and yknow what, thats fine lmfao

the bertier marksman skin is also sexy

[queen jungle]

They look cool, so I couldn't care.

[tiny pivot]

throwing spear doing 2x the melee damage of an actual melee variant is actually mad

but guys they only cost 10 dollars more

[floral nova]

here you go
@spice flint #game-ideas message 😄

[floral nova]

heh, we were talking about vikings some weeks ago

[tiny pivot]

yes that's what i'm saying

[floral nova]

time to farm the 66BBs I lack

😄

[floral nova]

fuck I've already completed all the challenges 😐

[hot vigil]

Biggest gripe I have with their design is that they:

• Not authentic Vikings nor 1890's interpretation of Vikings
• Have Icelandic first names, but Jewish last names?
• Not Danes

[floral nova]

but they are just cosplaying

and cosplaying with creativity and their own immagination of viking aesthetics

like us today

proper viking aestetics isn't much fun

[hot vigil]

Yeah, but then they should be the 1890's interpretation of how vikings looked

[floral nova]

nah

I doubt that normal people had a viking idea

mostly unscolarized people

you just show them exotic stufff and say it's viking and they will be ok with it

like today

[hot vigil]

Around that time, Wagner's play Der Ring des Nibelungen was THE shit.

Which was a play that fused norse and germanic mythology together

And popularized the Vikings as we knew them up to the 2000's basically.

[valid mango]

https://tenor.com/view/frieza-skill-issue-gif-20518554

[floral nova]

the fuck

[tiny pivot]

honestly i tend to veer on the side of "its fine" in terms of most of hunts actual balancing

but i have no clue where they went so wrong with the spear

and we're not gonna get a nerf for it until august

why does it out melee any melee tool-ed weapon, why does it out range every other throwable, lmfao

[valid mango]

this patch is a joke

[vital fractal]

57 m? They fucked up by not using shredder, I only run normal Nitro if I know for sure I’ll be hunkering down in a small place or using it as a shotgun since it’ll one tap arms to 16m

If it was shredder that’s at/1m from the ohk limit

Also the spear one tapping at any range to any body part is kinda bs, even if it is one use since it is a tool

It’s basically at the mid range level of one slot melees but a tool

[misty python]

they have new design lead thats being a cowboy, games going down the drain fr

[vital fractal]

There’s a difference between being a cowboy and just pressing buttons

[misty python]

the pandering to whining about krag and buffing it to topdawg instead of krag being a unique trade off choice is a bad sign

[median zephyr]

bc balance was not thought about

[median zephyr]

they often listen to complaints instead of whats good for the game, ie the dolch and uppercut still being as good as they are

[misty python]

the cancerous blizzard balance, the seesaw of doom that kills your game. cause you listened to whining from each side of the community back and forth until your power crept so much you lost all consistency and original vision of the game, mmm

i dont wanna compare to their past behavior cause they have new devs, not sure when they came on

[tiny pivot]

krag is not going to be better than mosin

idk what world you are in where krag is better than spitzer mosin

[unborn sandal]

@queen jungle I’m curious what your problem with nerfing the spear is

[queen jungle]

I’m personally fine with the melee, I think a better approach for a nerf would be nerfing that drop off. It flies stupidly far right now.

[unborn sandal]

It’s almost double the damage of the next closest melee tool

That doesnt seem a little ridiculous to you?

[queen jungle]

Personally got no problem with it, ai being shredded is fine by me. As for PvP you can always bring other melee weapons that achieve the same.

Idk, I don’t have a huge problem with the spear personally, ofc others may have but that’s just me.

[unborn sandal]

It also has a massive range advantage over the other melee tools

You just win versus anything but a katana or another spear

[queen jungle]

The drop off is the only thing I’d say needs nerfing since it is stupid good in pvp.

Like flying so fast and the drop off is insane, can one tap at 60m even.

[unborn sandal]

I suggested halving the velocity

[queen jungle]

I truly wonder though if that velocity is actually accurate in game.

It feels a lot faster.

[unborn sandal]

Regardless it seems way too strong to me

You outrange shotguns

With your tool slot

And it’s not even difficult to hit like a throwing axe it flies so fast

[vital fractal]

My guy it’s a tool

It shouldn’t one tap people with a base melee unless it’s a headshot

It’s also piercing damage, which makes it’s quite decent against most of the bosses bar assassin

It has decent range, and is thrown super fast

The fact you get a TOOL melee that actively competes with 1 slot melee weapons is INSANE

[celest spruce]

Game is now unplayable and crashed for the first time since owning it after this patch. I cannot turn off Anti-Aliasing and the game is stuck with horrible grainy flickering over almost all textures. If Anti-Aliasing is set to off it just say nope and reverts. If I pushed a patch out like this at work I'd be fired immediately.

[vital fractal]

They saw all the complaints about katana being busted and decided to throw another busted melee in

[quaint cloak]

Hello brother. It's comforting to have another voice of reason on the server as we spin faster and faster towards the hole

[vital fractal]

Genuine display of Brainrot via these changes

They took the corruption lore a little too seriously

[quaint cloak]

everyone stop panicking about the viking models, they're just leftover characters from Ryse Sun uv Roam

[molten helm]

Take the stamina shot. Run. Kill the grunt. Dodge the crows. Run. Cross the river. Kill the grunt. Dodge the ducks. Kill the hive. Meatheads a bitch. Kill the grunt. Run. Dodge the crows. Run. Kill the grunt. Pick up the clue. Kill the grunt. Dodge the crows. Run. Cross the river. Kill the grunt. Dodge the ducks. Kill the hive. Meatheads a bitch. Kill the grunt. Run. Dodge the crows. Run. Kill the grunt. Run. Punch the immolator. Kill the armored. Pick up the clue. Run. Hear shots. Run. Cross the river. Kill the grunt. Kill the grunt. Run. Supply wagon. Get a bomb. Run. Kill the grunt. Run. Kill the hive. Shoot the dog kennel. Run. Pick up the clue. Run.

This is getting boring.

[celest spruce]

This update is an example of when the marketing department becomes the management at a company. Complete technical disaster.

[unborn smelt]

to be fair tho, weapon slot melee weapons are a massive joke rn.

Why would anyone pay like 40-50$ for the cheaper of the good weapons and up to 100+$ for a dedicated melee weapon, when they can also just take a primary weapon that has a powerful melee ductaped to it without suffering any downside on the primary weapon itself, and only have a bit worse stamina consumption on the actual melee part and all that for just 10$ more than the base weapon?

Functionally picking up a Riposte weapon gives you a Sabre that can only do 4 instead of 6 heavy attachs but needs no slot of it's own and only costs 10$ instead of 50.

[vital fractal]

Weapon slot melees had a purpose but then they messed them up with certain additions (cough baseball bat, spear, one slot katana cough) but it really does seem now they want people to use variants rather than dedicated melee weapons, and I don’t know why they keep pushing for loadouts that can do everything via alterations of stats, arsenal changes, weapon prices, and overall performance/balance changes

Yet at the same time they make changes that- at best have a good idea/intention- but are just fundamentally flawed in execution

Case in point, the poison changes to the Immolator

[unborn smelt]

I personally would disagree that melee weapons had purpose before tbh.

They were not quite as badly overshadowed as they are now, but even with the slight dowsides to the primaries and higher stam consumption the melee attachments made em largely redundant

If you are the guy with a melee weapon, a bayonett makes your up close ohk advantage mood because they also have that option

A shotgun usually shreds melee, and you can even get one in a tool slot rn

[vital fractal]

On PC perhaps

[unborn smelt]

Tru

[vital fractal]

But melee was always viable on console so that they had more of a role

And that’s where I come from

[unborn smelt]

I have the view of a PC player

Fair point tbh

[vital fractal]

So when they make changes to melee

It affects my population quite a bit

And it’s why I’m quite adamant on my positions on them

[unborn smelt]

Tru didn't think about the implications for console

[vital fractal]

The atrocities of the spear and 1 slot katana are just

It’s over, it’s never been more over

They literally made a full size weapon, a tool

Now they can change katana back to one slot, but now the spear exists

[unborn smelt]

I mean Hunt has survived lots of "gamekilling" aditions, but from a personal view i understand your point

On PC i think it'll make a pretty bad weapon category just a bit worse

[vital fractal]

So the sniper can run a Mosin with Sights, a quartermaster slug shotty or drilling or other amazing secondary for mid range, and a spear for one taps up close on console

[unborn smelt]

But i can see hoe it affects console a lot

[vital fractal]

I say “it’s over” for dissatisfaction, not game ruining but damn well negative

[unborn smelt]

To be fair they could do so before, hatchett is a thing

[vital fractal]

But not anywhere near as powerful, trust me I still have my gripes about that weapon despite adoring it

It’s even weirder that it’s literally better even not using the hatchet due to the solid sway

[unborn smelt]

Yeah i tend to agree

[vital fractal]

Besides the ability to run literally any med slot or even one slot to your long range and then have a reliable, long range melee OHK option is insane on console

On top of the limited instant AI killing potential that is silent

(Bar Immolator)

And it’s not even that hard to use

It’s flies fast enough you won’t dodge unless you were already moving for the most part

Like what the fuck

Public Test servers need to come back, Crytek genuinely has proven they are not capable of straight to live updates

They have lost that privilege

[unborn smelt]

I think thats an overstatement tbh.

Up close maybe, but it's still an overall slow projectile

[vital fractal]

Idk flew very fast in game

[unborn smelt]

For a thrown weapon, sure

But only as far as thrown weapon goes.

[vital fractal]

Yeah

60m

👁👁

[unborn smelt]

Yes a Bow or X-Bow is 100m/s

And slugs 400 m/s

60m/s is amazing for a thrown weapon, but you get just one try by defualt, two with Frontiersman

[vital fractal]

Yes, for a tool you get a panic button, a viable self defense melee, lowish cost, and high damage to AI… and its Ranged and viable at range

Like most tools get one, maybe two of those aspects

Even the derringer isn’t this good

Unless all you do is click heads

[unborn smelt]

The derringer is a meme

A fun one, but a meme none the less

[vital fractal]

Yeah I know, but you have the ability to skill ceiling it

This spear is just damn good out the box

[rotund obsidian]

If it was actually 60 m/s it might be fine but that thing is easily double if not triple that

[vital fractal]

And I meant “60m kill distance”

Not 60m/s lmao

Since taco is right

It feels much faster

[unborn smelt]

It should also be 60m/s iirc

Double the throwing knives or axes velocity

[vital fractal]

And even if 60 was true, I still disagree

[unborn smelt]

Iirc

[rotund obsidian]

it SHOULD be, since that's what the info page lists, but i refuse to believe it's actually 60

[vital fractal]

The spear should be a weapon as it sits

It just should

[unborn smelt]

I mean i don't disagree

[vital fractal]

And a 2 slot at that, perhaps

They could re balance it multiple ways

[signal mural]

@junior crane So are you happy with the Norse Hunters?

[vital fractal]

But as it sits, it’s a fully viable full slot weapon in a tool slot

[signal mural]

I was waiting for the new weekly challenges to try out the spear... now you all got me nervous.

[queen jungle]

Listed as yes, seems a lot faster though.

[rotund obsidian]

I would mess around and try to figure out the actual velocity myself but alas, I prestiged before i got off last session and I didn't hit 33 from playing earlier, so I can't bring it into the range myself

[signal mural]

A spear throw should be slower than axes or knives IMO

[unborn smelt]

Feelings can ve deceiving.
I think crytek should make sure it's really just 60 m/s, but personally it didn't feel faster when i used it with a bow

[rotund obsidian]

slower than throwing axes...?

no

Just from watching videos it definitely seems noticeably faster than the handcrossbow shots, which are 100m/s

[queen jungle]

For me, spear just has a ridiculous range.

[unborn smelt]

It does

[signal mural]

Velocity faster but I mean the actual wind up to throw. In game that animation is too slow IMO.

[rotund obsidian]

that's fair, then

[queen jungle]

There's no reason hitting someone in the leg with a throw should kill them at crazy distances, maybe even close.

[rotund obsidian]

The fact it doesn't break a sprint like other throwing tools is crazy

[unborn smelt]

If it only fails on leg hits but kills with arm hits it might bw fine

[rotund obsidian]

and yeah legshots just shouldnt kill at all tbh, unless they add falloff to the damage and it only does it really close up

[queen jungle]

Personally I've enjoyed the melee aspect.

Throw def needs tuning.

[unborn smelt]

But not being a OHK reliably would make it go from really good in PvP to really bad in an instant

Afterall it just has 1 try by default, two with an 8 point trait

[signal mural]

But a tool shouldn't be really good in PVP. Players shouldn't be pulling out a Tool for a PvP encounter unless it is a last resort or niche situation (or meme/challenge).

@carmine needle What do you think of the new Viking hunters?

The chic screams Berlin hipster... and the bro is Techno Viking.

[queen jungle]

@crimson elbow Went down a long rabbit hole on that rifle you posted, seems it was Minh Mạng's personally tailored/crafted revolving matchlock rifle.

https://giaoduc.net.vn/chum-anh-can-canh-bieu-tuong-suc-manh-cua-phong-kien-viet-nam-post43628.gd bottom of the page you can see more info on it.

[crimson elbow]

just saw it in a museum in vietnam 😄 and thought it looks great 😄

[queen jungle]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Nguyen_Dynasty%2C_19th-20th_Century_Swords_and_Rifles_(9735530409).jpg Clearer image too.

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message @unborn sandal YES YES YES PLEASE
I am an avid krag enjoyer and I love it and use it a lot and I hated having one of my favourite gun's personality and niche taken away

[unborn smelt]

I disagree...

[signal mural]

As is your right. Not much of a conversation starter though.

[tawny meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hulk-bruce-banner-i-see-this-as-an-absolute-win-gif-17006739

[unborn smelt]

There not much to start a convo about i think.
I don't mean it in a mean way.

I just don't think smth being a tool should mean it can't be good in PvP

[carmine needle]

Honestly, don't like em. Dunno what that hair she has is, and she's just this little scrawny elf. He's okay ish, but looks like he was plucked outta Vikings. Plus their lore is "vikings cool, we became vikings" and they just feel so very shallow.

[signal mural]

It's all good.

I guess my point wasn't that it shouldn't be good - just not 'very' good. A short spear shouldn't feel like a pocket-arbalest, ya know? It is a highly versatile "tool" - a leg or arm shot shouldn't OHK probably or else it might be better off in the 1-handed melee weapon area.

[carmine needle]

And I guess the other thing is, I am not a huge fan of this new trend of release a male/female version of every single Hunter. Instead of each Hunter feeling like their own individual now, it just feels like we're getting clones of stuff

The Morgans felt okay, redneck daughter and hex breaker were different enough that it wasn't super obvious, but it's becoming more and more noticeable

And it just feels like the characters are getting shallower and shallower as it's happening

[hot vigil]

They are very "2010's designed" they feel more modern than most other hunters.

[signal mural]

Yeah. I get what you mean. I think Prodigal Daughter's brother really took the cake in that department.

Redneck's Daughter was a great addition IMO. Hex Breaker is basically Van Heslsing IMO - more a tribute to these Weird West game types... not my thing but alright.

[carmine needle]

And I am likely a lot more biased about them because I actually really wanted Norse hunters

I really like redneck's daughter

Hexbreaker is cool but feels very out of place

[signal mural]

Yeah they are super flashy and painfully trendy.

[carmine needle]

Fragile sun is also cool. Looking, but I hate that he just randomly appeared and feels very tacked on lore wise

Prodigital son Jesus phone

[signal mural]

Who is that?

[carmine needle]

Like clearly to me he was the suits up in christchek going. Oh pragile daughter is super popular. Let's make a male version

[signal mural]

Ah kk

[hot vigil]

Actually it is more the "punk" and grittiness they have.
Which fair it us Hunt, it it is gritty. But think Hayali is a good example on how you can do that.

[carmine needle]

Sorry voice to text because I'm driving

[hot vigil]

Vikings clothing were more colorful and well... had shirts

[carmine needle]

In my head, the way that they were going to get added was that they were descendants of Vikings, not actually Vikings themselves

[signal mural]

Yeah the beserker bare chest is a bit looney...

[carmine needle]

And thus wear appropriate clothing but had stuff that Mark them as coming from Vikings

Akin to witchunter

[hot vigil]

Yes/no, like we have a name of one of the siblings which is Icelandic first name and... Jewish last name???

[hot vigil]

And the harness to hold his drinking horn on the back lmao
Fucking silly, but I kinda love that

[carmine needle]

Idk. I'm not gonna get them. I can't speak to why they named them and designed them as they did

The harness doesn't bother me

Half the hunters have chest harnesses

Bro just put his horn on it

[signal mural]

Yeah that they both have drinking horns and decal axes 😂

[carmine needle]

Which I'm fine with! I own a drinking horn lol

[signal mural]

But no BB throwing axes?! Blasphemy

[carmine needle]

But like

EXACTLY

At least give me an axe of some kind

Or a seaxe knife

[hot vigil]

Also there is no proof that vikings did tattoos, so this just make them look like neo-nXzXs

[signal mural]

And the runic spear no being in there... instead a Bertie Marks skin(cool skin though,)

[signal mural]

I tried to warn about it

[carmine needle]

I don't mind the tattoos

They don't have the same kind of issues over in Europe that we have with nor stuff being appropriated

[hot vigil]

Yeah kinda feel samey in that regard, but also a away to budget it guess that might be why we get more pairs.

[signal mural]

Thst straw yellow hair... mostly bad head camo too

[hot vigil]

Yeah me neither, just.. in Denmark the types that get into viking (reenactment) and viking tattoos are either larpers or well... the neo-n

And you see that too in Germany, Sweden, Finland and Poland to mention a few.

Ofc not gonna let scums of the earth take my heritage away like that.

Just what they look like to me haha

[signal mural]

I don't think it is much different over the ocean.

[hot vigil]

True, but guess it hits closer due me being a Dane and well.. recent nordic/Europe political trends

But this is all external and not valid critism for the skins of Hunt :)

[carmine needle]

Fair. I have less issue with the tats as I do with her hair and just overall look

[hot vigil]

Would get the girl one if it weren't for the neck pelt hahaha

[carmine needle]

But again, I wanted so badly to get a "witchhunter" Norse hunter and that's what I got so

😦

[signal mural]

Fully agree.

[steel comet]

I'm Swedish and seeing runes on them was unexpected

this is 1895 after all

[signal mural]

Honestly, a cultisty Nordic shaman/witch could have been cool... like Bjork's hexe from 'Northman'

[hot vigil]

Would like a vølver which is like... a witch? Kinda like a magical/spiritual medium but like no necessary like a priest.

[hot vigil]

Lmao great minds!

[steel comet]

Would be cooler to see a more fit nordic representation than viking cosplayers

Even a sami hunter would be unexpected, they are not well known

[carmine needle]

I had a fairly clear image of what I was hoping for in my head, and she looks like a dirty hobo to me (no offense meant)

[hot vigil]

And for once a Dane :(((((
It is always Norwary, Iceland, sometimes Sweden, never Denmark haha

[carmine needle]

Oh that would have been cool

[steel comet]

To be fair, norway gets almost all viking attention

[steel comet]

wait that's probably not what you meant

yeah I agree if its outside vikings

[signal mural]

Since I knew Alpa wanted a strong female, I couldn't help but laugh at the chest thumping from the twig armed girl

[carmine needle]

Yeappppp

[steel comet]

Denmark tends to get forgotten when they include nordic

[carmine needle]

I saw her and went 😦

Those little arms

She's not out here working

[hot vigil]

Which is ironic bc 80% of most Viking records is Danish.

[carmine needle]

I'm holding out hope for the Twins

Who are blacksmiths

And should be built like brick walls

[hot vigil]

Also not making a Hugin/Mugin Hunter pair, each missing an eye

Missed

Opportunity

[steel comet]

I wanna see a sami hunter with reindeer horn drip

[carmine needle]

We've got 2 sets of birbs

[steel comet]

They'd stick out with their blue/red outfit

[carmine needle]

I want this now too

Don't care

Gimme

That's the culture that was in Clause, right?

[hot vigil]

Also spanish/Portuguese would be cool
Tho not sure if Sophia is Spanish, Spanish/American or Mexican.

[carmine needle]

Claus

[hot vigil]

Pretty sure she ain't Mexican

[carmine needle]

Great movie

[steel comet]

Claus?

[carmine needle]

Smalls would know

hold on lemme find it

[steel comet]

Carter is mainland spanish

Portuguese would be cool

[carmine needle]

Super cute movie. Anyway

Klaus

[hot vigil]

Also the new Mexican looks cooooool! Tho maybe a little stereotypical???

[carmine needle]

Yeah! He's neat

[steel comet]

@hot vigil it's always norway

[carmine needle]

Hopefully he pops back up

[steel comet]

hehe

[hot vigil]

I'll let my Mexican friend judge if he is offensive lmao

[steel comet]

Anyway, yeah seems to have sami representation

[hot vigil]

Tbf they have mountains

[steel comet]

so do we

People think sweden is flat when it isn't

[hot vigil]

Guess they have more

[steel comet]

Not necessarily

norway is a smaller country

[carmine needle]

There are mountains there

Why would they think that

[hot vigil]

Honestly, as a Dane, Sweden is more interesting when it comes to geographic

[steel comet]

Finland is like Sweden without mountains

in geographic

or biome?

I'll pick an older photo cause they would wear more fur clothing

Most things they craft is made out of fur, reindeer horns and simple wood

[remote ore]

there are actually historical proofs of that

[hot vigil]

It is highly disputed

We have no manuals about tattooing nor (ofc) no skin have survived with tattoos.
Aaaaand we haven't found tools that indicate they did tattooing

[signal mural]

Was it just a fluke that the one guy got him while Prestiging?

[carmine needle]

no clue

[remote ore]

there is at least a testimony from a muslim traveler who wrote that"Each man has an axe, a sword, and a knife and keeps each by him at all times. The swords are broad and grooved, of Frankish sort. Every man is tattooed from fingernails to neck with dark green (or green or blue-black) trees, figures, etc."

[carmine needle]

I am just orange

lol

[remote ore]

• tatoos were common in pre-modern Europe so there is that

[hot vigil]

One statement I hardly evidence.
Besides same text is disputed if he means tattoos or painted

[remote ore]

it's not hard evidence indeed, but it's not nothing

[hot vigil]

Bc we know Vikings did body paints

[remote ore]

well we can assume that hunt skins are body paints too :)

doesn't really matter

[hoary widget]

Hugin but he forgor

[hot vigil]

Ofc not, but still doesn't diminish the fact that the Vikings we got in Hunt are very "pop" or contemporary designed.

[hoary widget]

Of was it muninn that means memory lol i forgor now

[hot vigil]

Huhu - Thought, Mumu - Memory

or mind

[hoary widget]

Muninn hunter but the lore is he's an amnesiac

Hire me

[hoary widget]

What matters is the design is not original

Not just the tattoo but the hunters in general

Im kind of tired of seeing unga bunga cosplayers being put as vikings

[remote ore]

what kind of design did you expect or want ?

[hoary widget]

Like an actual norseman at the very least

[remote ore]

wouldn't that be even less original?

it's a game, so it's also a product of our pop culture

literally

[hoary widget]

Give me example of a videogame where they actually portray an actual viking besides the odd niche indie rts

Also pop culture my ass if they can portray chinese and japanese properly and period accurate then why are vikings (or just scandinavians) relegated to this stupid pop culture design??

[remote ore]

I've not been playing a lot of games portraying vikings tbh

not my kink

[hoary widget]

That vikings TV show has irrepairably damaged the image of vikings ffs

[remote ore]

but when I was a kid, I played this:

does it count? :D

[hot vigil]

Issue I find are they look like they could be a protag in AssAss Valhalla.

[hoary widget]

🤢

[hot vigil]

Even tho I will give that that character have more "right things" going on for him as Viking lol

[hoary widget]

No but this game is epic

Leather armor that was never worn : (

[remote ore]

Skyrim lore and characters are a bit viking-ish inspired, even if it's happening in Tamriel and not on Earth haha

[hoary widget]

The Ronin vs the Vikings is a hilarious juxtaposition btw

The Ronin wears a period accurate Haori but the "Viking" woman isn't even wearing a Hangeroc : (

Or just anything from the period

Also give me a Ronin hunter with a straw hat crytek thanks 🙂

[signal mural]

But they're not time traveling period accurate Vikings... Or is this all just another one of Loki's tricks?!

[signal mural]

Dead Blessing has it.

[hoary widget]

Not a ronin, she's chinese and she's not wearing it.

[signal mural]

Yeah, but she has it.

[jagged wagon]

The game is set in Louisiana in 1895, not in Northern Europe in 1066. These are Scandinavians not Vikings. Maybe not even that, the female hunter has a German/Austrian surname.

[hoary widget]

I've recently been playing a game called Rise of the Ronin which takes place during the 1850's where your characters outfits are a mix between japanese and american, super sick, add a hunter with that kind of look

[hoary widget]

Her last name is of jewish origin as someone stated yesterday

[signal mural]

I think I saw her in Berghain last weekend.

Anyway - now that Twitch drops are coming again - who is everyone hoping to pull from their lotto?
The new Viking hunters are the cheapest BBs Hunter left for me... so I dread one of them might get picked. Otherwise Hornback or Private Eye seems likely in my case... but my wish would probably be Coal Bearer or the Scarecrow. What about y'all?

[hot vigil]

Sure, but they are not even accurate to how the Vikings were depicted in the 1890's

[signal mural]

Thankfully not as well 😂

[hot vigil]

Wagner had just released the opera Der Ring des Nibelungen that brough forth a whole new mythology of Norse gods and Germanic myths and was the springboard for how Vikings have been depicted up until 2000's.

And that is what is weird, bc Scaramuccia is a great example of fusing old (The clown Scaramuccia) and make it Hunt..

[signal mural]

Now... if they were x-opera singers dressed in "Viking" garb... The compatriots of the Phantom & the 3-faced Comedy of Death dude... There he is...

Then we would have a true looney bin Pact forming

Is the Valquero facially scarred? There was some pic on the update banner with a Hunter that looked like the guy from ,'Machete'.

[carmine needle]

looks like it

I've said this a few time now lol, but I really wanted them to be Descendents of Vikings, but not actual vikings. Just as Witch Hunter comes from a long line of, well, witch hunters, it would have been cool to have some norse hunters that came from a line of Vikings, but are still period accurate/hunt fitting. Hell, could have even made them Berserker origin, and take some hella drugs before entering the swamps. But they just.... he looks like he was yoinked outta Vikings the show, and she looks like she decided to wear a mop as a wig, and has never done any kinda arm related work in her life. I just... I'm really disappointed

[steel comet]

Dont take this the wrong way, Vikings is a sensitive subject and is very misrepresented locally thanks to extremists in politics.
Most nordics come from a line of vikings.. not many people wanted to move here cause Scandinavia had a lot of great famish, way way more common for the people to leave their country.
It's still a long time ago and Christianity pretty much took over all old traditions except for Yule (stretching it) maybe midsummer and valborg? (Also stretching it)

Realistically Iceland is probably closest since they try to modernise old Norse I guess?

But I can't really see how old traditions would survive thanks to how big the church was and influential

[hoary widget]

Thats true

Vikings didnt make a big resurgence until the early 2000's in terms of "culture"

[ripe basalt]

If you want to call it that

[hoary widget]

Hence the quotation marks

[steel comet]

I pretty much agree with what mccree said before

I see him here

Not sure if Denmark had the same history when it comes to famish but Norway Sweden shared it and Baltic region

[hoary widget]

My knowledge of vikings is mostly from trying to read any text that survived and most of the stuff described in archeological findings. I know more about shit like Japan.

If that wasn't obvious lol

[steel comet]

That's the probem with viking history. The text is hard to distinguish from fiction and reality.

As well

[hoary widget]

I also agree with what McCree said, he put it better into words than i could.

[steel comet]

There's a lot of runes that are saved in Sweden

[ripe basalt]

For those who are curious, historical painting of vikings isn't nearly as fanciful

[steel comet]

But they might as well all be sagas

[hot vigil]

I mean when Harald Klak converted to Christianity he did give the remaining Danes/Swedes/Norwegian Norse believer the option to move to Iceland to be Norse in peace.
Until about 40 years where the successor Svend Tveskæg and Iceland chieftain Leif Erikson agreed to convert Iceland to Christianity too and everyone hated that

[ripe basalt]

For a more specific example

[steel comet]

I was taught that the Swedish vikings were split. Half didn't care and the other half were Norse believers but I barely remember this stuff honestly.

[hot vigil]

This is a good one from 1066

[steel comet]

I like it

We did viking studies at like 11 year old

And then you could pick extra in gymnasium

[ripe basalt]

Well it doesn't help they weren't a unified group of people

[steel comet]

16-19

[ripe basalt]

The term "viking" is extremely vague

[hot vigil]

Yeah, there were a schism in all of Scandinavia, while Harald mostly converted due to the political aspect of (now) Germany being strong, they aslo got a free visa to raid all of the baltics in the name of the crusade :V

[hot vigil]

Yeah Viking is more of a profession than a people, but in modern context it is fine to call them "The Vikings" as it quite encompas the religion and culture.

[steel comet]

I mean we use different words altogether.
Asatron, and vikingatågen represents raids and trade

[hot vigil]

Guess it is a classic language barrier thing of the Saxon asking "who are you?" and the Norsemen answering "Vikings" aka here to plunder :p

[ripe basalt]

I was going to correct myself. We use the term vaguely today to encompass the northern religions as "Vikings". Instead of it's slightly more specific historical reference

[steel comet]

We call anything about their religion for asatron in Swedish.

And we distinguish the modern version that gotten popular lately

Which is also commonly just political

I was taught in school though that Sweden got converted last

I'm sure there are different theories in Denmark

[ripe basalt]

Tons of Polytheism, spiritualism, druidism all encompassing the Northern region prior to Monotheism's spread

All of this is lumped into the "Viking" basket

[hot vigil]

Naw seems about right, maybe Norwegians were later but that is semantics.
Or well, I'm 99% sure Iceland were the last to convert.

[ripe basalt]

But regardless, it's the fanciful imagination of the viking, the skin I mean

[hot vigil]

But also it is a case of "what the king decreed and how long it took into action".
Bc the Danish royalty couldn't give an arse about what some Norwegians/Swedes really did due to being so far away from the reign of power.

[steel comet]

It's hard not to cringe whenever I see old Norse (runes) in online gaming/Discords.

💀

[ripe basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/bluetooth-sync-wireless-connection-gif-16529831

[hot vigil]

Eh, I have plenty of well adjusted friends that does LARPing and Viking re-enactment, so it doesn't affect me that badly :V

[steel comet]

Blåtand after harald

It's a big historical event so it's an appropriate name tbh

[steel comet]

I can't say the same sadly. The people I meet larping is heavily right wing

The Viking settlement stuff is not that way though.

Idk what to call it

[hot vigil]

We luckily had 10 years of "LARPing" going woke and LUCKILY the right wingers lost that one :p

[signal mural]

LARP has a mix bag usually... Historical reenactment troupes are verging deeper into troubled territories.

[steel comet]

Danish W there

[vital fractal]

I LARP as a grog everyday, it’s all I know

[visual panther]

Thanks for sharing but why did it take soooo long for that post to come out? @sharp veldt

[sharp veldt]

Because I had to do my due diligence first.

[visual panther]

oh I figured it was an issue that was affecting everyone judging by people posting about everywhere

[deep finch]

i wish i was a lucky, unaffected hunter. 😩 thankfully the pinned post in troubleshooting helped some of it. damn, i wonder what the % of users is tho. outta curiosity. 😅

[flat sandal]

#feedback message @thin remnant somebody trying to remove their burn mark? 😉

[hot vigil]

@vernal canyon I am very interested in your crosshair idea.
I could argue "it would make the game less hardcore", but then again, we have death scream, hit markers and headshot sounds to begin with, so it wouldn't really change a lot I guess.

[unborn smelt]

The point i think is that the gamedesign wants you to have to listen to such sounds and sometimes not have very clear information if you got a kill or not.

Thats for example why daily missions like "kill X hunters with Y thing" or "deal X damage to hunters with Y thing" are not shown in real time ingame

[unborn dagger]

So why not just give a random percentage? We already know if we hit them from a hit marker.

[flat sandal]

#game-ideas message
not sure if trolling

[hot vigil]

Sure, but there is already A LOT of help to confirm kills (as I said hit marker, death + headshot sound), so you could argue this is just a slight help for people with hearing impairment..

[flat sandal]

what's so dam bad about the spear that so many ppl loose their shit over it. Just have some fun with it while it lasts. Or is it one of these things that completely break the game and I just happen to be fully spared through some ultra weird coincidence?

[queen jungle]

Main complaint I've seen is that it outshines all other melee weapons and tools.

Personally, I love the damn thing.

It's so fun.

[flat sandal]

melee tools sure have a hard time this patch

I'm here for it^^

it's not like it didn't get boring to carry one in tool slot 1 in 95% of all builds

[chilly nova]

@analog sigil
#bug-reports-pc message

That's the same bug that's been in the game for throwing axes since they released the throwing axe. I keep reporting it and they still haven't fixed it. Sheesh.

My throwing axe crosshairs disappear randomly for an entire match, and don't come back until the next match.

I don't expect them to ever fix it at this point, tbh.

@wraith crag
#bug-reports-pc message

Yup. Maybe they'll fix the throwing axe crosshairs too now that others are finally reporting this about the spear.

[half stag]

@weary fox actually, Berthier still has a place, albeit its not well known to almost everyone. Prob, why they felt comfortable to buff it to 125+. Here's a video that explains it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB_4h3sPr1A&t=36s

TLDR: 130+ damage weapons can afford to be sloppy with their shots and still double tap anywhere and one tap people with 100 hp to the lower chest. 125 to 129 damage weapons cannot do that, even if they meet the 125 damage breakpoint to onetap people downed once to the upper chest.

[hot vigil]

I mean, pre-spear you had (for boss killing):

• Bomblance
• Melee Variants
• Sticky Bomb
• Big Dynamite (if you are a mad-lad)
• Posion ammo

Post-Spear you have basically just spear,, it simply just does so much, good PvE killing, good boss killling, good PvP Melee AND can thrown to 1-tap hecking leg shots.

And yes yadda yadda just don't use it, but that is simply coping over the fact of how strong it is :p

[hot vigil]

It something the Berth can do up to 41m and honestly, most people hit their upper-chest shots quite consistently.
Sure it is something Berth "can do" that Krag "can't", but it sucha edge case and would be more relevant if it was arm shots imo.

Maaaaaaybe if the game had bullet drop???

[steel comet]

Arm shots are quite common. Take a closer look whenever you take damage.

People wouldn't play long ammo if they only hit upper torso. Medium ammo is enough, no?

[hot vigil]

Read what I wrote :)

[steel comet]

I disagree with consistent upper chest shots

Even really good players have tagged my arms quite frequently and I'm not a dodge/movenent master.

[rotund obsidian]

Pretty sure he was saying they hit upper chest instead of lower chest, armshots are a whole different thing

because the lower-chest 100 breakpoint is what they were talking about

[half stag]

this

[thin remnant]

Can you even send feedback while burned????

I was just thinking about how unique hunt is lol

#game-ideas message @hoary widget so you want to add dashing into hunt???

People would just use the Saber for crazy movement that would not fit into this game

[empty oasis]

@tiny salmon #game-ideas message
This is already how t knives and axes work

[hot vigil]

@river zephyr This would the best way to make a tool-slot spear :V

[queen jungle]

You also don't need assailant for spear.

[signal mural]

Yeah, that's what I was guessing it was before the reveal. I'm still relieved that it's not a blowgun.

[thin remnant]

not in gunslinger, i think

[river zephyr]

I've suggested this before as well. I think I specifically suggested an atl-atl. I figure if they really want to keep it.to hand thrown tools without the atl-atl mechanism then jarids are more suitable.

[thin remnant]

they also didnt claim you needed assailant for spear

[empty oasis]

Eww, gunslinger

[thin remnant]

hunt isnt the only videogame ive ever played thank you very much

[hot vigil]

I was also coping/hoping for this. It would also be really "original" take on spears in a video games.

[thin remnant]

i dont want to reprogram my muscle memory, i would rather just hold q

[empty oasis]

Thats nice. It's still gross in Hunt imo

[thin remnant]

y

[empty oasis]

Blocks too much of the screen constantly, hinders melee (which you use way more than shooting), can give you away through wall clipping, and ruins the original intended feel of the game

"but you can lower your weapon in gs" Sure, or I could just use hunter and not have to worry about it
"But its faster for hipfire" Not really and Ive never once died in 4k hrs because i couldnt get my gun up in time
"But You have to hold more buttons" The learning curve is steeper, sure, but compared to all the other learning curves in this game its negligible

Plus I really hate how the hunters look running around with the guns shouldered with gs. It looks goofy af

[thin remnant]

fair

i have really weak fingers so yeah lol

i use toggle sprint and toggle ads cause i cant be bothered to hold more than i have to

[hot vigil]

The faster hipfire/ADS was removed a while back.
But yeah there used to be up/downsides to the two stances.

[empty oasis]

Thats . . . I dont even know how to respond to that. Toggle ads is the 2nd thing I turn off in any game I play (1st being lowered music because devs apparently think everyone is deaf)

[thin remnant]

cause your fingers arent made of glass

i aim better with it loooll

i use it in every game i play except movement shooters

movement shooters i prefer the fast aim and un-aim of hold ads

[empty oasis]

The usual argument I see is that gs is faster because your gun is already up and you dont have to hit RMB but Ive never noticed an impactful delay

[thin remnant]

gun clipping shouldnt even be an issue haha

surprised they havent fixed it yet

same with clothes clipping

[empty oasis]

If hitting rmb is what got you killed, chances are you werent going to win that fight to begin with

[hot vigil]

Yeah, but just to say on a gameplay level there is no difference.
But ofc the combination of SHIFT + M2 might take longer than from Gunslinger.

[thin remnant]

my only real argument is feel

it feels better for me

which is subjective

[empty oasis]

I dont even see that being an issue anymore since you can turn on sprint to ads. Otherwise you just hit shift+mb at the same time and theres no delay

[thin remnant]

but thats more inputs

😦

me want aim, me want click head

no more

more too complicated

[hot vigil]

Exactly :>

[hot vigil]

Honestly after I got used to it (took me like... 5-10 hours), I kinda want that to be the standard for hardcore shooters.

[thin remnant]

is hunt hardcore

im more of a casual player myself

[empty oasis]

Id argue that Hunter is less complicated since you dont have to shift either hand's finger placement and theres no searching for the V for melee

[thin remnant]

how often do you melee with your gun

be honest

[empty oasis]

Constantly. I take knife so use the gun for immos

[thin remnant]

actual melee weapons still have click to melee in gunslinger

just not throwables

youre fighting immos constantly?

damn

[hot vigil]

Well, it arguably less hardcore nowadays. But gameplay used to be slower... or well, until people realize how fast it could be, so devs nerfed the speed again and now we ramping up in speed again lol

[thin remnant]

yeah i remember when it was more tactical

now its all hya weebu slash dolch spam pew pew pew

remember when light tools were actually decent because of the low visibility?

[empty oasis]

Immo's, single grunts, lone hives I use the rifle butt for all of them
Plus I prestige constantly and need the weapon xp

[hot vigil]

I mean... dolch used to be MUCH stronger lol.
And movement MUCH faster.
First it was ADADADAD meta, then it was crouch spam meta and now it is jump strafing meta.

[thin remnant]

remember when you could lean

people just went back and forth like rainbow six siege lol

[gaslighting, this was not real]

[hot vigil]

Lmao

[thin remnant]

yeah it was funny lol

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message @steel shoal awesome idea

would need to be implemented carefully, but awesome

[steel shoal]

Appreciate it!

[snow cipher]

I agree 100%, it would need to be very carefully implemented, but I do not feel as attached to my hunters as I did when I first started the game, would love a reason to care about them more again

[weary fox]

Thanks for this bro. I didn't know

[vital drum]

@weary fox @sullen wraith @hybrid forum @paper belfry @sonic swan @paper belfry @river zephyr @acoustic edge

Your posts have been removed from the #game-ideas channel, as they were feedback posts. Please use the #feedback channel in the future. Shoot me a DM if you'd like to receive text of your messages to repost them in the correct channel.

[vital drum]

@thick sluice Please keep bug reports in the appropriate section.

[thick sluice]

My bad. Got em mixed

[flat sandal]

yeah, was just messing with you 😄

[thin remnant]

o

[flat sandal]

also, idk

@thin remnant also, I think a guarateed burn trait for rotjar would be cool

maybe even guaranteed death cheat

[thin remnant]

maybe

[flat sandal]

one of these suggestions I don't understand downvotes for.

what are you thinking as incentive?

[thin remnant]

make it drop 2 bounties instead of one, guaranteed burn trait,

make it easier to kill even

it drops one bounty right?

[flat sandal]

yeah

[thin remnant]

yeah well thats a start

2 bounties, burn trait,

[flat sandal]

easier to kill might be a good idea, or it being partcularily siceptible to something one can bring to farm it quick

[thin remnant]

could make it drop loot like scrappy but thats kinda venturing into changing its whole design

[flat sandal]

it's too risky often times

[thin remnant]

yuh

out in the open

in water

needs to be worth it

[flat sandal]

I never even consider doing it even when everyone is dead already

[thin remnant]

it came with the latest downdate, just wait for them to fix it

[winged skiff]

Yeah, its super annoying, should be a priority fix for them

[tribal wyvern]

I see what you did there, eehehehe.
For real tho, their QA is absolutely horrible lately.

Was it ever this bad 2+ years ago ?
Feels like every patch just completly breaks the game.

[thin remnant]

Crytek does have a reputation for this lol

[proven root]

are texture still shit`after update?

didnt play since

[crimson mirage]

yes !! playing one game

and i will shutdown aafter - it sucks so much

[storm vigil]

no not the textyre but everytime i bootup the game settigns are on low since update

[crimson mirage]

not only that...if you make it on high textures are still shitty, blurry and not fully loaded

feels like a beta game for real.

[dusky tapir]

don't do it from the options menu

!graphics

[marsh garden]

To help with the recent graphical issues you can use these Steam launch options:
+sys_spec_effects = 3 +sys_spec_light = 3 +sys_spec_object = 3 +sys_spec_particle = 3 +sys_spec_postprocess = 3 +sys_spec_shadow = 3 +sys_spec_texture = 3 +sys_spec_texturefiltering = 6
1 = Low | 2 = Medium | 3 = High, for texture filtering 6 = 16x

Steam launch options are accessible by right clicking the game in your library and choosing properties.

Please note that this will not fix all of the issues such as blurry textures, but it should help alleviate most of them.

[dusky tapir]

hotfix in the works #general-announcements

[hybrid forum]

You mean, in the Iron Works?

[vital drum]

!graphics @shrewd nimbus

[marsh garden]

To help with the recent graphical issues you can use these Steam launch options:
+sys_spec_effects = 3 +sys_spec_light = 3 +sys_spec_object = 3 +sys_spec_particle = 3 +sys_spec_postprocess = 3 +sys_spec_shadow = 3 +sys_spec_texture = 3 +sys_spec_texturefiltering = 6
1 = Low | 2 = Medium | 3 = High, for texture filtering 6 = 16x

Steam launch options are accessible by right clicking the game in your library and choosing properties.

Please note that this will not fix all of the issues such as blurry textures, but it should help alleviate most of them.

[vital drum]

It's a known issue with the update

[vital fractal]

We gotta find out how they are choosing what updates to release and what changes to make

Something’s wrong with it

[autumn grotto]

Does Crytek do any QA before they release?

[crystal plume]

A lot, but people don't seem to be entirely aware of what QA testers actually do

QA testers find issues and reproduction steps for them, they do not go into the code or animations or such to fix them. They also do not decide what gets fixed and when

They're just one cog of a giant machine and it's pointless to try and point at a single cog to blame with so many things that can go wrong

Shit broke, it happens, we'll manage

[vital fractal]

“It happens”

Issue is

It happens… consistently

Whoever is deciding things, is clearly not doing so with enjoyment of the product in mind

[unborn sandal]

The QA testers are probably suits that have little experience with the community and gameplay

Mainly to make sure it’s not bugged

Not checking if it’s balanced

[crystal plume]

Somewhat disrespectful to the QA testers that I know have been working for Crytek for years already 😄 They definitely know the game(s) and community of what they are working on, it's again just not up to them to decide balance either

They can say that something is unbalanced, but it's not up to them to decide the final numbers for damage values or such

Could we just simply stop pointing fingers already, they are all human beings and all the "I bet this department did this and didn't do that" is simply disrespectful to them and doesn't help with anything

[unborn sandal]

I suppose

This spear is really pissing me off though

Idk how they though it was balanced

[autumn grotto]

Why do you think it’s unbalanced?

I’m curious, I’ve barely used it so far

[crystal plume]

I personally don't think that it's that bad, a bit overtuned maybe but I don't agree with people thinking that it's OP or such

[unborn sandal]

Below 50 meters more than half my deaths have been by spear since it came out

I’ve also gotten tons of kills with it that are complete bs

[autumn grotto]

I played like 3 hours earlier and I didn’t see a single person using it

[lean estuary]

Yeah the banging pitchforks is pointless, breaks can happen at any point

[unborn sandal]

Nothing involving it feels deserved

Both getting kills with it and being killed by it

[thin remnant]

sometimes the throw kills can feel deserved

but i think the damage is way overtuned

[lean estuary]

I gotta try out this uber spear

[thin remnant]

its a better pocket nitro [exaggeration]

tone down the velocity, melee attack speed and limb shots, maybe even make it so throwing consumes all stamina and you cant throw with no stamina, idk

if its possible to implement, im still on the side of just making it into a one slot weapon and maybe changing it so it doesnt overshadow cavalry sabre n stuff
although id rather buff the other melees probably

cause spear as it is is fun af itd be a shame to nerf it too much

[unborn sandal]

Also beyond being bs in pvp it does almost the same damage as the katana in a tool slot when the next closest tool slot melee doesn’t even do 150 damage

[crystal plume]

I'd honestly start with just reducing damage, my worry with reducing muzzle velocity is making it feel worse to use like using tomahawk to throw spades/pitchforks

[unborn sandal]

so there’s no reason to ever run a melee weapon again

[thin remnant]

yeah

being able to snipe someone to the foot across the map is too much

would it be possible to give it limb pen?

[crystal plume]

I wish

[thin remnant]

damn does that code only work with bullets

[crystal plume]

While also giving the same treatment to arrows and bolts

I mean I don't know if there's anything stopping them from adding it to projectiles as well

[thin remnant]

wait

do no penetration special ammo types like dumdum get limb pen?

i assume yes

[crystal plume]

Mostly a question with how to deal with the fact that they stick to hunters I guess

They do yeah

[thin remnant]

slightly unrelated, i dont think ai bodies should despawn so quickly after having something stuck in it

[crystal plume]

They'd either have to have it go through arms and stick to the body or stick to arms but still deal torso damage

[empty oasis]

Whoa now, lets not get crazy. How would an arrow that can almost go through someone be able to pierce an arm?

[thin remnant]

it makes your projectile unrealistically harder to find

when in reality you could just look for the body

[thin remnant]

the latter i think

[crystal plume]

I genuinely do not care a single bit about the realism aspect to be honest I'm already tired of it being brought up so often with the spear since patch

[thin remnant]

i think they were being sarcastic

[crystal plume]

Gameplay is more important always, and hitting someone with the bow while they are aiming at you and hitting their arms because of that just sucks

[thin remnant]

i agree with this fully

its not like bow and xbow are crazy meta anyway

so that wouldnt break the game

[empty oasis]

Sorry, the joking doesnt come through as well in text. I never understood why xbow/bow didnt have limb pen from the get go

[thin remnant]

agree

[crystal plume]

Ahh gotcha

[thin remnant]

honestly limb pen is the most genious mechanic ever

[crystal plume]

Yeah I assume it's mainly due to the aspect of them sticking to surfaces

[thin remnant]

i almost wish everything had it

[crystal plume]

I still have nightmares of early Hunt with no limbpen and machete melee animation covering your chest perfectly with your arms essentially working as a bullet vest

[thin remnant]

lmao

bring that back

machete needs the love

[crystal plume]

I made this back in 2019 as a meme suggestion

I called it ARMor

[thin remnant]

cool

isnt machete overshadowed by heavy knife btw
and every single other melee

correct me if im wrong

[crystal plume]

I guess to some degree

I think both kinda such tbh

Swipe based melee attacks have a rare chance to break if you are hitting something next to a wall or an object, causing it to absorb the hit

So I just stick to anything that stabs or such to play it safe

[blissful jackal]

65 hunt dollar very fast projectile that 1shots no matter where it hits that you can throw while sprinting and jumping that is also a tool

[autumn grotto]

Yeah true. Hopefully they nerf it

[blissful jackal]

my favorite part is they nerfed melee weapon damage of other tools and made world spawn melees spawn less to making killing boss slower and then release spear that kills meatheads in 4 throws and bosses in like 15 seconds

[autumn grotto]

Gotta love it lmfao

[unborn sandal]

Kills meatheads in 3 with the pullout damage

Also protip for prestigers 3 spear throws and 2 pullouts leaves meatheads one shot to any weapon

[autumn grotto]

Good to know

I’ve been thinking about prestiging just for the fuck of it, not that it gives you much of anything

Might make the game interesting for a bit

[vital fractal]

I mean, someone is responsible for these consistent bad changes

We just don’t know who/whom

And in the 0.000000001% chance they see this

[autumn grotto]

Honestly trying to speculate at this point is just a waste of time

[vital fractal]

I need them to know

[autumn grotto]

They’ll fix it and then we’ll see how future changes go

[vital fractal]

It was a bad idea

[vital fractal]

Hopeful thinking

[autumn grotto]

I think they got the point lol

That’s all I’ve got at this point

[vital fractal]

It is

Hope

What a dangerous thing

[thin remnant]

this last update was 50% good 50% bad

[vital fractal]

50:50? Lmao try like 30:70

[thin remnant]

yeah

[autumn grotto]

If they fuck up the engine upgrade lol

[thin remnant]

making weak shots inject faster? good

krag damage buff? horrible

spear balance? horrible

immolator buff? eh

krag ammo buff? good

[unborn sandal]

Graphics bug? Horrible

[vital fractal]

Just completely unasked for items + some mild acceptable terms

I get the spear

It’s been asked for

[thin remnant]

spear is good

just way too op

[vital fractal]

For some horrible reason

But

It’s been asked for

[thin remnant]

i like the addition of spear

but its not balanced

[vital fractal]

But the implementation

[thin remnant]

yeah this

[unborn sandal]

I would like it if it were balanced

[vital fractal]

They just absolutely diarrhea’d the bed

Like it’s on the floor, the rug, the fan

[autumn grotto]

The graphic bug is quite surprising imho. That’s the thing that I was most surprised about getting through QA. Other weapon balancing issues are not really a QA thing

[unborn sandal]

Having spear goblins around every corner in a compound is not fun

Even if you kill them you’re probably gonna trade

[thin remnant]

my dog stepped on a bee ugh

[autumn grotto]

Almost certainly

[vital fractal]

Yikes

But like

The balancing for this game

Is just non-existant anymore if we go by the updates that come out

[unborn sandal]

You missed the reference

[vital fractal]

There’s no consideration for consistency or niche

[vital fractal]

I did 😦

[thin remnant]

i want more trauma variants

[vital fractal]

Just no consistency or consideration to balance just literally

“This sounds good on paper, add it” or even “this sounds like an idea add it to live now”

[unborn sandal]

Marathon trauma

[thin remnant]

i dont think the concept of the idea is the problem, just how its implemented

spear is literally better than bomblance in 50% of situations

[vital fractal]

I’m saying it’s that they get an idea and don’t consider the implications of its addition to the game

[vital fractal]

Yeah

[thin remnant]

also bomb lance shouldnt be so hard countered by bulwark

[vital fractal]

I used to like Fifield using events to push the boundaries of testing things

But considering how it’s done, I don’t like that approach anymore

[thin remnant]

make it so bulwarkers can only survive a bomblance bolt if they regen shot and vigor or something like that

after the inital hit

[unborn sandal]

It should do 149 damage with bulwark on

[vital fractal]

Disagree hard

[thin remnant]

nah, just enough so they only survive if they have healing

[vital fractal]

You want PvP with an ammo on bomblance, use the PvP ammos

[thin remnant]

but thats basically another weapon

its like how you play rival slugs completely different to rival flechette

just because you have one thats good doesnt mean another should be bad and its "balanced"

[unborn sandal]

Oh yeah that reminds me they nerfed Flechette

[vital fractal]

Its not another weapon, its another use style like you stated- the bombs are utility, use them like utility

[unborn sandal]

I’m not sure how I feel about it

[thin remnant]

having a 3 slot weapon thats only really good for pve is bad balancing

[vital fractal]

It’s not

It’s an amazing melee

Well, before the spear

🗿

[thin remnant]

eh im not changing my mind lol

[vital fractal]

Flechette nerf was fucking wild

[thin remnant]

bulwark literally makes base ammo bomblance almost useless

[vital fractal]

The dum dum was good but flechette? Tf

[vital fractal]

In PvP, not PvE where it’s the Goat

[thin remnant]

flechette nerf mightve been too far

[autumn grotto]

Hopefully they put out another survey, considering they said they pay a lot of attention to those

[thin remnant]

pve doesnt matter lol [barely]

[vital fractal]

lol

[vital fractal]

That’s where you’re wrong

PvE is an integral part of the game

To ignore it is to ignore the basis of hunt

[thin remnant]

PvE is an obstacle and guide to lead to more pvp fights.

[unborn sandal]

The only gimmick Flechette had was you could annoy people at mid range

[thin remnant]

if there was no pvp, there would be no hunt.

[vital fractal]

You would like that but no, the bounty is the entire purpose

[unborn sandal]

You’re just giving up lethality at close range

[vital fractal]

Even the devs have said the fights are not the main objective

[thin remnant]

not nowadays lol

but like

[vital fractal]

That’s how you play, not the games purpose

[thin remnant]

theres already so many ways to basically instant kill bosses

[vital fractal]

There’s a difference

[thin remnant]

i dont want to take up a 3 slot weapon slot just to do it

[vital fractal]

That’s an opinion

[unborn sandal]

The devs have stated multiple times they want bounty to be the main priority

[thin remnant]

i could literally just take a sticky.

[vital fractal]

Then do it, I never said it’s one or the other

[unborn sandal]

But I’m not sure what the devs are smoking so take that with a grain of salt

[thin remnant]

idk about you but id personally rather take up a consumable slot than you know
a three slot weapon

where i could have a mosin or something

[vital fractal]

Because on console it is still An amazing cqc weapon

Tf?

The PvP ammos just buffed it even more

[thin remnant]

we're talking about console now?

[vital fractal]

I am a console…

[thin remnant]

ohhh lmao

explains the whole debate

[vital fractal]

Yes lmao

So this spear shit

Is pissing me off even more

[thin remnant]

yeah thats fair

[unborn sandal]

People saying that the krag and spear change is not that impactful clearly haven’t played at all

[thin remnant]

yeah

i loved krag

i used it a ton

but i HATE the damage change

[unborn sandal]

At least 50% of people I see are using Krag spear

[thin remnant]

i mean that is partially because people like new stuff

but yeah i agree

nerf spear, revert krag damage buff

[unborn sandal]

No buff or weapon addition has ever caused this drastic a change in weapon use rate that I can remember

[thin remnant]

Krag was such a unique gun

but they just ruined that

[unborn sandal]

Yeah I used to like running it

Now I feel like a metaslave if I do

[thin remnant]

this

[vital fractal]

Meta slave

Krag

Yeah it’s busted lmao

I remember when it came came out first

[thin remnant]

krag was honestly balanced before

[vital fractal]

It really was

[thin remnant]

like the ammo buff is welcome

[vital fractal]

The ammo buff is a bit much

[thin remnant]

but it was one of the more balanced guns in the game yeah

[vital fractal]

People just under estimated the RoF

[thin remnant]

maybe make it not quite so much idk but

yeah krag was good

[vital fractal]

So easy to run through the ammo with that RoF

[thin remnant]

now its just not krag anymore

[vital fractal]

Tbh don’t think any long except singles should one bar someone

I think the way to rebalance damage would be the bore sizes now

(With some liberty of course

Where the long > just less drop off and more pen

But all the damage values for rifles are all in the neighbor hood of eachother

[thin remnant]

martini, sparks

[vital fractal]

Might be an interesting path

[vital fractal]

Yeah, singles

[thin remnant]

oh you said singles

misread

yeah could be interesting

people WOULD cry

[vital fractal]

Really put emphasis on the handling of the rifles

Yeah but it’d be healthy

Since the guns identity would go beyond just damage but highlight actual handling of the rifles, the drop offs, and pen even more and force more focus on fights even after a down without adding all these ridiculous ways to earn bars back

Earning bars back should be incredibly rare, ie via a boss banish only tbh

[thin remnant]

remedy is good for the game imo

what are the other ways tho?

idk these ways that you speak of

[vital fractal]

Considering the game is in event mode more than 50% of the time, look at the past

[unborn sandal]

Just make the ammo total 15

You know

Like the other bolt actions

Like why

It doesn’t need 18

[hot vigil]

Naw make it have 18 bullets, just revert the damage

[lean estuary]

Hear me out - give every hunter an M1874 McKeever pouch, 20 large rounds

[hot vigil]

It is called the "ammo box" it is cheap

[flat sandal]

#game-ideas message
Even if it is unpopular I made it my mission to fight the shotgun scourge so, good Sir, I feel obliged to tell you that your suggestion is utterly ludicrous. What would you point at as the changes made that lead to the perceived weakness in the performance of shotguns? @noble lily

upvoting ones own suggestion is not considered particularly good style so I will assume that this happened on accident

I'm just playing, fyi. but down with shotguns

@surreal python that's already going to change

[lean estuary]

I’m not talking about the same thing, haha (I know you’re a “balancing before all else” guy)

[thorny spindle]

Slug limb penetration straight up not working 80% of the time

Long ammo, ever the problem

[empty oasis]

@surreal python Your post was removed due to "Make sure your idea is not already in the game or on the roadmap."

@noble lily Your posts have been removed from the ⁠suggestions-ideas channel, as they were feedback posts. Please use the ⁠feedback channel in the future.

@vernal axle Your posts have been removed from the ⁠suggestions-ideas channel, as they were feedback posts. Please use the ⁠feedback channel in the future.

@last ferry Your post has been removed due to "Only one idea per post."
Please split them up and resubmit them separately

[thin remnant]

What's the difference btw?

Also where is the line drawn between multiple ideas? Because I've submitted ideas for multiple similar things at once but it didn't get removed

e.g. hellfire vials/poison vials

[empty oasis]

"This thing sucks. Its broken and op. Change it"
vs
"X is too strong as it is now and breaks its niche. Lowering the damage to Y, the velocity to Z, and the cycle time to A would retain its feel while bringing it in line with other weapons"

[thin remnant]

i assume the latter is the suggestion?

and i assume the one that got removed was the shotgun one?

thx

[empty oasis]

If they are different things it should be different posts so that the voting works as intended. Instead of "add spitzer to the sparks and martini henry" split them up because people might like one but not the other

[dusky tapir]

#feedback message @subtle hemlock some will also become bloodbond purchases

[flat sandal]

I would nerf long ammo as well tbh although the comparison isn't fair. It's two completely different things. I mean should you not two shot in the body and one shot in the head from long range with long ammo? If that is what ppl are asking for then of course shotguns would need an according massive nerf. I'm kinda for that. Thing is that some people just try to use shotguns at a range they are not made for and complain afterwards. Gotta have a backup and obviously you have to have a drawback from choosing short distance. Could be that there are registration issues with slugs idk.

[pine lagoon]

What wrong with graphic game after update? Why so look awful?

[hoary widget]

#general-announcements message

[pine lagoon]

weird, and now I don't my config setting

[dusky tapir]

!graphics

[marsh garden]

To help with the recent graphical issues you can use these Steam launch options:
+sys_spec_effects = 3 +sys_spec_light = 3 +sys_spec_object = 3 +sys_spec_particle = 3 +sys_spec_postprocess = 3 +sys_spec_shadow = 3 +sys_spec_texture = 3 +sys_spec_texturefiltering = 6
1 = Low | 2 = Medium | 3 = High, for texture filtering 6 = 16x

Steam launch options are accessible by right clicking the game in your library and choosing properties.

Please note that this will not fix all of the issues such as blurry textures, but it should help alleviate most of them.

[dusky tapir]

for workaround

[empty oasis]

@split epoch #feedback message

What changes are you talking about?

[hot vigil]

@paper belfry
But we have????

[paper belfry]

@languid jay lol i tought i was the only tenno in the hunt community

[paper belfry]

Who's the other bad bitch besides lulu?

[hot vigil]

Concubine, Sophia (Lulu's GF), Redneck Daughter, Witch Hunter, Gunslinger, Llorona's Heir to name a few.
Think the issue is more that it is VERY subjective thing to ask for.

[paper belfry]

i see, indeed, but i think Lulu is the most "Sexualized" one so thats what i meant, now.....wtf sophia is Lulu's gf real shit? Where to i read that?

[hot vigil]

There are different lore bits here and there.
Also some the events story lines are Sophia writing letters to Lulu.

Yeah, "bad bitch" would be what I would describe Lulu as if I wanted more Hunters like her :V

[queen jungle]

💀

[flat sandal]

are we suggesting anime girls again?...^^

[paper belfry]

Not really but im down for it

[flat sandal]

perhaps we can just have an anime girls weekend or so

I think it would be only fair

until then I'll have to make due with the bone mason. it's close enough

[paper belfry]

Bro is a man of taste

[flat sandal]

right?

[vital fractal]

I’m just saying

[flat sandal]

why are the stats for weapons with melee attachments all over the place

[vital fractal]

smash is a word that can be next to a few hunters

[thin remnant]

LIST.

[flat sandal]

lol

[thin remnant]

In descending order

[flat sandal]

wonder what the miko looks like under that mask

[thin remnant]

And istg if I don't see Monroe in there

For me

[hot vigil]

Most likely like the North Star

[thin remnant]

Hail Mary, massive smash

[flat sandal]

okay we need a ranking video now

hunters by smashability

ness

[flat sandal]

I'm not kink shaming^^

that reminds me

they should add a whip as a tool

[thin remnant]

Wha...

How tf does kink remind you of a whip tool...

/:l

[flat sandal]

idk, you tell me

[tawny meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[flat sandal]

soowy

just kinda waiting and hopeing for a video to drop

[flat sandal]

so back to topic^^

[paper belfry]

Based

I would like to see a female hunter with straps and harness

[flat sandal]

ngl, it's hard not to respond rn

[analog sigil]

Like cain

[vital fractal]

There are

So many comments to make

And it’s like choosing a Skyrim dialogue option and hoping I don’t choose the wrong one

Like right now there are 5 comments I want to reply to

And I know the correct option is none of them lmaoooo

[analog sigil]

I dont have enough speech lvl to pick the good ones

[vital fractal]

But I remember one day I matched with randoms

We were

Dark Frau Perchta, Mama Maye, and Hail Mary

And to fuck with them, after we walked by a clue all silent, I decided to say

“So we just decided to all dress up in my taste in women huh?”

And that was enough to get them to giggle and start a conversation for the rest of the game

So, hunters out there got that Dawg in them- just takes a little to get it out and have a fun time

[paper belfry]

How can you kink mama maye?

[analog sigil]

How can you not

[flat sandal]

someone, by pure coincidence, explained to me today what mama issues are

[vital fractal]

It’s not kinking anything

It’s just really appreciating some of the designs that are done very well

Redneck, Hardin, and Monroe are examples of male character I think are quite well done as well

The others I joke more about but still

[crystal plume]

DLC release has nothing to do with ongoing issues and won't be affected by it, it's an entirely different department working on it and artists can still work on their projects while people fixing bugs work on theirs. The patch having issues also does not prove them not testing their patches, all it tells is that something went wrong. They likely didn't have the issue on their build and issues appeared from it being deployed to the live environment. Test server is not for public use anymore as it only "worked" when there was a BB incentive to play there, otherwise it became a ghost town after the first couple days.

[analog sigil]

The release build passed all tests (if there are any) but the graphics issue wasnt noticed which is likely a sign of there not being a QA team that does explorative testing

I would assume that if they include commits to a build that change how configs work they would also test the changes

But to be fair even bigger companies make assumptions and run practically untested code in production

Ive heard classics like "You dont need a debugger when you know what the code does" and "Tests are unnecessary if you dont write buggy code" from senior devs here

[arctic hemlock]

Anyone had a bug where they cannot move but can still switch weapons and get damaged?

Team mates are also standing still but still shooting ect

[slim pollen]

@signal silo They're not buffing it, they're nerfing it to one use per match and you have to rebuy it after the fact.

[signal silo]

For 4 points. You think that's expensive?

[slim pollen]

It can certainly add up. Say you normally come out of a match with 12 points to spend and you can get yourself physician, doctor, and a 1 point perk. With this change you have to choose between one of the two (or another pair of expensive perks).

[tiny pivot]

Absolutely not expensive with how catastrophically game changing solo necro has been

[slim pollen]

I will say though, I don't think this nerfs solo necro in the right way. Being able to self-rez wasn't much of an issue. It was having to sit on a solos corpse until they burned out (which you'll still have to do).

[slim pollen]

Again, not expensive, just that if we assume a solo uses necro every match, then it can add up over time and delay them getting higher cost perks.

It seems like they're trying to nerf necro by making it inconvenient to rely on, which is fair. I just don't think it properly addresses the fact that people still have to to deal with others using necro.

Doesn't matter if a solo can stand up 4 times or just 1, I still have to plant my butt on his corpse until the fire goes out.

Same for teams using necro.

The one (potential) upside is that they said they're speeding up burning.

[radiant river]

No you don't if they res once and you kill them they won't be able to get up again in the future

And faster burning like you said

[slim pollen]

Yes, but until they rez I still have to watch the body.

[radiant river]

Sure, but I'm not sure there's much else they could've done

[slim pollen]

I would have liked to have seen a tool or trait with a long interaction time you could use on a body that would prevent necromancer from reviving them for a set period of time.

Use trait/tool, burn, leave them if they're solo or just plain prevent teamates from necroing from a distance for a while.

I guess one upside to limiting necro to one use is getting rid of derankers. Though there were other ways they could have dealt with the necro deranking issue, like averaging the MMR loss at the end of the match or only counting MMR loss after 5-10 seconds of coming back to life.

[hot vigil]

For me this necro change just kinda... make it worse for everyone?
Havin' one charge of Necro means that solos gonna wait as long as possible to get up, further pushing the "burn and wait" issue.
Havin' hunters burning faster just gonna severely impact teams that is already affected by the insta-burn meta.
Havin' Solo coming back with 150 hp just gonna make it even harder to lock them down.
Havin' one charge means that solos ain't gonna stick around when they get up and just extract making it "Diet Death Cheat"

[signal silo]

Not only that but you can wait till they are almost done, have them get up and have to be luck/skilled/not in another fight enough to kill them again at 150hp.

[slim pollen]

Yes to all of the above.

[signal silo]

Yep. Burning faster is just a buff for solos. Now they can insta burn bodies and only have to camp the body half the time they would have.

[west condor]

this game bacame a BIG joke. from best pvevp outthere, now all you play is WAITING SIMULATION. 7 solo players in trio game and everybody is reviving himself. if you DONT WAIT 5 MINUTES for body to burnout that guy WILL shot at you next moment you are not looking at the corpse... just sad, what this game become, from simple masterpiece to something fortnite wannabe.. :/

[signal silo]

Also the "diet death cheat" is exactly what I'm seeing too. They are just going to try and survive (by hiding, etc.) as much as they can so they can just rebuy Necro. Meanwhile they are still killing team players in lower MMR with impunity.

[radiant river]

you should watch the latest dev video they are changing some stuff related ot that

[dim palm]

Theyre nerfing necromancer to a single revive.

[signal silo]

And? Given the other buffs, it's an overall buff.

[sonic rock]

#nobulletdrop