feedback-discussion

[crystal plume]

I don't being throwables since I find them a boring way to fight, and you get them from tool boxes and looting anyways more often than not

My usual setup is a big vit shot for emergencies, big regen to save on heals during a fight, ammo box and stam shot

[hardy coral]

I don't like to overcomplicate it even if regen shots are BS.

Take a hit, heal, get a good (or bad) spot, throw a nade.

[floral nova]

yes, yes, me too. People that won't ress you. I'm talking about quitting right upon death

I'd dive a punishment for leaving in the first like 30s

so maybe people can calm down

😂

[crystal plume]

That would have to be companied with an option to refuse a res so that people aren't locked into getting farmed because of their randoms spam ressing them, currently the only way to avoid it is leaving

[floral nova]

yes, that option I've advocated before

@viscid rune #game-ideas message oh.. ehm.. I do?

[tiny pivot]

All I'm goign to say is I have literally 0 idea why your suggestions for hunter designs got overwhelming positivity but your suggestions for weapons with similar vibes and on weapons with that dont have skins, got so much negativity???

[topaz tide]

Yeah, I'm confused also, but that's okay. It's why we're here to discuss ideas and offer feedback.

[lean estuary]

I liked your names and character bios, I think they’re some characters that could be done really well, if carefully designed. They could also go the opposite direction, in different hands 😰

[topaz tide]

That's scarily true-- they're admittedly unpolished which is why they have such brief, vague descriptions (that and I don't wanna waste people's time with tons of reading).

[topaz tide]

Would you have any recommendations/criticisms based on the character bios so far?

[lean estuary]

No criticisms really, I didn’t think of them as unpolished at all, they feel like they have enough details to spark the imagination…I like that they’re Italian performers too, I think that could mean some more interesting costuming styles than what people typically think with an American circus..🎪

[junior crane]

@crystal bane #game-ideas message
This would be cool, maybe they could repurpose weapon charms for that. Maybe when you pick up a gun with weapon charm, you can salvage the charm in loadouts menu and sell it.

On the other hand people would then just stop wearing weapon charms to specifically not give other players a chance to salvage them 🤔

[plain juniper]

0x300001 does anybody know what this stands for or why it occurs?

[queen jungle]

#troubleshooting would be the better place for this question, but if I recall correctly it means your game lost the connection to the server.

[plain juniper]

oh sorry

[subtle dust]

@minor fjord hi, I know this is not the feedback you want, but $600-$800 per loadout is a bit much for periods when you die a lot.
Try taking just a big vit shot and a small regen, no other consumables and go for toolboxes.
Play cheap sidearms like a simple nagant or conversion pistol. Then you can still play strong mains.
Or play cheap and strong variety loadouts like bow and short winnie, nagant precision and romero hand cannon, veterli and hand crossbow.... And so on.
I'm also between 3-5 stars, depending on the games. But with variety in loadouts I have the most fun and money is not a problem ever with currently sitting at $400k...
And of course solo brings you more money than teams. With teams having the advantage to be able to play complimenting loadouts.

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message bro greyhound is really good

[floral nova]

about that. Is anyone using gator legs?

[thin remnant]

gator legs is good too imo

[rotund obsidian]

gator legs > greyhound tbh

[thin remnant]

nah id take greyhound > gator legs but i like both

i like to get to the action quickly when i play the game, dont wanna be running across the map for half the match

[rotund obsidian]

i think greyhound is kinda mid tbh. biggest slowdown for me is standing around waiting for melee stamina so i dont get mobbed by three grunts

i'd rather just take vigor

[floral nova]

grayhound is useful to run with bounties and to chase running bounties

[thin remnant]

vigor is good too

[thin remnant]

grunts arent that big of a problem for me tbh

[floral nova]

if you're chasing bounties you can just shoot mobs

[rotund obsidian]

i mean depends on what you run but even fighting grunts is obnoxious with no stamina

[floral nova]

so you're talking early-mid game?

[rotund obsidian]

i stab three grunts then i gotta stop running to get my stam back cause i know that pack of dogs over the hill is gonna aggro me the millisecond i decide to run with low stamina

[floral nova]

I usually try to avoid problematic mobs

[thin remnant]

i never really had a problem with dogs either lol

i aggro dogs like once every 10 games

[floral nova]

early-mid game

[rotund obsidian]

i mean if youre takin the long way around every AI you see, that's probably a bigger slowdown than just waiting for stamina regen lol

although if youre just rockin throwing knives or axes or a hand crossy or somethin its less of an issue, but still

i dont really see greyhound as much of a problem solver besides for bounty chases

[thin remnant]

dont you just duke/lose the grunts when they follow you?

i only bother with hives and immolators and such

if im in a compound with grunts i just vault a fence or close a door on them

[rotund obsidian]

grunts got legs bro unless you're like, running through a building or something. plenty of open areas

they got built in gators legs too

[thin remnant]

but by the time they get around the object i vaulted/closed on them or whatever im long gone

[floral nova]

eeh, you don't need to take a long way around

[rotund obsidian]

also. i prestige so i want mob xp

[floral nova]

btw early game I prefer silence to speed

[thin remnant]

why not both

[floral nova]

oh, that's another valid point

[rotund obsidian]

idk greyhound just kinda mid, i don't find myself getting any use out of it

[thin remnant]

what kind of weapons do u run anyway

[rotund obsidian]

the difference with/without it even on flat ground with no AI is kinda minimal

[floral nova]

for that you need a bow, silentkillingmobstraitwhatsitsname, silenced nagant

[thin remnant]

dont kill the mobs

although i do run bow a lot

[floral nova]

but that's slower and sometimes not silent

I used to play with nagant silenced w/ poison

when mobs were a big concern for me

now I'm better so I don't care that much

[thin remnant]

idk about you guys but im pretty much always running so that might be part of it

[rotund obsidian]

this is pretty old but still

[thin remnant]

fair

i find running stamina really annoying though i like to keep running

this is just my personal opinion

[rotund obsidian]

I just wish i could regen melee stam while running, even if it was significantly slowed down

[thin remnant]

could make a nice trait, or an addition to greyhound

[rotund obsidian]

greyhound is just so expensive for what it does. if it were like, 3 points then maybe i'd grab it occasionally.

hell i think it could just give infinite running stamina and it'd be fine

[thin remnant]

so maybe with that price and the melee stamina addition it'd be more balanced?
by that price i mean the price it already has

[rotund obsidian]

i think it'd work better on determination, since greyhound definitely seems more like solely for running

do people take determination? i feel like its also barely taken since the only people who'd run it just take stam shots

[floral nova]

I thought that now it's faster not to stop

I think I agree that grayhound is not powerful in early-mid game, when you have to run to the boss or to a fight, but it makes the difference at end game, when you have to run to the exit, either bc you have the bounty or bc you're chasing one.

[urban ermine]

Maybe increase extraction stopping range for the enemy team to about a half a compound, current range is way too short and risky for the chasing team

Team with a bounty can easily outrun chasing team and difficult to stop them unless you get really close to stop the extraction.

[topaz tide]

Pardon me, I'm just used to having more details when writing character bios. Thank you.

[thin remnant]

@fathom pond #game-ideas message What about non-solo necro? Is that also disabled?

[fathom pond]

team necro?

[thin remnant]

yeah i never found that to be unbalanced [im personally a solo necro un-enjoyer and i play solo a lot]

[fathom pond]

i mean just all necro imo

[thin remnant]

whats so bad about team necro

imo they should just update the game and change solo necro fundamentally lol

[fathom pond]

you kill one person from there team and then unless you have traps or barb you kinda also lose one of your team to keep an eye on the body imo

i just kinda wish they got rid of necro fully, i dont get why it isnt the most expensive perk in the game, its so overpowered for what it is

[thin remnant]

tbh i think solo necro should be reworked fundamentally and team necro just needs a bigger downside

like using it gives you poison or something idk

or teammates revived with it need to kill an enemy after a certain amount of time or they go back to being downed? thats a pretty dramatic change but something along those lines could be cool

definetely needs a change i think

[fathom pond]

i personally think making it a buyable burn perk would at least be a better option

1 time use thing then re buy

[thin remnant]

that doesnt sound bad

[fathom pond]

or make it so itll burn a 25 chunk so you have to really think about if you want to use it

[thin remnant]

but people with really high level hunters or a lot of trait points could still abuse it

and it would still be annoying not knowing how many your enemy has

[fathom pond]

i mean yeah but itll still only be 1 res per person

[thin remnant]

burn is a good idea

make it burn your first health chunk as if youre getting downed

for team that is

for me solo necro is the bigger problem cause its not fun for anyone

not fun for the enemy of the necroer having to babysit the body

not fun for the necroer reviving then immediately getting downed and not being able to use their trait

[fathom pond]

yeah i get solo necro being annoying, and i would probably agree solo necro is the most annoying, but i also see why its there, and i really dont know what the balance would be, i mean the only thing i can think of is its not a button click to res, you have to hold it for a little biit and it makes noise around your body

[thin remnant]

game was better before solo trait buffs is my general opinion

Ok hear me out:

Hold it down and it makes a really loud sound maybe even a darksight thunder cloud kinda thing like the banishing boss above your body and you respawn with only 1 health chunk, BUT when you respawn you start off in a wraith state that lets you be invincible but cant attack for a few seconds so you can reposition and avoid traps.

[snow cipher]

Hey, just got here, I liked the suggestion on the necro burn trait

Necro has annoyed me for a bit and that may be a good solution

[thin remnant]

^ I think this is the best solution for solo that i can come up with

[fathom pond]

i think make small changes 1 after the other till it feels good, so you dont just nuke it into the ground

i think the wraith idea is cool on one hand but also if you have a melee it could just make that op so you just rush the as wraith then melee as soon as you spawn

and if they miss their shot itll be 1-2 seconds before they can shoot just because of how the guns work

[thin remnant]

you cant shoot for a bit after reappearing

and visible while in wraith form perhaps

hold on

maybe after coming out of wraith form you start with like 1 hp then slowly gain it back

[fathom pond]

yeah but i mean you could use that time to just rush the team camping the body and get so close theyy cant get away then just melee

[thin remnant]

yeah itd need some other kind of changes to help with that

[fathom pond]

plus the 1hp thing would make resiliance useless

[thin remnant]

i think the basic idea would definetely work

maybe ill refine it and put it in suggestions-ideas

thx for chatting

[fathom pond]

nw sorry for slow replies im ig

[snow cipher]

You are a mad lad for typing while ig lol

[thin remnant]

? whats ig mean

drunk?

[snow cipher]

In game

[thin remnant]

oh in game

im playing tf2 rn lol

[snow cipher]

Nice lol, could never get into tf2, cool game tho

[thin remnant]

yuh im gonna be careful not to start a conversation about that cause its feedback discussion but i might refine the necro idea on the offchance it somehow causes a change to necro

[snow cipher]

Yeah, I figured my comment would be allowed because it was basic lol, better to not start a full on one though for sure. I think that's a great idea! I have no idea if the developers see any of the suggestions, but I still think it is good to make these ideas and put them out there in the chance that it ends up on crytek's desk

[floral nova]

To me team necro is useful but risky. You can easily be shot or pushed while you are ressing. Ressing without seeing the body could mean that your mate gets insta re-killed. It also makes noise so you risk giving your position away.

I think the big problem with necro and solo necro is Resilience. Maybe if it granted less HPs, like 50, it could be ok. Concertina or bears' trap would kill you or close to kill you, especially if you don't stop the bleeding right away.

[vital fractal]

Lmao if you can’t vote on someone’s thing it means you’re blocked correct?

[queen jungle]

Yes.

There's a couple people here who block others for downvoting their suggestions or block the bot to block votes being attached.

[hardy coral]

Well I block people who are trolling.

[vital fractal]

“Trolling”

My guy a good sized group of the* server agreed against your scope points

But whatever

[quaint cloak]

condescendingly calling someone "my guy" before you "correct" them always had big Ellis from Die Hard vibes.

"LoL my gai. LmAo even."

[hardy coral]

Guess all the people disliking think the bomb lance harpoon, springfield explosive ammo, dynamite sticks and the giganerfed flash bombs are really OP?

[hot vigil]

Rule of thumb, people tend not to like good things getting removed.

No matter how imbalanced it is

Akin to long ammo

[hardy coral]

But it's a rework, it's not a removal.

[hot vigil]

It is still a nerf

[hardy coral]

And it's existence basically removes those items it counters since it makes them so weak

More buffs than nerfs, more stuff becoming viable than not

[quaint cloak]

speaking of nerfs, how did DeadEye scopes get nerfed?

[hot vigil]

It is a nerf because it makes you die more to enemy explosive

[hardy coral]

Halved move speed while ADS

Since it was applied to all scopes 2 years ago to nerf lebel marksman and mosin sniper mainly

[quaint cloak]

oh damn

[hardy coral]

So a bunch of weapons have basically been trash for years and nobody cares.

[quaint cloak]

moving faster with DeadEye would be cool at least

[hardy coral]

Just having 100% move speed would be fine since it's a side grade to irons.

Small scope FOV, blurs the rest of your screen, not much zoom.

[quaint cloak]

maybe not 100% realistically, maybe like 80%? Either way, I agree with you in general

[hardy coral]

They were fine before the change therefore it should be reverted completely.

[unborn dagger]

I just personally think Bulwark should be nerfed to 25%, not 50% and let bomblance stay unaffected. Having it reduce self damage by 75% of explosions is rather cheap feeling and further reduces the self inflicted damage nerf that crossbow got.

[hardy coral]

Reducing it to 25% still has the same problem of punishing other players through no fault of their own.

The worst of it ofc is making the bomb lance not a one shot but it makes other explosives weak/hard to balance.

[vernal plank]

@signal silo hunt players never get VAC banned because its not using VAC

they get game bans

[hardy coral]

And how is some guy who just happens to have a lot of hours a cheater just because he's in 3 star?

If you're abusing the MMR system to derank yourself it's not cheating.

Or if you're simply still 3 star skill level after that long, not cheating.

[signal silo]

Don't really care. Some kind of ban would be nice. How about their entire steam account deleted?

[analog sigil]

@signal silo Thats the most silly thing ive read in suggestions in the entirety of 2024

[hardy coral]

Calm down and accept you lost.

[vernal plank]

calm down haha

yes, deranking is shit, but not banable

[analog sigil]

Ill go do some some soul survivor with a controller and drop to 2 star just for you

[signal silo]

Nah. I'm done. I'm done with this discord channel and this community. I hate solos and anyone who defends them.

[queen jungle]

What do experienced players playing against new players have to do with the reporting system have to do with solo players have to do with people not getting VAC bans (which is due to Hunt simply not using VAC).

[analog sigil]

Certified rq

[vernal plank]

first, yes, calm down before writing and yes, as i said, its annoying to players and its a shit move to derank on purpose only to kill newbies, but as long as its possible its not banable. crytek should really look into the mmr system either way

bro left the server lmao

[frozen crater]

your argument that bulwark is one of the few perks that nerfs opponents is hard to buy since there are so many counter-perks like it already in the base game that nerf opponents efficacy. bloodless, mithridatist, dauntless, hornskin (only on dusters lol), and salveskin are all examples that play like bulwark's countering system.

I agree that the bomb lance should remain unaffected, but I disagree with reworking it to a state where it doesnt reduce enemy explosive damage since consumable explosives are already in such a strong state. I'm neutral on the flashbomb buffs since I hated the original flashbomb, but I know that reworking it to reduce teammate explosive damage is a huge nerf compared to reducing enemy explosive damage

[hardy coral]

I'm saying few because those are the few perks.

And those should get changes too because it makes their countered stuff hard to balance.

[hardy coral]

A huge nerf is fine, it shouldn't be doing what it is currently doing.

And flash bombs should be consistent but fair instead of what they were previously which was consistent but unfair and now inconsistent but fair.

And with explosives the dynamite is hardly OP (the dynamite bundle is a little strong) and it doesn't effect frag bombs.

If bulwark didn't nerf these throwables you could properly balance them.

[tardy rapids]

LMFAO you think bomb lance is op?

And not the fact frags go through walls?

[hardy coral]

What? I said nothing about the lance being op.

I'm talking about nerfing(reworking) bulwark to make the bomb lance harpoon good by always making it one shot.

[quaint cloak]

The frag bomb looks like it's made of steel or iron plates wired around a cordite or TNT charge...IRL that could probably punch through some wooden walls within a few meters and cause a nasty bleeding gash, or worse

so please laugh your ass back on

[tardy rapids]

The duality of stupidity is immeasurable

It goes through metal walls

And floors

It can also insta kill behind said walls

[quaint cloak]

it could probably punch through corrugated tin roof, too, if that's what you're on about

[tardy rapids]

If you try to use realism for game balance you have failed miserably when people can use teleportation via dark sight

Revive the dead

Etc

[quaint cloak]

are you just swirling your wine and saying internet garbage

[tardy rapids]

No I'm showing the stupidity of someone who I hope to god is being sarcastic thinking frags insta killing behind walls is a good idea.

[quaint cloak]

that's always the worst argument, put anything you like in the game then, if nothing matters

[tardy rapids]

They did

The avtomat exists

[quaint cloak]

yeah, you could get hit with 3 of those plates and die....or one plate in the right place

Age Check, sir?

[tardy rapids]

Frags don't instakill in other shooters,sir?

Especially modern day ones

[quaint cloak]

Are video games your only reference for anything?

(Also, yeah, the Shadowleap teleporting thing is completely stupid, even if it's a fun idea in theory, it's an insane power)

[tardy rapids]

Yes video games are a reference for balancing video games

Especially fantasy ones

[quaint cloak]

Well so is real life, your imagination, books etc... nothing's stopping anyone from making an individual game different from another individual game, or departing from some popular customs of the moment

(and Hunt isn't a fantasy game)

[blissful jackal]

Frag nade hitting through walls is so dumb

[quaint cloak]

nah

[blissful jackal]

What's the counterplay

[quaint cloak]

oh I didn't realize it was a card game

[blissful jackal]

You just die or bleed

[quaint cloak]

you stop the bleeding, that's the counter play

[blissful jackal]

And get pushed and die

The fact it makes you heavy bleed through walls is just bad

[quaint cloak]

tough shit

welcome to Hunt

[slate jetty]

nah thats dumb

[radiant river]

it 1 shots 🙄

its also extremely buggy

randomly goes around certain walls and floors and not others

[slate jetty]

frag bombs need to be nerfed the radius it one shots is nuts

[blissful jackal]

Great argument

Devs should go forward with a welcome to hunt attitude for all balancing changes from now on

[quaint cloak]

Haha, thhe game has always been hard...but seriously, I don't know where you're getting the idea that there should be an equal counteracting "counterplay"

nerfing where it can't kill through walls sounds fair, but it could probably penetrate

[fathom rampart]

Frag bomb probably should have a much lower likelihood of killing you behind a wall, but not impossible

maybe like a 1/10 chance

[quaint cloak]

how bad is it?

[fathom rampart]

Otherwise just severe injury/ heavy bleeding

[slate jetty]

i mean ive had some ridiculous ass deaths from frag bombs the range is insane i dont mind heavy bleed all that much

[quaint cloak]

Bloodless exists, too

sometimes you don't have it, and you get unlucky

oh well

[blissful jackal]

Running behind solid walls should protect me from being killed/bleed from nades I react to

[quaint cloak]

If there were destructable walls (like in Crysis!) the frag bomb would most certainly blow a clean hole right through

[blissful jackal]

Yeah so I'm talking about hunt showdown

[quaint cloak]

maybe like 12 inch thick stone walls

[blissful jackal]

It sucks from a gameplay perspective

[quaint cloak]

yes

you don't like it, but it doesn't suck

[blissful jackal]

Ok glad we're on the same page now you started talking about crysis

[blissful jackal]

I think majority of people dying through walls from grenades they reacted to would say it sucks

[quaint cloak]

you misunderstood, because I said "If", and "Like in"

[quaint cloak]

What is this weird entitlement thing that gamers have where they think it's unfair if the rules and behavior between different video games aren't exactly the same

[blissful jackal]

Why do you keep bringing up other games

I don't care about how it works in other games

I think they way it works in hunt should be changed

[radiant river]

crysis sucks idk why thats relevant at all

[slate jetty]

just like theres still no sniper counter play

make flares blind scopes in direct line of sight or something

[tiny pivot]

Crazy talking about that in the server for the game that only exists because Crysis was an influential game for an entire generation of consoles and PCs

[wild yoke]

crysis sucks idk why thats relevant at all in hunt showdown

[quaint cloak]

Sorry Vindicator was talking about other games....I don't know why people don't get that the frag grenades behave this way in Hunt, and it's something to carefully consider, instead of complaining about

[quaint cloak]

Because IRL walls are destructable, and they made an effort to reflect that in Crysis. Not (yet??) a feature in Hunt, but I'm saying that a frag bomb right against a wooden or corrugated tin wall would probably blow a hole through....so don't be so surprised that you're getting some damage through the wall?

[radiant river]

Ok how do you explain it going through one wall but not another wall that is extremely similar

It's just buggy

If this was a feature sure we could have this argument - but it barely works

[quaint cloak]

yeah, could be buggy....why would I be able to explain that

[blissful jackal]

You realize it makes you bleed through non wooden walls sometimes right.

[quaint cloak]

like corrugated tin or steel?

[blissful jackal]

I don't know why gamers feel entitled to think video games should work like real life ...

[quaint cloak]

did you read my whole message?

[wild yoke]

This is a cowboy zombie game, we dont need realistic penetration

[quaint cloak]

haha nice, Hunt is pretty realistic, so I think it's a reasonable expectation

[quaint cloak]

you may play too many video games

[wild yoke]

yeah let me throw my fart bomb at a explosive zombie then revive my teammate with my mind through a wall

[quaint cloak]

if you dumb it down and misrepresent it, you can make it sound as stupid as you want

[blissful jackal]

Yeah I think I saw someone fighting zombies and mutant creatures the other day ...

[wild yoke]

Yeah I saw my neighbor shoot a meathead with his mosin a day ago

it was crazy

[blissful jackal]

Good thing I had a nade and killed them through their entire house

[wild yoke]

Good thing I had gotten the bounty and could see that there were people trying to third party him

[quaint cloak]

yeah put plasma rifles in then yeah dudes

[analog sigil]

frag arrow roulette my beloved

How hard is it to get that games like this are built around gameplay and not realism

[quaint cloak]

all of the weapons and environments are more or less realistic, the monster designs are very grounded....it's supernatural circumstances in a realistic setting.....saying it's just fantasy and anything goes is a disingenuous argument

[analog sigil]

if you wish games that try to approximate realism there are games like arma and gzw and squad for you

you probably wont like it because turns out it slows the game down when bullets kill from a one hit to vitals

[blissful jackal]

This guy gets it

[quaint cloak]

Oh it is both

Yeah Arma and GZW and Squad go for a more nonfictional, simulation type thing, which is not the same thing as realistic and grounded and fictional, even though they sare a lot

[quaint cloak]

you both do not

anyway, the point of frag bombs is to penetrate some wall material

and cause bleeding

it is, a gameplay design

[blissful jackal]

Which I think is bad from gameplay perspective before you went off on your tangent about realism

[analog sigil]

I would prefer consistent pen mechanics instead of the casino it is right now

[blissful jackal]

Agree

[analog sigil]

frags can pen through walls very far rn if there is a gap

[quaint cloak]

well the idea of penetration from fragmentation is a realistic idea

[blissful jackal]

Very inconsistent let alone strong af

[quaint cloak]

yeah that's a separate thing and I'm not arguing against consistency

[slate jetty]

whats your kd nowadays champ

[blissful jackal]

2.39... pretty low

[quaint cloak]

don't you guys have summer reading or summer school homework to do

[slate jetty]

i thought it would be over 3 by now ngl

[analog sigil]

the way they work is that frags and large grenade bundles wrap around some geometry and sometimes they can wrap around a gap that is large enough

[slate jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/you-need-to-fucking-grow-up-grow-up-act-your-age-evolve-bloom-gif-12296463

[blissful jackal]

I was getting my master's while you were in Pampers kid ...

[slate jetty]

hunt is where boys turn into men... none of that sissy crap bro.

i play with a lower crosshair.

[analog sigil]

but implementing material and geometry dependent frag pen is very complex in terms of gameplay programming so I doubt any dev that has something else to do wishes to add that to their tasks

[quaint cloak]

Not with that literacy you didn't

[blissful jackal]

Anyways messaging between sets (just hit a pr) and your over here saying hunt is realistic. My wife almost has dinner made for me so let's wrap this up...

[quaint cloak]

thanks dudes, it sucks having conversations on here, a lot of the time

[analog sigil]

[quaint cloak]

I need to go shower

[slate jetty]

Just flooded my pants with diarrhea wsg

[analog sigil]

Just came out of shower.. I have another setup in the shower

[fathom rampart]

I earned my masters out in the bayou

My wife is making me two dinners

[quaint cloak]

Yes ma'am, Hunt has a realistic visual presentation for good reason, that og Crytek team really knew what they were doing

[fathom rampart]

and I still wear pampers. I really do have it all…

[blissful jackal]

Same.

[wild yoke]

Wow

im jealous.

[fathom rampart]

I agree that hunt’s guns/ environment/ creatures are mostly realistic. I think that’s why they pay so much attention to real world / plausibile gun mechanics

Having a realistic grounding is what makes the supernatural/ magic stuff work, and feel scary

the combat mechanics though, is tough, any argument starts to feel like splitting hairs

like, why can’t you blow downed hunters to pieces with dynamite

[quaint cloak]

I think the problem is that they have low media literacy, and are in 9th grade

[fathom rampart]

I’d prefer realistic combat (fatal organ hits, limping on legs shots, able to shoot while prone or on ladders, etc.) but it’s up to the devs

I see both sides to the frag pen argument

[blissful jackal]

That's not very nice to call the devs that

[analog sigil]

@atomic mist If 15 boss kill randoms bother you try going to 6 star, not many new players there

[quaint cloak]

Sorry if it's unclear (it's not), I'm talking about you guys

[radiant river]

He is a dev

[past kettle]

Pretty unfair a 6 star solo with 1000’s of game hours get thrown into 3 star lobbies only because they are solo. Solos should get their own lobbies with other solos and teams can only play against other teams. Before any wise guy says “git gud” or “skill issue” its literally not even that it’s high level players and high hours get thrown into the shitter lobbies and I have to fight 6 other teams and also yeah that dude I just killed gets to stand up 4 times and has no time limit when he can stand back up literally have sat and camped a solo for 10 minutes because he has the option to wait it out indefinitely.

[fathom rampart]

Actually, changing my opinion

i am pro (consistent) frag bomb pen

I can’t remember many times I’ve been killed through a wall, lots of times I just end up bleeding.

[quaint cloak]

Not surprised none of us know anything about realistic penetration

[topaz tide]

Giggity

[analog sigil]

I practice penetration on a regular basis

[fathom rampart]

Yeah, penetrating your nose with your finger…

[topaz tide]

Can I get the Tl;Dr on this argument?

[quaint cloak]

some players don't like the fact that Frag Bombs can penetrate walls, floors and different materials, and sometimes they can kill you, if they're in close range on the other side of a wall, floor, etc... I was saying the fragment penetration is fine, and makes some sense given Hunt's naturalistic/realistic presentation....not sure how I feel about killing through walls but that probably makes sense too in very close proximity.

[topaz tide]

I guess it would matter based on proximity since, if we're talking in terms of realism, a frag could/would penetrate (wood at least) and kill

[analog sigil]

There was no argument

its a nothingburger

yapping championship with no real content

[topaz tide]

It's a Tuesday and I got nothing to do, I'm here for some dumb stuff

Hell, I pitched an idea for Circus Hunters and the most I got from that amounted to "That's sounds cool"

[blissful jackal]

i trolled new tanner for 45 minutes

[topaz tide]

Noice

Anyways, I do want to hear more people's thoughts on the idea of Circus-based hunters. Should I change anything? What are your opinions?

<#game-ideas message>
<#game-ideas message>

[lean estuary]

Who doesn’t like the frag bomb pen?

[vital fractal]

They missed the opportunity to make the frag bomb look like an improvised nail bomb standard

Currently looks too well made and mass produced

A nail bomb on the other hand? Looks perfect for the situation

[lean estuary]

Looks ok to me considering it’s hard to even tell what it’s made of, some of it could be mass produced parts made for some other purpose, and incorporated into the FBs

[chilly nova]

Desync is the biggest threat in the bayou

[queen jungle]

#game-ideas message Honestly hope they make this a thing.

Holding is awful.

[frozen crater]

I think gunslinger fov in general needs tuning

there should be a setting that adjusts the hipfire state to have the same fov as the weapon down state

it feels incredible off to have hipfire feel so zoomed in

Im assuming that the weapon down state gives you like, what, 10 degrees wider sight?

[slate jetty]

Maybe they should just fix clothing and weapons poking through walls

[rotund obsidian]

no you can set the aim fov to be the same

[rotund obsidian]

this already exists lole

[frozen crater]

does it set the fov to be the same as the hipfire state or does it set the fov to be the same as the hipfire state?

[rotund obsidian]

it sets the hipfire fov to the same as the lowered state, so you get the higher fov in both cases

[frozen crater]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-meme-run-running-chase-gif-25568949

OMW TO MY SETTINGS

[rotund obsidian]

you might be able to do it the other way around though, but idk why you would

[neon basalt]

fix the following animations: people going down or up in ladders, when they seem that still are climbing in fact they are already deployed and shooting with total impunity, that is super misleading, please fix that annoying animation with false positives!!!

[rotund obsidian]

I just want to be able to lower weapons on the fly cause stuff like toggling lemat firemode and repeated gun melees are faster while lowered

and the functionality already exists, you can set hunter mode to toggle raise/lower and it's really quick and feels good, it just leaves some awkward quirks like needing to re-toggle it up after you sprint

[lean estuary]

What sort of feedback did you want? Are you planning on doing anything more with them, or just refining the idea as a suggestion?

[fathom rampart]

#game-ideas message
I am not in favor of this, simply because I am a 5K hours 3 star who is genuinely mediocre, not a cheater.

[rotund obsidian]

i have 1k hours and i ended my session today in 3 star as well :L

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message This would work after your squad gets wiped or after dying with no way to get back up, so maybe that, but if you still have a squad member and you can call out the exact position and weapons of the enemy that killed you or you have solo necro, nah.

@weak gazelle

[weak gazelle]

Yes, of course, I mean that, after complete death. Ty

[thin remnant]

maybe edit it to reduce confusion and get the proper idea across 👍

[topaz tide]

Right now, just refining it. Ideally, I would do more with it but I'm lacking in capabilities for doing anything besides just writing stuff down.

@lean estuary I think part of me just has difficulty accepting positivity and believes that I surely must have made some mistakes worth criticizing.

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message could make an awesome combo with incendiary and explosive ammo

[hardy coral]

Just be better to remove the bulwark flash resist and see if the current flashes are worth using if they are consistent in their effect.

[bitter jacinth]

The graphics needs fixed, everyone looks like a blob far away even with aperture or scopes, all around in general the graphics are horrible right now.

[tiny pivot]

They absolutely will not be, the flash bomb prime time is too ridiculous and they won’t see any actual gameplay until the cook time is fixed. Hive bombs accomplish similar goals but explode on impact

[crystal plume]

I don't personally think that hive bombs are really comparable to flash bombs utility wise

All they need to do to begin with is introduce flash bombs back to loot pools so that they will be use more which will give them more data on how they are used and how effective they are when people actually use them

Then go from there

[dusky tapir]

that's why they need to make it so that it aimpunches you like the assassin's bugs

🤓

[tiny pivot]

Sure that’s fair

I’m a firm believer that the absolutely unfathomable priming time contributes to it basically not existing since the nerf

[dusky tapir]

that's pretty much the main part to the nerf

functionally it hasn't changed, so none of the issues with it are fixed.

save for bulwark nerfing the duration, that is.

[tiny pivot]

Opinion is opinion, but I see both of them as tools to push a player and a hive bomb does light damage and distracts them from your push with noise, a flash bomb blinds them and deafens them, accomplishing similar ideas if that makes sense

Idk flash bomb reeks of hunts current bad direction of “balancing once every 3 alignments of the celestial moon” and dropping entire massive nerfs and buffs and just sitting on it for way too long

[hot vigil]

You can still fight while being bee'ed, flashbomb was a 6 seconds time out

[tiny pivot]

I’m not saying I want to be flashed every match either

[hot vigil]

But yeah, Crytek way of balancing is far and few and usually dropped on top of an event which makes it hard to gauge the balance well.
People didn't think much of Cenny dum dum to begin with, bc it was released the event where the most popular pact made you bleed immune.

[hardy coral]

If the flash worked every time you hit it people would use it despite wind up to breach certain lairs.

[hardy coral]

Immunities and resistance perks are so dumb

Game would be better with a double jump than those.

[hot vigil]

Resistance is fine, but yes, immunities are silly.

Also tend to hate traits that is just "do the thing you are doing, but better".

So iron eye ROF increase and Doctor

[hardy coral]

Resistance is bad because it makes the game inconsistent and stuff hard to balance.

Fastest tier of bleed is too fast, poison time from long ammo is too long, fire long is too punishing, but these vs all their perks are too weak to care for other than mith which is the fair time but antidote hard counters.

[hot vigil]

Mjah, don't think it is too bad that you bleed less and burn less quickly, you still recieve the full damage.

Also think heavy bleed (and maybe burning) should take less time to stop, it is insane how long it takes.

[hardy coral]

The guy hitting you can't count on the effect which is the whole point of the ammo.

Bringing these effects down in power but removing their counters are the best.

Since it's fair and predictable for all.

[hot vigil]

Well, they still bleed

just not as intense

[hardy coral]

Traits should just increase your strength instead of reducing your opponents.

[hot vigil]

They still burn

[hardy coral]

They don't burn vs 1 long shot though.

[hot vigil]

True true, but eh

[hardy coral]

And light bleed is so miniscule it barely matters.

[rotund obsidian]

that change was a mistake tbh but so was the oneshot ignite working up to 40 meters

[hot vigil]

True

[hardy coral]

Both are a mistake, make a middle ground.

Have incend set you alight, but with a delay you can prevent like bleeding.

[rotund obsidian]

should just be 20m but also it shouldn't deal so much instant char when you ignite

[hot vigil]

Burn is just a hard ammo to get right, bc if it doesn't burn in 1-2 hits then it is useless

Except on the bornheim

[hardy coral]

So vs any type of incend there is a timer, shorter if more damage (no timer beyond 40 metres for any) until you actually catch fire.

[hot vigil]

In my experience, incen ammo doesn't win you game, but it sure ensure the enemy doesn't either

Same with dragonsbreath

[hardy coral]

Vs non salveskin players long ammo fire is a giant pain.

[quaint cloak]

thank you for taking the time to troll out brother, probably hard to find it between lacrosse camp, airsoft league and 1 million hours of video games

but generosity is part of what makes a great community

[unborn dagger]

@bold valley Agree with almost all of your points with exception of having it drain stamina,added kick, and the deafening(Although the deafening is something I feel should be added to the Chaos Bomb). The blurred vision and added sway I think makes it strong enough without it being overpowered and knowing where you are at least.

[bold valley]

that's fair. just was trying to think of ways to give some disadvantage that could compete with full blown blindness of the OG ones, or compare to explosives that require only slightly more time to prep

[unborn dagger]

Nah you're good, like I'm in full agreement thay it needs that quick throw back because the problem with the new flashbomb is that it makes it useless since you have to go through that ENTIRE animation while something like the frag and dynamite don't need that and can throw it early before the fuse goes off.

[blissful jackal]

i totally do all those and that realy hurt my feelings, but you're welcome

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message anyone got feedback on this

[rustic timber]

@round summit I think it is an audio que. They go.. "oooh" when they wake up.

[misty pecan]

I give a solid down vote to anything involving additional movespeed over base sprint, tbh

[thin remnant]

it doesnt give additional movespeed, though?

[misty pecan]

I'm an ignorant, non-reading scumsucker. I re-read and removed my downvote.

[thin remnant]

lol thats probably one of the reasons it has so many downvotes
i agree increasing movespeed is a bit strange

[misty pecan]

But I will say, it's not likely something I'd take.

[thin remnant]

yeah tbh i didnt refine the stats much, i just like the idea of a perk to encourage creative builds

i personally enjoy that

[vital fractal]

Sprint speed may as well be increased, combine that with grey hound and determination (which already take care of movement for the game, so this is unnecessary), it’s too much

Besides, weapon switch speed? They already nerfed it once by removing quick swapping

Crytek clearly doesn’t want to increase that speed

[thin remnant]

yeah i might refine the stats i can see how they would be a bit bad

but do you think the idea of a trait that works with unfilled weapon slots would work or nah

[vital fractal]

As for vaulting quicker? Again, movement speed buff- although very very situational, this game isn’t about being quicker via perks and such

Honestly I don’t feel it adds much in theme benefit for the game

And no, I really don’t think an unfilled slot trait should be added tbh

[misty pecan]

Hm. I'm not sure what I'd take over a second weapon.

[vital fractal]

Especially stacking with quartermaster

[thin remnant]

i see all your points tbh

and also agree haha

imma stop messaging for a bit im ig

[misty pecan]

For build diversity, trying to diminish what a person brings in their loadout seems counterintuitive.

[vital fractal]

Keep up the suggestions, we all have duds here and there

[next ember]

I think some collision stuff will be fixed with the new engine.
#game-ideas message

[rustic timber]

Sure hope so.. 😛

[thin remnant]

Thanks for the constructive criticism, I appreciate when people do that instead of criticising something without saying how to improve it

[lean estuary]

I keep coming back to the idea of a weight-slot system (whatever it’s called in other games) instead of what we have now, so some of the equipment distribution stuff would seem more rational (currently 1 stick of TNT is the same size as a TNT bundle), and it would need a lot of refining but you would get many more options with more customization

It would be at least a little interesting if you could control some of the weight of your equipment and how it could effect stamina regen, base speed, footstep sound etc

[signal mural]

@thin remnant I think weapon swap speed is still a sore point for a lot of folks. As far as I know it used to be a lot shorter and they rightfully changed it.

[signal mural]

@last ferry There's too many melee variants in your suggestion, more where I would disagree than the ones where I'd agree and love to see it. Honestly I'd appreciate a Sparks Bayonet & Sparks Pistol mace more than anything.

[last ferry]

What's your thoughts on a crossbow melee variant. That was the main purpose of my suggestion was to put that concept forward. I too would like to see a melee sparks of some sort though. I have a tendency to put forward a lot of suggestions hoping at least oen of my shotgun pellet suggestions hit >.< .

Secondly i was hoping nitro melee would gain traction as i think its an undeveloped weapon tree in general and a melee variant wouldn't significantly affect nitro performance(i.e. - make it too powerful).

last, i just want a melee variant for every weapon tree so that its not a pain/loud to farm grunts with that weapon.

[signal mural]

I'd very much like to see a Crossbow bayonet - not for the hand crossbow though, only the full size.

The need to AI farm for weapon XP is way down now thanks to the new use of weapon oil and blueprints.

I really like the melee variants (except for Claws, they don't feel effective IMO) - not that they need a tweak, I just personally don't like them. Some guns don't need it because they are already CQC dominant - like the Rival.

I think most 1-shot weapons should get a melee variant.

[snow cipher]

Honestly I like the overall concept of the whole idea. I disagree with the people saying the concept is bad overall, I just did not like the vault speed increase tbh. Great idea though!

[floral nova]

@tiny cobalt #game-ideas message
in fp games it's normal to have a long range for melee weapons. I never thought about the pvp aspect of this thing. I think all melee weapons have a long range, longer than realistic. This is done to be better perceived from the first person camera, with that close fov and flat projection.

Do we have some data about the other weapons?

[empty oasis]

@floral nova #game-ideas message

Are you suggesting a change to the current poison bomb or a whole new consumable?

[floral nova]

oh, sorry for the confusion

I've fixed. Thanks for the input.

it's a new bomb, that explodes. The current one it's more of a vial.

@thin remnant #game-ideas message
I like the idea of stimulating new loadouts. This would work well if there was the option to drop a weapon in game. Maybe it could trigger only if you have just a 1 or 2 slot weapon, not with a 3 slot weapon. You could go around with just a bow or a centennial shorty, or an uppercut precision. If it's too strong, then only for just one 1 slot weapon.
I wouldn't speed up the weapon switch animation, but I'd grant an effect similar to grayhound, that would stack with grayhound.
I'd probably add an effect proposed by someone else already: carry more ammos.

[junior crane]

10 m poison area? Are you insane? What is that for?

[floral nova]

as I've written, it's not as a 10m poison bomb

it lasts less and does way less damage

[junior crane]

then it's only gonna make it a big nuissance

@thin remnant #game-ideas message
I really like Light Packer idea. Trading weapon slots for speed is great, just gotta tweak those numbers

[floral nova]

can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean

@signal mural #game-ideas message hey, I use the poison bomb and I confirm kills with it 😂

[signal mural]

The hand crossbow's poison bolt is more effective and longer lasting I believe.

[floral nova]

yes, but I usually carry a pistol

I'm not sure about the lasting time

[signal mural]

The c. bomb is way more reliable in confirming kills than the poison bomb.

[floral nova]

c bomb =?

[signal mural]

Corcentina bomb

[floral nova]

isn't the concertina shorter in throw range?

I use the gas to get through walls, or at least trees

[signal mural]

It has a pretty high arc but not as bad as big Dynamite bundles

[floral nova]

I like that to remove a gas cloud you have to use a choke think, but for the concertina you just need to take damage or use some melee cutting weapons

[signal mural]

Fire bombs are also more effective and also cost efficient.

[junior crane]

Being poisoned is annoying enough. Being spammed with big poisonous clouds in the building gonna be annoying as f***

[floral nova]

you're right

[floral nova]

its basically the effect proposed for the re-rework of the flashbang

maybe the poisoned effect should be reworked too

[junior crane]

what's poison bomb got to do with the flash bomb?
BTW, that proposed re-rework of the flashbomb makes it into stunbomb, basically, lol

[floral nova]

hasn't a flash bang also a bang?

I'd love to have all explosions to make your ears ring if you're close, but people may find it annoying 😅

[junior crane]

I love myself some PTSD

[floral nova]

btw my idea is to prevent healing and green+blur just a bit the vision

right now poison is too strong on vision

[thin remnant]

this, i've wanted this for a while.

[junior crane]

Insurgency: Showdown

@signal mural #game-ideas message
The flashlight needs brightness buff. And the spyglass needs ability to gauge distance.

[floral nova]

I loved insurgency

[signal mural]

Yeah when you have real tinitus and games make fake tinitus noises... It can be excruciating.

[signal mural]

Yeah, I have seen these suggestions too. While both would make sense, I don't think either tweak would make the tool to be justifiable over traps, decoys, or derringers...

I think they could be tweaked and still made into a universal equipment piece.

[junior crane]

you're right

[signal mural]

I guess the biggest concern for most players are Legendary skins that they own for these nearly useless relics... which shouldn't be a real issue because you could still select a skin for them even in a base-kit way.

Or if they were removed the Blood Bonds could be reimbursed like when Summons had a Premium slot that got reimbursed when the system was overhauled back to a Weekly Challenges system.

[floral nova]

it could be implemented as a low pass filter + reverb

[signal mural]

@floral nova BBs - Blood Bonds - no longer have anything to do with Traits or their removal - so your new suggestion is confusing.

I think you mean Trait Points.

[floral nova]

oh, jeez, I was thinking about trait points 😂

thanks

[floral nova]

I don't understand why people are contrary to this #game-ideas message :\ Someone could please explain?

[tiny cobalt]

Currently, the katana outclasses the rest of all other melee weapons, and thus would be fine with a nerf anyways. Additionally the difference in the range vs the visual is not just some tiny little difference between first and third person, it can hit more than a second katana length away. Since the range vs visual difference is so ridiculously high, the katana regardless of first person view provides poor gameplay for those playing against it as they are given extremely false information on their safety from it by the game. For your idea about checking the range of other melee weapons, you need not look any further than the katana itself, all of its attacks have realistic range except for the one enabled by martialist.

[thin remnant]

Same, why not add it it's just a nice qol feature that has no negative impacts at all.

[signal mural]

Well then there's no point to even getting random traits with a Legendary Hunter, they could just give us Trait points to distribute how we desire. That would however probably lead to an overall lower trait point value being standardized. Not to mention when you Prestige certain traits are inaccessible other than through the RNG of trait generation on Legendary Recruitments.

It's also nice to learn to create builds around random skills and adapt to the Hunter. It's just a tiny part of Hunt's allure IMO - adapt or die. It may seem like a QoL change but maybe it's chipping away at some ground ideology that keeps Hunt a little unique, a little more harsh. Maybe I am just over-thinking it though and people just don't like change 😛

[floral nova]

Maybe I've explained myself not well. The base traits you character gets, cannot be sold for 100%, but like they are now, for -1 TP.

To be honest, I like the random traits and don't like the fact that we can sell the initial traits. During the event I always played with the same exact traits set, buying legendary hunters. That was also because of the peacekeeper being OP.

[signal mural]

Ah I didn't see the edit and the bit about 'not a starting trait'... Yeah then I don't know.

[floral nova]

I've added a bold tag

meybe it's clearer now with the bold. Sadly there's no underscoring 😄

[hardy coral]

Yeah but all of the melee sucks so why not have one good one?

[floral nova]

I really don't like to be killed by katanas

that's why

😂

[hot vigil]

Katana is stupid overtuned compared to other melee weapons.
having a screenwide (even beyond your vision), 3m reaching, no stamina attack is a little too much of an overkill.
Not only does the Katana make any other melee choice obsolete, but it is so easy to use that it have made CQC a very unfun engagement zone in my opinion.

[hardy coral]

Yeah, first melee that actually does something (that doesn't steal 3 slots from you) is good in CQC. The weapon slot melees should've always been about that strong.

[hot vigil]

Saber used to be meta

But naw, melee are good because they shred bosses

And don't think they need to have the same sweet spot reach for killing as a handcannon.

[hardy coral]

Even the shortest range handcannon kills to 7 metres and the lemat shotty 5.

[signal mural]

Katana feels horrible.

[hot vigil]

7 meters if lucky

But well, eventually people are gonna learn the stupid reach of the katana and it gonna be whole lot more painful for everyone.

[signal mural]

Too quick, too little stamina drain, too much reach, over extended hit region, and OHK with a light attack...

[hot vigil]

Yeah, sure the axe also have OHK on light, but like... it is slow

Katana is just a little jab

[signal mural]

Yeah and it is quicker than everything else that melees... except maybe a repost slash but that doesn't have the damage to kill usually.

[hot vigil]

Yeah + Katana gets a stab too

Like it can do everything

And is just too easy to use

[signal mural]

I think Rivals have become the safest pick now for shotgunners due to the katana.

[hot vigil]

Just for the quick follow up?

[signal mural]

Yeah.

I feel way more likely to kill a katana user with either Rival or levering a Terminus.

[floral nova]

@stark crystal #game-ideas message how is it now?

I think that removing sound clues in a game that's based on them it's a bad idea.

in cod mw2 it was a bad idea

[dusky tapir]

When jumping, your hunter will now always play the relevant voice cue

Lightfoot still makes dropping from low heights and climbing ladders functionally silent

I also cannot take a Mosin Nagant round to the chest without a ballistic vest on.

It was easier to abuse

Lightfoot still allows me to pull off insane flank maneuvers combined with kiteskin

The iron works chimney drop is now basically silent with the lightfoot sound trap buff

Not with kiteskin. 😉

Other than the "hup" on jumping Lightfoot has remained the same, and got the ability to make floor sound trap silent

[floral nova]

this is nonsense

[floral nova]

what sound trap? The alarm trap?

[floral nova]

its getting worse 😂

[rotund obsidian]

what? kiteskin just cuts the damage in half, the threshold to take damage is still the same

[dusky tapir]

I'll test it again, falling damage acts omega funky in game

without traits it's 10-20hp damage fall , if you end up making noise due to flinching I'm going to be very upset

[rotund obsidian]

alas, even one damage is enough to make your hunter grunt in pain

[dusky tapir]

yeah if it turns out you do flinch because of 1 damage I'm honestly going to be angry

[floral nova]

it's bad both for realism and for gameplay imho not to emit sounds

[dusky tapir]

realism is besides the point, and gameplay abuse is why the jumping grunt was reinstated.

[signal mural]

There's a mattress at the bottom of the iron work's chimney... so no one takes damage dropping in

[next ember]

I've always wondered that. A battle hardened bounty hunter screams every time they jump or throw even the lightest attack

[hardy coral]

For obvious game play reasons, the game is heavily about sound.

[sand kiln]

you still taking damage from that

and pray they don't hear you falling

[thin remnant]

If I'm lugging around super heavy guns and equipment, yeah, I might be a bit noisy

[blissful jackal]

i loved silent bhopping but it was super strong

[blissful jackal]

it doesnt work like that

[thin remnant]

Imo kiteskin is too strong for its trait cost

[hot vigil]

From fighting, to tennis, to many other sports it seems like humans makes noise when they are exerting themselves.

[thin remnant]

Especially if you're carrying all that gear that you do in hunt, that'll make it harder to jump.

Plus lightfoot already quiets vaults, so there's almost no reason it needs to quiet jumping unless you plan on abusing it and csgo bhopping everywhere

[vital fractal]

Me using pre-patch kiteskin to stop waking up my neighbors when I’m competitively straight jorqin it at 3:12am

[sterile beacon]

I like that they’re implementing ping limits for region hopping but I don’t like the idea of complete region locking, I get why they decided on it but I’ve got friends I play with from Australia and they only play when I’m on because if they try to play on their own time it’s almost impossible for them to find a match because the Oceania server population is abysmal

[thin remnant]

Really? I play in OCE and have no problem getting games unless I'm playing monday morning or something

[sterile beacon]

I dunno they’ve always told me that they’re lucky to get a match before the matchmaking bar fills out but maybe it’s gotten better

[thin remnant]

whenever i play i usually have to queue twice but its not that bad. When the bar is about to fill I cancel and requeue so I don't get an empty server

like we dont get matches instantly but its not that bad

there are some times though where you just gotta give up and play another game

[floral nova]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiai u.u

[floral nova]

they didn't announce region locking. They said that if you have too high ping you won't be able to play. So if you have not so high ping you can region hop. In that case they will aggregate similar pings, from my understanding.

[sterile beacon]

I thought they did guess I’ll have to go watch that video back

[rotund obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-meme-when-the-imposter-is-sus-gif-26055914

[next ember]

Yes, that exists. but just because it exists that doesnt mean you should use it. If I were a bounty hunter that needed to be stealthy I would not start screaming to jump or do a takedown. Also, that applies for physical attacks where that bit of strength matters. When it comes to stabbing something with a knife, its not going to be much help

[floral nova]

real life pvp would consist mainly on camping, shooting from prone position and afar. That's boring for a vg.

[next ember]

yeah ik but why do hunters have to scream so loud 💀

[tribal wyvern]

@round summit
They could add something like gasping for air or taking a deep breath as you stand up.
Would make sense if you were out cold for minutes.

[hoary widget]

Its not about the bounty.. its about sending a message

[next ember]

i guess :P

[prisma basin]

@round summit I know you probably meant something appropriate for the game. But my mind immediately went to me standing over a body and then this loud foghorn going off just before he gets back up. But I agree a louder sound than the normal revive sounds would be nice

[hoary widget]

@vernal canyon #game-ideas message this would outright replace the rival. No.

As much as i like the m30 drilling and similar weapons it would just replace the rival. The drilling we have rn is good.

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message bro just give it a lower firerate or smth, doesnt need the same stats

[west grail]

Guys I think we really should step up and stand up against the ping limitations. I have friends I've met on hunt from all over the world and not being able to play with them would be a disaster. I know I'm far from being the only one like that. Lets make our voices heard.

P.S. I have 1200+ hours in the game and even though I have encountered them pesky asian hackers, they have not been enough of a problem to not be able to play with my friends to get rid of them.

[thin remnant]

If you make a post in feedback or suggestions ideas I'll reply to it agreeing with it and thumbs it up 🙂

[thin remnant]

i personally dont have problems with ping limits, but ill definetely agree. just make sure not to be too drastic about it, try to find something people will agree with

[queen jungle]

Thing is, make the fire rate slower, it'll be pointless to use, make the fire rate same as current drilling, it'd be stupid strong.

[thin remnant]

why would it be pointless

shotguns can one shot you know that right

[queen jungle]

If it ends up having the cycle rate of like a specter, then yeah.

[thin remnant]

but it has an underbarrel rifle..

[hot vigil]

Long Barrel Rival with a Medium shot?

I mean, sure

[queen jungle]

That rifle wouldn't mean much at all.

[hot vigil]

Nope

[queen jungle]

It's just a single drilling shot.

[thin remnant]

then buff it

[hot vigil]

I would just run it with slugs for some old times Rival Nitro days

[thin remnant]

bro by this logic the base is useless cause "It's just a worse nitro with a single romero shot"

[queen jungle]

It's got nothing to do with the rifle part.

I'm saying if you make the cycle time like a specter or something, it'd be meaningless to take.

[thin remnant]

why?????????

[queen jungle]

Especially when you know it'll cost a good amount and drilling is already not picked as much due to the price.

[thin remnant]

ok but can you like, you know, explain

like you do when you have an opinion

[queen jungle]

I can fire several rounds with a specter, whereas this theoretical drilling would fire at the same time but 2 rounds.

[thin remnant]

you explain why

[queen jungle]

Why would you bother.

[thin remnant]

BUT IT HAS A RIFLE UNDERBARREL LMAO

[hot vigil]

A long double barrel shotgun (with a rifle shot) would effectively kill Romero and Rival in one swoop.

[queen jungle]

That literally wouldn't be a core component of the rifle.

[thin remnant]

so youre telling me the sparks is useless

[thin remnant]

Explain why not

[queen jungle]

This point you're trying to establish is not making sense.

[queen jungle]

Yeah, this.

If it fires how the drilling currently does, it'd be broken.

[hot vigil]

The rifle shot would be extra thing, but not relevant due to how utterly good the double long barrel shotgun would be.

[thin remnant]

just make the db shotgun worse and let the rifle shot be the upside

[queen jungle]

Assuming you down the cycle time to another shotgun, what would the benefit be when you're spending way more instead of just grabbing a cheap shotgun and a good sidearm.

[hot vigil]

Issue is either it is gonna be better than romero and rival or just better than rival.

[queen jungle]

Long barrel double shot shotgun, not a great idea.

[hot vigil]

Even if they made it medium barrel it would still just be a better rival.

Especially bc Crytek insists to give every shotgun slugs per default

If it was "Rival with a rifle, but you cannot get slugs"

[queen jungle]

Yeah then you can take the rifle part into consideration, it just would misplace other weapons or not have a place itself.

[hot vigil]

Maybe then

[queen jungle]

I'm hesitant on new gun suggestions because I try to think how they fill a niche, would they displace other weapons or not.

Displacing other weapons is just unhealthy.

Don't get me wrong, it would be fun, but it'd be powerful af.

[hot vigil]

Yeah, honestly rn we just need a major balance overhaul before adding new weapons

[queen jungle]

100%.

[signal mural]

I just keep wondering when Volcanics are gonna join the arsenal.

[hot vigil]

I know this sounds like heresy.
But if we normalized damage somewhat, but keeping (most) guns, despite ammo type, in the 110-120 damage range, hunt would be much healthier with more room to make weapons.
Take the Krag, if it dealt 115 damage it would still have the advantage over a Winnie or Marathon at distance, but not be a pocket shotgun when people are down a bar.

[hot vigil]

Can only see it added as a tool akin to Derringer.

[queen jungle]

I do see a lot of people talk about reducing damage for long ammo rifles but I feel like it'd be received with a lot of backlash too.

[hot vigil]

Sure, people hate losing their very easy toys

[queen jungle]

I feel like maybe they should look at changing how health functions instead.

I believe it was mentioned they'd be looking at something like this? could be wrong though.

[hot vigil]

I think the 125 damage chest shot is not even the worst aspect of long ammo.
But how a mosin can 2-tap arms at 60m or a Krag can 2-tap upper body at 116m.

It is a very lenient ammo type if you can just hit somewhat good.

At 100m a Mosin, even if you run big bars only, which risky bc 125 damage to chest, an arm hit requires you to use a medkit.

[signal mural]

I think it would fit into the regular single handed pistol group... but levering seems cheesy with akimbo pistols... but then their RoF would probably not be realistic... It seems like they might end up being a punchier bornheim with a slightly slower RoF and accuracy.

[hot vigil]

Issue is that historically, Volcanic Pistol was shitass weak, with reporting of people surviving chest shots bc they wore a winter coat.
So in Hunt's context we talking Derringer (or even worse) caliber of shots.

[steel comet]

In most shooter games I've played, pistols are literal pea shooters and derringer is stronger than them in comparison

(I'm glad pistols are actually viable in this game)

[signal mural]

Derringer or weaker would be quite shite...

[steel comet]

Compact pistols used to be derringer level in damage

[thin remnant]

make it do fire damage because it's volcanic [joking]

[steel comet]

It's own volcano bullets

[thin remnant]

that could be a thing though maybe the volcanic pistol is like a worse damage derringer but it can hold custom ammo idk sounds like a bit of a stretch could be pretty strong too lol

[hot vigil]

Just think it would be fine as a "distance shooter" derringer, with the options to lever.

[steel comet]

Wouldn't make it that special. In reality if it isn't a straight upgrade type of ammo like FMJ or HV it's hard to contest

[thin remnant]

sounds cool, kinda like a head tapper derringer but not as good in a pinch and bad body shot dmg

[signal mural]

KEEY - there's been some pretty cheap additions the last 6mnths... Marathon, RxR, bat, True Shot

[hot vigil]

Eyup, with better sights.

[steel comet]

Poison, incen tends to be the "quest" ammo types to progress events.

Did I miss something

[hot vigil]

Hopefully not anymore 😌

[steel comet]

Well they've technically buffed those ammo types multiple times and it's still not very competitive

[thin remnant]

Isn't poison really good?

i see so many people run it

and theres that poison sense trait

[steel comet]

On sparks maybe

[hot vigil]

Incen on long is a pain tho

[steel comet]

Id rather run incen on sparks nowaday with half normal ammo over poison

People burning even illuminate through walls

[signal mural]

Poison is garbage compared to all the others.

[thin remnant]

this is my favourite thing about using fire ammo lol
killed my friend in shooting range a few times with it using starshell

[steel comet]

They are a big glowing target

[queen jungle]

Incen is just more effective and a lot of people in higher mmr run antidote shots making poison less viable.

[steel comet]

But if you're running weapons that can't swap ammo types on the go, then I'd never run something that can't penetrate a fence

[thin remnant]

didnt incendiary used to be considered weak

[hot vigil]

Yes, but then the lower the hits to burn from 3 to 2

• long ammo burn at 40m or less

[queen jungle]

They made it stronger yeah.

[steel comet]

Almost a year ago they buffed incen

Or maybe it was exactly a year ago

[queen jungle]

So if you hit someone within 40m with a sparks incen, you'll ignite them on first shot unless salveskin.

[thin remnant]

i hadnt played in ages so yeah

[queen jungle]

It's pretty wild.

Also yknow, being able to detonate barrels instantly.

[thin remnant]

thats crazy what

[thin remnant]

#starshellbestammo

[steel comet]

I've died to that once in many many hours

[hot vigil]

ngl getting a little sick of incen/dragonsbreath.
I rarely lose to the people using them, but they make so I cannot fight the next fight.

[thin remnant]

#igenuinelykindalikestarshellirunitonlemat

[queen jungle]

Rival db scares me. 😔

2 good shots off that, worst case scenario, you're 1 bar and downed.

[steel comet]

In reality if they didn't run DB they would more than likely just one tap you on first shot

[steel comet]

But yeah it's annoying surviving those fights

[queen jungle]

True but erasing bars completely knocks someone out a fight.

Or a match outside an event.

[queen jungle]

Wtf was going on here? 😭

Random afk dude.

[steel comet]

😭

[hot vigil]

QP moments

[queen jungle]

What in the hell.

[steel comet]

Typically though you're more likely to run into DB/incen during events thanks to challenges

[queen jungle]

Was that the afk guy in the end flopping dead.

😭

[steel comet]

In my experience at least

Think so

[hot vigil]

That too

[queen jungle]

Amazing.

[hot vigil]

But yeah, burning is a weird place imo.

It rarely wins fights and just knocks the winning team out of the match.

[queen jungle]

There's too much fire. 😔

[steel comet]

When I run DB myself i get like pretty much 10 out of 10 situations where normal ammo would've been better (buckshot)

But it's funny

[hot vigil]

Exactly my point

[queen jungle]

I use the db more at range myself to just ignite them, follow up with secondary to wallbang or one tap at distance.

DB has stupid ignition range.

[steel comet]

I do try for that. They ignite far away

But I can't help myself also to do shotgun pushes with it

[queen jungle]

Specter isn't too bad for it imo.

Pushes that is with db.

[steel comet]

My first dragonsbreath Bomblance game, I ignited someone super far away

And then wallbanged them

[queen jungle]

I believe it has the highest db damage but could be wrong.

Maybe romero by a bit? I'd have to check.

[steel comet]

I was like, wtf this is crazy ignite range

[queen jungle]

Yeah, even on rival db, it has insane range.

[analog sigil]

Dragonbreath is trading an instakill for funny fire damage

[steel comet]

I need to play some rival db

I'm such a sucker for slugs though (don't judge me)

[queen jungle]

db does have its ups if you want to make sure someone is knocked out a fight even better than just downing them once.

[steel comet]

Rival slugs and ammo boxes

[queen jungle]

Leaving them one tap to everyone or even leaving them with a single bar.

Not used rival slugs much, rival buck has been my shift + w into a compound shotgun.

Would be nice if they just gave rival slugs 2/6.

2/5 is so weird.

[steel comet]

Yeah but I don't mind with the slug ammo box buff.

You get 5 back

When I've used 5 slugs, I use my ammo box, ready to take those funny double tap shots

[hot vigil]

Yeah, not sure if I like the ammo box atm, so many games with people who just have long ammo/spitzer and never runs outta them.

[steel comet]

Well that's what they did before except they also ammo stacked with ammo box or without ammo box.

Wasn't uncommon to see mosin spitzer with obrez spitzer

Ammo availability is high in the game and always have been. There's tons of ammo pickups on each compound and sometimes you can even find in-between compounds.

There's also the "steal" your opponents ammo function too.

[hot vigil]

Yeah, it is just, well... a lot of bullets

And for how strong long ammo is

it just seems like they don't have a real downside

[steel comet]

Agreed

The first thing you do and same thing your opponents do when they wipe your team is they go over your bodies and steal your long ammo. Topped up for next fight

[hot vigil]

Again, all for just nerfin the damage on them, then they can have the bullets they have rn.
But currently they are clearly not limited as you just see people spam wall-bangs to catch the stray headshot.

[thin remnant]

I wouldn't mind this being added. I too am a sucker for budget loadouts #game-ideas message

@rustic timber

[hoary widget]

Considering the way Hunt players like to be stubborn and set in their ways everything that changes the dry status quo will be met with backlash lol

They're like old people

[vital fractal]

A drilling shotgun version would just be a better rival

So what would the point of adding it be?

[analog sigil]

To have a shotgun drilling?

[queen jungle]

Not always been.

[vital fractal]

hunts arsenal is relatively balanced on weapons having a niche and trying to not so blatantly one up one another whilst still having some general form of hierarchy

People see the same arsenal, miss that entire point, then just go “gun cool, add it”

Yes we can all agree guns can be very cool, and yes seeing lesser-common weapons in games can be great- but when you get into the realities of it, messing with the balance of the game for no reason other than “it’s cool” leads to ruining the game over time

Weapon/Ammo bloat and player powercreep is a consistent issue the devs in the game fail to really contain and suggestions from the community like this add to it

[analog sigil]

Then explain how nagant officer is balanced with nagant, how bornheim is balanced with dolch, how ironside is balanced with mosin etc

[vital fractal]

Nagant basic - literal starter pistol, what else to say? Considered the lowest in all stats bar fanning/alts

Nagant officer - when hunt started as an original gun, determined to be a higher rate of fire gun version of the Nagant to add some fire power (in context of the game now also acts as a node towards unique variants with unique forms of play) a straight upgrade? Only if you choose base versions or have the cash- still has pros and cons beyond price compared to base but is a precision focused, high ammo option

Bornheim - used to be 2 tap apparently, was nerfed and now covers a whole different niche than the dolch being basic compact + potentially silent or the highest rof semi auto pistol available with a carbine 2 slot variant and quick top off or clip reloads unlike any other pistol (bar swifts even then, top off is unique)

Dolch - top of the pistol hierarchy and defined by unique special ammo only, precision variant enforces this and solidifies position with large magazine capacity and decent reserve

Iron side - modification of a base rifle with high ammo output at the cost of severe vision restriction, very slow reloads and (if you care) glacial muzzle velocity’s with ammo options optimized for shorter ranges

Mosin - King of the long ammo archetype due to amazing overall stats, easy handling, and quick reloads- the variants are insane and typically best of class for most situations, reflects what “modern” means for 1895 era weaponry

All are balanced because they occupy different use cases with maybe some overlap but clearly different means of handling and play styles in mind, can you use any weapon for any case? Sure, should you? Only if you don’t care (which is fine, just don’t do that with randoms please lol)

All you stated have a place in the game that don’t directly have an upgrade over the other in every situation beyond just utilizing cost for main reason

A drilling shotgun would be a long barrel rival with just higher cost, and maybe MAYBE

Slightly worse spread for “balance” but the long barrel would negate that

Hence, just being an upgrade for money

[hot vigil]

Nagant have Silenced and Precision variants.
Bornheim was added to bridge the gap between Dolch and well, non-Dolch guns.
And Ironside is a repeating long ammo rifle that cost 1/3 the price of a Mosin with the drawback of low MV and a Toaster on its side.

[vital fractal]

Even the Avtomat and nitro, despite being the “best guns” in hunt still aren’t the best guns in reality since they have niches too and can be considered worse in more than few situations due to their own realities

And I didn’t even touch the ammos available to reinforce roles

[hot vigil]

And yes we can talk back and forth on how well balanced these weapons are, but that is another topic, but they have all have their own role and identity.

But adding a Shotgun Drilling, if long barrel, just gonna be better romero AND better rival.
If you make it medium barrel it will "just" be better rival.
And most of that comes down to how little wiggle room the shotgun designs have in this game.

[analog sigil]

So what, make it 450$

Then its a rival with an additional shot for added 300$

[hot vigil]

That is not how the current Drilling works.

It ain't just a "romero with Springfield shots".
It have less damage than springy and worse spread and damage than a romero.

So it does trade-off of both the weapons it competes with.

A rival is alread the lowest a medium barrel shotgun can go.

You cannot really make a "worse rival".

[vital fractal]

sees how guns are balanced beyond just cost

”just use cost to balance it out”

[analog sigil]

You have contradicted yourself saying that weapons balanced by cost are fine and that it is also unacceptable and that no weapons in hunt are balanced by cost

Thats crazy

[hot vigil]

Cost is a balancing factor, but cannot be the sole one.

Like we cannot make a sparks that deals 500 damage, but cost 5000 HD or takes 15 seconds to reload.

So if your solution is "make it cost 450 $" then there ain't much balance taken into your consideration.

[hardy coral]

It's more for setting out weapon tiers

[analog sigil]

Cost is a balancing factor because guns are based on real world designs and ultimately some of those are worse than other

[hot vigil]

Yes, a factor, but not the sole point.

[analog sigil]

Do you know how factors work

[hardy coral]

I think every single gun (except the regular nagant) has a niche role at the least regardless of price.

[hot vigil]

Yes, but as I said: ..if your solution is "make it cost 450 $" then there ain't much balance taken into your consideration.

[hardy coral]

There are situations or strategies where I'd prefer a Martini over a Lebel.

[analog sigil]

Its a balancing factor on an otherwise immutable thing

[hardy coral]

Maybe they'll tweak the economy with the update but right now it's honestly okay.

[hot vigil]

Yes, but even other "pricier better guns" still have ups and downsides compared to their cheaper competitors.

[analog sigil]

Not really

[hardy coral]

They do.

The Romero is still the longest range shotgun despite being the cheapest.

[hot vigil]

Going back to the other point:
"...we can talk back and forth on how well balanced these weapons are, but that is another topic, but they have all have their own role and identity."

[hardy coral]

In close range the romero actually has the advantage against all others (unless slugs) in one tap range. You can kill a guy before he can kill you.

[analog sigil]

So you say a nagant officer and a officer brawler have their own identities

Thats a great point

[hot vigil]

That is within its own tree.

[analog sigil]

So?

[hot vigil]

And yes, melee variants did use to come with a downside to them.

[hardy coral]

Variants slightly change a weapon, the nagant officer vs new army vs spitfire vs dolch all have their upsides and downsides regardless of price.

[analog sigil]

How crazy is it to think that changing a weapon from 1 shot two bullets to two shot 1 bullet isnt a variant

[hot vigil]

@charred leaf Sorry if I'm a little rude, but where do we have larva and slugs in this game?

[analog sigil]

Now what would be game breaking would be a tri drilling with 3 long ammo but this is just a slight reorder of barrels

[hot vigil]

Because a Officer to an Officer brawler ain't gonna make New Army null.

[analog sigil]

New army is practically useless next to officer

[hot vigil]

That is a point about balance and opinion, but the brawler doesn't make new army more or less null.

[analog sigil]

But the officer does

[charred leaf]

The meathead is infected by larva, they poison u

[hot vigil]

Same as the swift doesn't make the officer obsolete.

[hot vigil]

Ah yes, the leeches.

[hardy coral]

No it isn't.

[analog sigil]

You are arguing on empty grounds

No logic supports your statements

[hot vigil]

So are you?

[charred leaf]

Sorry if I don't use the right word..

[analog sigil]

Not unless your literacy is flawed

[hot vigil]

No worries, just couldn't think what you were refering too

[hardy coral]

The New Army and Officer have different stats, one is not better than the other overall but in different roles.

[hot vigil]

Such as the new army dealing more damage than the officer and actually enabling 2-tapping to the lower torso.

[hardy coral]

If you want velocity you go Officer, if you want damage, fire rate and FMJ go New Army.

[hot vigil]

And better recoil

[hardy coral]

Different recoil.

I've been overall more comfortable with the officer since I used it for longer.

[hot vigil]

True

[hardy coral]

Different sights too, sights are rarely better or worse than others.

[hot vigil]

But yeah, saying that the officer is "better than new army" is not to understand what the two guns does differently.

[hardy coral]

Spitfire also, not better than either. Same for Dolch (before they added FMJ to it)

[hot vigil]

It is fair to think that you don't see the upsides of what a New Army does is relevant, but that is something else.

Officer can ONLY 2-tap to the upper chest.
New Army can Arm + Upper chest and lower + lower chest.

[signal mural]

@charred leaf Honestly if every player could pick and choose what they see or don't see through some in game filter the developers would be busy completely neutering the vision of the game. I have seen arachnophobia filter requests, necrophobia, no dead horses requested, no religious symbolism, no self-harm imagery (this one actually got put through)...

At some point I think - especially in a 6y.o. game- it is safe to say maybe it's just not their thing. There's plenty of games out there.

There are enough maggot ridden bodies littering the bayou that even if the Meatheads leeches looked like fuzzy willie-worms the team would have a lot more work for the personal comforts of a few.

[frozen crater]

They have the same fire rate tho, no?

[hot vigil]

As far I am aware yes, but you can argue that new army lessened recoil gives it a higher effective rof

[hardy coral]

New Army is actually slightly quicker

So perfect starts you'd kill the other guy first.

[frozen crater]

I know their stats say the same fire rate, but I also know the updated stats have some slight discrepencies as well

[hot vigil]

Except if the officer hits arm, then it needs 3 shots to kill.
Army 2 tap that still

[frozen crater]

That's more a matter of opinion since the officer seems to have less visual recoil but higher weapon sway after shots. Different people handle different types of recoil more effectively

[hot vigil]

Oh for me it feels like narmy have less visual recoil.

[frozen crater]

It's hard to quantify and goes based more on feeling, so I would say that it differs per person

Also, the officer had better ammo economy with it having an extra round in the cylinder and 2 extra bullets in reserve

Dum dum also practically gives the officer a 2 shot via an arm shot + upper body shot by way of the bleed killing the person very quickly iirc

[signal mural]

Doesn't the N. Army have a shorter effective range?

[frozen crater]

It has a better effective range then the officer with its base damage bring 97, and the officers being 91

[signal mural]

Really? I knew it did more DMG but I thought it had a drop off well below the officer.

[frozen crater]

They're both compact ammo with similar base damage, so the drop-off rate really shouldn't be that different from one another

I could be wrong because I haven't seen how they drop off beyond 20m in quite some time, but it seems unintuative to think the na drops off harder after 20m

(To the point where it has less effective headahot range)

[hot vigil]

But NArmy have better bullet efficiency and kill potentional within 20m.

So you can argue it saves more bullets that way

[frozen crater]

Wouldn't the officer have greater bullet efficiency within 20m, because if you're using it optimally, you're only using 2 bullets to kill someone out it's total of 21?

So the new army has a greater chance to 2 tap, yes, but overall it has lower potential ammo efficiency than the officer within 20m depending on the user

[hardy coral]

New Army is just goated because swift plus FMJ.

Lets you kill people much more effectively up close, where you'll be using that sidearm.

[frozen crater]

I really really want to like the swift but I just cant

[hardy coral]

The gun handles funny, I understand, but the fast reload and FMJ makes it crazy up close.

[frozen crater]

you already plow through so much ammo with its rof, and combined with the fact that fmj is custom ammo AND it has the lowest ammo count of all compact pistols (6 + 12), losing ammo with the swift feels awful

[hardy coral]

Nagant is denied by cover, New Army isn't.

[frozen crater]

Dont get me wrong I love its handling, I just dont like the new armys ammo economy

[hardy coral]

You can run it with a gun that just has it as a situational backup or with a gun that needs an ammo box too.

Like if I were running Sparks or Martini I wouldn't use new army swift, or really new army. But with Lebel easily.

[next ember]

@charred leaf #feedback message

What if people are arachnophobic? What if people are hemophobic? You could make that argument for every game. If you are afraid of something in a game, I'd stay away from it or not play the game; thats usually what I do

[frozen crater]

but the officer is just as powerful when it comes to being a situational backup, if not more so since you switch to it faster and it has the benefit of having knuckles to kill ai and free up an equipment slot

I love the new army, but I think it needs an ammo economy buff to seriously contend with the officer brawler

[hardy coral]

I think it's fine since it has FMJ. You could maybe give it 3 more shots so they're both 21 rounds.

[frozen crater]

thats what I was thinking internally

the ammo distribution would be weird with the swift at that point, but it really needs more shots to be able to take advantage of fmj

the officer vs new army debate also really forces me to question why Crytek hasnt normalized pistol swap speeds at this point

[hardy coral]

Or just normalised swap speeds and fixed animations.

[frozen crater]

its absurd that switching to newer pistols is like 20% slower than swapping to a day 1 pistol

[hardy coral]

The Nagant animation is still broke, no?

[frozen crater]

the swap animation?

[hardy coral]

Where it just sort of spins in your hand and dissapears.

[frozen crater]

Im sure thats intentional

when swapping to the nagant you do a twirl also

and you can see that twirl in 3rd person also

[hardy coral]

The animation honestly looks crap first person.

[frozen crater]

ok so apparently you only have a twirl in the third person when swapping to it, but you have a twirl in both third and first when swapping to duelie officers

[charred leaf]

Oh I completely agree with your meaning, I know that the developers have a lot of work, especially with the arrival of the graphics update!

my feedback is a simple request, my girlfriend can't stand leeches, it's a shame for her. If they can fix it one day, that's great. Otherwise it won't stop me from throwing away my social life to go to the bayou ❤️

[charred leaf]

I know it seems like a trivial thing, almost useless. This does not prevent my feedback from being legitimate. it represents an additional workload. But if it is graphics options, it would only concern phobics people. my feedback is only a long-term request for possible inclusion.

[analog sigil]

Phobias arent an permanent thing

[next ember]

Yes but you understand that there are a lot of phobias. This isnt something that is going to happen. As for the validity of the feedback, I guess? But showing different players completely different assets is quite dangerous in a game considering how many phobias there are. If they were to do the more popular ones, that would involve changing pretty important assets

[next ember]

Usually yeah. In some severe cases it can be, but there is usually treatment for that

[analog sigil]

The most common way people forget their phobias is through exposure

[next ember]

and exposure therapy works surprisingly well too so true

[tiny pivot]

Sadly a lot of people come into this server wanting to have the accessibility and a lot of people just disregard it

It’s not a matter of choice or exposure therapy, having the accessibility to say “oh yeah I don’t wanna see that” it’s important

[next ember]

not every condition can be considered, its simply too unrealistic

[tiny pivot]

Will hunt actually enact any of these? No, probably not. But functionally, if the leeches were just non descript cylinders, or if the horses were replaced with other noise traps (someone asked about this previously), does it really make that much of a difference? Also no

Yeah, it’s not realistic to change everything for every phobia or issue

But I am not a personal fan of when people disregard these things as nothing when I’m sure everyone wouldn’t mind if they did a similar function for the grotesque spider

But also, it’s weird, if you can deal with a majority of hunt’s grotesque nature, the little things are kind of questionable

[next ember]

said grotesque nature is part of the game's style

if you don't like the style of the game then... not sure what to say

[analog sigil]

If they dont want to see that they can choose to not play

[tiny pivot]

Well I agree, but also there’s a lot more to it than just not playing

[vital fractal]

Changing the artistic style of game 100% does matter

[tiny pivot]

You will still die to the same mosin dolch combo whether the leeches are leeches or literally a single speck of a texture

[vital fractal]

I mean a games entire aesthetic and design literally can be replaced sure

But that takes away from character and enjoy-ability of the game that was set forth from the beginning

There are many similar shooter games out there that rely on distinction and unique elements to be well unique

Allowing new players to come in and then completely change aesthetics for everyone because they personally can’t stomach it is just self ish and not acceptable

Seriously, the gorey and unsettling nature of hunt is one of its core attributes and is a reason why is hunt is hunt

To go against that is sad tbh

You shouldn’t waltz into a game known for a certain aesthetic and then ask for that aesthetic be changed/toned down for a ultra-minority when the majority was largely happy with it already in that department-

[queen jungle]

Absolutely true. Graphics and atmosphere are a major aspect of game design and the devs' vision, it's not just all about game mechanics.

Demanding such major changes kinda reminds me of people moving in somewhere and then trying to turn well-established customs upside down to nobody's but their own benefit.

[tiny pivot]

Idk, there’s obviously magnitudes to things. To assume accessibility instantly means the games art style has to be tossed to the side makes no sense. And I will reiterate that I agree and I don’t think a lot of these things are reasonable. But in finality, I’ll just say that in these two situations specifically, I had a lovely conversation with someone about how some of these noise traps and minor things would make absolutely no difference if they were something else. Leeches is a bit harder — to replace that with something similar hitbox and gameplay related would be odd — but as for the Horse phobia guy who was in here a while ago, there is little functional difference between a pack of dogs, crows, ducks, a horse/dead horse, etc as noise traps, outside of their health values.
Again, reiterating, will Hunt make any of these changes? Is it necessary? Is it “woke” or “too much accessibility”? Who knows. But none of these things are actually going to change. It’s just an exercise in thought, and even the original progenitor of this thought process was like “yeah, me and my partner are just gonna play anyway, it’s just a little discomforting” so who really cares. It’s just interesting to think about because no multiplayer game has had a similar moment as to this, so this is kind of unprecedented territory unless you count something like Grounded and Lethal Company’s phobia modes, which are intentionally crazy for the sake of comedy.

[queen jungle]

Hi what are you guys talking about

A good example of accessibility in the case of Hunt would be the spider. In the past, it was the default boss in the old tutorial and at some point this was changed because the devs noticed some players didn't play past this boss - possibly out of fear of spiders - so it was changed to the butcher.
But the spider wasn't entirely removed from the game - it's a core part of its design and eventually players have to face it or use the open design of Hunt to evade the issue, for example by waiting for somebody else to kill the spider boss or extracting from matches where it's the boss.

[flat sandal]

🤔

why does this sound so familiar^^

[queen jungle]

I ain t reading all that

[queen jungle]

ok

[queen jungle]

No idea, why?

[flat sandal]

not allowed to say here

kinds read like a social commentary 😄 porbs unintentionally^^

[vital fractal]

That’s insane lol, if that was the reason- I came in when the butcher was the “base” boss so I’ve only ever known him as such

But if that’s the reasoning, 1. Wow lmao 2. At least they did what they could with what they had, to achieve a better outcome without compromising the integrity of the game style

[queen jungle]

It was the reason given during the dev stream back then.

[tiny pivot]

At the end of the day, idk if anyone could understand what I was getting at, but like

[vital fractal]

Genuinely wild

[tiny pivot]

The realistic “no, nothing is gonna happen and it would compromise the visual integrity” idea and “being blocked out of a game for a phobia sucks” are not mutually exclusive ideas

But at the end of the day, people get over it or find new games

[vital fractal]

I mean, a phobia is by definition an irrational fear-

A game meant for public consumption shouldn’t have to accommodate mental irrationality, that irrationality should be treated with actual treatment elsewhere imo

But yes that’s how it should be, get over it or find a better suited game

[flat sandal]

also have to consider the consequences of having stuff that triggers such common fears though. ppl who are afraid of spider really avoid them like the plague, even in games

so basically just don't play it and don't even feel sad about it^^

[dusky tapir]

@opal dragon #game-ideas message some skins might not consider specific modules. The compatibility is relatively limited - for example - the "burn out" terminus handcannon skin would still need extra work for the stock and foregrip of the full size version

[tiny pivot]

Oddly I will say, I haven’t heard of many people these days with problems with stuff like spider, it’s always more “normal” and “common irl” fears like someone having a fear of horses dying or thinking leeches are weird. So like what are “normal” things for us but might be odd or weird to outside players

[flat sandal]

I know a bunch of people whjo just dont touch games with "creepy crawlies"^^

tbh honest I have no idea what this is about. just writing shit while cueing

I just know that it's a consideration to leave stuff like this out or make it toggleable. not to be nice but cause of money^^

[sand kiln]

@vital furnace your post been deleted due to low effort, please add more details into your suggestion or any media as reference.

[blissful jackal]

spiders are awesome

[unborn dagger]

I could've sworn it was changed because of it being more difficult to deal with compared to the Butcher since it was more random in its movements

[vital fractal]

That’s what I would’ve thought but he says they specifically said that

[unborn dagger]

Weird guess I misheard

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message I think I have a good idea of who's disliking this haha

#game-ideas message don't think two slots is necessary just fix the buggy range of martialist

[queen jungle]

It's pretty valid since katana just makes every other melee weapon obsolete.

[thin remnant]

Making it a two slot is too extreme imo. Decrease the martialist range, make it cost more stamina maybe, maybe even the martialist slash trades silence for power by making a loud sound.

[vital fractal]

It was fine as a two slot before, and the power justified it

One slot katana was a mistake that crytek needs to right but restoring it to how it was

Stamina increase doesn’t matter, martialist always works (and even if it didn’t, the out of Stam attack is still effective in PvP quite well enough)

Sound of a melee weapon means jackshit, especially as you rush someone and scream when you hit as they’ll most likely be dead anyways and their team will know because there’s now a skull on their screen

It was fine before, balanced well- and they fucked it up for some reason

They are attempting to learn undoing mistakes, maybe they get to the katana sooner than later in this case

[thin remnant]

ive never died to a katana lol

but if it used to be a two slot yeah restore it to what it used to be

i didnt realize it was a two slot originally

just makes the katana bow loadout make more sense haha

but they DO need to fix the martialist range.

it doesnt match the katana ingame

[crystal plume]

None of the melee attacks match the actual reach of the weapon

And that's done on purpose for gameplay

[thin remnant]

bro its literally double the sprite's range

at least fix it a little bit

@snow cipher #game-ideas message I agree with this, but as a solo player, I disagree with suggestion 3. I think suggestion 3 could be replaced with a simple cost increase. It's literally cheaper than greyhound lmao.

[vital fractal]

Ok and? Many people have, and many people agrees that the Katana is by far the best melee option bar none at this point for one slots

It was well balanced as a two slot, had more than enough power to justify it but still required some investment to utilize

Martialist should be adjusted either way, but definitely katana should return to two slot

[thin remnant]

oh yeah i agree with the two slot thing now, you changed my mind

katana is definetely the best one slot melee

but they should totally fix the range on martialist tho

@vital fractal sorry must be a little jarring for someone on the internet to give in and change their mind lol

[queen jungle]

That's quite literally all melee weapons though pretty sure.

Where the range is more effective than what the model shows.

[thin remnant]

not DOUBLE, though

and if it is double then it needs to be fixed

btw does assailant let you throw melee weapons brought in weapon slots? cause if not that could be a nice buff for melee

[queen jungle]

It does not no.

[thin remnant]

feel like it should

[snow cipher]

Oh, so you are thinking that the solo players would not need a buff to make up for it?

[thin remnant]

personally no, but i know some solo players would be mad about it lol

i was fine with it before solo necro was even a thing ahahaha

but some people REALLY like their solo necro and would probably uninstall if it got nerfed
that's the hard part about nerfing it

but i like the proposed changes 1 and 2. quite a lot