feedback-discussion

[weary sand]

That's why I said include bounty extraction to ELO calc

So both things (bounty and kills) have influence

[floral nova]

So, right now they are not included at all? Is there public infos about the MMR or any hidden ranking system?

[dusky tapir]

it's based solely on pvp kills

[floral nova]

The MMR I assume. Is the MMR the only value used for matchmaking?

[analog willow]

It’s too big an expense for me, right now. I’ll get there. “Tough times don’t last. Tough people do” as they say😋

[latent geyser]

#game-ideas message
Maybe it'd be better to increas the brawler's firerate ? Not on par with spitfire, but just a bit, so it can actually have something going for it instead of a shorter barrel for a mere increase in melee dmg, yeah.

[dusky tapir]

like a precision variant boost? sounds fair honestly

[analog willow]

@ionic cloak #game-ideas message Love it!

[floral nova]

I don't totally understand this part

Ability to add new hunter variants, with stakes, garlic, ammo bandoliers, and crucifixes in which they wear for protection. I have a lot of ideas for Hunt

@astral socket #game-ideas message are dollars gained if extracted w/ boundy and looted bodies? Or just looting bodies? I don't remember. only 50$ extracting w/ bounty and w/ 7 kills is strange.

[astral socket]

We killed and looted 7 bodies, then we died by a camper at extraction

This type of award only promotes going for bounty and doing only bare minimum to extract with it. Just makes the game stale and boring af. Esp in 5 and 6 star lobies

[floral nova]

ooh, ok, I missed the info that you didn't extract

[astral socket]

It is still dumb to only award 50

[floral nova]

at what mmr?

being an extraction shooter, one would imagine that the most important thing is to extract. But then again, camping is a good strategy.

[astral socket]

2750

[queen jungle]

Well you would be right about that. Primary objective is to extract the bounty, secondary objective is to get out alive if you cannot get the bounty.

[dusky tapir]

looted money (and bloodbonds) are only awarded on extraction

killing does not inherently grant any money

[floral nova]

thanks bro

[astral socket]

Aight

so all 6 teams should sit in the bushes

and let the best one win

roger that

[floral nova]

heh, I don't like sittable bushes, but..

[queen jungle]

The reason for that being that when PvP was too rewarding in the past, people just extracted after a fight and didn't go for the bounty.

[floral nova]

right now if you kill, loot and extract, you get the money, correct?

[astral socket]

I do understand that, but going from one extreme to another is not very satisfying.

[queen jungle]

Yeah, if you loot money

[queen jungle]

There was nothing "extreme" about it, People left when they looted 100 or 200 hunt dollars off other players' bodies. I'm not even talking thousands of dollars looted, but small amounts.

[floral nova]

something like gaining 10% of the money, would satisfy you?

[floral nova]

that's a bit greedy 😂

when I extract I'm always around the 1k$. It balances all the times I don't.

Many many problems that I read reported here, I think are in reality due to camping being too easy. I really believe that fixing bushes and dark skins would make a difference.

[queen jungle]

Ambushing is a valid strategy and to make it harder to be ambushed, the devs added dark sight boost for bounty carriers.

[dusky tapir]

the game has had years of anti camping mechanic additions

instinct being the latest addition

[queen jungle]

DSB, Instinct, Beetle, noisy clues, red boss icons, etc are all mechanics against camping.

But of course often being quiet and careful is the best strategy against being ambushed.

[floral nova]

yes, yes, but I think that once you know that there's someone, and maybe you are even in a fight, staying still in the darkness or into the middle of a fucking 2m plant, is too strong a strategy

[dusky tapir]

darkness goes both ways. Big plants act as solid cover and you should be scouting them beforehand imo. Or take the long route around and never run in the open

a lot of bush warfare comes down to concealment, good movement form and awareness defeat most of it

[floral nova]

also fuck spider. It just dodged 3 lanterns and killed me

eh, bushes are 90% impenetrable to the sight but penetrable 100% to bullets and players. If you can stay still 1m from me, and I cannot see you, I don't want to scount the bushes.

[unborn dagger]

Wait did it not have that during it's early alpha phase ?

[soft river]

@sudden wing #game-ideas message this is pointless

there will be map wide vc for randoms

so its redundant to add

[queen jungle]

No, in the early days you just picked the bounty, got marked on the map and had to make your way out. No DSB, no noisy clues, no boss lair red flash, no nothing to warn you of people ambushing you.

[unborn dagger]

Wow that must've been rough as hell lol

[fierce quest]

which fuggin roadmap? :D

[hazy quartz]

there have been video roadmaps

[soft river]

like I mentioned earlier

don't suggest team only vc

because thats already planned by crytek

just an example

[sand kiln]

!roadmap

[marsh garden]

Latest roadmap video - https://youtu.be/sxVu-IxiiIQ

[sand kiln]

!plans

[marsh garden]

Some of the plans for the future of Hunt with references:

Cryengine 5.11 upgrade coming on August 15th (DX12, FSR, Direct Storage, HDR) (date here)
New map is coming on August 15th, will be a new biome
Complete UI overhaul
Further recruitment and prestige changes and rewards
Decentralized backend system and server-side improvements
Matchmaking refactor, team voice chat
Fair Play Task Force news coming
New modes and custom lobbies are considered for 2024

[jagged wagon]

Can someone confirm if the support section for reports on the hunt website (the little red button in the corner) is working? For the last 2 days all I have been getting is a red spinning circle and the option to request support or send a report never loads.

[sand kiln]

It is working fine for me. Try using another browser.

[jagged wagon]

I have, both chrome and edge

[queen jungle]

Chrome and Edge are essentially the same browser, try Firefox

Works for me

[jagged wagon]

Yes, it is fine on firefox, strange that chrome suddenly has an issue when its been fine before, very odd. Cheers though.

[vital fractal]

@fathom rampart Pennyshot is PvE shotgun ammo, does exactly what you want it to

[empty oasis]

@atomic ferry #game-ideas message

[lean estuary]

@visual anchor if i’m not mistaken those 3 women hunter designs were made by a Crytek intern during her internship

[visual anchor]

Yeah. I was just kinda using them as examples of the kinda stuff that should be added.

[lean estuary]

@bold valley #game-ideas message
An interesting detail is that there aren’t actually any afflicted animals, just people. The Hellhounds seem to have something else going on, and the meathead leeches and waterdevils are just kind of mysterious animals themselves

[bold valley]

Well, there's the bugs in the hives and larvae in the armored and grunts, the assassin turning into bugs, the spider kinda-sorta being human parts shaped like a spider, and the stalker beetles. I'd say the immolator is more odd man out if anything

[vital fractal]

The dogs are afflicted, it’s implied via bunny being the first hellhound and her origins

Immolator is definitely odd man out since it supposedly is from the fiery wrath of a god-fearing preacher but maybe the level of insane theological… energy? Emotion? Gave the sculptor’s influence a way into that man at that moment of that initial blaze

That or the sculptor may be a major player in the bayou for all the hellish things but in reality the corruption is just allowing many forces in, all of which kinda just spread corruption and chaos as a whole in-

[lean estuary]

Yeah there are a lot of bug vectors (?), and that’s sort of what I mean, the Hellhounds and the immolator seem to have some sort of connection with a demonic infernal thing….i heard recently that in early versions of Hunt the Hellhounds were immune to fire, too. But..they are clearly decayed/undead, so 🤷🏾

But there are no zombie horses, mutts, pigs, chickens, crows, ducks, common alligators, etc.

[vital fractal]

They need to add explosive ammo to a one slot revolver besides the uppercut

I wanna meme without spending $500 HD each time

Put it on the Pax please

Or Nagant 👀

[floral nova]

do you want to go bleeding + explosive ammo?

[empty oasis]

@young nacelle #game-ideas message

Only the slate can slam fire. The others mechanically can't. It's not an inherent pump action trait

[wind stream]

@analog willow Writing a novel sounds like a cool project and I think hunt has an amazing setting for it, but please keep the feedback channel for actual feedback. Feel free to talk about your novel in #hunt-general though

[crystal plume]

@astral socket I don't know what you are expecting, you didn't get out with the bounty and died so you couldn't keep any looted hunt dollars either, you basically "lost" the match hence why you didn't get rewarded as much for it

[astral socket]

I get it. Sit in bush and ambush.

[crystal plume]

It seems like you don't, but if that's what you decided to take from this experience then you do you

[hot vigil]

Extraction camp is usually easy to counter, just run the other way :v

[crystal plume]

@paper edge As stated in the #game-ideas channel guidelines, do not repost your own ideas

I removed your newest post as you have reposted the same idea like 4 times now

Once is enough to be seen

They are suggestions, not requirements for devs to follow through every time something gets upvotes. It's still their product and they decide what they want design wise and what they want to dedicate resources towards. I don't disagree with your suggestion, I'm just asking you to follow the channel guidelines like everyone else has to. They have also already stated that a complete UI overhaul is coming so who knows what that entails.

Based on what? Because they haven't added it?

The game wasn't even out in 2016

That is not correct I'm afraid

[lean estuary]

I think you’re missing some crucial points here

You can review the things Diiba said above… I don’t know what game you were playing in 2016

[hot vigil]

@iron current heavy knife already got a sickle skin :)

[iron current]

Oh... nm

-whats it look like?

[lean estuary]

🔥

[hot vigil]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1374340/Hunt_Showdown__Live_by_the_Blade/
It is the "live by the blade" dlc which good value (when it goes on sale)

Steam

Hunt: Showdown - Live by the Blade

Farrier's Fist

Price

$9.99

Recommendations

117

[iron current]

oh

[lean estuary]

That combat axe skin is great

[analog willow]

Sorry about that! Feedback was the only place I knew would get back to the devs. Just thought I’d give a heads up that it’s coming. I’m sure the majority will never read it, but I know there’s some people that’ll feel all warm and fuzzy that someone likes their game so much

[tiny pivot]

such good value, if only half of them were worth using lol

[tiny pivot]

i still would recommend talking to the devs or support about it to plausibly get support for it, genuinely would be neat to have literature in the hunt universe and with developer support and permission im sure you could benefit financially and also have a better written product

[analog willow]

I've had some conversations with some developers.

I’ve also applied to be on the writing team on a few occasions, actually😋 No luck. That’s okay, though. That just means I get write exactly what I want to write.

And if I don't get permission, it's not the end of the world. Every character, location, and event are of my own creation, so it can still be published as it's own original work without the "fan novel" designation.

[unborn dagger]

@vague basalt Yeah Im with you on this one. I can definitely see the game possibly breaking once they release it knowing the history of this game.

[floral nova]

@last blaze #game-ideas message
It would be more interesting if they behaved more realistically, inverting other animals behaviours. Ribbiting if no human is around, staying silent if a human is close.

@tiny pivot #game-ideas message
I'd love to have the option not binded to a model of a weapon, but to save it in a loadout and to choose it in the inventory menu, togethere with ammos.

[tiny pivot]

That would be excellent, only problem is I know that probably would be more complex. Things can be deceptively difficult. If I can just mass apply one charm that I find I like, and then manually select the others, I'm fine with that

[last blaze]

that could be better i don't really think too much about it I just really want frogs in the game

[floral nova]

Agreed. But... What about a froggo boss? That's both in the water and on land. That jumps and catches you with its tongue.

[unborn dagger]

@light flame Idk man that just sounds like it's gonna get annoying real quick.

[tiny pivot]

I don't disagree with the idea of buffing the amount of money you get from kills tbh

That is to say, none to something

I get that there's an intended extraction shooter value of like. Only really "winning" if you're the top of the pack in these small, like 10-15 person matches but like

I think a solo buff would be nice, more so than is already there, or maybe moving some of the power balance from the bounty collection bonus to anything else

[empty oasis]

@sharp gate Your suggestion was removed for "No troll/low effort ideas are allowed."

[empty oasis]

@queen jungle #game-ideas message

This would be a nerf to shotgun/melee players and a buff to long ammo players. Long ammo players already hold the overall advantage because they have range and time on their side. All this does is force inside teams out into the waiting sights of people outside the lair.

Its an interesting idea but it would just lead to no one actually taking down the boss until all the other teams are dead. To do otherwise would just handicap yourself

[sand kiln]

I don't like the idea of forcing one team out to just die to the outside team camping them

[queen jungle]

You could add traits that play into the blight mechanic like I mentioned. And/or initial token pickup buffs that allow the defenders to be more aggressive earlier on while getting out.

really though, I don't think buffing attackers more is the way to go. Treating the compounds like they're "R6:Siege" maps with "attackers/defenders" I feel is the wrong way to go about it.

You want the tokens to be treated like "weapons" so people can push out of the compound with confidence. The darksight is that, but maybe there needs to be additions to it, or the ability to sacrifice darksight for something else.

I should've stressed the trait mechanics around the blight aswell. Basically blight as being a two fold thing. Even "recharging" the darksight ability but also still costing health. As in, you can walk into the blight and recharge the sight.

It'll be interesting to see what Cry does because they explicitly mentioned addressing the stalemates.

[sand kiln]

People won't leave the area they control and mostly have an upperhand to die to another team with rifles sitting outside

[empty oasis]

Needing a trait to utilize the mechanics is still the same nerf to defenders. Especially if they're fresh hunters. Adding additional mechanics to the token is worth exploring though

You could change a lot of the situation by making the token more powerful

[queen jungle]

ok, so not a trait, but holding the token grants you some kind of tie-in with the blight. The blight still hurts, but can also be weaponized.

and yeah, alternate "token abilities" you can swap out sounds very interesting to me.

like a sub-trait system that is tied into the token rather than hunter level/trait cost.

[tiny pivot]

i would love anything to push people out of compounds though

but imo i think something like hive bomb kinda accomplishes that with intelligent use

this might be a bit much but i also think IN that, i think buildings could have a few more usable/"normal" holes to shoot through

things to toss grenades in

that is to say, anything else like the chimneys on that one ironworks compound that you can toss a nade into and it comes out the furnace, which people camp in sometimes

i know it's hard to change that much but i hope some more things like that appear in the new map

holes in slats, chimneys, breaks in wood, eaten away bars and anything of that sort

on that note, in the same vein, it would be nice to have a timed/waxed/etc hive bomb for that reason, so you can throw it, bank it, and cook it with more ingenuity

maybe i'm just the #1 hive bomb enjoyer

but yeah

[rotund obsidian]

I mean, the match timer means that the team inside has to push out eventually anyway. This is just a more robust way of not forcing both teams to sit and wait in/outside of lair for 30 minutes till that timer ticks down.

[empty oasis]

Thats what I mean. The advantage is already with the outside team. This would just add to that advantage

[rotund obsidian]

It only adds to the advantage by removing the strategy of turtling lair for the entire match and hoping the other team dies of old age. Which I'm all for.

[empty oasis]

Having increasaing waves of stronger ai push from outside the compound up to the lair would do the same thing. It'd force the outside team to either leave or push inside to fight

[rotund obsidian]

Obviously it would need to be somewhat delayed and not immediately kick everyone out of lair the moment they pick it up, but I think limiting fights by a duration after the banish finishes is better than just 'however long is left in the match'

[rotund obsidian]

i mean i suppose, but it would also melt the crytek servers to spawn a shitload of AI and make stamina shots even more powerful

and i'd rather disadvantage turtles instead of snipers in these lair stalemates.

[empty oasis]

I just think that they shouldnt implement something that hard impacts one playstyle without changing something that affects the others just as much

[empty oasis]

But that isnt fair to the turtles who have just as much right to their playstyle as you do yours

[rotund obsidian]

it isn't fair? who cares. nobody has a right to any playstyle, buffs and nerfs and things that impact gameplay shouldn't just be completely discounted because "oooh it nerfs one strategy more than others"

there are plenty of changes that have been made that impact certain loadouts/playstyles more than others

[empty oasis]

So lets say that the token change is that it starts dealing dmg to anyone within 150m of the token unless they are carrying it.
Now the carriers wouldnt be afraid to move because no one can effectively long ammo camp them

This would make the carries move and force the long ammo players to either leave or push

[rotund obsidian]

It'd get them out of lair, sure. Do you think that would make the game more interesting and engaging to its players?

It'd keep matches shorter sure, but it'd also basically end games the moment someone picked up bounty

[empty oasis]

So would the suggested idea. Defenders would be pushed outside at disadvantage to most likely die and it'd lead to no one killing the boss and everyone camping the compound

[jovial ginkgo]

an issue i feel like never gets brought up is that all of the problems you guys are suggesting as ramifications of anti-camping stuff kind of all already happens to a greater or lesser extent

people literally already do that

camping is naturally rewarding in this game there's no way to make it not rewarding

[empty oasis]

Camping is rewarding in almost any pvp situation in most all games. Thats just facts of life

[elder ibex]

if you want to defender be more aggressive better suggest full-fledged smoke bombs, coz there is no real tools to effectively push longammo outside

[tiny pivot]

I would love an actual full use smoke bomb

I’ve seen people suggest chokes or dynamite and the former is still relatively transparent, the latter is temporary and unreliable

Literally all I want is 2 maybe 3 smoke bombs as a tool you can block off vision with

Maybe that’s a bit much. But legitimately even a single one could make a world of difference

[floral nova]

@jovial ginkgo #game-ideas message
I think it's difficult to determine when is a threashold to give that bonus. What if they disconnect just after you leave? Or after you kill the boss and everybody else is stuck in a fight afar and you can leave undisturbed?

I would give the bonus of playing in 2 or solo if players disconnect before the game starts. A lot of times I'm playing trios and someone doesn't even enter the game and we are stuck playing in 2, or leaving right away if we have an exit close.

[snow cipher]

Honestly, I used to think that smoke bombs would ruin hunt, but they might be cool now just given the state of the game. I honestly don't find myself having some of the issues others seem to on here, but I still think that smokes could actually maybe work now?

[jovial ginkgo]

i mean, maybe even set like an inactivity timer

if your teammate stays still for more than 5 minutes in a row

[tiny pivot]

They’d be fine with a strong limit in terms of how many you can carry and the amount of time they can last for

It’s a cool idea but balloons in annoyance when you consider anywhere from one person to 3 people or more can have them in any one match

[jovial ginkgo]

i mean we already have choke bombs, change two letters and make the clouds opaque and make it a different item

[tiny pivot]

I acknowledge that here

[jovial ginkgo]

make it so you don't cough in it (or maybe do after a few seconds?)

[jovial ginkgo]

hellfire or normal fire bomb is way better for this than either of those currently

[floral nova]

I normally use dynamites or dbundles as smoke, that is as occluders

[jovial ginkgo]

just for pure obstruction

[floral nova]

it would be nice to have a smoke bomb that makes more smoke that lasts more and isn't lethal

[snow cipher]

Agreed, I think it would just need to be a brief smoke duration with maybe 2 smokes carried as a tool

[snow cipher]

I would say probably no cough in it

[tiny pivot]

Like I’m talking if we had more than one it would have to be like 2 or 3 seconds or else it gets bad

[floral nova]

suddenly it would be Valorant: all smoked out

[jovial ginkgo]

max smoke duration i think we could have is like, 10 or 12 seconds

[tiny pivot]

Because if you get too much smoke we’ll go from a long ammo meta to a short range meta where it’s people reacting to shotguns and melee tools

[snow cipher]

I genuinely think it could be up to like 5-7 seconds and be fine, but yeah, nothing too long

[jovial ginkgo]

i mean people are kind of reacting to long ammo meta in their own ways already

like we're sort of back to camping behind corners with shotguns and spam wallbanging with fmj compact

[snow cipher]

The other nice thing about it would be that if it were a tool, people would have to change from the usual melee, medkit, choke, flare gun meta

If they wanted to use it

[tiny pivot]

I wouldn’t mind if chokes were simply reduced down to 2 (are they 3? I don’t really I don’t use them) and made thicker visually

[snow cipher]

I have always been a shotgun camper and rusher, it's a fun way to play. I am a big melee guy too

[snow cipher]

Chokes are already 2, the issue with making them thicker visually is that it might be busted with what they already do, and it also would not serve the purpose you are wanting because of the coughing (as that makes it hard to push through)

[tiny pivot]

Idk this balance is weird to me because it brings me to other consumables

Like depending on range I’d rather have a hive bomb than a smoke bomb

Which I’m realizing I’ve criminally underrated, as even with a poison shot they have to make a decision between getting gnawed or aiming properly

[snow cipher]

See, I would like a smoke though, because then you whip it, it smokes for a few seconds (maybe deafens footsteps some), and then you can just pop out and shoot

And like, that is not possible with chokes

And make it a tool so it is a little niche

Or maybe consumable is better?

[tiny pivot]

I think we need to shove more things into tools to push the flare gun meta but maybe that’s just me

I’m a hippie pshot derringer user anyways though

[floral nova]

what's that?

[snow cipher]

I agree, but the issue is that a smoke bomb might be broken if you can get a guaranteed refill of them

[floral nova]

I've only seen derringer used as silenced gun for mobs

[snow cipher]

Nah, you can poke with a sparks and then finish with derringer

It's great

Works well if you wanna run 1 shot reload weapons and melee

[floral nova]

I see people carrying toolboxes, packmule and team spamming with smokes 😂

[snow cipher]

For sure, that's my worry too 😂

[tiny pivot]

Penny shot derringer, the 4 shots you spawn with can kill one (1) meathead so it’s a half decent chance to get a burn/trait for little investment

[floral nova]

but that could also be done with chokes 🤔

[tiny pivot]

If you bring a penny shot weapon or a drilling penny which is my go to, it also gets like double the capacity and kinda becomes a third panic weapon

[snow cipher]

I mean, true. And I have seen it done to lock down compounds. The issue with this is that it would basically make you able to run in invisibly. But with that much investment maybe it isn't broken 🤔

Especially because you would not really be able to see either

[tiny pivot]

then again if you use a drilling you should actually use the shotgun so I mostly do this in the Romero case

[floral nova]

and if one is still and you're running, you're the dead one

it would be strong if you have a bounty and can see people in plain air

[snow cipher]

Also, you should note on the derringer thing, if you kill someone with a derringer they will be mad 😂

[snow cipher]

Yeah, I am kinda wondering if it might actually be balanced 😂

[snow cipher]

True, but I am not sure that would be an issue

[floral nova]

Valorant was all based on smokes. I don't know now how it is. And step sounds.

[snow cipher]

Yeah, I don't know if I would want hunt to become that, that's my biggest concern

[floral nova]

also, bushes right now are basically permanent smoke areas 😂 (yes, I fucking hate them)

[astral socket]

Thank you guys for enlightening the game goal for me. Been focusing on the bounty like my life depends on it for 3 games. Avg. kills pro game: 2, Money gain: 1500 per Match.

[sharp gate]

Same, I've also been camping with Mosin Sniper spitzer from avg distance of 180m away, only focusing on kills and the bounty, only coming close when I am sure that everybody else is dead. Avg. match duration 40 minutes

[jovial ginkgo]

@fathom rampart if you queue into a low-visibility hunt with a sniper literally just go check watchtowers and find a base sparks or centennial

[queen jungle]

@iron current You can flip aperture sights.

Or did I miss something? 🤔

Only one not flipable is on the nitro and that's due to balance reasons

[iron current]

wha- REALLY!?

[rotund obsidian]

the ammo swap button toggles the aperture up or down

a lebel, mako, or winfield aperture are just a straight upgrade over base because you can toggle them down and then have ironsights

[dusky tapir]

yes - press X by default
This is why they do cost a bit extra!

Only the Nitro Express rifle has un-flippable aperture sights

[tiny pivot]

Aperture is also a real double edged sword, you get that magnification and it’s not bad magnification either, but holy fuck are they clunky

Though arguably apertures are what people should be using if they worry that much about bad weather maps. Then again most of those people are mosin dolch 6* tryhards I imagine so they don’t have an aperture :^)

[fathom rampart]

Yeah, aperture is a good idea for night maps, a shame more rifles don’t have them

i think the zoom is comparable to a deadeye though

be nice if you had SOME option to not render your marksman / sniper mostly useless at night (like switching to iron sights). You’re either going to have to run only your secondary gun, or ditch your (maybe expensive) primary for another gun

[fathom rampart]

But then you’re just throwing away a gun, and $$$

(unless you go retrieve it before extraction, but you might not get that opportunity)
I mentioned that strategy at the end of the suggestion.

[dusky tapir]

don't underestimate the magnification factor in low visibility. I get kills in the fog at shorter ranges, sure - but the enemies quite literally do not see it coming

most importantly - remember you can light up the night with a flare gun. Much harder to hide if you're a clear silhouette.

[vital fractal]

Aperture Lebel kinda underrated

Dead eye zoom when you want it, Iron when you don’t with Long Ammo damage/drop off to back it up

I prefer the Talon for boss reasons and PvP at times but you can drop that talon assuming your secondary is fast enough and gain a bit for range

[lean estuary]

Yeah it’s awesome

mako aperture too

[fathom rampart]

I agree that this is good. Also that flares / fusees are useful for night sniping. My issue with those is you’d need to place them in an area first, then move back to sniper range…also, enemies may avoid flares / fusees. It would have to be in bottleneck areas…(not that this isn’t fun!)

When I suggested it, I was thinking:

Can’t let players choose between night and day (too few players choose night). So it has to be random.

If night map, then marksman/ sniper have limited use.

You could use them, but there SHOULD be an option not to use your scope, while keeping your primary gun. That’s why I thought alternative sights, removing your own scope somehow, or having a ‘swap’ system at carriages/boats would solve this.

[lean estuary]

This doesn’t really address what he’s saying, even though those things are true…you’ve given up your advantage of surprise if you’re shooting a flare, and there are lots of instances at night where removing your scope would be better

Also it is kind of criminal that you can’t use those iron sights on guns with offset mounted scopes

[empty oasis]

@sturdy burrow #feedback message
They didnt disable it just for the fun of it. Theres an issue with it currently

#general-announcements message

[queen jungle]

Hunt showdown I have fresh ideas for new firearms for the game, for starters more bolt action rifles.

[empty oasis]

Thats far from a fresh idea but #game-ideas have at it

[queen jungle]

Not the poll. 😭

A lot of those bolt actions tend to be long ammo rifles and we definitely don't need more of those.

[vital fractal]

at this point people are asking for whole ass unique animated weapons that’ll just replicate the stats of guns already in the game or powercreep them

[unborn dagger]

Yeah the gun needs to be more unique than those 4 bolt action rifles.

[jovial ginkgo]

@vernal canyon there's already tons of ways to cover the sound of your throwables, letting people cook big bundles silently is nothing but a recipe for disaster lmfao

[rotund obsidian]

yea that shit would be busted as hell

[remote vapor]

solo with no necro, kill grunt, dead. he had a torch in his hand, and there was a hidden red barrle around the corner, when he dies.. he drops it... explodes red barrell.. i dunno. its a bit much.

[rotund obsidian]

gotta respect torch grunts more

[snow cipher]

@iron current Uh, I hate to tell you man, but aperture sights can already flip up and down, it's already a feature. That is also why the price is where it is on them.

Also, this was responding to the suggestion (I do not know how to link this to that post, sorry)

[hybrid forum]

@prime orchid did you forget about the centennial?

[dusky tapir]

the centennial is not smokeless, and its real world muzzle velocities are nowhere near 600m/s we get in game.

But given how the Centennial works right now the Winchester 1894 would be redundant - as it shares most of its functioning characteristics

[hybrid forum]

I am aware, but my point is that it's nearly identical to centy

[dusky tapir]

that's what I said 😁 ❤️

call me boring but I think the only lever action left worth adding would be the Winchester 1895 ( mostly due to stripper clip / spitzer )

[hybrid forum]

Ngl I would've preferred it over mako

But I guess they didn't want to add it because we already have a stripper clip fed long ammo rifle

And we didn't have a side fed one

[dusky tapir]

would be interesting if it turns out the 1895 is sub125

[hybrid forum]

Imho they should stop adding irl historical weapons

Or atleast slow down with adding them

We've nearly run out of them

They should instead focus on adding stuff like bomblance

Stuff that didn't exist, but could

However, they COULD add the Winfield full auto conversion

It will be balanced by the fact that once you shoot, you have to shoot an entire mag

There's no stopping it

[iron current]

People already told me hahahaha

[queen jungle]

And this is what I get from you is a thumbs down on all the ideas that I wanted pleased the hunt showdown dev teams.

[hybrid forum]

We don't need another darn long ammo bolt action rifle. This weapon type is already saturated enough, there's barely any difference between a mako, krag and mosin

I take that as a compliment

What would even be the in-game difference between gewehr and mosin stat wise?

You take criticism really well

They'd fit hunt if we didn't already have so much long ammo rifles

Crytek needs to focus on adding guns with ammo that's not long ammo

Also gewehr would be nearly identical to mosin

So there's no reason for them to waste time and effort to add a mosin reskin

Ungrateful for what

[empty oasis]

Please keep it civil

[hybrid forum]

You ain't the first one to do that, and not the last one to do that. Ever since the game released people have been asking for caracano, gewehr, etc.

It's getting old at this point. And negative rating ain't that big of a deal, it's just a random suggestion forum. You're blowing this stuff way out of proportion

[crystal plume]

I have removed your suggestions as it doesn't follow the required suggestion format, polls are not suggestions

[queen jungle]

Might be something worth considering though tbh

[kind roost]

Is this satire?

[queen jungle]

Don't, it'll only end in you getting punished. If you are unhappy with a mod's actions or would like to see something changed, you should contact Modmail and ask for Papa Arricado

[analog sigil]

[kind roost]

[crystal plume]

They probably meant re-doing it in the correct format which I posted for them

[queen jungle]

Oh

damn ambivalence

[spiral moon]

What rifle(s) did you suggest?

OH UR THE SPANISH MAUSER GUY

I actually love that rifle and ifea

Great sniper rifle thy could run spitzer

[jovial ginkgo]

a carcano would be really really fun

stripper-clip compatible marksman rifle

lower velocity and dmg than other long ammo

or maybe even have it be upper-tier medium ammo??

like the trapdoor springfield is .40-70 which is not a small cartridge

6.5x50 could probably squeeze into the medium ammo niche

6+1 capacity, 120-ish damage, 700 m/s velocity according to google (gahd damn)

[ruby wind]

is anyone else getting server delays? When I shoot a guy it takes a solid sec for it to register,

#feedback message

[soft river]

@brittle leaf while a cool idea

the whole thing about hunt's maps are that they are wastelands taken over by the corruption or whatever its called

no longer inhabited

so theres no reason for trains to run

but I still do like it

[spiral moon]

Train rails often run over entire states

It wouldn’t be too far off for a train to come in from the south or east for resupply or something

Could be a fun server event that happens rarely

Like a point on the map where you can get a bunch of loot and stuff but at the cost that a frick ton of infected and hunters will be there

[queen jungle]

Thank you I think in my opinion that it would be fitting for marksman or sniper variant.

[spiral moon]

I run Sparks and Lebels often, that rifle would be a good addition to that list of rifles

[queen jungle]

As a sniping sharpshooter I think it would it well on a hunter skin that wears a ghillie suit.

[spiral moon]

Ngl

A Whitworths rifle would be an amazing addition XD

[queen jungle]

Rolling block rifle 1871 & Wendrl 1873/77 rifle 🙂

[brittle leaf]

Thanks for your reply. I partly agree with that, but having a moving train will enhance the game Mystic, as you won't know how it's moving, which will be kind of fun, as @spiral moon said

[tiny pivot]

#game-ideas message
Explicitly dynamite tripwires would be horribly unbalanced, people already complain enough when they walk over alert trips next to a barrel around the corner, or poison+conc trips on bodies or in standard use, effectively killing unaware players

You can already get a dynamite effect by using alert trips and barrels

[patent crane]

#game-ideas message
They better add this

also @stone sonnet what the fuck you got against a lobby fps cap? you tryna fry some eggs on your gpu while you wait for the match to start??

[queen jungle]

Tbf some people downvote for the hell of it, I see it often, wouldn’t be concerned.

Like they just pop into suggestions, downvote one and leave.

[prime orchid]

No I didn't forget about the centennial, the centennial is a .40 cal black powder rifle, while the 1894 is a .30 cal smokeless powder rifle that would have a slightly faster muzzle velocity.

[spiral moon]

The Whitworth is a special rifle in history though

And it would be an amazing early game sniper

maybe even hold up higher game

Due to accuracy nyahh

[spiral moon]

@quaint cloak

I agree, always wondered why scopes weren’t an attachment instead of a whole new gun or something. Like that you can buy and add on

I get that certain rifles can’t have certain scopes but still

Also, wtf that revolver TwT

[empty oasis]

@midnight sequoia #game-ideas message
The only issue with that is the shooting range is a way to 1v1 and that would break it

[stone sonnet]

i guess it was accidentally bc i only look at the ideas at ma phone and maybe i tipped it without knowing it(sorry my English is very bad)

[quaint cloak]

yes, and not only scopes...why can't I bolt a crappy striker blade to any gun? Or get the clamp setup like on the Centennial Trauma??
It just sticks out like the artificial balancing sore thumb that it (probably) is...

[hot vigil]

@lament cove agree with your long ammo nerf suggestion, tho think Martini Henry also deserves a 125+ damage profile.

[lament cove]

@hot vigil yes, i forget about the martini, thx

[queen jungle]

You could put withworth on the suggestion-ideas list

[soft river]

holy shit long ammo rifle barrage

please no bolt action longs

theres 4 of them

more than any other type of gun

and theres 7 long ammo rifles

again

more than any other ammo type

including compact and medium, combined

[atomic cipher]

@river dock My guess nothing will be done. They obviously don't give a damn. It's been like this how long now? EU has less players from actual EU than from other regions. It's mostly russians, many of whom play from he other side of the continent. And the fact that partners say nothing or defend this is not surprising either. They are not gonna tell you the truth even if they think different. "Don't 'Bite the Hand That Feeds You"

[river dock]

i agree, RachtaZ points it out alot but said nothing during yesterdays stream, that speaks volumes. other creators just shut the convo down immediately. the question came came up 50+ times yetesday after which i just stopped counting. they are skimming over it because they dont want to draw attention to it but its just leaving a bad taste in the people like me that genuinely want this game to succeed. they are putting all their hopes in the 2.0 relaunch gaining new players but dont seem to care about the ones that kept this game afloat. labelling his viewers ''800 complainers'' was an insulting thing to do

[atomic cipher]

I think you should feel proud. they could have easily labeled you as "8 complainers"

[blissful jackal]

@timid kelp you didnt have necro, and it also swung twice in a row, killing you.

[hot vigil]

Didn't had the chance to watch the stream, what was the gist of it? Anything interesting said?

[river dock]

Not really. Mostly all the same questions asked but no region lock or any meaningful protection changes. I haven't played for nearly a month because I'm so over the awful experience I've had with it recently. I've watched streams and even today saw 2 streams with cheaters. 1 had an immediate ban (they had over 1500 hours) the other is still in game. I'll check the alleged weekly updates but right now I'm over it.

[hot vigil]

Oka oka, yeah, in general I don't think "watch streamer xyz and dev play" is a good format for community engagement.
But yeah, heard Fifield made some unprofessional statement about the community which is... well.. his choice I guess.

[queen jungle]

#game-ideas message Not sure why you would block the bot.

[analog sigil]

[manic dove]

maybe hosting change will solve this god damn packet lose and lagging thx

[timid kelp]

i litterally have the stream to prove i did, i kept that in the description, as for scrapbeak idk i dont recall ever getting hit in the way i did in stream.

[blissful jackal]

he swings with weapons multiple times

can u link me stream or smth, your death screen shows you dont have the trait

[timid kelp]

im aware. the Distance is what didnt add up to me, it doesent rlly matter the necro is what annoyed me most

https://clips.twitch.tv/SuperCleanSoybeanSaltBae-PxOGZNv-eklAtrcz

[timid kelp]

hence the annoyance

was about to prestige my mans b4 i got canned

[obtuse peak]

Don't you think that switchblades are rarely used? How do you like the idea of adding the ability to throw 3 knives at once with a large spread?

[patent crane]

Can we get a better mmr / ranked system plz

[vital fractal]

I talked to John Hunt and Jane Showdown and they said no 😦

[rotund obsidian]

The trait does break sometimes, this definitely seems to be one of those cases. That doublehit from scrapbeak is unfortunate but he does do some weird multihit back and forth swings, so that kill isnt that outrageous

Might have something to do with being in the very final slot? I know there have been trait bugs previously regarding that slot

[quaint cloak]

@queen jungle We already sort of have a Ghillie suit guy, it's the green mossy Tier 3 Hunter.

keep your eyes peeled in recruitment, there's a man and woman version

[queen jungle]

Your right i'll pay attention to the rookies tier 3

[quaint cloak]

haha be careful where you hide with them....just like every Hunter skin, they don't blend in everywhere

[sand kiln]

@copper mantle It was like that when drilling launched and imo was awful. People complained about how slow and annoying it was to Switch between modes to reload each slot. So the way it is now is quicker and more versatile.

[floral nova]

@vernal canyon #game-ideas message I'd love an impact grenade, but not with the fire damage too.

@vast geyser #game-ideas message is the low ping the problem you are pointing out? Or the language or other stuff?

[floral nova]

@weary sand #game-ideas message looting friends exposes the game to griefer that kill you and then loot you. It would require blocking the looting if you damaged your friend in the prev X seconds.

[analog sigil]

If they are disconnected??

[floral nova]

@junior crane #game-ideas message we have a grunt with a gun, I wonder what a grunt with and automat or a romero would be 😄

[floral nova]

Could you please elaborate?

[analog sigil]

How could a leaver be griefed

[junior crane]

well you can't take the gun from a gun grunt

[floral nova]

yeah, I assume the lore would be that's a damage gun

[junior crane]

Actually lore-wise why are there no unlucky hunters who turned undead?

[floral nova]

you could just kill them a lot and make them disconnect, or just play dumb and make them disconnect

or troll them in audio

[floral nova]

heh, dunno, but good question. Better ask the #lore-discussion guys

[weary sand]

Only if they disconnected

[floral nova]

You mean at the loading? Or also after they die? I usually get ragequits upon death and quits because they don't trust me to be able to pull a revive off.

[weary sand]

That's exactly how I got the idea

After a ragequit

I was playing duos and we were heading to exfil

My partner was ambushed by shotgun duo in a forest because he kept running after I told him to wait while I recovered ammo at supply

The duo took his token and he disconnected

I had advantage of distance and managed to kill them after some mins (God bless officer carbine)

After that, I reached my partner corpse, staring at his dolch...

[floral nova]

Yeah, that's a bummer

[hot vigil]

@copper mantle regarding of the drilling reload, that is how it used to be, but people really wanted the current reload system.
So I guess no matter what someone is gonna hate it.

@queen jungle Please I don't mind weapons suggestions. But be a little more selective and not constantly spam the suggestion channel with weapons there have been put no thought behind why they should be added to Hunt.

[dusky tapir]

I would've loved the change if the weapon gave you the opportunity to take advantage of animation canceling like the New Army reloads

[dusky tapir]

e.g. you are in Rifle mode, you remove all 3 spent casings instead of the current setup

You can interrupt before Shotgun shell is inserted, allowing you to eventually do it separately much quicker

[hot vigil]

Yeah that would be nice, in general, Hunt needs a better partial reload system.

[dusky tapir]

it's serviceable for basically the entire arsenal but some of the recent weapons suffer a bit from this lack of flexibility

[hot vigil]

Romero/Rival can be quite silly, where if you slot in a shell (or two), but cancel the closing animation you'll have to inject a new shell.

[rain bay]

he is unlucky

[hot vigil]

The reason why no hunters are turned into grunts (as far I remember) is because of the tonic every hunter take (which gives us dark sight powers) also makes us immune to the infection.
But I might recall that wrong :)

[tribal gulch]

With the Russians and the Chinese on the European server it is impossible to win a 1vs1 trade, they always end up killing you the second after

GG crytek

[queen jungle]

Location hit nothing to do with trading. If you get hit you get hit, no matter whether the opponent git 10 or 1000ms ping.

[tribal gulch]

yep yep.....

[soft river]

@queen jungle please for the love of god chill

stop suggesting every bolt action under the sun

we don't need more!!

theres already 5 of them in the game, being the most common type of rifle

and only one of those isn't a long ammo rifle

thankfully most of the hunt community that checks this channel agrees with me, were sick of bolt action longs

they're just going to end up being carbon copies of each other eventually

oh now we have a berthier-like

oh now we have a krag-like

theres only so much you can do

theres also already 7 long ammo rifles

there are more long ammo rifles than there are medium and compact rifles combined

just by 1 but it does show that the game needs more diversity

[queen jungle]

We do not need anymore long ammo bolt rifles.

Even long ammo rifles in general imo.

Also they blocked the bot so I can’t even downvote them.

[hot vigil]

Maybe even weapons in general lmao

[queen jungle]

[queen jungle]

I can see there being compact rifles being added but medium and long have plenty options for every situation.

[soft river]

medium should still get guns (totally not biased) but compact definitely needs some diversity

you have the one with a lot of ammo that shoots fast

[queen jungle]

mako and marathon were perfect as they didn’t disrupt the meta at all and were balanced really well.

[soft river]

the other one that also has a lot of ammo that shoots fast, but you can lever it

[queen jungle]

a lot of the guns this guy posts would render mosin obsolete.

[soft river]

or you havet he one thats not even a rifle, its a carbine

it also shoots fast

[hot vigil]

Yeah, tho before adding more weapons and variants I just want a major balance overhaul where we nerf/buffs ammo types, move custom ammo around and so on.

[queen jungle]

Yeah ofc.

I agree, I’m a firm believer in a special ammo purge for medium ammo and upping its drop off.

[soft river]

as long as fmj stays the same I'm fine with a purge

[queen jungle]

Instead of just dumping every special ammo for every medium rifle to compensate.

[soft river]

don't touch my cent fmj

[queen jungle]

I’m more focused on dumdum and maybe hv.

[soft river]

hv's gotta go

as the #1 cent lover, even when it was seen as garbage

I say it was a bad choice

[queen jungle]

Like springfield had its niche and they just obliterate it every time by giving the cent the very same special ammo.

They use special ammo to pad medium ammo knowing it’s mid, instead of just making it an actual middle ground between compact and long.

[soft river]

also I wasn't a cent lover when the cent was actually just atrocious at like $360

I didn't have the game

[hot vigil]

I would change FMJ slightly, making it "upgrade one step up" so compact gets like medium and medium like long.
Rn having compact FMJ getting better pen than long ammo is silly.

[soft river]

I don't think so

long fmj exists and it has better pen

its just long ammo by itself is already so powerful

so its kinda seen as a downgrade for some guns

[hot vigil]

Yeah, but compact shouldn't get (better) long ammo pen with FMJ.

[soft river]

why

[queen jungle]

Mods can we get some control on suggestions channel? Brother has been spamming weapon suggestions for days and clogging the channel.

And can we stop having suggestions with users blocking the bot, it’s dumb.

[hot vigil]

It makes it a strictly better option, sure you get a slight MV drop, but getting long ammo pen on your compact is just way better.

[soft river]

the pen is not why its better

its the dropoff

[hot vigil]

It is

FMJ let you pen metal with compact

[soft river]

yeah I know I spam fmj like crazy

I don't use marathon or cent without it

but its because of the dropoff

[hot vigil]

Okay, so why are you opposed about a nerf to the pen then?

[soft river]

unnecessary

fmj isn't a problem to begin with

[hot vigil]

Dunno if agree with that, it is the ammo to pick on compact.

[soft river]

also the compact guns already have low damage, none going over 110

you lose damage with wallbangs

[hot vigil]

Well, depends.

[soft river]

if your point is pen, I will concede that compact pen sucks

so its a reason to use fmj

but its the dropoff

[queen jungle]

Tbf this depends on the player since I know a lot of people including myself would prefer hv to click heads better.

[hot vigil]

HV is also a problematic ammo type haha

[soft river]

I think you're just pointing at the wrong problem with why these special ammos are picked

its because compact is just not good

[queen jungle]

I think it’s fine since it lets you compete against other weapons that are way stronger slightly better but not perfectly.

[hot vigil]

Dunno, think it is fine that compact gets medium ammo pen with FMJ and medium gets long ammo pen with FMJ, bc rn a lot of FMJ options on compact just makes better medium guns.

[soft river]

its like the nerfs to the knuckleknife

crytek wrongly thought the knuckle knife was too good

but its really just the duster and knife suck

and they for some reason nerfed their price too idk

[queen jungle]

Doesn’t medium fmj also pen like double long ammo.

[soft river]

it was weird

[hot vigil]

Well, as I said, I want a major overhaul of ammo, it also means that long ammo is getting hit a little.

[hot vigil]

Yeah, same with compact, well, maybe not double, but more than long.

[queen jungle]

Damn, I barely use it so never knew, good to know.

[hot vigil]

Hence why I wanna scale them back a little, yeah sure medium ammo FMJ technically can pen like 3 metal sheets or something like that.
But if compact can pen 2 metal sheets, that is usually good enough in 99% of the cases.

[soft river]

1 is enough

like I said, I use fmj all the time

I never ran into a situation where I was like, fuck yeah 2 metal sheet pens

because I never run into that situation where I have to pen 2

[hot vigil]

Exactly, hence compact FMJ weapons tends to be better than Medium FMJ weapons

So to give medium FMJ a use, it would be good to scale back compact FMJ a little.

Here is some of an overview of the FMJ and pen

Woops screen capped it wrong

[soft river]

ok I still don't see how its a problem

[hot vigil]

Here is a fuller more relevant list.

[soft river]

just because it exists doesn't mean it needs to be changed

its just kinda there

my point was like, thats a moot point

theres 0 situations where you'll need the 2

[hot vigil]

YES

[soft river]

it doesn't impact the game whether or not it exists

[hot vigil]

My point

is that

Compact FMJ is SO GOOD, that Medium FMJ is kinda not worth it.

[soft river]

your graph shows it as worse

idk what anti compact company paid you

[hot vigil]

It is good enough

Compact FMJ pens small trees and brick.

Like that insane.

[soft river]

I really don't get why thats an issue

I'm sorry but genuinely do not understand your point

[hot vigil]

If you pen 3 wooden walls, sure medium ammo can be better than compact, but that is sucha edge case and not that easy to pull off as medium ammo guns ain't as rapid fire as comapact.

That medium ammo is already struggling to not be the worst ammo class in the game.

And actually putting some limits on compact might help that

[soft river]

ok that point is not great, you mentioned that compact guns fire fast, and medium guns don't

sure

but thats not an issue of the ammo?

you kinda have to separate gun from ammo when discussing ammo discussion

medium ammo is stricly better than compact, even by not much

long ammo guns aren't actually that much better than the medium guns while separated

they are completely carried by their ammo

[hot vigil]

Well, guns and ammo are designed in conjunction of each other.
The compact ammo philosophy is: Lots of bullets and great fire-rate at the cost of weaker bullets.
Compact FMJ makes those bullets not weak

[soft river]

they still are weak though

[vital fractal]

Tbh, I think that’s not fair to do since the use of the ammo being discussed and the format in which it appears is very important to the argument of an ammos strength

[soft river]

like I said, compact weapons have low damage

[soft river]

since the discussion is primarily rifles you can separate ammo from gun

a centennial with long ammo would be better

with compact it would be worse

the gun still has the same stats

the ammo changed

now imagine a mosin with medium ammo

same situation

[hot vigil]

Yes, but FMJ still makes them stronger and goes against the design of the bullet class.

[soft river]

yeah cause of the dropoff

[vital fractal]

Yes, on base category if you keep every stat but the ammo classification the same that’s true

But that’s not how hunt works. There is a notable increase and decrease in certain stats as a generality as you change ammo classifications

[soft river]

we agree that fmj makes it better, but for some reason you focus on this point that is not really why its just better

fmj with just pen would be an upgrade but not as big as with dropoff

[soft river]

the krag shoots about as fast as the centennial

[hot vigil]

I mean, sure we can also touch the drop off range if you want to do that?

[soft river]

it has the same issue as the centennial, having 124 damage (lower than 125)

[hot vigil]

Something about FMJ needs to be changed

[soft river]

the mako right now has the most ammo in chamber at 7

equal to that of the vetterli

shoots I think about the same speed

[hot vigil]

Naw that is just bc the baseline for long ammo is busted with the expectancy of +125 damage.

[vital fractal]

Yes but it also has a lower ammo capacity, higher cost, lower reserve, and then you get into subjectives unless recoil and sight picture are that notable to you

[soft river]

every medium ammo rifle except the centennial is 125+

the same is with the krag

[vital fractal]

Ah drilling?

[soft river]

is it 120

[vital fractal]

Also saying every when it’s… 2

[soft river]

I don't use the drilling much because they gave it such a ridiculous price

[hot vigil]

Drilling is 120
Cyclone is 124

[soft river]

so I don't have its stats memorized

[vital fractal]

Still exists

[soft river]

ok I just didn't know

[vital fractal]

That’s fine

No one knows everything lol

[soft river]

cyclone is a vetterli variant

I won't be counting it

[vital fractal]

It might as well be a different gun

Like the uppercut vs conversion base

[hot vigil]

I count it like we count the Upp-
Damn grog is on point

[soft river]

uppercut is unlocked via the conversion but is almost entirely different

cyclone just shoots faster and does less damage

[vital fractal]

We can even bring the avto mat in as a point too

[soft river]

uppercut has literally everything different

besides the fact its a pistol

[vital fractal]

Yes, but it’s a variant by the games logic

The cyclone inherently changes the Vetterli

[hot vigil]

Also to be noted, due to medium being medium, sure the springy looks scary with 132 damage, but it goes down to 124 damage at 26m

[vital fractal]

The increased rate of fire that’s automatically actuated

Yeah

[soft river]

yes that is my point

the ammo is bad in comparison to long

long is just stricly better

its not the gun's fault

its the ammo

[hot vigil]

Again, ammo and guns are created together

[soft river]

hold on I gotta launch hunt

I'm going to compare the vetterli to the mako

[hot vigil]

Why does the Mako lever slower than a Winnie? or a Cenny?
Well, due to balance mostly.

[vital fractal]

Long as a basic class is better though, just how hunt plays since at least in higher skill lobbies- the distances are longer on average and fire fights shorter

But that’s not to say that Compact FMJ isn’t over tuned

[soft river]

wtf is up with this compact fmj hate

I've never seen this before

[vital fractal]

However, depending on context- the compact can be better than Long

[vital fractal]

It’s not hate, it’s actually analyzing how compact FMJ is really strong

[soft river]

but its not that strong!!

its better than compact because compact is bad

[vital fractal]

Compact was designed to be low powered, low penetration, and low recoil but high volume

[soft river]

but its fundamentally just an upgrade to the worst ammo in the game

[vital fractal]

There is a spectrum, it’s not binary

[vital fractal]

That’s one of the reasons FMJ in general in medium and compact is not a good idea

[hot vigil]

Yeah, not saying it ruining hunt showdown, but it negates compact's role, it negates medium ammo's role and it makes for less diversity of choice when it comes to ammo choice.

[vital fractal]

It provides MAJOR non proportional benefits to compact with no downside that is meaningful

Which is against what hunt intended special ammo to do

[hot vigil]

Every custom ammo were, on paper, since day 1, meant as a side-grade.

And FMJ downside is not enough to justify it as a side-grade.

[vital fractal]

As a result, as stated above by Big and even implied by you if not out right stated, FMJ is a direct upgrade on compact

And the extent to which it is a direct upgrade is major!

[soft river]

yes it is but it does not need a nerf

[vital fractal]

So that is two issues

[soft river]

thats silly

and especially when the reason why its so good is not even the pen

its the dropoff

compact has bad dropoff

pen too but again in comparison to long

[vital fractal]

How is that silly when by nature it goes against what special ammo is supposed to do?

[soft river]

every ammo has bad pen

[vital fractal]

Only medium and compact have bad pen, and even medium is ok in most situations

[soft river]

so long should be nerfed and or compact and medium buffed

why the fmj though?

[vital fractal]

You can do multiple actions, it’s not one or the other

[hot vigil]

Long should be nerfed, but don't think compact and medium needs to be buffed then.

[vital fractal]

If anything compact and long should be nerfed

[soft river]

WTFG

this is some crackhead balancing

nerf compact??

[vital fractal]

Medium honestly feels like it’s in a balanced state tbh and the other ammos need to be brought into line

[hot vigil]

About so +/- some of the custom ammo some of the medium guns have yeah :)

[soft river]

I am fundamentally incapable of understanding this nerfs to compact or its fmj

I end it here because our line of thinking is so fundamentally different I cannot even come to understand what you're saying

[vital fractal]

The damage is fine but you do realize their headshot multiplier is absolutely insane?

[vital fractal]

We didn’t even say what the nerfs are

I think it’s fine to end it here because it seems you have preconceived notions on what’s being discussed- before they are even discussed lol

[hot vigil]

I just want compact fmj hit, so it doesn't becomes "strictly better medium".

[vital fractal]

And of course a lack of mutual definitions and acceptable parameters to the discussion

[soft river]

but its not!!!!!

[hot vigil]

And as I said also want medium fmj hit so it doesn't becomes strictly better long, but that is more in conjuction with some nerfs I wanna give long ammo :)

[soft river]

its quite the opposite!!!!!!

ok yeah I'm done

medium fmj is not strictly better than long

[hot vigil]

read the whole line of text :)

[soft river]

what do you want to do to long ammo to make medium fmj strictly better than it

how drastic is that

[vital fractal]

He’s not saying he wants that

He literally said the opposite

To avoid that

[soft river]

I mean like if he wants long ammo nerfed so hard

that medium fmj were to become better than it

what on god's green earth would he want

[vital fractal]

There’s a a spectrum, again you are omitting that

Not everything is 1 and done or black and white

There can be ranges of changes made to balance items, it isn’t binary

[soft river]

crytek simply disagrees

changes are slow

[hot vigil]

I want long ammo's damage down, to compensate their headshot multiplier goes up so the maintain their long headshot range.
That said this is mostly for repeating long ammo rifles, so Sparks and Martini might be left unchanged.

[soft river]

they don't want to do drastic changes in one sweep

the knuckleknife was nerfed over the course of many updates

[soft river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127055586262012065/1155577469353603212/IMG_9710.gif

[vital fractal]

I’ll agree that crytek is slow

[soft river]

its way better this way

also big that change will do fuck all, I'm sorry

its not the gun

its the ammo

krag still 2 shots at like 120m despite its lower damage

centennial (since its damage is very similar) with fmj 2 shots at like 80

[hot vigil]

Well, if the base line is that Mosin deals 124 damage, then krag would go down in damage too :)

[soft river]

that still will do nothing

now you just lowered the overall powerlevel

it doesn't become more balanced

[hot vigil]

It removes A LOT of leeway of long ammo.

[soft river]

even with a low powerlevel, there can be imbalance

[hot vigil]

No longer 2-tapping arm at 60m for mosin

[soft river]

a mosin at 124 will still 2hko at chest at like 120m

[vital fractal]

Bro you keep bringing up unrelated red herrings by stating a general statement that neither of us have even implied about supporting

So it’s like, yeah that statement is true but that’s not being discussed

[hot vigil]

Sure, but it less than 2-tapping at current 158m.
With 124 damage it is 2-tapping at 115m
That is still a lot of range lost.

And we can still play with the body part multipliers too

[soft river]

ok, so now you nerfed long
what would happen to medium fmj

because you did say that you wanted to nerf medium fmj, so where would the other ammos like it be

[hot vigil]

Well, even with FMJ cenny 2-taps at 84m, that is still 31m shorter than a mosin.
So mostly, I want to lower the pen stats on medium FMJ so long ammo keeps its role as the "long range, great pen & good muzzle velocity" ammo type.

[vast geyser]

Ping is the issue, possible hackers, too. Lots of dodgy gameplay is what I'm seeing when I'm watching those fellas

[soft river]

so you just wouldn't change its dropoff

and just want the pen stats lowered

that is it

just the pen

this loops back to your dislike of its pen stats which I still do not understand why its such an issue

[hot vigil]

Just the pen. I think the FMJ reach for headshot is good for scoped medium rifles, so they can compete with with long ammo at ranges with drawback of muzzle velocity loss.

[soft river]

I have 1300 hours in hunt and never once thought "those damn compact fmj and its op pen!! this shit needs nerfing!!"

its like you just looked at its numbers which make it look really good, without thinking how it plays out in game

[vital fractal]

I think they may think they don’t need to touch the drop off if the adjustment of long causes the drop offs to no longer be an issue in their idea

[hot vigil]

I played in early access before FMJ and it have greatly changed compact ammo's role in the game.

[vital fractal]

Tbh I think if spitzer exists in its current form

FMJ should follow the same idea of less damage, but longer drop off and more pen as well minus the velocity since it’s well… not spitzer

[soft river]

spitzer loses damage because it loses nothing else

[vital fractal]

I mean it just logically makes sense from a ballistics stand point and follows the side grade logic of ammo

[soft river]

instead of trading velocity, it trades damage

[hot vigil]

No, I look at how oppressive long ammo is and now "easy" it can make up for bad shots and work backwards from that.
So I ask myself "what do I want long ammo to be" and start tweaking from that.

[soft river]

I do actually kind of agree with your long ammo changes, mostly the changes to how they'd perform at range

I disagree with your approach, directly nerfing their damage

[vital fractal]

It loses damage because it doesn’t deform on impact like soft lead… according to the game, FMJ does the same thing except the bullet shape is not changed nor is the powder charge changed like Spitzer thus the velocity is slower due to increased weight

[soft river]

I want a formula change

I was talking about your fmj pen change too

not your long change

like you want compact fmj pen to only pen 1 metal sheet instead of 2, but what does that actually do

it is such a rare scenario where you need to pen 2, and by your graph its already doing 49% damage

which for most compact guns, around 50

[hot vigil]

Well, for FMJ it exist in conjuction of long ammo nerfs.
Because if I want long ammo to be king of pen, then having compact and medium FMJ pen even more than normal long ammo seems really, really bad for long ammo.
So I wanna scale back FMJ, which is a long time coming as FMJ have always been a gripe for me, as they often are straight upgrade with no tangible downside to compact especially.

So for FMJ, as I said long time ago when all this started, I want FMJ to be more intuitive and simple than it is right now.
Most people don't even realize that FMJ pen is better than long ammo, so to streamline it it a little, I want compact FMJ changed to giving the pen statistic of normal medium ammo and medium FMJ to have the pen statistic of normal long ammo.

That would make it more intutive to think "I trade MV for more reach and move one step up on the pen scale".

[soft river]

if compact pen had the same as medium, it would be garbage

medium fmj would be the only good one

[hot vigil]

compact fmj would still give longer reach with drop off.

[soft river]

then people would choose it for my whole point, the dropoff

which they do right now

[hot vigil]

Well, which is fine imo, compact fmj is chosen for reach and slightly better pen.
Medium is chosen for the pen and the drop off is nice addition, but also tends to lose MUCH more MV as trade off.

[soft river]

yeah I'm going to end it for real

this is some wack ass balancing

and still do not understand how you came to this conclusion

I don't know how any of your ideas will solve anything, except long damage over range

[hot vigil]

I would make certain other custom ammo options for compact a little more attractive.

As currently FMJ compact is just so good.

But losing some of the wall-bang insanity would knock it down a little.

But dunno, maybe you just don't play around wall bangs.

[soft river]

I don't run into the scenario every game where I'm being wallbanged by Charles Lee or whatever, with his winfield m1873c with fmj and lost because of it

[spiral moon]

Are reactions not working rn?

[soft river]

no people blocked the bot

[spiral moon]

wha

why

[soft river]

dunno

[spiral moon]

Ugh

I just suggested a skin for My Hunter idea too XD

I’ll post it later

When the bot is fixed

[soft river]

actually the bot might be broken

I don't really have a suggestion rn

[hot vigil]

That is also fair, but dunno, jsut don't really know why you are so opposed against it if you don't think it is relevant then.

[soft river]

its an unnecessary nerf that solves no problem

I still use the knuckleknife despite its nerfs because it is fundamentally better than the other 2 weapons

[hot vigil]

It gives a little power to the medium fmj

[soft river]

fmj will always be fundamentally a good ammo

thats just how it works

[hot vigil]

Sure, but it can be less good.

[soft river]

but like, why

its not an issue

its just "lets nerf this thing because... it can be worse"

[hot vigil]

Well it is an issue if it feels like you need to pick the ammo for the guns to be functional.

[soft river]

its like anti balancing

[hot vigil]

Like you never see people running just compact ammo, it is always FMJ

[soft river]

yeah because compact sucks

[spiral moon]

He died once from it

[soft river]

you're looking at the wrong root of the problem

[spiral moon]

So he’s mad

[soft river]

its not fmj

its compact

compact isn't good

fmj makes it better

[hot vigil]

And sure, we could also give it the damage drop-off as medium ammo.

[soft river]

so its used more

the dropoff of medium is similar buit yeah thats a fine change

[hot vigil]

Compact is fine for most part imo, just gets clowned by long ammo so damn hard.

[soft river]

and then buff medium to be 30m

so it really is in the middle

[hot vigil]

That could be fine too.

[spiral moon]

Dude

Long ammo CANNOT be compared to compact

IN ANY WAY

They’re made for different things

[soft river]

thats what he said

oh

it still is true, the winfield is a compact gun with a marksman scope

infact theres another compact gun with a marksman scope

theres 2 of them

[hot vigil]

You need to, as it is an ecosystem.
Compact needs to work in the same arena as long ammo.
And while compact can perform in a lot of good match ups, long ammo is just too strong for it most of the time.

[soft river]

clearly crytek isn't against giving compact the same use cases as long or medium

[spiral moon]

Compact is made for generally quicker firing guns with less damage

Long ammo is generally a slower firing weapon with more damage

it’s the players choice for which they like

[soft river]

but also big hasn't been saying buff compact

he wants the opposite

infact they're quite drastic

he wants to nerf long

[hot vigil]

Yes, but long ammo's damage is so high and fast enough that it just negates many compact guns.

[soft river]

krag is fast

[hot vigil]

Yeah, krag is fast indeed. But still not as fast as most compact rifles.

[spiral moon]

Not really. Like, if I pop out with a Benjamin it’s over lol

compact is very useful For it’s purpose

Speed Vs Power.

[hot vigil]

what

[soft river]

what is a benjamin

[spiral moon]

The weird magazine fed gun

pistol

[soft river]

were lost

[hot vigil]

Bornheim.

Lol

[spiral moon]

OH

Oops

Lol

Yeah that one

[hot vigil]

Yeah, sure and if I sit in a corner with a shovel I can also kill a mosin sniper if he comes in.

[soft river]

the bornheim is not even that good of a fast firing weapon

it needs 3 hits outside of headshots to kill

[hot vigil]

But many "fair" engagements (both teams knows where each other is), the long ammo can a good fighting chance even if they are in the "optimal range" for compact ammo.

[soft river]

fanning on a conversion, or officer would kill in the same amount of time just because of that third shot

[radiant river]

Yeah but those are rng if you hit them

Also bornhein match

[soft river]

that one isn't a single slot

[radiant river]

But I think the pistols aren't good examples of why compact is bad since there's only 2 used long ammo ones

[soft river]

you need qm or a 2 slot weapon

actually alchemist's example was why compact is good

[spiral moon]

Compact is good

FOR ITS PURPOSE

[soft river]

were not talking about pistols since when it comes to that

[radiant river]

Well either way. The pistols and rifles are completely different conversations

[hot vigil]

Compact is fine until it gets denied its purpose.

[soft river]

the uppercut and mat are better because they do like 20 more damage than every other pistol besides the sparks lol

this discussion also started with rifles

not pistols

[spiral moon]

What do you expect when you pull out a compact gun and the guy Infront of you is hitting you in the head point fucking blank with a Sparks LRR

there’s not really a good argument there-

compact is COMPACT, it’s less powerful by definition

but you can hold a LOT more rounds

and often fire them faster

[soft river]

doesn't change the fact the meta favors high damage and dropoff

[radiant river]

Well first off you can't compare it to a sparks

[soft river]

why is the uppercut used by like every player in high stars

if your pistol isn't high damage, its gotta be able to spam

compact guns can shoot faster but your example of the bornheim is what they want

[spiral moon]

But you’re comparing it to long ammo

which you can’t

[radiant river]

No I'm saying no one who cares about winning is using a sparks

It sucks

[spiral moon]

I use a sparks.

[soft river]

thats a hot take

[spiral moon]

It’s a good sniper

You’re just SUPER bias

every player has their weapon.

[radiant river]

I don't think it is at all in the context of talking about meta

[soft river]

its a long ammo gun, already a plus

it has a decent velocity

[spiral moon]

Highest damage per shot besides Nitro

Btw

[soft river]

it has the highest damage outside of the elephant gun I forgot the name of

yeah

[radiant river]

Doesn't matter

Mosin 2 taps anyways

Which the sparks cant

[soft river]

are

ok

[spiral moon]

Does when I take someone out from 400 yards with a single shot

[hot vigil]

Meta speaks for itself, long ammo just too strong.
You don't have to go far out until compact becomes useless.
And even at close range long ammo is still scary due to the high damage and fast enough fire rate.
Winnie loses 2-tap to upperchest 43m out, that is not hard to play around.

[spiral moon]

You’re right I can one tap XD

[soft river]

this just in

the sparks cannot 2 tap

[spiral moon]

XD

[soft river]

mosin is obviously better than the sparks, we can agree

it is the meta rifle

[spiral moon]

But that’s how ammo works-

[spiral moon]

Depends on ur ply style

[soft river]

no it is worse, but it isn't a bad gun

its quite good

[hot vigil]

Sure, but I believe we should make it more polarizing.
So meta ain't just mosins and dolch P with FMJ.

[spiral moon]

Meta doesn’t really matter ngl

[hot vigil]

Which it have been more or less for 6 years

[hot vigil]

What star bracket do you play in?

[spiral moon]

4-5 usually

[hot vigil]

Okay, mid 5 and above it becomes very tiresome.

[spiral moon]

If I’m really good with one gun, who the hell cares about what the other guy is using?-

like,

lol

[soft river]

I haven't played 5+ in a while because my aim rusted like crazy

but it is long ammo hell

[hot vigil]

The mosin spitzer that 1-tap you at 140m lmao

[soft river]

I was like 50 points away from 6 stars at my peak

[spiral moon]

And?

Many guns can 1-2 tap with a headshot

Meta doesn’t matter

Just run whatever you’re best with.

[soft river]

"just click heads" is not really an argument I'd say

[spiral moon]

You tried to compare COMPACT and LONG AMMO

they’re made for different things

[soft river]

yeah and you can do it

[spiral moon]

now compact isn’t- an ideal round

But it’s not horrid

[radiant river]

I think dolch p is way more of a problem than mosin

[spiral moon]

not that I use it

[hot vigil]

Yes, but long ammo does TOO MUCH than just being long range distance.

[hot vigil]

Since it got FMJ for sure

[spiral moon]

it’s also louder, slower, and you carry less-

how would you nerf it?

[radiant river]

Like mosin is strong but at least it has side grades and Winfield/cent/officer will always have value as head clickers

Dolch p is just in a league of it's own compared to other sidearms

[hot vigil]

Lower damage, up headshot multiplier, long ammo now get more punished for hitting bad shots and still remain the headshot marksman bullet.

[spiral moon]

Ik it’s an odd running choice but I’ve really enjoyed the LeMat recently

[soft river]

I don't think "louder" is a good point since you can hear any type of gun from any meaningful distance

it just makes identifying them easier

[spiral moon]

So, I agree to a point.
Long ammo realistically would have a higher velocity and therefor do less meat damage because they’re thinner and faster, BUT rifles like the Sparks and other large bore guns should still do a lot of damage to the upper chest and such

[radiant river]

But the problem is that at a high level mosin spitzer is already widely used. So this doesn't necessarily fix the meta

[soft river]

2 loud ass shots back to back? nitro probably

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah, taht is always the caviat I forget to add, these long ammo changes are just for repeating long ammo, sparks and henry are fine due to 1-shot nature.

[spiral moon]

Yeah

And canonically

[hot vigil]

Spitzer is a whole other mistake

[spiral moon]

Would have bigger rounds

[radiant river]

Fair

[hot vigil]

That said, if you lower over all damage on those long ammo, the extra damage loss from spizter might actually matter.

[spiral moon]

the bolt action rifles, REALISTICALLY, would have thinner faster rounds for the most part.

[radiant river]

Yeah probably

[hot vigil]

I care about realism to a certain extend, but game balance is more important to me :)
You can argue most people don't really take well to be shot to the chest at 50m distance, winnie or mosin.

[hot vigil]

imagine, 90 damage to upper chest mosin lmao

[spiral moon]

No no Ik I’m agreeing with you that most long ammo needs more punishment for shots bellow the head, due to them being THINNER and FASTER not large bore.
The exception is large bore guns and rolling/falling block guns, I.e. Henry, Sparks, etc..

Medium and Compact ammo would be made to do as much meat damage on a target as possible

Not really penning

so I get the argument

[hot vigil]

Yeah, my point is that I didn't even think it that far from a "realism" perspective, I just see there is something wrong and want it fixed lol

[queen jungle]

The simplest e.g. I can give is that player who has 5+ kd in 20 games is probably a cheater
Man I know some legitimate players who would be very upset about getting banned for being good lol

[soft river]

5+ kd in 20 games sounds like a terrible teammate lets be real

[spiral moon]

Agreed

[soft river]

no shot you aren't a bushcamping sniper with that

but uyeah don't ban them

[queen jungle]

Also, you cannot simply ban somebody. Every players has a contractual agreement for playing the game that both sides (player and Crytek) have to adhere to. Simply banning because you think somebody may be violating rules can get a publisher into hot water.

[floral nova]

I have the impression that having a low ping gives you an advantage. I die a lot from guys shooting like they were doing preshooting.

[alpine crane]

Is there any chance we won't lose weapon XP when we prestige? This is really frustrating, and many people avoid resetting because of it.

[dusky tapir]

you mean unlocked variants? mastery XP remains

[alpine crane]

Yes, the variants

[unborn sandal]

That’s what prestiging is though

You lose your belongings and progress

if you didn’t then it wouldn’t have any meaning

[kind olive]

30 min matches no bounty no extraction

[hot vigil]

Think not having to unlock variants is too "free" and defeat the point of prestige, but having custom ammo unlocked after prestige would remove a lot of the pain :)

[tulip trench]

Can we please do something against leavers who run in harakiri, die due to being shotgunned in the face and insta leave afterwards. This is 2/3 our of all random q games for me now. So annoying..

If someone just left my lobby mid fight, let me at least keep my weapons. Just going broke bc of dumb behavior not being punished at all...

[alpine crane]

I think the opposite, some variants change how you play the game. If you don't focus on that tree, you'll never unlock the gun that fits your gameplay. Ammo is simpler, and I don't care too much about it. If I just want to play sometimes with the Mosin sniper, I need to play many games to reach that variant.

Is not like wow, I upgraded my weapon, now its stronger. They just change the gameplay style

[hot vigil]

Ammo is tied to event/challenge progression, so it matters a lot + fire/poison bullets is an easy way to farm meatheads for easy exp farming on weapons if you want to :)

And for some weapon trees custom ammo is like 50% or more of unlocks

So rather just not have that bloated

too much

[spiral moon]

Ever notice how some people just downvote everything because why not?

Lol

[spiral moon]

Prestige is almost useless as is

if you don’t like playing to unlock new weapons- don’t prestige

you don’t get anything but skins anyway

and imo they’re mid skins

@jolly field

Your idea for custom lobby is amazing

Especially for legendary hunters

also gives you something to look at while waiting 2 days for a match to start

[dusky tapir]

oof @leaden zephyr - I think you got reduced damage because of wallbanging without FMJ
#feedback message

[tiny pivot]

yeah penetration no fmj compact ammo that shit was lucky to do anything above 0 damage

pretty sure thats the marathon swift

[dusky tapir]

that looks like a prestige 1873

[dusky tapir]

yeah at 43 meters I'm surprised it penetrated tbh

[tiny pivot]

no theres the little swift mag thing at the top unless im mistaken. pretty sure thats the bpass skin

but yea

arguement for the sake of arguement, just unlucky

[empty oasis]

@surreal grotto you can already see all the skins you own in the Store> Legendary tab in game

[jolly field]

Thanks! I hope they implement some of that at some point.

[eager cobalt]

The recruiter page for legendary hunters needs to mimic the store page for faster browsing and selecting of skins.

Fix it

[unborn dagger]

@static moth I was thinking that which would be such a funny advantage but it wouldn't be good.

[polar vigil]

I feel like they should increase the amount of hunt dollars you receive. I feel like it's very minimal especially if you do extract but without the bounty

[frozen crater]

@queen jungle your suggestions would probably have a lot more value assigned to them if you unblocked the bot and let it assign reactions to your posts. I know Violet always goes through #game-ideas, but I'd imagine she would ignore posts that dont have any community engagement

Im sorry but I dont know what your point is because I really cant understand that sentence at all

lol

I cant understand you at all

rather, what youre trying to say

[junior crane]

#game-ideas message
It would be pretty and cool, but not practical, in multiplayer game you gotta navigate through menus fast.

[surreal grotto]

I'll have to check it out, I've never thought of looking there, thank you for letting me know!

[empty oasis]

You can hit "Hide Locked" and it will only show you ones that you own. You can also 3d view them from here

[surreal grotto]

Thank you! Though probably the reason why I didnt notice that is because I thought it only contais exclusive items that are obtainable in store. Also, there is no backpack icon, which represents owned items in other menus. So maybe some UX improvements could address that

[dusky tapir]

#feedback message @split linden curious if some of the Talon / Trauma weapons do the same, given their odd camera movement

[jolly field]

It doesn't have to be impractical, it's just a matter of knowing how to implement it.

[static moth]

No one plays that skin anyways, so I say why not 🙂

[split linden]

heavy attacks dont give me problems for some reason, i think it's just because it's more vertical shake and that's not so disorienting

[primal otter]

Hi all, after the latest update video with Fifield and no mention of the QUESTLINES again, I'm thinking wasn't this topic fairly new?
I remember that they said more questlines will come but if I am not wrong, the last one is quite a while ago 😦
Anyone heard news about more questlines to come?

[pulsar canopy]

no more questlines

[humble quartz]

@unique forum bruh did you really brought a suggestion with banning new accounts that has high kda? wtf 🤣

[unique forum]

@humble quartz do I really need to tell you why it actually works? I guess you need to start thinking and reading properly. maybe after you start doing that, you'll stop using this 🤣 smiley and understand how cringe it is?

[humble quartz]

first of all, why do you feel attacked? this is your problem 🙂 and second, the only cringe thing is your suggestion. have you ever played with the matchmaking a new char gets? i am prestige 50, and have a 1.29kda that is not moving. so pretty average, or also below average. but still my playstile is a lot better than this after 1200 hours, its just that with that many kills, kda is not moving anymore. thats why i tried making a new account. within my first 60 kills, i had a kda of 4+ because matchmaking is just sad on those low mmr. later the kda got lower, now with 200 kills its around 2.5. but still 4+ kda for the first 60 kills, and i am A COMPLETELY AVERAGE player with a 1.29kda. now imagine a 6 star player that already has a 2kda making a new account.. he would have a 5/6+ kda easily. what kind of system would it be to ban them just because u think they are hacking lol

[unique forum]

@humble quartz man, this type of system works in Rainbow Six Siege to prevent games with rage cheaters. I said TEMPORAL ban which actually means "short period of time" if you did not understand that. Its not ok when cheater plays on 5-6 mmr and gets 50 kills per 20 matches in a row with overwhelmingly high kd

[humble quartz]

u told "player who has 5+ kd in 20 games is probably a cheater" . this is just pure misinformation. a 6 star mmr player keeping a 2 kda (while playing against other 6 star players) is like having a 5+kda on lower mmr. have u ever tried making a new account and watching the mmr, how absurd it is and which time of noob players it puts against you, even if you are a 6 star player? if you play only solo, you can easily keep a 3-4kda+ also once you are higher mmr, because as a solo you will NEVER go to 5/6 stars

wipe the entire lobby, get killed 2 times and you still remain at 4 stars all the time. maybe low 5

[unique forum]

@humble quartz can't you understand that it DOESN'T matter if you are smurfing? I said it's just almost impossible to get 50 kills in 20 matches on high mmr with this high kd. You can get your 5+ kd on any mmr but you will sit in the bushes almost not making any kills and playing safe

[humble quartz]

well i got mine while playing only shotgun and uppercut, so only push, with an average of 10 kills per hour. and as i said, i am a 1.29 kda player. now imagine what a 6 star player could do..

the matchmaking is hunt is wrong, especially on new accounts and if u play solo

a system like banning them temporarily would never work

because of the matchmaking beeing broken

[unique forum]

@humble quartz 6 star player can't do a lot of kills playing with other people with the same mmr. this is how matchmaking works - it tries to give you oppenents that will give you challenge

[humble quartz]

yeah, but if you play solo this is not true. a new account playing only solo, will reach crazy high kda without problems

[unique forum]

@humble quartz after saying that can you read one more time my suggestion? I said "20 games on 5-6 stars mmr with this high kd". Which actually means "he played 20 games with opponents who have 5-6 stars mmr, made a lot of kills and played 5+ kd playing these 20 games"

[humble quartz]

Still doesnt change the fact that you can’t automatically ban them. What if he is an absurd camper and doesnt move..

[unique forum]

@humble quartz absurd campers cant make a lot of kills man. have you ever tried to camp? matches with a lot of kills with this kind of playstyle are just rare. thats why there is a cap for 20 matches played, not only 1 match

@humble quartz in conclusion, absurd camper can have 5 of 20 matches on high elo with 10+ kills. But the thing is cheater will play all of this 20 matches with 10+ kills. There is a small chance that player just got extremly lucky (which is extremely low chance). To prevent perma ban of innocent player I suggest TEMPORAL bans for this kind of situations. With this kind of system 99% of temporal banned players will be cheaters. There will be just less rage cheaters playing in lobbies with auto-nagant