feedback-discussion

[green moat]

You weren't there, and you're not the developer of this game. This game is based on community feedback.
Just because you can imagine yourself winning doesn't mean this condition doesn't exist. You're imagining this as something easy and that I made a decision to lose.

If you can't take someone's word and just counter-argue all creative solutions, do not participate, because you're thwarthing actual progres.

[slim pollen]

Said community feedback seems to disagree with what you believe is best in this scenario.

[green moat]

Community feedback to the developers, you're just picking bum fight because you're bored.

[green moat]

Nobody's gonna read the guy saying "I think it's a supid idea".

[slim pollen]

I'm Laughing actually.

But in seriousness, do you really believe that based on what you've described there was absolutely nothing you could do?

[turbid hound]

I mean, every description of situation that was provided by you says that it was indeed a you problem

You lost that game, accept it.

[green moat]

You have to imagine a person who isn't trying to win, they're playing with their food.

[turbid hound]

Not because of some snipers, but because of poor decision s that you took. Anyone can make mistakes and that's normal way of things

[green moat]

We don't decide other people's loadouts and strategies. People will do whatever the game allows them to do.

[turbid hound]

Snipers did participated in that though, yes

[green moat]

They were in the game, but they just sat there and did nothing. Just kept repositioning to keep us there, they didn't push, and when we pushed they retreated. There was no end-game.

[turbid hound]

And game did not forced you into corner, nor snipers

[green moat]

I love how you're trying to make it seem like "you opened the game", it's your fault.
The game is based on feedback. I'm giving that feedback so that it's out there.
Quashing it because you feel opinionated doesn't lead to anything.

[turbid hound]

There is really not a single way to be at your event horizon, and threaten your extraction

[green moat]

Okay put yourself at the top left of the map.
3 snipers block your way.
All extracts are on opposite ends.
Now exit.

You try to push, they pull back enough so you can't see or hear them.
You try to pull in, they move in a little so you can't see or hear them.

[turbid hound]

I'm giving you my feedback on your suggestion.

[green moat]

It's really just for the devs to see.

[slim pollen]

Hunt's maps are heavily built with cover in mind, especially so around (most) compounds. There are plenty of routes out of any compound that will keep you obscured from snipers on the way out. The fact you couldn't find one implies a lack of map knowledge, which in the most basic terms is a skill issue. I don't say that to be demeaning, there's plenty of spots around the various maps that I'm still learning things about, but me not knowing things about the game doesn't mean the game should change.

[green moat]

Have you ever been pinned down by a sniper in the lighthouse on the way out of the game?

[turbid hound]

How did they prevented your push to their position? I just can't think of a scenario that let some snipers be at constant distance away from you and be effective at holding you at bay

[slim pollen]

Yes actually, easiest kill I ever got.

[green moat]

No way, I asked the only question that lead to a perfect kill!

[slim pollen]

You realize I'm talking about killing the sniper, right?

[turbid hound]

Crytek's email for the devs's eyes only. You came here to complain, then get told where you might be not right

[slim pollen]

The lighthouse is the easiest location in the game to push.

[green moat]

You are playing duos, you have a shotgun.
Your friend with long ammo gets headshot, the sniper was waiting the whole game for this.
They sit there waiting for you to pick up on a clear dirt road.
You have a token, you are visible on the map and in dark sight, they don't even have to look down.
Easiest kill you ever got.

[turbid hound]

Sniper on the lighthouse is probably the least threatening sniper if you know his position

[green moat]

That's not true, many of the ideas I posted are in the game now. That's what keeps me coming back.

[slim pollen]

There's plenty of cover leading up to around 45 meters to the base of the lighthouse, by the time the cover is gone i'm to close for them to snipe me. Now I'm climbing up a tower with only one entrance and I have a shotgun.

[turbid hound]

How is that combats anything I said about publicity of feedback?

[green moat]

You're just fantasizing a situation. I only describe things that I experienced.

[slim pollen]

And you're not?

To continue, I've done exactly what I just described, except it was with a bayonet, not a shotgun.

[green moat]

Your opinion isn't feedback, you're a guy standing at the feedback line telling someone not to give feedback.

[slim pollen]

Have you ever heard the term negative feedback?

[green moat]

I guess respect is out the window.

[slim pollen]

In what way am I being overly disrespectful.

[turbid hound]

Literally never said that.
I said that your feedback is more of a complain or even whining, and my thoughts about it. Nothing really constructive about it.

[slim pollen]

Or is pointing logical gaps considered a sign of disrespect?

[turbid hound]

And as you are allowed to complain about something, I am allowed too

In this case, your complains

[green moat]

Of course, just don't consider your reply as constructive.
I went out of my way to propose an idea and you sound like you have a say in it.

[turbid hound]

Am I not?

[slim pollen]

This channel exists exactly for that purpose as stated in its description.

[green moat]

More power to you.

[turbid hound]

That starts to look like a trolling, and I should be asleep an hour ago, so I'm out. Good time of day to everyone.

[slim pollen]

I think I'm done too, this reeks of bait but it was fun to bite for a while.

[green moat]

Perhaps you understand a bit how the experience was after all.

[unborn smelt]

@hearty junco There is already a softlock at 225 ms Ping.

If your ping exceeds 225 ms on a region, you cannot select that region to play on - you can however still play in such a region if you're invited into a party with a player that has <225 ms ping to that region.

Also Hunt is clientside hitreg with serverside validation - high ping does not cause you to miss enemies, because getting a hit is determined firstly by your own client, and if not rejected by the server, it overwrites the client of the guy being shot, so in your examplethe high ping players client ( they call it a favor the shooter system).

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-state-of-hit-registration-in-hunt
Here's the dev's blogpost regarding it

[paper whale]

@analog parrot not on console. But I can imagine how awful it must be. I hope the devs listen, and aa is removed.

[analog parrot]

Thanks. A lot of enjoyment has been killed for me. I hope they backtrack.

[slim forum]

Think that legendary hunters should get 4 traits to start now, since they started the 4 trait system

[rapid fractal]

I like that they've consolidated the scopesmith and iron traits into single traits instead of three separate ones

[unborn dagger]

Agreed, one of the better chanhes theyve done

[rapid fractal]

How might the Murata be implemented in a way that makes it not just a Lebel reskin? Maybe give it a more arcing trajectory similar to the krag?

[acoustic portal]

@mellow frost I think replays should only be available to watch after your team is all dead, similar to not being able to spectate the enemy till your team is dead

@hushed sage On the arm hitbox, FMJ and similar ammo that increases penetration can go through the arm to hit the chest

[slim forum]

you guys think decoy trait should include fuses? Or maybe have resupply supply all 3 back at once, counting as one equipment item

[hushed sage]

Ah that makes sense. We were running standard ammo. Thanks for the tip

[acoustic portal]

very welcome! Arm still reduces the damage, but not by as much with the penetration

[acoustic portal]

@unborn dagger Why the thinking + downvote? o:

[green moat]

@acoustic portal totally great idea, though I think it should only happen if someone is aiming at your head.

[acoustic portal]

Fair, that's part of the reason for the differing cones

[tiny pivot]

Love the idea of berserker staying, it really is a perk that helps make levelling less annoying and the melee meta is already plenty set in stone

A gun butt arguably isn't much better than the cavalry saber, bat, bomb lance, any of the other melee mainstays atm

I would recommend it being higher points though for two main reasons, firstly if its too easy to get everyone will run it esp on fresh hunters and level super fast, and secondly it makes bosses die so fast in bomb lance type builds its not evne funny

[vital fractal]

I don’t know, what’s the point of hornskin if berserker stays?

Hornskin would need a rework

[radiant river]

it already sucks

[vital fractal]

Hornskin needs a rework anyways then

[unborn dagger]

That is true

[humble quest]

@azure nimbus You... you can already just pick one

[azure nimbus]

cap

also 11 ms

[humble quest]

No like literally. You can just leave the window like this

[azure nimbus]

breh

[humble quest]

Select one and hit close

[azure nimbus]

i get stuck on us east with 110 ping every game

[azure nimbus]

bro wasnt capping

he was speaking truth

[tiny pivot]

that truely is the Hunt moment

"no you can't" "yes you can" "no you can't" "oh shit, I can"

[rotund obsidian]

@normal reef #game-ideas message You can separate the bindings yourself if it's an issue

I've definitely been in situations where i wanted to interact with something before stopping my bleed, ie closing a door, and occasionally snatching a gun

[normal reef]

That sounds amazing, what settings would I go to change that?

[rotund obsidian]

if you're on keyboard, just the key bindings, if youre on controller then damn that's tuff

[normal reef]

I guess it’s tuff then lol

[queen jungle]

@haughty violet Please add a retailed description to your post in #game-ideas

[weary fox]

Do our suggestion ideas actually get looked at? And can we criticize ideas?

[wanton imp]

you can criticize in this channel i think. and suggestion ideas do get looked at thats how we got the pax trueshot.

[weary fox]

Pax longbarrel came from suggestions??

[wanton imp]

people suggested it multiple times

[weary fox]

I never knew this. I just thought the devs went "let's make a diet uppercut"

[weary fox]

I see, thank you

[wanton imp]

it was basically a heavily requested gun to give the pax some love and all that

[weary fox]

I'm surprised the suggestion I made with bulletgrabber isn't suggested often

[late quartz]

Honestly you're 100% right, this seems like a massive oversight

if you reload with one round left the animation will still show another round in the magazine while reloading.

[weary fox]

Whoever downvoted must not like quality of life changes I guess

I'm not suggesting to nerf one if the most powerful rifles nor pistols

[late quartz]

It's definitely not a quality of life change, it's a buff even if a minor one

But tbh it's a buff to bulletgrubber which is kind of... not that good right now

Being able to reload bolties between shots without losing any ammo kind of made it a laziness trait more than an actual increase in ammo economy

[weary fox]

I personally always take B grabber

Because I love the animation of it and yes I am lazy

I've seen trait tier lists and many say bulletgrabber isn't a necessity

So a minor buff like this would be a nice one

[elfin zephyr]

You guessed wrong. Think of Schrodinger's cat you don’t know if its dead or alive until you look. Now think of the bullets your hunter carries, you don’t know if they are on a clip or loose in your pocket until you reload. Is there going to be a new reload animation for those loose bullets you catch to load in to a clip or at a certain point or have to reload all 5 individually? Your idea and how cryteks iteration of reloading is flawed.

[unborn dagger]

Wut?

[elfin zephyr]

Seeing how you can’t spell what properly i can see why you don’t understand

[unborn dagger]

Wat?

[weary fox]

You do know that Hunt isn't entirely realistic right? We can mysteriously use stripper clips when we have enough bullets. And it's not that deep lol, if you don't like minor buffs to an underpowered trait then say so, there's no need to go yap your mouth

[dusky tapir]

you're letting bulletgrubber access stripper clip reloads more often with that suggestion

it essentially buffs the guns you mentioned further

stripper clip reloads are part of the reason why the Mosin is a meta package

[weary fox]

it's still a good change

[dusky tapir]

😐

[weary fox]

sure I may be buffing the Mosin but

it's a minor buff

and 80% of the hunt community knows the Dolch is overpriced to hell

the mosin at best still isn't oppressive

and this wouldn't affect the oppressive variant of the mosin, the sniper

[deep stone]

Hello there,
I presume this question has already been asked a thousand times
I've juste seen that with the "Shrine Maiden's Hell" DLC, nowadays we can have the "Utsusemi" Katana legendary skin
Here is my question : How does it work for the people who bought this DLC before the existence of this Katana ?

[primal ether]

Got my skin automatically after unlocking Katana

[deep stone]

I have just relaunched the game to check, but I have this issue..
As we can see on the screenshots, the DLC is bought but the Katana is locked liked I had never bought the DLC..

Should I switch this conversation to the troubleshooting chat? 🤷

[wanton imp]

there is a fix for this

i think you have to unequip the DLC in steam then launch the game. make sure you can't buy any of the temple maidens skins. exit the game install it again then you'll have it.

[deep stone]

I'll try that after lunch 😉 Thanks

Allright !!! @wanton imp , I own you a beer for this one 👍
I have my Katana now 🙂

I hava updated my message in the bug section with the "how to resolve" 😉

[shadow osprey]

Any other console users know if there's a toggle for the double-tap-melee-equip change this update? Any solution to bring back quickswap/cancel reload animation?

[winter plover]

@azure nimbus at least on pc you can choose only one region, just leave the second one empty.

[acoustic portal]

@normal reef You can seperate healing and interact keys on PC for keyboard, not sure if that's possible for controller if that's what you use, but there is a way around this issue

[stark fulcrum]

Just wanted to say I love the new giant corrupted old trees crytek! Reminds me of the tree if the dead from sleepy hollow!

[arctic flame]

Why people complains with the lvl up with the passe ? It’s not that hard ?

[wanton imp]

getting event points normally (ingame looting alters/hunters.) is extremely slow compared to challenges.

[subtle lichen]

I would go so far as to call it "glacial". It's so unbelievably slow. Now instead you have such fun challenges as "Damage hunters using crossbows" 🤢

[subtle lichen]

#game-ideas message This is by some distance the stupidest suggestion I've seen on here. Love it.

[mystic ridge]

Nah that's actually amazing

[subtle lichen]

It being stupid didn't stop me from giving it a thumbs up

[arctic flame]

In a winning game you can get easily 100+ token if you do like bad game you do like 40 ish 50 token per game

[wanton imp]

thats still 8-20 games for a single level.

[arctic flame]

Yeah I know :/ but they give so many 100% XP token last event they probably do that in this event too

With the 100% it’s like 300 token per game

[soft river]

@silk crown still too much issues with that

The only way to do it is through nerfing

Especially since every gun is getting a skin

[subtle lichen]

Balancing guns around how much they cost was never going to work long term.

[short smelt]

They’re making money so incredibly easy to obtain. I’ve gotten 30k in like 3 days not because I was winning, but because of that 3000 I get every 20k xp. Insane. Money means even less than it did, which I didn’t think what even feasible.

[subtle lichen]

It already meant nothing to some players, but I'm part of whst I imagine is a sizeable contingent who struggled. I expect it was aimed at us rather than people rolling in dollars.

[flat sandal]

struggled how?

also does it feel bad to struggle or is it kinda fun?

[wanton imp]

depends on the player. if you're struggling getting bounties feel more rewarding basically everything feels more rewarding. but you can't go expensive loadouts all that much.

[flat sandal]

I think that should be the norm with expensive stuff being actually hard to get and not happening much in lower levels (MMR) unless you grind for it a bit

rn I play what I want and never really feel the need to pick stuff up either. I don't have an expensive taste most of the time though

[green moat]

@God the best way to look at it is, Hunt is an FPS shooter with a high density of gambling mechanics. This is by design.

It's unlikely that will change because the rolls are what triggers an addictive reaction from users.
So far every revision to consolidate the interactions has resulted in more clicks, more rolls, more gabling.

The game is like a stack of pancakes with randomization at every interaction, including
normal functions like door opening, but more obvious with looting.

Take Mr. Cheri for example. That doesn't actually do anything IN the game.
It's just a gambling mechanic on top of the lobby to pad some shortfalls that the base experience has.

Adding fire to the maps was a way to further randomize maps from 3 to 6.
Rain conditions double that number from 6 to 12.

Same goes for hunter rolls, the black market and whatever else they come up with.
The only thing to do in this case is not to take the game too seriously.

Hunt is not a SERIOUS game, it just has a serious premise.

Don't expect a predictable experience because the target is addiction not gameplay.
Having the same type of game twice is deliberately elusive to keep you wanting it.

[unborn dagger]

You keep using the word gambling and I dont think you know what it actually means

[slim forum]

my favorites are when I'm handing out one shot headshots, not when reciving them

gotta gamble on those headshots

[jagged wagon]

Yeah, they are “surprise mechanics” 🤣

[unborn dagger]

Those god damn suprise headshots! 😠

[jagged wagon]

Aye, and the surprise trades are hardly even a surprise most of the time.

[ashen sequoia]

Do you mean the bigger the risks the bigger the reward

[green moat]

Where is the risk when you're rolling a hunter in the lobby? Or getting items from Mr. Cheri, or picking up a consumable? It's a gambling mechanic aka. dice roll.

[void estuary]

So I just hit darksight in a boss compound it flashes white, clue above me upstairs white ...climb ladder a foot behind me, shot by crossbow before I even make it up from guy right above me. You can't make up this level of ridiculousness right after the game crashes and I lose a 48lvl hunter right before. This is unplayable. Give Durango players their money back if you're not going to fix it.

[green moat]

I have been with this game since 2018, it's just dice rolls mixed in with FPS.

This is happening to most games these days, people who were part of the Online Poker world have found their way into the gaming sector, now every good game is just that, gambling.

The FPS aspect of the game is great, but everything surrounding rewards is a dice roll.
Prove me wrong.

[humble quest]

@edgy sparrow have you used the drilling this patch? It's like that

At minimum it reloads then all. I don't think it prioritizes the one you're on

I might have speedread and missed the main point.

[edgy sparrow]

@humble quest Oh thx haven’t played it yet or haven’t noticed. Maybe I will start playing the Drilling again

Nah the main issue I had that you had to switch ammo type to reload the weapon completely and you often forgot it

[humble quest]

Then yeah it does now reload all missing bullets

[edgy sparrow]

Noice thank you

[unborn dagger]

"People who were part of the Online Poker world have found their way into the gaming sector"

Okay conspiracy theorist whatever you say lol

[green moat]

Read the news kid. Gaming is the new Poker.

[humble quest]

I don't think things like "what weather does the match have" falls under gambling

[unborn dagger]

No it really isn't

[green moat]

Please explain your point.

[unborn dagger]

He'd think landing a headshot would be gambling at this point

[green moat]

I can't help you if you're not reading right.

There is literally discusion in EU to crack down on loot boxes, why do you think that is?

[humble quest]

Loot boxes do not have anything to do with most of the points you made

[green moat]

Anyway, I'm gonna exit this conversation rather than have a mud fight.

[unborn dagger]

Exactly

[green moat]

Anyway

[ashen sequoia]

What about game play

[green moat]

No complaints about the FPS aspect of it. I just want to be clear, that comment was to a specific individual who posted something, I really don't want to talk to you 🙂

[humble quest]

Guy genuinely can't seem to separate what randomization is compared to gambling, as they are not the same thing.

Are loot boxes a big problem in gaming? 100%. Is charry a loot box because it gives a random item? No. The loot boxes that are the issue is micro transaction loot boxes that are encouraging players to spend money. Charry, random consumables in game, the weather. None of this is gambling mechanics that the EU is after or anyone for that matter.

[paper whale]

#game-ideas message
For the love of God please don't 🙏

[ashen sequoia]

): ok sorry

[lethal silo]

@mellow mural yo what the f***? this looks awesome!!! I want this so badly!!!!!!!!

#game-ideas message

[mellow mural]

It's official concept art from very early in development, I believe.

[lethal silo]

with the new Hatchet variant this would be a good very good addition I even asked Dennis last he's streamed if we could get some more mace variants but this would definitely be better than just a regular mace Let's Go full awesome melee variants like within new Hatchet and this

yo who are those weirdos disliking that cool weapon concept????

[mellow mural]

People who believe we're in a spam meta, I imagine. I remember someone telling me that the regular Terminus Handcannon was OP/already too good lol

[lethal silo]

lol, lmao even, Terminus being meta laugh out loud

it is one of the weakest shotguns because you need a lot of stuff to make it good and I am a person use it

it can't be it? I think it's because some people don't like the idea of more melee variants? in general

let me ask to THE gentleman why they don't like the idea because I'm actually curious

@stark fulcrum @paper whale @gloomy pelican @frozen crater may I ask? why you people don't like this cool new awesome idea that has been suggested? with such an awesome design?

come on don't be shy, I'm actually curious, because this is such a cool idea and it's definitely gonna happen, if this is concept art because it makes sense we would get more medium melee variants now especially of a blunt variety

so tell me,, why do you not like this idea,, because I have not heard of a single person not liking that idea of more melee variants, usually it's weapons which shoot too fast or shotguns in general.

but not a meleevariant! who the f*** complain about that`?????

[frozen crater]

Because the only downside being a slower reload is a dumb idea

plus, we don't need to justify ourselves if we dislike a suggestion or the nature of the suggestion.

[stark fulcrum]

@lethal silo bc there is a ballsack hanging on the end

[paper whale]

Personally it just looks like it's going into Call of Duty like modern attachments direction🙈🙈🙈

[stark fulcrum]

@paper whale thats a real answer lol

[frozen crater]

straight upgrade variants are dumb anyways

[lethal silo]

okay fair enough this some ideas I don't like even though a lot of other people like them

[lethal silo]

????

[stark fulcrum]

Next time just ask in dms if you'd like an answer vs mass pinging everyone who hit downvote. No offense meant

[lethal silo]

no there is not? that's a group of skulls made of metal

[stark fulcrum]

I was jk lol

Bc you mass pinged us

[stark fulcrum]

This summed up my thoughts

White shirt said it well

[paper whale]

[lethal silo]

I both disagree and agree? first off I don't think this game is going anywhere near! the ridiculousness of Call of Duty, because this game actually cares about how realistic weapons are and for example the reload mechanics not being realistic? is because of the game itself not because of the developers or stuff like that

but I definitely agreed this design is definitely something you would see in Call of Duty

but the idea of having a front hand guard? together with mace at the back of the gun? would be amazing you would have to agree

[lethal silo]

I think that's best some downsides feel dumb if they are there and not good at all beyond balancing but some do make sense

[lethal silo]

if all of you think this game is turning into Call of Duty just by this????

then you clearly have not seen some of the skins and clearly not play the game much because this is the game

for example the recent hatchet or the mace skin we already have

but I think the first one said it the best in my opinion it is your guys opinions and choice to dislike a suggestion

[paper whale]

Nuh I meant design wise. Ergonomic front grip, next pseudo red dot 😂

[lethal silo]

yeah that's where the direction is going more fun dark designs believe it or not but many of the developers are fans of Warhammer and many of the recent designs I believe have taken inspiration from that

[lethal silo]

I don't know? it makes sense if you have a hand cannon you want a front hand guard, otherwise you will feel the recall more so it actually makes more sense

anyway I will be making my own suggestion using that image but not now maybe some other time like a week from now if I remember

[paper whale]

I also like warhammer. Both 'Old world' and 40k. But not everything has to be in everything.😂
E.g. chainsword in Hunt? Nuh thank you.

[humble quest]

I could easily get a few people to play by that merit alone though! Chainsword that is.

[dreamy delta]

#game-ideas message I do love Knights. But this just feels out of place. This is a slippery slope to become Hunt Fortnite. Hunt doesn't need to be every setting there are aother games too. BUT there are nice medieval multiplayer games like Chivalry or Mordhau if you were not aware ot that.

[dreamy delta]

I mean there is lack of great 40k games - granted but why would we ruin Hunt's immersion for that?

[humble quest]

I definitely don't want a chainsword. I don't necessarily care about 'immersion' but crossovers of any sort is toeing a line I don't want them delving into

[dreamy delta]

Ohhh good. You had me worried there for a second xD

[humble quest]

I just thought it was a funny example. I legit know people who'd jump on the game for it alone

[dreamy delta]

Hmm I am pretty sure

#game-ideas message Would make more sense if it were at least a later period piece of armor. Like putting on a morion and some breastplate from that period. That being said, I still would prefer them not add it but at least it would be a tiny bit more plausible

[paper whale]

#game-ideas message
Would not be a swift then though. And why would one throw the (empty) cylinder away. I mean not picking up a round from the ground fine but the whole cylinder?

[stark fulcrum]

Of course I dont. I just don't like the looks of it simple as that

I'm not arguing or hating what you've presented i simply don't like the idea and im allowed that lol

Here's dagrog with the evening news

[vital fractal]

That Winfield “sweeper” idea keeps adding into the push for higher rof weapons, or weapons tuned to improve high rof performance

[stark fulcrum]

Hows it looking at desalle tonight grog

Chance of rain?

[vital fractal]

It’s looking very grey, with a 80% chance of spitzer mosin from a headsman- and don’t think the buildings will save you from the heat of a flare folks- the katana folk are out in droves tonight!

Keep your wits about you, and your slate with slugs nearby!

[stark fulcrum]

🤣

Now back to the main topic. Spam weapons and why you gotta get you one!

Don't be a slow shooting loser

[vital fractal]

Why is hunt starting to embrace spam weapons and special ammo for every gun

It was a meme that dolch would get FMJ like just a year ago, an actual meme

[stark fulcrum]

I want fmj nitro that shoots through the whole map

Why not

Just a gaping hole across Louisiana

[paper whale]

Guess you can thank partly the wider audience 🤔

[vital fractal]

See I think that’s bullshit, how do you translate “oh the Springfield now has hv? Well of the centennial got HV- I’ll play hunt now” (ignoring they probably don’t even know what the hell a centennial is)

I really do think it’s a lack of content for the BP + a lack of balancing ideas causing the flood of special ammo

[paper whale]

Or devs thought: other shooter have a lot of players > other shooter have less hardcore elements and more high rof > let's add this to hunt. I don't know. But a lot of people online seem to like the ideas / changes suddenly

[paper whale]

HV was just to make them more comparable to long ammo I guess.

[vital fractal]

A battle pass layout was definitely a bid to normalize how hunt works multiplayer wise whilst adding a monetization element

This was seen via the introduction of weapon charms, something that everyone knows is fluff

But the thing about having a battle pass, is it needs content of some sort-

And in typical game with BP fashion, it means a lot of content

But, hunt is a game where every addition to arsenal availability has to be well balanced or it throws the whole ecosystem out of wack

[paper whale]

I agree completely

[vital fractal]

When custom ammo was introduced, it was meant to complement niches of specific weapons OR introduce unique game play styles

That has been completely abandoned now a days and I simply cannot support it

[paper whale]

👍 👍
Couldn't agree more. Furthermore (while not important for balance) there were certain flavours to the weapons. E.g. Caldwell > DumDum

I also think the combination of high rof combined with dumdum or fmj was not thought out that well.

[vital fractal]

No it really wasn’t, neither was a few of the variants introduced recently

And of course this is all set in the background of increasing monetization pressure on the blood bond market

With the addition of Charms (fluff) to the Black Market, and loss of battle pass compensation that is common in other titles in the pass itself-

[paper whale]

Cyclone ... Drilling Hatched... even Drilling compact. The latter two just fulfill too many roles at once. And you cannot balance it by simply putting a high price on it. Especially since the new recruitment system screws over the eco even more

[vital fractal]

The new recruitment is just a money printer in the current system

[paper whale]

Oh man I really loved Hunt. But the direction we are heading. And also the additions which cannot be that easily be undone might be a slippery slope to the end of Hunt as we know and love it.

A fax? @vital fractal 🙈

[vital fractal]

Speekin strait fax

[empty summit]

Different devs

[empty summit]

Lmfao i remember that one

[vital fractal]

The ones I’m being told are from Halo and CoD?

Fifield buddy I really you aren’t behind this trend 🗿

[weary fox]

I can't repost ideas from myself right?

I wanna repost that small minor buff to Mosin n Dolch with bulletgrabber ;w;

[civic trout]

there has been a lot less developer transparency lately.
the only thing we really get is a quick gloss over of things they think will cause a problem.
like the aim assist.
there video on that drastically undersold what it was going to do.

[humble quest]

I don't think anything is going to stop you. Do you need to do it either? Probably not.

[weary fox]

True.... Guess I'll just think of another gun to add to the game then

[chilly sedge]

Is this where we can express how aim assist is ruining the game?

[civic trout]

this is where i’m putting it.
i couldn’t make it to a mountain top to shout it from.

[chilly sedge]

I think with the new sensitivity/dz settings, fine tuning has made it much easier to aim it’s just discouraging for it to feel better but just get out aimed due to aim assist. I have been getting domed consistently and the more I move the more I get hit. How? It is counterintuitive.

And different aim assist strength based on weapons just makes for a aiming experience which will feel inconsistent.

[civic trout]

i would like the aim assist to just have far less tracking.
i’m getting so much snap onto target fights with people using high fame age weapons.
i used the aim assist so i would know how it works and it just feels like call of duty.
right now it feels like it’s at 11 and it needs to be at a 4 at best.

[empty summit]

Did you mean to say i really hope?

I mean most of what fifield has done has been good overall its more good than bad but

Theres a lot of bad that is real easy to avoid and is just unnecessary

So its pretty annoying when stuff that doesnt fit gets added when you can EASILY see it doesnt fit

[vital fractal]

I was referring to the particular trends discussed above, not as a judgement as a whole on the person or his work

[empty summit]

No i mean it seems like your sentence is missing a word

[vital fractal]

If he has attributed to those trends/topics/ideas I brought up grievances with- that’d suck cause otherwise I support him based on interviews I’ve seen of him

[empty summit]

Right after you say "i really"

[vital fractal]

Oh lol

Lmaoooo

Bro I superimpose what I think over what I actually type

You can tell I type slower than I’m thinking, L

[empty summit]

Bringing on fifield is probably the best change hunt has ever had

But it also came with literally the worst changes hunt has ever had which can likely be attributed to him

Overall it is better but the shit like aim assist is just very icky

[weary fox]

Necro kinda deserves a nerf, it's basically meta and it only costs 4 trait points

And conduit now is basically a mediocre trait for 5 points.

[vital fractal]

If it came with the worst changes, is it the best change hunt has ever had?

I can’t speak to who caused what changes

But I can say, some of these past events have really been ranked “bruh” overall

[weary fox]

At this point, Hunt is losing its special charm. Devs are running out of ideas, let's add special ammo for guns left and right, I mean Centy HV? Seriously? Can't forget Cyclone too, let's add more spam. Add the Spitfire so it completely overshadows the Pax. Add the Trueshot so it also completely power creeps Pax.

[vital fractal]

It really is feeling like the changes are more desperate and less thought out

[empty summit]

Yes because it also had the best events new weapons balance changes new wild target stuff

The alligator we were asking for since literally the release of the game

[vital fractal]

Fair

[empty summit]

All the coolest stuff probably has something to do with him being added

[vital fractal]

if you can’t handle me at my >literal teleportation in hunt< you don’t deserve me at my >baseball bat<

[empty summit]

Mhm

Honestly

I like the teleportation

If it's only for a couple of events

It's funny

[vital fractal]

Is it amusing? Yes, for a couple days as a funny

Do I think it should stay? Hell no

[empty summit]

Will I did say for a couple events only

[vital fractal]

Something this big and controversial shouldn’t be forced on players for 2 months in a row

Or longer 👁👁

[empty summit]

Funny teleport button goes brrrr

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/HzhSmKL3HW

I killed one of them like three seconds ago after teleporting out of Lawson station building btw

[vital fractal]

Side note, why the hell do the bows have so much ammo lol

[empty summit]

It's so stupid

[vital fractal]

Please tell me you killed katana boy

[empty summit]

It's not strong enough for that to matter TBH unless you are talking about frags

[empty summit]

I hit him three times with dumdum

[vital fractal]

Frags have 7 total with two slots

[empty summit]

What do you think

[vital fractal]

Hey man, I’ve been hit three times with a dolch multiple times and walked away

I gotta ask

[vital fractal]

That’s actually not a lot

18 retrievable arrows, is a shit ton

[empty summit]

I love the katana

[vital fractal]

Haven’t had enough hands on time with it to make a judgement

[empty summit]

Yeah but it's not that good and i say that as someone who runs the bow half my games
Good luck finding all those arrows after the fight

[vital fractal]

Tbh, I don’t see people using more than 6-10 arrows/shot bolts before a fight is over

[empty summit]

Yeah but you will probably fight again later

[vital fractal]

Pick them up from the dead bodies lol

Unless you’re shooting them into the void

[empty summit]

If you use all your ammo on every fight there is either a design issue or a skill issue

[vital fractal]

Mmm avtomat dump nowadays 😔

[empty summit]

If you don't kill you might as well assume that arrows gone though

And most hits at range are not killing

[vital fractal]

That’s why I run shot bolt, as buggy as they are

Seriously

I’ll hit a square chest shot, they live

I hit some dudes toes on accident

And he dies

[empty summit]

I respect shot bolt but if you run explosive i will hate on you

[vital fractal]

I do

It’s fun

Especially as a trio

[empty summit]

Monster

[vital fractal]

I haven’t run it in a while

But

It’s fun

[empty summit]

Bro somebody on the hunt team gotta be a weeb

[vital fractal]

It’s Fifield I bet it is

He has a dakimakura doesn’t he

[empty summit]

No average person goes what if we add a katana and a quickdraw trait to our Louisiana cowboy monster bounty hunting game

[vital fractal]

Tbh

[empty summit]

Based

[vital fractal]

They did add Miko

Which is literally prime Waifu Bait

[empty summit]

It's prob the guy with came up with Ronin and Miko be so fr

[vital fractal]

Yeah, it was only time

But I still Stan Mama Maye

[empty summit]

And of course they give her the legendary katana to Miko and not Ronin the LITERALsamurai

[empty summit]

Redneck sideboob Master race

[vital fractal]

That was my main before Hail Mary, then mama was released

Now I Main Tier III

[empty summit]

No drip

[vital fractal]

Mama Maye has all the drip, take that back you putrid heathen

[weary fox]

If you gentlemen want to talk about drip, where's the Burnt Marshall and Plague Doctor? Or Sheriff Hardin?

[empty summit]

I play marshall and hardin

The kid redshirt miko redneck

Phantom is my favorite

[weary fox]

They're both hot as hell

Phantom looks like Micheal Myers but from the 1800-1900s

No offence

I still think he's cool

[empty summit]

It's phantom of the Opera you uncultured swine

[weary fox]

I don't care. Micheal Myers from the 1800s-1900s

Fight me >:)

I also don't like Redneck

[empty summit]

I cant wait to get called a tryhard for running phantom during the inevitable snow map/event

[weary fox]

Ehhhh???? I honestly don't see anything who'd willingly run Phantom in the Asia region

Everyone runs Headsman, Gator boi

And yes I am limited to Asia (sadly...)

[empty summit]

Hate headsman its the opposite of phantom you only run it for the gameplay benefits

He lacks any drip

Mfer wears a trashbag

[weary fox]

He's on the good life

[empty summit]

Phantom is exclusively ran for the drip

[weary fox]

Black coat?

[empty summit]

What about him

He's an edgy dork

[weary fox]

LMFAO

Poor guy died

Also, I bought the scrapbeak DLC hunters so I can show that. 1. Scrapbeak is the best (and cutest) boss in the game. 2. I want to support Scrapbeak in any way. 3. Scrapbeak is superior to every boss

Scrapbeak4life

[empty summit]

Thought about it then decided i would much rather buy a third of a new game than two decent skins

[weary fox]

[empty summit]

I did buy the kid just so i could make a tf2 scout loadout

[weary fox]

50% of Kid users I ask say this too

[empty summit]

When the bat released

But now i want a poncho

[weary fox]

🤔

Sure why not

Devs must release a DLC dedicated to consumable throwables + decoy fuses

Because Hive Jar and Big D Bundle don't get enough love

[empty summit]

Gib green and red flared

Green flare in deaths beacon

Why does it cost 200 more than the other flare gun skins but has normal flare

[weary fox]

Because.... It looks cool?

I can't justify half the skin prices in Hunt

Like why the hell is Wormwood, a badass coolass skin, cheaper than Bone Veve, white Mosin

[empty summit]

Yeah but the others look as good

[weary fox]

I'm inclined to agree, I like the one with the eye

[empty summit]

I think two of them have an eye

Ik deaths beacon does

[weary fox]

There's one with the bigger eye

I like that one

Also decoy supply is underrated, just to throw it out there

[vital fractal]

The best skins are the ones that change the model of the gun tbh

[empty summit]

Which ones?

I cant think of any that do that much

[unborn dagger]

@weary fox Im ngl necro is great but I genuinely hate how much it feels like a requirement at this point.

[vital fractal]

Worm wood, The Alamo skin with wood, Snipers gift, a lot of the melee tool skins

[obsidian sun]

Please change the prestige system it is just bad now and seems little thought has gone into it if any. Please you have a good game but focus on the problems not changing or adding things. Stop pandering to solo players make necro a one time use. It's easy to make friends on hunt pc and console I play both but you keep changing things for solo players and ignoring teams and actual problems.

[weary fox]

Necro is a pretty flawed trait tbh

It should be on the tier of literally Doctor or Frontiersmen

Like holy hell, Necromancer at 4 points, is better than Fanning at 8 points

[obsidian sun]

It's just the ability to keep using it over and over. A one time use is fine.

[queen jungle]

@tall peak Your post was removed due to being low effort. Please remain respectful and make detailed suggestions.

[tall peak]

pretty sure "don't spawn us on top of each other" is detail enough 🤷

[subtle lichen]

I'm sorry for necroing a suggestion (ha, get it?), but this one made me lol; #game-ideas message

I would have thought that the wallhacking part is the obvious target in that situation as oppose to someone doing something which frankly Crytek have pretty much no control over.

[steep tulip]

Hello, I have constant FPS drops from 90-110 normally to 30fps or even below 3. It keeps staying in that 30 range and I have no idea how that happened. Was not the case for me a week ago before the event update.

[subtle lichen]

#troubleshooting my dude.

[steep tulip]

yes sir will do

[subtle lichen]

With the amount of stuff to burn bodies with recently, I've stopped taking it. Waste of 4 points if you're up against anyone even remotely competent. Or being a bushwookie I suppose.

[stark fulcrum]

I'm glad bornhiem silencer exists and people use it. I can live through so many shots now lol

[tawny meadow]

Always put some spice in your bornheim silencer

Fire ammo always

[unborn dagger]

Yeah that's true, either that or throw a concertina bomb over em

[turbid hound]

#game-ideas message and make one of the most prominent things in game inconsistent and unreliable.

[wanton imp]

pretty sure thats bait

[turbid hound]

probably

but considering an amount of strange and not smart suggestions that people suggest that just may be an honest one

and that's not the first one i see

[subtle lichen]

I can't imagine how infuriating that would be. That you manage to melon someone, and they just shrug it off. Horrible idea.

Best worst suggestion was guns jamming.

[latent geyser]

@hybrid forum while I see your point, I don't think it's entirely fair. Overall the burning and bleeding traits have some good use for prevention (plus you still have some chances to meet a pack of hounds or to catch fire during fights because of an explosion). I'd say Bulwark got too strong against flash tho, and Mithridatist/Determination/that-one-running-perk need some love because shots can do their job but better. Maybe the effect of fire could be reduced, as it's honestly the most dangerous DoT you can get and salveskin shouldn't be an absolute mandatory perk.

I can see why Centennial dumdum was a mistake.

[hybrid forum]

I don't mean these traits as a whole. Salveskin is alright,

I mean the concept of nullification with a trait.

They buffed fire ammo, and at the same time they slapped the only counterplay on a specific trait

That's just bad game design

[hoary widget]

This is a take lol

[hybrid forum]

Just noticed that. Wtf. It would make a perfect example for my anti counter-trait suggestion

[late quartz]

Overall the burning and bleeding traits have some good use for prevention (plus you still have some chances to meet a pack of hounds or to catch fire during fights because of an explosion)
A big issue here is that these effects' relevance to PvP encounters has been increasing rapidly.
For the longest time being affected by bleed in PvP was incredibly rare, with fire only being slightly more common. With buffs to incendiary ammo, the addition of firebolts, and the massive increase in access to dumdum ammo, these effects will happen in PvP much more often.

As OP said, this is a double sided coin, as players who pick these tools to use in PvP have literally no way of knowing if their ammo has been disabled or heavily nerfed by an enemy player having a trait. There's no readability on either side, and your ability to make informed gameplay choices about opposing players weaknesses and strengths is basically nonexistant

I don't think mithridatist, bloodless or salveskin are over the line, but bulwark affecting flashes and hornskin disabling one shots on melee weapons (which, to be fair, probably shouldn't be getting one shots to the arms/body anyway) are definitely problematic.

[latent geyser]

Good thing we don't have the Infernal pact anymore.

I won't discuss about it, it was just too busted.

[late quartz]

Crytek probably knows they fucked up there

[tiny pivot]

Hornskin is actually problematic, in fact I think that if blunt melees for whatever reason specifically aren't oneshotting to the body, it's kinda shit considering the overall existence of melee in this game

Unless hornskin affects all melee and I forgor

[late quartz]

Just blunt

I don't think 1 slot melee should be one shotting to the body/arms but if they're gonna do it, probably don't make it a guessing game lul

[hybrid forum]

I'd say that salveskin is only because of it's defence against 1 tap ignitions with fire ammo

[hybrid forum]

.

[tiny pivot]

If they're gonna do it then don't make the arbitrary distinction between the poor blunt melees and the others LOL

[late quartz]

If you wanna spend a 2 or 3 slot weapon on melee i guess letting your one shot to the arms is maybe less bizarre but yeah

Baseball bat 1 shots lul remove pls

[humble quest]

I don't think being uninformed about if your loadouts will be effective against other players is a bad thing in itself.

[late quartz]

I think the effects of items and tools in PvP games should be predictable and consistent

I think if you're gonna have weird exceptions, they need to be readable and telegraphed

It should be somehow communicated to other players if you're immune to poison or whatever

[hybrid forum]

But your loadout being objectively worse than stock (even though it had it's drawbacks before) because of a factor outside of your control, is

[humble quest]

In competitive games where the sole objective is murder, sure maybe. The game is technically still within sandbox realm where you choose your objective in some sense per match. Knowing the player count, team number, loadouts. It's all up on the air and you make the best choices you can with limited knowledge

[hybrid forum]

Shotguns having shit range is good, because it's in your control to push into others face to make it effective.

Now what if there was a trait that made shotguns deal 25% less damage to you?

[tiny pivot]

I honestly don't really think they need to touch melee, this might get me crucified but there are so many options to deal with a melee rush that if you're dying to a melee rush it's not gonna make a difference if it's one shot or two shots

And also if anything, no 1 slot melee should 1 shot, 2 slots ^ probably should, and the bomb lance/any other 3 slot melee they add absolutely need to

The railroad hammer is also an obnoxious, stupid example of Hunt balancing where all other melees in the game do a half decent amount of damage accounting for their charge times, meanwhile the railroad hammer is actual trash and using it on anything except for tapping a boss to death is trolling

[next yarrow]

I think there's a scale to this tbh. Salveskin doesn't make your fire ammo completely ineffective, it just requires two shots. Bloodless is probably a little too strong, but is necessary against all the bleeding options right now. Antidote shots just murder poison ammo with no real feedback (you can take poison sense, I guess)

[late quartz]

I don't think gamesense within fights should be subverted this hard in this realm.

For example, if you're in a 1v1 and hit a target with poison, presumably the reason you brought poison was to deny healing.
You know that poison lasts a certain amount of time, and healing takes a certain amount of time. That sort of knowledge allows you to make an informed gamesense decision about whether or not pushing is a favorable decision.

If you push, and the person you're fighting has full HP and you die because you went for a body shot, you died for making a correct decision about a situation. Your decision was subverted by something you can never account for, it just creates a pseudo random or gambling aspect to something that should be consistent.

[next yarrow]

Light poison should turn heals into healing-over-time, and then antidote shots could cap poison at light like bloodless

[hybrid forum]

Idk how to put it in words, but that salveskin x inc ammo thing just irks me the wrong way

[next yarrow]

It's annoying but it's less bad than bloodless or antidotes in that regard imo

[late quartz]

Requiring 2 shots to ignite might as well just completely disable incendiary ammo. in the vast majority of all encounters 2 shots will kill anyway

[humble quest]

The only thing with salve is that within the effective range to set someone on fire in one shot, two shots with basically anything should kill someone

[late quartz]

Theres a reason they buffed incendiary to one shot ignite in the first place

[next yarrow]

True, I suppose I mainly use it with bornheim so I forgot about that

[hybrid forum]

I wish I could put my thoughts into words as well as you do

[late quartz]

You're doing just fine lol more eloquent than a lot of native english speakers

[vital fractal]

U tier1 succ me through my jort

[little badger]

Ty crytek for the new insta Burn meta with Flair Gun and Flairs ,,, plz remove that .

[azure dune]

What's wrong with it? We have many ways not only to put out hunters but to make them unburnable for minutes at a time.

[civic trout]

has there been any word on a change to aim assist?

[azure dune]

I believe a team member stated it's not currently coming to PC.

[unborn dagger]

Thank you

I got so many downvotes for that idea

[late quartz]

Which one lul

[little badger]

use ur 1 brain cell and enjoy my ignore list

[azure dune]

Great constructive argument! I totally see where you are coming from and will add momentum to your idea!

[tiny pivot]

skill issue

xD

[reef violet]

I actually like the burn changes. It mean that players going down carry more weight. The team mate actually have to make a move to prevent losing their teammate to burnout. Also with the number of ways to get your chunks back I think it’s balanced fine.

It also makes dealing with solo’s ever so slightly more accessible

[acoustic portal]

The ability to easily burn bodies with items that can set living players and monsters alike on fire should have been in for a long time, imo

I love it, mostly because it allows me to use firebombs offensively instead of wasting them on a body

[late quartz]

Much needed buff to long irrelevant tools

Instaburning is based and healthy for the game

[acoustic portal]

You know what's funny? Hitting someone in the face with a flare as they round the corner

[azure dune]

even funnier if you get em' with a good ole starshell

[acoustic portal]

Lemat with starshell is great utility :D

[little badger]

no its to easy to burn now , insta burn was in issue back in the day cry<tek fix that and now wh have the same shit again

[azure dune]

what makes the previous fix of choke bombs no longer work?

[late quartz]

I don't think instaburning was ever really an issue

I think people are just easily upset that they're losing lul

Like not only do you need to die, but you need to die out of position in a place where your opponents have greater control of an area than your teammates.

Ultimately... you did die... any revives are a second chance, and we're in a place where players have unprecedented access to revives between free respec, necro, redskull revives, and in the current event tons and tons of ways to regain chunks

Plus we have zero risk choke utility from beetles

Not only do you get an intel tool, ranged area denial to block peeks and movement, but you can also deny burns from basically anywhere without risking being shot

[azure dune]

I think before choke bombs having to run up, tap f and keep running to put people out was a bit brutal. It gave teams little re-course once their buddy is on fire. Especially, since there was no way to get them backup if they did burn out back then.

[late quartz]

Fair okay, post choke bombs it was never an issue*

Any time in the last 4 years lul

Burning was still a bug at that point tho, no?

My history is a little rusty there

[azure dune]

Burning has been a feature for as long as I can remember. I started playing just before 1.0.

[reef violet]

Once again I have to agree with pyrrhic insta burn is a good thing.

[wanton imp]

same here

less stalemates

[azure dune]

but in general yes, I think insta-burn is good. It punishes teams for abandoning bodies and forces people to break stalemates.

[teal parcel]

@weary crane endure

[azure dune]

I also think insta-burn is actually the least impactful during events

There are many ways to regain lost bars during events.

[reef violet]

Alright the discord tribunal has decided it’s good XD.

[teal parcel]

More than once I've regretted instaburning

[azure dune]

@weary crane but the populated part of Russia is in Europe...

I don't think it's reasonable to exclude players literally in Eastern Europe from playing on European servers call me crazy.

[teal parcel]

I think his reasons have nothing to do with ping xd

[weary crane]

No issue with Eastern Europe, jjust Russia. Some people in Russia live in the far East. Look at a map.

[weary crane]

I have been since this game was released

[azure dune]

I'm aware. I'm equally aware the majority of the Russian population is also in the western side of Russia.

I also believe Hunt does use ping limits as well, so you can't queue to places with too high of a ping.

[weary crane]

True, but it's also true that they have their own server

[weary crane]

They do but it needs to be lower

[azure dune]

You're fine with someone in Finland playing with someone from Portugal but Ivan form Moscow is where you draw your line?

I'm sure if the Russian datacenter got better ping they'll be on it. Most likely the European servers were the closer ones for those players perhaps?
Also is there a chance these players are just Slavic or using Slavic characters and not in Russian?

I can imagine, if the Russia servers are meant to service the far east of russia, the west side russians ain't going to be using those ones as often.

[weary crane]

@azure dune No issue with other nations, not had issues with them. Now supposing perhaps someone where to have an issue with one country eg a small matter of a war, why should they have to play with them if they don't wish to, nor have any reason to?

[weary crane]

Imagine or know? As you say the majority of the population live in the west.

[late quartz]

._.

[azure dune]

That's not what we are talking about. You literally introduced this topic about ping and now you realize you can't justify it, you turn to ideological reasons

[dim heron]

reminder we keep politics out of the server

Western Russia is closer to EU than most people in the EU are to the EU server

[azure dune]

^

[weary crane]

I can justify it, I only mentioned ping as an option. You're not making sense

[late quartz]

What would your ideal ping limit be

Right now it's like 230

[weary crane]

180 maybe?

[azure dune]

With 180, I'm sure that Western Russia will have far below that ping on EU servers.

[late quartz]

230 is pretty high and means I can play on any datacenter in the world from EUS

[weary crane]

sure or know?

[late quartz]

Personally I have no issue playing against people from OCE because having 230 ping puts you at an incredibly massive disadvantage lul

[vital fractal]

Ping limit of 65 or less plz

Because 65 sounds cool

[azure dune]

Dude... Western Russia is literally right there. If I from EUS can connect to EU with 100 ms across the ocean. I think Russia players can connect to servers in Germany, Poland or where-ever else they might be hosted.

[weary crane]

My real isasue with Russia is that whenever I meet someone who plays suspiciously, the majority of the time it's a Russian player. Not always but alot. My friends notice this too. Great if you've not, but would like an option to not play with a region if there's a cultural issue morre inclined to certain behaviours.

[dim heron]

Western Russia is like 40ping to Eu

[weary crane]

Really?

[dim heron]

between 40 and 80 depending on how far you go

yea

it's not that high

[weary crane]

Now it's doubled

[azure dune]

I'm not sure why you are so surprised, it's geographically in Europe, it's literally right there.

[dim heron]

People just like to cry about Ping abusing from those regions because they die

[queen jungle]

80 is still pretty low, there are people in Germany with a ping of 80 and the EU servers are in Germany...

[weary crane]

Bigger issue is apparant cultural issues and majority odf suspicious play I encounter comes from one country predominantly (not exclusively)

[azure dune]

Playing on US Servers, there is no shortage of people complaining about ping abuse from X region. They'll find an excuse or fault, this player must be form oceania, or from Brazil, etc, etc.

In my experience it's people making excuse for their misplays.

[weary crane]

Lets not get bogged down in ping chat

[azure dune]

You were asking for a region lock due to ping. Now you don't want to talk ping?

[weary crane]

no I wasn't, thats twice you've said that

[azure dune]

Title: Region Lock or ping limit (as that'd work too).

huh

[weary crane]

I suggested ping as possible solution

[weary crane]

corect, not what you said

[azure dune]

that word before limit, is spelt kinda like ping

[dim heron]

The team will never alienate a group of people... it's not a subject we're going to discuss here either. You can have your opinions but we're not going to allow those opinions to be voiced in the server. We will not allow any form of alienation.

[teal parcel]

15 ping to Russian server, 45 to EU server from Moscow, it's negligible. Russian server is full half of the time the games won't start, also on higher ELO games are harder on Russian than on EU server for whatever reason

[weary crane]

now you're being petty, I've spelt out what I meant several times

[azure dune]

You've changed what you meant constantly. I'm trying to hold you to your first goal post.

[weary crane]

No need to alienate, just give people an option

[azure dune]

An option to alienate, is still alientation, no?

[weary crane]

if you don't want to discuss what I'm saying that's cool, I mentioned ping as possible solution. It's clear and I've explained it. Accept it or move on.

[weary crane]

No, is blocking an abusive commincator alienation then? Different situation but same concept

[azure dune]

Listen if you think someone is cheating, report them. Just because you feel Russian players cheat more, doesn't mean the devs are going to lock russian players out of Europe for you.

[dim heron]

You can block their communications in game

[azure dune]

Blocking someone's communication doesn't lock them out of the match.

[weary crane]

I know , according to @azure dune that's alienation

[weary crane]

I do, nothing has been done even with strong video evidence

[late quartz]

Blocking a person =/= quarantining everybody in the largest region in the world lul

[azure dune]

That's clearly not true. Else, players would never be banned for cheats.

[dim heron]

Alright ya'll, I think we've shared our opinions on the matter and I feel it's really not going anywhere. We've started getting a little hostile so let's leave the conversation where it is.

[late quartz]

Based and Grinchpilled

[dim heron]

you're free to continue discussing it, just be nice to each other yea

[weary crane]

Cyrtek doesn't publish figures on this and when I check the blatant ones reported with evidence they remain in game

[dim heron]

if you can do that then I'm cool with it

[weary crane]

I'm not hostile, enjoying the discussion

[dim heron]

Crytek shared like a month ago they did a ban wave

[azure dune]

The world of anti-cheat is a cat-and-mouse games.

For example ban waves, do you think the devs caught everyone on the same day or collected information for a while and then hit them?

[late quartz]

Dang less based, xenophobia discourse has zero chance of being productive lul

[weary crane]

Ddin't see that so apologies if missed, but still an issue. Tends to be a rise in issues every time event starts

[dim heron]

Agree, which is why we're not discussing that. It's been shut down, we're discussing ping lock or other ways to do such

We won't allow any form of Xenephobia on the server

Nothing too bad has been said, so I hope we keep it that way

[weary crane]

No Xenophobia, just noticed pattern of behaviour

[dim heron]

that can still be xenophobic

[late quartz]

"This nationality of people are hackers and I want and option to never play with them, why can't I choose?"

[dim heron]

especially when you word it horribly

[late quartz]

We're just making observations here

[weary crane]

potentially, but I've not said anything to suggest a racial issue

[dim heron]

You have, it's been removed though

[late quartz]

No no, it's "culture" of course

[weary crane]

not said that, you're puttinmg words in my mouth, I suggest you calm inflammatory chat

[dull forge]

Could you elaborate on this "certain behaviors" thing, please?

[weary crane]

Are you saying cultures don't exist or are racist?

[late quartz]

My real isasue with Russia is that whenever I meet someone who plays suspiciously, the majority of the time it's a Russian player. Not always but alot.

Great if you've not, but would like an option to not play with a region if there's a cultural issue morre inclined to certain behaviours.

[azure dune]

Blackadder, whether intentional or not, look around you and realize everyone in this chat currently thinks you mean it as a race issue

[late quartz]

"Putting words in your mouth" implies that you didn't say the things I'm accusing you of saying lul

[azure dune]

and instead of saying we are all stupid, perhaps realize your own words said as much

[weary crane]

I know what I said and stand by it cos that's my experience. Wish it wasn't nbut it is

[dim heron]

Alright, guess we're going to end the conversation there

[weary crane]

didn't say what you said i said.

[late quartz]

I don't doubt it, the problem is that there's no practical or equitable way to dealt with this as a group issue.

Ban individuals who cheat, don't punish a region of predominately innocent players for something they didn't do

[dim heron]

let's find a new subject and follow the rules 🙂

[weary crane]

Don't need to ban a region, that was NEVER suggested except by you folk

[weary crane]

Happy to, some folk need to stop arguing their own agenda and twisting what I said

dunno sorry

[analog willow]

@turbid ingot #game-ideas message Really cool idea! Don't let the thumbs discourage you

[dim heron]

You can DM @muted zealot

[azure dune]

btw, flashbangs.

I feel like they're kinda worthless now.

I understand they weren't a fan of mid-combat flashes but the 2-second window makes it incredibly different to use. Then when you do flash, the flash is just meh...

[late quartz]

They definitely screwed the pooch by nerfing it in multiple ways at once

The three things that made the flash bomb very strong were its deployment speed, its radius, and its duration

I think deployment speed was the most important and the thing that made it truly unique among other tools.

You may have noticed some people saying the hellfire bomb is the best replacement, and that may be somewhat true, but I'd argue that this is because the fast deployment is what made the flash so important for the game before.

Shortening the duration makes it feel less unfair, less like you're completely out of control if you get flashed.
Shrinking the area of effect increases the amount of skill require to use it
Increasing deployment time makes it... lack any sort of purpose compared to an explosive

[azure dune]

I also think increasing the deployment can offset a longer duration because it give players the time to get out of the way.

[late quartz]

I mean totally, it's a massive nerf, but it removes the factor that makes the item worth using.

If using a flash makes a loud identifiable noise and 3 seconds for enemy hunters to get out of the way... why would I bring that over a frag bomb which makes a loud identifiable noise, takes 4 seconds to deploy and kills instead of blind

[unborn dagger]

It really kills it for me when Crytek decides to have something that's really strong turned useless by a single trait. And especially a cheap one for that matter.

[late quartz]

Flashes were one of the only real tools players had for risky aggressive manuvers. They were certainly too strong but they don't fill that niche at all anymore, and compete in a niche that's already overcrowded and dominated by another insanely strong item

[azure dune]

I don't think the bulwark trait is that big of a deal to be honest.

The problem with flashes, is really the other changes to it to.

[late quartz]

On the plus side, people are using concertina bombs now and eventually we'll catch on to how insanely broken and overpowered they are lul

[azure dune]

I think the thing with the con-bombs they are loud af.

And limited throw range

[unborn dagger]

New trait will allow you to move through concertina twice as fast!

[late quartz]

They're no louder than flashes or frags, take much less time to deploy (you often can't react to the sound, even if you hear it), and they instakill

The limited throw range hurts but also the lethality of a frag bomb with the deployment of a pre-nerf flash

Plus all the utility of concertina, blocking bullets, blocking movement, blocking revives

[azure dune]

For me, it's a bit different that frags. The range often means I'm exposed when compared to using a frag.

And the noise signals that I'm exposed, if that makes sense.

I don't really see a lot of con-bomb kills, but admittedly I haven't played around with it too much. I've mainly seen and used it defensively

bullet shield for revives or body control, etc.

That being said, FMJ can break wire and I believe spitzer out right pens it.

[late quartz]

They're very very scary I encourage you to play with them more

I get a lot of really stupid unfair kills with them

[azure dune]

I'll prob do a replace frag with con challenge for myself and see how it goes.

[late quartz]

I've loved them since like As the Crow Flies but I never used them because flashes were so good

[azure dune]

If con-bombs do become more on-meta, I think it wouldn't be the worst thing. It'll encourage people to bring dynamite to counter wire.

and take some usage away from frags

[late quartz]

Other players using them against me as an offensive tool have also killed me like 75% of the time they've tried

Because the deployment is so quick by the time i hear that they're throwing one at me I literally cannot get out of the way

They're way too good and people will figure it out eventually lul

[azure dune]

does pitcher work on con-bombs?

[devout axle]

I think so

Yeah it does

I mean to be fair though like you can hear someone both pull out and like ready to throw a concerntina

And unless you’re in like a shitty place to begin with like being stuck in a corner it ain’t gonna kill you

On a side note I wish they’d add like flint lock weapons as some world weapons

[vital fractal]

Pitcher is kinda near useless with bdb and concertina

[vital fractal]

Whispersmith solves this

[devout axle]

Oh fr? I didn’t even think about it working with it

[late quartz]

The ready sound happens so close to it being thrown, it's just not enough warning

As far as taking it out... yeah I mean... you can hear people take out frag bombs too lul I feel like in practice that doesn't mean a whole lot

These factors really don't matter as much in practice as they're being made out to on paper. If somebody pulls out a concertina bomb and primes it you're given very little time to react. In the same way that firebolts don't instantly burn off a small chunk but in practice if you get hit by one you're almost always gonna lose that chunk

You could dodge it, but you have to be playing essentially perfectly if the other player doesn't fuck up or miss

[devout axle]

It’s definitely louder taking out a concerntina than a frag lol i mean it’s definitely audible but i mean I’ve hardly experienced people killing me with them so like idk

[late quartz]

People haven't really been using them to get kills historically

It's slightly more common now and I think it'll grow in popularity because it's extremely fucking strong, the playerbase just hasn't had a reason to do it up until the frag nerf

[devout axle]

Yeah but it’s also a lot more available now

Like as well I mean

[next yarrow]

People don't lead them right in my experience. Either that or I just move weird

[late quartz]

It's certainly something that'll take time

Similarly, I don't think people are that good at using hellfire bombs

Because why would you use a hellfire bomb when flashes were so strong and almost universally easier to follow up on and get a kill off of

[crude nova]

wait wrong channel mb.

[next yarrow]

It's a real testament to how strong flashes were that nobody played helfires, because honestly helfire bombs are crazy too

[late quartz]

That's more or less what I'm saying about concertina bombs

They're extremely fast instakill throwables that also provide a ton of utility

They just have zero development in the meta because they've always been overshadowed by something even more wild

[gritty sky]

Ohh jesus by mistake i got rolled into us east instead of europe. In that match there was NOONE under 2 kd, and everyone tried to shoot me through a fkin house in lockbay, i see you have cheater issues as well 😄 Havent seen a match like this in EU not even with the chinese these days. 😄

[gritty sparrow]

How are people getting back up? Its every squad I run into, I know about necro but I dont think thats it just for the fact i was in dark site with a bounty on me and saw no body, but yet dude kept getting back up. Its every game I play this happens, its crazy

[late quartz]

Solo players with necromancer can revive themselves

[vital fractal]

This regen shot delay keeps getting me killed

It’s such a bad change

What’s the point of the regen if I can’t use it when I need it to work

Even the old regen shot would’ve been so much better than it is now

[civic trout]

continuing aim assist.
it would be nice to understand the reason behind adding it so i could better give feedback.
was it to combat mouse and keyboard?
was it added to help new players?
or was it something that they felt was needed?
if it is to combat M&K then can we just slowdown the player movement.
if it is for new players then make it much softer, a slight slow down when on target. make the AA kick in if you were on target, then it slows the aim of makes it sticky.
if the devs just thought we need it, then why do they think that.

[frozen crater]

@turbid ingot Uploading some ai generated art of a guy and suggesting crytek use it as a hunter skin is the most uncreative suggestion ive seen so far

[lunar hound]

why you punish EU players with this region mix, I can play all day long from EU on US with 130 ping but I teleport like pancake and its not fun for me -.-

[radiant river]

wdym

[lunar hound]

more than 100 ping region lock ain't that easy solution?

[radiant river]

but why

[lunar hound]

why with 140 ping you are allow to join session and teleport

[radiant river]

you teleport on your own screen but not on the enemy's

[lunar hound]

I was playing sea of thieves from EU at US with sword and I was king because they couldn't hit me with gun

[radiant river]

this is the hunt discord

[lunar hound]

I think you don't play at EU or u are just ping abuser

its' not just me, it's common issue, everyday ppl complain

[radiant river]

people are just coping that they died

ive been called a ping abuser while playing on 20 ping

[lunar hound]

btw I have nothing against any country I just point out too big ping ❤️

[azure dune]

@late quartz you were so right about the con-bomb, holy *

[tiny pivot]

elaborate?

[frozen crater]

@queen jungle your suggestion has a really solid basis, and it would finally solve the problem of "how to make a loadout with 2 one-slot weapons actually be viable"

you come off as an ass in the suggestion itself tho, which only leads to people disregarding what would be an otherwise cool starting point for more varied loadouts

[tawny meadow]

@deep wing i've deleted your suggestion since those should be a bit more detailed.

[vital fractal]

People really be asking to brighten night time despite it basically being a blue or green filtered day time in the open

The only “dark” sections to night is the very edges of the map in the forests

[subtle lichen]

@minor swan Not an actual fix, but you can avoid the dialog by adding the chunks on the roster or lobby screens.

[unborn dagger]

Especially for Serpent Moon lol

That weather event needs a rework with how disappointing it is.

[deep wing]

no problem. i will try better next time 😄

[tulip pond]

I notice none of the normal Winfield and centimal is not in the shooting range

[dreamy delta]

I do not get it either. They probably never seen the the pre alpha footage when the light tools would have been really important to have ^^*

[solar ginkgo]

nice game

very good

[frozen crater]

what software did you use

was it the stat tracker?

[subtle lichen]

I don't believe that was ever confirmed as being the cause, but there was seemingly a lot of people who used it that were affected.

[paper whale]

#game-ideas message

Sure why not. Hopefully, then in some sort of hunting attire (would prefer left side over the right e.g.). Not the biggest fan of Legendaries not wearing suitable clothing 😅

[late quartz]

Neva eva wrong
Fr tho, major sleeper pick, definitely gonna build traction

[civic trout]

i would like night to be even darker.
make flash lights really be needed.

[tardy remnant]

Issue with that is the rng for night maps - eg you bring torch but no night or it's night and you don't have a torch

[civic trout]

i’m fine with that.
you have to try and be ready all the time (stressing TRY).
find a lantern in the map.
or run in the faint moon light.
it would make those short ranges scary and would change sniping in two ways.
it would be much harder to see, so your short range players would have a slight advantage, no more than the range boys in the daylight.
but if you have a light source then they can pick you out from a good distance.

[turbid hound]

Instead of complaining and screaming at the wall, i would've appealed to EAC as was suggested.
I don't believe that they won't unban if the reason for said ban was really a false alarm.
Otherwise get gotten.
Don't you know how to read?

[worn jackal]

sounds like something I would quit on the start

[turbid hound]

While i kinda like the idea of pitchblack time of day, with a lot of loose lanterns at compounds and wagons and small islands of light here and there, i believe it would be nigh unplayable

[queen jungle]

I have a theory that players in your games cause lagging/server issues. How likely do you think it is? I just had a few games in a row and everything was fine, the servers seemed okay, but then I got into a game with someone called "laggy mike" and my game started suddenly feeling really choppy and slow.

Also, I noticed every time I play against someone with high ping (like Chinese players on EU), the game starts lagging like hell when I get close to them.

[little jackal]

unlikely

[queen jungle]

Still worth looking into imo.

Because server stability is just way too inconsistent. There's gotta be something that causes these lags.

[void estuary]

Likely, anytime my game starts rubberbanding and acting stupid, it's my new primal....100% of the time someone is near and the servers they still haven't updated with your DLC money start crumbling.

[unborn smelt]

No it's not. There's regions where no server is closer than 100 ms for example

[unborn smelt]

But another games poor hitreg is not directly transferable to hunt

[balmy sparrow]

rango hii

:)

[unborn smelt]

Hunt uses the very common clientside hitreg with serverside validation approach, so the enemies ping doesn't really effect your ability to hit them, because the actual hitregistration happens on your client, is then checked by the server - and if the server validates your hit, the "victims" information is overwritten entirely

that's why people "die behind walls" as their gamestate of having reached the wall, got overwritten with the info of someones shot killing them.

[queen jungle]

<@&350201699832561666>: DO you know Matchmaking SUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!!!!! We (5 mates) will leave the game soon if there is no change - but sure, it's up to you! And as we understand you don't care...

[civic trout]

the servers seem to need some TLC.
i suspect most of the efforts are being put into the next gen patch.

[azure dune]

Ah, yes let them just hit the fix it button... and done, you saved hunt!

[hoary badger]

Sick of bleeding.almost every single gun in game has bleeding ammo

[unborn dagger]

Agreed, I feel like bleed needs a damage nerf

I encountered multiple Drilling hcs with bleed and even a nitro. It's getting really annoying.

[subtle lichen]

The sentiment that some special ammos be limited to certain guns is something I could potentially get behind.

[humble quest]

They should remove dum dum but make every bullet makes you bleed

[vital fractal]

It’s almost like special ammo was initially meant to be limited to certain guns for specific niches and unique game style alternatives

[queen jungle]

Hunt Dev Team member hu? That's the best what one can expect here - good answer! 🥱

In 5 years they can't fix it... that's exactly what it is - incapable! Only ugly cammo skins and events are possible - that's it.

[last ferry]

from https://discordapp.com/channels/350201607788429323/524577494863708180/1187112680683753482

my reasoning:

finding hunt dollars is more fun than having it granted from the sky
It ruins the immersion of scraping by in the bayou as a hunter for the AHA, were not some rich kids with deep pockets are we?
it would clean up the post game summary by removing the needless inclusion of hunt dollars gained by level

[azure dune]

I think you make a good point and would love to see money being tied more to the gameplay. However, I think this can also cause negative feedback, where teams that win, simply win more, and teams that lose, lose more.

The other problem with the economy is that any veteran account has deep pockets. So any constraint on the economy is going to disproportionally effect newer players who are already less likely to win.

[tulip tapir]

@solar ginkgo ...i dont understand how they do it, my real life neighbour cheats in the game since 2019..8000 hours, he showed me how it works,after that i reported him multible times but the only thing i got is a warning for naming....so if someone is worth banning its him but he still plays...so i dont know what to say.

no one wants to play rain or fog...i start as trio and end up as solo...i dont understand why we are forced to play the maps when 90% of players leave...

[azure dune]

if you got a warning for naming you didn't report him. You just got on a forum and started giving out their name. Reporting means you went through the report system whether it be the in-game report or the support website.

I don't know why people don't understand why ALL game forums have a rule against naming. Because people get salty and start saying X is cheating on the forum which leads to a most likely innocent player getting harassed in-game and on-forum.

[tulip tapir]

@azure dune i did it because the crytek support said they did some actions, but they did not and he still plays....when i report him on the support nothing happend...thats why i wanted to see the others.

[last ferry]

i considered that, in an original draft of my post that i had to edit down i included a blurb about not boosting the hunt dollar gain from hunter looting, to avoid just this. the other point i had was that clues are easy to get and make a significant chunk of hunt dollars earned from the gameplay loop, and they could be boosted for little loss in hunter equality. as i assume most teams manage to get at least 2 clues in the average game.

nevertheless i appreciate your feedback, i may revise my suggestions in light of it

[tulip tapir]

10th game i a row...single boss, after 2 minutes boss is taken on the other side of the map....all players run like idiots just to come to late to the bounty...when the server decides who wins, you cant do anything about it....boring and more boring the game gets.

[azure dune]

Tips: Work your way toward the center of the boss zone with each clue. That ensures you have the most flexible positioning.

Also, just looking at your team positions unless you guys are fighting, the other teams are MUCH closer and can get there before the banish is even half finished. There is not a "server-freebie".

[last ferry]

@azure dune check out my recent suggestion for couriers, seeing as you're active, appreciate any feedback

[tulip tapir]

you see that the bosses are made 1,5 to 2 minutes after game started...

[azure dune]

It's an interesting idea for sure. One thing that gives me pause, is, is this a big enough problem to warrant a solution? I don't have the statistics, but I don't notice many teams extracting or missing from a regular match. I don't think a lot of teams extract early due to money.

I occasionally have the missing team on a fog map or night map but I assume it's because they are snipers that refuse to adapt, etc.

[last ferry]

yeah i agree its not a hjuge problem, just a nice to have available

[azure dune]

Look at your guy near Moses. He has outpaced the both of you immensely. In fact, you guys are over 3 minutes in and one of you seems to still be at the spawn compound. That's not normal progress, that's incredibly slow progress. The Mosses guy isn't in a bad position to get there in a time frame before banish completes especially if they decided to skip Moses for one of the 2 clue compounds adjacent(e.g. moving to more central positions). However, they are also alone, so they can't really take advantage of that.

I understand that the banish may happen sooner if someone spawns directly on top but rarely are teams phsyically unable to reach bounty due to travel distance alone. The Mosses guy pace is imo the more expected pace of advance for a team.

This shouldn't be a 10th time in a row problem. This is a once in a blue moon problem often combined with some other delay.

[true bobcat]

Guy gets mad he gets to third party. You also got free money if you just leave without losing anything.

[subtle lichen]

Even when that does happen, you can often get there for a shootout. It's great fun, you should try it.

[tiny pivot]

#game-ideas message Literally why the fuck ever would someone want this to NOT exist is beyond me

Literally just make it a toggle I'm sorry that I don't want to wait 15 fucking seconds for a Dolch deadeye to reload from empty or basically anything that doesn't have a stripper clip. Looking at you Lebel I love Lebel but still

[azure dune]

I think the reason is that people want training to match the real game performance of the weapon in all aspects, for community stat gathering on the gun. The actual hud stats are often misleading, for example, the damage stat is damage at 10 meters.

Although, I honestly think no one would say no if it was a toggle for the shooting range.

[tiny pivot]

Literally just make it a toggle

I totally understand the concern over like, guns working exactly in firing range as they should in the game. That's fine

But either a speed reload or just... honestly an auto reload hotkey would be fine so I don'=t have to wait like 15 seconds to reload my Centennial from empty when I'm practicing aiming or leading my shots

[azure dune]

Suggestions are kinda tricky to make. People expect them to be fully realizable as is, or they are worried the dev will take a suggestion as is rather than fully realize it. Like the original suggestion you link, doesn't mention a toggle, so I doubt most people even considered it being made into a toggle.

[late quartz]

They do specify they want a "choice to speed reload"

Not "remove reload times" or something

[willow pine]

WHY does picking up a gun take priority over STOPPING BLEED!!!!!???

[unborn dagger]

I dunno, but that has certainly gotten me nearly killed multiple times

[humble quest]

You can bind them to separate keys I believe

[unborn dagger]

Not console unfortunately since the devs have yet to add in controller customization

[balmy sparrow]

Is
Is there not already a box that remembers that you are playing solo willingly???

I swear i don't meet it unless i like reset my windows

[delicate badge]

The matchmaking needs to be changed sooner rather than later. As a solo I am getting 20+ kills before I die and still, still I remain a 3-4 star because of how this works. I basically face no challenge and then the moment I do those people set me back a star so I can slaughter poor new players.

[delicate badge]

That's why I rebound the key for stopping fire/bleed. Unfortunately that's as far as it goes because I would like climbing ladders, disarming traps, and dauntless to be different keys. Cant tell you how many times I've gone to disarm a trap or bomb and climbed a ladder and died instead

[minor swan]

am see

[tiny pivot]

Not sure if I necessarily want a crossbow nerf massively, I think it being the only bullet drop weapon in the game is rough, though I would almost appreciate a perk designed against bows more specifically or just making them like what people want for sparks, that is to say 149+Bleeding aka instant death unless you staunch bleeding immediately

Its weird because nobody uses bows but they are arguably incredibly overpowered for skilled users, even as a bow user I genuinely could not tell you how I'd balance them

If you make them headshot only or something they'd be terrible and unused. So maybe reigning in the OHK distance just a bit, and anything after that is what I just described with almost sparks bleeding esque, would be a nice way to balance them

[unborn dagger]

@coarse geyser They did do that, but the problem is is that bulwark basically negates this nerf whuch is why theyre still standing. I really think bulwark just needs a nerf, it is almost too strong for what it can do.

[tiny pivot]

XBow Explosive kinda just needs to go, it really puts a dent in whatever credibility the bows have and while it's cool it really is just a balance nightmare especially considering Bulwark

Frag Arrows are the other end of the problem, where they are pretty bad, mostly being used as a mini frag bomb and just spamming them into corners until people either die or move, not much interaction from that at all

I find Concertina Arrows more interesting and what I would say to be an ideal Bow alternative ammo, basically acting as a secondary utility ammo type to the normal bow shots, for blocking off doors and bodies and such.

[unborn dagger]

Dont forget the waxed frag bomb lance because fuck balancing apparently.

[tiny pivot]

Waxed Frag Bomb Lance was a terrible idea, and honestly should just be normal bomb lance function

[delicate badge]

You can dauntless both these and the bomblance frag (not the bomblance normal arrow)

[tiny pivot]

Basically no good reason to NOT run waxed frags at all times on bomb lance unless you're using another specific type of ammo

Like, it's no damage loss, if you are using a bomb lance you probably have money and room to fuck around, and if you're using the actual harpoon you may as well just give it the option of fighting in water/for Rotjaw cuz why not

[delicate badge]

Everyone has money now. Im making an extra 3k every few games now because of the new level 100 bonus.

We're beyond balancing weapons based on price for the most part

It's more of a rough idea of what weapons are "better" than others. At least for new players.

[tiny pivot]

And thus, waxed frag has no reason to not just be innate in the gun

[hot vigil]

Rarely see the bomblance and even less so waxed frags run on it.

[rugged iron]

First of all sparks + bleed would insta kill because bleed has a delay to stop. And second the bow is not op at all. There is a reason why u aint seeing it in 6*

[tiny pivot]

I mean as I said, waxed frag is basically double fucked
It has no reason to not just be innate effect on the weapon
Firstly, as far as I’m aware, bomb lances can already explode in clouds anyway
Secondly, it’s explicitly designed to combat Rotjaw, which even that it fails at because Rotjaw has a myriad of balance issues and also just gets smacked silly by the lance itself anyway LOL

[hot vigil]

They have different properties waxed frags has shorter fuse and lower damage as far I can recall

[queen jungle]

Strong solo modifier but I get put into games with 3 trios full of 5 stars? What the hell?

[weary fox]

Welcome to Hunt Showdown

[coral skiff]

how do you link messages from suggestion-ideas

[wanton imp]

Right click the suggestion then click copy message link

would look like this #game-ideas message

[coral skiff]

thx

#game-ideas message Can i ask why anyone who downvoted don't want this feature?

am I missing something or i didn't explain the idea quite well

[queen jungle]

@tribal musk Please add a more detailed description to your suggestion to explain others why they should support your idea.

[weary fox]

I guess people just don't want QOL updates. They want to keep guessing and guessing until the end of time? I dunno, sprint stam bar would be nice to see

Oh and don't expect any feedback lol, most people downvote, and either straight up don't give their rationale behind the downvote or give some shitty reason that makes you think it's a joke as opposed to a real reason

[coral skiff]

my guess is they want minimal hud so. if you downvoted because you want minimal hud im pretty sure they can add transparency slider and you can set that to "0" so that you don't have to see it.

[rugged iron]

Literaly. There is no reason against it

[coral skiff]

#game-ideas message

1. i think a stam buff is enough a enemy debuff would be op. the trade off is people can hear you clearly
2. Is a nice idea maybe make the area smaller. i also think people would just abuse it to full auto thier avto or snipe with their mosin sniper silently.
3. great idea but prob should reduce the time on how long it can burn because usually the oil spill in the game burns for a long time
4. good idea but it will make the alert trip mines useless as a sound alarm
5. I think it should take a lot of stamina to 1 shot a door to balance it
6. good idea
7. idk the use
8. crytek will keep adding restoration traits so we don't probly need it
9. Unsure

[weary fox]

Half the people want the game to change. The same half are also resistant to change. So here's the dilemma, if the community wants their game to improve, why the fuck don't they open their minds up to new additions instead of, "hurr durr, add variant, happy, same thing 3 times in a row"

[turbid hound]

#game-ideas message Specter bayonet have worse stats because it is a short barrel version of a gun. Dunno why it is the way it is, probably for barrel integrity while using the bayonet.

#game-ideas message Shotgun slugs shouldn't have been added in the game at all IMO.
Crossbow on the other hand is unwieldy, slow to reload, have arching trajectory and fairly slow bolt speed, so i don't see any reason to change it. Fine as it is IMO.

Oh and strange and not obvious sights add to unwieldiness.

[paper whale]

#game-ideas message @tiny pivot Why? Is it really so awful to play a "regular" Hunter? Are those not badass enough?

#feedback message @midnight quiver A man with vision and wisdom

[reef violet]

#feedback message good be a sad solo. The solo (Necro) gameplay loop is bad for everyone involved rn. If you die in an engagement with a team and they have control of your body you shouldn’t be able to stand up anyway. Playing solo puts you at an inherent disadvantage to start with. One that you sign up for when you queue solo in the first place. It requires a different play style and you will get punished for playing alone in a game meant to be played in a team.

[subtle lichen]

I used to insta respec to get Necro but it's almost not worth taking as a solo now. Any halfway competent team has multiple ways to down you repeatedly so just duck out and queue again tbh.

[teal parcel]

I want access to t1 female hunters again they are so cute UwU better than any skin

[paper whale]

Even though it is difficult right now to do m, you could burn all your Hunt Dollar. When you are poor af there should be more tier 1 free Hunters available to you.

Not the solution but at least a way

[winter plover]

@sinful terrace
There already is a unequip all button

[humble quest]

Yeah. Bottom right side button on the loadout screen

[arctic flame]

I totally agree with you 90% time of my 2.5k hours I solo and yeah people think necro is OP but bah

[reef violet]

#game-ideas message this kinda falls back into what I was saying before but I sort of want to clarify. I think the. Changes to flares/fuses makes solo necro less bad, not fixed of course since many players still feel the need to camp the bodies. It makes the solo not be able to just sit there and wait for a team that can’t burn them to move one.

@hoary mortar #feedback message hmmmm. I understand where you are coming from. I think maybe if the traits they gave were more utility based instead of combat based it could help with this?? (Edited for spelling)

[subtle lichen]

Completely agree. All it does is speeds up the inevitability really and saves the winner some time. Nothing feels worse than having to camp a Necro while someone else or some other team is already banishing. But you just know that if you leave them, you're exposing your rear to an attack.

[humble quest]

Everyone still acts like it takes 20 minutes to burn out a solo. It takes 2 minutes, assuming they only lost a small bar and never stand up. It's even faster if they stand

[reef violet]

Yea Noi I agree I think the changes went a long way. I think the problem was mainly exacerbated by the ToC blazeborne trait but now that that is gone I think it’s fine how it is now (not a solo)

[humble quest]

Even when blaze was around people acted like it took so much more than it did. Blaze was def strong for solo Necro but it wasn't a free ticket to live.

[teal parcel]

Yes it was if your team didn't bring a fire bottle or w/e its called

[humble quest]

If you spent the whole event not happy with how solo necros worked and never made the choice to bring the counter item the onus of fault is in you

[teal parcel]

What else should other people do to counter your gameplay of choice?

[humble quest]

I'm sure you're familiar with your options. I don't need to spell it out for you. If you made the choice to take other consumables knowing solo Necro blaze existed and you didn't want them to stand up again, it's on you.

[teal parcel]

No it shouldn't have been in the game in the first place

[humble quest]

The game is about making choices with your loadouts and not every one will be equipped for all situations. Blaming a situational thing that you didn't have a counter for that exists isnt inherently that things fault

But you seem to be taking this a different way. This was never an argument for blaze being good for the game. Simply that people over stated how bad it was because they refused to adapt

[teal parcel]

I hate this argument, nobody should be forced to adapt to terrible gameplay changes just because

I personally know a person who adapted to this cool gameplay feature by uninstalling the game and not coming back

[humble quest]

Not every change is for everyone. And again, I'm not saying blaze was good for the game. Events are a space where they experiment with ideas and some stay and some don't.

It's not even adapting play style. It's a single consumable slot.

[teal parcel]

It is very much an adapting play style

You shouldn't be forced to adapt to a person who decided to play the game alone

Solos ruin lobbies too much already anyway

[humble quest]

Just to be clear, have we moved from blaze born back to solo Necro itself?

[teal parcel]

No

Btw a single consumable often wasn't enough, the person carrying it could be dead, there could be more than one solo player, solo could manage to res and leave the burn area

[humble quest]

Those are simply situations that happen.

If your partner died, this argument could be for literally any situation in the game. They had the frag, they had the bounty, they had the shotgun. It's part of what happens in the game and not directly related to the consumables being brought.

More than one is simply a risk that happens. Lobbies are variables and you prepare the best you can.

If the solo leaves the fire you've fucked up.

[hoary mortar]

I don't know how that would look in games but I'm willing to try - has to be better than the current ammo dump bullshit
the problem is there aren't many utility traits for high cost, only Doctor and Frontiersman, maybe Pitcher - I wouldn't mind seeing Doctor more often instead of QM, it would soft-nerf long ammo

[quasi thistle]

I think they need to have a cap on the cost of recruit traits if they are going to go the current route. Something like no individual trait can cost more than 5 or the combined cost of all traits can't exceed 7 + hunter rank, maybe give up on the fixed number. This, plus the sudden saturation of buying power, needs to be dialled back because it is creating an objective meta. Objective metas will ruin any game, but especially pvp games. At the moment (compounded by all of the bar recovery in this event), you essentially have to build your loadouts to counter CQC or you are at a severe disadvantage. I like my shotgun and fanning pushes, but those are fun in clutch moments not as an every game occurrence (which my experience is devolving into. If I wanted to play against an onslaught of people holding Shift+W the whole engagement there are games that facilitate that better).

[hoary mortar]

"you essentially have to build your loadouts to counter CQC or you are at a severe disadvantage"
yes, my experience as well - you want to push a guy, surprise fanning out of pocket 90% of the time, level 1 hunter
as a solo player, this feels terrible

[quasi thistle]

Even in teams it feels terrible. We want to have some kind of team dynamic, but we all have to build up our own kits because if the point man goes down to three guys with slugs and fanning, we are going to struggle unless we can counter push. A trio with slugs was an interesting dilemma to try to address when we encountered it once every 10 games or more, but just default planning on it sucks.

I think they need to rebalance trait distribution and (at least at the moment my opinion may change if they have their own way of dealing with unbalanced buying power) they need to do away with hunt dollars.

I would propose replacing money with an "inventory weight" sort of system, wherein you have something around 11 "weight" and each item and weapon has a value against this limit (Contraband would weigh 0, thereby giving contraband a functional value and avoiding potential issues with looting). (All numbers being for sake of argument and not literal proposals): Higher tier weapons and custom ammo would be "heavier," a Mosin might "weigh" 3 but the Mosin bayonet and sniper both "weigh" 4 while the avto "weighs" 7 or something. Adding custom ammo increases this "weight" by 1 or 2, depending on viability. Compared to a Winnie which would "weigh" 2 and each variant only "weighing" 3 you would be able to flesh out your kit by taking the lower tier weapon at the cost of the obvious fire power. Should this extend to every item in the game, you would have a very hard limit that requires real deliberation on part of the player. Do I bring the specter bayonet with slugs, which takes up 7 of my 11 "weight?" Or do I bring the base version at only 3 "weight" and fill out my kit better?

(Edit, missing numbers in my example)

[reef violet]

I think this is an interesting idea. However, I find it hard to agree with disallowing tools and consumables for the sake of gun loadouts. I think this issue is compounded by the prestige rework. While it does (for me) solve the main issue with prestige (not wanting to loose the guns I have unlocked) it makes it feel like all the old single shot rifles I really enjoyed pointless when I can just take a krag or a lebel right out the gate since the game economy is a joke atm. Same thing with the Romero, you can just grab whatever high end shotgun you want.

[late quartz]

I'm not sure anything has really changed here. The problematic elements of these playstyles and weapons have always been significant. This isn't an issue of availability it's an issue of poor balance

Fanning and levering are just too strong, shotguns are too strong and there aren't really major sacrifices for playing them

Bringing the issue to the forefront to catalyze actual balance changes is a good thing imo.

Fix the unbalanced crap, don't hide it behind the economy

[radiant river]

There's definitely downsides to shotguns however you can just camp in the boss lair forever to avoid them

[late quartz]

Okay except quartermaster and massive buffs to pistols have made bringing a shotgun essentially free

If you're playing a shotgun and feel limited on range is it exclusively your fault LOL

[radiant river]

Now that jumpshotting is removed I guess pistols don't have as much of a downside

But there's still a reason so many tryhards run mosin

[late quartz]

Wait what do you mean? How'd they change jumping

[late quartz]

Mosin rival slug ez

[radiant river]

You can't shoot while jumping accurately with rifle anymore

[late quartz]

Do you know when they changed that?

Is it in any patch notes

[radiant river]

This update

[late quartz]

Hmmm

[subtle lichen]

Making a poorly balanced weapon expensive was always a losing approach unfortunately. Mainly because there's long time players with six figure dollar balances so they can run whatever they want all the time.

[late quartz]

For sure, but hiding power behind traits is just as goofy

Fanning wasn't suddenly poggers just because you couldnt run it consistent on your first match with a hunter

The game should be balanced even if every player has a level 50 hunter

[subtle lichen]

I'm all for levelling the field a bit with the new hunters. My only suggestion would be to perhaps tone down how many powerful traits they get as standard, but even that I'd be hesitant to implement tbh. I've played more this past week on my off nights than I did before because losing an expensive loadout isn't quite as punishing as it used to be. It still sucks, but I'm not as worried about not being able to afford a full loadout all the time.

[late quartz]

I just don't think the game should feel shitty if players have access to traits, personally

It feels like it shouldn't be an issue that players have access to better hunters starting out

[subtle lichen]

I don't think it does for the most part. Dying to anything feels crap, and fanning has a level of RNG that means it's not a surefire victory everytime.

[quasi thistle]

Referring back to the olden days of Hunt, scarcity has fluctuated in how effectively it limited gear and traits. However, the issue is now out of hand. You've always had your no life prestige 1, level 100 players K/D farming with $1000+ loadouts every game, but between prestiging and the relative costs people stuck to the mid tier gear more often than not. Traits took some work to get, you didn't see fanning every game because that was expensive and people often played tactically with those expensive Hunters so they could get them to 50.

The big difference is now I can hit reshuffle once or twice and get a Shift+W ready hunter right out the gate. With the addition of Vigor, regen shots, the health kit deployable, and the never ending events providing more ways than ever to heal, they removed the steaks that were baked into the cake. If they want to continue with removing the bars of entry, so to say, they need to add an artificial limitation in order to maintain the original atmosphere.

[subtle lichen]

I've fired off whole loads with revolvers at close range using fanning and maybe hit the dude in the toe from less than 5 metres.

[late quartz]

I disagree. Losing doesn't necessarily feel bad because of what you lost to. Some things inherently create a sense of hopelessness or frustration that isn't endemic to just having lost

And RNG doesn't make things feel more fair it just makes you feel even more like you got cheated

RNG makes losses sting more, in fact

[subtle lichen]

I see your point, but what I like about this game is how traits do have an actual impact on play. Some more than others, but that's a cool feature.

[late quartz]

Oh absolutely I have no issue with traits generally

There are just some that need major adjustments

[quasi thistle]

The RNG can be controlled with enough experience with a weapon. All rapid fire weapons have different rhythm to them, and while you can't totally eliminate the RNG you can reliably hit once you are comfortable with a given gun.

[subtle lichen]

Maybe have a hard ceiling for all hunters with traits so if you take fanning, you're not able to afford QM or something. But not sure that'd be fair really.

[late quartz]

Quartermaster probably just shouldn't work with shotguns period

Shotguns are insane, and I say this as a shotgun player

I never make any sacrifice for playing one

It's free

[subtle lichen]

It's weird. I almost never feel like QM is worth it at my skill level. I seem to do better taking a reliable pistol over a cut down winny or one of the stocked pistols. Must be a skill issue.

[late quartz]

Sure but that's because those are dogshit guns

[quasi thistle]

Pretty much.

[late quartz]

Those aren't worth playing

Rival slugs tho

[subtle lichen]

Like I said. Skill issue.

Picking guns is a skill!

[quasi thistle]

Scottfield precision and bow are the only two weapons I will take QM for. Shorty shotgun with slugs or fletchettes can also be go picks with it.

[late quartz]

If you really want something in that category your options are basically the centennial shorty or the obrez

Uppercut precision is fine but probably not significant enough of an upgrade to warrant QM

The stock uppercut is so outrageously strong it hardly needs more

[little jackal]

scott p 🤢

[quasi thistle]

Scotty precision with fmj is a reliable mid-range compliment to a sniper or shotgun.

[queen jungle]

@amber frost Check #customer-support

[tiny pivot]

Why can I not just use the legendary hunters that I paid for and like to use, just like I occasionally use regular hunters in normal gameplay?

[arctic flame]

I have a question for everyone see a lot of post redit and friend talk about it what did you think about the fact hunt add so many spam gun ? For my part that piss me off but I still enjoy the game cuz mostly it’s a fanning guys but it’s not that annoying do you like the directions of the game right now ?

[paper whale]

Always these " I have paid for this " argument. Yes you paid for the skins and you can use them in Bounty Hunt. No need to have them in quick play too

[tulip tapir]

reporting does nothing in that game , months ago i reported a guy who killed me with a silencer from 500 meters, today i met him again and he shot me from 240 meters while the new wheather makes seeing things more than 50 meters impossible.....12k hours in hunt and he cheats all time.
anticheat when?
btw , the whole russian trio had a K/D over 5! with that hours....maybe some just look 1 time into a replay.....oh wait you avoid replay because then we could see all the things...

[little jackal]

well, he tuned down the range, so...

[tiny pivot]

Yes, because I paid for it, and I want to use my skin that I paid good money for, in a game where skins only serve to look cool and support the developers, and because I want to. Like is that a good arguement? Any actual reasoning for not wanting to just skin over standard hunters, or is it just "I want to use white shirt because I like white shirt"? My arguement is just as good as yours xD

[arctic flame]

Cuz headsmane existe and if you play him in quickplay your are a ***

I know à out of context

[humble quest]

Why do you say it as if dlc skins in quick play somehow hurts the game mode

[tiny pivot]

Not relevant to what I'm saying. Headsman is a completely different issue and needs to be nerfed. Same excuse could be given to half of the tier 3 hunters who are intentionally designed to be darker and harder to see.

[vital fractal]

533 days of straight play time- take away 33 days worth of loading time (there’s no way it totals to that much right?)

Still 500 days worth of in game time

Imagine all the progress you can make in any other aspect of life with 12,975 hours

All the grass that can be touched

In nearly 13k hours of game play

[little jackal]

judging by the use of cheats, the guy didn't even progress in hunt 😄

[verbal marsh]

@vital fractal @pseudo stream interested to know what you dislike about the idea, personally I think it could be pretty cool :>

[vital fractal]

Don’t like the idea of the chain variant spreading to other weapons, I don’t like the idea of being able to basically turn on or off a suppressor at will, and I don’t think the gun would really fill a good niche*

[verbal marsh]

Any reason as to why on any of those points?

[waxen dagger]

I think it fills a very good niche, as you would get slower silenced shots when necessary but you have the ability to go higher rof when in a more active firefight

[verbal marsh]

Saves space when you want something silenced for picking people off like the silenced vetterli or winfield but also gives you the option of a decent medium and close range option like the nagant officer or lemat carbine imo

[waxen dagger]

Would be a nice gun to use with pure melee weapons

[unborn smelt]

i think that's specifically what rubs some people the wrong way you get all the upsides of a silencer without any of the downsides of one.

[ancient adder]

why is that everyone has fanning or levering. This is not hunt anymore, it really sucks

it's just push and spam, no brain

[waxen dagger]

The downside would be when actually using it you have a slow fire rate and potentially less range if it sticks with the usual debuff to silenced variants

And then you lose the silenced part if you’re switching to normal firing mode

So I think the downside is just the act of using the silenced mode as it’s a slower fire rate than standard silenced weapons

And whilst being a chain weapon, it wouldn’t be able to benefit from levering or fanning

[verbal marsh]

I dont really see how that works when the vetterli and winfield silencers exist, especially when in theory this would literally forego the silencer when having fast firing.

In silencer mode its a weaker sparks silencer. In carbine mode its a new army precision or similar

It's literally the same as how the lemat carbine works- it takes two desirable traits to pair together and then sacrifces the capability of each for convenience

[verbal marsh]

this is very true. Every single game i come across five duos who are both using chain fanning and centennial levering and if its not that, its avtos and crown and kings

[paper whale]

Yes and some even disliked the introduction of that one

You can already have fast fire and silencer. For example take a sparks silencer and a officer

[verbal marsh]

Some dislike the existence of the bomb lance. Some dislike the existence of the crossbow. Some dislike the existence of a tutorial. Some dislike the existence of cheat death. People complain all the time lol, doesnt mean it wouldn't have it's place in the game

[waxen dagger]

I’d expect it to have a similar firerate to the chain pistol

[verbal marsh]

then why does the officer brawler exist when you can just use an officer and dusters? same with any melee variant. Why does slugs exist when you can just use a rifle. The point isn't that these things dont already exist, the point is convenience

[subtle lichen]

Eeh, strapping a duster to a pistol isn't exactly high tech, I gotta agree that it sounds a lot like you'd get the best of two weapons in a single slot. Most other three slots make some sacrifice of some sort to be really good at something or other. If they were to somehow balance it how you're suggesting where it'd be a jack of all trades, but master of none, who would bother taking it?

[waxen dagger]

Basically because it’s a jack of all trades

[verbal marsh]

Considering things like the lemat carbine, drilling and now drilling handcannon variants, also putting slugs on shotguns or choke bolts on hand crossbows, I would wager more people than you think

[waxen dagger]

You don’t need to use something that is an s class weapon to have fun or for it to still be useful

[verbal marsh]

Especially when paired with a weapon that can fully carry its own weight like a sparks pistol or an obrez with quartermaster

The drilling and lemat and the harpoon shot bomb lance aren't exactly meta or gamebreaking but not every gun needs to be a master of one, lol

[subtle lichen]

I think you'd be putting too much flexibility into a single slot all things considered. But I'm a nobody so doesn't really matter either way

[verbal marsh]

I mean considering how much the lemat carbine can do and the bomb lance with steel ball and dragons breath equipped i really dont think its pushing it that far

not like anyone's gonna run anything other than fanning chain pistol and levering centennial anyway

[subtle lichen]

Every time I read about the proliferation of meta builds like that, I'm glad I'm languishing in 3 stars where nobody really has a fucking clue what they're doing. It's great.

[unborn smelt]

because it depends on how exactly it combares to those other silenced weapons...

Yes you don't get to use both upsides at the same time, i get that, but you still get to use both upsides by just the flick of a lever in this case - and that's incredibly powerful

[verbal marsh]

even in three star im just matching against people who sit half a compound away with winfield snipers and levering atm, have to say, not been the most enjoyable event so far

[subtle lichen]

I was in a game the other night where an obvious newbie had taken a nitro and used all the ammo on PvE

[verbal marsh]

So why sin't the drilling and lemat carbine used all the time then?

[unborn smelt]

the drilling is used pretty frequently from my experience...

as for the le mat carbine, well because it's compact ammo

[verbal marsh]

Really? I'm lucky to find it once every ten games

[subtle lichen]

The drilling in particular has well documented drawbacks, but yeah. I see it semi regularly.

[humble quest]

It's more popular at higher mmrs

Also the lemat shotgun was basically unusable before this patch if you weren't hugging someone

[subtle lichen]

If you're a good shot, it's very powerful

[verbal marsh]

In that case what makes this more powerful than the drilling?

[subtle lichen]

Even at point blank there was a higher than zero chance that you whiff them and then get shot for your trouble.

[unborn smelt]

i'm not claiming it's "more powerful than a drilling"

[subtle lichen]

You mean apart from being able to shoot stuff without making any noise?

[verbal marsh]

can confim, as a lemat carbine main i love getting 30 damage from a 2m range at 99% spread

[verbal marsh]

dont see how that makes it stronger than the drilling