feedback-discussion

[severe shell]

I agree. that says nothing about advantages/disadvantages of scopes though

[rotund obsidian]

Remove scopes from all the long ammo guns and give them to the derringer and the base nagant, nothing else.

[late quartz]

Snipers should not be about killing people from 200 meters away, they should be about holding pressure on lines of sight with the support of teammates to flush enemy players into your field of view

Doesn't matter if they know you're there, your teammates force them to peek

[late quartz]

Being able to click on people much easier than they can click on you, with a massive buffer between their effective range and you, where you're not vulnerable to any throwables, is a big set of advantages

It just doesn't include free kills to people who can't see you because you're in a bush

If that doesn't feel worthwhile to you, then yeah don't play a scope

For the record too I'm not even partial to scope glint I think it's an annoying feature that generally doesn't actually help very much

I just think the idea that it would make snipers unusable is somewhat outlandish

Usually scope glint makes it harder to see and aim at a player's model because the glint will be bigger or more visible than the player themself, so hitting a headshot at range is still very challenging

[severe shell]

if thats the case then just get rid of snipers, because they are designed for extreme ranges. maybe replace all snipers with marksman scopes. and im talking like ranges of 90-120 or so meters ive only been killed by a sniper further than 150 meters maybe twice in the two years ive played

[late quartz]

yeah I mean I'm 100% down for that

it is bewildering that they added sniper scopes to the game at all

[severe shell]

and not being able to click on them as easy as they can click on you at close range gives irons an advantage over snipers, it depends on the range. snipers are also more expensive and also have to worry more about stuff like bullet travel and scope sway more than irons requiring more skill

[late quartz]

Yeah that's true, irons are better in close range. Wont argue with that

[severe shell]

honestly that was my first reaction the first time I used a scoped rifle that it was a little overkill

[late quartz]

Ultimately my position is not that snipers are the best thing in the game or that they make every other playstyle unviable

it's that the game is always worse when players use scopes

It just does not improve the game and shouldn't be there

[stark fulcrum]

But that can be said about a lot

To be fair@late quartz

[late quartz]

Yeah for sure

[stark fulcrum]

I gave up on fighting spam after cyclone. Op, no its not, but its just another addition to a growing pile.

[late quartz]

I am in favor of removing things from games LUL Just ecause it's in teh game doesn't mean it should be

[late quartz]

We agree one million percent. The Cyclone isn't uniquely overpowered, it's just another Dolch Officer Avto Spitfire

But all those other things shouldn't be in the game either

[stark fulcrum]

I wish lol

[severe shell]

at least at my lvl you know what we do when dealing with snipers? leave, go the opposite direction. usually by that point we got a bounty on us and will head to the opposite extract, cause the snipers are two skiddish to contest areas

[late quartz]

They are, and it's cringe, and they'll never be removed, but yeah they absolutely make Hunt Showdown worse

[late quartz]

Yeah and that's dogshit gameplay

Same deal when people leave the match early or spend the whole match greyzone farming

[severe shell]

thats what gameplay is like in an extraction shooter. you get to pick most of your battles and I like it like that

[late quartz]

Everything in moderation

I agree that Hunt's ambiguous victory state is great, love it

I love that 'just don't take the fight" is part of the game

Scopes take it too far

lair camping takes it too far

[stark fulcrum]

Id rather fight a compound with 3 shotguns than a guy shooting twice then falling back a mile and repeating lol, but I respect thats what he's allowed and or wants to do as well.

[severe shell]

I feel you I really do but camping in lairs or with a scope is just indicative to extraction shooters and is something you got to handle as part of the game

[stark fulcrum]

3 shotguns defending i just chuck stuff inside and wallbang them

[severe shell]

in the facebook groups im in its always shotgun users complaining about snipers and snipers complaining about shotguns

we could get rid of both and just have irons the whole game but that makes things boring

[late quartz]

Or the game's designers can create systems and incentives that encourage gameplay that they subjectively find to be most enjoyable

Instead of "that's just how it is", change the game to discourage things that make it worse

[stark fulcrum]

Well idk how to solve that issue. Shotgunners camping inside. Meanwhile long ammo is camping outside. What do you do? Shotgunners run out theyre dead for sure assuming its good players. Long ammo rushes in theyre dead. Hard issue to come up with a solution to. Pyrrhic and I discussed it earlier a bit.

[severe shell]

I agree, like smokes or flares blinding scopes

dont just defacto delete snipers by nerfing so bad its unplayable

[late quartz]

I think scopes are just beyond balancing

IMO there aren't games that do scopes good

It's a genre wide problem

I doubt Hunt Showdown will be the one that finds a solution lul

But as far as games go, Hunt's scopes create a disproportionately high number of issues for variety of external reasons

[stark fulcrum]

I was hoping it would be single and lever actions, sharps rifles and a couple double actions when I started hunt. Then I heard the avto lol

[severe shell]

snipers have always been hardest to balance in every game i agree

[severe shell]

its suppose to be a rare novalty but people have made so much money in they game that they can blow 1250 bucks on one every game and not feel a thing

lucky for me they are still rare in low 4 stars

[late quartz]

Subjective, obviously, but yeah that's the stuff that makes Hunt's gunplay really fun and special to me. I think when you have a match where those are the fights you get, it bolsters every other part of the game.

The gamemode is at its best, the compounds at their best, the HP mechanic the burnign mechanic the revive mechanic, Dark Sight boost, the movement, the pace of fights

[severe shell]

honestly I really wanna know who had the fucking bright idea to add the veterli cyclone

[late quartz]

Everything is most well attuned to these mid range duels with slower firing weapons

[vast beacon]

More historical characters! It pleases me that you brought in Jean Lafitte the pirate as a soon-to-come character!

[brisk timber]

tbf in rl there hardly is anything that counters a good sniper aswell besides rpgs, tanks and stuff like that 😄

[stark fulcrum]

Drones

Drones counter snipers rakki

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-with-drone-drone-remote-control-gif-17749272

[late quartz]

So frag bomb stalker beetles

That's the solution

[stark fulcrum]

Yes

[hazy quartz]

concertina bomb beetle when?

[lone oxide]

the mmr of the solo's should be dropped more its unplayable

[unreal adder]

that poor animal

[calm garnet]

I just had 4 kills and only got credit for 2??? whats the deal? did they change something?

sorry, I went back and checked. I had 3 downs but only got credit for 2 kills. there's still something fishy going on with my kill counts, but I didn't get 4

[spice topaz]

One guy was red skull revived most likely

[winter plover]

Why do people keep suggesting being able to drop a gun, no matter for what, would be a good thing?
Imagine somebody dropping his primary in a real weird spot, just to loot a dead bodies gun. If he is later revived he will have no guns...

[rugged iron]

If you kill someone that already was redskulled you wont get a kill for it

[steady prism]

it always brightens my day when someone DARES to post a suggestion about semi-automatic, period correct weapon...

"What did you fucking say to me? 5-round Semi-automatic pistol from 1891? How am I supposed to counter that OP beast with my Mosin sniper with Spitzers?!?! Downvote that shit to oblivion!"

"There is only one way to play the game and thats bushcamping! Shame to whoever runs nonskill CQB builds!"

[wary whale]

I see he is already banned today, that was quick thanks 🙂

[blissful jackal]

No they would still be insanely strong. Would discourage kids from just sitting in the same spot for 10 minutes ads'ing

This is part of the problem, when your guns literally can't kill them because your headshot range isn't far enough to kill. If I bring slate uppercut even if I hit a headshot they can live past 115m

This just isn't true

They won't always see you, and even if they do, you are far enough away you won't be punished unless they are also sniper or good long ammo enjoyer

[blissful jackal]

Awesome gameplay loop. Running away and leaving because you can't fight back. See the problem?

[brazen gyro]

#game-ideas message If this is implemented, the weapons should be contraband, to stop RMT.

[unborn dagger]

^this

It would be broken as shit if you just simply give it to your team mate endlessly

[plush wraith]

can you plz nerf carabine it is very annoying that all the untalented noob s are somehow hs all the time. 2nd plz do something with the uppermat / lower price or increase handling. thanks

[mellow glade]

….. I’m doing the opposite buffing carabine nerfing uppermat

[mellow glade]

You got headshot that’s either a skill issue or a unlucky chance

[wintry gull]

Please. Please. Please. Nerf Headsmen

[turbid hound]

#game-ideas message I think it's fine as is. It's fair trade of combat advantage and potential money gains.

[stark fulcrum]

Or a gun you can spam one after another 7 times until you get a headshot lol.

[unreal adder]

Because some friends are bad and have no hunt dollars

[unreal adder]

I will continue suggesting them

[winter plover]

Nah man, that's just a bad mechanic. Revives are there to give an opportunity to get back up and fight, not to run to next extract without any guns because some solo bush wookie threw them away while your team fought another trio.
That's just a bad solution in regards to burning people and dealing with solo necro.

[rotund obsidian]

Fire is good, fire has been tuned and adjusted to force fights or to leave people out of the game at a fair pace. There's no reason to add more ways to punish bodies

The only possible issue is redskull revives but that still forces a fight for bounty later on

[mellow glade]

but its small ammo thats kinda its thing. if it was large ammo then it would be concerning

[mellow glade]

i like when people say that fast firing weapons take no skill when they are small ammo

[unborn dagger]

I mean in a game that is mainly bolt actions and lever actions... yeah it doesn't take that much skill because of spam.

[late quartz]

Reminder that all guns require you to hit your shots lol

If you just miss all your bullets I guess it doesn't matter how fast you fired them... but when people say something "takes no skill" 99% of the time it is hyperbole

It is a statement on the relative ease of doing something compared to other alternatives

[late quartz]

I'm really not sure why this community has collectively decided that every balancing issue is an "X weapon vs Y weapon" divide. Fast firing weapons subvert the unique pace and flow of Hunt's combat.

It's not any more tolerable if you're using irons in close range fight against somebody with a semi auto weapon. A faster rate of fire means you can fuck up a lot more without being punished, it means you can make more attempts to hit the opposing player in the same span of time, it means you have more opportunities to hitstun them out of their <1 shot per second while you get to keep shooting.

Treating this like it's only bushcampers who dislike this stuff and all CQC are just pogging out over it is, in my opinion, pretty dishonest.

[unborn dagger]

And this is why I think stuff like the cyclone(While only having 4 shots yes) isn't fitting for hunt's gameplay

[queen jungle]

@solid spire Maybe you should think of a different name for your suggestion 🤨

[solid spire]

Sigh, ok. But then I can't tell "as stupid as the title goes"

[steady prism]

i was just exaggerating with the mosin example... but what you said is exactly my point

i think that semi-auto weapons have their downsides and they sit in nicely right next to manually operated rifles and revolvers

[late quartz]

I mean sure if your point is "the community is vocal about disliking high rpm weapons"

That's probably true lol

[steady prism]

more like... community falsely believes that RPM is the most important stat

[late quartz]

Obviously it's not a consensus but there are always gonna be large swathes of people in gaming who don't really care as long as they're winning

[steady prism]

while we fully know that even semi-autos in this game cycle EXTREMELY slowly, close to the point where it doesnt matter

[late quartz]

Firstly, what stat other than damage do you think matters more than rpm in general

[steady prism]

i think that the one that usually matters the most is... what is my OHK distance...

[late quartz]

Secondly I totally disagree with this characterization, but even if I grant it, it's about the difference in rpm between fast and slow firing weapons

[late quartz]

So damage

[steady prism]

ye basically

it goes hand to hand with range

[late quartz]

Yeah I mean, few people like the bornheim or derringer

You aren't gonna struggle to get people on board with the idea that low damage matters more than low rpm

But beyond that...?

[steady prism]

i for example LOVE bornheim match and i love to play with it... but there is not much of us

[late quartz]

If your gun deals 75 damage or more and has a high rpm it will basically fit into the "unpleasant to fight" category

[steady prism]

depends... its not exactly easy to hit 2+ rounds up close, while the enemy unloads a trenchgun into your face

[late quartz]

It is easier by comparison than if you had a slower weapon. You can fuck up, they can hitstun you and make you miss, and you can still just keep shooting

[steady prism]

to me semi autos are a pleasant niche... they rarely win against dedicated hard-hitters but they are quite good against bad players, that fail to obliterate you on first shot

[late quartz]

Inherently I think high rpm weapons are more fun to play, why wouldn't you want to shoot more right?

The issue is that even if something is viscerally enjoyable, it might still be bad for the game.

If you've ever had the experience of going "wow I'm winning for free RN this is probably not balanced" that's basically how I feel using these weapons

Sure it's fun to dolch down 3 dudes effortlessy but like... Man is it actually healthy?

[steady prism]

i agree that i hadnt touch a dolch for a long time

[late quartz]

It is extremely easy to use these weapons if you have any level of mechanical skills

[vital fractal]

That’s the thing, even skilled players won’t instantly obliterate you first shot- you can get instant headshot but you put a semi auto vs a non semi auto in the hands of similarly matched players- the semi auto will win most of the engagements 1 on 1

[steady prism]

but i dont agree that salvator-dormus goes to similar bracket as a dolch

[late quartz]

I'm not sure what that is

[steady prism]

its basically a reskinned colt 92

with 1 less round

[late quartz]

I'm gonna need stats not historical trivia LOL

We can't all be gun nuts

[steady prism]

disagree

you need context

[mellow glade]

Yeah Honestly my balence is stick fast firing to small ammo

I don’t like medium ammo fast fire

Except if it’s fanning

That’s fine

[late quartz]

That's the problem, tho, guns that allow for more mistakes and more flexibility will allow you to leverage an advantage in a greater set of contexts.

Nitpicking specific examples can be done infinitely, the point is that a tool that punished mistakes less and rewards skill more will dominate in a greater set of situations

[steady prism]

semi autos has their prefered engagement distance... and thats mid, short-to-mid... at long range they are inferior to long ammo rifles and on close range, they are way too clunky to be used effectively against dedicated cqb weapons like shotguns or fanning SA revolvers

[vital fractal]

Do you though in this case?

Assuming we get rid of super fringe cases, it’s generally accepted semi auto variants are stronger than non semi on most 1v1 encounters

[late quartz]

Its not really any more poggers to die to a drilling before you can shoot your second shot after you miss your first due to hitstun than it is to die to a dolch lol

[steady prism]

agree... thats the main positive of semi-autos... you can somewhat use them at any distance better than specialised weapons

[late quartz]

Unless you're in the OPTIMAL range for extremely niche specialized weapons you're always kinda at an upper hand by default, other players need to outskill and outplay you much harder than they would if you had a slower weapon.

[vital fractal]

This

[late quartz]

That's the problem. the all rounder mid tier rifles are meant to be to center of the power curve for duels and skirmishes in the broadest set of engagements

Going "well officer carbine loses at 200 meters or at 3 against a rival" doesn't mean that the heart and soul of the games arsenal, lever and bolt action primary weapons, feels sort of outmoded by semi autos

Not to mention any pistol or sidearm that fires slowly LOL

[steady prism]

i heavily disagree that ANY gun is outmoded by semi-autos

[mellow glade]

but at that point its a range issue. if you are long ammo then dont be close to hunters simple as that

[steady prism]

sure they cycle a bit faster, but it rarely has any huge impact on the encounter....

[vital fractal]

That’s just straight false

Fire rate is a HUGE balancing factor in this game

[late quartz]

Frankly my duderino if you think "just don't ever take mid range fights with a rifle" is how hunt showdown should be played I'm not going to engage with you :P

[steady prism]

they are great at punishing unprotected targets at mid-range, that believe they are safe bcs of how long it takes to fire twice

[vital fractal]

So fire rate… is important..?

[steady prism]

but they are deliberately made worse than they can potentially be

[mellow glade]

you can im not saying dont. but understand you are at a disadvantage

[vital fractal]

You just said fire rate isn’t a big deal but then said they are good because of fire rate

[steady prism]

omfg

dude

[late quartz]

Yeah no, it's not "at a disadvantage", it's whether or not the degree and type of disadvantage should be in the game

[vital fractal]

Am I being dense?

[late quartz]

Nobody things fast rpm weapons are unbeatable

They just make the game worse

[steady prism]

they are GREAT at PUNISHING UNPROTECTED TARGETS AT MID RANGE

[vital fractal]

Now finish and say why

[steady prism]

this is the important part of the sentence

[vital fractal]

Repeat it

Now repeat why

[brisk timber]

It once wasnt that big of a deal, as for example the difference between martini and sparks was always big but never a game changer
i think it only got problematic with the many new really high rof guns

[mellow glade]

so you would rather have NO fast guns in hunt. so no levering no fanning no officer no new army

[late quartz]

Yes?

[steady prism]

just like they are bad at dueling with snipers on long range that are utilising cover

[steady prism]

and why is that?

[radiant river]

everything is...

[vital fractal]

So fringe circumstances?

[mellow glade]

hunt would get stale quick then. because that just makes another issue. why choose anything but long ammo then

litterly

[steady prism]

wym

[mellow glade]

you make any other ammo type obsolete

[little jackal]

comparing close combat rof with snipers at long range huh

[steady prism]

thats how at least 50% of fights are fought?

[vital fractal]

Where as most other weapons will be well within optimal range of the semi, where the semi will be simply better due to its fire rate….

[vital fractal]

How often are you getting into 200m fights?

[steady prism]

you dont need 200m fight

[vital fractal]

Most fights are within 50m

[steady prism]

you just need 40... and cover

[vital fractal]

WELL within a semi range

Hell, that’s well within drop off with fmj on the cyclone

[steady prism]

if you both fire at each other.. you deal 124 damage and enemy deals 140.. you will slowly lose to his long ammo rifle... there is no advantage for semi-auto here

[vital fractal]

You have 150 health

By your logic the sparks wins

[late quartz]

Because there are so many games I can go play with gunplay that centers around faster pacing.

Hunt showdown's pace and gunplay is super unique when it revolves primarily around mid range combat with relatively slow rpm weapons.

The issue with high rpm weapons is that they allow players to totally circumvent the unique gunplay hunt offers, and discourages others from engaging in it as well lest they be at a massive disadvantage.

I prefer when games bolster what makes them unique and don't allow players to erode those dynamics.

[vital fractal]

That’s not true at all lmao

[late quartz]

Because you still have other guns with faster rpm ._.

The Winfield is still faster than the mosin my man

[vital fractal]

You die whenever someone loses the 150 first, the semi will hit it first if both land shots when possible

[mellow glade]

but you dont want that. you wanted NO fast rpm and even then why use winfield when you can just use long ammo

[little jackal]

124 and 140 consume the same number of heals 😄 if only you had something to do a fast followup shot with, oh wait

[steady prism]

there are almost no high rpm weapons...

[mellow glade]

as much as i agree with some of your points that is false

[steady prism]

you got avtomat and if you really bash that button hard, you got fanning

[mellow glade]

there are many

[late quartz]

We get more and more as the game goes on, and it's not really shocking that every single one of them is considered a great weapon lol

[steady prism]

other weapons have REALLY low RPM

they have highER RPM than bolt actions sure... but thats not HIGH

[vital fractal]

Fym? We got cyclone, officer variants, avto - followed by krag centennial new army - followed by spitfire - followed by fanning levering

[steady prism]

how much does the cyclone has?

[late quartz]

If you think I want all guns to have identical rpm idk what to say.

Why use the winny over the mosin? To fish for headshots at a faster rpm LOL

I do it currently

[mellow glade]

so whats the issue?

[steady prism]

im quite confused by this conversation ngl

[late quartz]

It's about the comparative speeds. Doesn't need to be 600 rpm to be an issue

[late quartz]

The Winfield is not problematic without levering. The officer is. Too fast is too fast, just right is not too fast lol

Its a Spectrum🌈

[mellow glade]

it has damege drop off alot of it.

[late quartz]

Still slaps my dude idk if you've ever used it

Its a great gun and I don't think its falloff makes it less cheesy

[mellow glade]

i do use it. but im saying it has weaknesses you can exploit

[late quartz]

Yes but the counterplay it forces makes the game worse for everybody

[steady prism]

everything has weakenesses you can exploit... thats the name of the game

[mellow glade]

how by going into a little bit more range or by not peaking the same place twice?

[late quartz]

Sit at 150 meters plinking at people cause you're terrified to go closer is like garbage tier hunt gameplay

[mellow glade]

you have bombs different angles and alot of variables that can change this

[steady prism]

ok... now im COMPLETELY confused wtf is going on

[late quartz]

I as a CQC player want people to come fight me, I as a rifler don't want to just take potshots for 30 minutes lul

Mid range fights are where hunt shines, and these guns all still dominate at mid range

Extreme range fights should still be in Hunt but developing an meta that REVOLVES around them is not ideal in my subjective opinion

Having a massive disparity between the strength of close~mid range weapons and everything else doesn't make the game dynamic and interesting it makes it static and passive

[steady prism]

so let me get this straight....

you are saying... that the semi-autos are unfair and doesnt fit the game... because best way to play the hunt is to engage at medium distances, at which the semi-autos are good at?

[mellow glade]

you basically want the best conditions every fight but thats not hunt

[mellow glade]

using your logic then shotguns should not dominate close range

i guess we should get rid of the remero

[steady prism]

or you are saying that the semi-autos are unfair, because they are good at mid-range engagements AND they can handle short distance engagement better than bolt-action rifles?

because i got lost in the convo...

ah i see... now when i look at the history, another dude chimed in... that may be the reason why im confused

[late quartz]

Not that they're unfair, but that they're unhealthy for the game.

At mid range, almost every weapon has more or less a fighting chance. Some guns are slightly better, some are slightly worse, some are more niche some are more general. This is where everybody can figuratively and literally meet in the middle to do fun interesting Hunt combat.

The problem with semi autos is that they're comparatively too good when put up against most of the rest of the arsenal, which discourages players from engaging in these types of fights.

The problem is that they are too good in a niche that should be sort of a neutral no mans land area. Riflers are the most flexible, snipers and shotgunners have their sidearms and can leverage positional advantages to make use of their niche primaries, everybody can use consumables which are all inherently situational tactical options

[steady prism]

well yes and no... they are great at fighting unprotected... they have an undeniable advantage, when you cant hide after taking damage...

but thats where their usefullnes ends...

if you fight mid-range fight from cover to cover, it is almost 100% independent on weapons that everyone uses

[late quartz]

idk what this whole "unprotected thing" means. Most guns require that you shoot people more than once, that's standard. Semi autos can just do that faster and with smaller windows. If somebody quick peeks a corner and I shoot them with a boltie I'm still not getting a followup shot on that guy

[steady prism]

and since mid-range cover to cover combat is typically what you want to get yourself into, lots of fights take place under these conditions

[late quartz]

EVEN IF WE GRANT that semis are no better in peeking duels than slower weapons, which I do not agree with, they're still going to be perfectly capable of that with the added flexibility of being able to push on an opportunity or easily kill multiple players in short succession if need be

[steady prism]

unprotected combat = you catch a team offguard, typically when you are both outside compounds

[late quartz]

You don't have every advantage at all times, but having a flexible gun means you're not caught with a disadvantage because the situation changes dynamically

[steady prism]

and there is no place where you can hide to regain health

basically the endgame in hunt

[late quartz]

Yeah no I just disagree that cover invalidates the strength of semi autos

[steady prism]

completely

[mellow glade]

if we had your kind of hunt with the removal of semi autos or the nerf there would litterly be no reason to use them

[late quartz]

To use what?

[steady prism]

i have NEVER had a semi-automatic rifle in hunt, that I could use to tap a person twice in the chest so fast, that he was not able to sidestep behind cover

[mellow glade]

semi autos. no point its fine for a gun to dominate a range. at this point you are refusing to go long range because you dont want to

[late quartz]

Use the drilling it's insanely fucking easy LOL

[steady prism]

the cycle rate is too slow OR they have massive recoil, that makes it hard to do quick follow-up shots

[late quartz]

The drilling is so outrageously fucking good at just melting people before they can do anything

[steady prism]

tbf i have never had that in hands

[late quartz]

Yeah I would try it out

[mellow glade]

it has two shots though.

once those are over then it gotta reload

[late quartz]

So don't miss my guy idk. You can delete one person if they peek

[steady prism]

you can delete a guy with winchester if you hit him in the face

[mellow glade]

i can use that arguement against you then. dont like semi autos just dont miss hit the head

there you go

[steady prism]

you should aim at the head anyway when you fight cover to cover....

[late quartz]

I wanna stress, I am a CQC player, I mained the officer until the spitfire came out, now that's my default sidearm. I primarily play fast firing weapons because they're insanely overtuned for my playstyle

If you're into this shit the drilling is extremely fucking fun

[late quartz]

If you can't hit 2 shots in a row, you're going to extra fucked if your gun fires slowly. If you fire really fast, and you can hit two shots in a row, you're gonna be at a major advantage.

If you miss when you fire slowly you get punished extra hard

[steady prism]

i agree i had insane amounts of fun with stuff like bornheim match or officer carbine... but they work best when you catch someone out of position

[radiant river]

you realize thats just how being out of position works

[steady prism]

they are not some kind of universal best for every scenario golden tickets to victory... they have their time and place

[radiant river]

every gun is good against people out of position

thats why you call it "out of position"

[steady prism]

yes.. but some punish more than the others

[mellow glade]

but if you hit the shot even at the torso you deal alot of damege. one shot makes litterly anything able to kill you

it forces you to go into cover

[radiant river]

no, some are just easier

they all punish the same

[steady prism]

well ye

[late quartz]

So now you can fire your second shot with a third of the delay as your opponent

[mellow glade]

also just switch to your sidearm

[late quartz]

Faster followup = better

[mellow glade]

but thats in the ideal scenario that you just bumrush. that strategey wont always wrok

At this point all these points you are making assumes the person is a bumrusher that does not take cover

[steady prism]

you can also bumrush straight into the barrel of romero

[mellow glade]

or heal

[late quartz]

Sometimes I feel like hunt players don't actually play hunt ._.

[mellow glade]

i have 200 hours into it

[steady prism]

apparently i have 416... but its true i havent played for like half a year

[mellow glade]

and i use different loadout styles except sniper because im trying to learn to get better

i have used the drilling before and its good yes but not OP

[late quartz]

Maybe I'm just completely fucking cracked out and none of this stuff ever gets in the way for me but "what if they use cover" or "what if you can't bumrush" has never made me go "oh dang I really do regret having my officer right now"

[steady prism]

tbf... i dont understand why they didnt do it the other way around...

[mellow glade]

so you are mad you are getting kills?

[steady prism]

shit could have been much simpler if they made the drilling 2 shotgun 1 medium

[late quartz]

I am able to recognize that it's not balanced even if I'm winning

Picking up a drilling and just deleting people doesn't feel fair

Sure, I'm winning, and that's kind a fun in a visceral way

[mellow glade]

what star are you in

[late quartz]

5

[mellow glade]

go to 6 see if its different

[steady prism]

i have almost never regretted my loadout choice...

[mellow glade]

nobody likes 6 nvm

[late quartz]

._.

[mellow glade]

dont do that

[steady prism]

the games are what we make of them...

[late quartz]

I recognize that the skill and effort required to use these weapons is comparatively very low

I win a lot of fights because I have them, that I know I wouldn't be able to capitalize on with a different weapon

And sure winning is great but also video games are about the journey not the destination

I want the gunplay to be satisfying not just the end result to be a victory

And "just don't play them" is not a solution because most people wont just nerf themselves and do PvP challenge runs out of principle and honor LOL
The meta is the meta and people will gravitate towards what lets them win with the least effort possible

[mellow glade]

atleast this is better then long ammo meta

[mellow glade]

also just random question do you ever intentionally derank

[late quartz]

No but I also don't really mind my MMR or grind for it, I'm more willing to make risky plays than I am willing to avoid a death to maintain my MMR

[late quartz]

Long ammo has always been meta. In 2018~maaaaybe early 2020 I think Hunt's meta was at its best because it had such a strong focus on mid range fights.

Long ammo was still dominant, but people with long ammo were willing to fight you within a compound much more readily. People weren't as afraid of leaving their most optimal range

AT LEAST THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE

[mellow glade]

i will agree with you on one thing though

i dont guns that are super fast firing in medium ammo

with the exception of the spitfire because its my baby and im biased for that gun and that gun only

if it was small ammo then it would give it a pass

[late quartz]

What's the highest capacity you think a fast RPM weapon should have?

Or wait, medium ammo like the ammo type or medium ammo as it ammo capacity?

[mellow glade]

nothing should be faster then officer

unless fannign

[mellow glade]

medium ammo type

[late quartz]

Honestly medium ammo isn't really that different from compact

[mellow glade]

it has more damege dropoff

[late quartz]

That's true, but I think this community dramatically overvalues dropoff. The amount of encounters it meaningfully affects is in my observation considerably smaller than I think people realize

[mellow glade]

im my opinion it has really made it or break it for me as i have lost fights because a gun took 3 hits instead of two

i knew if i had fmj i would of got them

[late quartz]

When you say "you knew" I guess my question was

Did you go do the math

Or just kinda assume lul

Don't get me wrong, it matters

I just think people point to dropoff as sort of a mystical "it's different therefore balance" sort of macguffin

[mellow glade]

i tested in the range to see and i know its not 100 percent but i had a friend kinda simulate to the fight to see if bringing fmj in that range would of made a difference

it did

because he got really mad i didint kill that guy and thought i was bad (which i am but still i needed to cope somehow)

[late quartz]

LOL I mean I respect it

We all know that one guy

[mellow glade]

hey we had a deep and meaningful hunt conversation will you be able to be on in around an hour maybe we can do some matches. and actually discuss everything in practice instead of the theretical stuff

i think it would be fun

(warning i suck)

like really bad

plus you seem chill in general

if you are willing give me an @

actually instead of an hour 30 mins

[late quartz]

I appreciate the offer but I'm pretty conservative about playing with strangers. ilu tho bud and I do appreciate the conversation

[mellow glade]

ah i see well if ever you want to try somebody new im open to it. i will be nice and im not very toxic

[hot harbor]

Add jiggle physics to distract the enemy hunters so I have a chance in theses uneven match made lobbies. It's really unfair I have to go against a duo or trio of P10 players when neither me or any of my friends have surpassed level 70

[vital fractal]

The green pants hunters are too caked up when they get downed- sorry, I kill just to see them, jiggle physics will only focus me more towards my goal

How is anyone supposed to sneak around the bayou with them Yams clapping every step of the way?

[reef violet]

See a lot of “let me choose” for queuing. I feel like there can only be so many choose options before the queue splitting get too complicated and matchmaking gets slow and clonky

[thorny spindle]

I almost never really notice the dropoff difference between the two (except headshot distance) but I loathe compact ammo on anything other than a secondary or the officer carbine. Not being able to pen fucking anything and not being able to headshot someone past 2ft in front of your face makes me want to die.

[vital fractal]

? You can headshot out to 150m base Winfield ammo ?

Also FMJ fixes a lot of your issues, it’s a straight upgrade to compact ammo

[hot harbor]

I'm just of the opinion that people who have not prestiged yet shouldn't be queuing against players greater than at very least P3

It really isn't fun to get wall banged 2 games in a row mid bounty despite plenty of traps

[hoary widget]

Prestige doesn't mean anything

[hot harbor]

Game knowledge

[hoary widget]

?

[hot harbor]

They know the maps and environments alot better than me

[hoary widget]

I have literally never prestiged and have 1500+ hours

Prestige means nothing

[hot harbor]

Cool, still would be nice to not end up in the same games as people with 500+ hours when I'm 45 is what I'm saying

[hoary widget]

That won't fix anything and would just make MM more divided

because again prestige isn't tied to skill

[hot harbor]

Ok

However

Would it be fair if i

A person who's got 45 hours

Go against a duo of two people with p8 and p10 respectively and both having over 800 hours

As a solo

[hoary widget]

I play solo regularely against trios and win half of my matches, idk what to tell you.

This issue isn't tied to prestige. The mm system in itself is pretty fucked from what most can observe which you realistically only fix by focussing on stats such as KD and hours i guess, but it doesn't help that Hunt has a relatively small playerbase.

Also, you are new and Hunt is an incredibly tough and unforgiving game.

[hot harbor]

my brother in Christ ther s a massive skill difference between us.

[hoary widget]

Yes

[hot harbor]

And would you agree that someone who's prestiged atleast 3 times has more experience and this therefore more used to the game than someone who's not level 100 P0

[hoary widget]

No because someone who has prestiged 3 times could very well be farming AI which is not an uncommon thing.

[hot harbor]

As my argument is. I probably shouldn't be queued against people very drastically better than me and can wall bang me from 80 meters away. As I can set 6 traps and 2 bear traps and make no difference.

I'm leaving this. You're very stubborn

[hoary widget]

Rofl

[rotund obsidian]

The metric for matchmaking already exists, and it's stars. I'm sure there are players at prestige 50+ that are worse than you.

stars are far from perfect but using playtime as a metric would be far worse

[hoary widget]

True

[restive dove]

Stars are just as bad

Can literally go from 3-6 in five hours

[rotund obsidian]

Stars are a better system, but there's too much vulnerability to abuse

[late quartz]

Ultimately Hunt isn't a game where knowledge or experience really outweigh raw, transferrable mechanical skill

if you can click on people well from playing other games you're gonna be fine in Hunt. You're not really at a massive disadvantage and the game already does have some systems to ease ultra-new players into the game

Knowledge and experience obviously matter, but not so much that we can say a prestieged player is going to consistently outperform a P0 player and consider that as a primary matchmaking factor

[blissful jackal]

true, going against low elo players isnt really fun if you destroy them and its not fun for the low elo player getting destroyed

[vital fractal]

Yeah the current MMR matching system isn’t very conducive to fairness, and that definitely seems to throw off new players and normal players

However, I feel like new players are really thrown off by the learning curve- even with the new tutorial- it does not teach players how to deal with certain mobs or common situations very well

Topics like sound, wall bangs, mobs like immolators, and such are barely if at all really explained

The loadouts and what items do are left to the player to find out

It’s a lot of research to figure out what does what in game, which can turn people off

So you add all that to the group of players that are new and it’s not surprising that they feel completely unmatched to the prestige 4 who may have a k/d of only 0.88 but still knows well enough how to kinda not instantly throw a flare as to where they are or how to kinda handle mobs

[hot harbor]

^^^

[glad sorrel]

Please explain.

[blissful jackal]

i mean the game just has a high learning curve, no amount of tutorial is gonna prepare them for going against people who already know what to do

[vital fractal]

But the game CAN do a better job explaining the basics,

The new tutorial was a good start, but it certainly doesn’t give enough emphasis to those who need it- an advanced tutorial would be great to explore these topics imo beyond just a basic one compound boss

@little yarrow report to crytek website, nothing will be done here- you have pics and names but you also will be warned against posting names in discord

I’m on your side 👁👁

[severe shell]

@blissful jackal I read your idea about looting hunters and I think that is something that needs to be addressed

honestly I think you should just get like 50 bucks per hunter you loot plus a consumable by default and packmule could either get you a second consumable or more money or both

I feel like there is a similar problem when you get an 11 kill game but die and finish the match with 50 bucks, maybe instead of getting more money from loot the kill cards at the end of the match could reward a little money that would solve both problems, like 25-50 a hunter

[graceful silo]

I love everything about the game but sometime when you looting dead body its kinda mess up because you will pick them stuff up instead.

[blissful jackal]

something along those lines

[blissful jackal]

or get an 11 kill game and only get 100 hunt dollars because you were using util the whole game even though you looted 11 hunters

@lean sky I dont think the bosses should be harder.

[lean sky]

why?

[blissful jackal]

They are a means of bringing pvp. They are already annoying af like spider or assasin just running away taking longer to fight. Plus you have new players ALREADY finding them too hard.

obviosuly they are easy to kill but like spider just runs away or assaasin in bug form 24/7 so annoying

making it harder would just make killed them an even more annoying chore

[lean sky]

you got a point, but i do think they´re pretty boring

maybe just make them have more different attacks

[humble elk]

Does everyone have garbage ping on EU? I usually have max 35 but now its almost stable 60+

[analog willow]

@jagged wagon UI change is in the works! #feedback message

[lean sky]

my ping in EU is fine

[radiant river]

Rotjaw is more interesting

I don't think it'd be worth rework the bosses but if they add more they could make them more like rotjaw

With powerful, choreographed attacks that you have to dodge to then deal damage

[vital fractal]

Slugs one shot through steel doors?

If not then what the fuck just happened

[dapper fiber]

@brisk timber vulture used to have an ability where dead hunters would glow white in dark sight but crytek took it away. I don’t remember when. Would be cool if it came back.

[crystal plume]

IIRC it was not an actual feature and not only for vulture

It was a bug related to something else

[dapper fiber]

Wasn’t it around for a long time pre-1.0? I thought it was intended

[vital fractal]

I just realized

The spread on the crown and king buckshot is so bad

The slate out damages it on average at 10 m according to the store

👁👁

A medium barrel out does the long barrel of the CnK

[glad sorrel]

2 night in a row in randoms... please explain? How am I matching 1.5 stars above my level? I dont ever see 3 and 2.5 star teams in my games.

[vital fractal]

Yeah the slate is a bit overtuned

It shouldn’t out do the medium barrel specter

It’s way too powerful compared to the other medium barrel shotguns

[glass fable]

explain how you can move from mmr 5 to mmr 3 in 15 death? same moving from mmr 3 to mmr 5 in 15 kils, fixed you mmr seriously

[raven pebble]

hackers and shit trades would be helped alot if ping wasnt such an issue. put it down to 100 orso because its a joke how easy it is to abuse it

[blissful jackal]

it doenst

specter consistantly gets 1tap further than slate

now for multikills slate is better

but specter is still good

the tradeoff with slate is higher spread

but slate slugs is just crazy good if thats what you are talking about

and slug specter kinda mid because of how the action opens topside

damage is good tho

[radiant river]

Is specter not long barrel?

[wanton imp]

specter is supposed to be a long barrel

unless hes talking about the bayonet version

[vital fractal]

The specter bayonet is medium barrel and has worse spread than the slate, so it outdoes it

[vital fractal]

The specter bayonet is medium barrel

[dreamy cobalt]

Would anyone be interested in a variation of the Pax based on this pistol? #game-ideas message

[vital fractal]

No, if a New pax variant came out id prefer a single slot variant that emphasizes accuracy velocity, and range at the cost of firing speed and reload speed, and maybe damage

[blissful jackal]

oh i didnt realize u said medium specter

yeah its ass

it didnte even register that it was a gun because i never use it

because the spread is worse

[radiant river]

thats just because that gun in particular sucks

but in overall shotgun balance, specter, slate, DB, crown, and romero all have unique strengths and weaknesses

[vital fractal]

The slate outdoes all the medium barrel shotguns in general handling, damage, and accessibility-

It is generally regarded as the best shotgun in game, and I think it’s weird it can hold such a strong position comparatively to all the other shotguns weaknesses

[stark fulcrum]

Double barrel still top for me

[stark fulcrum]

New pax buntline: faster velo, better accuracy, a tad more dmg. Way longer reload, slower rof, higher cost ofc.

No reason to knock the dmg. Otherwise why use it over say a scot with hv.

[vital fractal]

Scot should never had gotten HV

[stark fulcrum]

No it shouldn't have

But it did and thats where we're at so the next pax needs to be the bridge to the uppercut. Not as good ofc, but close as a medium ammo bullet will ever be. If any gun with actual historical backing should be that, its pax buntline. (Colt in real life)

[vital fractal]

Well it’s there already

The new variant can do something new

[stark fulcrum]

Exactly

[vital fractal]

Which is be a one slot focused on headshots and range with actual damage to back it up

[stark fulcrum]

Buntline covers it

[vital fractal]

Hence pax Deadeye buntline or buntline normal

[stark fulcrum]

I really think its coming grog

Like soonish

People have wanted this gun for a long time

Id even go so far to say the next event or the one after.

[vital fractal]

It’s not

Crytek hates pax and loves variant bloat

I expect another mosin/uppercut/chain skin + an elevation in overall average fire rate + a 1500bb skin hunter + 1000bb skin bat

[stark fulcrum]

Comon man, let's be glass half full lol

They've given us the drilling which people asked for for awhile.

Hunt is still the top fps for me and out of all the companies I've dealt with, crytek is one of the least predatory ones. They wanna sell skins and keep the game going im all for that. Ill buy one on occasion to support them.

[late quartz]

crytek is one of the least predatory ones
Lul

[blissful jackal]

true

[stark fulcrum]

@late quartz you must've not played many games where they really were lol

I mean if you think selling in game skins(costumes) to keep the development up is predatory lol

[late quartz]

I have no issue with "selling skins"

If they continued to only pump out DLC skins I would've never had an issue with cryteks monetization

Its literally all the other things they've started doing since As the Crow Flies

Some games are more predatory, for sure, but as far as the FPS industry goes right now Crytek is by no means on the good end of the spectrum.

Locking new gameplay content behind BP grinding, P2W skins going unaddressed for years, overly grindy events that exploit FOMO and sunk cost, a battle pass that doesn't return its value in premium currency.

Let alone if you just look at the BB price of most skins in the legendary store, the cost per skin is quite bad. DLC prices are far better and I have zero issue with the DLCs

Most FPS games aren't like sports games or gatcha games.

The only real thing hunt does better than average is no loot boxes, but in return the events/BP is notably more exploitative than average.

[stark fulcrum]

Firstly let's address the fact that there is no angel devs just making games out of the kindness of thier hearts while they shiver in a box after work begging for change lol.

Fomo is a trap for idiots and highly subjective. Skin prices are high, but again its skins. Dont want em don't buy em. Aside from cain and headsman needing further adjustments theres no game breaking skins. That exaggerated greatly. Make 50 skins surely a few will be considered better than the rest right?

As far as grindy events, I mean I enjoy the ride to get the free skins. And were you not gonna be playing otherwise? Battle pass is to get extra stuff(skins etc)not repay your entire investment lol. Why would you pay for something then get all your money back?

I'm sure people will flame this, but the sense of entitlement has to chill. People gotta understand how the real world works and how companies continue to function and develop the things we enjoy (or not).

[hot harbor]

still pretty fucked up someone with 50 hours is being matched up against nolifes like this

2 star

against theses

[queen jungle]

tbf rank doesnt equal skill, i’ve met plenty max levels who aren’t very good to say the least

[hot harbor]

i stand by the fact that i shouldnt be matched up against someone whos literally max rank

[queen jungle]

unfortunately that’s just the state of matchmaking especially with a smaller player base compared to much larger pop games

you’d barely find opponents if you were only matched against other new players

[late quartz]

What fraction of your matches do you lose to people who you feel you shouldn't be playing against @hot harbor

[hot harbor]

although 90% of the time its me being genuninally outplayed and out skilled. it allways tends to be P3+. but when in trios with my friends, P7 crews. i can start making a spreadsheet out of all my deaths to see the average P player i die to ig

there will be matches where i really pop off, like 5 kills as a solo and double token extract

but the defeats that feel the worst is when my head is typically clicked on from 60+ meters away or wall banged by people i had no clue existed. what makes them even more memorably bitter is seeing the glearing high P rank.

is it a skill issue? yes

would be nice to go against same skilled players is all. but with small match making queues

that seems impossible

[late quartz]

One of the quirks about how hunt does its skill brackets, at least in my region, is there's a huge gap in skill between 4-5 star. The difference between players in 4 and 5 star is huge, and there's basically no transition or middle ground as far as matchmaking goes.

A result of this is that a lot of things will just sort of be thrust upon you all at once.

What's my point with this? There's really no way to learn about wall bangs other than being killed or shot by them. There's no great way to learn about funky angles in compounds other than being killed or shot by them.

Hunt is a very punishing game, and when you die to something like a wallbang it'll generally be a learning experience regardless of your rank or star level

I do empathize tho, if you're just starting out it's a lot to learn all at once

But dying because you lacked some niche knowledge about a particular area or angle kinda never stops happening LOL

[vital fractal]

What free skins, you need BB to get skins via the Battle Pass- of which you need at minimum 1000? BB which is 20 weeks worth of BB, of which means you’ll most likely miss out on an event BP saving for another event BP-

Second the BP isn’t just for skins but also actual gameplay items such as weapons and tools, which certainly are enough to alter gameplay- great example are powercreep items such as the cyclone, custom ammos, etc-

People do not deny companies need to profit, at the end of the day it’s a business and we understand this- but there’s a difference from a game clearly having a soul and effort placed into it for enjoyment of the player AND some profit vs a game that is clearly aimed at ONLY providing a profit and making decisions/changes for that express purpose

[late quartz]

Either way, I guess my question would be what's an acceptable portion of matches where you encounter a player with a much greater level of experience, assuming the MMR/star rating isn't some insane jump like 5 star rated team vs a 2 star rated team.

How often can it happen without feeling like it disrupts your whole experience?

[queen jungle]

My biggest problem with skins is the new bb ones, the way how some skins are like 900bb is insane, buy a dlc or buy a pack of bloodbonds for a single skin

[late quartz]

there is no angel devs just making games out of the kindness of thier hearts while they shiver in a box after work begging for change lol.
Extremely clever observation. Luckily, I haven't noticed anybody asking that the game have no monitization. In fact, if you recall correctly, this game actually costs money to play! Funny how when we buy the game we're actually supporting the developers.
Can there be monetization in the game? Absolutely! It would be nice, however, if that monetization be unintrusive and reasonable, not just in terms of price but in terms of time investments and ethical practices.

Fomo is a trap for idiots and highly subjective.
This is just objectively false. This has been extensively studdied. There's a reason its used, and it's not because it's a "trap for idiots", it's because it's a highly effective practice. I'm sure it feels very cool above it all to claim that it's only going to affect people who you think are stupid, but science and the entire field of marketing seems to disagree with you.
If you can find me anything in the way of research or science that backs up that "only idiots are affected by FOMO" I'd be shocked beyond belief.

Skin prices are high, but again its skins. Dont want em don't buy em.
What this suggests to me is that you feel there is no way whatsoever to make the sale of skins exploitative. If that's your position I think you are completely unreachable. Literally not worth engaging with on the most basic level, because if you can't agree that selling skins can even be done poorly, then there's no value in discussing the specific practices.

And were you not gonna be playing otherwise?
Would I be playing Hunt Showdown every week? No probably not. The event's are designed to punish players for taking breaks during the events. The raw net number of hours I would play Hunt of my own accord may not change (in fact it has gone down since the events started being this way due to burnout), but the way those hours are distributed across a period of time looks completely different when put onto a rotating chore schedule. Turning playing a game into a weekly obligation is gonna feel a lot different than being allowed to play as your own real life schedule will allow.

Battle pass is to get extra stuff(skins etc)not repay your entire investment lol. Why would you pay for something then get all your money back?
It's considered standard for FPS battle passes to give you back all the currency you paid in. Sometimes even more. Games like Fortnite and Apex, both of whom are run by companies that are generally considered pretty evil, return enough to let you buy the next pass if you finish.

That's industry standard baby, and Crytek isn't doing it. That makes them worse than standard LOL

If EA, universally considered one of the most greedy anti-consumer companies out there, has a less exploitative battle pass than yours I think you're probably doing something fucking wrong LUL

Their battle pass gets easier and faster the later into the season you wait since challenges never expire and will begin to overlap as you collect more. Their pass not only returns its full value, but you actually gain about $3 worth of premium currency (25% of the pass) each time you finish it, and perhaps most notably doesn't lock any gameplay content behind it like Crytek does with its new weapons, tools and consumables.

[little jackal]

I'm not gonna juggle nuances here, but playing every week of an event (how it's meant to be played unfortunately) returns the full price of the BP, right? What the recent BB changes have changed for me is I basically stopped buying anything but BPs. Shame, but whatever. Overall I'm on the side that letting companies exploit your mental state is ultimately a you problem. Subjective in the sense that if one is conscious enough to handle FOMO and all that stuff, they suddenly realize this monetization is indeed not all intrusive.

When it comes to the monetization evil spectrum, I always assumed it's not just AAA FPS, but goes all the way to mobile money sinks, and Hunt is far from being bad then.

Headsman situation is cheesy tho.

[late quartz]

If your standard is to compare Hunt, a $40 game, to freemium mobile gatcha games I think that's sort of a wild way to frame the issue

The mobile industry and its monetization are generally quite different from PC gaming. Not completely isolated, but certainly not similar enough where comparisons between the two like this make very much sense.

The battle pass itself has 600BBs in it, the premium pass costing 1000 to buy

Overall I'm on the side that letting companies exploit your mental state is ultimately a you problem.
I'm of the opinion that if a company is doing something exploitative it's probably something worth criticizing. It's sort of irrelevant whether or not it's a "you problem" when the question is whether or not the practice itself is pro or anti-consumer.

Sure, on an individual level, you may give a friend this sort of advice; "Don't fall for the scam".
On the macro though, this is a systemic problem. A problem which frankly doesn't need to exist in order for video games to exist as a live service. As a consumer you probably shouldn't want games to use psychologically manipulative sales tactics, even if you think the burden falls on the individual to resist them. It can simultaneously be bad to lack self control and to exploit people.

Not even getting into the fact that it's well understood that certain types of people are particularly susceptible to this sort of thing, people with gambling addictions, people with autism or other neurodivergences, people for whom these aren't "self-control issues" but rather legitimate medically diagnosable conditions that lead to compulsive behavior

[stark fulcrum]

Its all subjective. Everyone has thier opinions and I respect that.

[late quartz]

It's not all subjective, there are facts in the world :P

It's totally possible to have a wrong opinion

[stark fulcrum]

I'm trying to be nice but yeah it's subjective lol

Ita also totally big headed to always think yours is right lol

[late quartz]

This applies to me too?

And if I'm wrong I don't just say "It's all subjective ^.^" to weasel out of it

:)

[stark fulcrum]

I dont mean it bad. Ive just played and saw a lot worse

[late quartz]

Sure, there are certainly worse games. There'll always be something worse, and Crytek isn't it

It's also not great either, they've been trying for like 2 years to zero in on monetization that works without being too overbearing, and so far they've not figured it out yet

[stark fulcrum]

Far as quality game I've never played a better fps. The design, atmosphere and balls to release a horror western lol

I love the idea and the fact someone did it

Is nuts to me

[late quartz]

Sure, Hunt is a good game. Love it, that's why I care about whether or not it does shitty things to keep its fingers in its players wallets

We should want to criticize things we love

It's a fairly common complaint to hear people expressing that they're burned out from events or feel like they're playing out of obligation. That's not a sustainable way to keep the game going into the future

[stark fulcrum]

If it gets that bad ill hold a sign with you, but they gotta justify continuing development. Justify with continuing profit. We all know that is my thing

I'm not saying its right to change that for a skin

But we know why

[late quartz]

The idea that it's either "make money" or "make no money and die" is silly

Nobody has a problem with Crytek making money

"Make money" is a pretty open ended goal and there are a lot of ways to get there

[stark fulcrum]

For a company to keep up development, not keep it as is running a skeleton crew, it has to show a profit

[little jackal]

I'm not the "save humanity" kind of guy I guess. What I meant is these schemes affect people differently: some fall for it, some don't care. Therefore, subjective. It does not get in the way of me playing the game. I think I've played games where that was the case. Those were bad for me, Hunt is fine for me.

[stark fulcrum]

Not just enough to keep the lights on

Thtas just how companies work lol

[late quartz]

What the recent BB changes have changed for me is I basically stopped buying anything but BPs.
This is a perfect example of how "make money" is fairly open ended. I feel exactly the same way here. I myself stopped buying DLC all together as well, when I used to be more than happy to do it.

[stark fulcrum]

Want hunt to have new stuff? Then it has to show growth, want it just kept running? Then sure low price skins and kindness works

I gotta sleep though. Good convo, no hard feelings. Different opinions always welcome

I bought a real pax btw fellas just shot it today

Well colt clone 1873 model

357 caliber

[late quartz]

What I meant is these schemes affect people differently: some fall for it, some don't care. Therefore, subjective.
This just isn't how "subjectivity" works. This is about groups of people, trends. Trends are trackable, measurable, objective. If you just zoom in to any random dude sure you might say it's all on the individual level, but none of this works on the scale of one person.

We have cold hard objective scientific data about marketing and business. If it were all "subjective" nobody would work in sales or advertiseing. This is an outrageously narrow way to view the issue.

[stark fulcrum]

I'll end the night with this

[late quartz]

Yeah. This just isn't how it works. You do not need to be exploitative to make money. Games have managed to exist without being exploitative.

If they had to release 5 fewer guns per year by not having a battle pass, yeah I'd be fine with that lol. If they had to delay the new map another 6 months I wouldn't have any issue.
Games can exist and grow as a live service without turning towards exploitation. You don't need to keep the lights on the by locking new guns behind the battle pass. That's a choice, not a neccessity.

[little jackal]

Whoever threw in the word "subjective" earlier, for sure did not mean to question the existence of the FOMO phenomenon.

it's the value of stuff being sold that is subjective

[stark fulcrum]

Lol it just keeps going in circles

[late quartz]

._.

[stark fulcrum]

I guess I dont view exploitive as optional costumes and free events.

[late quartz]

Yeah I know. That's how I characterized your position lol

[stark fulcrum]

@late quartz is that wrong?

[late quartz]

Yes that's insane

[stark fulcrum]

Is it not a trap for idiots

What kinda 10 yr falls for that

Thats on you then lol

Buy this now!

Or miss out!

[late quartz]

Science and the field of marketing disagree with you man

[stark fulcrum]

Every ad ever made lol

Like who tf gives in to that

[late quartz]

Yeah. Guess what buddy, ads work. On everybody.

In fact, it's well understood and proven that ads work most effectively on people who think they're immune to their influence LOL

[stark fulcrum]

Lol

You do you man, hate the big mean exploiting company

Selling thier devil skins

[late quartz]

You realize the entire internet runs on ads. Literally every free website you go to exists because they sell advertisement space.

Why would companies spend trillions of dollars on this shit if it didn't work lol

[stark fulcrum]

I didn't say it didn't work I said what IDIOT still falls for that stuff

Its stupid to be like oh its basic marketing 101, so evil

People that call this kinda stuff exploitive have no real world experience and how stuff actually runs

Its not kindness and rainbows

Anyway I gotta sleep

Its 4am

Good talk

[late quartz]

???????? my child it's literally the opposite of kindness and rainbows. That's the point lol.
The goal of running a business is to separate customers from their money with as little in return as possible.

That's literally why it matters to call it out

[stark fulcrum]

Its a free live service game( after box price)...with available free premium currency and totally free dlc. Edited for clarity:)

[late quartz]

Companies want as much money for as little service as possible.
Consumers want as much service for as little money as possible.

Neither side can get exactly what they want so it has to be a compromise.

It's not a free game?????????

[stark fulcrum]

Entitlement asks for more lol

Gn

[solid inlet]

I doubt old_zadok ever played deep rock galactic

[stark fulcrum]

Box price

[late quartz]

It's not a free game. You are wrong or lying.

[stark fulcrum]

Lol

Stop trying to gotcha me

With weak shit

[late quartz]

You gotcha'd yourself goofball

don't say blatantly false things

[stark fulcrum]

You so mad people not going with your evil company bs

😆

[late quartz]

True

But also, it's fun :)

[solid inlet]

Since when 40$ game is considered free to play?

[late quartz]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[stark fulcrum]

I edited it for clarity

You made his night lol

[late quartz]

Go to bed dawg

[stark fulcrum]

Evillllll

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-mike-myers-austin-powers-pinkie-gif-17640092

[late quartz]

Free live service game (ᵃᶠᵗᵉʳ ᵇᵒˣ ᵖʳᶦᶜᵉ)™

[stark fulcrum]

You remind me of those people gluing thier hands to roadways protesting oil. As if the average person has a choice lol

Keep fighting for utopia lol

[late quartz]

Utopia = a world where games don't use FOMO I guess?

[solid inlet]

@stark fulcrum go play deep rock galactic, look into their monetization, then come back

[late quartz]

Apparently any time prior to like 2008 was literally utopia

Ehhh 2010

[stark fulcrum]

I guess people weren't dumb af then lol

Buy now or miss out!

I got brown rocks!

Almost all gone

[little jackal]

those don't need to run servers, for one

[stark fulcrum]

Its not that af. Theres no realistic adult argument for what they're saying. They expect minimum investment and maximum output.

Again, the entitlement is beyond me.

[late quartz]

Literally nobody is asking for that

You're just not able to engage with the discussion on any level ._.

[solid inlet]

^this

[stark fulcrum]

You've written novels tonight on it

And every night

[late quartz]

Yes. And you lack the reading comprehension to understand them.

Nobody is asking for free shit

Nobody is asking for no monetization

Nobody thinks crytek should run the game at a loss

[stark fulcrum]

Dude you misquoted me like 4 times tonight so let's not debate reading comprehension

[late quartz]

They should just find a way to make money that isn't psychologically exploitative lul

[late quartz]

Prove it

Show me misquoting you

I'm a copy paste fiend

[solid inlet]

You called a 40$ game free to play

[late quartz]

Unless I have little goblins in my computer that edit my clipboard idk

[stark fulcrum]

I clarified what I meant better.

@solid inlet i got it bud

[late quartz]

Mincing words to turn a $40 game into a "free game with extra steps" is dishonest

Like I'm not misquoting you

You're just lying LUL

Free game means no $40 price tag by anybody's definition

"You get to play on the servers in perpetuity" =/= free

[solid inlet]

There are better monetization practices and we should thrive towards them, not towards the worst ones

[stark fulcrum]

You're cringe af lol

[late quartz]

I am super duper cringe

[stark fulcrum]

Dishonest lol. I didn't have 2 min to clarify what I meant before you jumped on that 1 thing. How's it dishonest if ita on the steam page you dummy

You are, you're on here everyday arguing dumb shit

[late quartz]

I didn't have 2 min to clarify what I meant
You have infinite time to type your messages before you send them.

How's it dishonest if ita on the steam page you dummy
It's not on the steam page ._.

[stark fulcrum]

Its 4am and I woke up to pee and saw your comment

You've been up as per usual 12 hrs posting dog shit

[late quartz]

That's fine. If you say "yeah sorry I was wrong oops I forgor it was a paid game"

I'd never bring it up again

[stark fulcrum]

Oooo you got me, great catch lmao

Such a big reveal

I accidentally said it was free

Ouch

Got me

[late quartz]

Yeah no big deal we all make mistakes :)

Sometimes we say things that aren't true. All that matters is owning up to it :)

I forgive you

[stark fulcrum]

The only thing you've clung your frail old lady teeth in tonight

Was that bs lol

[late quartz]

You seem to be a lot more clung onto it than me

[stark fulcrum]

You've typed it out 5 times

I tried to end all this earlier

[late quartz]

It's alright. I forgive you. You are free to go to bed :P

[stark fulcrum]

With mutual respect towards opinions

But your fragile ego couldn't accept peoples opinions

[late quartz]

Opinions are like buttholes. Everybody's got one. Don't think they're all equally pretty though.

I do not respect all opinions, no.

[stark fulcrum]

You had to send out volume 2 of how to lick windows and look cool doing it

Sound slike your father was an ass tbh lol

[late quartz]

True

[stark fulcrum]

Old dad quote from a raging ego

[late quartz]

Yes

[stark fulcrum]

Prob had a thick mustache

The kind of man id trust in war

[brisk timber]

[winter plover]

@bitter path
That's a bad idea. What if I don't care about money and just extract without a bounty token because I am only there to fight? Will be 3* in no time and destroying people there.

[jagged wagon]

@bitter path Sadly, the sniping bushwookies don’t care about mmr, they care about kda. The mmr system needs to be looked at for sure, mostly for its volatility in how fast you can move up and down the ratings, and how frequently the game pairs people of vastly different skill levels of players in the same match. Killing a boss quick and extracting before you even have to fight another team is not a good measure of how well you do vs other players, so why would you be moved up?

[wanton imp]

yeahh getting MMR from the bounty is a bad idea

because it doesn't = skill

think it would better as a multiplier to MMR instead of a flat increase.

[outer wedge]

@plain yarrow sorry if someone tagged you before, but Comms for randoms are on the way, check last developer update video from general manager

[slim pollen]

@rough wyvern #game-ideas message

Are... are you suggesting Crytek rework the Headsman into a Klansman..?

[low inlet]

Was gonna say the same thing

[acoustic portal]

@rough wyvern Whilst i see where you are going with this, i don't think it's a good idea, since it give trolls an excuse to RP in lobbies as racists, and could even result in Crytek being unjustly called racist for putting it in

[vital fractal]

There’s no way that suggestion wasn’t bait

I fail to believe it lmao

[low inlet]

Fr

#game-ideas message reptilian spooky skin when

[low inlet]

#game-ideas message

I don’t think there’s scope glint in the game

Or Atleast I’ve never seen it

Oh wait

Nvm

I get what you mean

[plain yarrow]

@outer wedge i did not hear that but that is awesome to know. thank you

[rotund obsidian]

@brazen gyro #game-ideas message lmfao. can't wait to stand up randomly from an enemy rezzing me just for his teammate to put me right back down with buckshot

[brazen gyro]

I didnt think of that

[thin remnant]

If I want to send multiple ideas of the same category in suggestions-ideas without violating any rules what would i do

Ideas are 1: Marking from the map 2: Playing shooting range while queued for a match 3: Dropping items and ammo from the inventory section

[dusky jolt]

what happend to hunt showdown server ? i keep retrieving missoin bag information .

[blissful jackal]

@gentle willow I think we don't need traps. We already have too many. Traps are annoying.

[unborn dagger]

Traps are fun

[dusty wraith]

Nerf/Remove solo revive. I do not want to hear 'just bring 2 concertina bombs and 2 fire bombs to every raid' I want this to be nerfed. Just last game, we got 14 kills. 10 of those were across TWO solo players. We killed each solo player 5 times each. I'm not mad beacuse we lost. We didn't lose. I am mad because this is anti-fun. We had to sit there and watch their bodies the entire time, and every time another team pushed us we would kill them, turn around, and the solo would be back up.

[dusty wraith]

yeah im ready for it

i dont care if its over/underpowered

its a mistake

and anti fun

[little jackal]

I wonder if anyone from Crytek even understands the essence of the solo necro problem, or they just brush off all the feedback viewing it solely from the power standpoint

[fossil charm]

im teammate of said game, i dont think ive ever seen in 800+ hours a non solo team revive 10 times other than trios and even then its still absurdly rare for them to revive more than like twice each per player

[unreal adder]

It seems like it's only anti fun for you because you are choosing to sit there and watch them and make 100% sure that they died

[dusty wraith]

avg solo mindset: 'wtf why wont they let me revive unsupervised and shoot them in the back!1!1'

[unreal adder]

not a solo

[dusty wraith]

well if i were to follow your advice and leave them be we would get wiped

we are fighting 2 other duos, not watching the solo behind us will never end well for us

[little jackal]

always imagine authors of this kind of comments dying to that one solo seeking revenge at all costs and then going "damn, he outplayed us, what a fun engagement, glad we didn't burn!"

[unreal adder]

Ill burn em

[dusty wraith]

funny thing that

[unreal adder]

but im not taking the time to sit there and make sure they dont stand up

[dusty wraith]

we burned the 2nd solo 3 times but they had blazeborne and we didnt have fire bombs

[unreal adder]

I throw a lantern and then move on im not gonna babysit the body of some random solo

[fossil charm]

i typically enjoy winning my fights

actually let me reword that, i typically enjoy fighting in lobbies consisting of teams of 2, while i am a team of 2, and having full clarification that when i end a team, they are dead for good

[charred ivy]

Give sparks Spitzer

[unreal adder]

real

[fossil charm]

new skin idea: skinsman
its headsman but without the blanket over his body and it will instead just be him in his underwear

[dusty wraith]

buy now limited time only 15.99

[fossil charm]

on sale for 15.49

[low inlet]

We need a hunter with a union suit, bandoliers, holsters, a mask and the back hatch open

[carmine needle]

Redneck's cuzin Cletus

[brisk timber]

So you actually say yourselfe that not solo revive is the problem but blazeborn

And thats a really common opinion right now - but also something that will just be a noissue when event is over (the sooner the better)

[upbeat slate]

Sometimes it's like this....

[humble quest]

Imagine hating something so bad and it having counter play options you choose to not take

[radiant river]

Well he had to bring meds and an antidote to counter poison and dynamite to counter concertina and then toolbox to counter the bad looting and you need concertina bomb to counter spitzer and stalker beetle to counter campers

So there's no space left for fire bombs

[humble quest]

Rip if only it was a team game where you could split some responsibility if you're a catastrophy prepper

[late quartz]

Even if something has counterplay that doesn't mean it makes the game more interesting, engaging, or fun

[brisk timber]

tbf i think having a firebomb in your basekit you bring every game should be standard by now

[vital fractal]

for the event its a concertina bomb for me

[brisk timber]

yea i bring both

Dynamit + Conc + Firebomb + BigRegen

thats my usual goto

[carmine needle]

i swap sticky for dyna but same as this ^

[vital fractal]

i need big vital until i get vigor, and even then ive been using poison bomb + antidote- works well enough

[brisk timber]

Yea i mean dynamite as a metagroup - sticky, boundle, just something that makes boom

[vital fractal]

Solos run antidote a lot i notice but not many teams do

[carmine needle]

gotcha

[vital fractal]

yeah, cant be caught without a frag or something, too good

[carmine needle]

but concertina bomb is always in my pocket with the solo stuff

[vital fractal]

but most of my worry comes from denying revives mid fight, so concertina or poison bomb is great

i find chokes are too prevalent to rely on lamps or firebombs

[brisk timber]

But i think for the past years the Firebomb was forgotten but by now its somewhat back into meta and i think rightfully so
a firebomb belongs in the game and im somewhat glad its more present again

[carmine needle]

truth. We bullied a solo with concertina and bees once (partner was looking for a lanturn as we'd already burned a separate team out)

[vital fractal]

if no one else is around a solo is the easiest to take care of as a team

just watch them

[carmine needle]

eh, we didnt want to leave him and didnt want to wait for 5 years

[vital fractal]

but if its solo v solo and you dont have a lamp or some sort of warning item ur screwed, but thats on you for not being prepared

[carmine needle]

fair. I dont care to solo, i like to run around with my big sharp stick and I need someone to rez me when that goes poorly

[vital fractal]

I do wish you could toss back explosives or chokes

the amount of times ive had a choke land in front of me and all i can do is just look at it is annoying

i know dauntless is a thing but still, should still be an option to risk throwing it back if you dont have dauntless

[humble quest]

@crimson basalt #game-questions message

[fossil charm]

The world if throwing a fire bomb on a solo magically made it so you didn't still have to sit there and watch them:

The solo reviving and walking out of the fire:
The solo for some reason tanking concertina bombs to stand back up and go to the fight later:

[delicate badge]

I had a team place 6 beartraps and concertina bomb on me. Walked out of it just fine. They were long gone to extract but I threw some decoys to let them know I was still alive.

[fossil charm]

I feel sorry for that team man, he must've not taken the correct counterplay measures

:clueless:

[delicate badge]

I will say that although clearly solo is a bit OP atm, with the trade window and 10 second revive time, most games you still get clapped because you trade with the second guy and the third has time to run across the compound, revive both guys, and aim at you.

[fossil charm]

I don't really play trios unless I'm forced to when I want to try the new wild card stuff so basically all my problems with solos I've experienced are from duos

[delicate badge]

I enjoy the trios a bit more. Duos seems to be half solos and although I think you can still totally counter a solo even with all the perks, it's pretty difficult to counter 4 solos all reviving 6 times across the compound.

and that's coming from me playing mostly as a solo

[late quartz]

I don't think anybody likes the trade window. It negatively affects everybody.

It's definitely something that should be changed regardless of how it impacts solos, be it negatively or positively

In the mean time, using it as a factor in solo balance seems odd

[dull mason]

Trade windows are not used as a factor in solo balance, they just happen to exist and happen to more often benefit trios/duos vs. solos.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you're saying, but your wording seems to imply intentionality behind it when there is none.

[late quartz]

The message I was responding to juxtaposes them. "Although solo is a bit OP at the moment, the trade window negatively affects solos".

Contrasting these two elements implies they have some relevance to eachother in regard to the overall balance of solos

I've seen people say numerous times that solo necro is in place to combat large trade windows. I don't really think they're related but people seem to make that connection often

[blissful jackal]

@craggy pike thats kinda already how event traits work

would just remove having to go get them at resup

again

[craggy pike]

Not at all, burn traits are gone once their effect is used. Just because you can buy more with pact points doesn't make them the same as charge traits

This is something that can also exist outside of events. What I mainly had in mind was for Necromancer to be turned into a Charge Trait so there was a more significant cost to the ability

[celest quest]

Back in my days, trading was something really rare to happen. When we trade before it was exictement and joy because it was something very rare to happen. Then Crytek changed that to this. Trade are happening so often and its becoming frustrating.

Solo isnt overpower. Team can RED SKULL REVIVE (infinite time), solo can only rez few times max (3 to 5 depend on health chunk) but mostly they dont because they get burned down or trapped. I dont play solo but i dont see it overpower or underpower.

[unborn dagger]

Solo revive isnt overpowered, it's just really annoying and boring to deal with

[celest quest]

red skull revive its annoying and boring to deal with as well

i play 95% with teamates

the 5% its when i play soul survivor

[dusty wraith]

so true

remove red skull revive too pls thx

[vital fractal]

How often are you guys letting enemies get redskull revived?

If it’s that much of a problem, have you considered pushing for once?

[rotund obsidian]

I just want it to be slower, but admittedly it's such a rare thing for it to matter at all. usually only comes into play for me after burning a body

[dusty wraith]

i was just saying remove red skull because the other guy was saying that somehow makes solo necro balanced, i never interact with it unless my teammate is redskulled and i revive him after the fight, or vice versa

and asking 90% of the hunt community if they have considered pushing for once should be a rhetorical question lmao

all my matches are 50% headsmen in bushes

[celest quest]

@vital fractal its not about HOW OFTEN we letting them get red skull rez, its about the concept. Solo have nothing to rely on when they get a TRADE because crytek decided to make trades 90% happening. Its funny people complain about self rez but red skull its ridiculous

it happen in 80% of my games i have those kinds of player

Red skull revive and solo necro are equal. it ether your nerf both side or dont touch anything

the solo player have risk of trades, facing duos or trios. In a duo or trio if one of your teamates get down with a trade he can get rez, a solo he cant only if he self rez. itys equal

[fossil charm]

i dont think ive seen a red skull res actually happen in probably over 100 hours

[unborn dagger]

I don't really care about redskull revive because of how rare it is and you should be pushing by the time the they're down anyways.

[celest quest]

they been trapping and stuff

i dont play shotgun to push a hallway when they got shotgun

[unborn dagger]

And you can disarm or hop over them.

[celest quest]

be smart

[fossil charm]

also trading is not justification for solo necro, ideally trade window wouldnt exist, not sure why its even still a thing

[celest quest]

u play your laodout

[unborn dagger]

So throw a consumable?

[celest quest]

and?

[unborn dagger]

Push them out.

[celest quest]

thwy can run away form it

[fossil charm]

what is even the point you are trying to make with them running away in relation to red skull revives

[celest quest]

i never say runniogn away

i said they can run and dodge the nade

[fossil charm]

???

we were talking about red skull revive and you started bringing up trapping and running away

[celest quest]

whats the point, they gonan keep camping and red skull there friends ive killed 6 times the same one cuz hes temaates are holding corner

[unborn dagger]

Uh wut?

[celest quest]

i never say runnign away

it happen iun my games and its trash, thats why ive been tanking my mmr to go down cuz those thing dont happen in 3 stars

3 star are more enjoyable than 5 6 stars

[fossil charm]

so your reasoning behind red skull being bad is that their teammate will have a shotgun and traps which you cannot push

am i understanding this correctly?

[late quartz]

There are a ton of situations where getting a kill doesn't mean you should just hold W into the enemy team

[celest quest]

ether tehy have both thign or one of them., i dont play shotgun cuz of trade, i mostly play winfield

[late quartz]

Sometimes you don't rush on a knock, that shouldn't be controversial LOL

[vital fractal]

1. (voided)

2. Frequency is absolutely a factor in determining the actual importance and effects of a concept on gameplay

There’s a difference between theoretics and reality, sure- you can redskull, but in reality it happens very very rarely under normal gameplay conditions-

The conditions that do allow it are due to extremely poor control which usually just means the teams involved end up killing eachother normally- or extreme fringe sets of circumstances

Most times redskull rezzes occur outside of a fight, not during it- which is fine- and even then redskull revives are still rare as it’s not very common for a team to allow a teammate to redskull and still win a fight to rez said teammate, none the less in the same fight

[fossil charm]

wait can solos redskull revive themselves with bounty?

is that actually real?

[vital fractal]

From what I’ve been told

[celest quest]

they cant

[vital fractal]

Well I apologize for spreading that misinformation

[celest quest]

ive seen streamer, they cant self rez

my point still hold, ther nerf both or dont touch it

i dont care what other say. thats my opinion

[vital fractal]

At least you’re honest

[celest quest]

ty 🙂

to deal with a solo humnter, all u need to do is burning or trapping him and problem solve

Like you said,

PUSH when you kill them, welld o the same vs a solo\

and burn him or trap him or put a bear trap

same shit goes both way

[fossil charm]

burning does not magically stop them from reviving though

[celest quest]

WOOOOW

wait for him to self rez

and he will quit after

cuyz he know u holding on him

How genius u need ot be

[unborn dagger]

Yep, you pretty much have to sit there for minutes which isn't something a player should have to do

[fossil charm]

the original issue i mentioned with this is that i shouldnt be required to watch the body to win the game

[unborn dagger]

^

[fossil charm]

firebombs dont just like stop them from reviving, you still need to watch them

[unborn dagger]

It literally wastes time for no good reason

[celest quest]

well u have 45 min game

[fossil charm]

traps you still need to watch too, its not like a concertina trap is gonna do anything considering they stand up once and it makes the trap wires disappear and then they just stand up again

[humble elk]

Just bring 10 firebombs.

Problem solved.

[rotund obsidian]

One firebomb is plenty

[celest quest]

there is lanterns around 🙂

[fossil charm]

the raid timer isnt what he meant i dont believe

[humble elk]

Surely the solo couldn't just revive and run off while you search for one

[fossil charm]

i think he meant that no sane person willingly enjoys standing there watching the body burn for like 3 minutes

[celest quest]

@humble elk thats why u have teamamtes to watch

[rotund obsidian]

Funny enough, blazeborne bodies actually burn out faster than normal bodies with salveskin.

[humble elk]

It's so very cool having to dedicate 5-10 minutes to killing 1 player

that's already dead

[rotund obsidian]

Blazeborne overrides the 25% reduction and leaves it hard locked at 1hp per second

[celest quest]

already dead, red skull should be defenitly dead then

[rotund obsidian]

So it's 125 seconds of fire to watch them fully burn out

[dusty wraith]

the problem with that is that when a lantern goes out the body with blazeborne stops burning

and i do not carry 4 firebombs

[celest quest]

125 seconds its 2 minutes

[dusty wraith]

blazeborne is a huge problem with self necro

[rotund obsidian]

A single lantern plus one firebomb is enough

[fossil charm]

no i do NOT want to watch a dead body, no my teamates do NOT want to watch a dead body, no fire bombs do NOT stop them from reviving in the fire, no concertina traps/bombs do NOT stop them from just spam reviving, yes all events somehow enable solos even more by giving them full restore options constantly

[rotund obsidian]

Or a firebomb plus any amount of traps or concertina.

[dusty wraith]

i do not bring traps or concertina or firebombs to every raid

and i should not need to

[celest quest]

then if u dont wanan make an effort to kill a solo player thats your problem

dont need to complkain about it

[dusty wraith]

if i am FORCED to bring specific consumables or tools, that mechanic shouldnt exist

[celest quest]

thewre is lantern

[humble elk]

Having to guess whether people are solo or duo, so you can concertina their corpse

[fossil charm]

man, the problem is i DID kill them

[humble elk]

5head moves all around.

[rotund obsidian]

"specific" mf thats half the arsenal you dont wanna take

[celest quest]

u dont need to bring specific

[dusty wraith]

do you know how many lanterns it takes to burn out a blazeborne hunter

[celest quest]

RED SKULL must be the same

[dusty wraith]

do you have any fucking idea

[rotund obsidian]

you can't take 4 shots/frags without some weaknesses

[celest quest]

I DID KILL THEM

[rotund obsidian]

yeah, 7

[vital fractal]

You can just wait for the event to end

Blazeborn is the only issue with self necro recently tbh

[fossil charm]

ok so reviving should be removed too right?

since you did kill them

[celest quest]

why they can be rezzed as RED SKULL ?

like i said

[dusty wraith]

maybe i want to, oh IDK PLAY THE GAME AND NOT WAIT FOR THE EVENT TO END???

events are 2 fucking months long

[celest quest]

they nerf both pr dont touch it

[dusty wraith]

i dont think anybody here except you cares about redskull friend

[vital fractal]

Complain all you want right now, sure- but like it’s not a permanent edition and the devs will note it

[celest quest]

idc thats my opinion

[dusty wraith]

just like solo revive wasnt a permanent addition

[celest quest]

some people are happy orther are not

[dusty wraith]

i dont put anything past these devs

[celest quest]

its an OPINION

[humble elk]

One hopes they'll note and limit revives to exactly 2, no matter how many bars of health they have

[dusty wraith]

even just making it so if you are downed for say 60 seconds you cant revive anymore

would help immensely

[fossil charm]

justforfun your complaints with red skull are like 1:1 with normal revives though

like the same problems you have with red skull also happen with normal revives

[dusty wraith]

the biggest problem is when a solo sits there for 15 minutes on the death screen before reviving

[rotund obsidian]

I disagree. Burn bodies or live with the risk of them standing.

[celest quest]

ur complain about solo rez when u have IN GAME TOOL to deal with them

[humble elk]

That, too, would help.

[vital fractal]

I mean sure devs are making bad decisions but there is no way they are keeping blood borne as it specifically goes against salveskin

[vital fractal]

This

[fossil charm]

have you read a single message i have sent at all ever in this whole thing?

[dusty wraith]

the problem is that burning bodies doesnt work

[vital fractal]

It does though

If you ensure it does

[dusty wraith]

because they can either res in the fire (so i need to babysit them) or i need to throw 7 fucking lanterns

[fossil charm]

there was some dude that said he plays solo and stood up in 6 bear traps and a concertina bomb and lived

[vital fractal]

Shoot them as they stand up then

[celest quest]

impossible

[rotund obsidian]

It does. Just use a firebomb. Or scavenge for lanterns, if you're so against bringing a firebomb

[dusty wraith]

which means i need to babysit their body

[vital fractal]

If you are so paranoid about it, pay the price of it

Or

[dusty wraith]

which is not a fun gameplay mechanic

[vital fractal]

Pay the price to walk away

Choose

[dusty wraith]

or walk away and let them kill me

[vital fractal]

No free lunch here

[dusty wraith]

ive never had a more stupid argument in my life

[vital fractal]

I have so, I’m happy to continue

The only issue right now is blazeborne

That makes it ridiculous

[humble elk]

Duo and Trio's having to actually risk something to revive even just once, while solo can just up and fuck off at any point.

[dusty wraith]

blazeborne is part of the problem yes

a big part

[dusty wraith]

yep

[fossil charm]

dont forget the part where they can press a button without making the necro revive noise

[dusty wraith]

there are so many options to fix solo necro, and the devs choose to ignore the problem

[rotund obsidian]

Sorry, but let's bring firebombs back into the game. Lanterns have been too abundant and too good of a replacement for too long, I think lanterns having a weakness is alright. Heavy rain exists too, and a solo can always just stand up after 20 seconds to extinguish and only lose the bar that would've burnt anyway.

[dusty wraith]

just like they ignore all the bugs and other complaints about literally everything

it took them years to ban reshade for gods sake

[rotund obsidian]

Infernal is problematic but honestly, the bodies not burning is one of the least problematic parts imo

[celest quest]

Hark you make a point here

thats funny, cuz its reality lol

[celest quest]

Good one!

[thin remnant]

damn people really want to be able to mark from the map

[dusty wraith]

there are about 10001 qol features id like

and that would be a nice one too

[thin remnant]

fr. I wish you could play in the shooting range while queued

[tiny pivot]

just dropping my feedback discussion in the hunt showdown discord to say that while solo rez sucks and the game design can be questionable one of my biggest issues is the bloodline and how disorganized and weird it is

i am in the band of players that enjoys prestiging and finds prestiging and using weird loadouts to be one of the most fun parts of hunt

[rotund obsidian]

I agree, one of the biggest reasons i haven't prestiged is because of wonky bloodline unlocks. vigor at 79? hell naw.

[wind ruin]

https://youtu.be/MDkfNUjGFmM?si=XNECl_0WItn8hqMI

Solo nerco is not a problem. Blazeborne definitely.

[little jackal]

the difference between with and without blazeborne is what, 1 firebomb? nobody is talking about solo necro being op or not

[late quartz]

AF I have to know what you're typing the suspense is killing me dude

[little jackal]

haha I'm just very slow at typing on mobile

and the countermeasures argument is amusingly tone-deaf. People complain about having to participate in a boring, non-pvp, chore activity, so how exactly does the existence of tools for these chores help? It can only be the opposite, taking the slots otherwise available for actual pvp things

[late quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[golden crown]

why do the carriage ammo boxes only give you 2 bullets right now no matter the gun? that's kinda bad in my opinion

[tawny meadow]

Only long ammo gun and shotgun will receive 2 bullets. Medium and compact will receive more. It's been balanced some patches ago

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/594650/view/3682303734588597017?l=english

[golden crown]

ohhh i see now. thank you!
i think i haven't been paying much attention or haven't been playing with much other than long / shell :,)

[tawny meadow]

[obsidian narwhal]

@gilded axle your post violates several guidelines, hence its removal.
Besides, do notice that
1 - the servers are already a topic that is being addressed
2 - there is already an anti-cheat, and Crytek is taking cheaters very seriously (#hunt-general message)

[storm bramble]

Hey guys, I'm playing in Asian Server. The hackers are so many. Could you please stop them. I have trust in your team!!

[little jackal]

go Crytek!

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-ready-baby-charge-up-revved-up-gif-14820405

[humble elk]

Don't worry, we discord server, emotionally support you.

[dusty wraith]

@wanton imp that would look cool, but the volume of fire coming out of guns in this game would not make a barrel glow. and imo realism is more important than making a barrel glow after shooting 12 bullets