feedback-discussion

[radiant river]

@compact folio there already is penalties for jumping too much and right after you uncrouch aswell

The main reason for all the movement dodging is because you have full movement control in midair

[compact folio]

Yeh, I like the movement control in the air allot, don't get me rong. But the movement dodging while on foot is just to much. Like some people using it from time to time wich is fair and not that bad. but you just have these people who made it their speciality to like abuse the shit out of it, and it is just so bad. It litterly makes me wanna stop playing the game. I feel like it just doesnt belong in this game with this gamestyle

There is nothing wrong with weeving left and right instead of one line. its just that crouch jumping circle turning jerking off

[rotund obsidian]

Crouching or jumping multiple times in quick succession already applies a very hefty movement penalty

[compact folio]

I also think they have completely done it wrong. instead of punishing crouching and jumping they just completely kill you foward momentum speed. Why not just kill the jump/crouch itself.

[rotund obsidian]

Jumps also lose a lot of their height iirc

[north kelp]

How come merch is only available in two countries? Not available to ship anywhere else or anything?

[dusky tapir]

@obsidian narwhal doing some searching after your post, #game-ideas message

be careful as I think the older Auto-5 models don't work like in the vid you posted

Your feedback is mostly accurate otherwise as you don't need to manually cycle the bolt , it should still lock open on last shot AFAIK

[obsidian narwhal]

The auto-5 has been the same gun since 1898 afaik

The only different variants I can find are the Remington Model 11 and the Savage Model 720, which both are the exact same gun but without a mag cutoff

the video i posted is of an auto-5 produced in 1968, which still uses the 1898 design and not the 2013 "FN-Browning A5" successor

if there's been a modification to the gun, it didn't bring a new model number

Hm, interesting. Apparently it's the Remington Model 11 that won't allow for speedloads. You have to drop one from the side, manually close the bolt and then only can you load the 4 other ones.
Nevertheless, it should lock open and it should load all five in one go, not four, cycle, and then one.

[crystal linden]

PLEASE remove RAIN

its so stinky

[vital fractal]

People be like “oh no weather changes the PvP aspect of the game”

It’s the bayou, and PvP shouldn’t be a stale stagnant experience, weather changes it- adds to the game

[shadow pasture]

no way, rain is one of the most gamechanging features on low rank matches

the way it changes the approach of engagements is amazing.

[night sinew]

it also makes random teamates quit on startup 🙂 people shouldnt be forced to play it

[shadow pasture]

but the bayou is always treacherous... why should rain be any different? lol

[vital fractal]

I shouldn’t be forced to play against 6*s either but I’m still here

It affects my pvp experience

[pliant wren]

Rain is good. Fog is bad.

Rain is at least dynamic. Fog only makes any scope useless. Sound is the most common form of enemy detection and fog doesn't do anything for that, so the only thing fog does is punish you for bringing any kind of scope. Now, if it dampened sound, then it might be worth a damn.

@near heart Good idea. You should also be able to throw them if you have tomahawk.

[karmic ivy]

I think I am ok with that 😉 Hunt is meant to be hard.

[vital fractal]

Hunt is hard but fun when fights are balanced,

Hunt is just frustrating when you go against people who will insta headshot you or wallbang the slightest noise, and you have no chance to learn from it

But of course, those who like punching down are ok with it 🗿

[stark fulcrum]

This is what has turned so many people off I've tried to introduce to hunt. Some new account dude running around insta wiping everyone. The learning curve is rough.

[vital fractal]

I mean, the learning curve is huge but not insurmountable

But god damn there’s a difference between “learning curve” and being a normal person with a kd about 1/3-1/2 of the lobby average and consistently being put against players who play like this has been their job since day 1 with the stats to back it up…

One is the joy of exploring a new game

The other is the frustration of having to deal with the top 3% of the game’s population in terms of skill knowing damn well you aren’t there and most likely never will be- it instills hopelessness in a player, and causes apathy towards the game

[trail oasis]

Mmr of bounty hunter and soul survivor should be separeted or even ss mmr need to be removed since its random matchmaking and not mmr related alongside kda being use in the mmr calculation. Would make overall matchmaking way better

[trail oasis]

@urban sluice totally agree. Talkrd about it some day ago. Being forced to do events in order to progress when the task force us to change our playstyle to.a pve one and use undesired guns tool and ammo is very dumb and make the game experience. Mediocre for peoples who just want to play hunt

[urban sluice]

I agree with you haha - I love and want to continue to love hunt. But I feel like I’m doing chores just to progress… who wants to do chores 😞

[trail oasis]

I gave up on this season pass for my part. Last week i worked 72 hour and every single hour free i had i been forced to do chores in order to get my battlepass going and not even been able to play a single game on my pace. That burned me out for a while

[urban sluice]

Yes yes! I’m working graveyard, with a 3 year old who just about wakes up once I get home. And + my wife, I just can’t make these specific required weekly challenges work for myself. I feel like I wasted money towards a battle pass as it forces me even more to play a style I don’t want to play 😦

[trail oasis]

Totally. I would prefer a bp that u can complete in a week and you done instead of this trash endless grind

[urban sluice]

I truly hope something changes for “weekly challenges” + a quick revert to “summons” until a better option comes forth. Glad I’m not the only one, thanks @trail oasis

[trail oasis]

Totally the last bp i purchase unless a rly extraordinary hunter is inside

[urban sluice]

That’s literally the exact same thing I told myself. It has to be a magnificent hunter, otherwise no more battle passes for me either

[hot vigil]

Honestly biggest pain is the pre-match voice chat hell of "I need x/y/Z!", "Can someone bring X?!", "how far are you with Z?!".
And that gets multiplied the more different people you play with.

[trail oasis]

It dt worth buying its too much work for no rewars

[trail oasis]

Yeah but for solo player...

[hot vigil]

Well, you guys just get fucked harder yeah.
Like trios gets to do them faster at the cost of pre-match wasters hahah

Also melee damage can fuck off

[trail oasis]

These challenge are fine for usual gameplay. But battlepass should not be centered around it. It should be like every other battlepass. Genric kill bracket and every action give progression. Right now its designed so ppl who dislike this need to waste at least 15hour of their week doing chores before to be able to start playing

[hot vigil]

Even outside an event it is an issue as it is they only way to obtain 50bb consistently.

Challenges should revert back to when it just gave HD and items.

Good for people who want to get a little extra and not punishing for doing prestige.

[trail oasis]

Agree

[hot vigil]

And while we are at it, make golden cash reg transfer right into your account, rn it is gameplay negative removing a team from the game when looted

[rocky turtle]

You guys are kinda just crying at this point. I casually played for just the daily xp each day and finished the entire event by myself. It's not that hard to do.

I do agree with the golden regs though. Everything looted should be given and not taken away. Crytek shouldn't be encouraging people to leave mid match just for X reward.

[wanton imp]

thats some hard facts

[rocky turtle]

@fluid umbra No I haven't noticed. I have over 4000 hours in this game and still don't have that skin. Maybe a bigger thing to worry about is increasing its fucking drop rate.

@pulsar slate The days of the flash bomb are dead, as they should be.
The reason you haven't seen them as much is because they either lowered drop rate or completely removed them from loot crates and they are a pain to unlock each prestige.

[trail oasis]

if you like the challenges good for you. but some people lauch the game to play hunt showdown and not being a pve slave farming hives with throwing knives and immolator with knuckle. and being forced to do it in order to finish the BP is lame for us. i would rather have a normal battlepass where u progress by playing not by doing weird ass shit that fuckup ur loadout especially while solo.

[wanton imp]

same

very little people actually like the challenges

[rocky turtle]

I never said I like the challenges.

[wanton imp]

some people wanna play their loadouts but this challenges requires you do this

[rocky turtle]

They are simply easy. And in time comparison the entire event is casually done at the halfway point. It's an event, it's meant to be grinded for rewards.

[wanton imp]

and challenges are even more rough for people who prestige

[trail oasis]

challenge are fine for like normal week to give something to do but not if the entire battlepay you pay for it is centered only around it

[rocky turtle]

I have 4k hours and am 100 prestige. You're crying to the wrong person about prestiging making it harder.

Bottom line: it's an event. You grind for rewards. There's nothing wrong with them putting rewards behind challenges.

[trail oasis]

if theres diversity and someone who play a normal amount of hour can cap it without challenge it would be very fine

but with average 60-80 point per game of 30min. you cant possibly do it unless you have totally nolife

[rocky turtle]

Do I think most points should come from in-game altars? Yes, I do. Could they increase those? Yes, they should. Should they remove challenges? No, they shouldn't. You're simply looking at this at the wrong angle.

[trail oasis]

never said they should remove it. i sid they should make diversity and not all centered around it

[wanton imp]

they are already kind of doing that by giving event points from dark tribute

[rocky turtle]

They could also add more points to the last tier in dark tribute to encourage playing daily. Yes, this is a healthy idea.

[trail oasis]

altar are not good thing to improve tbh. killing players / every clues / banishing all the core things should be increased. altars are lame way to get point most of time you rather not touch it to not give ur position or use as a alert for other players.

[rocky turtle]

Here's my issue with this: I'm already done with the entire event just by playing. So, what's the point in adding more points?

[trail oasis]

and i played over 200 hour since the start of the even and are still only lvl 31

cuz theres 2 week i was working a lot and i could not finish the challenges.

thats very lame

[rocky turtle]

You still have an entire month? You're halfway done and also halfway through the event. It checks out.

[trail oasis]

thats not the point at all

i wanna have fun while playing

now i dont cuz all my playtime on busy week is literally a chore to finish the challenge and i dont play normal game to have fun

thats the issue

[obsidian narwhal]

@dusky tapir Coming back to the A5 topic : it looks like you were right. The speed load patent for the browning auto-5 is actually from 1952. The lifter went from one piece to two pieces, but that didn't change the name or model of the gun.
Not actually having the speed load is a shame because it's frankly cool to see; but at the same time it would allow for a greater interaction with the other parts of the gun, especially the manual bolt close button. Would be cool to see it used, and it'd make sense for the slowed down reload animation 🙂

[wanton imp]

i think increasing event points of outside of challenges is the best idea to be honest. because it encourages fights. even it means getting less points from challenges

[obsidian narwhal]

I shall now edit my suggestion in accordance to this find.

[trail oasis]

i think being able to progress the battlepass while having fun it the main focus they should work on

[rocky turtle]

I think to solve your issue the best thing is to add more points to the last tier of the dark tribute.

[trail oasis]

cuz right now this is the last battlepass i purchase unless theres some very very kickass op sneaky skin inside cuz this is not worth my money to enslave myself for that long

[wanton imp]

how about removing event points from challenges (or heavily decreasing it) and instead give event points for every tier of dark tribute

[rocky turtle]

I agree with that

[wanton imp]

people can do what they want

and if they really complete the battle pass faster they can do challenges

[trail oasis]

tbh who care if somone no life finish the battlepass in 1-2 week? the guys worked for it

[wanton imp]

maybe like add a event booster when you complete all the challenges

[rocky turtle]

To be fair, I'd rather them focus less an events and more on removing cheating, getting new servers, and releasing the new map.

[wanton imp]

well

[trail oasis]

kill players*/banishing bosses should be the main source of point imo

[wanton imp]

we know when the maps coming

[trail oasis]

its not the same team that work on every of these project. cant take* team to go work on another team project like that it would cause more problem and probly not even get the work done faster

[rocky turtle]

We have them doing pointless updates like inspecting weapons mid match instead of them stopping people from abusing derendering. Which, can easily be stopped ...

[wanton imp]

people have been requesting weapon inspection for a long time

[trail oasis]

theres probly gonna have more tool to work on with the new engine coming up. that might be the main reason

[rocky turtle]

Yeah? People have requested kill cams to validate cheaters for even longer.

[wanton imp]

don't think thats even possible with the game engine

[rocky turtle]

People have requested a better anti-cheat for even longer.

It's absolutely possible.

Crytek would lose a significant number of their player base because of the number of cheaters. That's why they won't do it.

[wanton imp]

even if it were possible i don't think its easy to implement

[trail oasis]

i never really encountered cheater tbh. only 1 time with a shady double headshot in 1 sec interval to me and my buddy from 150 with a nagant... and 1 time me and my buddy been disconected for 30sec just when we engaged a streamer and unpaused when dead.

[rocky turtle]

It's been 5 years.

[wanton imp]

keep in mind i don't know anything about game programming

[rocky turtle]

I'm high elo, I see them all the time. At least 1 a day.

[trail oasis]

weird i am playing around 4-6stars and barely seen any. maybe because i play very late night

[wanton imp]

depends on region

[trail oasis]

us est and euro mainly

[rocky turtle]

Just today my team member was shot in the head through two walls because someone was derendering.

I play on US east...

Worst part is 90% of the time the people cheating are from China/Europe/Middle East.

We've also asked for them to lock the servers for years ... they haven't done that either xD

[trail oasis]

considering how ez it is to use a vpn its kinda a waste of effort\

[wanton imp]

it would impact the game more negatively then positively

[rocky turtle]

No it's not. You can literally have the game pick the server with the lowest ping and not even allow the players to select a server.

[trail oasis]

what when you play with a friend from euro when you are US

[rocky turtle]

Have it select the server with the lowest average ping.

[little jackal]

bad servers, cheating, ping lock... where's my bingo card

[trail oasis]

so all they need is going on discord to find random group in order to queue on other region and cause even more trouble including their random mates in it.

[rocky turtle]

It's always going to be a topic until crytek actually does something. It's not hard to fix ...

[trail oasis]

hackers are the kind of peoples that will always find a way to work around rules and bypass everything they can

[wanton imp]

i think theres better ways to combat hackers/cheaters then a server lock

a better anti-cheat

[rocky turtle]

Yes, I agree.

I literally just gave them a solution to the derender exploit ...

[trail oasis]

literally someone who need to use hack or exploit in this kind of game have no soul and probly hate his life. cuz the purpose of this game is enjoying the feeling of hunt. its not a fast paced codlike where u can make a rampage hunt is a very lame game to use hack

[rocky turtle]

That should have been done a long time ago.

#game-ideas message

[wanton imp]

or some detection system which puts you on a (suspicious player list.) if you certain things like wallbang multiple walls into a headshot or get multiple headshots at a distance

[trail oasis]

and suspected players get shamed with a plastic duck sound every step they make. XD

[rocky turtle]

Public ban waves.
New accounts getting high elo with high kda being watched for suspicion.

[wanton imp]

or suddenly popping off

[rocky turtle]

Ip bans.

Kill cams.

[trail oasis]

its easy to get high elo and kda. i used to have fun traping peoples at extraction and boss lair. if i focus my playstyle on it and be passive i can reach easy a 20-30 kda

[little jackal]

I imagine the engine upgrade may solve that derendering thing

[rocky turtle]

That's the point of a suspicious player lists. You get reviewed.

They watch your game play.

[trail oasis]

i imagine they also want to make a big showup about their new engine and gonna work hard on making a good impression

[rocky turtle]

My point is, it's been 5 years and they've done none of this ...

[trail oasis]

the first 3 year the game was very very unpopular. hard to find budget for improving it

[rocky turtle]

And they've lost players because they've done nothing.

They don't advertise.

[trail oasis]

yeah some. but overall the game population is in constant grow.

if in 1-2 year with the actual popularity nothing move. i would be worried

[little jackal]

I read in this very channel not long ago that they've lost players because of the rain, so...

[trail oasis]

they did

too much rain was a very bad idea.

[rocky turtle]

Rain is fine lol.

[little jackal]

so many reasons to lose players, how are we still here

[trail oasis]

rain is cool. but it was too much.

they did see it and improved it this even by not forcing peoples into a 50% inferno map. wich is kinda telling they lisent to their playerbase

[rocky turtle]

Cheating should not be tolerated. It's been 5 years and they've done little to nothing about it. They FINALLY banned reshade.

[trail oasis]

fighting cheater is extremely expensive

[rocky turtle]

Now the people that were cheating with it are derendering which also has an easy fix.

[trail oasis]

peoples underestimate that. company cant place all their budget in fighting cheaters.

[rocky turtle]

Fixing the derender exploit is not an expensive fix ...

#game-ideas message

It takes a day, if that ...

A week at most.

[trail oasis]

i am pretty sure they already got a plan on how to fix it. and might wait for the engine upgrade. only way to know is by visiting their office and ask em directly lol.

[rocky turtle]

Why wait? It takes a single day to hotfix this. Why do I have to wait until February?

[trail oasis]

if it was that easy it would already been done

[rocky turtle]

That's what I'm saying ... it actually IS that easy.

[trail oasis]

then find someone who work them for the deep reason why its not done and the answer might make you change your mind. these peoples made a great 1 of a kind game they are not stupid to the point to *make a 1day fix wait for 5year i am pretty sure. but who know

its maybe related to console also

lot of shit thing related to crossplatform stuff

loading time might be abysmal things like dat so they dont wanna make peoples forced to load everything.

[rocky turtle]

I'm pretty sure this exploit is pc only.

It has to do with HHDs and running a program in the background.

Consoles can't really so this.

[trail oasis]

possibly.

the only one who can really tell is the one who work on it.

the main source of all the problem is all these shitters who need to hack and use exploits in order to not feel awefully horrible at videogame. there should be legal action globally against cheaters that ruin the videogame industry

if you fix something they find something else. its a endless cat and mouse game

[wanton imp]

legal action against cheaters is a extreme solution it would work though

[rocky turtle]

Nah, fuck em. Send em to prison.

[wanton imp]

and expensive

i think

[trail oasis]

u can get legal action for throwing a can on the street why not when you ruin peoples work.

[rocky turtle]

They can work the debt off in jail.

[trail oasis]

i would be totally willing to accept a world where hachers can go to jail.

[hot vigil]

@misty walrus when a boss banish it takes 3 min to do so, that is plenty of time to run across the entire map.
It is literally impossible for a bounty team to extract without a fight if people actually knew how to intercept them :)

[obsidian narwhal]

it is very much possible when you factor in multiple teams all trying to achieve the same thing and inevitably engaging upon eachother, which creates openings

usually, as the defending team, if I know there's two teams around my compound, i'll shoot at one and the instant they shoot back it's over for the two teams

because hunt players are drawn to shots like flies to poop

[hot vigil]

Sure, but again, that is just those teams not prioritizing objective.
You don't have to open fire on every Hunter that pops up in the distance.

[obsidian narwhal]

and they'll literally ignore their original objective if you provide them something else to do

i know I do that all the time

😄

[hot vigil]

Yeah, just pointing up that the "bounty team always run" is more an issue that people usually don't play around bounty than it is an issue

[misty walrus]

You're talking nonsense, there are 3 exits, each in a different direction, you can't watch the bounty team down to the second. They can turn around and run in the opposite direction at any time, what then? You won't catch them. I have over 3000 hours, I've seen a lot, I've gone through a lot of changes before the release of version 1.0. When I see someone trying to talk nonsense to me, I feel like ignoring that person 🙂

[hot vigil]

Okay, then you have spent 3k hours not understanding a core mechanic of the game 🤷‍♂️
In most cases you can position yourself in a way where no matter which extraction they run to, you can intercept them.

Unless you wander into another team fighting or have REALLY bad luck with water + waterdevils, then the enemy team cannot just run away and extract for free.
Especially not with the 30 second extraction timer.

[misty walrus]

Well, when playing solo I can position myself in 3 places at the same time, almost like God. You are so smart that I'm ending this discussion, find the arguments and logic and maybe you can start understanding the game, because it's obvious that you don't know the basics 😉

[hot vigil]

Extractions are not always positioned in 3 different directions.
Some of them will have the same general direction and some will be placed further away.
If you use a little trigonometry and anticipation of movement you can quite often calculate where the bounty is gonna run and where you can place yourself to cover as many routes as possible.

[misty walrus]

They increased the escape time from 15 seconds to 30 because the problem was huge. This is still not enough. As you can see, the creators themselves see this as a problem, so stop trying 🙂

[hot vigil]

They changed it to 30 and didn't change it further so I guess only you are having issues now? 🤷‍♂️

[misty walrus]

I think you still don't have any arguments, watch the streams and you'll see how big a problem it is

So far you only write blah blah blah, I'm right

[light abyss]

then u should be able to at least kill 1 of them to stop run with ur 3000hours instead of just talking and complaining that u cant do everything in any circumstance as a solo
i never had any issues with people running bc positioning and stamina are a thing, ofc its harder as a solo but its nowhere near as a problem as u say it is

if u dont position too far away from the compound to begin with u can easily catch up the 30s they take to extract and at least kill one of them

[hot vigil]

Sorry, you must be a hard life living with a severe case of fact resistance.
Best of luck, maybe you'll learn it when you hit 6k 👊😔
Also just so you know, when there are nearby hunters, the clue glows red, feel like you would struggle making that connection :)

[misty walrus]

Your only argument is "I'm right and you're wrong." Now you insult me to achieve what? Grow up, kid, before you write something 🙂

[light abyss]

ur only argument is "i have 3000 hours and i cant do it, so its impossible and a major issue"

lol

[hot vigil]

I gave you plenty of things you can do to prevent it.

But it is okay, might be a little too complicated for your level :)

[misty walrus]

Read everything, the people who are most against it are cowards who just run away from the bounty. They say NO the loudest

[light abyss]

ur points so far in this chat:
message 1: there are 3 exits, they can run to a different extract and dont have to stay with 1 and i have more than 3000h so i know more than u
message 2: i cant be everywhere at the same time as a solo, with first ad hominem
message 3: yea because 15s wasnt enough, 30s surely isnt either, its too few, big issue
message 4: counters ad hominem with ad hominem
message 5: more ad hominem to counter ad hominem, yet again

in 99% of the games u can position in a place where u at least block of 2, most of the time even 3 extracts
even in this 1% of the games when u cant position well enough to cover most of them, u can still just be close enough to the compound that they cant even get a 30s head lead on u if they start run, at least not if u pay attention to the map
u shouldnt expect to always be able to block them from running but 30s is far enough to at least catch up while they extract giving u a chance to at least down one, which blocks their extract
if they are infront of u, u can usually take shorter routes than them by cutting them off if they arent decisive enough to coordinate where they want to go and which is an actual smart way to get there

i read everything but u just didnt bring up a single actual valid point, idk man

[dim heron]

I miss the lower extract time tbh

[light abyss]

im fine with what its at rn
if they would lower it again, more people would try to run and get killed trying tho
so i would take it

[vital fractal]

I want it, honestly-

[brisk timber]

To add further to the topic:
Maybe its totaly OKAY that you cant completely block off a whole map for another team?

Even more so as a solo - which comes with its own advantages and disadvantages - and map control certainly is a solos weakest point

[light abyss]

true
that would only lead to more camp standofs

[brisk timber]

@misty hornet His complete face is basically a bright white target

headsman is where the problems arise

[crystal plume]

Yeah reaper is way easier to spot, and honestly cain was never as hard to see as headsman has been

[light abyss]

nerf headsman

pls

[misty hornet]

I meant headsmen, sorry I always confuse them by name

[fiery leaf]

I dont pay for battlepass and skins just to lose aganst desinc.

[late quartz]

@misty walrus #feedback message

Couple things to consider

Firstly, Hunt isn't a serious competitive game. This isn't to say balance doesn't matter, but it's sort of baked in that RNG is going to affect how a match plays. Sometimes people will spawn near a boss lair with very lucky extracts, sometimes you're gonna be across the map from then and they'll banish almost immediately putting you on the back foot the whole match.
What we should take away from this is that sometimes you wont really have any good options, but that's the nature of the game.
These situations are a minority however, and in the vast majority of matches there wont be some major systemic barrier in your way that'll prevent you from contesting a bounty before they can get an unbridgeable lead towards extract.

If this is something that really affects you, there are playstyles that can help reduce your chances of getting left in the dust. Going to the center of the map ASAP means you'll almost always be able to reach boss lair before banish is finished. This isn't a perfect playstyle and makes a lot of its own sacrifices, but it's still an option you have to weigh against others.

I don't disagree with the core idea that players running away can make a match boring for the rest of the lobby, Hunt is PvP game first and foremost and the objective exists to spark interesting dynamic PvP interactions.
The problem with your suggestion is that fights at extract are generally some of the lowest quality fights in the game.
Extracts are meant to be vulnerable, hard to defend, they generally lack cover and often take place around water. The extract blocking mechanic forces players on the offensive to take up weak or otherwise nonsensical positions to prevent the other team from escaping. None of this is conducive towards fun or dynamic fights.

Longer extract time is probably the worst way to make changes to this dynamic, you'd be much better off making it more possible to chase down a bounty carrier, since chases are more dynamic and engaging encounters where teams have more options, cover more interesting parts of the map, and don't force either team into making last ditch suicide dives.

[iron trench]

@ashen silo Bulwark, my friend.. 50% less damage from explosives costing only 2 points.. works on red barrels, explosive ammo, dynamites and also Flash bombs..

[ashen silo]

Ik ik . U still take bleeding damage though . Plus those weapons are just ridiculous in terms of being realistic.
As i mentioned , its like playing a pve game , with aoe weapons, you dont even need to aim for the foe’s body which is the whole point of this game imo

[unborn dagger]

That's my issue, if xbow was nerfed in aoe damage along with bulwark getting nerfed to 25% I think I'd be fine with it

[ashen silo]

I see people with very very bad gameplays and no strategy wield xbow and bow explosive and win becuz firstly they use the fast reload perk for xbow and secondly they spam bow frag to disrupt people.

Hate that . Reminds me of games like destiny 2 pvp lol

[unborn dagger]

That's the funny thing, when you see someone using the xbow you'll see them trying to reload their xbow instead of pulling out their sidearm.

Even if they are 5 feet in front of someone. They're desperate to get that aoe shot in

Also yeah bow frag is super annoying

[ashen silo]

You know why right ? Because they are 100% sure that aoe hits but their aim ? Certainly not

[unborn dagger]

Exactly

[ashen silo]

Especially with double bows . They just spam you until u either run outta health kit or bleed out .

Of course not always you encounter an intelligent xbow bow explosive wielder xd

[vital fractal]

Or just… drop a choke bomb

Most times, a single choke bomb is enough to stop a hail of Frag bows or explo xbow volley since it’s usually being fired from a singular position allowing you to stand in or near the choke and shoot at an enemy that now forced to use their side arm or swap off the explosive ammo

[unborn dagger]

If an xbow shot or a bow frag were to shoot through the choke(Not make the shot land in the AOE) would that also disable it?

[vital fractal]

Yes

If it touches choke

Its disabled

(Waxed Frag bombs on the bomb lance go off in choke or water still)

[unborn dagger]

Got it, I didn't know about that. I thought bow frags and xbows would still go off because of it working as an impact explosive

[vital fractal]

You can literally use the cloud as a shield

Or a choke beetle if they keep peeking from a particularly hard to reach spot

[unborn dagger]

Interesting, I'll have to try that out in the shooting range, appreciate it!

[vital fractal]

Try it out, just don’t stand next to barrels with it

Great on doorways or areas with cover, just don’t let the coughing mess up your aim and remember they can rotate too, but if you have bulwark and bloodless- it basically renders the Xbow moot

Frag bow goes past bulwark but bloodless should help and the choke should force them to aim way outside of where you are

[sleek marlin]

I encountered a team of players in a game match who quickly killed us in the first 4 seconds. Can I report it here?

[vital fractal]

Unfortunately, unless you have video proof and submit it to the official Crytek hunt website- it seems to be general consensus nothing will be done

This includes names, and other identifying information

If someone else has words otherwise, speak your part

[stark fulcrum]

Nah that about sums it up

[analog willow]

Spawn fights are a rare, but fun part of the game😋 Always gotta check around you when you spawn

[full jewel]

@prisma sundial totally agreed, they should make said holsters be the actual holsters for hunters, allthough idk how difficult that would be

[trail oasis]

@pine patrol. An elternative is buying several copy of ur hunter. Since it save the page right after you buy it just get like 20 of em so you fine for a while.

[sleek marlin]

but we have 300+m far😫

[trail oasis]

Idk how peoples can have fun cheating on hunt showdown. It just remove all the fun and become slow paced waste of time

[ashen silo]

Epidemic shyt

[twilit hound]

These reconnection problems are getting in my nerves

[novel pecan]

@cursive ginkgo
#game-ideas message

You can use conertina trip mines

and if u dont trust it use 2...

[cursive ginkgo]

oh yes but i noticed myself that if i have the right traits "res" and "bloodless" you can actually even survive several concertina as your body makes a small place where you can stand up in the midst of the barbed wire allowing you to stop the bleeding at low hp but still survive

[cursive ginkgo]

I dont mean for this to be a nerf to the necromancer trait... being a necromancy obsessed person myself XD, but i feel like an instant burn like the stake when people are already at the point that they are standing on your body will be fair, and as a solo in this situation i should accept my loss XD

[jade gale]

I like the idea of stopping Necro from afar, but there is existing methods already, but I feel like stakes are crazy... removing all health chunks makes no sense

and like the whole point of a downed body is to sort of force the team to make a play to save their teammates heathbars, and you cant really do that

like that's why burning downed players is a thing

It's just really annoying RN cuz of infernal and the other restoration effects

[cursive ginkgo]

oh yes that makes sense when your fighting team vs team, my issue is when playing solo and having clearly lost a fight to the point where they are now able to loot you with no consequences, for the ones who won to find fire and wait the whole duration you burn out, or for the solo to just be outfarmed if he tries to get up, that part of the necromancer experience just feels like it was not meant for the game

[jade gale]

Yeah, I usually just back to menu, when I know they are gonna camp me

It's just lowering KD and MMR at that point

[cursive ginkgo]

exactly thats where i wanted to head with the stake cause some people do abuse this to lower mmr and be mean to new players

[jade gale]

I think they should make it so subsequent deaths after the first one should not count toward mmr drop and only toward KD

To like prevent people spam revive in an impossible scenario

I mean some people will still do it

[cursive ginkgo]

Agreed ^^, however the second part of the issue is the time it takes to burn out someone since there is no longer and audible cue for when solos leave, is that you end up waiting so long that you loose out on other fights just to be sure that the man you shot 3 times doesnt shoot you in the back as you leave his corpse behind

[jade gale]

but you can also empty their weapons or... I am pretty sure there is a way to weapon swap them so they have no weapons when they stand up

[cursive ginkgo]

again very time consuming, i am glad i finally get to discuss this with someone ^^

[jade gale]

The weapon swap one is pretty fast if you know how to do it

I'll see if I can find it

[cursive ginkgo]

uhh im all ears XD

[jade gale]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2994682657&searchtext=disconnect

There are other ways to do this

But that is the easiest way

[jade gale]

^Abovwe

[vital fractal]

Scraptity?

[jade gale]

this + pre existing methods / burning

[cursive ginkgo]

still does leave weapons right next to them thou XD

[jade gale]

You can usually leave a solo burning and weapon swapped, they generally leave me alone when I beat them with my fiends in this way

[cursive ginkgo]

I dont know still feels like if you dont burn them out they will come back for you, I have done it before and ive been killed before by people doing the same, however most times i still feel like camping is what ends up occuring instead, and then id rather just be instakilled by someone that close instead of trying my luck or wasting their or my own time waiting for the burn

[cursive ginkgo]

oh but i also included that if you do have teamates they can remove the stake for you with an action rather than losing all your health chunks to it, its mainly meant to counter solos and make revives slightly harder with necromancer

[cursive ginkgo]

but i suppose most people seem against this idea so i guess ill have to put it down... guess its campfire hunt for me XD maybe my next suggestion will be s'mores hehe ^^

[jade gale]

There are lots of existing obstacles to prevent reviving, but I don't it should be impossible, I suppose that's why camping exists but , it's easier just to put up barriers and kill them again later

[brisk timber]

The idea floated around in some other forms aswell
Like Coins put ontop the eyes for the farrymen.
I think the burning bars thing is just too much overall - hard to come back from that

[hazy quartz]

there are enough moments where a solo can selfrezz even with people literally standing on top, like when another team shows up, or during reload/heal/trapping/looting animations
burning is good enough of a solution. as it is basically the same but with a timer.

insta finishing the solo would take away these possible outcomes

[stark fulcrum]

@chilly wren how you gonna ban someone for derender when hunts settings do it? 🤣

[vital fractal]

@willow hedge great point I agree

[faint gulch]

Is there an option to introduce a killcam at all? The replay does not have to be displayed immediately, but there should be an option to view it after everyone in the team dies (or immediately if you are playing solo). I have no idea if anyone play fair, how should I know and who should I report?!

[chilly wren]

This has been refuted a thousand times and is just wrong and not true at all.

I even dare to go so far to say that they don't even have any laws for video games other than age restriction for certain stuff (gore etc.), or anti-piracy laws

[stark fulcrum]

Ok well my point still stands. You can't ban people for something found in settings lmao.

[chilly wren]

ofc you can because its not intended, and therefore a bug that gives you an advantage - an exploit. Abusing Exploit is bannable.

[unborn dagger]

@fair rover It... already works that way(And it does not kill the player if they're reviving with 50 health left) or are you saying it should burn off 50 health?

[fair rover]

Yea i see now i typed that wrong basicly i mean if i was to revive my redskull teamate it should burn my health chunk off to give to him instead of just taking some regular health from me

[unborn dagger]

Then I agree, I'm not a fan of Crytek trying to casualize death in this game

[stark fulcrum]

@chilly wren so someone that adjusts thier settings with no knowledge of what you're saying will be banned then?

Some of those settings people actually have to use bc it makes the game playable for them.

[rotund obsidian]

I mean, pretty sure intentionally derendering and playing around that IS punishable already

obviously it would be dumb as shit to ban anyone just based on their settings

[vital fractal]

Ong I need some explosive ammo buffs

[trail oasis]

If it was only me i would not even make res possible. You die you gone. Solo or team.

This game is fun and designed to be punitive and every move they made recently casualised it a lot. Hunt is way too easy as it is right now. Lvl 50 hunter are mean to be a great accomplishment. Now its so easy to get one its totally meaningless

[queen jungle]

@prisma sundial Such an option is unlikely as stated by the devs.

[prisma sundial]

Im sure this can be figured out: The devs just don’t want it to happen (probably)

[queen jungle]

Also, I don't think crosshair placement has anything to do with your issues. Otherwise millions of Halo players would have had the same issue for many years past.

[prisma sundial]

RachtaZ stated: If you want to be good at Hunt don’t play other games for the reason of the crosshair; My experience is the same. I spend a lot of time on the shooting range and it makes my aim bad.

[queen jungle]

If you want to think so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusky tapir]

tbh pros wouldn't switch to HUNT regardless because it's not their thing

it's a relatively minor personal adjustment - coming from someone who's playing tons of FPS - vs having to wrestle with the game's codebase to support both modes and prevent headglitching

[crystal plume]

A certain pro didn't even notice the crosshair being lower until it was pointed out to them and all of the sudden it was a problem

[vital fractal]

Honestly if you’re good at fps, you’re just good at fps and vice versa

A lot of players who stumble into hunt after being good at let’s say cod and siege tend to do pretty well in hunt should they learn the actual mechanics, or some of them, of hunt

I have the major issue of not knowing how to use both the left and right stick at the same time, which is why my aim sucks- it feels like I’m using wooden bars to control my aiming with a controller, it’s just not natural but it’s just based on skill with what you got- a 40% height crosshair vs 50% wont do much to change that

[vague rune]

I agree with this. It changes the focus of the game to the solo I just killed. When I have to stop all play to wait for one person to burn out its frustrating. Add the 2 traits to slow burning and it becomes even more toxic.

[outer wedge]

I dislike Necromancer a lot, i don't believe they going to remove it, but should be reworked to 1 time use (burn trait, non stackable), solo or teams. Normal revive is enough. Deaths/insta necro became a joke, and now during events its even a bigger joke with relentless stack plus resilience.

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
Removing kda? heretical!
The kills i collect are the chorus to the gospel.
My kda is the testamony to my prayers going in and coming out of the bayou alive and blessed 🙏

Give me a 30-day KDA even

[hot vigil]

The least unhinged Hunt: Showdown player

[celest charm]

Whats wrong with twitch drops?? Why my last drop was 5days ago at 27?

[hot vigil]

What seems to be the issue?

Twitch drops started the 27th and had two "rounds of drops", first round was 27th & 28th and the second round started the 29th and end the 1st of Nov.

[obsidian narwhal]

@void dust there's a UI rework coming according to the last roadmap video

[celest charm]

Drops started 25th.10

[hot vigil]

Okay, well, what is the issue still?

[celest charm]

issue with, how u say - " second round started the 29th and end the 1st of Nov."

[hot vigil]

Ah, well, every twitch drop events have had their drops happen in increments.

[rotund obsidian]

@brisk timber #feedback message chaos bolts go brrrr

[humble quest]

If you were watching the first day of the second set - ie 27th - for four hours you got all the drops. There were 5 drops 25/26 total and there were 6 drops 27-1 total

The crates and stuff didn't refresh daily like gator event drops

[ripe basalt]

@thorn nimbus Your #game-ideas post was deleted because it was low effort and did not contain a description. Please review our #discord-rules and you can review the #game-ideas rules here:
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[brisk timber]

Thats a really cool niche strategy yea
but still niche
i want something that every Hunter has as a baseline
The same way everyone can hear sound cues theres needs to be something you can do to sniff out immobile hunters

Instinct was nice as a basic thought i think but its range was too wide and its effect to omnipotent

maybe try something like instinct that has a lower range and faintly activates on players no moving some distance for some seconds

i know it sounds lame for people that rely on hiding and waiting stuff out
But i am convinced that we really would profit from a hunting mechanic in a game literally called HUNT

i know thats probably regarded to the PvE aspect of the hunt - but i still think that applying tracking mechanics to PvP would make the game so much less stale and reactive

Or if everythig of that is too much just make hunters fuckin breath (yea breathing heavily under pressure is a thing) when they dont move some distance for a while

atleast give us active players something to sniff out immobile reactive players

[vital fractal]

it would just be used to counter ambushes if it kicks in too early, otherwise what value would be had if it kicks in too late since if you are suspicious that other players are near by- congrats, you ensure your safety by slowing sweeping the area by sitting down and waiting for the ability to be active... which in turn makes you the camper lol

essentially -> too early = instinct 2.0, too late = you already suspect people are there, deal with the issue via sweeping area instead of a trait/mechanic doing it for you

[brisk timber]

I mean if we say...i dont know 10m?15m?25m? its still way less than sound cues are

how far are they? 60m or so?

I agree that the 75m of instinct during event was overblown

but if you cant execute an ambush at 10/15/25m man i dont know

And even if we dont take the instinct route and instead go for the "heavy breathing"
yea sure i sit and listen aswell for breathing
but atleast i go around, then listen again and try to track someone down
while the other person just fuckin SITS

Sitting and listening shouldnt be that much more advantegous

atleast put both players on the same level

[vital fractal]

its an ambush, itll always be much more advantageous- and should be

[brisk timber]

what are you even talking about
giving away your ambush because somebody hears you breathing in 10m range?
man than you dont deserve this ambush at all tbh if you need to realy on that close combat

its a cheap tactic anyway

[vital fractal]

why would you give players essentially a scanner ability with a trait, or why would you take away stealth from players- of which yes, if you can ambush people within 10m you DO deserve it considering how hard it would be to hide from someone within 10 m- just because you dont check your environment or simply had bad luck (most of the time an ambush happens because you let someone know where you are going, or are just predictable) doesnt mean the ambushers should be punished

besides, how hard are players breathing to be heard 10m away

thats ridiculous lol

[rotund obsidian]

I understand the sentiment but i can't see how such a mechanic could be implemented in a nondisruptive way

[vital fractal]

someone is just salty they get ambushed, which makes sense- I feel the same way but in the end its just my fault

[fresh lily]

guy didnt die btw, feels so nice to win the fight but the game doesnt want you to win

[stark fulcrum]

I hate cheap kills, but ambushes imo add an element of danger making me pay attention to noise im making etc.

We all know they're cheese, but still

[brisk timber]

Because its fuckin boring from a gameplay perspective - it festers reactive play, immobility and stalemates
it fester a meta of who moves first gives the intel away and probably lose

You say a scanner ability?
Man what the fuck is this bat like hearing than please?
i can hear people fuckin crouch walk from 50 meter away
isnt that ridiculous?

And dont come with realism please - realism is the dead end of fun

[vital fractal]

I mean, i didnt call for full realism im just saying its ridiculous- and i do think the crouching is a little loud but you dont hear it 50m away either- besides if what you said was true, then idk what lobbies you are playing in because most players agree hunt is trending towards faster gameplay pace rather than too slow...

[brisk timber]

i dont know - people seem to have such a hard time giving up the benefits of hiding
you know what - keep this benefit
than make moving more silent!

[vital fractal]

its not a meta of who moves first, what are you talking about

[brisk timber]

crouch walking silently why not?

[vital fractal]

in what 5/6 lobby are you playing where people arent moving?

heck, even in 3/4 i fail to find this type of lack of movement unless we are finding some lair campers

[little jackal]

but.. you can hear an ambusher crouching behind the dirt 🤔

[stark fulcrum]

Tbh they just need more modes i feel like and it would scratch the itch many have for different things. Like people that get kills and leave just make a death match.

[vital fractal]

people just want hunt to be cod with the increases in gameplay rate

its ridiculous

[stark fulcrum]

Traditional hunt i want to remain unpredictable. Even things I find cheap or annoying are part of what makes hunt feel dangerous and exciting. Never knowing what's around the corner type thing.

[vital fractal]

hunt should never make you feel safe

[brisk timber]

im not saying everyone does - because most people are sane enought to not succumb to that boring shit
but when people do because its fuckin effective its so infuriating

Just yesterday i had a headsman shooting my with silencer from fort bolden
i sneak up, opened door, searched the fuckin area
just for him to stand there and fan me ultimately

i had zero clues no tool to sniff him out
while he had ALL the fuckin sound cues all day long

[reef violet]

Mmmm yes as a 3-4 star myself I would say “in general” players don’t camp for to long because many player get impatient. I have been in several instances were sitting and waiting is the best move

[brisk timber]

i know "i could have just left"
but for what? to get headshotted in the back with a silenced vetterli?

its just one example of many and i dont wanna get into this specific situation

[vital fractal]

i mean being patient does pay off everynow and then but like, does you being patient mean youre wrong to be? how about setting up an ambush?

[brisk timber]

fact is

active players have hardly a tool to combat camping

[stark fulcrum]

Well I mean you set yourself up for that particular ambush rakki 🤣

Walked into it

[steel comet]

Send in 12 stalker beetles

[reef violet]

I would say there is a difference between camping and ambush. I’m an ambush scenario that’s just a tactic, I’m not sure you can remove that I’m an undisruptive way as stated earlier. However if players are camping and you know there general location there are already tools in the game to help you displace them and get your sound queues

[stark fulcrum]

Always play like someone's watching you on hunt

[little jackal]

hunt: squadron

[brisk timber]

Thank you DaGrog
now everyone here thinks im hating on ambushing. nice

[stark fulcrum]

Lol

[vital fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-hand-controlling-gif-17554100

[brisk timber]

fr

[vital fractal]

fr

[reef violet]

No cap

[stark fulcrum]

Lets move the conversation topic to why we all think pax deserves a buntline variant

And how scottfield has effected us personally

[brisk timber]

His ambush failed.
This ambush was over. I knew his approx location.

The thing is - and thats the thing im complaining about - while he still has the upside of listening to my sound cues
I cant track him down without revealing my every step

What he did ultimately was camping par excellance

[stark fulcrum]

Did he fan you with a chain pistol?

[brisk timber]

yea 😄

[stark fulcrum]

That would be salt in the wound

Lmao yessss

Thats gold

[brisk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/salty-salt-bae-gif-7529894

[stark fulcrum]

🤣

[vital fractal]

so he just had better positioning...

bro

[brisk timber]

yea and he really played it out skillfully

by not playing!

awesome

[vital fractal]

he clearly was playing lol

[brisk timber]

you know what i mean and i know what you mean

[vital fractal]

you werent after being filled with .38 long colt

[brisk timber]

i start to get suspicious that you probably are headsman with silenced vetterli enjoyer @vital fractal

[stark fulcrum]

I just imagine rakki on the hunt for his prey. Headsman shooting at him with born and missing a few. So then rakki moves in closer, closer, closer still....then 18 shots later rakki lays dead. While a cross eyed headsman inspects his chain pistol for his chat on twitch.

[vital fractal]

fun fact, i main mama maye

so no

i am a headshot machine with no ability to hide

by headshot machine i mean

i get headshot

i turn my loadout hunt dollars -> 💀 screen

[stark fulcrum]

@brisk timber thats how it happened right?

[vital fractal]

very efficiently

[vital fractal]

like bro said he KNEW he was there, how are you going to complain about pushing a set up ambush knowing they are there though

[stark fulcrum]

Perfect meme work btw lol

I get both sides grog

[vital fractal]

also pax deadeye one slot when

[stark fulcrum]

I get so pissed when I get jumped but I accept it as part of what makes hunt hunt

[vital fractal]

acceptable response

i do too

like, in the end its on me

unlike the bad matchmaking or rng spread of shots, or even the visual issues

that act of being ambushed is on me

[stark fulcrum]

Well sometimes its not on you, sometimes shit happens. I learned early you can't be a rager and play hunt lol. Just gotta accept it for what it is.

[brisk timber]

You nailed that one perfectly xD

i was goin up this stairway in the outer building of fort bolden

and he just stands there

but i dont see him instantly because... you know . headsmancamo™️

and than he goes PAM PAM PAM PAM

There would have probably nothing i could have done other except for
a.) waiting outside the same way he waits - playing the game of patience
b.) move on
c.) go around the map and find a beetle (lol)

and thats excatly the point that irks me so much

Well ok theres a point d.)

Make so much noise and put myselfe up as a target to bait shots and him revealing his position more
but i dont know thats a really hard take on a 5* with silencer

point stands: active play is too risky.

[brisk timber]

Oh didnt see that one

Well i think we have to step back and define what we consider an "ambush"
For me the part where he shoots at me while im on my way unsuspectingly - that was his ambush.
After that he ofc played to his strenght and hid - and thats the part where i think the "ambush" transitions into a "camp"
he waited out what my next move would be - listen to sound cues and maybe scanning the area through some crack or whatever - playing reactive

What i could have done other i said above

But i dont agree that i pushed into an ambushed - i tried to fight a damn camper

And i want damn tools for that which are atleast on paar

Im not critizig his ambush - this was fine and dandy - but defending the camp. I dont know. i dont think the game gets richer with that facette

[vital fractal]

you chased him

you literally let him bait you

https://tenor.com/view/fish-spin-sha-gif-26863370

[brisk timber]

Thats basically what im arguing about
Mechanics to chase/hunt/track someone

[vital fractal]

what would have hearing him breathe change? you had to have heard him stop moving, did that not stimulate the thought of "he ran around a corner/up stairs and stopped moving... he may be counting on me following and is aiming right at the stairs?"

its literally one of the simplest bait strats, like-

what more is there to say theres, just ok

👌

[brisk timber]

That is you assuming this all started close combat
i didnt hear him do jack at all - i had the intel of his shots coming from fort bolden outer ring
i approached his position because i couldnt let him have my back between me and bounty team
He was just hiding at this point waiting for my steps (successfully)

What could have breathing changed?
ALOT
as i was carefully approaching the same way he had heard my steps i could have heard his breathing
we would probably been both aware of each other

ultimately leading to a somewhat fair fight - better shooter wins

[vital fractal]

so when you said you could hear crouching 50m away, that wasnt true?

[brisk timber]

Or other way - if my crouching would have been silent he wouldnt probably heard me comin behind creeping up on his ass

[brisk timber]

dude what about is so hard to understand that he didnt move?

[vital fractal]

honestly at this point this is my totally sincere, earnest, and honest reaction:

👌

I disagree

those two go together^

[brisk timber]

Its fine. personally i cant understand defending camping but you do you 👌

[reef violet]

This would be interesting to explore further as far as chasing goes because as of right now I find it very hard to actually be able to catch a team who is booking it for an extract. However, there are a ton of consumables you can use to try to sus people out of positions.

[brisk timber]

Well "chasing" isnt particular what i meant - i think "tracking" is more what comes close to what im thinking of.
And yea tools are fine but its such a brittle argument because while hearing is unlimited and basekit tools arent.
You can have the wrong tools, the tools are used, the tools are too few

This problem needs some more basic solution

[analog willow]

@prisma sundial Love it #game-ideas message Would have an amazing weapon inspect too😋

[stark fulcrum]

@brisk timber what is your pic? Is it a bug or something?

[turbid hound]

#game-ideas message this absolutely won't be used to disarm downed opponents, yeah

[hollow trail]

Fair point tbh, but negatives could be added to it ie movement speed or such that you have to sacrifice for it 🤷‍♀️

Or it could just be an expensive perk so not everyone would have it

[turbid hound]

does not change that downed opponent will be at huge disadvantage of not having a primary weapon

no thanks

[hollow trail]

Could just have it be burnt out bodies 🤷‍♀️ but that’s a whole other thing in itself

[turbid hound]

you cant loot burned bodies and there is a good reason for that

the only way to "balance" that is to make it uncancelable and super unviable while in combat, like reducing movement speed to crouched, but that's stupid

[late quartz]

Logistics of removing a gun from the ground aside, I think there's an interesting set of incentives and risk vs reward when you consider whether or not you want to swap out a part of your loadout to take a gun.

I definitely see the appeal of a trait like this, and just because it changes the aforementioned dynamic doesn't mean it's a bad idea, but I do wonder if it would remove some of the interesting choices involved in looting other players

[turbid hound]

i do like the idea of having more to loot, but it should not interfere with the current balance of a firefight, and leaving opponent without a weapon is a huge breach in said balance

and looting body clean when you dont have any weapon whatsoever is kinda "balanced" because you managed to snitch said weapons being naked

[late quartz]

On the one hand, you can already sort of do that by unloading your weapon and swapping with them, but on the other hand this is obviously a much easier and more effective version of that.

I don't think the idea that it could only work on burned out players is bad tbh

Not being able to loot burned out players is there for a reason, yes, but this wouldn't interfere with that reason at all

If i kill a dude with a nitro and I wanna make sure that nitro isn't used in this lobby, I can burn that player to remove it from the game.

This trait also effectively removes weapons from the game, and thus it wouldn't really change any in-match balance

Assuming the obvious loophole of picking it up then swapping it for another gun on another corpse is accounted for

[turbid hound]

stealing weapon from the match is huge disadvantage for the party it was stealed from, if they manage to win this fight, then everything will be somewhat ok, but this cuts too much of a combat effectiveness of a team

[late quartz]

Sure, that's why burning them out is a good solution

This would still allow you to disarm players who can get redskull revived... but tbqh I don't think we need to make things ultra fair and comfy for people who have been redskulled

I'm not even sold on the idea that redskull revives should be in the game, and I'm certainly not concerned about what state those players will be revived in.

[turbid hound]

burning still gives more of a fighting chance than leaving players without primary weapon at all

oh

well maybe

[late quartz]

Also, tbqh

Mechanically this is totally doable, this worry we're having right now is about diegetic logic; how do we explain in-universe what's going on

Video games gonna video game and we can explain shit like this with occult swamp magic if we really want to LOL

Since you're not gonna be able to use the weapon in the same match anyway, we can absolutely just explain this with like... stealing the essence or soul of the gun and then reconstituting it later LOL

Whether or not it's a good mechanic is sort of separate from whether or not we can come up with an adequately grounded explaination for how it works.

We probably don't want gun duping outright cause that feels gamey and wack, but we accept a lot of swamp magic and this situation can be solved with that as well

[little jackal]

@serene salmon there's also a "chamber" in the reload mechanism

[tawny meadow]

@hot vigil regarding the dragon bolt. If i remember correctly it does not burn a small chunk of health on hit, so it's not akin to an Hellfire bomb

It's more similar to dragon breath ammo for shotgun

[hot vigil]

Dragonsbreath can burn bars tho?

[tawny meadow]

True, but it depends on how many pellet hits

So the bolt should be named firebolt ?

[hot vigil]

Maybe? But it have more hellfire properties in the way the fire is not lingering

[tawny meadow]

It's more akin to a lantern at this point

[hot vigil]

Lantern bolt ✨️

[tawny meadow]

[winter plover]

@celest spindle
HV was added just recently so muzzle velocity is an issue with that suggestion

[karmic ivy]

@sonic belfry "...You netcode is not made for this....."

This is ironic. Their netcode does indeed appear to be made just for this kind of international gameplay. I think you have the wrong idea about Hunt.

[celest spindle]

Silencer springy 220ms -> 420ms with hv

Was my idea

[vital fractal]

Yes a silenced marksmen rifle with still viable velocity,

Ffs what a meme

[rocky forge]

Absolutely love this game. The pvp is so rewarding and fairly well balanced. Would be amazing to see a few things: 1. soul survivor mode with duos only. it's such a fun game mode but sad to see unplayable with a friend. Be nice to just mix things up once in a while game mode-wise, respecting a potentially lower player base so you can't offer too many variations. 2. separate mmr from soul survivor to main hunt so they don't impact each other. 3. slow down the mmr rating so it can't swing so wildly in general (i know this has been discussed). 3. Add a few more teams to the map if it doesn't crush performance, particularly when there are 2 bosses it impacts pvp. one boss is almost always pretty fun but could still use another team or two. Just some thoughts, keep up the good work! : )

[tulip pond]

You know what type of shotguns we need are 410 caliber types in game they gave good range in irl and the spread is kinda of small with a 410 have a stevens bolt action 410 on a game would be unique in the game

[rocky forge]

Also looting a hunter for anything they have on them (your choice of tools/consumables vs random), maybe even ability to take their hunter skin (use until you die) would be fun. More rewarding kills.

[soft river]

@void dust its pointless now but crytek just forgot to remove it

but yeah it should be removed

[void dust]

yeah i know it was useful before, but it has been months since they changed it and became pointless, and its really annoying each time grab a new hunter and 80% i want to change the how the chunks are.

[soft river]

do removing traits even have a warning

if anything they should

just incase you change your mind last second

[brisk timber]

The real warning we need is leaving a match when you have solo revive ready.
Always forget D:

[void dust]

still better that removing traits don't bc still its very small chance of doing the wrong trait but the amount of time it will take for each trait would be a lot

[void dust]

true that should be added

[thorny quail]

anyone else have double the normal ping on west?

[karmic ivy]

No, normal ping.

[thorny quail]

shit's been unstable since the event, swinging by 100ms on west... now it's just 200 all day on west

[thin remnant]

should they make melee trading change based on weapon length or would that be frustrating?

like lance beats knife always

in a trade

[karmic ivy]

Just finished up my session of Hunt of US west. Was normal. Did not have any trouble.

[queen jungle]

@coarse geyser Votes are just used as an indication for popularity and are not a deciding factor when it comes to whether or not a suggestion makes it into the game.

The devs may find unpopular suggestions a good addition while disagreeing with popular ones.

And judging by experience, the same suggestion can sometimes get lots of Upvotes, other times lots of Downvotes.

[iron trench]

@glossy swift for god sake.. just fix de-sync and trades.. My ping is 35... and my Backend ping (server ping) is 145 WTF, MAN?!
And i'm always playing against high ping people from South America (Argentina and Chile for example, no problem).. but the server response is also high ping.. c'mon man..

[spice topaz]

The backend seems to be located in NA since I've got NA ping on it always.

[crystal plume]

The backend ping won't matter for actual gameplay

[queen jungle]

since the morning I am unable to play as the game laggs as ****. My connection is stable as ussual, so that wont be a problem, has any1 experienced the same?

[wary trellis]

Because of your unproffecionality we can not play the game. Every time when we start the game we were kicked out. And the Cheaters can play this game without any problems!!!

[little jackal]

gotta install some cheats then, boom problem solved

[karmic ivy]

You really think that way?

[feral radish]

fixed the anticheats

fixed the report syste,m

actually have a system that works

[celest charm]

I took infernal pact and still burns mine bars, that noticed that i domt have tham on my trats list?? what just hapend... ???

[rotund obsidian]

did you earn and spend the pledge marks on the traits?

[broken jolt]

Not sure where to post this. I saw it said Crytek would consider CCs not meeting the criteria needed for the program. I’m just under that CCV how do I apply if Lurkit won’t let me?

[brisk timber]

Dont know if thats worth posting but i had an quick idea

So to make dynamite more an utility than a pvp tool

We could equip following in 1slot

• 3x dynamit stick
• 2x dynnamit bundle
• 1x big dynamit bundle

to compensate for the larger quantity the lesser dynamite get reduce in area of effect

so small stick could be used to hit away concertina and only kill people if aimed dead on

like...3m area?

[thin remnant]

i think they need to rework starshell and light things like lantern in general

maybe like they scare away monsters or make them more passive or smth

[unborn dagger]

I just want them to rework the flaregun into... a flare gun lol. Like it would be soooo perfect to shoot it up in the air and light up an area that doesn't have a generator

[thin remnant]

maybe it tells you if theres enemies in the area but not where they are? or would that not fit the realistic vibe of hunt

also small change but you should 100% be able to ping on the map

[unborn dagger]

Latter and it would make it pretty op

I agree that you should be able to ping on the map tho

[thin remnant]

still definetely think light should have another use other than just "light"

especially in a game where most of the time you WANT the darkness

maybe if people aim towards it it makes it hard for them to see through it and thus harder to hit you?

idk

[brisk timber]

Thanks for partaking in the topic i started... xD

[thin remnant]

np

[unborn dagger]

It could probably work in a similar fashion like the night lamp

[thin remnant]

i thought the lamp just made light to see?? does it actually do smth useful?

[unborn dagger]

Yeah it blinds players when they're looking directly at it, really only effective though in night maps lol

[thin remnant]

ohh

yeah i think all light should do that

but a lesser version

[brisk timber]

yea sure, now that we got rid of flashes thats a good opportunity to introduce another item that blinds 😄

thanks i hate it

maybe the intensity of the light could be a little bit more but i think its already good at what it wants to achieve

the problem is just that nobody really wants to give away slots for deception/decoy items

its not just flares that are underplayed but other things aswell

Those stuff would probably see way more use if we had a dedicated deception/decoy item slot

[thin remnant]

i dont mean a blinding item just harder to see if you look right at it

so if youre hiding you can put a flare next to you and make it a harder shot

i agree a seperate decoy slot is a cool idea

[vital fractal]

Why does the springfield lose so much headshot damage with explosive but martini still has 250+m?

[brisk timber]

is there a difference in the basic ammo type? like compact medium long - does this exist for explo ammo aswell?

i never play explo tho - feels like a downgrade or meme

[vital fractal]

Explo sadly doesn’t exist for compact

I want it to

But it doesn’t

There is a different to base

Explosive damage, radius, and headshot distance apparently

But it’s not as linear as it may seem

Uppercut explosive ammo is pathetic, like actually worse than the derringer in almost every way pathetic

Springfield explosive is useless beyond just clearing traps and doors

Martini explosive is just a worse long ammo but has almost decent splash

Nitro explosive is honestly what martini explosive should be lmao, although it’s radius is huge- like genuinely huge so it actually is scary with no bulwark

Bulwark makes all explosive ammo a worse joke

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
@torn tulip
This would dramatically interfere with the "you never know" aspect of hunt
One very major tool to use is that the bounty team never knows if youre there or not
This would instantly give away that someone is still on the map

[glass shuttle]

these skins man fuck they're stupid

its day and i still cant see the dude standing in a window

i just see little bits of white string moving and then i die

[unborn dagger]

A good reason for me to stay away from PC Hunt lol

[thin remnant]

not really thinking itd be a good idea to add this, just a cool concept to think about: a decoy clue. Put it down and other hunters can see it in dark sight. it makes a slightly different whispering sound so you can distinguish it. I think itd be kinda useless but its fun to think about. itd also encourage camping

[wise lake]

Title: Solo revive has upset the game balance
Details: It has changed the pace of the game, we have to wait around burning downed hunters now, and keep guns aimed on them in case they get up... missing objectives and wasting time. If they're downed in water we cant burn, downed solo's even get up and escape concertina wire, and sometimes then wipe the team, I think it has changed the gameplay too much... also when it's all solo's in the server you know the revive mechanic is op.

[little jackal]

All solos in the lobby is actually a good thought experiment. I bet most would agree that it's not gonna be a pleasant experience even just because of necro, without mentioning playstyles.

wrong channel btw

[indigo crystal]

just saying crossbow with explosive ammo is too damn op it needs to be nerfed asap

[celest spindle]

#game-ideas message

I love this suggestion

[brisk timber]

I think your feeling that it wouldnt be a good experience is right but probably because of a different reason
it would be the same reason why many people think trios is better than duos
If the amount of different teams on a big map increases the unpredictability of encounters rises tremendously
People would start to play very careful and getting into a fight would be guaranteed to instantly get third partied

I think i heard that they tried it before and it didnt work out
and that was before self revive was even a thing

Ofc self revive would be also way harder to deal with under these conditions

Overall i think its just not a good solution to ban solos participating. Inclusion is good overall even if its sometimes hinder the enjoyment of the majority a bit.

[broken musk]

@covert imp Love the bat colony sound trap, thats awesome. Imagine them in stillwater bend cave or at the mines

[queen jungle]

wouldn't it be possible to implement a reasonbale (working) matchmaking based on real skills - not just random head shots of a 5/6-Star - more like real capability based on how many shots one took towards an enemy hunter and how many of thos shots have been hits or even head shots at all.

[crystal plume]

A lot of things are possible, question is if they are good solutions to begin with

The goal of the matchmaking system is not to provide 100% balanced matches, it's there to provide more balanced matches

The more strict you make a matchmaking system, the more players you need to not sacrifice on matchmaking times/full lobbies

And people severely underestimate the amount of extra players needed for each division to queues/matchmaking

So to summarize, matchmaking development or such is not a matter of "if they can" and more often than not "should they"

[queen jungle]

YES!!!! They should do - otherwise you are just cannon fodder - and that'S NO fun at all - and if they would cheating wouldn't be an issue at all - who would care...

[crystal plume]

Back in 2018 we had neither skill based matchmaking or fast queue times, and the main complaint to address was queue times

I'm not denying that people should have fair matches, but it was established fairly early on that being able to get into matches fast and the matches being full was more impactful to people

I don't want to wait long and I do not want empty/partially empty lobbies

There's a balance there that they have to consider, which they have, the matchmaking is doing something considering I'm not seeing new/low mmr players in my lobbies while not making me wait ages for "balanced" matches

[queen jungle]

the matchmaking is doing almost nothing... there is so many f... nerds and 5-/6-stars they kill you in a slpit second (cheating or not - I don't care) - so, might be I'm just not good enough in this game, but I'D like to have fun playing a game. This is for 3 DAYS not the case 30 attempts no f.. bounty, no money, no nothing just dead dead dead - where's the fun??????? I'm really pissed about this BS. Ok, if crytek just want to provide a game for nerds and streamers, they shall advertise it just for Pros and Streamers...

...and my team mates see it the same way!!!

[radiant river]

What's your mmr

[sweet sequoia]

these trades have got to stop.

i am on 9ms ping. This simply should not happen and certainly not as often as it does.

[crystal plume]

Latency is a 2 way street and yours is not the only one to consider either

[brisk timber]

Those trades are so extremely close i wonder how one could even complain about

[queen jungle]

MMR doesn't matter that's nayhow BS as a lot of players drop it via QP. The KDA is more iterresting - I just don't wanna play KDA>2 players 🤬

[queen jungle]

Here's one more... how can it be I die 8 times out of 10 getting a f... headshot - disgusting!!! ...and no, I'm not standing still for 5 minutes.

It's not balanced at all this game!!!!

[crystal plume]

It's part of the game, you can get headshot multiple times in a row but you can also headshot others, it's the great equalizer that makes basically all guns viable

You can one tap even the best players with a single winfield C shot

[brisk timber]

How would you balance people being good at playing a shooter?

do you want to nerf people? xD

Or...take headshots out of the game?

[queen jungle]

sorry, but that's a stupid question. Guess you consider yourself a good player - glad for you. BUT it would be possible to provide a reasonbale matchmaking!!! And maybe yes, reduce the hitbox for headshots - I don't care who is good or not - BUT, players with the same level either good or bad shall play each other - AND NOT just filling the f... lobby - I don't care whether the lobby is full or not - sometimes it is just good to make some money. I'm not able nor willing to play play a game 10 hours a day to train my skills and get better - but this sh... is not possible to play just once in a while being average but still have some fun. TOTAL BS!!!

[crystal plume]

The hitboxes are already very tight compared to the actual average hunter model

There's no reason to make them smaller than the actual visible head

[queen jungle]

so, everybody is using aim bots???

[crystal plume]

No, sometimes you just get headshot often, sometimes not 🤷‍♂️ Some people have good aim, some get lucky

[radiant river]

can you post a screenshot of the end of match screen where it shows all the people's mmr and kd

i refuse to believe you have died 30 matches in a row

[brisk timber]

I agree with your assesment that how matches are created is flawed and too much focus is put on full and fast lobbies instead of fair lobbies

But also you getting headshotted and therefore the game needs to change is a hard take i cant agree with tho

Also your tone is a bit off

We all here are no crytek employes and discussing stuff in here should be relaxed no matter what

[stark fulcrum]

Its always someone's night on hunt, may not be yours this particular night lol. Some nights I do the headshots other nights someone hits me mid air from 60 m away.

[stark fulcrum]

For example I shot someone from the tower by fort. they were top of fort. Long shot, head shot while they were jumping down the ladder hole. Lucky shot, but wasn't thier night lol.

[queen jungle]

no I can't. But I have two mates they would confirm it. No kidding.

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
Any input on what the reasons are for why people not very fond of this idea?

[pliant wren]

#game-ideas message
I would like this idea as long as it improves not just the strong melee attack, but also the weak melee attack.

[pliant wren]

Don't play peak hours and learn to avoid fights you can't win. If you're charging into a trap ridden lair with two guys who know exactly where you are cause they just picked up the bounty, you're probably going to die. The sight range for people who have the bounty is about 150 meters, stay out of that range and if at all possible trap the place they're going ahead of time. Fight them on your terms, not theirs.

[brisk timber]

Especially play peak hours. Only nolifers are online during unusual hours.

The same reason Hunt is significantly easier during Event because more casuals are playin,

Or...just play if you feel like playin 😄

[pliant wren]

No, the majority of players of hunt are 4 stars. This guy doesn't want to encounter them. so playing off peak hours makes you much more likely to end up in lobbies that aren't full and have less 4+ star players in them. Less players makes it easer to avoid players altogether and only take the fights you like. At 8 am central week days US servers, I never have a problem landing in a lobby with less than 6 people. If I have a hunter that's level 40+, I set them aside to play them during that time so I can be sure to get the 500 hunt bucks for maxing them out.

[brisk timber]

thats a very strange way to avoid PvP in a PvP game

why not just playin Red Dead Redemption at this point? also has cowboys and even horses.

[pliant wren]

Cause if you can't no-life the game, or you have a shit connection like some of us, you take advantages where you can. avoiding PVP only happens until it's advantageous not to. If you see the bounty holders getting chased off the lair and heading for an extract you happen to be close to, trap the shit out of it and then move a little further than 150 away from it. Close in while the ones chasing them are weakening them, then clean up what remains.

[frozen crater]

sorry to bring up the topic pretty late but 2018 population was a third to half of our current size no? it would make sense for a playerbase with 6k average players to prioritize queue times since they had a much smaller pool of players to draw from compared to modern day hunt

[vital fractal]

But now it’s not just 6k average, it more- and Hunt as a game and community has shifted majorly since 2018

For better or for worse.

[manic dock]

obligatory request to reduce rain map rate

[brisk timber]

alrite so what do you wanna discuss about that?

plain feedback is probably better put in #feedback

[manic dock]

mmmmm i'm blind

[naive furnace]

The wall hacking in the game has made the game unplayable for legit players 😦

[radiant river]

Idk what kind of MMR you're in

[covert imp]

Thanks man, and I thought the same aswell. It will certainly fit the ambiance of the game too. Also more soundtrap ideas coming soon :) including reworks for the current ones.

[turbid hound]

#game-ideas message hunt is unforgiving and hard, but it should be fair for most players, otherwise no one will play this game.
As i was saying last time, 10, maybe even 15 skillpoints is not that big of a price for a huge advantage on a battlefield.
I personally think this should not be in game in any way, but if it makes it's way in game, then balancing it should make using this perk heavily punishing for the "gunrunner"

[queen jungle]

@naive furnace Please move your post from #game-ideas to #feedback since the former channel is for game feature suggestions only.

[elder flame]

Make the buntline still a one slot

It deserves it

[queen jungle]

@dreamy cobalt @pine pagoda Please add more details to your suggestion's description so others have a better understanding what exactly you suggest and why they should support the idea.

[brisk timber]

Good call. Thats the most important part. I changed the description. Thanks alot!

[elder flame]

If the baseball bat is a one slot thr buntline can be too

[covert imp]

what is buntline?

[elder flame]

Pax long barrel

[covert imp]

I dont understand why pax has a short barrel anyways

colt peacemakers usually have long barrels

[brisk timber]

Than you shall upvote thise
#game-ideas message

[fresh yarrow]

So many hackers/cheats....do something Crytek, they are killing the game

[brisk timber]

#feedback

[queen jungle]

@loud hamlet Just FYI, Crytek tried to introduce different death sounds when female hunters were added, but many people were unhappy and said it was too difficult to discriminate between the different sounds. So it was removed.

[brisk timber]

yea understandable - i like to keep my chauvinism simple too.

[flat sandal]

anyone else got all their settings reset?

[rotund obsidian]

@hollow acorn #game-ideas message You technically already can do this, you've just go to use an exclamation point in the searchbar to display the opposite. I believe it's like, "!unlocked" or something, and that'll show all the unowned stuff

Although a dedicated button for it wouldn't hurt, since that would let you filter for unowned AND for specific weapons or whatever at the same time

[tribal wyvern]

@reef smelt
Have any recordings of it happening ?
You're making quite a bold & i'd even argue outrageous claim.

Don't think i've seen a single cheater the past 6 months. And i have 3.4k hours since Scrapbeak came out.
And those 6 months can probably be stretched further back before i saw my last one.

Checked my recordings, 10 months ago, a guy had exploited to be underneath the ground in Stillwater.

That would be the most recent cheater i saw.

[flat sandal]

such an intrusive thought this "cheaters everywhere" thing^^

I almost caught it the other day

turns out I just suck^^

[tribal wyvern]

Okey I have to correct my timeline. December was the exploiter, november was a dude running around hipfire headshotting ppl at 100+m range with a nagant 😄

But ye it used to be everyone having that graphic changing app, forgot its name. Now its cheater.

[flat sandal]

reshade?

[tribal wyvern]

ye

[flat sandal]

glad it's outlawed now

[edgy sparrow]

Title: Pistol Sword - Small Slot weapon

make it a Sparkspistol variant with only 5 reserve bullets

[covert imp]

i dont think it should be that long and i think pax needs more to be interesting

also instead of a long barrel variant its base should have a longer barrel

[humble quest]

@mellow glade the things from dark tribute are actually permanent. It's skins from twitch crates and codes they let you redeem in game and stuff that are single use

[rotund obsidian]

you can actually get single instances of skins from dark tribute as well, separate from the unlocks.

[humble quest]

Hm. Guess I've never seen that. All mine have been permanent

[rotund obsidian]

admittedly it's been a while but i'm... at least fairly sure

[brisk timber]

Well what does it matter when you can buy a variant?
having options is never bad
could even have some Pax carbine or precision with a longer barrel

[tired elm]

Title: Overhauled Necromancer
Description: Alright, been thinking about this one for a wee while, A lot of people complaining about Necro. Not sure if i can explain this correctly but.
How about revamping the Necromancer mechanics in a way that seems balanced from both parties perspective. in a way that stops body camping, and the frustration of someone coming back 5 times in a single fight, and also stops you from being camped.

The amount of Necromancer charges you get in a game depends on the amount of Clues/ Rifts you open. *Not including rot jaw (Limited by the amount of Health Chunks you have)

So one open clue is equal to one charge of Necro. (Limited by the amount of Health Chunks you have)

However, when you die as a solo player and you hit the Necro button, a quick banish animation plays, your body disappears and you effectively respawn at the Last rift you opened, ( Like your body vanishing and walking the rift passing the afterlife.) Minus one Health Chunk.

This way, it takes you completely away from the fight you lost, and gives all parties involved a chance to recoup without the frustration of body camping.

Once a rift is used, that rift will "burn out" and will no longer be used. and the next time you die and necro, you sill respawn at the 2nd to last rift you opened, and so forth.

This encourages solo player to walk around the map collecting clues etc.

What do you think?

[outer wedge]

I dislike a lot Necromancer, one of the few poor addictions, it should be removed for trios, Solos that want challenge gameplay then cry that its too hard.. i guess, give them 1 time use.

[covert imp]

i think it does yes, there is a balance between variants the simplest example is pax having claw and scottfield having brawler now if you give scottfield claw or pax brawler you would break the effect it has

[tired elm]

Yea but what about this as an alternative, I understand people hate necro. But trying to find a middle ground solution here. A one time use just encourages body camping and once the solo gets popped it’s over. There’s not really a fair trade off

[unborn dagger]

Solo necro has just gotten a lot more people to instaburn lol

[thin remnant]

imo if they wanna give solo players more of a chance it shouldnt be locked behind an overpowered perk.

thats the longest message ive ever seen rakki woah still typing? You're gonna set a new world record at this rate! Keep going! I believe in you! Come on, just a few more words!!!!!

[brisk timber]

I wouldnt like any mechanic that magically teleports a player away - its too safe and would make any encounter trivial. A risk averse player would basically never lose his hunter and that would lead the basic gameplay ad absurdum.

Aswell as for the enemy a player that just comes back a few minutes later out of nowhere would be the most frustrating thing ever.

Your suggestion would be a solo snipers wet dream.

[thin remnant]

good job you did it

[tired elm]

This is a really fair point Rakki,

[thin remnant]

maybe solos could get some other slight advantage without needing a perk but for solo necro- maybe it transforms you into a zombie and you can only melee? and if you get a melee kill you get transformed back idk

[little jackal]

okay hear me out

revive beetle

a solo lays an egg in an area they expect to die

and upon dying the egg opens up

[thin remnant]

lol

[little jackal]

and if the beetle manages to find their owner and not get shot out of the sky, tadam

[thin remnant]

im just imagining the hunter squatting down and laying an egg

wait so what you're saying, you use the beetle to lay the egg, then when you die a beetle comes from your body and if you fly to the egg you get respawned -1 health chunk?

similar thing with teleporting but it might feel more fair if you can shoot the beetle. as long as you can't choose when to spawn the beetle on your body, thatd be the same problem with the unfair teleporting

[little jackal]

that means solos come from eggs hmm

nah, the other way around, it's like a sleeper agent that waits for the owner to die and then needs to find its way to the body

[brisk timber]

I had a similar idea of the dead hunter transforming into a pile of beetles like the Assassin Boss. Then he could spawn anywhere around his corpse in 25m (necro range).

[thin remnant]

ohh so no teleporting issue

[brisk timber]

The beetles could be shot/burned to intercept revive

But tbh this all is probably too complex

[thin remnant]

I feel like there's two options: nerf the hunter when they revive, like turning them into a zombie that only melees, or you can shoot something to intercept the revive.

[brisk timber]

Self revive is fine as it is and could just use some number tweaks - like faster burning speed and a little bit quicker revive timer.

[thin remnant]

hold up idk if it does this already but- wouldnt it practically be fixed with something as simple as a really loud sound that plays on your body when you revive?

that way you dont need to camp the body and if you hear the sound just head over and go kabam

but at the same time it would still feel fair for the solo as long as they arent body camping

imagine youre in a fight and kill someone. You move on to the next people but behind you you hear BARTEARFFDGRAEIOFJDKLSGNFHFJAKSFH. turn around and whoever gets the headshot first wins

[brisk timber]

Nah i would never risk leaving a solo if im not sure hes not burned. Maybe thats a good thing in the mid of a fight where you cant burn him.

But othewise people mostly complain on the long time spend to watch a dead hunter burn out. Understandable.

[thin remnant]

wouldnt necessarily fix this problem but its so simple i feel like it would be worth it

imma say one more thing cause u right this is getting too complex- your idea of them picking a spot to spawn in a 25 meter radius is cool. It means if theyre camping the body the dead guy can just zOOm over into cover or behind the body campers. that coupled with a loud audio queue would be nice anyways im gonna stop discussing this now

[dreamy cobalt]

How would you guys feel about the suggestion I made for a new special ammo for some of the faster firing shotguns #game-ideas message

[hazy quartz]

what is the upside compared to just take a winfield or an officer carbine for example?
there is already flechette in the game which makes shotguns two tap and adds a lot of range and almost no one plays it.

[dreamy cobalt]

There are some perks that allow you to stay aimed down site while shooting a shotgun like Iron Devastator. And maybe the perk for lever action rifles? If that works for the Terminus. So shotguns like the Crown and King/Terminus/Specter/Caldwell have a decent rate of fire and wouldn’t necessarily receive a huge downgrade if the recoil for the suggested ammunition was low enough, allowing for another option for ranged ammunition with ease of use. Personally I’ve barely used flechette either and also don’t use shotguns a lot. But it could be a fun addition giving a decent amount of range. And possibly could be a cheap special ammunition. Don’t most weapons kill in two shots anyway? Would the possibility of a headshot multiplier make it more worthwhile? Giving it more range than slugs. In doing so could make it so you could have more diversity in secondary options like bringing a sword or something.

[hazy quartz]

terminus and crown are are relatively expensive.
so if you have to do two taps at medium and short range you want high rate of fire.
even if you take these expensive shotguns it would lose in a duel against much cheaper weapons due to lower fire rate.

most weapons are twoshot, but shotguns are oneshot kill in their effective range this is what it makes them so good at close range. by taking away the oneshot you need to give it other advantages to give the player a reason to take birdshot.
shotguns won't win the fire rate battle even the crown loses by 100ms compared to the officer. compact would just do a better job at two tapping.

maybe one way to make it viable is to bump up the damage to at least 125 damage then you can do headshot kills at close range, and onetap players who are missing one bar and give it like a lot of pellets which spread out at range, this is functionally almost still the same as flechette minus the bleed, with the difference that it would saturate large areas at range for less damage (flechette has a rather thight cone)
this would make it a viable ammo type for shotguns as a sidearm for people who like to play a sparks for example to get the main damage out and then just needs the tiniest amount of damage to confirm the kill.

[dreamy cobalt]

That makes sense thanks.

[dreamy cobalt]

On the other hand could poison be an option? But maybe call it something else like laced shells

[hazy quartz]

yeah its not easy to find a new niche for new ammo types or weapons as the game already has some solid choices and lots of filled niches and some of newer additions sometimes to struggle to find a niche or later will just become obsolete by newer stuff.

[glass shuttle]

I'm getting so many clips of invisible players that I'm gunna make a game called spot the player and if you fail you pay me a dollar
I'll be buying out crytec in no time

[hazy quartz]

poison could be an interesting idea but it would require that they rework antidotes, lots of people take them and antidote completely takes away all advantages of poison passively.

[dreamy cobalt]

True

[dreamy cobalt]

On the other hand poison would allow hunters to take care of ai easily similar to penny shot at a much further range, and what if it made the sound of the shotgun quieter?

[thin remnant]

imo itd be cool if non-health stims damaged you a little as a tradeoff. stamina shot would need a bit of a buff tho

[hazy quartz]

that damage would be completely negated by regen shots tho

poison would fit the bill of poison being a primarily PvE ammo

not sure how many would take it, because sacrificing a medium of big weapon slot to fight PvE is a huge handicap in a game where other players are the main threat

[dreamy cobalt]

Ahh oh well, tis why we have feedback, thanks for the discussion

[hazy quartz]

no problem! i like exploring new ideas, but its really hard to come up with something really good, it's so easy to make some oversights.

[vital fractal]

@cunning bronze normal blank fire decoys do everything you just suggested but without the flames

Maybe not set oil fire however* need to test that

Or ignite ai on fire* but like…

That just sounds like minithrowable fire ammo, incendiary ammo essentially that’s throwable

[tiny cobalt]

@cunning bronze Are not fusees already the exact item you are requesting? With the exception of the sizzle noise(and they do have another noise when struck), they are it, they have a lesser ammo pool and light things on fire.

[vital fractal]

I guess he wants a combo of flares and blank fires

[dreamy cobalt]

Would anyone think that this would be an interesting new weapon addition for Hunt ? #game-ideas message

[thin remnant]

yall think starshell should get a rework?

[thin remnant]

sounds cool but blunderbuss sounds very overpowered

[dreamy cobalt]

So without blunderbuss could be interesting?

[thin remnant]

idk maybe just reduce the amount of shots the blunderbuss has. My opinion is not the only correct one though. Yeah, could be interesting to have another utility weapon

[dreamy cobalt]

Could also be really cool for team play

[thin remnant]

i assume it holds 2 ammo types at once like most guns?

also i think it got disliked cause of the blunder buss mainly. thats my guess. 3 shots with 1500 damage is just a lot of power lol

[dreamy cobalt]

I was thinking of it carrying only one, but do you think two would be better at a lower capacity?

I can delete blunderbuss then

[thin remnant]

dont get demoralized by the dislikes. I think its a cool idea, just needs a few balance tweaks

[dreamy cobalt]

I figured it would get some backlash 🤣

[thin remnant]

thats inevitable with such a unique recommendation haha

[dreamy cobalt]

Honestly a Blunderbuss could be another cool option as a separate weapon

[thin remnant]

super high damage short range shotty i dig it

like an anti-ai cannon

[dreamy cobalt]

As you said though it would definitely need some tweaking

[thin remnant]

anyway i dont wanna make your idea for you, all i wanna tell you is i think its a cool idea including the blunderbuss.

[dreamy cobalt]

Maybe like 4 shots at like 400 damage as a separate medium weapon

[dreamy cobalt]

No worries I appreciate it

[thin remnant]

i just like the whole idea of a handheld cannon that goes boom. sounds satisfying

[dreamy cobalt]

Same lol

Made the Blunderbuss a separate weapon suggestion #game-ideas message

[unborn dagger]

I got massively disliked because of my idea being that incendiary ammo should take one shot to set someone on fire and then look what happened.

[carmine cargo]

@bitter vortex whats wrong with the suggestion?

[brisk timber]

tbf it is a shitty change nobody asked for

[unborn dagger]

And that's your opinion, not a fact.

If it was a shitty change everyone would be complaining about it but so far I'm only seeing people complain about MMR, Rain, and, the pop up whenever you are respeccing health

[brisk timber]

What? Ofc its a fact. Right here page 37 of my factcheck book there reads: "Incendiary ammo igniting hunters on first hit was a shitty change"
You see. No way around it

[unborn dagger]

Ah I see, I stand corrected

[brisk timber]

The Pax Buntline tho

Thats a neat idea

But thats why we will never get it

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
Not every gun needs to be top performer in the same category. The springfield got dumdum and hv which help with damage or headshot potential. While its ammo is still pretty subpar regarding penetration and damage dropoff.

So while the martini hasnt the fastest mv or fancy special ammos like the springfield - it makes up for it with brute power. Its long ammo while still having respectable rate of fire (even more so with its ironside variant) also sets it aside from the sparks which is fairly slow in comparison.

So you have a solid hitter for a cheap price which has its tradeoffs a skilled player can somewhat play around.

The mindset of giving so many special ammo types to many different guns is concerning because it destroys guns niches and personality.

[dusky tapir]

The martini henry reloads just as fast as the springfield at 143 damage with long ammo pen
It absolutely is not missing a niche

[hot vigil]

With the Scottfield getting HV we are beyond the threshold of me believing Crytek care about weapon niches anymore.

[tribal wyvern]

Either im delusional or just incredibly stupid & blind. (or 3rd option, the ppl complaining are delusional & need to gitgud)
But can SOMEONE show me all these supposed hackers/cheaters that plague this game on the hour ?

Everyday 10 ppl saying hackers/cheaters everywhere, but so far 0 videos, 0 screenshots, nothing.
If you died with a pistol through a concrete wall, a simple screenshot would be easy.
But nope.

[vital fractal]

Crytek doesn’t care about weapon niches any more lmao

It’s why we have Berty marksmen, nagant family Dum Dum, centy dum dum, Scottfield dum dum/hv, and no pax variants

The only healthy change to custom ammo so far was the addition of HV to the springfield since it actually makes sense

I mean you could argue the Vetterli was a precursor to this issue along with the krag having a minor play in this as well depending on how you look at it but definitely the vetterli with its variant bloat as well

[little jackal]

can't wait for the scott carbine

just to keep the joke running

[brisk timber]

@gaunt geyser

i think exactly this is already ingame (Fang Shearer)

but ofc its locked behind some limited battlepass shit like always

[carmine needle]

yeah, looks exactly like the first image

sorry the skin is event exclusive tho, hopefully they will bring them back someday

[brave kettle]

@tired elm Johnny Topside: Title: Overhauled Necromancer so snipers who die will teleport o other zone and can snipe again? and if u kill player from afar you even can't loot him because he teleports to other side of the map

[brisk timber]

i think its a good indicator to see which people upvoted and clearly show they dont understand nothing about balancing xD

[next yarrow]

For some reason a lot of the people complaining about "being shot in the back" by Necro solos think that there would be less of that if the solo teleported to a random location after death (they still know your location, though)

[turbid hound]

#game-ideas message this kind of tool is fairly recent thing, that makes it time inappropriate

MPL-50(МПЛ-50) stands for "Small Infantry Shovel 50cm" by the way

[brazen gyro]

Was invented in 1869

the image is just a newer version because I couldnt find an image of older ones that didnt look utterly ruined

[dreamy cobalt]

Shovel goes bonk 👍

[dreamy cobalt]

How much damage would it possibly deal and would it be a small or medium slot weapon?

[turbid hound]

it seems that you're right, pardon me

[brazen gyro]

I'm not versed enough on hunt to give exact numbers, but I originally imagined it as a tool, like the knife. If it takes a weapon slot instead though, probably a single slot, as it fits snugly into belts much like revolvers.

[turbid hound]

but i think it is too big for a tool slot

[dreamy cobalt]

I think it would be good as a small slot weapon, as a sort of large complement to the knuckle knife

[brazen gyro]

could actually make it do more knuckle knife levels of damage, but give it quick animations if its a weapon slot.

[turbid hound]

bat + machete basically

[dreamy cobalt]

I’d imagine that the heavy melee could cut barbed wire as well

[brazen gyro]

Indeed. They were given sharp edges for cutting iirc.

[dreamy cobalt]

Good idea 👍

[arctic flame]

@lean sky they already had 60 minutes In game and people just hide all the game im a 5-6 stars player and people in 3-4 stars mostly just crouch all the game so adding more time it’s a bad idea

[tired elm]

Yeah this is a very fair point actually, hadn’t thought of that, I personally don’t think necro is an issue, but Twas just a shower thought

[carmine needle]

I had no issues with Necro... until this event. I don't leave down hunters unburned unless I know we've wiped the whole team. But the time it takes to burn out hunters with this event is just annoying. I'd love for them to add something to that- layers of burning, the more lanterns/firebombs/etc you set a hunter on fire with, the faster they burn- teammates can do something besides stand there waiting. I don't mind solos being able to self rez, and to be able to do that with full health, as I do think that's only fair since they are at a disadv. against duos/trios (MMR stuff is a whole other issue)... but there should be a way for folks to speed up the burning.

[rotund obsidian]

Bout to bring 12 firebombs and just absolutely pelt the first guy we down with them all so that they burn out instantly

[carmine needle]

lol exactly

on the same, i also think hellfire should burn hunters at 2x the speed

but regardless, while i'm enjoying the event, am looking forward to camping bodies just a little less

We did kill a self rez solo who was covered in 2 concertina bombs with bees while looking for lanturns. that was funny.

[rotund obsidian]

meh, hellfires are strong enough compared to normal firebombs.

[carmine needle]

they burn undowned hunters faster, right?

why not also burn downed hunters faster?

[unborn smelt]

because it's a tradeoff not an upgrade...

[carmine needle]

fair. less time, more burn

[unborn smelt]

the hellfire has the upside of instantly taking 25HP but being very short lasting in return

[carmine needle]

understandable on that front

[unborn smelt]

the firebomb deals very little dmg but stays for a long time

so better for area denial and in this case where you can't run out while dead also for burning

[carmine needle]

fair. makes sense then

[brazen gyro]

@carmine needle I think hunters that are "downed" are straight up dead, and thus don't breath anyway (otherwise why dont other hunters just check for breathing/double tap you?) Necro/another player reviving you is using bayou magic shit to bring you back from death, with the bounty enhancing this ability to the point of ripping them straight from the afterlife. Burning works, because after a while, theres only so much left to bring back.

[rotund obsidian]

I gotta test salveskin against ignition vs ground fire tbh, I've been meaning to for a while

[rotund obsidian]

they do breathe, at least it plays a breathing sound when you're downed and trying to listen around you

[brazen gyro]

I assume thats more you holding on as a spirit, more than actual breathing, due to the course, dark tone of it even as a female hunter.

[carmine needle]

wut. they literally breathe while downed- they don't do that when dead.

That's why you need the bounty when you have died- it takes more than the blood of your brethren to bring you back.

[thin remnant]

does hv need a nerf?

also wtf did they give the SCOTTFIELD hv while i had a break from the game??????

[rotund obsidian]

hv should have some downside besides recoil, i think

only thing i can think of that makes any sense is weaker pen

[low inlet]

Wouldn’t make sense

[brisk timber]

higher velocity realistically comes with higher pen tho

[low inlet]

Little less damage would make sense

[low inlet]

Yeah

[brisk timber]

yea

[low inlet]

Realistically

Over pen would affect damage

[rotund obsidian]

nah sometimes going faster compromises bullet integrity on impact, leading to less penetration

[low inlet]

Less force transfer due to more penetration

[low inlet]

You’d make the bullet more durable in that case

Problem solved

[rotund obsidian]

congrats, now it is heavier and travels slower. oops i just reinvented fmj

[low inlet]

That would mean more damage

[rotund obsidian]

i mean it already goes faster and doesn't deal extra damage, and it doesn't penetrate players anyway

[low inlet]

Then it shouldn’t have another downside besides recoil

[rotund obsidian]

the recoil is completely irrelevant on anything besides the semi-autos and double actions, which is dumb because it becomes a straight upgrade over base

[low inlet]

More expensive less ammo

[rotund obsidian]

besides special resupply but that's not enough of a downside for any other ammo types

[low inlet]

Better gaming chair

Lights out

Move slower

Wait for everyone else to make the first move

Be patient

You could always cut off bounty at extraction

Do gator strats

Ok

Seems like you just need a new gaming chair

[vital fractal]

Speaking of bullets

If Spitzer is a combination of HV and FMJ with combination of both traits of fmj and HV

FMJ should have a damage penalty too, as supported by Spitzers descriptive reasoning of losing damage

FMJ= less deformation = more penetration but also less serious wound channel so less damage

[low inlet]

Yeah

Realistic

Makes sense

[vital fractal]

FMJ should only have a damage positive over base ammo after penning something, to keep the pen niche but otherwise-

Should do less damage than base

[low inlet]

Also makes sense

[rotund obsidian]

narrower but also deeper wound channel i would imagine, which magically never actually exits. spitzer comes clean out the other side and keeps going so less momentum is lost and transferred into your guts

[low inlet]

Exactly

Bullets are designed to prevent over penetration because it’s less deadly than if it stopped right in your stomach

Except for larger rounds that have excellent penetration and stopping power at the same time

Like a .50

[vital fractal]

I get what you’re saying but I’m just going off of the flavor text of the Spitzer round + logic that’s already in the game

I mean all of the base ammo in the game should be able to hit two people standing next to eachother but to keep Spitzer as an exotic special ammo with a niche too

I wouldn’t consider the lack of multi body pen to justify the damage currently

[rotund obsidian]

I'm gonna factor in the supernatural durability of our hunters as the reason fmj doesn't exit

[vital fractal]

At the end of the day I get it’s a game hence balancing but I do think FMJ is a bit unbalanced for what you give up on medium and compact weapons and feel like it would be a rather balanced change

And it would be justifiable too so, even better

[rotund obsidian]

I dunno, I see people in this discord still calling fmj garbage because the mv is so important

[vital fractal]

Yeah I also see Spitzer being called the god ammo for its MV but for 99% of players- it’s a straight downgrade lmao

[rotund obsidian]

meanwhile i have never seen someone be like "nah high velocity is bad because the recoil is so bad on the vetterli with it'

I've heard it for the bornheim and you could argue for the officer but the wonky recoil still gets fixed with high velo on the carbine, i think

[vital fractal]

HV is also a weird ammo balance wise

I mean recoil isn’t that bad of an issue with it, although muzzle flash out of a silenced weapon is a great touch of balance, but it also isn’t like an upgrade to any other stat rather than MV with can be circumvented with skill

FMJ buffs cannot be circumvented

*although bornheim silenced does get like 5 more m of headshot range with hv lmao

[rotund obsidian]

it gets WHAT.

[vital fractal]

Yeah it’s bugged

[rotund obsidian]

lmfao

[low inlet]

Give it more muzzle flash on hv

[vital fractal]

You get a couple more m of headshot range

I don’t think other silenced weapons do tho

[rotund obsidian]

I forget the muzzle flash thing for hv tbh.

[vital fractal]

It’s not in the stats page tho, go on the range to test it for yourself

[low inlet]

Do silencers increase range?

[vital fractal]

Reduce

[low inlet]

Doesn’t make sense

[vital fractal]

Yes it does

[rotund obsidian]

he's saying that hv specifically increases the headshot range on the bornheim silencer, over the base ammo

[low inlet]

Balance wise yes

Irl no

[rotund obsidian]

which it shouldn't, because it's a bug

[vital fractal]

Silencers require subsonic (slow rounds) -> lower kinetic energy -> lower damage

You can compensate with heavier rounds but only to a point, and even then, only so much energy is needed on soft targets so- still makes sense

[low inlet]

You don’t need subsonic for suppressors

[rotund obsidian]

you do if you want them to be completely inaudible from like 20 meters lol

[vital fractal]

The round will create a sonic boom otherwise, defeating the purpose of the silencer…

[low inlet]

Yeah but you don’t need it

Not required

But it will make it quieter

[vital fractal]

[rotund obsidian]

what is the bornheim silencer's muzzle velocity?

is it slower than the speed of sound? lol

[low inlet]

Subsonic and suppressed .22s out of a pistol are so quiet

[vital fractal]

343 m/s is speed of sound

[vital fractal]

So anything below that would be subsonic

(Given 20c in relatively low humidity)

[low inlet]

Not in the bayou

[vital fractal]

True, bayou is very moist and very 35c-40c

[rotund obsidian]

I guess the muzzle flash is a tangible downside that affects the non-spammy guns with high velo, but it's still a pretty miniscule downside that really only affects a small subset of weapons that can take it (silencers)

[vital fractal]

Yeah as I said

[low inlet]

You could add more muzzle flash to all hv

[vital fractal]

FMJ is a straight upgrade in most cases

HV has upgrades for sure with no real downside but the upgrades on HV (unlike FMJ) can be circumvented with skill, where as no matter how good you are with base- you cannot alter damage output at range with skill

[low inlet]

With or without suppresor

[rotund obsidian]

It already does, I think, but it's such a small thing for unsuppressed guns

[vital fractal]

The muzzle flash on silenced guns can really ruin your ambush though

[low inlet]

It does

[vital fractal]

Especially at night or when your shadow/bush camping

[rotund obsidian]

The suppressors have no muzzle flash, and high velo reintroduces it, meanwhile a non-suppressed gun (for example, vetterli) with high velo will have a slightly larger flash than normal (unless it's placebo, i've never noticed a bigger flash)

[low inlet]

I’ve spotted a muzzle flash that otherwise I would’ve been ambushed successfully

Make it louder too

[vital fractal]

Yeah, but again HV is predominant in the officer because it’s now habit to take it with it- and the MV does make it easier to land shots

I think it’s balanced despite the benefits on paper because it’s really just preference at this point if the patches and updates did work on unbugging the recoil pattern on the Officer with HV

FMJ however… I don’t think is properly balanced

[low inlet]

Fmj should have less base damage but retain the damage on pen

[rotund obsidian]

I think fmj is just a bit weird.

if you lower the base damage of FMJ i think it will just flat out kill the ammo type. Never to be seen again.

[vital fractal]

Yeah, but as it stands it’s just a straight upgrade to compact/med in most situations

[rotund obsidian]

I don't think FMJ is overpowered, but I do find the increased dropoff to be a weird balancing point

It used to only be the increased pen for lower mv, right? and nobody used it? or was i fed misinformation on the past

[vital fractal]

No clue

[low inlet]

Idk

It’s just in a really weird limbo

Of being unbalanceable

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-philosophy-philosophical-choices-will-difficult-marvel-gif-16615025

Just remove fmj from the game

[rotund obsidian]

just make compact pen not horrible and that'd be a worthy sacrifice

[low inlet]

True

[rotund obsidian]

i take long fmj tho so it'd still be sad

60m martini dropoff goes brazy

krag too

[low inlet]

It must be done

You can’t balance fmj without ruining it

Without making it unusable or op

[kind canopy]

Is it just me, or does the sound sometimes go from normal to no sound at all for several seconds without any apparent reason?

[thin remnant]

imo bornheim/avto/dolch etc dont fit hunt showdown. avto is kinda cool as a super overpowered "uh oh he has an avto" weapon but i feel like nitro kinda fits that role already

[brazen gyro]

Nitro is a "Boom, you're dead kiddo." kinda weapon, wheras the avto is the "Sir! They're in that direction!" "Rodger, removing that direction." kinda weapon.

[steel comet]

Fmj was basically unused when it only gave extra pen and no other benefits.
I'd say HV is the ammo with a direct upgrade with no tradeoff.

[low inlet]

True

[unborn dagger]

Yeah that whole thing with hv ammo having "additional recoil" seems very minimal

[hot vigil]

Especially when they keep putting HV on low firerate/single fire weapons.

[thin remnant]

https://discordapp.com/channels/350201607788429323/524577494863708180/1171352598893305916 could be cool if you need a tool to do it like a lighter

[vital fractal]

I mean that sounds a lot more balanced than it is now where it also reduces damage drop off

[dusky tapir]

?

fmj increases damage range

I think HV drop stays the same