feedback-discussion

[hollow raft]

for realism it comes down the the center of gravity and ergonomics of the gun

[hot vigil]

Also guess Obrez should have longer bolt cycle, as I cannot imagine it being easy to cycle a bolt without being able to brace the stock against your shoulder.

[hollow raft]

I wonder if sway increasing the longer you hold an ADS should be something Hunt should have

the Tarkov ADS stamina mechanic

[hot vigil]

Nah, it would be counter intuitive with traits such as steady aim.

[hollow raft]

It's also what prevents completely silent ratting in that game EDIT: to some degree

since you can hear the player ADS and un-ADS to recover stamina

and there is ADS audio in Hunt, of the Hunter intaking breath

[hot vigil]

Think the sway and aim system is fine

Just want them to be a little more inspired with their balancing.

Kinda eh that every gun have the same stat, but then again, it might end up that the modern bolt action guns becomes even better.

Bc they are lighter and more ergonomic

[steady prism]

Agreed

[hardy coral]

Reducing bolty damage below 125 is a big buff to the krag.

[hot vigil]

Krag would need to be adjusted a little ofc

[hardy coral]

The main downside is that it doesn't deal 125+. This would just make the long ammo bolties awkward relative to even stuff like the centennial.

[unborn smelt]

With them balancing so much around that 125 dmg mark it would be very awkward.

At this point i think more ways to regain lost health is the way to go - and looking at the past events they seem to experiment with that

[hot vigil]

Not really, they would just push long ammo out to, well, long distance.

Mosin still 2-taps at 159m.
Cenny 2-tap range caps at 63m.

That is with the extra damage, so Krag is a better example with a 2-tap range at 116m.

And you could tweak long ammo, so it have better damage retention, so it deals the sub 125 damage, but retain its 2-tap range for longer.

[mystic ridge]

Basically why is long ammo so good

[queen jungle]

love me my ping abusers on eu servers, so much fun
he literally just shot me around the corner, idc if its fair gameplay wise, im behind the corner on the server and it decides to kill me after that , but good that the other player still saw me 200ms delayed behind that corner ig, fun gameplay

imagine playing a shooter that allows someone to have a ping of 225, i still dont get this

[mystic ridge]

Why aren't you 225mshater

[queen jungle]

true

i just love trading

[dusky tapir]

obtain proficiency and shoot them in the back

[queen jungle]

maybe i should sit back

and play the game like dennis wants us to play

headsman, sit in bush

[mystic ridge]

Bush means no corner to get shot behind, really makes you think

[queen jungle]

excatly

[brisk timber]

Gotta compliment this with a sniper gun tho

[cedar sky]

Im so tired of this broken flash , are you going to do anything at all??

[queen jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cxyduck-cxydck-cexiy-cxy-smoke-gif-19436064

sooo nerfing dolch took them 3 years

nerfing avto like a year or more?

i think your chances of flash getting nerfed are....

maybe if racta makes a video

[cedar sky]

Flash 5,5 years and still going…

[queen jungle]

it is what it is

[cedar sky]

True, but after some streamers pointed it out, its everywhere

It was less of a problem before

[queen jungle]

yea and crytek isnt gonna do anything about it for another year

same as always

[mystic ridge]

He just did

[unborn smelt]

First of all, they don't see you 200 ms delayed. Ping is how long a packet of info travels to the server and back - so they see you with 100 ms delay to the server.

And then that is a symetrical delay, so they also see you leave cover, for example to peek, with a 100ms delay.

So all that happens is you thought you would make it to cover, but the server decides you never actually reached cover

I get that it can feel bad - but the high ping player has absolutely no advantage in that scenario

[obsidian narwhal]

yeah, except that in long ammo you've got the sparks, which is 50-70

and that's, well, 50 cal

so bigger than .45

the LargeMat is also along the lines of at least 45-70 given how huge the cartridges are

or at the very least 30-40

[steady prism]

Which is why i dont think 3 ammo categories are enough

The .300 rifle cartridges should have a category of their own

[obsidian narwhal]

like look at this shit - on the left are SuperMat cartridges and on the right is a nitro cartridge

For reference, this is a nitro cartridge and a lebel cartridge

[vital fractal]

Sparks is .45-120 I thought? (I mean the classic biggest sparks cartridge, maybe .45-130)

[obsidian narwhal]

Not according to Wikipedia

though it's kinda unclear because there's apparently a long range sharps that shoots 45/90

[vital fractal]

Yeah so

Considering it came in many cartridge loads it could be any HOWEVER

if you look at the ballistic capabilities implied by the weapons book, I think it would be safe to assume it would be one of the larger offerings if not the largest offering at the time from sharps-

So I think it being .45-120 makes more sense

Since the uppercut is some how .45-70 as a long

And the centennial is supposedly either .45-70 or .45-90 as a medium

I think the LeFat is probably just a made up cartridge based on the compact lemat cartridge but lengthened- my assumption is some sort of .38 cartridge that’s been lengthened- maybe .40 if we want to assume there’s been an actual increase in diameter

(I say this because when reloading the LeFat, the cartridges seem really skinny)

[obsidian narwhal]

wait isn't the centennial 40-60?

LeFat lmao

i like this suggestion

actually there was some speculation about the SuperMat cartridge being a straightened 30-40 krag cartridge

or an older 45-70

(see left, looks a LOT like the LeFat's cartridge)

however the promo pic for the supermat shows that the cartridge is much skinnier than a 47-70

[queen jungle]

yea, im not talking about fairness, im simply saying that i dont want to play with these ppl cuz they are ruining the game for everyone

[karmic ivy]

They are not ruining anything for me, and I undoubtedly play with them as I play on US west at odd hours.

[hollow raft]

that is straight cap, and you may not feel like they are not ruining the game for you

but it is factual that the Chinese players playing in NA West increase the number of trades possible

[hardy coral]

It feels bad but most of it is just you psyching yourself out.

[hollow raft]

If you couldn't feel it when you traded, then it might be different

but every time I trade, I can accurately guess if the user is or is not playing from China, before I "flip their card", open their profile, and see they were in fact from China

[unborn smelt]

It is not...

otherwise i'd be glad to see some of the sources to those facts

[hollow raft]

I'll amend that it can be China or South American, but it is consistent

[trail carbon]

Just saying, whenever I have had a trade that nears an entire second or more, it has not been from people exclusively in China. Some have been from the USA as well.

It has to do with several factors, and while high ping certainly doesn't help, it is not the only factor to consider here

[hollow raft]

Then it may be that my own experience of strangely disassociated trades being from foreign players

[trail carbon]

Well, to be fair, it is a higher likelihood that foreign players will trade. This is unfortunately due to the fact that average internet quality is high in the States compared to many other countries. Only European countries have a similar internet quality standard

[hollow raft]

yes, it is a higher likelihood for foreign players. Domestic players can have disassociated trades, but it's much less of a pattern

at least again, in my own experience, it is for foreign players

[unborn smelt]

last info i got was ping is not a factor for how often trades occur

[hollow raft]

that is all I can testify for and I am not saying this out of feels, but when checking users after matches after experiencing odd trades

[unborn smelt]

it can certainly make em feel worse tho, and is the cause for stuff like seemingly dying in cover

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I downed my friend in the shooting range and he apparently killed me almost a full second after he died. He lives like 15 miles from me.

He had 45 ping and I had 50

[unborn smelt]

the reason ping, according to my last information, isn't the cause for trades is because hunt uses clientside hitreg in combination with serverside validation

the latter of which should ensure that a players client can't just create more shots after being already deemed dead on the server

[deft lichen]

sounds like a smart system

[trail carbon]

My theory is that trading happens because of a server-side problem, not client side

[unborn smelt]

well that's why just about every game nowadays uses this system

[deft lichen]

yeah, it's pretty common

[unborn smelt]

Well - trading as a phenomenon is entirely normal and to be expected

because hunt is not hitscan

[hollow raft]

Also then how are the long-range melees from foreign players explained?

8m bomblance slashes

[unborn smelt]

hunt's system is projectile based, and said projectiles have their own travel time.

[hardy coral]

Melee hits still travel and obviously take time to register based on ping. You can die from further away in the same way how the ping works with bullets.

[unborn smelt]

This i cannot answer for sure - but my theory is that once you issued the melee command before death it will be finished

however a melee weapon doesn't deal dmg the moment the command is issued - only when the swing actually connects

[crystal plume]

Also it's not like trading is a "problem" technically, they specifically made a change to stop shots from not registering when you were already dead server side as it lead to a lot of "hitreg no work" complaints

Which leads to more trades where previously the shots would've not registered

[unborn smelt]

but just to emphasize that's my personal theory

if you take an axe for example and do an out of stamina light attck - you can see if you just click, it takes a really long time to ready, and perform the swing

to the point it feels like it takes more than an entire second froy you giving the input "perform light melee attack (left click)" to you actually hitting smth like a grunt

[hardy coral]

Which is why some melee attacks are garbage vs players (even with melee being trash anyway).

Which is why the saber is basically the only semi-viable choice for pvp melee.

[hollow raft]

this

[hollow raft]

and this, seem to be contrary

[unborn smelt]

no it's not

what people commonly call the "trading changes"

was a series of changes based on player feedback

what happened, according to the devs, was that a projectile created serverside before dying would be invalidated mid flight

which led to countless clips of people making shots shortly before dying which should have hit, but were unfairly invalidated

basically if you are dead serverside, but not clientside yet (due to ping or whatever), and then the client tries to create a projectile it, should be invalidated by serverside validation

if you are alive serverside, create a projectile serverside, then die, the projectile should not be invalidated (which were the wrongful invalidations crytek fixed - and what lead to more trades)

[hollow raft]

what about the factor of higher ping creating rush advantage?

[unborn smelt]

serverside validation ensures it doesn't

i guess you mean "peekers advantage"

[karmic ivy]

^ I concur. Its the lesser of the evils as they say.

[hollow raft]

same yes, rush and peek

[unborn smelt]

peekers advantage is the idea that a high ping player can use their high ping to peek and shoot, before you can see the peek on your end due to the ping causing a delay

the part people are missing here is that the shot also has the same delay the peek has

[karmic ivy]

This is a good point and not often brought up. an unstable connection can cause the same.

[unborn smelt]

basically say there's a player with 200 ms ping, they initiate a peek, the info they mooved out of cover to peek takes 100ms (half of the ping) to reach the server.

the server takes another "half your ping" ms to show you the info they peeked

now if they try to shoot you, the information of the shot also takes the same 100 ms to reach the server from the peekers client

so you have "half your ping" in time to react to the peek you see

this is not hunt specific - but explains it very well with R6 siege as an example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXEmbUkDkgo

R6 too usues clientside hitreg, and serverside validation (as nearly every game does in this day and age)

[hollow raft]

So in practical use, why is it that Rachta can create content about the issue of high ping

[unborn smelt]

Now the peeker still has an advantage - but that doesn't come from your own high ping

but from the peeker having an "advantage" on reaction time because they know when they are about to peek

[hardy coral]

He said in the video that it doesn't effect hitreg, just that it feels bad.

[unborn smelt]

because it's a very common myth - and lots of people like to believe them loosing was "unfair" instead of their fault

[hardy coral]

And that player experience would be improved by a lower ping limit.

[unborn smelt]

and the way ping and lag compensation works is a kinda tough topic

for some people it's hard to imagine how what they see on their screen is not 100% the "true" state of the game, but it's an approximation what the true state of the game will likely be, before the server tries to merge, in hunt's case 12 diffrent clients diffrent game "versions"

[hollow raft]

So if everything is server verified, the long-distance foreign player's shot is or is not invalidated, if it takes longer than your own shot to reach the domestic server?

[hardy coral]

You can see this easily through spectating.

[hollow raft]

Your shot is verified in 15ms, meanwhile the foreign player's shot is verified in 170ms

or is this incorrect?

[deft lichen]

well, that's a significant difference in verification time. It could definitely impact the outcome of engagements, especially at long distances.

[hollow raft]

in a trade scenario

[unborn smelt]

shot validation is not about traveltime of the projectile, it's about travel time of data between client and server

[unborn smelt]

yes

[hollow raft]

that is what I addressed, the time of the real world distance

not the in game bullet travel

[unborn smelt]

basically if they have 340 ping it takes 170 ms to validat their shot serverside

(assuming the shot is still valid by the time it reaches the server)

if you manage to land a killshot, which kills them serverside before they could create their projectile serverside, it should be invalidated

[deft lichen]

wait, so if you kill them before they can shoot, their shot shouldn't count?

[unborn smelt]

if you kill them before the bullet is created serverside - yes

if you kill them while the bullet was created serverside already, but hasn't hit you yet, no -> this is how a trade happens

[karmic ivy]

I think that explains why RachtaZ was trading much more when he played with his ping at 220ish ms. One can assume he played against opponents that had low and high latency, so that factor did not really change. What changed is HIS latency. I wondered about that.

[vital fractal]

I see your point, but that looks way too beefy compared to in game- a lengthened ~.38 seems the most likely

I would like if Crytek would specify cartridges when possible, maybe in the Liber De Arms

[unborn smelt]

At that high ping he will basically minimize his "peekers advantage" and allow people with slower reactions to still get a shot off

because you can kill a guy peeking if you react to his peek in the time it took them to aim and shoot you - your ping

say a guy peeks and from the beginn if the peek to them shooting you they take 500ms on their client. If you have a ping of 50ms you have to react within 500ms - 50ms for a total of 450ms, after seeing their peek to come out victorious

if it takes you longer it's a trade or you loose without even trading

[karmic ivy]

Ah good information, that fills in a few peices that I had not yet figured out.

[unborn smelt]

if we assume the same 500ms but you now have 200 ms ping yourself, you need to react withing 300ms

so you need to be much faster compared to your opponent to win, and they have an easier time trading or even winning

another thing why so many people feel it's high ping players that get fishy kills is perspective

[karmic ivy]

I am pretty sure I can avoid getting kill trades now that I have gotten the "feel" for the system. And now I think I can say that what I am feeling is that "window" that I have to work with. Once you get a feel for it, with that particular enemy. It seems to be just a matter of keeping your engagments in your favor, or in this case in that window of advantage. I would say, the key is in the timing of the combat. This of course is challenging, but something that can be learned by feel.

[unborn smelt]

if a high ping player peeks you with 200ms ping, they see where the server has your position 100ms ago, if within that time you retreat around a corner, the high ping player can basically shoot your "ghost" of where you were [100ms - your own half ping] before while you may never see them as you on your client already mooved away

[deft lichen]

wait, so they can shoot me even though I've already moved away? that's messed up

[unborn smelt]

those are situations where you think someone with high ping shot you before you couls see em - but it really all boils down to perspective

[unborn smelt]

yes and no

[deft lichen]

what do you mean by "yes and no"? Can you clarify?

[unborn smelt]

this loops back down to it being hard to grasp for people that what you see on your screen is not the truth

it's an approximation of what the server thinks the "truth" whill be - but after running some validations and latency compensation, the server agreed with the high ping players client that - if you both had 0 ping, you would have never reached cover to beginn with

so your not experiencing an unfair death "around a corner", you just experience your death with a dealay that made you believe you were around the corner

now i fully agree that this feels bad in the heat of the moment - but it's ultimately the most fair solution the game can offer

[karmic ivy]

I try to imagine it like I am towing a trailer and if they hit the trailer, it still counts. It keeps me alive. And feels better if you understand it, then you can "feel" like you can at least DO something about it.

[unborn smelt]

because the other options would be bigger issues, one other option would be not allow people to mooce until the server "waited for the highest ping players action" and then synced you all up - basically you couldn't play realtime but wout play a roundbased game then

or a player would be permanently disadvantaged (even more than already) for living further away from the server than someone else

or another option is if the server had reign over peoples positions during hitreg (not the shooters client) you'd need to adjsut for network latency while aiming and leading targets

[unborn dagger]

I find it so weird that medium ammo can't pierce through metal sheets.

[karmic ivy]

because that is the job of medium full metal jacket.

[hardy coral]

Medium is just compact+, that's how it is balanced.

[analog willow]

I'd sign up for 4v4 or 5v5 Capture the Flag tournaments. That would be so cool. Have teams and a prize pool

[hot vigil]

@sick fern not a bad idea on paper, just think it is a little too over complicated.

[sick fern]

Yeah that's fair, I just don't like the idea of completely removing the white out effect with a concussed effect I guess

[hollow raft]

Any feedback discussion for these?

Results seem half and half about having a reactive counter
Somewhat favorable 2/3 but also unfavored 1/3 for removing the audio deafening on Flash Bombs

I know many people are asking to have a "just don't look at it" counter for the Flash Bomb
but flash bombs are only viable currently because you as the victim or the target victim can't simply just flick away from it

that is much easier and stronger of a counter than having to pull up Dark SIght, putting down weapons, still gambling for how long that you need to keep yourself unarmed to counter the Flash Bomb impact but bring your weapon up in time for the pushing enemy

Also should note that I might be calling it "reactive", but that's because it would still work but be foolish to constantly hold Dark SIght longer than necessary in anticipation of a flash

[lusty basalt]

no

[trail oasis]

Just remove the flash bomb tbh. It does not belong to hunt alongside the fact its broken with no counter and just make the victim feel like getting screwed hard by crytek everytime

[rotund obsidian]

Flash bomb would be absolute dogwater if it became completely unreliable like that, and yet somehow still just as frustrating to die to when you get full flashed by a flashbomb you had 3 milliseconds to react to. There doesn't need to be a full-on "counter" to flashes, they just need to be reworked. Flashes should be weaker if quickly throwing without holding (so like, charging up in power the longer you cook em, probably with a louder sound too) and I do like the idea of being able to see in darksight while blinded, so you aren't just stuck in a corner if you haven't memorized 100% of map geometry.

Balancing something by giving it counters doesn't make it any less frustrating when it works on you, it just makes it more frustrating to use when it's inconsistent because of something out of your control.

[oak plaza]

Question what would you guys think if they reworked the rifled long ammo weapons which do 125+ damage? do be more simulare to the krag damage wise of 124? Just because after you get downed once you are always body tap for those weapons.

(This would exclude the sparks and the martini because they are single shot?) havent givin this much thought tbh

[rotund obsidian]

I'd rather they just lose some falloff range so that they can't do it from as far.

30m dropoff for long fr

[worthy knoll]

Yeah was to make the Mosin garbage

[rotund obsidian]

mosin's had it too good for too long

[oak plaza]

Mosin has been at the top since for ever xD

[unborn smelt]

Generally i'd be a fan of that.

But too much of the balance already happened around that 125 dmg treshold, so it'd really create a tonn of extra work

[rotund obsidian]

nerf uppercut to 124 ong

[unborn smelt]

Too many guns to differentiate them all while being sub 125

[oak plaza]

True I just find it silly that the damage and the range these guns get make it that they will always be the best and lets be real money is not a way of balancing in this game

[unborn smelt]

At this point in time, i think ots easier to rework the lost HP system. Maybe differentiate between burnt HP and HP lost due to death

[rotund obsidian]

just bring back remedy

[unborn smelt]

Or generally allow diffrent ways to regain max hp through gameplay

[worthy knoll]

I agree with that. Also Uppermat one Slot...

[rotund obsidian]

hell naw no uppermat one slot

just nerf uppercut

[oak plaza]

What about allowing smaller health chunks? could be a easy fix and it woudnt change much besides self necro

[rotund obsidian]

10 chunks to solo necro with WOOOH

[oak plaza]

but the solos arnt the issue imma be real just burn em

[unborn smelt]

I just want to see them experiment with HP more

I liked remedy a lot

[rotund obsidian]

would also just allow more revives in general tbh, which idk about

[worthy knoll]

Why? Its garbage, 120 dmg, Painfully slow reload, and before you say something about the Shotgun Barrel (With slugs). Its the Same as the normal LeMat and Nobody uses that one...

[unborn smelt]

More than the burn trait to not loose HP

[worthy knoll]

Or, hot Take: Uppercut 2 Slot

[rotund obsidian]

its not garbage at all its just overpriced

uppercut just needs to lose the 125 breakpoint

[oak plaza]

how about just for the first I guess 25 bar its split in 2

[worthy knoll]

Its ALSO overpriced, Like Drilling.

[dusky tapir]

@sick fern I like your assailant tips
One thing that's also bothersome about assailant is that it still keeps throwing axes melee dmg capped at 149

[rotund obsidian]

me when i pull up to a fight with 137.5 hp and still get oneshotted in the body

[oak plaza]

I mean mosin is 136 soooooo

[rotund obsidian]

half of a single hp point is weird and overcomplicates the healthbar system tbh

[oak plaza]

Just food for thought tho I find it silly that you get downed once and you are one tap to everyone in a lobby

[rotund obsidian]

we just need better ways to replenish bars outside of fights

i think it's mainly problematic because you are onetap at ranges of like 50-60m

56m for mosin, 68m sparks, 63m martini

[oak plaza]

samething for berthi and Lebel :3

[rotund obsidian]

berthi is actually only 47 and lebel is 51 but yea its still not great

[oak plaza]

Thats still nutty

[rotund obsidian]

however, slap fmj on that sparks and youve got a oneshot at 88m

[oak plaza]

and the slowest bullet in the universe

I would agree tho they need to experiment with other health replenishment methods or with health ingeneral

I.E. Your idea with Remedy would be nice

[dusky tapir]

400m/s is slow now?

[rotund obsidian]

i mean it aint fast, but that won't stop me from taking it

[worthy knoll]

The Thing that people miss is that, what the Game intends you to do is Cut your losses. If you won a Fight, but have lost 50 Health and a Lot of meds/consumables and the Boss gets Banished. You should leave. There is No Obligation to Fight to the death. But Suggesting that to Players is Like Suggesting they marry their Grandma.

[rotund obsidian]

aha yes i love playing a video game and not interacting with anyone else because they all left since they lost a healthbar ❗

[oak plaza]

i agree with this. Its like cool spawn fight I lose one bar after winning welp guess I have to leave now bc im missing a bar

I will cut my loses if I got no more meds and a extended fight and no one is moving etc. but that bruh

[worthy knoll]

Like I Said, Same as Suggesting you marry your Grandma.

@rotund obsidian No one is obligated to come to you and get one-tapped by you. Would you do the Bounty Team the Same Favour Just so they can interact with someone and get a kill??

I am Not saying "dont Change the health System ever!" I am saying that as far as I am concerned its intended to leave If you loose to much and Fight another day.

Just Personally:
I try to weight my Options. A free Hunter With only Dome Tools bought? Hell yeah I Push With 100 HP.
The Same Hunter has looted 1000? Hell No. To the extract.

A fully kitted Out Hunter With traits that lost 25 and the Boss Lair is full of Uppercut/Mosin/Sparks?
Is the Bounty really Worth this much? Most likely its Not.

[rotund obsidian]

yeah no obviously if you wanna extract go for it, but if you could get your health back would you still extract or would you go fight?

[frigid folio]

I'll fight on any health, only time I won't really is if my team mates don't want to or I've looted 1000+ hunt dollars. Can just buy a new hunter and load out. Can't buy the story you and your friends will have on when you took on all the long ammo Larry's with 50hp and destroyed them 💁‍♂️

[little carbon]

It absolutely would help a lot of they would remove most if not all the non bounty income sources. (And nerfed underdog Boni).
Income and prices are the relevant factors here.
No need to cap money for players or anything like that as long as income is balanced properly.

[worthy knoll]

Hell No! I Love looting for Money ❤️

[little carbon]

And honestly, wild targets are kind of a missed opportunity to offer an alternate form of regaining health with some small changes:

1. Removing the bounty from wild targets. They now serve as a way to regain health. This also gives them a more distinct purpose.
2. having a guaranteed wild target each match. This is fine since they don't compete with the boss anymore.
3. the restoration is triggered at the end of the banishment. Instead of being a team wide effect it's a free for all restoration in an AoE around the wild target. This allows a team to react to an attenpted restoration by pushing the original team out.

[worthy knoll]

And how my Times does that Happen? Compared to the Times you get grazed while having 50 and Just die

[little carbon]

Sorry, should have set out of match non bounty

Looting isn't an issue since it's both relatively low impact and bound to a success

If you want to make plus from looting you need to pretty much not use consumables in the fight

[worthy knoll]

That would again depend: 1. What did I loot so far (50 or 1000?)
2. How hard/how Out of my was would i have to Go to get my health Back.
Bit generally If I am Back at full strength obviously I am more inclines to fighting again!

[worthy knoll]

But that Leaves Cash Registers and purses, which means 50 Dollars Most of the time from Registers, and 1-25 from purses. So Like 100 Dollars of we are generous come from "world Money findings".

[worthy knoll]

Packmule + vulture are your friend 😉

[little carbon]

I am a bit torn on those. But they are a massive time investment if you really want to "grind them out" and they can easily be adjusted by changing the chances for different outcomes.
And 100 isn't that much. Most certainly not enough to allow you to spam high cost weapons consistently if you die often

Dark tribute is the worst offender in terms of free money. And the underdog Boni are just overturned currently.

I'd also like to see respec be changed to have a HD cost but longer removing a point.

Cutting (free) income is the best way to make money matter more.
And as long as guns like the Winfield and Romero, which are both really good even though cheap remain as cheap, running out of money will pretty much always only be a result of major mismanagement.

[hardy coral]

The dark tribute giving bunches of money is also boring.

The upgrade points are so important.

[worthy knoll]

Ecactly. Its Not much, except for the odd 1000 Dollars... Why remove those?

[worthy knoll]

Idk I usually get Just worthless xp

[worthy knoll]

Again the Ratios are important. Most of the time you get Like 120. Thats the Cost of your Tools. Rately you get 700-900 but the % for this can be adjustet

[hardy coral]

The XP reward should also be removed or altered. 500 is nothing.

That's equivalent to 20 bucks at max level lul.

[worthy knoll]

Agreed

[frigid folio]

probably about 30/70 if im on 50 health remaining, otherwise probably about 50/50 if only lost 25-50 health

[worthy knoll]

So 30% Chance to Go for glory. For me thats Not enough. But you do you. This is Not about judging a Playstyle, Just comparing.

[queen jungle]

@dull prawn Flash bombs are simply more realistic in Hunt. Though a five second flash is still rather short.

Personally I don't see the need for something to be changed, it has worked just fine for well over five years.

[dull prawn]

"realistic" and "good" are not the same thing, and while you might be fine with them, lots of players clearly aren't. People have been asking for a nerf to flash bombs for ages now, every day we get at least one person suggesting some kind of nerf or rework or sometimes outright removal, and honestly every time I get flashed lately I find myself tolerating them less and less

[queen jungle]

Realistic = good is a general rule of thumb though and just because some people are unhappy doesn't mean there is an issue ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull prawn]

"some people" does not account for daily, constant requests for a nerf to an item, this is not some "small minority". also there's plenty of examples of realism being eschewed in favor of balance in this game

take shotguns for instance, in real life shotguns are lethal and accurate up to around 50-70 meters, sometimes more depending on the choke

but if they worked like that in hunt they'd be overpowered as fuck and annoying as hell to play against

imagine flachettes range but full buckshot damage - that's "realistic", also they'd be able to headshot the same as any other gun for an instant kill

personally I find flash bombs to be incredibly annoying to play against in every situation as they have literally no counter

"realistic", maybe, "fun"? fuck no

nerf em

[queen jungle]

this is not some "small minority"
For any game, the percentage of players who engage on social media platforms such as Discord is around 1-3%, so anybody on here is part of a minority.
Add to this that happy players rarely express their happiness. They just play the game, while unhappy players are far more vocal, causing feedback to be biased.

Nerfing flash would be another step to making the game more casual and easy and I'm already sad about how far Hunt has gone down that road...

[dull prawn]

oh I see, you're another one of those "hunt is too casul gimmie hardcore only!" players, right right, gotcha

personally I like my games to actually be enjoyable, and everything in hunt that people call "casual" has made it more fun imo

I mean it's pretty clear we're not going to agree on this topic, I hate flash bombs, you think they're fine and that only "casuals" would ever complain about something that renders you completely helpless for 5 solid seconds with no counter that can be (and is regularly) stacked to make encounters entirely one-sided

agree to disagree, I guess, downvote my suggestion and move on, I'm going to keep asking for those fucking things to get nerfed in the mean time

[little jackal]

you can always shoot it mid-air

[dull prawn]

who the hell do I look like? American Vincent Hancock? nine-time american gold medalist skeet shooter?

just nerf the damn things

[dusky tapir]

flash bombs should work if you're looking at them

otherwise flash duration should be greatly reduced

add more skill to flashing someone than "u hit in 8m"

[dull mason]

Flash bomb shouldn't be completely counterable by looking away but it should definitely help imo

[dusky tapir]

never said "completely counterable"

I said "greatly reduced"

[dull mason]

Also needs to be a gradient based on range similar to CSGO, ridiculous that it's either full duration or nothing

[dull mason]

Wasn't targeting you or trying to imply that you said that.

[dusky tapir]

🫂 ù

[dull mason]

<3

[dull prawn]

they need some kind of nerf, regardless

honestly at this point I don't care how it manifests as long as it happens

[dull mason]

Yeah flash bombs are very important to have in the game, but they are definitely not working as they should imo

[alpine gust]

the issue with Rain Map - followed by exit because its just nearby. so it is a waste of time. I hope it is easy to appeal to put back the choice to players which map to play. It also helps with the loadout plan.

[dull mason]

*the issue with playing with randoms

[alpine gust]

well yes thats part of it

[dull mason]

Ideally they would make reconnecting to matches feasible and then implement a punishment for leaving

[alpine gust]

i hope they can make it a priority in the new engine

[dull mason]

Hard agree, my internet will occasionally cut out briefly but it usually takes 5-10 minutes to reconnect to the server

[worthy knoll]

Leaving? Like Just going to the extract? Why should it be punished? My choice if i want to Play this Match.

[dull mason]

I meant leaving as in disconnecting not extracting

I didn't use the term disconnect because I didn't want to imply that simply losing connection to the server should be punished, but rather disconnecting and not coming back

[little carbon]

Whether or whether not players like the current design of the flash doesnt indicate whether it is balanced.
Counterplay is easy enough for the flash. Always have fallback routes in mind. Have your teammates back and vice versa (while not being stacked so you cant get flashed at the same time) to cover your retreat. Listen to the sound of a flash being readied and react to that, the extra time is quite valuable. And if you hold a tight entrance (even easier with a shotgun) you can also just remain calm, listen for the enemy pushing and shoot them when they turn the corner.
Pretty much all of those counterplays require going out of your way to learn them at some point tho and honestly it feels like that is the reason people complain so much. I often have the feeling that the average playerbase of Hunt doesnt want to invest time into learning and thinking.

[little carbon]

That isnt true as well. The real world isnt balanced, not in the slightest. Good game design is based around having meaningful player agency, which mostly breaks down to having meaningful balanced choices without a clear "works-every-time" perfect answer. That way the content stays engaging and players involvement stays active throughout a games lifespan.
The real world often works opposite and therefore doesnt work well for games unless you have a game specifically around that

[onyx edge]

Late reply ik, but keep in mind the uppermat is a short-barreled shotty so it has way worse slug range than the romero hc too!

[late quartz]

Is the Romero hc not also short barrel?

[onyx edge]

nah thats medium, lemat and rival hc are the only short barels irc

[late quartz]

I see

[dull prawn]

I appreciate you trying to make a good argument in favour of flash bomb's current design but I honestly can't agree with those options as being viable as "counterplay". For one, having to rely on a teammate to have your back accounts for everything, and with how the game is now, many people play solo (I prefer solo play for the most part). Playing solo is already a massive disadvantage, even with the ability to self rez, flash bombs being able to guraentee a kill on a solo player with little to no effort doesn't sit right with me.

As for "rely on your ears", that is not as helpful as you might think. Sure, if you have one of those super high-end ultra crisp surround sound headsets that allow you to pinpoint the exact coordinates of every sound you hear, you might be able to accurately defend while blind, but the majority of players are running standard gaming rigs that are not going to give them that level of precision - even with spray-and-pray tactics it's generally impossible to pinpoint enough to be a viable defense. All of this doesn't even account for the audio effects of a flash bomb which disrupt sound along with the visual effects.

Now, you may still be right in that, with enough effort and practice? you can sort of counter a flash bomb, but even if it is possible (and I'm sure super high-end hardcore players can do it), the amount of effort, skill, practice and, let's be honest, sheer luck required to pull off a proper counterplay while flashed is huge compared to the amount of skill that it takes to actually use a flash - I.E, very little. How is it fair or balanced that an item which is incredibly cheap, easy to find, easy to unlock and easy to use requires a skill level to counterplay that most players simply do not have the time or patience to pull off?

As for "listen for the fuse", that's simply not a good answer - you have a second or so, at most, to react, and even if you start running? if the AOE hits you, you're flashed.

[late quartz]

https://youtu.be/Pk1asuzhm6c

I mean I'm fairly sure the Romero hc is not medium barrel, just sort of intuitively its much smaller than the terminus and rival.

Further, I'm mostly getting my information from this video. If it's wrong totally lmk but I've not seen anybody besmirch it's accuracy yet

[onyx edge]

Probably right, it just feels so much better. Prob presumed bc it's hc buck accuracy is insane.

[late quartz]

Yeah its certainly a cut above in terms of its buckshot performance

[unborn smelt]

@queen jungle But doesn't the mission require you to use that specific skin ? So only giving you the base weapon would be kinda counter intuitive...

it could however just state both...

ah okay - yeah then it makes no sense

[vital fractal]

Romero HC is a short barrel

[onyx edge]

Heres a link to my suggestion that started the shotty talk btw

#game-ideas message

[vital fractal]

Barrels just affect drop off it seems with buckshot, with spread being gun dependent now a days

You can see this in how slugs have the same performance based on length only

[unborn smelt]

You can search for the skins nameingame too

in the store tab > then the legendary sub tab

works for me

yes i do

but it should show in the legendary tab even if you don't afaik

[late quartz]

That's what I figured, yeah

[unborn smelt]

weird

i don't have a twitchdrop specific item i don't own

but for example past event legendaries i don't own is smth i can search up in the store section

are those missions from the billy story quest line?

because then they should require using the legendary skin

weird... seems like a bug then

here you can see those are meant to be part of the billy story questline

because finishing the prior stage rewards you that specific item

okay - i'll forward it

can you get me a screnshot by any chance so i can attach it when i forward it ?

all good - if you have none i will forward it anyway

[granite sand]

Check the owned button is active or not

[queen jungle]

@prime ibex Depending on your hardware, you should try running the game at medium since low settings shift more load from the GPU to the CPU, which may cause it to overheat.

[prime ibex]

Does it regardless. Especially during the special events with Wild Fire and Thunderstorm. The game's just a little heavy on graphic usage.

It's why people suggest optimization all the time man. Game needs it bad, and the prep for future changes always causes heavy tilting on what bugs, and what doesn't.

[vital fractal]

An optimization focused update would be nice, just fix bugs and make the game run better vs more store content

Things that improve playability would also be some private match focused features- a small private lobby hunt match or similar would be greatly appreciated, a way to see how certain loadouts interact in a hunt situation without the risk

[next ember]

#game-ideas message

Honestly, they just need more incentives to prestige.

[winged skiff]

Drilling really needs a velocity increase with special ammo, it makes no sense it goes from 530 m/s to 371 m/s. No other weapon drops that much velocity with the switch to special ammo. Take for example the medium ammo Springfield, it goes from 480 to 440 m/s. If treated similarly the Drilling would have a MV of 480 with special ammo. I really think this needs to be addressed, both for consistency's sake, and for balance considering the drilling is a whopping 500+ dollar weapon.

[unborn dagger]

You're comparing a single shot medium rifle ammo to a drilling that is both a double barrel and a shotgun. I think it's pretty fair to lower the muzzle velocity to that amount

[hardy coral]

Yeah, it'd be better if it was even at 370 or a little higher at 400 though.

[hot vigil]

Think a 400 flat would be fine, tho I don't use special ammo the drilling anyways

[frigid folio]

Oh 100%! Definitely not judging anyone for wanting to leave!! When I was a bit fresher to hunt gaming I was the exact same! I think at some point in everyone's hunting though, that 30% chance starts to look reaaaaaaal tempting 😂 especially once you hit the mindset of "oh well, it's just 1 hunter out of the thousands I've had and will have. Going to lose it at some point anyway"

[rotund obsidian]

quite frankly i think if they were going to buff drilling special mv, it should only be fmj and not dumdum.

[frigid folio]

@iron trench I think the dead eye/iron sights is an interesting idea. But I feel it also takes away from aperatures little niche of that zoom or iron sights view. I feel if they were to implement that to dead eyes they'd have to drastically increase the prices of them. Kinda like "you can take the aperature for a cheap not as good version, or take the dead eye for a more expensive but cleaner version"

[winged skiff]

Well one is dirt cheap, the other is 500+ dollars. Also take the other medium ammo weapons, none drop velocity that much switching to special ammo. It just doesn't make any sense. Giving the drilling 480 m/s with special ammo will at least make it worth its price tag. Also remember if you miss any shot with the drilling, it's a long ass reload.

[unborn dagger]

So decrease the price of drilling. It shouldn't be that much anyways. Springfield is weak as it is already unless you bring in special.

[winged skiff]

Springfield obviously should be relatively weak considering the price. If a more expensive weapon wasn't objectively better than a cheaper one, then what's the point of the pricing

Springfield is a one tap to a 125 health hunter afterall as well

[unborn dagger]

And with springfield being weak it should also have strong options and fmj being 440 is good for it.

Drilling has two shots along with a tight spread shotgun

[winged skiff]

Sure, not saying it should change, it's that the Drilling gets a crazy high velocity penalty that needs change

[hollow raft]

Well considering how Hive Bombs are currently, they're even weaker than flashes

Dark SIghting means putting away your weapons for as long as you think is necessary to negate the flash effect

and while the flash is flying through the air, the thrower either pushes with the flash
or the enemy pushing you that you're throwing the flash at has to put away their weapons to avoid getting the tables turned on them

You can dauntless an explosive, you can 2 melee a hive swarm, but there is no counter for the impact nature of a flash

Adding a windup to the flash means being unable to use it as a high speed tool, which it needs to be

the twistkey windup means you won't be hitting anyone, just forcing them to move away from range

[rotund obsidian]

oh yeah no i love the idea of the windup

it should not come out nearly as fast at full power

[hollow raft]

I could see it being not an impact anymore, like having a .5 or 1 sec fuse after hitting the ground

but that's the only other avenue, making it take longer to prep is going to kill the flash bomb's practical usage

either defensively or offensively

If you know Halo's plasma grenades, similar behavior, except a shorter fuse after impact

[rotund obsidian]

idk it seems like it wouldnt work, mechanically then. i mean its like a glass lightbulb

[hollow raft]

it can fly through the air for any duration, but once it hits, it starts fusing

also like CSGO's flashes

[rotund obsidian]

theyd probably have to like, visually redesign it cause that shit most definitely looks like it'd break on impact

[hollow raft]

the throwable lanterns when turned off must be made of plexiglass

[rotund obsidian]

those have like, the two metal bars plus the metal wire wrapped around it though

[hollow raft]

just joking about how the feature of the flash bomb's appearance shouldn't be too much of a thought

It would just mean adding a wire cage around the flash bomb

[rotund obsidian]

idk i definitely think it should have a windup, it shouldn't be a defensive tool at all

it should be for making a push or taking space by forcing a retreat

rn it's just "chuck it in their general direction while outside and boom free kill"

[hollow raft]

somewhere I remember hearing that the flash bombs were created to counter camping shotguns

or shotguns in general in CQ

[rotund obsidian]

yeah and they do an exceptionally poor job at countering that considering the best use is usually outside

[hollow raft]

if you're getting rushed by a shotgun but can't just run from your cover, then your bet is to flash them

they're used pretty well on a pinned down target, the same way a hive bomb is used

if someone gets body hit, takes cover, and a flash n' push or hive bomb to cancel their healing

[onyx edge]

uppermat price hurts ngl

[trail oasis]

Ez shotgun problem fix. Just serpent the bounty or wait campers to get out to snipe em. Never get close to campers or ppl. With shotgun most chance they only have a shit pistol as second weapon and will be a free target when outside their hideout

[hot vigil]

I mean, most people with half a brain picks up the bounty

Straight away

[trail oasis]

Or wait till i serpent it then panic rush me to their death XD

[unborn dagger]

Yep

But I understand not wanting to pick it up to not give away your location

[hot vigil]

I mean

They literally know you are inside the boss lair

Not a big shocker

[trail oasis]

I dt understand it. Every1 with brain will serpent it and you will be left clueless stuck in the boss building

[unborn dagger]

Yes but unless they don't have serpent, they still dont know your exact location.

[hot vigil]

They still don't know your exact location if you pick up the bounty

other for that brief moment where you pick it up

[trail oasis]

But tbh being in the boss lair is kinda very dangerous. I always hide outside with a trap near me so i can quick reposition somewhere i am not stuck in or just leave to extraction if ppl are slow to react

[unborn dagger]

Unless you want to be stuck in the boss lair then I guess?

[trail oasis]

Depend if ur more of a pvp or objective guys

The most efficient way to get out with bounty and hunter alive is serpent from outside or fight in ur own ground instead of being stuck in the lair as my experience teached me

[unborn dagger]

Pretty much tbh

I'd usually pick up the bounty but unless my team mates want it I don't mind it which lets me get out to try and flank

[marsh dagger]

@iron trench No, this suggestion is a terrible idea

1. Aperture variant will become obsolete, it's what
2. All weapons with the deadeye variant would have to be remodeled to accommodate the change.
3. Why not do it to all scoped weapons at that point

[trail oasis]

My usual trick is letting peoples kill the boss then i go trap like a mofo the extraction close to it rhen go try to fight if i have time in order to put pressure and push the team to go on the extraction i wanted in hope they crumble on my conc/psn traps XD

[unborn dagger]

Not a bad plan especially if they're panicking lol

[trail oasis]

U cant imagine how effective this technique is on 3 and 4 star mmr

In 2 day when on vacation i made around 100k hunt dollars and 25 lvl 25 hunters. Not even exagerating its real numbers

No risk involved just picking bounty and strike when theres an opening

[unborn dagger]

I swear Hunt doesn't want me to ever go over 30k. Whenever I get to that amount I start losing cash

[trail oasis]

I cheat a bit by lowering my mmr on soul survivor when i reach 5star ima admit

[hot vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-gross-disgust-gif-13789077

[unborn dagger]

That's on Crytek tbh lol

[trail oasis]

Solo vs 5 star team is not enjoyable for an average player anyway and crytek made this happen i feel 0 guilt

In other hand i teach players to open their eyes and not fall in every traps and purchase the trait to detect em XD

[hot vigil]

Define "not enjoyable"

Also while there is a trait, which I think more people (including myself) should use more, you can place traps in bushes that just ain't noticable.

Unless trait is used.

[deft lichen]

not a bad strat.

[deft lichen]

wow, harsh but fair

[trail oasis]

In 1v1 fight i worth max mid 4star so me vs 3x5star fight mean i have 0 chance and hope to endup alive and these player are not dumb enough to fall on my traps. Thats what i mean by not enjoyable

[trail oasis]

Yeah at 5star ppl notice even the most sneaky traps all the time while at lower rank they just stressrush into it when being pushed near the extraction XD

[hot vigil]

Yeah, but is enjoyable for lower skilled people to be whiped by you?

You are going in 1v3, like, ofc it shouldn't be fair for you.

[trail oasis]

Ima be honest. Lots of peoples do like i do most of fight i have low star are pretty skill balanced. I just have more knowledge. I dt try to find excuse i just know my skill level and i get ranked high only cuz i use my knowledge and traps to the maximum and engage only when i have the upper hand so i get 5 star very quick while i am very bad at aiming and positioning in general. I dt worth 5star even when the game rank me there

They should get rid of mixed mmr with soul survivor if they want peoples with the same mindset as me to do it. Cuz i dt feel guilty and wont stop doing it otherwise

But i do understand peoples who dislike and bash on guys who do it. It is what it is

[hot vigil]

Yeah, dunno, just, like I'm like you, good game knowledge, shoddy aim.

And I don't get the luxury to rig my games.

As a trio player

[trail oasis]

If i was duo or trio i would not do it of course. But i play nighttime cuz work schedule and my only friend who play rarely meet my schedule

If trio could have their own voice chat i would do random queue but the no communication on a game where tactics are mandatory turn me off

[hot vigil]

The Hunt discord is actually good

for finding people

in my experience

have a couple of friends I've gotten from playing with people here

[trail oasis]

Never tried tbh

[obsidian narwhal]

@carmine cargo the issue with that suggestion is that it's open-bar to ridiculous skins

[carmine cargo]

Well counter argument, the devs would choose a selection and then the community would vote on them

[hot vigil]

Yeah, Crytek can still do a screening process

But holding an event where we get user submitted ideas send to crytek and then they choose top 10 or something for people to vote on

[oak plaza]

ah yes and than we get more mosin skins... RIP good crossbow skin

[hot vigil]

Again, it could be currated by Crytek, so they'd release a pool of guns you can submit art for and then they can pick the best from that pool and let people vote on that.

[carmine cargo]

exactly

like the skin selection weve been getting has been dogwater for years now

i would have spent so much money on this game if they actually had any good weapon skins but either the lead for the skin design team really doesn't like going outside of a tiny box or they just dont care

[oak plaza]

so yes like the last time they did that

[hot vigil]

Dunno I do like the skins we get

[carmine cargo]

name one @hot vigil

[hot vigil]

Eyup.

[carmine cargo]

if its taking you this long then i dont think any skins actually stand out to you

[hot vigil]

The Drilling skin (can't remember the name), Nee Claw, Cordwainer, The Obituary.

Sorry writing a list dude

[carmine cargo]

ah

i said one but thats fine

[hot vigil]

And cannot remember the name of every skin I like on top of my head lmao

[oak plaza]

Thats why I said probs ganna the more used guns winning like mosin so thats why the RIP crossbow. also the crossbow skin > bear tooth skin

[carmine cargo]

i wasnt saying every skin

[hot vigil]

Well I failed the task I guess

But you got some skins

[carmine cargo]

i guess we can agree to disagree on those skins

[spice topaz]

Yeah the fucking bear tooth or what ever the earwax skin is. Evek the mosins are the cringeworthiest 😂

[hot vigil]

Well, again if Crytek goes: "We gonna open commission for Crossbow, Officer Nagant Carbine and Conversion Pistol".

[hot vigil]

What kind of skins do you want? Or what kind of skin do you like?

[oak plaza]

oooo that type of system

nm i didnt unstrand you correctly mb mb

[hot vigil]

np np

Also Cobra da Várzea is a great spitfire skin!

[carmine cargo]

i want any type of skin that doesnt fall under the category of silver/gold trim, junkyard, dirty wood, or stuff inscribed on the side

[spice topaz]

I really wish we got a new skin for officer carbine. The cordwainer is just too blingy and the base too dyi. If only we had sniper's gift without the scooe.

[carmine cargo]

a good example of a decent skin would be the springfield skin that the ronin dlc gives you

[hot vigil]

Still think it is funny that the Deadeye gun is called "Sniper's Gift"

[hot vigil]

Do you think that community made guns would make more or less of the skins you don't like=

?

Besides joke skins ofc

That said I do like the guns like the Southern Belle

[elder ibex]

@vocal bear yeah, 6 star sweatlord brings nothing but single action nagant and crush 4 star lobby. Great idea ||no||

[oak plaza]

I think a axe is enough

[oak plaza]

#feedback message ah yes rain maps = esp users . However I will agree ever since the event I just hate rain maps and just leave them. Let me disable them plz or throw them into wild card only I beg.

[stray horizon]

@crimson basalt ok so like I agree with your suggestion at all but I got to ask.... why are you bringing two flashlights lmao

OHHHH i misread that

I was like damn it's two flashlights the next level meta

[karmic ivy]

It works out fine, Don't worry about prox. voice chat. You can still use it effectively when its needed.

[karmic ivy]

Yes, that is the implication. Its shameful.
Guy simply disagrees with the games assessment of his skills. He should take it as a compliment, not bemoan the fact that he killed skilled players and now has to play with them. I can't believe how much things can be twisted to say its crytek's fault... That is like saying "they made me do it" Neither is true.

It would be similar if a high-school sports player faked his age and identity so he can play with the middle-school sports team. With the reasoning that he does not want to play with high-school "sweats"...

Its against the point of the game...

[vital fractal]

Bro down ranks and admitted to it, self-immolation except a just cause essentially lol-

Also I very much enjoy the skins that actually remodel the gun quite a bit- such as the Romero Alamo Toolshed skin, Snipers Gift, Hobo's Winnie, Marwood, Corrupted Mosin, Scourge, etc etc

They actually change the model of the gun a little bit making it stand out more as a skin, rather than a recolor (which can be great such as the winnie marksmen skin and zorngeist)

Remodels are much more common on melee weapons however, which is still totally fine as it works out amazingly ( i mean why are you functionally going to change the machete from a sword with similar properties you know?)

[little carbon]

People are usually pretty bad at discerning fairness. An actual fair win rate is usually perceived as losing too much, even in games with a 50/50 rate. In Hunt that effect is even stronger since you aren't even meant to win half your matches.

And then there is the fact that if you go from top of your current bracket to bottom of the next one, your winrate target goes from above average to below average, even tho still within a reasonable margin.

And humans are pretty bad at guessing variance. While longer one sided streaks, especially losing are statistically likely, people will feel like they are out of their league. Losing 15 matches in a row is statistically not that bad

[karmic ivy]

Da, its crazy.

[alpine gust]

10/10 Dark Maps. Thank you for the update Crytek. My support ends here. It was a good 3800 hours.

[vital fractal]

Bruh everyone is getting unique maps when most of my maps are clear sunny days, romantic evenings, or dusk- can we switch? I love bad weather or night time in this game

[karmic ivy]

Why are you hogging up all the dark maps? share.

[onyx edge]

Here's my post suggesting reducing uppermats price if anyone is interested

#game-ideas message

[glass salmon]

Fix the ban error code

[dull mason]

Yeah Crytek.. Or else. 😡

[onyx edge]

Reconnect has been buggy as hell since it's been introduced, it's just insult to injury after a crash to take 6+ attempts to reconnect (which you rarely live long enough to achieve)

[rotund obsidian]

@gentle willow #game-ideas message More bullets to the 15 base, or the 18 you get with split ammo? I think 18 is plenty tbh

[rustic lion]

nerf flashbangs

[opaque glen]

@queen jungle the game takes place in 1895 dude

[queen jungle]

Kingdom of Prussia
Jan. 18th 1701-Nov. 11th 1918

[opaque glen]

you said 1896-1900 in your suggestion

[queen jungle]

Did I? I meant the uniform dates sorry

[gentle willow]

I frequently don't have special unlocked, so having 15 bullets total kinda runs out fast with a skirmishing weapon. The centennial is kind of competitive with it and has quite a lot

It's less of a sniper than the other long ammo rifles. I think it deserves more ammo to be on par w the veterlli and centennial

[vital fractal]

Absolutely not

[rotund obsidian]

I think the baseline should be buffed up to 18 for sure, there's no good reason for it to be behind only split ammo

[vital fractal]

The Berthier can use that split ammo ability to bypass bullet grubber

And has top tier long ammo

Along with options that allow it to excel in CQB/med range

Besides the reload from empty is quick too, and it does great damage

You want to buff that?

[rotund obsidian]

I'd want it to have the same amount of ammo whether you split it or run all normal, yeah.

[vital fractal]

Then drop the special to 15 total

That’s what should be advocated then

[rotund obsidian]

that's what it used to be but in 1.13 it got changed (not sure if intentional) to 18, since it now gives the extra clip of the 2nd ammo type

[vital fractal]

It wasn’t

So

You could get ammo for it so it was 18 always but you started with 15

The split slot, for every option, had a full half in the first- then missing one in the second

It’s just the berthier had 3 in it’s clip, so you were missing 3 instead of the usual 1

Hence why you always ran special in first slot if you wanted to main that ammo

[rotund obsidian]

I thought it was the full half in the first and second, but you got the +1 for whatever was loaded (or +3 for berthier

[vital fractal]

Exactly

But that meant you could 9/9 on the berthier after a supply stop

[rotund obsidian]

I don't remember being able to resupply the extra on the second type, but you can do that now for other single shots

and it also deletes the bullet if you switch back and forth after resupplying it

[vital fractal]

I hadn’t run into that issue

[rotund obsidian]

I made a bug report a while back about the romero doing it

[vital fractal]

I say that cause I ran berty w/ incend normal while mastering it

So yeah, it’s fine as is

With the berthier you give up pen or straight damage if you spilt the ammo- which may not be worth the 3 extra bullets you get sometimes

[rotund obsidian]

I mean, fire is pretty nutty on long now

[vital fractal]

When they don’t run salveskin, but again- sometimes pen is worth more

And then Spitzer drops your damage, as it should (and so should fmj), which again may not be worth it

For 3 bullets*

[rotund obsidian]

i mean yeah i think spitzer is doodoo plus it's obnoxious as fuck

fire is ok though, i'd usually split it for berthier, especially now that it gets extra ammo for no reason

[onyx edge]

Ye, you can get up to 15 rounds from a placable ammobox with longammo if you play your cards right.

Actually, even up to 20 if you're a degen

[empty oasis]

#game-ideas message
We've had it before. It ends up being just another mosin skin

[orchid totem]

Unable to solo revive after being instantly downed on the 2nd revive even though there are still HP bar left.

[onyx edge]

yep, the other contestants losing was a fucking travesty. the mosin skin wasn't even that cool

[oak plaza]

the crossbow skin was 10x cooler imo

[vital fractal]

@edgy sparrow I like the idea of the springfield bayonet but like most of the others are just straight up grades that I don’t think would be good additions

For example: A silenced nagant brawler? Come on now man

Maybe the bornheim extended match is also a good idea, maybe

The other four though, I disagree with

[edgy sparrow]

what do you have against the striker silencer?

[dusky tapir]

a lot of these are not ingame for a reason

shorty silencer exists as part of the Centennial - with massively neutered ammo reserves

deadeye 1873C is a perfect combo... which is why you only get marksman. Or vandal deadeye

same with the springfield

[vital fractal]

It’s a straight upgrade compared to the normal vandal, and honestly makes the nagant precision almost useless-

[dusky tapir]

also it's not a striker variant since it's missing the stabbing melee attachments :p

[vital fractal]

And if you did mean a striker silenced, that’s a straight upgrade compared to the striker variant lmao

Again, a melee and silenced weapon? Way too much

(Unless it’s the bomb lance lmao)

Nitronik gets it, it’s balanced

[dusky tapir]

springfield bayonet is the only baffling "why haven't they done it yet" one

especially since martini riposte exists

[vital fractal]

Exactly, it fits without stepping on another weapons toes

Bornheim match extended can be argued that the loss of clip reload is also viable

But that’s a way more nuanced argument

[dusky tapir]

yeah but I'm wary of 8 shots of 2tap potential

then again DolchP exists

and yeah there's a discussion to be had there

[vital fractal]

Yeah but Dolch P costs a lot, gets basically no reserve, and then is special ammo

Just run a new army lmao

[dusky tapir]

lol

[vital fractal]

Which, I think the Dolch should have a special ammo variant

I just think it’s weird it doesn’t have something

Not dum dum or fmj, or high velo but maybe a poison or incendiary

Maybe explosive 👀

[dusky tapir]

lmfao dolch explosive

you are evil

[hardy coral]

A melee tool on a silenced weapon isn't very useful, I suppose it's more helpful if it's blunt. Straight upgrades should generally be avoided though.

Springfield bayonet should be in the game. The two deadeye variants would be dead on arrival without a deadeye buff.

Well un-nerf.

[hybrid forum]

@edgy sparrow I agree with most of these variants, except for vandal silenced and silencer brawler. We already have a shortened silenced winfield, so there's no need for that, and silenced nagant is already perfect against AI, so there is no point in adding an attachement specifically for that

[vital fractal]

It’s absolutely useful

Means you can can ignore a tool slot * choose between using ammo or a tool to kill things without swapping

So poison for immo and dogs, knuckles for everything else in one gun

That’s a straight upgrade with a free tool slot now

The deadeyes are too strong for what they offer though, Winfield has the vandal Deadeye if you want one

Springfield has markesmen and the vandal has Deadeye too

[hardy coral]

Deadeyes are total garbage idk what planet you're on.

[hybrid forum]

winfield deadeye is something that everyone needs

marksman has too great of a magnification for a compact ammo gun

and aperture is meh

[hardy coral]

It used to be good before the speed nerf.

[hybrid forum]

I think we can all agree that the game truly needs more berthier ammo types

[vital fractal]

The level of extra accuracy they afford whilst still being usable within compounds says otherwise-

[vital fractal]

You have that in vandal form already

[vital fractal]

Not if you go for headshots like that gun is meant for

[hybrid forum]

bruh, deadeye vandal is worse than a meme weapon. The sway, compared with the muzzle velocity and the damage dropoff makes the gun nearly unusable

[vital fractal]

With steady hand or whatever it’s called, it’s a reliable pocket sniper when I use it

Even without it I can get good use from it

Shoot, I enjoy it with FMJ

Covers some drop off for close up, and if I try- I can get headshots with it, again

Pretty underrated tbh

[hardy coral]

Your movement speed while aiming is cut in half, you are an easy target. Just git gud with irons.

And yeah, vandal deadeye is a meme weapon and was before the nerf.

Deadeyes weren't OP with full move speed, sadly since the change 2+ years ago they've been unusable garbage.

[vital fractal]

I don’t move if I’m using a scopes weapon half the time unless I have to do a quick scope, which most of the time I don’t- so that’s not a noticeable downside that i see or that I noticed used against me

[hardy coral]

If you're not moving you're a bad player.

[vital fractal]

Ok

[hardy coral]

Yeah. Ok.

[vital fractal]

[hybrid forum]

steady hand only kicks in after a while of scoping

[vital fractal]

Which is how I use it

And it’s been quite effective

And even without it, I can land shots when I’m not aiming like I haven’t held a controller in my life lol

Any more range and the Winfield marksmen comes in

[trail carbon]

Is it bad that, every time I see a suggestion complaining about the rain, I get the intense urge to make a similar suggestion, except that it would involve more rain?

[vital fractal]

No because that’s the right perspective, the worse the weather conditions the better

[trail carbon]

I'm so tired of daytime

Almost 2 years of 90% daytime

[vital fractal]

Seriously people wanted weather so badly that the devs did something unexpected and mocked up what they said couldn’t be done and Jerry rigged it to work very well, genuinely impressed with their efforts

[trail carbon]

Yeah

[broken musk]

Agreed

I get rain once a decade now - when it comes to after the event

[trail carbon]

Can't believe they manipulated the cryengine to do rain

[vital fractal]

The storm weather, being dynamic too, was one of the most impressive things the devs did by listening to the community on this aspect they said couldn’t be done-

[trail carbon]

The hunt devs are pretty amazing honestly, I think I would've given up by now trying to work with the cryengine.

Just wish the bigwigs at crytek actually cared. :(

[broken musk]

Sadly very common in most companies nowadays, devs are great, but higher ups : (

[trail carbon]

Yeah

[broken musk]

I feel like passionate and skilled devs, are held back by higher ups

[trail carbon]

Who do we still have that's cool? There's like Larian and FromSoft... and... is that it?

Besides indie studios that is

[broken musk]

Yup, Larian and From are pretty much the only ones left in terms of not indie games

[trail carbon]

Big sad

We're fucked when Miyazaki dies

[broken musk]

Yeah, gaming industry will be doomed

And so will all the from fans

Atleast i'll be able to play the Eldenring dlc before he dies

[trail carbon]

We need to just make him immortal or something

[broken musk]

Yeah

[trail carbon]

He's only 50 and he's Japanese

So he's like halfway

[broken musk]

I'd also love a bloodborne port to PC before he dies

But that also depends on sony

[trail carbon]

Sony would never

[broken musk]

Such dumbos honestly, im pretty sure they are very aware that alot of fans want a BB port to PC, or a remastered

[trail carbon]

Surprised they even greenlit a DeS remake honestly

[broken musk]

I am high on hopium, one day i will see a Bloodborne remastered, one day..

[trail carbon]

Please God give me bloodborne at 60fps

[broken musk]

Bloodborne at 30fps is "Playable" you do get somewhat used to 30fps, but man i do agree it really needs 60fps

Some graphical improvments too, if you zoom in on the grass particles, it's pixels

[trail carbon]

Going from my PC at 144 to 30 gives me a headache

[broken musk]

I get that

[trail carbon]

I should never have gotten that monitor, because now I feel like a snob whenever I see console framerates

[broken musk]

Well, atleast you are enjoying 144hz, and smooth framerates

[trail carbon]

(Not in hunt though)

[broken musk]

(Hmmm yeah)

[trail carbon]

Hunt wildly fluctuates from 45 to 96fps

[broken musk]

I have stable frames luckily

[trail carbon]

What's your GPU and CPU?

[broken musk]

RTX 2080 Phoenix super and a I9

[trail carbon]

Ah

[broken musk]

So not super high end

[trail carbon]

I'm using an overclocked 1660super and a Ryzen 5 5600

[broken musk]

I see, also it's kinda hard to catch up to up to date hardware, new stuff keeps coming out

[trail carbon]

The CPU is not overclocked, though I probably could now that I think about it

[trail carbon]

(It doesn't help when they all get scalped either)

[broken musk]

(True)

I do look forward to the new crytek engine

I hope that it will spark a new future for Hunt, and add new opportunities and potential

[trail carbon]

I'm going to pretend that everything will be fine with the new engine and I will act very surprised when it immediately crashes the game.

Even though in reality, I fully expect my PC to explode

[broken musk]

Naaah, you will be fine, trust

[trail carbon]

Because I think the Hunt devs are great

But I do not have faith, as I am a programmer myself. I've tried to work with the cryengine before for fun

It was not fun

[broken musk]

Well as a peasant when it comes to programming and all that, ill just take your word for it

[trail carbon]

Unless they're completely rebuilding the engine from the ground up, they are not going to have fun moving Hunt over

Actually, it'll probably suck regardless

[broken musk]

We will have to wait and see, i am an optimistic person so, i'll just hope for the best

[trail carbon]

Because changing a game's engine is one of the most difficult processes I've ever done, and it was on a very small project

They gave themselves a year, and I think they should've given themselves more time

I can't imagine how many scripts will be invalid on the new system

[broken musk]

Hmmmm yeah

[rough snow]

#feedback message

“Title: Nerf Selfrevive.
Details: Necromancer schould give you just ONE CHARGE to selfrevive as a solo. Guarding a dead hunter who can get up four times adds nothing to the gaming experience. One self revive is a nice element of surprise to consider,
four is just annoying.”

I am just curious, is for you guarding a dead hunter from a team from being picked also annoying or somehow bad? If not, how is it any different from the solo, if they can be picked up at range by a teammate with necro?

[queen jungle]

@normal lantern Your post in #game-ideas and #feedback was removed because it was low effort

Please try and provide constructive, thought-out feedback

[trail oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO8tvm869vs&ab_channel=EzraCrack thats bullshit

[glass shuttle]

i got some fucking feedback how about 2 slices with saber kills someone and if someone cock shots me with xbow it doesnt 1shot ok thanks heaps

also why the fuck does a slash with a saber not apply a bleed effect

[karmic ivy]

What are you implying is bullshit? Nothing definitive is said.

@limber oracle Why specific? there is a general warning when you launch the game. Anyone with problems should not play at all accorcing to the warning. And obviously if you do, you do so at your own risk. Is that not good enough?

[trail oasis]

what bullshit is we got mysteriously both timed out for 25second the moment we engaged extraction fight and been back to normal mysteriously at the exact moment they finished killing us. 100% not legit lags if it was legit the other team would have been timedout too not only ours

[limber oracle]

Yeah that is true, just thought I would add my cents and see where it takes off.

[karmic ivy]

You don't have a problem making assumptions that large?

[karmic ivy]

So you don't think the general warning is enough to cover the responsibility of the game to warn players? Do you suppose players with epilepsy will ignore the warning? Is that why you think we need a separate specific warning?

[trail oasis]

Not when its that obvious

[karmic ivy]

You made so many assumption and such large ones I am surprised. I could not justify an assumption that large. Too many unknowns.

[crystal plume]

If it was possible to ddos matches then I feel like it would be a much bigger issue

Ddos protection is much more common these days, we're not playing in old school cod lobbies

[trail oasis]

The moment i fires the first shot 2second later me and my friend only been timedout and the other team was not and we been unpaused after we both got killed what u want more as proof we got it recorded. If u was the victim you would find it so obvious they not even tried to make it shady. When its serverside problem its every1 not only the member of a single team and not at the exact moment we engage

[brisk timber]

You wont get far with accusations like this because the doubt always works in favour of the accused one
Would it be the other way around we would have false bans and witchhunts all day long.
With that in mind dont be too surprised people doubting your claims from left to right
You gotta have a watertight argument and thats borderline impossible

BUT

if you say you and your mate both have those disconnects/lags and you are from different places/isp's
than thats highly unlikely to happen in the first place and is indeed in favour of what you claim

thats unfortunately not visible on the video and even than that can still happen even if very unlikely

[karmic ivy]

Very agreeable, well put.
If i have a point it is this...
With that many unknowns involved, it is not worth it to me personally to worry about it or to make assumptions based on it. at the most, report it.
I would prefer to instead shrug it off and get on with my fun.

[trail oasis]

We live at different place not even same city and got dced at the same time. Sad i was not recording cuz my view was much clearer since i was the one who engaged further at the extraction point

My friend was a bit behind

[limber oracle]

I think that compared to all other ways an attack could be caused from flashing lights, this very specific one was the worst one of them all.

[trail oasis]

Thats really bullshit tbh we both lost maxed hunter to something like this made us ragequit the game. Its 100% not legit. Even if its not possible to proove it there should be security that protect players hunter when things like that happen

[brisk timber]

I wish there was buddy

cheating was and will always be a problem and its a cat and mouse game
the same way the developer has to do something about it the same way we have to accept it sometimes and move on

Not saying bury the head in the ground is the solution
But sometimes report and then start another game is the best you can do

[karmic ivy]

Be that as it may, if a player has epileptic seizures, they should not play at all. So it seems a warning about only one part is not necessary. A general warning definitly is, and is present.

What do you think such a "new" warning would accomplish?

[limber oracle]

Yes I guess the general warning is enough, if you see this warning don't play the game. My thought though was if someone with prior epileptic history plays the game without any issues; but accidentally stumbles upon this specific trigger, that even I couldn't witness for too long mind you. Tuning down or adjusting the flashing lights of clues in dark sight would be too much work for something of this small caliber in my opinion. A specific warning pointing towards this specific scenario would then, in my eyes, be an easy solution. The sufferer can then continue their hunt with this in mind and avoid this mentioned scenario.

[queen jungle]

@celest ermine Please keep your posts in English outside of the regional sections of the Discord server.

[late quartz]

What would that warning look like? How do you target specific scenarios like that in a way that has adequate proximity to the problem?

In mission tooltip when you go in a beetle or something?

Realistically if this is a serious concern the appropriate response would be an accessibility feature to reduce flashing in a way that doesn't meaningfully give any gameplay advantages, which I think is fairly doable for most of Hunt's particularly flashy VFX

It's really not unreasonable to ask for accessibility features, even if they'd be moderately taxing in terms of development cost/time.
Saying "it's a lot of work" probably shouldn't be seen as a reason why we shouldn't ask for things that can make the difference between somebody being able to enjoy the game or not.

Obviously Crytek may not be able to do it immediately, or at all, but that shouldn't stop you from asking for it and making niche groups' lesser known needs more visible.

[analog willow]

@upbeat axle MMR loss and gain rate is being looked into, as per David

Events aren’t really tied to MMR systems and would have separate departments working each.

Events drive up player count. If you check out Steam Charts for Hunt Showdown https://steamcharts.com/app/594650
There are huge upticks in player count whenever an event starts, and big drop off’s when the events end. In fact, the last event start broke the all time concurrent player record.

How would you feel about a permanent set of “hard-to-earn” skins? Skins that require 1000+ kills to acquire? Would that fill that itch that events aren’t doing for you? A set of long term goals that you can accomplish at your own pace?

[queen jungle]

@hybrid wedge @dusty dust @opaque glen Please add more details to your suggestion to explain other users why they should support your idea.

[limber oracle]

Its not that big a concern to me, just something I noticed and wanted to put up as it might help a few people enjoy the game more. My reply was a bit long as to not miss any of my thoughts, so the one that was replying to me wouldn't have any more condescending questions. Thanks for the feedback!

[karmic ivy]

If you read that as condescending... you read it wrong. Sorry to confuse you.

[brazen shoal]

1000 kills is way too many. that would take hundreds of hours.

[analog willow]

Exactly. Long term goals in the game that you can accomplish at your leisure

There'd be "minor" skins along the path to big ones. Levels of accomplishment

[brazen shoal]

hmm, that could work. maybe 1000 kills you can perma unlock a tier 3 hunter, every 250 or 500 kills you can unlock a tier 2

[analog willow]

Exactly!

Love it

[little carbon]

@sour cloud
Reducing the ping limit would accomplish neither of the things you propose it would.

Hit registration is purely client side, therefore it's unaffected by ping entirely.
The hits are validated Serverside tho, but the only ping mattering for that is your ping, not the opponents. (Meaning the higher your latency the higher the chance your own shots are going to get invalidated. )

And as for cheaters, your change wouldn't reduce the number of cheaters, so nothing is actually gained. And since cheating isn't a region based phenomenon the distribution most likely wouldn't change as well.

[karmic ivy]

^^^

[sour cloud]

did you ever played the game or you just talk for the sake of talk? i can show you videos what happening in game when you play against high ping players

[vivid veldt]

@little carbon you know high ping exploit? its cheat or imagination?

[native prawn]

Latency to European services is !"(=)$-up again. Up from 11 ms average (playing near Frankfurt) to average 70 ms. Average to Russian servers is 48 ms. And yes, I expect Crytek to investigate, not me. Its taking place on the hop from DTAG to gtt.net servers. Its a recurring phenomenon, usually during or shortly after an event.

[little carbon]

I have both well over 2k hours in Hunt and professional knowledge in network architecture, so i am pretty sure i know well enough how Hunt works

[little carbon]

What is the supposes exploit? And can you provide some proof of existence.

Unless serious hacking is involved, plain high ping doesnt cause validation issues. And in that case the culprit would be hacking and not high ping.
(And i am not saying that hacks like that exist)

[fallow flower]

I wouldn't call it a cheat, definitely an annoyance though. Lagswitching on the other hand would be a cheat

[queen jungle]

There is no such thing as there is no advantage to having a high ping.

https://youtu.be/fXEmbUkDkgo?si=TWfY6wuXGVzH1EsI

[empty oasis]

#game-ideas message

I mean, the scenario you described is exactly what the ai is for. You made a bad choice in where to push and got punished for it

[queen jungle]

Also, there was no change to AI spawn rates post-event.

[hot vigil]

Yeah I also wonder where people get that idea, it have been a thing for the past year now I feel like.
And but the amount of reports of it over the span of that time it would mean the whole darn bayou would be a mosh pit of grunts lmao

[broken musk]

@last ferry The bellringer idea is very cool, i would imagine it more the grunt being covered and wrapped in ropes/threads with alot of bells, and as it walks it makes a little sound, but if it gets aggroed, it makes a ton of sound.

[unborn dagger]

@fathom pier Ammo restock is good where it is at and especially for long ammo. Long ammo is incredibly strong and therefore should have strong downsides to balance it out and 2 bullets per crate is perfect. If you want more ammo, grab an ammo crate as a consumable.

[sour cloud]

no advantage if download and upload speed have same ping. cause if it's not? look at this shit and tell me how i missed 100% shot with dulies, how about the end? guy is dead but he shot me (except fact he not even made a shot, at least not on our screens) https://medal.tv/games/hunt-showdown/clips/1ohihvPtMxC2lY/d1337WRDfRKJ?invite=cr-MSxEUDMsNDk0NDk4NTQs

[sour cloud]

i'm sure you have an answer for this joke too right? https://medal.tv/games/hunt-showdown/clips/1rupFHFVJFximT/d1337H66mHQi?invite=cr-MSw0dG4sNDk0NDk4NTQs

[analog willow]

Bullets have travel time

[analog willow]

First death looks like you missed your shots. Especially with Dualie RNG. Second death looks like you traded, but due to ping, there was a millisecond delay before their shot registered

[analog willow]

Finall linked a good explanation to what's going on with ping and hit registration here : https://youtu.be/fXEmbUkDkgo?si=ezKws4R83GiiI6YO&t=318

[sour cloud]

bullet travel time? is that's a joke? 15 meters distance max right? even with speed 300m/s hit from 15m must be instant. it's not from a mile man.

[crystal plume]

They have no advantage over you, all ping does is delay things, they see you peek the same amount of time, just with a delay, on their screen they shoot you before dying themselves, it's just delayed

Does it feel bad to deal with? Of course

But it's not an advantage

[analog willow]

That was far more than 15m. Closer to 100m

[analog willow]

If you check the weapon stats, you can see bullet travel time in meters per second

[crystal plume]

It's a necessary "evil" to make it more equally fair between people even if the opponent has higher ping

[empty oasis]

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.

[crystal plume]

In the past people would have their shots not register when they were already dead server side, this lead to way more "hitreg issue" reports

Which is why they changed it

[hot vigil]

Still sucks to die to a guy who is already in falling over animation

[crystal plume]

Obviously

But it's not specifically in their favor either

[sour cloud]

about that one with dualies, look at distance, how i missed? it's exactly what happened in the end guy was dead but because his slow download and fast upload speed he made a shot before server send him he is dead

[crystal plume]

Technically you don't even know if the opponent had higher ping, technically they could have lower or same-ish ping and it would still appear as a similar trade

[analog willow]

They weren't dead center. Bullets are small. Just a miss

[sour cloud]

i checked his profile, asian part of russia. and every time i have similar outcome opponent is from other part of the world

[crystal plume]

I'm not speaking about that specific person

I mean in general

Due to how the system works, trades can appear either way

It doesn't have to mean that the opponent had abnormally high ping

[sour cloud]

it's exactly what i mean in general, after shit show i check profiles, and ppl are from other side of the planet

[crystal plume]

That's just confirmation bias

[hot vigil]

Sadly it is really hard to make out bc this ain't a raw file, so I cannot really capture the frame-by-frame to really make out what happening

[empty oasis]

Frame with the hammer dropping

[sour cloud]

quality is shit, can't argue but fact is this guy never made a last shot. no1 of my team saw him firing

[hot vigil]

So this is the frame you shoot, there is a gap, small? yes. Unfortante for sure.

This is a moment that hurts tho

[sour cloud]

boots in the air, he didn't shot before that

what hit me? karma? gods hand?

[crystal plume]

Also regarding the download/upload speed part of this argument

[analog willow]

They fired a shot from their computer before your shot registered on their computer

[sour cloud]

https://medal.tv/games/hunt-showdown/clips/1oOfrhW82f0GKA/d1337kp85QIk?invite=cr-MSxuZTIsNDk0NDk4NTQs look at last seconds, how that wasn't a hit? he wasn't moving guy was standing like a tree so no way to blame bullet speed

[crystal plume]

I can see him moving to his right after the shot and with martini's abysmal muzzle velocity it could be explained by that

[sour cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-keanu-reeves-power-windy-gif-15235043

something like that?

[crystal plume]

Right after the shot he's closer to the tree thing next to him so I at least assume they were moving right at the time of the shot to get there in time

[sour cloud]

https://medal.tv/games/hunt-showdown/clips/1oVCM1LC_-SHMl/d1337LJoEMxJ?invite=cr-MSxsWWksNDk0NDk4NTQs guy is crouching, aiming at me, he moved from his position faster than a bullet was flying? really?

server lag? might be. ddos attack? might be. lost packets? ok i can believe. but missed? oh, come on...

[crystal plume]

He's standing up and moving to his left at the time of the shot

2 frames before the 1st image above

[vital fractal]

Ok can someone explain shotbolt multipliers to me

How does 455 damage shots not one tap to the arm or leg 👁👁

Is it like a 0.25x multiplier on enemy hunter legs and arms?

[crystal plume]

Even if you hit it doesn't mean that all pellets hit, it's weird sometimes

I don't know the exact reasoning why it happens

Also if you're basing 455 damage on damage log, it's still in beta

[vital fractal]

Based on the stat sheet

I know it’s a shotgun so

Not the most accurate

but still

400+ damage reliably

Had a dude tank a clavicle shot, and then run into my rat-placed bear trap to die rather than when I shot him

yet, I round the corner- hit his teammates elbow, and she dies instantly

Elbow/ribcage*

[vital fractal]

Is it literally just spawning a lemat shotgun blast or something on impact lmao

See but just 50% of 400 is 200

More than 150

[hot vigil]

But where are you getting that shotgun deals 400 damage?

[vital fractal]

Shotbolt*

[hot vigil]

Same question

[vital fractal]

It’s 455 according to shop

So assuming some +- 10%

400 damage at least

[hot vigil]

huh

[vital fractal]

Go onto the shotbolt in the shop

Look at the damage

I know it’s not too reliable for shotguns/shotgun type ammos but still, if it says 455 then it’s gotta be at least 400

[hot vigil]

Well, I'll be damned

Maybe that is actually a spelling mistake

[vital fractal]

Well

Here’s my thinking

We don’t know how shotguns have in terms of raw damage

[hot vigil]

But like, take it to the shooting range and shoot some dummies

[vital fractal]

But

(I did)

[minor glacier]

Shouldnt shotbolt 1 shot if it hits arms but chest is behind it? or am I wrong about that

[vital fractal]

But, I think shotguns have something like 400+ damage at point blank range but have immediate drop off on each individual pellet

So by the time they reach the different cut offs, they stop one tapping and then have variance based on spread leading to the shop number of 10m

BUT

Slugs don’t have the variance of spread

Hence why the only factor that matters to them is barrel length

so barrel determines the level of damage drop off, and each gun has unique spread which determines the damage at the target ultimately

But if you apply this to shot bolt, it’s like getting a spawned in shot blast on impact

So it may be like a short barreled blast at 0m but because of that, when shot from 10m leading to the shop damage advertised, it’s misleading because the arrow may have traveled 10m but the blast is equivalent to a standard short barrel blast at 0m

Hence the 455 but… it may have a ridiculous spread so when it spawns it- maybe not all pellets hit target?

Even if it’s literally pressed into their skin lol

[hot vigil]

Honestly my best bet is that the bolt penetrates/clips thru the limb and the damage the pellets spawns funky on the otherside

[vital fractal]

Yeah

Cause it also pens targets

[hot vigil]

Not intentional

I guess

But still my best guess

[vital fractal]

Yeah, because it’s the only ammo to pen a target beyond Spitzer and (maybe nitro if it does that?)

[crystal plume]

Nitro base ammo also pens hunters yeah

[hot vigil]

Again when I say pen, I think more the game is just fucky

That it is ain't intentional

[vital fractal]

Lmao, maybe it spawns in pellets in a flat plane thus the arm only gets hit with some of those since we got noodle arm hunters (except Mr Gun Runner of course)

Yeah I doubt it is, unless they decided to just be like- “screw it, unadvertised game feature”

Which, is always fun

[hot vigil]

Eh seems quite plausible, it ain't a widely use weapon/ammo, we didn't have damage logs for a long time and things sometimes break unexpectily in games.
So many factors why people might not have noticed it before.

[little carbon]

@fathom pier
While you are right that the current ammo resupply values aren't good, since the the relative power is way off (compact ammo isn't 4.2 times more effective than long, but has around 4.2 times as much ammo efficiency), both buffing long and nerfing compact would lead to compact having not enough relative ammo efficiency.

However Hunt had already shown better values in the form of gunrunner, going from 2(1x)/6(3x)/8(4x) to 4(1x)/8(2x)/10(2.5x), which are much more reasonable relative numbers.

[unborn smelt]

I dunno - i'd argue overall, long ammo is effective anough for the way ammo supply works right now, especially compared to compact ammo

mainly because long ammo has the stats that make it both the most powerful when you hit (highest base dmg, best dmg retention both with dropoff start and dropoff itself), long ammo is easiest to hit due to the high velocities it has over most of the other anmmo types, and it also has the higest pen to boot

[little carbon]

Not relative, no. A mosin isnt 4x stronger than a Winfield or a carbine. I'd say not even twice as good.

Compact never was bad. Even before the ammo changes you weren't really at a disadvantage for bringing a Winfield. And 2.5 times recovery would be plenty strong. That's over twice as much shots that still have basically the same lethality.

[unborn smelt]

this means it's massively favord by the health bar loss system (due to retaining 125+ dmg for 45-55m), in combination with being the easyest to hit

[unborn smelt]

basically the same lethality
Sry - but we both know that's just not true...

[little carbon]

Within the usual engagement distance of a compound both kill with a headshot and don't kill with a body shot

[unborn smelt]

A winnie is good - yeah, but there's a reason basically anything longammo has been dominating the Meta since about 3 years minimum

[unborn smelt]

Yes but a winnie can easily need 3 shots even to upper chest in compounds - and long ammo can commonly oHK in compound ranges as soon as the enemy lost 125

compound fights can - ofc depending on the compound, easily reach 50-70m

[little carbon]

I think you are putting way too much emphasis on body shots. Most rifle Kills are headshots anyways

[unborn smelt]

I'm fairly certain that's just not true

people claimed the same when Spitzer and HV were introduced and when the Cent was new

"high MV is king because HS are king"

but it turned out that just never was true for the majority of the playerbase - which is what the game gets balanced for

basically any guns that perform great with HS only turned out to be far weaker than people originally claimed

[little carbon]

That would be bad balancing tho. You balance around potential. If the average player base doesn't realize that potential it's fine.
And you'll generally get a more balanced game if you balance around higher tier of play than when balancing around the average player

[unborn smelt]

I have to disagree that that's "bad balancing". High levels of play usually are far too sweathy for most people to enjoy - and if you want a successful game you usually want a game that's enjoyable to the majority of your players

[little carbon]

And even if we take body shot efficiency into account 2.5x of hits on average sounds more realistic than 4x

[unborn smelt]

it does - but if we take the HP bar system into account OHK is much more than 2.5x as powerful

long ammo is that much more reliable in 2 taps, with the added bonus of circumstantial but incredibly powerful OHK potential

[little carbon]

You are misunderstanding. Just because you balance around higher tier doesn't mean that 4* matches are suddenly going to be sweaty.
Just more balanced. People are still going to play inefficient

[unborn smelt]

No - i disagree that they are more balanced then

yes they won't be as sweaty, ofc not but those people don't get the same mileage out of a winnie as the top tier players, and can't afford the high end rifles the way the top tier players can - thus massively reducing the amount of stuff the main mass of players can realistically play to compete

[little carbon]

That's not true. Money generated is equal within each bracket. A 4* match creates the same amount of HD as a 6* match. So the average 4* can afford just the same things as the average 6*

[trail carbon]

Long ammo is still very powerful even with the ammo nerf. Long ammo should definitely not be buffed, and could possibly still use some downtuning in my opinion. Long ammo should reward hitting your shots and punish missing your shots, whereas compact ammo is much more forgiving, but also much less powerful. I think the ammo economy change is a massive step in the right direction.

[unborn smelt]

the past shows otherwise

[trail carbon]

Not true, because people that win gain MMR

[unborn smelt]

or indicates otherwise i should say

lower brackets usually can't maintain running guns like Mosins, the way it happens in 5 and 6 star lobbies for example

same issue was with the old Dolch

in most lobbies people just couldn't afford running dolches with any sort of regularity

So what i'm trying to tell is that we know, for a fact the high cost is a barrier to usage, that works far better in lower end lobbies. For which exact reason we don't know, as we've never been told

but we do know it impacts loadout choices quite a bit

[empty oasis]

True. Even cheaper things are affected by price. Just look at the drop in officer carbine usage after the price hike. It fell dramatically even before the recoil nerf

[unborn dagger]

Exactly this

[queen jungle]

100% agree on this. Long ammo comes with some advantages like additional penetration and rewards hitting your shots, while punishing bad aim/spamming shots.

[unborn dagger]

Now if only we could just get medium ammo buffed...

[queen jungle]

While in theory you are correct, this has three real-life issues:

1. People move through MMR, the players within a bracket change all the time.
2. Depending on the region you're playing in, multiple brackets may be included in matchmaking.
3. Many people do not "win" on average. In a perfectly fair world, any team would only "win" one out of six matches (since there are six teams in a default match of Hunt), but that's not the case, so some get lots of money while others stay poor.

[queen jungle]

First I'd like my skill to be buffed

[unborn dagger]

Same, I suck to the point where I can't get past 30k hunt bucks

[empty oasis]

The other reason why Long is so strong, aside from pure kill potential, is resource drain.

Lets use the 50-70m and go with 60m(long compound/mid-long open)

At 60m the WinnieC to the upper chest is 55dmg.
Thats one basic medkit charge (no matter how you split it) with minimum health regen time

Same distance with the mosin is 122dmg
Thats 2 medkits (or a small vit + med or a big vit) with needing to wait to regen 22hp

Arms shots?
WinnieC is 34dmg. If you have a 50 on the end thats not even a charge

Mosin is 75. Thats potentially still 2 charges to get to full with just an arm shot at 60m

[queen jungle]

True

[empty oasis]

Also, The "HS machine" winnie would be with High Velocity, not fmj
This doesnt add anything, i just wanted to point that out

[hardy coral]

I really hate winnie HV, cent is just better imo.

And with long ammo and medium the issues are more on the guns than how the ammo is balanced.

It's that the lebel and mosin are too strong and versatile and that the springfield and vetterli are too weak.

[hot vigil]

Ya'll talking about long ammo, when it was shotguns that got gimped with the 2 shells pick up rate.

[white oasis]

good :)

[hot vigil]

Mjah tbh, just feel a little lackluster for the Romero

Don't have strong opinions about the other shotguns

[white oasis]

ive always been on the side that says shotguns are too strong, i still hate slugs
same with long ammo, but not as much
the ammo changes surely changed a bunch

the few times i have to play shotguns for the weeklies i get kills way too easily, so far i dont think i ever run out of ammo
(except spamming pennyshot levering or clown and cringe)

also theres always the lemat and resupplies

[hot vigil]

eeeeh, shotguns are fine (slugs are not).
They have a small killrange and if you just understand that the are quite easy to play around in my experience.

[white oasis]

im not sure, when playing shotguns i always know what angle to take, where to sit and wait so that they have to get into my range if they want to shoot at me
on the flipside i played against one shotgun guy in specific where i just had absolutely 0 idea how to approach him

shotgun players can force situations where they are just better
the only really downside shotguns had was that if you could dodge a shot you mightve been abled to melee them
doesnt seem to work that well in practice anymore, maybe i just got higher in elo and people play slate, clown and terminus a lot more

[unborn smelt]

when playing shotguns i always know what angle to take, where to sit and wait so that they have to get into my range
outside of Quickplay - noone ever needs to get into your range

If you extract without bounty you keep your stuff, including loadout and traits and get some money for objectives like clues etc

[hot vigil]

I mean, getting the drop on a player is generally lethal,same for sniping a dude from 100m away.

[unborn smelt]

the shotgunner that, if push comes to shove, needs to die to timer or push a rifle looses their hunter, their loadout and doesn't get the bounty either

[white oasis]

funny thing is people always spot me first
but i know which corner to rush to so they cant get any shots through

[unborn smelt]

because of that a good rifle player is better off when they just decide not to push the shotgun

[white oasis]

ah yes, sitting 30 minutes because of gamedesign

gaming

[hot vigil]

Not quite reflective of my sessions.

[white oasis]

my point is that you need to push the shotgun to not be threatened over long termn

[unborn smelt]

no you really don't

[hot vigil]

Shotgun makes shotgun sounds, you don't go near or you make sure you approach from safe sidelines.

[unborn smelt]

there's literally nothing ever forcing you to push the shotgunner

[hot vigil]

Like nothing forces you to go out in the open field to push a sniper.

[white oasis]

shotgun guy (me) cant move on to extract cause youll be without cover
rifle players cant get to the bounty or take it off my hands cause i know how to move and deny angles

[unborn smelt]

the most important objective in hunt is getting out, and for that the shotgunner needs to get out in the open

because exits are never in a compound

[white oasis]

well sadly people arent playing it that way

[unborn smelt]

but the guy that survives without bounty looses less ressources than the shotgunner not making it out

[white oasis]

99% of the time people want to get to they bounty or to the fights cause that feels a lot more like actually winning

[white oasis]

tell that to the people in all the lobbies haha

i mean yes, i get that from a top down perspective, sure

[unborn smelt]

I don't need to - long ammo has been meta for years on end for a reson

Shotguns aren't bad

[white oasis]

but i myself wont just say "yeah okay im not gonna fight you, im going home" if i know that in this bounty building is a shotgun dude

[unborn smelt]

but rifles, in BH, are game design wise at an advantage

in QP it's the opposite

because the most important objective actually forces you to engage a shotgun user

[white oasis]

okay

ive never seen anybody back down ever

(except if they already have the bounty and are rushing to the extract)

and my point is that shotguns can create situations where they are severely at an advantage

[unborn smelt]

yeah you havent played that long then - havent you ?

[white oasis]

...

1.5k h mate

[unborn smelt]

or you've been propably the most lucky hunt player

[white oasis]

i know it the best from myself
just cause somebody got a shotgun doesnt mean i wont find a way to kill them

[unborn smelt]

becuase people dragging games to the end of the timer was a relatively common complaint

[white oasis]

ive only been affected by the 45 min timer like once maybe

but my playstyle is not representative

rush bounty, get out

[unborn smelt]

I mean yeah - but 45 min is already after they lowered the timer and gave more tools to manage those situations

[white oasis]

used to give decent bbs :)

[unborn smelt]

Nothing wrongwith rushing playstyle - I do that too

[deft lichen]

haha, sure thing!

[unborn smelt]

but mechanically the game design of BH favors rifle players

[white oasis]

i made peace with the fact that shotguns are generally better, theres always a way around snipers or rifle users
flank em, get close

but no such luck vs shotgunners
really hard to get an angle on em if youre supposed to stay a bit farther away

[unborn smelt]

because the "searching the boss" part happens in a rifles primary range, and the "get out alive" part happens on rifle range too

[hot vigil]

Dunno, just that if I show up at a compound and the bounty team have decided to hunker down, usually walking outside of darksight range makes them move within the next 5min.

[white oasis]

hey i think i can just show you what i mean if we 1v1
(depending on skill gap)

[unborn smelt]

while the killing the boss part is the only one that's indoors - and well this objective is less crucial because you can get quite a lot of money from other sources

[white oasis]

interesting, i might try that then

[unborn smelt]

doesn't always work - but often enough

[hot vigil]

Ofc there are edge cases, where the bounty team are playing for the long haul, then you can't do much than wait.
Or if the extract is in a way where you cannot really cover all exist and still manage to catch up with them.

[unborn smelt]

gotta becareful of where the extracts are tho - if you plan on cathcing em

[white oasis]

imo the "get out" part is really easy
usually you need a scope and its really easy to break line of sight
dirt mounds or compounds everywhere

[white oasis]

i made it a habit to bring beetles and to wallbang their coughing or bleeding bodies

or to enter the building from the other side

[unborn smelt]

That depends - if the people before made the mistake of running into your shotgun - yes. equally so if they just camp 100m away

then getting out is usually easy

how easy or hard iut is depends a lot on what happened before, and how good the team positions

[prime ibex]

@late coyote Nah.

[empty oasis]

#game-ideas message

Yes, there did but there were no special crates and the special boxes were few and far between. No guaranteed spawns

Now there are crates that randomly spawn in compounds (so the same as the boxes) and guaranteed spawns at supply points

Basically, special has lost nothing and gained much. The boxes don't need to be brought back

[vital fractal]

But like I like the idea of the small purple ammo box

So I support it

[iron trench]

@late coyote The normal rain is fine.. the problem is the Heavy Rain... i think if they reduce the time of heavy rain it should be ok...

[queen jungle]

Heavy rain is amazing. Allows you to move more quickly without others hearing you coming

[unborn dagger]

Indeed

[shrewd phoenix]

I'm not able to self-revive as a solo and I have the necromancer trait on... is anyone else experiencing this bug as well?

[empty oasis]

You still had bars left correct?

[shrewd phoenix]

Correct, I was full health and there was no "Self Revive" button at the bottom center of the screen. I don't know what's going on...

[empty oasis]

I've had it happen twice I think. Not sure what triggers it

[shrewd phoenix]

Gotcha, glad to hear it's not only me then... is there a way we can address this to Crytek for next patch?

[empty oasis]

Put it in #bug-reports-pc

[shrewd phoenix]

Will do, thanks

[empty oasis]

#game-ideas message

That sounds like a fire bomb with extra steps

[broken musk]

Yeah but the enflamed oil would last way longer than a fire bomb

On the ground for example

[hot vigil]

Firebombs already last quite the while.
Like don't think it would be broken, just have a hard time thinking when it would be good

[broken musk]

I mean if it had a splash effect, it would cover hunters in oil and slow them down, and they would be extra weak to fire