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brisk timber
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Just yesterday my teammate was pin point tracked 50meter away. The repeadetly shoot the tree he was hiding behind at the end exactly on head height through walls.

little carbon
brisk timber
little carbon
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if they saw him hide behind that tree

brisk timber
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Nope never saw anyone. Behind walls. No cracks whatsoever.

unborn smelt
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just the other day we had someone claim that shooting through stone is impossible in hunt and thus a wallbang through a stone surface is 100% a cheater for example

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that is 100% verifiably wrong

brisk timber
little carbon
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Maybe they even had a teammate see and call it out?

unborn smelt
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or a beetle

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or they used instinct to triangulate where one is

brisk timber
unborn smelt
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no...

brisk timber
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you cant track and pinpoint a head down with instinct champ

unborn smelt
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yes you can

little carbon
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I also had it that i heard someone crouch shuffle at around 20m and just decided to shoot the most likely tree and killed someone

unborn smelt
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it gets exceptionally easier with more people that have it

brisk timber
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they were sitting inside a compound at the bounty

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nobody triangulated us

unborn smelt
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then it wasn't that

brisk timber
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ok fr i hate where this is going

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the days were i argue about a specific occasions on detail are done, its tiresome

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without video proof its nonsense

unborn smelt
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point still being - should one accept personaly estimates as factual evidence ?

brisk timber
unborn smelt
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and to that i still have to say no

brisk timber
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i agree

unborn smelt
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because i've seen so many proovable wrong hackusations in the past

little carbon
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The point is that you are missing their perspetive in cases like that to understand whether they were cheating or not.
If someone shoots you through 4 walls at 300m+, they are cheating or drendering, but these examples just arent clear enough

unborn smelt
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if they pen 4 walls without a nitro they are 100% cheating

little carbon
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i think spitzer could do 4 wooden walls

unborn smelt
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maybe - didn't try it yet

little carbon
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But thats beside the point of course

unborn smelt
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but then again pen also decreases with distance

brisk timber
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Saying its cake isnt the solution either

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If it makes you feel better - go eat it. idc

umbral kettle
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I've had many moments in the game that could seem to the parties killed that i was cheating, but it's just me having 500 hours in the game and getting lucky with wallshots, guess firing and such

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i think if you wanted to get a grasp of how many cheaters there are in hunt you would have to the something like in ''the jiggle that killed tarkov''

trail carbon
brisk timber
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im only judging by my own experience here

dull mason
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The fact that I see more incorrect hackuasations than correct ones makes me very skeptical of anyone calling somebody a cheater

queen jungle
sullen locust
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4 rain maps in a row jfc

trail carbon
# sullen locust 4 rain maps in a row jfc

You do know that the rain event is going on, right? To be fair, I understand that not everyone loves the rain (which is why I don't get why they removed the wildcard contract) but like, I don't know why people are surprised they are getting rain a lot. Maybe they don't know that the chance to get rain is really high? Not trying to say anyone is stupid or anything, just that the rain map should be expected right now because crytek made the wacky decision of making one contract.

dull mason
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Gosh i sure do hate it when game devs implement a widely asked for feature and then expect players to interact with it.

sullen locust
# trail carbon You do know that the rain event is going on, right? To be fair, I understand tha...

I didn't know the chance was high - I thought it was the same as fog/night etc. The Wildcard removal made absolutely no sense to me, the community is so polarized over it why force the ones who don't want to play it have to sit through it.

What would be epic: Make each map type a select-able checkbox so that we can CHOOSE what we are willing to put up with in the rotation.

The bush-camping headsman play rain and night maps while the rest of us enjoy a faster paced game where we can actually hear the audio ques they've spent hours making, breaking and fixing again..

sullen locust
analog willow
# sullen locust I didn't know the chance was high - I thought it was the same as fog/night etc. ...

It's all a balancing act, and there's not enough players unfortunately to have a bunch of different matchmaking options to choose from. Lean one way and the matches are less full, or populated by players of ever increasing skill difference, lean the other, and players have less choice but fairer and fuller matches (and lower ping). In a perfect world, with infinite players, everyone could choose whatever they want, but allas, there are currently less than 28k that have the game open and running. Just gotta get more people playing!

trail carbon
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I personally like the fact that rain takes away the ability to hear players from several compounds over, it makes fights more Midrange, which I think is where hunt shines

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But I understand that not everyone loves the rain as much as I do, so I don't think it's awesome to force rain on everyone.

sullen locust
analog willow
sullen locust
trail carbon
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I will agree, I don't really like the camo Legendary skins

past socket
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F U with you rain, fog and night maps, ban me, I don't care, wtf is with this chance ? I bought the game and content to play not fucking hurt my eyes with the stupid times of day

trail carbon
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The only problem I have with the rain is that many players seem unaffected visually by it, and I am often shot at from 80+ meters away during heavy rain when I can't see anyone that far.

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I like the enforcement of closer engagements the rain brings

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No more Mosin sniper Spitzer from 170+ meters away

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Playing on daytime just feels bad to me, because nobody engages during the day

sullen locust
# trail carbon But I understand that not everyone loves the rain as much as I do, so I don't th...

I don't think I'm being unreasonable though, if I select sunny maps only and get a warning that "Games may take longer to find due to you being a fussy ****" then fair game. That's my choice.

Also while we're here talking about game times etc, the MMR changes? I don't know how we let them get away with making a change that negatively impacts the majority of the player base (4* MMR) by paring us with the upper 5* and 6* MMR players for their sake of not having to wait 5 minutes for a game

In literally every game out there the higher the MMR gets the longer games take to find because the pool thins out...

trail carbon
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The MMR system in hunt is questionable at best

sullen locust
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What? You have everything you've asked for lol

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I feel @past socket's rage - I've already been warned for popping off about it as well

trail carbon
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I think it should be more than just kill based, I think it should account for total bounty and other factors as well

sullen locust
trail carbon
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Man, I like reshade because it allows my colorblind friend to see, but I don't like that it enables this cheating garbage

sullen locust
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Indulge me? What's got your goat.. this is a safe space ❤️

trail carbon
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Oh yeah, that decision was mind-numbingly stupid

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I mean... I like the long ammo nerf in the most recent patch...

sullen locust
trail carbon
sullen locust
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Haha the BB changes pissed me off as well, but there are more worrying things happening in my opionion - skins are one thing but changes that impact my ability to choose how to play the game the way I want to makes me want to peel my face off.

sullen locust
trail carbon
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I do think that forcing people to play in the rain has made people who play campy play on the rain, and I really hate playing with those players.

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They just never engage and it ticks me off

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Yeah, I agree

sullen locust
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I feel like you're choosing to ignore the point I'm getting at, but that sarcastic shtick of yours is getting old so I'll leave you to stew in that sweaty puddle of salt for the rest of this conversation.

sullen locust
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The hint is in the message, tilt your tired head and it may become clearer.

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Anyways, I came to express concern, vent and share some opinions - thanks for the debate both of you @soft drift @trail carbon
Have a good night/day gents

trail carbon
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I mean, special ammo is either just generally worse, a straight upgrade, or not useful in most situations.

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Which I don't like

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I think special ammo should generally be sidegrades

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Slugs, HV, Spitzer, and FMJ are just straight up better than default ammo

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Poison is terrible for PVP, incen used to be terrible, maybe it still is, maybe it isn't, hard to say. Flechettes are fun, but they can't reliably one tap, so they're just bad, penny shot is terrible

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It's like, there's no real middle ground besides bleed ammo

dull mason
trail carbon
dull mason
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fair enough :P

trail carbon
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I will always take fmj on compact and medium guns besides the vetterli

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Vetterli has HV which is just dumb

dull mason
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Hey now, Vetterli doesn't need any nerfs

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It's already struggling ._.

trail carbon
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The HV on vetterli invalidates the centennial's advantage

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I'm not saying to nerf it

brisk timber
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how so?

trail carbon
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But the centennial, despite being my favorite rifle, is kind of just worse than vetterli

brisk timber
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where does vetterli struggle

dull mason
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Vetterli is simply a downgrade to most long ammo (and I would argue some compact ammo) rifles

brisk timber
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ah okay i thought you were going the route that its a joke because useless or smth
Yea your take is valid would agree that its pretty strong. Its basically a straight upgrade for any compact.

sullen locust
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Bro.. I'm mad that they constantly and consistently choice

And yes, night is also shit. Arguably worse because you can throw your gamma and screen brightness up and see better.
Same with rain and reshade I guess

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Didn't mention spitzer once idk where that came from

brisk timber
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Vetterli is pretty good balanced

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I would even argue the HV has it a tiny bit overtuned

dull mason
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I think the RoF is overstated, I think the ammo sharing is unnecessary (if you're actively playing), I think the pen and range matter

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*also the damage matters

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That revive target is often times not within 20m

sullen locust
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I had no issues with snipers.

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I honestly think they don't know what to do about it lol

brisk timber
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The only gun right now thats a bit of a stepchild is Centenniel.
Winfield HS range and Vetterli HV both wrecked its niche
The shorty probably way more played then the base model rn

sullen locust
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they don't have a solution, or the partners havent made enough of a noise yet

native lodge
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HuntDoge why is almost no one in upper elo running it over long ammo then?

dull mason
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The fact that you said Pen is mostly useless is mind boggling to me, the revive target is definitely not always within 20m and most fights aren't head to head

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it's rare that you get 2 shots before they find cover

brisk timber
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I dont agree that vetterli is better than a long ammo gun. But its an cheap sidegrade

trail carbon
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Long ammo is still very strong as well, even with the recent nerf

dull mason
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5/6

heady fjord
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The fact you can go from 3* to 6* to 3* in one session doesn’t help. In other games, you could win every match for a day and not be at the top.

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“Hey there borderline 4/5* star player! Looks like you had a good match! Here’s 5/6* status lol good luck idiot”

dim heron
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we do use elo matchmaking?

heady fjord
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Can’t wait for reshade to get banned too. Jk a corporation would never nuke half its player base.

dim heron
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it's displayed via the star system, but there is a number behind it.

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just like before the stars we had the arrow system

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the game doesn't show you that for a specific reason

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doesn't mean it's not Elo based, not sure what else you would base your matchmaking on.

heady fjord
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I believe there was a way you can see the number in game files

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Out of range headshot get rekt

dim heron
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I don't know the reasoning behind it 100% as I'm not an employee of Crytek and not privy to inside information. But I assume it's because as with any visual of "how good you're doing" people will feind for a higher number making the game unfun for themselves. Don't focus on your Elo, just play the game.

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no it's not

heady fjord
dim heron
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the point of Elo is a ranking system

heady fjord
dim heron
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how it's displayed is up for interpretation be it numbers, stars, arrows, letters, hamburgers

dim heron
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Crytek isn't a AAA company

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good thing this isn't Chess

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You know what other game that's actually had a very competitive seen for years doesn't share your Elo?

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League of Legends

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we're not discussing the community though

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ok?

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this is most likely the reason they don't show it

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"Ok 2 star"

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would become "ok 1000 elo"

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yes, because bein 3 star and going down to 2 star makes the player feel so good

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they want to empy their wallet

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must buy every dlc to get good

brisk timber
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you can read out the number

dim heron
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probably

queen jungle
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You do understand that the two systems depend on each other? SBMM uses the ELO rating of players to try and match equally skilled people against each other.
Without SBMM, there would not be a need for ELO in the first place.

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Yes, because you'd never match a grand master against a novice lol

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SBMM does nothing but take your (or your team's) rating and try to match you against equally skilled players/teams. Nothing else.

analog willow
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As @heady fjord mentioned, there actually is a way to view your specific number in the game files, but I'm not sure where it is located. The star system is just a simplification of the numbers to make "Levels" where people feel they have achieved something by increasing their Star Rating

native lodge
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don't get wrong I love vett HV. but long ammo is easily the better choice

analog willow
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Guess you're going to have to be the one that cares enough to find it 1HuntHowdy

queen jungle
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Please don't spread such blatant misinformation, especially since we have explained the system to you in great detail at this point.

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I'm a volunteer moderating a gaming Discord server to support the community of the game I like. Us moderators are in no way employed by Crytek.

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And everything we told you is the simple and honest truth.

brisk timber
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@soft drift dont know what you speakin off Glare im just an innocent man

void bloom
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I don't see the problem, would you want someone to lever flechette terminus at you or a slate. And a rival would be faster and requires no trait but u have less ammo ready to shoot.

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Dunno in my mind the rival would be better at "spamming" and the slate would still be on par with specter bayo, ppl don't even play that much flechette anyways, it's mostly slug boys

graceful bluff
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@warm fractal no this is not how you balance the nitro

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this is quite literally the opposite of balancing

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just buffing a weapon that doesn't need buffs

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you don't make less shredder users by making shredder less worthful

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you do it by nerfing shredder

warm fractal
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It's worth a try

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Throw it on the test server and see how it plays out

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I would buff the base ammo though, forgot about the situation with console players

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I don't doubt the power of the shredder, but I do think the problem with it in game is exaggerated and its base counterpart could use a buff if someone wants to actually have fun with a nitro, especially at longer distance fights against long ammo rifles, which it should compete against

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I would say there are many more people who are pissed off with the mosin, but that can't be helped so much more than the nitro

vivid totem
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omg crytek fix the damn reconnect stuff, what the actual hell

rotund obsidian
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how about instead of increasing the base ammo velocity we just massively decrease the shredder velocity

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boom, base ammo is now better in comparison

trail roost
unborn dagger
golden salmon
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I really dont like that custom ammo incapcitates u for so long its super annoying makes it a requirement

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Maybe there should be counter options like an armor system that helps u defend against it

hot vigil
golden salmon
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Yeah i guess they still dint feel like they do enough the game revolves around it right now

hot vigil
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Honestly don't think I've been set on fire since the buff, ofc bleed and poison is still there, but eh, never been an issue for me tbh.

rotund obsidian
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I do feel like sometimes special ammo doesn't have a big enough drawback

hot vigil
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Most of all don't think any of the "condition" ammo types really do anything if you know to ignore it.
It is basically just a skill check for stress.

golden salmon
late quartz
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Better to lose a bar than to die and lose it anyway

hot vigil
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late quartz
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The traits are fairly significant, bloodless especailly

hot vigil
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But yeah, understand how fire can feel like an annoyance, but losing a bar is only an issue bc of long ammo works like it does.

late quartz
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I think salveskin could probably be buffed though in light of the incendiary buff. 25% was good when being on fire was so uncommon, but now it's like... not... uncommon

hot vigil
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Sooo

golden salmon
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Bleed and posion are solvable as u can just retreat to heal if your shot withba. Flame round will instantly lose u at least 1 bar

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Once they make rain more rare this will be a bigger issue

hot vigil
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Guess it is now we run big health bar first

late quartz
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To be fair also it's a cost/benefit of small vs large bars. There are so many benefits to small bars in general, factors like necro knocking out a bar and incendiary being more scary feels in line with the benefit of running multiple small bars

hot vigil
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But yeah, seriously, make (non-single fire) long ammo deal less than 125 damage and incendiary would be fine.

late quartz
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I'm sort of with you that there should be more counterplay for fire but I think it's isolated to just fire. They were VERY hesitant to make incendiary ammo stronger, now that they have it'll take some tuning I think

golden salmon
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Im gonna sound dumb can u change the order of health bars?

late quartz
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Yes

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It's free now!

rotund obsidian
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yeah you can respec freely now

golden salmon
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How the hell

hot vigil
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lmao

late quartz
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When you're editing your hunter in the top there's a respect tab

hot vigil
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tho, basically everyone is just doing all small bars now

late quartz
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I don't blame you it's hard to find

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The menu is a fucking mess at this point

golden salmon
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What the fuck hahah damn

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I habe lile 500 hours

late quartz
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It used to cost BBs

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So nobody did it because ????

golden salmon
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Ahh well thanks then

hot vigil
late quartz
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Honestly it's kinda sad that weapons automatically clean now

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I kinda liked my collection of pilfered dolches looking like shit

hot vigil
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Yeah they went a little overboard, like just make it cost 10 hunt buxx

late quartz
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Don't give them too many idea lul

hot vigil
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God forbid people to use their dragons hoard of Hunt dollars

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Speaking as a prestige man

late quartz
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Oh prestige

hot vigil
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But yeah, actually don't mind the auto clean, saves me time in menu's with one thing less to do

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Just make it an option

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To opt out of

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Cain mode

late quartz
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Back in ye olden days MAYBE you could make a case that it pushed people off meta

These days? Tons of weapons only justify their existence in the lineup through variants and custom ammo types. It doesn't really make sense to grind out... idk... lemat slugs or something for loadout variety if you're jsut gonna wipe it. Better to stay on meta, grind quick and get red number to go up

hot vigil
late quartz
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It's never been hard to wipe lobbies with a winfield, the biggest challenge of a fresh prestige isn't the weapons but the traits tbh

hot vigil
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Pls make derringe level 1 unlock, want to do a Derringer only prestige run 😭

golden salmon
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I think dirty weapons should jam and shit and u pay hunt to clean them

hot vigil
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No thanks to "lose more" mechanics

worthy knoll
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I Love the insta Clean. I hate dirty Guns. And there was No logical reason for Hunters to enter With dirty Guns since it could lead malfunctions.

hot vigil
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As I said, it is a loser more mechanic, people shoot you and you go down, now you are 1 health bar down AND your weapons can no jam.
Sounds dreadful lmao :v

unborn dagger
# golden salmon I think dirty weapons should jam and shit and u pay hunt to clean them

Mmmm that mechanic would be nice if it wasn't tied to dying. Dying already has its negatives of losing a chunk, being at 1hp for a new hunter, and even being out of stamina. So not only would you not be able to melee someone close to you, you possibly wouldn't be able to fire your weapon. Hunt should be more of a hardcore game but weapon jamming would be too much

rotund obsidian
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i think snipers should randomly come misaligned (especially when you melee with a gun with a sniper) and you don't find out until you shoot it and miss

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cause fuck snipers in particular

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also make nitro shredder have a 50% chance to just blow up your gun and launch shrapnel directly into your brain, instantly killing you

azure elm
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Yes please😂

golden salmon
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I would def be down with this it would add to the mechanics u go in with a clean gun u got no problem

hot vigil
golden salmon
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Another cool mechanic would be high lvl hunters impriving stats over time like slight faster reload stuff like that

rotund obsidian
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i go down once, get revived, then lose the fight because my gun rolled the dice whether to fire or not? 💀

hot vigil
golden salmon
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Nah tarkov is to much with the medicine and shit

golden salmon
rotund obsidian
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i go down once, get revived, then lose the fight because my gun rolled a 2% chance to not fire? 💀

golden salmon
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Yeah a 2 percent chance out of 100 fires the gun doesnt fire twice haha thats not even bad

rotund obsidian
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what does that mechanic actually add to the game, besides occasional extreme frustration?

hot vigil
little carbon
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There is literally no reason for you to know your own ranking or that of any of your opponents. The only entity that needs to know ELO ratings is the matchmaker.
In reality they should also remove the stars and just have ELO work in the background completely invisible to the player

rotund obsidian
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it's not like it's impossible to find out your ELO anyway

golden salmon
rotund obsidian
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this dude wants to play the hunt beta where fresh hunters started with 100hp instead of 150

golden salmon
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I did play the hunt beta but not what im saying. They keep making the game more complicated which is a good thing all i say is making it more detailed

rotund obsidian
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adding MORE shit to imbalance fights, especially shit like just flat out stat increases? come on.

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we might as well make people roll a dice to decide how much damage they deal per shot.

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we don't need more random shit imbalancing fights and upsetting game balance like varying stats

hot vigil
golden salmon
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Yeah maybe also maybe not depends on how u look at it.

golden salmon
hot vigil
rotund obsidian
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im farming grunts until i max my hunter's stats because if i take a fight before that i'll be disadvantaged and lose my hunter 🤷

golden salmon
rotund obsidian
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yeah fights are imbalanced by the nature of an open map and different guns, but that doesn't mean certain people should just get a flat out stat advantage over others, we already have traits that do that

golden salmon
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Also does anyone know when they added the res yourself off necro as a solo

rotund obsidian
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I disagree, guns are balanced in a certain way for a reason. sure there are traits that affect certain things like reload speed, but only for specific guns, which are balanced around that. I think a 5% faster reload speed WOULD break the game, even if it's in a subtle way.

hot vigil
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Ah Schrodinger's addition:
It will statically affect your actions, but wont matter.

golden salmon
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I just started playing duo queue more so i run into more solo players has necro always let u ressurect yourself

rotund obsidian
hot vigil
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So it have been a thing for half a year give or take

golden salmon
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If were talking about bs that perk is so irritating

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U just have to kill someone and stare at them while they res 4 times

rotund obsidian
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🤷 fire exists, if they just spam rez that speeds up the process

hot vigil
golden salmon
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U cant burn em i had a guy just get up

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U just have to sit there and watch

rotund obsidian
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they can get up while burning, yeah, but they still burn

golden salmon
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Yeah i even put a trap on em still just gets up

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It should be 1 res and not work at all if your on fire

rotund obsidian
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I think it should have the same arbitrary restrictions as regular necro.

hot vigil
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"It ain't fair that teams gets to.."
Yes it is! That is the point, solo is meant to be unfair extra challenge, that is why solos gets more paid out if they succeed!

rotund obsidian
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eh, solos don't pay as much as duos

golden salmon
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I dont mind solo players i minds killing the same guy 5 times

rotund obsidian
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i say just make self-rez deduct 25 hp from what you otherwise would have gotten up with, or just nerf resilience back to 100 lol

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cause like, team necros also take 25hp to rez someone, yknow? where does that hp come from for solos

golden salmon
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The idea that i kill a hunter and jist have to wait till he revives so i can shoot him again is dumb

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And if its a long range shot u cant get to him to light him on fire before he runs i had a dude i killed 3 times let him burn and left and somehow he still didnt die by match end

rotund obsidian
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i don't think solo necro itself needs any random restrictions imposed (other than maybe -25hp), but the other traits that make it so strong could use tuning anyway.

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so basically just nerf conduit+resilience :L

hot vigil
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Payout for solo vs. duo

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Payout for duo vs duo.

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hot vigil
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rotund obsidian
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I find resil just as problematic with regular necro as well, and conduit is just overpowered

golden salmon
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Necro is just not balanced u cant stop it unless u body camp

crystal plume
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Conduit... overpowered? PepeSip

golden salmon
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The fire thing is a waist if they can still get up

hot vigil
rotund obsidian
hot vigil
rotund obsidian
golden salmon
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You have to sit there and body camp u cant leave them or they will just get up and come at u again

rotund obsidian
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I think it's mostly problematic since concertina/poison is so ineffective (in part due to resilience buff)

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I think that more tools should basically hard-shutdown selfrez in combination with burning below a certain threshold, ESPECIALLY poison, but that would probably require some change to antidote

late quartz
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If necro is going to be as strong as it is, both for solos and for teams, I don't think it would be unreasonable to add a tool/consume that hard counters it, along the lines of a choke bomb that fully denies your ability to necro while it's up.

Obviously yes you can use fire and concertina and poison right now, but there are advantages and disadvantages to each of these that don't make any of them a perfect replacement for something like this.
Further, since those 3 are all tools you bring for other reasons than just denying necro, this could justifiably be more powerful in its niche since it would be more specialized

hot vigil
late quartz
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Well, to be quite honest I don't think Necro should be in the game at all

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It was bizarre when they added it and it continutes to get more bizarre as time goes on

rotund obsidian
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yeah i'm not a fan of a hard-shutdown with a tool, especially one that doesn't have any other use

late quartz
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I'm not saying it should have no other uses

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But it should be specialized

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Insofar as it would be a magic denying item, there are plenty of other magic things in hunt that it could interact with

golden salmon
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Just make it to where u cant necro when on fire boom solved

rotund obsidian
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tbh i think that status effects (stam, regen, antidote) should be wiped on a down, or at least on a necro.

golden salmon
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Then u see a solo and u burn em thats it

hot vigil
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Tho honestly as a mainly trio player, I never felt that trio vs. trio necro is an issue.

late quartz
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The benefit of it being a specialized tool is it plays heavily into Hunt's philosophy of having pros and cons to different items

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Fire is already useful for non-necro situations, making it also hard counter necro is a little harsh if we even want necro to exist at all

golden salmon
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Or like he was saying when reviving yourself with necro resilience doesnt proc so u spawn low

rotund obsidian
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if resilience didn't proc at all, a single concertina trap is just a hard shutdown instantly, i'm not sure if i like that

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resilience -25hp tho 👀

late quartz
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I don't think it's gamebreaking per se, I don't like the effect it has on the game but it's not blatantly overpowered all the time.

I'd like to see it be something that isn't as obnoxious to deal with if it really bothers you, but not so easy to counter that it becomes trivial (waiting for solos to burn out slows the pace of the game and is pretty lame for everybody involved)

golden salmon
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Yeah even more when its a big fight and u kill someone then boom there alive again

late quartz
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I'd be interested to see how Necro would be affected if it charred the user rather than just draining current HP

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But y'know... Knock it down to 24 damage

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Or hell 25 with 24 char idk

#

Does nothing for solos but I'd be interested to see it on the TTS for a test

golden salmon
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Yeah i get ya like that bar aint comin back for a while so its a sacrafice

#

Thw whole drains a bar thing seems useless since u can just heal

#

The solo thing is hard honestly remove it or give em 1 time

#

Like at this point they shouldnt get more money because if u have necro then its easier than playing with a team

rotund obsidian
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to be fair, you CAN see your own ELO, it's just not readily available ingame

golden salmon
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Maybe it is but not more than once

#

My man joining the convo 2 hours late we past this shit already

#

Okay statement still stands you 2 late

rotund obsidian
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🤷 i think people who wanna see their elo can do it, but it's also not just there all the time to make people obsess over it. what 'nefarious' reasons could there be?

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the ELO of everyone in a game is in the lastmatch file, so it is readable through third-party programs. i've never looked at the file raw though, not sure if it's legible or not

#

monetization purposes? like, keeping people playing (and therefore spending money)? is an enjoyable experience not the goal?

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that is an interesting thought, but it'd really only work if the ELO were completely hidden from the players in all forms. I can pull up a log of everyone's MMR from my last matches

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i mean yeah but that's not really a good case to make the game unenjoyable for lower-skilled players. It's a delicate situation where you want the game to be balanced at the highest levels, but that balance doesn't always trickle down well to lower-skilled players

open carbon
#

I think people knowing their actual ELO numbers etc might help with them being more content with their skill level without it going to their head ... Because it would be very stupid to assume they're "good" while still having their lack of skill shown to them by not being in the highest bracket.

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Being 3* or 4* would still mean I'd be "average" at most. I'd want better players in my lobby though, I get nothing out of fighting weaker players

#

I don't understand this one 😅

#

Ah ok I might've missed that

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BUT

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attributes.xml

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Contains actual ELO numbers etc lol

#

Why not?

#

Am I making too much sense? HuntKappa

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I don't leave the house without antidotes, so I'm good

#

Anyway. Here's my full take: Give option to disable SBMM. Display both star brackets and actual ELO for every player AND team. Increase max matchmaking times to facilitate more even matches..

#

Oh someone just left unwillingly it seems HuntHarold

hot vigil
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Deported

crystal plume
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If anything I wish they never showed ANY indication of MMR or elo

open carbon
#

Did I forget sth in my take on matchmaking?

hot vigil
open carbon
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I can still hide MMR for myself and never think about it again

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Which does not make all the mindless complaints go away though

little carbon
# open carbon I think people knowing their actual ELO numbers etc might help with them being m...

Sadly, history has shown that people knowing their own rank usually has the adverse effect, making them less content with their skill level. Or to be more precise, wanting to achieve as high of a number as possible with their skill.
People will play around gaining/not loosing ELO. It simply not showing allows people, or rather forces people to just play instead of worrying about the number.
It also has the neat side effect that there would be less confusion about the fact that the stars and the matchmaking brackets are two separate entities.
On a side note, why would it be bad if a mediocre player thought that they were good at the game. Its hurting no one

celest spindle
#

did someone get banned

open carbon
crystal plume
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I don't know the exact public stance on it so can't comment on that

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But I do know that the main site using said file is breaching privacy laws

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And could probably easily be sued

little carbon
celest spindle
open carbon
little carbon
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But crytek of course could make it against their ToS to talk about that file on here

crystal plume
hot vigil
crystal plume
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But there's a difference between what's generally viewed as datamining and simply opening a file and looking at it without any extra tools

open carbon
crystal plume
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Imo they should just encrypt the MMR values in the file but we'll see what they will do with it

open carbon
crystal plume
#

It's literally just a file in the Hunt's install folder

open carbon
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Yeah just making sure ;D

little carbon
hot vigil
#

Ah so people changing or reading data from that?

open carbon
hot vigil
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Aaaah that

open carbon
#

It's also always one match behind

celest spindle
#

doubt any company allows datamining, unless the company makes like encrypted stuff and challenge people to do so

open carbon
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So you cannot extract actual relevant data from it, because the moment it is saved to the file, it's already obsolete

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You can use it to track your own ELO though, and your teammates if you so desire

celest spindle
hot vigil
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I know this might dangerous thing to say, especially bc I have little knowledge about laws.
But dunno, feel like I have the rights to look at any file om my pc

crystal plume
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The site is the one breaching EU privacy laws

open carbon
celest spindle
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ahhh

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EU privacy laws, i thought yall meant ingame privacy policies

open carbon
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While datamining usually falls under copyright laws and such

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Or trade secrets etc

hardy coral
#

Nitro needs a total rework but a couple of nerfs would be nice.

#

The hipfire needs to be way wider, the shredder needs to give no additional range (maybe the new upside is that it deals even more damage to AI instead so you can oneshot the spider via headshot or something) and the reload should be longer.

#

I can't believe how it has remained in this state for so long when it is so obviously completely broken.

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Inordinate focus on the avto which hasn't been OP since the rework.

pallid kernel
#

Somebody got shot by a Nitro

queen jungle
hardy coral
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And people were discussing it in suggestions.

azure elm
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Nitro is broken. Not really debatable.

crystal plume
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Imo base nitro is fine, what originally was just dumdum ammo for it with slightly less 1 tap range but with heavy bleed on top and was already the better pick for pvp just got buffed too hard and is too much now

azure elm
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Base nitro damage I suppose is fine. I thing hip fire spread needs to be increased and shredder range needs big reduction.

#

Resupply is already only 1 bullet so that’s chill.

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It is an elephant gun after all. I expect high damage.

dull mason
#

I don't mind base Nitro at all, but that range increase is nasty

azure elm
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@cunning dew I like the idea of combining traits and such. Definitely the idea would need some more workshopping to make balancing work properly. But I would like to see perks be more competitive to each other. i.e. taking this perk over this perk will give you this bonus as opposed to that bonus, where both perks are similar in structure but provide slightly different bonuses. I’m not sure if that last part makes complete sense. 😅

cunning dew
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@azure elm yeah I gotcha. What I proposed doesn't have to be exact but something in that ballpark would be good imo. There are a lot of traits that most people don't get and traits that should be merged so I definitely don't see why they wouldn't at least take a look at some of them

azure elm
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Yeah I think some of them could definitely be adjusted just for the sake of cutting those less picked perks.

vital fractal
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I am in the minority here it seems but, although I agree tomahawk and- maybe assailant, although I really am only thinking throwing knife melee should be buffed- I actually enjoy the fact that the scopes smiths and iron-x traits are separate. It forces a hunter to specialize in a specific loadout and invest into said loadout. I like the idea that, should a player be presented with the option of swapping guns mid game- they have to consider if losing access to a perk for the remainder of the game is worth the new gun. Ex: low ammo on lebel marksmen with marksmen scope smith but finds in a tower a centennial sniper with full ammo, do you take it?

azure elm
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@humble quartz could be cool. Maybe on the standard skin you get a little tally scratched into the gun. I suppose that could be optional to do but maybe up to 10 tallies or something?

humble quartz
azure elm
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I mean yeah the work probably isn’t worth it but would be cool!

graceful bluff
#

the nitro base ammo can already one tap up to 40m

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not a headshot, an upper torso shot

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shredder is about 60-70, I don't remember completely

#

shredder needs to be brought down

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not base being brought up

crystal plume
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Nitro has the same damage multiplier for both lower and upper torso

graceful bluff
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that only makes it better

weak tulip
#

Not the biggest fan of having so many night maps in rotation

past socket
# weak tulip Not the biggest fan of having so many night maps in rotation

they did mistakes, first they increased the chance of rain maps while there were 2 separate ways to play, normal and wildcard, then they joined the 2 ways, I bet they forgot to change back the chance of rain maps and night maps, they must have over 50% chance, game sucks so much right now, loads of friends just quitted after they finished the event because of that...

queen jungle
chilly nova
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quit forcing me to play rain, quit forcing me to play rain, quit forcing me to play rain, quit forcing me to play rain, quit forcing me to play rain, quit forcing me to play rain, quit forcing me to play rain, quit forcing me to play rain, quit forcing me to play rain,

unborn dagger
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@sweet fox You have very similar options to your suggestion, hand crossbow and the bow itself.

sweet fox
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sure, but they are all mechanically and aesthetically different. there is no proper substitute for running say steel balls and the explosive harpoon.

unborn dagger
#

That's fair maybe they can make a variant where it's slightly more accurate since bomb lance isn't exactly made for shooting

blissful parcel
#

Steel balls for the crossbow? But that would further nerf the bomblance, it needs some ammo types that no other weapon has imo

hardy coral
#

Crossbow doesn't really need any more ammo types tbh.

#

And steel balls on it would overlap too much with the regular bolt.

#

Bomb lance could use a reload reduction from bolt thrower and that's about it. The steel balls are quite strong and it is the best weapon in the game for clearing all types of AI bar immolators.

chilly nova
#

how is desync in this game still so fucking terrible?

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i feel like i'm chasing a high i'm just never gonna get back to with this game. i think it's close to time i go cold turkey

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and then after saying that, i legit die to desync by running next to a fucking wall

karmic ivy
brisk timber
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#game-ideas message
@wary hinge
Do you rather have nothing? Because nothing is what you usually get when the battlepass is done.
Or would you rather have a nice hunter skin most of the playerbase cant get because the grind is too hard?

i can understand people complain about things but this right here is hypocritical
This little charm is just a gimmick for people who are hunt addicts and keep on grinding anyway. A little gift. Like the chocolate on the pillow of hotel room.

wary hinge
#

15k for a weapon charm is ridiculous no matter the scenario lol

#

Sure ide rather not have nothing
But that doesn't mean they should just instantly put something worth very little for an extremely disproportionate grind

brisk timber
#

I didnt invest a single thing
I dide my weekly
Watched some streams

Im at 7.5k of bonus exp with 20d left

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This is not insane

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Its for those daily players that play anyway. Reward or not.

analog willow
flat sandal
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It's a bit of a weird decision but last time ppl complained that there was nothing. At least now you know what's happening and can decide to do the Grind for a bloody charm or forget about it and train your fomo resistance.

somber jewel
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btw just reached tier 50, and the BONUS reward requires 15000 points to complete

flat sandal
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It's not a dis towards the devs. They have to do something, but this fomo bs in gaming really starts to piss me off and we should start a Revolution:D

#

It's honestly a big "F you" to gamers and I'm sad to see my fellow peeps fall one by one.

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Just don't do that shit. Sit the F down and find a better way and then make a sing and dance about it. Its gotten so bad that I bet there is actually a nich opening up for Moral behaviour in monetisation 😄

analog willow
flat sandal
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Absolutely

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Doesnt have to be fomo stuff though

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It's like, okay so ppl get bored with the game. The solution is this? Surely not. It works but it sucks. Again, I like crytek and its Standard rn. I just would like them to turn more towards the light rather then the dark 😄

analog willow
flat sandal
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I do t mind things being special that much and its not very bad in hunt. The problem with the event is more what the guy just said in feedback. Progressing is basically doing the challenges and they suck a lot imo.

#

Got to say though, I much rather have skins available to purchase forever then fomo tactics being used at all. It is simply not worth it.

#

I mean it really does something to young ppls minds and is deeply imoral really when you think about it. Again, in general. I love hunt and it would be nice for the game I love to be a beacon for this cause. Im sure there would be a way to make it rewarding for them somehow.

#

Really there has got to be a win win scenario in this somewhere.

#

If you think that's dramatic. It really isn't 😄

somber jewel
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And the worst part is that the events lately are actually fun. The pacts and unique traits mechanics are fun, there is an outdoors boss now too. The skins are nice, the new hunters are nice. But working towards them is just such a massive chore and it takes the fun out of it

analog willow
somber jewel
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Wanna get some good use of death cheat trait to speed up some prestige? nop. No prestige. You can't prestige because if you do, you will spend EVEN LONGER playing weapons you don't enjoy, so you can unlock custom ammo that you also do not enjoy, so you can complete the challenges and work towards the event

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pure misery

flat sandal
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Yeah, leaning into this mechanic So much with normal challenges, quests and Events is weird.

#

I might be wrong but I would think it's something some people enjoy sometimes. That would be something you could use as a mechanic that can be safely ignored by the Player. It can't if you are about skins and lets be real. For some really strange reason, we pretty much all are 😄

late quartz
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People like substantive gameplay changes. People like pacts and event traits because they're interesting gameplay elements that give players something new and exciting to play with, learn about, theory craft.

Hunt has frankly never had a good event, all the way back to As The Crow Flies the massive hype and excitement around the addition of a brand new boss was embroiled with controversy and frustration around the long tedious uninteresting grind.

Things have certainly gotten better in some aspects, the introduction of pvp incentives alongside pve/world incentives was a major change we've seen in events, however the reality is that cryteks attempts to balance monetization and bolstering player counts have always ended up too intrusive

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New content is held hostage alongside events. It's hard to be truly excited about new shit like bosses and weapons when they become a way to get you hooked on an event grind rather than an experience onto their own

flat sandal
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Yeah I already don't like this event pass template, unfortunately the Grind for it in hunt makes it worse 😄

lavish thunder
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the events just cause fomo, then after the event the players shrinks and its just a revolving cycle. If they want to survive they have to create more than just running around finding and killing mobs, bosses and gathering clues and bounties and fighting ppl.

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the past 2 events have been fun but they are just copy and paste of each other. no really new elements to the game. same old grind, collecting, killing ppl. and the mmr is so broken, ppl abuse the quick play to derank and all kinds of shiz goes on and dev dont do shiz about it.

#

how can you have a lobby with 2 stars and 6 stars?? and thats balanced?

#

so many 5 and 6 stars solo now because it puts them in a lower mmr for just being solo, how is that fair? i feel bad for the new players man, they just get wacked then quit.

flat sandal
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Yeah, at the beginning of the event I just couldn't seem to loose because of all the New players. It was almost too easy. But what can you do? 😄 that was me playing in teams as well. I usually do so no accidental deranking. I don't know what's going on there. I doubt that crytek is being stupid about it though. Its just something we don't understand.

#

After the obvious issues are finally fixed (and there may be good reasons not to do so) it should get better with a growing Player base

#

Events do let something behind gameplay wise but it does seem like a lot is being put in effort wise for just temporary benefit, like fire and rain for example.

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I just hope there is a masterplan and eventually all this will culminate into something great 😄 gamers just never learn 😄 we are so hypeable and its great but its getting exploited 😄 very naughty, keep being good devs^^

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Sry, just in that mood today with a lot of down time 😄

last blaze
#

@somber jewel how can you not finish the challanges in a week most of them you can do without even knowing you have to

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and they give you like 2 months to finish the event

flat sandal
last blaze
flat sandal
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But you are forced of you want to progress in the event or just want the BBs.

#

Challenges deversify the loadouts ppl play long term, which is a good thing for the Player who Repertoire is being deversified and everyone else. But, after that the challenges are just annoying if you don't have much time to play and otherwise

hardy coral
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If you do just the 1 star challenges you can do it in 15 games. If you do the 2 star challenges in one game also you only need 6 games.

flat sandal
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In Theory. Thats a lot of games for a lot of ppl too. Possibly most games they play in a week

last blaze
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this is basicly the darksouls easy mode argument

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just because some people can't do it does not mean you need to change the game

flat sandal
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It's not annoying cause its hard

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Not sure why ppl defend a placeholder mechanic like that

#

It really seems like someone got told. "Here is your Budget, give us some gameplay on the cheap for now"

last blaze
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how is it place holder when there has been 2 different versions of it before

open carbon
flat sandal
#

And to be fair, the goal was probably also to have ppl try different things

last blaze
#

goldenen?

flat sandal
open carbon
flat sandal
#

Goal sry, autocorrect keeps screwing me

last blaze
#

when the challenges are challenging 🤓

open carbon
flat sandal
open carbon
flat sandal
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They are not challenging

last blaze
#

then what is the problem

open carbon
flat sandal
open carbon
#

That is per definition "subjective"

flat sandal
#

I do t think we understand each other 😄

mystic ridge
#

What's the problem with the challenges

last blaze
#

what an argument

#

who knows

open carbon
flat sandal
#

It's not about difficulty

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I mean, if someone tell me with a straight face that this is a good mechanic they can't be looking at it objectivly

mystic ridge
#

But what's bad about it

last blaze
#

tell us why it's not a good mechanic if it's so blatant

flat sandal
#

Someone summarized it in feedback

open carbon
mystic ridge
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Gives you blood bonds and money, gets you trying different guns sometimes. Most of them are easy "kill 15 grunts"

open carbon
flat sandal
#

It's one of the last

mystic ridge
#

So they don't like the ones that require doing dmg to other hunters

little jackal
#

pacifist

flat sandal
#

Or just forcing loadouts on you

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If you got tons of time it might not be an issue as it only takes a small proportion of your time

little jackal
#

2 hours daily, 4 on weekends, sounds like a lot of time

flat sandal
#

How much of that do you want to spend playing stuff you do t want to?

little jackal
#

I never play stuff I don't want to

open carbon
flat sandal
flat sandal
open carbon
#

It's as if you'd be complaining about free hunters having a specific loadout and crying for changes bc you don't like some stuff they come with

#

Because they're fOrCiNg YoU

flat sandal
open carbon
#

As soon as someone says they're "forced" to play a certain way, I stop taking their arguments seriously bc they are just so out of touch with reality

last blaze
#

you could say that the game is forcing you to play loadouts you don't want to because they nerfed avto or something but that's not an argument

flat sandal
open carbon
#

Because nobody ever is being forced to do anything in the game

#

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and telling you to play a specific way

flat sandal
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Erm okay

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How about feeling forced?

open carbon
#

Or forcing you to play at all, for that matter

flat sandal
#

Is that better?

open carbon
#

Yeah your feelings are wrong then

flat sandal
#

It's a feeling you might want to avoid putting on your players

mystic ridge
#

Have your friends do the challenges for you HuntChad

open carbon
#

Eh no it's a feeling players put on themselves

flat sandal
#

No it's not

open carbon
#

If you ever "feel forced" in a game, get fucking help

flat sandal
#

How many hours do you have I the game?

open carbon
#

1.8k

flat sandal
#

Okay I assume you are trolling now

open carbon
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I am not

flat sandal
#

Not about the hours

last blaze
#

🤓

open carbon
#

Ah it's easy to disregard arguments you don't like by making it about the people who make said arguments

flat sandal
#

Well then you have no clue about psychology

open carbon
#

Also wrong

flat sandal
#

Why do you think all this shit Works in the first place?

mystic ridge
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Games fun I play it

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Games shit I don't play it

flat sandal
#

You are looking at if through your Personal Filter. Im trying to look at the whole picture. But anyway

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That's very Black and white

mystic ridge
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Yeah

flat sandal
#

Why you on the discord then?

open carbon
last blaze
#

how ever you're looking at it does not change the argument

mystic ridge
#

Games fun. I like talking about it with people who play the game

open carbon
#

Don't try to argue about objectivity because games aren't about being objective or objectively good or stuff like that

flat sandal
last blaze
#

oh lawd he brining out the big words

mystic ridge
#

Mykl you don't understand, my personal objective pov of Hunt is more objective than your subjective one

flat sandal
#

Ehat big word?

flat sandal
mystic ridge
#

If there's a challenge I don't want to do, I don't do it, cuz it's not fun

last blaze
#

we're not even talking about the challanges anymore XD

mystic ridge
#

Can't you also reshuffle challenges

last blaze
#

you can just ask your team mate to do it

flat sandal
#

Brah

open carbon
flat sandal
#

Sounds like a great mechanic then

open carbon
#

And I'm being aggressive for saying it's not about stuff being "objective"

mystic ridge
#

I don't like having to kill 15 grunts, it means going out of my way to kill 15 grunts, I feel forced to kill 15 grunts

flat sandal
mystic ridge
#

So challenge system bad

little jackal
# flat sandal Well then you have no clue about psychology

I get the point in general, but the thing is, this event (with the drops on top) is so far from being grindy that these fomo people fear for no reason. I've barely touched the game for a couple of weeks and still very much on track for that useless bonus points thing. You get 7 reshuffles per week, it's really hard to get simultaneously all 4 challenges that don't fit your playstyle. The system is whatever, it could be more creative sure. At least it's not the absolutely ridiculous altar collecting that we had during events a year or two ago

mystic ridge
#

They are optional challenges that you don't have to do and don't add much to the game

open carbon
#

Which is the hill I'll die on

mystic ridge
#

I like doing the challenges sometimes because they give me guns to try out when I don't know what to run

flat sandal
#

Exactly, sometimes I like it too. More at the start now not sp much anymore

mystic ridge
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But if it tells me to use something I don't want to use I don't even reshuffle I just don't do it cuz idc

#

They're a little thing on the side to do during matches

open carbon
#

Yeah and all arguments using the term "being forced" is invalid because wrong

flat sandal
#

That fine and you own thing. Objectively there is a proportion of ppl thinking that way and several different proportions. However you want to categorize it.

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No?

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So you can look at it that way. No?

open carbon
#

Again with the "objective" stuff. Stop trying to make your subjective ideas look like they're not

mystic ridge
#

I don't get what you mean, sure there are some people that don't like the challenges, they can just not do them

flat sandal
open carbon
mystic ridge
#

It is impossible to make a challenge system that everyone will like

#

There will always be someone who doesn't like it

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But the good thing is, it's all entirely optional

last blaze
open carbon
#

The moment you start arguing in bad faith, that's the point most people will disengage from the conversation

flat sandal
#

Like BBs or completing the pass

open carbon
#

If it wasn't about this

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It'd be complaints about sth else

flat sandal
#

Is it now?

open carbon
#

You can't stop people from feeling things about things

flat sandal
#

Dude stop

open carbon
#

Don't tell me what to do

flat sandal
#

Im cringing a bit, sry 😄

hexed seal
#

dont know thats common in rain maps now but we did take clue and get killed with shotgun and the clue didnt make any sound at all and clearly within 20m range ??/

mystic ridge
#

You get rewarded for doing the challenges, they're never crazy hard or force you to go out of your way. If there's a challenge you don't like you can reshuffle, if you still don't like it, you can just say "Oh well, I won't get 50 hunt dollars"

flat sandal
little jackal
#

yeah that one is sad

mystic ridge
#

I'm glad bbs aren't tied to things like removing perks, that was a very strange idea

flat sandal
open carbon
flat sandal
#

Btw, so are they "challenges" then?

#

They just happen on the side for a lot of you and annoy others with little time?

#

That sounds like a good mechanic?

#

You can literelly science the shit out of these things making them less subjective.

mystic ridge
#

Doesn't take me long to kill 3 hives with fire

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1 game

open carbon
#

Can't imagine how annoying it must be to be expected to do stuff for rewards

flat sandal
#

No but it loud

mystic ridge
#

And while I'm at it I'll kill 15 grunts, and kill 3 immolators with poison

flat sandal
mystic ridge
#

Throwing a lantern at a hive before I leave a compound

open carbon
open carbon
mystic ridge
#

I'm intrigued, what would your challenges be?

flat sandal
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Hmm, that really does Sound like something I want to do in a Match:D

open carbon
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That can't be surprising to you

mystic ridge
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Can you give some examples of what challenges you would have

flat sandal
mystic ridge
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Yes

open carbon
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You know, I subjectively think the challenges aren't challenging enough

flat sandal
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Cool

flat sandal
# mystic ridge Yes

There were some good Suggestion I think. Not sure I got the time rn. Kinda at work wanting to start some stuff 😄

little jackal
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floor is lava challenge

flat sandal
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I do have some ideas. Are they better, 8 dont know. That shit hard^^

mystic ridge
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They just put "add creative diverse and engaging challenges"

open carbon
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I want a challenge that asks me to kill the Butcher with fire damage HuntKappa

flat sandal
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Challenges of this kind, as in not in a Match should be on the side only t9 start with I tjink

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On the side meaning i should t have to worry about them. Kill x y z

open carbon
flat sandal
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No special conditions idk

mystic ridge
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Challenge : play the game

flat sandal
open carbon
flat sandal
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You could be asked to pick up challenges in a match

flat sandal
open carbon
flat sandal
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Dude, this is going nowhere

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No to what you said

open carbon
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Yeah because you're not even willing to make an actual effort for your argument, let alone the challenges.

flat sandal
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Sry, why are you on my balls?

open carbon
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Because you're whining about being forced to play the game a certain way and want to be pandered to

flat sandal
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Jeopardy music playing

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Okay bro

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Is that what I am doing? Cool

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Thanks for making me a better person

open carbon
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I'm just giving you contra so people don't falsely believe people agree with you

flat sandal
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My man, I dont want to have Fights with randos on the internet of you don't mind

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Wow, you have ways to go

open carbon
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Then buzz off because that's all you'll be getting here with these kind of arguments you make

flat sandal
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Falsly? So you are objectively right? 😄

mystic ridge
flat sandal
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How about you tell us your feedback rather then shitting on ppl all the time?

open carbon
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You've been asked to provide examples but you immediately make up excuses why you can't right now, so you're literally complaining about things you yourself aren't even willing to offer actual suggestions for improvement

flat sandal
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Are you bored? Why are you here?

flat sandal
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Not really up for searching it rn

open carbon
# flat sandal Not really up for searching it rn

Yeah because it would take the tiniest smidge of effort, and as we have established, putting effort into anything constructive is not your style. Oh lord, someone would be forcing you to back up your stuff with actual ideas

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Or at least a link

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If you already have done those

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But no, instead, excuses

flat sandal
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Okay mum

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Are you for Real?

lusty basalt
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What’s the debate

flat sandal
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What is your feedback? Come on

lusty basalt
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Someone catch me up

flat sandal
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Urgh

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Idk

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This guy is shitting on me. Kot sure why

mystic ridge
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Hi Saucy

open carbon
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You've been asked to provide some actual examples of what you think would be better challenges, you keep evading, only thing I've heard so far that's even close to a "suggestion" is the thing about picking up challenges in matches. That's not a new idea and not what the argument was about

flat sandal
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Are you actually my mum?

open carbon
flat sandal
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Im literelly wearing gloves rn

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Not sure who you think you are talking to random people on the internet like that. Too much time on Twitter?

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Great now I mixed up my tubes 😄

open carbon
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Going for personal attacks now

lusty basalt
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Is it about challenges I think a lot of them are dog Shit counter intuitive

open carbon
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Great

flat sandal
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Oh careful

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Actually, you can take over. Enjoy

open carbon
mystic ridge
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Hi Saucy, what do you not like about the challenges

flat sandal
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You realise it wasn't my feedback?

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Never mind

lusty basalt
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The “use shotgun/pistol/fmj dmg” stuff is fine cuz even tho it incentivizes you to try new stuff u can still play the game in a generally similar way that isn’t far fetched

flat sandal
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Incentivise, dam why did I not think about that? 😄

open carbon
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I do love that you just said "incentivized". That's so much of a better way to put it. I still think, regarding your example, it's kinda supposed to be noisy, it feels like. Not sure about the waste of ammo either 😅 But that's subjective

flat sandal
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Good lord

lusty basalt
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Well if there’s no lanterns around u have to use ur ammo; and I don’t want to use a lantern or my ammo to deal with something I could kill quietly and not give my position away at all

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It’s a stupid challenge honestly, as an example

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And killing immolators with choke bombs is another stupid one

open carbon
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I'd also love some bigger challenges that, dunno, limit for example how many of certain somethings you kill or stuff like that

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Like, kill no more than 10 hellhounds

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Some penalties for failing those would also be interesting :D

lusty basalt
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Doesn’t really make sense to limit it, most people would prefer to avoid dogs cuz they’re annoying and can easily cost u a health bar to heal if u fumble a melee Vs 3-4

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I’d just rather the challenges be very simple, cut dry and to the point

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The game is already challenging enough as is

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Remove the stupid ones and honestly I’d be content lol Ngl

flat sandal
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Agree, incentivising you to play a certain way is bad if its not immersive imo. If that makes sense

lusty basalt
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I mostly agree, using choke bombs on an immolator is immersive in the sense that it does make sense right but it’s just stupid from a gameplay point of view cuz chokes r incredibly valuable and wasting it on a stupid immolators that can do in 3 hits from ur gun melee is dumb

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I’m just against the ones that are really out of the way that almost nobody would realistically do unless they’re absolutely new to the game and don’t know better

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Like u do not see people with fire ammo willingly shooting dogs and hives or armoreds lol they deal with it with throwing axes or melee

flat sandal
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Yeah also mean stuff like killing hives with fire. For example. It would be fine maybe as a global challenge with a Story behind it

lusty basalt
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Yea, that’d make it more understandable. Still stupid but either way it’s just dumb overall

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But my point remains

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And I think it’s very fair

flat sandal
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Would you say then it is subjective or objective? Since you were asking what this Was about. 😄

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You don't have to answer that

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We should be able to agree that it is kinda stupid, yeah

lusty basalt
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It’s subjective technically

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Some people might think it’s fine lmao

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“Yea man killing immolators with chokes is brilliant!”

flat sandal
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You weren't supposed to answer that 😄

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It's also subjective but im sitting here thinking that the current thing with the challenges is hilariously bad. No knock on the devs, I assume it's wip

lusty basalt
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I mean devs created trials, an utter abomination. Is what it is

open carbon
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They always bring fire ammo

lusty basalt
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See what I mean 💀

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Maybe he’s just doing it to do it cuz he has 1.6k lmao

open carbon
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Yeah but they did so before the challenges were introduced 😂

lusty basalt
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Ah

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Can’t teach an old dog new tricks ig

open carbon
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Yeah that might be it xD

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It's just funny though, nobody suffers from it really

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Except the ammo reserves

lusty basalt
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If my teammate was constantly shooting ai every chance he got I’d stop playing with them 💀

open carbon
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Not all AI, just dogs and hives and armoreds

lusty basalt
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I enjoy the stealthy approach until a fight actually breaks out way too much, unless it’s one of those idgaf we’re just here to cause problems kind of game(s)

open carbon
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Sometimes grunts if too close to switch to melee

lusty basalt
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😂😂

open carbon
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They bring their Vetterli in the silencer variant at least, not so stupid as to just keep announcing our location with gunfire

lusty basalt
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Vetterli silencer with fire ammo? Nervous

open carbon
# flat sandal It's also subjective but im sitting here thinking that the current thing with th...

Just to try and bury the presumed hatchet here... I totally agree there could be improvements, I specifically want more and harder challenges, don't care about the rewards though, they're just fluff. Can't argue with some being about doing stuff against better judgement as with the examples you guys provided. And fortunately it seems we're all on track about the subjectivity of these things. Because besides the "kill enemy stalker beetle" and "kill enemy with stalker beetle", I personally have yet to find one that annoys me, and even then I can just reroll or ignore it

open carbon
flat sandal
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Rn I think they take up space poorly that could be taken up well. Just keeping it General as it is a feedback not a Suggestion. Im not a game Designer nor do I know the challenges assiciated with designing a game. There just has to be a better way. And again, for sure don't gate stuff behind them in the current state imo

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Especially not BBs after basically taking them away. That's real bad rep for challenges ^^

open carbon
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The BB rewards thing is a different topic I think, but are there any actual suggestions you can link to? I'm always eager to see what people come up with

flat sandal
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Not really, I discussed it many times before with ppl who ended up making suggestions. Its also okay to point out what not to do. With challenges rn it seems obvious and has pretty much been covered. I also notice that noone really pointed out what they really enjoy about them^^ only that they aren't bothered by them

open carbon
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I think it'd be best if we'd consolidate all the ideas into a big suggestion, instead of having all of them go under in all the discussion that's going on..

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Also, good point actually.. Never bothered to think about which ones I prefer tbh

flat sandal
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In this Form they just should take a back seat and something else should take its place

open carbon
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You mean as a progression gate?

flat sandal
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Something in game and more immersive, something that isnt "stupid"

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These in menu things are usually something you can ignore. Its to important rn imo

open carbon
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Definitely could put it more in-game. Bulletin boards at spawns and compounds or sth like that. Less time spent in the menu is more time spent in the Bayou

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"Kill the Assassin with a sticky bomb" would be the kind of challenges I'd want to see, btw

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Stuff that's actually hard to achieve

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But there should be more than two difficulty/reward tiers for stuff like that

lusty basalt
flat sandal
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If it was me I would make a rule that everything added to the game must make sense from the standpoint of running some faction on the game World

open carbon
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And, to get to pointing out some challenges I like.. I kind of understand now why I at least haven't done that sooner: Because most of them are the ones there's been complaints about 😅 Stuff like deal x dmg with y ammo type or gun, make headshots with pistols from over 50m, that kind of stuff

lusty basalt
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Headshot challenges r cool

open carbon
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Right?

lusty basalt
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Stuff like that I’m fine with and think is healthy

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Not choke bomb immolators 💀

open carbon
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Choke bolts also count for that one btw ^^ as do beetles, I think

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Can't confirm the latter though

flat sandal
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Yeah stuff like that is fine as something running in the background poppig up towards sometimes

little carbon
lusty basalt
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Shotgun damage challenges get me going

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I love any reason to use a shotgun

open carbon
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Hehe 😈 Right there with you

lusty basalt
open carbon
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Challenges also made me fall back in love with the Winnie, and the bomb lance

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It's a love triangle, in the Lawson Δ 🎶

little carbon
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I think most challenges are absolutely fine. Most of them are mostly under your control whether you can complete them or not.
I'd argue that a few like the "kill with melee" arent that good, because you simply cant get reliable melee kills without camping a corner if your enemy doesnt make a big mistake. At least not in 6*

little carbon
open carbon
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Yeah, one sometimes forgets that

open carbon
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Is there anyone that actually wants to be 6* ? :P

little carbon
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Its honestly not as bad as people make it out to be. I think a lot of the complaints from people about "everyone in high ELO plays awful playstyles" comes from people who play awful playstyles themselves.
I mean yes you find some sniper campers or people that refuse to move agressively at all, but you have similar problem groups on all ELO's

flat sandal
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That is the one plus about challenges imo. They do open up more possibilities because you have to try out things.

flat sandal
open carbon
flat sandal
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Things in the menu could suddenly make sense and that would probably be a good thing overall

open carbon
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I agree, lore-friendliness is always a good thing

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But I'd say it's also lore-friendly to have some wackos issue challenges like "gather 4 lanterns and put them on a pile of wood in Lockbay" HuntHarold

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If Monroe was issuing challenges, what would they be, I wonder

flat sandal
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I always leave teams with Monroe in them 😄

open carbon
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Premades aren't that hard on each other ;D

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Did you know there's players that actually do RP in-game? ^^

little carbon
# flat sandal Not sure if there would be many downsides in treating it as a sim.

Kind of. And kind of not.
You have to consider that competitive-principled (which Hunts current design fits well) and immersive are two rivaling game design philosophies. One makes decision based on how immersive a feature is (or realistic in the subcase of realistic sims) the other makes decisions based on balance and what creates the most meaningful decision points in game.

That doesnt mean that both of those cannot coexist, but there needs to be a decision on which philosphy takes precedence if they contradict each other in a feature. And in Hunts case they seem to favour the competitive side.

So i think in cases like having the challenges in match it wouldnt hurt cause it doesnt hurt the competitive elements, but i wouldnt say that using immersion as a blanket decision maker wouldn't be a good idea

flat sandal
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Not kink shaming ^^

open carbon
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Not THAT kind of RP xD

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But you, too, will one day run into lockbay and be offered duck soup by the Derringer Bros.

flat sandal
brisk timber
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Bes challenges are "find 3 clues" and "deal damage to hunters"

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because you just do them anyway

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The rest is just annoying fetch quests

open carbon
brisk timber
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Would love more of those quest that come naturally

flat sandal
brisk timber
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right of the bat reall easy stupid ones i can think of would be smth like
"Open 20 different doors" "Falling 3 times takin damage"

open carbon
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Kill hunters mid-air

brisk timber
open carbon
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Because RNG

flat sandal
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See that all is legit achievment Level stuff. That I personally completely and safely ignore

brisk timber
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"Punch 3 grunts with a tool"

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😄

open carbon
brisk timber
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but i guess @open carbon is more in favor of things like...
"Kill a hunter with shotbolts from 100m range"

open carbon
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Definitely

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EZ HuntKappa

brisk timber
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the really rare ones 😄

open carbon
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Here's a suggestion that might satisfy everyone

flat sandal
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9kay how about this. Prestige with x amount of lives.

brisk timber
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😄

open carbon
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How about the option to choose the difficulty/complexity level of your weekly challenges before your first set of tasks gets rolled?

brisk timber
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dont force me to prestige now D:

flat sandal
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It's not forcing if you dont have to do it for progression

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It's a legit challenge though^^

brisk timber
flat sandal
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Maye you'll get a title. I legit respect you if you can do it with one life

brisk timber
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if the easier ones were less intrusive i guess it would be fine already

open carbon
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Obviously, that would be reflected in the single rewards you get for each mission, but you'd still progress the same amount for each task, no matter what level you chose. That way, you'll get your BB rewards no matter what, but still are incentivized to try harder challenges for a week. Because I think, after choosing, one should have to commit to that choice for the ongoing week

brisk timber
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what saucy said about killing immos with chokes is true

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id rather find clues or open doors

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thats doesnt really f with my gameplay

open carbon
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Kind of like different stacks of cards and for each week you choose which to draw from

brisk timber
open carbon
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There should be an option for that too.. Easy, Medium, Hard and "throw them all together"

brisk timber
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I would also like to see rewards for when you done with all the weeklys way earlier and still keep on doin them

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like 25 bucks for every extra quest done

open carbon
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Yeah depending on the difficulty level you chose it could be more

brisk timber
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Im not a big fan of the challenges because some of them really needs you to change your gameplay
On the other hand the event beeing tied to them makes the event progression come more fluid and over time
everyone was hardcore grinding last events in some days which was strange for an event that has runtime of several weeks

flat sandal
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Why actually did they not bring the gator traps back for this one. Would make a lot of sense for a challenge now.

brisk timber
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sometimes multiple games in a row i never were close to water or smth

flat sandal
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I actually enjoyed them a bit. Running sneakily ad a solo every now and then

brisk timber
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And the amount of gator traps to find ...ugh

flat sandal
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Yeah by the end it was silly

brisk timber
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Find 3? meh ..ok
Find 18? jesus

flat sandal
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I actually didn't do it and did t get the skin^^

brisk timber
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yea same

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i was really burned out by that shit

open carbon
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Here's a challenge idea some of you might like: Turn of x lamps

brisk timber
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everytime i started up the game i saw those challenges and i usually am a completionist

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so this really put pressure into finding those traps and stuff

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playing hunt didnt feel fun at this point and i dropped for some weeks

flat sandal
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Was also super disappointed to find that quests are the dam same as challenges.

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"Coming soon" uhhh, what's it going to be?

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I missed the quests before that

mystic ridge
flat sandal
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Spawn in a different team

brisk timber
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for those player that really just wanna play hunt this is actually a fine quest

open carbon
brisk timber
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deinstall hunt

flat sandal
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Don't alt f4 after being sniped by solo cain

open carbon
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At least in a team

flat sandal
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Why? Doesn't really hurt anyone. Depending on the circumstances. There is a Button to leave the game.

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Imma rage quit if I wanna 😄

azure elm
proper sedge
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there are already enough of that if you ask me

proper sedge
flat sandal
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Yes I know, I dont do this usually. Can noone tell me though they didn't rage quit on their Team after a few rounds too many 😄

flat sandal
proper sedge
flat sandal
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No and I would like to sincerely appologies for any hurt my behaviour may have caused in the past. ^^

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It's the life of a random Team player

open carbon
open carbon
open carbon
flat sandal
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Yeah apparently I even prefer to put lamps out when im burning^^

analog willow
#

I would like to refer the past 8 hours of conversation to my #feedback post on “Hard to Earn” skins😋 to pair with event questlines

The formatting and length of the post doesn’t really fit into #game-ideas or #feedback anymore, otherwise, I might post it again, just to make it easier to find.

Essentially, it a set of long form permanent quests that are active at once, so a player is completing them by just playing the game, no need to select a quest or worry about which one is active. The player would earn skins gradually for their preferred playstyle by just playing the game naturally (and having to complete some specific and challenging quests along the way)

flat sandal
analog willow
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Quests such as: Extract with a bounty token while only using a Derringer for the entire match. And: Kill 1000 enemy players with melee

analog willow
flat sandal
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Gotcha

proper sedge
somber jewel
# last blaze <@99696453986820096> how can you not finish the challanges in a week most of the...

I think you didn't really read what I said. I finish the weekly challenges in about 5 hours. By the time I'm done I hate the game and I don't feel like playing anymore until they reset and I actually have to do them again if I wanna complete the event.
They are not hard, they are time consuming, they are extremely annoying and forcing players to play the game in a way the do not have fun at all is definitely on the game. This flexing argument of "lol don't wanna play custom ammo, just git gud" is really silly and adds absolutely nothing to the discussion, it's getting old. It's not about being too difficult, it's about being too fuckikg annoying. People are capable of playing multiple loadouts, but let them do it when they want to, instead of forcing them to do it over and over and over.

flat sandal
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Yeah

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Dude I had your back 😄 I tried

last blaze
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Sounds like you just don't like the game

flat sandal
last blaze
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You can always just get your teammates to help

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Most of the challenges are dead simple and hardly effect loadout

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Plus some times you can do all four in one game

flat sandal
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Imma sit this one out 😄

little carbon
flat sandal
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No worries, was clear from the context

last blaze
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I find it really hard to believe that the simple challenges can make you hate the game

analog willow
last blaze
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Unless you are carried by a single loadout

flat sandal
analog willow
flat sandal
analog willow
last blaze
analog willow
last blaze
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I'm also allowed to disagree

flat sandal
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I don't understand that. Its feedback, its Personal. Ppl act like the op wants to take something away from them

analog willow
flat sandal
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By all means "disagree" just try and not make it Sound like their experience is wrong somehow.

last blaze
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So what's your point

flat sandal
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The point is someone gives feedback abd ppl come out telling them they are wrong. Its just a little weird

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No biggy

somber jewel
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also its extremely unrealistic to expect to complete both 2 star challenges in one game. So many games a team kill a boss all the way across the map and extract while you are killing your boss and you end up not fighting anyone

last blaze
somber jewel
flat sandal
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True, it's an effect though

flat sandal
last blaze
flat sandal
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Im sure they can handle it too. He wasn't being rude im the Post like many are

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Okay now I don't understand what your point is

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Yes there is

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Man... it doesn't really matter.

analog willow
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I think it’s important to remember we all love this game, and all of us here are just trying to make it better❤️ (I’d do a Hunt Love but I’m on my phone)

flat sandal
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Facts

somber jewel
somber jewel
flat sandal
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It would probs be already a lot bettet without the special damage stuff

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Simply as a thing to address that issue without expressing any preferences 😄 or acknowladging that it indeed is an issue:D

brisk timber
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@analog willow i like your idea but i think the times we getting stuff for free if its not gameplay essentials is over

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Maybe it could be some DLC "Quatermasters journey"

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where you get some skins with longtime-quest attached to them

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Like a derringer skin which needs you to kill 100 enemys with that gun

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or smth alike

analog willow
little jackal
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people will complain that the game forces you to play the derringer 😄

somber jewel
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people are severely overestimating how long it can take to complete challenges. Some games you just dont find enough immolators/armored/hives and the second you get the bounty your teammates wanna leave

analog willow
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!plans

marsh gardenBOT
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Some of the plans for the future of Hunt with references:

PointRedServers are the number one priority to address in 2023 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=756
PointRedNew map is in the works, will be a new biome - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2439
PointRedNew boss this summer, a wild target outside of compounds - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=1285
PointRedUpdate to Cryengine 5.11, DX12 and current gen console support - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2292
PointRedNew modes and custom lobbies are considered for 2024 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2506

brisk timber
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And the things you listed are "gameplay essentials"

somber jewel
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saying you can easily do both 2 star challenges in one game is just stupid.. some of them requires 400 damage done to hunters. So you are saying every single game you will come across enough people that your team will get 9 kills, three for each of you, doing 450 damage

brisk timber
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you basically need them to keep the playerbase on the same level

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Skins in that regard are different because there are more of a luxury items

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Its not that i dont want to like to have them for free

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but i think the times are over

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Crytek monetizes the game more

analog willow
brisk timber
analog willow
brisk timber
# analog willow ?

the game is 5 years old and any one who wanna stick around probably already doin so

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tbf would it be so bad to make this like a $5 DLC pack where you get a dozen skins with quests attached?

analog willow
brisk timber
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i would pay for that - seems fair to me

rocky fog
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I'd prefer a region lock above any more DLC, to be fair.