feedback-discussion

[hardy coral]

You still have a choice of secondary remember, you can take the obrez if you want.

[open carbon]

Hmmm yeah to me it seems I'm part of a minority of players that actually welcomes every challenge... Could call it masochistic, but I regularly get the feeling that most players don't have this "challenge me to adapt and overcome" mindset

[last blaze]

yes but you don't price guns based on what you could be taking with them

[winged skiff]

yup, hence why so many load flechettes

[hardy coral]

So all shotguns should be like 20 bucks?

[last blaze]

what

[hardy coral]

You take a secondary to cover the weaknesses or power up the strengths of your primary.

[last blaze]

I know

but that should not effect the price of the gun

[open carbon]

F you I'll bring a saber with my romero talon, just because you said that xD

[last blaze]

as they would have to change every price each time they add a new pistol

[open carbon]

Actually, I think I know a way to find out how to price every item in the game correctly and fairly....

[hardy coral]

So, yeah, all shotguns should be 20 bucks? You aren't making a point here. The weaknesses of the drilling are covered by an intelligent secondary choice. I still don't see why the fastest rifle two tap with an underslung romero (15 metre kill slugs) shouldn't be 510 dollars.

[last blaze]

I could run an upper cut with my cut down remero but that does not mean it should be 400 diller

[open carbon]

Make every gun free for a while, take statistics and just set the most used gun as the most expensive and the least used one as the cheapest

[last blaze]

I could run 2 upper cuts with the remero so should it be 800 diller

[hardy coral]

They edited some prices a while ago based on use, that gave you the 414 dollar uppercut.

[hot vigil]

I like challenges in my video game too, just dunno by what parameters compared to you, bc I don't see letting a solo live to shoot me later as a challenge more than setting yourself up for suffering.

[open carbon]

Ooops, shot myself in the foot there. xD

[hardy coral]

Most weapon prices are fine. It's jut always the new stuff can be a bit odd but honestly the drilling is perfectly fine as long as they fix the inconsistencies.

[hot vigil]

Just make gator legs 2 points again pls.

[last blaze]

they should have the gator boss always drop gater legs

[hot vigil]

Crytek seems VERY vary of new weapons. Always seems to deliver them in a underpowered state.

[hardy coral]

Lemat carbine is still trash lul.

[last blaze]

wat

[hardy coral]

Why can't they just give it a proper bead on the sight and a working shotgun?

[last blaze]

now you're trolling

[open carbon]

"Suffering".. I believe the way you word things actually has an impact on how you experience them. To me it just isn't suffering. To me, fighting players (just don't consider them dead and expect them to come back, nah, hope for it!) is the most fun part, it's what got me addicted... So I actually welcome any feature that incentivises players to stay in the match for as long as possible

[hot vigil]

It is a fine gun, it is a slightly worse winnie, but with shotgun.

[hardy coral]

wdym? The gun just sucks unless you run it with FMJ+Slugs and even then it's an awkward piece that is beaten out by the other options within all engagement distances.

There is no position in which the lemat carbine excels, and that's fine tbh but it's still just too weak at being a versatile 0-50 metre gun.

[last blaze]

it has good fire rate good dmg has a shotgun has good sights and most importently is cool

[hot vigil]

For me it is just too many uncertainties and maybes' to factor in.

[open carbon]

I enjoy the Lemat Carbine a lot, with default ammo, not sure what you're on a bout

[hot vigil]

When they push you thinking you have a compact rifle only

[hardy coral]

The gun's sound is pretty distinct, even then a regular shotgun user will have the advantage over you.

[last blaze]

they should add the real lemat and call it the lemat mark 1

[open carbon]

Taste then... These uncertainties are just what I want

To a certain extent, guns should obviously be reliable

[hardy coral]

Lemat carbine shotgun with like an 11.5 kill range and a bead on the sight like the other lemats would be a decent enough buff to make it a viable pick.

[last blaze]

uncertainties make the game more fun

[hot vigil]

Eh, heat of the moment can mask sounds.

[last blaze]

they could just think it's the pistol lemat

which has a much worse shotgun

[hardy coral]

Same risk because that has a 10 metre kill slug.

[last blaze]

yeah but slugs are cringe

[open carbon]

They should just remove slug

Entirely

[last blaze]

^^^^

[hardy coral]

The lemat carbine buckshot is awful.

[last blaze]

could not agree more

[hardy coral]

It's worse than a romero handcannon.

[hot vigil]

yes

[last blaze]

to removeing slugs

[open carbon]

Because it's ammo for all the people that neither can play rifles nor shotguns

[hardy coral]

Slugs need rebalanced to just add 2 metres on to the one tap instead of being based on the shotgun length.

[last blaze]

slugs should not be able to one hit

[hot vigil]

A nerf to slugs would be to make them "brittle" slugs, so they don't pen. But that would be a weird thing to make in the first place.

[last blaze]

flashette should be the shotgun round for pen if you think about it

[open carbon]

Can't aim precisely for heads in short ranges w/ rifles but also unable to get close enough for buckshot to kill... It's literally a crutch

[last blaze]

could not agree more

[open carbon]

Not that I would actually complain

[hot vigil]

I might anger some people, but I love how the Slate basically died on arrival by the one-two puch of first nerfing the buckshot and then the slugs.

[open carbon]

I just don't use it because when I bring shotgun, I wanna play shotgun and not toddler nerfgun

[last blaze]

slate slugs is still very good

[open carbon]

Never noticed that nerf, I just one-two punch duos with it as if it were taking away candy from babies

The amount of teams just coming around corners like lemmings is ridiculous though... Who the f pushes around a corners shoulder to shoulder with their teammate?

[hot vigil]

It is not bad for sure, but you kinda have to run Slugs on Slate now.

[last blaze]

I don't use shotguns much at all so I can't say anything for the buck shot for it

[open carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/stuck-in-doorway-the-casagrandes-dont-fit-struggle-cant-get-out-gif-18015156

[hot vigil]

I call that phenomena for "people respecting shotguns", made a little video about it even!

[open carbon]

Dang one of you three going "yep yep yep" .. Made me think of the muppets

https://tenor.com/view/yep-derp-what-puppet-yip-gif-11384849

[hot vigil]

It is the same ol' curse, medium barrel

[open carbon]

Still saying, I never ran slugs on the Slate before and I probably won't in the future either... It just turns my shotgun into a budget Nitro and the Nitro also sucks... So why would I want that? I can do kills at >10m with my secondary, Conversion takes the cake mostly.

[hot vigil]

I prefer also not running slugs on my shotguns, hence why I never play the slate lmao

[open carbon]

It's great with buckshot too though, it's still the best right after the Romero

I also make a point of mudrering people with "the worst guns in the game" just to show them there is no "worst" gun. Technically there is, but once you've mowed an entire lobby with an Avto a few times, you really know, there is no "worst" gun. Even though the Avto definitely is the worst, and right after it the Nitro xD

The actually bad guns everyone considers bad though, they definitely aren't bad

I'm having trouble of coming up with a bad one

I literally can't

I love them all

[hot vigil]

Statistically not, specter have better damage and spread than the slate.

[open carbon]

Hmm yeah but, and I'm not alone with this, the fire rate is the make-or-break difference here.. Specter, Terminus and Clown all feel "off" in terms of fire rate. Only the slate feels like it's the perfect delay between shots

[hot vigil]

Railroad Hammer? :v

[open carbon]

Nope xD

[hot vigil]

It does fire faster, tho with the downside with more recoil, but eh, hipfire doesn't care about that too much.

[open carbon]

Got it's merits. Bring it together with an Uppermat.. You've got yourself a sweet loadout

[hot vigil]

I just feel Axe kinda does what Hammer want better

[open carbon]

Aye, and the timing just fits. You've gotta pay attention to it some time, with the slate, it feels like the enemies are lining up for you when you're pushing a compound

The next one is perfectly ready in your crosshair when cycling is done and you just have to click them again :D

[hot vigil]

Well, it is the fastest, so makes sense

[open carbon]

Terminus with Levering is faster

Too fast in fact, as is the Clown

And too slow without Levering

With the slate, it feels like you're cranking a wheel

A wheel that stomps your foes

[hoary widget]

Then swap those prices i proposed

I also just dont think these guns should be priced based off of what special ammo you can put on it, that says way more about how poorly balanced those are than how the gun itself is

And both as a base are not worth what they are priced at rn

They're both good guns and fun to use, but 510 and 440 for these weapons is omegalul

[open carbon]

Yeah for what's essentially a 2-slot Uppercut with a glitterspitter, with two slots being a downside, it shouldn't be more expensive than the Uppercut either, or than the Mosin, for that matter. And Drilling is in no way superior to the Mosin either, except it gets 3 times more ammo on resupply. It's a double-barreled Vertterli with a shorter Romero strapped to it, and the price should reflect that. Shouldn't be more than 300 for the Drilling

Lemat Carbine > Uppermat btw

Change my mind

@glossy pendant a fellow nighttime lover! Change your idea to not just have them in the wildcards though. I think if there's 5 different day times, there should also be 5 different night times :D And I finally want snow. Snow nights. Blizzard nights. I'm starting to drool, I should stop

[glossy pendant]

But even now most daytimes are more similiar then Serpent-moon & regular night. Yea, mby it should be 3 different categories: Daytime, Nighttime, Wildcard (Inferno, Rain, Fogg, etc)

[open carbon]

I kind of want it all mixed together, all weather types in all times of day/night. But we got "dusk" so there could also be a night-time just before sunrise and such

[glossy pendant]

Which turns into early morning during the match... thats a cool Idea.

[open carbon]

Maybe, but I wouldn't be mad if it just stayed the same time ^^

!plans

[marsh garden]

Some of the plans for the future of Hunt with references:

Servers are the number one priority to address in 2023 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=756
New map is in the works, will be a new biome - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2439
New boss this summer, a wild target outside of compounds - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=1285
Update to Cryengine 5.11, DX12 and current gen console support - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2292
New modes and custom lobbies are considered for 2024 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2506

[open carbon]

:PointRed:New map is in the works, will be a new biome

Sooo excited

[keen bolt]

@last blaze idk

It's pretty weak ngl

[snow hedge]

Make it impossible for hunters to place traps on dead hunters! Burning dead hunters is more than enough countermeasure for Necromancer! Trapping dead Hunters so they cannot revive is pure Toxicity!

[versed ravine]

its not tho, we can rez with full health.

[hoary widget]

Necro is extremely prevalent and plenty powerful as is, the things that counter it atm are fine

[keen oak]

This is interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP4_81mW4f4

apparently people pay for less frames in game

[royal horizon]

yea, I posted that in #feedback

[celest spindle]

sounds fake

[hardy coral]

Lines up with my experience tbh. Noticeably increased utilisation when using Wayward Helmsman.

[queen jungle]

So, I just spent the last of my Hunt Dollars to do a little testing myself. Ran the same course as far as is visible in the video, including ringing the bell, jumping the stairs, etc. All done on maxed out settings, 1440p.

115-135 FPS - M T1 Hunter
120-140 FPS - F T1 Hunter
115-140 FPS - Gar
120-140 FPS - Cain

Only a small sample size, so really see if there are consistent differences one would have to do lots more of course.

Like any good researcher, I now need funding to continue this task

[keen oak]

I have never paid attention to this tbh but damn people with lower specs might not be happy with this information

[queen jungle]

I think it's too early to draw definitive conclusions. You'd have to run this several times with the same hunters over and over again to determine consistent differences.

But definitely worth investigating

[west hill]

Love the idea of a photo mode after seeing the trailer with the memento mori pictures of dead hunters. A sepia filter on screenshots alone would blow up on social media.

[keen oak]

What is most certainly clear is that there are differences in fps between Hunter skins. You dont need to gaslight bro.

[queen jungle]

What I am doing is rightfully saying that anecdotal statements by players as well as a video showing a couple of runs is not sufficient evidence to draw definitive conclusions. That's common sense, not gaslighting.

[keen oak]

We can't conclude the exact values and/or nature of this issue, but it is clear as day that it exists and it seems to be connected to Hunter selection.

[unborn smelt]

@frigid gorge for me throwing axes already work like that...

Do you play on Hunter or Gunslinger control scheme?

[frigid gorge]

Gunslinger

[unborn smelt]

Thats likely it then

I play on Hunter and there it already works like you describe

Still worth changing for gunslinger tho if enough people think so too

[frigid gorge]

I wish the throwing axe would work like that as well with gunslinger mode

[unborn smelt]

Yeah i can see that - was just confused before i relized its because of control schemes

[frigid gorge]

but why dose the bomb Lance work like that with gunslinger mode

[unborn smelt]

I have no idea tbh

[karmic ivy]

I am surprised by your behavior. I know we are all different. But where I am from if you call someone a liar as you have, you would likely offend the accused party beyond your ability to repair. Yet you throw it around so lightly.... has the world changed THAT much?

[keen oak]

I didn't call anyone a liar and I don't have anything against the guy I was quoting.

In fact I don't have anything against anyone in here. I call out posts, not individuals themselves. It wouldn't make sense to me. People are rarely the same in the internet as they are in person.

[karmic ivy]

Did you know that gaslighting involves intentionally lying to someone? Specifically to deceive that someone... is that not common knowledge these days? I see the word in use so much I assumed the definition was as prolific.

[keen oak]

Gaslighting is also shifting or avoiding accountability. Trying to dismiss an issue just because we don't know it's particulars is imo just that

[queen jungle]

I did not dismiss it at all, I literally said that it is "definitely worth investigating"

🙃

[keen oak]

My bad, I've missed that part

@wanton imp we already have Swift variants for that bud

Or if you empty the mag entirely

/chamber

[wanton imp]

**true **but not everyone uses the swift variants. sometimes you have 1 bullet left and either you shoot or take a longer reload

[karmic ivy]

I assure you that is not proper use of the word. You might want to consider changing your use of it least you offend someone.
In all cases I find, with the exception of its use in medicine, It refers to the intentional use of lies as a tool.

For example one source says it could be broadly defined as "conscious intent to brainwash"

And in its original use, it was coined in reaction to a story when... "a seemingly genteel husband using lies and manipulation to isolate his heiress wife and persuade her that she is mentally unwell so that he can steal from her."

This excerpt below however seems to be a reasonable explanation for what I am noticing about its recent use cases.

"Broader use:
The word "gaslighting" is often used incorrectly to refer to conflicts and disagreements.[3][17][39] According to Robin Stern, PhD, co-founder of the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence, "Gaslighting is often used in an accusatory way when somebody may just be insistent on something, or somebody may be trying to influence you. That's not what gaslighting is."[17]

Some mental health experts have expressed concern that the broader use of the term is diluting its usefulness and may make it more difficult to identify the specific type of abuse described in the original definition.[11][3][39]"

[keen oak]

Are you ok?

[karmic ivy]

Why do you ask?

[keen oak]

Well because not only you waste time searching www for definitions and engaging in some silly, obnoxiously semantical argument with me but also some of the things you put in there in a way prove what I am saying is also accurate.

Lets both save some time here and go back to all things Hunt

[karmic ivy]

You're the one that asked!?! but sure, its your time, and you can change your mind in a snap if you decide to. I will say you are confusing however.

[karmic ivy]

see ^ I am not gaslighting 😉

[peak radish]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-clapping-applause-applaud-cheerleader-gif-12591824

[keen oak]

Ditching Leaseweb would be a good place to start

[keen oak]

Surely there are better alternatives

Unless not

[karmic ivy]

Can you point out what you think is wrong with leaseweb's services for Hunt?

[keen oak]

Not really - obviously, but their reviews are mixed.

It is likely that there is some more reliable alternative

Probably should seek some German guys around here for answers

[karmic ivy]

Leaseweb is a big company...
Do you think those negative reviews are writen by other clients as large as Crytek? I am not sure how to take your statment without this peice of information.

[karmic ivy]

It is likely, but the saying goes, "don't fix whats not broken". Might we assume then that leaseweb is fine, and the problem lies elsewhere? And would you get that "more reliable alternative" at a price that is good for Hunt?

I think we can assume, based on what they have said, that they went with leaseweb because it allowed scaling at a good price. Price is a very important factor here when the game could live for 10 years. Profit margins and all that.

[keen oak]

I don't know. Wish I did tho

[karmic ivy]

So... what DO you base your opinion on that "Ditching Leaseweb would be a good place to start"?

[hardy coral]

Servers have been pretty solid this event.

[keen oak]

What we can assume and what we know are two different things. The way I see it there are multiple, (potentially) better alternatives for Leaseweb since its not even at top 10 of IaaS.

Certainly there are other factors I am unaware of

[karmic ivy]

And the point about "price"?

[keen oak]

But if there are better alternatives and if there is a budget for it (and its not like Crytek is begging nowadays) it's a potential investment for a better QoS

[karmic ivy]

In the cases I have heard of (example: I know a dev from the Lineage series, we talk shop) things like servers are budgeted in at the beginning. Those things are rather set in stone. The games are paid for up front. There might not be room to change things such as upgrading to a new level of server services.

You would have to convince the investors to take less profit on a maybe...

[karmic ivy]

So... what DO you base your opinion on that "Ditching Leaseweb would be a good place to start"? (hope you don't mind if I ask once more, I think you missed it the first time)

[keen oak]

I already told you

[karmic ivy]

I see...

well... Good luck, and good Hunting!

[keen oak]

And I am well aware it may be a shot in the dark

[karmic ivy]

Investors love shots in the dark 😉 /s

[keen oak]

But it's clear there are (very likely) better quality options available. Price is the question.

[keen oak]

Don't condescend to me please it's not like I am about to pitch Crytek's board of directors.

[karmic ivy]

I do not condescend, sorry if you got that impression.
It is sarcasm, what was meant is this: "investors do not like shots in the dark"
It was a bit of play. I am genuinly curious what motivates you to feel leaseweb's services are not sufficient. And how switching providers would be good for Hunts budgeted overhead/finacial earnings.

[keen oak]

My own experience, my friends experience, community feedback.

As for it being good for Hunts future earnings well food for thought I guess, but its quite logical.

Granted the experience I had this week improved to what it was prior or just after the patch, but I am not a sucker for short term fixes

[karmic ivy]

Did you know its not just Hunt having those troubles? Not just leaseweb?
I could show you examples of other games having problems with some users experiencing spurious high latency and packet loss while the rest of their players are doing just fine.

[keen oak]

Are you referring to something specific?

[karmic ivy]

yes, I edited my above response to include that.

[keen oak]

Eye of the beholder.

[karmic ivy]

Could you expand on that, I am not sure I follow your thought.

[keen oak]

Well simply put if a lot of people complain about something specific. Even experience the same issues in various locations in different times

Is it the player then? All of them? Just because others are "fine"

Both positive and negative feedback can be misguided

[karmic ivy]

It is something, but nothing has suggested it is leaseweb... unless you know something new. which is why I inquired in the first place.

In fact there are things to suggest the something it is, is bad routes.

Not related to leaseweb. But the ISPs people get their services from.

But we need more information, again, why I ask.

[keen oak]

Well let me put it this way

Hunt is not the only game and not the only shooter for that matter that I play

Same goes for a few of my friends, scattered between few European countries

Yet

This game is the only one when at least once or twice a week I have a "situation"

[karmic ivy]

I am going to have a smoke, please continue, will read in when I return.

[keen oak]

Now one might say coinkidink

I say consistency

Because I've been playing Hunt since Lawson Delta got added

And during that time switched addresses three times and the PC twice

So yeah its hard for me to buy that everything is fine and I am unfortunate

[karmic ivy]

I play two games at the moment that are said to have high latency and packet loss for some unfortunate players. My own experiences there have been great, and near perfect in the case of Hunt.
I am making only one assumption here, for me to have a great time with no problems, the servers must be up to snuff.
That leads me to think the problem is between the servers and the player.
This coincidentaly, is what is said by the game companies as well...

The ISPs have a different story, but really, they are the least trustworthy ones here because it sounds like they are the ones holding all the cards, so to say.

[keen oak]

And history of the gaming industry (particularly the games I played or heard of thus far) taught me that server quality backlash is rarely unjustified

Now I am not saying its bad but there is certainly room for improvement

I love Hunt, but if every now and then I am in a need of a hands down seamless, issue free experience I pick something else for a moment

[karmic ivy]

Fair enough. I have a different experience.
I see every game has players ignorant of how these things work, make the basic and uninformed claim that "the servers are the problem". Every FPS game I look at has this. Coincidence? I think no.
Why every FPS? maybe because they all suffer a similar problem? That being, in my opinion, realities of the internet having problems, and players who don't know how it works looking for something to blame it on (who could fault them?).

[karmic ivy]

I pick Hunt for the exact same reasons. Interesting no?

[keen oak]

To add to that. Yes ISPs more often than not are full of s. I worked for one I know that all too well. Thing is tho that because I know the business I am very particular about who do I pick and I monitor my connection constantly. Among other things to avoid these conversations

[keen oak]

Sure is

[karmic ivy]

I see, that is significant

Who do you use for an ISP, and where do you play from? just curiosity for information's sake.

[keen oak]

I mean its not like its terrible or anything. HUNT is actually pretty okay when compared to the competition server and optimization-wise, but there are some who do it better

[karmic ivy]

Well I am not saying I don't want better. But more than that, I want what is good for Hunt. I am working on the assumption that leaseweb is good for Hunt.
And to add to that I like Hunt as it is, I am cautious to say "yes" change the networking that I have come to love.

[keen oak]

Currently based in UK so its not ideal. Using Virgin Mobile, 250 mbps 5Ghz

[karmic ivy]

thank you

[keen oak]

Wish I had my old provider when I lived in the continent

[karmic ivy]

oh?

[keen oak]

It was 200/200 symmetrical

No issues, ever

[karmic ivy]

mmmm

[keen oak]

With the broadband that is

Altnet provider

[karmic ivy]

interesting.

[keen oak]

It is cause most of the altnets usually suck. In Europe that is

[karmic ivy]

well, duty calls. Actually its the goats... its milking time. They would say not just a mere duty! This is neeeeeeeeed! They sure are loud. lol
Good luck to you.

[keen oak]

https://tenor.com/view/hooray-its-weekend-ok-bye-ciao-slide-gif-15739082

[prime ibex]

@wild meadow So buff it?

[wild meadow]

What?>

[wild meadow]

what are you talking about?

[prime ibex]

Your Doctor perk suggestion is still a buff cause it's % based.

[wild meadow]

In my proposal, doctor no longer heals twice as much

It is a standard medkit heal amount, however as it is applied it fills your health bars instead of being applied only at the end of the animation

[prime ibex]

I would agree if the heal was like that at the very beginning of production of Hunt. But it ain't.

[wild meadow]

I have no idea what your criticism means.

[prime ibex]

My criticism is: Your suggestion still buffs it even with the exception. If the healing mechanic was similar to your suggestion from the very beginning, then it'll probably work as an interesting Doctor Rework.

[wild meadow]

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say

[prime ibex]

Nvm.

[steady vapor]

@upbeat slate The voicelines would be incredibly cringe with how serious/edgy hunts (very, very well done) artstyle is, and any humor would not work well at all. Would be edgelord shit and come off as tacky.

[keen oak]

@west hill that mutators idea is fucken cool man

Although all immolators would be a wee bit too extreme xD

But I am down with making it in a way that you'd havr a standard, wild and mutator card following your suggestion

Putting it in a standard contract might piss off a lot of people and its always better to have multiple options available

[noble tapir]

Just coming here to say that the self revive for solos is stupid and destroys a big part of what I like about the game. Nothing more to say, bad game design in a game where death is supposed to mean something.

[rotund obsidian]

just toss some conc on em and burn and you're solid

i think resil could use a nerf but it's really only that bad because of relentless

[hot vigil]

People not gonna listen and give the catch all responds: "you can just walk away".

[trail oasis]

100% agree with you

[keen oak]

Here we go again, let the selfres carnage begin

[keen oak]

This

[rotund obsidian]

resilience buff was a mistake

[keen oak]

Its funny that it still costs 3 points

[trail oasis]

self res should have his own trait and being a burn one. end of story

[peak berry]

yup

if self revive was a burn perk i think it would be fine

like 2 uses and your done

[trail oasis]

it would solve everything

[rotund obsidian]

take it one step further and make regular necro a burn trait, two birds one stone

[little carbon]

That is an issue indeed. There is a fundamental difference between solo revive and team revives. With a team you usually know where the rest of the team is generally due to how Hunts audio design works, so instead of waiting and sitting on a burn you can just hunt down the rest of the enemy team.

But maybe its an issue of phrasing. Self res isnt really too strong right now. It actually really doesnt perform well against opponents who know what they are doing. But it does waste a lot of time. So instead of a nerf a sidegrade might be a better starting point for conversations.
You suggested something that i usually like to bring up along those lines in the previous convo.
Buff self res by lowering the amount of time before you can res.
At the same time "nerf" it by giving it a max duration stopping any and all "i am gonna wait till everyones gone so i can extract" shenanigans.

This promotes self res to be tempo positive instead of negative

[trail oasis]

self res being a burn trait is just pure logic but theres still an army of mmr lowering abuser and bush warrior that defend it. i cant understand

[rotund obsidian]

if regular necro can be spammed, selfrez should be spammable

[peak berry]

what bugs me is they die over and over and get put in mmrs they shouldnt be in and it bad for the game

[little carbon]

Its not the amount of uses thats an issue. If i have a body under control and they res 4* in front of my face, i dont care. And if they play to cover then why shouldnt they be able to res more often if you dont secure the body

[trail oasis]

tbh if necro was gone it would just feel better

[rotund obsidian]

i cant even use my conc bombs on solos now because i can't leave any bodies near buildings unattended since there's some fucker necroing him and he's gonna get up with a full 150hp

[trail oasis]

death supposed to mean something

[keen oak]

Lowering the amount of time before you can selfres is a very bad idea. It's already a controversial addition as it is.

[trail oasis]

solo res would never been a thing if there was a legit solo queue for bounty hunt

[keen oak]

Making it a separate burn trait doesnt sound too bad tbh I like that

Logical trade off

[trail oasis]

it would be pretty lit tbh

[little carbon]

Then give it some other slight buff in exchange for taking away the waiting game, but that would be the most important change. Having an upper time limit. Either you take your chance or you dont

[trail oasis]

solo player already have some trait buff increase reward mmr handicap and the advantage of being stealthier. no need for self res

[keen oak]

You dont have to take the waiting game part away. Just making it a one time deal will suffice

[little carbon]

And massively increased rewards. For an even EV solos need a much lower winrate

[peak radish]

it seems to me or are bots/cheaters already playing?

[little carbon]

That doesnt solve the issue of it being a massive slowdown tho. Which is the only thing problematic about self res

[trail oasis]

if solo self res could be avoided if you loot the hunter they cannot self res anymore. it would kinda be less of an annoyance.

[little carbon]

Just cap it at 30s

Thats enough wiggle room

No reason to be able to get up after 3 minutes

[keen oak]

It kinda does. Only indirectly because its only 1 second chance so you'd be very particular about resing

[trail oasis]

theres so many fix that would just make a better qol for every1 without removing it

[keen oak]

And its not really a "massive" slowdown to begin with.

[little carbon]

Then people will still do the waiting thing and just wait until the other team leaves.
What is positive about being able to res late? Nothing

And i really dont think it needs to have a cap on amount

Especially if it has an upper time limit

Cause then you just need to control the body for x seconds and you know they wont come back. Or they res 5 times in front of you and you kill them

[trail oasis]

30sec should be the max. thats a truth

[wind ruin]

Self res is fine, solos playing all time against teams it's fine. A hardcap to drop elo yes. That is all what I saying.

[keen oak]

Thats where we disagree friend. I'd rather make it a burn second shot rather than limiting when you can res. You got tools and consumables to deal with the bodies and if you can only selfres once and you hear a trap over you then its gg to begin with

[trail oasis]

problem is not elo droping that much. its mostly dead body taking peoples time in hostage

[little carbon]

Its not about it being balanced or not. Its about changing it slightly to create a better game flow

[trail oasis]

the game that made me furious about solo self res was a week ago. 3 solo back a back the time i finished dealing with the body the boss was killed looted and team already extracted. no chance to play at all this game only was dead body management. so lame

[little carbon]

But again. Its not that limiting to say: Opens at t=6s and closes at t=36s. You still got room for decision making, but it does force you to consider your position. Its going to be a strong way to continue a fight if you died in a good spot but a bad one if you misplayed.
It also incentives both teams to act instead of wait.
The one team needs to act to get control of the body.
The solo needs tot act because they only get so much time.

Reviving after 5 minutes doesnt add anything meaningful to a fight.

[keen oak]

Current fight*

[little carbon]

Or even if it does its much less impactful than having it be a tempo accelerator

[noble tapir]

I just dont understand the fundemantel reason for this to exist. They add the self revive with the obvious goal to make the game more "fun" for solo players, so now they made the game more fun for solos but worse for 90-95% of the rest of the playerbase, why?

[trail oasis]

its not even fun for solo player

[peak berry]

it really hurts duos the worst

low mmr duos

[trail oasis]

when you have to deal with another solo res u cant split up go get lamp or trap u need to waste ur consumable or wait forever

[peak berry]

in duos you dont have that 3rd person to sit on someones dead body while someone scouts and the other looks for a lantern

its just silly af

[trail oasis]

it punished everyone even solo that wanna play the game as intended in favor of beginner that have a slighty more hope to save their hunter

[keen oak]

If you pop someone at lets say 60m and he necros after 6s thats broken dude. You will not convince me otherwise.

Because it doesnt make sense

[peak berry]

at least at 10 sec you have a chance to secure before they can proc it

i really think necro needs changes for trios and solo

100%

[trail oasis]

it does

[noble tapir]

when you engange in a fight in trios and its chaos you dont have the time either to have someone search for a lantern just because this one guy could be a solo and the other 2 guys could be a duo, which is exactly what killed me before. You think you fight a Trio but it is a solo and a duo, then the solo revives behind you with a shotgun surprise. The two others are further away so you dont expect a necro while they fight your mates

[keen oak]

Making it a separate, burn trait fixes a lot of issues revolving around it because in the end it will happen only once.

[peak berry]

i would be fine with that

[keen oak]

So you only get 1 trade window tops

[peak berry]

if you can use it once and that it

you get 1 extra chance

or 2

1 or the other

[keen oak]

Nah 2 is pretty much where games for solos end most of the time anyway

1 will do

[peak berry]

whats killing me the most, people just necro die over and over till my gf gets a 4 star in her 2-3 star lobbies

thats not fun for them

or fair

[trail oasis]

thats just not hunt showdown...

[keen oak]

I'd say its much more of an issue in higher elo

A 6star player getting up over and over vs 4stars is nasty

The skill gap is there

[trail oasis]

the 6 star would become 3 star in 1 game if he die several time to 4star lol

[keen oak]

You have a fuckton of youtube highlights of 6atar solos va trios

And how strong self res is there

Hornet, Rachta, Huuge, etc

[trail oasis]

just the tower of death thing when u can lock the tower by suiciding urself

its dumb

[peak berry]

they laugh the whole time they are doing it too

its redic

[keen oak]

I actually respect Sayler. He may be an absolute rat but at least he's a crafty one.

[peak berry]

i remember the end of the inferno event everyone was saying "thank fucking god this dumb shit is going away"

lol

[trail oasis]

oh i respect him. if i had think about it i would 10000% have done it before XD \

but its just... not hunt showdown XD

[keen oak]

It still is

Just more sadistic

[trail oasis]

well lol

[peak berry]

i think i saw him hitting people with long ammo then killing them with choke bolts lol

it was pretty great

[keen oak]

XD

[peak berry]

something like that

they do just enough dmg to secure the kill

[keen oak]

Sparks

[peak berry]

think so

[keen oak]

Then choke

It does 1dmg

@trail oasis separate burn trait

And low cost like 2 or 3

Since its 1 time use only

[trail oasis]

added the separate part.

will get massively downvoted but as long it get visibility

already 5 downvote lol. i feel like theres a group of MMR lowering abuser that keep pushing down every suggestion attempt

[rotund obsidian]

nah i just think separating the trait is dumb

[trail oasis]

every different way of fixing it we suggest get downvote the same way

[rotund obsidian]

i don't think necro needs fixing 🤷 resilience is 99% of the problem

although one change i could see for necro is -25hp since rn you get up for free instead of somebody losing 25hp

but also like, revert resil buff

concertina and beartraps should be a better way to confirm solo kills, but them getting up with 150 then 125 then 100 and being able to just facetank it all is kinda dumb

[trail oasis]

they are both problematic imo

when you are solo fighting other solos you cant go get beartraps and inventoiry full of concertina is not always possible

[rotund obsidian]

another idea: you can instantly click the revive button as a solo but it starts a 10 second countdown before you get up, so you can't listen and very carefully time it to stand the moment someone does something

or i guess like, 2 seconds before you can click it then 8s countdown, or whatever normal necro is

[hot vigil]

Fully agree, (bc well, it is what I suggested lmao).

[hot vigil]

Also note that now everyone can re-arrange hp for free, so it is almost maximized.

[rotund obsidian]

yeah but i mean, if i necro my buddy and he has resilience, he gets up with 125 and i spent 25 hp to revive him

if a solo gets up with 125 max hp and resilience, that 25 spent hp should be subtracted from him post-revive

so he gets up with 100 out of 125 max

[hot vigil]

I pinged the wrong person mb :v

[rotund obsidian]

👍

[hot vigil]

or well, not wrong person wrong line

Just wanted to say that not only is resilience buff a factor, but also that we can re-arrange hp for free, so most solos ain't gonna lose a big bar.

on 1st death

[rotund obsidian]

yeah tru, but i think most solos before were leveled anyway to get necro/resil etc. so they could definitely burn off their own bars before extract to get all smalls anyhow

that's what i did before 1.13 the few times i wanted a solid solo setup, at least

[hot vigil]

True true

[alpine gust]

I don't understand. Buying it manually is 24 (wax dynamite) + 75 (dynamite bundle). Buying using loadout is scalper price (289)?

[hot vigil]

Loadout takes into account if you already have consumables laying.

[vague dragon]

Necro should be removed entirely imo. In team scenarios, 90% of the time the player getting revived ends up getting killed right away anyway which just makes it a waste of time, and when it does work it undoes the satisfaction and relief earned at the climax of a well-earned kill or team-wipe when suddenly one of the people you killed who was out of sight for a moment simply comes back from the grave and catches you off-guard when you’re supposed to be reaping the rewards in a moment of respite. It also makes the game more aggressive, which goes against Hunt’s core design, players no longer have to worry about losing their hunter or worry about their team losing an important asset because the stakes have been lowered. You can just throw yourself into battle and wait to respawn over and over like its Halo, now teammates no longer have to put in the effort of getting rid of all threats before earning the chance to get their friend back. This also makes spectating your team while downed much less entertaining when now your just watching a coward hiding behind cover trying to magic you alive over and over instead of being heroic and wiping out the enemy team with the odds stacked against them before rescuing you at the end.

[alpine gust]

still puzzled

[hot vigil]

Ah, so, if you already have dynamite laying about, the loadout will take those, hence it will be cheaper (and it will display that prize).

Here I don't have any spare waxed dynamite or firebombs in my arsenal.
So it cost 145 in total

Now I have a waxed dynamite and firebombs in my arsenal.
So now it costs 115 in total.

Hope that makes sense @alpine gust

You can even see the consumable tab is cheaper.

going from 115 to 85.

[vague dragon]

Those who thumbed down can you explain why you disagree with me? Im interested in hearing your thoughts

[wanton imp]

@vague dragon im mainly disliking because of self revive, yes necro gets miss used alot in teams i agree with that, but for solos its not fun losing everything when you get headshot

[vague dragon]

Hmm, in truth i’ve not used or seen it in action solo so I don’t knowhow exactly how I feel about that side of it. Most of my gripes are towards the team revive aspect. But I still think it takes away from the tension of losing your hunter which promotes careful preparation and skill. Plus headshots are hard to pull off in this game so again, taking away a player’s satisfaction of landing a headshot by letting the enemy get straight back up from it doesn’t seem right to me.

[tribal wyvern]

@jovial saddle Any video to share ?
I always hear people see cheaters so often. I have counted on my hand how many ive seen in 3100hours. I'd just be interested to see.

[queen jungle]

@crystal nacelle Thats just half a star difference.. 🤔

[crystal nacelle]

yes and? And please don't tell me the KDA is included in the MMR Rating....It is not. At least not in a way it makes sense. Skill density is way too high in 5* because of all the rejected 6* that had a bad day and half a * is a world as soon as you reach 4,5*. I honestly don't think you do well in the future regarding Playerbase if you match like that and pamper your ultra high KD Players. These KDAs don't mean anything if only achieved like that. Also combined i am sure as .... they don#t bring that much revenue as the rest.

[night quarry]

why is europe server full of china and russian players?

[keen oak]

Because they want to play with friends

XD

[unborn smelt]

or because Europe is the server with the second lowest ping and thus secondary region by default for large part russia

[alpine gust]

still confused. my screenshot shows I am missing wax dynamite and dynamite bundle. Looking at loadouts, why do i need 289 to buy the loadout, but the price to get the two is 99?

[karmic ivy]

@vague dragon Hello, do you by chance know a "Decerto" who runs a indi title "Nomad"? If so, are you the creator of "Nyran" the game? just curious.

[vague dragon]

Afraid not

[karmic ivy]

I see, when I read "aspiring game/level designer I thought it might me. Good luck and good Hunting 😉

[vague dragon]

Thanks 🙂

[trail oasis]

@pallid escarp been a hot topic for the last few days. tons of players want a nerf but its challenged with a wave of mmr abuser that downvote every single post. pretty sure the devs aware and hope they work on an appropriate fix. imo making it a burn trait would be the best move.

[hot vigil]

Ah I see, well... dunno honestly, guess best solution is to try unequipping everthing and then try re-buying it.
Tho I know there was (maybe still is) a bug where the game wouldn't use any weapons/items you had in stock if they were legendary and would alway buy a new one.

[umbral quail]

This couldn’t of happened at a worst time why is this showing up on my screen every game?!

[celest spindle]

validate game files

whats your game resolution?

[tribal wyvern]

@kind canopy
Ask Valve, Crytek did not design the steam overlay.

[queen jungle]

KDA is not included because it is irrelevant. No game with an ELO-based matchmaking system includes anything but the ELO score.

[dusky tapir]

I think they're on console

[amber tundra]

but shouldnt it be? in a game like this, where pvp is front and centre what could you base it on other than pvp performance? and what is better for that than the kda? i shouldnt uprank immediately because i get one lucky kill on a 6 star should i? and to be honest - there is a huge difference between low 5 star and high 5 star. there should be more levels than 6 and under no circumstances should a full 6 star team face anything else than another full 6 star team... and the fact that apparently nothing is done aboout it (since the new mmr system was introduced) and the only thing the devs have in mind adding new skins and bugs is somewhat unsettling, wouldnt you think?

[queen jungle]

Hunt's Elo system does rank you based on PvP performance; Elo is a well-proven system to accurately determine a player's skill level in a competitive game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

And a one-star difference is not really a lot. Sure, you could tweak the matchmaking system to only match players who are within the same star-range. The result would be matches that are not full - which we had in the past in Hunt, and people did not like it at all.

[celest spindle]

ah

[queen jungle]

The current matchmaking, which takes a wider range of ratings into account to ensure full matches, is a direct result of player feedback.

[analog willow]

@whole ridge What is it you’d like to know about the trade window?

Also, banned player names are not posted anywhere, nor is there is a confirmation sent any players who reported a player for privacy reasons

[little jackal]

can a player's skill level really change from the top to the middle of the distribution in one evening?

[analog willow]

David mentioned they are looking into changing how the MMR system works to alleviate this

[little jackal]

sounds almost like a medical condition, like brain cells dying or something, probably should call an ambulance

[little jackal]

yeah I'm just being sarcastic on how accurate the system is

[queen jungle]

Depends on how many matches a player plays and who they kill/get killed by.

[keen oak]

Oh if only we could just remove the visible mmr entirely

And play the game

Like before

[versed ravine]

Bring back leaderboards but without BB rewards

[keen oak]

Keeping it hidden was a very good idea whilst creating an elo system with visible ratings without enough players for "fair matchmaking", rank queues, tournaments (i.e. competitive setup) will always lead to complaints

Which why you either keep it casual with mmr system working only as a background

Or you go full competitive

We are currently in the middle and whilst it does work(ish) systemically it creates havoc in the community

[queen jungle]

Yes, please.

[keen oak]

I would gladly go back to the way mmr system was because Hunt doesnt have enough players for a competitive setup with "true" sbmm

Not yet anyway

Maybe if it hits like 80-100k whereabouts

[versed ravine]

both with MMR and without create nasty tension within the community, with MMR is basically always playing ranked which many dont want, BUT it IS very malleable. MMR is super easy to drop, unfortunately, it does kinda get abused every now and then. its no wonder some magical content creators who hide MMR and somehow get the most deaf players ever >.>

[keen oak]

MMR has to be there whether we like it or not. Making it visible however is a different story.

Also you are right it is way too easy to fall and/or rise on the ladder.

[versed ravine]

I agree, I'd rather with it than without, otherwise people would never get a bounty cuz of a single player who is magically 6*. and it does really only take one

[queen jungle]

MMR has been around for most of Hunt's lifetime, but it was just "hidden" for the first few years, until, in an attempt at transparency, Crytek decided to share some info with players.

[keen oak]

Which imo was a mistake

Or rather evolved into one

When matchmaking got changed to prioritize full games

[queen jungle]

While personally I agree, it was definitely a feedback-driven decision. If you go back a year, #feedback was full of screenshots showing not-entirely-full or half-empty matches and people were upset about that.

[keen oak]

Idk in order to have a visible mmr system with even games across the board Hunt needs at least 2x the amount of players it has.

[versed ravine]

it has been a bit weird recently, I had matches with not only MMR6 player team but with MM4 player team at the same time. I am usually at MMR5 which might make sense, but there is literally no way that MMR4 team would have had a chance.

[celest spindle]

quick question

are disconnected hunters invisible on the enemy's clients?

[keen oak]

I am aware and sympathize, but as long as those full games come with visible mmr and not enough players to even-out the mm for all then people will bitch and moan.

However its funny that in some of those screenshots people post with complaints about 6star players in their lobbies (whilst their team MMR was 4 *or so) you can see people actually downing those 6star players.

The same ones they complain about ruinning their experience

[celest spindle]

because i literally dced in a lake between two logs, and according to my teammate 2 people literally ran past me, and one ran over my head without noticing

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bg4vi7965xfl5o9/Hunt_ Showdown 2023-07-24 00-00-21.mp4?dl=0

the aftermath of said event^

[versed ravine]

I think DC'd players appear dead, maybe

[celest spindle]

there was a total of 3 teams there, theres no way they wouldnt've seen me in the lake

[celest spindle]

afaik for atleast the teammates you're crouched down on their screen

not sure about the enemy hunters tho

[versed ravine]

its not impossible, although for my case, it was the same 6* star players who: were very rude in voice chat, knew exactly where players were at, never missed, kept winning every match we had them in. So I think its safe to say there was nothing anyone could do with those, players who were "having a very good day" that day.

[keen oak]

Haha didnt have to look far. 2 days back

[celest spindle]

Honestly the empty games were so much better than this broken mmr matchmaking

Atleast that way we feel bored rather than agitated or aggressive/angry

[keen oak]

People are really overestimating the significance of those stars.

[celest spindle]

It doesnt even mattet cuz of the smurfers

[keen oak]

What is your region?

[versed ravine]

Unfortunately, US East and West

[keen oak]

Well bulk of the playerbase is EU

So it stands to reason you will get games like that because of brackets

Well we need more player and the problem will sort itself out xD

[versed ravine]

Ping is such a double edged sword. Idk if I'd like switching but idk, I heard EU people are nicer lol

[keen oak]

It is very chill in EU

One of the least toxic VC's I've ever experienced

Even if people banter is more for the lolz rather to actually insult anyone

[versed ravine]

I recently got insulted for using special ammo when they themselves were using dum dum lol

[hazy stump]

F#$#$ change the % of getting desalle.. . having 9 times in a row KIND OF SUCKS!

[versed ravine]

damn

speaking of spawns, idk if they gonna fix the 'teams spawning within each other' bug

had it happen to me once, I was alone but my teammate ended up alone with another team. same with another team next to me cuz they started fighting immediately

[keen oak]

Actually I dont get it why people hate on Desalle so much

It's alright

A wee bit too many choke points imo but its cool

[versed ravine]

its a nice place, but idk about getting it 9 times in a row tho lol

[keen oak]

Actually King Snake Mine and Lower Desalle are my favourite compounds

[hazy stump]

Desalle - can't see anyone due to all the trees/rocks, desync off crap, can go up one way of a rock hill but not the other - to many rocks ro remember which you can and can't, campers hiding in all the bushes and rocks... and getting it 9 times in a row or 90% of your day sucks

[keen oak]

And that estate thingy in the top right corner

[hazy stump]

crytek takes there sweet time to fix stuff like the lemat bug, trades, and spawning with another team.. i mean it took 5 years to be able to jump over a stick. they don't share the problems and what they are doing because it's more about DLC's and keeping money coming in.. they also don't address cheaters, reshade issues, config file in root directory to change stuff. but yep here i am 12k hours in still playing it 🙂

[keen oak]

12k

Yikes

Isnt that like a year and a half?

[hazy stump]

10 times in a row now for desalle.. arghhhh and ya roughly, lol

[versed ravine]

idk how they don't ban cheaters, I bet my left testi people would work minimum wage banning cheaters off their favorite game.

[keen oak]

Would be nice to be able to spectate potential cheaters footage like in CS

[versed ravine]

or like Overwatch, every little flick would be visible.

[hazy stump]

11 times in a row.. DAMN IT CRYTEK

[queen jungle]

@hexed rock @fresh ice @steel pecan @trail oasis Please add a more detailed description to your suggestion, explaining to others why they should support your idea.

@mental harbor Please move your post from #game-ideas to #feedback as that is the more appropriate channel.

[steel pecan]

Title:fanning price rework
Description: 8 trait points is alot for fanning especially if you consider the fact that levering is 4 trait points so to even it out I think fanning should be also 4 points or meet in the middle and do 6 points to even it out a bit

Oops wrong channel

[queen jungle]

[crystal plume]

They already explained the thought process behind fanning being more expensive which was that levering affects a handful of weapon (excluding variants) while fanning is more universal for single action pistols

[crystal nacelle]

That Kind of Edgecase Matchmaking is completely demotivational. I mean Hunt giveth,Hunt taketh i get that. But everytime i try to go in to a Match with a fresh mindset of "i can win that" i feel robbed of my time when i see that i did Not stand a Chance as a 1,14 KDA against 3+. I dont No how anyone can argue for those Kind of Matches. Also most of the time i get Matched against Higher Ranked Teams Like 5* and 5,5 Stars which feels Like those Trios have to get the better MM because they potentially get matched against worse Teams. I know in know Low Playerbase but playing the victims for them is mich more painful then letting them wait longer 😉

[crystal plume]

KDA is not fluid enough to be useful for matchmaking without being even more easily abusable than MMR

The more kills/deaths you have the slower it changes, so if someone doesn't care about their KD and absolutely tanks it, it will take ages for it to go back up

Meanwhile if someone tanks their MMR, since it's more fluid it will go back up faster

[crystal nacelle]

Of course pure KDA does Not work, but say a 20% (or so) Part of of the MMR Score should be determined by the KDA just to reflect this Players longterm Skill and not Just the shortterm influence of a good/Bad day or two because then It comes down to the Huge Skillgap in the 5* Range which causes those Problems and they get ranked against lowies. I personally do Not think i should have a 5* Rating in the First place but Hunts MMR Score Calculation thinks so. There should be a much bigger Gap to derank especially for rejected High KD 6*. And for Sure itcdoes Not Help that the 4* Range is only 150 Points instead of 250 or 300 Like 2,3 and 5*

[peak radish]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-omg-really-omg-omg-omg-omg-yes-omg-bts-gif-22941978

[crystal nacelle]

I'm Sure there is a Special Meme Channel for you my friend 😉 but this is not it

[hexed rock]

idk how much i can add to "weapon inspection animations"

i didnt wanna put unnecessary words just so it looks longer

weapon inspect animations are what it says on the tin

[queen jungle]

But why do you want this feature in Hunt? After all, every feature requires development resources and time to be made.

[light badge]

Do we have a breakdown on that somewhere or is that just a guess?

[hoary widget]

!roadmap

[rigid dust]

Any way to remove the event challenge gator trap?

[open carbon]

!plans

[marsh garden]

Some of the plans for the future of Hunt with references:

Servers are the number one priority to address in 2023 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=756
New map is in the works, will be a new biome - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2439
New boss this summer, a wild target outside of compounds - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=1285
Update to Cryengine 5.11, DX12 and current gen console support - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2292
New modes and custom lobbies are considered for 2024 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2506

[hoary widget]

ty

[shut hound]

man I love a match starting and when I get back after getting a drink it says "you have been banned" and im unable to reconnect to the match with my friends

alright I finally made it in after loading for 10 minutes

wait no, I loaded in, unable to move or do anything, now I got kicked out of the match again

how many years has this game been out and reconnecting to matches is literally impossible? Say what you will about tarkov and its stability and oprimization but at least Im able to load back in after 2-3 minutes

this whole thing started around 4:50, its now 5:09 and Im still trying to reconnect to the game

welp dont worry I finally got in after my team mates got wipped and I got rushed by a full stack so thanks for your stable game

5 years and you have trouble with the most basic server features like that

If im not lagging cause you can barely manage the player base then theres the chance I will get kicked and deal with this, you guys are so gun ho to add new content and cosmetics to the in game store than to optimize this game

no one wants to watch a desync'd, laggy, stuttery, and unbeginner friendly mess of a game on twitch or get into the game with such problems at $30 and thats not including the bundles with cosmetics either. Get this game to work proerly at least majority of the time and maybe youll continue getting more all time high player counts instead of trying to milk the community for over priced cosmetics like COD. after about a year and over 300 hours of play I want this game to just run better for once

[knotty ore]

@patent flower They've not done anything about flash since the previous nerf because its fine.

[patent flower]

No. It's not

[knotty ore]

If they nerf flash, and make it not useful, people will breach less than they already do.

Which makes games more boring

You can have teammates cover for you, it doesn't prevent you from running away, or shooting.

It doesn't prevent you from hearing

Its fine.

[patent flower]

I don't think it would change people breaching at all. People do it all the time without flash bombs

[knotty ore]

Yes, and they usually get shot in the face.

[karmic ivy]

That would not work either, then you could tank your K/D and get matches 20% lower than you should...

Can still be manipulated more than the ELO system.

[patent flower]

You shouldn't be completely blind for like 8 seconds when a flash bomb goes off BEHIND you

[karmic ivy]

its how you simulate being "stunned" in a game environment. You can't reproduce disorientation very easily, so we make up for it with its "game" equivelant... blindness.

[knotty ore]

A team of 4 stars can absolutely destroy a team of 6 stars by holding angles inside a building. Its that big of an advantage. You need flash to push people away from corner holding.

Its also not 8 seconds

Its 5, if you get full flashed. Drops off hard after to like 1s.

[patent flower]

Whats the difference when the person is on top of you in 3 seconds

[knotty ore]

Because you can run away. If you are new, I get it. But, at this point I remember most compounds well enough to just run back if I hear someone wind up a flash. Its not quiet at all.

So, if I get hit I just retreat

They can't run up on you

Full blind people have also one-tapped me with a shotgun. They just stood there and listened instead of freaking out.

I've died more times to flashing myself by accident than someone flashing and killing me. This is at 5-6* MMR too so they should be good.

[patent flower]

Yeah in your absolutely perfect fantasy scenario you can TRY to retreat, given you not only have cover to fall behind, and have a teammate to cover you, but that you happen to be running the way you think you are. But even then, nothing you're saying defends this atrocious mechanic. Somebody can severely handicap you without much effort or skill, with no real way of countering it, and yet you defend the handicapper. Doesn't make any sense and no flash mechanic in any other game, professionally competetive or otherwise, has ever worked like this.

[chilly nova]

really tired of dying behind cover after ages

it's crazy

whenever they say "oh, we'll just start it there and adjust it later" (like ping limit), you know that means they'll not change it for years

[karmic ivy]

I can't remember the last time it happend... Been a while. I think its only happend a handful of times in nearly two years. You sure you don't have something else going on? How often are we talking here?

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
@kep.chup#0
Man im totaly with you that we need that gun 💯

On the other side i think you want a bit too much. It would be completely fine for me if it was just the extended HS range.
All the other stats like body damage or rate of fire could stay subpar.

But a slower rof and affordable headclicker pistol niche needs to be filled.

Base pax but with like 110m HS range i would already be fine with

Give it HV and its perfect already. No damage buff or whatever

[stark fulcrum]

@proud narwhal my man, absolutely need that gun as well as pax double action. Both were period accurate guns

[proud narwhal]

as much as i WOULD be intrested in a double action, the scottfield has the spitfire, and I wanna differentiate the guns as much as possble

not an awful idea tho

[stark fulcrum]

Spitfire isn't double action

Just fires faster than the normal one, but I get what you're saying

[proud narwhal]

but it shoots fast xD'

[stark fulcrum]

Even so a bird heads grip double action pax would be muah

[proud narwhal]

for sure

[rotund obsidian]

@bright zealot holy fuck that screenshot, how is that even possible lmfao

[crystal plume]

By letting them res without killing the people ressing for whatever reason I guess

Redskull res is far from op, gonna be real and say that was more than likely down to them not using any of the "50" opportunities that they were given to make a move

[rotund obsidian]

i mean, i dunno about the '50' but for one person that's completely possible via boss banish plus a team of remedies

if the other people look like that too then idk what to say

homies just redskull reviving someone right infront of a window lmfao

[unborn dagger]

@sour viper You do realize removing a trait costs a point right(Goodluck trying to get doctor and fanning on a new character with how little there is of high costly perks)? You complaining about being meta and predictable is on the player entirely. Also are you really saying that they should've kept the P2W respec because people didn't want to waste their BBs?? That makes no sense.

[charred yoke]

I am wondering what just happened, i was in a match with one bounty being banished and all of a sudden i get the "you live to die another day" or whatever message in the middle of the game and show extracted. Why is the game doing this?

[frigid folio]

not to mention people with lots of hunt dollars could just buy a new hunter

until they got something they liked

this new system is no different just doesnt hurt peoples IRL banks or their hunt dollar banks really

[rotund obsidian]

maintenance

[flat sandal]

uhh, is the event half way done? Are we getting fixes perhaps?

rotjar will be permanent, right?

[crystal nacelle]

Maintenance. It is usually anounced via Timer in the Server Region Menue a few hours/day Prior.

[flat sandal]

not saying anything, just saying 😉

hold on to your butts ppl, it's on again 😄

[keen oak]

Pax should have HV instead of fmj imo

There's so many fmj options already and its what could distinguish pax from scotfield even more

Whilst Pax fmj is just a budget uppercut with worse sights and lower damage.

[verbal crane]

Yes. Makes for a nice pair with the scoped veterli's then, i'm surprised it doesn't have HV yet

[keen oak]

Although the sights part is a matter of pref

[keen oak]

I am not a fan of scopes tbh, but it would be nice to have a revolver with a quick bullet for less than 400$

[verbal crane]

It's a preference, but specially with the veterli RoF you need abit of a ammo buffer, like the Krag

[keen oak]

Now dont be out saying that or ammo economy will get even more of a nerf

And we will all sit in the bushes counting bullets all day

But in general I don't feel like Pax is worth its price tbh. I am better off with Scot Spitfire or Swift for most of my loadouts.

Pax got left behind in the dirt.

It could use a new variant and HV as well. Uppercut/Matt will still be better anyways.

[lusty fog]

There is no names showing for who killed you in game anymore.

[open carbon]

They removed wildcards and put it all in the standard contract

That's not in the patch notes though

[flat sandal]

yeah i was wondering about that as well

a lot of ppl did ask for that

[vocal bluff]

more people leave Night Maps , Let's GO

[raw olive]

Very bad idea to put all contracts to one. I personally will spend more time exiting games then playing. Let people choose to play what they like. I don't like night, heavy fog, this stupid rain because it stresses my eyes too much. It would ne really nice if you thinking thru before you take this steps

[queen jungle]

There will be more details on the change soon.

[keen oak]

We need more choices and not less

I would like to put day maps in 1 basket, fog and rain in basket 2 and night/serpent moon in basket 3 and for the love of God WE NEED INFERNO BACK

[little jackal]

and in that case the ability to check all 3

[keen oak]

Yikes

It would also be nice to be able to choose between 1 and 2 bounty maps

And I am unsure as to why we dont have that option available

[open carbon]

I get the point but that would also force anyone who doesn't like sniperbushwookies to play fog/rain/night while all the snipers have free reign on day maps... Not on my watch xD

[keen oak]

Force? Not really

[open carbon]

Are you saying sniperbushwookies choose night and fog maps?

[keen oak]

No I am saying that they are not that big of a deal to warrant putting every time of day in one basket

[little jackal]

imo having to deal with the conditions being out of your control is in spirit of the game. I don't like night, but I feel like it's cheating to just disable it. It's not a restaurant, you don't get to choose

[crystal nacelle]

@sand condor yeah of course Controller vs. Mouse/Keyboard on Console. Everybody would love that 😄 There ist a solution for you and it ist called PC.

[dire raven]

Will there be another update on FPS? My FPS drop massive after this hot fix.

Also i dont like rain map, why are you forcing people playing rain map?

[keen oak]

It's a video game and I want to play what suits my preferences and randomizing everything will only cause frustration among the community.

People like to have a choice and removing it entirely is not a wise move.

You wouldnt disable anything people just like different things and if they will have a craving for a different map they can CHOOSE to do so.

I for one dont mind any time of day but sometimes I feel like I want to play day or night more than the other.

[raw olive]

I am not sure what you taking about tbh. I have not met a single player like that in last 2 months

[dire raven]

anyone with fps issues?

[raw olive]

Did not notice because i keep exiting games my man ...

[open carbon]

Ok because my point is, as soon as there's the option, they will become a big deal.

[open carbon]

This

[keen oak]

There was an option before and they weren't... so

[open carbon]

Which option? When was that? I've been playing since 2019 and haven't ever seen an option to opt out of night or fog maps except for the recently reintroduced wild card contracts

[keen oak]

In fact I havent seen too many kd farmers in a while

I am talking about wildcards

[open carbon]

I'd say that's anecdotal evidence, since I've experienced the opposite, especially during the even when playing solos on standard. So we both have different experiences...

[open carbon]

Ah okay though you meant standard too

[keen oak]

I meant its good to have an option to choose between what you want to play

Period.

[raw olive]

Exactly. Too many options would hurt MM but having only day contract should exist no question about it

[open carbon]

I mean, the biggest argument the devs usually bring is splitting the player base. Even bigger games like Fortnite, BF, COD etc do it to prevent exasperatingly long queue times

[keen oak]

Splitting how

[open carbon]

I don't agree with that either

Splitting the base into "night only" and "Day only" players in addition to splitting duo/trios

It's conceivable but sth I'd actually care little about

[keen oak]

I like apples, you like oranges.

the division between fruit enjoyers is splitting us

[raw olive]

No one is splitting anything. I like one you like both, you can play what ever i can play only one.

[keen oak]

I was kidding btw

Unless you were replying to someone else bro

[queen jungle]

Bounty Hunt / Quickplay is one split and then you have duo / trio as the second and normal / wildcard as the third.

When it comes to matchmaking, the integration of contracts should help a lot to make matches fairer.

[open carbon]

People will now argue it would be fairer to offer them the options

[keen oak]

Whilst its an upside it is also a bandaid to a flawed system.

I was actually so happy when wildcards got introduced

Well, no longer

[raw olive]

I would find it fair if my eyes would not start to hurt after 5 minutes playing night time. I find my self in disadvantage every time. Sorry but i see no fair in this from my point of view.

[queen jungle]

That is certainly unfortunate for you.

[queen jungle]

Well there is no satisfying everybody

[keen oak]

XD

[open carbon]

As I said, even bigger games with much more massive player bases use this argument to consolidate play modes

Even Battlebit does it, no options whatsoever but to quit out of matches until you find a map and mode you like

[keen oak]

Games in general dont just remove map selection on a whim to bandaid bad matchmaking system

[open carbon]

Show me one game that doesn't

Even LoL removed Twisted Treeline because of that

And you can't argue the player base is too small to support both 3v3 and 5v5 there

[keen oak]

Twisted Treeline got removed because only a small % of the playerbase played it hardly had anything to do with matchmaking

Same with Dominion

Oh well time to get going

[lusty fog]

Spawns are broken as well. 2 games in a row where i spawned a trio within 75m of another team.

[fickle totem]

Well i like the map/condition randomness. Its the magic of the game.

Basically it forces you to adapt to various situations and same as irl, things dont always plays out in your favour.

[soft osprey]

dont sound like a good game if your spawning withing 25meters agianst someone the randomness isnt good if they can kill you before playing the game

[fickle totem]

Im talking about weather conditions and time of day

[raw olive]

Yeah. I was pleased when i saw the option i did not need to play the wildcard during this event. Was so pleased i bought the battle pass.

[queen jungle]

Or just play the map that you don't like tbh. Take on the challenge and try to prevail despite unfavourable conditions.

[rigid cave]

We have an ancient game that still care and update its localization files and then you have this game were people still has square names

[queen jungle]

Squares are fixable by installing the proper fontset on your copy of WIndows, thus enabling it to display the character.

[open carbon]

Yeah that's usually my stance too.. Just trying to state all arguments fairly

[rigid cave]

can you give me a guide or instruction? i saw it on one of the discussion but no instruction how to install it

[queen jungle]

I'm not too proficient either, sorry. Best guess is to google for instructions

[peak radish]

https://tenor.com/view/bitcoin-ligthning-satsback-rain-gif-26527820

[bright zealot]

or you know this team was a rat and all of them had concertina wire over every possible entrance.. like not just one... but every time we got rid of some, they put more down. it felt like they had endless concertina to put down.

[open carbon]

Would not call that broken, but definitely unfortunate if you're not the average spawn fight enjoyer. To me for example, the recent increases to team spawn distance on DeSalle made me just a little sad, haven't had a spawn fight at Pearl since

[lusty fog]

I enjoy spawn fights. It's getting a little ridiculous

[flat sandal]

feels good to die 😄 the last month really showed how important it is me thinks

[dusky tapir]

@steel pecan fanning is a very powerful perk for little to no loadout investment

Levering is a bit stricter since it only works with 2 or 3 slot options

[mint cedar]

Wtf is the deal with self revive? killed a ton of people they get up again and again even after I burn em?

how do I stop that shit?

[unique osprey]

in case you didnt know solos that have necro can self rez as long as they have health bars so in if they have all small bars + releantless you would need to kill them 6 times. Its not very balanced atm but it is what it is. I guess bring hell fire bombs or crossbow with fire ammo traps help some. They should not be able to stand up if you have burned then out completely

[mint cedar]

Ty bro

[unique osprey]

no prob there are a couple of other traits that buff solos so you might want to go through the trait list

[queen jungle]

@unique osprey it's an intended change, there will be more details soon

[unique osprey]

odd that it got left out of the patch note was under the impression they would stay seperate for the entire event. oh well thx for the info

I take that back it was in the original patch notes for the event we just weren't informed of a "schedule update" for the wild card. should be interesting to see what happens. already had 2 empty lobbies from people leaveing due to it being night lol

[queen jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-got-night-is-dark-full-of-terror-mellisandre-gif-5667283

[torpid crater]

no offence but since the new update game is like the most peace of dogpoop i have ever played since you force me to play rain every god damn time . yeah its nice and pretty but i cannot hear ANYTHING . let me play the god damn normal map

[queen jungle]

@brave ruin Please use this channel if you want to comment on posts made in #feedback . And remain respectful towards other users.

[brave ruin]

Then maybe you need to delete post with humiliation? No?

[brisk timber]

I think thats a good mindset.
But it would probably help if people could decide their loadout after loading into a match.

Why should somebody loading into a fog map with a sniper scope even try

Maybe people would be fine with night maps more if they could change their loadout

Its common practice in many fps

[queen jungle]

it has been stated several times over the years that the devs want loadout commitment. You take a certain gun, you have to commit to your loadout unless you exchange it for a world spawn or another hunter's gun.
If you take a scoped gun, you will always have the risk of ending up in an environment that doesn't quite fit it. It's a gamble and you can lessen the impact by taking an adequat secondary or have your teammate take a loadout that is better suited.

Same reason why you cannot take a single pistol out of a dual loadout

[flat sandal]

dunno why they would state such a thing^^

doesn'T even really make sense

[brisk timber]

Yea well - okay than.
Just like any sane hunter would plan their hunt ...not

[brisk timber]

Right?

[flat sandal]

I think that means more like, you don't pick up stuff like in other battle royal games

[brisk timber]

A hunter would know at which time of day he goes hunt and plan his equipment for that

[queen jungle]

https://youtu.be/7oz5jpdZWlw?t=2260

[brisk timber]

Half of the hunt is beeing prepared for the environment

[flat sandal]

oh trust you that they said that

[queen jungle]

Here's the commitment statement on dual loadout, they've made similar ones over time

[brisk timber]

Im not saying they didnt
But its questionable like many choices of the dev team

Reshade still isnt banned while any serious fps has it banned right away

[flat sandal]

also they are negating that with the wildcards so it's not set in stone

this dual wield stuff is also a bit funky. the argument is that it leads to a faster gameplay. Have you tried to pick up a certain weapon sometimes?^^ It ain't quick and down to luck a bit

it's easier to program like this for sure

[open carbon]

Just because some people don't like it, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. And it doesn't have to make sense anyway, it's a creative decision that's been reinforced time and time again.. Saying one doesn't want to go in prepared is not an argument, it's a choice one makes to their own detriment. That's just one's own fault. There will always be people that will and won't like it either way. Buying the game doesn't entitle anybody to have the game changed to how they like it and the devs just chose one direction that they deemed more appropriate or even because that's how the game should be

The devs want solo res to be like it is now, otherwise they wouldn't have introduced and kept it despite the constant backlash

Same with twice lootable ammo and loot crates etc, same with the choises of time of day, map, weather etc

[flat sandal]

and it should be that you don't know at all what you are running in to? you can with the wildcards though. when someone said something in a video doesn't mean it's gospel. Often devs also say how they did stuff for a totally great gameplay reason but in reality there are just restrictions the players shouldn't know about

[open carbon]

Yeah pretty much, it should be. Prepare for everything. Or accept the risks.

[flat sandal]

yes and leave the match if it doesn'T match

[queen jungle]

@lone comet Rain is in the contract, isn't it?

[open carbon]

It is

[flat sandal]

just why? doesn't make sense for the reason given

does make sense if you think that they didn't get around to implementing the choice after the lobby is full and for player base splitting reasons

why do you think they have been experimenting with this?

[open carbon]

Only when you ignore all the other reasons

[flat sandal]

being?

[open carbon]

In the end it's all a creative decision the devs make because they think it improves the game in a way that they like, absolutely up to their preference

[rocky stump]

https://youtu.be/LP4_81mW4f4 is this true?

[flat sandal]

it's just that not wanting to have players a choice because they should commit before they know the circumstances is weird

[flat sandal]

it's not though because there are restrictions. contracts existed at the beginning and had to be removed

[open carbon]

They still take inspiration from the players, but they don't decide stuff on the basis of what a group of players says

[queen jungle]

Some people have run tests themselves and while it's hard to say anything definitive yet, there seem to be some differences.

[flat sandal]

of course not

[rocky stump]

thanks

[open carbon]

I often compare it to composing music or writing poetry. When you write a tune, you can either try and make it as popular as possible and follow the logic the audience argues would be so much better, or you can produce music that expresses YOU and not what others want to hear. Taking inspiration from feedback and getting better on a technical level is never required, though some might appreciate it. But you don't do it because someone would appreciate it. You would do it because it helps you better achieve your vision. Provided it does help with that

If it doesn't though, you obviously will never do it except if you're a people pleaser or out for maximum profit

Which in turn is giving up on your creative vision

[flat sandal]

so noone should express their opinion here?

[open carbon]

That's not what I'm saying

I'm saying your arguments might be valid

[flat sandal]

but why are you saying it?

[open carbon]

But it doesn't matter if they are valid

Because you might be arguing against their vision

[flat sandal]

I'm also saying that it is not the vision

it hasnt been at the beginning and it is not now

since they started experimenting with contracts again

[open carbon]

Just because they do that doesn't mean their vision is any different. Exploring new options doesn't mean anything

[flat sandal]

I also think that it would be actually a weird thing to have as a vision fpr a game^^

okay one more time, there were cnotracts at the beginning

[open carbon]

Yeah and there was a time when it was co-op only, your point?

[flat sandal]

and they didn't get rid of them becasue they didnt want people to kknow where they are going

the point is, I don't think the deve don't want that choice

as they started experimenting when the player base grew enough

[open carbon]

Which choice? The ones you've been asking for?

And that double negative is really confusing me rn

[flat sandal]

I didn't ask for anything. the option to know what the weather and day night will be like

and choose the loadout

[open carbon]

You do think they do want that choice?

[carmine needle]

Except with the wildcards, you do have a reasonably good idea of what the map will be

[flat sandal]

yes

[carmine needle]

sure, right now it's just rain/night

[flat sandal]

exactly

[carmine needle]

But they've changed it. It hasn't stayed the same

[flat sandal]

also I think they want to know what the people want. or what is this experiment for?

[open carbon]

The choice of loadout after you see which map and weather etc you'll be getting? You think the devs want that? Just making sure I'm getting that right

[flat sandal]

having a vision is great but not adapting would be stupid

[open carbon]

Stupid because then some people would stop playing?

[flat sandal]

dude, originally you took a contract and you had info about it, day night and stuff

[open carbon]

Apply that train of thought to the opposite. Don't you think some people would stop playing if the changes are against their idea of what the game should be?

[flat sandal]

no it's just generally stupid

[open carbon]

Why?

Because some don't like it?

[flat sandal]

if you learn that the game could be doing better with certain changes but you don't implement them becasue, vision, that'd be stupid

[open carbon]

"Doing better"?

[flat sandal]

and being rigit is in general

yes becasue you collected data

[open carbon]

What do you mean by "doing better" though?

That's all very vague

[flat sandal]

making more money 😄

ultimately

[carmine needle]

What data? did they release the results of their questionair already?

[flat sandal]

no but they constantly collect data

[open carbon]

And if that's not the only goal? That's what I've been saying the entire time, maybe "maximum profit" isn't the goal

[flat sandal]

and the game changes a lot so they can analyse all that

and infere what would be a good way forward

[open carbon]

Maybe they don't want to cater to the masses

Because then we would get Wild West CoD

[flat sandal]

yeah that'S fine too, still have to survive

obviously you also have to know what your niche is

[open carbon]

Yeah and afaik the niche is "make the player feel like the game hates them"

[flat sandal]

I hope not

[carmine needle]

I prefer not being able to change my loadout. Because in reality, my hunter would have to trek from the location they were staying, with the weapons they prefer/chose, to the bounty location, and if it took me long and it's night/day/fog/rain, so be it. If i don't like it, i can turn around and leave.

sure, it's annoying bringing a sniper and it's foggy. but so be it. they didnt have weather channel

[flat sandal]

so you find that more realistic then actually being capable? 😄

[carmine needle]

capable?

I do in fact find that more realistic.

[flat sandal]

to anticipate the weather and maybe not travel with just one loadout as well

[open carbon]

Arguing with "realism"... Yeah no, it's not about realism

[carmine needle]

I'm arguing that I prefer the way it is. the roll of the dice

[flat sandal]

but ppl make that argument for "no choice" a lot

[carmine needle]

I have to work with what I have

[open carbon]

Not disagreeing, just saying that the realism argument doesn't work because the game is obviously not realistic

[carmine needle]

True, but you've got the "thats what the game dvs want" aspect on lock

🙂

[open carbon]

Yep because that's what matters in the end

[carmine needle]

Now, they are working on other game modes

[flat sandal]

I would like to see a survey for that. I doubt that most people wouldn't like to be able to choose the loadout properly rather then just hoping

[carmine needle]

so maybe that'll be one eventually

Part of it is also... filling servers.

[open carbon]

And I'm saying in the end, what most people want doesn't matter

[flat sandal]

just putting it out there

[open carbon]

Because then, again, you'd end up with wild west CoD

[carmine needle]

Eh, in a live service, it does to a degree. I just don't think it's as critical of something folks have issue with to warrent changing it

[flat sandal]

to just say it does not matter is just false though

we didn't have these dicussions here when nightmaps were split off

[carmine needle]

keep the normal bounty as is- I'd love to see the rain map dropped in, as well as the night maps. Have the wildcard, with random maps/modes/etc. and then have custom servers, where you can select EXACTLY what you want, with the understanding you may be waiting longer to get in

[flat sandal]

the player base apparently has to be massive to provide everyone with a good experience

[open carbon]

It doesn't if you want to prioritise profit, and my point just is that it's not up to democratic decision what makes it into the game and what doesn't

[flat sandal]

do you say that to everyone discussion something here though?

that's what I don't get

[open carbon]

"everyone" 🙈 Can't be for everyone, ever

[carmine needle]

I think there is a good middle ground, and to my understanding, they are adding in a feature in the future that is going to be this exact thing

[flat sandal]

?

[open carbon]

Pretty much yeah, I'm not saying it straight out every time, but I make a point of arguing with that in mind

[carmine needle]

Custom servers. I'd love an actual roadmap of what they want to add though

[flat sandal]

just a bit uncalled for is all 😄

[open carbon]

I'm also for custom servers, having some custom matches with friends only every once in a while would be fun

[flat sandal]

also then, the status quo is not the vision I don't think

yeah but it's against the devs vision so... :p

[open carbon]

I also think it's inappropriate to argue with the "majority wants it that way"

[flat sandal]

those are to general statements for me. sometimes it is sometimes it isn't. to voice ones opinion here is never really "inappropriate" though

aaaanyway

that ultimately the devs decide is obvious, doesn't need mentioning.

[carmine needle]

I do hope they go forth with the custom servers. I think they'd help with some of the folks who don't like specific maps, or want to run a loadout on a specific map. Not sure how you'd balance it and still keep servers kinda full, since if I did want a fog map, odds are i'd be waiting a while for others of my rank to fill it, but I'd be pissy to get tossed against 6*s and get wiped across the map. I'm sure they'll also have limited resources in terms of supplies/weapons/money so folks don't farm them as much... but idk. Still, be cool to have that be selectable. Shall see what they end up doing tho

[ripe basalt]

FYI team, we've updated our #feedback rules and guidelines as can be seen here: #feedback message

[open carbon]

Never said that, just said it's inappropriate to use "the majority wants it that way" as an argument for or against anything. So any time someone tries to use it, I'll try and make clear that it's not a democracy. Someone has to play devil's advocate for both sides of an argument

[flat sandal]

I think it is appropriate, depends on the issue at hand. Doesn't mean I think it has to or can happen any time soon. If they implement something and literelly everyone hate it. It would be a pretty good argument 😄

Not even sure I or anyone made that point^^

[open carbon]

"literally everyone" and "majority" are two drastically different things though

[flat sandal]

Extreme example to illustrate a point

[open carbon]

And there's tons of examples here and in #suggestions that use that argument all the time, not you specifically

[flat sandal]

Ppl talk shit here all the time. Still it can be valid

[woeful shard]

way to much stupid rain, its either night, fog or rain in 80% of my games. thats not fun at all and takes away the specialty of these types of maps
being forced into close quaters loadouts even more isnt helping either

[open carbon]

I don't get the point then, because the difference between "everyone" dropping the game and just what, in the arguers PoV, is the "majority" is huge

[flat sandal]

It's like, you are right. Just do t stop there 😄

[open carbon]

One means the death of the game in the former case

The latter just means the players that don't like the changes will eventually go away (and stop whining )

[open carbon]

Help me out if I'm still not getting your point ^^

[flat sandal]

Not really making a point rn. Just reacting 😄

[open carbon]

Yeah but you semmed to see me going somewhere with what I said. Where was I going though? ^^

[flat sandal]

Not sure I follow

[open carbon]

Here.. "Don't stop there" implies the train of though isn't complete

And I'm not sure if I completed it right ^^

[flat sandal]

Oh yeah, never stop otherwise you end up dogmatic

[open carbon]

Ah

Hm

[flat sandal]

It wasn't aimed towards you in particular. You are making good points, just keep thinking. Sort of 😄

Idk, im on my phone and its bright:D

[open carbon]

It all reminds me of the easy mode debate to be completely honest. Whether it's map choice, nerfs to solo res, MMR fix, mimimi here, mimimi there...

I kind of feel exhausted to the point where I just want to tell people the game just isn't for them and they should go play Roblox or sth

[flat sandal]

If everyone can choose it gets harder

[open carbon]

It's not about easier or harder in Hunt's case... That's just what the type of arguments are like to me

It's people saying "I don't like this" and others saying "I like it" and in the end, no side matters because all we can do is give constructive ideas in hopes the devs like them. Which in turn makes us feel like we understand their vision

[flat sandal]

I can only speak for myself but I go here to nerd out genuinly try to come up with stuff that makes the game better and more successfzl

Well it does help to know what ppl think

[open carbon]

Aye I try to do the same but sometimes it gets to a meta-level because the argument is being pushed in that direction by either uninformed or insincere arguments

Like with the ping abuse thing

[flat sandal]

Urgh

That's just ppl venting after they lost

[open carbon]

If you ever hear people cry "fix ping abuse" it's because they don't know that it's not a thing and just believe what they heard somewhere

[open carbon]

Yeah, understandably. Though it's also a lot of cases where they seek the fault somewhere else than with themselves

[flat sandal]

The ppl who come here to vent, yes 😄

And its annoying but will never change. Its probs mostly you g games who still have to learn the basics 😄

[open carbon]

I play with people that have 1.5k+ hrs in the game and still lack basic self-efficacy

[unique osprey]

technically lag switching is ping abusing Apex had this problem for awhile. people would basically momentarily disrupt their internet connection so on their screen everything was normal but to everyone else they were teleporting everywhere. Not saying this is happening in hunt but ping is a funny thing

[open carbon]

Running into obvious shotgun ambushes and then complaining about the shotgun instead of their own tactics

[spark sluice]

im new player and i dont want to prestige becuise i wil lose all my money so think prestige is bad

[lament quail]

Supposedly prestige will get a rework at some point soon

[dense dome]

Prestiging isn't required, just a nice incentive to unlock skins without blood bonds.

[flat sandal]

That can be different but that's probs a bit much now

[spark sluice]

i hope it does

[open carbon]

Yeah in Hunt you got the best way you can go I think. Higher ping = higher disadvantage.. Client side hit reg + server side hit validation usually mitigates lag switches

[spark sluice]

stil i think its bad when a player loses so much stuff when they prestige only for some skin

[open carbon]

Yeah was one specific example of many, this one I hear at least once a day just from my teammates. Not counting all the instances on this discord or others

[dense dome]

Well that's the thing, you can still get the skins without prestiging.

[spark sluice]

real money

[dense dome]

No. You can get blood bonds without real money.

[open carbon]

That's a matter of perspective. Getting to 100 isn't that much effort once you did it two or three times.. Prestige, get a hunter to 50, play a few more matches, bam, blood line 100

A matter of a few hours

[unique osprey]

true but the perception is definitely frustrating sometimes such as dying behind a wall and it was not a wall bang. The result would have been the same had the ping been lower but high ping gives the illusion of unfairness especially during trades. how it is set up in hunt is fine but I think the ping limits could be lowered

[spark sluice]

you get 100 blood point for prestige?

[open carbon]

You referring to what I said? No I mean blood line rank

[dense dome]

You get blood bonds for accolades and completing challenges.

Also, you can do trials for blood bonds.

[unique osprey]

bb got removed from accolades

[spark sluice]

sry i dint unstand it when you said it

[dense dome]

Ahh, yes, sad day.

Challenges & Trials

[open carbon]

Just had exactly that last night. Was spectating my mate and they were trying to get behind cover. On their end, they already were in cover, but server side it still looked like they were in the open.. Another time today, my mate had the typcial "peekers advantage" situation where the enemy came around a corner and shot them while they only could see the barrel of the gun. Those two are typical examples of people crying "ping abuse" but it most likely was due to their ping being worse than the enemies. Because reality is, lower latencies gives you the advantage, not higher ones

[open carbon]

Only from accolades though. Challenges, trials, pouches, book of monsters/weapons, dark tribute.. All still give you free blood bonds

[unique osprey]

correct

[open carbon]

Not too bad, though accolades were potentially the biggest source for free BBs. People would be swimming in BBs if they hadn't taken that away together with the respec costs

Meaning nobody would buy them anymore

[unique osprey]

ngl never noticed I got bb from them oh well. I like the idea of getting some bb when hunters are retired at 25 or 50

[open carbon]

If they left it in

[open carbon]

Yeah at least after retiring doesn't get you anything at BL100

@empty hill "I won't buy anything from you anymore if you don't keep giving me more free stuff!"

@mighty nova was about to suggest exactly that myself, good I went through the suggestions before doing so :D

Slam Fire should obviously have increased recoil etc to balance it out but it would be a nice addition alongside Fanning and Levering

[mighty nova]

Yeah cause right now there's almost no reason to bring either weapon

[open carbon]

Not true :P

I bring the slate 50% of the times I play shotguns

[mighty nova]

I love the slate but I think I've only used the specter twice ever

[open carbon]

The other 50% are 40% Romero and 10% Terminus with Levering ^^

[dense dome]

Death Cheat, except at the cost of reduced XP, hunt dollars, and event points?

[open carbon]

I don't know what to think of the Specter. Even before the Slate was added, the Specter was just sus to me xD

[worthy knoll]

Wrong. You DONT get Blood Bonds for alocades anymore

[dense dome]

Appreciate you being the second person to clarify that.

[open carbon]

I want a single player spin-off of Hunt, and it should be just like Doom Eternal. Just in the 19th century Bayou xD

[ripe basalt]

Accolade rewards were removed

[hardy coral]

Specter and Slate are both balanced guns, they don't need a trait that'd basically be a straight upgrade. Terminus has levering since it's garbage without it and arguably still poor with it.

[open carbon]

Did you know, BBs for accolades were removed

[ripe basalt]

Removed BB's were accolades?

[open carbon]

True. It would be less OP if other weapons could make use of the perk

[open carbon]

Yesn't

I just love the idea of slam firing a shotgun... Would be really cool, and loud xD

[worthy knoll]

I am at the Gym i Just saw your message

[dense dome]

I wasn't being rude, I actually appreciated it.

[worthy knoll]

Okay cool. Didnt know this is the Internet after all

[carmine needle]

Slam fire makes sense. We have Levering and fanning. slam firing was a thing- I had to look it up for a hunt dnd campaign I created, as I homebrew added it in. Would need to be trialed, sure, but the fact it's missing and we have the other two is weird

[open carbon]

Best argument would be, like with the Bomb Lance, it's a trait for crazy mofos and should just as hard to play, more for meme's sake :D

[carmine needle]

crown and king is already an auto shotty... tho ngl not a big fan of it. do enjoy the term with levering. only bring specter if I've got quartermaster but not levering

[open carbon]

The Clown and Cringe should be easier to play than the slamfire shottie, I think, so it's not outclassed by the trait

[carmine needle]

Ha! Have never heard it called that. I can't stand it, have snagged it off some other hunters and didnt get the hype, prefer the term with levering by a mile

[open carbon]

Same, it's unreliable

Imo

[carmine needle]

was mostly saying there is two faster shotgun modes out there already... slamfire wouldn't be out of place

[open carbon]

But that's probably good, because if it was reliable, it would be way too OP and should be nerfed

[open carbon]

Or give us a single-action shotgun revolver we can use with Fanning xD

Man I'd love to try out all these ideas

I also want to see more people playing meme loadouts

Never ever encountered a team that was explosive ammo only, only ever played that with my teams

In 1.7k hours

[carmine needle]

ah, we've done that! call it the artillery build lol. The bomb lance frag ammo is my new fav thing

[open carbon]

Not once

[carmine needle]

the lads run xbows and uppercuts, and i bring my trusty lance

[open carbon]

Ever tried double Springy compact explosive?

[carmine needle]

Nah, I forget to reload...

so single load guns aren't my thing

[open carbon]

xD Or big Springy explosive with Uppercut Explosive

OR

Ironside explosive with Uppercut Explosive

Still gotta unlock that

[carmine needle]

lol. Maybe. Haven't messed with the ironside at all, should check it out

unlocked it, never messed with it

[open carbon]

You know what's weird?

Looking at the explosive damage of the Uppercut compared to Springy and Martini... Uppercut does half of it's base damage, and the others do close to full base damage

[carmine needle]

huh. never looked at it much. dont bring the uppercut often anymore

[open carbon]

I think that the Uppercut Explosive nerf was a sad day for us. But now we got more spare ammo for it, so I'm not complaining

[carmine needle]

ammo gud

[open carbon]

Uppercut Explosive was nerfed into oblivion, it was like with the rifles before, close to base damage, but seems it was "abused" a lot. I'd rather say "used" and "enjoyed" than "abused" though. But that wouldn't justify the nerf. Now, we got 9 spare shots instead of 3...

Which kinda makes up for it, because fanning with that beast is like an air strike

[carmine needle]

huh. should check that out, I still want to run 4x tool boxes with my crew and just... terrorize a bounty team

4x x3 lol

with packmule for extra spice

[open carbon]

I'd always take at least 1 concertina bomb and 3 tool boxes with pack mule, frontiersman and death traps

But yeah I get the appeal :D

[carmine needle]

Solid. my crew are... special... with traps

they are attracted to them

like bulls to flags

[open carbon]

But man. 4 toolboxes. You can lock up an entire compound with death traps that way

[carmine needle]

no matter how many pings i put down

or if I make them come look at the trap

10 sec leter

[open carbon]

Hehe

[carmine needle]

explosion oh hey

I found your trap

...

[open carbon]

Yeah we also always run into each other's traps

And my mates NEVER bring an antidote shot

And it always happens when there's no enemies left

[carmine needle]

true tho. I'm not a huge fan of trapping up the whole place, I'll throw concertina at a weak spot or to limit entry on a side, but I despise the teams that concertina every inch. I know it's a valid playstyle, but ugh.

[open carbon]

Yeah it's awful when it happens to you xD

[carmine needle]

But I do scatter stuff around the compound if i have it. be interesting to bring a bunch and set up a jigsaw maze

you can have the bounty... if you can make it

[open carbon]

Hehehe

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